You wouldn't know because the tg's are at half of the fall tournaments. The teams mentioned above are not a threat to other Long Island teams. I will definately give you YJ Rose. They are the ones to beat. There is extreme talent on that team. But, lacrosse still continues beyond YJ Rose. They are in a class by themselves as far as I am concerned. I watched other great teams play including Liberty and Elevate. I was shocked by the level of talent that I saw. I actually complimented two Elevate teams on the aggression and skill level that they have.