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Now that the first couple of teams have had their tryouts, who is making moves ,who has gotten better ,who gained, who lost

Same question for 2016.

Early still but it appears the BIG loser so far will be the Gladiators with at least 4 of there best players parting ways. The Turtles will have a few new faces with some familier ones moving on. Looks like 91 orange is adding a few new players also, a d-man from the express and possibly an attackman from the Turtles. True Blue has already landed a middie from 91 and fl$ also appears to have landed a player from the Turtles. After next weeks tryouts we will know much more.

With tryouts still going on and few commits yet, how can you even guess at this? Not all your info is accurate.I know several players who did the 91 and Express tryouts on Sunday. Depending on which team they get selected for (A Level) will decide who they suit up for come 2013.

Better check the batteries in your crystal ball.

Get your facts straight, 4 of the Gladiators best players did not leave.

91 adding another d-man is funny, who gets cut the kid from RVC the long stick middie the kid from Merrick. You know it won't be the Hills kid who is always out of position, or the other Hills Kid who never shows for practice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 adding another d-man is funny, who gets cut the kid from RVC the long stick middie the kid from Merrick. You know it won't be the Hills kid who is always out of position, or the other Hills Kid who never shows for practice.

They ARE adding another defenseman.

When the dust settles 91 and fl$ will be the two big winners this offseason.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Get your facts straight, 4 of the Gladiators best players did not leave.

The Gladiators best middie was at Express tryouts and hes going to the Turtles, dont know about the other kids. Gladiators are a good team, theyll be ok without him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 adding another d-man is funny, who gets cut the kid from RVC the long stick middie the kid from Merrick. You know it won't be the Hills kid who is always out of position, or the other Hills Kid who never shows for practice.

They ARE adding another defenseman.

When the dust settles 91 and fl$ will be the two big winners this offseason.

....and the only winning that matters is in season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Get your facts straight, 4 of the Gladiators best players did not leave.

The Gladiators best middie was at Express tryouts and hes going to the Turtles, dont know about the other kids. Gladiators are a good team, theyll be ok without him.

The tryout process for these clubs is not even over how can you make such a statement.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 adding another d-man is funny, who gets cut the kid from RVC the long stick middie the kid from Merrick. You know it won't be the Hills kid who is always out of position, or the other Hills Kid who never shows for practice.

Glad to see things haven't changed with this team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 adding another d-man is funny, who gets cut the kid from RVC the long stick middie the kid from Merrick. You know it won't be the Hills kid who is always out of position, or the other Hills Kid who never shows for practice.

Its North Merrick for your infomation. If you want to stir the sh.. go do it in your own backyard tryouts are not even over and invites haven't gone out so no one knows where anyone is going. Some of the players mentioned read these posts.

fl$ ??? Nice Team but can't beat any of the top Teams. I believe they lost to 91, Express Orange by a large margin and True Blue about 5 times. Probably the Galsdiators as well.

Gladiators lost two kids.

Outlaws tryouts looked good for this age.

Some express kids, a few 91's, a Gladiatior. They will be a much improved team this year.

What about that top middie from True Blue - coming back?

Is it true the express "sharks" are set? Is it the same players that went to the last tournament? Word is that team is done and the tryouts are for the other 2017 teams. Anyone know?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 adding another d-man is funny, who gets cut the kid from RVC the long stick middie the kid from Merrick. You know it won't be the Hills kid who is always out of position, or the other Hills Kid who never shows for practice.

Its North Merrick for your infomation. If you want to stir the sh.. go do it in your own backyard tryouts are not even over and invites haven't gone out so no one knows where anyone is going. Some of the players mentioned read these posts.

North South East West whatever not from Hills so tough break

Because they will not tell people they are on the team, kids like my son are not taking a chance ( Money Guy"s) and going to a team that the coaches really want him. My kid will not be going back to second try out. I could not be happier.

if your kid was good they would have told you already he is either on the bubble or slotted for blue.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 adding another d-man is funny, who gets cut the kid from RVC the long stick middie the kid from Merrick. You know it won't be the Hills kid who is always out of position, or the other Hills Kid who never shows for practice.

It is funny because was the problem with this team the D or was it not enough hourses at Middie and attack.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 adding another d-man is funny, who gets cut the kid from RVC the long stick middie the kid from Merrick. You know it won't be the Hills kid who is always out of position, or the other Hills Kid who never shows for practice.

It is funny because was the problem with this team the D or was it not enough hourses at Middie and attack.

This team had Problems? Really they were put together last October and played in 9 tournaments winning 6 and losing 2 in the finals. won over 60 games while losing only 4 and tied 1

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 adding another d-man is funny, who gets cut the kid from RVC the long stick middie the kid from Merrick. You know it won't be the Hills kid who is always out of position, or the other Hills Kid who never shows for practice.

Is it possible for an adult to have posted this? ......wow

Originally Posted by CageSage

This thread will be used for discussions, news, and analysis of the Boys 2017 graduation year programs during the Fall 2012/Spring 2013 seasonal year.

......and will also be used to actually attack young hard working kids. So many of the folks involved in all of these organizations are fantastic, as are their families. May we all have a great football season, and give the craziness a break. It is truly disturbing. "WE", as adults, should probably consider the feelings of the kids who were so shamefully described (quite specifically) as we would wish for "OUR" own. Rock on. Lead by example, rather than hiding behind anounimity (sp?)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Because they will not tell people they are on the team, kids like my son are not taking a chance ( Money Guy"s) and going to a team that the coaches really want him. My kid will not be going back to second try out. I could not be happier.

Sour grapes? Why would you be happy? Doesn't make sense. You went to the first try out, no? I am confused.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 adding another d-man is funny, who gets cut the kid from RVC the long stick middie the kid from Merrick. You know it won't be the Hills kid who is always out of position, or the other Hills Kid who never shows for practice.

It is funny because was the problem with this team the D or was it not enough hourses at Middie and attack.

You know, they never practiced more than once during the same week- it is what i am told by a team member- imagine.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 adding another d-man is funny, who gets cut the kid from RVC the long stick middie the kid from Merrick. You know it won't be the Hills kid who is always out of position, or the other Hills Kid who never shows for practice.

It is funny because was the problem with this team the D or was it not enough hourses at Middie and attack.

This team had Problems? Really they were put together last October and played in 9 tournaments winning 6 and losing 2 in the finals. won over 60 games while losing only 4 and tied 1

Good to see you are keeping stats, although you only need to beat 1 team in this age group to gauge your success. B

"only team" have more success this summer as compared to prior summers

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 adding another d-man is funny, who gets cut the kid from RVC the long stick middie the kid from Merrick. You know it won't be the Hills kid who is always out of position, or the other Hills Kid who never shows for practice.

It is funny because was the problem with this team the D or was it not enough hourses at Middie and attack.

This team had Problems? Really they were put together last October and played in 9 tournaments winning 6 and losing 2 in the finals. won over 60 games while losing only 4 and tied 1

Good to see you are keeping stats, although you only need to beat 1 team in this age group to gauge your success. B

Success is not Gauged on wins and loses, its gauged on weather you improve/get better. Did this team play better this past summer compared to the prior summer, I would think yes. Now did the "1 team"have more sucess this summer as opposed to prior summers ,I think not

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 adding another d-man is funny, who gets cut the kid from RVC the long stick middie the kid from Merrick. You know it won't be the Hills kid who is always out of position, or the other Hills Kid who never shows for practice.

It is funny because was the problem with this team the D or was it not enough hourses at Middie and attack.

This team had Problems? Really they were put together last October and played in 9 tournaments winning 6 and losing 2 in the finals. won over 60 games while losing only 4 and tied 1

Good to see you are keeping stats, although you only need to beat 1 team in this age group to gauge your success. B

A team can be successful without beating EVERY team out there. You seem surprisingly naiive for not expecting that!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 adding another d-man is funny, who gets cut the kid from RVC the long stick middie the kid from Merrick. You know it won't be the Hills kid who is always out of position, or the other Hills Kid who never shows for practice.

It is funny because was the problem with this team the D or was it not enough hourses at Middie and attack.

This team had Problems? Really they were put together last October and played in 9 tournaments winning 6 and losing 2 in the finals. won over 60 games while losing only 4 and tied 1

Good to see you are keeping stats, although you only need to beat 1 team in this age group to gauge your success. B

....also, by hiding behind the "B", were you so proud as to have thought that you had some indisputable parting shot?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 adding another d-man is funny, who gets cut the kid from RVC the long stick middie the kid from Merrick. You know it won't be the Hills kid who is always out of position, or the other Hills Kid who never shows for practice.

It is funny because was the problem with this team the D or was it not enough hourses at Middie and attack.

This team had Problems? Really they were put together last October and played in 9 tournaments winning 6 and losing 2 in the finals. won over 60 games while losing only 4 and tied 1

Good to see you are keeping stats, although you only need to beat 1 team in this age group to gauge your success. B

A team can be successful without beating EVERY team out there. You seem surprisingly naiive for not expecting that!

if someone is going to quote stats with wins and loses I think you open yourself up for judgement. given that if you can't beat the best team it doesn't matter how many wins you have.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 adding another d-man is funny, who gets cut the kid from RVC the long stick middie the kid from Merrick. You know it won't be the Hills kid who is always out of position, or the other Hills Kid who never shows for practice.

It is funny because was the problem with this team the D or was it not enough hourses at Middie and attack.

It is funny? The problem? It is funny (& a problem) that you do not know how to spell horses! Let it go people, there were no problems on this team. EVERY year kids move up, down, left, right. Try to make the right decisions for your child, enjoy watching them play & hopefully, in the end, they are happy right where they belong. Stop the hating!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 adding another d-man is funny, who gets cut the kid from RVC the long stick middie the kid from Merrick. You know it won't be the Hills kid who is always out of position, or the other Hills Kid who never shows for practice.

It is funny because was the problem with this team the D or was it not enough hourses at Middie and attack.

It is funny? The problem? It is funny (& a problem) that you do not know how to spell horses! Let it go people, there were no problems on this team. EVERY year kids move up, down, left, right. Try to make the right decisions for your child, enjoy watching them play & hopefully, in the end, they are happy right where they belong. Stop the hating!!!!!

I agree!! Kids move around all the time, Clubs always looking for the next best player so why shouldn't mom, dad & son do the same. Just watch them play, hope they get good coaching and are having some fun no matter what club they play for.

Well said! The hating comes from the parents on these blogs. My son played on Express Orange last year and when we finally faced Team 91 in a game, there was no hate from the kids nor the parents. Everyone watched a well played game by both teams with calm sidelines. Everyone truly just respected the game and a game well played. Let's keep in mind that these are boys that love the game and have friends on both teams and are just trying to get better at a game they love. Nothing more. We should be thankful that we have some great competition here on LI.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well said! The hating comes from the parents on these blogs. My son played on Express Orange last year and when we finally faced Team 91 in a game, there was no hate from the kids nor the parents. Everyone watched a well played game by both teams with calm sidelines. Everyone truly just respected the game and a game well played. Let's keep in mind that these are boys that love the game and have friends on both teams and are just trying to get better at a game they love. Nothing more. We should be thankful that we have some great competition here on LI.

I agree! Express Orange here also, I agree we played 91 in a great back & fourth game at Lehigh. All the boys & parents with much respect towards each other. Great game boy the than 7th graders this past summer. We came up 1 goal short but a great contest!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well said! The hating comes from the parents on these blogs. My son played on Express Orange last year and when we finally faced Team 91 in a game, there was no hate from the kids nor the parents. Everyone watched a well played game by both teams with calm sidelines. Everyone truly just respected the game and a game well played. Let's keep in mind that these are boys that love the game and have friends on both teams and are just trying to get better at a game they love. Nothing more. We should be thankful that we have some great competition here on LI.

Well said there were players on 91 who had played for the Express and players on the Express who had played for 91, and the thing was the kids couldn't care less who plays for who. They know who won and who lost but they do not care. The Parents are the only ones who are hung up on who won and lost and who is wearing what uniform

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well said! The hating comes from the parents on these blogs. My son played on Express Orange last year and when we finally faced Team 91 in a game, there was no hate from the kids nor the parents. Everyone watched a well played game by both teams with calm sidelines. Everyone truly just respected the game and a game well played. Let's keep in mind that these are boys that love the game and have friends on both teams and are just trying to get better at a game they love. Nothing more. We should be thankful that we have some great competition here on LI.

Well said there were players on 91 who had played for the Express and players on the Express who had played for 91, and the thing was the kids couldn't care less who plays for who. They know who won and who lost but they do not care. The Parents are the only ones who are hung up on who won and lost and who is wearing what uniform

Good chat. One additional point to make, research your children's Facebook activity / friends list. My boy has members of 5 or 6 loccal organizations. He could probably "chill" with any and all of them, until outside influenced by a chippy sideline.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 adding another d-man is funny, who gets cut the kid from RVC the long stick middie the kid from Merrick. You know it won't be the Hills kid who is always out of position, or the other Hills Kid who never shows for practice.

It is funny because was the problem with this team the D or was it not enough hourses at Middie and attack.

This team had Problems? Really they were put together last October and played in 9 tournaments winning 6 and losing 2 in the finals. won over 60 games while losing only 4 and tied 1

Good to see you are keeping stats, although you only need to beat 1 team in this age group to gauge your success. B

A team can be successful without beating EVERY team out there. You seem surprisingly naiive for not expecting that!

if someone is going to quote stats with wins and loses I think you open yourself up for judgement. given that if you can't beat the best team it doesn't matter how many wins you have.

That is the most unreasonable statement in some time. "...if you can't beat the best team it doesn't matter how many wins you have." No need to expound on that!
Things that make you go, "hmmmm..."

Can you imagine this.... In a very talented age division as the one we speak of, meeting up once per week, or maybe monthly, with another club from the area at a local field? Kids play some live play, coaches can stop to instruct, $4 or $5 per kid for pizza, parents not permitted (because they CLAIM that they are "all about the kids", but ruin most situations). If the developement is key, who cares if the Turtles win most? They probably would, at first. I'd "high-five" 'em. Problem here is the EGO!
Nahhh- forget that! Let's go to Maryland to slaughter some Massachusettes kids. That's probably better for the sport.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can you imagine this.... In a very talented age division as the one we speak of, meeting up once per week, or maybe monthly, with another club from the area at a local field? Kids play some live play, coaches can stop to instruct, $4 or $5 per kid for pizza, parents not permitted (because they CLAIM that they are "all about the kids", but ruin most situations). If the developement is key, who cares if the Turtles win most? They probably would, at first. I'd "high-five" 'em. Problem here is the EGO!
Nahhh- forget that! Let's go to Maryland to slaughter some Massachusettes kids. That's probably better for the sport.

True Blue and Gladiators did just that last spring. Lax and some pizza. Played later in summer at Tri-lax (TB won) but there was, IMHO, a mutual respect between players and parents.

As stated earlier 91 Orange with big changes, at least 6 new faces this coming season. Not a lot loyalty here at least 5 players dropped to the White "B" squad. Same thing as last year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As stated earlier 91 Orange with big changes, at least 6 new faces this coming season. Not a lot loyalty here at least 5 players dropped to the White "B" squad. Same thing as last year

Check your facts...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As stated earlier 91 Orange with big changes, at least 6 new faces this coming season. Not a lot loyalty here at least 5 players dropped to the White "B" squad. Same thing as last year

Wait a minute...keep your team intact & then you're on here claiming the tryout is a scam. Move players to a spot they deserve and you're on here claiming disloyalty. Sounds as if you're "anti 91", best stick to your own threads.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As stated earlier 91 Orange with big changes, at least 6 new faces this coming season. Not a lot loyalty here at least 5 players dropped to the White "B" squad. Same thing as last year

Wait a minute...keep your team intact & then you're on here claiming the tryout is a scam. Move players to a spot they deserve and you're on here claiming disloyalty. Sounds as if you're "anti 91", best stick to your own threads.

Well stated. Does one need to even think before posting? ....guess not!

REALLY !!!! $2400 LOL

This should be a fun year.

Express
Outlaws
91
True Blue
Gladiators

This will be the main 5 on the island I believe, Express might have dropped off with losing a few piranha kids. Outlaws are rumored to have added 6 new kids, all very good. 91 also seems like they might be the team to beat and they added a lot.

Have not heard a lot about the last 2, but they were very good last year and deserve to be in the talk as well, as long as they did not lose a lot.

What do you all think?

Does anyone know if there are any winter or spring leagues for this age group? We can't make the summer league commitment just yet but my son would like to play more and get better. Or are there any fall clinics or leagues that are not filled up yet?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know if there are any winter or spring leagues for this age group? We can't make the summer league commitment just yet but my son would like to play more and get better. Or are there any fall clinics or leagues that are not filled up yet?

If you look on the right side of your display, you will see BOTC's Winter 2013 Events content island. There, three programs are offering Winter Leagues from which you can choose. Contact any one of these programs to inquire about registering a team or offering to have single pick-up players connected with a team that might be short.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This should be a fun year.

Express
Outlaws
91
True Blue
Gladiators

This will be the main 5 on the island I believe, Express might have dropped off with losing a few piranha kids. Outlaws are rumored to have added 6 new kids, all very good. 91 also seems like they might be the team to beat and they added a lot.

Have not heard a lot about the last 2, but they were very good last year and deserve to be in the talk as well, as long as they did not lose a lot.

What do you all think?

We are a fl$ family but our son trained with express a few ties in the summer with Channechuk team. watch this new team he built in 8th grade div. extremely powerful cluster of players. my nephew is with them now its called Express Terps

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This should be a fun year.

Express
Outlaws
91
True Blue
Gladiators

This will be the main 5 on the island I believe, Express might have dropped off with losing a few piranha kids. Outlaws are rumored to have added 6 new kids, all very good. 91 also seems like they might be the team to beat and they added a lot.

Have not heard a lot about the last 2, but they were very good last year and deserve to be in the talk as well, as long as they did not lose a lot.

What do you all think?

This age group is very talented and all the teams above will be very competitive. Looking forward to spring and summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This should be a fun year.

Express
Outlaws
91
True Blue
Gladiators

This will be the main 5 on the island I believe, Express might have dropped off with losing a few piranha kids. Outlaws are rumored to have added 6 new kids, all very good. 91 also seems like they might be the team to beat and they added a lot.

Have not heard a lot about the last 2, but they were very good last year and deserve to be in the talk as well, as long as they did not lose a lot.

What do you all think?

I would think you would have to add the Jesters to that mix. Got a bunch of the Pianha kids and some talent from last years Jesters team. They should be competitive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This should be a fun year.

Express
Outlaws
91
True Blue
Gladiators

This will be the main 5 on the island I believe, Express might have dropped off with losing a few piranha kids. Outlaws are rumored to have added 6 new kids, all very good. 91 also seems like they might be the team to beat and they added a lot.

Have not heard a lot about the last 2, but they were very good last year and deserve to be in the talk as well, as long as they did not lose a lot.

What do you all think?

You don't know about the last 2 and you are going to rate 5 teams? I am not taking you to Vegas.

Give it a little time and see where players end up.

You mention the Piranhas kids, do you know where they are? Do some more research

You are close, but there are more players in this game.

At this age group who are the stronger goalies? The two Turtles goalies are amazing, but so are most of their players. Suggestions?

Nobody cares turtle dad... stroke the little turtle shirt your kid got you....We will see where they all end up in a few years !!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This should be a fun year.

Express
Outlaws
91
True Blue
Gladiators

This will be the main 5 on the island I believe, Express might have dropped off with losing a few piranha kids. Outlaws are rumored to have added 6 new kids, all very good. 91 also seems like they might be the team to beat and they added a lot.

Have not heard a lot about the last 2, but they were very good last year and deserve to be in the talk as well, as long as they did not lose a lot.

What do you all think?

You don't know about the last 2 and you are going to rate 5 teams? I am not taking you to Vegas.

Give it a little time and see where players end up.

You mention the Piranhas kids, do you know where they are? Do some more research

You are close, but there are more players in this game.

Most of the Piranha kids ended up with the Jesters top team. One or two went with 91. I believe there are 4 former Piranhas on Express Orange and the rest on Express blue which is being called the Piranhas,

Don't sleep on FlLG either, they improved as well.

The competition will be intense, outside the Turtles I think everyone else should be pretty competitive,

Good luck to all in the fall seasons and their new teams.

Lol. Not a Turtle dad just giving credit where its due. Looking to see how the kids in net stack up. Clearly some have better skills than others.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody cares turtle dad... stroke the little turtle shirt your kid got you....We will see where they all end up in a few years !!

thank goodness you showed up, i was concerned this conversation was going to stay positive. keep up the hating!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can you imagine this.... In a very talented age division as the one we speak of, meeting up once per week, or maybe monthly, with another club from the area at a local field? Kids play some live play, coaches can stop to instruct, $4 or $5 per kid for pizza, parents not permitted (because they CLAIM that they are "all about the kids", but ruin most situations). If the developement is key, who cares if the Turtles win most? They probably would, at first. I'd "high-five" 'em. Problem here is the EGO!
Nahhh- forget that! Let's go to Maryland to slaughter some Massachusettes kids. That's probably better for the sport.

True Blue and Gladiators did just that last spring. Lax and some pizza. Played later in summer at Tri-lax (TB won) but there was, IMHO, a mutual respect between players and parents.

Blue did it once (and lost to Gladiators, ensuring that this would not occur again). I was suggesting the improbable; a weekly or bi-weekly set up involving 4 or 5 teams that would break through the stigma of ONE simple "loss", by one team or another. Just sharing a positive concept.

was at the trueblue 2017 tryout yesterday, lots of kids

How many? Over 100?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many? Over 100?

Heard it was around 80 kids. They supposedly are looking for only 2 or 3 kids and might be creating a 2nd team

They already stated that there will be 2 teams for this age group.
It was closer to 100 kids there yesterday for 8th grade.
The "A" team will have more than 2 or 3 new players.

Reminder for everyone. The Gladiators tryouts will be held on Saturday, September 29 at 2pm at Stonybrook University.

lots of kids and parent's that don't want to spend 2,400 dollars.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lots of kids and parent's that don't want to spend 2,400 dollars.

I agree $2400 is a lot to spend, but it does include 3 fall tournaments and practices.

Lot of talented kids were there..The word is there will be 2 solid teams at this age group..Was very well run with nice turnout.

Anybody know anything about the Westchester Predators? They are based out of Rye area. Was at their tryouts this weekend and saw a couple kids were there wearing Express helmets.

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few questions...
what town's are these top 5 8 th grade travel teams kids from ?
is the express teams made up of kids who will be future ST.A or flyer students/ players ??
has the outlaws and team 91 keep their core players together over the last few years?

so, has true blue and gladiators keep majority of players from 2 towns? or has it changed its direction..

The Gladiators will be having tryouts this Ssturday September 29, 2 pm at Stonybrook university. The team will be adding players from outside the Smithtown,Ward Mellville area. Please see the website for more details.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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few questions...
what town's are these top 5 8 th grade travel teams kids from ?
is the express teams made up of kids who will be future ST.A or flyer students/ players ??
has the outlaws and team 91 keep their core players together over the last few years?

so, has true blue and gladiators keep majority of players from 2 towns? or has it changed its direction..

Answers:

The "top 5 teams" have kids from all over LI

Alot of ppl feel that if you plan to go to Catholic HS, Express is the way to go

Outlaws & 91 both had open tryouts, from what is written on here, there were a lot of changes

TB was not from 2 specific towns & Gladiators has answered your question in the post below (or above)

Just one persons opinion. Hope this helps.

Thank you ,
from future travel lacrosse parent.my oldest is in the 5 th grade so waiting till next year.Still, doing town PAL PROGRAM.Thank you for the info.This whole travel decision is like buying a new car .... haha th u again

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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few questions...
what town's are these top 5 8 th grade travel teams kids from ?
is the express teams made up of kids who will be future ST.A or flyer students/ players ??
has the outlaws and team 91 keep their core players together over the last few years?

so, has true blue and gladiators keep majority of players from 2 towns? or has it changed its direction..

Answers:

The "top 5 teams" have kids from all over LI

Alot of ppl feel that if you plan to go to Catholic HS, Express is the way to go

Outlaws & 91 both had open tryouts, from what is written on here, there were a lot of changes

TB was not from 2 specific towns & Gladiators has answered your question in the post below (or above)

Just one persons opinion. Hope this helps.

When you base your opinion upon what is "written on here", that speaks volumes. It may disappoint you to hear that you did not just "wow" folks, by setting any records straight.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At this age group who are the stronger goalies? The two Turtles goalies are amazing, but so are most of their players. Suggestions?

Goalies who are excellent at a young age are rare. They must, however, be able to move also. The margin narrows regarding this, as so many kids come into their own. A goalie who cannot run, will be passed by as the feild gets more competetive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At this age group who are the stronger goalies? The two Turtles goalies are amazing, but so are most of their players. Suggestions?

Goalies who are excellent at a young age are rare. They must, however, be able to move also. The margin narrows regarding this, as so many kids come into their own. A goalie who cannot run, will be passed by as the feild gets more competetive.

I do not think this is entirely true. If a Goalie is really good with a great Outlet, there is not much of a need to run.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At this age group who are the stronger goalies? The two Turtles goalies are amazing, but so are most of their players. Suggestions?

Goalies who are excellent at a young age are rare. They must, however, be able to move also. The margin narrows regarding this, as so many kids come into their own. A goalie who cannot run, will be passed by as the feild gets more competetive.

I do not think this is entirely true. If a Goalie is really good with a great Outlet, there is not much of a need to run.

You've been "I.D.'d", Turtle goalie Dad!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At this age group who are the stronger goalies? The two Turtles goalies are amazing, but so are most of their players. Suggestions?

Goalies who are excellent at a young age are rare. They must, however, be able to move also. The margin narrows regarding this, as so many kids come into their own. A goalie who cannot run, will be passed by as the feild gets more competetive.

I do not think this is entirely true. If a Goalie is really good with a great Outlet, there is not much of a need to run.

Is it partially true? That's silly! If two athletes are of equal ball-stopping ability, the "natural all-around" player will take the ride.

Nobody cares Turtle dad. Be careful....JD might see that you are posting and cancell your little Turtle ticket. Remember if he will do it to someone else he will do it to you and then you will have to scrape your little Turtle sticker off your car.

I was chatting with the guy, you are attacking. Go away hater.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody cares Turtle dad. Be careful....JD might see that you are posting and cancell your little Turtle ticket. Remember if he will do it to someone else he will do it to you and then you will have to scrape your little Turtle sticker off your car.

You need a hug!

So what tournaments will everyone be attending this fall?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thank you ,
from future travel lacrosse parent.my oldest is in the 5 th grade so waiting till next year.Still, doing town PAL PROGRAM.Thank you for the info.This whole travel decision is like buying a new car .... haha th u again

You are still planning on entering the travel lacrosse abyss after following these forums!? "You've been given a great gift, a chance to see what the world would be like if you played travel lacrosse." Just remember, once you cross over to travel, there is no going back. Best of luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thank you ,
from future travel lacrosse parent.my oldest is in the 5 th grade so waiting till next year.Still, doing town PAL PROGRAM.Thank you for the info.This whole travel decision is like buying a new car .... haha th u again

You are still planning on entering the travel lacrosse abyss after following these forums!? "You've been given a great gift, a chance to see what the world would be like if you played travel lacrosse." Just remember, once you cross over to travel, there is no going back. Best of luck.

Folks,
We are all aware that the travel lax gig is not as crazy as some of these posts. Most folks are enjoying an opportunity to be knuckle-heads from behind an anonymous pen. The chance to voice an opinion, throw an insult, or just make silly without a coach benching your kid obviously floats a boat or three. Gain your lax knowledge the old fashioned way, on the field, fieldside, or by chatting with folks whom you can identify. These strands seem to be fantastic for advertising tourney dates, but look at what other interesting things sneak in.

Stay busy!

Any Fall ball updates from the weekend for 2017? Gladiator, Jesters, fl$, 91?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any Fall ball updates from the weekend for 2017? Gladiator, Jesters, fl$, 91?

I am sure that that will not start a firestorm of immature cheapshots, with laundry lists of excuses as to why games were won and/ or lost!

91 A team was a good solid team.. watched them play up in a tournament yesterday. the game i watched was against a big 3village/ward melville 9th grade team. game tied 3 to 3 and both sides played well.

hitting was a bit much for the 91 team as their boys--other than one or two--were much smaller than the 3village kids.

i was a little disappointed with the complaining parents from team 91--actually it was just one guy or maybe two. kept screaming the whole time that his team was getting cheated. every time a kid fell, he was screaming like a lunatic. But, the kids played well and looked well coached. always one bad apple in the group embarrassing himself.

anyone know who one the championship? We left but was told that it was to be the same two teams--91 A 2017 against 3village 2016?

Express Terps won the Maryland tournament. The only competitive game at the Hofstra tournament was 91 Orange 6-4 win vs fl$ 2017. Jesters Black beat Gladiators sometime over the weekend.

91A vs jesters A no contest 91 11-1 with half a squad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91A vs jesters A no contest 91 11-1 with half a squad

and Jesters are new team with little chemistry in their first tournament together. Not one person expected Jesters to contend against 91 orange yesterday, or stated as such. Many of the families are friendly so relax. You make no point except to brag about an expected result.

Result of 8th grade division also expected result, did anyone brag.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91A vs jesters A no contest 91 11-1 with half a squad

First of all the final score was 6-1 as reported to the scores table after the game.

Secondly, the game was closer than the score would indicate. The Jesters had several opportunities to score point blank and the 91 Goalie stood on his head. 91 Orange capitalized on every mistake and every man up.

91 Orange is a very good team and they were a much better team than the Jesters yesterday. They have also been together for four years now, and IMO they are one of the best teams at the age group that you will see anywhere.

The Jesters are a new bunch of kids that were playing in their first tournament together.

Why did you feel the need to exaggerate the score? Did that make you feel better? It was a well played game and 91 was clearly the better team. Why can't we just leave at that?

Oh and the Jesters ended up winning the rest of their games and winning the tournament. The competition obviously wasn't as good because 91 Orange played in the JV bracket, but they won the tournament nonetheless.

Jesters 2017 Black will be a solid team, but they obviously are not at the level of 91 Orange as yet. If that is the wrong version of things please let me know what game you were watching , I'd like some of that stuff you were smoking.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91A vs jesters A no contest 91 11-1 with half a squad

First of all the final score was 6-1 as reported to the scores table after the game.

Secondly, the game was closer than the score would indicate. The Jesters had several opportunities to score point blank and the 91 Goalie stood on his head. 91 Orange capitalized on every mistake and every man up.

91 Orange is a very good team and they were a much better team than the Jesters yesterday. They have also been together for four years now, and IMO they are one of the best teams at the age group that you will see anywhere.

The Jesters are a new bunch of kids that were playing in their first tournament together.

Why did you feel the need to exaggerate the score? Did that make you feel better? It was a well played game and 91 was clearly the better team. Why can't we just leave at that?

Oh and the Jesters ended up winning the rest of their games and winning the tournament. The competition obviously wasn't as good because 91 Orange played in the JV bracket, but they won the tournament nonetheless.

Jesters 2017 Black will be a solid team, but they obviously are not at the level of 91 Orange as yet. If that is the wrong version of things please let me know what game you were watching , I'd like some of that stuff you were smoking.

lmmao !!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Express Terps won the Maryland tournament. The only competitive game at the Hofstra tournament was 91 Orange 6-4 win vs fl$ 2017. Jesters Black beat Gladiators sometime over the weekend.

My nephew is on Express Terps 2017, I heard they played in u15a in MD and were off the charts for their 1st tournament as a team. That Baltimore Breaker 15 year old team is for real and Terps beat them by 7 or 8 goals. This was their 1st tournament.

Originally Posted by LAXER DAD

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91A vs jesters A no contest 91 11-1 with half a squad

First of all the final score was 6-1 as reported to the scores table after the game.

Secondly, the game was closer than the score would indicate. The Jesters had several opportunities to score point blank and the 91 Goalie stood on his head. 91 Orange capitalized on every mistake and every man up.

91 Orange is a very good team and they were a much better team than the Jesters yesterday. They have also been together for four years now, and IMO they are one of the best teams at the age group that you will see anywhere.

The Jesters are a new bunch of kids that were playing in their first tournament together.

Why did you feel the need to exaggerate the score? Did that make you feel better? It was a well played game and 91 was clearly the better team. Why can't we just leave at that?

Oh and the Jesters ended up winning the rest of their games and winning the tournament. The competition obviously wasn't as good because 91 Orange played in the JV bracket, but they won the tournament nonetheless.

Jesters 2017 Black will be a solid team, but they obviously are not at the level of 91 Orange as yet. If that is the wrong version of things please let me know what game you were watching , I'd like some of that stuff you were smoking.

lmmao !!!!

What's so funny you didn't like this poster PROGNOSIS

Yea OK !!! Everyones uncle gets on here to talk about some fall tournament that means nothing. We are all impressed that your son's little turtle B team won a tournament. YIPEE !!!!!

Did one of the best kids on terps repeat 8th grade this year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yea OK !!! Everyones uncle gets on here to talk about some fall tournament that means nothing. We are all impressed that your son's little turtle B team won a tournament. YIPEE !!!!!

Not my son, they aren't so "little" and FAR from "B'. Maybe your nephew or your offspring will make a better team than this year, sorry for your envy & anger. Try yoga or de-Caf!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did one of the best kids on terps repeat 8th grade this year?

A few kids are 2008 birthdates, some by several months. FACT

Damn I wish I held my kid back, he is competitive now as a 99 birth year. Oh well....think of the possibilities.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did one of the best kids on terps repeat 8th grade this year?

intended 1998 birth year, yes FACT

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did one of the best kids on terps repeat 8th grade this year?

A few kids are 2008 birthdates, some by several months. FACT

Damn I wish I held my kid back, he is competitive now as a 99 birth year. Oh well....think of the possibilities.

Sorry- 1998 birth year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yea OK !!! Everyones uncle gets on here to talk about some fall tournament that means nothing. We are all impressed that your son's little turtle B team won a tournament. YIPEE !!!!!

I would LOVE to know what team your son is on, stay bitter!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Express Terps won the Maryland tournament. The only competitive game at the Hofstra tournament was 91 Orange 6-4 win vs fl$ 2017. Jesters Black beat Gladiators sometime over the weekend.

My nephew is on Express Terps 2017, I heard they played in u15a in MD and were off the charts for their 1st tournament as a team. That Baltimore Breaker 15 year old team is for real and Terps beat them by 7 or 8 goals. This was their 1st tournament.

"my nephew", "I heard", "off the charts", "for their 1st tournament" (& that was repeated twice), blah, blah, blah, same ole, same ole. Pathetic!!!! Let these kids be! There are some really great players out there, right now, on many different teams & in the next 3 years you are not going to believe who else becomes an increadible player! Why do you parents need to come on here beating your chests about your kids lacrosse team? Go tell your kid how great he is!

This team is ridiculously talented!!

Cant wait to see the Terps play the 2017 91 Orange, this would be a great game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cant wait to see the Terps play the 2017 91 Orange, this would be a great game.

Edge goes to terps, except if you remove the terps 1998 kids, then 91 orange.

Then you would have to remove them from both teams! And while you're at it, just discount them from all the 2017 teams! Then maybe you will get the type of opponent you like. FYI, hopefully you're kid doesn't aspire to play at the higher level d1 schools - because those are exactly who your son's competition will be! Best of luck!

Yes and by then he will have hair were it counts. Game on

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Then you would have to remove them from both teams! And while you're at it, just discount them from all the 2017 teams! Then maybe you will get the type of opponent you like. FYI, hopefully you're kid doesn't aspire to play at the higher level d1 schools - because those are exactly who your son's competition will be! Best of luck!

You do realize that the proposed match up and statement was "this years terps vs 91 orange." A comment about youth graduation year level lacrosse. We all know that beyond youth level ages combine. Great attempt at insight though, must have sounded impressive to you when you wrote it. You OK, need a hug.

My kid is more than fine, already playing beyond his year in a competitive program and grades to back himself up. Thanks for the well wishes.

What is the issue with a 1998 brithday for a 2017 kid? US Lacrosse definition of eligibility is clear - born on or after September 1st. BTW - I have no dog in the fight, in fact I live in NJ.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Then you would have to remove them from both teams! And while you're at it, just discount them from all the 2017 teams! Then maybe you will get the type of opponent you like. FYI, hopefully you're kid doesn't aspire to play at the higher level d1 schools - because those are exactly who your son's competition will be! Best of luck!

well said.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the issue with a 1998 brithday for a 2017 kid? US Lacrosse definition of eligibility is clear - born on or after September 1st. BTW - I have no dog in the fight, in fact I live in NJ.

The issue here is a kid who repeated a grade and is now playing on a 2017 team, when last year he was a 2016 player.

U15:
All players must be 14 years old or younger on the August 31st preceding competition. It is recommended that when multiple teams exist within a program, the program should consider physical size, skill, and maturity when organizing teams.

Right from the US Lacrosse website. We keep going over and over this.

With their current roster there are several kids on the Terps that will not be eligible for the U15 National Championships in 2014 according to US Lacrosse guidlines.

But whatever, good luck to them. Worry about your own kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Then you would have to remove them from both teams! And while you're at it, just discount them from all the 2017 teams! Then maybe you will get the type of opponent you like. FYI, hopefully you're kid doesn't aspire to play at the higher level d1 schools - because those are exactly who your son's competition will be! Best of luck!

well said.

Well said? Really? 8th grade & D1 lacrosse are 2 different animals. By college they kids are adults. @ 13-14 a year makes a huge difference. The orginal question was "did one of yor best players repeat 8th grade this year?" The birth year thing can go on for ever. We all know in NY our cutoff is 12/1, other states have a 9/1 cutoff. The question here, as I read it, is did a parent actually hold their child back for lacrosse?

Read the box at the bottom, they changed it. Straight from the site. "Born on or after 9/1/1996, eligible for U15

U15 Regional Championship
All current US Lacrosse members who meet the age requirements are eligible to compete in the U15 Regional Championship. Players may not be 15 years of age on or before August 31, 2011 to be eligible for the 2012 US Lacrosse U15 Regional Championship. Accordingly, players that turn 15 after August 31, 2011 are eligible. Regardless of age, players that have competed at the high school level are allowed to participate; however, if a player�s high school season is still in play at the time of the event, that player is not allowed to participate in the U15 Regional Championship.

In an attempt to reduce burnout and overuse injuries, the 2012 US Lacrosse Youth Rules will state that, while high school players may be eligible for U15 competition, they should not do so concurrently with or in the same season as playing on a high school team. Players who compete on a high school team during the spring season, but meet the age requirements for U15 play, can compete on a U15 summer team. US Lacrosse does not have the ability to monitor and/or enforce this rule, but will rely on local organizers to ensure that excessive demands are not being placed on their athletes.

Birthdate

Status

Born on or after 9/1/1996

Eligible for U15

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91A vs jesters A no contest 91 11-1 with half a squad

First of all the final score was 6-1 as reported to the scores table after the game.

Secondly, the game was closer than the score would indicate. The Jesters had several opportunities to score point blank and the 91 Goalie stood on his head. 91 Orange capitalized on every mistake and every man up.

91 Orange is a very good team and they were a much better team than the Jesters yesterday. They have also been together for four years now, and IMO they are one of the best teams at the age group that you will see anywhere.

The Jesters are a new bunch of kids that were playing in their first tournament together.

Why did you feel the need to exaggerate the score? Did that make you feel better? It was a well played game and 91 was clearly the better team. Why can't we just leave at that?

Oh and the Jesters ended up winning the rest of their games and winning the tournament. The competition obviously wasn't as good because 91 Orange played in the JV bracket, but they won the tournament nonetheless.

Jesters 2017 Black will be a solid team, but they obviously are not at the level of 91 Orange as yet. If that is the wrong version of things please let me know what game you were watching , I'd like some of that stuff you were smoking.

I do not have a kid on either team but do have friends with kids on both, I watched the first maybe 10 minutes while talking and at that point the score was about 5 maybe 6 nothing. Both friends thought the score ended 8 to 1, it did not seem to me that it was that close. Are the Jesters better then last year Absolutly, are they in the 91 orange level Absolutly not.

Thats just nuts, my son was born 10/1996 and is in 11th grade playing Varsity....

What are they thinking???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91A vs jesters A no contest 91 11-1 with half a squad

First of all the final score was 6-1 as reported to the scores table after the game.

Secondly, the game was closer than the score would indicate. The Jesters had several opportunities to score point blank and the 91 Goalie stood on his head. 91 Orange capitalized on every mistake and every man up.

91 Orange is a very good team and they were a much better team than the Jesters yesterday. They have also been together for four years now, and IMO they are one of the best teams at the age group that you will see anywhere.

The Jesters are a new bunch of kids that were playing in their first tournament together.

Why did you feel the need to exaggerate the score? Did that make you feel better? It was a well played game and 91 was clearly the better team. Why can't we just leave at that?

Oh and the Jesters ended up winning the rest of their games and winning the tournament. The competition obviously wasn't as good because 91 Orange played in the JV bracket, but they won the tournament nonetheless.

Jesters 2017 Black will be a solid team, but they obviously are not at the level of 91 Orange as yet. If that is the wrong version of things please let me know what game you were watching , I'd like some of that stuff you were smoking.

I do not have a kid on either team but do have friends with kids on both, I watched the first maybe 10 minutes while talking and at that point the score was about 5 maybe 6 nothing. Both friends thought the score ended 8 to 1, it did not seem to me that it was that close. Are the Jesters better then last year Absolutly, are they in the 91 orange level Absolutly not.

I guess reading comprehension is not a strength of yours. The post you quoted clearly stated that 91 Orange is a better team, The post also clearly stated that the score was 6-1 as confirmed at the scorers table. It was 2-0 after 10 minutes, so I dont know what game you were watching. The Jesters had numerous opportunities to score and the 91 Goalie made some incredible saves on point blank shots. This game easily could have been a goal or two closer.

Why you felt the need to comment on a game that you have no interest in and then comment on it inaccurately is curious to say the least.

Jesters are ok but not in the same class as 91. The only close game all weekend was vs a hand-picked fl$ team who ran a very short bench.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Jesters are ok but not in the same class as 91. The only close game all weekend was vs a hand-picked fl$ team who ran a very short bench.

Again, I dont think anyone on this board has stated that the Jesters are in the same class as 91. They are a bunch of kids from various teams who have just started playing together.

We get it 91 is good, blah, blah, blah

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Read the box at the bottom, they changed it. Straight from the site. "Born on or after 9/1/1996, eligible for U15

U15 Regional Championship
All current US Lacrosse members who meet the age requirements are eligible to compete in the U15 Regional Championship. Players may not be 15 years of age on or before August 31, 2011 to be eligible for the 2012 US Lacrosse U15 Regional Championship. Accordingly, players that turn 15 after August 31, 2011 are eligible. Regardless of age, players that have competed at the high school level are allowed to participate; however, if a player�s high school season is still in play at the time of the event, that player is not allowed to participate in the U15 Regional Championship.

In an attempt to reduce burnout and overuse injuries, the 2012 US Lacrosse Youth Rules will state that, while high school players may be eligible for U15 competition, they should not do so concurrently with or in the same season as playing on a high school team. Players who compete on a high school team during the spring season, but meet the age requirements for U15 play, can compete on a U15 summer team. US Lacrosse does not have the ability to monitor and/or enforce this rule, but will rely on local organizers to ensure that excessive demands are not being placed on their athletes.

Birthdate

Status

Born on or after 9/1/1996

Eligible for U15

Look at it again, doesnt say that anywhere. Post the link. Common sense, if a kid is born in Octbober 1996 he would be 16. I know my math must be rusty but 16 is not U-15 now is it. Read the previous post that was cut and pasted directly from the US Lacrosse website. I looked at the website and it doesnt say anything about 1996. Nice try though.

Express Terps have several kids that are on the older side of the guidelines. kids, Its not a debate, its a fact. That being said, good luck to them, worry about your own kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]91A vs jesters A no contest 91 11-1 with half a squad

First of all the final score was 6-1 as reported to the scores table after the game.

Secondly, the game was closer than the score would indicate. The Jesters had several opportunities to score point blank and the 91 Goalie stood on his head. 91 Orange capitalized on every mistake and every man up.

91 Orange is a very good team and they were a much better team than the Jesters yesterday. They have also been together for four years now, and IMO they are one of the best teams at the age group that you will see anywhere.

The Jesters are a new bunch of kids that were playing in their first tournament together.

Why did you feel the need to exaggerate the score? Did that make you feel better? It was a well played game and 91 was clearly the better team. Why can't we just leave at that?

Oh and the Jesters ended up winning the rest of their games and winning the tournament. The competition obviously wasn't as good because 91 Orange played in the JV bracket, but they won the tournament nonetheless.

Jesters 2017 Black will be a solid team, but they obviously are not at the level of 91 Orange as yet. If that is the wrong version of things please let me know what game you were watching , I'd like some of that stuff you were smoking.

I do not have a kid on either team but do have friends with kids on both, I watched the first maybe 10 minutes while talking and at that point the score was about 5 maybe 6 nothing. Both friends thought the score ended 8 to 1, it did not seem to me that it was that close. Are the Jesters better then last year Absolutly, are they in the 91 orange level Absolutly not. [/

I guess reading comprehension is not a strength of yours. The post you quoted clearly stated that 91 Orange is a better team, The post also clearly stated that the score was 6-1 as confirmed at the scorers table. It was 2-0 after 10 minutes, so I dont know what game you were watching. The Jesters had numerous opportunities to score and the 91 Goalie made some incredible saves on point blank shots. This game easily could have been a goal or two closer.

Why you felt the need to comment on a game that you have no interest in and then comment on it inaccurately is curious to say the least.

We were @ the same game & the score was definitely reflective of the game. 91's goalie did not have to "stand on his head" for any shot that was made & most opportunities the Jesters did have to shoot, they missed.

IDK why you feel to comment inaccurately. As you stated the Jesters are a group of players who just got put together on a team & they need some time to play together.

Here is the link to US lacrosse:

http://www.uslacrosse.org/TopNav2Right/Events/2012USLRegionalChampionships/AgeRequirement.aspx

Read the bottom box dummy, you are so persistent

The 1996 comment is correct. But that was for this past summer 2012. Next summer it will 1997 and 2013 and so on. In ny anyway, some of these kids, if they were born before dec 1 (when school cutoff is) and sept 1 when lax cutoff is, then lucky them! You people are getting worked up about nothing.

Here is another one for you know-it-all straight from the US Lacrosse website - link AND text just to make sure you get it:
(http://www.uslacrosse.org/TopNav2Right/Events/2013NortheastChampionships/RulesPlayerEligibility.aspx)

Events | 2013 Northeast Championships | Rules & Player Eligibility

Rules
Game rules will be posted as the event draws near.

Player Ages and Eligibility
All current US Lacrosse members who meet the age requirements below are eligible and welcome to compete in the 2013 US Lacrosse Northeast Championships.

Birthdate Status
Born on or after 9/1/2001 - Eligible for U11 Championship
Born on or after 9/1/1999 - Eligible for U13 Championship
Born on or after 9/1/1997 - Eligible for U15 Championship

In the U15 division, high school players meeting the age requirements are eligible to play, provided that the player�s high school season has finished by the June 21 start date of the US Lacrosse Northeast Championships. If a player�s high school team remains in competition at the time of the US Lacrosse event, that player is not eligible, in accordance with "US Lacrosse Youth Rules and Best Practices."

Proof of Age Submission
All players who wish to participate in the US Lacrosse Championships in the U11, U13, and U15 divisions are required to submit to US Lacrosse a copy of a proof of age document in order to be eligible to participate.

Acceptable proof of age documents:
� Birth Certificate
� Passport
� School ID (if date of birth is present on ID)
Proof of age documents should be faxed (410-889-0744) or e-mailed to Shannon Minter after the parent/legal guardian completes a player medical waiver.

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How did everyone do at skull and bones tournament today? Heard prime time and gladiators went to finals

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did everyone do at skull and bones tournament today? Heard prime time and gladiators went to finals

Gladiators won 8th grade
Express terps 3-0 in jv div (chmps)
Expess turtles 2-1 in jv div

Well done by terps and turtles as both are 8th (2017) grade teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 1996 comment is correct. But that was for this past summer 2012. Next summer it will 1997 and 2013 and so on. In ny anyway, some of these kids, if they were born before dec 1 (when school cutoff is) and sept 1 when lax cutoff is, then lucky them! You people are getting worked up about nothing.

The reality is that this is only a conversation because as many of us know several kids on several 2017 teams were born both before Dec 1 (NY school cutoff) and Sept 1 (US lacrosse cutoff). They in know way meet any age criteria for this age group and are playing a year down by every definition.

In another 1-2 years it will not matter as kids all move to high school programs with various age groups and they will even out physically. However, this is youth lacrosse and the difference in these 13-14 year olds developmentally is huge. Disagree? then just look at the known "early-mid" 1998 birthdate kids playing on 2017 teams(most of us know who they are), they are all more dominating in physical presence off and on the field. It would be the same as my 8th grade honors student-athlete taking 7th grade math, a complete joke.

Not getting worked up, just see it for what it is, an advantage. If this was me, I would have a hard time feeling so proud of any individual or team accomplishments.

Good luck see you on varsity field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 1996 comment is correct. But that was for this past summer 2012. Next summer it will 1997 and 2013 and so on. In ny anyway, some of these kids, if they were born before dec 1 (when school cutoff is) and sept 1 when lax cutoff is, then lucky them! You people are getting worked up about nothing.

The reality is that this is only a conversation because as many of us know several kids on several 2017 teams were born both before Dec 1 (NY school cutoff) and Sept 1 (US lacrosse cutoff). They in know way meet any age criteria for this age group and are playing a year down by every definition.

In another 1-2 years it will not matter as kids all move to high school programs with various age groups and they will even out physically. However, this is youth lacrosse and the difference in these 13-14 year olds developmentally is huge. Disagree? then just look at the known "early-mid" 1998 birthdate kids playing on 2017 teams(most of us know who they are), they are all more dominating in physical presence off and on the field. It would be the same as my 8th grade honors student-athlete taking 7th grade math, a complete joke.

Not getting worked up, just see it for what it is, an advantage. If this was me, I would have a hard time feeling so proud of any individual or team accomplishments.

Good luck see you on varsity field.

Maybe you are correct. We should probably feel ashamed of our success. My boy happens to be one of the youngest on his team, while appearing 3 years older. We shall hang our heads. That 3 or 6 month difference (which you rely upon as excuse for so many other shortcomings) is just that, an over utilized excuse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 1996 comment is correct. But that was for this past summer 2012. Next summer it will 1997 and 2013 and so on. In ny anyway, some of these kids, if they were born before dec 1 (when school cutoff is) and sept 1 when lax cutoff is, then lucky them! You people are getting worked up about nothing.

The reality is that this is only a conversation because as many of us know several kids on several 2017 teams were born both before Dec 1 (NY school cutoff) and Sept 1 (US lacrosse cutoff). They in know way meet any age criteria for this age group and are playing a year down by every definition.

In another 1-2 years it will not matter as kids all move to high school programs with various age groups and they will even out physically. However, this is youth lacrosse and the difference in these 13-14 year olds developmentally is huge. Disagree? then just look at the known "early-mid" 1998 birthdate kids playing on 2017 teams(most of us know who they are), they are all more dominating in physical presence off and on the field. It would be the same as my 8th grade honors student-athlete taking 7th grade math, a complete joke.

Not getting worked up, just see it for what it is, an advantage. If this was me, I would have a hard time feeling so proud of any individual or team accomplishments.

Good luck see you on varsity field.

Maybe you are correct. We should probably feel ashamed of our success. My boy happens to be one of the youngest on his team, while appearing 3 years older. We shall hang our heads. That 3 or 6 month difference (which you rely upon as excuse for so many other shortcomings) is just that, an over utilized excuse.

No one is asking you to feel ashamed of "your" success (although I believe it is the boys success)or hang "your" head. The point being made here is that there are boys with birthdates before 9/98 playing 2017 lacrosse. Parents cheating & holding children back to be a "Powerhouse" is actually happening. There will always be size differences @ young ages & there will always be kids a year apart playing with & against eachother but, when adults are making conscious decisions to hold their child back to play lacrosse, it becomes crazy!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 1996 comment is correct. But that was for this past summer 2012. Next summer it will 1997 and 2013 and so on. In ny anyway, some of these kids, if they were born before dec 1 (when school cutoff is) and sept 1 when lax cutoff is, then lucky them! You people are getting worked up about nothing.

The reality is that this is only a conversation because as many of us know several kids on several 2017 teams were born both before Dec 1 (NY school cutoff) and Sept 1 (US lacrosse cutoff). They in know way meet any age criteria for this age group and are playing a year down by every definition.

In another 1-2 years it will not matter as kids all move to high school programs with various age groups and they will even out physically. However, this is youth lacrosse and the difference in these 13-14 year olds developmentally is huge. Disagree? then just look at the known "early-mid" 1998 birthdate kids playing on 2017 teams(most of us know who they are), they are all more dominating in physical presence off and on the field. It would be the same as my 8th grade honors student-athlete taking 7th grade math, a complete joke.

Not getting worked up, just see it for what it is, an advantage. If this was me, I would have a hard time feeling so proud of any individual or team accomplishments.

Good luck see you on varsity field.

If you know who these kids and teams you should call them out on it and stop being a coward .If you do not know shut up and stop crying.

could not agree more

At the Fall Terrapin Classic, there are three 2016 LI Express teams: Baracuddas, Terps and Piranhas.

Is the Baracuddas a true 2016 team, and the Terps and Piranhas 2017 teams?

How are the 2017 teams doing in the lighthouse league?

How have these LI teams been doing? They are all pretty equal in skill but I'm wondering how they've been measuring up? Have they played each other this fall?
91
Team LI
Gladiators
True Blue
Express Terps
fl$

What age group are you asking about?

2017

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 1996 comment is correct. But that was for this past summer 2012. Next summer it will 1997 and 2013 and so on. In ny anyway, some of these kids, if they were born before dec 1 (when school cutoff is) and sept 1 when lax cutoff is, then lucky them! You people are getting worked up about nothing.

The reality is that this is only a conversation because as many of us know several kids on several 2017 teams were born both before Dec 1 (NY school cutoff) and Sept 1 (US lacrosse cutoff). They in know way meet any age criteria for this age group and are playing a year down by every definition.

In another 1-2 years it will not matter as kids all move to high school programs with various age groups and they will even out physically. However, this is youth lacrosse and the difference in these 13-14 year olds developmentally is huge. Disagree? then just look at the known "early-mid" 1998 birthdate kids playing on 2017 teams(most of us know who they are), they are all more dominating in physical presence off and on the field. It would be the same as my 8th grade honors student-athlete taking 7th grade math, a complete joke.

Not getting worked up, just see it for what it is, an advantage. If this was me, I would have a hard time feeling so proud of any individual or team accomplishments.

Good luck see you on varsity field.

If you know who these kids and teams you should call them out on it and stop being a coward .If you do not know shut up and stop crying.

Noones crying, simply stating facts, must have struck a nerve........

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How have these LI teams been doing? They are all pretty equal in skill but I'm wondering how they've been measuring up? Have they played each other this fall?
91
Team LI
Gladiators
True Blue
Express Terps
fl$

Havent seen True Blue yet this fall. Team LI doesnt usually surface until the spring/summer, not even sure they have a team at this age group anymore?

Express Terps have been doing tourneys in MD and PA, and are reportedly doing well playing tough competition.

fl$ lost to 91 Orange 6-4 in the Hofstra fall classic. fl$ is much improved it looks like and 91 Orange is strong as usual.

Gladiators won the Skull and Bones tourney.

Jesters black beat Gladiators in a lighthouse fall game and won the Halloween Havoc tourney.

Outlaws need to be included in this conversation as well.

Gonna be a fun spring/summer in the 2017 age group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How have these LI teams been doing? They are all pretty equal in skill but I'm wondering how they've been measuring up? Have they played each other this fall?
91
Team LI
Gladiators
True Blue
Express Terps
fl$

2017 Terps been playing & beating HS JV teams in "A" brackets in Maryland, NJ and PA. throughout the Fall. Playing at a different level. I watched them scrimmage this past weekend, big fast and very aggressive. Not to mention the coaches they have. I don't have a dog in the fight but ill tell those other squads, Good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How have these LI teams been doing? They are all pretty equal in skill but I'm wondering how they've been measuring up? Have they played each other this fall?
91
Team LI
Gladiators
True Blue
Express Terps
fl$

2017 Terps been playing & beating HS JV teams in "A" brackets in Maryland, NJ and PA. throughout the Fall. Playing at a different level. I watched them scrimmage this past weekend, big fast and very aggressive. Not to mention the coaches they have. I don't have a dog in the fight but ill tell those other squads, Good luck.

The old "I dont have a dog in the fight"...

Beating HS JV teams that are missing the football and soccer players that are playing on the weekends for their HS teams. Interesting..... patting oneself on the back when they dont have a dog in the fight. I wonder ??????

Amazing!!!!! No poster exclaiming how strong, great, fantastic, etc, ever has a "dog in the fight".

And since that is a term I would not use to describe my son, or any child for that matter, we can assume that poster is always the same.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Amazing!!!!! No poster exclaiming how strong, great, fantastic, etc, ever has a "dog in the fight".

And since that is a term I would not use to describe my son, or any child for that matter, we can assume that poster is always the same.

hahaha! So many detectives on this site, believe what u like. Best of luck!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Beating HS JV teams that are missing the football and soccer players that are playing on the weekends for their HS teams. Interesting..... patting oneself on the back when they dont have a dog in the fight. I wonder ??????

Stop making excuses. Missing players garbage, if u don't have your main guys than GET OFF THE FIELD or don't CRY when you lose.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Amazing!!!!! No poster exclaiming how strong, great, fantastic, etc, ever has a "dog in the fight".

And since that is a term I would not use to describe my son, or any child for that matter, we can assume that poster is always the same.

Dog in the fight is a pretty popular expression , sorry to ruin your hate party.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Amazing!!!!! No poster exclaiming how strong, great, fantastic, etc, ever has a "dog in the fight".

And since that is a term I would not use to describe my son, or any child for that matter, we can assume that poster is always the same.

Dog in the fight is a pretty popular expression , sorry to ruin your hate party.

Yes, among Michael Vick and Co.

From the context of the posts it should have been "I dont have a 2017 Terp in the fight".... So my detective skills tell me that a long lost uncle re-united with the family at a "who cares" lax tournament south of New Jersey somewhere and commented on the team here.........Priceless !!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Amazing!!!!! No poster exclaiming how strong, great, fantastic, etc, ever has a "dog in the fight".

And since that is a term I would not use to describe my son, or any child for that matter, we can assume that poster is always the same.

Dog in the fight is a pretty popular expression , sorry to ruin your hate party.

yes, very popular for a "Lax Daddy" who wants to beat his chest

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Amazing!!!!! No poster exclaiming how strong, great, fantastic, etc, ever has a "dog in the fight".

And since that is a term I would not use to describe my son, or any child for that matter, we can assume that poster is always the same.

Dog in the fight is a pretty popular expression , sorry to ruin your hate party.

yes, very popular for a "Lax Daddy" who wants to beat his chest

Or Uncle, which I guess would define a dog in the fight!

I have a cat in the fight......

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How have these LI teams been doing? They are all pretty equal in skill but I'm wondering how they've been measuring up? Have they played each other this fall?
91
Team LI
Gladiators
True Blue
Express Terps
fl$

Havent seen True Blue yet this fall. Team LI doesnt usually surface until the spring/summer, not even sure they have a team at this age group anymore?

Express Terps have been doing tourneys in MD and PA, and are reportedly doing well playing tough competition.

fl$ lost to 91 Orange 6-4 in the Hofstra fall classic. fl$ is much improved it looks like and 91 Orange is strong as usual.

Gladiators won the Skull and Bones tourney.

Jesters black beat Gladiators in a lighthouse fall game and won the Halloween Havoc tourney.

Outlaws need to be included in this conversation as well.

Gonna be a fun spring/summer in the 2017 age group.

Please don't try to rank just yet, folks. Last year some kooks really were way off on this site, obviously the kids need to gel, and finish their commitments with football and b-ball. Let's just hope that all of the tems selected can stick to their respective rosters through the winter/ spring/ summer venues. No borrowing cousins from other teams, etc.!

BRINE TRYOUTS from earlier today had the largest amount of talent I've ever seen at a tryout in one age group. Kudos to all the talented 2017 players from all the clubs & towns that competed today!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BRINE TRYOUTS from earlier today had the largest amount of talent I've ever seen at a tryout in one age group. Kudos to all the talented 2017 players from all the clubs & towns that competed today!

That is an under statement! My son is a big strong 2018 attack who can beat defenders his age much more often than not, he found it tough... Very high level of talent, size and speed. If they take the real 25 best kids, it should be an insane team. Not sure how any team from any part of the country could compete. If they can, then parity with LI lax has finally come...

Brine Middle School tryout results:

Insane Roster. Incredible talent. The very best Boys of 2017 that long Island has to offer. Going to be tough for other regions to match.

The 91 coaches kid is one of the top 2 lefty attack kids?please. The fix is in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 91 coaches kid is one of the top 2 lefty attack kids?please. The fix is in.

Sad that he didn't have the courtesy to recluse himself from the evaluating. They advertised no parent evaluators but i guess he couldn't help himself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 91 coaches kid is one of the top 2 lefty attack kids?please. The fix is in.

Sad that he didn't have the courtesy to recluse himself from the evaluating. They advertised no parent evaluators but i guess he couldn't help himself.

Maybe, just maybe, the fix was not "in" - perhaps the evaluator was not who you think it was. Think about it.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 91 coaches kid is one of the top 2 lefty attack kids?please. The fix is in.

Sad that he didn't have the courtesy to recluse himself from the evaluating. They advertised no parent evaluators but i guess he couldn't help himself.

Maybe, just maybe, the fix was not "in" - perhaps the evaluator was not who you think it was. Think about it.

Please! Unless someone else was out there masquerading as JM.

First there are 3 leftys not two. Secondly, if you think his son doesn't deserve this you certainly have not seen him play. And lastly, to take at cheap shot without putting a name to your accusation is just cowardly.

Several boys missing, good list but fix is in not just for 91 guys

Did you need to be invited or just show up

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Brine Middle School tryout results:

Insane Roster. Incredible talent. The very best Boys of 2017 that long Island has to offer. Going to be tough for other regions to match.

Not an "insane" roster. About 4 on call back list belong as redtape hurt those boys.NOT the family members, club favorites and not the WHOLE turtle team, thats a mistake. Best LI offers?? How do you know that? A few Trueblue kids belong also.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Brine Middle School tryout results:

Insane Roster. Incredible talent. The very best Boys of 2017 that long Island has to offer. Going to be tough for other regions to match.

Are results posted anywhere?

I agree totally. These are the best 20 Boys of 2017 on The Island. Ask the kids that tried out and did not make the top 20 and they will tell you. Give credit where credit is due. The turtles are the turtles they have the best team and most talent the others are just as talented. Go ahead and find another 19 or 20 to run with this group.......good luck.

Results are posted on the Brine website under "middle school boys"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree totally. These are the best 20 Boys of 2017 on The Island. Ask the kids that tried out and did not make the top 20 and they will tell you. Give credit where credit is due. The turtles are the turtles they have the best team and most talent the others are just as talented. Go ahead and find another 19 or 20 to run with this group.......good luck.

Slow down champ, your boy obviously made the team so congrats. So the turtles are all great players? All of them? I say out of the 20 players on that list 15 of those players belong. Others are favors. And there are 2 or 3 who are on call back list that were shafted because of who they play for. You go ask the kids that one.

No he did not make the team. The talent at the Tryouts was the best that many of us have seen anywhere at one place. Just being honest and complimentary to the talent thats all!! Favors what favors? Go find another 19 or 20 kids that beat that group. Fine you might have 4 or 5 that are as good as some in that group but you won't find 20 as good as that top 20. Very impressive group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No he did not make the team. The talent at the Tryouts was the best that many of us have seen anywhere at one place. Just being honest and complimentary to the talent thats all!! Favors what favors? Go find another 19 or 20 kids that beat that group. Fine you might have 4 or 5 that are as good as some in that group but you won't find 20 as good as that top 20. Very impressive group.

I think we are saying the same thing. But I can't say ALL 20 on that list BELONG. I do agree that you would be hard pressed to find another 20 players at that level. But no terps, no true blue and no gladiators. So tough to say thats the end all be it all on LI for 2017 because the above mentioned teams have many highly talented players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No he did not make the team. The talent at the Tryouts was the best that many of us have seen anywhere at one place. Just being honest and complimentary to the talent thats all!! Favors what favors? Go find another 19 or 20 kids that beat that group. Fine you might have 4 or 5 that are as good as some in that group but you won't find 20 as good as that top 20. Very impressive group.

I think we are saying the same thing. But I can't say ALL 20 on that list BELONG. I do agree that you would be hard pressed to find another 20 players at that level. But no terps, no true blue and no gladiators. So tough to say thats the end all be it all on LI for 2017 because the above mentioned teams have many highly talented players.

Did those teams have players that tried out?

Gladiators and probably true blue dont have the talent equal to those boys on the list

Check your facts the TERPS do have at least 1 player on the team, and others on the call back list.

These are the best 20 of the kids that tried out, not necessarily the best on the island. Not every great lax player went to the tryout. These boys are tops but there are many more out there.

How does one go about finding these types of tryouts. I'm new to this

My son was at the tryout and I can say that the tryout was full of talented kids and I think they picked a very, very good team. Cant argue with who they picked, they are all very good players. My son has played against these kids since he started playing travel lacrosse and he is friends with many of them. Did they get it exactly right? Were there better players that didn't make it? I think the answer to those questions is left to the evaluators whose job it was to sift through all the talent....Any way you look at it no matter who they picked, someone would have had an issue with it.......life is full of disappointments, if your son didn't make it, deal with it and move on, my son has. [lacrosse] be back for the spring tryout to try again..........

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Check your facts the TERPS do have at least 1 player on the team, and others on the call back list.

My facts are in tact more than you will ever know about the Terps, that got put on the call back whom didn't deserve that (3 of those terps BELONG on that 20, not just on their rep but on their performance that day)and my facts are in tact about the Terp who made it, let's just leave that at that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son was at the tryout and I can say that the tryout was full of talented kids and I think they picked a very, very good team. Cant argue with who they picked, they are all very good players. My son has played against these kids since he started playing travel lacrosse and he is friends with many of them. Did they get it exactly right? Were there better players that didn't make it? I think the answer to those questions is left to the evaluators whose job it was to sift through all the talent....Any way you look at it no matter who they picked, someone would have had an issue with it.......life is full of disappointments, if your son didn't make it, deal with it and move on, my son has. [lacrosse] be back for the spring tryout to try again..........

Dear amazing parnet,

Did you notice that the highly credibility evaluators that you referred to that picked your son that they really weren't evaluating ANYTHING. Your son was picked before he showed up. If your one of the 16 (out of the 20) that deserve the spot you got than you also play for the right coach or club. This thing stinks of loads of BS! So, hopefully that will help your son get recruited in a year or two along with your sons talent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No he did not make the team. The talent at the Tryouts was the best that many of us have seen anywhere at one place. Just being honest and complimentary to the talent thats all!! Favors what favors? Go find another 19 or 20 kids that beat that group. Fine you might have 4 or 5 that are as good as some in that group but you won't find 20 as good as that top 20. Very impressive group.

I think we are saying the same thing. But I can't say ALL 20 on that list BELONG. I do agree that you would be hard pressed to find another 20 players at that level. But no terps, no true blue and no gladiators. So tough to say thats the end all be it all on LI for 2017 because the above mentioned teams have many highly talented players.

Did those teams have players that tried out?

around 10 express Terps tried out. But JD and JM took care of their boys,where Terps were on an island alone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son was at the tryout and I can say that the tryout was full of talented kids and I think they picked a very, very good team. Cant argue with who they picked, they are all very good players. My son has played against these kids since he started playing travel lacrosse and he is friends with many of them. Did they get it exactly right? Were there better players that didn't make it? I think the answer to those questions is left to the evaluators whose job it was to sift through all the talent....Any way you look at it no matter who they picked, someone would have had an issue with it.......life is full of disappointments, if your son didn't make it, deal with it and move on, my son has. [lacrosse] be back for the spring tryout to try again..........

Dear amazing parnet,

Did you notice that the highly credibility evaluators that you referred to that picked your son that they really weren't evaluating ANYTHING. Your son was picked before he showed up. If your one of the 16 (out of the 20) that deserve the spot you got than you also play for the right coach or club. This thing stinks of loads of BS! So, hopefully that will help your son get recruited in a year or two along with your sons talent.

Sorry to ruin your hate and whine rant but I have news for you.....my son didn't make the team or the call back list. He had a bad day and didn't deserve to get picked. If in fact the team was predetermined than that's messed up. In reality Ionlynhave an issue with two kids who made it, all the other kids had good tryouts and deserve to be there IMO

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No he did not make the team. The talent at the Tryouts was the best that many of us have seen anywhere at one place. Just being honest and complimentary to the talent thats all!! Favors what favors? Go find another 19 or 20 kids that beat that group. Fine you might have 4 or 5 that are as good as some in that group but you won't find 20 as good as that top 20. Very impressive group.

I think we are saying the same thing. But I can't say ALL 20 on that list BELONG. I do agree that you would be hard pressed to find another 20 players at that level. But no terps, no true blue and no gladiators. So tough to say thats the end all be it all on LI for 2017 because the above mentioned teams have many highly talented players.

Did those teams have players that tried out?

around 10 express Terps tried out. But JD and JM took care of their boys,where Terps were on an island alone.

That's a crock and you know it.Did every one on JD or JM's kids make it. Those two guys are like oil and water.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No he did not make the team. The talent at the Tryouts was the best that many of us have seen anywhere at one place. Just being honest and complimentary to the talent thats all!! Favors what favors? Go find another 19 or 20 kids that beat that group. Fine you might have 4 or 5 that are as good as some in that group but you won't find 20 as good as that top 20. Very impressive group.

I think we are saying the same thing. But I can't say ALL 20 on that list BELONG. I do agree that you would be hard pressed to find another 20 players at that level. But no terps, no true blue and no gladiators. So tough to say thats the end all be it all on LI for 2017 because the above mentioned teams have many highly talented players.

Did those teams have players that tried out?

around 10 express Terps tried out. But JD and JM took care of their boys,where Terps were on an island alone.

That's a crock and you know it.Did every one on JD or JM's kids make it. Those two guys are like oil and water.

Hahaha, riggggghhhhttttt! Keep buying the BS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son was at the tryout and I can say that the tryout was full of talented kids and I think they picked a very, very good team. Cant argue with who they picked, they are all very good players. My son has played against these kids since he started playing travel lacrosse and he is friends with many of them. Did they get it exactly right? Were there better players that didn't make it? I think the answer to those questions is left to the evaluators whose job it was to sift through all the talent....Any way you look at it no matter who they picked, someone would have had an issue with it.......life is full of disappointments, if your son didn't make it, deal with it and move on, my son has. [lacrosse] be back for the spring tryout to try again..........

Dear amazing parnet,

Did you notice that the highly credibility evaluators that you referred to that picked your son that they really weren't evaluating ANYTHING. Your son was picked before he showed up. If your one of the 16 (out of the 20) that deserve the spot you got than you also play for the right coach or club. This thing stinks of loads of BS! So, hopefully that will help your son get recruited in a year or two along with your sons talent.

Sorry to ruin your hate and whine rant but I have news for you.....my son didn't make the team or the call back list. He had a bad day and didn't deserve to get picked. If in fact the team was predetermined than that's messed up. In reality Ionlynhave an issue with two kids who made it, all the other kids had good tryouts and deserve to be there IMO

It speaks volumes that you have an issue with two of the kids. The two whom you probably take issue with, are probably two coaches kids, who are fan-freaking-tastic players. Would you disqualify them because of this? Maybe if you had done that implant a few years back, you wouldn't hate so much.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son was at the tryout and I can say that the tryout was full of talented kids and I think they picked a very, very good team. Cant argue with who they picked, they are all very good players. My son has played against these kids since he started playing travel lacrosse and he is friends with many of them. Did they get it exactly right? Were there better players that didn't make it? I think the answer to those questions is left to the evaluators whose job it was to sift through all the talent....Any way you look at it no matter who they picked, someone would have had an issue with it.......life is full of disappointments, if your son didn't make it, deal with it and move on, my son has. [lacrosse] be back for the spring tryout to try again..........

Dear amazing parnet,

Did you notice that the highly credibility evaluators that you referred to that picked your son that they really weren't evaluating ANYTHING. Your son was picked before he showed up. If your one of the 16 (out of the 20) that deserve the spot you got than you also play for the right coach or club. This thing stinks of loads of BS! So, hopefully that will help your son get recruited in a year or two along with your sons talent.

Dear PARNET,
You would be the guy sitting in front of a mirror, applying lipstick, while scratching yourself until you bleed, right? Even if you are not demented, are you not afraid that you sound like a whining dweeb loser?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son was at the tryout and I can say that the tryout was full of talented kids and I think they picked a very, very good team. Cant argue with who they picked, they are all very good players. My son has played against these kids since he started playing travel lacrosse and he is friends with many of them. Did they get it exactly right? Were there better players that didn't make it? I think the answer to those questions is left to the evaluators whose job it was to sift through all the talent....Any way you look at it no matter who they picked, someone would have had an issue with it.......life is full of disappointments, if your son didn't make it, deal with it and move on, my son has. [lacrosse] be back for the spring tryout to try again..........

Dear amazing parnet,

Did you notice that the highly credibility evaluators that you referred to that picked your son that they really weren't evaluating ANYTHING. Your son was picked before he showed up. If your one of the 16 (out of the 20) that deserve the spot you got than you also play for the right coach or club. This thing stinks of loads of BS! So, hopefully that will help your son get recruited in a year or two along with your sons talent.

Sorry to ruin your hate and whine rant but I have news for you.....my son didn't make the team or the call back list. He had a bad day and didn't deserve to get picked. If in fact the team was predetermined than that's messed up. In reality Ionlynhave an issue with two kids who made it, all the other kids had good tryouts and deserve to be there IMO

It speaks volumes that you have an issue with two of the kids. The two whom you probably take issue with, are probably two coaches kids, who are fan-freaking-tastic players. Would you disqualify them because of this? Maybe if you had done that implant a few years back, you wouldn't hate so much.

No hate from here at all. But one of those coaches son IS a great player, other coach son, no comment. Funny thing was watching JM walk around from field to field (the big time coach got a good workout on that chilly day!) whispering to all the silly evaluators! Jeez that guy can work a room (lol)! As far as JD, he has to have the huge bulk of his players on the brine thing. Oh, how about when they broke the kids down to different fields toward the end. Remember that part? Remember who was where and than who is in the top 20?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No he did not make the team. The talent at the Tryouts was the best that many of us have seen anywhere at one place. Just being honest and complimentary to the talent thats all!! Favors what favors? Go find another 19 or 20 kids that beat that group. Fine you might have 4 or 5 that are as good as some in that group but you won't find 20 as good as that top 20. Very impressive group.

I think we are saying the same thing. But I can't say ALL 20 on that list BELONG. I do agree that you would be hard pressed to find another 20 players at that level. But no terps, no true blue and no gladiators. So tough to say thats the end all be it all on LI for 2017 because the above mentioned teams have many highly talented players.

Did those teams have players that tried out?

around 10 express Terps tried out. But JD and JM took care of their boys,where Terps were on an island alone.

That's a crock and you know it.Did every one on JD or JM's kids make it. Those two guys are like oil and water.

No, they ALL did not make it but, what an easy way to explain why little Johnny didnt make the team. "JD & JM took care of their boys" wah, wah, wah!!! Its a great team, sorry your kid (or mine) didnt make it. Try again next year. The bar is set high here on LI in the 2017 age group!

I only hope these boys grow up to be better behaved than their parents displayed here.

How embarrassing for you.

The statement was "NO TERPS" made it, is this true or not? If your facts are so in tact as you put it answer this, is there a TERP on the team or not? A simple yes or no will do.

Is there a website that posts these types of tryouts? How can I go about finding these tryouts?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son was at the tryout and I can say that the tryout was full of talented kids and I think they picked a very, very good team. Cant argue with who they picked, they are all very good players. My son has played against these kids since he started playing travel lacrosse and he is friends with many of them. Did they get it exactly right? Were there better players that didn't make it? I think the answer to those questions is left to the evaluators whose job it was to sift through all the talent....Any way you look at it no matter who they picked, someone would have had an issue with it.......life is full of disappointments, if your son didn't make it, deal with it and move on, my son has. [lacrosse] be back for the spring tryout to try again..........

Dear amazing parnet,

Did you notice that the highly credibility evaluators that you referred to that picked your son that they really weren't evaluating ANYTHING. Your son was picked before he showed up. If your one of the 16 (out of the 20) that deserve the spot you got than you also play for the right coach or club. This thing stinks of loads of BS! So, hopefully that will help your son get recruited in a year or two along with your sons talent.

Sorry to ruin your hate and whine rant but I have news for you.....my son didn't make the team or the call back list. He had a bad day and didn't deserve to get picked. If in fact the team was predetermined than that's messed up. In reality Ionlynhave an issue with two kids who made it, all the other kids had good tryouts and deserve to be there IMO

It speaks volumes that you have an issue with two of the kids. The two whom you probably take issue with, are probably two coaches kids, who are fan-freaking-tastic players. Would you disqualify them because of this? Maybe if you had done that implant a few years back, you wouldn't hate so much.

No hate from here at all. But one of those coaches son IS a great player, other coach son, no comment. Funny thing was watching JM walk around from field to field (the big time coach got a good workout on that chilly day!) whispering to all the silly evaluators! Jeez that guy can work a room (lol)! As far as JD, he has to have the huge bulk of his players on the brine thing. Oh, how about when they broke the kids down to different fields toward the end. Remember that part? Remember who was where and than who is in the top 20?

Ahh, so when you say, "no comment..." that would categorize your rating VALID. The huge bulk of his players are very good players. Get out and throw a ball around. You are onviously envious. Always will be bitter feelings from those overlooked, unless their parents teach them well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son was at the tryout and I can say that the tryout was full of talented kids and I think they picked a very, very good team. Cant argue with who they picked, they are all very good players. My son has played against these kids since he started playing travel lacrosse and he is friends with many of them. Did they get it exactly right? Were there better players that didn't make it? I think the answer to those questions is left to the evaluators whose job it was to sift through all the talent....Any way you look at it no matter who they picked, someone would have had an issue with it.......life is full of disappointments, if your son didn't make it, deal with it and move on, my son has. [lacrosse] be back for the spring tryout to try again..........

Dear amazing parnet,

Did you notice that the highly credibility evaluators that you referred to that picked your son that they really weren't evaluating ANYTHING. Your son was picked before he showed up. If your one of the 16 (out of the 20) that deserve the spot you got than you also play for the right coach or club. This thing stinks of loads of BS! So, hopefully that will help your son get recruited in a year or two along with your sons talent.

Sorry to ruin your hate and whine rant but I have news for you.....my son didn't make the team or the call back list. He had a bad day and didn't deserve to get picked. If in fact the team was predetermined than that's messed up. In reality Ionlynhave an issue with two kids who made it, all the other kids had good tryouts and deserve to be there IMO

It speaks volumes that you have an issue with two of the kids. The two whom you probably take issue with, are probably two coaches kids, who are fan-freaking-tastic players. Would you disqualify them because of this? Maybe if you had done that implant a few years back, you wouldn't hate so much.

No hate from here at all. But one of those coaches son IS a great player, other coach son, no comment. Funny thing was watching JM walk around from field to field (the big time coach got a good workout on that chilly day!) whispering to all the silly evaluators! Jeez that guy can work a room (lol)! As far as JD, he has to have the huge bulk of his players on the brine thing. Oh, how about when they broke the kids down to different fields toward the end. Remember that part? Remember who was where and than who is in the top 20?

JD has the huge bulk, and you are suspicious of this?! Have you heard that his team is DROP DEAD AWESOME? Sorry, man, it's just the way it is. Why don't you go on a tirade now against him, as well as some other successful, renowned, highly regarded coaches? Maybe you should hate their kids, too. You say "no hate here", but your whole post is composed of it. Nice

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No he did not make the team. The talent at the Tryouts was the best that many of us have seen anywhere at one place. Just being honest and complimentary to the talent thats all!! Favors what favors? Go find another 19 or 20 kids that beat that group. Fine you might have 4 or 5 that are as good as some in that group but you won't find 20 as good as that top 20. Very impressive group.

I think we are saying the same thing. But I can't say ALL 20 on that list BELONG. I do agree that you would be hard pressed to find another 20 players at that level. But no terps, no true blue and no gladiators. So tough to say thats the end all be it all on LI for 2017 because the above mentioned teams have many highly talented players.

Did those teams have players that tried out?

around 10 express Terps tried out. But JD and JM took care of their boys,where Terps were on an island alone.

That's a crock and you know it.Did every one on JD or JM's kids make it. Those two guys are like oil and water.

No, they ALL did not make it but, what an easy way to explain why little Johnny didnt make the team. "JD & JM took care of their boys" wah, wah, wah!!! Its a great team, sorry your kid (or mine) didnt make it. Try again next year. The bar is set high here on LI in the 2017 age group!

Listen for some of us we need to accept what goes on. It's never what you know but who. However, if you say is true how did JD assist coaches kid not make it? I know his name popped up like a mushroom in the night on the call back list but it probably wasn't his doing.

Not every boy on that roster of 20 is a turtle or 91 player. My son did not make it. When he saw the talent he knew and I knew his chances were slim. We have no problem with that.....it's called LIFE

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son was at the tryout and I can say that the tryout was full of talented kids and I think they picked a very, very good team. Cant argue with who they picked, they are all very good players. My son has played against these kids since he started playing travel lacrosse and he is friends with many of them. Did they get it exactly right? Were there better players that didn't make it? I think the answer to those questions is left to the evaluators whose job it was to sift through all the talent....Any way you look at it no matter who they picked, someone would have had an issue with it.......life is full of disappointments, if your son didn't make it, deal with it and move on, my son has. [lacrosse] be back for the spring tryout to try again..........

Dear amazing parnet,

Did you notice that the highly credibility evaluators that you referred to that picked your son that they really weren't evaluating ANYTHING. Your son was picked before he showed up. If your one of the 16 (out of the 20) that deserve the spot you got than you also play for the right coach or club. This thing stinks of loads of BS! So, hopefully that will help your son get recruited in a year or two along with your sons talent.

Sorry to ruin your hate and whine rant but I have news for you.....my son didn't make the team or the call back list. He had a bad day and didn't deserve to get picked. If in fact the team was predetermined than that's messed up. In reality Ionlynhave an issue with two kids who made it, all the other kids had good tryouts and deserve to be there IMO

It speaks volumes that you have an issue with two of the kids. The two whom you probably take issue with, are probably two coaches kids, who are fan-freaking-tastic players. Would you disqualify them because of this? Maybe if you had done that implant a few years back, you wouldn't hate so much.

Noones hating here, only you. The two kids I have an issue with were kids that got sent to the other field with my son and are not coaches kids to my knowledge. Both kids were on my sons team but somehow made into the top 20 even though they weren't on the main field with all the kids they chose to look at. It speaks volumes that you assume you know what your talking about and you clearly don't. I can't comment on either coaches son because I didn't take notice of them at the tryout. From what people are posting here it sounds like there were more deserving players........

First thing right off that no one has mentioned is how badly run that tryout was. No fast breaks? No progressions? They didn't take any care in how they broke the boys up, so you had kids that play together all the time that played together the whole tryout. A competitive tryout like that is supposed to be about what players stand out and demonstrate their ability to play at the next level, not what club team they play for or how big they are, etc. I like how they sent half the kids to the other field. It looks like the list is comprised of some very good players and it's hard to argue with the list, however Im not sure the best players on that DAY were picked. It's unforttunate that that's the way it is for travel lax on Long Island, but looks like thats what we'll be dealing with for the next 5 years.

many of the terps did not try out

no idea if any made it but more than a few did not try out, apparently went away sun to play in pa

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son was at the tryout and I can say that the tryout was full of talented kids and I think they picked a very, very good team. Cant argue with who they picked, they are all very good players. My son has played against these kids since he started playing travel lacrosse and he is friends with many of them. Did they get it exactly right? Were there better players that didn't make it? I think the answer to those questions is left to the evaluators whose job it was to sift through all the talent....Any way you look at it no matter who they picked, someone would have had an issue with it.......life is full of disappointments, if your son didn't make it, deal with it and move on, my son has. [lacrosse] be back for the spring tryout to try again..........

Dear amazing parnet,

Did you notice that the highly credibility evaluators that you referred to that picked your son that they really weren't evaluating ANYTHING. Your son was picked before he showed up. If your one of the 16 (out of the 20) that deserve the spot you got than you also play for the right coach or club. This thing stinks of loads of BS! So, hopefully that will help your son get recruited in a year or two along with your sons talent.

Sorry to ruin your hate and whine rant but I have news for you.....my son didn't make the team or the call back list. He had a bad day and didn't deserve to get picked. If in fact the team was predetermined than that's messed up. In reality Ionlynhave an issue with two kids who made it, all the other kids had good tryouts and deserve to be there IMO

It speaks volumes that you have an issue with two of the kids. The two whom you probably take issue with, are probably two coaches kids, who are fan-freaking-tastic players. Would you disqualify them because of this? Maybe if you had done that implant a few years back, you wouldn't hate so much.

No hate from here at all. But one of those coaches son IS a great player, other coach son, no comment. Funny thing was watching JM walk around from field to field (the big time coach got a good workout on that chilly day!) whispering to all the silly evaluators! Jeez that guy can work a room (lol)! As far as JD, he has to have the huge bulk of his players on the brine thing. Oh, how about when they broke the kids down to different fields toward the end. Remember that part? Remember who was where and than who is in the top 20?

No Hate?? This comment is ALL hate and jelousy! What a nasty individual you must be. EVERY "BOY" on that team deserves to be there, both coaches sons included. You're a disgrace

Although the tryout itself was not run well, no transition drills. The team they have is certainly a very strong team. Mistakes are always made but allowing another 5 kids to prove themselves at the second tryout and make the team was a very smart move. It also shouldn't matter how many players from a certain team make the roster, it should just be the best kids to represent LI lacrosse.

It would not matter. The Terps are good and deep and very well coached. But as far as talent compared to those top 20 , no way do they do not stack up. They have some good players but nothing like those top 19 or 20. The whole Terps team and True Blue and Gladiators and whoever else could have tried out. It just would not matter. The outcome would have been the same. That top 19 or 20 are the best. We all know that. And my son got cut too. Kudos to the Boys that made it. They deserve it and should be congratulated. I would love to see them all play together. The rest of the country has their hands full!!!

Dude just stop. The best players were picked. Live with it. My son did not make it either and should not have made it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Gladiators and probably true blue dont have the talent equal to those boys on the list

Oh really...What a stupid statement....enough said !!!!!

Too bad we had the aforementioned "evaluators" who have now created this nonsense and ruined this event. Unfortunately we will see "them" involved with the "coaching" that takes place during the event in July. I feel sorry for the college coach assigned to this team who will have to put up with this teams "evaluators". But as stated earlier get use to 5 more years of this BS.

Your a clown..No TB kids tried out as far as we heard.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son was at the tryout and I can say that the tryout was full of talented kids and I think they picked a very, very good team. Cant argue with who they picked, they are all very good players. My son has played against these kids since he started playing travel lacrosse and he is friends with many of them. Did they get it exactly right? Were there better players that didn't make it? I think the answer to those questions is left to the evaluators whose job it was to sift through all the talent....Any way you look at it no matter who they picked, someone would have had an issue with it.......life is full of disappointments, if your son didn't make it, deal with it and move on, my son has. [lacrosse] be back for the spring tryout to try again..........

Dear amazing parnet,

Did you notice that the highly credibility evaluators that you referred to that picked your son that they really weren't evaluating ANYTHING. Your son was picked before he showed up. If your one of the 16 (out of the 20) that deserve the spot you got than you also play for the right coach or club. This thing stinks of loads of BS! So, hopefully that will help your son get recruited in a year or two along with your sons talent.

Sorry to ruin your hate and whine rant but I have news for you.....my son didn't make the team or the call back list. He had a bad day and didn't deserve to get picked. If in fact the team was predetermined than that's messed up. In reality Ionlynhave an issue with two kids who made it, all the other kids had good tryouts and deserve to be there IMO

It speaks volumes that you have an issue with two of the kids. The two whom you probably take issue with, are probably two coaches kids, who are fan-freaking-tastic players. Would you disqualify them because of this? Maybe if you had done that implant a few years back, you wouldn't hate so much.

Noones hating here, only you. The two kids I have an issue with were kids that got sent to the other field with my son and are not coaches kids to my knowledge. Both kids were on my sons team but somehow made into the top 20 even though they weren't on the main field with all the kids they chose to look at. It speaks volumes that you assume you know what your talking about and you clearly don't. I can't comment on either coaches son because I didn't take notice of them at the tryout. From what people are posting here it sounds like there were more deserving players........

from what people are posting here it seems as if those whose children were not selected, are posting many excuses as to why their kids did not make it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Too bad we had the aforementioned "evaluators" who have now created this nonsense and ruined this event. Unfortunately we will see "them" involved with the "coaching" that takes place during the event in July. I feel sorry for the college coach assigned to this team who will have to put up with this teams "evaluators". But as stated earlier get use to 5 more years of this BS.

I bet that your kid would NEVER accept a spot on either of those coaches teams, if selected. ...yeah....

Is it really, "NEVER what you know, but whom you know", or is it a help to have BOTH? Some of the jealous posts here seem to assert that the kid can't play the game, but somehow gets selected. THAT is SPIN on the situation. Be fair- NO weak players were selected, so when ALL capable players are present, why is it so darn confusing that a familiar kid may get the nod? Maybe these guys are NOT the anti-Christ. It would be nice if the haters could imagine that they were in the position to evaluate

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First thing right off that no one has mentioned is how badly run that tryout was. No fast breaks? No progressions? They didn't take any care in how they broke the boys up, so you had kids that play together all the time that played together the whole tryout. A competitive tryout like that is supposed to be about what players stand out and demonstrate their ability to play at the next level, not what club team they play for or how big they are, etc. I like how they sent half the kids to the other field. It looks like the list is comprised of some very good players and it's hard to argue with the list, however Im not sure the best players on that DAY were picked. It's unforttunate that that's the way it is for travel lax on Long Island, but looks like thats what we'll be dealing with for the next 5 years.

If you were in charge, would you realize that no cohesive gel is going to take place with kids unfamiliar with one another's play style, typical tactics, etc.? Would you realize that 4 or 5 different kids from different teams may drill these transitional plays in totally different manners? ....nah, just bash it.

There should have been evaluators not associated with the 2017 teams. It would be nice to see a legit tryout without the 2 main "evaluators" mentioned above inserting their BS and opinions. They are selfish self promotors...... we dont have to like it but we all have to deal with it.

It is clear the tryouts were not done fairly and Brine should be made aware of this, as it tarnishes their reputation. It is also simple to fix - go back and look at the scores and re-pick the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is clear the tryouts were not done fairly and Brine should be made aware of this, as it tarnishes their reputation. It is also simple to fix - go back and look at the scores and re-pick the team.

Add the past Nov 6th election to your statement as well and we'll see what kind of support you get.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There should have been evaluators not associated with the 2017 teams. It would be nice to see a legit tryout without the 2 main "evaluators" mentioned above inserting their BS and opinions. They are selfish self promotors...... we dont have to like it but we all have to deal with it.

The 2 main "evaluators" mentioned inserted their BS and opinions & they are selfish self promotors? Their opinions have proven to matter! they are freaking good at what they do! Self promoting? Their teams promote themselves. You can stand on the outside and be envious and jealous but, coming on here and calling them names and talking about their 13 year old sons is disgraceful. I guess you will continue doing this until your kid is good enough to catch their attention & then their opinions will matter, right?

You guys are just dense!!! These are the best 20 boys period. Does not matter who wasn't there. Anyone would predict that if this group showed up at a tryout they would be selected. All the boys know them. If you insist that if 1 or 2 kids do not belong because they are a coach's son... So be it. But don't take away from the other 18 or 19 who earned a roster spot legitimately ..,.with talent. And no my son did not even make the call back list. He know all the names that did and is not in their league. So stop with the sour grapes and practice harder. The tryout was as fair as any. Get used it!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You guys are just dense!!! These are the best 20 boys period. Does not matter who wasn't there. Anyone would predict that if this group showed up at a tryout they would be selected. All the boys know them. If you insist that if 1 or 2 kids do not belong because they are a coach's son... So be it. But don't take away from the other 18 or 19 who earned a roster spot legitimately ..,.with talent. And no my son did not even make the call back list. He know all the names that did and is not in their league. So stop with the sour grapes and practice harder. The tryout was as fair as any. Get used it!!!

Isn't there another tryout next week for some spots on that team & to make another team? Can not imagine what craziness is going to be put up here after that!!!

I was not there and am curious if its OK to name the coaches that did the evaluations. Intrigued if the names on the list of players is loaded with their players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was not there and am curious if its OK to name the coaches that did the evaluations. Intrigued if the names on the list of players is loaded with their players.

Why would it not be OK to publish the names of the evaluators? As a matter of fact, if someone was asking my kid to tryout for anything, you could be pretty darn sure that I would want to know who was behind the evaluations before we would show up at the field.

What's the website with the roster? I googled Brine Middle School and could not locate anything with the try out results.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was not there and am curious if its OK to name the coaches that did the evaluations. Intrigued if the names on the list of players is loaded with their players.

Why would it not be OK to publish the names of the evaluators? As a matter of fact, if someone was asking my kid to tryout for anything, you could be pretty darn sure that I would want to know who was behind the evaluations before we would show up at the field.

I was asking their names. On the site sometimes names being used is frowned upon.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is clear the tryouts were not done fairly and Brine should be made aware of this, as it tarnishes their reputation. It is also simple to fix - go back and look at the scores and re-pick the team.

Go tell Brine- Inform them that this is so, because you claim that it is. Is it NOT LIKELY that these highly successful coaches, with the strongest teams, have the highest number of players rising to the top? Why do you not get it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was not there and am curious if its OK to name the coaches that did the evaluations. Intrigued if the names on the list of players is loaded with their players.

- do you mean "the coaches with the strongest teams"? Are you wondering if THEY have the majority of the players making the team? That might not be so odd.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was not there and am curious if its OK to name the coaches that did the evaluations. Intrigued if the names on the list of players is loaded with their players.

- do you mean "the coaches with the strongest teams"? Are you wondering if THEY have the majority of the players making the team? That might not be so odd.

Let's face it the best teams might have 10-15 great players but the other 10 might be coaches son, friend of said coach, someone's son who donated or has some connections in some other field etc. It's all who you know.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was not there and am curious if its OK to name the coaches that did the evaluations. Intrigued if the names on the list of players is loaded with their players.

- do you mean "the coaches with the strongest teams"? Are you wondering if THEY have the majority of the players making the team? That might not be so odd.

Let's face it the best teams might have 10-15 great players but the other 10 might be coaches son, friend of said coach, someone's son who donated or has some connections in some other field etc. It's all who you know.

OK- you said so, so I guess I must "face it". This confirms it, such as when somebody says, "it's a fact".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was not there and am curious if its OK to name the coaches that did the evaluations. Intrigued if the names on the list of players is loaded with their players.

- do you mean "the coaches with the strongest teams"? Are you wondering if THEY have the majority of the players making the team? That might not be so odd.

Let's face it the best teams might have 10-15 great players but the other 10 might be coaches son, friend of said coach, someone's son who donated or has some connections in some other field etc. It's all who you know.

OK- you said so, so I guess I must "face it". This confirms it, such as when somebody says, "it's a fact".

your point?

Does anyone know if there is a boys Nassau County spring PAL league for 8th graders or a league similar to the LISGYLL league for girls?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know if there is a boys Nassau County spring PAL league for 8th graders or a league similar to the LISGYLL league for girls?

Yes - 7th - 8th and 7/8 combined

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was not there and am curious if its OK to name the coaches that did the evaluations. Intrigued if the names on the list of players is loaded with their players.

- do you mean "the coaches with the strongest teams"? Are you wondering if THEY have the majority of the players making the team? That might not be so odd.

Let's face it the best teams might have 10-15 great players but the other 10 might be coaches son, friend of said coach, someone's son who donated or has some connections in some other field etc. It's all who you know.

OK, I faced it...I had my son, who has played with/against all of these boys for years, look at the list of 20 boys picked. He felt all of them (including both coaches sons) are incredible players who should be on the team. Are there 1 or 2 that might be interchangable with 1 or 2 of the players called back for another tryout this weekend? Maybe. From what we are told, they are picking 5 more players & putting together another team. Great idea...maybe you guys from this site should do the evaluating for that team because you all sound very unbiased. Hahaha (that was a joke:) It's not all "who you know" Its how talented you are, how hard you work & catching the attention of a very good coach! Thats the lesson you should be teaching your children, not this ridiculousness!Please stop taking away from these VERY talented boys!!

So your saying the selections were completely unbiased. That must have been another joke haha. Yes all the boys selected are talented and worth the selection. Were there boys not selected who were better than some selected yes and it happens all the time. Really should have been a group of coaches with no affiliations doing the evaluations. This would eliminate all the BS associated with these types of selctions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So your saying the selections were completely unbiased. That must have been another joke haha. Yes all the boys selected are talented and worth the selection. Were there boys not selected who were better than some selected yes and it happens all the time. Really should have been a group of coaches with no affiliations doing the evaluations. This would eliminate all the BS associated with these types of selctions.

who are these boys you are referring to/ defending? They are taking 5 more players, if they didn't make the top 20 then they should get out there sat morning and earn the spot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really should have been a group of coaches with no affiliations doing the evaluations. This would eliminate all the BS associated with these types of selctions.

Using people who have no affiliations with the boys will create a different type of bias. Such as-

-bigger is immediately perceived as better
-A faster timed run is more imprtant than real field speed and angles
-a good driller over a good gamer

The best scenario is a coalition of coaches who collectively have seen all the candidates and can objectively evaluate every boy. None should have child as part of the evaluation

Can someone please name the evaluators that were at the Dec 1st event and if they will be the same ones at future events! I am curious.

My kid is going back Saturday, he is for sure gonna make the the team. I made him a Turtle Helmet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My kid is going back Saturday, he is for sure gonna make the the team. I made him a Turtle Helmet.

Brilliant idea...teach your kid to be someone he's not. Have fun.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My kid is going back Saturday, he is for sure gonna make the the team. I made him a Turtle Helmet.

Brilliant idea...teach your kid to be someone he's not. Have fun.

You are going to take that seriously?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So your saying the selections were completely unbiased. That must have been another joke haha. Yes all the boys selected are talented and worth the selection. Were there boys not selected who were better than some selected yes and it happens all the time. Really should have been a group of coaches with no affiliations doing the evaluations. This would eliminate all the BS associated with these types of selctions.

who are these boys you are referring to/ defending? They are taking 5 more players, if they didn't make the top 20 then they should get out there sat morning and earn the spot.

My son made it, two of his friends who should've made to top 20 have both been call back for the 5 spots. I really doubt either kid is going Saturday. Turned off, It's a shame because most know these two boys and they are respected by a lot of players in this highly talented 2017 group on long island.

really, losen up Francis.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My kid is going back Saturday, he is for sure gonna make the the team. I made him a Turtle Helmet.

Maybe if he was good enough to wear a Turtle helmet he would be good enough to make the team.

Ok Turtles are really really good, maybe one of the best teams to come out of LI in a long time. Have you ever heard guilty by association. In some cases it could be be talent by association and I think thats what this person is referring to with the comment about the helmet. Its also a joke like haaahaa.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok Turtles are really really good, maybe one of the best teams to come out of LI in a long time. Have you ever heard guilty by association. In some cases it could be be talent by association and I think thats what this person is referring to with the comment about the helmet. Its also a joke like haaahaa.

Agree. Excellent post, very accurate. Talent by Association, very true in regards to the brine stuff. I felt there wear 7 turtles players that deserve to be on the brine team. And they are, not 12 or 13 whatever the ridiculous number is. How about the former turtles wearing there old turtle helmets! Ha.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok Turtles are really really good, maybe one of the best teams to come out of LI in a long time. Have you ever heard guilty by association. In some cases it could be be talent by association and I think thats what this person is referring to with the comment about the helmet. Its also a joke like haaahaa.

Agree. Excellent post, very accurate. Talent by Association, very true in regards to the brine stuff. I felt there wear 7 turtles players that deserve to be on the brine team. And they are, not 12 or 13 whatever the ridiculous number is. How about the former turtles wearing there old turtle helmets! Ha.

Wasn't there but heard about the selections. Who were the evaluators please anyone with that info it would be really appreciated.

This process is no way perfect-- far from. These two boys should attend the callbacks and show their talents. If they make it good for them.
It is going to be unfortunate how mature adults "take apart" the kids who round out that roster.
This was poor planing by the event organizer. The current roster(Top 20)should have not been released unless it was the full 25 man roster. The organizer of this event should have thought of this more rather than promoting his event and telling everyone how many kids were there.
The callbacks should have been used for a second team if thats what is going to happen and not find the remaining 5 spots along with a second team.
The organizer not the evaluators dropped the ball.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So your saying the selections were completely unbiased. That must have been another joke haha. Yes all the boys selected are talented and worth the selection. Were there boys not selected who were better than some selected yes and it happens all the time. Really should have been a group of coaches with no affiliations doing the evaluations. This would eliminate all the BS associated with these types of selctions.

who are these boys you are referring to/ defending? They are taking 5 more players, if they didn't make the top 20 then they should get out there sat morning and earn the spot.

My son made it, two of his friends who should've made to top 20 have both been call back for the 5 spots. I really doubt either kid is going Saturday. Turned off, It's a shame because most know these two boys and they are respected by a lot of players in this highly talented 2017 group on long island.

Turned off?? It called facing adversity, a great lesson to be taught at tryouts like this, not giving up is the main one. Be a good friend and tell them to get their asses there and give it their best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So your saying the selections were completely unbiased. That must have been another joke haha. Yes all the boys selected are talented and worth the selection. Were there boys not selected who were better than some selected yes and it happens all the time. Really should have been a group of coaches with no affiliations doing the evaluations. This would eliminate all the BS associated with these types of selctions.

who are these boys you are referring to/ defending? They are taking 5 more players, if they didn't make the top 20 then they should get out there sat morning and earn the spot.

My son made it, two of his friends who should've made to top 20 have both been call back for the 5 spots. I really doubt either kid is going Saturday. Turned off, It's a shame because most know these two boys and they are respected by a lot of players in this highly talented 2017 group on long island.

Turned off?? It called facing adversity, a great lesson to be taught at tryouts like this, not giving up is the main one. Be a good friend and tell them to get their asses there and give it their best.

Push them to go? Why, let them make up their own minds, i think they have the right attitude and applaud them for it. Let their parents help guide them to the best option for them.

If these boys who have been slighted go sat and make the next team , go down to Maryland do well and if all goes well they will play each other. Then all of you will find out which team is better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So your saying the selections were completely unbiased. That must have been another joke haha. Yes all the boys selected are talented and worth the selection. Were there boys not selected who were better than some selected yes and it happens all the time. Really should have been a group of coaches with no affiliations doing the evaluations. This would eliminate all the BS associated with these types of selctions.

who are these boys you are referring to/ defending? They are taking 5 more players, if they didn't make the top 20 then they should get out there sat morning and earn the spot.

My son made it, two of his friends who should've made to top 20 have both been call back for the 5 spots. I really doubt either kid is going Saturday. Turned off, It's a shame because most know these two boys and they are respected by a lot of players in this highly talented 2017 group on long island.

Turned off?? It called facing adversity, a great lesson to be taught at tryouts like this, not giving up is the main one. Be a good friend and tell them to get their asses there and give it their best.

Push them to go? Why, let them make up their own minds, i think they have the right attitude and applaud them for it. Let their parents help guide them to the best option for them.

Lets start off with the two boys who "should have made the top 20"...says who? I think my son should have made the top 20, (& his friends think so too) But that doesnt make it reality. Not going to the second tryout because they are "turned off"? That would never the right attitude. Try and try again, as they say. Lets face it, tryouts are never perfect. Everyone will never agree on who should evaluate during them. Should it be top coaches within the grade level who have seen all of these kids play or strangers who can only see talent @ a tryout? Again, give credit where it is due...these 20 boys are very talented. Could a couple have been overlooked? Yes but, get your butt to the call back and show em what your made of!

whats the matter PS MC couldn't take care of this for you

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So your saying the selections were completely unbiased. That must have been another joke haha. Yes all the boys selected are talented and worth the selection. Were there boys not selected who were better than some selected yes and it happens all the time. Really should have been a group of coaches with no affiliations doing the evaluations. This would eliminate all the BS associated with these types of selctions.

who are these boys you are referring to/ defending? They are taking 5 more players, if they didn't make the top 20 then they should get out there sat morning and earn the spot.

My son made it, two of his friends who should've made to top 20 have both been call back for the 5 spots. I really doubt either kid is going Saturday. Turned off, It's a shame because most know these two boys and they are respected by a lot of players in this highly talented 2017 group on long island.

Turned off?? It called facing adversity, a great lesson to be taught at tryouts like this, not giving up is the main one. Be a good friend and tell them to get their asses there and give it their best.

Push them to go? Why, let them make up their own minds, i think they have the right attitude and applaud them for it. Let their parents help guide them to the best option for them.

Lets start off with the two boys who "should have made the top 20"...says who? I think my son should have made the top 20, (& his friends think so too) But that doesnt make it reality. Not going to the second tryout because they are "turned off"? That would never the right attitude. Try and try again, as they say. Lets face it, tryouts are never perfect. Everyone will never agree on who should evaluate during them. Should it be top coaches within the grade level who have seen all of these kids play or strangers who can only see talent @ a tryout? Again, give credit where it is due...these 20 boys are very talented. Could a couple have been overlooked? Yes but, get your butt to the call back and show em what your made of!

well said

Maybe it is time to put JM & JD on the radio program?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

whats the matter PS MC couldn't take care of this for you

Snnnnnnnnnnnappp!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

whats the matter PS MC couldn't take care of this for you

now thats just not right

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So your saying the selections were completely unbiased. That must have been another joke haha. Yes all the boys selected are talented and worth the selection. Were there boys not selected who were better than some selected yes and it happens all the time. Really should have been a group of coaches with no affiliations doing the evaluations. This would eliminate all the BS associated with these types of selctions.

who are these boys you are referring to/ defending? They are taking 5 more players, if they didn't make the top 20 then they should get out there sat morning and earn the spot.

My son made it, two of his friends who should've made to top 20 have both been call back for the 5 spots. I really doubt either kid is going Saturday. Turned off, It's a shame because most know these two boys and they are respected by a lot of players in this highly talented 2017 group on long island.

Turned off?? It called facing adversity, a great lesson to be taught at tryouts like this, not giving up is the main one. Be a good friend and tell them to get their asses there and give it their best.

Push them to go? Why, let them make up their own minds, i think they have the right attitude and applaud them for it. Let their parents help guide them to the best option for them.

Lets start off with the two boys who "should have made the top 20"...says who? I think my son should have made the top 20, (& his friends think so too) But that doesnt make it reality. Not going to the second tryout because they are "turned off"? That would never the right attitude. Try and try again, as they say. Lets face it, tryouts are never perfect. Everyone will never agree on who should evaluate during them. Should it be top coaches within the grade level who have seen all of these kids play or strangers who can only see talent @ a tryout? Again, give credit where it is due...these 20 boys are very talented. Could a couple have been overlooked? Yes but, get your butt to the call back and show em what your made of!

Probabtly the best post about this subject.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So your saying the selections were completely unbiased. That must have been another joke haha. Yes all the boys selected are talented and worth the selection. Were there boys not selected who were better than some selected yes and it happens all the time. Really should have been a group of coaches with no affiliations doing the evaluations. This would eliminate all the BS associated with these types of selctions.

who are these boys you are referring to/ defending? They are taking 5 more players, if they didn't make the top 20 then they should get out there sat morning and earn the spot.

My son made it, two of his friends who should've made to top 20 have both been call back for the 5 spots. I really doubt either kid is going Saturday. Turned off, It's a shame because most know these two boys and they are respected by a lot of players in this highly talented 2017 group on long island.

"His 2 friends should have made it". On whose authority? Would you be as biased as those whom you accuse to be so? Come now. See?

Hey, I just returned home from the Brine thing. I DO see what you mean! I thought that the evaluators were EVALUATING when they were comparing notes, and speaking with one another on the field. Since so many have mentioned it, I guess that they WERE all secretly plotting to only choose their team kids, OVER those who deserve it. I NOW see this, and apologize for not acting like a paranoid, disgruntled nerd all along.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

whats the matter PS MC couldn't take care of this for you

My, how confrontational. The initials. Probably equally as tough in life's day to day

Hey I just returned home and I am reading a post from an A Bleep.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey I just returned home and I am reading a post from an A Bleep.

Just logged on to see that somebody must have hit a nerve!

Talent at todays tryout was great. With the caliber of player long island has its literally impossible for the evaluators to truly get a good read on an individual player in an hour and a half. With that many talented young men touches were limited and you really had to catch a coaches eye at the precise moment you made a great play. So if a coach has a history with a player and knows how good he is, you can't blame him for picking him. Good luck to those who were chosen and for those who were not keep up the hard work and there is always next year. Good luck!

some day he will figure out him and his friends can't buy everything

Originally Posted by Anonymous

some day he will figure out him and his friends can't buy everything

...guess Jr didn't make it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

some day he will figure out him and his friends can't buy everything

...guess Jr didn't make it.

"him and his friends"...I think Jr wrote it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe it is time to put JM & JD on the radio program?

They couldn't work in the same place. Their gigantic heads/ego's wouldn't fit. I think they would do well in the "Bobble Head" business as models......

Does a last name make a good player? Seeing it happen all to often at tryouts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe it is time to put JM & JD on the radio program?

They couldn't work in the same place. Their gigantic heads/ego's wouldn't fit. I think they would do well in the "Bobble Head" business as models......

Need some PB for that jelly?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does a last name make a good player? Seeing it happen all to often at tryouts.

Apparently yours does not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does a last name make a good player? Seeing it happen all to often at tryouts.

Apparently yours does not.

My son made the team. Did I touch a nerve? Guilt by association? Feeble minds are so easily goaded into revealing the truth.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does a last name make a good player? Seeing it happen all to often at tryouts.

Apparently yours does not.

My son made the team. Did I touch a nerve? Guilt by association? Feeble minds are so easily goaded into revealing the truth.

Nope...not a nerve touched and no guilt. My son made the team, based on pure talent! Just sick of hearing the whining & annonymous nasty posts. Im sure its going to be fun listening to you on the sidelines of this tournament!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does a last name make a good player? Seeing it happen all to often at tryouts.

Apparently yours does not.

My son made the team. Did I touch a nerve? Guilt by association? Feeble minds are so easily goaded into revealing the truth.

Talk about feeble minds

Only as good as who comes down to the try out. have fun, but I guess next year everybody will be down to these type of events. Several key names didn't participate in the procedure. Several Key 91 Players not there ( a couple of those big middies) A couple of Terps not there? No True Blue Boys went down, I'm sure they have a couple of top 20 players( defense, and that big middie.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does a last name make a good player? Seeing it happen all to often at tryouts.

Apparently yours does not.

My son made the team. Did I touch a nerve? Guilt by association? Feeble minds are so easily goaded into revealing the truth.

Love it. Too funny. Why do people get so nasty. Glad your son made team. This person just shows you how they cant handle a simple question. I was at first tryout and saw a few kids over looked for kids who's brothers played or play in college.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does a last name make a good player? Seeing it happen all to often at tryouts.

Apparently yours does not.

My son made the team. Did I touch a nerve? Guilt by association? Feeble minds are so easily goaded into revealing the truth.

you need help

Yes I need help in understanding why you attack other people for no obvious reason. That you choose to be cofrontational on a forum where discussing a topic that has been mentioned but not really talked about. You just spew garbage and attack like a child on the playground. Its an open ended question to promote discussion. Not a challange of your manhood. Just assign numbers to players and have it where the coaches/evaluators are unbiased have no affiliation. Or does pedigree, team, and town mean more than quality of player. See who gets picked then. Like I said my son made it even with my last name being insignificant.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does a last name make a good player? Seeing it happen all to often at tryouts.

Apparently yours does not.

My son made the team. Did I touch a nerve? Guilt by association? Feeble minds are so easily goaded into revealing the truth.

Nope...not a nerve touched and no guilt. My son made the team, based on pure talent! Just sick of hearing the whining & annonymous nasty posts. Im sure its going to be fun listening to you on the sidelines of this tournament!

So why bash a simple question. There are and always will be players who make teams and take up spots of players who deserve to be there just based upon thier pedigree. I am glad your son made it but why be a jerk when some asks a question. What is nasty about it? Not calling any individual out just making an observation. Maybe the selection process for this event was or is different than others but in past 2017 events some choices have been questionable and then you find out last names or team affiliations. This is a discussion forum.

My son tried out last year, received call back last year, did not make it. He then tried out this year, got on the short list, went and worked his butt off and made the south team. Many parents and children (yes they are still children) focus on what they perceive to be greatness in their abilities, they really need to go out and play hard and lose to understand that hard work will get them further in life than being handed to them because they believe they are that good. The Brine program might not be perfect but they are far more fare in their process than many of the tryouts and programs we have come across on Long Island.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only as good as who comes down to the try out. have fun, but I guess next year everybody will be down to these type of events. Several key names didn't participate in the procedure. Several Key 91 Players not there ( a couple of those big middies) A couple of Terps not there? No True Blue Boys went down, I'm sure they have a couple of top 20 players( defense, and that big middie.

The team is real good. Some great talent on LI in 2017! The next couple of years should be very interesting. Looking forward to it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son tried out last year, received call back last year, did not make it. He then tried out this year, got on the short list, went and worked his butt off and made the south team. Many parents and children (yes they are still children) focus on what they perceive to be greatness in their abilities, they really need to go out and play hard and lose to understand that hard work will get them further in life than being handed to them because they believe they are that good. The Brine program might not be perfect but they are far more fare in their process than many of the tryouts and programs we have come across on Long Island.

Now thats what I am talking about. Making it on hard work and effort. Teaching your kid not to give up and work harder. A Derek Jeter quote"There may be people who have more talent than you, but there's no excuse for anyone to work harder than you do" Congrats and see you on the fields.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does a last name make a good player? Seeing it happen all to often at tryouts.

Apparently yours does not.

My son made the team. Did I touch a nerve? Guilt by association? Feeble minds are so easily goaded into revealing the truth.

Nope...not a nerve touched and no guilt. My son made the team, based on pure talent! Just sick of hearing the whining & annonymous nasty posts. Im sure its going to be fun listening to you on the sidelines of this tournament!

So why bash a simple question. There are and always will be players who make teams and take up spots of players who deserve to be there just based upon thier pedigree. I am glad your son made it but why be a jerk when some asks a question. What is nasty about it? Not calling any individual out just making an observation. Maybe the selection process for this event was or is different than others but in past 2017 events some choices have been questionable and then you find out last names or team affiliations. This is a discussion forum.

I have to start with, that was not a simple question. There has been a whole lot of bashing going on regarding this team selection. These are 13 year old boys & very talented ones @ that. Your "observation" is your opinion. You made the accusations of "touching a nerve" or being "guilty by association" & went as far as calling me "feeble minded" & now Im a "jerk". Talk about bashing! As I explained Im none of the above. I am just sick of hearing all the "Lax Daddys" that know better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes I need help in understanding why you attack other people for no obvious reason. That you choose to be cofrontational on a forum where discussing a topic that has been mentioned but not really talked about. You just spew garbage and attack like a child on the playground. Its an open ended question to promote discussion. Not a challange of your manhood. Just assign numbers to players and have it where the coaches/evaluators are unbiased have no affiliation. Or does pedigree, team, and town mean more than quality of player. See who gets picked then. Like I said my son made it even with my last name being insignificant.

Who attacked you or spewed garbage? You do need help

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son tried out last year, received call back last year, did not make it. He then tried out this year, got on the short list, went and worked his butt off and made the south team. Many parents and children (yes they are still children) focus on what they perceive to be greatness in their abilities, they really need to go out and play hard and lose to understand that hard work will get them further in life than being handed to them because they believe they are that good. The Brine program might not be perfect but they are far more fare in their process than many of the tryouts and programs we have come across on Long Island.

Great post. Congratulations to your son!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does a last name make a good player? Seeing it happen all to often at tryouts.

Apparently yours does not.

My son made the team. Did I touch a nerve? Guilt by association? Feeble minds are so easily goaded into revealing the truth.

Nope...not a nerve touched and no guilt. My son made the team, based on pure talent! Just sick of hearing the whining & annonymous nasty posts. Im sure its going to be fun listening to you on the sidelines of this tournament!

So why bash a simple question. There are and always will be players who make teams and take up spots of players who deserve to be there just based upon thier pedigree. I am glad your son made it but why be a jerk when some asks a question. What is nasty about it? Not calling any individual out just making an observation. Maybe the selection process for this event was or is different than others but in past 2017 events some choices have been questionable and then you find out last names or team affiliations. This is a discussion forum.

I have to start with, that was not a simple question. There has been a whole lot of bashing going on regarding this team selection. These are 13 year old boys & very talented ones @ that. Your "observation" is your opinion. You made the accusations of "touching a nerve" or being "guilty by association" & went as far as calling me "feeble minded" & now Im a "jerk". Talk about bashing! As I explained Im none of the above. I am just sick of hearing all the "Lax Daddys" that know better.

Ok in my opinion it was a simple question. So much talent and happy my son is part of it. When I said how important is a last name the response was "apparently yours isn't" that's not being a bit condescending? In my opinion it is. The fact that my son made it on talent and not on lacrosse pedigree makes me proud. I am no way questioning the overall talent of these 2017 boys but the selection process. Why get so upset with my opinion. Debate discuss its all good. I apologize for my feeble minded comment but my interpretation of your response was that maybe just maybe your 13 year old made the team because of the team he played on etc. I am not saying he did and have no idea. It's just that as in another post talent by association. Please don't take it as I am referring about your child. Just wish the selection process were different. As a lacrosse parent I have seen the faults in the process these past 2 years.

I'm just trying to figure out your thought process. You're saying that the whole selection process was biased and 24 mediocre players were selected soley based on their club affiliation or last name .. EXCEPT for your son who is so talented that the even the most corrupt evaluators had to put him on the team???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm ju[i][/i]st trying to figure out your thought process. You're saying that the whole selection process was biased and 24 mediocre players were selected soley based on their club affiliation or last name .. EXCEPT for your son who is so talented that the even the most corrupt evaluators had to put him on the team???

Your joking right? Please read what I wrote. The process is flawed. Didn't say anything you just posted. I didn't say these players were at all mediocre. It's one of the most talented groups of player long island has seen in a long time. Just a few selections that were made possibly due to pedigree, or team affiliation. No one is corrupt, you said that.

I have to disagree. I watched the tryouts on that cold Dec. 1 day and the boys selected, in my opinion, truly stood our amongst the rest. The kids invited back for the call back was quite accurate, if a child did not attend the call back, well they have bigger issues. The biggest flaw that i saw in the process is that they stated that there would be the selected called back players with any pre-registers that could not attend the Dec. 1 date yet, there had to be and additional 70+ players who showed up and the space was not setup to accommodate all of them. Heck, there were 30+ defense players, i don't think the Dec. 1 day had that many.
In my opinion.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Brine Middle School tryout results:

Insane Roster. Incredible talent. The very best Boys of 2017 that long Island has to offer. Going to be tough for other regions to match.

The 2016 and 2015 ages should look very closely at the towns where these boys are from because this 2017 bunch will challenge them big time all the way through high school. Starting this coming season. Don't be surprised if some of these 2017 boys bypass MS and JV altogether - even in the best lax districts.

I don't know about that. Besides the Turtles not one of the better 2017 teams on Long Island can compete with ANY of the top 3 or 4 2016 teams. 10 or 12 goal differential.
And, unlike the better 2016 players, the better 2017 players all seem to be, for the most part, smaller players. Don't know how big they will get in H.S. And size becomes a huge factor in H.S.

Na

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm ju[i][/i]st trying to figure out your thought process. You're saying that the whole selection process was biased and 24 mediocre players were selected soley based on their club affiliation or last name .. EXCEPT for your son who is so talented that the even the most corrupt evaluators had to pHS him on the team???

Your joking right? Please read what I wrote. The process is flawed. Didn't say anything you just posted. I didn't say these players were at all mediocre. It's one of the most talented groups of player long island has seen in a long time. Just a few selections that were made possibly due to pedigree, or team affiliation. No one is corrupt, you said that.

I'm assuming the last post was a bit sarcastic but, your simple question" was an accusation that some of these players (of course not your son) were not qualified, just had "lacrosse pedigree". Some people take offense to that. I did. My son works his a** off, as do the other boys on these teams. To hear parents saying otherwise is offensive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 2016 and 2015 ages should look very closely at the towns where these boys are from because this 2017 bunch will challenge them big time all the way through high school. Starting this coming season. Don't be surprised if some of these 2017 boys bypass MS and JV altogether - even in the best lax districts.

Thanks for the heads up, just bought my 2016 a baseball glove for Christmas

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't know about that. Besides the Turtles not one of the better 2017 teams on Long Island can compete with ANY of the top 3 or 4 2016 teams. 10 or 12 goal differential.
And, unlike the better 2016 players, the better 2017 players all seem to be, for the most part, smaller players. Don't know how big they will get in H.S. And size becomes a huge factor in H.S.

Thats one of the stupidest things I have seen written so far !!!! How about you list the heights/weights of the top players that you seem to know from 2017 and we can then compare your list of heights/weights from the top players on the 2016 teams that you seem to know so deeply. Nah....lets just agree your an idiot !!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't know about that. Besides the Turtles not one of the better 2017 teams on Long Island can compete with ANY of the top 3 or 4 2016 teams. 10 or 12 goal differential.
And, unlike the better 2016 players, the better 2017 players all seem to be, for the most part, smaller players. Don't know how big they will get in H.S. And size becomes a huge factor in H.S.

Agree. Stick skills are great but in HS you also need size, speed and strength or you will get crushed.

Man,it's going to be a long winter......

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't know about that. Besides the Turtles not one of the better 2017 teams on Long Island can compete with ANY of the top 3 or 4 2016 teams. 10 or 12 goal differential.
And, unlike the better 2016 players, the better 2017 players all seem to be, for the most part, smaller players. Don't know how big they will get in H.S. And size becomes a huge factor in H.S.

Agree. Stick skills are great but in HS you also need size, speed and strength or you will get crushed.

Oh brother......really....crushed !!!!! what a backward thinking Buffooon... nah...same idiot as previous post !!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't know about that. Besides the Turtles not one of the better 2017 teams on Long Island can compete with ANY of the top 3 or 4 2016 teams. 10 or 12 goal differential.
And, unlike the better 2016 players, the better 2017 players all seem to be, for the most part, smaller players. Don't know how big they will get in H.S. And size becomes a huge factor in H.S.

I agree a year makes a BIG difference! Coming into HS there could be a 3-4 year difference. There are some 2017 BIG boys that are talented. Lets see what happens in the spring.

Some of you may need to be reminded of the following definition when discussing your child. Its a long road ahead and some Humility will serve you well.

Humility (adjectival form: humble) is the quality of being modest and respectful. Humility, in various interpretations, is widely seen as a virtue in many religious and philosophical traditions, being connected with notions of egolessness.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some of you may need to be reminded of the following definition when discussing your child. Its a long road ahead and some Humility will serve you well.

Humility (adjectival form: humble) is the quality of being modest and respectful. Humility, in various interpretations, is widely seen as a virtue in many religious and philosophical traditions, being connected with notions of egolessness.

hypocrite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some of you may need to be reminded of the following definition when discussing your child. Its a long road ahead and some Humility will serve you well.

Humility (adjectival form: humble) is the quality of being modest and respectful. Humility, in various interpretations, is widely seen as a virtue in many religious and philosophical traditions, being connected with notions of egolessness.

nice, Grasshopper. I doubt that you are very good with a stick!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't know about that. Besides the Turtles not one of the better 2017 teams on Long Island can compete with ANY of the top 3 or 4 2016 teams. 10 or 12 goal differential.
And, unlike the better 2016 players, the better 2017 players all seem to be, for the most part, smaller players. Don't know how big they will get in H.S. And size becomes a huge factor in H.S.

I agree a year makes a BIG difference! Coming into HS there could be a 3-4 year difference. There are some 2017 BIG boys that are talented. Lets see what happens in the spring.

Size is less of and issue than you might think... This is lacrosse not football. The AVG size of a D1 middie is 6'0" 180. That's not small, but not that big either. SPEED is the real HUGE factor. Now, if you have the speed and bigger size, that's another story.

Guys from the 80's to now the difference in player size is night and day. The atheletes of today are bigger stronger and faster than ever before. Yes there were big athletes then but as a whole the overall player is bigger etc. There are different atheletes joining the game of lacrosse in the past few years as there are different regions being introduced to it. We will always see an evolution of the player and the game.

I was a 4 year starter - division 1 middie in the 80's. 6 foot 195 lbs. clocked at 4.6 or faster on a regular basis. I was considered a big,fast middie. Now it definately seems all middies have those stats. It's just evolution of the sport. Even though its not "football" I think that the size helps in simple things like boxing out for a ground ball. As far as going to the cage, its all about physics, if 2 middies have the same speed, and similar stick skills but one weighs 150 lbs and one weighs 200 lbs, I'll put my money on the bigger kid. In boxing, they always say a great big man will beat a great little man.

Don't kid yourself, size does matter at any age. Look at this earlier post from the 2016 thread below. If size matters to Pietramala then size matters for everybody. Also, anectdotally, looking at alot of early recruiting (2015) postings on inside lacrosse - many of the kids are described as 6ft 2/3in.

Some early recruiting lessons:

"It's awfully difficult to evaluate what a kid's going to be like seven years from now," Pietramala says. "I'm in there saying: 'How big is mom? How big is dad? How tall is grandpa?' "

Lesson - Keep your short, dumpy wife/husband as far away from Petro and other D1 coaches as possible! Instead, hire a 6ft 2in slim model for the day and parade him/her around the Jake Reed camp - your kid will be verbaled by the time you get home.

Seriously, this is what it's come to. Talk about being at the mercy of a less than a perfect system. Yikes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't kid yourself, size does matter at any age. Look at this earlier post from the 2016 thread below. If size matters to Pietramala then size matters for everybody. Also, anectdotally, looking at alot of early recruiting (2015) postings on inside lacrosse - many of the kids are described as 6ft 2/3in.

Some early recruiting lessons:

"It's awfully difficult to evaluate what a kid's going to be like seven years from now," Pietramala says. "I'm in there saying: 'How big is mom? How big is dad? How tall is grandpa?' "

Lesson - Keep your short, dumpy wife/husband as far away from Petro and other D1 coaches as possible! Instead, hire a 6ft 2in slim model for the day and parade him/her around the Jake Reed camp - your kid will be verbaled by the time you get home.

Seriously, this is what it's come to. Talk about being at the mercy of a less than a perfect system. Yikes.

Hard to argue this point with anyone. But if it is so important how are 3 of the top 5 point leaders on Hopkins under 6 foot? Its important but there is much more than just being big.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't kid yourself, size does matter at any age. Look at this earlier post from the 2016 thread below. If size matters to Pietramala then size matters for everybody. Also, anectdotally, looking at alot of early recruiting (2015) postings on inside lacrosse - many of the kids are described as 6ft 2/3in.

Some early recruiting lessons:

"It's awfully difficult to evaluate what a kid's going to be like seven years from now," Pietramala says. "I'm in there saying: 'How big is mom? How big is dad? How tall is grandpa?' "

Lesson - Keep your short, dumpy wife/husband as far away from Petro and other D1 coaches as possible! Instead, hire a 6ft 2in slim model for the day and parade him/her around the Jake Reed camp - your kid will be verbaled by the time you get home.

Seriously, this is what it's come to. Talk about being at the mercy of a less than a perfect system. Yikes.

North Carolina has 4 of the top 5 in points under 6ft.
Jordan Wolf at Duke led the team and he's 5' 9"

Yes there are exceptions to any rule about height and size, but the size of the heart is immeasurable!!!

And what's wrong with all of the great D3 programs or non-top-20 D1 programs where "ACC-size" is not a major criteria?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes there are exceptions to any rule about height and size, but the size of the heart is immeasurable!!!

BINGO!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have to disagree. I watched the tryouts on that cold Dec. 1 day and the boys selected, in my opinion, truly stood our amongst the rest. The kids invited back for the call back was quite accurate, if a child did not attend the call back, well they have bigger issues. The biggest flaw that i saw in the process is that they stated that there would be the selected called back players with any pre-registers that could not attend the Dec. 1 date yet, there had to be and additional 70+ players who showed up and the space was not setup to accommodate all of them. Heck, there were 30+ defense players, i don't think the Dec. 1 day had that many.
In my opinion.

Sorry had to revisit this- 2017 lots of great players and great team(s) formed. Congratulations to all the players who shined. Have to laugh though, kid doesn't make the premier NORTH team and dad whines and screams on here and to anyone who will listen. Refuses to show for call back as he/his son is too good for SOUTH team. Final rosters are formed and days later kid appears on SOUTH roster despite not attending call back. Guess squeaky (crying) wheel gets the grease and SOUTH is good enough if you have NOTHING AT ALL.

Must be low day at work, very sad post. I moved on and have nothing but nice things to say about kids and parents. maybe you should to the same.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have to disagree. I watched the tryouts on that cold Dec. 1 day and the boys selected, in my opinion, truly stood our amongst the rest. The kids invited back for the call back was quite accurate, if a child did not attend the call back, well they have bigger issues. The biggest flaw that i saw in the process is that they stated that there would be the selected called back players with any pre-registers that could not attend the Dec. 1 date yet, there had to be and additional 70+ players who showed up and the space was not setup to accommodate all of them. Heck, there were 30+ defense players, i don't think the Dec. 1 day had that many.
In my opinion.

Sorry had to revisit this- 2017 lots of great players and great team(s) formed. Congratulations to all the players who shined. Have to laugh though, kid doesn't make the premier NORTH team and dad whines and screams on here and to anyone who will listen. Refuses to show for call back as he/his son is too good for SOUTH team. Final rosters are formed and days later kid appears on SOUTH roster despite not attending call back. Guess squeaky (crying) wheel gets the grease and SOUTH is good enough if you have NOTHING AT ALL.

How do you know which kid it was? I looked at the roster and could not find anyone named ANONYMOUS anyhwere.

Loyola - National Champions

Top 10 scorers

Lusby - 6'0" 190
Sawyer - 6'0" 180
Ward - 5'10" 180
Butts - 6'2" 190
Osullivan - 5'9" 190
Layne - 5'9" 175
Ratliff - 6'0" 185
Byrnes - 6'1" 190
Dalton - 6'2" 200
Dobson - 6'5" 215

7 of 10 - six foot or taller

Average height 6'0"
Average weight 189

Maryland - 2012 Runner Up

Cummings - 5'11" 190
Blye - 6'3" 185
Haus - 6'0" 185
Snider - 6'0" 175
Gribbin - 5'10" 180
Cooper - 6'4" 190
Chanenchuk - 5'11" 180
Shakespeare - 6'1" 200
Carlson - 6'0" 185
Carr - 6'2" 205

7 of 10 - six foot or taller

Average height 6'0"
Average weight 188

Can anyone argue that this formula doesn't work?
Maybe North Carolina and Duke should re-examine their recruiting policies.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Loyola - National Champions

Top 10 scorers

Lusby - 6'0" 190
Sawyer - 6'0" 180
Ward - 5'10" 180
Butts - 6'2" 190
Osullivan - 5'9" 190
Layne - 5'9" 175
Ratliff - 6'0" 185
Byrnes - 6'1" 190
Dalton - 6'2" 200
Dobson - 6'5" 215

7 of 10 - six foot or taller

Average height 6'0"
Average weight 189

Maryland - 2012 Runner Up

Cummings - 5'11" 190
Blye - 6'3" 185
Haus - 6'0" 185
Snider - 6'0" 175
Gribbin - 5'10" 180
Cooper - 6'4" 190
Chanenchuk - 5'11" 180
Shakespeare - 6'1" 200
Carlson - 6'0" 185
Carr - 6'2" 205

7 of 10 - six foot or taller

Average height 6'0"
Average weight 188

Can anyone argue that this formula doesn't work?
Maybe North Carolina and Duke should re-examine their recruiting policies.

Very tough argument as said earlier. But i'll bet my house that those listed as 6' are more like 5' 11". And how many NC does MD and Loyola have compared to the field?

Notre Dame's top 10 scorers are an average height of 6'0" and average weight 183 lbs also - just saying

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have to disagree. I watched the tryouts on that cold Dec. 1 day and the boys selected, in my opinion, truly stood our amongst the rest. The kids invited back for the call back was quite accurate, if a child did not attend the call back, well they have bigger issues. The biggest flaw that i saw in the process is that they stated that there would be the selected called back players with any pre-registers that could not attend the Dec. 1 date yet, there had to be and additional 70+ players who showed up and the space was not setup to accommodate all of them. Heck, there were 30+ defense players, i don't think the Dec. 1 day had that many.
In my opinion.

Sorry had to revisit this- 2017 lots of great players and great team(s) formed. Congratulations to all the players who shined. Have to laugh though, kid doesn't make the premier NORTH team and dad whines and screams on here and to anyone who will listen. Refuses to show for call back as he/his son is too good for SOUTH team. Final rosters are formed and days later kid appears on SOUTH roster despite not attending call back. Guess squeaky (crying) wheel gets the grease and SOUTH is good enough if you have NOTHING AT ALL.

How do you know which kid it was? I looked at the roster and could not find anyone named ANONYMOUS anyhwere.

Just like travel ball who cares where you live, tryout and we will put you on a team if it is felt it is deserved. Why isnt LI south represented of South Shore players 9only 5 towns i see from the list from South Shore) and North represented of North Shore. And to put Northern West on there... i guess it was just like the Empires with NYC filled with LI boys.

Also, I retract my Duke recruiting comment.

There top 10 scorers average 6'0" and 189 lbs

agreed - forum originally started with the "trends" of how size is becoming more important. I would bet my bottom dollar that the team that wins the National Championship next year will have their top 10 scorers averaging 6 foot in height and around 190 in weight. I'm not saying that there arent exceptions to the rule and there are definately kids that have more heart than others. What I'm saying is that If I was a Division 1 College coach I would definately be giving serious thought to what potential a kid has due to genetics. Also, if anyone had the time to go back over the last 40+ years and go over all the Championship teams, there were plenty that had "big" kids playing. I know that back in late 80's when Syracuse was dominating they had 2 big middies with the last name of Gait, they were both around 6'2" and weighed over 200 lbs. Maybe they were the trend setters.

Team

Championships

Appearances

Winning Years

Syracuse (a)

10 Championships

16 Appearances

1983, 1988, 1989, 1993, 1995, 2000, 2002, 2004, 2008, 2009

Johns Hopkins

9 Championships

18 Appearances

1974, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1984, 1985, 1987, 2005, 2007

Princeton

6 Championships

8 Appearances

1992, 1994, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2001

Virginia

5 Championships

9 Appearances

1972, 1999, 2003, 2006, 2011

North Carolina

4 Championships

5 Appearances

1981, 1982, 1986, 1991

Cornell

3 Championships

7 Appearances

1971, 1976, 1977

Maryland

2 Championships

11 Appearances

1973, 1975

Duke

1 Championships

3 Appearances

2010

Loyola

1 Championship

2 Appearances

2012

Navy

0 Championships

2 Appearances

Massachusetts

0 Championships

1 Appearances

Towson

0 Championships

1 Appearances

Notre Dame

0 Championships

1 Appearances

Did your kid make it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have to disagree. I watched the tryouts on that cold Dec. 1 day and the boys selected, in my opinion, truly stood our amongst the rest. The kids invited back for the call back was quite accurate, if a child did not attend the call back, well they have bigger issues. The biggest flaw that i saw in the process is that they stated that there would be the selected called back players with any pre-registers that could not attend the Dec. 1 date yet, there had to be and additional 70+ players who showed up and the space was not setup to accommodate all of them. Heck, there were 30+ defense players, i don't think the Dec. 1 day had that many.
In my opinion.

Sorry had to revisit this- 2017 lots of great players and great team(s) formed. Congratulations to all the players who shined. Have to laugh though, kid doesn't make the premier NORTH team and dad whines and screams on here and to anyone who will listen. Refuses to show for call back as he/his son is too good for SOUTH team. Final rosters are formed and days later kid appears on SOUTH roster despite not attending call back. Guess squeaky (crying) wheel gets the grease and SOUTH is good enough if you have NOTHING AT ALL.

How do you know which kid it was? I looked at the roster and could not find anyone named ANONYMOUS anyhwere.

Just like travel ball who cares where you live, tryout and we will put you on a team if it is felt it is deserved. Why isnt LI south represented of South Shore players 9only 5 towns i see from the list from South Shore) and North represented of North Shore. And to put Northern West on there... i guess it was just like the Empires with NYC filled with LI boys.

Duh! There is an A and a B. Is THAT not OK, now? You know, where a BETTER team competes against the BETTER teams from other areas. Naming them "North" and "South" is done so that kids can't figure out which is the stronger team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have to disagree. I watched the tryouts on that cold Dec. 1 day and the boys selected, in my opinion, truly stood our amongst the rest. The kids invited back for the call back was quite accurate, if a child did not attend the call back, well they have bigger issues. The biggest flaw that i saw in the process is that they stated that there would be the selected called back players with any pre-registers that could not attend the Dec. 1 date yet, there had to be and additional 70+ players who showed up and the space was not setup to accommodate all of them. Heck, there were 30+ defense players, i don't think the Dec. 1 day had that many.
In my opinion.

Sorry had to revisit this- 2017 lots of great players and great team(s) formed. Congratulations to all the players who shined. Have to laugh though, kid doesn't make the premier NORTH team and dad whines and screams on here and to anyone who will listen. Refuses to show for call back as he/his son is too good for SOUTH team. Final rosters are formed and days later kid appears on SOUTH roster despite not attending call back. Guess squeaky (crying) wheel gets the grease and SOUTH is good enough if you have NOTHING AT ALL.

How do you know which kid it was? I looked at the roster and could not find anyone named ANONYMOUS anyhwere.

Sorry- person's correct. I DO know of one kid fitting that description, and the dad is a BIG squeaker.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have to disagree. I watched the tryouts on that cold Dec. 1 day and the boys selected, in my opinion, truly stood our amongst the rest. The kids invited back for the call back was quite accurate, if a child did not attend the call back, well they have bigger issues. The biggest flaw that i saw in the process is that they stated that there would be the selected called back players with any pre-registers that could not attend the Dec. 1 date yet, there had to be and additional 70+ players who showed up and the space was not setup to accommodate all of them. Heck, there were 30+ defense players, i don't think the Dec. 1 day had that many.
In my opinion.

Sorry had to revisit this- 2017 lots of great players and great team(s) formed. Congratulations to all the players who shined. Have to laugh though, kid doesn't make the premier NORTH team and dad whines and screams on here and to anyone who will listen. Refuses to show for call back as he/his son is too good for SOUTH team. Final rosters are formed and days later kid appears on SOUTH roster despite not attending call back. Guess squeaky (crying) wheel gets the grease and SOUTH is good enough if you have NOTHING AT ALL.

How do you know which kid it was? I looked at the roster and could not find anyone named ANONYMOUS anyhwere.

Just like travel ball who cares where you live, tryout and we will put you on a team if it is felt it is deserved. Why isnt LI south represented of South Shore players 9only 5 towns i see from the list from South Shore) and North represented of North Shore. And to put Northern West on there... i guess it was just like the Empires with NYC filled with LI boys.

You do realize the North & South LI teams are just other names for A & B teams, right?

Regardless, still an acomplishment if you are considered in the top 50 out of several hundred on long island in the grade. I'll take a team with 26-50 from Long Island against any "A" team from elsewhere in the country any day. Congrats to everybody who made either team. There are plenty of disappointed really good players who did not make the "B" team. Quite an accomplishment to make either team.

Hey if you know me stop talking like a little girl, and call me like a man.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Regardless, still an acomplishment if you are considered in the top 50 out of several hundred on long island in the grade. I'll take a team with 26-50 from Long Island against any "A" team from elsewhere in the country any day. Congrats to everybody who made either team. There are plenty of disappointed really good players who did not make the "B" team. Quite an accomplishment to make either team.

Absolutely agree with you. Just stating to the poster above that the names do not indicate where you live ("north" & "south" shore of LI) It should be a great tournament for the LI boys.

I believe that the trump move there would've been actually signing your name. (not "anony-mouse")

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I believe that the trump move there would've been actually signing your name. (not "anony-mouse")

"LIKE"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Regardless, still an acomplishment if you are considered in the top 50 out of several hundred on long island in the grade. I'll take a team with 26-50 from Long Island against any "A" team from elsewhere in the country any day. Congrats to everybody who made either team. There are plenty of disappointed really good players who did not make the "B" team. Quite an accomplishment to make either team.

Have to diasagree with you here. Although there are some very good players on both teams, these are not the top 50 players on Long Island at the age group. How they decided to put any players on the team other than 2017 kids is way beyond me with the talent level that was out there. Clearly favors were done so for some its less of an accomplishment than you think. I guess thats always going to the case with these things.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Regardless, still an acomplishment if you are considered in the top 50 out of several hundred on long island in the grade. I'll take a team with 26-50 from Long Island against any "A" team from elsewhere in the country any day. Congrats to everybody who made either team. There are plenty of disappointed really good players who did not make the "B" team. Quite an accomplishment to make either team.

Have to diasagree with you here. Although there are some very good players on both teams, these are not the top 50 players on Long Island at the age group. How they decided to put any players on the team other than 2017 kids is way beyond me with the talent level that was out there. Clearly favors were done so for some its less of an accomplishment than you think. I guess thats always going to the case with these things.

Anybody who knows the 2018s on the team also knows that they are as good if not better than most 2017s. They belong, so just get over it.

B.S. please.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Regardless, still an acomplishment if you are considered in the top 50 out of several hundred on long island in the grade. I'll take a team with 26-50 from Long Island against any "A" team from elsewhere in the country any day. Congrats to everybody who made either team. There are plenty of disappointed really good players who did not make the "B" team. Quite an accomplishment to make either team.

.
Have to diasagree with you here. Although there are some very good players on both teams, these are not the top 50 players on Long Island at the age group. How they decided to put any players on the team other than 2017 kids is way beyond me with the talent level that was out there. Clearly favors were done so for some its less of an accomplishment than you think. I guess thats always going to the case with these things.

Anybody who knows the 2018s on the team also knows that they are as good if not better than most 2017s. They belong, so just get over it.

Im sure your son is a good player. Gonna have to disagree with you on that statement though, too many good players at the 2017 age group at that tryout to take any younger players. Not a matter of getting over it, just stating facts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Regardless, still an acomplishment if you are considered in the top 50 out of several hundred on long island in the grade. I'll take a team with 26-50 from Long Island against any "A" team from elsewhere in the country any day. Congrats to everybody who made either team. There are plenty of disappointed really good players who did not make the "B" team. Quite an accomplishment to make either team. [/

Have to diasagree with you here. Although there are some very good players on both teams, these are not the top 50 players on Long Island at the age group. How they decided to put any players on the team other than 2017 kids is way beyond me with the talent level that was out there. Clearly favors were done so for some its less of an accomplishment than you think. I guess thats always going to the case with these things.

Anybody who knows the 2018s on the team also knows that they are as good if not better than most 2017s. They belong, so just get over it.

OK, lets not get crazy!! I agree the previous poster should get over it but, the "if not better than most 2017s" comment is a little far fetched!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Regardless, still an acomplishment if you are considered in the top 50 out of several hundred on long island in the grade. I'll take a team with 26-50 from Long Island against any "A" team from elsewhere in the country any day. Congrats to everybody who made either team. There are plenty of disappointed really good players who did not make the "B" team. Quite an accomplishment to make either team. [/

Have to diasagree with you here. Although there are some very good players on both teams, these are not the top 50 players on Long Island at the age group. How they decided to put any players on the team other than 2017 kids is way beyond me with the talent level that was out there. Clearly favors were done so for some its less of an accomplishment than you think. I guess thats always going to the case with these things.

Anybody who knows the 2018s on the team also knows that they are as good if not better than most 2017s. They belong, so just get over it.

OK, lets not get crazy!! I agree the previous poster should get over it but, the "if not better than most 2017s" comment is a little far fetched!

Is it possible that they ARE good, the 2017 crew? Turtles, 91, Express, fl$, etc.? NAH! Some guy said they were all favors. Nuff said! (too much holiday cheer?)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Regardless, still an acomplishment if you are considered in the top 50 out of several hundred on long island in the grade. I'll take a team with 26-50 from Long Island against any "A" team from elsewhere in the country any day. Congrats to everybody who made either team. There are plenty of disappointed really good players who did not make the "B" team. Quite an accomplishment to make either team. [/

Have to diasagree with you here. Although there are some very good players on both teams, these are not the top 50 players on Long Island at the age group. How they decided to put any players on the team other than 2017 kids is way beyond me with the talent level that was out there. Clearly favors were done so for some its less of an accomplishment than you think. I guess thats always going to the case with these things.

Anybody who knows the 2018s on the team also knows that they are as good if not better than most 2017s. They belong, so just get over it.

OK, lets not get crazy!! I agree the previous poster should get over it but, the "if not better than most 2017s" comment is a little far fetched!

Is it possible that they ARE good, the 2017 crew? Turtles, 91, Express, fl$, etc.? NAH! Some guy said they were all favors. Nuff said! (too much holiday cheer?)

Maybe I dont understand but are you saying that there are enough 2017 players on those teams to have filled the roster rather than do favors or go by a last name or team affiliation and put a 2018 player on the team. If thats what your saying I agree. Look at the goalie position. Had to be said sorry.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Regardless, still an acomplishment if you are considered in the top 50 out of several hundred on long island in the grade. I'll take a team with 26-50 from Long Island against any "A" team from elsewhere in the country any day. Congrats to everybody who made either team. There are plenty of disappointed really good players who did not make the "B" team. Quite an accomplishment to make either team. [/

Have to diasagree with you here. Although there are some very good players on both teams, these are not the top 50 players on Long Island at the age group. How they decided to put any players on the team other than 2017 kids is way beyond me with the talent level that was out there. Clearly favors were done so for some its less of an accomplishment than you think. I guess thats always going to the case with these things.

Anybody who knows the 2018s on the team also knows that they are as good if not better than most 2017s. They belong, so just get over it.

OK, lets not get crazy!! I agree the previous poster should get over it but, the "if not better than most 2017s" comment is a little far fetched!

Is it possible that they ARE good, the 2017 crew? Turtles, 91, Express, fl$, etc.? NAH! Some guy said they were all favors. Nuff said! (too much holiday cheer?)

Maybe I dont understand but are you saying that there are enough 2017 players on those teams to have filled the roster rather than do favors or go by a last name or team affiliation and put a 2018 player on the team. If thats what your saying I agree. Look at the goalie position. Had to be said sorry.

I think the general tone of the discussion is that there were enough extremely talented players at the 2017 age group to make two very good teams. The 2018 kids will have their chance next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Regardless, still an acomplishment if you are considered in the top 50 out of several hundred on long island in the grade. I'll take a team with 26-50 from Long Island against any "A" team from elsewhere in the country any day. Congrats to everybody who made either team. There are plenty of disappointed really good players who did not make the "B" team. Quite an accomplishment to make either team. [/

Have to diasagree with you here. Although there are some very good players on both teams, these are not the top 50 players on Long Island at the age group. How they decided to put any players on the team other than 2017 kids is way beyond me with the talent level that was out there. Clearly favors were done so for some its less of an accomplishment than you think. I guess thats always going to the case with these things.

Anybody who knows the 2018s on the team also knows that they are as good if not better than most 2017s. They belong, so just get over it.

OK, lets not get crazy!! I agree the previous poster should get over it but, the "if not better than most 2017s" comment is a little far fetched!

Is it possible that they ARE good, the 2017 crew? Turtles, 91, Express, fl$, etc.? NAH! Some guy said they were all favors. Nuff said! (too much holiday cheer?)

Maybe I dont understand but are you saying that there are enough 2017 players on those teams to have filled the roster rather than do favors or go by a last name or team affiliation and put a 2018 player on the team. If thats what your saying I agree. Look at the goalie position. Had to be said sorry.

I think the general tone of the discussion is that there were enough extremely talented players at the 2017 age group to make two very good teams. The 2018 kids will have their chance next year.

Its not like they have 30 on the roster and gave out 4 favors that wouldn't hurt the team. Top to bottom they went with the best players that would give them the best chance of competing. Why would they purposely weaken the team and hurt the teams ability to compete? Sending a seriously deficient team would just de-legitimize and embarass the organization and hurt the program's credibility and long term prosperity. They are smarter than that and I'm sure not willing to sacrifice the long term good of the program for any supposed short term favors. Sorry, your acusations just don't hold water. Period, end of story.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Regardless, still an acomplishment if you are considered in the top 50 out of several hundred on long island in the grade. I'll take a team with 26-50 from Long Island against any "A" team from elsewhere in the country any day. Congrats to everybody who made either team. There are plenty of disappointed really good players who did not make the "B" team. Quite an accomplishment to make either team. [/

Have to diasagree with you here. Although there are some very good players on both teams, these are not the top 50 players on Long Island at the age group. How they decided to put any players on the team other than 2017 kids is way beyond me with the talent level that was out there. Clearly favors were done so for some its less of an accomplishment than you think. I guess thats always going to the case with these things.

Anybody who knows the 2018s on the team also knows that they are as good if not better than most 2017s. They belong, so just get over it.

OK, lets not get crazy!! I agree the previous poster should get over it but, the "if not better than most 2017s" comment is a little far fetched!

Is it possible that they ARE good, the 2017 crew? Turtles, 91, Express, fl$, etc.? NAH! Some guy said they were all favors. Nuff said! (too much holiday cheer?)

Maybe I dont understand but are you saying that there are enough 2017 players on those teams to have filled the roster rather than do favors or go by a last name or team affiliation and put a 2018 player on the team. If thats what your saying I agree. Look at the goalie position. Had to be said sorry.

I think the general tone of the discussion is that there were enough extremely talented players at the 2017 age group to make two very good teams. The 2018 kids will have their chance next year.

Its not like they have 30 on the roster and gave out 4 favors that wouldn't hurt the team. Top to bottom they went with the best players that would give them the best chance of competing. Why would they purposely weaken the team and hurt the teams ability to compete? Sending a seriously deficient team would just de-legitimize and embarass the organization and hurt the program's credibility and long term prosperity. They are smarter than that and I'm sure not willing to sacrifice the long term good of the program for any supposed short term favors. Sorry, your acusations just don't hold water. Period, end of story.

First off, if you were at the tryout you would know what everyone is talking about. Secondly, if you think that favors arent done and phone calls arent made,you are being naive. Noone said the team wouldnt be competetive, but the disparity between the North team and the South team is noticeable. The fact that they put younger kids on the South team given the depth of the talent at the 2017 age group is curious. All credit to those younger kids that made it, however I do think some very good players were overlooked.

Anybody who knows the 2018s on the team also knows that they are as good if not better than most 2017s. They belong, so just get over it. [/quote]

OK, lets not get crazy!! I agree the previous poster should get over it but, the "if not better than most 2017s" comment is a little far fetched! [/quote]
Is it possible that they ARE good, the 2017 crew? Turtles, 91, Express, fl$, etc.? NAH! Some guy said they were all favors. Nuff said! (too much holiday cheer?) [/quote]

Maybe I dont understand but are you saying that there are enough 2017 players on those teams to have filled the roster rather than do favors or go by a last name or team affiliation and put a 2018 player on the team. If thats what your saying I agree. Look at the goalie position. Had to be said sorry. [/quote]

I think the general tone of the discussion is that there were enough extremely talented players at the 2017 age group to make two very good teams. The 2018 kids will have their chance next year. [/quote]

Its not like they have 30 on the roster and gave out 4 favors that wouldn't hurt the team. Top to bottom they went with the best players that would give them the best chance of competing. Why would they purposely weaken the team and hurt the teams ability to compete? Sending a seriously deficient team would just de-legitimize and embarass the organization and hurt the program's credibility and long term prosperity. They are smarter than that and I'm sure not willing to sacrifice the long term good of the program for any supposed short term favors. Sorry, your acusations just don't hold water. Period, end of story.

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Please there are only three good goalies in 2017. There were plenty at the tryout and many better than the 2018 that was added. My son did make team and was at first outdoor tryout and is a 2017. His 2017 team goalie was not picked and is an outstanding goalie.

This is laughable because the same 2017 parents claiming they shouldn't have taken any 2018 boys will be crying next year if the high school division doesn't take any freshman

This is the beauty of the process. Anything can happen in a couple of hours. The evaluators are supposed to be blind to past performance and supposed reputation should mean nothing. Otherwise why have a tryout. Maybe your son's team goalie wasn't feeling well or didn't have a great couple of hours. Conversely another kid maybe played over his head "caddy shack-like" for a couple of hours and had the tryout of his life. Trust the process unless you have concrete proof otherwise. If you have proof that something is wrong send Sage an email and coordinate with him to investigate. I know in the high school division there were some surprises too but hardly any flukes - just kids that played better than other kids with better reputations for the duration of the tryout. Thats life and that's how it works, nothing more than that. Maybe johnny who didnt make it is taking things for granted and getting a little complacent from daddy, his coaches and his friends always telling him how wonderful he is and other kids who are hungrier have worked harder and passed him by. Congrats to all who made it.

Please there are only three good goalies in 2017. There were plenty at the tryout and many better than the 2018 that was added. My son did make team and was at first outdoor tryout and is a 2017. His 2017 team goalie was not picked and is an outstanding goalie. [/quote]

Good lesson for you - not everything in high school lacrosse will work out the way your expert eyes see it. It's not a popularity contest and not all of the kids and parents "in the know" will be included in everything. Wait until next year when even more kids develop that you've never heard of - look at the concentration of towns on the middle school teams compared to the lack of concentration of towns in the high school division. The Island is huge and the talent pool is deep in every grade - there will be kids coming out of "nowhere" that will shock you over and over until its too late for you to realize what has happened. Do us all a favor and save us from reading your whining next year - start your own tournament and rig the teams as your expert opinion and your son's best friends would like to see it. Good luck with that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please there are only three good goalies in 2017. There were plenty at the tryout and many better than the 2018 that was added. My son did make team and was at first outdoor tryout and is a 2017. His 2017 team goalie was not picked and is an outstanding goalie.

Good lesson for you - not everything in high school lacrosse will work out the way your expert eyes see it. It's not a popularity contest and not all of the kids and parents "in the know" will be included in everything. Wait until next year when even more kids develop that you've never heard of - look at the concentration of towns on the middle school teams compared to the lack of concentration of towns in the high school division. The Island is huge and the talent pool is deep in every grade - there will be kids coming out of "nowhere" that will shock you over and over until its too late for you to realize what has happened. Do us all a favor and save us from reading your whining next year - start your own tournament and rig the teams as your expert opinion and your son's best friends would like to see it. Good luck with that.

You people need to get over yourselves , if you think the kids that made the teams are the best players on long island you are pathetic. Some of the best players in the age group did not even try-out while some of the best players were not picked because they have no connections. Some of the best players in the age group happen to be some of the best athletes in the age group and are now playing Bball or wrestling at the high school level due to being moved up in age .Yes many of the kids selected are some of the best on the island but please get a clue just because your child made a team does not mean they are headed for a d1 program , many kids will pass them by as the years go on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please there are only three good goalies in 2017. There were plenty at the tryout and many better than the 2018 that was added. My son did make team and was at first outdoor tryout and is a 2017. His 2017 team goalie was not picked and is an outstanding goalie.

Good lesson for you - not everything in high school lacrosse will work out the way your expert eyes see it. It's not a popularity contest and not all of the kids and parents "in the know" will be included in everything. Wait until next year when even more kids develop that you've never heard of - look at the concentration of towns on the middle school teams compared to the lack of concentration of towns in the high school division. The Island is huge and the talent pool is deep in every grade - there will be kids coming out of "nowhere" that will shock you over and over until its too late for you to realize what has happened. Do us all a favor and save us from reading your whining next year - start your own tournament and rig the teams as your expert opinion and your son's best friends would like to see it. Good luck with that.

You people need to get over yourselves , if you think the kids that made the teams are the best players on long island you are pathetic. Some of the best players in the age group did not even try-out while some of the best players were not picked because they have no connections. Some of the best players in the age group happen to be some of the best athletes in the age group and are now playing Bball or wrestling at the high school level due to being moved up in age .Yes many of the kids selected are some of the best on the island but please get a clue just because your child made a team does not mean they are headed for a d1 program , many kids will pass them by as the years go on.

It is you who are pathetic to write a post like this.

My son was picked and I think many would suggest it was not "obvious" choice. And trust me, we have absolutely no connections to the organizers. The only reason I know the organizer's name is because it was on the emails that everybody gets and I still have never spoken a word directly to him. I also have no idea who the evaluators where or who his coach will be during the tournament. No favors here - just a great tryout.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please there are only three good goalies in 2017. There were plenty at the tryout and many better than the 2018 that was added. My son did make team and was at first outdoor tryout and is a 2017. His 2017 team goalie was not picked and is an outstanding goalie.

Good lesson for you - not everything in high school lacrosse will work out the way your expert eyes see it. It's not a popularity contest and not all of the kids and parents "in the know" will be included in everything. Wait until next year when even more kids develop that you've never heard of - look at the concentration of towns on the middle school teams compared to the lack of concentration of towns in the high school division. The Island is huge and the talent pool is deep in every grade - there will be kids coming out of "nowhere" that will shock you over and over until its too late for you to realize what has happened. Do us all a favor and save us from reading your whining next year - start your own tournament and rig the teams as your expert opinion and your son's best friends would like to see it. Good luck with that.

You people need to get over yourselves , if you think the kids that made the teams are the best players on long island you are pathetic. Some of the best players in the age group did not even try-out while some of the best players were not picked because they have no connections. Some of the best players in the age group happen to be some of the best athletes in the age group and are now playing Bball or wrestling at the high school level due to being moved up in age .Yes many of the kids selected are some of the best on the island but please get a clue just because your child made a team does not mean they are headed for a d1 program , many kids will pass them by as the years go on.

I agree with you that there are a few of the best players in this age group were not @ the tryout. Hopefully, next year, they decide to tryout and we will see who makes the team. That some of the best players were just not chosen because they don't have connections? That's BS! Did you watch EVERY kid @ EVERY position @ EVERY moment of BOTH of the tryouts to make these claims? You are just as bad as the parents on here beating their chests that their 13 year old sons made this lax team. Its pathetic! No tryout is or will ever be perfect. Pointing fingers & making accusations annonymously is cowardly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please there are only three good goalies in 2017. There were plenty at the tryout and many better than the 2018 that was added. My son did make team and was at first outdoor tryout and is a 2017. His 2017 team goalie was not picked and is an outstanding goalie.

Good lesson for you - not everything in high school lacrosse will work out the way your expert eyes see it. It's not a popularity contest and not all of the kids and parents "in the know" will be included in everything. Wait until next year when even more kids develop that you've never heard of - look at the concentration of towns on the middle school teams compared to the lack of concentration of towns in the high school division. The Island is huge and the talent pool is deep in every grade - there will be kids coming out of "nowhere" that will shock you over and over until its too late for you to realize what has happened. Do us all a favor and save us from reading your whining next year - start your own tournament and rig the teams as your expert opinion and your son's best friends would like to see it. Good luck with that.

You people need to get over yourselves , if you think the kids that made the teams are the best players on long island you are pathetic. Some of the best players in the age group did not even try-out while some of the best players were not picked because they have no connections. Some of the best players in the age group happen to be some of the best athletes in the age group and are now playing Bball or wrestling at the high school level due to being moved up in age .Yes many of the kids selected are some of the best on the island but please get a clue just because your child made a team does not mean they are headed for a d1 program , many kids will pass them by as the years go on.

eesh sounds like someones son didnt make the team

watched 8th grade true blue vs express terps yesterday winter nationals in NJ it was like a NLL game. very nasty. refs lost control a bit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please there are only three good goalies in 2017. There were plenty at the tryout and many better than the 2018 that was added. My son did make team and was at first outdoor tryout and is a 2017. His 2017 team goalie was not picked and is an outstanding goalie.

Good lesson for you - not everything in high school lacrosse will work out the way your expert eyes see it. It's not a popularity contest and not all of the kids and parents "in the know" will be included in everything. Wait until next year when even more kids develop that you've never heard of - look at the concentration of towns on the middle school teams compared to the lack of concentration of towns in the high school division. The Island is huge and the talent pool is deep in every grade - there will be kids coming out of "nowhere" that will shock you over and over until its too late for you to realize what has happened. Do us all a favor and save us from reading your whining next year - start your own tournament and rig the teams as your expert opinion and your son's best friends would like to see it. Good luck with that.

You people need to get over yourselves , if you think the kids that made the teams are the best players on long island you are pathetic. Some of the best players in the age group did not even try-out while some of the best players were not picked because they have no connections. Some of the best players in the age group happen to be some of the best athletes in the age group and are now playing Bball or wrestling at the high school level due to being moved up in age .Yes many of the kids selected are some of the best on the island but please get a clue just because your child made a team does not mean they are headed for a d1 program , many kids will pass them by as the years go on.

I agree with you that there are a few of the best players in this age group were not @ the tryout. Hopefully, next year, they decide to tryout and we will see who makes the team. That some of the best players were just not chosen because they don't have connections? That's BS! Did you watch EVERY kid @ EVERY position @ EVERY moment of BOTH of the tryouts to make these claims? You are just as bad as the parents on here beating their chests that their 13 year old sons made this lax team. Its pathetic! No tryout is or will ever be perfect. Pointing fingers & making accusations annonymously is cowardly.

In my estimation the Brine tryout was one of the most transparent, fair-minded, least political evaluations of talent that I've seen on the Island. Unlike other well known "tryouts", doesnn't matter one bit what school you go to. How refreshing. And because of that maybe these teams actually have a chance to win something on a national stage.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please there are only three good goalies in 2017. There were plenty at the tryout and many better than the 2018 that was added. My son did make team and was at first outdoor tryout and is a 2017. His 2017 team goalie was not picked and is an outstanding goalie.

Good lesson for you - not everything in high school lacrosse will work out the way your expert eyes see it. It's not a popularity contest and not all of the kids and parents "in the know" will be included in everything. Wait until next year when even more kids develop that you've never heard of - look at the concentration of towns on the middle school teams compared to the lack of concentration of towns in the high school division. The Island is huge and the talent pool is deep in every grade - there will be kids coming out of "nowhere" that will shock you over and over until its too late for you to realize what has happened. Do us all a favor and save us from reading your whining next year - start your own tournament and rig the teams as your expert opinion and your son's best friends would like to see it. Good luck with that.

You people need to get over yourselves , if you think the kids that made the teams are the best players on long island you are pathetic. Some of the best players in the age group did not even try-out while some of the best players were not picked because they have no connections. Some of the best players in the age group happen to be some of the best athletes in the age group and are now playing Bball or wrestling at the high school level due to being moved up in age .Yes many of the kids selected are some of the best on the island but please get a clue just because your child made a team does not mean they are headed for a d1 program , many kids will pass them by as the years go on.

I agree with you that there are a few of the best players in this age group were not @ the tryout. Hopefully, next year, they decide to tryout and we will see who makes the team. That some of the best players were just not chosen because they don't have connections? That's BS! Did you watch EVERY kid @ EVERY position @ EVERY moment of BOTH of the tryouts to make these claims? You are just as bad as the parents on here beating their chests that their 13 year old sons made this lax team. Its pathetic! No tryout is or will ever be perfect. Pointing fingers & making accusations annonymously is cowardly.

In my estimation the Brine tryout was one of the most transparent, fair-minded, least political evaluations of talent that I've seen on the Island. Unlike other well known "tryouts", doesnn't matter one bit what school you go to. How refreshing. And because of that maybe these teams actually have a chance to win something on a national stage.

That's one way to look at it, lol. I guess your son made the team, which is great for you and him. For the most part I think the North team is comprised of the right kids and that team is going to be very difficult to beat. However, fair-minded, transparent and non political would not be the words I would have used. My son did not make either team and that's fine, but I was at both the tryout and the callback and there were clearly kids that were overlooked and left off either team for reasons that I cannot comprehend. There were also kids added after the fact at the expense of better players. So I do agree with you somewhat that at least one of the teams will be competitive, however IMO the tryout and selection process was flawed to say the least.

Coaches were coaching to win rather than develop players and increase skills, that's the problem with Express and TB, ask the kids who didn't play a lot what is most important

Close game---7 - 6! True Blue lost.

Oh Please! In a game like that-- play to win! Develop later!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please there are only three good goalies in 2017. There were plenty at the tryout and many better than the 2018 that was added. My son did make team and was at first outdoor tryout and is a 2017. His 2017 team goalie was not picked and is an outstanding goalie.

Good lesson for you - not everything in high school lacrosse will work out the way your expert eyes see it. It's not a popularity contest and not all of the kids and parents "in the know" will be included in everything. Wait until next year when even more kids develop that you've never heard of - look at the concentration of towns on the middle school teams compared to the lack of concentration of towns in the high school division. The Island is huge and the talent pool is deep in every grade - there will be kids coming out of "nowhere" that will shock you over and over until its too late for you to realize what has happened. Do us all a favor and save us from reading your whining next year - start your own tournament and rig the teams as your expert opinion and your son's best friends would like to see it. Good luck with that.

You people need to get over yourselves , if you think the kids that made the teams are the best players on long island you are pathetic. Some of the best players in the age group did not even try-out while some of the best players were not picked because they have no connections. Some of the best players in the age group happen to be some of the best athletes in the age group and are now playing Bball or wrestling at the high school level due to being moved up in age .Yes many of the kids selected are some of the best on the island but please get a clue just because your child made a team does not mean they are headed for a d1 program , many kids will pass them by as the years go on.

I agree with you that there are a few of the best players in this age group were not @ the tryout. Hopefully, next year, they decide to tryout and we will see who makes the team. That some of the best players were just not chosen because they don't have connections? That's BS! Did you watch EVERY kid @ EVERY position @ EVERY moment of BOTH of the tryouts to make these claims? You are just as bad as the parents on here beating their chests that their 13 year old sons made this lax team. Its pathetic! No tryout is or will ever be perfect. Pointing fingers & making accusations annonymously is cowardly.

In my estimation the Brine tryout was one of the most transparent, fair-minded, least political evaluations of talent that I've seen on the Island. Unlike other well known "tryouts", doesnn't matter one bit what school you go to. How refreshing. And because of that maybe these teams actually have a chance to win something on a national stage.

That's one way to look at it, lol. I guess your son made the team, which is great for you and him. For the most part I think the North team is comprised of the right kids and that team is going to be very difficult to beat. However, fair-minded, transparent and non political would not be the words I would have used. My son did not make either team and that's fine, but I was at both the tryout and the callback and there were clearly kids that were overlooked and left off either team for reasons that I cannot comprehend. There were also kids added after the fact at the expense of better players. So I do agree with you somewhat that at least one of the teams will be competitive, however IMO the tryout and selection process was flawed to say the least.

Too bad you're not one of the evaluators.

Would love to see the turtles play up against the best of 2016. I think they are finally ready to play and beat the Cudas.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would love to see the turtles play up against the best of 2016. I think they are finally ready to play and beat the Cudas.

lol. No way. turtles played a young u13 your nuts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would love to see the turtles play up against the best of 2016. I think they are finally ready to play and beat the Cudas.

LOL...Congratulations on beating up on the "U-13's" in Florida this weekend.

You cant blame the Turtles for the way the event organizers set up and run the tournament. They played and qualified for the brackets that the tournament required to play in. Its not their fault. Any team that makes a financial sacrifice to go to FL this time of year for a lax tournament and wins deserves a Congratulations. I just wish the powers that be at the Dicks event would correct the whole qualifying and age bracket mess. The tournament would be better if they changed the rules.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You cant blame the Turtles for the way the event organizers set up and run the tournament. They played and qualified for the brackets that the tournament required to play in. Its not their fault. Any team that makes a financial sacrifice to go to FL this time of year for a lax tournament and wins deserves a Congratulations. I just wish the powers that be at the Dicks event would correct the whole qualifying and age bracket mess. The tournament would be better if they changed the rules.

How is it NOT the turtles fault when they went there and played? I agree with you on the qualifying process but what teams need to do is enter the fall qualifying tournaments. i know the express 8th grade team did that won a u15 fall tournament but didn't go to florida for some reason

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would love to see the turtles play up against the best of 2016. I think they are finally ready to play and beat the Cudas.

They ARE U13. They ARE fantastic. Why do you not congratulate? You are dangerous.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would love to see the turtles play up against the best of 2016. I think they are finally ready to play and beat the Cudas.

They ARE U13. They ARE fantastic. Why do you not congratulate? You are dangerous.

They are 2017 right? Why not play up a year and see how good they really are? So what if they lose?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would love to see the turtles play up against the best of 2016. I think they are finally ready to play and beat the Cudas.

They ARE U13. They ARE fantastic. Why do you not congratulate? You are dangerous.

They are 2017 right? Why not play up a year and see how good they really are? So what if they lose?

You people are pathetic! Congratulations Turtles on a great tournament

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would love to see the turtles play up against the best of 2016. I think they are finally ready to play and beat the Cudas.

They ARE U13. They ARE fantastic. Why do you not congratulate? You are dangerous.

They are 2017 right? Why not play up a year and see how good they really are? So what if they lose?

Why so sensitive? Nothing wrong with playing up.
You people are pathetic! Congratulations Turtles on a great tournament

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would love to see the turtles play up against the best of 2016. I think they are finally ready to play and beat the Cudas.

They ARE U13. They ARE fantastic. Why do you not congratulate? You are dangerous.

They are 2017 right? Why not play up a year and see how good they really are? So what if they lose?

If they played up, they would have been up 2 years. I have nothing to do with the Turtles, I don't get all the resentment towars 13 year olds who have worked their buts off to be great. They played in their own age group an won! so what? Congratulations! Way to represent Long Island!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would love to see the turtles play up against the best of 2016. I think they are finally ready to play and beat the Cudas.

They ARE U13. They ARE fantastic. Why do you not congratulate? You are dangerous.

They are 2017 right? Why not play up a year and see how good they really are? So what if they lose?

If they played up, they would have been up 2 years. I have nothing to do with the Turtles, I don't get all the resentment towars 13 year olds who have worked their buts off to be great. They played in their own age group an won! so what? Congratulations! Way to represent Long Island!

Don't be so defensive, nobody is criticizing the Turtles. I think the point is that going forward, since the turtles are a 2017 team, why not challenge themselves against some good 2016 teams next summer and enter the U15 national in florida? There are regional qualifying tournaments that I'm sure they can sign up for. If they make it thorugh, they might get matched up with the 2016 cudas, which would be a great matchup.

Winter Nationals Indoor Lacrosse Championship Results

2012/8th Grade Division - 2017 - Wins/Losses

Dukes (Team #5) - 4W-1L
LI Express (Team #6) - 4W-1L
BBL (Team #1) - 2W-2L
fl$ (Team #2) - 2W-2L
True Blue (Team #3) - 1W-3L
STEPS (Team #4) - 0W-4L

Games Results

BBL 8, fl$ 6
True Blue 9, STEPS 7
Express 12, BBL 1
Dukes 15, fl$ 3
Express 8, True Blue 7
Dukes 5, STEPS 3
BBL 7, True Blue 6
fl$ 7, STEPS 5
Dukes 12, Express 8

Semi Finals : Express 9, BBL 3
Semi Finals : Dukes 12, True Blue 7

Finals : Express 12, Dukes 11, Overtime

Originally Posted by CageSage

Winter Nationals Indoor Lacrosse Championship Results

2012/8th Grade Division - 2017 - Wins/Losses

Dukes (Team #5) - 4W-1L
LI Express (Team #6) - 4W-1L
BBL (Team #1) - 2W-2L
fl$ (Team #2) - 2W-2L
True Blue (Team #3) - 1W-3L
STEPS (Team #4) - 0W-4L

Games Results

BBL 8, fl$ 6
True Blue 9, STEPS 7
Express 12, BBL 1
Dukes 15, fl$ 3
Express 8, True Blue 7
Dukes 5, STEPS 3
BBL 7, True Blue 6
fl$ 7, STEPS 5
Dukes 12, Express 8

Semi Finals : Express 9, BBL 3
Semi Finals : Dukes 12, True Blue 7

Finals : Express 12, Dukes 11, Overtime

2017 Terps WIN Winter Nationals & 2017 Turtles WIN Dicks Sporting Goods in Fla! Great way to end the year for Express in 2017 age!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are 2017 right? Why not play up a year and see how good they really are? So what if they lose?

playing up at local tournaments and local games IS a great way to test yourselves but to criticize them for going to Florida and playing in a national tournament in there correct age group is asinine, WTG turtles what ever you are doing keep it up.

Results:

http://ndplacrosse.com/files/boys_u13_27_-_round_robin_-_update_12_29_3pm.pdf

http://ndplacrosse.com/files/boys_u13_playoffs_&_consolation_-_update_-_12_31_4_15pm.pdf

I have to comment by saying you have NO idea of the highest quality coaching that the True Blue players are lucky enough to receive (and the parents can't complain since their fee is almost 1/3 the cost of fees from some "high profile" LI Lax clubs charge...

the 2017 Express Terps earned a big congradulations for winning the NJ tourny... against very good teams, highly competitive games that could have been decided either way!

How would the Express terps do against the turtles?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would love to see the turtles play up against the best of 2016. I think they are finally ready to play and beat the Cudas.

They ARE U13. They ARE fantastic. Why do you not congratulate? You are dangerous.

They are 2017 right? Why not play up a year and see how good they really are? So what if they lose?

If they played up, they would have been up 2 years. I have nothing to do with the Turtles, I don't get all the resentment towars 13 year olds who have worked their buts off to be great. They played in their own age group an won! so what? Congratulations! Way to represent Long Island!

Don't be so defensive, nobody is criticizing the Turtles. I think the point is that going forward, since the turtles are a 2017 team, why not challenge themselves against some good 2016 teams next summer and enter the U15 national in florida? There are regional qualifying tournaments that I'm sure they can sign up for. If they make it thorugh, they might get matched up with the 2016 cudas, which would be a great matchup.

Turtles 10 cudas 4, Bank on it.

The terps would get destroyed. They've already played one another and the Turtles crushed them. There's the Turtles and then everyone else. From, a parent that has nothing to do with the team...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would love to see the turtles play up against the best of 2016. I think they are finally ready to play and beat the Cudas.

They ARE U13. They ARE fantastic. Why do you not congratulate? You are dangerous.

They are 2017 right? Why not play up a year and see how good they really are? So what if they lose?

If they played up, they would have been up 2 years. I have nothing to do with the Turtles, I don't get all the resentment towars 13 year olds who have worked their buts off to be great. They played in their own age group an won! so what? Congratulations! Way to represent Long Island!

Don't be so defensive, nobody is criticizing the Turtles. I think the point is that going forward, since the turtles are a 2017 team, why not challenge themselves against some good 2016 teams next summer and enter the U15 national in florida? There are regional qualifying tournaments that I'm sure they can sign up for. If they make it thorugh, they might get matched up with the 2016 cudas, which would be a great matchup.

Q: What quality 2016 teams did the turtles beat last year?

A: None that I know of. After your nyquil induced fantasy comes to an end, please start with the facts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The terps would get destroyed. They've already played one another and the Turtles crushed them. There's the Turtles and then everyone else. From, a parent that has nothing to do with the team...

Thats why the turtles should try playing up against some 2016s.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would love to see the turtles play up against the best of 2016. I think they are finally ready to play and beat the Cudas.

They ARE U13. They ARE fantastic. Why do you not congratulate? You are dangerous.

They are 2017 right? Why not play up a year and see how good they really are? So what if they lose?

If they played up, they would have been up 2 years. I have nothing to do with the Turtles, I don't get all the resentment towars 13 year olds who have worked their buts off to be great. They played in their own age group an won! so what? Congratulations! Way to represent Long Island!

Don't be so defensive, nobody is criticizing the Turtles. I think the point is that going forward, since the turtles are a 2017 team, why not challenge themselves against some good 2016 teams next summer and enter the U15 national in florida? There are regional qualifying tournaments that I'm sure they can sign up for. If they make it thorugh, they might get matched up with the 2016 cudas, which would be a great matchup.

Q: What quality 2016 teams did the turtles beat last year?

A: None that I know of. After your nyquil induced fantasy comes to an end, please start with the facts.

That will change in 2013 - enjoy the show.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The terps would get destroyed. They've already played one another and the Turtles crushed them. There's the Turtles and then everyone else. From, a parent that has nothing to do with the team...

Thats why the turtles should try playing up against some 2016s.

Forget 2016s, Turtles would even be a tough out for some quality 2015 teams too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The terps would get destroyed. They've already played one another and the Turtles crushed them. There's the Turtles and then everyone else. From, a parent that has nothing to do with the team...

Thats why the turtles should try playing up against some 2016s.

Why dont you just let their coach make decisions for them? He seems to be doing a good job so far! You people know better, right? Hahahahaha

Prediction. First D1 commit from Turtles will be before 2016 cudas.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Prediction. First D1 commit from Turtles will be before 2016 cudas.

Petro should just take the whole team right now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The terps would get destroyed. They've already played one another and the Turtles crushed them. There's the Turtles and then everyone else. From, a parent that has nothing to do with the team...

Thats why the turtles should try playing up against some 2016s.

Seriously, this does make sense. Who else can the Turtles play in 2017 that will give them a challenge? Answer: nobody. If they don't start challenging themselves, they will not realize their full potential. Playing up will help them in the long run.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Prediction. First D1 commit from Turtles will be before 2016 cudas.

OK, Nostradamus! You sound like a lunatic! Grown adults talking about their kids like its their life...SAD

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The terps would get destroyed. They've already played one another and the Turtles crushed them. There's the Turtles and then everyone else. From, a parent that has nothing to do with the team...

Thats why the turtles should try playing up against some 2016s.

Seriously, this does make sense. Who else can the Turtles play in 2017 that will give them a challenge? Answer: nobody. If they don't start challenging themselves, they will not realize their full potential. Playing up will help them in the long run.

They dont challenge themselves? Seriously? They have played up before & did pretty well. They played a National tournament in their own age group & CRUSHED everyone. Good for them! Give them a day to enjoy it! I kinda think their coach knows what he's doing. I doubt he needs advise from the "Pumpkin Patch"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would love to see the turtles play up against the best of 2016. I think they are finally ready to play and beat the Cudas.

They ARE U13. They ARE fantastic. Why do you not congratulate? You are dangerous.

They are 2017 right? Why not play up a year and see how good they really are? So what if they lose?

If they played up, they would have been up 2 years. I have nothing to do with the Turtles, I don't get all the resentment towars 13 year olds who have worked their buts off to be great. They played in their own age group an won! so what? Congratulations! Way to represent Long Island!

Don't be so defensive, nobody is criticizing the Turtles. I think the point is that going forward, since the turtles are a 2017 team, why not challenge themselves against some good 2016 teams next summer and enter the U15 national in florida? There are regional qualifying tournaments that I'm sure they can sign up for. If they make it thorugh, they might get matched up with the 2016 cudas, which would be a great matchup.

Turtles 10 cudas 4, Bank on it.

I'd agree with this prediction IF the turtles played with their off-hand. But that would be silly because the turtles don't have "off-hands".

actually, I believe they played up last year when they won the U-13's in Florida the first time.

There is quite a bit of animosity on this board regarding a successful team. It reflects poorly on the sport in general and the meaning of sportsmanship.

Is this the manner in which you discuss other teams with your children?

Should you not lead by example and urge your children to improve and reach for higher goals personally, academically and athletically, than to bicker back and forth over who is better than who?

Its quite disturbing, really.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

actually, I believe they played up last year when they won the U-13's in Florida the first time.

There is quite a bit of animosity on this board regarding a successful team. It reflects poorly on the sport in general and the meaning of sportsmanship.

Is this the manner in which you discuss other teams with your children?

Should you not lead by example and urge your children to improve and reach for higher goals personally, academically and athletically, than to bicker back and forth over who is better than who?

Its quite disturbing, really.

Amen...

Thank you! Great post and so true.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

actually, I believe they played up last year when they won the U-13's in Florida the first time.

There is quite a bit of animosity on this board regarding a successful team. It reflects poorly on the sport in general and the meaning of sportsmanship.

Is this the manner in which you discuss other teams with your children?

Should you not lead by example and urge your children to improve and reach for higher goals personally, academically and athletically, than to bicker back and forth over who is better than who?

Its quite disturbing, really.

What animosity? I'm not sure where you are coming from with that. All that is being suggested is that the Turtles challenge themselves because they have nothing left to prove in 2017. What's so bad about that suggestion? Hardly antogonistic and certainly not a new concept or unheard of idea - every good team plays up. Relax and don't be so sensitive - nobody is criticizing - just making suggestions to see this team reach its full potential. Is this team immune to suggestion? That would be a problem.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

actually, I believe they played up last year when they won the U-13's in Florida the first time.

There is quite a bit of animosity on this board regarding a successful team. It reflects poorly on the sport in general and the meaning of sportsmanship.

Is this the manner in which you discuss other teams with your children?

Should you not lead by example and urge your children to improve and reach for higher goals personally, academically and athletically, than to bicker back and forth over who is better than who?

Its quite disturbing, really.

What animosity? I'm not sure where you are coming from with that. All that is being suggested is that the Turtles challenge themselves because they have nothing left to prove in 2017. What's so bad about that suggestion? Hardly antogonistic and certainly not a new concept or unheard of idea - every good team plays up. Relax and don't be so sensitive - nobody is criticizing - just making suggestions to see this team reach its full potential. Is this team immune to suggestion? That would be a problem.

Clearly, the animosity term was to be directed at the overall antagonistic positioning historically noted on these many threads regarding this team of young and talented players. They have been, from what I have observed, been tested in numerous instances of "playing up" and quite successfully as well. It is true that a team must continually challenge itself in order to hone it's skills and become further prepared for greater competitions in the future. That being said, it stands that previous threads do in fact regard that winning team with less than the respect it deserves. If this is the prevailing attitude towards one team that may be somewhat better than others, then again, it shows poorly on the overall concept of sportsmanship. Some teams will always be better than others at times. Some will not. Competition proves this out. Why be upset with the results, then?

I believe a coach will have his teams best interest in mind at whatever level he or she chooses to enter said team into competition. It is not for us to challenge that team's choices.

Relax and enjoy your child's experiences and support him or her when they win or lose; but do not begrudge other teams when they win.

It is less than sportsman like.

It is bereft of any sport at all in that case.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

actually, I believe they played up last year when they won the U-13's in Florida the first time.

There is quite a bit of animosity on this board regarding a successful team. It reflects poorly on the sport in general and the meaning of sportsmanship.

Is this the manner in which you discuss other teams with your children?

Should you not lead by example and urge your children to improve and reach for higher goals personally, academically and athletically, than to bicker back and forth over who is better than who?

Its quite disturbing, really.

What animosity? I'm not sure where you are coming from with that. All that is being suggested is that the Turtles challenge themselves because they have nothing left to prove in 2017. What's so bad about that suggestion? Hardly antogonistic and certainly not a new concept or unheard of idea - every good team plays up. Relax and don't be so sensitive - nobody is criticizing - just making suggestions to see this team reach its full potential. Is this team immune to suggestion? That would be a problem.

Your coming on here with all your turtle post banging your chest because you beat 11 & 12 year old kids in Fla. I agree that your turtle team has proven to be a very high level team anywhere in 2017.

Is it true that a new 2017 team in your own backyard go in the same tournament in the same bracket go 3-0 and your turtles went 2-1? I guess that's not important.

As far as the 2016's, you guys last year beat a good 2016 91 White team but you guys struggled. You barely beat a really good 2016 Outlaw team but it was a great win for sure. But you guys lost to several DECENT 2016 teams. And please realize 2016 Cudas & 2016 91 Orange would walk over you.

Maybe you should keep your eye on a couple of those 2017 teams, instead of talking down on them. High level 2016 isn't for your guys, it's proven.

The Turtles are clearly the best team in the country at the 2017 age group and I dont think anyone can dispute that. I have no problem with them going to Dicks and slaughtering everyone if thats what they chose to do. I dont necessarily agree with it, but thats up to their coaches to decide. I think their coaches know whats best for them at this point. Its very hard to argue with their success and I have to say they are a pleasure to watch. Who are we to say who they should play?

Everybody remain calm. Nobody is attacking the turtles. This is just a discussion about how a good team should generally challenge itself - whether its the Turtles or any other very good team. This doesn't have to be directed toward the Turtles specifically but the Turtles are being used as an example because of their recent dominance in Florida. But from what I can see here everybody on the outside looking in seems to have a healthy respect and admiration for the Turtles and its directors and what they have put together. Bravo - we should all wish them well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

actually, I believe they played up last year when they won the U-13's in Florida the first time.

There is quite a bit of animosity on this board regarding a successful team. It reflects poorly on the sport in general and the meaning of sportsmanship.

Is this the manner in which you discuss other teams with your children?

Should you not lead by example and urge your children to improve and reach for higher goals personally, academically and athletically, than to bicker back and forth over who is better than who?

Its quite disturbing, really.

What animosity? I'm not sure where you are coming from with that. All that is being suggested is that the Turtles challenge themselves because they have nothing left to prove in 2017. What's so bad about that suggestion? Hardly antogonistic and certainly not a new concept or unheard of idea - every good team plays up. Relax and don't be so sensitive - nobody is criticizing - just making suggestions to see this team reach its full potential. Is this team immune to suggestion? That would be a problem.

Your coming on here with all your turtle post banging your chest because you beat 11 & 12 year old kids in Fla. I agree that your turtle team has proven to be a very high level team anywhere in 2017.

Is it true that a new 2017 team in your own backyard go in the same tournament in the same bracket go 3-0 and your turtles went 2-1? I guess that's not important.

As far as the 2016's, you guys last year beat a good 2016 91 White team but you guys struggled. You barely beat a really good 2016 Outlaw team but it was a great win for sure. But you guys lost to several DECENT 2016 teams. And please realize 2016 Cudas & 2016 91 Orange would walk over you.

Maybe you should keep your eye on a couple of those 2017 teams, instead of talking down on them. High level 2016 isn't for your guys, it's proven.

that new 2017 team as you call it was beat down by the turtles in that same tournament at the score of 18-2 or it may have been higher...we lost count after a while. the new 2017 team did not have to play the final game against the team that the turtles lost to as they left to get back before the storm hit, thus the 2017 team won by forfiet and promptly lost to the turles immediately after. unfortunately, that was never published nor spoken about...lets call it "2017-gate" and keep the truth hidden from unsuspecting and uniformed (small) minds.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

actually, I believe they played up last year when they won the U-13's in Florida the first time.

There is quite a bit of animosity on this board regarding a successful team. It reflects poorly on the sport in general and the meaning of sportsmanship.

Is this the manner in which you discuss other teams with your children?

Should you not lead by example and urge your children to improve and reach for higher goals personally, academically and athletically, than to bicker back and forth over who is better than who?

Its quite disturbing, really.

What animosity? I'm not sure where you are coming from with that. All that is being suggested is that the Turtles challenge themselves because they have nothing left to prove in 2017. What's so bad about that suggestion? Hardly antogonistic and certainly not a new concept or unheard of idea - every good team plays up. Relax and don't be so sensitive - nobody is criticizing - just making suggestions to see this team reach its full potential. Is this team immune to suggestion? That would be a problem.

Your coming on here with all your turtle post banging your chest because you beat 11 & 12 year old kids in Fla. I agree that your turtle team has proven to be a very high level team anywhere in 2017.

Is it true that a new 2017 team in your own backyard go in the same tournament in the same bracket go 3-0 and your turtles went 2-1? I guess that's not important.

As far as the 2016's, you guys last year beat a good 2016 91 White team but you guys struggled. You barely beat a really good 2016 Outlaw team but it was a great win for sure. But you guys lost to several DECENT 2016 teams. And please realize 2016 Cudas & 2016 91 Orange would walk over you.

Maybe you should keep your eye on a couple of those 2017 teams, instead of talking down on them. High level 2016 isn't for your guys, it's proven.

We'll never know until the Turtles actually play 2016 cudas or 2016 91 Orange. So, lets get it on and see where everybody stands. The only reason why these matchups wouldn't happen is that the Turtle directors and parents what to protect the program's and boys' air of invinsibility - which is a huge miscaclualtion in the long run. My guess is that any perceived gap between the Turtles and the 2016 Cudas will close dramatically with each passing year. Large blowouts like what was seen in Florida in U13 become much less common in the older grades.

I think some things need to be clarified as these posts get confusing to follow.
First we have Rumpelstiltskin suggesting the Turtles need to play up. Welcome back from your slumber, let us know when your up to speed. They have been doing so since they started, and generally do not measure their success by wins and loses. They have lost but that's the only way you get better.
Second, how do you know your gonna beat teams unless you go and play. "That's why they play the game". The Turtles played the appropriate age bracket against boys their same age and grade in fla. The scores only indicate that they are that much better than the other teams not that the other teams are bad. Most of those teams are the best in their region.
lastly, Their is no need to be mysterious about some unmentioned 2017 team, when they are ready to play just set the game up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

actually, I believe they played up last year when they won the U-13's in Florida the first time.

There is quite a bit of animosity on this board regarding a successful team. It reflects poorly on the sport in general and the meaning of sportsmanship.

Is this the manner in which you discuss other teams with your children?

Should you not lead by example and urge your children to improve and reach for higher goals personally, academically and athletically, than to bicker back and forth over who is better than who?

Its quite disturbing, really.

What animosity? I'm not sure where you are coming from with that. All that is being suggested is that the Turtles challenge themselves because they have nothing left to prove in 2017. What's so bad about that suggestion? Hardly antogonistic and certainly not a new concept or unheard of idea - every good team plays up. Relax and don't be so sensitive - nobody is criticizing - just making suggestions to see this team reach its full potential. Is this team immune to suggestion? That would be a problem.

Your coming on here with all your turtle post banging your chest because you beat 11 & 12 year old kids in Fla. I agree that your turtle team has proven to be a very high level team anywhere in 2017.

Is it true that a new 2017 team in your own backyard go in the same tournament in the same bracket go 3-0 and your turtles went 2-1? I guess that's not important.

As far as the 2016's, you guys last year beat a good 2016 91 White team but you guys struggled. You barely beat a really good 2016 Outlaw team but it was a great win for sure. But you guys lost to several DECENT 2016 teams. And please realize 2016 Cudas & 2016 91 Orange would walk over you.

Maybe you should keep your eye on a couple of those 2017 teams, instead of talking down on them. High level 2016 isn't for your guys, it's proven.

that new 2017 team as you call it was beat down by the turtles in that same tournament at the score of 18-2 or it may have been higher...we lost count after a while. the new 2017 team did not have to play the final game against the team that the turtles lost to as they left to get back before the storm hit, thus the 2017 team won by forfiet and promptly lost to the turles immediately after. unfortunately, that was never published nor spoken about...lets call it "2017-gate" and keep the truth hidden from unsuspecting and uniformed (small) minds.

was a scrimmage and the final score was 9-3 turtles

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think some things need to be clarified as these posts get confusing to follow.
First we have Rumpelstiltskin suggesting the Turtles need to play up. Welcome back from your slumber, let us know when your up to speed. They have been doing so since they started, and generally do not measure their success by wins and loses. They have lost but that's the only way you get better.
Second, how do you know your gonna beat teams unless you go and play. "That's why they play the game". The Turtles played the appropriate age bracket against boys their same age and grade in fla. The scores only indicate that they are that much better than the other teams not that the other teams are bad. Most of those teams are the best in their region.
lastly, Their is no need to be mysterious about some unmentioned 2017 team, when they are ready to play just set the game up.

If its so easy to set up a game with the turtles lets go ahead and set one up with the 2016 cudas.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think some things need to be clarified as these posts get confusing to follow.
First we have Rumpelstiltskin suggesting the Turtles need to play up. Welcome back from your slumber, let us know when your up to speed. They have been doing so since they started, and generally do not measure their success by wins and loses. They have lost but that's the only way you get better.
Second, how do you know your gonna beat teams unless you go and play. "That's why they play the game". The Turtles played the appropriate age bracket against boys their same age and grade in fla. The scores only indicate that they are that much better than the other teams not that the other teams are bad. Most of those teams are the best in their region.
lastly, Their is no need to be mysterious about some unmentioned 2017 team, when they are ready to play just set the game up.

If its so easy to set up a game with the turtles lets go ahead and set one up with the 2016 cudas.

Too funny that you are so desperate to show how good the cudas are so you keep challenging a team that is younger, makes you look pathetic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

actually, I believe they played up last year when they won the U-13's in Florida the first time.

There is quite a bit of animosity on this board regarding a successful team. It reflects poorly on the sport in general and the meaning of sportsmanship.

Is this the manner in which you discuss other teams with your children?

Should you not lead by example and urge your children to improve and reach for higher goals personally, academically and athletically, than to bicker back and forth over who is better than who?

Its quite disturbing, really.

What animosity? I'm not sure where you are coming from with that. All that is being suggested is that the Turtles challenge themselves because they have nothing left to prove in 2017. What's so bad about that suggestion? Hardly antogonistic and certainly not a new concept or unheard of idea - every good team plays up. Relax and don't be so sensitive - nobody is criticizing - just making suggestions to see this team reach its full potential. Is this team immune to suggestion? That would be a problem.

Your coming on here with all your turtle post banging your chest because you beat 11 & 12 year old kids in Fla. I agree that your turtle team has proven to be a very high level team anywhere in 2017.

Is it true that a new 2017 team in your own backyard go in the same tournament in the same bracket go 3-0 and your turtles went 2-1? I guess that's not important.

As far as the 2016's, you guys last year beat a good 2016 91 White team but you guys struggled. You barely beat a really good 2016 Outlaw team but it was a great win for sure. But you guys lost to several DECENT 2016 teams. And please realize 2016 Cudas & 2016 91 Orange would walk over you.

Maybe you should keep your eye on a couple of those 2017 teams, instead of talking down on them. High level 2016 isn't for your guys, it's proven.

that new 2017 team as you call it was beat down by the turtles in that same tournament at the score of 18-2 or it may have been higher...we lost count after a while. the new 2017 team did not have to play the final game against the team that the turtles lost to as they left to get back before the storm hit, thus the 2017 team won by forfiet and promptly lost to the turles immediately after. unfortunately, that was never published nor spoken about...lets call it "2017-gate" and keep the truth hidden from unsuspecting and uniformed (small) minds.

was a scrimmage and the final score was 9-3 turtles

it was a full on game...easy to claim "scrimmage" when the beating was so very severe...

wishful thinking and revisionist scoring history on your part. sad... have another drink

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think some things need to be clarified as these posts get confusing to follow.
First we have Rumpelstiltskin suggesting the Turtles need to play up. Welcome back from your slumber, let us know when your up to speed. They have been doing so since they started, and generally do not measure their success by wins and loses. They have lost but that's the only way you get better.
Second, how do you know your gonna beat teams unless you go and play. "That's why they play the game". The Turtles played the appropriate age bracket against boys their same age and grade in fla. The scores only indicate that they are that much better than the other teams not that the other teams are bad. Most of those teams are the best in their region.
lastly, Their is no need to be mysterious about some unmentioned 2017 team, when they are ready to play just set the game up.

If its so easy to set up a game with the turtles lets go ahead and set one up with the 2016 cudas.

shouldn't you be challenging 2015 teams? just saying

Originally Posted by Anonymous

actually, I believe they played up last year when they won the U-13's in Florida the first time.

There is quite a bit of animosity on this board regarding a successful team. It reflects poorly on the sport in general and the meaning of sportsmanship.

Is this the manner in which you discuss other teams with your children?

Should you not lead by example and urge your children to improve and reach for higher goals personally, academically and athletically, than to bicker back and forth over who is better than who?

Its quite disturbing, really.

What animosity? I'm not sure where you are coming from with that. All that is being suggested is that the Turtles challenge themselves because they have nothing left to prove in 2017. What's so bad about that suggestion? Hardly antogonistic and certainly not a new concept or unheard of idea - every good team plays up. Relax and don't be so sensitive - nobody is criticizing - just making suggestions to see this team reach its full potential. Is this team immune to suggestion? That would be a problem.

Your coming on here with all your turtle post banging your chest because you beat 11 & 12 year old kids in Fla. I agree that your turtle team has proven to be a very high level team anywhere in 2017.

Is it true that a new 2017 team in your own backyard go in the same tournament in the same bracket go 3-0 and your turtles went 2-1? I guess that's not important.

As far as the 2016's, you guys last year beat a good 2016 91 White team but you guys struggled. You barely beat a really good 2016 Outlaw team but it was a great win for sure. But you guys lost to several DECENT 2016 teams. And please realize 2016 Cudas & 2016 91 Orange would walk over you.

Maybe you should keep your eye on a couple of those 2017 teams, instead of talking down on them. High level 2016 isn't for your guys, it's proven.

that new 2017 team as you call it was beat down by the turtles in that same tournament at the score of 18-2 or it may have been higher...we lost count after a while. the new 2017 team did not have to play the final game against the team that the turtles lost to as they left to get back before the storm hit, thus the 2017 team won by forfiet and promptly lost to the turles immediately after. unfortunately, that was never published nor spoken about...lets call it "2017-gate" and keep the truth hidden from unsuspecting and uniformed (small) minds.

was a scrimmage and the final score was 9-3 turtles

At Skull and Bones...it was 16-3

Originally Posted by Anonymous

actually, I believe they played up last year when they won the U-13's in Florida the first time.

There is quite a bit of animosity on this board regarding a successful team. It reflects poorly on the sport in general and the meaning of sportsmanship.

Is this the manner in which you discuss other teams with your children?

Should you not lead by example and urge your children to improve and reach for higher goals personally, academically and athletically, than to bicker back and forth over who is better than who?

Its quite disturbing, really.

What animosity? I'm not sure where you are coming from with that. All that is being suggested is that the Turtles challenge themselves because they have nothing left to prove in 2017. What's so bad about that suggestion? Hardly antogonistic and certainly not a new concept or unheard of idea - every good team plays up. Relax and don't be so sensitive - nobody is criticizing - just making suggestions to see this team reach its full potential. Is this team immune to suggestion? That would be a problem.

Your coming on here with all your turtle post banging your chest because you beat 11 & 12 year old kids in Fla. I agree that your turtle team has proven to be a very high level team anywhere in 2017.

Is it true that a new 2017 team in your own backyard go in the same tournament in the same bracket go 3-0 and your turtles went 2-1? I guess that's not important.

As far as the 2016's, you guys last year beat a good 2016 91 White team but you guys struggled. You barely beat a really good 2016 Outlaw team but it was a great win for sure. But you guys lost to several DECENT 2016 teams. And please realize 2016 Cudas & 2016 91 Orange would walk over you.

Maybe you should keep your eye on a couple of those 2017 teams, instead of talking down on them. High level 2016 isn't for your guys, it's proven.

that new 2017 team as you call it was beat down by the turtles in that same tournament at the score of 18-2 or it may have been higher...we lost count after a while. the new 2017 team did not have to play the final game against the team that the turtles lost to as they left to get back before the storm hit, thus the 2017 team won by forfiet and promptly lost to the turles immediately after. unfortunately, that was never published nor spoken about...lets call it "2017-gate" and keep the truth hidden from unsuspecting and uniformed (small) minds.

was a scrimmage and the final score was 9-3 turtles

At Skull and Bones...it was 16-3

Skull and Bones
Terps 3-0
Turtles 2-1
In the games that mattered. And I agree the turtles in the scrimmage won by a lot more than 9-3 but in the words to me (my son is on terps) from a turtle parent, "1st half score was interesting". Weird stuff happened in the 2nd half, no problem you guys are the best and would still beat us now but not by as much as last time as our boys are starting to gel a bit more than a couple of months ago as our kids are a newer team this season. We have some great coaching, a bunch of good players and have beaten a few really good teams in the fall, so we are doing pretty good for now. Congratulations to you guys for winning in Fla again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

actually, I believe they played up last year when they won the U-13's in Florida the first time.

There is quite a bit of animosity on this board regarding a successful team. It reflects poorly on the sport in general and the meaning of sportsmanship.

Is this the manner in which you discuss other teams with your children?

Should you not lead by example and urge your children to improve and reach for higher goals personally, academically and athletically, than to bicker back and forth over who is better than who?

Its quite disturbing, really.

What animosity? I'm not sure where you are coming from with that. All that is being suggested is that the Turtles challenge themselves because they have nothing left to prove in 2017. What's so bad about that suggestion? Hardly antogonistic and certainly not a new concept or unheard of idea - every good team plays up. Relax and don't be so sensitive - nobody is criticizing - just making suggestions to see this team reach its full potential. Is this team immune to suggestion? That would be a problem.

Your coming on here with all your turtle post banging your chest because you beat 11 & 12 year old kids in Fla. I agree that your turtle team has proven to be a very high level team anywhere in 2017.

Is it true that a new 2017 team in your own backyard go in the same tournament in the same bracket go 3-0 and your turtles went 2-1? I guess that's not important.

As far as the 2016's, you guys last year beat a good 2016 91 White team but you guys struggled. You barely beat a really good 2016 Outlaw team but it was a great win for sure. But you guys lost to several DECENT 2016 teams. And please realize 2016 Cudas & 2016 91 Orange would walk over you.

Maybe you should keep your eye on a couple of those 2017 teams, instead of talking down on them. High level 2016 isn't for your guys, it's proven.

that new 2017 team as you call it was beat down by the turtles in that same tournament at the score of 18-2 or it may have been higher...we lost count after a while. the new 2017 team did not have to play the final game against the team that the turtles lost to as they left to get back before the storm hit, thus the 2017 team won by forfiet and promptly lost to the turles immediately after. unfortunately, that was never published nor spoken about...lets call it "2017-gate" and keep the truth hidden from unsuspecting and uniformed (small) minds.

was a scrimmage and the final score was 9-3 turtles

At Skull and Bones...it was 16-3

Who is this new team and who runs it.

Who is your daddy and what does he do?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think some things need to be clarified as these posts get confusing to follow.
First we have Rumpelstiltskin suggesting the Turtles need to play up. Welcome back from your slumber, let us know when your up to speed. They have been doing so since they started, and generally do not measure their success by wins and loses. They have lost but that's the only way you get better.
Second, how do you know your gonna beat teams unless you go and play. "That's why they play the game". The Turtles played the appropriate age bracket against boys their same age and grade in fla. The scores only indicate that they are that much better than the other teams not that the other teams are bad. Most of those teams are the best in their region.
lastly, Their is no need to be mysterious about some unmentioned 2017 team, when they are ready to play just set the game up.

If its so easy to set up a game with the turtles lets go ahead and set one up with the 2016 cudas.

shouldn't you be challenging 2015 teams? just saying

Sure, why not. But the challenge is that no 2015 would want to play down 2 years.

http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2013...icks-sporting-goods-tournament-champions

NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2013...icks-sporting-goods-tournament-champions

NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!

This needs to be in IL? Really?

I would think more people would be happy for our LI teams and less bitter. If my kid is not on one of the best teams in LI- so be it. I would rather a LI team come out the champions, than not. Lax is rising all over the country- it would be nice to see LI stay on the top.

Congrats to all the LI winners.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2013...icks-sporting-goods-tournament-champions

NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!

This needs to be in IL? Really?

Wrong attitude

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would think more people would be happy for our LI teams and less bitter. If my kid is not on one of the best teams in LI- so be it. I would rather a LI team come out the champions, than not. Lax is rising all over the country- it would be nice to see LI stay on the top.

Congrats to all the LI winners.

Right attitude and classy as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would think more people would be happy for our LI teams and less bitter. If my kid is not on one of the best teams in LI- so be it. I would rather a LI team come out the champions, than not. Lax is rising all over the country- it would be nice to see LI stay on the top.

Congrats to all the LI winners.

AMEN. I'd prefer to congratulate a great team, and help my boy in striving for the same skills.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think some things need to be clarified as these posts get confusing to follow.
First we have Rumpelstiltskin suggesting the Turtles need to play up. Welcome back from your slumber, let us know when your up to speed. They have been doing so since they started, and generally do not measure their success by wins and loses. They have lost but that's the only way you get better.
Second, how do you know your gonna beat teams unless you go and play. "That's why they play the game". The Turtles played the appropriate age bracket against boys their same age and grade in fla. The scores only indicate that they are that much better than the other teams not that the other teams are bad. Most of those teams are the best in their region.
lastly, Their is no need to be mysterious about some unmentioned 2017 team, when they are ready to play just set the game up.

If its so easy to set up a game with the turtles lets go ahead and set one up with the 2016 cudas.

shouldn't you be challenging 2015 teams? just saying

Sure, why not. But the challenge is that no 2015 would want to play down 2 years.

The "Cuda-head" on here should stop. It's just wierd

Originally Posted by Anonymous

http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2013...icks-sporting-goods-tournament-champions

NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!

This needs to be in IL? Really?

Sucks being on the sideline and not in the game. Sour grapes are in the second aisle on the left

That is becoming common place for the True Blue team, they can't handle pressure situations.

The following Long Island players were named to two middle school boys� teams that will compete in the 2013 Brine National Lacrosse Classic.

Long Island-South Team

Baker Bradley Smithtown Ny A 2017
Bamford Alex Bedford Hills Ny M 2018
Brosnahan Brandon Syosset Ny D 2018
Caiazzo Angelo Lattingtown Ny M 2017
Corabi Jensen Dix Hills Ny M 2017
Crawley Brian Port Washington Ny A 2017
Cunningham Sean Sea Cliff Ny M
Erler Ryan Smithtown Ny G 2017
Gatto Jack Lloyd Harbor Ny M 2017
Grama Lewis Mineola Ny D 2017
Hall James Massapequa Ny A 2017
Kavan Jack Garden City Ny D 2017
Leake Mike Rockville Centre Ny A 2017
Marinello Frank North Merrick Ny D 2018
Marino Michael St. James Ny A 2017
Moyett David Woodbury Ny M 2017
Munoz Edward East Setauket Ny M 2017
Murphy Casey Wantagh Ny A 2017
Nichtern Brendan Massapequa Ny M 2017
Petracca Grant Whitestone Ny G 2018
Schmidt Gary Setauket Ny D 2017
Senerchia Tyler Planedge Ny D 2017
Tam Ryan Brookville Ny D 2017
Tiernan Kyle Huntington Ny D 2017
Waters Billy Smithtown Ny M 2017

Long Island-North Team

Bonser Jarett Deer Park Ny D 2017
Brode Nicholas Manorville Ny A 2017
Capobianco-Hogan Lucas Mount Sinai Ny D 2017
Cirella Ben Manhasset Ny D 2017
Cuccurullo Steven Smithtown Ny M 2017
Desimone Connor Saint James Ny M 2017
Hur Young Stony Brook Ny M 2017
Johnson Leif Garden City Ny D 2017
Keogh Jack Manhasset Ny A 2017
Laviano Ian Laurel Hollow Ny A 2017
Licalzi Joseph Rockville Centre Ny D 2017
Lingner Thomas Fort Salonga Ny G 2017
Lulley Sean Melville Ny M 2017
Mack Kevin Manhasset Ny A 2017
Mule Cameron Dix Hills Ny A 2017
Puccio Philip Garden City Ny D 2017
Schneider Steven Manhasset Ny M 2017
Strough Taylor Lloyd Harbor Ny M 2017
Tangredi Frankie Smithtown Ny D 2017
Voelker Anthony Nissequogue Ny M 2017
Haggerty Brendan Manhasset Ny G 2017
Doria Dominic Syosset Ny D 2017
Burns Robert Saint James Ny M 2017
Cutillo John Kings Park Ny M 2017
Benus Matthew Woodbury Ny M 2017

Originally Posted by Anonymous

http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2013...icks-sporting-goods-tournament-champions

NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!

This needs to be in IL? Really?

Sucks being on the sideline and not in the game. Sour grapes are in the second aisle on the left

I think there was a small window, of this afternoon where the insane turtle guardian was not on here hyping his team. Now we know where he was, he was getting the Inside Lacrosse story worked in! Also, why didn't Inside Lacrosse post ALL the winners from ALL age brackets???? Kinda strange.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2013...icks-sporting-goods-tournament-champions

NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!

This needs to be in IL? Really?

Sucks being on the sideline and not in the game. Sour grapes are in the second aisle on the left

I think there was a small window, of this afternoon where the insane turtle guardian was not on here hyping his team. Now we know where he was, he was getting the Inside Lacrosse story worked in! Also, why didn't Inside Lacrosse post ALL the winners from ALL age brackets???? Kinda strange.

What other team defended their back to back same BRACKET win? Doesn't anyone read anymore?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2013...icks-sporting-goods-tournament-champions

NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!

This needs to be in IL? Really?

Sucks being on the sideline and not in the game. Sour grapes are in the second aisle on the left

I think there was a small window, of this afternoon where the insane turtle guardian was not on here hyping his team. Now we know where he was, he was getting the Inside Lacrosse story worked in! Also, why didn't Inside Lacrosse post ALL the winners from ALL age brackets???? Kinda strange.

Yes!! And he was the second shooter behind the grassy knoll as well!
IL probably only published these results based on their unique stats in addition to bein the first team to ever repeat as national champions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2013...icks-sporting-goods-tournament-champions

NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!

This needs to be in IL? Really?

Sucks being on the sideline and not in the game. Sour grapes are in the second aisle on the left

I think there was a small window, of this afternoon where the insane turtle guardian was not on here hyping his team. Now we know where he was, he was getting the Inside Lacrosse story worked in! Also, why didn't Inside Lacrosse post ALL the winners from ALL age brackets???? Kinda strange.

Yes!! And he was the second shooter behind the grassy knoll as well!
IL probably only published these results based on their unique stats in addition to bein the first team to ever repeat as national champions.

Lie.

Lie?

Please, take a moment to pick up your webster's dictionary (you do know what that is, yes?) and familiarize yourself with that difficult definition and its proper usage.

additionally; it may behoove you to review the definitions and connotations of the term, " self deception"; as in: you're little Johnny is not ever going to be on a championship NCAA Div 1,2 or 3 team, nor is he apt to even get a look to play other than as a walk on. He is not on a current age appropriate championship team because....drum roll please...you're little johnny is not good enough to make a team to do so. period.....get over being jealous of other kid's successes and their lacrosse prowess. Your kid is not cutting it nor will he cut it. period.

that was not nice to say, was it?

now stop being inflamatory or you will be taunted yet again.

How utterly sad is this ? Its funny, I had a friends who's kid turned down Div 1 and 2 because he liked a d3 school better and while he liked lax and wants to play in college he really did not want to be a semi pro athlete and dedicate his life to it. That people think so much of a D1 lax program is idiotic. If was football or baseball and you thought there was a payoff in the millions down the line for your son that would be one thing. Truth is that the mathletes at your kids school are probably all on a better career track for college and the real world then any travel lax team on the island. I think some of these parents here actually sit at home and can't understand why their kids are not playing in stadiums where people pay to watch them , doesn't everyone understand how awesome we are ?

Please, take a moment to pick up your webster's dictionary (you do know what that is, yes?) and familiarize yourself with that difficult definition and its proper usage.

additionally; it may behoove you to review the definitions and connotations of the term, " self deception"; as in: you're little Johnny is not ever going to be on a championship NCAA Div 1,2 or 3 team, nor is he apt to even get a look to play other than as a walk on. He is not on a current age appropriate championship team because....drum roll please...you're little johnny is not good enough to make a team to do so. period.....get over being jealous of other kid's successes and their lacrosse prowess. Your kid is not cutting it nor will he cut it. period.

that was not nice to say, was it?

now stop being inflamatory or you will be taunted yet again. [/quote]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lie?

Please, take a moment to pick up your webster's dictionary (you do know what that is, yes?) and familiarize yourself with that difficult definition and its proper usage.

additionally; it may behoove you to review the definitions and connotations of the term, " self deception"; as in: you're little Johnny is not ever going to be on a championship NCAA Div 1,2 or 3 team, nor is he apt to even get a look to play other than as a walk on. He is not on a current age appropriate championship team because....drum roll please...you're little johnny is not good enough to make a team to do so. period.....get over being jealous of other kid's successes and their lacrosse prowess. Your kid is not cutting it nor will he cut it. period.

that was not nice to say, was it?

now stop being inflamatory or you will be taunted yet again.

lol, still a lie! I gather a nerve was HIT, you got a little defensive. Careful what you say, a few on here know the truth.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lie?

Please, take a moment to pick up your webster's dictionary (you do know what that is, yes?) and familiarize yourself with that difficult definition and its proper usage.

additionally; it may behoove you to review the definitions and connotations of the term, " self deception"; as in: you're little Johnny is not ever going to be on a championship NCAA Div 1,2 or 3 team, nor is he apt to even get a look to play other than as a walk on. He is not on a current age appropriate championship team because....drum roll please...you're little johnny is not good enough to make a team to do so. period.....get over being jealous of other kid's successes and their lacrosse prowess. Your kid is not cutting it nor will he cut it. period.

that was not nice to say, was it?

now stop being inflamatory or you will be taunted yet again.

lol, still a lie! I gather a nerve was HIT, you got a little defensive. Careful what you say, a few on here know the truth.

oh please, great all knowing LAX God...why, pray tell, should I be careful? Will your great knowledge bring bad omens down upon the children who are better than yours?...please oh please identify these who hold the secret of the truth. Our destiny is in your hands...

another definition for you to add to your ever growing minimalist vocabulary..."sardonic"

nerves are just beginning to be hit and be sure, they are not on the sides of the winners...bet on it.

now be on your way to take your kid to actually develop his off hand and maybe he will get off the bench in HS... :-)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lie?

Please, take a moment to pick up your webster's dictionary (you do know what that is, yes?) and familiarize yourself with that difficult definition and its proper usage.

additionally; it may behoove you to review the definitions and connotations of the term, " self deception"; as in: you're little Johnny is not ever going to be on a championship NCAA Div 1,2 or 3 team, nor is he apt to even get a look to play other than as a walk on. He is not on a current age appropriate championship team because....drum roll please...you're little johnny is not good enough to make a team to do so. period.....get over being jealous of other kid's successes and their lacrosse prowess. Your kid is not cutting it nor will he cut it. period.

that was not nice to say, was it?

now stop being inflamatory or you will be taunted yet again.

You are, seriously, out of your mind! How do you know who "Little Johnny" is? He may just be the "Man", in 2 years, who puts your your "Turtle Boy" back in his shell. I've come on here before defending the Turtles because they truly are an incredible team of 13 year old boys. They are just that...13 year old boys. You never know who is going to be where in the coming 3 years. I truly believe in Karma & I hope it reaps on you & not your son, you small minded, mean person

I think a neologism is indicated in this discourse:

Pathetoric: adj, that describing a nonsensical discussion or argument without basis or substantiation which insults those being exposed to such and relegates those involved to social misfit status.

Originally Posted by CageSage

The following Long Island players were named to two middle school boys� teams that will compete in the 2013 Brine National Lacrosse Classic.

Long Island-South Team

Baker Bradley Smithtown Ny A 2017
Bamford Alex Bedford Hills Ny M 2018
Brosnahan Brandon Syosset Ny D 2018
Caiazzo Angelo Lattingtown Ny M 2017
Corabi Jensen Dix Hills Ny M 2017
Crawley Brian Port Washington Ny A 2017
Cunningham Sean Sea Cliff Ny M
Erler Ryan Smithtown Ny G 2017
Gatto Jack Lloyd Harbor Ny M 2017
Grama Lewis Mineola Ny D 2017
Hall James Massapequa Ny A 2017
Kavan Jack Garden City Ny D 2017
Leake Mike Rockville Centre Ny A 2017
Marinello Frank North Merrick Ny D 2018
Marino Michael St. James Ny A 2017
Moyett David Woodbury Ny M 2017
Munoz Edward East Setauket Ny M 2017
Murphy Casey Wantagh Ny A 2017
Nichtern Brendan Massapequa Ny M 2017
Petracca Grant Whitestone Ny G 2018
Schmidt Gary Setauket Ny D 2017
Senerchia Tyler Planedge Ny D 2017
Tam Ryan Brookville Ny D 2017
Tiernan Kyle Huntington Ny D 2017
Waters Billy Smithtown Ny M 2017

Long Island-North Team

Bonser Jarett Deer Park Ny D 2017
Brode Nicholas Manorville Ny A 2017
Capobianco-Hogan Lucas Mount Sinai Ny D 2017
Cirella Ben Manhasset Ny D 2017
Cuccurullo Steven Smithtown Ny M 2017
Desimone Connor Saint James Ny M 2017
Hur Young Stony Brook Ny M 2017
Johnson Leif Garden City Ny D 2017
Keogh Jack Manhasset Ny A 2017
Laviano Ian Laurel Hollow Ny A 2017
Licalzi Joseph Rockville Centre Ny D 2017
Lingner Thomas Fort Salonga Ny G 2017
Lulley Sean Melville Ny M 2017
Mack Kevin Manhasset Ny A 2017
Mule Cameron Dix Hills Ny A 2017
Puccio Philip Garden City Ny D 2017
Schneider Steven Manhasset Ny M 2017
Strough Taylor Lloyd Harbor Ny M 2017
Tangredi Frankie Smithtown Ny D 2017
Voelker Anthony Nissequogue Ny M 2017
Haggerty Brendan Manhasset Ny G 2017
Doria Dominic Syosset Ny D 2017
Burns Robert Saint James Ny M 2017
Cutillo John Kings Park Ny M 2017
Benus Matthew Woodbury Ny M 2017

Congratulations to all the players on making the team!!!!!As a Smithtown resident...nice representation from the East side and West side!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lie?

Please, take a moment to pick up your webster's dictionary (you do know what that is, yes?) and familiarize yourself with that difficult definition and its proper usage.

additionally; it may behoove you to review the definitions and connotations of the term, " self deception"; as in: you're little Johnny is not ever going to be on a championship NCAA Div 1,2 or 3 team, nor is he apt to even get a look to play other than as a walk on. He is not on a current age appropriate championship team because....drum roll please...you're little johnny is not good enough to make a team to do so. period.....get over being jealous of other kid's successes and their lacrosse prowess. Your kid is not cutting it nor will he cut it. period.

that was not nice to say, was it?

now stop being inflamatory or you will be taunted yet again.

lol, still a lie! I gather a nerve was HIT, you got a little defensive. Careful what you say, a few on here know the truth.

oh please, great all knowing LAX God...why, pray tell, should I be careful? Will your great knowledge bring bad omens down upon the children who are better than yours?...please oh please identify these who hold the secret of the truth. Our destiny is in your hands...

another definition for you to add to your ever growing minimalist vocabulary..."sardonic"

nerves are just beginning to be hit and be sure, they are not on the sides of the winners...bet on it.

now be on your way to take your kid to actually develop his off hand and maybe he will get off the bench in HS... :-)

Ok your right, my son is horrendous 8th grade lacrosse player because he is not on the turtle team. Anyway, best wishes to you and your family and Happy New Year!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lie?

Please, take a moment to pick up your webster's dictionary (you do know what that is, yes?) and familiarize yourself with that difficult definition and its proper usage.

additionally; it may behoove you to review the definitions and connotations of the term, " self deception"; as in: you're little Johnny is not ever going to be on a championship NCAA Div 1,2 or 3 team, nor is he apt to even get a look to play other than as a walk on. He is not on a current age appropriate championship team because....drum roll please...you're little johnny is not good enough to make a team to do so. period.....get over being jealous of other kid's successes and their lacrosse prowess. Your kid is not cutting it nor will he cut it. period.

that was not nice to say, was it?

now stop being inflamatory or you will be taunted yet again.

lol, still a lie! I gather a nerve was HIT, you got a little defensive. Careful what you say, a few on here know the truth.

oh please, great all knowing LAX God...why, pray tell, should I be careful? Will your great knowledge bring bad omens down upon the children who are better than yours?...please oh please identify these who hold the secret of the truth. Our destiny is in your hands...

another definition for you to add to your ever growing minimalist vocabulary..."sardonic"

nerves are just beginning to be hit and be sure, they are not on the sides of the winners...bet on it.

now be on your way to take your kid to actually develop his off hand and maybe he will get off the bench in HS... :-)

wow, we taking ourselves a little too seriously maybe? talk about the classic case of living vicariously through your child........

Stop trying to be so clever, cause your not. Come back to these boards in two years after all this travel nonsense has gone by the wayside and the athletes have surfaced.

You are right, this is sad, that grown adults are on here "Trash Talking" about their kids! Good for your friends kid who turned down Div 1 & 2 schools & is happy in HIS choice as to where to spend 4 important years of his life. Some kids do/will enjoy dedicating their life to a sport, as well as school. "That people think so much of D1 lax program is idiotic"...I disagree with you there! It's a personal choice FOR YOUR CHILD TO MAKE!!!! IDC if it is football, baseball, badmitton,lacrosse or bowlin, if your child is talented, atheletic, smart & dedicated enough to handle the time & pressure of D1 (or II or III) thats incredible! You CAN NOT look @ it as getting your money back...You WILL NOT! It's about each individual kid & their families choice. Some mathletes probably are on a better career path for college but, some are not (imagine what the mathletes parents are talking about on their website;) I understand that this site is for posting opinions and those opinions will be put up to debate but, to actually read some post from a bafoon of a parent berating other kids & actually throwing in some word from the dictionary (I dont find his post sardonic or "skeptically humorous") I think it is DISGRACEFUL & he/she is puerile...Go look that up in a dictionary;)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How utterly sad is this ? Its funny, I had a friends who's kid turned down Div 1 and 2 because he liked a d3 school better and while he liked lax and wants to play in college he really did not want to be a semi pro athlete and dedicate his life to it. That people think so much of a D1 lax program is idiotic. If was football or baseball and you thought there was a payoff in the millions down the line for your son that would be one thing. Truth is that the mathletes at your kids school are probably all on a better career track for college and the real world then any travel lax team on the island. I think some of these parents here actually sit at home and can't understand why their kids are not playing in stadiums where people pay to watch them , doesn't everyone understand how awesome we are ?

Please, take a moment to pick up your webster's dictionary (you do know what that is, yes?) and familiarize yourself with that difficult definition and its proper usage.

additionally; it may behoove you to review the definitions and connotations of the term, " self deception"; as in: you're little Johnny is not ever going to be on a championship NCAA Div 1,2 or 3 team, nor is he apt to even get a look to play other than as a walk on. He is not on a current age appropriate championship team because....drum roll please...you're little johnny is not good enough to make a team to do so. period.....get over being jealous of other kid's successes and their lacrosse prowess. Your kid is not cutting it nor will he cut it. period.

that was not nice to say, was it?

now stop being inflamatory or you will be taunted yet again.

[/quote]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lie?

Please, take a moment to pick up your webster's dictionary (you do know what that is, yes?) and familiarize yourself with that difficult definition and its proper usage.

additionally; it may behoove you to review the definitions and connotations of the term, " self deception"; as in: you're little Johnny is not ever going to be on a championship NCAA Div 1,2 or 3 team, nor is he apt to even get a look to play other than as a walk on. He is not on a current age appropriate championship team because....drum roll please...you're little johnny is not good enough to make a team to do so. period.....get over being jealous of other kid's successes and their lacrosse prowess. Your kid is not cutting it nor will he cut it. period.

that was not nice to say, was it?

now stop being inflamatory or you will be taunted yet again.

lol, still a lie! I gather a nerve was HIT, you got a little defensive. Careful what you say, a few on here know the truth.

oh please, great all knowing LAX God...why, pray tell, should I be careful? Will your great knowledge bring bad omens down upon the children who are better than yours?...please oh please identify these who hold the secret of the truth. Our destiny is in your hands...

another definition for you to add to your ever growing minimalist vocabulary..."sardonic"

nerves are just beginning to be hit and be sure, they are not on the sides of the winners...bet on it.

now be on your way to take your kid to actually develop his off hand and maybe he will get off the bench in HS... :-)

You are a pathetic person..."Sardonic"? I think not. More like Malevolent, repulsive & revolting. Does JD know who you are? I thought you were forbidden to be on here.......

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does JD know who you are? I thought you were forbidden to be on here.......

The one and only one who can forbid participants from playing in the sandbox is yours truly. As far as this thread goes, the best part of the discussion has been the SAT Prep course being offered : sardonic, neologism, pathetoric. Who would have expected those three words to pop up in a single day?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lie?

Please, take a moment to pick up your webster's dictionary (you do know what that is, yes?) and familiarize yourself with that difficult definition and its proper usage.

additionally; it may behoove you to review the definitions and connotations of the term, " self deception"; as in: you're little Johnny is not ever going to be on a championship NCAA Div 1,2 or 3 team, nor is he apt to even get a look to play other than as a walk on. He is not on a current age appropriate championship team because....drum roll please...you're little johnny is not good enough to make a team to do so. period.....get over being jealous of other kid's successes and their lacrosse prowess. Your kid is not cutting it nor will he cut it. period.

that was not nice to say, was it?

now stop being inflamatory or you will be taunted yet again.

lol, still a lie! I gather a nerve was HIT, you got a little defensive. Careful what you say, a few on here know the truth.

oh please, great all knowing LAX God...why, pray tell, should I be careful? Will your great knowledge bring bad omens down upon the children who are better than yours?...please oh please identify these who hold the secret of the truth. Our destiny is in your hands...

another definition for you to add to your ever growing minimalist vocabulary..."sardonic"

nerves are just beginning to be hit and be sure, they are not on the sides of the winners...bet on it.

now be on your way to take your kid to actually develop his off hand and maybe he will get off the bench in HS... :-)

We've seen dad's like this guy. Probably never played, and (if he is whom i think) often ejected from the sideline at kiddie games! (ouch!)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lie?

Please, take a moment to pick up your webster's dictionary (you do know what that is, yes?) and familiarize yourself with that difficult definition and its proper usage.

additionally; it may behoove you to review the definitions and connotations of the term, " self deception"; as in: you're little Johnny is not ever going to be on a championship NCAA Div 1,2 or 3 team, nor is he apt to even get a look to play other than as a walk on. He is not on a current age appropriate championship team because....drum roll please...you're little johnny is not good enough to make a team to do so. period.....get over being jealous of other kid's successes and their lacrosse prowess. Your kid is not cutting it nor will he cut it. period.

that was not nice to say, was it?

now stop being inflamatory or you will be taunted yet again.

lol, still a lie! I gather a nerve was HIT, you got a little defensive. Careful what you say, a few on here know the truth.

oh please, great all knowing LAX God...why, pray tell, should I be careful? Will your great knowledge bring bad omens down upon the children who are better than yours?...please oh please identify these who hold the secret of the truth. Our destiny is in your hands...

another definition for you to add to your ever growing minimalist vocabulary..."sardonic"

nerves are just beginning to be hit and be sure, they are not on the sides of the winners...bet on it.

now be on your way to take your kid to actually develop his off hand and maybe he will get off the bench in HS... :-)

Over compensation for deficiencies elsewhere may include the use of, but are not limited to, flashy cars, large caliber handguns, and vocab-applications!

How have turtles done against Dukes 2017 and did Dukes 2017 go to [lacrosse]'s?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How have turtles done against Dukes 2017 and did Dukes 2017 go to [lacrosse]'s?

don't think turtles every played dukes. dukes were not in dicks tournament. if they were they would've most likely been in u15 in Fla

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How have turtles done against Dukes 2017 and did Dukes 2017 go to [lacrosse]'s?

Was it Terps 2017 or Dukes 2017 that qualified for dicks but didn't go? I heard two different things.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How have turtles done against Dukes 2017 and did Dukes 2017 go to [lacrosse]'s?

From my understanding the Dukes and the Turtles have never played. However, the 2017 Terps beat the Dukes in OT at the Winter National final.

And no the Dukes did not go to Dicks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How have turtles done against Dukes 2017 and did Dukes 2017 go to [lacrosse]'s?

Was it Terps 2017 or Dukes 2017 that qualified for dicks but didn't go? I heard two different things.

terps 2017 qualified in u15 by winning a fall tournament in MD or PA, but didn't go to dicks for some reason

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How have turtles done against Dukes 2017 and did Dukes 2017 go to [lacrosse]'s?

From my understanding the Dukes and the Turtles have never played. However, the 2017 Terps beat the Dukes in OT at the Winter National final.

And no the Dukes did not go to Dicks.

And pretty sure neither team has a chance against the turtles. Why you say? Because heaven forbid the turtles play their age group without getting criticized on this forum.

For some reason? If you think really hard Im pretty sure you can figure out why they didnt go to Dicks......(Hint: there was another 2017 team there from Long Island that supposed to be really good)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For some reason? If you think really hard Im pretty sure you can figure out why they didnt go to Dicks......(Hint: there was another 2017 team there from Long Island that supposed to be really good)

Turtle buddy, news flash Terps qualified in a u15a bracket by winning a Fall 2012 tournament. Meaning, your team play 7th graders in Fla where the 2017 Terp team would've played 8th & 9th graders. Fear was NOT in the thought process..

News flash 2017 are 8th graders smart guy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For some reason? If you think really hard Im pretty sure you can figure out why they didnt go to Dicks......(Hint: there was another 2017 team there from Long Island that supposed to be really good)

Turtle buddy, news flash Terps qualified in a u15a bracket by winning a Fall 2012 tournament. Meaning, your team play 7th graders in Fla where the 2017 Terp team would've played 8th & 9th graders. Fear was NOT in the thought process..

Terps have zero chance of ever beating the turtles...sorry.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For some reason? If you think really hard Im pretty sure you can figure out why they didnt go to Dicks......(Hint: there was another 2017 team there from Long Island that supposed to be really good)

Turtle buddy, news flash Terps qualified in a u15a bracket by winning a Fall 2012 tournament. Meaning, your team play 7th graders in Fla where the 2017 Terp team would've played 8th & 9th graders. Fear was NOT in the thought process..

AFAIK, there were only two 2018 teams in the 27 team bracket...the rest were big kids and I mean big! Breakers AA and Denver elite were stacked with large kids and each team had a couple of 6'2" players on each end of the field...very intimidating to say the least, and extremely physical, but that did not stop the skill of the Long Island Turtles.

Represented the LI region well against some seriously big and talented kids from all over. Also, IIRC, the turtles won the summer sizzle, the mad lax and crab fest tournaments on their way to the [lacrosse]'s tourney. I think they earned just a little respect for going undefeated in all of those tournaments.

Maybe they're not the best, but they sure are trying their best. What more can you ask?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For some reason? If you think really hard Im pretty sure you can figure out why they didnt go to Dicks......(Hint: there was another 2017 team there from Long Island that supposed to be really good)

Turtle buddy, news flash Terps qualified in a u15a bracket by winning a Fall 2012 Ptournament. Meaning, your team play 7th graders in Fla where the 2017 Terp team would've played 8th & 9th graders. Fear was NOT in the thought process..

Terps have zero chance of ever beating the turtles...sorry.

Sorry? No need to apologize. I never said Terps could beat turtles. So calm
down. Your sons teams is the BEST EVER!! I'll let you go about your evening now living vicariously trough your son.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For some reason? If you think really hard Im pretty sure you can figure out why they didnt go to Dicks......(Hint: there was another 2017 team there from Long Island that supposed to be really good)

Turtle buddy, news flash Terps qualified in a u15a bracket by winning a Fall 2012 tournament. Meaning, your team play 7th graders in Fla where the 2017 Terp team would've played 8th & 9th graders. Fear was NOT in the thought process..

AFAIK, there were only two 2018 teams in the 27 team bracket...the rest were big kids and I mean big! Breakers AA and Denver elite were stacked with large kids and each team had a couple of 6'2" players on each end of the field...very intimidating to say the least, and extremely physical, but that did not stop the skill of the Long Island Turtles.

Represented the LI region well against some seriously big and talented kids from all over. Also, IIRC, the turtles won the summer sizzle, the mad lax and crab fest tournaments on their way to the [lacrosse]'s tourney. I think they earned just a little respect for going undefeated in all of those tournaments.

Maybe they're not the best, but they sure are trying their best. What more can you ask?

I bet the u13aa Breakers are massive! Because when we beat the u15aa Breakers in fall they were huge also! No doubt turtles are the #1 team in 2017 but I think most feel it looked a little cheesy to go down there and win by 20 goals a game but I guess all you turtle parents neede some Mickey Time!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

News flash 2017 are 8th graders smart guy.

I'm very well aware of that. Read the post again or read between the lines of the post, smart guy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For some reason? If you think really hard Im pretty sure you can figure out why they didnt go to Dicks......(Hint: there was another 2017 team there from Long Island that supposed to be really good)

Turtle buddy, news flash Terps qualified in a u15a bracket by winning a Fall 2012 tournament. Meaning, your team play 7th graders in Fla where the 2017 Terp team would've played 8th & 9th graders. Fear was NOT in the thought process..

Terps have zero chance of ever beating the turtles...sorry.

I truly wonder if its just ONE turtle parent that LIVES on this site every minute of day & evening, or is it all the turtle parents? Its nonstop "turtles are the best", "turtles can kill everyone", "team 123 did good but they aren't the turtles". OMG, you turtle people are setting your sons up for failure.

There will be several D1 commits from the 2017's from LI on most of the elite teams, meaning players from Team 91, Terps, Trueblue, fl$ and the Turtles. BUT, you some of you turtle parents act like EVERY player on your team is going to be a huge NCAA D1 star and unfortunately your wrong. I feel for the Turtle player/parent that DOESNT go D1 because you need to be careful, that bright light on that spotlight can burn sometimes. Be careful.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For some reason? If you think really hard Im pretty sure you can figure out why they didnt go to Dicks......(Hint: there was another 2017 team there from Long Island that supposed to be really good)

Turtle buddy, news flash Terps qualified in a u15a bracket by winning a Fall 2012 tournament. Meaning, your team play 7th graders in Fla where the 2017 Terp team would've played 8th & 9th graders. Fear was NOT in the thought process..

Terps have zero chance of ever beating the turtles...sorry.

I truly wonder if its just ONE turtle parent that LIVES on this site every minute of day & evening, or is it all the turtle parents? Its nonstop "turtles are the best", "turtles can kill everyone", "team 123 did good but they aren't the turtles". OMG, you turtle people are setting your sons up for failure.

There will be several D1 commits from the 2017's from LI on most of the elite teams, meaning players from Team 91, Terps, Trueblue, fl$ and the Turtles. BUT, you some of you turtle parents act like EVERY player on your team is going to be a huge NCAA D1 star and unfortunately your wrong. I feel for the Turtle player/parent that DOESNT go D1 because you need to be careful, that bright light on that spotlight can burn sometimes. Be careful.

Jump up and down all you want but my kid played against both teams and there is no comparison. BTW lighting is quickly changing to LED with 50,000 to 100,000 hours of life so chances of burning out are slim.

Being a great Lacrosse player in 8th grade is one thing, but there are several other factors that go into a kid playing at the next level. The Elephant in the room that nooone wants to talk about is the kids grades. Its all well and good that you are a great lacrosse player, but if you dont have the grades, good luck with that. The Turtles are a great 2017 team and probably the best in the country at the age group, but at some point they are going to have to stand on their own as individuals when it comes to playing at the next level. I have no doubt that many of those kids will end up playing college lacrosse, but lets slow down here, they havent even gotten into high school yet. Lots of things can happen between now and 10th grade.

In the higher grades (2015,2016) the Crabs, Dukes, West Coast Starz and a couple of other from the PA/Balt/DC area are considered as good any club on the Island. How good are those clubs in the 2017 grade? Have the Crabs or West Coast Starz played the turtles?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For some reason? If you think really hard Im pretty sure you can figure out why they didnt go to Dicks......(Hint: there was another 2017 team there from Long Island that supposed to be really good)

Turtle buddy, news flash Terps qualified in a u15a bracket by winning a Fall 2012 tournament. Meaning, your team play 7th graders in Fla where the 2017 Terp team would've played 8th & 9th graders. Fear was NOT in the thought process..

Terps have zero chance of ever beating the turtles...sorry.

I truly wonder if its just ONE turtle parent that LIVES on this site every minute of day & evening, or is it all the turtle parents? Its nonstop "turtles are the best", "turtles can kill everyone", "team 123 did good but they aren't the turtles". OMG, you turtle people are setting your sons up for failure.

There will be several D1 commits from the 2017's from LI on most of the elite teams, meaning players from Team 91, Terps, Trueblue, fl$ and the Turtles. BUT, you some of you turtle parents act like EVERY player on your team is going to be a huge NCAA D1 star and unfortunately your wrong. I feel for the Turtle player/parent that DOESNT go D1 because you need to be careful, that bright light on that spotlight can burn sometimes. Be careful.

Jump up and down all you want but my kid played against both teams and there is no comparison. BTW lighting is quickly changing to LED with 50,000 to 100,000 hours of life so chances of burning out are slim.

i should hope there is no comparison, one team together 5 years other together 5 months. And of course your son doesn't play for the turtles, liar.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Being a great Lacrosse player in 8th grade is one thing, but there are several other factors that go into a kid playing at the next level. The Elephant in the room that nooone wants to talk about is the kids grades. Its all well and good that you are a great lacrosse player, but if you dont have the grades, good luck with that. The Turtles are a great 2017 team and probably the best in the country at the age group, but at some point they are going to have to stand on their own as individuals when it comes to playing at the next level. I have no doubt that many of those kids will end up playing college lacrosse, but lets slow down here, they havent even gotten into high school yet. Lots of things can happen between now and 10th grade.

Interesting pint. Will be interesting to see how the boys will fare individually away from mother turtle. I did hear one suggestion whispered that they may decide collectively to not play for their schools and just stay together and play for turtles year round. I'll believe it when I see it but that would be a shame if that is how it unfolds or if that eventually becomes a bigger trend generally.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For some reason? If you think really hard Im pretty sure you can figure out why they didnt go to Dicks......(Hint: there was another 2017 team there from Long Island that supposed to be really good)

Turtle buddy, news flash Terps qualified in a u15a bracket by winning a Fall 2012 tournament. Meaning, your team play 7th graders in Fla where the 2017 Terp team would've played 8th & 9th graders. Fear was NOT in the thought process..

AFAIK, there were only two 2018 teams in the 27 team bracket...the rest were big kids and I mean big! Breakers AA and Denver elite were stacked with large kids and each team had a couple of 6'2" players on each end of the field...very intimidating to say the least, and extremely physical, but that did not stop the skill of the Long Island Turtles.

Represented the LI region well against some seriously big and talented kids from all over. Also, IIRC, the turtles won the summer sizzle, the mad lax and crab fest tournaments on their way to the [lacrosse]'s tourney. I think they earned just a little respect for going undefeated in all of those tournaments.

Maybe they're not the best, but they sure are trying their best. What more can you ask?

I bet the u13aa Breakers are massive! Because when we beat the u15aa Breakers in fall they were huge also! No doubt turtles are the #1 team in 2017 but I think most feel it looked a little cheesy to go down there and win by 20 goals a game but I guess all you turtle parents neede some Mickey Time!

heard that they added a couple of crabs as well...they were big fast and nasty...typical maryland players..they meet long island teams and start using physical size to compensate for lack of lax skills

I heard that rumor that they may follow the route of elite soccer, but also heard another rumor that they were instead going to collectively go to a HS in West Islip so they could all play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Being a great Lacrosse player in 8th grade is one thing, but there are several other factors that go into a kid playing at the next level. The Elephant in the room that nooone wants to talk about is the kids grades. Its all well and good that you are a great lacrosse player, but if you dont have the grades, good luck with that. The Turtles are a great 2017 team and probably the best in the country at the age group, but at some point they are going to have to stand on their own as individuals when it comes to playing at the next level. I have no doubt that many of those kids will end up playing college lacrosse, but lets slow down here, they havent even gotten into high school yet. Lots of things can happen between now and 10th grade.

Interesting pint. Will be interesting to see how the boys will fare individually away from mother turtle. I did hear one suggestion whispered that they may decide collectively to not play for their schools and just stay together and play for turtles year round. I'll believe it when I see it but that would be a shame if that is how it unfolds or if that eventually becomes a bigger trend generally.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For some reason? If you think really hard Im pretty sure you can figure out why they didnt go to Dicks......(Hint: there was another 2017 team there from Long Island that supposed to be really good)

Turtle buddy, news flash Terps qualified in a u15a bracket by winning a Fall 2012 tournament. Meaning, your team play 7th graders in Fla where the 2017 Terp team would've played 8th & 9th graders. Fear was NOT in the thought process..

Terps have zero chance of ever beating the turtles...sorry.

I truly wonder if its just ONE turtle parent that LIVES on this site every minute of day & evening, or is it all the turtle parents? Its nonstop "turtles are the best", "turtles can kill everyone", "team 123 did good but they aren't the turtles". OMG, you turtle people are setting your sons up for failure.

There will be several D1 commits from the 2017's from LI on most of the elite teams, meaning players from Team 91, Terps, Trueblue, fl$ and the Turtles. BUT, you some of you turtle parents act like EVERY player on your team is going to be a huge NCAA D1 star and unfortunately your wrong. I feel for the Turtle player/parent that DOESNT go D1 because you need to be careful, that bright light on that spotlight can burn sometimes. Be careful.

Jump up and down all you want but my kid played against both teams and there is no comparison. BTW lighting is quickly changing to LED with 50,000 to 100,000 hours of life so chances of burning out are slim.

i should hope there is no comparison, one team together 5 years other together 5 months. And of course your son doesn't play for the turtles, liar.

Let me get this right...baiting lunatics on a thread about 8th graders makes me a turtle parent?...that team is probably laughing at all of this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In the higher grades (2015,2016) the Crabs, Dukes, West Coast Starz and a couple of other from the PA/Balt/DC area are considered as good any club on the Island. How good are those clubs in the 2017 grade? Have the Crabs or West Coast Starz played the turtles?

turtles beat both and the crabs in their own tournament

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Being a great Lacrosse player in 8th grade is one thing, but there are several other factors that go into a kid playing at the next level. The Elephant in the room that nooone wants to talk about is the kids grades. Its all well and good that you are a great lacrosse player, but if you dont have the grades, good luck with that. The Turtles are a great 2017 team and probably the best in the country at the age group, but at some point they are going to have to stand on their own as individuals when it comes to playing at the next level. I have no doubt that many of those kids will end up playing college lacrosse, but lets slow down here, they havent even gotten into high school yet. Lots of things can happen between now and 10th grade.

100% correct.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Being a great Lacrosse player in 8th grade is one thing, but there are several other factors that go into a kid playing at the next level. The Elephant in the room that nooone wants to talk about is the kids grades. Its all well and good that you are a great lacrosse player, but if you dont have the grades, good luck with that. The Turtles are a great 2017 team and probably the best in the country at the age group, but at some point they are going to have to stand on their own as individuals when it comes to playing at the next level. I have no doubt that many of those kids will end up playing college lacrosse, but lets slow down here, they havent even gotten into high school yet. Lots of things can happen between now and 10th grade.

100% correct.

Is that why colleges are verbally committing to kids in 9th?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Being a great Lacrosse player in 8th grade is one thing, but there are several other factors that go into a kid playing at the next level. The Elephant in the room that nooone wants to talk about is the kids grades. Its all well and good that you are a great lacrosse player, but if you dont have the grades, good luck with that. The Turtles are a great 2017 team and probably the best in the country at the age group, but at some point they are going to have to stand on their own as individuals when it comes to playing at the next level. I have no doubt that many of those kids will end up playing college lacrosse, but lets slow down here, they havent even gotten into high school yet. Lots of things can happen between now and 10th grade.

100% correct.

Is that why colleges are verbally committing to kids in 9th?

Its been like 5 kids so far and they are all from big time prep schools.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Being a great Lacrosse player in 8th grade is one thing, but there are several other factors that go into a kid playing at the next level. The Elephant in the room that nooone wants to talk about is the kids grades. Its all well and good that you are a great lacrosse player, but if you dont have the grades, good luck with that. The Turtles are a great 2017 team and probably the best in the country at the age group, but at some point they are going to have to stand on their own as individuals when it comes to playing at the next level. I have no doubt that many of those kids will end up playing college lacrosse, but lets slow down here, they havent even gotten into high school yet. Lots of things can happen between now and 10th grade.

100% correct.

Is that why colleges are verbally committing to kids in 9th?

Its been like 5 kids so far and they are all from big time prep schools.

from areas that don't have lacrosse in public schools. Doesn't really matter, just making light of the 8th grade 10th grade mention and figured why leave the 9th grade out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Being a great Lacrosse player in 8th grade is one thing, but there are several other factors that go into a kid playing at the next level. The Elephant in the room that nooone wants to talk about is the kids grades. Its all well and good that you are a great lacrosse player, but if you dont have the grades, good luck with that. The Turtles are a great 2017 team and probably the best in the country at the age group, but at some point they are going to have to stand on their own as individuals when it comes to playing at the next level. I have no doubt that many of those kids will end up playing college lacrosse, but lets slow down here, they havent even gotten into high school yet. Lots of things can happen between now and 10th grade.

100% correct.

Is that why colleges are verbally committing to kids in 9th?

Is this true? I heard a goalie got a verbal commit in 9th grade. I thought they were not allowed to talk to them until 10th grade. I thought it was just a rumor.

Also realize the 9th graders who are committing are already over 6ft. They are not the typical 5'4 120# Freshman.
Forry Smith - 6-2 175lbs
Matt LeCompte (2015)6-2, 175-pound
Sam Offutt - 5-11, 165-pound
Mickey Fitzpatrick (2015)6-0 170-pound lefty

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For some reason? If you think really hard Im pretty sure you can figure out why they didnt go to Dicks......(Hint: there was another 2017 team there from Long Island that supposed to be really good)

Turtle buddy, news flash Terps qualified in a u15a bracket by winning a Fall 2012 tournament. Meaning, your team play 7th graders in Fla where the 2017 Terp team would've played 8th & 9th graders. Fear was NOT in the thought process..

Terps have zero chance of ever beating the turtles...sorry.

I truly wonder if its just ONE turtle parent that LIVES on this site every minute of day & evening, or is it all the turtle parents? Its nonstop "turtles are the best", "turtles can kill everyone", "team 123 did good but they aren't the turtles". OMG, you turtle people are setting your sons up for failure.

There will be several D1 commits from the 2017's from LI on most of the elite teams, meaning players from Team 91, Terps, Trueblue, fl$ and the Turtles. BUT, you some of you turtle parents act like EVERY player on your team is going to be a huge NCAA D1 star and unfortunately your wrong. I feel for the Turtle player/parent that DOESNT go D1 because you need to be careful, that bright light on that spotlight can burn sometimes. Be careful.

Many seem to actually wish this team ill will. I simply can't figure out why, but I also must point out that you come across insanely jealous for wishing failure upon a hard working crew. I'd rather improve by losing to them, than dodge 'em and hate 'em. GO LONG ISLAND TEAMS!

take 2'' and 20 lbs from each to get actual size - i bet

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For some reason? If you think really hard Im pretty sure you can figure out why they didnt go to Dicks......(Hint: there was another 2017 team there from Long Island that supposed to be really good)

Turtle buddy, news flash Terps qualified in a u15a bracket by winning a Fall 2012 tournament. Meaning, your team play 7th graders in Fla where the 2017 Terp team would've played 8th & 9th graders. Fear was NOT in the thought process..

Terps have zero chance of ever beating the turtles...sorry.

I truly wonder if its just ONE turtle parent that LIVES on this site every minute of day & evening, or is it all the turtle parents? Its nonstop "turtles are the best", "turtles can kill everyone", "team 123 did good but they aren't the turtles". OMG, you turtle people are setting your sons up for failure.

There will be several D1 commits from the 2017's from LI on most of the elite teams, meaning players from Team 91, Terps, Trueblue, fl$ and the Turtles. BUT, you some of you turtle parents act like EVERY player on your team is going to be a huge NCAA D1 star and unfortunately your wrong. I feel for the Turtle player/parent that DOESNT go D1 because you need to be careful, that bright light on that spotlight can burn sometimes. Be careful.

Many seem to actually wish this team ill will. I simply can't figure out why, but I also must point out that you come across insanely jealous for wishing failure upon a hard working crew. I'd rather improve by losing to them, than dodge 'em and hate 'em. GO LONG ISLAND TEAMS!

You are reading into something that isn't there. Nobody is wishing this team ill or wishing failure upon a hard working crew. Not sure where you got that from but its not the case.

just want everyone know that, most of these turtle kids are A and A(+) students from their own schools. They are student-athletes.
That is why this team is so special.
Not typical JOCKS!
Most will end up in IVY.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

just want everyone know that, most of these turtle kids are A and A(+) students from their own schools. They are student-athletes.
That is why this team is so special.
Not typical JOCKS!
Most will end up in IVY.

How can you possilby know their grades with any accuracy? They are special because they are great 8th grade lacrosse team players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For some reason? If you think really hard Im pretty sure you can figure out why they didnt go to Dicks......(Hint: there was another 2017 team there from Long Island that supposed to be really good)

Turtle buddy, news flash Terps qualified in a u15a bracket by winning a Fall 2012 tournament. Meaning, your team play 7th graders in Fla where the 2017 Terp team would've played 8th & 9th graders. Fear was NOT in the thought process..

Terps have zero chance of ever beating the turtles...sorry.

I truly wonder if its just ONE turtle parent that LIVES on this site every minute of day & evening, or is it all the turtle parents? Its nonstop "turtles are the best", "turtles can kill everyone", "team 123 did good but they aren't the turtles". OMG, you turtle people are setting your sons up for failure.

There will be several D1 commits from the 2017's from LI on most of the elite teams, meaning players from Team 91, Terps, Trueblue, fl$ and the Turtles. BUT, you some of you turtle parents act like EVERY player on your team is going to be a huge NCAA D1 star and unfortunately your wrong. I feel for the Turtle player/parent that DOESNT go D1 because you need to be careful, that bright light on that spotlight can burn sometimes. Be careful.

Many seem to actually wish this team ill will. I simply can't figure out why, but I also must point out that you come across insanely jealous for wishing failure upon a hard working crew. I'd rather improve by losing to them, than dodge 'em and hate 'em. GO LONG ISLAND TEAMS!

You are reading into something that isn't there. Nobody is wishing this team ill or wishing failure upon a hard working crew. Not sure where you got that from but its not the case.

Really? Look back on threads...lots of & hating going on:(

Originally Posted by Anonymous

just want everyone know that, most of these turtle kids are A and A(+) students from their own schools. They are student-athletes.
That is why this team is so special.
Not typical JOCKS!
Most will end up in IVY.

My son goes to the same school as a few of the turtles and from what he can see, those boys are "ok" students but certainly not high honor roll kind of kids - in fact none of them are regularly seen on the actual high honor roll posted in the hall. He also says they are a little cocky and kind of stick to themselves. Hopefully they will mature in areas other than their stick skills.

You are reading into something that isn't there. Nobody is wishing this team ill or wishing failure upon a hard working crew. Not sure where you got that from but its not the case. [/quote]

Really? Look back on threads...lots of & hating going on:( [/quote]

The only reason that anybody would not root for the Turtles is if they were arrogant and classless winners - which from everything I've heard and seen from a distance is definately not the case. This is a very humble, classy group of kids that knows how to win in a way that respects their opponents and more importantly spirit of the game. And that comes right from the top with classy leadership that has developed a model that should be emulated by everybody. First class all the way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

just want everyone know that, most of these turtle kids are A and A(+) students from their own schools. They are student-athletes.
That is why this team is so special.
Not typical JOCKS!
Most will end up in IVY.

My son goes to the same school as a few of the turtles and from what he can see, those boys are "ok" students but certainly not high honor roll kind of kids - in fact none of them are regularly seen on the actual high honor roll posted in the hall. He also says they are a little cocky and kind of stick to themselves. Hopefully they will mature in areas other than their stick skills.

get a life.

When every parent would love to have their son play on the team it is envy and respect that you are picking up on, not "hating".

New topic (revisited) to break the chain of insanity here.

What to do when your "town team" parents resent that your kid plays on one of the club teams that can literally wipe the town team off of the field?

Resentment can be in the forms of, but not limited to:

-Shunning at other sporting events
-Looks of contempt given your kid by other parents when associating with his town friends
-attempt by "townies" to bad mouth said club kid to HS coaches and town teammates.

Any other similar experiences out there? Sad but true.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are reading into something that isn't there. Nobody is wishing this team ill or wishing failure upon a hard working crew. Not sure where you got that from but its not the case.

Really? Look back on threads...lots of & hating going on:( [/quote]

The only reason that anybody would not root for the Turtles is if they were arrogant and classless winners - which from everything I've heard and seen from a distance is definately not the case. This is a very humble, classy group of kids that knows how to win in a way that respects their opponents and more importantly spirit of the game. And that comes right from the top with classy leadership that has developed a model that should be emulated by everybody. First class all the way. [/quote]

In the 70's SNL had a skit called "the Bizarro Planet" where everything is opposite. This last post seems right off of the script.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When every parent would love to have their son play on the team it is envy and respect that you are picking up on, not "hating".

"Envy" & "Respect" but not "Hate"? Where is that "Lax Daddy" with his vocab app?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When every parent would love to have their son play on the team it is envy and respect that you are picking up on, not "hating".

scrambled brains- you been playin without a helmet?

Every player/child has the opportunity to advance their game, whether they choose to do so is entirely up to them. There is a big committment to a club team, and as a parent of a player who has done both for years, I applaud any player who committs to both - TEAM FIRST!! Our experience has been positive with parents and players alike from our town team. We get many questions about the process and some players in our community have even joined different travel teams. The real issues arrise during their HS years when club team tournments conflict with school team tournaments, thats when parents and other players get a little weird. Being humble goes a long way, nobody likes a player who thinks they are better than others, but everyone has the opportunity to improve. Good luck

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Every player/child has the opportunity to advance their game, whether they choose to do so is entirely up to them. There is a big committment to a club team, and as a parent of a player who has done both for years, I applaud any player who committs to both - TEAM FIRST!! Our experience has been positive with parents and players alike from our town team. We get many questions about the process and some players in our community have even joined different travel teams. The real issues arrise during their HS years when club team tournments conflict with school team tournaments, thats when parents and other players get a little weird. Being humble goes a long way, nobody likes a player who thinks they are better than others, but everyone has the opportunity to improve. Good luck

Some town teams won't let a club player play for both. Then what is the solution? Play for the inferior town team or risk being placed in the town stockade for playing on a club team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When every parent would love to have their son play on the team it is envy and respect that you are picking up on, not "hating".

"Envy" & "Respect" but not "Hate"? Where is that "Lax Daddy" with his vocab app?

It's actually a well trained brain app....prone to coming of the wheels at times and stirring pots for no known reason. Schizo probably...

What's your definition of "lax daddy"?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's your definition of "lax daddy"?

Oh, Lord. PLEASE no more definitions!

I don't know of any PAL coaches that would tell their players they can't tryout for club teams, practices and games don't conflict, but then there is those Three Villagers they don't like it when their players go outside the league, but they have an outstanding program

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's your definition of "lax daddy"?

We are all lax daddy's.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't know of any PAL coaches that would tell their players they can't tryout for club teams, practices and games don't conflict, but then there is those Three Villagers they don't like it when their players go outside the league, but they have an outstanding program

You don't know enough coaches in that case. Call around. You' be surprised.

Too bad this is the case, as the town teams don't recognize that the club players are gaining valuable advanced experience that they could impart to their town school teams when they play for them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't know of any PAL coaches that would tell their players they can't tryout for club teams, practices and games don't conflict, but then there is those Three Villagers they don't like it when their players go outside the league, but they have an outstanding program

You don't know enough coaches in that case. Call around. You' be surprised.

Too bad this is the case, as the town teams don't recognize that the club players are gaining valuable advanced experience that they could impart to their town school teams when they play for them.

The entire Three Village program does not allow any player that plays for a club team be a part of the PAL program. The boys that put lacrosse first over other sports are then kicked out of the PAL program. They should keep up with the evolving lacrosse world. Unfortunately, their program is not as competitive anymore and their travel teams can no longer compete in the top tournaments. This hurts the 3V boys in the program because then they are not used to playing at that fast paced level. Then the town wonders why we can't win a county championship. Just let them all play. Cage Sage, can you check the position of the PAL directors? Curious if they know boys are being excluded.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This hurts the 3V boys in the program because then they are not used to playing at that fast paced level. Then the town wonders why we can't win a county championship.

So, better and more committed players move to elite programs and away from the "intramural" PAL program - and this is a problem, how? This is what is supposed to happen where better players move to find better competition and training. Exactly why is it the responsibility of better players to help the remaining Three Village players play at a faster pace?

Is this question really restated as "The better players leave and the teams remaining do not win - and I want the better players to stay so that the weaker players can say that they won something"?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cage Sage, can you check the position of the PAL directors? Curious if they know boys are being excluded.

Seems to me that this is a personal issue.

If you have a child being impacted, call the club and get the details. If you are unhappy with the answers, send us an e-mail to cagesage@backofthecage.com with all of the details and we will check out the issue. If worthy of coverage, it will be brought into the clear.

Meanwhile, BOTC is not in the business of club investigations assigned to us from anonymous posters.

Another thought on this subject : Ten to twelve year old boys are the same regardless of the sport - they will play the game with boys that they believe are of equal or better ability. That said, the problem of mixing better players with weaker players is that come game time, only the better players will actually touch the ball. Generally, they will not pass the ball to a player who is no better than 50/50 to catch the pass much less return an accurate throw.

The problem is not at game time and with the results - the problem is in the effort at practices and the resulting ability that comes onto the playing field. The axiom of sports achievement is quite simple : Practice builds better field play - not the other way around.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Another thought on this subject : Ten to twelve year old boys are the same regardless of the sport - they will play the game with boys that they believe are of equal or better ability. That said, the problem of mixing better players with weaker players is that come game time, only the better players will actually touch the ball. Generally, they will not pass the ball to a player who is no better than 50/50 to catch the pass much less return an accurate throw.

The problem is not at game time and with the results - the problem is in the effort at practices and the resulting ability that comes onto the playing field. The axiom of sports achievement is quite simple : Practice builds better field play - not the other way around.

Outstanding observation and comment. Spoken as a true Sage. I applaud your accuracy and the tearing down of the walls of progressive insecurity and propaganda.

Interesting tournament on Monday, January 21st with six local teams taking to the indoor fields at Long Island Sports Hub : 2017 Terps, 2017 Jesters, Predators, 2017 Piranhas, 2018 Terps, and Team Long Island. Tournament schedules follow.

Home Away Time/Status
2017 Jesters v 2017 Terps 8:00 AM
2017 Piranha v 2018 Terps 8:50 AM
Predators v 2017 Jesters 9:40 AM
2018 Terps v Team LI 10:30 AM
Predators v 2017 Terps 11:20 AM
Team LI v 2017 Piranha 12:10 PM
Consolation v Consolation 1:00 PM
1st Bracket One v 2nd Bracket Two 1:50 PM
1st Bracket Two v 2nd Bracket One 2:40 PM
Championship v Championship 3:30 PM

Its the first time for the Predators to play together. They are mostly from Bronxville and Rye. Good luck everyone. Which is the Express A team - Terps or Piranahs? Is it the same for both 2017 and 2018?

All of the Predators are class of 2017.

Originally Posted by stich2681

Its the first time for the Predators to play together. They are mostly from Bronxville and Rye. Good luck everyone. Which is the Express A team - Terps or Piranahs? Is it the same for both 2017 and 2018?

The Terps are the A team for both 2017 and 2018
The Piranhas are the B team for 2017, not sure about 2018

The schedule for the MLK tourney says 2017 Terps B. Is there more than one Terps team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The schedule for the MLK tourney says 2017 Terps B. Is there more than one Terps team?

Does not say Terps B, Just another parent trying to start a something that is not there...... Here is the scedule

MLK TOURNAMENT FF Standings
GP W L T GF GA PTS GD WP
2017 Terps 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.00
2017 Jesters 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.00
Predators 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.00
2017 Piranha 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.00
2018 Terps 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.00
Team LI 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.00

MLK TOURNAMENT FF Schedule
Date Home Away Time/Status Venue Game Type Officials
Mon-Jan 21 2017 Jesters v 2017 Terps 8:00 AM Large Turf 1 Regular-Bracket 1
Mon-Jan 21 2017 Piranha v 2018 Terps 8:50 AM Large Turf 1 Regular-Bracket 2
Mon-Jan 21 Predators v 2017 Jesters 9:40 AM Large Turf 1 Regular
Mon-Jan 21 2018 Terps v Team LI 10:30 AM Large Turf 1 Regular-Bracket 2
Mon-Jan 21 Predators v 2017 Terps 11:20 AM Large Turf 1 Regular-Bracket 1
Mon-Jan 21 Team LI v 2017 Piranha 12:10 PM Large Turf 1 Regular-Bracket 2
Mon-Jan 21 Consolation v Consolation 1:00 PM Large Turf 1 Regular
Mon-Jan 21 1st Bracket One v 2nd Bracket Two 1:50 PM Large Turf 1 Regular
Mon-Jan 21 1st Bracket Two v 2nd Bracket One 2:40 PM Large Turf 1 Regular
Mon-Jan 21 Championship v Championship 3:30 PM Large Turf 1 Regular

i saw both teams play this fall... there is a significant drop in talent from the 2017 Express terps team and the piranhas team.

Wolverines are B team for 2018 Express

Results from games played on January 19th is Week #2 at the Long Island Sports Hub Indoor League (Session II) :

Long Island Storm and North Shore Black Knights Draw, 5-5
Daler Nation and North Shore Midshipmen Draw, 10-10
Long Island Tomahawks over Rough Riders, 12-1

Standings After Week Two

GP W L T GF GA PTS GD
Long Island Tomahawks 2 2 0 0 22 9 6 13
North Shore Midshipmen 1 0 0 1 10 10 1 0
Long Island Storm 1 0 0 1 5 5 1 0
North Shore Black Knights 1 0 0 1 5 5 1 0
DalerNation 2 0 1 1 18 20 1 -2
Rough Riders 1 0 1 0 1 12 0 -11

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The schedule for the MLK tourney says 2017 Terps B. Is there more than one Terps team?

Just heard Coach C doesn't have the real 2017 Terps at the tournament today. I heard every starter was asked to stay home. Makes no sense.

Never heard of any team doing this before for a tourney. Interesting. Also heard some of the team are doing seperate practices. Bizarro.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The schedule for the MLK tourney says 2017 Terps B. Is there more than one Terps team?

Just heard Coach C doesn't have the real 2017 Terps at the tournament today. I heard every starter was asked to stay home. Makes no sense.

Makes perfect sense. It's a great way to develop the non-starters who otherwise get limited playing time. And, quite frankly; the starters have nothing to prove against that line up of entered teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The schedule for the MLK tourney says 2017 Terps B. Is there more than one Terps team?

Just heard Coach C doesn't have the real 2017 Terps at the tournament today. I heard every starter was asked to stay home. Makes no sense.

Makes perfect sense. It's a great way to develop the non-starters who otherwise get limited playing time. And, quite frankly; the starters have nothing to prove against that line up of entered teams.

Looked like the later games they were down about 6 kids. There was 17 there today for games 2 on, 23 on the team I think. I didn't see the first game but they lost to the Jesters so they may have started with less and called in a few to make sure they got the wins the rest of the way.

Game Results from the Monday, January 21st MLK Tournament at the Long Island Sports Hub.

Group Play Results

2017 Jesters over 2017 Terps, 7-5
2018 Terps over 2017 Piranha, 13-4
2017 Jesters over Predators, 10-9, Overtime
2018 Terps over Team LI, 7-4
2017 Terps double Predators, 10-5
Team LI over 2017 Piranha, 10-1
Team LI edges 2017 Jesters, 6-5
2017 Terps double 2018 Terps, 12-6

Standings

2017 Terps 2W-1L, +9
Team LI 2W-1L, +7
2018 Terps 2W-1L, +6
2017 Jesters 2W-1L, +2
Predators 0W-2L
2017 Piranha 0W-2L

Championship Final

2017 Terps over Team LI, 9-3

Commentary on the Tournament : Was that 12-6 win for the 2017 Terps the game that cost the 2018 Terps a replay in the championship final due to goal differential? Now, it was probably a good thing that Team LI played the 2017 Terps in the last match, but just an observation on how it played out!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The schedule for the MLK tourney says 2017 Terps B. Is there more than one Terps team?

Just heard Coach C doesn't have the real 2017 Terps at the tournament today. I heard every starter was asked to stay home. Makes no sense.

Makes perfect sense. It's a great way to develop the non-starters who otherwise get limited playing time. And, quite frankly; the starters have nothing to prove against that line up of entered teams.

Looked like the later games they were down about 6 kids. There was 17 there today for games 2 on, 23 on the team I think. I didn't see the first game but they lost to the Jesters so they may have started with less and called in a few to make sure they got the wins the rest of the way.

2017 Terps had 17 players from game 1 into the championship. None of the other Terp players were called in at anytime. I heard this was full disclosure amongst the team days ago.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The schedule for the MLK tourney says 2017 Terps B. Is there more than one Terps team?

Just heard Coach C doesn't have the real 2017 Terps at the tournament today. I heard every starter was asked to stay home. Makes no sense.

Makes perfect sense. It's a great way to develop the non-starters who otherwise get limited playing time. And, quite frankly; the starters have nothing to prove against that line up of entered teams.

Can we say Bill B from New England. Very smart. Every time I enter a team in a tournament I will put B next to their name when the whole squad can't be there just in case we don't win the tournament. If we do then our b team won and we are the greatest.

No, the 12-6 lose was in the semis. They were running a bracket. Team Long Island had a better draw playing against the jesters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The schedule for the MLK tourney says 2017 Terps B. Is there more than one Terps team?

Just heard Coach C doesn't have the real 2017 Terps at the tournament today. I heard every starter was asked to stay home. Makes no sense.

Makes perfect sense. It's a great way to develop the non-starters who otherwise get limited playing time. And, quite frankly; the starters have nothing to prove against that line up of entered teams.

Looked like the later games they were down about 6 kids. There was 17 there today for games 2 on, 23 on the team I think. I didn't see the first game but they lost to the Jesters so they may have started with less and called in a few to make sure they got the wins the rest of the way.

My son plays for a rival club but is friends with many 2017 Terps. We have also scrimmaged them this past fall. I can tell you that if MC brought in his normal starters into this tournament (being the competition in the tournament today) it would look like an interstate sign with the score difference. Seriously. End of day, MC did the right thing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The schedule for the MLK tourney says 2017 Terps B. Is there more than one Terps team?

Just heard Coach C doesn't have the real 2017 Terps at the tournament today. I heard every starter was asked to stay home. Makes no sense.

Makes perfect sense. It's a great way to develop the non-starters who otherwise get limited playing time. And, quite frankly; the starters have nothing to prove against that line up of entered teams.

Looked like the later games they were down about 6 kids. There was 17 there today for games 2 on, 23 on the team I think. I didn't see the first game but they lost to the Jesters so they may have started with less and called in a few to make sure they got the wins the rest of the way.

2017 Terps had 17 players from game 1 into the championship. None of the other Terp players were called in at anytime. I heard this was full disclosure amongst the team days ago.

Good for them then, to start off with a lose to the jesters and then win out , the group of kids must have gelled some.

Mostly a nice tournament and competetive games all day, couple of bravehearts and OT games. The HUB is a nice facility, although the big field is a little narrow and tight for the 8th graders. On a negative note, the officiating was about as bad as it gets. You would think with the quality of the competition they would have hired competent officials. Very frustrating to watch officials that dont know the game and insist on being involved in the game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The schedule for the MLK tourney says 2017 Terps B. Is there more than one Terps team?

Just heard Coach C doesn't have the real 2017 Terps at the tournament today. I heard every starter was asked to stay home. Makes no sense.

Makes perfect sense. It's a great way to develop the non-starters who otherwise get limited playing time. And, quite frankly; the starters have nothing to prove against that line up of entered teams.

Can we say Bill B from New England. Very smart. Every time I enter a team in a tournament I will put B next to their name when the whole squad can't be there just in case we don't win the tournament. If we do then our b team won and we are the greatest.

It's not their b team. It's their team down some starters. Every team plays down a few players. They just chose to do it for a certain number. Injuries / vacations/ conflicts happen, not always going to have the full starters. They may have purposely left a few studs home but they didn't need them today and the other kids stepped up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The schedule for the MLK tourney says 2017 Terps B. Is there more than one Terps team?

Just heard Coach C doesn't have the real 2017 Terps at the tournament today. I heard every starter was asked to stay home. Makes no sense.

Makes perfect sense. It's a great way to develop the non-starters who otherwise get limited playing time. And, quite frankly; the starters have nothing to prove against that line up of entered teams.

Can we say Bill B from New England. Very smart. Every time I enter a team in a tournament I will put B next to their name when the whole squad can't be there just in case we don't win the tournament. If we do then our b team won and we are the greatest.

It's not their b team. It's their team down some starters. Every team plays down a few players. They just chose to do it for a certain number. Injuries / vacations/ conflicts happen, not always going to have the full starters. They may have purposely left a few studs home but they didn't need them today and the other kids stepped up.

They are awesome!!! Deal with it!! Best of 2017!!!

Hello you lost to the Jesters first game. That is stepping up?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hello you lost to the Jesters first game. That is stepping up?

2017 EXPRESS TERPS won the CHAMPIONSHIP, so i would say that most would agree that is STEPPING UP.

The team your team beat OT, the terps that won it all yesterday beat that team by
5 goals. The 7th grade team that BEAT YOUR 8th grade Jester (i would be concerned with that) well that Terps beat them by 6 goals.
And remember when we played a full scrimmage at Hub with our FULL team weeks back? Your jesters got pounded. Your not in our world, sorry.

Had a bad first half and way to many penalties, playing man down.
They jelled after that and killed the teams the Jesters beat in a brave heart and other they lost to.
But no excuses they played bad and lost the first game.
It happens to every team and its more important that they recovered and learned from it.

Is team LI a 2017 or 2018? Or is it a mixed U team?

The 2017 terps are not an all inclusive world. The second string terps are not in the world of the starters, so which world do YOU, or actually your son, belong to?? Enjoy playing time come summer, or are you just looking for a photo op with starters?

They lost to Jesters first game, deal with it

15 calls against in any one game can take anyone out of a tournament

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The schedule for the MLK tourney says 2017 Terps B. Is there more than one Terps team?

Just heard Coach C doesn't have the real 2017 Terps at the tournament today. I heard every starter was asked to stay home. Makes no sense.

Makes perfect sense. It's a great way to develop the non-starters who otherwise get limited playing time. And, quite frankly; the starters have nothing to prove against that line up of entered teams.

Can we say Bill B from New England. Very smart. Every time I enter a team in a tournament I will put B next to their name when the whole squad can't be there just in case we don't win the tournament. If we do then our b team won and we are the greatest.

It's not their b team. It's their team down some starters. Every team plays down a few players. They just chose to do it for a certain number. Injuries / vacations/ conflicts happen, not always going to have the full starters. They may have purposely left a few studs home but they didn't need them today and the other kids stepped up.

They are awesome!!! Deal with it!! Best of 2017!!!

I thought the Turtles were considered the best in the 2017 grade until somebody beats them? Why didn't they play in this tournament?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The schedule for the MLK tourney says 2017 Terps B. Is there more than one Terps team?

Just heard Coach C doesn't have the real 2017 Terps at the tournament today. I heard every starter was asked to stay home. Makes no sense.

Makes perfect sense. It's a great way to develop the non-starters who otherwise get limited playing time. And, quite frankly; the starters have nothing to prove against that line up of entered teams.

Can we say Bill B from New England. Very smart. Every time I enter a team in a tournament I will put B next to their name when the whole squad can't be there just in case we don't win the tournament. If we do then our b team won and we are the greatest.

It's not their b team. It's their team down some starters. Every team plays down a few players. They just chose to do it for a certain number. Injuries / vacations/ conflicts happen, not always going to have the full starters. They may have purposely left a few studs home but they didn't need them today and the other kids stepped up.

Sounds like typical Express...The "B" Terp players better start looking elsewhere because MC will have you replaced by April!!! This happens every year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hello you lost to the Jesters first game. That is stepping up?

2017 EXPRESS TERPS won the CHAMPIONSHIP, so i would say that most would agree that is STEPPING UP.

The team your team beat OT, the terps that won it all yesterday beat that team by
5 goals. The 7th grade team that BEAT YOUR 8th grade Jester (i would be concerned with that) well that Terps beat them by 6 goals.
And remember when we played a full scrimmage at Hub with our FULL team weeks back? Your jesters got pounded. Your not in our world, sorry.

Well said! Oh and let's not forget that the Terp 2018 Team (7th grade) also beat the Jesters 2017 team in a scrimmage at the HUB

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is team LI a 2017 or 2018? Or is it a mixed U team?

was a full 2018 team, outstanding goalie

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hello you lost to the Jesters first game. That is stepping up?

2017 EXPRESS TERPS won the CHAMPIONSHIP, so i would say that most would agree that is STEPPING UP.

The team your team beat OT, the terps that won it all yesterday beat that team by
5 goals. The 7th grade team that BEAT YOUR 8th grade Jester (i would be concerned with that) well that Terps beat them by 6 goals.
And remember when we played a full scrimmage at Hub with our FULL team weeks back? Your jesters got pounded. Your not in our world, sorry.

Well said! Oh and let's not forget that the Terp 2018 Team (7th grade) also beat the Jesters 2017 team in a scrimmage at the HUB

No they didn't

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hello you lost to the Jesters first game. That is stepping up?

2017 EXPRESS TERPS won the CHAMPIONSHIP, so i would say that most would agree that is STEPPING UP.

The team your team beat OT, the terps that won it all yesterday beat that team by
5 goals. The 7th grade team that BEAT YOUR 8th grade Jester (i would be concerned with that) well that Terps beat them by 6 goals.
And remember when we played a full scrimmage at Hub with our FULL team weeks back? Your jesters got pounded. Your not in our world, sorry.

Well said! Oh and let's not forget that the Terp 2018 Team (7th grade) also beat the Jesters 2017 team in a scrimmage at the HUB

No they didn't

yes they did by 2 goals, even though all the Jester parents are saying it was a tie

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is team LI a 2017 or 2018? Or is it a mixed U team?

was a full 2018 team, outstanding goalie

They have 5 or 6 young 2017's. They all qualify for u-13. For the most part they have the same age mix as all the other 2018 teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hello you lost to the Jesters first game. That is stepping up?

2017 EXPRESS TERPS won the CHAMPIONSHIP, so i would say that most would agree that is STEPPING UP.

The team your team beat OT, the terps that won it all yesterday beat that team by
5 goals. The 7th grade team that BEAT YOUR 8th grade Jester (i would be concerned with that) well that Terps beat them by 6 goals.
And remember when we played a full scrimmage at Hub with our FULL team weeks back? Your jesters got pounded. Your not in our world, sorry.

Well said! Oh and let's not forget that the Terp 2018 Team (7th grade) also beat the Jesters 2017 team in a scrimmage at the HUB

No they didn't

yes they did by 2 goals, even though all the Jester parents are saying it was a tie

Yes true, 2018 Terps did beat the 2017 Jesters for sure in a game at hub.

The Turtles would have beaten every team that was there by 15 goals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hello you lost to the Jesters first game. That is stepping up?

2017 EXPRESS TERPS won the CHAMPIONSHIP, so i would say that most would agree that is STEPPING UP.

The team your team beat OT, the terps that won it all yesterday beat that team by
5 goals. The 7th grade team that BEAT YOUR 8th grade Jester (i would be concerned with that) well that Terps beat them by 6 goals.
And remember when we played a full scrimmage at Hub with our FULL team weeks back? Your jesters got pounded. Your not in our world, sorry.

Well said! Oh and let's not forget that the Terp 2018 Team (7th grade) also beat the Jesters 2017 team in a scrimmage at the HUB

No they didn't

yes they did by 2 goals, even though all the Jester parents are saying it was a tie

Whatever.

Good luck this year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hello you lost to the Jesters first game. That is stepping up?

2017 EXPRESS TERPS won the CHAMPIONSHIP, so i would say that most would agree that is STEPPING UP.

The team your team beat OT, the terps that won it all yesterday beat that team by
5 goals. The 7th grade team that BEAT YOUR 8th grade Jester (i would be concerned with that) well that Terps beat them by 6 goals.
And remember when we played a full scrimmage at Hub with our FULL team weeks back? Your jesters got pounded. Your not in our world, sorry.

Well said! Oh and let's not forget that the Terp 2018 Team (7th grade) also beat the Jesters 2017 team in a scrimmage at the HUB

No they didn't

yes they did by 2 goals, even though all the Jester parents are saying it was a tie

Yes true, 2018 Terps did beat the 2017 Jesters for sure in a game at hub.

A little reality-

2018 Terps did not beat 2017 Jesters, in fact Jesters were up after (2) 24 minute halves and MC (who officiated the scrimmage) added a 3RD "period" as Jesters were packing up to leave just so boys could catch up. They did, congrats you TIED. I could add more interesting facts but no need. Believe me, not one 2017 Jesters player or parent is proud, but that IS what happened. If you feel better thinking your son's team won, CONGRATS you won!

2017 Terps (full A squad) did beat (pound) 2017 Jesters something 11-3. Better, bigger, faster team WITH "A" squad. We appreciate that they are good. However we also know that there are maybe 4 kids that should be 2016/9th graders. Again, just what it is, still a very good team.

2017 Terps (B squad) lost to 2017 Jesters 7-5. No excuses please, is what it is, a loss. We have all had our boys win and lose to the same team, yesterday Jesters won.

There are good athletes and players all around. Some days results go one way, some days the other.

Team LI has only 4 2017, all others are 2018.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The schedule for the MLK tourney says 2017 Terps B. Is there more than one Terps team?

Just heard Coach C doesn't have the real 2017 Terps at the tournament today. I heard every starter was asked to stay home. Makes no sense.

Makes perfect sense. It's a great way to develop the non-starters who otherwise get limited playing time. And, quite frankly; the starters have nothing to prove against that line up of entered teams.

Can we say Bill B from New England. Very smart. Every time I enter a team in a tournament I will put B next to their name when the whole squad can't be there just in case we don't win the tournament. If we do then our b team won and we are the greatest.

It's not their b team. It's their team down some starters. Every team plays down a few players. They just chose to do it for a certain number. Injuries / vacations/ conflicts happen, not always going to have the full starters. They may have purposely left a few studs home but they didn't need them today and the other kids stepped up.

They are awesome!!! Deal with it!! Best of 2017!!!

"Best of 2017"? Thats a stretch!

No excuses Terps 2017 minus some players (no they were not a B team)lost to the Jesters 2017 team 7-5. That being said they recovered and won out and have never lost to ANY 7th grade team. So reality is if we were B what does that make the 2017 Jesters team who lost to Team Long Island, C?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No excuses Terps 2017 minus some players (no they were not a B team)lost to the Jesters 2017 team 7-5. That being said they recovered and won out and have never lost to ANY 7th grade team. So reality is if we were B what does that make the 2017 Jesters team who lost to Team Long Island, C?

No, unless you personally feel a need to, just made bad decisions and not disciplined in game against Team LI. It happens, no excuse. Team LI kids hustled and deserved it.

The Jesters beat the kids that paid for MC new indoor pool.

Dont know if any of you who were there yesterday noticed but between games, a bunch of the Jesters kids and Terps kids were sitting together talking and fooling around and being 13 yr old boys. They clearly get it, some of you apparently do not. Is it really that important who won some indoor tournament in January? If it makes you feel better then good for you.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dont know if any of you who were there yesterday noticed but between games, a bunch of the Jesters kids and Terps kids were sitting together talking and fooling around and being 13 yr old boys. They clearly get it, some of you apparently do not. Is it really that important who won some indoor tournament in January? If it makes you feel better then good for you.....

It really is great to see that they are all friends and have a camaraderie that rises above the competition and are being "kids". One of my favorite things about LAX kids!

Parent: stay out of it and let the kids play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Turtles would have beaten every team that was there by 15 goals.

No one took the bait....do you know why? Because it was classless to claim that.

If they are better; so be it. At least show some humbleness. Those kids work hard, just like every other kid; but they are the last to blow their own horn. Lead by example.

All the teams played good,hard lacrosse. It was a well run tournament in a great facility.Some of the refs calls were questionable. But all in all it was good to see all the kids having fun and even rooting each other on in a few of the games. Nice day for our group. Loved the full 40 min games.On another note,remember these posts on these boards many contain no names. Some over zealous parents are making false claims and comments that are unbecoming and trying to fuel the fire and cause arguments. Don't believe everything you read.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hello you lost to the Jesters first game. That is stepping up?

2017 EXPRESS TERPS won the CHAMPIONSHIP, so i would say that most would agree that is STEPPING UP.

The team your team beat OT, the terps that won it all yesterday beat that team by
5 goals. The 7th grade team that BEAT YOUR 8th grade Jester (i would be concerned with that) well that Terps beat them by 6 goals.
And remember when we played a full scrimmage at Hub with our FULL team weeks back? Your jesters got pounded. Your not in our world, sorry.

Absolutely disgraceful, shameless post.....

Dont worry, noone cares about your world, weve seen your world and we dont want any part of it. My kid is happy in his world where he made a team on his own ability, not my ability to write a check and break some directors chops (Id be concerned with that)....you can keep that lax bizarro world or whatever you call it....

It was a nice tournament and all teams played well. Why do adults need to take one day of lacrosse and spin so much negativity into it?! My son knew players on several teams and hung out with some of these boys during games. Lets all just be thankful that our sons are playing a game that they love with good people instead of many other routes teenage boys could possibly take.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It was a nice tournament and all teams played well. Why do adults need to take one day of lacrosse and spin so much negativity into it?! My son knew players on several teams and hung out with some of these boys during games. Lets all just be thankful that our sons are playing a game that they love with good people instead of many other routes teenage boys could possibly take.

Excellent post, agree 100 percent. It seems to me that the negativity is coming from one direction, the same direction it always seems to come from.

hey 2017 parents.how many of your 8th graders play u13?having a problem with a school program filling a u13 team with 8th graders. was wondering if it is a wide spread accepted thing

you people that wtite serious replies make me laugh,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

hey 2017 parents.how many of your 8th graders play u13?having a problem with a school program filling a u13 team with 8th graders. was wondering if it is a wide spread accepted thing

The 8th graders will be turning 14 yrs of age during the school year. They would be breaking the U13 rule. Not as if that hasn't been done before!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hello you lost to the Jesters first game. That is stepping up?

2017 EXPRESS TERPS won the CHAMPIONSHIP, so i would say that most would agree that is STEPPING UP.

The team your team beat OT, the terps that won it all yesterday beat that team by
5 goals. The 7th grade team that BEAT YOUR 8th grade Jester (i would be concerned with that) well that Terps beat them by 6 goals.
And remember when we played a full scrimmage at Hub with our FULL team weeks back? Your jesters got pounded. Your not in our world, sorry.

Well said! Oh and let's not forget that the Terp 2018 Team (7th grade) also beat the Jesters 2017 team in a scrimmage at the HUB

Is it really "well said" when two people sound like some guido Jersey Shore knuckled headed trailer thugs? Take a step back, and read what you've written. This is youth sports.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

hey 2017 parents.how many of your 8th graders play u13?having a problem with a school program filling a u13 team with 8th graders. was wondering if it is a wide spread accepted thing

Most 2017 kids will not qualify for u13 - some do. In fact there would be quite a few 2018 kids that don't qualify for U13. Those kids that were born in July/August and held back.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The schedule for the MLK tourney says 2017 Terps B. Is there more than one Terps team?

Just heard Coach C doesn't have the real 2017 Terps at the tournament today. I heard every starter was asked to stay home. Makes no sense.

Makes perfect sense. It's a great way to develop the non-starters who otherwise get limited playing time. And, quite frankly; the starters have nothing to prove against that line up of entered teams.

Looked like the later games they were down about 6 kids. There was 17 there today for games 2 on, 23 on the team I think. I didn't see the first game but they lost to the Jesters so they may have started with less and called in a few to make sure they got the wins the rest of the way.

My son plays for a rival club but is friends with many 2017 Terps. We have also scrimmaged them this past fall. I can tell you that if MC brought in his normal starters into this tournament (being the competition in the tournament today) it would look like an interstate sign with the score difference. Seriously. End of day, MC did the right thing.

OK! Here we go! More Express water-down roster-split fundraising action. The parents and the kids will not know who is a teammate from week to week, line ups and rosters will be in no way similar to their status now when spring rolls around. Am I wrong? You can not deny this, as you see it happening now. Good luck, enablers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The schedule for the MLK tourney says 2017 Terps B. Is there more than one Terps team?

Just heard Coach C doesn't have the real 2017 Terps at the tournament today. I heard every starter was asked to stay home. Makes no sense.

Makes perfect sense. It's a great way to develop the non-starters who otherwise get limited playing time. And, quite frankly; the starters have nothing to prove against that line up of entered teams.

Wow. Do you truly believe that? You sound as if you actually do. It is simple; more kids means more $$. Bottom line

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The schedule for the MLK tourney says 2017 Terps B. Is there more than one Terps team?

Just heard Coach C doesn't have the real 2017 Terps at the tournament today. I heard every starter was asked to stay home. Makes no sense.

Makes perfect sense. It's a great way to develop the non-starters who otherwise get limited playing time. And, quite frankly; the starters have nothing to prove against that line up of entered teams.

Can we say Bill B from New England. Very smart. Every time I enter a team in a tournament I will put B next to their name when the whole squad can't be there just in case we don't win the tournament. If we do then our b team won and we are the greatest.

It's not their b team. It's their team down some starters. Every team plays down a few players. They just chose to do it for a certain number. Injuries / vacations/ conflicts happen, not always going to have the full starters. They may have purposely left a few studs home but they didn't need them today and the other kids stepped up.

NOBODY leaves studs home, EVER

Thank you. Whoever posted that about the Turtles, try to stir the pot... Not working. Sorry.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

hey 2017 parents.how many of your 8th graders play u13?having a problem with a school program filling a u13 team with 8th graders. was wondering if it is a wide spread accepted thing

Im a little confused by your question, but as a general rule 8th graders are U-15 not U-13

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The schedule for the MLK tourney says 2017 Terps B. Is there more than one Terps team?

Just heard Coach C doesn't have the real 2017 Terps at the tournament today. I heard every starter was asked to stay home. Makes no sense.

Makes perfect sense. It's a great way to develop the non-starters who otherwise get limited playing time. And, quite frankly; the starters have nothing to prove against that line up of entered teams.

Can we say Bill B from New England. Very smart. Every time I enter a team in a tournament I will put B next to their name when the whole squad can't be there just in case we don't win the tournament. If we do then our b team won and we are the greatest.

It's not their b team. It's their team down some starters. Every team plays down a few players. They just chose to do it for a certain number. Injuries / vacations/ conflicts happen, not always going to have the full starters. They may have purposely left a few studs home but they didn't need them today and the other kids stepped up.

NOBODY leaves studs home, EVER

Well, MC did.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The schedule for the MLK tourney says 2017 Terps B. Is there more than one Terps team?

Just heard Coach C doesn't have the real 2017 Terps at the tournament today. I heard every starter was asked to stay home. Makes no sense.

Makes perfect sense. It's a great way to develop the non-starters who otherwise get limited playing time. And, quite frankly; the starters have nothing to prove against that line up of entered teams.

Wow. Do you truly believe that? You sound as if you actually do. It is simple; more kids means more $$. Bottom line

You really are a very disgruntled person. It is very clear the level of animosity you have for an excellent program. It is thinly veiled and tinged with jealousy on multiple levels.

Perhaps your not happy with yourself or the team you're investing in and maybe it is not living up to the standard of the express program. You cannot deny their successes and their growth is a direct extension of this. Do yourself a favor; take your kid out of the sport if it makes you so unhappy to compete with a winning program. win or lose; the express kids do it with class and are challenged by either result to improve.

Your kid might benefit by joining up. You might become happy if he's on a winning team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The schedule for the MLK tourney says 2017 Terps B. Is there more than one Terps team?

Just heard Coach C doesn't have the real 2017 Terps at the tournament today. I heard every starter was asked to stay home. Makes no sense.

Makes perfect sense. It's a great way to develop the non-starters who otherwise get limited playing time. And, quite frankly; the starters have nothing to prove against that line up of entered teams.

Wow. Do you truly believe that? You sound as if you actually do. It is simple; more kids means more $$. Bottom line

You really are a very disgruntled person. It is very clear the level of animosity you have for an excellent program. It is thinly veiled and tinged with jealousy on multiple levels.

Perhaps your not happy with yourself or the team you're investing in and maybe it is not living up to the standard of the express program. You cannot deny their successes and their growth is a direct extension of this. Do yourself a favor; take your kid out of the sport if it makes you so unhappy to compete with a winning program. win or lose; the express kids do it with class and are challenged by either result to improve.

Your kid might benefit by joining up. You might become happy if he's on a winning team.

It doesn't sound disgruntled, it sounds realistic. Do you see what you have bought into? MC has already divided this team. "The Studs" were left home & what? the scrubs were allowed to play in this tournament? & you are all on here saying how wonderful he is for allowing this? UNBELIEVABLE!!! What is in that cool aide? By mid-July he will have a new team put together, playing in a small tournament & everyone will be on here (AGAIN) complaining about it. Good luck in you oh so wonderful bizaroo world of Express Lacrosse!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The schedule for the MLK tourney says 2017 Terps B. Is there more than one Terps team?

Just heard Coach C doesn't have the real 2017 Terps at the tournament today. I heard every starter was asked to stay home. Makes no sense.

Makes perfect sense. It's a great way to develop the non-starters who otherwise get limited playing time. And, quite frankly; the starters have nothing to prove against that line up of entered teams.

Wow. Do you truly believe that? You sound as if you actually do. It is simple; more kids means more $$. Bottom line

You really are a very disgruntled person. It is very clear the level of animosity you have for an excellent program. It is thinly veiled and tinged with jealousy on multiple levels.

Perhaps your not happy with yourself or the team you're investing in and maybe it is not living up to the standard of the express program. You cannot deny their successes and their growth is a direct extension of this. Do yourself a favor; take your kid out of the sport if it makes you so unhappy to compete with a winning program. win or lose; the express kids do it with class and are challenged by either result to improve.

Your kid might benefit by joining up. You might become happy if he's on a winning team.

It doesn't sound disgruntled, it sounds realistic. Do you see what you have bought into? MC has already divided this team. "The Studs" were left home & what? the scrubs were allowed to play in this tournament? & you are all on here saying how wonderful he is for allowing this? UNBELIEVABLE!!! What is in that cool aide? By mid-July he will have a new team put together, playing in a small tournament & everyone will be on here (AGAIN) complaining about it. Good luck in you oh so wonderful bizaroo world of Express Lacrosse!

take it easy with the caffeine, bro....

Hey do you know what another team in the express fold means to their owners...$25,000. For some lacrosse has just become a business.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The schedule for the MLK tourney says 2017 Terps B. Is there more than one Terps team?

Just heard Coach C doesn't have the real 2017 Terps at the tournament today. I heard every starter was asked to stay home. Makes no sense.

Makes perfect sense. It's a great way to develop the non-starters who otherwise get limited playing time. And, quite frankly; the starters have nothing to prove against that line up of entered teams.

Wow. Do you truly believe that? You sound as if you actually do. It is simple; more kids means more $$. Bottom line

You really are a very disgruntled person. It is very clear the level of animosity you have for an excellent program. It is thinly veiled and tinged with jealousy on multiple levels.

Perhaps your not happy with yourself or the team you're investing in and maybe it is not living up to the standard of the express program. You cannot deny their successes and their growth is a direct extension of this. Do yourself a favor; take your kid out of the sport if it makes you so unhappy to compete with a winning program. win or lose; the express kids do it with class and are challenged by either result to improve.

Your kid might benefit by joining up. You might become happy if he's on a winning team.

I am sorry that you feel that way. Can you not recognize that what I have described always occurs, is happeninG right now, and you are supporting it. My child HAS been on a team which underwent this transformation. Most of the season was consumed by unnecessary confusion, and aggravation. You will see this, although I do NOT wish it upon you, as the kids suffer, their game is in no way what it could be, and the parents seem to be always guessing who will be attending games, or tournaments, or practice. We moved on due to this, and see it happening again. Good luck to you and yours

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]The schedule for the MLK tourney says 2017 Terps B. Is there more than one Terps team?

Just heard Coach C doesn't have the real 2017 Terps at the tournament today. I heard every starter was asked to stay home. Makes no sense.

Makes perfect sense. It's a great way to develop the non-starters who otherwise get limited playing time. And, quite frankly; the starters have nothing to prove against that line up of entered teams.

Wow. Do you truly believe that? You sound as if you actually do. It is simple; more kids means more $$. Bottom line

You really are a very disgruntled person. It is very clear the level of animosity you have for an excellent program. It is thinly veiled and tinged with jealousy on multiple levels.

Perhaps your not happy with yourself or the team you're investing in and maybe it is not living up to the standard of the express program. You cannot deny their successes and their growth is a direct extension of this. Do yourself a favor; take your kid out of the sport if it makes you so unhappy to compete with a winning program. win or lose; the express kids do it with class and are challenged by either result to improve.

Your kid might benefit by joining up. You might become happy if he's on a winning team. [/quote

Wow.... It is not believable that you even posted the last sentence. Folks, please, for your own good, re-read and delay for a couple of minuutes before clicking "submit". The program of which we are speaking DOES do many things to field winning teams, this is CORRECT. The price that is paid is highly unnecessary. In closing, the team that we left the club which you defend so staunchly, repeatedly "WINS" over our old affiliation, to speak in YOUR terms.

that is my point. my 6th grader cant tryout cause the team is being filled with 8th graders. does everyone do it? do you 8th grade parents let your sons play down?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The schedule for the MLK tourney says 2017 Terps B. Is there more than one Terps team?

Just heard Coach C doesn't have the real 2017 Terps at the tournament today. I heard every starter was asked to stay home. Makes no sense.

Makes perfect sense. It's a great way to develop the non-starters who otherwise get limited playing time. And, quite frankly; the starters have nothing to prove against that line up of entered teams.

Wow. Do you truly believe that? You sound as if you actually do. It is simple; more kids means more $$. Bottom line

You really are a very disgruntled person. It is very clear the level of animosity you have for an excellent program. It is thinly veiled and tinged with jealousy on multiple levels.

Perhaps your not happy with yourself or the team you're investing in and maybe it is not living up to the standard of the express program. You cannot deny their successes and their growth is a direct extension of this. Do yourself a favor; take your kid out of the sport if it makes you so unhappy to compete with a winning program. win or lose; the express kids do it with class and are challenged by either result to improve.

Your kid might benefit by joining up. You might become happy if he's on a winning team.

I think that, to you, I SOOUND like a disgruntled person. It does take a bit more familiarity than can be had in my, and your anonymous posts. WINNING:HAPPY. Oh so mislead!

Yes, of course. We 8th grade parents encourage our children to try out for 6th grade team.We think that nobody who may live nearby, or whom may know our kids from past affiliation, will realize this, and our kids will bash the younger kids around.
of course this is so. Boy, I agree with the policy of anonymity on this site, but I would suggest an IQ qualification be required.... truly

Originally Posted by Anonymous

that is my point. my 6th grader cant tryout cause the team is being filled with 8th graders. does everyone do it? do you 8th grade parents let your sons play down?

How are the playing down if they are the same age? Have your 13 year old 6 grader play on a 6th grade team and he will be a stud.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

that is my point. my 6th grader cant tryout cause the team is being filled with 8th graders. does everyone do it? do you 8th grade parents let your sons play down?

How are the playing down if they are the same age? Have your 13 year old 6 grader play on a 6th grade team and he will be a stud.

Maybe this 13 yr old 6th grader should play less and study more. Image of Lenny from Mice and Men comes to mind!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thank you. Whoever posted that about the Turtles, try to stir the pot... Not working. Sorry.

No reference to that team which you mention, unless i am missing something.

Heard there are 300 plus 2017 kids at the 3D Blue Chip in LarryMiller.
What happens if a kid doesn't do so well down there? Is it true that they won't be invited back?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard there are 300 plus 2017 kids at the 3D Blue Chip in LarryMiller.
What happens if a kid doesn't do so well down there? Is it true that they won't be invited back?

There are only 120 2017 kids here at 3D Blue Chip. Only a select few kids will be invited to Jake Reeds camp this summer.

There are 112 kids down in the age group

Is the LarryMiller event the only way to get the invite to the Blue Chip Rising Freshman summer camp? Do coaches no longer get to submit names for an invite?

my point is..the 6th graders who are u13 eligable(u13 means under 13 years old "george")and play u13 currently are being excluded from tryouts so the h.s. coach can fill his team with 8th grade not u13 eligable boys.was wondering how many h.s. programs do this to compete with the travel teams?that being the excuse the h.s. coach gave the 6th grade as to why they are being excluded.thank you for your witty and off topic reply hopfully we can either answer in a constructive manner or ignore this. sincerly phil

Originally Posted by Anonymous

my point is..the 6th graders who are u13 eligable(u13 means under 13 years old "george")and play u13 currently are being excluded from tryouts so the h.s. coach can fill his team with 8th grade not u13 eligable boys.was wondering how many h.s. programs do this to compete with the travel teams?that being the excuse the h.s. coach gave the 6th grade as to why they are being excluded.thank you for your witty and off topic reply hopfully we can either answer in a constructive manner or ignore this. sincerly phil

Phil,
Something sounds amiss here. Maybe you misunderstood? Some late birthday 8th graders & perhaps the 7th graders could fill a U13 team. Maybe he feels he would like to field the team with the older kids first? If your HS coach actually told you that he is filling a U13 team with kids that are older to "Compete with the travel teams", I would have a real issue with having my son play for him. Something sounds "Fishy".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard there are 300 plus 2017 kids at the 3D Blue Chip in LarryMiller.
What happens if a kid doesn't do so well down there? Is it true that they won't be invited back?

There are only 120 2017 kids here at 3D Blue Chip. Only a select few kids will be invited to Jake Reeds camp this summer.

how are our Long Island boys representing down there?

what regions are included in this camp?

thanks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is the LarryMiller event the only way to get the invite to the Blue Chip Rising Freshman summer camp? Do coaches no longer get to submit names for an invite?

It was told to me that this is the way Rising Freshman get inivited to the camp. Their coaches had to make recommendations to be accepted to this LarryMiller qualifyng selection event; and then the performance of the camper this weekend determines if they get invited to the actual summer Blue Chip Camp... I could be totally wrong, however.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard there are 300 plus 2017 kids at the 3D Blue Chip in LarryMiller.
What happens if a kid doesn't do so well down there? Is it true that they won't be invited back?

There are only 120 2017 kids here at 3D Blue Chip. Only a select few kids will be invited to Jake Reeds camp this summer.

how are our Long Island boys representing down there?

what regions are included in this camp?

thanks

LI, Philly, MD & NJ 2017 here in Fla. It is awesome to see a bunch of 91, fl$, express Terps, Turtles and GC kids having a blast together in the pool!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]There are only 120 2017 kids here at 3D Blue Chip. Only a select few kids will be invited to Jake Reeds camp this summer.

how

are you aware of the selection process? is it that there are a certain number selected or is it just random and not number or position based?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is the LarryMiller event the only way to get the invite to the Blue Chip Rising Freshman summer camp? Do coaches no longer get to submit names for an invite?

It was told to me that this is the way Rising Freshman get inivited to the camp. Their coaches had to make recommendations to be accepted to this LarryMiller qualifyng selection event; and then the performance of the camper this weekend determines if they get invited to the actual summer Blue Chip Camp... I could be totally wrong, however.

I would really like some clarification on this. How can it be expected that a family must pay to travel to FL in January to hope that our sons performance is good enough to be invited to travel to MD in the summer to attend the camp?? Isnt there any other way to be able to get invited??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]There are only 120 2017 kids here at 3D Blue Chip. Only a select few kids will be invited to Jake Reeds camp this summer.

how

are you aware of the selection process? is it that there are a certain number selected or is it just random and not number or position based?

Sounds like another event taking advantage of the money making opportunities!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]There are only 120 2017 kids here at 3D Blue Chip. Only a select few kids will be invited to Jake Reeds camp this summer.

how

are you aware of the selection process? is it that there are a certain number selected or is it just random and not number or position based?

Sounds like another event taking advantage of the money making opportunities!!!

Definitely. Why else have a rising freshman class for this after going so long without it?

Still...what ismthe selection based on? The individual team coaches while at the camp now or??

go to there web site it is very clear. rising frosh, 2017 there are no invites. the only way to be invited was to go to this camp down in LarryMiller and earn a spot. In 2016 there are 120 invited by jake reed and 120 who play in from these camps.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is the LarryMiller event the only way to get the invite to the Blue Chip Rising Freshman summer camp? Do coaches no longer get to submit names for an invite?

It was told to me that this is the way Rising Freshman get inivited to the camp. Their coaches had to make recommendations to be accepted to this LarryMiller qualifyng selection event; and then the performance of the camper this weekend determines if they get invited to the actual summer Blue Chip Camp... I could be totally wrong, however.

I would really like some clarification on this. How can it be expected that a family must pay to travel to FL in January to hope that our sons performance is good enough to be invited to travel to MD in the summer to attend the camp?? Isnt there any other way to be able to get invited??

Clarification as asked: http://3dlacrosse.com/3d-blue-chip

Two evaluators for that many kids? They cannot watch each game; there must be some petitioning from eavpch player's team coach, I would think.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Two evaluators for that many kids? They cannot watch each game; there must be some petitioning from eavpch player's team coach, I would think.

$525.00 registration costs?

Plus player travel costs, family costs, meals, hotels, and all else - for a rising freshman camp? Have you all seriously lost your collective minds?

There is some terrific news for the economy here. The recession must be over since this discretionary spend will have absolutely zero value in the recruiting cycle. Enjoy the experience, but do not confuse this with recruiting.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Two evaluators for that many kids? They cannot watch each game; there must be some petitioning from eavpch player's team coach, I would think.

$525.00 registration costs?

Plus player travel costs, family costs, meals, hotels, and all else - for a rising freshman camp? Have you all seriously lost your collective minds?

There is some terrific news for the economy here. The recession must be over since this discretionary spend will have absolutely zero value in the recruiting cycle. Enjoy the experience, but do not confuse this with recruiting.

This is really amazing to me. Surprised the powers that be didn't set up this event in a few different locations as to maximize their earnings.

If you carefully read the Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip website.It specifically says it is a secondary way to be invited.
So it seems the prior process still exists of coaches recommendations.
That makes sense in that not all players that show up at these pay$525 to play camps are the best of the age group from all over the country. Jake always had top tier top level talent in a small group setting that college coaches could attend and recruit from. This new process only dilutes the talent pool with those that can afford to pay to attend regardless of talent level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you carefully read the Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip website.It specifically says it is a secondary way to be invited.
So it seems the prior process still exists of coaches recommendations.
That makes sense in that not all players that show up at these pay$525 to play camps are the best of the age group from all over the country. Jake always had top tier top level talent in a small group setting that college coaches could attend and recruit from. This new process only dilutes the talent pool with those that can afford to pay to attend regardless of talent level.

You are misunderstanding that this is the first year that they are including rising freshman. Since these kids really dont have the same resume of the upper classman where they might have been seen before, this camp gives the 3D evaluators a chance to see at least those kids that had to be recommended by their individual coaches to participate. The downside is that the criteria used to evaluate them could prevent them from getting considerations for invites in the future. It's a bit of a gamble if your kid goes in and has a bad day for whatever reason and then possibly being excluded in the future.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you carefully read the Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip website.It specifically says it is a secondary way to be invited.
So it seems the prior process still exists of coaches recommendations.
That makes sense in that not all players that show up at these pay$525 to play camps are the best of the age group from all over the country. Jake always had top tier top level talent in a small group setting that college coaches could attend and recruit from. This new process only dilutes the talent pool with those that can afford to pay to attend regardless of talent level.

One of the regional directors of this program told a friend of mine who coaches to recommend only quality players. It is not a "talentless who can pay to play" situation. It was intoned that recommending lesser players will diminish the future acceptance of recommendations from the coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One of the regional directors of this program told a friend of mine who coaches to recommend only quality players. It is not a "talentless who can pay to play" situation. It was intoned that recommending lesser players will diminish the future acceptance of recommendations from the coaches.

Well, let's all be afraid that some coach might not be "trusted" to refer a $525.00 per player fee? Seriously? As consumers and parents, that is what the fear is going to be in the college process? BOTC thinks you have this all wrong.

Our recommendation would be to keep your hands in your pockets on this one - bank the several thousand dollars that a rising freshman recruiting camp will cost your family and use those funds for something practical - SAT/ACT preparation courses, AP test fees (which will start for top students in sophomore year), and other college preparatory functions.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One of the regional directors of this program told a friend of mine who coaches to recommend only quality players. It is not a "talentless who can pay to play" situation. It was intoned that recommending lesser players will diminish the future acceptance of recommendations from the coaches.

Well, let's all be afraid that some coach might not be "trusted" to refer a $525.00 per player fee? Seriously? As consumers and parents, that is what the fear is going to be in the college process? BOTC thinks you have this all wrong.

Our recommendation would be to keep your hands in your pockets on this one - bank the several thousand dollars that a rising freshman recruiting camp will cost your family and use those funds for something practical - SAT/ACT preparation courses, AP test fees (which will start for top students in sophomore year), and other college preparatory functions.

Got it

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One of the regional directors of this program told a friend of mine who coaches to recommend only quality players. It is not a "talentless who can pay to play" situation. It was intoned that recommending lesser players will diminish the future acceptance of recommendations from the coaches.

Well, let's all be afraid that some coach might not be "trusted" to refer a $525.00 per player fee? Seriously? As consumers and parents, that is what the fear is going to be in the college process? BOTC thinks you have this all wrong.

Our recommendation would be to keep your hands in your pockets on this one - bank the several thousand dollars that a rising freshman recruiting camp will cost your family and use those funds for something practical - SAT/ACT preparation courses, AP test fees (which will start for top students in sophomore year), and other college preparatory functions.

Have to say I am a bit surprised by your take on this. Jake Reed is by far the #1 recruiting camp there is in the country. In the past he has taken 120 kids that he invites through couches recommendations and performance. Last year they began to create this "play in" to give others the opportunity to prove themselves and hopefully find some of those players that have been overlooked. Is it a business? Yes. Are they playing on consumers (Parents) insecurity? yes. But if you get into Jake Reed and have a good few days and you will get recruited from the the minute the camp is over. Any and all of your advertisers that have "recruiting" camps are only trying to emulate this camp and it could be argued that money is even more of a waste. So a parents chooses to pay the money and have their kid attend. When they come back they will know one of two things, they are a very competitive player and have to keep working hard or they are non-competitive and they really need to start practicing if they want to be good. Last point, do you really think a parent who is spending this amount of money on a camp isn't doing the same thing for academics? Tudors, Prep courses, etc??? Don't know one parent who says its either camp or the Tudor, its both and many times the camps are rewards for getting good grades.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One of the regional directors of this program told a friend of mine who coaches to recommend only quality players. It is not a "talentless who can pay to play" situation. It was intoned that recommending lesser players will diminish the future acceptance of recommendations from the coaches.

Well, let's all be afraid that some coach might not be "trusted" to refer a $525.00 per player fee? Seriously? As consumers and parents, that is what the fear is going to be in the college process? BOTC thinks you have this all wrong.

Our recommendation would be to keep your hands in your pockets on this one - bank the several thousand dollars that a rising freshman recruiting camp will cost your family and use those funds for something practical - SAT/ACT preparation courses, AP test fees (which will start for top students in sophomore year), and other college preparatory functions.

Have to say I am a bit surprised by your take on this. Jake Reed is by far the #1 recruiting camp there is in the country. In the past he has taken 120 kids that he invites through couches recommendations and performance. Last year they began to create this "play in" to give others the opportunity to prove themselves and hopefully find some of those players that have been overlooked. Is it a business? Yes. Are they playing on consumers (Parents) insecurity? yes. But if you get into Jake Reed and have a good few days and you will get recruited from the the minute the camp is over. Any and all of your advertisers that have "recruiting" camps are only trying to emulate this camp and it could be argued that money is even more of a waste. So a parents chooses to pay the money and have their kid attend. When they come back they will know one of two things, they are a very competitive player and have to keep working hard or they are non-competitive and they really need to start practicing if they want to be good. Last point, do you really think a parent who is spending this amount of money on a camp isn't doing the same thing for academics? Tudors, Prep courses, etc??? Don't know one parent who says its either camp or the Tudor, its both and many times the camps are rewards for getting good grades.

Well said. My son knows....academics 1st, 2nd and last. Anything else is extra and liable to be taken away if his grades suffer even one point. Thus far, can't argue with his 98 average. So he gets to play. And I do not mind paying. It is positive reinforcement and the results speak for themselves.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have to say I am a bit surprised by your take on this. Jake Reed is by far the #1 recruiting camp there is in the country. In the past he has taken 120 kids that he invites through couches recommendations and performance.

If this is the preferred recruiting method that the community sees as cost-efficient, so be it. Effectively, this camp is acting one step short of being a "national agent" for these 120 student-athletes. With the NCAA Recruiting deregulation, how much further with this reach extend?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Last year they began to create this "play in" to give others the opportunity to prove themselves and hopefully find some of those players that have been overlooked.

Was the system previously defective? For what need is this expansion into the eighth graders? We can call these youngsters "rising freshmen" if you wish, but we have literally just passed midterms for most students in the New [lacrosse] area.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it a business? Yes. Are they playing on consumers (Parents) insecurity? yes.

See, here is the problem for us at BOTC. We are shining the light on camps, clinics, tournaments, showcases, and programs in order to allow consumers (parents, players) to comparison shop. Allowing fear to drive decision making is not a academic strategy for an eighth grader.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But if you get into Jake Reed and have a good few days and you will get recruited from the the minute the camp is over. Any and all of your advertisers that have "recruiting" camps are only trying to emulate this camp and it could be argued that money is even more of a waste.

There is a difference here. Our BOTC sponsors are by and large local to the New [lacrosse] metropolitan area which immediately helps control costs. Further, none of our programs are exclusively focused on just being a recruitment camp.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So a parents chooses to pay the money and have their kid attend. When they come back they will know one of two things, they are a very competitive player and have to keep working hard or they are non-competitive and they really need to start practicing if they want to be good. Last point, do you really think a parent who is spending this amount of money on a camp isn't doing the same thing for academics? Tudors, Prep courses, etc???

Show me a single parent that has already spent $2000.00 this year for academic assistance for an eighth grader's standardized testing or math/science tutors. All evidence is to the contrary that too many parents expect a big athletic payday at the end of the recruitment chase. Often times, parents will expect their student-athletes to be able to "slide" on Board Score results by being a highly sought-after recruit. BOTC believes that the equation is backwards.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't know one parent who says its either camp or the Tudor, its both and many times the camps are rewards for getting good grades.

We will have to take your word for that.

Show me a single parent that has already spent $2000.00 this year for academic assistance for an eighth grader's standardized testing or math/science tutors.

I am that parent, and know no less than a dozen others in the same grade that would say the same. As a matter of fact $2000 is light.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One of the regional directors of this program told a friend of mine who coaches to recommend only quality players. It is not a "talentless who can pay to play" situation. It was intoned that recommending lesser players will diminish the future acceptance of recommendations from the coaches.

Well, let's all be afraid that some coach might not be "trusted" to refer a $525.00 per player fee? Seriously? As consumers and parents, that is what the fear is going to be in the college process? BOTC thinks you have this all wrong.

Our recommendation would be to keep your hands in your pockets on this one - bank the several thousand dollars that a rising freshman recruiting camp will cost your family and use those funds for something practical - SAT/ACT preparation courses, AP test fees (which will start for top students in sophomore year), and other college preparatory functions.

Have to say I am a bit surprised by your take on this. Jake Reed is by far the #1 recruiting camp there is in the country. In the past he has taken 120 kids that he invites through couches recommendations and performance. Last year they began to create this "play in" to give others the opportunity to prove themselves and hopefully find some of those players that have been overlooked. Is it a business? Yes. Are they playing on consumers (Parents) insecurity? yes. But if you get into Jake Reed and have a good few days and you will get recruited from the the minute the camp is over. Any and all of your advertisers that have "recruiting" camps are only trying to emulate this camp and it could be argued that money is even more of a waste. So a parents chooses to pay the money and have their kid attend. When they come back they will know one of two things, they are a very competitive player and have to keep working hard or they are non-competitive and they really need to start practicing if they want to be good. Last point, do you really think a parent who is spending this amount of money on a camp isn't doing the same thing for academics? Tudors, Prep courses, etc??? Don't know one parent who says its either camp or the Tudor, its both and many times the camps are rewards for getting good grades.

Spoken like a wealthy parent...Very happy for you that you can afford both the tutor & the camp but, not everyone is in that position (& I can name a dozen others not in the position) Not every child is wealthy, a genius & a Lax prodigy. therefore, people come on this site looking for guidance to navigate their childs lacrosse path. I, myself, am confused as to what is necessary & what is not. It does seem as if these camps & clinics are playing on parents insecurities & parents are "buying" in to it. I appreciate BOTC's honest view on this. I do not discredit your decision to (or not to) send your son but, I am in a postion where I do have to "pick & choose". Thanks again BOTC for your honesty.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

... people come on this site looking for guidance to navigate their childs lacrosse path. I, myself, am confused as to what is necessary & what is not. It does seem as if these camps & clinics are playing on parents insecurities & parents are "buying" in to it. I appreciate BOTC's honest view on this. I do not discredit your decision to (or not to) send your son but, I am in a postion where I do have to "pick & choose". Thanks again BOTC for your honesty.

Thank you for your thoughts. Having placed student-athletes into NCAA Division I athletic programs, our view is that an eighth-grade recruiting camp just does not pass the "if it were my money" test.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

... people come on this site looking for guidance to navigate their childs lacrosse path. I, myself, am confused as to what is necessary & what is not. It does seem as if these camps & clinics are playing on parents insecurities & parents are "buying" in to it. I appreciate BOTC's honest view on this. I do not discredit your decision to (or not to) send your son but, I am in a postion where I do have to "pick & choose". Thanks again BOTC for your honesty.

Thank you for your thoughts. Having placed student-athletes into NCAA Division I athletic programs, our view is that an eighth-grade recruiting camp just does not pass the "if it were my money" test.

Glad to hear that- as a parent of more than one kid- all with high aspirations... money has to be spent where it will go the farthest and means the most. I have found this sight to be quiet helpful so far in giving us some direction in areas we were unsure about.

As for tutoring- a tutor can charge 100-130 an hour in the HS academic areas- so reaching 2000 might not be such a challenge if you have a kid that needs tutoring in more than one subject for the year- then add an SAT course... it adds up.

At least with the Brine camp there were tryouts..anyone can fill out an application and have their "coach" recommend them. Rising freshman......please........8th graders getting looks.......I seriously doubt it..

8th grade "looks" we were talking about these boys playing u13 a few posts ago.

Its seems obvious with 120 or so kids from 2017 there is a demand for this type of camp. The most important year at the jake reed camp is still rising sophomores but it wasn't long ago it was rising juniors. This summer the 2017 will just be another high quality camp not a real recruiting camp. when you talk about value, there are plenty of sponsors on this site charging REAL money to teach kindergartners, have travel 2nd grade teams, and all sorts of overpriced position camps that is the real waste of money. So we are clear the payoff in the end IS NOT MONEY!! It is entrance into a better school than you could have gotten into without lacrosse, period!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Show me a single parent that has already spent $2000.00 this year for academic assistance for an eighth grader's standardized testing or math/science tutors.

I am that parent, and know no less than a dozen others in the same grade that would say the same. As a matter of fact $2000 is light.

+1

And again, the results speak for themselves. (I love a kid who starts his homework before he takes off his coat!!).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So we are clear the payoff in the end IS NOT MONEY!! It is entrance into a better school than you could have gotten into without lacrosse, period!

My sentiments exactly. We are not looking for scholarships. Please; they are few and far between. But the additional aspect of being a possible D1 level lacrosse player might bring a greater acceptance into an institution that regularly turns away 2000 valedictorians a year. Great academics combined with a great lacrosse pedigree can possibly add up to a small higher chance at acceptance to a great school. This has been seen again and again.

We would easily turn down a full scholarship to a lesser school for acceptance to a greater academic school.

Sorry about the different perspective.

I think you are all missing the point. I brought my son down there and for us it was a opportunity to spend time together in Florida in January and expose him to a competetive tryout environment. Unless your insane or psychotic you realize that this camp isnt about getting your son recruited. The talent down there was top notch, the camp was very well run and the lacrosse was a pleasure to watch. Like every other competetive travel sport, camps and clinics cost money. Its up to the individual parent and player to decide if its worth the time and money. For me this camp was worth it for the experience alone, I think its something my son got a lot out of, and I wouldnt hesitate to do it again next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you are all missing the point. I brought my son down there and for us it was a opportunity to spend time together in Florida in January and expose him to a competetive tryout environment. Unless your insane or psychotic you realize that this camp isnt about getting your son recruited. The talent down there was top notch, the camp was very well run and the lacrosse was a pleasure to watch. Like every other competetive travel sport, camps and clinics cost money. Its up to the individual parent and player to decide if its worth the time and money. For me this camp was worth it for the experience alone, I think its something my son got a lot out of, and I wouldnt hesitate to do it again next year.

Its great to hear you and your son had such a positive experience. Although I am neither insane nor psychotic you would have to be ignorant if you didn't think playing well and getting an invite to the summer camp is not one of the first steps to being recruited. Do you really think the coaches/ evaluators won't go back to their buddies who coach college lacrosse and give them color on who the best kids were?

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you are all missing the point. I brought my son down there and for us it was a opportunity to spend time together in Florida in January and expose him to a competetive tryout environment. Unless your insane or psychotic you realize that this camp isnt about getting your son recruited. The talent down there was top notch, the camp was very well run and the lacrosse was a pleasure to watch. Like every other competetive travel sport, camps and clinics cost money. Its up to the individual parent and player to decide if its worth the time and money. For me this camp was worth it for the experience alone, I think its something my son got a lot out of, and I wouldnt hesitate to do it again next year.

I agree with everything you said in your post. Except that I realized it IS the beginning of a recruiting process for a 2017. My son & I had a great time together and a lot of his friends were there also. Great competition from all over eastern shores of MD, NJ, PA, LI, NC and my son took it serious and did well. A handful of kids DIDNT belong there and those were the ones (kids & parents) that looked at this as a vacation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you are all missing the point. I brought my son down there and for us it was a opportunity to spend time together in Florida in January and expose him to a competetive tryout environment. Unless your insane or psychotic you realize that this camp isnt about getting your son recruited. The talent down there was top notch, the camp was very well run and the lacrosse was a pleasure to watch. Like every other competetive travel sport, camps and clinics cost money. Its up to the individual parent and player to decide if its worth the time and money. For me this camp was worth it for the experience alone, I think its something my son got a lot out of, and I wouldnt hesitate to do it again next year.

Its great to hear you and your son had such a positive experience. Although I am neither insane nor psychotic you would have to be ignorant if you didn't think playing well and getting an invite to the summer camp is not one of the first steps to being recruited. Do you really think the coaches/ evaluators won't go back to their buddies who coach college lacrosse and give them color on who the best kids were?

I've been called insane more than not and pretty sure I've successfully cultivated a strong psychotic side; thus I can see with my mind altered vision the validity of the above response. These national evaluators aren't there for a vacation, I am sure. There is the distinct possibility that the 3d JR people see the writing on the wall and realize the value in getting a look at younger kids who may have higher talents and reporting it to their college connection.
Then of course, there is the great financial gain they make. As it was stated before, there are no shortage of people looking to become separated from their money.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you are all missing the point. I brought my son down there and for us it was a opportunity to spend time together in Florida in January and expose him to a competetive tryout environment. Unless your insane or psychotic you realize that this camp isnt about getting your son recruited. The talent down there was top notch, the camp was very well run and the lacrosse was a pleasure to watch. Like every other competetive travel sport, camps and clinics cost money. Its up to the individual parent and player to decide if its worth the time and money. For me this camp was worth it for the experience alone, I think its something my son got a lot out of, and I wouldnt hesitate to do it again next year.

Its great to hear you and your son had such a positive experience. Although I am neither insane nor psychotic you would have to be ignorant if you didn't think playing well and getting an invite to the summer camp is not one of the first steps to being recruited. Do you really think the coaches/ evaluators won't go back to their buddies who coach college lacrosse and give them color on who the best kids were?

My son played really well and I think he has a good shot at getting invited to the summer camp. However I dont think college coaches really care about 8th graders right now. It may be a way to get on the "radar" but nothing more.

These showcases may not be recruiting camps but they are undenieably a major step in confirming the top 2017 players. Let's face it, were there really any kids that came out of nowhere and were "discovered" last weekend or at Brine in the Fall? If you were paying attention to the sidelines, I think it is quite apparent that the directors of the club programs know all of the standouts (and their parents!) in every position throughout Nassau & Suffolk. I'm pretty certain that the Jake Reed roster will have very few (if any) unknown players from the island. Club and Showcase directors will start comparing notes with college coaches as early as this summer and the buzz begins. It's the Circle of Lax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These showcases may not be recruiting camps but they are undenieably a major step in confirming the top 2017 players. Let's face it, were there really any kids that came out of nowhere and were "discovered" last weekend or at Brine in the Fall? If you were paying attention to the sidelines, I think it is quite apparent that the directors of the club programs know all of the standouts (and their parents!) in every position throughout Nassau & Suffolk. I'm pretty certain that the Jake Reed roster will have very few (if any) unknown players from the island. Club and Showcase directors will start comparing notes with college coaches as early as this summer and the buzz begins. It's the Circle of Lax.

So the question again becomes...Is it necessary to go down to Florida to a showcase in the 8th grade? If what you are saying is true "Jake Reed roster will have very few (if any) unknown players from the island", then why would you go? I am seriously asking this question. This is my first "Lax Kid" & we are trying to figure out what is & is not necessary.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you are all missing the point. I brought my son down there and for us it was a opportunity to spend time together in Florida in January and expose him to a competetive tryout environment. Unless your insane or psychotic you realize that this camp isnt about getting your son recruited. The talent down there was top notch, the camp was very well run and the lacrosse was a pleasure to watch. Like every other competetive travel sport, camps and clinics cost money. Its up to the individual parent and player to decide if its worth the time and money. For me this camp was worth it for the experience alone, I think its something my son got a lot out of, and I wouldnt hesitate to do it again next year.

Its great to hear you and your son had such a positive experience. Although I am neither insane nor psychotic you would have to be ignorant if you didn't think playing well and getting an invite to the summer camp is not one of the first steps to being recruited. Do you really think the coaches/ evaluators won't go back to their buddies who coach college lacrosse and give them color on who the best kids were?

My son played really well and I think he has a good shot at getting invited to the summer camp. However I dont think college coaches really care about 8th graders right now. It may be a way to get on the "radar" but nothing more.

When is the summer camp?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These showcases may not be recruiting camps but they are undenieably a major step in confirming the top 2017 players. Let's face it, were there really any kids that came out of nowhere and were "discovered" last weekend or at Brine in the Fall? If you were paying attention to the sidelines, I think it is quite apparent that the directors of the club programs know all of the standouts (and their parents!) in every position throughout Nassau & Suffolk. I'm pretty certain that the Jake Reed roster will have very few (if any) unknown players from the island. Club and Showcase directors will start comparing notes with college coaches as early as this summer and the buzz begins. It's the Circle of Lax.

So the question again becomes...Is it necessary to go down to Florida to a showcase in the 8th grade? If what you are saying is true "Jake Reed roster will have very few (if any) unknown players from the island", then why would you go? I am seriously asking this question. This is my first "Lax Kid" & we are trying to figure out what is & is not necessary.

they went as this is the first year that rising freshman are being included and it is the only way they are screening this relativel unseen lax population for inclusion into the final 120 in the summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These showcases may not be recruiting camps but they are undenieably a major step in confirming the top 2017 players. Let's face it, were there really any kids that came out of nowhere and were "discovered" last weekend or at Brine in the Fall? If you were paying attention to the sidelines, I think it is quite apparent that the directors of the club programs know all of the standouts (and their parents!) in every position throughout Nassau & Suffolk. I'm pretty certain that the Jake Reed roster will have very few (if any) unknown players from the island. Club and Showcase directors will start comparing notes with college coaches as early as this summer and the buzz begins. It's the Circle of Lax.

So the question again becomes...Is it necessary to go down to Florida to a showcase in the 8th grade? If what you are saying is true "Jake Reed roster will have very few (if any) unknown players from the island", then why would you go? I am seriously asking this question. This is my first "Lax Kid" & we are trying to figure out what is & is not necessary.

they went as this is the first year that rising freshman are being included and it is the only way they are screening this relativel unseen lax population for inclusion into the final 120 in the summer.

So, if your son did not go to Florida he will not be invited to JR summer camp?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These showcases may not be recruiting camps but they are undenieably a major step in confirming the top 2017 players. Let's face it, were there really any kids that came out of nowhere and were "discovered" last weekend or at Brine in the Fall? If you were paying attention to the sidelines, I think it is quite apparent that the directors of the club programs know all of the standouts (and their parents!) in every position throughout Nassau & Suffolk. I'm pretty certain that the Jake Reed roster will have very few (if any) unknown players from the island. Club and Showcase directors will start comparing notes with college coaches as early as this summer and the buzz begins. It's the Circle of Lax.

So the question again becomes...Is it necessary to go down to Florida to a showcase in the 8th grade? If what you are saying is true "Jake Reed roster will have very few (if any) unknown players from the island", then why would you go? I am seriously asking this question. This is my first "Lax Kid" & we are trying to figure out what is & is not necessary.

they went as this is the first year that rising freshman are being included and it is the only way they are screening this relativel unseen lax population for inclusion into the final 120 in the summer.

So, if your son did not go to Florida he will not be invited to JR summer camp?

correct, as far as 2017's go. there is no limitation to which region you apply from...there is another (last one this weekend)...not sure if it is too late to apply and the recommendation had to have come from your son's coach.

I have heard that there are several LI kids going down from the NE region this weekend instead of haveing been in the mid-atlantic region this past weekend so as to minimize the competition they would be facing...(kind of a back door sneak in IMO)...why not go up against the kids from your own region?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These showcases may not be recruiting camps but they are undenieably a major step in confirming the top 2017 players. Let's face it, were there really any kids that came out of nowhere and were "discovered" last weekend or at Brine in the Fall? If you were paying attention to the sidelines, I think it is quite apparent that the directors of the club programs know all of the standouts (and their parents!) in every position throughout Nassau & Suffolk. I'm pretty certain that the Jake Reed roster will have very few (if any) unknown players from the island. Club and Showcase directors will start comparing notes with college coaches as early as this summer and the buzz begins. It's the Circle of Lax.

So the question again becomes...Is it necessary to go down to Florida to a showcase in the 8th grade? If what you are saying is true "Jake Reed roster will have very few (if any) unknown players from the island", then why would you go? I am seriously asking this question. This is my first "Lax Kid" & we are trying to figure out what is & is not necessary.

they went as this is the first year that rising freshman are being included and it is the only way they are screening this relativel unseen lax population for inclusion into the final 120 in the summer.

Wrong. They did this last year for 2016 kids who wanted to attend the 2016 version of Blue Chip last summer. Get your facts straight.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These showcases may not be recruiting camps but they are undenieably a major step in confirming the top 2017 players. Let's face it, were there really any kids that came out of nowhere and were "discovered" last weekend or at Brine in the Fall? If you were paying attention to the sidelines, I think it is quite apparent that the directors of the club programs know all of the standouts (and their parents!) in every position throughout Nassau & Suffolk. I'm pretty certain that the Jake Reed roster will have very few (if any) unknown players from the island. Club and Showcase directors will start comparing notes with college coaches as early as this summer and the buzz begins. It's the Circle of Lax.

So the question again becomes...Is it necessary to go down to Florida to a showcase in the 8th grade? If what you are saying is true "Jake Reed roster will have very few (if any) unknown players from the island", then why would you go? I am seriously asking this question. This is my first "Lax Kid" & we are trying to figure out what is & is not necessary.

they went as this is the first year that rising freshman are being included and it is the only way they are screening this relativel unseen lax population for inclusion into the final 120 in the summer.

Wrong. They did this last year for 2016 kids who wanted to attend the 2016 version of Blue Chip last summer. Get your facts straight.

"fact boy"....read the website..we are talking about rising freshman...and knock off your attitude..enough of that around here..(oh..I forgot..you must be one of the "mad parents" who hates everything about club lax and the coaches and the money and camps....) blah blah blah...

so how is your boy doing in lax anyway? not living up to your expectations and thus the attitude? you can confess here...

read below regarding the adding of a rising freshman class

http://insidelacrosse.com/news/2012...onal-camps-draws-talent-across-continent

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These showcases may not be recruiting camps but they are undenieably a major step in confirming the top 2017 players. Let's face it, were there really any kids that came out of nowhere and were "discovered" last weekend or at Brine in the Fall? If you were paying attention to the sidelines, I think it is quite apparent that the directors of the club programs know all of the standouts (and their parents!) in every position throughout Nassau & Suffolk. I'm pretty certain that the Jake Reed roster will have very few (if any) unknown players from the island. Club and Showcase directors will start comparing notes with college coaches as early as this summer and the buzz begins. It's the Circle of Lax.

So the question again becomes...Is it necessary to go down to Florida to a showcase in the 8th grade? If what you are saying is true "Jake Reed roster will have very few (if any) unknown players from the island", then why would you go? I am seriously asking this question. This is my first "Lax Kid" & we are trying to figure out what is & is not necessary.

they went as this is the first year that rising freshman are being included and it is the only way they are screening this relativel unseen lax population for inclusion into the final 120 in the summer.

Wrong. They did this last year for 2016 kids who wanted to attend the 2016 version of Blue Chip last summer. Get your facts straight.

"fact boy"....read the website..we are talking about rising freshman...and knock off your attitude..enough of that around here..(oh..I forgot..you must be one of the "mad parents" who hates everything about club lax and the coaches and the money and camps....) blah blah blah...

so how is your boy doing in lax anyway? not living up to your expectations and thus the attitude? you can confess here...

yeesh...

Does anyone know how much towns like West Islip, Northport, Smithtown etc charge their players for their summer tournament team (the varsity/ jv or even middle school age players)?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know how much towns like West Islip, Northport, Smithtown etc charge their players for their summer tournament team (the varsity/ jv or even middle school age players)?

About $900-$1000 for lots of practices, uniforms and tournament fees all inclusive. Opportunity to be seen for a whole summer by school head coach = priceless.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These showcases may not be recruiting camps but they are undenieably a major step in confirming the top 2017 players. Let's face it, were there really any kids that came out of nowhere and were "discovered" last weekend or at Brine in the Fall? If you were paying attention to the sidelines, I think it is quite apparent that the directors of the club programs know all of the standouts (and their parents!) in every position throughout Nassau & Suffolk. I'm pretty certain that the Jake Reed roster will have very few (if any) unknown players from the island. Club and Showcase directors will start comparing notes with college coaches as early as this summer and the buzz begins. It's the Circle of Lax.

So the question again becomes...Is it necessary to go down to Florida to a showcase in the 8th grade? If what you are saying is true "Jake Reed roster will have very few (if any) unknown players from the island", then why would you go? I am seriously asking this question. This is my first "Lax Kid" & we are trying to figure out what is & is not necessary.

they went as this is the first year that rising freshman are being included and it is the only way they are screening this relativel unseen lax population for inclusion into the final 120 in the summer.

Wrong. They did this last year for 2016 kids who wanted to attend the 2016 version of Blue Chip last summer. Get your facts straight.

"fact boy"....read the website..we are talking about rising freshman...and knock off your attitude..enough of that around here..(oh..I forgot..you must be one of the "mad parents" who hates everything about club lax and the coaches and the money and camps....) blah blah blah...

so how is your boy doing in lax anyway? not living up to your expectations and thus the attitude? you can confess here...

You're an angry elf

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These showcases may not be recruiting camps but they are undenieably a major step in confirming the top 2017 players. Let's face it, were there really any kids that came out of nowhere and were "discovered" last weekend or at Brine in the Fall? If you were paying attention to the sidelines, I think it is quite apparent that the directors of the club programs know all of the standouts (and their parents!) in every position throughout Nassau & Suffolk. I'm pretty certain that the Jake Reed roster will have very few (if any) unknown players from the island. Club and Showcase directors will start comparing notes with college coaches as early as this summer and the buzz begins. It's the Circle of Lax.

So the question again becomes...Is it necessary to go down to Florida to a showcase in the 8th grade? If what you are saying is true "Jake Reed roster will have very few (if any) unknown players from the island", then why would you go? I am seriously asking this question. This is my first "Lax Kid" & we are trying to figure out what is & is not necessary.

they went as this is the first year that rising freshman are being included and it is the only way they are screening this relativel unseen lax population for inclusion into the final 120 in the summer.

Wrong. They did this last year for 2016 kids who wanted to attend the 2016 version of Blue Chip last summer. Get your facts straight.

"fact boy"....read the website..we are talking about rising freshman...and knock off your attitude..enough of that around here..(oh..I forgot..you must be one of the "mad parents" who hates everything about club lax and the coaches and the money and camps....) blah blah blah...

so how is your boy doing in lax anyway? not living up to your expectations and thus the attitude? you can confess here...

You're an angry elf

south pole elf...

So what's the scoop? Anyone who went down to Florida for 3d have any substantial info for us on how the individual boys did?

How many do you think will make it and in what positions? I hear the competition was really good

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what's the scoop? Anyone who went down to Florida for 3d have any substantial info for us on how the individual boys did?

How many do you think will make it and in what positions? I hear the competition was really good

We all signed non-disclosures...sorry!

From my perspective the following stood out in particular:

Attack: 1 Turtle, 2 fl$, South Carolina, tall kid from Manhasset

Middies: 1 Turtle, 1 express (seemed to switch off with Turtle LSM), lots of other good kids

Defense: 2 Turtles, 2 fl$ (the 2 big kids), 1 True Blue, 1 91, 1 Ward Melville
Rhere were lots of really good kids there and I no doubt missed a whole bunch

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From my perspective the following stood out in particular:

Attack: 1 Turtle, 2 fl$, South Carolina, tall kid from Manhasset

Middies: 1 Turtle, 1 express (seemed to switch off with Turtle LSM), lots of other good kids

Defense: 2 Turtles, 2 fl$ (the 2 big kids), 1 True Blue, 1 91, 1 Ward Melville
Rhere were lots of really good kids there and I no doubt missed a whole bunch

Let me guess...Your kid plays for fl$

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

From my perspective the following stood out in particular:

Attack: 1 Turtle, 2 fl$, South Carolina, tall kid from Manhasset

Middies: 1 Turtle, 1 express (seemed to switch off with Turtle LSM), lots of other good kids

Defense: 2 Turtles, 2 fl$ (the 2 big kids), 1 True Blue, 1 91, 1 Ward Melville
Rhere were lots of really good kids there and I no doubt missed a whole bunch

Let me guess...Your kid plays for fl$

Yeah! Really!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From my perspective the following stood out in particular:

Attack: 1 Turtle, 2 fl$, South Carolina, tall kid from Manhasset

Middies: 1 Turtle, 1 express (seemed to switch off with Turtle LSM), lots of other good kids

Defense: 2 Turtles, 2 fl$ (the 2 big kids), 1 True Blue, 1 91, 1 Ward Melville
Rhere were lots of really good kids there and I no doubt missed a whole bunch

Yeah you missed a bunch, there weren't many kids down there that couldn't play. It was am absolute pleasure to watch these kids play, and I thought it was a great experience.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From my perspective the following stood out in particular:

Attack: 1 Turtle, 2 fl$, South Carolina, tall kid from Manhasset

Middies: 1 Turtle, 1 express (seemed to switch off with Turtle LSM), lots of other good kids

Defense: 2 Turtles, 2 fl$ (the 2 big kids), 1 True Blue, 1 91, 1 Ward Melville
Rhere were lots of really good kids there and I no doubt missed a whole bunch

Let me guess...Your kid plays for fl$

Does fl$ have 2 teams at the 2017 age, or something?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From my perspective the following stood out in particular:

Attack: 1 Turtle, 2 fl$, South Carolina, tall kid from Manhasset

Middies: 1 Turtle, 1 express (seemed to switch off with Turtle LSM), lots of other good kids

Defense: 2 Turtles, 2 fl$ (the 2 big kids), 1 True Blue, 1 91, 1 Ward Melville
Rhere were lots of really good kids there and I no doubt missed a whole bunch

Let me guess...Your kid plays for fl$

You think? And YES, you missed on a few. More accurate below-

Rough number of players from some of the clubs-
91 had 4 or 5
fl$ had 3 or 4
Exp terps had 10 or 12 (too many, a few didn't belong)
Turtles had 4
Trueblue had 2 or 3
Dukes (Philly) had 4
Garden City had 4 or 5
Manhasset had 5

Below who is who stood out to me

Attack- 1 Dukes, 1 Turtle, 1 fl$, 1 N.C. (gold helmet), 1 Terp, 1 91, 1 trueblue

Middie- 1 Dukes, 3 Terp, 1 trueblue, 1 BBL (nj), 1 fl$

Defense- 1 Turtle (lsm & close), 1 Terp (lsm & close), 1 fl$, 1 Crabs

Goalie- 1 Turtle, 1 Outlaws

Some standouts that I saw: 7 attack: (1turt,2terp,1flg,1southerner,1Duke,1-91), 7 middies: (2turtles,3terps,1NJ kid,1Dukes), 6 Defense: (2turtles,1Crab,1FLG,1terp,1-91), 2 Goalie: (1turt,1trueB)

600 all inclusive for Northport including year around training and tournament fees and our boys place in D1 schools. Pretty amazing!

A little help if you can - no...I do not have 2017 son...

Question 1 - for parents whose sons took part in the 3D Blue Chip Camp/tryout in Fla - when was registration? Time of year/month is fine

Question 2 - The Brine National Team Tryouts (LI Edition) - what month where registrations for tryouts held?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Which NJ kid? Summit, BBL, or South Shore lax?

2 Turtle Middies please, they are very good players, but they did not stand out last weekend.

Wow....a lot of dads chiming in for their kids....

Are you kidding?? the one turtle middie was dominant. ground balls all day. also the summit middie was good and the terp kids showed well.

Some of you people have to stop trying to live through these kids. It's sad your debating 8th grade kids. Hate to say it but I played at the highest level possible, and just cause you "dominated" doesn't mean squat. Some of these kids will grow and get better and some of them may have hit there peak. The fact is a "dominant" 8th grader doesn't mean a great high school let alone college player.

Do you guys all hang out at the same bar or something......Turtles this, Terps that....there were other lacrosse players down there that played well. The Summit kid and the BBL kid (middies) were very good. There was an attackman with a Bandits helmet as well as an attackman from Maryland who was very good. The goalie with the Shamrock helmet was lights out as well. As far as defense goes I would say most of them were very good, I didnt see any kids that really didnt belong. Very good talent down there all around other than the Turtles and the Terps. We get it theyre good players, lets move on already

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some of you people have to stop trying to live through these kids. It's sad your debating 8th grade kids. Hate to say it but I played at the highest level possible, and just cause you "dominated" doesn't mean squat. Some of these kids will grow and get better and some of them may have hit there peak. The fact is a "dominant" 8th grader doesn't mean a great high school let alone college player.

So what was your personal progression as you grew in the sport? Were you an early dominator who kept it up until the highest level or were you a late bloomer, and if so, what years did it start to click for you? What was it like for you then that you see differently now for the kids and parents, respectively?

What advise would you give to kids who are early dominators and those who are not clicking yet at this age?. How do you keep parents out of the "stage mom" trap?

And lastly, how many players of your personal era made it to the highest and what can you say about their progressions through the sport?

Thanks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some of you people have to stop trying to live through these kids. It's sad your debating 8th grade kids. Hate to say it but I played at the highest level possible, and just cause you "dominated" doesn't mean squat. Some of these kids will grow and get better and some of them may have hit there peak. The fact is a "dominant" 8th grader doesn't mean a great high school let alone college player.

AMEN, lets see how all these "dominant" kids do in two years. Lots of kids will catch up and lax IQ and hard work will win out at the high school level. Enjoy your sons "dominance" while it lasts cause it can be gone in an instant.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some of you people have to stop trying to live through these kids. It's sad your debating 8th grade kids. Hate to say it but I played at the highest level possible, and just cause you "dominated" doesn't mean squat. Some of these kids will grow and get better and some of them may have hit there peak. The fact is a "dominant" 8th grader doesn't mean a great high school let alone college player.

AMEN, lets see how all these "dominant" kids do in two years. Lots of kids will catch up and lax IQ and hard work will win out at the high school level. Enjoy your sons "dominance" while it lasts cause it can be gone in an instant.

Alot of these "dominant" kids WILL dominate in HS! And, of course, there will be ALOT coming up in the next couple of years! Someone asked the question "who looked good down in Florida", why is anyone suprised by these answers? The next couple/few years will be interesting. Good luck to them all!

I find it funny that a large number of kids at the camp came from the same so called "elite" express team that is coached by the same guy that had his company tent at the camp. Strange bedfellows.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I find it funny that a large number of kids at the camp came from the same so called "elite" express team that is coached by the same guy that had his company tent at the camp. Strange bedfellows.....

Their parents choose to send them. Maybe his tent was set up to keep the kids out of the sun;) Again, spending alot of $$ does not always make your child the best athlete. It gives them some opportunities but, when push comes to shove the cream of the crop will rise. It doesnt matter how much mommy & daddy talk on BOTC;)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some of you people have to stop trying to live through these kids. It's sad your debating 8th grade kids. Hate to say it but I played at the highest level possible, and just cause you "dominated" doesn't mean squat. Some of these kids will grow and get better and some of them may have hit there peak. The fact is a "dominant" 8th grader doesn't mean a great high school let alone college player.

AMEN, lets see how all these "dominant" kids do in two years. Lots of kids will catch up and lax IQ and hard work will win out at the high school level. Enjoy your sons "dominance" while it lasts cause it can be gone in an instant.

You are correct. After all the dominant kids now are going to take their foot off the gas and not progress themselves. How people think is truly amazing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some of you people have to stop trying to live through these kids. It's sad your debating 8th grade kids. Hate to say it but I played at the highest level possible, and just cause you "dominated" doesn't mean squat. Some of these kids will grow and get better and some of them may have hit there peak. The fact is a "dominant" 8th grader doesn't mean a great high school let alone college player.

AMEN, lets see how all these "dominant" kids do in two years. Lots of kids will catch up and lax IQ and hard work will win out at the high school level. Enjoy your sons "dominance" while it lasts cause it can be gone in an instant.

You are correct. After all the dominant kids now are going to take their foot off the gas and not progress themselves. How people think is truly amazing.

How can you state that "All the dominant kids now are going to take their foot off the gas and not progress themselves"? That laughable!! You sound as ridiculous as the parents beating their chests about how "dominant" their little 9 year old Johnny is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some of you people have to stop trying to live through these kids. It's sad your debating 8th grade kids. Hate to say it but I played at the highest level possible, and just cause you "dominated" doesn't mean squat. Some of these kids will grow and get better and some of them may have hit there peak. The fact is a "dominant" 8th grader doesn't mean a great high school let alone college player.

AMEN, lets see how all these "dominant" kids do in two years. Lots of kids will catch up and lax IQ and hard work will win out at the high school level. Enjoy your sons "dominance" while it lasts cause it can be gone in an instant.

You are correct. After all the dominant kids now are going to take their foot off the gas and not progress themselves. How people think is truly amazing.

How can you state that "All the dominant kids now are going to take their foot off the gas and not progress themselves"? That laughable!! You sound as ridiculous as the parents beating their chests about how "dominant" their little 9 year old Johnny is.

I think you misunderstood my sarcasm. I was explaining just what you said.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some of you people have to stop trying to live through these kids. It's sad your debating 8th grade kids. Hate to say it but I played at the highest level possible, and just cause you "dominated" doesn't mean squat. Some of these kids will grow and get better and some of them may have hit there peak. The fact is a "dominant" 8th grader doesn't mean a great high school let alone college player.

AMEN, lets see how all these "dominant" kids do in two years. Lots of kids will catch up and lax IQ and hard work will win out at the high school level. Enjoy your sons "dominance" while it lasts cause it can be gone in an instant.

You are correct. After all the dominant kids now are going to take their foot off the gas and not progress themselves. How people think is truly amazing.

How can you state that "All the dominant kids now are going to take their foot off the gas and not progress themselves"? That laughable!! You sound as ridiculous as the parents beating their chests about how "dominant" their little 9 year old Johnny is.

I think you misunderstood my sarcasm. I was explaining just what you said.

It is actually difficult to decipher between the serious & the sarcastic on this site

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some of you people have to stop trying to live through these kids. It's sad your debating 8th grade kids. Hate to say it but I played at the highest level possible, and just cause you "dominated" doesn't mean squat. Some of these kids will grow and get better and some of them may have hit there peak. The fact is a "dominant" 8th grader doesn't mean a great high school let alone college player.

AMEN, lets see how all these "dominant" kids do in two years. Lots of kids will catch up and lax IQ and hard work will win out at the high school level. Enjoy your sons "dominance" while it lasts cause it can be gone in an instant.

Alot of these "dominant" kids WILL dominate in HS! And, of course, there will be ALOT coming up in the next couple of years! Someone asked the question "who looked good down in Florida", why is anyone suprised by these answers? The next couple/few years will be interesting. Good luck to them all!

Where'd you get that crystal ball? I want one. Noone knows what will happen in two years. I would bet a very small percentage of the kids you believe are dominant now will be so at the next level. What your seeing now is a separation in age and growth so naturally some kids are going to stand out. Yes there are special athletes that will excel throughout high school and beyond but they are few and far between. As to the kids down in Florida, there were far more kids that played well other than the kids that everyone expects. A lot of you are fooled by a kids size and what helmet they wear other than their actual lacrosse ability. Just everyone relax and lets see what happens over the next few years before we start giving out D-1 scholarships based pm 8th grade lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some of you people have to stop trying to live through these kids. It's sad your debating 8th grade kids. Hate to say it but I played at the highest level possible, and just cause you "dominated" doesn't mean squat. Some of these kids will grow and get better and some of them may have hit there peak. The fact is a "dominant" 8th grader doesn't mean a great high school let alone college player.

AMEN, lets see how all these "dominant" kids do in two years. Lots of kids will catch up and lax IQ and hard work will win out at the high school level. Enjoy your sons "dominance" while it lasts cause it can be gone in an instant.

You are correct. After all the dominant kids now are going to take their foot off the gas and not progress themselves. How people think is truly amazing.

Ever hear of a kid peaking early? Do you realize kids grow and mature at different times? 8th grade is typically when kids will start going through puberty and growing so it starts to even the playing field. ITs actually one of the reasons colleges dont look at kids until 10th grade. So you might want to reassess your thinking on the subject as well before you build up unrealistic expectations for your child.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some of you people have to stop trying to live through these kids. It's sad your debating 8th grade kids. Hate to say it but I played at the highest level possible, and just cause you "dominated" doesn't mean squat. Some of these kids will grow and get better and some of them may have hit there peak. The fact is a "dominant" 8th grader doesn't mean a great high school let alone college player.

AMEN, lets see how all these "dominant" kids do in two years. Lots of kids will catch up and lax IQ and hard work will win out at the high school level. Enjoy your sons "dominance" while it lasts cause it can be gone in an instant.

You are correct. After all the dominant kids now are going to take their foot off the gas and not progress themselves. How people think is truly amazing.

Ever hear of a kid peaking early? Do you realize kids grow and mature at different times? 8th grade is typically when kids will start going through puberty and growing so it starts to even the playing field. ITs actually one of the reasons colleges dont look at kids until 10th grade. So you might want to reassess your thinking on the subject as well before you build up unrealistic expectations for your child.

Peaking pubescently and increasing stick skills and field IQ are two different things. I have never seen the fastest kid out run a crisp pass down the field. I will stand by my assessment and wish your kid the the best.

Mostly what I would say is you really can't judge athletes until they are in 10 grade. Even then it's still a crapshoot. That's why I find it disturbing that kids are recruited early on lie 9 th or 10 grade, these kids aren't fully developed yet. I've seen kids recently commit to a college early and never really get better. By the time they are in 12th most of the other players have caught up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A little help if you can - no...I do not have 2017 son...

Question 1 - for parents whose sons took part in the 3D Blue Chip Camp/tryout in Fla - when was registration? Time of year/month is fine

Question 2 - The Brine National Team Tryouts (LI Edition) - what month where registrations for tryouts held?

Thanks in advance for your help.

When everyone is done patting themselves on the back and accusing each other of ...well of acting less mature than the kids they are supposed to be raising... Does anyone have any answers???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A little help if you can - no...I do not have 2017 son...

Question 1 - for parents whose sons took part in the 3D Blue Chip Camp/tryout in Fla - when was registration? Time of year/month is fine

Question 2 - The Brine National Team Tryouts (LI Edition) - what month where registrations for tryouts held?

Thanks in advance for your help.

When everyone is done patting themselves on the back and accusing each other of ...well of acting less mature than the kids they are supposed to be raising... Does anyone have any answers???

I'm sure people will RUN to post something here to help you with info after you just insulted them. Maybe GOOGLE can help you, its mature.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A little help if you can - no...I do not have 2017 son...

Question 1 - for parents whose sons took part in the 3D Blue Chip Camp/tryout in Fla - when was registration? Time of year/month is fine

Question 2 - The Brine National Team Tryouts (LI Edition) - what month where registrations for tryouts held?

Thanks in advance for your help.

When everyone is done patting themselves on the back and accusing each other of ...well of acting less mature than the kids they are supposed to be raising... Does anyone have any answers???

The websites of each above mentioned probably does.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some of you people have to stop trying to live through these kids. It's sad your debating 8th grade kids. Hate to say it but I played at the highest level possible, and just cause you "dominated" doesn't mean squat. Some of these kids will grow and get better and some of them may have hit there peak. The fact is a "dominant" 8th grader doesn't mean a great high school let alone college player.

AMEN, lets see how all these "dominant" kids do in two years. Lots of kids will catch up and lax IQ and hard work will win out at the high school level. Enjoy your sons "dominance" while it lasts cause it can be gone in an instant.

You are correct. After all the dominant kids now are going to take their foot off the gas and not progress themselves. How people think is truly amazing.

Ever hear of a kid peaking early? Do you realize kids grow and mature at different times? 8th grade is typically when kids will start going through puberty and growing so it starts to even the playing field. ITs actually one of the reasons colleges dont look at kids until 10th grade. So you might want to reassess your thinking on the subject as well before you build up unrealistic expectations for your child.

Peaking pubescently and increasing stick skills and field IQ are two different things. I have never seen the fastest kid out run a crisp pass down the field. I will stand by my assessment and wish your kid the the best.

Have you ever heard of a big, fast kid with great stick skills and field IQ?

- "ITs actually one of the reasons colleges dont look at kids until 10th grade." -

News flash... College coaches are looking at kids before the 10th grade...

The facts are that by 8th grade it is what it is. The overwhelming majority of the best kids will remain the best kids throughout high school and thereafter. Yes there will be a rare exception who peaks late or regresses because they don't work hard. But it is rare.The exceptional one got there because they work that doesn't just stop. Puberty and size do not make much of a difference. You can believe whatever you want to make yourself feel better but this is reality. The good ones just don't stop working. Size can help but it cant make up for athleticism and work. The good ones got there that way and it just doesn't go away!!!

Some exceptional kids are committing in 9 th grade. Get used to it. It is not going to change whether you like it or not. Another news flash many of these early commits are not big kids at all. Look it up and you will see!! Better yet ask your 8th grader they will tell you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The facts are that by 8th grade it is what it is. The overwhelming majority of the best kids will remain the best kids throughout high school and thereafter. Yes there will be a rare exception who peaks late or regresses because they don't work hard. But it is rare.The exceptional one got there because they work that doesn't just stop. Puberty and size do not make much of a difference. You can believe whatever you want to make yourself feel better but this is reality. The good ones just don't stop working. Size can help but it cant make up for athleticism and work. The good ones got there that way and it just doesn't go away!!!

So by your logic all the good 8th graders should be on Varsity? Relax Turtle dad, everything will be fine........

Originally Posted by Anonymous

- "ITs actually one of the reasons colleges dont look at kids until 10th grade." -

News flash... College coaches are looking at kids before the 10th grade...

News flash, there are 6-10 kids from the 2016 class that have "verballed" so far...

The first one was a 6-2 175 Freshman from the Haverford school.

It doesnt cost the college anything to verbal a kid which keeps them ahead of the competition in the recruit race. Several big time Division 1 coaches have stated on the record they want to see the recruiting guidelines changed but they are recruiting younger and younger kids to keep up. Its just a matter of time before they change the rules and younger kids will be off limits.
Lets all relax here

Originally Posted by Anonymous

... Several big time Division 1 coaches have stated on the record they want to see the recruiting guidelines changed but they are recruiting younger and younger kids to keep up. Its just a matter of time before they change the rules and younger kids will be off limits.

The recent recruiting rule changes just released by the NCAA for implementation starting in August 2013 have actually enabled contact with younger players. Since the NCAA will now allow relaxed contact with players - including the so-called "passing the baton" rule - you can expect that freshman and sophomores will increasing become part of the recruiting mill.

Important Recruiting Rules Changes Issued by NCAA

Not a Turtle dad. My boys are all older. But I have been through it. Can't tell you guys anything. You will have to see for yourselves. Unless kids get hurt or stop working by 8 th grade you are what you are. Very few exceptions. As far as 8 th graders playing varsity ...you are missing the point. Success into the 8th grade predicts success later on in the vast majority. Some smaller districts are putting 8 th graders and freshman on varsity by the way.

Early recruiting is here to stay. Only going to continue to get earlier. In fact my older sons college coach said the trend will cont and NCAA is going to continue to make it easier for college coaches to contact younger players. Like it or not that is the way it is.

I am curious to see what is ( or will be) the transfer rates of these early commits. The biggest problem I have with early recruiting is that kids "commit" to schools based on lacrosse and not on academics or school type (fit for them). All recruiters stress that the school you should select is the one that if lacrose ended tomorrow, you would still be happy there. How would a 9th grader know? My feeling is an 11th grader is more mature and more able to see the big picture - lacrosse can be a way to get into a reach school but ultimately academics gets you to the next step - the real world. Transferring from one school or another is not the end of the world, but it does create unnecessary stresses on the student and family - like finishing out a semester at your current school although you may be miserable.
Just my 2 cents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some of you people have to stop trying to live through these kids. It's sad your debating 8th grade kids. Hate to say it but I played at the highest level possible, and just cause you "dominated" doesn't mean squat. Some of these kids will grow and get better and some of them may have hit there peak. The fact is a "dominant" 8th grader doesn't mean a great high school let alone college player.

AMEN, lets see how all these "dominant" kids do in two years. Lots of kids will catch up and lax IQ and hard work will win out at the high school level. Enjoy your sons "dominance" while it lasts cause it can be gone in an instant.

You are correct. After all the dominant kids now are going to take their foot off the gas and not progress themselves. How people think is truly amazing.

Ever hear of a kid peaking early? Do you realize kids grow and mature at different times? 8th grade is typically when kids will start going through puberty and growing so it starts to even the playing field. ITs actually one of the reasons colleges dont look at kids until 10th grade. So you might want to reassess your thinking on the subject as well before you build up unrealistic expectations for your child.

Peaking pubescently and increasing stick skills and field IQ are two different things. I have never seen the fastest kid out run a crisp pass down the field. I will stand by my assessment and wish your kid the the best.

Have you ever heard of a big, fast kid with great stick skills and field IQ?

Not until you made mention of it...thanks for the revelation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a Turtle dad. My boys are all older. But I have been through it. Can't tell you guys anything. You will have to see for yourselves. Unless kids get hurt or stop working by 8 th grade you are what you are. Very few exceptions. As far as 8 th graders playing varsity ...you are missing the point. Success into the 8th grade predicts success later on in the vast majority. Some smaller districts are putting 8 th graders and freshman on varsity by the way.

Early recruiting is here to stay. Only going to continue to get earlier. In fact my older sons college coach said the trend will cont and NCAA is going to continue to make it easier for college coaches to contact younger players. Like it or not that is the way it is.

So what your saying is that unless your a stud in 8th grade you have no shot of being a impact player at the next level? Absurd logic you have there. Our high school Varsity coach doesnt even look at kids until there at least the JV level unless they are a true freak of nature.

If you talk to the D1 coaches they will tell you they would rather not have to talk to the younger kids but the present circumstances demand it.

My son is a very good 8th grade player and I would be happy if he has a good high school career and hopefully ends up playing college lacrosse at some level. You people who think your 8th graders are automatic D1 starters are out of your minds. So much time left and so many things that can happen. Enjoy the ride and try and stay away from putting unrealistic expectations on your child. Putting stress on a 13yr old kid so you can live vicariously through your child is borderline child neglect.

Oh and by the way, I dont know what is more disturbing the fact that if you dont have kids at this age group you would be trolling on this forum, or if you do have kids at this age group you would lie about it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a Turtle dad. My boys are all older. But I have been through it. Can't tell you guys anything. You will have to see for yourselves. Unless kids get hurt or stop working by 8 th grade you are what you are. Very few exceptions. As far as 8 th graders playing varsity ...you are missing the point. Success into the 8th grade predicts success later on in the vast majority. Some smaller districts are putting 8 th graders and freshman on varsity by the way.

Early recruiting is here to stay. Only going to continue to get earlier. In fact my older sons college coach said the trend will cont and NCAA is going to continue to make it easier for college coaches to contact younger players. Like it or not that is the way it is.

So what your saying is that unless your a stud in 8th grade you have no shot of being a impact player at the next level? Absurd logic you have there. Our high school Varsity coach doesnt even look at kids until there at least the JV level unless they are a true freak of nature.

If you talk to the D1 coaches they will tell you they would rather not have to talk to the younger kids but the present circumstances demand it.

My son is a very good 8th grade player and I would be happy if he has a good high school career and hopefully ends up playing college lacrosse at some level. You people who think your 8th graders are automatic D1 starters are out of your minds. So much time left and so many things that can happen. Enjoy the ride and try and stay away from putting unrealistic expectations on your child. Putting stress on a 13yr old kid so you can live vicariously through your child is borderline child neglect.

Oh and by the way, I dont know what is more disturbing the fact that if you dont have kids at this age group you would be trolling on this forum, or if you do have kids at this age group you would lie about it.

Why the personal attack dude? Quite disturbing really.

Can anyone provide any information on any. of the Long Island boys who went down to this weeks last 3d camp (new England region)?

There was tell that a few (elite team) players were going to try and increase their odds by going down this weekend.

Why not play with the mid Atlantic region they are from??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone provide any information on any. of the Long Island boys who went down to this weeks last 3d camp (new England region)?

There was tell that a few (elite team) players were going to try and increase their odds by going down this weekend.

Why not play with the mid Atlantic region they are from??

I don't know anybody who went to florida multiple times for this tryout. But, it wouldn't surprise me if a few over zealous parents tried it a couple of times if their son didn't do well one weekend. Good for them if they have those kinds of financial resources and time. However, there were a number of long island boys at the tryout for all 4 grades. I would imagine that many were like us, not being able to make the mid-Atlantic because of some kind of a conflict, illness, injury etc.. The directors of the program specifically allow flexibility in which date you attend if they have room. We were there this past weekend and I would say the talent level was excellent - you get no break trying to "game" the system by trying to guess which region would be the "easiest". First, you have to remember that your son is being judged not only against players at the same camp but also from all other previous camps. So, there is no way to slant the odds in your favor by making a bet as to which region is easiest. Even if that weren't the case - I can attest that the boys from Canada, upstate New [lacrosse] and New England are very, very good and some of the best players there this past weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a Turtle dad. My boys are all older. But I have been through it. Can't tell you guys anything. You will have to see for yourselves. Unless kids get hurt or stop working by 8 th grade you are what you are. Very few exceptions. As far as 8 th graders playing varsity ...you are missing the point. Success into the 8th grade predicts success later on in the vast majority. Some smaller districts are putting 8 th graders and freshman on varsity by the way.

Early recruiting is here to stay. Only going to continue to get earlier. In fact my older sons college coach said the trend will cont and NCAA is going to continue to make it easier for college coaches to contact younger players. Like it or not that is the way it is.

So what your saying is that unless your a stud in 8th grade you have no shot of being a impact player at the next level? Absurd logic you have there. Our high school Varsity coach doesnt even look at kids until there at least the JV level unless they are a true freak of nature.

If you talk to the D1 coaches they will tell you they would rather not have to talk to the younger kids but the present circumstances demand it.

My son is a very good 8th grade player and I would be happy if he has a good high school career and hopefully ends up playing college lacrosse at some level. You people who think your 8th graders are automatic D1 starters are out of your minds. So much time left and so many things that can happen. Enjoy the ride and try and stay away from putting unrealistic expectations on your child. Putting stress on a 13yr old kid so you can live vicariously through your child is borderline child neglect.

Oh and by the way, I dont know what is more disturbing the fact that if you dont have kids at this age group you would be trolling on this forum, or if you do have kids at this age group you would lie about it.

If you are a "stud" (or outstanding player) in 8th grade, you have the advantage. You are this good, most likely, because of hard work and natural talent. By 8th grade you are probably on one of the top teams with great coaching & other talented players that pushes you to work harder. These teams play in the higher levels during tournaments. All of this added up = stronger player in the up coming years. Are there exceptions to this "rule", of course! There will be a lot of movement in the next couple of years & few kids will "come out of the blue" but, the core "Studs" will still be there in HS. Your HS coach doesn't look at younger kids, some others do. & BTW there are quite a few "true freaks of nature" (as you would so nicely put it) @ this grade level.

Some kids are that good & they are on a D1 path already. Good for them! Hearing some of their "nutty" parents bragging about it on here is annoying but, nothing will change them. We will all have to put up with them for the nexr 4 years or so.

& honestly, I dont find it dusturbing that someone with older kids is on this forum. I like to hear someones opinion "who has been there". Again, the next couple/few years will be very interesting!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone provide any information on any. of the Long Island boys who went down to this weeks last 3d camp (new England region)?

There was tell that a few (elite team) players were going to try and increase their odds by going down this weekend.

Why not play with the mid Atlantic region they are from??

What difference does it make? Should they only go to college in the area they are from as well?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone provide any information on any. of the Long Island boys who went down to this weeks last 3d camp (new England region)?

There was tell that a few (elite team) players were going to try and increase their odds by going down this weekend.

Why not play with the mid Atlantic region they are from??

your sad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone provide any information on any. of the Long Island boys who went down to this weeks last 3d camp (new England region)?

There was tell that a few (elite team) players were going to try and increase their odds by going down this weekend.

Why not play with the mid Atlantic region they are from??

your sad.

Why sad? (It's "you're"; BTW),
The question remains: why take your so called very elite team players to try and get a spot to the JR camp via playing outside of your own very competitive region?

Has it not been stated on this forum numerous times that to be the best, you must play the best?

Is it not fair to claim that we have some or most of the best right here in our back yards on Long Island?

Why then, would one consider doing the above (scheduling "conflicts" aside)?

Which then, is sad; the concept being questioned or the actual participating in such backdoor antics?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone provide any information on any. of the Long Island boys who went down to this weeks last 3d camp (new England region)?

There was tell that a few (elite team) players were going to try and increase their odds by going down this weekend.

Why not play with the mid Atlantic region they are from??

your sad.

Why sad? (It's "you're"; BTW),
The question remains: why take your so called very elite team players to try and get a spot to the JR camp via playing outside of your own very competitive region?

Has it not been stated on this forum numerous times that to be the best, you must play the best?

Is it not fair to claim that we have some or most of the best right here in our back yards on Long Island?

Why then, would one consider doing the above (scheduling "conflicts" aside)?

Which then, is sad; the concept being questioned or the actual participating in such backdoor antics?

what is sad is your accusatory undertone and attempt to discredit some kids veiled in what seemed to be a innocent question of how some boys did in the "New England" region tryout, which is a bit misleading as it's clearly called the Northeast region.
You posses no facts of any kind regarding these kids situations and ignore many legitimate reasons kids would need to attend other regions (academics, family conflicts, illness, injury, etc)in your original post. As was mentioned in an earlier post the camp is more than flexible when accommodating these conflicts so whats the issue. There there seems very little room to game the system with the evaluation process they have in place and with numbers of spots you just can't fly under the radar.
Now in the case that parents attended this region to allow there kids to stand out in some perceived weakness. I can see why you would be upset, they are obviously smarter than you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone provide any information on any. of the Long Island boys who went down to this weeks last 3d camp (new England region)?

There was tell that a few (elite team) players were going to try and increase their odds by going down this weekend.

Why not play with the mid Atlantic region they are from??

If they are better than the boys from the "New England Region" and get selected, they obviously deserved it. If they didnt go outside their region, than less talented boys from the "New England Region" would have made it. The objective of the promoters is to get the best, regardless of where they come from or which group they tryout with.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone provide any information on any. of the Long Island boys who went down to this weeks last 3d camp (new England region)?

There was tell that a few (elite team) players were going to try and increase their odds by going down this weekend.

Why not play with the mid Atlantic region they are from??

your sad.

Why sad? (It's "you're"; BTW),
The question remains: why take your so called very elite team players to try and get a spot to the JR camp via playing outside of your own very competitive region?

Has it not been stated on this forum numerous times that to be the best, you must play the best?

Is it not fair to claim that we have some or most of the best right here in our back yards on Long Island?

Why then, would one consider doing the above (scheduling "conflicts" aside)?

Which then, is sad; the concept being questioned or the actual participating in such backdoor antics?

what is sad is your accusatory undertone and attempt to discredit some kids veiled in what seemed to be a innocent question of how some boys did in the "New England" region tryout, which is a bit misleading as it's clearly called the Northeast region.
You posses no facts of any kind regarding these kids situations and ignore many legitimate reasons kids would need to attend other regions (academics, family conflicts, illness, injury, etc)in your original post. As was mentioned in an earlier post the camp is more than flexible when accommodating these conflicts so whats the issue. There there seems very little room to game the system with the evaluation process they have in place and with numbers of spots you just can't fly under the radar.
Now in the case that parents attended this region to allow there kids to stand out in some perceived weakness. I can see why you would be upset, they are obviously smarter than you.

Your blithering rhetoric not withstanding; it should be clear to your uninformed mind that the long island region falls within the mid Atlantic classification. Period. Thus, let the kids earn their spots from their own regions. yes, I know what the rules say...spare us.

Smarter than me; not likely by a far shot; deceptive and disingenuous....??? Much more likely. What can be said of you, he who points fingers and labels others?

Care to retort in an equally enlightened manner, pray tell? Methinks not.

Save your breath.

Wow, that was better than a presidential debate!
To stay on point, do we have an Idea when they will announce the results of the camp? Has there been any feedback at all from the 3D directors posted anywhere?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone provide any information on any. of the Long Island boys who went down to this weeks last 3d camp (new England region)?

There was tell that a few (elite team) players were going to try and increase their odds by going down this weekend.

Why not play with the mid Atlantic region they are from??

your sad.

Why sad? (It's "you're"; BTW),
The question remains: why take your so called very elite team players to try and get a spot to the JR camp via playing outside of your own very competitive region?

Has it not been stated on this forum numerous times that to be the best, you must play the best?

Is it not fair to claim that we have some or most of the best right here in our back yards on Long Island?

Why then, would one consider doing the above (scheduling "conflicts" aside)?

Which then, is sad; the concept being questioned or the actual participating in such backdoor antics?

what is sad is your accusatory undertone and attempt to discredit some kids veiled in what seemed to be a innocent question of how some boys did in the "New England" region tryout, which is a bit misleading as it's clearly called the Northeast region.
You posses no facts of any kind regarding these kids situations and ignore many legitimate reasons kids would need to attend other regions (academics, family conflicts, illness, injury, etc)in your original post. As was mentioned in an earlier post the camp is more than flexible when accommodating these conflicts so whats the issue. There there seems very little room to game the system with the evaluation process they have in place and with numbers of spots you just can't fly under the radar.
Now in the case that parents attended this region to allow there kids to stand out in some perceived weakness. I can see why you would be upset, they are obviously smarter than you.

Your blithering rhetoric not withstanding; it should be clear to your uninformed mind that the long island region falls within the mid Atlantic classification. Period. Thus, let the kids earn their spots from their own regions. yes, I know what the rules say...spare us.

Smarter than me; not likely by a far shot; deceptive and disingenuous....??? Much more likely. What can be said of you, he who points fingers and labels others?

Care to retort in an equally enlightened manner, pray tell? Methinks not.

Save your breath.

He's baaack!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone provide any information on any. of the Long Island boys who went down to this weeks last 3d camp (new England region)?

There was tell that a few (elite team) players were going to try and increase their odds by going down this weekend.

Why not play with the mid Atlantic region they are from??

If they are better than the boys from the "New England Region" and get selected, they obviously deserved it. If they didnt go outside their region, than less talented boys from the "New England Region" would have made it. The objective of the promoters is to get the best, regardless of where they come from or which group they tryout with.

I'm not sure this is not a true statement. This is how it its been described to me. It does not matter what region you attend since all boys are evaluated individuaolly against the enitre pool of roughly 600+ that were signed up to participate in the process. Contrary to what you just wrote, in theory (not realistic though), if there was one weekend were all the boys were "weak", there would be no (zero) boys selected from that weekend. The "best of the worst" would not be selected just because they were there. Additionally, if you had a case where there was one kid who looked above average agasint a pool of weak players, that one kid might still not make it because he didn't rank as high as the boys in his position from the other 4 weekends. Conversely, if a strong player doesn't "light it up" against a very strong pool of talent on a given weekend, he might still make it through because he showed enough against great talent that particular weekend. There is no set amount of boys who are selected from each weekend - again, in theory it could be zero for a given weekend. So, it doesn't matter what region you go to because your son's individual grade is judged against the entire pool across all weekends. Bottom line - on average if they are taking 120 from the roughly 600 attendees in each grade, your chances are about 4 in 5 or 80% that you DONT make it. Not easy - congrats to those who make it through.

Does anyone know if and when boys will be contacted ? Will they send an email if they don't make the camp? Any info would be helpful ty

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know if and when boys will be contacted ? Will they send an email if they don't make the camp? Any info would be helpful ty

The camp packet said there will be emails sent out by March 1st informing the boys whether they made it or not. It went on to say if you do not hear something by March 8th to contact them. To answer an earlier question there hasnt been any feedback or communication from the evaluators that I am aware of, the whole thing has been pretty tight lipped.

The camp was a great experience, even if my kid doesnt make it Im glad we went and he is definitely a better player for it. Good luck to all of the boys that competed.

Actually there were 3D tweets about six players from the mid-atlantic weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone provide any information on any. of the Long Island boys who went down to this weeks last 3d camp (new England region)?

There was tell that a few (elite team) players were going to try and increase their odds by going down this weekend.

Why not play with the mid Atlantic region they are from??

If they are better than the boys from the "New England Region" and get selected, they obviously deserved it. If they didnt go outside their region, than less talented boys from the "New England Region" would have made it. The objective of the promoters is to get the best, regardless of where they come from or which group they tryout with.

I'm not sure this is not a true statement. This is how it its been described to me. It does not matter what region you attend since all boys are evaluated individuaolly against the enitre pool of roughly 600+ that were signed up to participate in the process. Contrary to what you just wrote, in theory (not realistic though), if there was one weekend were all the boys were "weak", there would be no (zero) boys selected from that weekend. The "best of the worst" would not be selected just because they were there. Additionally, if you had a case where there was one kid who looked above average agasint a pool of weak players, that one kid might still not make it because he didn't rank as high as the boys in his position from the other 4 weekends. Conversely, if a strong player doesn't "light it up" against a very strong pool of talent on a given weekend, he might still make it through because he showed enough against great talent that particular weekend. There is no set amount of boys who are selected from each weekend - again, in theory it could be zero for a given weekend. So, it doesn't matter what region you go to because your son's individual grade is judged against the entire pool across all weekends. Bottom line - on average if they are taking 120 from the roughly 600 attendees in each grade, your chances are about 4 in 5 or 80% that you DONT make it. Not easy - congrats to those who make it through.

From what i understand roughly 20-24 kids per region will be selected to attend JR120 (now 240) and the other 120 will need to go through the process again.

What do you mean 240? They are taking a total of 120 kids for the 2017 Age group. You just confused everyone. They also made it clear they were not taking a set amount of kids from any of the regions.

As to the tweets about players from the Mid Atlantic, havent seen anything like that on the 3D twitter feed, maybe you can enlighten us

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone provide any information on any. of the Long Island boys who went down to this weeks last 3d camp (new England region)?

There was tell that a few (elite team) players were going to try and increase their odds by going down this weekend.

Why not play with the mid Atlantic region they are from??

If they are better than the boys from the "New England Region" and get selected, they obviously deserved it. If they didnt go outside their region, than less talented boys from the "New England Region" would have made it. The objective of the promoters is to get the best, regardless of where they come from or which group they tryout with.

I'm not sure this is not a true statement. This is how it its been described to me. It does not matter what region you attend since all boys are evaluated individuaolly against the enitre pool of roughly 600+ that were signed up to participate in the process. Contrary to what you just wrote, in theory (not realistic though), if there was one weekend were all the boys were "weak", there would be no (zero) boys selected from that weekend. The "best of the worst" would not be selected just because they were there. Additionally, if you had a case where there was one kid who looked above average agasint a pool of weak players, that one kid might still not make it because he didn't rank as high as the boys in his position from the other 4 weekends. Conversely, if a strong player doesn't "light it up" against a very strong pool of talent on a given weekend, he might still make it through because he showed enough against great talent that particular weekend. There is no set amount of boys who are selected from each weekend - again, in theory it could be zero for a given weekend. So, it doesn't matter what region you go to because your son's individual grade is judged against the entire pool across all weekends. Bottom line - on average if they are taking 120 from the roughly 600 attendees in each grade, your chances are about 4 in 5 or 80% that you DONT make it. Not easy - congrats to those who make it through.

this is how it was described to me by one of the directors...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What do you mean 240? They are taking a total of 120 kids for the 2017 Age group. You just confused everyone. They also made it clear they were not taking a set amount of kids from any of the regions.

As to the tweets about players from the Mid Atlantic, havent seen anything like that on the 3D twitter feed, maybe you can enlighten us

Look at Matt Rowley 3D (Team Steak) twitter feed. He is one of the National Evaluators for 2017. Also, in terms of the other question above, is it 120 kids for 2017 and 240 for grades above (120 directly invited by Jake Reed and another 120 identified from the regional 3D camps). Hope this helps.

what is sad is your accusatory undertone and attempt to discredit some kids veiled in what seemed to be a innocent question of how some boys did in the "New England" region tryout, which is a bit misleading as it's clearly called the Northeast region.
You posses no facts of any kind regarding these kids situations and ignore many legitimate reasons kids would need to attend other regions (academics, family conflicts, illness, injury, etc)in your original post. As was mentioned in an earlier post the camp is more than flexible when accommodating these conflicts so whats the issue. There there seems very little room to game the system with the evaluation process they have in place and with numbers of spots you just can't fly under the radar.
Now in the case that parents attended this region to allow there kids to stand out in some perceived weakness. I can see why you would be upset, they are obviously smarter than you.

[/quote]

Your blithering rhetoric not withstanding; it should be clear to your uninformed mind that the long island region falls within the mid Atlantic classification. Period. Thus, let the kids earn their spots from their own regions. yes, I know what the rules say...spare us.

Smarter than me; not likely by a far shot; deceptive and disingenuous....??? Much more likely. What can be said of you, he who points fingers and labels others?

Care to retort in an equally enlightened manner, pray tell? Methinks not.

Save your breath. [/quote]

I would say as disingenuous as your attempt to find out how some "kids" did down at the camp, to then what? write how proud you are they competed well or more likely tear them down. "They're" kids my friend, your attempt to discredit teenage boys is like I said. Sad..
when it comes down to it these competitive camps do not discriminate, if your good your good. If you sneak in somehow you will be exposed. with a 120 kids there will be nowhere to hide.

Inaccurate information is making this confusing. With the 2017's (current 8th grade) the only way to go to Jake Reed is through 3d as there are NO invites from Jake. Also, there is very little if not any interest from college coaches at that age. It's the following year when Jake sends out his invites that's important. If you don't get invite, then it may be worth going to 3d and showing what you have. This year, though, for 2017, it doesn't really matter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what is sad is your accusatory undertone and attempt to discredit some kids veiled in what seemed to be a innocent question of how some boys did in the "New England" region tryout, which is a bit misleading as it's clearly called the Northeast region.
You posses no facts of any kind regarding these kids situations and ignore many legitimate reasons kids would need to attend other regions (academics, family conflicts, illness, injury, etc)in your original post. As was mentioned in an earlier post the camp is more than flexible when accommodating these conflicts so whats the issue. There there seems very little room to game the system with the evaluation process they have in place and with numbers of spots you just can't fly under the radar.
Now in the case that parents attended this region to allow there kids to stand out in some perceived weakness. I can see why you would be upset, they are obviously smarter than you.

Your blithering rhetoric not withstanding; it should be clear to your uninformed mind that the long island region falls within the mid Atlantic classification. Period. Thus, let the kids earn their spots from their own regions. yes, I know what the rules say...spare us.

Smarter than me; not likely by a far shot; deceptive and disingenuous....??? Much more likely. What can be said of you, he who points fingers and labels others?

Care to retort in an equally enlightened manner, pray tell? Methinks not.

Save your breath. [/quote]

I would say as disingenuous as your attempt to find out how some "kids" did down at the camp, to then what? write how proud you are they competed well or more likely tear them down. "They're" kids my friend, your attempt to discredit teenage boys is like I said. Sad..
when it comes down to it these competitive camps do not discriminate, if your good your good. If you sneak in somehow you will be exposed. with a 120 kids there will be nowhere to hide. [/quote]

your phillipic platitudes are bereft of any substantiation of the original statement. In fact, it was an assumption on your part as to the intent of the statement. It was simply stated that there were players attempting to gain more visibility via a region that is not as strong in the sport generally. You are correct in that there will be no place to hide; however, your attempts to insinuate a planned discreditation of said kids is inappropriate and inaccurate.

thank you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Inaccurate information is making this confusing. With the 2017's (current 8th grade) the only way to go to Jake Reed is through 3d as there are NO invites from Jake. Also, there is very little if not any interest from college coaches at that age. It's the following year when Jake sends out his invites that's important. If you don't get invite, then it may be worth going to 3d and showing what you have. This year, though, for 2017, it doesn't really matter.

Thank you!!!!

Its been said before but the thread seems to continue with the notion that the Mid-Atlantic region is the "strongest". That is a serious miscalculation if you are going with that. I've personally seen the West Coast, Mid Atlantic and Northeast camps. I'll be very clear - there is NO DISCERNABLE DIFFERENCE from one region to the next. Check out the D1 and D3 rosters as well as the verbal lists on insidelacrosse - college coaches are giving the Heisman stiff arm to NY/Baltimore kids in favor of kids from the other regions. Its a fact.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what is sad is your accusatory undertone and attempt to discredit some kids veiled in what seemed to be a innocent question of how some boys did in the "New England" region tryout, which is a bit misleading as it's clearly called the Northeast region.
You posses no facts of any kind regarding these kids situations and ignore many legitimate reasons kids would need to attend other regions (academics, family conflicts, illness, injury, etc)in your original post. As was mentioned in an earlier post the camp is more than flexible when accommodating these conflicts so whats the issue. There there seems very little room to game the system with the evaluation process they have in place and with numbers of spots you just can't fly under the radar.
Now in the case that parents attended this region to allow there kids to stand out in some perceived weakness. I can see why you would be upset, they are obviously smarter than you.

Your blithering rhetoric not withstanding; it should be clear to your uninformed mind that the long island region falls within the mid Atlantic classification. Period. Thus, let the kids earn their spots from their own regions. yes, I know what the rules say...spare us.

Smarter than me; not likely by a far shot; deceptive and disingenuous....??? Much more likely. What can be said of you, he who points fingers and labels others?

Care to retort in an equally enlightened manner, pray tell? Methinks not.

Save your breath.

I would say as disingenuous as your attempt to find out how some "kids" did down at the camp, to then what? write how proud you are they competed well or more likely tear them down. "They're" kids my friend, your attempt to discredit teenage boys is like I said. Sad..
when it comes down to it these competitive camps do not discriminate, if your good your good. If you sneak in somehow you will be exposed. with a 120 kids there will be nowhere to hide. [/quote]

your phillipic platitudes are bereft of any substantiation of the original statement. In fact, it was an assumption on your part as to the intent of the statement. It was simply stated that there were players attempting to gain more visibility via a region that is not as strong in the sport generally. You are correct in that there will be no place to hide; however, your attempts to insinuate a planned discreditation of said kids is inappropriate and inaccurate.

thank you. [/quote]

if it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck... its a duck..

If you spoke to the evaluators at 3D/blue chip they all said the 2017 mid-Atlantic group was by far the strongest that they had seen. That's a fact. Other years maybe not but 2017 by far the best. Ask any parent or kid that was in Florida with the Mid-Atlantic group and they will say the evaluators and people who ran it said that. THAT IS A FACT. ....not our words .....their words.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you spoke to the evaluators at 3D/blue chip they all said the 2017 mid-Atlantic group was by far the strongest that they had seen. That's a fact. Other years maybe not but 2017 by far the best. Ask any parent or kid that was in Florida with the Mid-Atlantic group and they will say the evaluators and people who ran it said that. THAT IS A FACT. ....not our words .....their words.

I second that, and being down there and watching those kids play its hard to imagine a group to compete with that one

While interest and participation in lacrosse is growing across the country, the statement that "college coaches are giving the Hesiman stiff arm to NY?Blatimore kids in favor of kids from other regions" in not a fact as expressed by this person. In fact, of 367 roster postions at Cornell, Duke, Johns Hopkins, Loyola, Mayland, Syracuse, UNC, and UVA, 172 come from either NY or MD (47% of the rosters). If we add in CT, DE, PA, and VA, another 96 roster spots are filled. Nearly 73% of the current roster spots at arguably the top lacrosse schools come from the traditional hot-bed regions. As lacrosse expands into other parts of the country, I'm sure this will change (as I'm sure it has changed from 20 years ago). But , college coaches are realists and will continue to draw from MD and NY as long as the level of lacrosse remains high.

BTW, I should have added that if "Downstate" (i.e. LI, NYC, and Westchester) were its own state, it would account for 62 roster spots at these schools, second only to MD. And MD should, like NY, be considered two regions: Baltimore and DC/So.MD. So, Long Island does quite well with the top lacrosse schools.

Results from February 2nd matches at the Sports Hub.

Daler Nation over North Shore, 13-3
North Shore vs. Long Island Tomahawks, Not Reported
Rough Riders vs. Long Island Storm, Not Reported

Standings

GP W L T GF GA PTS GD
Long Island Tomahawks 3 3 0 0 34 15 9 19
DalerNation 4 2 1 1 46 28 7 18
North Shore Black Knights 3 1 1 1 16 25 4 -9
North Shore Midshipmen 2 0 1 1 17 18 1 -1
Long Island Storm 2 0 1 1 11 17 1 -6
Rough Riders 2 0 2 0 6 27 0 -21

keep in mind that the vast number of college recruiting coaches are still from MD/LI...
its natural for them to spend most of their recruiting time in the areas that they grew up and are familiar with...
this is certainly changing... there are really talented laxers ALL over the country as everyone is learning

Originally Posted by Anonymous

While interest and participation in lacrosse is growing across the country, the statement that "college coaches are giving the Hesiman stiff arm to NY?Blatimore kids in favor of kids from other regions" in not a fact as expressed by this person. In fact, of 367 roster postions at Cornell, Duke, Johns Hopkins, Loyola, Mayland, Syracuse, UNC, and UVA, 172 come from either NY or MD (47% of the rosters). If we add in CT, DE, PA, and VA, another 96 roster spots are filled. Nearly 73% of the current roster spots at arguably the top lacrosse schools come from the traditional hot-bed regions. As lacrosse expands into other parts of the country, I'm sure this will change (as I'm sure it has changed from 20 years ago). But , college coaches are realists and will continue to draw from MD and NY as long as the level of lacrosse remains high.

According to insidelacrosse, the listings for the 2015 verbals shows that out of approx 108 commits, only 12 were from long island = 11%. If you take Ohio State out of the equation, the numbers are 7/98 = 7%. Heisman.

Has anybody had any experience w/ Millon Lacrosse Camp. I am curious if your sons enjoyed the experience.

Specifically how was the instruction, did they have fun and was there sufficient supervision especially for those boys who elected to sleep in the dorms. Thanks

You are talking about sophmores. Many other players will form the actual rosters when these boys are freshman in college. Let's take a look in three year's time at the rosters of these same schools. I don't think we will she a, as you label it, "Heisman," but a gradual shift to other states as the rest of the country starts playing more lacrosse and develops more talent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anybody had any experience w/ Millon Lacrosse Camp. I am curious if your sons enjoyed the experience.

Specifically how was the instruction, did they have fun and was there sufficient supervision especially for those boys who elected to sleep in the dorms. Thanks

Our son had two camps with them. A lot of fun in a nice relaxed no pressure atmosphere with young counselors who made itma great time for the kids

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anybody had any experience w/ Millon Lacrosse Camp. I am curious if your sons enjoyed the experience.

Specifically how was the instruction, did they have fun and was there sufficient supervision especially for those boys who elected to sleep in the dorms. Thanks

I had 2 sons attend, and the camp was ok fun, but not vey instructional. Too much down time. The counselors were very young and seemed more interested in their cell phones then coaching. But the boys had fun with their friends.

OK...give us your biased unofficial preseason power rankings of the major Long Island Club 2017 teams.

lets see how they add up... no flames; just rank your top ten

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK...give us your biased unofficial preseason power rankings of the major Long Island Club 2017 teams.

lets see how they add up... no flames; just rank your top ten

I'll go top five as

turtles
91
terps
jesters
Blue

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK...give us your biased unofficial preseason power rankings of the major Long Island Club 2017 teams.

lets see how they add up... no flames; just rank your top ten

I'll go top five as

turtles
91
terps
jesters
Blue

This might be accurate - or it might not be accurate. While this might make for great Boys 2017 conversation, what about teams that fall below this elite layer?

Our point about team rankings here on BOTC is not to just name the top five or top ten teams since that is a relatively easy exercise.

The real issue is to rank all of the teams from Long Island to allow for competitive and dependable brackets to be built at tournaments and for future league scheduling. The GOTSOCCER model has been highly successful at doing just that and lacrosse would benefit from a consistent system used for the recording of results and therefore the ranking of events and then teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK...give us your biased unofficial preseason power rankings of the major Long Island Club 2017 teams.

lets see how they add up... no flames; just rank your top ten

I'll go top five as

turtles
91
terps
jesters
Blue

fl$?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK...give us your biased unofficial preseason power rankings of the major Long Island Club 2017 teams.

lets see how they add up... no flames; just rank your top ten

I'll go top five as

turtles
91
terps
jesters
Blue

fl$?

Not in top 5. It's this persons opinion.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK...give us your biased unofficial preseason power rankings of the major Long Island Club 2017 teams.

lets see how they add up... no flames; just rank your top ten

I'll go top five as

turtles
91
terps/fl$
jesters
Blue

fl$?

PUT fl$ AS ABOVE

so how do those soccer rankings work anyway?

My top eight (couldnt think of ten elite teams), in no particular order

Turtles
Terps
91 Orange
fl$
True Blue
Gladiators
Jesters Black
Outlaws Black

If I forgot someone I apologize

Originally Posted by Anonymous

so how do those soccer rankings work anyway?

In a nut shell, virtually every tournament played in the soccer world is run through Got Soccer which handles all of the registration logistics and hosts the game schedules and bracket results. Since every team must log into the Got Soccer system in order to register, each team is allocated a unique record which tracks every single game they play under the Got Soccer system. Therefore, wins, losses, and draws are carefully recorded at the tournament level and used to rank teams going forward. (Older records "decay" and have less value than more recent records.)

Since each tournament is weighted in terms of points (and adjusted based on the teams that partake), better performances earn more points. Tally up the points for each team within an age group and you have a ranking of the teams.

Now, since each subsequent tournament (regardless of vendor) refers to these rankings when bracketing registered teams, the brackets wind up being uniformly competitive in most circumstances.

There are more subtle points here (including point values for multiple brackets and where a lower bracket winner is worth more points than an upper bracket zero-win team), but those special cases only detract from the discussion.

The key is that GOT SOCCER's value proposition was in providing a tournament organization and registration service - which later became a heavyweight and honest ranking system. To be honest, the soccer world will argue about the relative point values of different tournaments, but that greatly moves the discussion forward over the currently unbalanced brackets seen in lacrosse.

Hope that this helps.

Which of these teams, if any, are playing in the Oyster Bay lacrosse league this spring? If not, where are they playing?

Some other teams - complete guess based on last 3 years of tournaments-keeping it to LI

1. Turtles
2. Terps
3. 91
4. True Blue
5. Gladiators
6. Tomohawks
7. fl$
8. Outlaws
9. Jesters
10.Riptide

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some other teams - complete guess based on last 3 years of tournaments-keeping it to LI

1. Turtles
2. Terps
3. 91
4. True Blue
5. Gladiators
6. Tomohawks
7. fl$
8. Outlaws
9. Jesters
10.Riptide

have the terps and 91 played eachother this pas fall at all?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some other teams - complete guess based on last 3 years of tournaments-keeping it to LI

1. Turtles
2. Terps
3. 91
4. True Blue
5. Gladiators
6. Tomohawks
7. fl$
8. Outlaws
9. Jesters
10.Riptide

Does Team LI have a competitive team for this age? I know they do U teams but their HighSchool and U13 teams are competitive.

are gladiators still that strong? Didn't they lose a number of kids in the fall?

Anonymous
Unregistered

Any teams in need of goalies for indoor games email laxdad44@gmail.com. We have several boys and girls goalies available to fill in on short notice.

1 Turtles
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10 Terps
11 ....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1 Turtles
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10 Terps
11 ....

Well...the OP did say "biased"....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1 Turtles
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10 Terps

Why so mean? Aren't you from the same club? Sad part is, this was probably a parent...
11 ....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some other teams - complete guess based on last 3 years of tournaments-keeping it to LI

1. Turtles
2. Terps
3. 91
4. True Blue
5. Gladiators
6. Tomohawks
7. fl$
8. Outlaws
9. Jesters
10.Riptide

Havent seen much of Tomahawks and Riptide last couple of years. Otherwise a good list. Gladiators lost a few kids but still a very good team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1 Turtles
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10 Terps
11 ....

10? Interesting question to me is why does several of your turtle players train with the terps and their coaches if they are so low in your mind?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My top eight (couldnt think of ten elite teams), in no particular order

Turtles
Terps
91 Orange
fl$
True Blue
Gladiators
Jesters Black
Outlaws Black

If I forgot someone I apologize

Most accurate list in my view. i heard Terps are changing things up??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK...give us your biased unofficial preseason power rankings of the major Long Island Club 2017 teams.

lets see how they add up... no flames; just rank your top ten

Oh, this should give us some entertainment for the snowed in weekend

1- tutles
2-TB
91
terps
3- all the rest

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My top eight (couldnt think of ten elite teams), in no particular order

Turtles
Terps
91 Orange
fl$
True Blue
Gladiators
Jesters Black
Outlaws Black

If I forgot someone I apologize

Most accurate list in my view. i heard Terps are changing things up??

The word on the grape vine is that they will be dividing the 2017 terps into two teams. One AA Team and the rest will form an A or B team? Guess that makes about 16-18 kids per team. That should create a lot more playing time for all involved

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1- tutles
2-TB
91
terps
3- all the rest

You really feel that TB/Terps/91 all are at same level? No difference?
who would win a three way round robin if it was held today?
No sure if TB and 91 enter same high level tournaments as terps.

The word on the grape vine is that they will be dividing the 2017 terps into two teams. One AA Team and the rest will form an A or B team? Guess that makes about 16-18 kids per team. That should create a lot more playing time for all involved [/quote]

That's a great idea!!! Love the idea of a smaller roster.It is in many situations a disservice to the players that the tryouts ar eheld so early. I like the idea to play together for awhile and then based on performance move players into teams in the spring prior to the summer travel season.Gives coaches a chance to see who really belongs where. Especially with all the movement of players from year to year from progam to program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1- tutles
2-TB
91
terps
3- all the rest

You really feel that TB/Terps/91 all are at same level? No difference?
who would win a three way round robin if it was held today?
No sure if TB and 91 enter same high level tournaments as terps.

agreed

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My top eight (couldnt think of ten elite teams), in no particular order

Turtles
Terps
91 Orange
fl$
True Blue
Gladiators
Jesters Black
Outlaws Black

If I forgot someone I apologize

Most accurate list in my view. i heard Terps are changing things up??

Express is "changing up" a team? Seriously? How suprising!!! LOL!!! Now lets hear those parents on here complaing and justifying. It happens EVERY year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My top eight (couldnt think of ten elite teams), in no particular order

Turtles
Terps
91 Orange
fl$
True Blue
Gladiators
Jesters Black
Outlaws Black

If I forgot someone I apologize

Most accurate list in my view. i heard Terps are changing things up??

The word on the grape vine is that they will be dividing the 2017 terps into two teams. One AA Team and the rest will form an A or B team? Guess that makes about 16-18 kids per team. That should create a lot more playing time for all involved

Or typical Express animosity!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The word on the grape vine is that they will be dividing the 2017 terps into two teams. One AA Team and the rest will form an A or B team? Guess that makes about 16-18 kids per team. That should create a lot more playing time for all involved

That's a great idea!!! Love the idea of a smaller roster.It is in many situations a disservice to the players that the tryouts ar eheld so early. I like the idea to play together for awhile and then based on performance move players into teams in the spring prior to the summer travel season.Gives coaches a chance to see who really belongs where. Especially with all the movement of players from year to year from progam to program.

It is amazing to me that all of you people are still "buying" into this! Your child tried out for a team, made that team, you paid A LOT of $$ to play on that team & right before the spring season is told he is not on that team...you are on a "B" team. How do they convince you all that this is OK? UNBELIEVABLE!!!

What about the boys that made team on try outs for terps. Mc bloated roster and now has to split team. That's nuts. That team won many games as originally made in the fall.Can't believe other directors would allow this from lie.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1- tutles
2-TB
91
terps
3- all the rest

You really feel that TB/Terps/91 all are at same level? No difference?
who would win a three way round robin if it was held today?
No sure if TB and 91 enter same high level tournaments as terps.

agreed

IDK who would win that round robin, nor do you, it hasn't happened. What high level tournaments are you talking about? Have the Terps played in a Spring/Summer tourny yet? Do you even know who is on the Terps team? You are very chatty for someone who doesn't know if their kid has even made the "New" Terp AA team. Why cant you just leave it that there are some VERY talented 2017 players on LI?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What about the boys that made team on try outs for terps. Mc bloated roster and now has to split team. That's nuts. That team won many games as originally made in the fall.Can't believe other directors would allow this from lie.

You really can't believe this? it happens EVERY year!

Other teams may not win every game but at least we know where are kids stand and who their teammates are. Keep drinking the Cool-Aid. What is that 4 or 5 or 6 2017 boys express teams? Some things never change

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1- tutles
2-TB
91
terps
3- all the rest

You really feel that TB/Terps/91 all are at same level? No difference?
who would win a three way round robin if it was held today?
No sure if TB and 91 enter same high level tournaments as terps.

agreed

IDK who would win that round robin, nor do you, it hasn't happened. What high level tournaments are you talking about? Have the Terps played in a Spring/Summer tourny yet? Do you even know who is on the Terps team? You are very chatty for someone who doesn't know if their kid has even made the "New" Terp AA team. Why cant you just leave it that there are some VERY talented 2017 players on LI?

Actually, the question was from a completely innocent point of view. I have no data to make an informed opinion or answer, that is why it was asked. So, hypothetically; who do you think would win that three way based on whatever information or experience you may have with these teams?

As far as the tournament question aspect, I was referring to past history of teams entering them. I think Terps and 91 enter pretty high level tournaments but am not aware of TB touney history.
And finally, I totally agree: there are many very talented players on LI and I hope there always will be.

You Can't believe it!!! LOL !!!! They just keep $$$ ing in on parents who buy into this. Same old express. And you can't believe. You must be completely oblivious. But it's all for the kids development. I am sure you believe that too!!!!

Okay- innocent questions here... so some teams have been ranked. I assume all the teams ranked for this year are the A teams for each club. I noticed that no one put any B teams- except maybe the terps- next in line to the Turtles? Anyway- so is it always better to go to a club that accepted you as an A player- even if you feel the club is not as strong, as oppossed to a B team of a stronger club. Thoughts? I have a few sons and one is not an A player- so landing on a B team is just fine with us- it suits him, his level, his development and happiness. I have other sons that are considered A level players- and play as such- but are marginally younger. Just wondering if you would accept a B team over an A team of a club that you are not as familiar with or is a lesser power house in the lax worls at the moment.

Are you stupid did not mention express B team in top 10 . Let me put it so simple terms, you are talking Cindy Crawford vs Rosie ODonnel.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Okay- innocent questions here... so some teams have been ranked. I assume all the teams ranked for this year are the A teams for each club. I noticed that no one put any B teams- except maybe the terps- next in line to the Turtles? Anyway- so is it always better to go to a club that accepted you as an A player- even if you feel the club is not as strong, as oppossed to a B team of a stronger club. Thoughts? I have a few sons and one is not an A player- so landing on a B team is just fine with us- it suits him, his level, his development and happiness. I have other sons that are considered A level players- and play as such- but are marginally younger. Just wondering if you would accept a B team over an A team of a club that you are not as familiar with or is a lesser power house in the lax worls at the moment.

In my case I would say I would go with the A team for the simple fact that the boys will play against better competition and thus make him a better player. Although the flip side of that is if he does go with a "B" and they are playing a competetive schedule and getting good coaching, who cares whether or not they are A or B? Its all about whats best for your son and whether or not he is enjoying himself and becoming a better player in the process.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Okay- innocent questions here... so some teams have been ranked. I assume all the teams ranked for this year are the A teams for each club. I noticed that no one put any B teams- except maybe the terps- next in line to the Turtles? Anyway- so is it always better to go to a club that accepted you as an A player- even if you feel the club is not as strong, as oppossed to a B team of a stronger club. Thoughts? I have a few sons and one is not an A player- so landing on a B team is just fine with us- it suits him, his level, his development and happiness. I have other sons that are considered A level players- and play as such- but are marginally younger. Just wondering if you would accept a B team over an A team of a club that you are not as familiar with or is a lesser power house in the lax worls at the moment.

In my opinion A or B label wouldn't matter. What team has the better coaching , practice schedule , quality of players etc .... That would be the team I would choose for my son.

I think it totally depends upon your son, his development needs, your finances and location. My son went with a lesser known team this year though he made a couple of more well known 'A' teams because it is a little cheaper, location of practices is closer, and we felt the coaching is better. We expect him to learn more from this team than he could from any of the A teams he made. The coaching is just that much better and we believe good instruction/coaching is more important than being on an A team. The trade off is that he probably won't play some of the better teams and wont be going to the better tournaments. There's still time, he's only in 8th grade. IMHO Which of the LI teams will be playing in the OBLL?

I would take the strong B team over a weak A team. The coaching will be better.

Turtles have been playing together many years, by default they are the premier team. Terps have a very strong set of athletes but they have only been together since the fall. They have beat some very good teams along the way, including some of the Best from Baltimore and Philly. 91 fl$ TrueBlue are all very strong as well. 2017 class is deep with talent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1- tutles
2-TB
91
terps
3- all the rest

You really feel that TB/Terps/91 all are at same level? No difference?
who would win a three way round robin if it was held today?
No sure if TB and 91 enter same high level tournaments as terps.

agreed

IDK who would win that round robin, nor do you, it hasn't happened. What high level tournaments are you talking about? Have the Terps played in a Spring/Summer tourny yet? Do you even know who is on the Terps team? You are very chatty for someone who doesn't know if their kid has even made the "New" Terp AA team. Why cant you just leave it that there are some VERY talented 2017 players on LI?

new terps AA team??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are you stupid did not mention express B team in top 10 . Let me put it so simple terms, you are talking Cindy Crawford vs Rosie ODonnel.

Nice...

you obviously have not seen TB, 91 and Terps play... I did.they are all really good...

but you are crazy if you discount True Blue or 91
... better yet, ask your kid or a player who played against those teams what he thinks.... you'll get the truth...

the question is; Will you post it??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would take the strong B team over a weak A team. The coaching will be better.

how do you know the coaching will be better?

Originally Posted by stich2681

I think it totally depends upon your son, his development needs, your finances and location. My son went with a lesser known team this year though he made a couple of more well known 'A' teams because it is a little cheaper, location of practices is closer, and we felt the coaching is better. We expect him to learn more from this team than he could from any of the A teams he made. The coaching is just that much better and we believe good instruction/coaching is more important than being on an A team. The trade off is that he probably won't play some of the better teams and wont be going to the better tournaments. There's still time, he's only in 8th grade. IMHO Which of the LI teams will be playing in the OBLL?

"There's still time, he's only in 8th grade", thats a first on this site! Everyone here has their kids playing D1 by 4th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1- tutles
2-TB
91
terps
3- all the rest

You really feel that TB/Terps/91 all are at same level? No difference?
who would win a three way round robin if it was held today?
No sure if TB and 91 enter same high level tournaments as terps.

agreed

IDK who would win that round robin, nor do you, it hasn't happened. What high level tournaments are you talking about? Have the Terps played in a Spring/Summer tourny yet? Do you even know who is on the Terps team? You are very chatty for someone who doesn't know if their kid has even made the "New" Terp AA team. Why cant you just leave it that there are some VERY talented 2017 players on LI?

Actually, the question was from a completely innocent point of view. I have no data to make an informed opinion or answer, that is why it was asked. So, hypothetically; who do you think would win that three way based on whatever information or experience you may have with these teams?

As far as the tournament question aspect, I was referring to past history of teams entering them. I think Terps and 91 enter pretty high level tournaments but am not aware of TB touney history.
And finally, I totally agree: there are many very talented players on LI and I hope there always will be.

A completely innocent point of view? OK...No one would have that "data" or "informed opinion".(although some on here speak as they do) Apparently, these boys are all getting better, bigger, stronger & faster..."Any Given Sunday"

As for the tournaments that they have entered, 91 & TB have been in some of the same & some different, Terps have only played fall tournaments.

Asking which team would win or rank the 2017 teams is ridiculous. It has proven to bring out the worst in some adults.

lighten up... Francis

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1- tutles
2-TB
91
terps
3- all the rest

You really feel that TB/Terps/91 all are at same level? No difference?
who would win a three way round robin if it was held today?
No sure if TB and 91 enter same high level tournaments as terps.

agreed

IDK who would win that round robin, nor do you, it hasn't happened. What high level tournaments are you talking about? Have the Terps played in a Spring/Summer tourny yet? Do you even know who is on the Terps team? You are very chatty for someone who doesn't know if their kid has even made the "New" Terp AA team. Why cant you just leave it that there are some VERY talented 2017 players on LI?

Actually, the question was from a completely innocent point of view. I have no data to make an informed opinion or answer, that is why it was asked. So, hypothetically; who do you think would win that three way based on whatever information or experience you may have with these teams?

As far as the tournament question aspect, I was referring to past history of teams entering them. I think Terps and 91 enter pretty high level tournaments but am not aware of TB touney history.
And finally, I totally agree: there are many very talented players on LI and I hope there always will be.

A completely innocent point of view? OK...No one would have that "data" or "informed opinion".(although some on here speak as they do) Apparently, these boys are all getting better, bigger, stronger & faster..."Any Given Sunday"

As for the tournaments that they have entered, 91 & TB have been in some of the same & some different, Terps have only played fall tournaments.

Asking which team would win or rank the 2017 teams is ridiculous. It has proven to bring out the worst in some adults.

At least we can count on your predictable negativity.

It seems that this recent thread has been pretty open mined and non-inflammatory, however, your pessimism seems to bleed through regardless.

As the previous poster suggested, "lighten up, Francis"

The poll is just opinions. So what?

What a suprise 2 Terps teams. Other teams may not win every game but at least we know where are kids stand and who their teammates are. Keep drinking the Cool-Aid. What is that 4 or 5 or 6 2017 boys express teams? Some things never change

MY "predictable negativity & Pessimism", that is rich!!

Parents entertaining themselves by ranking 13 year old boys lacrosse teams based on their "upbiased" opinions is what? Optimistic? Productive? Come on, it's impossible to do until these teams actually face eachother.

BTW..."Any one of you guys call me Franicis and..."

Thats why an all long island tournament has been suggested. But because this is a business no club teams will commit to it. Nothing to gain and everyhting to loose. Its just the truth.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MY "predictable negativity & Pessimism", that is rich!!

Parents entertaining themselves by ranking 13 year old boys lacrosse teams based on their "upbiased" opinions is what? Optimistic? Productive? Come on, it's impossible to do until these teams actually face eachother.

BTW..."Any one of you guys call me Franicis and..."

That's why it's called "hypothetical". We all know that an all Long Island Championship won't happen. Could you imagine the absolute threat to the self anointed elite teams that would be? I would pay good money to see that tournament, that's for sure!!

So we are left with the arm-chair fantasy lacrosse scenario as a substitute for the real thing.

It does not matter how many games or tournaments a team wins. College coaches could care less . If someone is a stand out player at a recruiting event then they will get noticed and recruited. College coaches don't ask them how many games and tournaments did you win. How many games an 8 th grade club team wins is just not that important.

Any of you 2017 Travel players know whether or not your club is doing the OBLL this spring? Seems like a lot of teams are not doing it.

Strong B team infers that the overall brand is worth protecting. That may or may not be the case, but that is what I experienced over the years. Of course everything is situation specific.

most 8 th grade teams doing kings point league... it's a better run league (schedule wise) and better competition ..
you , will see few teams from new jersey , connecticut and weschester travel teams . also, will hve some maryland teams travel up for 1 weekend .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

most 8 th grade teams doing kings point league... it's a better run league (schedule wise) and better competition ..
you , will see few teams from new jersey , connecticut and weschester travel teams . also, will hve some maryland teams travel up for 1 weekend .

Any contact info or website for this league? Can't find anything online. Thanks

From their websites Team 91 is going to OBLL and fl$ is going to Kings point. Don't know any others.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

most 8 th grade teams doing kings point league... it's a better run league (schedule wise) and better competition ..
you , will see few teams from new jersey , connecticut and weschester travel teams . also, will hve some maryland teams travel up for 1 weekend .

Any contact info or website for this league? Can't find anything online. Thanks

Somebody has to have some info about this league? Contact info anyone?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From their websites Team 91 is going to OBLL and fl$ is going to Kings point. Don't know any others.

Outlaws Black 2017 is doing Kings Point (Merchant Marine Academy) League.

Have any 2017 kids heard yet about being invited to Jake Reed this summer after the 3D Blue Chip camps? I know 3D said invites will be emailed out by March 1st at the latest, just wasn't sure if anyone has received invites yet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have any 2017 kids heard yet about being invited to Jake Reed this summer after the 3D Blue Chip camps? I know 3D said invites will be emailed out by March 1st at the latest, just wasn't sure if anyone has received invites yet.

It's not March 1st yet.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have any 2017 kids heard yet about being invited to Jake Reed this summer after the 3D Blue Chip camps? I know 3D said invites will be emailed out by March 1st at the latest, just wasn't sure if anyone has received invites yet.

It's not March 1st yet.....

Hey wise guy, the email said March 1st AT THE LATEST which is why I asked the question.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From their websites Team 91 is going to OBLL and fl$ is going to Kings point. Don't know any others.

Outlaws Black 2017 is doing Kings Point (Merchant Marine Academy) League.

Guess you cant wait to part with your money so your 8th grader can get "a look" from nobody..!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Guess you cant wait to part with your money so your 8th grader can get "a look" from nobody..!!!

My son verballed to Hopkins yesterday based on his performance at 3D blue chip. Hes the first 8th grader in history to verbal. Petramala is giving him a full ride and guaranteed him a starting position all four years and an assistant coaching job when he graduates. So glad its over and I dont have to wait until March 1st.

Keep your head in the sand.

There are more than 100 sophomores who have verbally committed to Division I Schools. These are just the ones that are confirmed, I'm sure there are more.

Where and when do you think the College Coaches watched these boys play??

Apparently it was not during their Junior Year of �High School Ball�.

The Turtles heard already., everyone else has to wait until March.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Guess you cant wait to part with your money so your 8th grader can get "a look" from nobody..!!!

I would think it is at least a decent measure of where a boy stands with a lot of his peers. Why knock it so much? And the exposure from a higher standard of competition has it's merits, no? Who cares if there aren't any "looks". If a kid from around here makes it, then kudos to him and the coaches who prepped him to get there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Keep your head in the sand.

There are more than 100 sophomores who have verbally committed to Division I Schools. These are just the ones that are confirmed, I'm sure there are more.

Where and when do you think the College Coaches watched these boys play??

Apparently it was not during their Junior Year of �High School Ball�.

Do you have any idea how many kids play high school lax at the sophomore level nationwide? Whose head is in the sand?

stop wasting your time and Money on jake reed if you are 2017... Hopkins and Carolina Already filled their 2017 committed slots

not bad... my 8th grader was promised that, plus Med School... I turned it down cause he recently learned that port authority cops laugh at the post Obama care Doc's take home pay:)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Guess you cant wait to part with your money so your 8th grader can get "a look" from nobody..!!!

My son verballed to Hopkins yesterday based on his performance at 3D blue chip. Hes the first 8th grader in history to verbal. Petramala is giving him a full ride and guaranteed him a starting position all four years and an assistant coaching job when he graduates. So glad its over and I dont have to wait until March 1st.

My guess is that you are just another LI parent whose kid stinks so you need to try to rain on everyone's parade. Have another son, maybe your luck will be better next time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Keep your head in the sand.

There are more than 100 sophomores who have verbally committed to Division I Schools. These are just the ones that are confirmed, I'm sure there are more.

Where and when do you think the College Coaches watched these boys play??

Apparently it was not during their Junior Year of �High School Ball�.

Well another college added D1 Lacrosse. UMASS Lowell will start mens lax for the 2014-15 season. That will bring the number up to 68 D1 programs. People in the know are predicting that number will be up to 100 schools within 5-7 years. Having said that our age group is perfectly positioned to benefit from the explosion of the sport. From what Ive seen our age group here on Long Island is seriously deep with talent and we should see a lot of these kids on D1 teams in the future. Tell your boys to study and train hard because the future looks really bright.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Guess you cant wait to part with your money so your 8th grader can get "a look" from nobody..!!!

My son verballed to Hopkins yesterday based on his performance at 3D blue chip. Hes the first 8th grader in history to verbal. Petramala is giving him a full ride and guaranteed him a starting position all four years and an assistant coaching job when he graduates. So glad its over and I dont have to wait until March 1st.

My guess is that you are just another LI parent whose kid stinks so you need to try to rain on everyone's parade. Have another son, maybe your luck will be better next time.

Wow, really? Let me guess what team your son is on.......and you couldnt be any more wrong....the reality is that NOONE is looking at 8th graders for college right now unless your kid is off the chart special. I can think of maybe 3 or 4 kids that play travel lacrosse here on LI that fit that mold. Its not raining on anyones parade, its reality....If your son verbals to a D1 school within the next two years come back on this board and let us know who he is and where hes going and then I will be the first to congratulate you and your son, but I wouldnt get used to the idea.......

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Guess you cant wait to part with your money so your 8th grader can get "a look" from nobody..!!!

My son verballed to Hopkins yesterday based on his performance at 3D blue chip. Hes the first 8th grader in history to verbal. Petramala is giving him a full ride and guaranteed him a starting position all four years and an assistant coaching job when he graduates. So glad its over and I dont have to wait until March 1st.

My guess is that you are just another LI parent whose kid stinks so you need to try to rain on everyone's parade. Have another son, maybe your luck will be better next time.

Wow, really? Let me guess what team your son is on.......and you couldnt be any more wrong....the reality is that NOONE is looking at 8th graders for college right now unless your kid is off the chart special. I can think of maybe 3 or 4 kids that play travel lacrosse here on LI that fit that mold. Its not raining on anyones parade, its reality....If your son
verbals to a D1 school within the next two years come back on this board and let us know who he is and where hes going and then I will be the first to congratulate you and your son, but I wouldnt get used to the idea.......

Are you so high strung and caught up in 8th grade lacrosse that you couldn't recognize the sarcasm in the post? Really??!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Guess you cant wait to part with your money so your 8th grader can get "a look" from nobody..!!!

My son verballed to Hopkins yesterday based on his performance at 3D blue chip. Hes the first 8th grader in history to verbal. Petramala is giving him a full ride and guaranteed him a starting position all four years and an assistant coaching job when he graduates. So glad its over and I dont have to wait until March 1st.

My guess is that you are just another LI parent whose kid stinks so you need to try to rain on everyone's parade. Have another son, maybe your luck will be better next time.

Wow, really? Let me guess what team your son is on.......and you couldnt be any more wrong....the reality is that NOONE is looking at 8th graders for college right now unless your kid is off the chart special. I can think of maybe 3 or 4 kids that play travel lacrosse here on LI that fit that mold. Its not raining on anyones parade, its reality....If your son verbals to a D1 school within the next two years come back on this board and let us know who he is and where hes going and then I will be the first to congratulate you and your son, but I wouldnt get used to the idea.......

Absolutely never said any college coach is looking at an 8th grader. If a parent wants to spend some money to give their kid the opportunity to go to 3d blue chip or jake reed as a 2017 why all of the hostility? The competition is great which is one aspect of your kid getting better and it is great Dad and son time. That is why I don't get all the negative sentiment about it, it makes no sense and no one is under the illusion it is the be all and end all, particularly for an 8th grader. So if you think it is stupid, can't afford it, whatever, stop degrading those who think it is a great experience for 8th grade boys and work a little harder so you can pay for it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Guess you cant wait to part with your money so your 8th grader can get "a look" from nobody..!!!

My son verballed to Hopkins yesterday based on his performance at 3D blue chip. Hes the first 8th grader in history to verbal. Petramala is giving him a full ride and guaranteed him a starting position all four years and an assistant coaching job when he graduates. So glad its over and I dont have to wait until March 1st.

My guess is that you are just another LI parent whose kid stinks so you need to try to rain on everyone's parade. Have another son, maybe your luck will be better next time.

Wow, really? Let me guess what team your son is on.......and you couldnt be any more wrong....the reality is that NOONE is looking at 8th graders for college right now unless your kid is off the chart special. I can think of maybe 3 or 4 kids that play travel lacrosse here on LI that fit that mold. Its not raining on anyones parade, its reality....If your son verbals to a D1 school within the next two years come back on this board and let us know who he is and where hes going and then I will be the first to congratulate you and your son, but I wouldnt get used to the idea.......

How do you know they aren't the parent of those 3 or 4 YOU deem to fit that mold? Oh, right! those parents would not be the insecure bafoons on this website boasting about their kids lax prowess!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Turtles heard already., everyone else has to wait until March.

Well they are special and they make sure they tell you so !!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Guess you cant wait to part with your money so your 8th grader can get "a look" from nobody..!!!

My son verballed to Hopkins yesterday based on his performance at 3D blue chip. Hes the first 8th grader in history to verbal. Petramala is giving him a full ride and guaranteed him a starting position all four years and an assistant coaching job when he graduates. So glad its over and I dont have to wait until March 1st.

My guess is that you are just another LI parent whose kid stinks so you need to try to rain on everyone's parade. Have another son, maybe your luck will be better next time.

Wow, really? Let me guess what team your son is on.......and you couldnt be any more wrong....the reality is that NOONE is looking at 8th graders for college right now unless your kid is off the chart special. I can think of maybe 3 or 4 kids that play travel lacrosse here on LI that fit that mold. Its not raining on anyones parade, its reality....If your son verbals to a D1 school within the next two years come back on this board and let us know who he is and where hes going and then I will be the first to congratulate you and your son, but I wouldnt get used to the idea.......

Absolutely never said any college coach is looking at an 8th grader. If a parent wants to spend some money to give their kid the opportunity to go to 3d blue chip or jake reed as a 2017 why all of the hostility? The competition is great which is one aspect of your kid getting better and it is great Dad and son time. That is why I don't get all the negative sentiment about it, it makes no sense and no one is under the illusion it is the be all and end all, particularly for an 8th grader. So if you think it is stupid, can't afford it, whatever, stop degrading those who think it is a great experience for 8th grade boys and work a little harder so you can pay for it.

If you actually read the post and understood it I wasnt in any way degrading or showing any hostility towards anyone that went to 3D. I was there with my son and I thought it was a great experience all the way around. Trying to inject some reality into the conversation is all. If my son is picked I will gladly go to Jake Reed and enjoy every minute of it, but im not so caught up in it that I actually believe some college coach is gonna look at my son. No matter what they say there are people on the board who believe that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Guess you cant wait to part with your money so your 8th grader can get "a look" from nobody..!!!

My son verballed to Hopkins yesterday based on his performance at 3D blue chip. Hes the first 8th grader in history to verbal. Petramala is giving him a full ride and guaranteed him a starting position all four years and an assistant coaching job when he graduates. So glad its over and I dont have to wait until March 1st.

My guess is that you are just another LI parent whose kid stinks so you need to try to rain on everyone's parade. Have another son, maybe your luck will be better next time.

Wow, really? Let me guess what team your son is on.......and you couldnt be any more wrong....the reality is that NOONE is looking at 8th graders for college right now unless your kid is off the chart special. I can think of maybe 3 or 4 kids that play travel lacrosse here on LI that fit that mold. Its not raining on anyones parade, its reality....If your son verbals to a D1 school within the next two years come back on this board and let us know who he is and where hes going and then I will be the first to congratulate you and your son, but I wouldnt get used to the idea.......

Absolutely never said any college coach is looking at an 8th grader. If a parent wants to spend some money to give their kid the opportunity to go to 3d blue chip or jake reed as a 2017 why all of the hostility? The competition is great which is one aspect of your kid getting better and it is great Dad and son time. That is why I don't get all the negative sentiment about it, it makes no sense and no one is under the illusion it is the be all and end all, particularly for an 8th grader. So if you think it is stupid, can't afford it, whatever, stop degrading those who think it is a great experience for 8th grade boys and work a little harder so you can pay for it.

If you actually read the post and understood it I wasnt in any way degrading or showing any hostility towards anyone that went to 3D. I was there with my son and I thought it was a great experience all the way around. Trying to inject some reality into the conversation is all. If my son is picked I will gladly go to Jake Reed and enjoy every minute of it, but im not so caught up in it that I actually believe some college coach is gonna look at my son. No matter what they say there are people on the board who believe that.

Thanks for clarifying. I am not one of those parents. However, if a 2017 does go to Jake Reed I do think it is a net benefit for a kid in terms of potentially getting an invite freshmen summer when it matters a lot more.

Team 91 Orange vs Long Island Express 2017 Terps Black showdown at the Shamrock Shootout in March. This should be a great battle!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 Orange vs Long Island Express 2017 Terps Black showdown at the Shamrock Shootout in March. This should be a great battle!

Ok so the schedule is out or are you projecting who will play each other?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 Orange vs Long Island Express 2017 Terps Black showdown at the Shamrock Shootout in March. This should be a great battle!

Turrrrrrtles....come out and playyyyyayyyy!

Don't hide in you shells for this one. What have you got to lose? Might dirty up those shells a 'lil bit.

Come and make it a shootout at the OK corral!! (that is if you can get to the finals through one of the other two teams mentioned.... But wait.... Maybe you will magically be on the other side of the bracket all alone. Haven't seen that happen before)

Terps will kill them.

Terps will kill them they pay so much more for training, they are ready.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 Orange vs Long Island Express 2017 Terps Black showdown at the Shamrock Shootout in March. This should be a great battle!

Ok so the schedule is out or are you projecting who will play each other?

The Shamrock Shootout is still accepting applications. Click on their banner in the Sponsor's Panel at the top of the BOTC display for additional registration information.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps will kill them they pay so much more for training, they are ready.

I dont see a Shamrock schedule and I will say, Im a Terp Black parent Im sure that the person talking junk about 91 and turtles is NOT a Terp Black parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps will kill them they pay so much more for training, they are ready.

I dont see a Shamrock schedule and I will say, Im a Terp Black parent Im sure that the person talking junk about 91 and turtles is NOT a Terp Black parent.

Terp Black? What is that? New team?

Not sure about that in 3D camp in florida, Terp parents were talking it was turtles then them no one else close.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps will kill them they pay so much more for training, they are ready.

I dont see a Shamrock schedule and I will say, Im a Terp Black parent Im sure that the person talking junk about 91 and turtles is NOT a Terp Black parent.

Terp Black? What is that? New team?

Yes. Terp black is the stronger of the two terp teams. Mr. $ split the bloated roster.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps will kill them they pay so much more for training, they are ready.

I dont see a Shamrock schedule and I will say, Im a Terp Black parent Im sure that the person talking junk about 91 and turtles is NOT a Terp Black parent.

Terp Black? What is that? New team?

Yes. Terp black is the stronger of the two terp teams. Mr. $ split the bloated roster.

Wow, Im sure noone saw that one coming........

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps will kill them they pay so much more for training, they are ready.

I dont see a Shamrock schedule and I will say, Im a Terp Black parent Im sure that the person talking junk about 91 and turtles is NOT a Terp Black parent.

Terp Black? What is that? New team?

Yes. Terp black is the stronger of the two terp teams. Mr. $ split the bloated roster.

Wow, Im sure noone saw that one coming........

Except for the 18 kids (& their parents) that paid to be on the "Terps" & are now on the "B" team...Deja vu

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps will kill them they pay so much more for training, they are ready.

I dont see a Shamrock schedule and I will say, Im a Terp Black parent Im sure that the person talking junk about 91 and turtles is NOT a Terp Black parent.

Terp Black? What is that? New team?

Yes. Terp black is the stronger of the two terp teams. Mr. $ split the bloated roster.

Wow, Im sure noone saw that one coming........

Except for the 18 kids (& their parents) that paid to be on the "Terps" & are now on the "B" team...Deja vu

Yeah there always so honest and straight forward over there. Now that they have your money and you agreed to be part of their program and no where else to go because all other teams are full they pull this. Nice! Keep feeding the monster.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps will kill them they pay so much more for training, they are ready.

I dont see a Shamrock schedule and I will say, Im a Terp Black parent Im sure that the person talking junk about 91 and turtles is NOT a Terp Black parent.

Terp Black? What is that? New team?

Yes. Terp black is the stronger of the two terp teams. Mr. $ split the bloated roster.

Wow, Im sure noone saw that one coming........

Except for the 18 kids (& their parents) that paid to be on the "Terps" & are now on the "B" team...Deja vu

pretty sure that happened on many grade levels/years not just '17.

Maybe now some of u people will realize what kind of dishonest, conniving, money hungry person u are dealing with.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe now some of u people will realize what kind of dishonest, conniving, money hungry person u are dealing with.

It's funny because rather than develop players they poach them. Many players they claim as theirs have been developed elsewhere and may have only played for them one year. It looks good on their college placement list. People be warned you may be initially put on the A team in the fall but come spring and you made your payments you might not be on the team you thought you were. Now what all other teams are full. Your stuck putting up with this BS!!

Why would anyone complain about the two teams? The kids on the b team will get to play in games now. Isn't that better than standing and watching? Do you honestly think EVERY player top to bottom on the entire terps team were equal? If you do than you're not being realistic. Not sure what the complaining is about. Why would anyone complain that their kid will get playing time. Unless, of course, they think standing and watching the a players will make them a better player.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would anyone complain about the two teams? The kids on the b team will get to play in games now. Isn't that better than standing and watching? Do you honestly think EVERY player top to bottom on the entire terps team were equal? If you do than you're not being realistic. Not sure what the complaining is about. Why would anyone complain that their kid will get playing time. Unless, of course, they think standing and watching the a players will make them a better player.

Please, they do this every year. Now your kid commits to A team and A team coaching and A team tournaments and now is in B team everything. It's about the coaching, practices, and training and the whole package. You play with and against better players you get better. You thought your coach was one person now it's another. Now it's ok to be duped. Buyer beware!

coaches are the same, it's one team 2 for certain tournaments know the facts

How many kids were on the initial roster? Were there really enough kids on the initial roster to make two completely separate teams? That would be roughly 40 kids. Do the parents get to see the initial roster or roster count before paying? One of the first questions I ask is "how many kids are going to be on the team?" At fourty I'd have to think twice.

so now 20 kids who thought that they were on the "A" team are now on the "B" team and there is nothing they can do about it. It's too late to get on any other team. I'm sure this was calculated by Chanenbucks months ago. It was his way of keeping kids from going to 91, fl$, Outlaws or any other club. Shameful, but is anyone surprised?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would anyone complain about the two teams? The kids on the b team will get to play in games now. Isn't that better than standing and watching? Do you honestly think EVERY player top to bottom on the entire terps team were equal? If you do than you're not being realistic. Not sure what the complaining is about. Why would anyone complain that their kid will get playing time. Unless, of course, they think standing and watching the a players will make them a better player.

Bahahaha!! Let me guess, your kids on the "Black" Terps...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many kids were on the initial roster? Were there really enough kids on the initial roster to make two completely separate teams? That would be roughly 40 kids. Do the parents get to see the initial roster or roster count before paying? One of the first questions I ask is "how many kids are going to be on the team?" At fourty I'd have to think twice.

Nah, he just picks them up as he goes & adds them on (& their $2,400) Then he splits them up & makes the "Superior" team when he deems fit. It happens every year & people keep "Buying" into it, thinking it wont happen to their kid, until it does!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

coaches are the same, it's one team 2 for certain tournaments know the facts

The fact is...thats CRAZY!!! No continuity, no security. They are 13 year old boys whose game level rises with their confidence. Being placed on a team where they belong, to begin with, allows them to become better players. Constantly having new players added & "looking over your shoulder" to see who can take your place is terrible for a kid & causes animosity among the parents. Every year there are kids that get better & some that stay the same, thats why there are tryouts each year. Mid season changes is not fair. Thats the facts. Been there, done that & moved on! Good luck Express parents! Just remember...it can happen to you!

I disagree. No one is looking over anyone's shoulder here. Usually, unless parents are in total denial, it is clear very early on who the better players are on a team, any team. They are the ones playing, not watching. The only way to get better is to play. So all these kids will practice together and split and play appropriate teams. Just because your kid made the A team does not make them an A player on that particular team. And daddy denial won't have to complain about playing time anymore!

Ok say 25 kids per team. Thats 50 kids being coached by 3 people. A 16-1 player to coach ratio. This is according to the person who said its the same coaches. Now they will be doing different tournaments correct because coaching two teams in the same tournament and age group is a logistics nightmare. So theses 3 coaches will be doing 10-15 tournaments on different weekends over the summer. Who is running practices? Oh yeah just pay $50 for the clinics because your coaches are away on the weekend coaching the other Terp team. Lets see how many times you have the same coaches on the sidelines. They lock you in early and give you no options. The response is if you dont like it we will refund your money. Where do you go? You already passed on the other teams and now are stuck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

coaches are the same, it's one team 2 for certain tournaments know the facts

The fact is...thats CRAZY!!! No continuity, no security. They are 13 year old boys whose game level rises with their confidence. Being placed on a team where they belong, to begin with, allows them to become better players. Constantly having new players added & "looking over your shoulder" to see who can take your place is terrible for a kid & causes animosity among the parents. Every year there are kids that get better & some that stay the same, thats why there are tryouts each year. Mid season changes is not fair. Thats the facts. Been there, done that & moved on! Good luck Express parents! Just remember...it can happen to you!

Mid-season? Its February and Express is a summer team regardless of what they do preseason. Teach your kid to earn and maintain his spot. It only get tougher as they get older. Enough with the kumbaya.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

coaches are the same, it's one team 2 for certain tournaments know the facts

The fact is...thats CRAZY!!! No continuity, no security. They are 13 year old boys whose game level rises with their confidence. Being placed on a team where they belong, to begin with, allows them to become better players. Constantly having new players added & "looking over your shoulder" to see who can take your place is terrible for a kid & causes animosity among the parents. Every year there are kids that get better & some that stay the same, thats why there are tryouts each year. Mid season changes is not fair. Thats the facts. Been there, done that & moved on! Good luck Express parents! Just remember...it can happen to you!

Mid-season? Its February and Express is a summer team regardless of what they do preseason. Teach your kid to earn and maintain his spot. It only get tougher as they get older. Enough with the kumbaya.

Yeah mid season. Selections were made in Oct. Teams have had two practices a week and have played in tournamnets. The better teams have already played in 5 outdoor tournaments, played indoor tournaments, and have had indoor practices every week since then. So even though its not summer its already been 4 months since your team has been picked. I call it a switch and bait when your told your on an A team and commit to that team then to be switched to another team. Thats why you have tryouts. Maybe if they had more coaches at the tryouts and didnt take people based on name and reputation but on talent they would not be doing all this changing up of teams. Happens every year.

U can try to rationalize it all u want, but there is no excuse for what he did to those kids and parents that are now on the B team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

U can try to rationalize it all u want, but there is no excuse for what he did to those kids and parents that are now on the B team.

Part of the problem now is thinking that you were paying for one thing (the "A" team package) that was valued at $2,400 and now receiving something "less filling" that doesn't seem to have the same value as what you thought you were buying. So, lower the price for the "B" team and you might eventually find where the price point where parents of the "B" team actually don't feel slighted. But at $2,400, a "B" team package doesn't nearly feel the same value as the "A" team experience. Tiered pricing is the only way to solve this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

U can try to rationalize it all u want, but there is no excuse for what he did to those kids and parents that are now on the B team.

Part of the problem now is thinking that you were paying for one thing (the "A" team package) that was valued at $2,400 and now receiving something "less filling" that doesn't seem to have the same value as what you thought you were buying. So, lower the price for the "B" team and you might eventually find where the price point where parents of the "B" team actually don't feel slighted. But at $2,400, a "B" team package doesn't nearly feel the same value as the "A" team experience. Tiered pricing is the only way to solve this.

Interesting advise on how to run someone elses private business...you work for the gubment by chance? Unless you are a parent that now has a kid enrolled on their "B" or second "A" squad for all the feel gooders out there, I think everyone going in knew the deal. What other team has a built in full two team scrimmage at every practice? Just saying.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

U can try to rationalize it all u want, but there is no excuse for what he did to those kids and parents that are now on the B team.

Part of the problem now is thinking that you were paying for one thing (the "A" team package) that was valued at $2,400 and now receiving something "less filling" that doesn't seem to have the same value as what you thought you were buying. So, lower the price for the "B" team and you might eventually find where the price point where parents of the "B" team actually don't feel slighted. But at $2,400, a "B" team package doesn't nearly feel the same value as the "A" team experience. Tiered pricing is the only way to solve this.

Interesting advise on how to run someone elses private business...you work for the gubment by chance? Unless you are a parent that now has a kid enrolled on their "B" or second "A" squad for all the feel gooders out there, I think everyone going in knew the deal. What other team has a built in full two team scrimmage at every practice? Just saying.

You really love that cool aide. It's now an A B C and so on. Regardless of what you call the teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

U can try to rationalize it all u want, but there is no excuse for what he did to those kids and parents that are now on the B team.

Part of the problem now is thinking that you were paying for one thing (the "A" team package) that was valued at $2,400 and now receiving something "less filling" that doesn't seem to have the same value as what you thought you were buying. So, lower the price for the "B" team and you might eventually find where the price point where parents of the "B" team actually don't feel slighted. But at $2,400, a "B" team package doesn't nearly feel the same value as the "A" team experience. Tiered pricing is the only way to solve this.

Interesting advise on how to run someone elses private business...you work for the gubment by chance? Unless you are a parent that now has a kid enrolled on their "B" or second "A" squad for all the feel gooders out there, I think everyone going in knew the deal. What other team has a built in full two team scrimmage at every practice? Just saying.

You really love that cool aide. It's now an A B C and so on. Regardless of what you call the teams.

Grape is the best...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

U can try to rationalize it all u want, but there is no excuse for what he did to those kids and parents that are now on the B team.

Part of the problem now is thinking that you were paying for one thing (the "A" team package) that was valued at $2,400 and now receiving something "less filling" that doesn't seem to have the same value as what you thought you were buying. So, lower the price for the "B" team and you might eventually find where the price point where parents of the "B" team actually don't feel slighted. But at $2,400, a "B" team package doesn't nearly feel the same value as the "A" team experience. Tiered pricing is the only way to solve this.

Interesting advise on how to run someone elses private business...you work for the gubment by chance? Unless you are a parent that now has a kid enrolled on their "B" or second "A" squad for all the feel gooders out there, I think everyone going in knew the deal. What other team has a built in full two team scrimmage at every practice? Just saying.

You really think everyone going in knew the deal? They all went in thinking their kid was on the EXPRESS TERPS! THE team (under the Turtles) believing their kid was "chosen" & what happened in the past wouldn't happen to their kid...history repeats itself (over & over & over again)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

coaches are the same, it's one team 2 for certain tournaments know the facts

The fact is...thats CRAZY!!! No continuity, no security. They are 13 year old boys whose game level rises with their confidence. Being placed on a team where they belong, to begin with, allows them to become better players. Constantly having new players added & "looking over your shoulder" to see who can take your place is terrible for a kid & causes animosity among the parents. Every year there are kids that get better & some that stay the same, thats why there are tryouts each year. Mid season changes is not fair. Thats the facts. Been there, done that & moved on! Good luck Express parents! Just remember...it can happen to you!

Mid-season? Its February and Express is a summer team regardless of what they do preseason. Teach your kid to earn and maintain his spot. It only get tougher as they get older. Enough with the kumbaya.

Oh stop! The team was chosen in October! The add ons & BS NEVER ends! My kid knows to earn & maintain his spot, that is NOT what it was ever about. It is about hard work, team work, loyalty & commitment BOTH ways. Kumbaya!!!

Results from the February 16th matches as reported at the Long Island Sports Hub.

Daler Nation and Long Island Tomahawks Draw, 10-10

Standings

GP W L T GF GA PTS GD
Long Island Tomahawks 4 3 0 1 44 25 10 19
DalerNation 5 2 1 2 56 38 8 18
North Shore Black Knights 3 1 1 1 16 25 4 -9
North Shore Midshipmen 2 0 1 1 17 18 1 -1
Long Island Storm 2 0 1 1 11 17 1 -6
Rough Riders 2 0 2 0 6 27 0 -21

Originally Posted by Anonymous

U can try to rationalize it all u want, but there is no excuse for what he did to those kids and parents that are now on the B team.

Part of the problem now is thinking that you were paying for one thing (the "A" team package) that was valued at $2,400 and now receiving something "less filling" that doesn't seem to have the same value as what you thought you were buying. So, lower the price for the "B" team and you might eventually find where the price point where parents of the "B" team actually don't feel slighted. But at $2,400, a "B" team package doesn't nearly feel the same value as the "A" team experience. Tiered pricing is the only way to solve this.

Interesting advise on how to run someone elses private business...you work for the gubment by chance? Unless you are a parent that now has a kid enrolled on their "B" or second "A" squad for all the feel gooders out there, I think everyone going in knew the deal. What other team has a built in full two team scrimmage at every practice? Just saying.

You really think everyone going in knew the deal? They all went in thinking their kid was on the EXPRESS TERPS! THE team (under the Turtles) believing their kid was "chosen" & what happened in the past wouldn't happen to their kid...history repeats itself (over & over & over again)

"Under" the turtles? Who is under them? Isn't that the team that people are leaving? Those turtles?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

U can try to rationalize it all u want, but there is no excuse for what he did to those kids and parents that are now on the B team.

Part of the problem now is thinking that you were paying for one thing (the "A" team package) that was valued at $2,400 and now receiving something "less filling" that doesn't seem to have the same value as what you thought you were buying. So, lower the price for the "B" team and you might eventually find where the price point where parents of the "B" team actually don't feel slighted. But at $2,400, a "B" team package doesn't nearly feel the same value as the "A" team experience. Tiered pricing is the only way to solve this.

Interesting advise on how to run someone elses private business...you work for the gubment by chance? Unless you are a parent that now has a kid enrolled on their "B" or second "A" squad for all the feel gooders out there, I think everyone going in knew the deal. What other team has a built in full two team scrimmage at every practice? Just saying.

You really love that cool aide. It's now an A B C and so on. Regardless of what you call the teams.

Grape is the best...

Orange was the best, but now they've added animal flavors to the mix. Turtles, Terps, Piranhas, and Barracudas

Originally Posted by Anonymous

U can try to rationalize it all u want, but there is no excuse for what he did to those kids and parents that are now on the B team.

Part of the problem now is thinking that you were paying for one thing (the "A" team package) that was valued at $2,400 and now receiving something "less filling" that doesn't seem to have the same value as what you thought you were buying. So, lower the price for the "B" team and you might eventually find where the price point where parents of the "B" team actually don't feel slighted. But at $2,400, a "B" team package doesn't nearly feel the same value as the "A" team experience. Tiered pricing is the only way to solve this.

Interesting advise on how to run someone elses private business...you work for the gubment by chance? Unless you are a parent that now has a kid enrolled on their "B" or second "A" squad for all the feel gooders out there, I think everyone going in knew the deal. What other team has a built in full two team scrimmage at every practice? Just saying.

You really love that cool aide. It's now an A B C and so on. Regardless of what you call the teams.

Grape is the best...

Orange was the best, but now they've added animal flavors to the mix. Turtles, Terps, Piranhas, and Barracudas

Get it right man. Central was the best then North then South etc. Switched to colors then to mascots...Grape is still the best plus if you use the unsweetened you can spray your lawn with it to keep the geese off...they hate the stuff.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

U can try to rationalize it all u want, but there is no excuse for what he did to those kids and parents that are now on the B team.

Part of the problem now is thinking that you were paying for one thing (the "A" team package) that was valued at $2,400 and now receiving something "less filling" that doesn't seem to have the same value as what you thought you were buying. So, lower the price for the "B" team and you might eventually find where the price point where parents of the "B" team actually don't feel slighted. But at $2,400, a "B" team package doesn't nearly feel the same value as the "A" team experience. Tiered pricing is the only way to solve this.

Interesting advise on how to run someone elses private business...you work for the gubment by chance? Unless you are a parent that now has a kid enrolled on their "B" or second "A" squad for all the feel gooders out there, I think everyone going in knew the deal. What other team has a built in full two team scrimmage at every practice? Just saying.

You really think everyone going in knew the deal? They all went in thinking their kid was on the EXPRESS TERPS! THE team (under the Turtles) believing their kid was "chosen" & what happened in the past wouldn't happen to their kid...history repeats itself (over & over & over again)

"Under" the turtles? Who is under them? Isn't that the team that people are leaving? Those turtles?

IDK about that. Hate them all you want but, they are goooood!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

U can try to rationalize it all u want, but there is no excuse for what he did to those kids and parents that are now on the B team.

Part of the problem now is thinking that you were paying for one thing (the "A" team package) that was valued at $2,400 and now receiving something "less filling" that doesn't seem to have the same value as what you thought you were buying. So, lower the price for the "B" team and you might eventually find where the price point where parents of the "B" team actually don't feel slighted. But at $2,400, a "B" team package doesn't nearly feel the same value as the "A" team experience. Tiered pricing is the only way to solve this.

Interesting advise on how to run someone elses private business...you work for the gubment by chance? Unless you are a parent that now has a kid enrolled on their "B" or second "A" squad for all the feel gooders out there, I think everyone going in knew the deal. What other team has a built in full two team scrimmage at every practice? Just saying.

You really think everyone going in knew the deal? They all went in thinking their kid was on the EXPRESS TERPS! THE team (under the Turtles) believing their kid was "chosen" & what happened in the past wouldn't happen to their kid...history repeats itself (over & over & over again)

"Under" the turtles? Who is under them? Isn't that the team that people are leaving? Those turtles?

IDK about that. Hate them all you want but, they are goooood!!

I dont hate them at all. They are goooood and there are many other teams that are gooood. The turtles are the best (for now). And your right that 'you don't know about that', I do. So why are players leaving there? Why are their players training with the black terps group? That don't happen at 91.

Jake Reed invites from 3D Blue chip have arrived.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Jake Reed invites from 3D Blue chip have arrived.

For 2017 or other age groups?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Jake Reed invites from 3D Blue chip have arrived.

liar. prove it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Jake Reed invites from 3D Blue chip have arrived.

liar. prove it.

I think he is lying as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Jake Reed invites from 3D Blue chip have arrived.

liar. prove it.

He's right I can verify that the decisions have been made and that the emails are pending.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Jake Reed invites from 3D Blue chip have arrived.

liar. prove it.

He's right I can verify that the decisions have been made and that the emails are pending.

I can verify that none of you have any clue what your talking about

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Jake Reed invites from 3D Blue chip have arrived.

liar. prove it.

I think he is lying as well.

Apologies from you knuckle dragging buffoons will be accepted shortly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Jake Reed invites from 3D Blue chip have arrived.

liar. prove it.

I think he is lying as well.

Apologies from you knuckle dragging buffoons will be accepted shortly.

Do you actually believe any apology will be offered? Please...with these Neanderthals?
Well, at least I know what I know and don't have to divulge any sources to anyone.
It is a small population from the region to say the least.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Jake Reed invites from 3D Blue chip have arrived.

liar. prove it.

He's right I can verify that the decisions have been made and that the emails are pending.

I can verify that none of you have any clue what your talking about

Just because you're not in the loop, doesn't mean others are not.

Do you know if anyone does not make it will they still receive an email stating that they did not. Also when will they send out the notifications

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Jake Reed invites from 3D Blue chip have arrived.

I like how you changed the topic that was on here which was players leaving the turtles. And the jake reed invites haven't gone out, nice try.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Jake Reed invites from 3D Blue chip have arrived.

I like how you changed the topic that was on here which was players leaving the turtles. And the jake reed invites haven't gone out, nice try.

heard that yet another mighty Turtle may be on the way out...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Jake Reed invites from 3D Blue chip have arrived.

I like how you changed the topic that was on here which was players leaving the turtles. And the jake reed invites haven't gone out, nice try.

heard that yet another mighty Turtle may be on the way out...

I heard that also. What was that great Rolling Stones tune, Paint it ???? Hmmm, I can't remember.

Got my invite yesterday 2/21/13
2015 attack

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Got my invite yesterday 2/21/13
2015 attack

Cage- Im not looking to post this its directed to you guys, as a suggestion can you try to find out from the Jake Reed camp or 3D Blue Chip if they really did send out any LI invites yet? Otherwise, people can just lie on here about that also.

Meant to say got my Jake Reed via 3d Blue Chip invite yesterday so invites are coming out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Meant to say got my Jake Reed via 3d Blue Chip invite yesterday so invites are coming out

Not disputing this but was told directly by 3D that no invites have gone out yet for 2017s. Anyone saying otherwise is trying to get a rise out of the board.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cage- Im not looking to post this its directed to you guys, as a suggestion can you try to find out from the Jake Reed camp or 3D Blue Chip if they really did send out any LI invites yet? Otherwise, people can just lie on here about that also.

We confirmed that invitations for the Boys 2017 age group have not been sent.

I'm a 2015. 2016 kid got his too. We're from Northern California. Sorry if we're on the wrong blog.

2016 Invites have gone out as well.

so let's say a 2017 kid makes both the Brine "A" team and the 3d Blue Chip camp from our region...what can be inferred about the player at this point of his development and is this any indicator of his potential going forward?

seems like the 2017's are going out

2017's are out my son just received his

Originally Posted by Anonymous

so let's say a 2017 kid makes both the Brine "A" team and the 3d Blue Chip camp from our region...what can be inferred about the player at this point of his development and is this any indicator of his potential going forward?

Yes I would say that means he will most likely turn out to be a very good player. Congratulations to him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

so let's say a 2017 kid makes both the Brine "A" team and the 3d Blue Chip camp from our region...what can be inferred about the player at this point of his development and is this any indicator of his potential going forward?

Did you really need to post this question? Yes this is a forum for lacrosse, but come on already do you really need an answer.

Answer - he is really good player for his age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017's are out my son just received his

They are out. My son too. Late afternoon.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

so let's say a 2017 kid makes both the Brine "A" team and the 3d Blue Chip camp from our region...what can be inferred about the player at this point of his development and is this any indicator of his potential going forward?

Did you really need to post this question? Yes this is a forum for lacrosse, but come on already do you really need an answer.

Answer - he is really good player for his age.

Posted the question as there have been many comments previously stating that at this age, these small achievements don't really mean much. Was just trying to get a handle on this, that's all.
Congrats to all the kids who made it. Hard work pays off in the end. Great job by all.

6 to 7 terps on team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

6 to 7 terps on team

a few from NJ teams as well

turtles ?

We just received our invite for the 2017 Jake Reed. They are charging $495 for the pleasure of attending. Hopefully there will be some quality players down there to make it worth the expense. I am wondering if they limited it to 120 the way they said. It seems like almost everyone we knew that tried out made it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

6 to 7 terps on team

Theres a shocker..........

Originally Posted by Anonymous

6 to 7 terps on team

Theres a shocker..........

What is that supposed to imply?

How many people are we taking about, are u a terp?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We just received our invite for the 2017 Jake Reed. They are charging $495 for the pleasure of attending. Hopefully there will be some quality players down there to make it worth the expense. I am wondering if they limited it to 120 the way they said. It seems like almost everyone we knew that tried out made it.

Alright tough guy. I know your kid is so great and so is his team so everyone else must be inferior. Do you go to 3d? A lot of good kids, not just from L.I. Not everyone made Jake Reed including several Turtles and Terps. Have fun with your son for a weekend where he can meet some other good kids across the country and see good competition.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We just received our invite for the 2017 Jake Reed. They are charging $495 for the pleasure of attending. Hopefully there will be some quality players down there to make it worth the expense. I am wondering if they limited it to 120 the way they said. It seems like almost everyone we knew that tried out made it.

Alright tough guy. I know your kid is so great and so is his team so everyone else must be inferior. Do you go to 3d? A lot of good kids, not just from L.I. Not everyone made Jake Reed including several Turtles and Terps. Have fun with your son for a weekend where he can meet some other good kids across the country and see good competition.

Ummm, the only way to get to Jake Reed as a 2017 was going to 3D.

If you feel this way why did you go down to Florida spend about 2k to bad mouth the tryout after your son made it. There are boys that did not make it would gladly take your sons place. Be happy with your sons accomplishments

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We just received our invite for the 2017 Jake Reed. They are charging $495 for the pleasure of attending. Hopefully there will be some quality players down there to make it worth the expense. I am wondering if they limited it to 120 the way they said. It seems like almost everyone we knew that tried out made it.

Alright tough guy. I know your kid is so great and so is his team so everyone else must be inferior. Do you go to 3d? A lot of good kids, not just from L.I. Not everyone made Jake Reed including several Turtles and Terps. Have fun with your son for a weekend where he can meet some other good kids across the country and see good competition.

We are from LI, so we know a lot of LI players. fl$ has about 3 players invited, Turtles around 4, Terps 6 but they had well over 12 players in Fla, 3 players from 91 and i heard 2 from Trueblue. Thats all I know. BUT, I am aware of several being decline from above teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We just received our invite for the 2017 Jake Reed. They are charging $495 for the pleasure of attending. Hopefully there will be some quality players down there to make it worth the expense. I am wondering if they limited it to 120 the way they said. It seems like almost everyone we knew that tried out made it.

Alright tough guy. I know your kid is so great and so is his team so everyone else must be inferior. Do you go to 3d? A lot of good kids, not just from L.I. Not everyone made Jake Reed including several Turtles and Terps. Have fun with your son for a weekend where he can meet some other good kids across the country and see good competition.

According to the express website every turtle that went down there made it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We just received our invite for the 2017 Jake Reed. They are charging $495 for the pleasure of attending. Hopefully there will be some quality players down there to make it worth the expense. I am wondering if they limited it to 120 the way they said. It seems like almost everyone we knew that tried out made it.

Alright tough guy. I know your kid is so great and so is his team so everyone else must be inferior. Do you go to 3d? A lot of good kids, not just from L.I. Not everyone made Jake Reed including several Turtles and Terps. Have fun with your son for a weekend where he can meet some other good kids across the country and see good competition.

According to the express website every turtle that went down there made it.

6 turtles and 9 terps (i guess black) invited to nike blue chip. We didn't see it on express website but my son saw it on the tweeting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We just received our invite for the 2017 Jake Reed. They are charging $495 for the pleasure of attending. Hopefully there will be some quality players down there to make it worth the expense. I am wondering if they limited it to 120 the way they said. It seems like almost everyone we knew that tried out made it.

Alright tough guy. I know your kid is so great and so is his team so everyone else must be inferior. Do you go to 3d? A lot of good kids, not just from L.I. Not everyone made Jake Reed including several Turtles and Terps. Have fun with your son for a weekend where he can meet some other good kids across the country and see good competition.

Oh, so angry!

Wow i was at the camp very surprised all Turtle middies make it. One did not play well according to is a hole father. Listening to him was like sitting next to Striker on air plane we all know how that went. also orher dad please stop saying even a broken watch is right twice.

Yes went to 3D, was a good experience. It was definitely a cost to go down there and try out. My son has many friends on all the major teams Turtles Terps 91 fl$ True Blue etc and it seemed like when comparing notes with them a high percentage made it. We are delighted with the opportunity, but it seemed rather odd that an event billed as a national tryout ends up taking a large percentage of kids from this area. When you add the numbers reported on this site and other notes, it seems as if at least 20 players from this area made it that I am aware of ,out of 120 so figuring in the ones I don't know probably 30 total. I am not saying our team or my kid is better or worse than anyone else. I was just surprised as I thought there were a lot of very strong players at the tryouts and didn't think it would be so biased toward our area. There were lots of strong kids from Philly and Maryland at the Mid Atlantic tryout and I figured they would take a lot of spaces(maybe they did for all I know)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We just received our invite for the 2017 Jake Reed. They are charging $495 for the pleasure of attending. Hopefully there will be some quality players down there to make it worth the expense. I am wondering if they limited it to 120 the way they said. It seems like almost everyone we knew that tried out made it.

Alright tough guy. I know your kid is so great and so is his team so everyone else must be inferior. Do you go to 3d? A lot of good kids, not just from L.I. Not everyone made Jake Reed including several Turtles and Terps. Have fun with your son for a weekend where he can meet some other good kids across the country and see good competition.

According to the express website every turtle that went down there made it.

6 turtles and 9 terps (i guess black) invited to nike blue chip. We didn't see it on express website but my son saw it on the tweeting.

nuff said. gotta be true

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow i was at the camp very surprised all Turtle middies make it. One did not play well according to is a hole father. Listening to him was like sitting next to Striker on air plane we all know how that went. also orher dad please stop saying even a broken watch is right twice.

I reccomend removing the mittens before typing text. Also, a good "sober up" may help.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow i was at the camp very surprised all Turtle middies make it. One did not play well according to is a hole father. Listening to him was like sitting next to Striker on air plane we all know how that went. also orher dad please stop saying even a broken watch is right twice.

There were only two turtle middies there. Was it the tall skinny dad or the portly dad?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes went to 3D, was a good experience. It was definitely a cost to go down there and try out. My son has many friends on all the major teams Turtles Terps 91 fl$ True Blue etc and it seemed like when comparing notes with them a high percentage made it. We are delighted with the opportunity, but it seemed rather odd that an event billed as a national tryout ends up taking a large percentage of kids from this area. When you add the numbers reported on this site and other notes, it seems as if at least 20 players from this area made it that I am aware of ,out of 120 so figuring in the ones I don't know probably 30 total. I am not saying our team or my kid is better or worse than anyone else. I was just surprised as I thought there were a lot of very strong players at the tryouts and didn't think it would be so biased toward our area. There were lots of strong kids from Philly and Maryland at the Mid Atlantic tryout and I figured they would take a lot of spaces(maybe they did for all I know)

I agree with your comment completely. I hope they didn't push the number up past the advertised 120 kids selected. There were indeed a lot of good kids from other areas, and your number between what is estimated above from LI teams and the NJ teams I know seems about right. A high percentage from Mid Atlantic but maybe it was the strongest region, hard to tell.

I guess the benefit for this area having so many kids selected for the Jake Reed is that there will likely be a couple of kids who know each other on each team. From past experience that is a usually a positive thing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

6 to 7 terps on team

a few from NJ teams as well

It's a camp, not a team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess the benefit for this area having so many kids selected for the Jake Reed is that there will likely be a couple of kids who know each other on each team. From past experience that is a usually a positive thing.

Totally agree. We have friends that attended two non hotbed area 3D Blue Chip camps. I heard from these people whom are dedicated LI lacrosse parents whom told us that the non traditional area 3D tryouts were flooded with weak players. Main issue was stick skills. Mid Atlantic (PA, LI, MD, NJ) BY FAR the best talent which is no suprise.

The kids are put on teams at the camp. The coaches of each team at the camp are college coaches. It is luck of the draw who you are playing with.

not tall

glad to see a great bunch of kids from long island. a lot of hard work.

seems like the selections were spread around across quite a few teams

Is the camp going to be broken up into teams like 3d?

I think so. Probably 6 teams of 20. 2 go alies and 18 field players. July in Maryland means you need plenty of players.

what 2017 teams in shamrock?

What are the facts (not speculation) about a kid(s) leaving the Turtles for other teams like Terps, etc. How many have officially left? Why?

one kid left.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are the facts (not speculation) about a kid(s) leaving the Turtles for other teams like Terps, etc. How many have officially left? Why?

Much better coaching and not dads. I heard 1 player left and possibly another to go to terps black express team.

Syosset Spartans

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are the facts (not speculation) about a kid(s) leaving the Turtles for other teams like Terps, etc. How many have officially left? Why?

One attack left for fl$. Why? Perhaps a certain coach from CSH with a Napolean complex.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are the facts (not speculation) about a kid(s) leaving the Turtles for other teams like Terps, etc. How many have officially left? Why?

The only person qualified to answer that question is the kid and or the kids parents. Im sure he had his reasons......

Know some of parents on turtles, they never played the game nor know anything about it.
But they all think they are experts, if dads are coaching wouldn't be surprised if more leave

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Know some of parents on turtles, they never played the game nor know anything about it.
But they all think they are experts, if dads are coaching wouldn't be surprised if more leave

1 Kid left for fl$ where his brother played HHHMMM maybe it would be easier on the parents. No must be the start of the end.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Know some of parents on turtles, they never played the game nor know anything about it.
But they all think they are experts, if dads are coaching wouldn't be surprised if more leave

1 Kid left for fl$ where his brother played HHHMMM maybe it would be easier on the parents. No must be the start of the end.

Really? Thats why he left? HHHMMM..........
**Did the former turtle that is now a terp go to the team becuase of his "brother"? No.
**Did the former turtle who is now on 91 go their because of his "brother"? No.
**Did the latest turtle to bolt who is now a terp black leave because of his "brother" also? NO.

Who is the next to jump away from the turtle fun town?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Know some of parents on turtles, they never played the game nor know anything about it.
But they all think they are experts, if dads are coaching wouldn't be surprised if more leave

1 Kid left for fl$ where his brother played HHHMMM maybe it would be easier on the parents. No must be the start of the end.

Really? Thats why he left? HHHMMM..........
**Did the former turtle that is now a terp go to the team becuase of his "brother"? No.
**Did the former turtle who is now on 91 go their because of his "brother"? No.
**Did the latest turtle to bolt who is now a terp black leave because of his "brother" also? NO.

Who is the next to jump away from the turtle fun town?

Maybe they werent invited to stay? some changes are not voluntary.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Know some of parents on turtles, they never played the game nor know anything about it.
But they all think they are experts, if dads are coaching wouldn't be surprised if more leave

1 Kid left for fl$ where his brother played HHHMMM maybe it would be easier on the parents. No must be the start of the end.

Really? Thats why he left? HHHMMM..........
**Did the former turtle that is now a terp go to the team becuase of his "brother"? No.
**Did the former turtle who is now on 91 go their because of his "brother"? No.
**Did the latest turtle to bolt who is now a terp black leave because of his "brother" also? NO.

Who is the next to jump away from the turtle fun town?

Maybe they werent invited to stay? some changes are not voluntary.

maybe. lots of TURNOVER.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Know some of parents on turtles, they never played the game nor know anything about it.
But they all think they are experts, if dads are coaching wouldn't be surprised if more leave

1 Kid left for fl$ where his brother played HHHMMM maybe it would be easier on the parents. No must be the start of the end.

Hmmmm his twin brother did not make the fl$ team this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Know some of parents on turtles, they never played the game nor know anything about it.
But they all think they are experts, if dads are coaching wouldn't be surprised if more leave

1 Kid left for fl$ where his brother played HHHMMM maybe it would be easier on the parents. No must be the start of the end.

Hmmmm his twin brother did not make the fl$ team this year.

See that, no one can predict the future. Proves how kids progress differently and teams do not stay together for the sake of staying together. It was fl$'s call not the parent who makes the team. What a maroon!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Know some of parents on turtles, they never played the game nor know anything about it.
But they all think they are experts, if dads are coaching wouldn't be surprised if more leave

1 Kid left for fl$ where his brother played HHHMMM maybe it would be easier on the parents. No must be the start of the end.

Hmmmm his twin brother did not make the fl$ team this year.

See that, no one can predict the future. Proves how kids progress differently and teams do not stay together for the sake of staying together. It was fl$'s call not the parent who makes the team. What a maroon!

You, adults are talking about a 13/14 year old on an open forum, correct? Amazes me everytime

Thats the way it should be. Parents should not have any influence on who makes a team. If a kid does not perform there should be no freebies because a parent knows a coach in some aspect. Unfortunately it happens in the club world as well a in school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's your definition of "lax daddy"?

We are all lax daddy's.

I heard this term today. Seriously, what's the difference between a "lax daddy" and the father of a lacrosse player?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's your definition of "lax daddy"?

We are all lax daddy's.

I heard this term today. Seriously, what's the difference between a "lax daddy" and the father of a lacrosse player?

Is it a derogatory term or complimentary term? Would I know one if I saw one or ran into one? How would I know?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's your definition of "lax daddy"?

We are all lax daddy's.

I heard this term today. Seriously, what's the difference between a "lax daddy" and the father of a lacrosse player?

The difference between a dad knowing it's their son/daughters playing lacrosse and those that believe it is about them. We all know who they are!

One of the kids who left had physical talent and is a good kid but simply not coachable. We are with him on the new team and only time will tell if he can make the changes necessary to reach his potential. My sense is Turtles is a system and if you don't fit, the system spits you out. Parents need to understand what they are getting into with these club teams. The branding and the reality are different.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One of the kids who left had physical talent and is a good kid but simply not coachable. We are with him on the new team and only time will tell if he can make the changes necessary to reach his potential. My sense is Turtles is a system and if you don't fit, the system spits you out. Parents need to understand what they are getting into with these club teams. The branding and the reality are different.

I really doubt your "with him on the new team". My son is on "the new team" which is called terps black and the young man is MORE than coachable. Maybe when he was on the turtles the coaching was very minimal & weak? Some people dont want their kids around coaches with a bad agenda and the lack of ability to inspire kids.

The kid is a great kid with loads of talent! Great parents who finally saw the light!!!! He will be much better off where he is now just watch and see!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One of the kids who left had physical talent and is a good kid but simply not coachable. We are with him on the new team and only time will tell if he can make the changes necessary to reach his potential. My sense is Turtles is a system and if you don't fit, the system spits you out. Parents need to understand what they are getting into with these club teams. The branding and the reality are different.

Not coachable? Really? Would that explain why he made both Brine A and Jake Reed? No logic there. We met the family at practice and from our observations and speaking with the boy and his parents, the kid wanted to be on a balanced team. He said he was not growing as a player on his old team. The former team was a purely an offensive driven team with little need for defense. Winning upwards of 90% of face offs and and a high percentage scoring off of those possessions leaves little for a talented defender to do other than stand in the outfield. Not much defensive development happening there. The kid made his own decision. That took guts and displayed a mature decision making process on his part. The boy will improve exponentially under his new coaching instead of the Daddy coaches with personal agendas for their own kids. We are glad have him as an addition to our ever improving team.

Just curious, how many 8th graders are moving up to JV or Varsity in their perspective schools? Heard about one "Turtle" wondering about any others?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One of the kids who left had physical talent and is a good kid but simply not coachable. We are with him on the new team and only time will tell if he can make the changes necessary to reach his potential. My sense is Turtles is a system and if you don't fit, the system spits you out. Parents need to understand what they are getting into with these club teams. The branding and the reality are different.

Not coachable? Really? Would that explain why he made both Brine A and Jake Reed? No logic there. We met the family at practice and from our observations and speaking with the boy and his parents, the kid wanted to be on a balanced team. He said he was not growing as a player on his old team. The former team was a purely an offensive driven team with little need for defense. Winning upwards of 90% of face offs and and a high percentage scoring off of those possessions leaves little for a talented defender to do other than stand in the outfield. Not much defensive development happening there. The kid made his own decision. That took guts and displayed a mature decision making process on his part. The boy will improve exponentially under his new coaching instead of the Daddy coaches with personal agendas for their own kids. We are glad have him as an addition to our ever improving team.

This ends the discussion of this individual player as the discussion has become far too specific. Apparently there is substantial talent with this player and both the former and new teams - let's leave the discussion there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps will kill them they pay so much more for training, they are ready.

I dont see a Shamrock schedule and I will say, Im a Terp Black parent Im sure that the person talking junk about 91 and turtles is NOT a Terp Black parent.

Terp Black? What is that? New team?

Alas...a new Kool Aid flavor is born!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curious, how many 8th graders are moving up to JV or Varsity in their perspective schools? Heard about one "Turtle" wondering about any others?

Practice starts today for most JVs and Varsity's. How would the coaches know right now? My guess is that in the better lax programs like St. Ants, Chaminade, West Islip, Smithtown W., GC, Massapequa, Manhasset there will be none because they are already loaded on JV/Varsity and those schools are always notorious for not moving kids up. Weaker schools could be more desperate and give them a try. Lets revisit this in about a month. Maybe if the middle school season is over they will try a couple of kids out on JV if its not over.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curious, how many 8th graders are moving up to JV or Varsity in their perspective schools? Heard about one "Turtle" wondering about any others?

Practice starts today for most JVs and Varsity's. How would the coaches know right now? My guess is that in the better lax programs like St. Ants, Chaminade, West Islip, Smithtown W., GC, Massapequa, Manhasset there will be none because they are already loaded on JV/Varsity and those schools are always notorious for not moving kids up. Weaker schools could be more desperate and give them a try. Lets revisit this in about a month. Maybe if the middle school season is over they will try a couple of kids out on JV if its not over.

I heard about 4 turtles, 5 express black and 3 team 91 all playing up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curious, how many 8th graders are moving up to JV or Varsity in their perspective schools? Heard about one "Turtle" wondering about any others?

Practice starts today for most JVs and Varsity's. How would the coaches know right now? My guess is that in the better lax programs like St. Ants, Chaminade, West Islip, Smithtown W., GC, Massapequa, Manhasset there will be none because they are already loaded on JV/Varsity and those schools are always notorious for not moving kids up. Weaker schools could be more desperate and give them a try. Lets revisit this in about a month. Maybe if the middle school season is over they will try a couple of kids out on JV if its not over.

As it is a process that requires approval of the athletics department and NYS testing 8th graders do not get moved up after the season starts. It is a process that begins in the winter and in place day one spring for the boys.

What are top teams at the 2017 age and reasons why. If they could be put in order that would help. 5-8 teams.

Interesting. Doesn't that disqualify them from playing in U15 tournaments Nd require them to play at J. And Varsity levels this summer???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curious, how many 8th graders are moving up to JV or Varsity in their perspective schools? Heard about one "Turtle" wondering about any others?

Practice starts today for most JVs and Varsity's. How would the coaches know right now? My guess is that in the better lax programs like St. Ants, Chaminade, West Islip, Smithtown W., GC, Massapequa, Manhasset there will be none because they are already loaded on JV/Varsity and those schools are always notorious for not moving kids up. Weaker schools could be more desperate and give them a try. Lets revisit this in about a month. Maybe if the middle school season is over they will try a couple of kids out on JV if its not over.

As it is a process that requires approval of the athletics department and NYS testing 8th graders do not get moved up after the season starts. It is a process that begins in the winter and in place day one spring for the boys.

Yes - but who initiates that? Over zealous parents who don't mind putting their kids in harm's way with bigger, stronger, faster kids?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curious, how many 8th graders are moving up to JV or Varsity in their perspective schools? Heard about one "Turtle" wondering about any others?

Practice starts today for most JVs and Varsity's. How would the coaches know right now? My guess is that in the better lax programs like St. Ants, Chaminade, West Islip, Smithtown W., GC, Massapequa, Manhasset there will be none because they are already loaded on JV/Varsity and those schools are always notorious for not moving kids up. Weaker schools could be more desperate and give them a try. Lets revisit this in about a month. Maybe if the middle school season is over they will try a couple of kids out on JV if its not over.

As it is a process that requires approval of the athletics department and NYS testing 8th graders do not get moved up after the season starts. It is a process that begins in the winter and in place day one spring for the boys.

Yes - but who initiates that? Over zealous parents who don't mind putting their kids in harm's way with bigger, stronger, faster kids?

Not in my experience

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are top teams at the 2017 age and reasons why. If they could be put in order that would help. 5-8 teams.

Ill give it a shot, this is all IMHO:

1. Turtles. Till someone beats em, theyre the best.
2. Terps black. Solid all the way through the roster.
3. 91 Orange. Very well coached and theyve definitely improved.
4. fl$. Super talented. Gonna be a tough out for anyone.
5. Outlaws Black. Always a competetive team.
6. Jesters Black. Up and coming team with talent.
7. Gladiators. Great coaching and hard nosed kids.
8. Terps. Lots of good lax players on this team as well.

Just one mans humble opinion. Suffice it to say that this age group on Long Island is loaded with talent and it should be a great, competetive summer. Good luck to all!

... for what its worth, TB 8th grade team has at least 6 players asked to play up to JV

Originally Posted by Anonymous

... for what its worth, TB 8th grade team has at least 6 players asked to play up to JV

Knew I forgot a team on that list. Have to say True Blue is right there in the mix. They can play with anyone.

funny did any play JV last year as 7th graders

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are top teams at the 2017 age and reasons why. If they could be put in order that would help. 5-8 teams.

Ill give it a shot, this is all IMHO:

1. Turtles. Till someone beats em, theyre the best.
2. Terps black. Solid all the way through the roster.
3. 91 Orange. Very well coached and theyve definitely improved.
4. fl$. Super talented. Gonna be a tough out for anyone.
5. Outlaws Black. Always a competetive team.
6. Jesters Black. Up and coming team with talent.
7. Gladiators. Great coaching and hard nosed kids.
8. Terps. Lots of good lax players on this team as well.

Just one mans humble opinion. Suffice it to say that this age group on Long Island is loaded with talent and it should be a great, competetive summer. Good luck to all!

I agreed with your breakdown for the most part, very fair and complimentary post

I think that a few minor adjustments are needed IMHO, some aren't from LI. I went by what some teams have done this fall and winter including scrimmages.

1 Turtles- agreed #1 till they lose to a 2017
2 Terp black- size, speed, smart, w/top coaching won a bunch in fall and winter
3 Dukes (pa) - excellent group be ready for a good team from philly
4 Trueblue- they are talented and will win a lot but a little undiscplined
5 91- core been together a few years with good coaching
6 Breakers (MD) - big team with great lax IQ
7 fl$- lots of good players coaching is new from hotshots
8 Terps- well coached, talented, practice with terps black
9 Tri State Black- I never saw them but several have said they can play

NO TRUE BLUE?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are top teams at the 2017 age and reasons why. If they could be put in order that would help. 5-8 teams.

Ill give it a shot, this is all IMHO:

1. Turtles. Till someone beats em, theyre the best.
2. Terps black. Solid all the way through the roster.
3. 91 Orange. Very well coached and theyve definitely improved.
4. fl$. Super talented. Gonna be a tough out for anyone.
5. Outlaws Black. Always a competetive team.
6. Jesters Black. Up and coming team with talent.
7. Gladiators. Great coaching and hard nosed kids.
8. Terps. Lots of good lax players on this team as well.

Just one mans humble opinion. Suffice it to say that this age group on Long Island is loaded with talent and it should be a great, competetive summer. Good luck to all!

I agreed with your breakdown for the most part, very fair and complimentary post

I think that a few minor adjustments are needed IMHO, some aren't from LI. I went by what some teams have done this fall and winter including scrimmages.

1 Turtles- agreed #1 till they lose to a 2017
2 Terp black- size, speed, smart, w/top coaching won a bunch in fall and winter
3 Dukes (pa) - excellent group be ready for a good team from philly
4 Trueblue- they are talented and will win a lot but a little undiscplined
5 91- core been together a few years with good coaching
6 Breakers (MD) - big team with great lax IQ
7 fl$- lots of good players coaching is new from hotshots
8 Terps- well coached, talented, practice with terps black
9 Tri State Black- I never saw them but several have said they can play

If including NJ (Tri State Black), you forgot Patriot, BBL and STEPS who would all beat Tri State Black most likely.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

... for what its worth, TB 8th grade team has at least 6 players asked to play up to JV

Maybe, but only the weaker school programs. None of the really competitive JV or Varsity's such as St. Ants, Chaminade, GC, Manhasset etc I'm sure.

Putting the Terps in front of 91 Orange, I dont know about that.

Please talk from a position of knowlege......how can a middle school player play for St Anthonys or Chaminade.....GEEZ....you should have some idea what your talking about before stating such stupidity !!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

... for what its worth, TB 8th grade team has at least 6 players asked to play up to JV

Maybe, but only the weaker school programs. None of the really competitive JV or Varsity's such as St. Ants, Chaminade, GC, Manhasset etc I'm sure.

Clearly a difference between "informed opinion" and "opinion".

Despite depth, public programs you mention do have a history of moving up some younger players on occasion. Even the privates have. Obviously other programs may do it on a more regulare basis.

I don't know if "weaker" should be used for programs with a solid record.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

... for what its worth, TB 8th grade team has at least 6 players asked to play up to JV

Maybe, but only the weaker school programs. None of the really competitive JV or Varsity's such as St. Ants, Chaminade, GC, Manhasset etc I'm sure.

Are you saying that kids from the WEAKER HS programs get called up to JV or Varsity than that means it isn't an impressive accomplishment?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are top teams at the 2017 age and reasons why. If they could be put in order that would help. 5-8 teams.

Ill give it a shot, this is all IMHO:

1. Turtles. Till someone beats em, theyre the best.
2. Terps black. Solid all the way through the roster.
3. 91 Orange. Very well coached and theyve definitely improved.
4. fl$. Super talented. Gonna be a tough out for anyone.
5. Outlaws Black. Always a competetive team.
6. Jesters Black. Up and coming team with talent.
7. Gladiators. Great coaching and hard nosed kids.
8. Terps. Lots of good lax players on this team as well.

Just one mans humble opinion. Suffice it to say that this age group on Long Island is loaded with talent and it should be a great, competetive summer. Good luck to all!

I agreed with your breakdown for the most part, very fair and complimentary post

I think that a few minor adjustments are needed IMHO, some aren't from LI. I went by what some teams have done this fall and winter including scrimmages.

1 Turtles- agreed #1 till they lose to a 2017
2 Terp black- size, speed, smart, w/top coaching won a bunch in fall and winter
3 Dukes (pa) - excellent group be ready for a good team from philly
4 Trueblue- they are talented and will win a lot but a little undiscplined
5 91- core been together a few years with good coaching
6 Breakers (MD) - big team with great lax IQ
7 fl$- lots of good players coaching is new from hotshots
8 Terps- well coached, talented, practice with terps black
9 Tri State Black- I never saw them but several have said they can play

Come on, "Terp Dad"! This is ridiculous. These kids have only played fall ball & you are putting them in order based on "IMHO". Nothing honest here, just your "biased" opinion. Did someone ask what a "lax dadday" was...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are top teams at the 2017 age and reasons why. If they could be put in order that would help. 5-8 teams.

Ill give it a shot, this is all IMHO:

1. Turtles. Till someone beats em, theyre the best.
2. Terps black. Solid all the way through the roster.
3. 91 Orange. Very well coached and theyve definitely improved.
4. fl$. Super talented. Gonna be a tough out for anyone.
5. Outlaws Black. Always a competetive team.
6. Jesters Black. Up and coming team with talent.
7. Gladiators. Great coaching and hard nosed kids.
8. Terps. Lots of good lax players on this team as well.

Just one mans humble opinion. Suffice it to say that this age group on Long Island is loaded with talent and it should be a great, competetive summer. Good luck to all!

I agreed with your breakdown for the most part, very fair and complimentary post

I think that a few minor adjustments are needed IMHO, some aren't from LI. I went by what some teams have done this fall and winter including scrimmages.

1 Turtles- agreed #1 till they lose to a 2017
2 Terp black- size, speed, smart, w/top coaching won a bunch in fall and winter
3 Dukes (pa) - excellent group be ready for a good team from philly
4 Trueblue- they are talented and will win a lot but a little undiscplined
5 91- core been together a few years with good coaching
6 Breakers (MD) - big team with great lax IQ
7 fl$- lots of good players coaching is new from hotshots
8 Terps- well coached, talented, practice with terps black
9 Tri State Black- I never saw them but several have said they can play

If including NJ (Tri State Black), you forgot Patriot, BBL and STEPS who would all beat Tri State Black most likely.

BBL and Steps have no business whatsoever on that list, which is the reason they aren't mentioned. Tri State black and Patriots are the stronger of the NJ clubs imo.

...be careful not to discount the 8th grader who has been asked to play JV too much...
by naming 4 schools (including chaminade and anthony's that dont have a middle school)...

unless the 8th grader is playing for East hampton High, i'm pretty sure the player is good and will only get better from the competition and significantly more lax...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curious, how many 8th graders are moving up to JV or Varsity in their perspective schools? Heard about one "Turtle" wondering about any others?

Practice starts today for most JVs and Varsity's. How would the coaches know right now? My guess is that in the better lax programs like St. Ants, Chaminade, West Islip, Smithtown W., GC, Massapequa, Manhasset there will be none because they are already loaded on JV/Varsity and those schools are always notorious for not moving kids up. Weaker schools could be more desperate and give them a try. Lets revisit this in about a month. Maybe if the middle school season is over they will try a couple of kids out on JV if its not over.

As it is a process that requires approval of the athletics department and NYS testing 8th graders do not get moved up after the season starts. It is a process that begins in the winter and in place day one spring for the boys.

Yes - but who initiates that? Over zealous parents who don't mind putting their kids in harm's way with bigger, stronger, faster kids?

Or - JV/V coaches that see a kid in 7/8 grader that is more talented, bigger, stronger, and/or faster than some JV/V kids. It happens. Not every kid that has or will play up has crazy parents.

Here ae some facts. There are certain tests that need to be taken this is I believe State standard but could vary based on athletic director

45 sec palm out hang from pull up top position
1.5 mile run in under 12 min
7.2 foot broad jump
Shuttle run I forgot the number

There is also a puberty test tanner chart I believe

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are top teams at the 2017 age and reasons why. If they could be put in order that would help. 5-8 teams.

Ill give it a shot, this is all IMHO:

1. Turtles. Till someone beats em, theyre the best.
2. Terps black. Solid all the way through the roster.
3. 91 Orange. Very well coached and theyve definitely improved.
4. fl$. Super talented. Gonna be a tough out for anyone.
5. Outlaws Black. Always a competetive team.
6. Jesters Black. Up and coming team with talent.
7. Gladiators. Great coaching and hard nosed kids.
8. Terps. Lots of good lax players on this team as well.

Just one mans humble opinion. Suffice it to say that this age group on Long Island is loaded with talent and it should be a great, competetive summer. Good luck to all!

I agreed with your breakdown for the most part, very fair and complimentary post

I think that a few minor adjustments are needed IMHO, some aren't from LI. I went by what some teams have done this fall and winter including scrimmages.

1 Turtles- agreed #1 till they lose to a 2017
2 Terp black- size, speed, smart, w/top coaching won a bunch in fall and winter
3 Dukes (pa) - excellent group be ready for a good team from philly
4 Trueblue- they are talented and will win a lot but a little undiscplined
5 91- core been together a few years with good coaching
6 Breakers (MD) - big team with great lax IQ
7 fl$- lots of good players coaching is new from hotshots
8 Terps- well coached, talented, practice with terps black
9 Tri State Black- I never saw them but several have said they can play

How can this be an honest opinion? Has anyone seen EVERY ONE of these teams play recently? There has been so much movement in this age group that it is impossible to give an "honest opinion". You put on Tri State Black saying you never saw them but "heard they can play". You put True Blue above teams they have lost to. Terps Black may not even be the same team by June yet, they are the top, above all other teams (other than the Turtles). 91s "core has been together, with good coaching", yet 80% are new players in the past 2 seasons. These boys are getting better, faster, stronger & some are staying where they were. There will be no honesty or accuracy to these rankings @ this point. It is just "one mans opinion", which really means nothing as long as his child is involved

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curious, how many 8th graders are moving up to JV or Varsity in their perspective schools? Heard about one "Turtle" wondering about any others?

Practice starts today for most JVs and Varsity's. How would the coaches know right now? My guess is that in the better lax programs like St. Ants, Chaminade, West Islip, Smithtown W., GC, Massapequa, Manhasset there will be none because they are already loaded on JV/Varsity and those schools are always notorious for not moving kids up. Weaker schools could be more desperate and give them a try. Lets revisit this in about a month. Maybe if the middle school season is over they will try a couple of kids out on JV if its not over.

As it is a process that requires approval of the athletics department and NYS testing 8th graders do not get moved up after the season starts. It is a process that begins in the winter and in place day one spring for the boys.

Yes - but who initiates that? Over zealous parents who don't mind putting their kids in harm's way with bigger, stronger, faster kids?

Or - JV/V coaches that see a kid in 7/8 grader that is more talented, bigger, stronger, and/or faster than some JV/V kids. It happens. Not every kid that has or will play up has crazy parents.

Back in the day, any kid who might be moved up instantly had a bullseye on him just to have a message sent by the upperclassmen that it wasn't going to be so easy to take somebody's job - both in practice and in games. I don't think things have changed that much in that regard. Its still a collision sport.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are top teams at the 2017 age and reasons why. If they could be put in order that would help. 5-8 teams.

Ill give it a shot, this is all IMHO:

1. Turtles. Till someone beats em, theyre the best.
2. Terps black. Solid all the way through the roster.
3. 91 Orange. Very well coached and theyve definitely improved.
4. fl$. Super talented. Gonna be a tough out for anyone.
5. Outlaws Black. Always a competetive team.
6. Jesters Black. Up and coming team with talent.
7. Gladiators. Great coaching and hard nosed kids.
8. Terps. Lots of good lax players on this team as well.

Just one mans humble opinion. Suffice it to say that this age group on Long Island is loaded with talent and it should be a great, competetive summer. Good luck to all!

I agreed with your breakdown for the most part, very fair and complimentary post

I think that a few minor adjustments are needed IMHO, some aren't from LI. I went by what some teams have done this fall and winter including scrimmages.

1 Turtles- agreed #1 till they lose to a 2017
2 Terp black- size, speed, smart, w/top coaching won a bunch in fall and winter
3 Dukes (pa) - excellent group be ready for a good team from philly
4 Trueblue- they are talented and will win a lot but a little undiscplined
5 91- core been together a few years with good coaching
6 Breakers (MD) - big team with great lax IQ
7 fl$- lots of good players coaching is new from hotshots
8 Terps- well coached, talented, practice with terps black
9 Tri State Black- I never saw them but several have said they can play

How can this be an honest opinion? Has anyone seen EVERY ONE of these teams play recently? There has been so much movement in this age group that it is impossible to give an "honest opinion". You put on Tri State Black saying you never saw them but "heard they can play". You put True Blue above teams they have lost to. Terps Black may not even be the same team by June yet, they are the top, above all other teams (other than the Turtles). 91s "core has been together, with good coaching", yet 80% are new players in the past 2 seasons. These boys are getting better, faster, stronger & some are staying where they were. There will be no honesty or accuracy to these rankings @ this point. It is just "one mans opinion", which really means nothing as long as his child is involved

Here, here. Totally agree. A lot of experts here opining on teams they haven't seen play recently as full teams/with all of their kids. Let it all play out this summer on the field, rather than here with a few Dads living vicariously through their sons. And to the so-called NJ 2017 club expert above, you really have no idea what you are talking about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here ae some facts. There are certain tests that need to be taken this is I believe State standard but could vary based on athletic director

45 sec palm out hang from pull up top position
1.5 mile run in under 12 min
7.2 foot broad jump
Shuttle run I forgot the number

There is also a puberty test tanner chart I believe

Google search NYS Athletic Maturation test. there is a lot that goes into the process & the physical test is no joke. Each sport has specific standards (boys & girls). There are AD, Coach, Doctor & parent application/permission forms. ALL involved must be on the same page. It is not about a pushy parent not caring about the safety of their child. If an athlete is as good AND has the physical maturation of older athletes it is to his/her benefit to play on the older team. Some school districts do not allow it, others do. Some school districts have stronger teams & the younger athlete does not match up, some kids are just that good that they can match up. Every school district/athlete situation is different.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curious, how many 8th graders are moving up to JV or Varsity in their perspective schools? Heard about one "Turtle" wondering about any others?

Practice starts today for most JVs and Varsity's. How would the coaches know right now? My guess is that in the better lax programs like St. Ants, Chaminade, West Islip, Smithtown W., GC, Massapequa, Manhasset there will be none because they are already loaded on JV/Varsity and those schools are always notorious for not moving kids up. Weaker schools could be more desperate and give them a try. Lets revisit this in about a month. Maybe if the middle school season is over they will try a couple of kids out on JV if its not over.

As it is a process that requires approval of the athletics department and NYS testing 8th graders do not get moved up after the season starts. It is a process that begins in the winter and in place day one spring for the boys.

Yes - but who initiates that? Over zealous parents who don't mind putting their kids in harm's way with bigger, stronger, faster kids?

Or - JV/V coaches that see a kid in 7/8 grader that is more talented, bigger, stronger, and/or faster than some JV/V kids. It happens. Not every kid that has or will play up has crazy parents.

Back in the day, any kid who might be moved up instantly had a bullseye on him just to have a message sent by the upperclassmen that it wasn't going to be so easy to take somebody's job - both in practice and in games. I don't think things have changed that much in that regard. Its still a collision sport.

No one said it would be easy for these kids. Its tough playing with the "big boys"! If they are that good the other athletes on the field know he/she belongs there. It is usually the other parents that have the problem with it.

Wont ever happen in Garden City or Manhasset no matter what. Just a fact. Different philosophy that other smaller towns. Big difference in Maturiy between a 13/14 year old and an 18 yr old. Do not be so eager for them to grow up too fast. Be careful for what you wish for. If they get hurt you will never forgive yourself.

You are an idiot !!!! Let me get this straight...an older player is going to "send a message" to a kid from the same town who may be friends with some of the older players and their families. Back in the day you probably had your school lunch money taken from you !!!! Many town players older and younger play and train together....thats reality..

You guys are priceless. This is meaningless. It's all about the talent of the player. College coaches only care about what they see at a select camp from a kid and what the kids coaches say. They do not care about the record of the club team in 8 th grade. If a kid is good enough to be on their radar then they go by what they see. Records are completely meaningless!!! They are not putting money on what teams win and have the best records. They are looking for the best players. Which doesnt necessarily correlate with the best team records.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are an idiot !!!! Let me get this straight...an older player is going to "send a message" to a kid from the same town who may be friends with some of the older players and their families. Back in the day you probably had your school lunch money taken from you !!!! Many town players older and younger play and train together....thats reality..

Stop with the kum-by-ah everybody is friends with everybody. If an older player feels competition from a younger player - why wouldn't the older player not try to use his more developed physical attributes to maintain his edge. What do you think, the upperclassmen are just going to lie down and let these youngsters take their game time without a fight? Please. Yes - the reality is that physical intimidation is still part of the game and these practices and games get unbelievably rough - these boys are incredibly competitive creatures. Once you cross the white lines and are fighting for a position, there are no friendships in practice. Off the field they can say they were sorry. Keep your head in the sand and pretend it isn't so.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You guys are priceless. This is meaningless. It's all about the talent of the player. College coaches only care about what they see at a select camp from a kid and what the kids coaches say. They do not care about the record of the club team in 8 th grade. If a kid is good enough to be on their radar then they go by what they see. Records are completely meaningless!!! They are not putting money on what teams win and have the best records. They are looking for the best players. Which doesnt necessarily correlate with the best team records.

Thank God for some wisdom and commen sense. Agree completely with this. Just waiting for another 2017 club team ranking before the season even starts from some know-it-all Dad who knows best. Who cares! Let the kids develop. College coaches find the best kids and they truly don't care what the record of an 8th grade club team is as mentioned above.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wont ever happen in Garden City or Manhasset no matter what. Just a fact. Different philosophy that other smaller towns. Big difference in Maturiy between a 13/14 year old and an 18 yr old. Do not be so eager for them to grow up too fast. Be careful for what you wish for. If they get hurt you will never forgive yourself.

It has NEVER happened in Garden City or Manhasset EVER? Look back over the years, I believe you are wrong. Have you ever seen a 14 year old that looks like he/she is 18? Ever see an 18 year old who looks like they are 14? For the most part there is a difference in maturity between a 14 & 18 year old but, there are always exceptions. Some kids mature much faster than others. As it has been explained here (in a few posts) there are tests, applications, forms, a long process in which these kids are considered to play up. I dont think many parents, coaches, AD's or players take this lightly. Thanks for your "concern" though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wont ever happen in Garden City or Manhasset no matter what. Just a fact. Different philosophy that other smaller towns. Big difference in Maturiy between a 13/14 year old and an 18 yr old. Do not be so eager for them to grow up too fast. Be careful for what you wish for. If they get hurt you will never forgive yourself.

Fact- it has happened

Also realize it is not always middle school age to varsity, sometimes middle school age to JV. Many kids age 13/14 can handle a small hop to 15/16. Agree on varsity however, physical gap gets more significant.

every town has that try hard bully in the locker room that will resent the upcoming more talented younger player... that why its important that the 8th grade player has some size...
but if the 8th grader is big and good- playing up benefits all parties involved - including the below average middle school player that has to play against

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wont ever happen in Garden City or Manhasset no matter what. Just a fact. Different philosophy that other smaller towns. Big difference in Maturiy between a 13/14 year old and an 18 yr old. Do not be so eager for them to grow up too fast. Be careful for what you wish for. If they get hurt you will never forgive yourself.

Fact- it has happened

Also realize it is not always middle school age to varsity, sometimes middle school age to JV. Many kids age 13/14 can handle a small hop to 15/16. Agree on varsity however, physical gap gets more significant.

If you saw the gc and manhasset jv you would know that it is no place for experimenting and they don't need any help from below. Most of those JV starters would start varsity elsewhere. Patience is a virtue. Thanks anyway.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are an idiot !!!! Let me get this straight...an older player is going to "send a message" to a kid from the same town who may be friends with some of the older players and their families. Back in the day you probably had your school lunch money taken from you !!!! Many town players older and younger play and train together....thats reality..

Wow,wow,wow ! How about the younger kids getting bullied and not getting the same scrimmage time during practice unless the coaches get involved. For instance during winter indoor ball what is the chance an 8th grade kid would play man up over a 10th grader in a JV game. The older may even threaten the little guy so what makes you think the older guys will not gang up on a younger guy. Watch the news lately where a couple of geeky track guys hazed a frosh at The Bronx School of Science , so imagine what it is like in a contact sport where these 8th graders are experiencing a one handed check and man ball for the first time. You must have ran track or played tennis in high school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wont ever happen in Garden City or Manhasset no matter what. Just a fact. Different philosophy that other smaller towns. Big difference in Maturiy between a 13/14 year old and an 18 yr old. Do not be so eager for them to grow up too fast. Be careful for what you wish for. If they get hurt you will never forgive yourself.

Fact- it has happened

Also realize it is not always middle school age to varsity, sometimes middle school age to JV. Many kids age 13/14 can handle a small hop to 15/16. Agree on varsity however, physical gap gets more significant.

If it was such a good idea to move 8th graders (2017) up to JV (mostly 2015 starters) or Varsity (2014/13s) then why don't the 2017 club team parents (including the mighty turds) demand that their club program directors have their little darlings consistently play up against 2015 or 2014 teams in the summer? Answer.... Its a health risk and a lawsuit waiting to happen. Ask Joe D or Mike C why they doesn't have their 2017s play that far up..come back with the answer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wont ever happen in Garden City or Manhasset no matter what. Just a fact. Different philosophy that other smaller towns. Big difference in Maturiy between a 13/14 year old and an 18 yr old. Do not be so eager for them to grow up too fast. Be careful for what you wish for. If they get hurt you will never forgive yourself.

Fact- it has happened

Also realize it is not always middle school age to varsity, sometimes middle school age to JV. Many kids age 13/14 can handle a small hop to 15/16. Agree on varsity however, physical gap gets more significant.

If you saw the gc and manhasset jv you would know that it is no place for experimenting and they don't need any help from below. Most of those JV starters would start varsity elsewhere. Patience is a virtue. Thanks anyway.

Please do some research. GC has in fact brought up younger players (even 8th grade to varsity) . Go back to 1999/2000 and more recent, not many, however some very good accomplished individuals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wont ever happen in Garden City or Manhasset no matter what. Just a fact. Different philosophy that other smaller towns. Big difference in Maturiy between a 13/14 year old and an 18 yr old. Do not be so eager for them to grow up too fast. Be careful for what you wish for. If they get hurt you will never forgive yourself.

Fact- it has happened

Also realize it is not always middle school age to varsity, sometimes middle school age to JV. Many kids age 13/14 can handle a small hop to 15/16. Agree on varsity however, physical gap gets more significant.

If it was such a good idea to move 8th graders (2017) up to JV (mostly 2015 starters) or Varsity (2014/13s) then why don't the 2017 club team parents (including the mighty turds) demand that their club program directors have their little darlings consistently play up against 2015 or 2014 teams in the summer? Answer.... Its a health risk and a lawsuit waiting to happen. Ask Joe D or Mike C why they doesn't have their 2017s play that far up..come back with the answer.

Worst example ever. Comparing a WHOLE travel team to playing UP in elite club games/tournaments where most of the roster is highly talented players. As opposed to most JV and Varsity programs where a good chunk of the roster are weaker players that aren't mega stars (including the Garden City and Manhasset's of the world). And as far as asking Joe D or Mike C about their 2017 teams playing UP, well there is no need to ask because they DO. And they both WIN while doing it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wont ever happen in Garden City or Manhasset no matter what. Just a fact. Different philosophy that other smaller towns. Big difference in Maturiy between a 13/14 year old and an 18 yr old. Do not be so eager for them to grow up too fast. Be careful for what you wish for. If they get hurt you will never forgive yourself.

Fact- it has happened

Also realize it is not always middle school age to varsity, sometimes middle school age to JV. Many kids age 13/14 can handle a small hop to 15/16. Agree on varsity however, physical gap gets more significant.

If you saw the gc and manhasset jv you would know that it is no place for experimenting and they don't need any help from below. Most of those JV starters would start varsity elsewhere. Patience is a virtue. Thanks anyway.

HAHAHA. remind us all where Manhasset is ranked these days? Sounds like you need all the help you can get.

Does anyone know how many teams the Long Island Express have in the 2017 age group this summer? Last summer they had 4. Not including the turtles.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wont ever happen in Garden City or Manhasset no matter what. Just a fact. Different philosophy that other smaller towns. Big difference in Maturiy between a 13/14 year old and an 18 yr old. Do not be so eager for them to grow up too fast. Be careful for what you wish for. If they get hurt you will never forgive yourself.

Fact- it has happened

Also realize it is not always middle school age to varsity, sometimes middle school age to JV. Many kids age 13/14 can handle a small hop to 15/16. Agree on varsity however, physical gap gets more significant.

If it was such a good idea to move 8th graders (2017) up to JV (mostly 2015 starters) or Varsity (2014/13s) then why don't the 2017 club team parents (including the mighty turds) demand that their club program directors have their little darlings consistently play up against 2015 or 2014 teams in the summer? Answer.... Its a health risk and a lawsuit waiting to happen. Ask Joe D or Mike C why they doesn't have their 2017s play that far up..come back with the answer.

Worst example ever. Comparing a WHOLE travel team to playing UP in elite club games/tournaments where most of the roster is highly talented players. As opposed to most JV and Varsity programs where a good chunk of the roster are weaker players that aren't mega stars (including the Garden City and Manhasset's of the world). And as far as asking Joe D or Mike C about their 2017 teams playing UP, well there is no need to ask because they DO. And they both WIN while doing it.

The only reason they do ok playing up is that most of the kids should be in the grade above anyway. That said, it's one thing for mike c and joe d to play up one grade in the summer which in their case may be the same age but its another to have these little prodigies playing up against 2 or 3 year older kids. The physics don't work Einstein.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wont ever happen in Garden City or Manhasset no matter what. Just a fact. Different philosophy that other smaller towns. Big difference in Maturiy between a 13/14 year old and an 18 yr old. Do not be so eager for them to grow up too fast. Be careful for what you wish for. If they get hurt you will never forgive yourself.

Fact- it has happened

Also realize it is not always middle school age to varsity, sometimes middle school age to JV. Many kids age 13/14 can handle a small hop to 15/16. Agree on varsity however, physical gap gets more significant.

If you saw the gc and manhasset jv you would know that it is no place for experimenting and they don't need any help from below. Most of those JV starters would start varsity elsewhere. Patience is a virtue. Thanks anyway.

HAHAHA. remind us all where Manhasset is ranked these days? Sounds like you need all the help you can get.

Your a tool for believing some mythical high school rankings have any close representation to what will happen on the field. If "they" can't get the colleges right what makes you think the HS rankings mean anything. Remember Loyola was not "ranked" heading into last year. I'd like to sell you some things based on what I think they are worth. Call me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are an idiot !!!! Let me get this straight...an older player is going to "send a message" to a kid from the same town who may be friends with some of the older players and their families. Back in the day you probably had your school lunch money taken from you !!!! Many town players older and younger play and train together....thats reality..

Wow,wow,wow ! How about the younger kids getting bullied and not getting the same scrimmage time during practice unless the coaches get involved. For instance during winter indoor ball what is the chance an 8th grade kid would play man up over a 10th grader in a JV game. The older may even threaten the little guy so what makes you think the older guys will not gang up on a younger guy. Watch the news lately where a couple of geeky track guys hazed a frosh at The Bronx School of Science , so imagine what it is like in a contact sport where these 8th graders are experiencing a one handed check and man ball for the first time. You must have ran track or played tennis in high school.

Why do you say the "little guy"? Some of the 8th grade kids being brought up are 6' tall. These athletes that are being brought up are being brought up because it was well thought out on all sides. BTW, what 8th grader, these days, has not experienced a one handed check or man ball? Each year the talent, training, coaching & desire gets more intense. The time on a lacrosse field against athletes just like them increases. IDK where you live but, the kids in my town respect eachother as athletes. Are there some kids that will feel threatened? Of course but, put it out on the field. The older players on my sons team took them under their wing (some of them were brought up younger also) BTW having a few younger kids being brought up, put a "fire" under their butts to play better! Kumbaya!!

The turtles play 1 year up not 4. And the older teams they play are not turtle caliber. The older teams they choose to play are good or very good not great. So that is not a good argument. If you have to [lacrosse] back to 1999 or 2000 for an example then you lost the argument. Anyone will tell you it is a completely different game now. The starters for places like GC and Manhasset are college bound players. They are equivalent to good travel teams. They are not going to put 13 yr olds with 18 yr olds. It has not happened in the recent past, now or in the near future. As good as some of them might be ....it won't happen. Just go watch these JV teams play. Forget about Varsity.You will then understand. Remember for smaller districts it might be necessary.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are an idiot !!!! Let me get this straight...an older player is going to "send a message" to a kid from the same town who may be friends with some of the older players and their families. Back in the day you probably had your school lunch money taken from you !!!! Many town players older and younger play and train together....thats reality..

Wow,wow,wow ! How about the younger kids getting bullied and not getting the same scrimmage time during practice unless the coaches get involved. For instance during winter indoor ball what is the chance an 8th grade kid would play man up over a 10th grader in a JV game. The older may even threaten the little guy so what makes you think the older guys will not gang up on a younger guy. Watch the news lately where a couple of geeky track guys hazed a frosh at The Bronx School of Science , so imagine what it is like in a contact sport where these 8th graders are experiencing a one handed check and man ball for the first time. You must have ran track or played tennis in high school.

You have to be kidding.You would prevent your kid from playing at an appropriate skill level because of fear of bullies.Believe me if the kids being moved up belong there bullying will not be a problem, the kids want to win and if someone will help their team win the kid will be accepted. You may run into issues when a kid is moved up who obviously does not belong such as a kid who has a connected parent which happens on occasion.

I went to the NE 3d cuz we coudn't do the LI one. I thought most of the talent was pretty bad, except 1-2 teams. Munroes son got to play with good poles, and great FO kid, and a couple boarding school teammates which show's they hand picked that team. I found it real odd they all made the team and most of them had this strange tweeting relationship with a grown man and 2017 national evaluator. That's just weird, guy needs to get a life.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wont ever happen in Garden City or Manhasset no matter what. Just a fact. Different philosophy that other smaller towns. Big difference in Maturiy between a 13/14 year old and an 18 yr old. Do not be so eager for them to grow up too fast. Be careful for what you wish for. If they get hurt you will never forgive yourself.

Fact- it has happened

Also realize it is not always middle school age to varsity, sometimes middle school age to JV. Many kids age 13/14 can handle a small hop to 15/16. Agree on varsity however, physical gap gets more significant.

If you saw the gc and manhasset jv you would know that it is no place for experimenting and they don't need any help from below. Most of those JV starters would start varsity elsewhere. Patience is a virtue. Thanks anyway.

HAHAHA. remind us all where Manhasset is ranked these days? Sounds like you need all the help you can get.

Your a tool for believing some mythical high school rankings have any close representation to what will happen on the field. If "they" can't get the colleges right what makes you think the HS rankings mean anything. Remember Loyola was not "ranked" heading into last year. I'd like to sell you some things based on what I think they are worth. Call me.

Good Point! How about reminding us how you are doing since moving out of the C div. Get off the GC coat tails

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wont ever happen in Garden City or Manhasset no matter what. Just a fact. Different philosophy that other smaller towns. Big difference in Maturiy between a 13/14 year old and an 18 yr old. Do not be so eager for them to grow up too fast. Be careful for what you wish for. If they get hurt you will never forgive yourself.

Fact- it has happened

Also realize it is not always middle school age to varsity, sometimes middle school age to JV. Many kids age 13/14 can handle a small hop to 15/16. Agree on varsity however, physical gap gets more significant.

If it was such a good idea to move 8th graders (2017) up to JV (mostly 2015 starters) or Varsity (2014/13s) then why don't the 2017 club team parents (including the mighty turds) demand that their club program directors have their little darlings consistently play up against 2015 or 2014 teams in the summer? Answer.... Its a health risk and a lawsuit waiting to happen. Ask Joe D or Mike C why they doesn't have their 2017s play that far up..come back with the answer.

Worst example ever. Comparing a WHOLE travel team to playing UP in elite club games/tournaments where most of the roster is highly talented players. As opposed to most JV and Varsity programs where a good chunk of the roster are weaker players that aren't mega stars (including the Garden City and Manhasset's of the world). And as far as asking Joe D or Mike C about their 2017 teams playing UP, well there is no need to ask because they DO. And they both WIN while doing it.

The only reason they do ok playing up is that most of the kids should be in the grade above anyway. That said, it's one thing for mike c and joe d to play up one grade in the summer which in their case may be the same age but its another to have these little prodigies playing up against 2 or 3 year older kids. The physics don't work Einstein.

Would you like some PB with that Jelly?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are an idiot !!!! Let me get this straight...an older player is going to "send a message" to a kid from the same town who may be friends with some of the older players and their families. Back in the day you probably had your school lunch money taken from you !!!! Many town players older and younger play and train together....thats reality..

Wow,wow,wow ! How about the younger kids getting bullied and not getting the same scrimmage time during practice unless the coaches get involved. For instance during winter indoor ball what is the chance an 8th grade kid would play man up over a 10th grader in a JV game. The older may even threaten the little guy so what makes you think the older guys will not gang up on a younger guy. Watch the news lately where a couple of geeky track guys hazed a frosh at The Bronx School of Science , so imagine what it is like in a contact sport where these 8th graders are experiencing a one handed check and man ball for the first time. You must have ran track or played tennis in high school.

Why do you say the "little guy"? Some of the 8th grade kids being brought up are 6' tall. These athletes that are being brought up are being brought up because it was well thought out on all sides. BTW, what 8th grader, these days, has not experienced a one handed check or man ball? Each year the talent, training, coaching & desire gets more intense. The time on a lacrosse field against athletes just like them increases. IDK where you live but, the kids in my town respect eachother as athletes. Are there some kids that will feel threatened? Of course but, put it out on the field. The older players on my sons team took them under their wing (some of them were brought up younger also) BTW having a few younger kids being brought up, put a "fire" under their butts to play better! Kumbaya!!

There's no coddling in lacrosse. IF the little darlins can take the physical abuse in JV and Varsity proactices and games then they belong. IF they can't, it was a mistake.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are an idiot !!!! Let me get this straight...an older player is going to "send a message" to a kid from the same town who may be friends with some of the older players and their families. Back in the day you probably had your school lunch money taken from you !!!! Many town players older and younger play and train together....thats reality..

Wow,wow,wow ! How about the younger kids getting bullied and not getting the same scrimmage time during practice unless the coaches get involved. For instance during winter indoor ball what is the chance an 8th grade kid would play man up over a 10th grader in a JV game. The older may even threaten the little guy so what makes you think the older guys will not gang up on a younger guy. Watch the news lately where a couple of geeky track guys hazed a frosh at The Bronx School of Science , so imagine what it is like in a contact sport where these 8th graders are experiencing a one handed check and man ball for the first time. You must have ran track or played tennis in high school.

Why do you say the "little guy"? Some of the 8th grade kids being brought up are 6' tall. These athletes that are being brought up are being brought up because it was well thought out on all sides. BTW, what 8th grader, these days, has not experienced a one handed check or man ball? Each year the talent, training, coaching & desire gets more intense. The time on a lacrosse field against athletes just like them increases. IDK where you live but, the kids in my town respect eachother as athletes. Are there some kids that will feel threatened? Of course but, put it out on the field. The older players on my sons team took them under their wing (some of them were brought up younger also) BTW having a few younger kids being brought up, put a "fire" under their butts to play better! Kumbaya!!

There's no coddling in lacrosse. IF the little darlins can take the physical abuse in JV and Varsity proactices and games then they belong. IF they can't, it was a mistake.

EXACTLY!!!

Keep in mind that school lax is not "pay for play" and is not win at all costs. Its about the journey, the experience and the lifetime of memories. Leave the cut throat stuff to the clubs. The school experience has and always will favor the upperclassmen - especially at the better school programs. Besides, once you start seeing the JV and Varsity practices and games up close, you'll realize that there are lots of talented players in your school that you never knew were there or are actually better than you thought hearing through the grapevine. The little world of 8th grade lax would be very surprised to see how good the talent is ahead of them - that goes for the mighty turds too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Keep in mind that school lax is not "pay for play" and is not win at all costs. Its about the journey, the experience and the lifetime of memories. Leave the cut throat stuff to the clubs. The school experience has and always will favor the upperclassmen - especially at the better school programs. Besides, once you start seeing the JV and Varsity practices and games up close, you'll realize that there are lots of talented players in your school that you never knew were there or are actually better than you thought hearing through the grapevine. The little world of 8th grade lax would be very surprised to see how good the talent is ahead of them - that goes for the mighty turds too.

Why all the annomosity regarding this? Why are these posts regarding the "little darlings" & "the turds"? There are many very talented players from other teams & towns that are moving up. Why do you feel you know better than coaches or athletic directors, that have been doing this for years? Why do you feel you have the knowledge and other parents dont? Make decisions or abide by decisions regarding your own child. To be honest, you sound like the jealous parent of a lacrosse player that wasnt asked to play up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Keep in mind that school lax is not "pay for play" and is not win at all costs. Its about the journey, the experience and the lifetime of memories. Leave the cut throat stuff to the clubs. The school experience has and always will favor the upperclassmen - especially at the better school programs. Besides, once you start seeing the JV and Varsity practices and games up close, you'll realize that there are lots of talented players in your school that you never knew were there or are actually better than you thought hearing through the grapevine. The little world of 8th grade lax would be very surprised to see how good the talent is ahead of them - that goes for the mighty turds too.

Why all the annomosity regarding this? Why are these posts regarding the "little darlings" & "the turds"? There are many very talented players from other teams & towns that are moving up. Why do you feel you know better than coaches or athletic directors, that have been doing this for years? Why do you feel you have the knowledge and other parents dont? Make decisions or abide by decisions regarding your own child. To be honest, you sound like the jealous parent of a lacrosse player that wasnt asked to play up.

I used to be in the shoes of an 8th grade parent who thought his kid was better than the kids above. Our son had all of the accolades of a great 8th grade laxer. But alas, he now rides the bench waiting his turn behind the very players that we thought our son was better than. And you know what? It's ok, the system works and we underestimated the challenges of moving ahead of the usual pace. Good things come to those who wait. Trust me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Keep in mind that school lax is not "pay for play" and is not win at all costs. Its about the journey, the experience and the lifetime of memories. Leave the cut throat stuff to the clubs. The school experience has and always will favor the upperclassmen - especially at the better school programs. Besides, once you start seeing the JV and Varsity practices and games up close, you'll realize that there are lots of talented players in your school that you never knew were there or are actually better than you thought hearing through the grapevine. The little world of 8th grade lax would be very surprised to see how good the talent is ahead of them - that goes for the mighty turds too.

Why all the annomosity regarding this? Why are these posts regarding the "little darlings" & "the turds"? There are many very talented players from other teams & towns that are moving up. Why do you feel you know better than coaches or athletic directors, that have been doing this for years? Why do you feel you have the knowledge and other parents dont? Make decisions or abide by decisions regarding your own child. To be honest, you sound like the jealous parent of a lacrosse player that wasnt asked to play up.

Sounds like a daddy coach who cant protect his sons playing time anymore or the parent of a player who knows a boy 2 years younger than him will take his place. That happens alot when daddy doesnt coach anymore and the team grade program as a whole is given a new perspective (an unbias one)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Keep in mind that school lax is not "pay for play" and is not win at all costs. Its about the journey, the experience and the lifetime of memories. Leave the cut throat stuff to the clubs. The school experience has and always will favor the upperclassmen - especially at the better school programs. Besides, once you start seeing the JV and Varsity practices and games up close, you'll realize that there are lots of talented players in your school that you never knew were there or are actually better than you thought hearing through the grapevine. The little world of 8th grade lax would be very surprised to see how good the talent is ahead of them - that goes for the mighty turds too.

My experience-

My 8th grade son, and others I am sure, is proud to be on the field with his older peers. He was asked to move up and earned the opportunity. He, and I, think he is no better than those above and before him. He appreciates his position and is working his tail off to prove his potential. On day 3 now, each day passes with respect earned and given to each other as teammates. He has a long road ahead, but as previous poster said, a journey, an experience. Just as we posters go back and forth on Brine and 3D this to will go on, as next year when so and so commits "too soon". I say, if your son or mine is there, he deserves it. It is an opportunity, his to seize and turn into his experience and carry out to his ability. Good things come in many ways, patience, assertiveness, hard work, respect and persistence. I trust him.......
Why all the annomosity regarding this? Why are these posts regarding the "little darlings" & "the turds"? There are many very talented players from other teams & towns that are moving up. Why do you feel you know better than coaches or athletic directors, that have been doing this for years? Why do you feel you have the knowledge and other parents dont? Make decisions or abide by decisions regarding your own child. To be honest, you sound like the jealous parent of a lacrosse player that wasnt asked to play up.

I used to be in the shoes of an 8th grade parent who thought his kid was better than the kids above. Our son had all of the accolades of a great 8th grade laxer. But alas, he now rides the bench waiting his turn behind the very players that we thought our son was better than. And you know what? It's ok, the system works and we underestimated the challenges of moving ahead of the usual pace. Good things come to those who wait. Trust me.

good luck.

My experience-

My 8th grade son, and others I am sure, is proud to be on the field with his older peers. He was asked to move up and earned the opportunity. He, and I, think he is no better than those above and before him. He appreciates his position and is working his tail off to prove his potential. On day 3 now, each day passes with respect earned and given to each other as teammates. He has a long road ahead, but as previous poster said, a journey, an experience. Just as we posters go back and forth on Brine and 3D this to will go on, as next year when so and so commits "too soon". I say, if your son or mine is there, he deserves it. It is an opportunity, his to seize and turn into his experience and carry out to his ability. Good things come in many ways, patience, assertiveness, hard work, respect and persistence. I trust him.......

U must be a first year lax parent. Ask your friends why...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

U must be a first year lax parent. Ask your friends why...

Not sure who you are addressing but how is a parent of an 8th grader who is moving up in any way a "first year" lax parent?

Having been a " lax parent" for 15 years with kids previously in system, I have know idea what you are saying.

I will ask my friends why...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My experience-

My 8th grade son, and others I am sure, is proud to be on the field with his older peers. He was asked to move up and earned the opportunity. He, and I, think he is no better than those above and before him. He appreciates his position and is working his tail off to prove his potential. On day 3 now, each day passes with respect earned and given to each other as teammates. He has a long road ahead, but as previous poster said, a journey, an experience. Just as we posters go back and forth on Brine and 3D this to will go on, as next year when so and so commits "too soon". I say, if your son or mine is there, he deserves it. It is an opportunity, his to seize and turn into his experience and carry out to his ability. Good things come in many ways, patience, assertiveness, hard work, respect and persistence. I trust him.......

Probably the best post Ive read in a while. I live in a big lax town and my son had absolutely no shot at getting moved up to JV, even though he is a very good travel lax player, and honestly I dont think he was ready anyway. Every kid and every circumstance is different. To those kids that got moved up I say good luck, to those who didnt I say be patient your time is coming.

Best of luck to all those kids that are now JV players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Keep in mind that school lax is not "pay for play" and is not win at all costs. Its about the journey, the experience and the lifetime of memories. Leave the cut throat stuff to the clubs. The school experience has and always will favor the upperclassmen - especially at the better school programs. Besides, once you start seeing the JV and Varsity practices and games up close, you'll realize that there are lots of talented players in your school that you never knew were there or are actually better than you thought hearing through the grapevine. The little world of 8th grade lax would be very surprised to see how good the talent is ahead of them - that goes for the mighty turds too.

Why all the annomosity regarding this? Why are these posts regarding the "little darlings" & "the turds"? There are many very talented players from other teams & towns that are moving up. Why do you feel you know better than coaches or athletic directors, that have been doing this for years? Why do you feel you have the knowledge and other parents dont? Make decisions or abide by decisions regarding your own child. To be honest, you sound like the jealous parent of a lacrosse player that wasnt asked to play up.

I used to be in the shoes of an 8th grade parent who thought his kid was better than the kids above. Our son had all of the accolades of a great 8th grade laxer. But alas, he now rides the bench waiting his turn behind the very players that we thought our son was better than. And you know what? It's ok, the system works and we underestimated the challenges of moving ahead of the usual pace. Good things come to those who wait. Trust me.

That is your sons story. There are MANY others out there. Let these kids write their own story. Good luck to them.

3 8th graders in my town were asked to play up to JV by the varsity coach for the first time in many years...
2 big strong kids and 1 average size player but tuff...
long story short;
one of the big kids failed the NYS standardized stregth, speed and endurance test...

so the coaches were forced to send him back to middle school level...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3 8th graders in my town were asked to play up to JV by the varsity coach for the first time in many years...
2 big strong kids and 1 average size player but tuff...
long story short;
one of the big kids failed the NYS standardized stregth, speed and endurance test...

so the coaches were forced to send him back to middle school level...

Your town will catch on as many other do, where the test is a formality and the players will find their way up regardless if they pass any portion of the test.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3 8th graders in my town were asked to play up to JV by the varsity coach for the first time in many years...
2 big strong kids and 1 average size player but tuff...
long story short;
one of the big kids failed the NYS standardized stregth, speed and endurance test...

so the coaches were forced to send him back to middle school level...

Your town will catch on as many other do, where the test is a formality and the players will find their way up regardless if they pass any portion of the test.

My son and 4 others were told back in December they would be moved up to JV and began working on the test. The varsity coach called me to detail the plan and explain that it was in my sons best interest for the level he is at.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are an idiot !!!! Let me get this straight...an older player is going to "send a message" to a kid from the same town who may be friends with some of the older players and their families. Back in the day you probably had your school lunch money taken from you !!!! Many town players older and younger play and train together....thats reality..

Wow,wow,wow ! How about the younger kids getting bullied and not getting the same scrimmage time during practice unless the coaches get involved. For instance during winter indoor ball what is the chance an 8th grade kid would play man up over a 10th grader in a JV game. The older may even threaten the little guy so what makes you think the older guys will not gang up on a younger guy. Watch the news lately where a couple of geeky track guys hazed a frosh at The Bronx School of Science , so imagine what it is like in a contact sport where these 8th graders are experiencing a one handed check and man ball for the first time. You must have ran track or played tennis in high school.

Why do you say the "little guy"? Some of the 8th grade kids being brought up are 6' tall. These athletes that are being brought up are being brought up because it was well thought out on all sides. BTW, what 8th grader, these days, has not experienced a one handed check or man ball? Each year the talent, training, coaching & desire gets more intense. The time on a lacrosse field against athletes just like them increases. IDK where you live but, the kids in my town respect eachother as athletes. Are there some kids that will feel threatened? Of course but, put it out on the field. The older players on my sons team took them under their wing (some of them were brought up younger also) BTW having a few younger kids being brought up, put a "fire" under their butts to play better! Kumbaya!!

There's no coddling in lacrosse. IF the little darlins can take the physical abuse in JV and Varsity proactices and games then they belong. IF they can't, it was a mistake.

EXACTLY!!!

Yes sir. What can I do for you?

I don't understand why people on this post seem so apposed to kids playing up. Believe me the HS and JV coaches are looking for kids that they can develop and only see it as a mechanism to make the program better. WI has been doing it for years and even if its just for practices the players get used to high speed the game is played and are more prepared when their time comes. When a town has a special player coming up in the ranks those coaches do everything they can to encourage and challenge them. It seems most the chatter on this post comes from the fear of parents worried the younger player "taking" time from upperclassmen. If thats the case you are not thinking about the long term success of the program and only your kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't understand why people on this post seem so apposed to kids playing up. Believe me the HS and JV coaches are looking for kids that they can develop and only see it as a mechanism to make the program better. WI has been doing it for years and even if its just for practices the players get used to high speed the game is played and are more prepared when their time comes. When a town has a special player coming up in the ranks those coaches do everything they can to encourage and challenge them. It seems most the chatter on this post comes from the fear of parents worried the younger player "taking" time from upperclassmen. If thats the case you are not thinking about the long term success of the program and only your kid.

Its the pushy attitude of the parents that is so distasteful about the process. There are thousands of dilusional parents who all think that their little darlins are the next Rabil. The problem is, they can't all be - yet if it were up to most parents, they would have their kid moved up whether its the right thing or not. Sometimes even going over the coach's head to the AD or even higher. If I were a coach, that would be a huge red flag if a parent tried to strong arm or influence others in the administration. But it happens, and happens a lot, and its grotesque and most coaches see right through it. The whole accelerated college recruiting thing has warped a lot of parents into desperation to have their kid moved up as fast as they can. I feel bad for the coaches outside of the stronger schools - they are getting run over by the inmates. Only the coaches who have been around a while with a great track record can "flip off" these pushy parents and do it their way. The newer coaches are red meat for these parents.

There are a few Baltimore teams left out of the mix:
BLC Crabs....big, fast...not sure they live up to the hype...they add and remove players consistently
FCA Blue....new kids on the block, solid D, fast at midfield, an attack that can finish, great coaching, watch out for them

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't understand why people on this post seem so apposed to kids playing up. Believe me the HS and JV coaches are looking for kids that they can develop and only see it as a mechanism to make the program better. WI has been doing it for years and even if its just for practices the players get used to high speed the game is played and are more prepared when their time comes. When a town has a special player coming up in the ranks those coaches do everything they can to encourage and challenge them. It seems most the chatter on this post comes from the fear of parents worried the younger player "taking" time from upperclassmen. If thats the case you are not thinking about the long term success of the program and only your kid.

Its the pushy attitude of the parents that is so distasteful about the process. There are thousands of dilusional parents who all think that their little darlins are the next Rabil. The problem is, they can't all be - yet if it were up to most parents, they would have their kid moved up whether its the right thing or not. Sometimes even going over the coach's head to the AD or even higher. If I were a coach, that would be a huge red flag if a parent tried to strong arm or influence others in the administration. But it happens, and happens a lot, and its grotesque and most coaches see right through it. The whole accelerated college recruiting thing has warped a lot of parents into desperation to have their kid moved up as fast as they can. I feel bad for the coaches outside of the stronger schools - they are getting run over by the inmates. Only the coaches who have been around a while with a great track record can "flip off" these pushy parents and do it their way. The newer coaches are red meat for these parents.

Parent Quote: "If you don;t pull up my 8th grader, I will have them transfer to St. Anthony;s next year."

My answer would have been: "Good luck!"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't understand why people on this post seem so apposed to kids playing up. Believe me the HS and JV coaches are looking for kids that they can develop and only see it as a mechanism to make the program better. WI has been doing it for years and even if its just for practices the players get used to high speed the game is played and are more prepared when their time comes. When a town has a special player coming up in the ranks those coaches do everything they can to encourage and challenge them. It seems most the chatter on this post comes from the fear of parents worried the younger player "taking" time from upperclassmen. If thats the case you are not thinking about the long term success of the program and only your kid.

Its the pushy attitude of the parents that is so distasteful about the process. There are thousands of dilusional parents who all think that their little darlins are the next Rabil. The problem is, they can't all be - yet if it were up to most parents, they would have their kid moved up whether its the right thing or not. Sometimes even going over the coach's head to the AD or even higher. If I were a coach, that would be a huge red flag if a parent tried to strong arm or influence others in the administration. But it happens, and happens a lot, and its grotesque and most coaches see right through it. The whole accelerated college recruiting thing has warped a lot of parents into desperation to have their kid moved up as fast as they can. I feel bad for the coaches outside of the stronger schools - they are getting run over by the inmates. Only the coaches who have been around a while with a great track record can "flip off" these pushy parents and do it their way. The newer coaches are red meat for these parents.

Parent Quote: "If you don;t pull up my 8th grader, I will have them transfer to St. Anthony;s next year."

My answer would have been: "Good luck!"

That's excatly the answer they will/should get from a town with a strong school program. In a weak town, they might get their way. Once these school coaches open it up for one kid, its like opening the gates of [lacrosse].

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't understand why people on this post seem so apposed to kids playing up. Believe me the HS and JV coaches are looking for kids that they can develop and only see it as a mechanism to make the program better. WI has been doing it for years and even if its just for practices the players get used to high speed the game is played and are more prepared when their time comes. When a town has a special player coming up in the ranks those coaches do everything they can to encourage and challenge them. It seems most the chatter on this post comes from the fear of parents worried the younger player "taking" time from upperclassmen. If thats the case you are not thinking about the long term success of the program and only your kid.

Its the pushy attitude of the parents that is so distasteful about the process. There are thousands of dilusional parents who all think that their little darlins are the next Rabil. The problem is, they can't all be - yet if it were up to most parents, they would have their kid moved up whether its the right thing or not. Sometimes even going over the coach's head to the AD or even higher. If I were a coach, that would be a huge red flag if a parent tried to strong arm or influence others in the administration. But it happens, and happens a lot, and its grotesque and most coaches see right through it. The whole accelerated college recruiting thing has warped a lot of parents into desperation to have their kid moved up as fast as they can. I feel bad for the coaches outside of the stronger schools - they are getting run over by the inmates. Only the coaches who have been around a while with a great track record can "flip off" these pushy parents and do it their way. The newer coaches are red meat for these parents.

Parent Quote: "If you don;t pull up my 8th grader, I will have them transfer to St. Anthony;s next year."

My answer would have been: "Good luck!"

Must be a product of the Express. And, good luck with that as St Ants almost never moves kids up. Knowing that I'm sure, these parents are just bluffing. Would backfire at a GC or similar caliber lax program big time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't understand why people on this post seem so apposed to kids playing up. Believe me the HS and JV coaches are looking for kids that they can develop and only see it as a mechanism to make the program better. WI has been doing it for years and even if its just for practices the players get used to high speed the game is played and are more prepared when their time comes. When a town has a special player coming up in the ranks those coaches do everything they can to encourage and challenge them. It seems most the chatter on this post comes from the fear of parents worried the younger player "taking" time from upperclassmen. If thats the case you are not thinking about the long term success of the program and only your kid.

Its the pushy attitude of the parents that is so distasteful about the process. There are thousands of dilusional parents who all think that their little darlins are the next Rabil. The problem is, they can't all be - yet if it were up to most parents, they would have their kid moved up whether its the right thing or not. Sometimes even going over the coach's head to the AD or even higher. If I were a coach, that would be a huge red flag if a parent tried to strong arm or influence others in the administration. But it happens, and happens a lot, and its grotesque and most coaches see right through it. The whole accelerated college recruiting thing has warped a lot of parents into desperation to have their kid moved up as fast as they can. I feel bad for the coaches outside of the stronger schools - they are getting run over by the inmates. Only the coaches who have been around a while with a great track record can "flip off" these pushy parents and do it their way. The newer coaches are red meat for these parents.

Parent Quote: "If you don;t pull up my 8th grader, I will have them transfer to St. Anthony;s next year."

My answer would have been: "Good luck!"

Whatever parent said this to a coach is the ultimate A-hole and better just move his kid to St Ants now because that reputational damage will stay with him until his kid graduates. Nobeody ever forgets this kind of hubris and brashness. A shame for the kid to have a parent like this do damage to his chances long term. I'm sure the parent will regret it if he hasn't already. No doubt reading this too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't understand why people on this post seem so apposed to kids playing up. Believe me the HS and JV coaches are looking for kids that they can develop and only see it as a mechanism to make the program better. WI has been doing it for years and even if its just for practices the players get used to high speed the game is played and are more prepared when their time comes. When a town has a special player coming up in the ranks those coaches do everything they can to encourage and challenge them. It seems most the chatter on this post comes from the fear of parents worried the younger player "taking" time from upperclassmen. If thats the case you are not thinking about the long term success of the program and only your kid.

Its the pushy attitude of the parents that is so distasteful about the process. There are thousands of dilusional parents who all think that their little darlins are the next Rabil. The problem is, they can't all be - yet if it were up to most parents, they would have their kid moved up whether its the right thing or not. Sometimes even going over the coach's head to the AD or even higher. If I were a coach, that would be a huge red flag if a parent tried to strong arm or influence others in the administration. But it happens, and happens a lot, and its grotesque and most coaches see right through it. The whole accelerated college recruiting thing has warped a lot of parents into desperation to have their kid moved up as fast as they can. I feel bad for the coaches outside of the stronger schools - they are getting run over by the inmates. Only the coaches who have been around a while with a great track record can "flip off" these pushy parents and do it their way. The newer coaches are red meat for these parents.

Parent Quote: "If you don;t pull up my 8th grader, I will have them transfer to St. Anthony;s next year."

My answer would have been: "Good luck!"

Somebody ask about the definition of lax daddy? Right before your eyes, the worst of the worst.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't understand why people on this post seem so apposed to kids playing up. Believe me the HS and JV coaches are looking for kids that they can develop and only see it as a mechanism to make the program better. WI has been doing it for years and even if its just for practices the players get used to high speed the game is played and are more prepared when their time comes. When a town has a special player coming up in the ranks those coaches do everything they can to encourage and challenge them. It seems most the chatter on this post comes from the fear of parents worried the younger player "taking" time from upperclassmen. If thats the case you are not thinking about the long term success of the program and only your kid.

Its the pushy attitude of the parents that is so distasteful about the process. There are thousands of dilusional parents who all think that their little darlins are the next Rabil. The problem is, they can't all be - yet if it were up to most parents, they would have their kid moved up whether its the right thing or not. Sometimes even going over the coach's head to the AD or even higher. If I were a coach, that would be a huge red flag if a parent tried to strong arm or influence others in the administration. But it happens, and happens a lot, and its grotesque and most coaches see right through it. The whole accelerated college recruiting thing has warped a lot of parents into desperation to have their kid moved up as fast as they can. I feel bad for the coaches outside of the stronger schools - they are getting run over by the inmates. Only the coaches who have been around a while with a great track record can "flip off" these pushy parents and do it their way. The newer coaches are red meat for these parents.

Parent Quote: "If you don;t pull up my 8th grader, I will have them transfer to St. Anthony;s next year."

My answer would have been: "Good luck!"

Image in my head. Ever present father with too much time on his hands, mother not very involved, grew up in one of the 5 boroughs, never played lax and thinks his kid is all-world. Nightmare for any coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't understand why people on this post seem so apposed to kids playing up. Believe me the HS and JV coaches are looking for kids that they can develop and only see it as a mechanism to make the program better. WI has been doing it for years and even if its just for practices the players get used to high speed the game is played and are more prepared when their time comes. When a town has a special player coming up in the ranks those coaches do everything they can to encourage and challenge them. It seems most the chatter on this post comes from the fear of parents worried the younger player "taking" time from upperclassmen. If thats the case you are not thinking about the long term success of the program and only your kid.

Its the pushy attitude of the parents that is so distasteful about the process. There are thousands of dilusional parents who all think that their little darlins are the next Rabil. The problem is, they can't all be - yet if it were up to most parents, they would have their kid moved up whether its the right thing or not. Sometimes even going over the coach's head to the AD or even higher. If I were a coach, that would be a huge red flag if a parent tried to strong arm or influence others in the administration. But it happens, and happens a lot, and its grotesque and most coaches see right through it. The whole accelerated college recruiting thing has warped a lot of parents into desperation to have their kid moved up as fast as they can. I feel bad for the coaches outside of the stronger schools - they are getting run over by the inmates. Only the coaches who have been around a while with a great track record can "flip off" these pushy parents and do it their way. The newer coaches are red meat for these parents.

Parent Quote: "If you don;t pull up my 8th grader, I will have them transfer to St. Anthony;s next year."

My answer would have been: "Good luck!"

Somebody ask about the definition of lax daddy? Right before your eyes, the worst of the worst.

My town is the opposite if there is any indication your going to St A or Cham the plyer will not get pulled up. But other players who do not neccessarily pass the "mandated" test do.

Totally agree

Instead of whining you might consider enrolling your son in a summer lacrosse venue instead of Summer camp. Choice is simple Catskills or lax skills buddy.
Maybe all of the kids who chose work hard all summer should wait on sidelines until your guy "gets it"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't understand why people on this post seem so apposed to kids playing up. Believe me the HS and JV coaches are looking for kids that they can develop and only see it as a mechanism to make the program better. WI has been doing it for years and even if its just for practices the players get used to high speed the game is played and are more prepared when their time comes. When a town has a special player coming up in the ranks those coaches do everything they can to encourage and challenge them. It seems most the chatter on this post comes from the fear of parents worried the younger player "taking" time from upperclassmen. If thats the case you are not thinking about the long term success of the program and only your kid.

Its the pushy attitude of the parents that is so distasteful about the process. There are thousands of dilusional parents who all think that their little darlins are the next Rabil. The problem is, they can't all be - yet if it were up to most parents, they would have their kid moved up whether its the right thing or not. Sometimes even going over the coach's head to the AD or even higher. If I were a coach, that would be a huge red flag if a parent tried to strong arm or influence others in the administration. But it happens, and happens a lot, and its grotesque and most coaches see right through it. The whole accelerated college recruiting thing has warped a lot of parents into desperation to have their kid moved up as fast as they can. I feel bad for the coaches outside of the stronger schools - they are getting run over by the inmates. Only the coaches who have been around a while with a great track record can "flip off" these pushy parents and do it their way. The newer coaches are red meat for these parents.

Parent Quote: "If you don;t pull up my 8th grader, I will have them transfer to St. Anthony;s next year."

My answer would have been: "Good luck!"

That's excatly the answer they will/should get from a town with a strong school program. In a weak town, they might get their way. Once these school coaches open it up for one kid, its like opening the gates of [lacrosse].

No, not exactly the answer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't understand why people on this post seem so apposed to kids playing up. Believe me the HS and JV coaches are looking for kids that they can develop and only see it as a mechanism to make the program better. WI has been doing it for years and even if its just for practices the players get used to high speed the game is played and are more prepared when their time comes. When a town has a special player coming up in the ranks those coaches do everything they can to encourage and challenge them. It seems most the chatter on this post comes from the fear of parents worried the younger player "taking" time from upperclassmen. If thats the case you are not thinking about the long term success of the program and only your kid.

Its the pushy attitude of the parents that is so distasteful about the process. There are thousands of dilusional parents who all think that their little darlins are the next Rabil. The problem is, they can't all be - yet if it were up to most parents, they would have their kid moved up whether its the right thing or not. Sometimes even going over the coach's head to the AD or even higher. If I were a coach, that would be a huge red flag if a parent tried to strong arm or influence others in the administration. But it happens, and happens a lot, and its grotesque and most coaches see right through it. The whole accelerated college recruiting thing has warped a lot of parents into desperation to have their kid moved up as fast as they can. I feel bad for the coaches outside of the stronger schools - they are getting run over by the inmates. Only the coaches who have been around a while with a great track record can "flip off" these pushy parents and do it their way. The newer coaches are red meat for these parents.

Absolutely NOT happening anywhere I know of. Most of these kids being brought up were asked to do so months ago because the JV/V coaches asked them to. Again, there is a process that needs to be followed & it IS followed. Again, IDK anywhere they weren't. It is a rigorous physical & I have heard of atheletes that did not pass & are not being brought up. I am sure there are parents that get a bit pushy but, you seem to be speaking of the minority not "thousands". We are outside of the so called "stronger schools" & no "inmates" are going to run over these coaches! Sorry to burst your bubble but, there are some 8th graders that deserve and CAN handle the JV/V level!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't understand why people on this post seem so apposed to kids playing up. Believe me the HS and JV coaches are looking for kids that they can develop and only see it as a mechanism to make the program better. WI has been doing it for years and even if its just for practices the players get used to high speed the game is played and are more prepared when their time comes. When a town has a special player coming up in the ranks those coaches do everything they can to encourage and challenge them. It seems most the chatter on this post comes from the fear of parents worried the younger player "taking" time from upperclassmen. If thats the case you are not thinking about the long term success of the program and only your kid.

Its the pushy attitude of the parents that is so distasteful about the process. There are thousands of dilusional parents who all think that their little darlins are the next Rabil. The problem is, they can't all be - yet if it were up to most parents, they would have their kid moved up whether its the right thing or not. Sometimes even going over the coach's head to the AD or even higher. If I were a coach, that would be a huge red flag if a parent tried to strong arm or influence others in the administration. But it happens, and happens a lot, and its grotesque and most coaches see right through it. The whole accelerated college recruiting thing has warped a lot of parents into desperation to have their kid moved up as fast as they can. I feel bad for the coaches outside of the stronger schools - they are getting run over by the inmates. Only the coaches who have been around a while with a great track record can "flip off" these pushy parents and do it their way. The newer coaches are red meat for these parents.

Parent Quote: "If you don;t pull up my 8th grader, I will have them transfer to St. Anthony;s next year."

My answer would have been: "Good luck!"

Must be a product of the Express. And, good luck with that as St Ants almost never moves kids up. Knowing that I'm sure, these parents are just bluffing. Would backfire at a GC or similar caliber lax program big time.

Cold Spring Harbor??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't understand why people on this post seem so apposed to kids playing up. Believe me the HS and JV coaches are looking for kids that they can develop and only see it as a mechanism to make the program better. WI has been doing it for years and even if its just for practices the players get used to high speed the game is played and are more prepared when their time comes. When a town has a special player coming up in the ranks those coaches do everything they can to encourage and challenge them. It seems most the chatter on this post comes from the fear of parents worried the younger player "taking" time from upperclassmen. If thats the case you are not thinking about the long term success of the program and only your kid.

Its the pushy attitude of the parents that is so distasteful about the process. There are thousands of dilusional parents who all think that their little darlins are the next Rabil. The problem is, they can't all be - yet if it were up to most parents, they would have their kid moved up whether its the right thing or not. Sometimes even going over the coach's head to the AD or even higher. If I were a coach, that would be a huge red flag if a parent tried to strong arm or influence others in the administration. But it happens, and happens a lot, and its grotesque and most coaches see right through it. The whole accelerated college recruiting thing has warped a lot of parents into desperation to have their kid moved up as fast as they can. I feel bad for the coaches outside of the stronger schools - they are getting run over by the inmates. Only the coaches who have been around a while with a great track record can "flip off" these pushy parents and do it their way. The newer coaches are red meat for these parents.

Parent Quote: "If you don;t pull up my 8th grader, I will have them transfer to St. Anthony;s next year."

My answer would have been: "Good luck!"

Must be a product of the Express. And, good luck with that as St Ants almost never moves kids up. Knowing that I'm sure, these parents are just bluffing. Would backfire at a GC or similar caliber lax program big time.

Cold Spring Harbor??

Ding ding ding!!! We have a winner with a super whiner at CSH who used exactly that approach. Unbelievable. Really.

trying to find out who is in OBLL and who is going into that league in Queens?

There is s spring league at [...] the past few years. Dont know if it is still going on but the competition was very good with NJ teams, Tristate and Conn teams like Darien and Fairfield coming in to play Long Island teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

trying to find out who is in OBLL

The OBLL teams listing was provided here on BOTC in that thread. While it is always possible that teams will be added or dropped, the majority of this listing was accurate at the start of the seaosn last week.

OBLL Team Listing - Spring 2013

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't understand why people on this post seem so apposed to kids playing up. Believe me the HS and JV coaches are looking for kids that they can develop and only see it as a mechanism to make the program better. WI has been doing it for years and even if its just for practices the players get used to high speed the game is played and are more prepared when their time comes. When a town has a special player coming up in the ranks those coaches do everything they can to encourage and challenge them. It seems most the chatter on this post comes from the fear of parents worried the younger player "taking" time from upperclassmen. If thats the case you are not thinking about the long term success of the program and only your kid.

Its the pushy attitude of the parents that is so distasteful about the process. There are thousands of dilusional parents who all think that their little darlins are the next Rabil. The problem is, they can't all be - yet if it were up to most parents, they would have their kid moved up whether its the right thing or not. Sometimes even going over the coach's head to the AD or even higher. If I were a coach, that would be a huge red flag if a parent tried to strong arm or influence others in the administration. But it happens, and happens a lot, and its grotesque and most coaches see right through it. The whole accelerated college recruiting thing has warped a lot of parents into desperation to have their kid moved up as fast as they can. I feel bad for the coaches outside of the stronger schools - they are getting run over by the inmates. Only the coaches who have been around a while with a great track record can "flip off" these pushy parents and do it their way. The newer coaches are red meat for these parents.

Parent Quote: "If you don;t pull up my 8th grader, I will have them transfer to St. Anthony;s next year."

My answer would have been: "Good luck!"

Must be a product of the Express. And, good luck with that as St Ants almost never moves kids up. Knowing that I'm sure, these parents are just bluffing. Would backfire at a GC or similar caliber lax program big time.

Cold Spring Harbor??

Ding ding ding!!! We have a winner with a super whiner at CSH who used exactly that approach. Unbelievable. Really.

What is "Unbelievable. Really". is that you posted this!! You, yourself, heard the parents "use exactly that approach"? Or perhaps, someone told you that happened? Or, even more likely, your son (who wasnt brought up) told you that approach was used...

thanks sage for the update on OBLL. Do you have the SHAMROCK schedule?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't understand why people on this post seem so apposed to kids playing up. Believe me the HS and JV coaches are looking for kids that they can develop and only see it as a mechanism to make the program better. WI has been doing it for years and even if its just for practices the players get used to high speed the game is played and are more prepared when their time comes. When a town has a special player coming up in the ranks those coaches do everything they can to encourage and challenge them. It seems most the chatter on this post comes from the fear of parents worried the younger player "taking" time from upperclassmen. If thats the case you are not thinking about the long term success of the program and only your kid.

Its the pushy attitude of the parents that is so distasteful about the process. There are thousands of dilusional parents who all think that their little darlins are the next Rabil. The problem is, they can't all be - yet if it were up to most parents, they would have their kid moved up whether its the right thing or not. Sometimes even going over the coach's head to the AD or even higher. If I were a coach, that would be a huge red flag if a parent tried to strong arm or influence others in the administration. But it happens, and happens a lot, and its grotesque and most coaches see right through it. The whole accelerated college recruiting thing has warped a lot of parents into desperation to have their kid moved up as fast as they can. I feel bad for the coaches outside of the stronger schools - they are getting run over by the inmates. Only the coaches who have been around a while with a great track record can "flip off" these pushy parents and do it their way. The newer coaches are red meat for these parents.

Parent Quote: "If you don;t pull up my 8th grader, I will have them transfer to St. Anthony;s next year."

My answer would have been: "Good luck!"

Must be a product of the Express. And, good luck with that as St Ants almost never moves kids up. Knowing that I'm sure, these parents are just bluffing. Would backfire at a GC or similar caliber lax program big time.

Cold Spring Harbor??

Ding ding ding!!! We have a winner with a super whiner at CSH who used exactly that approach. Unbelievable. Really.

Good luck to the coach if he "caved in" - you've opened the gates to [lacrosse] AND pandoras box. Also, good luck to the other parents and kids who play the same position as the kid with the "We're going to St Antony's" parents in question - you have a nightmare on your hands until your son graduates.

Whats really unbelievable is that you woke up at 6:58 am on a Saturday morning to go hating on an eighth grade kid. Get help.

does anyone know if its true that a 8th grade player who gets pulled up to JV loses Freshman Lax eligibility at Catholic School?

absolutely not!

Do they have to play at the JV/Varsity level during the summer season?

they cant play u15 if playing jv or varsity.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

they cant play u15 if playing jv or varsity.

NOT true

what rules are you reading? go to us lacrosse site and see it's all about how old you are. when you are born. nothing to do with where they play for their schools. all of the major tournaments are age requirement only.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

they cant play u15 if playing jv or varsity.

This is not true

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do they have to play at the JV/Varsity level during the summer season?

No, In fact they would love it if you're son played in 9th grade somewhere, and then decided to go to St Ants again as freshman and repeat 9th grade. They do it all the time in Maryland.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3 8th graders in my town were asked to play up to JV by the varsity coach for the first time in many years...
2 big strong kids and 1 average size player but tuff...
long story short;
one of the big kids failed the NYS standardized stregth, speed and endurance test...

so the coaches were forced to send him back to middle school level...

Your town will catch on as many other do, where the test is a formality and the players will find their way up regardless if they pass any portion of the test.

My son and 4 others were told back in December they would be moved up to JV and began working on the test. The varsity coach called me to detail the plan and explain that it was in my sons best interest for the level he is at.

Are all the boys going to make it ? in our school 1 made and 2 did not . had something to do with the puberty level .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3 8th graders in my town were asked to play up to JV by the varsity coach for the first time in many years...
2 big strong kids and 1 average size player but tuff...
long story short;
one of the big kids failed the NYS standardized stregth, speed and endurance test...

so the coaches were forced to send him back to middle school level...

Your town will catch on as many other do, where the test is a formality and the players will find their way up regardless if they pass any portion of the test.

My son and 4 others were told back in December they would be moved up to JV and began working on the test. The varsity coach called me to detail the plan and explain that it was in my sons best interest for the level he is at.

Are all the boys going to make it ? in our school 1 made and 2 did not . had something to do with the puberty level .

There is a "Maturation test". There is a form for the doctor to fill out while giving a physical examination, there are forms for the JV/V coach, parent permission forms and then there is an "Athletic Profile" with specific standards for each athlete to meet. It is a process. Any good athlete could fail to meet the standards on this test.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3 8th graders in my town were asked to play up to JV by the varsity coach for the first time in many years...
2 big strong kids and 1 average size player but tuff...
long story short;
one of the big kids failed the NYS standardized stregth, speed and endurance test...

so the coaches were forced to send him back to middle school level...

Your town will catch on as many other do, where the test is a formality and the players will find their way up regardless if they pass any portion of the test.

My son and 4 others were told back in December they would be moved up to JV and began working on the test. The varsity coach called me to detail the plan and explain that it was in my sons best interest for the level he is at.

Are all the boys going to make it ? in our school 1 made and 2 did not . had something to do with the puberty level .

There is a "Maturation test". There is a form for the doctor to fill out while giving a physical examination, there are forms for the JV/V coach, parent permission forms and then there is an "Athletic Profile" with specific standards for each athlete to meet. It is a process. Any good athlete could fail to meet the standards on this test.

It appears to me, upon reading through this discussion, that the depth of knowledge seems to vary on this topic. Looks like those who are MOST educated on the subject do NOT make blanket statements, as if their own feelings should be imposed upon ALL whom it affects. Conversely, those who have the LEAST understanding of this matter, declare what they believe is fact, and should be agreed upon by ALL. Just an observation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3 8th graders in my town were asked to play up to JV by the varsity coach for the first time in many years...
2 big strong kids and 1 average size player but tuff...
long story short;
one of the big kids failed the NYS standardized stregth, speed and endurance test...

so the coaches were forced to send him back to middle school level...

Your town will catch on as many other do, where the test is a formality and the players will find their way up regardless if they pass any portion of the test.

My son and 4 others were told back in December they would be moved up to JV and began working on the test. The varsity coach called me to detail the plan and explain that it was in my sons best interest for the level he is at.

Are all the boys going to make it ? in our school 1 made and 2 did not . had something to do with the puberty level .

Yes all passed the tests and were moved up

What does US Lacrosse have to do with anything. If you are on this thread you should know that every rule that US Lacrosse has is broken at EVERY tournament there is. Most tournaments could not care about US Lacrosse rules.

Regarding moving kids up - Advice to the coaches - just say NO! You don't get paid enough to have to deal with the 50 other sets of parents frothing at the mouth to get their kid through the crack of the door that you've opened for one kid who you let through.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Regarding moving kids up - Advice to the coaches - just say NO! You don't get paid enough to have to deal with the 50 other sets of parents frothing at the mouth to get their kid through the crack of the door that you've opened for one kid who you let through.

Please understand that if your child was as good, dedicated, respectful, intense, hard-working, coachable,respectED, pleasant, etc., then possibly you would feel differently. Your statement seems extremely non objective. While many believe that their child is the second-coming, some actually ARE that good. Don,t keep the door closed off to them based on spite or jealousy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

they cant play u15 if playing jv or varsity.

This is not true

they can, and do- why make that statement if there is no basis?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Regarding moving kids up - Advice to the coaches - just say NO! You don't get paid enough to have to deal with the 50 other sets of parents frothing at the mouth to get their kid through the crack of the door that you've opened for one kid who you let through.

Please understand that if your child was as good, dedicated, respectful, intense, hard-working, coachable,respectED, pleasant, etc., then possibly you would feel differently. Your statement seems extremely non objective. While many believe that their child is the second-coming, some actually ARE that good. Don,t keep the door closed off to them based on spite or jealousy.

My kid was one of three that was moved up a couple of years ago. The uproar by others parents who's kids didn't get moved up was beyond comprehension and believe me, the coach didn't and doesn't get paid nearly enough to stand that kind of heat. To the best of my knowlegdge he has not moved up any kids since. Not worth the aggravation.

I think we have beaten to death the whole 2017's being moved up to varsity thing. Let's move on to something else.

The only players that should get moved up should be exceptional. They should be classified as a potential starter. Why would you move kids up if they were not going to play? They would be better off playing on JV or 8th grade rather than sitting on the bench.

Some parents who "want" their kids moved up handle it in a real bad way. These are the helicopter parents hovering over everything their kids do. They think they are doing their kids a favor by pushing so hard, but in the end they may end up hurting their kids both physically and mentally. An 8th grader who is not the same size as his teammates is at a disadvantage. He risks physical injury from not only his opponents but also from his teammates.

As a college recruiter, I can also tell you that the lacrosse world is a small world. Coaches all speak and. When they ask the question - what are the parents like? We must be honest with them. College coaches have zero interest in dealing with overbearing parents.

Be careful what you wish for.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only players that should get moved up should be exceptional. They should be classified as a potential starter. Why would you move kids up if they were not going to play? They would be better off playing on JV or 8th grade rather than sitting on the bench.

Some parents who "want" their kids moved up handle it in a real bad way. These are the helicopter parents hovering over everything their kids do. They think they are doing their kids a favor by pushing so hard, but in the end they may end up hurting their kids both physically and mentally. An 8th grader who is not the same size as his teammates is at a disadvantage. He risks physical injury from not only his opponents but also from his teammates.

As a college recruiter, I can also tell you that the lacrosse world is a small world. Coaches all speak and. When they ask the question - what are the parents like? We must be honest with them. College coaches have zero interest in dealing with overbearing parents.

Be careful what you wish for.

Seriously, awesome post. Makes this board worth coming to. Thank you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only players that should get moved up should be exceptional. They should be classified as a potential starter. Why would you move kids up if they were not going to play? They would be better off playing on JV or 8th grade rather than sitting on the bench.

Some parents who "want" their kids moved up handle it in a real bad way. These are the helicopter parents hovering over everything their kids do. They think they are doing their kids a favor by pushing so hard, but in the end they may end up hurting their kids both physically and mentally. An 8th grader who is not the same size as his teammates is at a disadvantage. He risks physical injury from not only his opponents but also from his teammates.

As a college recruiter, I can also tell you that the lacrosse world is a small world. Coaches all speak and. When they ask the question - what are the parents like? We must be honest with them. College coaches have zero interest in dealing with overbearing parents.

Be careful what you wish for.

Seriously, awesome post. Makes this board worth coming to. Thank you.

Hey helicopter parents (never heard that term before but its awesome) - you listening and taking notes? Better be, for the good of your kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only players that should get moved up should be exceptional. They should be classified as a potential starter. Why would you move kids up if they were not going to play? They would be better off playing on JV or 8th grade rather than sitting on the bench.

Some parents who "want" their kids moved up handle it in a real bad way. These are the helicopter parents hovering over everything their kids do. They think they are doing their kids a favor by pushing so hard, but in the end they may end up hurting their kids both physically and mentally. An 8th grader who is not the same size as his teammates is at a disadvantage. He risks physical injury from not only his opponents but also from his teammates.

As a college recruiter, I can also tell you that the lacrosse world is a small world. Coaches all speak and. When they ask the question - what are the parents like? We must be honest with them. College coaches have zero interest in dealing with overbearing parents.

Be careful what you wish for.

Seriously, awesome post. Makes this board worth coming to. Thank you.

Hey helicopter parents (never heard that term before but its awesome) - you listening and taking notes? Better be, for the good of your kids.

Its not healthy parenting and its not the stuff of healthy adult relationships either. Unless both parents are like that, I bet a study would reveal more unhappy marriages when one parent is so obsessed with youth sports and the other is not nearly as intense. Clearly, the overwhelming obsession with youth lacrosse (sports) by an adult is a symptom that their marriage and/or other aspects of their lives are a lot less interesting and they've found a great hobby/diversion. Question - what happens to your marriage when the kids move on? Trouble...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only players that should get moved up should be exceptional. They should be classified as a potential starter. Why would you move kids up if they were not going to play? They would be better off playing on JV or 8th grade rather than sitting on the bench.

Some parents who "want" their kids moved up handle it in a real bad way. These are the helicopter parents hovering over everything their kids do. They think they are doing their kids a favor by pushing so hard, but in the end they may end up hurting their kids both physically and mentally. An 8th grader who is not the same size as his teammates is at a disadvantage. He risks physical injury from not only his opponents but also from his teammates.

As a college recruiter, I can also tell you that the lacrosse world is a small world. Coaches all speak and. When they ask the question - what are the parents like? We must be honest with them. College coaches have zero interest in dealing with overbearing parents.

Be careful what you wish for.

Seriously, awesome post. Makes this board worth coming to. Thank you.

Hey helicopter parents (never heard that term before but its awesome) - you listening and taking notes? Better be, for the good of your kids.

Its not healthy parenting and its not the stuff of healthy adult relationships either. Unless both parents are like that, I bet a study would reveal more unhappy marriages when one parent is so obsessed with youth sports and the other is not nearly as intense. Clearly, the overwhelming obsession with youth lacrosse (sports) by an adult is a symptom that their marriage and/or other aspects of their lives are a lot less interesting and they've found a great hobby/diversion. Question - what happens to your marriage when the kids move on? Trouble...

Several things-

1- I believe (look back and confirm) that the discussion began about moving 8th graders up to JV or varsity, not just varsity. I believe most are considering JV which would seem appropriate for an above average player if that is the philosophy of that program. Too much focus on varsity has taken place without cause.

2- Parents love their kids, some can't help it and I agree, too much is a bad thing. However, what about all these club coaches and directors that themselves are coaching or have coached their own children, is that helicopter parenting as well? I would argue at times yes. In some cases these coaches are more than qualified to teach/coach their own (and my son), at other times they are there to give "Johnny" more opportunities. All parents need to assess what is really best for their kid.

3- Lastly, symptom?? overwhelming obsession?? Diversion?? Certainly you are entitled to your opinion, but Doc do we on BOTC owe you a copay?

Is this the Marriage Reality Blog. Thanks Dr [lacrosse] for your parenting evaluation of a marriage and people you have not met!!!!!

sage thanks for the update on shamrock. the 2017 matchups are very interesting and should be fun to watch those games. Lots of talent in the division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only players that should get moved up should be exceptional. They should be classified as a potential starter. Why would you move kids up if they were not going to play? They would be better off playing on JV or 8th grade rather than sitting on the bench.

Some parents who "want" their kids moved up handle it in a real bad way. These are the helicopter parents hovering over everything their kids do. They think they are doing their kids a favor by pushing so hard, but in the end they may end up hurting their kids both physically and mentally. An 8th grader who is not the same size as his teammates is at a disadvantage. He risks physical injury from not only his opponents but also from his teammates.

As a college recruiter, I can also tell you that the lacrosse world is a small world. Coaches all speak and. When they ask the question - what are the parents like? We must be honest with them. College coaches have zero interest in dealing with overbearing parents.

Be careful what you wish for.

These posts keep discussing bringing up the smaller 8th grader that gets out sized and pushed around. You keep bringing up the helicopter parents that hover and push their kid. What about the kid (& we have seen many come through LI schools) that are just "That good"! They dont have pushy, hoovering, overbearing parents that college coaches have zero interest in dealing with. They are just good parents who do right by their kid (who so happens to be talented)

What about those kids that are just talented, big, fast, strong, coachable, respectful? They just should NEVER be looked at to play @ the level they belong because some other parents are intimidated or angry?

There are MANY different stories and situation out here. To come on this board and make blanket statements is ridiculous. Just as you are sure there are so many crazy, pushy parents, I am sure there are thoughtful, concerned parents that are just doing what they, their child & their coaches feel is appropriate for them.

Take a look at what has come out of LI before us. A lot of those athletes were brought up because it was in the best interest for all concerned. We can only hope that of the many young lacrosse players that were chosen to be brought up, a few turn out to be just as good. Good luck to these boys!

Obviously there are issues like this all over the place in different schools. However, CSH has themselves to blame on this. On numerous occasions the school has catered to over aggressive parents on a number of issues. There are more than a handful of times when kids were supposed to be disciplined but were not for fear of the parents reactions and potential lawsuits. Black and white issues that were as clear as day - suspend the kids involved - nothing happened. Happened again this year.

There have been times at CSH when players were pulled up who should have never been pulled up and they sat on the bench and did not even contribute. Why pull them up? Why set the precedent? Happened the last few years at CSH.

To make matters worse, they are not very selective in who they pick to coach the younger kids. Screamers and yellers and former players who were thrown off their college teams? Great role models CSH!!

What's next?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only players that should get moved up should be exceptional. They should be classified as a potential starter. Why would you move kids up if they were not going to play? They would be better off playing on JV or 8th grade rather than sitting on the bench.

Some parents who "want" their kids moved up handle it in a real bad way. These are the helicopter parents hovering over everything their kids do. They think they are doing their kids a favor by pushing so hard, but in the end they may end up hurting their kids both physically and mentally. An 8th grader who is not the same size as his teammates is at a disadvantage. He risks physical injury from not only his opponents but also from his teammates.

As a college recruiter, I can also tell you that the lacrosse world is a small world. Coaches all speak and. When they ask the question - what are the parents like? We must be honest with them. College coaches have zero interest in dealing with overbearing parents.

Be careful what you wish for.

These posts keep discussing bringing up the smaller 8th grader that gets out sized and pushed around. You keep bringing up the helicopter parents that hover and push their kid. What about the kid (& we have seen many come through LI schools) that are just "That good"! They dont have pushy, hoovering, overbearing parents that college coaches have zero interest in dealing with. They are just good parents who do right by their kid (who so happens to be talented)

What about those kids that are just talented, big, fast, strong, coachable, respectful? They just should NEVER be looked at to play @ the level they belong because some other parents are intimidated or angry?

There are MANY different stories and situation out here. To come on this board and make blanket statements is ridiculous. Just as you are sure there are so many crazy, pushy parents, I am sure there are thoughtful, concerned parents that are just doing what they, their child & their coaches feel is appropriate for them.

Take a look at what has come out of LI before us. A lot of those athletes were brought up because it was in the best interest for all concerned. We can only hope that of the many young lacrosse players that were chosen to be brought up, a few turn out to be just as good. Good luck to these boys!

Re-read the first line of the posting that you posted about. "The only players that should get moved up should be exceptional." Pretty clear. No one is knocking the special athlete who may also be a great kid and may have great parents.

Need some advice. Is the Brine tournament in July (1st-3rd) worth it? I know it has been a bid deal in LI but less so in NJ. My son's club coach is giving him a hard time about missing practices to attend Brine. I know Jake Reed has historically been a bigger deal but don't know as much about Brine. Thoughts?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Need some advice. Is the Brine tournament in July (1st-3rd) worth it? I know it has been a bid deal in LI but less so in NJ. My son's club coach is giving him a hard time about missing practices to attend Brine. I know Jake Reed has historically been a bigger deal but don't know as much about Brine. Thoughts?

I've been converted. The kids are excited to play with different players and its always fun to see them play against and socialize with kids from around the country.. I say give it a go

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Need some advice. Is the Brine tournament in July (1st-3rd) worth it? I know it has been a bid deal in LI but less so in NJ. My son's club coach is giving him a hard time about missing practices to attend Brine. I know Jake Reed has historically been a bigger deal but don't know as much about Brine. Thoughts?

My son did it last year. Was a good couple of days, the competition was very good and it was cool playing against kids from all over the country. If your son is going to Jake Reed, i would say you could skip Brine. If your club coach is giving you static then its really not worth it. Its a good experience but really nothing more than a lax camp for our age group. Hope that helps.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Need some advice. Is the Brine tournament in July (1st-3rd) worth it? I know it has been a bid deal in LI but less so in NJ. My son's club coach is giving him a hard time about missing practices to attend Brine. I know Jake Reed has historically been a bigger deal but don't know as much about Brine. Thoughts?

My son did it last year. Was a good couple of days, the competition was very good and it was cool playing against kids from all over the country. If your son is going to Jake Reed, i would say you could skip Brine. If your club coach is giving you static then its really not worth it. Its a good experience but really nothing more than a lax camp for our age group. Hope that helps.

Many thanks, very helpful.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only players that should get moved up should be exceptional. They should be classified as a potential starter. Why would you move kids up if they were not going to play? They would be better off playing on JV or 8th grade rather than sitting on the bench.

Some parents who "want" their kids moved up handle it in a real bad way. These are the helicopter parents hovering over everything their kids do. They think they are doing their kids a favor by pushing so hard, but in the end they may end up hurting their kids both physically and mentally. An 8th grader who is not the same size as his teammates is at a disadvantage. He risks physical injury from not only his opponents but also from his teammates.

As a college recruiter, I can also tell you that the lacrosse world is a small world. Coaches all speak and. When they ask the question - what are the parents like? We must be honest with them. College coaches have zero interest in dealing with overbearing parents.

Be careful what you wish for.

These posts keep discussing bringing up the smaller 8th grader that gets out sized and pushed around. You keep bringing up the helicopter parents that hover and push their kid. What about the kid (& we have seen many come through LI schools) that are just "That good"! They dont have pushy, hoovering, overbearing parents that college coaches have zero interest in dealing with. They are just good parents who do right by their kid (who so happens to be talented)

What about those kids that are just talented, big, fast, strong, coachable, respectful? They just should NEVER be looked at to play @ the level they belong because some other parents are intimidated or angry?

There are MANY different stories and situation out here. To come on this board and make blanket statements is ridiculous. Just as you are sure there are so many crazy, pushy parents, I am sure there are thoughtful, concerned parents that are just doing what they, their child & their coaches feel is appropriate for them.

Take a look at what has come out of LI before us. A lot of those athletes were brought up because it was in the best interest for all concerned. We can only hope that of the many young lacrosse players that were chosen to be brought up, a few turn out to be just as good. Good luck to these boys!

Re-read the first line of the posting that you posted about. "The only players that should get moved up should be exceptional." Pretty clear. No one is knocking the special athlete who may also be a great kid and may have great parents.

Why so defenseive? This was not in regard to just your post. There have been MANY posts (look back over the past 2 pages)pointing out the downside to (knocking) being moved up. I am trying to point out some of the upside. Bottom line...there are MANY very talented young players whose parents are NOT lunatics. Good luck them!

since when did everyone turn into Opra??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

since when did everyone turn into Opra??

Who is Opra? Her name is Oprah genious. At least get the spelling right if you are tyring to be funny.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

since when did everyone turn into Opra??

Who is Opra? Her name is Oprah genious. At least get the spelling right if you are tyring to be funny.

Check UrbanDictionary.com for an interesting definition of the word genious (click here).

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

since when did everyone turn into Opra??

Who is Opra? Her name is Oprah genious. At least get the spelling right if you are tyring to be funny.

Check UrbanDictionary.com for an interesting definition of the word genious (click here).

"Opra", "Genious" & the urban dictionary...PERFECT!! This made my morning!

ha! that guy is great! can you define irony??
he is so busy going out of his way to correct someone else's spelling errors that he fails to check his own...

i know there is a life lesson in there somewhere

shamrock scores?

was anyone else surprised to hear 2017 True Blue's A team do a number on Mule's 91?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

was anyone else surprised to hear 2017 True Blue's A team do a number on Mule's 91?

Trueblue won the championship? ?

2017 express terps black won the championship game against true blue

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 express terps black won the championship game against true blue

Was a great hard fought game with both teams leaving it all on the field. Any LAX fan would have loved to see this game. It was a shame that either had to lose.

The combination these teams could form would be devastating if they ever did.

I predict a great rivalry here with either team winning on any given day. Truly the deepest pool of 2017 talent between these two teams.

just stop right there. No need to group, include or link your team or any of it's players with Terps Black. Terps won, today, as a team, together, so leave it at that.

There is talent on every team

Who won the B bracket?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 express terps black won the championship game against true blue

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who won the B bracket?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 express terps black won the championship game against true blue

Team LI u-13,it is mostly a 2018 group.

Great day of lacrosse in some cold conditions. I think all three Teams can beat each other on any given day, which makes for good competitive lacrosse. ( Terps, Team 91 and True Blue). I do think 91 is a little better then they showed, just a bad day. Terps are solid.( long pole middies make life tough on the other Team). True Blue played more of a Team game then in the past . Would like to see how fl$ would do against this group?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great day of lacrosse in some cold conditions. I think all three Teams can beat each other on any given day, which makes for good competitive lacrosse. ( Terps, Team 91 and True Blue). I do think 91 is a little better then they showed, just a bad day. Terps are solid.( long pole middies make life tough on the other Team). True Blue played more of a Team game then in the past . Would like to see how fl$ would do against this group?

Where were the Turtles in all of this? Local tournaments that don't involve a plane ride or 4 hour road trip not good enough?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

just stop right there. No need to group, include or link your team or any of it's players with Terps Black. Terps won, today, as a team, together, so leave it at that.

What? Aren't Terps BLACK and Terp two different teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great day of lacrosse in some cold conditions. I think all three Teams can beat each other on any given day, which makes for good competitive lacrosse. ( Terps, Team 91 and True Blue). I do think 91 is a little better then they showed, just a bad day. Terps are solid.( long pole middies make life tough on the other Team). True Blue played more of a Team game then in the past . Would like to see how fl$ would do against this group?

Disagree that all 3 can beat each other on any given day. 91 and fl$ not in that class, too slow. And fl$ attempted that mix indoor in NJ and got smoked. Terps Black holds two wins over Trueblue, TB has one win on Terps Black.

Turtles, terps black and TB, thats the mix.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

just stop right there. No need to group, include or link your team or any of it's players with Terps Black. Terps won, today, as a team, together, so leave it at that.

What? Aren't Terps BLACK and Terp two different teams?

Yes, two different teams. Black won.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great day of lacrosse in some cold conditions. I think all three Teams can beat each other on any given day, which makes for good competitive lacrosse. ( Terps, Team 91 and True Blue). I do think 91 is a little better then they showed, just a bad day. Terps are solid.( long pole middies make life tough on the other Team). True Blue played more of a Team game then in the past . Would like to see how fl$ would do against this group?

Where were the Turtles in all of this? Local tournaments that don't involve a plane ride or 4 hour road trip not good enough?

That is an interesting question. From a strictly observational perspective; only a few of their players have actually continued to grow physically to match their skill levels. While all good players, their physical stature at this point would appear to be a detrimental issue at several positions. History shows that they typically do not want to test the local waters with kids who have similar stick skills. They don't mind playing bigger teams with lesser skill levels in lands far,far away. At those locations, the turtle myth is larger than life.

Had they entered the Shamrock Shootout, it would have been a bit embarrassing, I would think, for them to try and take on the likes of Terps Black or True Blue. As good as their stick skills are, they don't currently have the size or speed or physical intensity to play with kids who have the same sets of stick skills. That field has definitely leveled off. Where they once were light years ahead in stick skills; the same cannot be said now as many of the 2017 long island class has grown and meet or surpasse those of the turtles.

From what I've heard, practices are limited, and it is rumored that they cannot even get a decent scrimmage scheduled. Bad karma has it's downside.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great day of lacrosse in some cold conditions. I think all three Teams can beat each other on any given day, which makes for good competitive lacrosse. ( Terps, Team 91 and True Blue). I do think 91 is a little better then they showed, just a bad day. Terps are solid.( long pole middies make life tough on the other Team). True Blue played more of a Team game then in the past . Would like to see how fl$ would do against this group?

Where were the Turtles in all of this? Local tournaments that don't involve a plane ride or 4 hour road trip not good enough?

That is an interesting question. From a strictly observational perspective; only a few of their players have actually continued to grow physically to match their skill levels. While all good players, their physical stature at this point would appear to be a detrimental issue at several positions. History shows that they typically do not want to test the local waters with kids who have similar stick skills. They don't mind playing bigger teams with lesser skill levels in lands far,far away. At those locations, the turtle myth is larger than life.

Had they entered the Shamrock Shootout, it would have been a bit embarrassing, I would think, for them to try and take on the likes of Terps Black or True Blue. As good as their stick skills are, they don't currently have the size or speed or physical intensity to play with kids who have the same sets of stick skills. That field has definitely leveled off. Where they once were light years ahead in stick skills; the same cannot be said now as many of the 2017 long island class has grown and meet or surpasse those of the turtles.

From what I've heard, practices are limited, and it is rumored that they cannot even get a decent scrimmage scheduled. Bad karma has it's downside.

On point.

Just curious if anybody knows how many Turtles have actually been moved up to JV in the traditional lacrosse power towns - GC, West Islip, Manhasset, Ward Melville, Massapequa etc.? Not talking about weaker school programs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curious if anybody knows how many Turtles have actually been moved up to JV in the traditional lacrosse power towns - GC, West Islip, Manhasset, Ward Melville, Massapequa etc.? Not talking about weaker school programs.

According to the Turtles website the boys are from the following towns: Would be particularly interested to hear about the CSH, Manhasset, Smithtown West and Ward Melville boys. These are tough towns to get moved up in.

Cold Spring Harbor 4
Manhasset 4
Smithtown East 4
Smithtown West 1
Hauppauge 1
Deer Park 1
Ward Melville 1
Kings Park 1
Sachem 1
Mt Sinai 1

Give us all a break. If you have a thing for them good for you. Most everyone could care less. Nobody cares. You can pat yourself on the back later.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curious if anybody knows how many Turtles have actually been moved up to JV in the traditional lacrosse power towns - GC, West Islip, Manhasset, Ward Melville, Massapequa etc.? Not talking about weaker school programs.

According to the Turtles website the boys are from the following towns: Would be particularly interested to hear about the CSH, Manhasset, Smithtown West and Ward Melville boys. These are tough towns to get moved up in.

Cold Spring Harbor 4
Manhasset 4
Smithtown East 4
Smithtown West 1
Hauppauge 1
Deer Park 1
Ward Melville 1
Kings Park 1
Sachem 1
Mt Sinai 1

If you believe the hype, they are starting JV at all these towns.

None of the "hardshells" are on the Manhasset JV

Just an FYI, in the Smithtown School District the AD has a strict, very strict rule. No athlete can be moved up one level as an 8th grader. You can only go up 2 levels and you have to play 75% of the game. In my humble opinion......ridiculous rule needs to be changed and updated. If a coach and parent agree that the 8th graders talent is good enough for JV or Varsity so be it. It is done all over the island and state. This would help build the program and athletes to feed the system.So you will not see any Team Smithtown, Turtles 91 or Express, True B, Gladiators, Jesters or whatever be moved up to JV and rarely to Varsity(exception:James Pannell -UVA)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curious if anybody knows how many Turtles have actually been moved up to JV in the traditional lacrosse power towns - GC, West Islip, Manhasset, Ward Melville, Massapequa etc.? Not talking about weaker school programs.

According to the Turtles website the boys are from the following towns: Would be particularly interested to hear about the CSH, Manhasset, Smithtown West and Ward Melville boys. These are tough towns to get moved up in.

Cold Spring Harbor 4
Manhasset 4
Smithtown East 4
Smithtown West 1
Hauppauge 1
Deer Park 1
Ward Melville 1
Kings Park 1
Sachem 1
Mt Sinai 1

If you believe the hype, they are starting JV at all these towns.

haha, plenty of 2017 from LI clubs like, 91, express terps blk and TB starting at JV in schools all over the island. Get off your high horse Mr Turtle, your ship might've sailed. If you were at SS yesterday I think you would see what people mean on here.

How many cooked up some excuse to be moved up such as

1-if you dont move me up I will just play with my club team.

2-If you dont move me up I will go to St. Ants

3-If you dont move me up i will go to Chaminade.

4-You can fill in the ______________.

We will see how it all plays out in a few more years!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great day of lacrosse in some cold conditions. I think all three Teams can beat each other on any given day, which makes for good competitive lacrosse. ( Terps, Team 91 and True Blue). I do think 91 is a little better then they showed, just a bad day. Terps are solid.( long pole middies make life tough on the other Team). True Blue played more of a Team game then in the past . Would like to see how fl$ would do against this group?

Disagree that all 3 can beat each other on any given day. 91 and fl$ not in that class, too slow. And fl$ attempted that mix indoor in NJ and got smoked. Terps Black holds two wins over Trueblue, TB has one win on Terps Black.

Turtles, terps black and TB, thats the mix.

Too slow? You are delusional! Lets see in the spring/summer, when it really counts. Indoor is no indication of real lacrosse. This group should make for some excitment. Any given Sunday...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many cooked up some excuse to be moved up such as

1-if you dont move me up I will just play with my club team.

2-If you dont move me up I will go to St. Ants

3-If you dont move me up i will go to Chaminade.

4-You can fill in the ______________.

We will see how it all plays out in a few more years!!!!

How about none of the above? Maybe just a phone call from the Varisty asking my kid to play up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

None of the "hardshells" are on the Manhasset JV

Did they try and not make it or didn't try at all? Should be the most awesome MS team EV-ahh!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

None of the "hardshells" are on the Manhasset JV

Did they try and not make it or didn't try at all? Should be the most awesome MS team EV-ahh!

Umm....they lost 2x each to CSH MS and GC MS with those same four shells on the team. Far from awesome

Originally Posted by Anonymous

None of the "hardshells" are on the Manhasset JV

Did they try and not make it or didn't try at all? Should be the most awesome MS team EV-ahh!

Umm....they lost 2x each to CSH MS and GC MS with those same four shells on the team. Far from awesome

But wait, Petro is still taking the whole team right?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

None of the "hardshells" are on the Manhasset JV

Did they try and not make it or didn't try at all? Should be the most awesome MS team EV-ahh!

Umm....they lost 2x each to CSH MS and GC MS with those same four shells on the team. Far from awesome

But wait, Petro is still taking the whole team right?

Actually, the Lizards need a few players and are calling them up so they will bypass college entirely.

There is not much difference between Terps Black and True Blue. Terps Black has more depth at Middie, True Blue has more depth at attack. Both teams have solid poles. Goalies are strong for both. Terps Black had no face off specialist and were rotating kids, True Blue goes with one solid face off kid.

After the games one of the refs said he let the kids play, so this Long Island style of play may or may not be able to be exported to environments where the officiating is more restrictive. However in this environment it makes for fun lacrosse.

so let me get this straight.. turtles play in a tournament in their age bracket and they get ripped. then they don't play in a tournament and get ripped. BOTC is a rough place

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is not much difference between Terps Black and True Blue. Terps Black has more depth at Middie, True Blue has more depth at attack. Both teams have solid poles. Goalies are strong for both. Terps Black had no face off specialist and were rotating kids, True Blue goes with one solid face off kid.

After the games one of the refs said he let the kids play, so this Long Island style of play may or may not be able to be exported to environments where the officiating is more restrictive. However in this environment it makes for fun lacrosse.

Your breakdown of the two teams is close to what I see also to some degree and in talking to some other 2017 LI dads.

I agree Terps Black has more depth at Middie than TB witch will help in summer. At Attack I respectfully disagree with you, stronger attack on Terps Black, FO, no doubt TB has a very strong young man at that spot and TB wins there over Black. Both teams are completely different Defensively, TB has a little size advantage on D with old school style smashers, where Terps Black is a fast athletic D that swarms, both defenses are relentless for sure. Goalies are both evenly very good! Nice to see both teams so strong for LI.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

so let me get this straight.. turtles play in a tournament in their age bracket and they get ripped. then they don't play in a tournament and get ripped. BOTC is a rough place

Easy big fella. Turtles are not getting ripped. Just trying to figure out next year's MLL draft and where each will go.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is not much difference between Terps Black and True Blue. Terps Black has more depth at Middie, True Blue has more depth at attack. Both teams have solid poles. Goalies are strong for both. Terps Black had no face off specialist and were rotating kids, True Blue goes with one solid face off kid.

After the games one of the refs said he let the kids play, so this Long Island style of play may or may not be able to be exported to environments where the officiating is more restrictive. However in this environment it makes for fun lacrosse.

Agree...both teams displaying good qualities that can only improve.

From what I've seen in several MD tournaments...our LI players are way behind in the use of aggression when skills of players are less than optimal as demonstrated by the Breakers and Crabs and Green Turtles....our kids will look like good guys compared to those goons.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is not much difference between Terps Black and True Blue. Terps Black has more depth at Middie, True Blue has more depth at attack. Both teams have solid poles. Goalies are strong for both. Terps Black had no face off specialist and were rotating kids, True Blue goes with one solid face off kid.

After the games one of the refs said he let the kids play, so this Long Island style of play may or may not be able to be exported to environments where the officiating is more restrictive. However in this environment it makes for fun lacrosse.

Agree...both teams displaying good qualities that can only improve.

From what I've seen in several MD tournaments...our LI players are way behind in the use of aggression when skills of players are less than optimal as demonstrated by the Breakers and Crabs and Green Turtles....our kids will look like good guys compared to those goons.

Dems fightin' words!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is not much difference between Terps Black and True Blue. Terps Black has more depth at Middie, True Blue has more depth at attack. Both teams have solid poles. Goalies are strong for both. Terps Black had no face off specialist and were rotating kids, True Blue goes with one solid face off kid.

After the games one of the refs said he let the kids play, so this Long Island style of play may or may not be able to be exported to environments where the officiating is more restrictive. However in this environment it makes for fun lacrosse.

Agree...both teams displaying good qualities that can only improve.

From what I've seen in several MD tournaments...our LI players are way behind in the use of aggression when skills of players are less than optimal as demonstrated by the Breakers and Crabs and Green Turtles....our kids will look like good guys compared to those goons.

Express terps (which is now black) has already played both Breakers and Green Turtle this year in Maryalnd, beat them both by at least 6.

you are nuts if you think any 2017 team on Long Island can even hang with the Turtles. They would beat any of these teams by at least 10 goals. Stop being silly and get real.

I plan to follow the 2017 Boys playing Varsity. ( I know this will only happen in the non traditional lacrosse towns) But it will be fun seeing what happens. I know of a bunch .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

you are nuts if you think any 2017 team on Long Island can even hang with the Turtles. They would beat any of these teams by at least 10 goals. Stop being silly and get real.

when the turtles enter a local tournamnet without being secretive about it and figure out how to repelace the 3rd grade size kids on their team; then maybe they will have a chance...until then, I can only say you're still drinking the turtle kool-aid, turtle dad. the writing is on the wall...the myth has dissolved and the mighty shell backs have failed to thrive physically...living on past glory at this point.

Have JD set up a 3 way scrimmage with the terps black and true blue and throw in 91 for all the marbles...he wont do it...he has everything to lose and nothing to gain.

there it is Turtles...an open challenge to bring it. put up or shut up, once and for all.

better yet; make your tournament schedule public so other teams can come and challenge you...(nah, why do that and take a chance at getting whipped by other long island teams?)

that is why they will hide and play teams that can't measure up to any current 2017 long island team. The real competition is right here in his back yard as evidenced by all of the kids who made brine and jake reed...can anyone say "turtle soup?

cowards

My son plays on one of those Teams, I appeciate the confidence. I feel the Turtles would beat us pretty good. I think they would beat all three. Thats just my opinion. Also, if my Son was asked to join the Turtles he would be thrilled.

If you want to beat them, get Mule to hand pick 17 kids from those three Teams and then maybe you can beat them.

Didn't there web site say they duck no one...just call
I wonder how they will respond to the challenge brought here. The poster of the challenge should recah out to JD directly and see his response. !!

wow, a lot of venom directed at a group of 13 year old boys? I cant believe the hatred and jealousy that is directed at this group of kids. My son plays for a mid level 2017 team and he has played with and against a lot of these Turtle kids for a few years now and it has always been my observation that the Turtle kids are good, hardworking kids. It has also been my experience that they have handled all comers at the 2017 level so far, including a recent fall matchup against the 2017 Terps team which they handled easily. I understand some of the animosity towards the coach, but I will never understand calling 13 year old boys cowards.........

They are the best team at the age group in the country, get used to it and over it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

you are nuts if you think any 2017 team on Long Island can even hang with the Turtles. They would beat any of these teams by at least 10 goals. Stop being silly and get real.

when the turtles enter a local tournamnet without being secretive about it and figure out how to repelace the 3rd grade size kids on their team; then maybe they will have a chance...until then, I can only say you're still drinking the turtle kool-aid, turtle dad. the writing is on the wall...the myth has dissolved and the mighty shell backs have failed to thrive physically...living on past glory at this point.

Have JD set up a 3 way scrimmage with the terps black and true blue and throw in 91 for all the marbles...he wont do it...he has everything to lose and nothing to gain.

there it is Turtles...an open challenge to bring it. put up or shut up, once and for all.

better yet; make your tournament schedule public so other teams can come and challenge you...(nah, why do that and take a chance at getting whipped by other long island teams?)

that is why they will hide and play teams that can't measure up to any current 2017 long island team. The real competition is right here in his back yard as evidenced by all of the kids who made brine and jake reed...can anyone say "turtle soup?

cowards

Dude get yourself some anger management! for the record that 13 year old you are referring to already has more balls, integrity, and leadership qualities than you will ever have or can ever hope your son has. Quite frankly its embarrassing to read such statements made by an adult.

Mule? Why are you saying he should pick 17 kids from TB, terp black and 91? Now Mule is the best evaluator of talent? Listen if you said take the best 10 from TB and best 10 from terps black NOW its another animal! 91 isn't in that mix! TB crushed them, not just 8-4 but a beating. If terps black beat TB twice, what do you think terps black would do to 91?

TB and Terps black in a different category than 91, as far as turtles it would be a good game between TB & turtles or terps black & turtles. Not a "blow out" either way.

I will say this about Mule, at least he stayed and watch the two teams play in the championship, several of us saw JD leave before it started.

Buddy, you are way too invested in your 14yr old. You need to get a hobby of your own. The Terps had a tryout process that lasted nine months, held about 100 practices and played around 10 tournaments. Guess what, they should be good. Unfortunately for you, it means absolutely nothing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

you are nuts if you think any 2017 team on Long Island can even hang with the Turtles. They would beat any of these teams by at least 10 goals. Stop being silly and get real.

when the turtles enter a local tournamnet without being secretive about it and figure out how to repelace the 3rd grade size kids on their team; then maybe they will have a chance...until then, I can only say you're still drinking the turtle kool-aid, turtle dad. the writing is on the wall...the myth has dissolved and the mighty shell backs have failed to thrive physically...living on past glory at this point.

Have JD set up a 3 way scrimmage with the terps black and true blue and throw in 91 for all the marbles...he wont do it...he has everything to lose and nothing to gain.

there it is Turtles...an open challenge to bring it. put up or shut up, once and for all.

better yet; make your tournament schedule public so other teams can come and challenge you...(nah, why do that and take a chance at getting whipped by other long island teams?)

that is why they will hide and play teams that can't measure up to any current 2017 long island team. The real competition is right here in his back yard as evidenced by all of the kids who made brine and jake reed...can anyone say "turtle soup?

cowards

You guys are so ridiculous its embarrassing. Let the kids be 8th graders for God's sake. Recruiters don't care if Turtles beat Terps Black or True Blue. Stop living through your kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

wow, a lot of venom directed at a group of 13 year old boys? I cant believe the hatred and jealousy that is directed at this group of kids. My son plays for a mid level 2017 team and he has played with and against a lot of these Turtle kids for a few years now and it has always been my observation that the Turtle kids are good, hardworking kids. It has also been my experience that they have handled all comers at the 2017 level so far, including a recent fall matchup against the 2017 Terps team which they handled easily. I understand some of the animosity towards the coach, but I will never understand calling 13 year old boys cowards.........

They are the best team at the age group in the country, get used to it and over it.

Terp fall match up vs turtles was AFTER a fall tournament where the terps went 3-0 and the turtles went 2-1 in the same bracket. It was a pick up game at the end of the day, the current Terp Black players for about the first half where the score was turtles up by 1 or 2 goals. 2nd half, well not the same terps personal. Please do your homework before you come on here and say things that are misleading and false. But than again your son is NOT on the turtles right? He's on a "mid level 2017 team" but you respect and love the turtle team so much you found the need to support them on here, very nice of you!

I dont believe I said anything false or misleading. If my information was correct the Turtles ended up winning by 7 or 8 goals? If I am wrong then I apologize, but I watched some of the game and the Turtles were clearly better. For you to call it a "pick up" game is misleading and false. My son is not a Turtle as a matter of fact, I just dont understand the jealousy and hatred directed towards them, nor do I understand grown men calling 13yr old boys "cowards". I also dont understand people like yourself that feel the need to come on here and explain how the Express "Terps" black or whatever your calling that team these days are better than everyone else. You have a very good team there, why cant you just leave it at that? Be happy your son is on a good team.

The Turtle bashing on this forum is comical, They are the class of the 8th grade teams. The team everyone else is shooting for, no one has gotten them yet BUT they will and soon. Even JD has to admit that half his team has already peaked physically, and Petro is not looking for a 5 foot tall attackmen or F/O.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I dont believe I said anything false or misleading. If my information was correct the Turtles ended up winning by 7 or 8 goals? If I am wrong then I apologize, but I watched some of the game and the Turtles were clearly better. For you to call it a "pick up" game is misleading and false. My son is not a Turtle as a matter of fact, I just dont understand the jealousy and hatred directed towards them, nor do I understand grown men calling 13yr old boys "cowards". I also dont understand people like yourself that feel the need to come on here and explain how the Express "Terps" black or whatever your calling that team these days are better than everyone else. You have a very good team there, why cant you just leave it at that? Be happy your son is on a good team.

Actually the score was 16-2 against the terps and 29-8 against 91 orange indoors less seven turtle kids. I know I know indoor means nothing and you are correct. Outdoors would have been a shutout

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Didn't there web site say they duck no one...just call
I wonder how they will respond to the challenge brought here. The poster of the challenge should recah out to JD directly and see his response. !!

Be careful what you wish for, for all your tough talk its your team thats going to have to play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

cowards

obviously that was meant at the coaches...the kids are great.

Well said. As far as college recruiters go, wins and losses on a club team no matter what club team means absolutely nothing!!! All that matters is how that kid plays. Especially at showcases when he is NOT playing with his buddies or being coached by a dad!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mule? Why are you saying he should pick 17 kids from TB, terp black and 91? Now Mule is the best evaluator of talent? Listen if you said take the best 10 from TB and best 10 from terps black NOW its another animal! 91 isn't in that mix! TB crushed them, not just 8-4 but a beating. If terps black beat TB twice, what do you think terps black would do to 91?

TB and Terps black in a different category than 91, as far as turtles it would be a good game between TB & turtles or terps black & turtles. Not a "blow out" either way.

I will say this about Mule, at least he stayed and watch the two teams play in the championship, several of us saw JD leave before it started.

Were you at the 91 VS TB game? It was 7-5 & TB won the game by out playing 91 that day, period. TB outplayed Terps Black in the first game also! I dont care if it was cut short, they outplayed Terps! No one is on here saying "they took a beating" or got "crushed". Have some class. These are 13 year old boys & even they know enough not to trash talk eachother. There is some amazing talent @ this age level on several different LI teams. It just takes the obnoxious Express "Lax daddy" to turn this to s*#t! To take 91 (or fl$ or any other team) out of the running & to annoint yourselves in another level because you won a March tournament is pathetic!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I dont believe I said anything false or misleading. If my information was correct the Turtles ended up winning by 7 or 8 goals? If I am wrong then I apologize, but I watched some of the game and the Turtles were clearly better. For you to call it a "pick up" game is misleading and false. My son is not a Turtle as a matter of fact, I just dont understand the jealousy and hatred directed towards them, nor do I understand grown men calling 13yr old boys "cowards". I also dont understand people like yourself that feel the need to come on here and explain how the Express "Terps" black or whatever your calling that team these days are better than everyone else. You have a very good team there, why cant you just leave it at that? Be happy your son is on a good team.

Actually the score was 16-2 against the terps and 29-8 against 91 orange indoors less seven turtle kids. I know I know indoor means nothing and you are correct. Outdoors would have been a shutout

Turtles are the "TOP". They beat us by more than a few goals, this should not be disputed. We (actually, my boy's team) can take and learn from this. Please be more accurate with your score report, and stop with the "less 7 kids" stuff. It was not the case. As I said, Turtles are the best in their age, hands down. Stirring the crap..... it can't be THAT much fun. I DID, however, giggle about a couple of the Turtle DAD'S "schtick"s during the game. You know, the one where a guy with deficiencies won't return a smile or a nod, and wants you to feel as if you had woken him up from hibernation to take his son here, only to beat your team by over 10 goals. ONE thing for sure- the Dads' deficiencies are likely NOT income based, nor kids' lax abilities! Have fun and enjoy- GO TURTLES! MAKING LI PROUD!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mule? Why are you saying he should pick 17 kids from TB, terp black and 91? Now Mule is the best evaluator of talent? Listen if you said take the best 10 from TB and best 10 from terps black NOW its another animal! 91 isn't in that mix! TB crushed them, not just 8-4 but a beating. If terps black beat TB twice, what do you think terps black would do to 91?

TB and Terps black in a different category than 91, as far as turtles it would be a good game between TB & turtles or terps black & turtles. Not a "blow out" either way.

I will say this about Mule, at least he stayed and watch the two teams play in the championship, several of us saw JD leave before it started.

Were you at the 91 VS TB game? It was 7-5 & TB won the game by out playing 91 that day, period. TB outplayed Terps Black in the first game also! I dont care if it was cut short, they outplayed Terps! No one is on here saying "they took a beating" or got "crushed". Have some class. These are 13 year old boys & even they know enough not to trash talk eachother. There is some amazing talent @ this age level on several different LI teams. It just takes the obnoxious Express "Lax daddy" to turn this to s*#t! To take 91 (or fl$ or any other team) out of the running & to annoint yourselves in another level because you won a March tournament is pathetic!

I'd like to share an observation. I had noticed how nice it was to see boys from 3 or more clubs rally around a hurt comrade on the field as he was taken away among lights and siren. Just wish that I had thought to shoot a photo. Keep it up, boys. It's kind of a shame that the "High End team" (which is so typically target of such BS on here) can't be part of these gatherings. Once more- the boys are fine with one another. The parents are threatened.

At this point the Turtles are so far beyond beating up on local teams just for the heck of it. Unless college coaches are watching, Turtles are not interested.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At this point the Turtles are so far beyond beating up on local teams just for the heck of it. Unless college coaches are watching, Turtles are not interested.

fair enough. good evening

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mule? Why are you saying he should pick 17 kids from TB, terp black and 91? Now Mule is the best evaluator of talent? Listen if you said take the best 10 from TB and best 10 from terps black NOW its another animal! 91 isn't in that mix! TB crushed them, not just 8-4 but a beating. If terps black beat TB twice, what do you think terps black would do to 91?

TB and Terps black in a different category than 91, as far as turtles it would be a good game between TB & turtles or terps black & turtles. Not a "blow out" either way.

I will say this about Mule, at least he stayed and watch the two teams play in the championship, several of us saw JD leave before it started.

Were you at the 91 VS TB game? It was 7-5 & TB won the game by out playing 91 that day, period. TB outplayed Terps Black in the first game also! I dont care if it was cut short, they outplayed Terps! No one is on here saying "they took a beating" or got "crushed". Have some class. These are 13 year old boys & even they know enough not to trash talk eachother. There is some amazing talent @ this age level on several different LI teams. It just takes the obnoxious Express "Lax daddy" to turn this to s*#t! To take 91 (or fl$ or any other team) out of the running & to annoint yourselves in another level because you won a March tournament is pathetic!

How do you know its an "Express Daddy"? You don't know that. People stir things up. Im an Express parent of a express player and I take exception of the accusation you made without any proof. And you call someone OBNOXIOUS? Pot meet kettle.

BTW, this comment "I dont care if it was cut short". Really? How could you not care? It wasn't a complete game. But the championship game was.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mule? Why are you saying he should pick 17 kids from TB, terp black and 91? Now Mule is the best evaluator of talent? Listen if you said take the best 10 from TB and best 10 from terps black NOW its another animal! 91 isn't in that mix! TB crushed them, not just 8-4 but a beating. If terps black beat TB twice, what do you think terps black would do to 91?

TB and Terps black in a different category than 91, as far as turtles it would be a good game between TB & turtles or terps black & turtles. Not a "blow out" either way.

I will say this about Mule, at least he stayed and watch the two teams play in the championship, several of us saw JD leave before it started.

Were you at the 91 VS TB game? It was 7-5 & TB won the game by out playing 91 that day, period. TB outplayed Terps Black in the first game also! I dont care if it was cut short, they outplayed Terps! No one is on here saying "they took a beating" or got "crushed". Have some class. These are 13 year old boys & even they know enough not to trash talk eachother. There is some amazing talent @ this age level on several different LI teams. It just takes the obnoxious Express "Lax daddy" to turn this to s*#t! To take 91 (or fl$ or any other team) out of the running & to annoint yourselves in another level because you won a March tournament is pathetic!

How do you know its an "Express Daddy"? You don't know that. People stir things up. Im an Express parent of a express player and I take exception of the accusation you made without any proof. And you call someone OBNOXIOUS? Pot meet kettle.

BTW, this comment "I dont care if it was cut short". Really? How could you not care? It wasn't a complete game. But the championship game was.

Great teams...all of them and such good sportsmanship by all. It's great watching them all share tents and chairs and goofing around like kids are supposed to. And great LAX to watch as well!!

Can anyone please tell us how the injured boy made out? We all hope he's ok.

lets stay positive

Anyone that watched True Blue 2017 play Sunday, must give them credit for dominating ground balls against every team, all day long... TB did not beat 91, and terps black with fancy passes and accurate shots... TB takes puts the ball on the ground and picks it up. simple.

they were really good last year, and added 4 or 5 8th graders playing JV this year.

I never saw turtles play, but hard to imagine giving turtles an automatic win against a team as big, fast, and nasty as TB

never saw the turtles play, but I'll bet you would not be so sure, if you saw that True Blue team get after it...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lets stay positive

Anyone that watched True Blue 2017 play Sunday, must give them credit for dominating ground balls against every team, all day long... TB did not beat 91, and terps black with fancy passes and accurate shots... TB takes puts the ball on the ground and picks it up. simple.

they were really good last year, and added 4 or 5 8th graders playing JV this year.

I never saw turtles play, but hard to imagine giving turtles an automatic win against a team as big, fast, and nasty as TB

I'll give you that observation, but you have to concur that the Terps Black managed to overcome their initial first game lock up and put together an impressive win over TB for the championship. Thus, you can say the same about it being hard to imagine giving the turtles auto wins over either team. They are both big and strong and relentless. I was impressed and thoroughly enjoyed watching what amounted to a JV level game. Would you agree?

Say something after you actually see Turtles play.

Sorry to burst your bubble but the Turtles would beat true blue by 10 goals. Don't know what u people are thinking

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lets stay positive

Anyone that watched True Blue 2017 play Sunday, must give them credit for dominating ground balls against every team, all day long... TB did not beat 91, and terps black with fancy passes and accurate shots... TB takes puts the ball on the ground and picks it up. simple.

they were really good last year, and added 4 or 5 8th graders playing JV this year.

I never saw turtles play, but hard to imagine giving turtles an automatic win against a team as big, fast, and nasty as TB

I'll give you that observation, but you have to concur that the Terps Black managed to overcome their initial first game lock up and put together an impressive win over TB for the championship. Thus, you can say the same about it being hard to imagine giving the turtles auto wins over either team. They are both big and strong and relentless. I was impressed and thoroughly enjoyed watching what amounted to a JV level game. Would you agree?

I agree. Except it was more of a varsity level between those two teams on sunday.
Both TB and TERP Black play fast and angry with size. Coaches from younger teams on the sidelines thought they were older than 8th grade from stick skills.

I would assume the turtles can play the same way just not sure if they can bring that same nastiness those two teams bring to the table., but who knows or cares. Best part, NO FIGHTS in the two games against each other which was nice to see after indoor in winter NJ!

Chaminade dominates saint Anthony's during the season and low& behold during the championship game , who prevails. Saint Anthony's . See any similarities? When its for all the marbles who prevails?

10 margin is a fair estimate. I know both Teams well. But why does it matter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Chaminade dominates saint Anthony's during the season and low& behold during the championship game , who prevails. Saint Anthony's . See any similarities? When its for all the marbles who prevails?

What does that have to do with the topic???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lets stay positive

Anyone that watched True Blue 2017 play Sunday, must give them credit for dominating ground balls against every team, all day long... TB did not beat 91, and terps black with fancy passes and accurate shots... TB takes puts the ball on the ground and picks it up. simple.

they were really good last year, and added 4 or 5 8th graders playing JV this year.

I never saw turtles play, but hard to imagine giving turtles an automatic win against a team as big, fast, and nasty as TB

I'll give you that observation, but you have to concur that the Terps Black managed to overcome their initial first game lock up and put together an impressive win over TB for the championship. Thus, you can say the same about it being hard to imagine giving the turtles auto wins over either team. They are both big and strong and relentless. I was impressed and thoroughly enjoyed watching what amounted to a JV level game. Would you agree?

I agree. Except it was more of a varsity level between those two teams on sunday.
Both TB and TERP Black play fast and angry with size. Coaches from younger teams on the sidelines thought they were older than 8th grade from stick skills.

I would assume the turtles can play the same way just not sure if they can bring that same nastiness those two teams bring to the table., but who knows or cares. Best part, NO FIGHTS in the two games against each other which was nice to see after indoor in winter NJ!

You are proud of 8th grade boys playing "nasty" and "angry"? Please get a grip. Teams that need to play that way are the ones that get frustrated that the the other team can move the ball around and score.

What about the terps (not terps black) are they any good?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

never saw the turtles play, but I'll bet you would not be so sure, if you saw that True Blue team get after it...

How much you got?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lets stay positive

Anyone that watched True Blue 2017 play Sunday, must give them credit for dominating ground balls against every team, all day long... TB did not beat 91, and terps black with fancy passes and accurate shots... TB takes puts the ball on the ground and picks it up. simple.

they were really good last year, and added 4 or 5 8th graders playing JV this year.

I never saw turtles play, but hard to imagine giving turtles an automatic win against a team as big, fast, and nasty as TB

I'll give you that observation, but you have to concur that the Terps Black managed to overcome their initial first game lock up and put together an impressive win over TB for the championship. Thus, you can say the same about it being hard to imagine giving the turtles auto wins over either team. They are both big and strong and relentless. I was impressed and thoroughly enjoyed watching what amounted to a JV level game. Would you agree?

I agree. Except it was more of a varsity level between those two teams on sunday.
Both TB and TERP Black play fast and angry with size. Coaches from younger teams on the sidelines thought they were older than 8th grade from stick skills.

I would assume the turtles can play the same way just not sure if they can bring that same nastiness those two teams bring to the table., but who knows or cares. Best part, NO FIGHTS in the two games against each other which was nice to see after indoor in winter NJ!

You are proud of 8th grade boys playing "nasty" and "angry"? Please get a grip. Teams that need to play that way are the ones that get frustrated that the the other team can move the ball around and score.

Part of the GAME. Its not swimming or golf. Fine line between intensity and rage , I would say both terps black and TB play with a lot of intensity.

The Terps are a good team but if you include the Turtles they are the Express' C team out of 6 2017 teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What about the terps (not terps black) are they any good?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

never saw the turtles play, but I'll bet you would not be so sure, if you saw that True Blue team get after it...

How much you got?

LOL. I think it would be more entertaining if the parents strapped the gear on and played the game. You guys need to get a grip on reality.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lets stay positive

Anyone that watched True Blue 2017 play Sunday, must give them credit for dominating ground balls against every team, all day long... TB did not beat 91, and terps black with fancy passes and accurate shots... TB takes puts the ball on the ground and picks it up. simple.

they were really good last year, and added 4 or 5 8th graders playing JV this year.

I never saw turtles play, but hard to imagine giving turtles an automatic win against a team as big, fast, and nasty as TB

I'll give you that observation, but you have to concur that the Terps Black managed to overcome their initial first game lock up and put together an impressive win over TB for the championship. Thus, you can say the same about it being hard to imagine giving the turtles auto wins over either team. They are both big and strong and relentless. I was impressed and thoroughly enjoyed watching what amounted to a JV level game. Would you agree?

I agree. Except it was more of a varsity level between those two teams on sunday.
Both TB and TERP Black play fast and angry with size. Coaches from younger teams on the sidelines thought they were older than 8th grade from stick skills.

I would assume the turtles can play the same way just not sure if they can bring that same nastiness those two teams bring to the table., but who knows or cares. Best part, NO FIGHTS in the two games against each other which was nice to see after indoor in winter NJ!

You are proud of 8th grade boys playing "nasty" and "angry"? Please get a grip. Teams that need to play that way are the ones that get frustrated that the the other team can move the ball around and score.

Game has changed from the 80-90s to now people. There are bigger better athletes playing lacrosse now than there ever was. Many of the B teams are just as good stick skill wise as the A teams but you will notice there usually is a slight size difference in favor of the A teams yes there is the exception that some A teams have some smaller players sprinkled in but as a whole most players are bigger. Now when you say nastiness I agree its more like speed of the game and the ability to hit and take a hit. This wears out the smaller teams that will hang with the A teams then they get physically worn down because of the size difference. Kids are bigger and faster than ever and hitting puberty earlier. With the one sport specialization kids skills are also higher than ever.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lets stay positive

Anyone that watched True Blue 2017 play Sunday, must give them credit for dominating ground balls against every team, all day long... TB did not beat 91, and terps black with fancy passes and accurate shots... TB takes puts the ball on the ground and picks it up. simple.

they were really good last year, and added 4 or 5 8th graders playing JV this year.

I never saw turtles play, but hard to imagine giving turtles an automatic win against a team as big, fast, and nasty as TB

I'll give you that observation, but you have to concur that the Terps Black managed to overcome their initial first game lock up and put together an impressive win over TB for the championship. Thus, you can say the same about it being hard to imagine giving the turtles auto wins over either team. They are both big and strong and relentless. I was impressed and thoroughly enjoyed watching what amounted to a JV level game. Would you agree?

I agree. Except it was more of a varsity level between those two teams on sunday.
Both TB and TERP Black play fast and angry with size. Coaches from younger teams on the sidelines thought they were older than 8th grade from stick skills.

I would assume the turtles can play the same way just not sure if they can bring that same nastiness those two teams bring to the table., but who knows or cares. Best part, NO FIGHTS in the two games against each other which was nice to see after indoor in winter NJ!

You are proud of 8th grade boys playing "nasty" and "angry"? Please get a grip. Teams that need to play that way are the ones that get frustrated that the the other team can move the ball around and score.

Game has changed from the 80-90s to now people. There are bigger better athletes playing lacrosse now than there ever was. Many of the B teams are just as good stick skill wise as the A teams but you will notice there usually is a slight size difference in favor of the A teams yes there is the exception that some A teams have some smaller players sprinkled in but as a whole most players are bigger. Now when you say nastiness I agree its more like speed of the game and the ability to hit and take a hit. This wears out the smaller teams that will hang with the A teams then they get physically worn down because of the size difference. Kids are bigger and faster than ever and hitting puberty earlier. With the one sport specialization kids skills are also higher than ever.

"hitting puberty earlier."

oh please share with us what journal you are citing with this (fact)....

Fact- some of the most physically dominant kids on the teams centered in this most recent discussion should, based on birth year, be in 9th grade. Others, yes, men among boys.

Well...since you asked....

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/20/health/boys-early-puberty

[/quote]fact- some of the most physically dominant kids on the teams centered in this most recent discussion should, based on birth year, be in 9th grade. Others, yes, men among boys. [/quote]

That is absolutely 100% true!

"hitting puberty earlier."

oh please share with us what journal you are citing with this (fact)....

Fact- some of the most physically dominant kids on the teams centered in this most recent discussion should, based on birth year, be in 9th grade. Others, yes, men among boys.

To some degree you are both right. My son is in 8th grade. He hit puberty in 6th, is 5'10'', 155lbs ,fast, agreessive and tough. If you saw him you would think 9th or even 10th grader. That said smaller kids than him start ahead of him on his travel team and were moved to JV this year. Why? b/c his lax IQ and stick skills need improvement. I am confident with good coaching that he will improve. Kids all grow at different rates and some will "pop" up in HS. If the turtles are really that small IMO when they have a growth spurt they will be dangerous because than the whole package will be complete.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lets stay positive

Anyone that watched True Blue 2017 play Sunday, must give them credit for dominating ground balls against every team, all day long... TB did not beat 91, and terps black with fancy passes and accurate shots... TB takes puts the ball on the ground and picks it up. simple.

they were really good last year, and added 4 or 5 8th graders playing JV this year.

I never saw turtles play, but hard to imagine giving turtles an automatic win against a team as big, fast, and nasty as TB

I'll give you that observation, but you have to concur that the Terps Black managed to overcome their initial first game lock up and put together an impressive win over TB for the championship. Thus, you can say the same about it being hard to imagine giving the turtles auto wins over either team. They are both big and strong and relentless. I was impressed and thoroughly enjoyed watching what amounted to a JV level game. Would you agree?

I agree. Except it was more of a varsity level between those two teams on sunday.
Both TB and TERP Black play fast and angry with size. Coaches from younger teams on the sidelines thought they were older than 8th grade from stick skills.

I would assume the turtles can play the same way just not sure if they can bring that same nastiness those two teams bring to the table., but who knows or cares. Best part, NO FIGHTS in the two games against each other which was nice to see after indoor in winter NJ!

You are proud of 8th grade boys playing "nasty" and "angry"? Please get a grip. Teams that need to play that way are the ones that get frustrated that the the other team can move the ball around and score.

Game has changed from the 80-90s to now people. There are bigger better athletes playing lacrosse now than there ever was. Many of the B teams are just as good stick skill wise as the A teams but you will notice there usually is a slight size difference in favor of the A teams yes there is the exception that some A teams have some smaller players sprinkled in but as a whole most players are bigger. Now when you say nastiness I agree its more like speed of the game and the ability to hit and take a hit. This wears out the smaller teams that will hang with the A teams then they get physically worn down because of the size difference. Kids are bigger and faster than ever and hitting puberty earlier. With the one sport specialization kids skills are also higher than ever.

"hitting puberty earlier."

oh please share with us what journal you are citing with this (fact)....

Fact- some of the most physically dominant kids on the teams centered in this most recent discussion should, based on birth year, be in 9th grade. Others, yes, men among boys.

Study in the American Academy of Pediatrics, Endocrine Study at Stamford,, Childrens Hospital in Cincinnati, and many more are saying boys and girls are hitting puberty 2 years earlier than years past. So there is your proof. Some hit it earlier than others. My son for instance is in 7th grade 12 years old 5'6 weighs in at 165 and has not hit puberty yet. I am really curious what will happen when he does hit puberty. Gosh he might not grow anymore hey it's mother nature you never know. Right now he is Always getting accused of being older than he is. He also gets treated by adults differently because he is bigger than his peers in group situations. In some cases these kids who people claim to be older might have just hit puberty earlier or are just bigger. It's Gattaca ahhhh.. Again it's just what I have observed in the elite level of teams. One boy who is just as fast and good as another fighting for a ground ball but out weighs the other kid by 20 pounds will most likely win 7 out of 10 ground balls and as the game goes on might win more. eventually all players will reach puberty and catch up. There there is just genetics where some are taller, faster etc. so stop complaining. Until you have proof all your allegations are just that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lets stay positive

Anyone that watched True Blue 2017 play Sunday, must give them credit for dominating ground balls against every team, all day long... TB did not beat 91, and terps black with fancy passes and accurate shots... TB takes puts the ball on the ground and picks it up. simple.

they were really good last year, and added 4 or 5 8th graders playing JV this year.

I never saw turtles play, but hard to imagine giving turtles an automatic win against a team as big, fast, and nasty as TB

I'll give you that observation, but you have to concur that the Terps Black managed to overcome their initial first game lock up and put together an impressive win over TB for the championship. Thus, you can say the same about it being hard to imagine giving the turtles auto wins over either team. They are both big and strong and relentless. I was impressed and thoroughly enjoyed watching what amounted to a JV level game. Would you agree?

I agree. Except it was more of a varsity level between those two teams on sunday.
Both TB and TERP Black play fast and angry with size. Coaches from younger teams on the sidelines thought they were older than 8th grade from stick skills.

I would assume the turtles can play the same way just not sure if they can bring that same nastiness those two teams bring to the table., but who knows or cares. Best part, NO FIGHTS in the two games against each other which was nice to see after indoor in winter NJ!

You are proud of 8th grade boys playing "nasty" and "angry"? Please get a grip. Teams that need to play that way are the ones that get frustrated that the the other team can move the ball around and score.

Game has changed from the 80-90s to now people. There are bigger better athletes playing lacrosse now than there ever was. Many of the B teams are just as good stick skill wise as the A teams but you will notice there usually is a slight size difference in favor of the A teams yes there is the exception that some A teams have some smaller players sprinkled in but as a whole most players are bigger. Now when you say nastiness I agree its more like speed of the game and the ability to hit and take a hit. This wears out the smaller teams that will hang with the A teams then they get physically worn down because of the size difference. Kids are bigger and faster than ever and hitting puberty earlier. With the one sport specialization kids skills are also higher than ever.

"hitting puberty earlier."

oh please share with us what journal you are citing with this (fact)....

Fact- some of the most physically dominant kids on the teams centered in this most recent discussion should, based on birth year, be in 9th grade. Others, yes, men among boys.

can you substantiate that claim of age discrepancies? please do provide documentation.

Big kids are over rated

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Big kids are over rated

...said the guy with the small kid... ;-)

I hate to ask. Since the Boys begin High school next year how does the talent look for the private schools at this age group?

Talent looks good. All the big kids are going private.Small kids public.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Big kids are over rated

...said the guy with the small kid... ;-)

Speed is the ultimate neutralizer!

It's called the fasted game on two feet, not the game with the biggest kids.

every team has there share of "Early peakers" ... an 8th grade man child will NOT be the same player 4 years from now... ask a college coach why early commits are rarely working out

turtles- 5 practices a week... see "diminishing returns"...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

every team has there share of "Early peakers" ... an 8th grade man child will NOT be the same player 4 years from now... ask a college coach why early commits are rarely working out

How can you say "an 8th grade man child will NOT be the same player 4 years from now"...you dont even know these "Early Peakers". Some may not & some may be the best lacrosse players a college coach has ever seen! Such a ridiculous statement to make...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mule? Why are you saying he should pick 17 kids from TB, terp black and 91? Now Mule is the best evaluator of talent? Listen if you said take the best 10 from TB and best 10 from terps black NOW its another animal! 91 isn't in that mix! TB crushed them, not just 8-4 but a beating. If terps black beat TB twice, what do you think terps black would do to 91?

TB and Terps black in a different category than 91, as far as turtles it would be a good game between TB & turtles or terps black & turtles. Not a "blow out" either way.

I will say this about Mule, at least he stayed and watch the two teams play in the championship, several of us saw JD leave before it started.

Were you at the 91 VS TB game? It was 7-5 & TB won the game by out playing 91 that day, period. TB outplayed Terps Black in the first game also! I dont care if it was cut short, they outplayed Terps! No one is on here saying "they took a beating" or got "crushed". Have some class. These are 13 year old boys & even they know enough not to trash talk eachother. There is some amazing talent @ this age level on several different LI teams. It just takes the obnoxious Express "Lax daddy" to turn this to s*#t! To take 91 (or fl$ or any other team) out of the running & to annoint yourselves in another level because you won a March tournament is pathetic!

How do you know its an "Express Daddy"? You don't know that. People stir things up. Im an Express parent of a express player and I take exception of the accusation you made without any proof. And you call someone OBNOXIOUS? Pot meet kettle.

BTW, this comment "I dont care if it was cut short". Really? How could you not care? It wasn't a complete game. But the championship game was.

I find it amazing that you take exception to the accusation of the "obnoxious Express Lax Daddy" but, you dont take exception to the past 3 days of posts on this thread regarding 13 year olds by ADULTS!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Big kids are over rated

...said the guy with the small kid... ;-)

Speed is the ultimate neutralizer!

It's called the fasted game on two feet, not the game with the biggest kids.

Ahhh I have said just as fast and same stick skills but bigger. So we are on the same page. Guys we are talking about puberty here. Some kids peak early in height while others continue to grow. You never know.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

turtles- 5 practices a week... see "diminishing returns"...

Why so much hate to Turtles?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

turtles- 5 practices a week... see "diminishing returns"...

Get your facts straight!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

turtles- 5 practices a week... see "diminishing returns"...

Why so much HATE to the Turtles?
Are you the parent who was asked to leave from Turtles team ?
Just let it go. Your son is a very good player and let him play.

[b][/b]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Big kids are over rated

...said the guy with the small kid... ;-)

Speed is the ultimate neutralizer!

It's called the fasted game on two feet, not the game with the biggest kids.

Ahhh I have said just as fast and same stick skills but bigger. So we are on the same page. Guys we are talking about puberty here. Some kids peak early in height while others continue to grow. You never know.

So let me get this straight, you have kids that are fast, big, and great stick skills??? why the [lacrosse] would you waste your money on club lacrosse, sounds like you have the next Gary gait.
bit of advice, don't poke the sleeping bear!

9-11 True Blue kids say they are going to Chaminade...
any idea of how many terps and or turtles rumored to go to St Anthony's or chaminade?

to answer "why all the hate on the turtles?".... I don't think the "hate" is on the turtles, but its for some of the arrogant responses from the turtle PARENTS on the discussion board...

NOTICE - all other club (TB, 91, etc...) parents seem to be able to credit other club teams for their strengths and talents after watching the competition
But why is it when the discussion compares the contrasting styles of play to the turtles, the response(s) from turtle nation are defensive and condescending??

...just maybe it because some of the up and coming clubs, have closed the gap

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Big kids are over rated

...said the guy with the small kid... ;-)

Speed is the ultimate neutralizer!

It's called the fasted game on two feet, not the game with the biggest kids.

Ahhh I have said just as fast and same stick skills but bigger. So we are on the same page. Guys we are talking about puberty here. Some kids peak early in height while others continue to grow. You never know.

So let me get this straight, you have kids that are fast, big, and great stick skills??? why the [lacrosse] would you waste your money on club lacrosse, sounds like you have the next Gary gait.
bit of advice, don't poke the sleeping bear!

That not what was said. The difference between the elite team and the next level is the size and complete package of speed and stick skills. Please read what's being posted. Lu sound stupid when you just blurt out responses. What team do you think I am talking about? Because its not the turtles. This was a statement about puberty and the size of kids playing the game. How kids are bigger, faster, and more skilled than ever before.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mule? Why are you saying he should pick 17 kids from TB, terp black and 91? Now Mule is the best evaluator of talent? Listen if you said take the best 10 from TB and best 10 from terps black NOW its another animal! 91 isn't in that mix! TB crushed them, not just 8-4 but a beating. If terps black beat TB twice, what do you think terps black would do to 91?

TB and Terps black in a different category than 91, as far as turtles it would be a good game between TB & turtles or terps black & turtles. Not a "blow out" either way.

I will say this about Mule, at least he stayed and watch the two teams play in the championship, several of us saw JD leave before it started.

Were you at the 91 VS TB game? It was 7-5 & TB won the game by out playing 91 that day, period. TB outplayed Terps Black in the first game also! I dont care if it was cut short, they outplayed Terps! No one is on here saying "they took a beating" or got "crushed". Have some class. These are 13 year old boys & even they know enough not to trash talk eachother. There is some amazing talent @ this age level on several different LI teams. It just takes the obnoxious Express "Lax daddy" to turn this to s*#t! To take 91 (or fl$ or any other team) out of the running & to annoint yourselves in another level because you won a March tournament is pathetic!

How do you know its an "Express Daddy"? You don't know that. People stir things up. Im an Express parent of a express player and I take exception of the accusation you made without any proof. And you call someone OBNOXIOUS? Pot meet kettle.

BTW, this comment "I dont care if it was cut short". Really? How could you not care? It wasn't a complete game. But the championship game was.

Great teams...all of them and such good sportsmanship by all. It's great watching them all share tents and chairs and goofing around like kids are supposed to. And great LAX to watch as well!!

Can anyone please tell us how the injured boy made out? We all hope he's ok.

The injured TB player is doing better. Has a concussion and will be out for a few weeks. It was nice to see his former teammates on the terps come over to talk to him and see if he was ok.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

turtles- 5 practices a week... see "diminishing returns"...

Why so much HATE to the Turtles?
Are you the parent who was asked to leave from Turtles team ?
Just let it go. Your son is a very good player and let him play.

[b][/b]

no parent or player was asked to leave the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

every team has there share of "Early peakers" ... an 8th grade man child will NOT be the same player 4 years from now... ask a college coach why early commits are rarely working out

just heard one early commit to duke lost his for academic insufficiency. can't rest on their laurels...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

turtles- 5 practices a week... see "diminishing returns"...

Why so much HATE to the Turtles?
Are you the parent who was asked to leave from Turtles team ?
Just let it go. Your son is a very good player and let him play.

[b][/b]

no parent or player was asked to leave the team.

But were they asked to stay?

Are there more than one 2017 True Blue teams? If so, is True Blue 2017 Blue the A team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

turtles- 5 practices a week... see "diminishing returns"...

Why so much HATE to the Turtles?
Are you the parent who was asked to leave from Turtles team ?
Just let it go. Your son is a very good player and let him play.

[b][/b]

no parent or player was asked to leave the team.

But were they asked to stay?

perhaps that question should be asked to the boys who have left. not sure what it would mean in this context. they all had their reasons it would seem.

I have heard that they have asked other kids to try and fill the spots...no takers ....care to venture why not?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

turtles- 5 practices a week... see "diminishing returns"...

Why so much HATE to the Turtles?
Are you the parent who was asked to leave from Turtles team ?
Just let it go. Your son is a very good player and let him play.

[b][/b]

no parent or player was asked to leave the team.

But were they asked to stay?

Kidding right? I'm sure there is a list 100 kids long to get on that team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

turtles- 5 practices a week... see "diminishing returns"...

Why so much HATE to the Turtles?
Are you the parent who was asked to leave from Turtles team ?
Just let it go. Your son is a very good player and let him play.

[b][/b]

no parent or player was asked to leave the team.

But were they asked to stay?

perhaps that question should be asked to the boys who have left. not sure what it would mean in this context. they all had their reasons it would seem.

I have heard that they have asked other kids to try and fill the spots...no takers ....care to venture why not?

Actually no spots to fill.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there more than one 2017 True Blue teams? If so, is True Blue 2017 Blue the A team?

Any one have an answer to this question? Getting lost in all of the Turtles hate posts which are ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Big kids are over rated

...said the guy with the small kid... ;-)

Speed is the ultimate neutralizer!

It's called the fasted game on two feet, not the game with the biggest kids.

Ahhh I have said just as fast and same stick skills but bigger. So we are on the same page. Guys we are talking about puberty here. Some kids peak early in height while others continue to grow. You never know.

So let me get this straight, you have kids that are fast, big, and great stick skills??? why the [lacrosse] would you waste your money on club lacrosse, sounds like you have the next Gary gait.
bit of advice, don't poke the sleeping bear!

I do not really understand people like you.If you feel that playing club lacrosse is a waste of money unless your kid gets a scholarship then you should not play. There are many kids who play club lacrosse because they enjoy playing and making friends from other towns and many parents who feel it is money well spent because of it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

turtles- 5 practices a week... see "diminishing returns"...

Why so much HATE to the Turtles?
Are you the parent who was asked to leave from Turtles team ?
Just let it go. Your son is a very good player and let him play.

[b][/b]

no parent or player was asked to leave the team.

But were they asked to stay?

perhaps that question should be asked to the boys who have left. not sure what it would mean in this context. they all had their reasons it would seem.

I have heard that they have asked other kids to try and fill the spots...no takers ....care to venture why not?

Because they all want to play on terps black with your kid...?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

turtles- 5 practices a week... see "diminishing returns"...

Why so much HATE to the Turtles?
Are you the parent who was asked to leave from Turtles team ?
Just let it go. Your son is a very good player and let him play.

[b][/b]

no parent or player was asked to leave the team.

But were they asked to stay?

perhaps that question should be asked to the boys who have left. not sure what it would mean in this context. they all had their reasons it would seem.

I have heard that they have asked other kids to try and fill the spots...no takers ....care to venture why not?

you heard wrong

Originally Posted by Anonymous

turtles- 5 practices a week... see "diminishing returns"...

Why so much HATE to the Turtles?
Are you the parent who was asked to leave from Turtles team ?
Just let it go. Your son is a very good player and let him play.

[b][/b]

no parent or player was asked to leave the team.

But were they asked to stay?

perhaps that question should be asked to the boys who have left. not sure what it would mean in this context. they all had their reasons it would seem.

I have heard that they have asked other kids to try and fill the spots...no takers ....care to venture why not?

Because they all want to play on terps black with your kid...?

sorry, wrong team, but the kids aren't the problem here, are they? history and the opinions of many here regarding this team would prevail...too many negatives and not enough positives

the statement that you riduculded came directly from a D1 coach who had and does actively rcruit from the schools and the clubs that we are all talking about...

simply stated, "that's why we (college coaches) don't watch 8th graders"...

that goes for any of these teams and players (yes, turtles included... sorry)

if that was the b team, i would hate to be the opponent of the A team...

that's right..he just signs them a year later..

take a look and try and find the 2016 page........

What are we going to do next year when we all (or most hopefully) realize all this banter doesn't matter and the 2017 page dies?......

Boys become young men soon enough, as individuals playing their game.

Aah, youth lacrosse.....

i must confess- its addicting... i know, i know get a life...
i guess we can enjoy it will it last

Yes..i hear the blue team is their A team..Both teams are pretty solid..

one is solid... one is really, really good

Originally Posted by Anonymous

one is solid... one is really, really good

One is their A team which is one of the best teams at the age group. The other team is a B team which isnt even close to competing at the A team level

[/quote]
One is their A team which is one of the best teams at the age group. The other team is a B team which isnt even close to competing at the A team level [/quote]
I agree but would phrase it differently. The blue team is there A team is very solid. The white team is there B team is the extra team for them to make more money!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

one is solid... one is really, really good

One is their A team which is one of the best teams at the age group. The other team is a B team which isnt even close to competing at the A team level

So is the Blue team the "A" team.

I'm a parent from TB and not sure your are on point with this one..They charged $975 a kid. a good bargain for us...5 tournaments, Pro7 Helmet, custom bag, custom uni, and more..Seems to me that it might not be a money maker like you claim..but hey, you must know buy that stupid comment. Crawl back to the angry hole you came from and enjoy the $1500 or more you paid..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[/quote]
One is their A team which is one of the best teams at the age group. The other team is a B team which isnt even close to competing at the A team level

I agree but would phrase it differently. The blue team is there A team is very solid. The white team is there B team is the extra team for them to make more money! [/quote]

Not sure why everyone on this board is so concerned with how much money the clubs are making (or not making) on fees and arguing over how high one clubs fees are compared to the other. There is obviously (sp) a market here. That market has been created by a demand, whether that demand is parent or player driven, is not important. I always say there is a cover for every pot. A free market will adjust itself. If a parent wants to pay TB whatever fee they ask to play on a "B" team that is an issue for the parent and player to decide. I am sure over time the clubs charging high fees for inadeqaute (sp) coaching will fall off

4 turtles leaving for manhasset club team?

of course money is a factor!!
some organizations charge up to $100 per player to try out...
exploitive?? and boarding offensive... by charging $75-$100 to try out is a statement that by the CLUB that screams:
"Money is our 1st Priority" - and talent level is negotiable...

I come from a family of coaches... our kids will NOT try out for LAX clubs that charge insulting try out fees...

"For the love of... BLAH, BLAH, BLAH"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

of course money is a factor!!
some organizations charge up to $100 per player to try out...
exploitive?? and boarding offensive... by charging $75-$100 to try out is a statement that by the CLUB that screams:
"Money is our 1st Priority" - and talent level is negotiable...

I come from a family of coaches... our kids will NOT try out for LAX clubs that charge insulting try out fees...

"For the love of... BLAH, BLAH, BLAH"

Well said and I agree!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

4 turtles leaving for manhasset club team?

Ill bite, do tell? Is this true?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

of course money is a factor!!
some organizations charge up to $100 per player to try out...
exploitive?? and boarding offensive... by charging $75-$100 to try out is a statement that by the CLUB that screams:
"Money is our 1st Priority" - and talent level is negotiable...

I come from a family of coaches... our kids will NOT try out for LAX clubs that charge insulting try out fees...

"For the love of... BLAH, BLAH, BLAH"

Well said and I agree!

A few years back my son tried out for fl$. It was a $35 tryout fee. Granted they only formed one team per age group so I was comfortable paying it. I did try my 8th grader out for 91 this year. think it was $50. Has more than 100 players trying out and my boy only went to one of two tryouts. I kind of got the feeling that it was abit expensive and did the math blah, blah, blah. Not sure what is right or wrong. Granted 91 forms 3 teams at that age group, but the only thing you can do if you disagree with the tryout fee or the "tuition" once he makes the team is do not try out. Now maybe it can be argued that the "b" and "C" teams should pay less tuition but trhan from a business model perspective the owners of these clubs could be weaking their "brand" Again as I wrote above the market will weed out those clubs that provide an inferior product. As consumers the parents have to also become more informed. Also there are other clubs out there that charge much lower "tuition" than exprexx, 91, fl$ etc. So there are options out. This whole dicussion could probably become the basis for a college economics thesis.

Hear some players are passing on their middle school teams for the more competitive club team? Is this a trend? I have a younger child just wondering if that is something that we will be faced with?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hear some players are passing on their middle school teams for the more competitive club team? Is this a trend? I have a younger child just wondering if that is something that we will be faced with?

Not happening. No clubs are playing consistently this time of year.

answer... middle school sports are a joke in general. however, the practces and games are weekdays after school, no conflics w Club in case your son wants to do both club and middle school (recommended)...

so no choice needs to be made...

A good plan would do both in 7th, have a great middle school season so the coach can recommend your son to play up to JV as an 8th grader (still have school experience etc and lose the modified middle school program)

no thesis needed... simple greed...
Why else would 91 make a returning player pay a tryout fee??

If clubs such as 91 had a conscience (clearly not), they would at least apply the tryout fee to the tuition...

I hate to say it, because I know and like most of the club owners, but it is nothing more than a shake down to returning players...

what would they do if your son was a good returning player but did not try out?? just let him walk over the $50 or buckle, because they want to protect their brand?

ALL the clubs Express, fl$,Jesters etc. charge returning players a tryout fee. 91 charges half of what some of those teams charge for tryouts. Go to the Express board and complain about the $2400 they charge to play for their teams.

just an observation, not a complaint (does not effect me)...

as long as people keep paying, they will keep charging... a perfect marraige

What is it that you do not get?

You do not have to go to the tryouts or play for any of the club teams.

Come to think of it, you don't have to play at all.

Is your Town Team Free?

If my Town Team did everything my club team did, the cost for the town team would be approximately $1500 - $2,000. (that does not include the private and or small group lessons recommended by the coach).

Fall league, fall tournaments, winter in-house, winter league, winter practice time, spring in-house, spring PAL, spring tournaments, summer in-house, summer tournaments, paid coaches, uniform, recommended private training etc...

Hotels, gas, tolls, food etc.. cost the same regardless of Team.

It all adds up, and it�s not free.

Stop complaining, you are not forced to do any of it.

The market will drive the price, as long as people are willing to pay, the clubs will continue to charge the fee.

Stop complaining, if you do not like it simply don�t go.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is it that you do not get?

You do not have to go to the tryouts or play for any of the club teams.

Come to think of it, you don't have to play at all.

Is your Town Team Free?

If my Town Team did everything my club team did, the cost for the town team would be approximately $1500 - $2,000. (that does not include the private and or small group lessons recommended by the coach).

Fall league, fall tournaments, winter in-house, winter league, winter practice time, spring in-house, spring PAL, spring tournaments, summer in-house, summer tournaments, paid coaches, uniform, recommended private training etc...

Hotels, gas, tolls, food etc.. cost the same regardless of Team.

It all adds up, and it�s not free.

Stop complaining, you are not forced to do any of it.

The market will drive the price, as long as people are willing to pay, the clubs will continue to charge the fee.

Stop complaining, if you do not like it simply don�t go.

In theory every spot is open at tryouts. Now we all know that is not reality, so you play along and pay $100-$200 and you get a pinnie and 2-3 2 hour tryouts that you can view as practices. Do the clubs make money off this, yes. But who cares, now you make the team and stroke a check for $2,000 and then along the way pay another $2,000 in extras and travel, so you are into your team for $4,000 really the $100-$200 is no big deal. I think the people who comakn about tryout fees are the ones who played on the team last year and are affraid of being cut this year and know that they wi need to attend 3-4 tryouts

I understand not being happy about the $$, i just don't understand complaining about it.

Why doesn't someone simply approach the players who they believe are the strongest and ask them to play on "their" team.

Divide the cost of everything by the number of players and move on?

indoor time, coaches, tournaments, insurance, uniforms, league fee, training, speed and agility, admin, etc..

What is the "net profit" per team?

It looks to me that it is a volume based business.

Club Team, Town Team, Hand Picked Select Team.. They all cost money.

If you removed the profit, what would the savings be per player??

the top 10 teams in this age group are:
1. RVC futures
2. checkmate sharks
3. long island Pride
4. Green Machine
5. Millon Force
6. Vipers
7. Freeport PAL
8. Dune Dogs
9. 91 navy
10. Recon Force

you covered just about everything... EXCEPT your 91 or Express Letter head...

try not to be so obvious next post, when you try to Sell the so called benefits of why parents of a 6th grade B team player is priviledged to pay only $4,000/yr for your greedy club

which age group and tournament is from the listed teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

you covered just about everything... EXCEPT your 91 or Express Letter head...

try not to be so obvious next post, when you try to Sell the so called benefits of why parents of a 6th grade B team player is priviledged to pay only $4,000/yr for your greedy club

Again!! If you don't like them, Don't play for a private club.

You can keep complaining and resenting the fact that people are profiting from a business but I don't see you providing an alternative.

I will ask the question again.

If all profit were removed, how much less would it cost per kid?

What would the savings be?

Stop complaining, stop trying to make the clubs that you dislike out to be evil.

Start your own team or club, put in the time and the effort and do it for free.

At the very least, tell us all what the savings would be.

My guess is; you will do nothing. No, I am wrong... You will keep complaining.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the top 10 teams in this age group are:
1. RVC futures
2. checkmate sharks
3. long island Pride
4. Green Machine
5. Millon Force
6. Vipers
7. Freeport PAL
8. Dune Dogs
9. 91 navy
10. Recon Force

Lmao

The reason you dont hear about the alternatives is because if you found that diamond in the rough - why spoil it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

you covered just about everything... EXCEPT your 91 or Express Letter head...

try not to be so obvious next post, when you try to Sell the so called benefits of why parents of a 6th grade B team player is priviledged to pay only $4,000/yr for your greedy club

Again!! If you don't like them, Don't play for a private club.

You can keep complaining and resenting the fact that people are profiting from a business but I don't see you providing an alternative.

I will ask the question again.

If all profit were removed, how much less would it cost per kid?

What would the savings be?

Stop complaining, stop trying to make the clubs that you dislike out to be evil.

Start your own team or club, put in the time and the effort and do it for free.

At the very least, tell us all what the savings would be.

My guess is; you will do nothing. No, I am wrong... You will keep complaining.

I know this post was a joke, but can someone actually do it? Name the top 10 teams at this age group for real.

To Mr Defensive Club Owner or Mr insecure B team parent (cant figure which),

please note - club teams that charge < $50 per tryout are excluded from the gouging catagory
club teams that charge < $1000 for B, level teams, cogradulate your selves for providing extra youth lax without exploiting parents....

the anwer to your question of cost VS Profit = simple math
cost-
pinney- $10 x 600 = $6,000
revenue per player @ $70x 600 = $42,000

Not Bad for 1 day of try out... Oh yeah, i forgot to back out the 10 evaluator make $200 per day...$42,000- $8,000 = $34,000 net profit without the season starting

tournament cost $1000 x 5 tournaments = $5,000
summer coach cost = $4,000
uniforms $60x 25 player = $1,300
Estimated total cost per summer club team = $10,300

TOTAL AVERAGE COST PER LAX CLUB PLAYER = $412!!!!
(plus equiptment cost if helments are included)

So at $1,500 per kid x 25 players per Club team = $25,000 profit per team x 3 teams per grade x 6 grades = $450,000 estimated club profit per summer tourament team - not bad for a part time gig...

Now... Everyone can fairly evaluate the relative value of their son's summer lax club team

I can say I'm happy with my Club. are you happy with yours??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know this post was a joke, but can someone actually do it? Name the top 10 teams at this age group for real.

Can't get the colleges let alone the high schools right, what makes you think anybody's opinion of top 10 matters at this age?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To Mr Defensive Club Owner or Mr insecure B team parent (cant figure which),

please note - club teams that charge < $50 per tryout are excluded from the gouging catagory
club teams that charge < $1000 for B, level teams, cogradulate your selves for providing extra youth lax without exploiting parents....

the anwer to your question of cost VS Profit = simple math
cost-
pinney- $10 x 600 = $6,000
revenue per player @ $70x 600 = $42,000

Not Bad for 1 day of try out... Oh yeah, i forgot to back out the 10 evaluator make $200 per day...$42,000- $8,000 = $34,000 net profit without the season starting

tournament cost $1000 x 5 tournaments = $5,000
summer coach cost = $4,000
uniforms $60x 25 player = $1,300
Estimated total cost per summer club team = $10,300

TOTAL AVERAGE COST PER LAX CLUB PLAYER = $412!!!!
(plus equiptment cost if helments are included)

So at $1,500 per kid x 25 players per Club team = $25,000 profit per team x 3 teams per grade x 6 grades = $450,000 estimated club profit per summer tourament team - not bad for a part time gig...

Now... Everyone can fairly evaluate the relative value of their son's summer lax club team

I can say I'm happy with my Club. are you happy with yours??

Again, can�t answer the question honestly.

Tournament Cost:

- Tri State: $2,100
- LI laxFest: $1,475
- Patriot Games: $1,450
- Stony Brook Clash: $1,350
- Crab Fest: $3,125 �($125 per player)

Total: $10,500

Crabfest appears to be out of line, I have never been to it so I do not know if it is worth the extra $$.

You say $4000 for a coach, I think most teams have two coaches. Two coaches would bring the cost to $8,000. (I do not know what they pay coaches so I am using your numbers)

My question was not how much $$ a club earns from tryout fees.

I asked the following: all things being equal, what would the savings be per player
if profit were removed?

Stop counting other peoples money and answer the question.

How much would a parent save if there were no profit for the club?

I don�t care how much money a club makes, I want to know what the parent could save?

cost per player is $350-$500

(average tournament cost last year $1000, no team is paying both coaches $4,000 for 12 practices and 5 tournaments)... the club owners usually take a team, and pay a college kid $1,500 for the season/ parent coaches are volunteers usually (until now), so $4,000 total is a converative number.

If you an A team player, without a good town program, it is worth playing the money for a Club A team with a good coach against to compete against good competition.

Parents are now learning that there are great Club choices available for A Club teams without paying $1,800-$2,700...

If you are a B team player, play with your town team, and put that money to better use...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

cost per player is $350-$500

(average tournament cost last year $1000, no team is paying both coaches $4,000 for 12 practices and 5 tournaments)... the club owners usually take a team, and pay a college kid $1,500 for the season/ parent coaches are volunteers usually (until now), so $4,000 total is a converative number.

If you an A team player, without a good town program, it is worth playing the money for a Club A team with a good coach against to compete against good competition.

Parents are now learning that there are great Club choices available for A Club teams without paying $1,800-$2,700...

If you are a B team player, play with your town team, and put that money to better use...

You people are amazing! The numbers being used are so far off (in both directions) & you are missing so many small details that add up. Granted these organizations are making money (it is a business) but, its not as simple as your posts would have us believe. Start your own team & let us know in two years how it goes for you...

Just to change it up.......so middle school lax starts ! Any word on which schools will have top teams? Also wondering,What is the average size of a middle school team? Do coaches cut?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just to change it up.......so middle school lax starts ! Any word on which schools will have top teams? Also wondering,What is the average size of a middle school team? Do coaches cut?

Manhasset middle school Turtles will beat most high school varsities.

Can Manhasset Middle School beat Syosset?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can Manhasset Middle School beat Syosset?

Probably not. Manhasset prides itself on participation rates not wins and losses. They will be lucky to pull off a few wins vs port.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can Manhasset Middle School beat Syosset?

Let's see what happens at Top Rank tournament this weekend. Manhasset 7th grade (8th grade/2017) did not win the tournament last year, Smithtown did. Summit NJ also gave them a good game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can Manhasset Middle School beat Syosset?

Let's see what happens at Top Rank tournament this weekend. Manhasset 7th grade (8th grade/2017) did not win the tournament last year, Smithtown did. Summit NJ also gave them a good game.

Is this a school team tournament or club? If its the Manhasset Maveriks/32 then that will not include the kids from the Turtles, which makes a huge difference. If it does include the Turtle players, Manhasset will take the whole thing easily.

Turtles are good as a team, but not as good individually. CSH Middle School team will prove that when they play Manhasset. It is true Manhasset prides itself on participation AND seniority. That's why you may not aleays see the best players on the field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can Manhasset Middle School beat Syosset?

Let's see what happens at Top Rank tournament this weekend. Manhasset 7th grade (8th grade/2017) did not win the tournament last year, Smithtown did. Summit NJ also gave them a good game.

Is this a school team tournament or club? If its the Manhasset Maveriks/32 then that will not include the kids from the Turtles, which makes a huge difference. If it does include the Turtle players, Manhasset will take the whole thing easily.

Manhasset Turtles kids (and kids from other club teams) played on Manhasset team in last year's Top Rank Tournament for 2017 age group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Turtles are good as a team, but not as good individually. CSH Middle School team will prove that when they play Manhasset. It is true Manhasset prides itself on participation AND seniority. That's why you may not aleays see the best players on the field.

They aim to get high participation rates in the hopes that translates to more votes for the budget.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just to change it up.......so middle school lax starts ! Any word on which schools will have top teams? Also wondering,What is the average size of a middle school team? Do coaches cut?

Manhasset middle school Turtles will beat most high school varsities.

Hold on there, Mr Mahasset Booster Lax Coach Daddy: Take a big breath of reality and recall, if you will, without revisionist history blurring your memory; those same Manhasset turtles lost two games each (=4 games) to CSH and GC middle schools amongst other schools as well, last season, so don't expect much more of them this season without the rest of their supporting cast.

Thus your "beat most varsity's" statement is severely flawed and unsubstantiated wishful thinking at best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just to change it up.......so middle school lax starts ! Any word on which schools will have top teams? Also wondering,What is the average size of a middle school team? Do coaches cut?

Manhasset middle school Turtles will beat most high school varsities.

Hold on there, Mr Mahasset Booster Lax Coach Daddy: Take a big breath of reality and recall, if you will, without revisionist history blurring your memory; those same Manhasset turtles lost two games each (=4 games) to CSH and GC middle schools amongst other schools as well, last season, so don't expect much more of them this season without the rest of their supporting cast.

Thus your "beat most varsity's" statement is severely flawed and unsubstantiated wishful thinking at best.

with all due respect. I think you are arguing with a kid.

Northport and Harborfields are pretty good in their league last year,
commack is good... also depends on how many players are playing up to JV

middle school usually carries 40 kids, and there usually are cuts if the numbers are higher than 45 kids

My sons middle school has a 7/8th grade team due to budget cuts. Last year every single team they played was a strictly 8th grade team though and they went 9-0 with the closest game being a 7 goal win.

There are about 75 kids trying out this year and they will carry 30-32 on the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just to change it up.......so middle school lax starts ! Any word on which schools will have top teams? Also wondering,What is the average size of a middle school team? Do coaches cut?

Manhasset middle school Turtles will beat most high school varsities.

Hold on there, Mr Mahasset Booster Lax Coach Daddy: Take a big breath of reality and recall, if you will, without revisionist history blurring your memory; those same Manhasset turtles lost two games each (=4 games) to CSH and GC middle schools amongst other schools as well, last season, so don't expect much more of them this season without the rest of their supporting cast.

Thus your "beat most varsity's" statement is severely flawed and unsubstantiated wishful thinking at best.

Could be they lost to CSH because the BEST player the Turtles have is from... thats right CSH. He is playing Varsity this year and is playing a lot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just to change it up.......so middle school lax starts ! Any word on which schools will have top teams? Also wondering,What is the average size of a middle school team? Do coaches cut?

Manhasset middle school Turtles will beat most high school varsities.

Hold on there, Mr Mahasset Booster Lax Coach Daddy: Take a big breath of reality and recall, if you will, without revisionist history blurring your memory; those same Manhasset turtles lost two games each (=4 games) to CSH and GC middle schools amongst other schools as well, last season, so don't expect much more of them this season without the rest of their supporting cast.

Thus your "beat most varsity's" statement is severely flawed and unsubstantiated wishful thinking at best.

Could be they lost to CSH because the BEST player the Turtles have is from... thats right CSH. He is playing Varsity this year and is playing a lot.

he's not just good...he's great. Duke bound for sure.

but how does that explain their two losses to GC MS? perhaps the manhasset contingency is all hype and not as good as they think? the results speak for themselves...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just to change it up.......so middle school lax starts ! Any word on which schools will have top teams? Also wondering,What is the average size of a middle school team? Do coaches cut?

Manhasset middle school Turtles will beat most high school varsities.

Hold on there, Mr Mahasset Booster Lax Coach Daddy: Take a big breath of reality and recall, if you will, without revisionist history blurring your memory; those same Manhasset turtles lost two games each (=4 games) to CSH and GC middle schools amongst other schools as well, last season, so don't expect much more of them this season without the rest of their supporting cast.

Thus your "beat most varsity's" statement is severely flawed and unsubstantiated wishful thinking at best.

Could be they lost to CSH because the BEST player the Turtles have is from... thats right CSH. He is playing Varsity this year and is playing a lot.

he's not just good...he's great. Duke bound for sure.

but how does that explain their two losses to GC MS? perhaps the manhasset contingency is all hype and not as good as they think? the results speak for themselves...

and the score of the Manhasset vs CSH varsity game was?????

Commack has a couple of 8th moved to Varsity.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Commack has a couple of 8th moved to Varsity.

Who cares? Commack is not a very strong H.S. program compared to Garden City, Manhasset, Chaminade, St. Anthiny's, West Islip, etc. Not really comparable.

Northport undefeated last year. Only one boy moved to jv

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Northport undefeated last year. Only one boy moved to jv

All this back and forth about MS lax means nothing. It only matters when they get to Varsity.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All this back and forth about MS lax means nothing. It only matters when they get to Varsity.

AMEN!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just to change it up.......so middle school lax starts ! Any word on which schools will have top teams? Also wondering,What is the average size of a middle school team? Do coaches cut?

Manhasset middle school Turtles will beat most high school varsities.

Hold on there, Mr Mahasset Booster Lax Coach Daddy: Take a big breath of reality and recall, if you will, without revisionist history blurring your memory; those same Manhasset turtles lost two games each (=4 games) to CSH and GC middle schools amongst other schools as well, last season, so don't expect much more of them this season without the rest of their supporting cast.

Thus your "beat most varsity's" statement is severely flawed and unsubstantiated wishful thinking at best.

Could be they lost to CSH because the BEST player the Turtles have is from... thats right CSH. He is playing Varsity this year and is playing a lot.

he's not just good...he's great. Duke bound for sure.

but how does that explain their two losses to GC MS? perhaps the manhasset contingency is all hype and not as good as they think? the results speak for themselves...

and the score of the Manhasset vs CSH varsity game was?????

it's a 2017 thread, genius...

This is truly hilarious. as a 2017 player all of you parents dont realize that u r laughing stocks for us kids at all long island middle schools. You parents literally get in fights over which team is better and which kid is better. You are truly pathetic with all your posts. So super turtle dads, keep doing what your doing so me and my buddies can laugh at the shallowness and immaturity

a lot of debate and speculation about the best teams in this age group has gone on and i am sure that this is the true lineup in this age group:

1. checkmate sharks
2. Freeport PAL
3. Long Island pride
4. Recon force
5. 91 stampede
6. Baldwin PAL
7. Beach Bums
8. Havoc Dune Dogs
9. Tomahawks
10. Turtles

* Another great team in this age group is the Buffalo Wild Wings from Baltimore M.D., They beat the turtles 14-0 in an extreme blow out so look them up*

Hey, Henny Youngman- get some new material. It wasn't funny the 1st time. lame.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

a lot of debate and speculation about the best teams in this age group has gone on and i am sure that this is the true lineup in this age group:

1. checkmate sharks
2. Freeport PAL
3. Long Island pride
4. Recon force
5. 91 stampede
6. Baldwin PAL
7. Beach Bums
8. Havoc Dune Dogs
9. Tomahawks
10. Turtles

* Another great team in this age group is the Buffalo Wild Wings from Baltimore M.D., They beat the turtles 14-0 in an extreme blow out so look them up*

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the top 10 teams in this age group are:
1. RVC futures
2. checkmate sharks
3. long island Pride
4. Green Machine
5. Millon Force
6. Vipers
7. Freeport PAL
8. Dune Dogs

If u r messing with m as a joke I'm pissed I play for the sharks and futures if u want to hate shut up
9. 91 navy
10. Recon Force

Lmao

playing varsity as an 8th grader for any LI school is a major achievement....

its a big achievement at 9th grade! its not my son who moved up to varsity, but lets gives these kids the credit that they deserve...

btw - can we leave anthony's and chaminade out of the conversation??
- they dont have a middle school to bring kids up... so it sounds silly to use them as an example

probably agree but thats why these posts are on the 2017 board...

and besides, if 7th and 8th grade doesn't matter, why are there so many, so called recruiting camps popping up for this age bracket all over LI??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

probably agree but thats why these posts are on the 2017 board...

and besides, if 7th and 8th grade doesn't matter, why are there so many, so called recruiting camps popping up for this age bracket all over LI??

To answer your question it's because they are a license to print money and that is the ONLY reason!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is truly hilarious. as a 2017 player all of you parents dont realize that u r laughing stocks for us kids at all long island middle schools. You parents literally get in fights over which team is better and which kid is better. You are truly pathetic with all your posts. So super turtle dads, keep doing what your doing so me and my buddies can laugh at the shallowness and immaturity

Like I can believe our public skool edjumacational system can produce a kid who can structure a response like this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is truly hilarious. as a 2017 player all of you parents dont realize that u r laughing stocks for us kids at all long island middle schools. You parents literally get in fights over which team is better and which kid is better. You are truly pathetic with all your posts. So super turtle dads, keep doing what your doing so me and my buddies can laugh at the shallowness and immaturity

Like I can believe our public skool edjumacational system can produce a kid who can structure a response like this.

Today's "Post of the Day" and we are just getting started! Thanks for the chuckle.

1 turtles
2 exp terps blk
3 true blue
4 91
5 gladiators
6 fl$
7 jesters
8 exp terps white
9 l.i pride
10 outlaws

pretty accurate - any thoughts?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1 turtles
2 exp terps blk
3 true blue
4 91
5 gladiators
6 fl$
7 jesters
8 exp terps white
9 l.i pride
10 outlaws

pretty accurate - any thoughts?

7-10 on that list are laughable! The Jesters are terrible at this age group. My sons town team has beaten them badly every time including this winter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1 turtles
2 exp terps blk
3 true blue
4 91
5 gladiators
6 fl$
7 jesters
8 exp terps white
9 l.i pride
10 outlaws

pretty accurate - any thoughts?

Pretty close for sure.

Top 5 are on the money they way you listed it, IMO. fl$ does nothing till summer so shouldn't be that high and have a few good players but thats it. I feel Jesters belong at #7 and shouldn't move down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1 turtles
2 exp terps blk
3 true blue
4 91
5 gladiators
6 fl$
7 jesters
8 exp terps white
9 l.i pride
10 outlaws

pretty accurate - any thoughts?

7-10 on that list are laughable! The Jesters are terrible at this age group. My sons town team has beaten them badly every time including this winter.

Being seventh on a comparative ranking does not make those teams laughable - it makes them ... seventh.

Let's put this another way : anyone outside of the top ten academically at your kid's school is laughable when it comes to academics. Get the point?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

probably agree but thats why these posts are on the 2017 board...

and besides, if 7th and 8th grade doesn't matter, why are there so many, so called recruiting camps popping up for this age bracket all over LI??

to make $

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1 turtles
2 exp terps blk
3 true blue
4 91
5 gladiators
6 fl$
7 jesters
8 exp terps white
9 l.i pride
10 outlaws

pretty accurate - any thoughts?

7-10 on that list are laughable! The Jesters are terrible at this age group. My sons town team has beaten them badly every time including this winter.

There are two teams at this age for jesters...

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1 turtles
2 exp terps blk
3 true blue
4 91
5 gladiators
6 fl$
7 jesters
8 exp terps white
9 l.i pride
10 outlaws

pretty accurate - any thoughts?

7-10 on that list are laughable! The Jesters are terrible at this age group. My sons town team has beaten them badly every time including this winter.

Being seventh on a comparative ranking does not make those teams laughable - it makes them ... seventh.

Let's put this another way : anyone outside of the top ten academically at your kid's school is laughable when it comes to academics. Get the point?

When a weak town team beats the Jesters every time convincingly I would say they are no where near the top 10 out of the at least 20 teams at this age group on the island! The Pride didn't even have cuts at this age anyone who wanted to pay made the team!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When a weak town team beats the Jesters every time convincingly I would say they are no where near the top 10 out of the at least 20 teams at this age group on the island! The Pride didn't even have cuts at this age anyone who wanted to pay made the team!

So, for you to say that they are "no where near the top 10", it means you have another set of teams in mind. Join the discussion and name your other teams for the top ten listing.

Rankings are NOT a measure of absolute skill and ability - they are a measure of relative skill and ability. Which means if Team X is not in the top ten, Team Y must be.

My kid is not on the Jesters now, but has played with a group of the kids. They are very talented and play hard.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When a weak town team beats the Jesters every time convincingly I would say they are no where near the top 10 out of the at least 20 teams at this age group on the island! The Pride didn't even have cuts at this age anyone who wanted to pay made the team!

So, for you to say that they are "no where near the top 10", it means you have another set of teams in mind. Join the discussion and name your other teams for the top ten listing.

Rankings are NOT a measure of absolute skill and ability - they are a measure of relative skill and ability. Which means if Team X is not in the top ten, Team Y must be.

1.Turtles
2.Express Terps Black
3.True Blue - Blue
4.91 Orange
5.fl$
6.Express Terps
7.Gladiators
8.Team Long Island White
9.91 White
10.True Blue - White

2017 boys: RVC Futures 7/8 plays LI Express Terps Sunday at 9:00AM. We will see how they match up...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1 turtles
2 exp terps blk
3 true blue
4 91
5 gladiators
6 fl$
7 jesters
8 exp terps white
9 l.i pride
10 outlaws

pretty accurate - any thoughts?

7-10 on that list are laughable! The Jesters are terrible at this age group. My sons town team has beaten them badly every time including this winter.

Interesting, considering Jesters 2017 Black did not play in any league or tournament over the winter that had town teams.

Jesters 2017 Black did play Gladiators in the fall and won, in OBLL and lost.

Maybe your sons town team played someone else over the winter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1 turtles
2 exp terps blk
3 true blue
4 91
5 gladiators
6 fl$
7 jesters
8 exp terps white
9 l.i pride
10 outlaws

pretty accurate - any thoughts?

7-10 on that list are laughable! The Jesters are terrible at this age group. My sons town team has beaten them badly every time including this winter.

Interesting, considering Jesters 2017 Black did not play in any league or tournament over the winter that had town teams.

Jesters 2017 Black did play Gladiators in the fall and won, in OBLL and lost.

Maybe your sons town team played someone else over the winter.

People reference the Jesters 2017 "Black" as being a better team but I was told that both of the 2017 Jester teams will play in the exact same tournaments in the B division this summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1 turtles
2 exp terps blk
3 true blue
4 91
5 gladiators
6 fl$
7 jesters
8 exp terps white
9 l.i pride
10 outlaws

pretty accurate - any thoughts?

7-10 on that list are laughable! The Jesters are terrible at this age group. My sons town team has beaten them badly every time including this winter.

Interesting, considering Jesters 2017 Black did not play in any league or tournament over the winter that had town teams.

Jesters 2017 Black did play Gladiators in the fall and won, in OBLL and lost.

Maybe your sons town team played someone else over the winter.

Jesters Black has only played Manhasset town team in the fall league. Manhasset beat them pretty handily however Manhassets town team would give most travel teams at this age group a run for their money. Jesters Black is a pretty competitive team with most of the travel teams on LI.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When a weak town team beats the Jesters every time convincingly I would say they are no where near the top 10 out of the at least 20 teams at this age group on the island! The Pride didn't even have cuts at this age anyone who wanted to pay made the team!

So, for you to say that they are "no where near the top 10", it means you have another set of teams in mind. Join the discussion and name your other teams for the top ten listing.

Rankings are NOT a measure of absolute skill and ability - they are a measure of relative skill and ability. Which means if Team X is not in the top ten, Team Y must be.

1.Turtles
2.Express Terps Black
3.True Blue - Blue
4.91 Orange
5.fl$
6.Express Terps
7.Gladiators
8.Team Long Island White
9.91 White
10.True Blue - White

91 White and True Blue white have absolutely no business on this list. They are both "B" teams and cannot compete at the A level on Long Island, plain and simple. Jesters and Outlaws belong on this list before them easily.

Best guess going into summer

1 Turtles
2 Express Terps Black / True Blue
3 ^^
4 91 Orange
5 Gladiators / Jesters Black / fl$
6 ^^
7 ^^
8 Express Terps B squad
9 Outlaws
10 91 White / TB B

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1 turtles
2 exp terps blk
3 true blue
4 91
5 gladiators
6 fl$
7 jesters
8 exp terps white
9 l.i pride
10 outlaws

pretty accurate - any thoughts?

7-10 on that list are laughable! The Jesters are terrible at this age group. My sons town team has beaten them badly every time including this winter.

Interesting, considering Jesters 2017 Black did not play in any league or tournament over the winter that had town teams.

Jesters 2017 Black did play Gladiators in the fall and won, in OBLL and lost.

Maybe your sons town team played someone else over the winter.

People reference the Jesters 2017 "Black" as being a better team but I was told that both of the 2017 Jester teams will play in the exact same tournaments in the B division this summer.

You would be wrong- Same tournaments, however different divisions

You were "told", by whom?

Jesters 2017 Black will be in "A" division

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Best guess going into summer

1 Turtles
2 Express Terps Black / True Blue
3 ^^
4 91 Orange
5 Gladiators / Jesters Black / fl$
6 ^^
7 ^^
8 Express Terps B squad
9 Outlaws
10 91 White / TB B

most realistic list thus far, yet I'd put terps B above fl$...based on cumulative playing time alone...fl$ has minimal field time at this point

turtles will be surprised with either Terps black or TB...both very strong, fast and physical squads that are both playing strong JV level ball at this time for 8th graders

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1 turtles
2 exp terps blk
3 true blue
4 91
5 gladiators
6 fl$
7 jesters
8 exp terps white
9 l.i pride
10 outlaws

pretty accurate - any thoughts?

7-10 on that list are laughable! The Jesters are terrible at this age group. My sons town team has beaten them badly every time including this winter.

Interesting, considering Jesters 2017 Black did not play in any league or tournament over the winter that had town teams.

Jesters 2017 Black did play Gladiators in the fall and won, in OBLL and lost.

Maybe your sons town team played someone else over the winter.

People reference the Jesters 2017 "Black" as being a better team but I was told that both of the 2017 Jester teams will play in the exact same tournaments in the B division this summer.

You would be wrong- Same tournaments, however different divisions

You were "told", by whom?

Jesters 2017 Black will be in "A" division

Told By Rich Nessim the director of the Jesters

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just to change it up.......so middle school lax starts ! Any word on which schools will have top teams? Also wondering,What is the average size of a middle school team? Do coaches cut?

Manhasset middle school Turtles will beat most high school varsities.

Just spit out my lunch, thanks for the laugh!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1 turtles
2 exp terps blk
3 true blue
4 91
5 gladiators
6 fl$
7 jesters
8 exp terps white
9 l.i pride
10 outlaws

pretty accurate - any thoughts?

7-10 on that list are laughable! The Jesters are terrible at this age group. My sons town team has beaten them badly every time including this winter.

Interesting, considering Jesters 2017 Black did not play in any league or tournament over the winter that had town teams.

Jesters 2017 Black did play Gladiators in the fall and won, in OBLL and lost.

Maybe your sons town team played someone else over the winter.

Umm, FYI - the fall league game against the Gladiators the Jesters didn't have a goalie. The Gladiators goalies split time playing for both teams. Are you really counting that as a win? Besides it was fall ball - meaningless.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Best guess going into summer

1 Turtles
2 Express Terps Black / True Blue
3 ^^
4 91 Orange
5 Gladiators / Jesters Black / fl$
6 ^^
7 ^^
8 Express Terps B squad
9 Outlaws
10 91 White / TB B

91 WHITE?? lol! I watched Regular Terps (B) crushed them last week in Massapequa. had to be 13-1. If they are both B, than express B is million times better than 91 B.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Best guess going into summer

1 Turtles
2 Express Terps Black / True Blue
3 ^^
4 91 Orange
5 Gladiators / Jesters Black / fl$
6 ^^
7 ^^
8 Express Terps B squad
9 Outlaws
10 91 White / TB B

As good as TB is they might have trouble in the hot summer, don't have the depth that Turtles or Terps black teams have. Thats why several have them in the 3rd slot. Gladiators are much better than the Jester Blk teams also. fl$ is lucky to be on the list, they should be #10. Terps at #8 and Outlaws at #9

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just to change it up.......so middle school lax starts ! Any word on which schools will have top teams? Also wondering,What is the average size of a middle school team? Do coaches cut?

Manhasset middle school Turtles will beat most high school varsities.

Just spit out my lunch, thanks for the laugh!

Late lunch!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1 turtles
2 exp terps blk
3 true blue
4 91
5 gladiators
6 fl$
7 jesters
8 exp terps white
9 l.i pride
10 outlaws

pretty accurate - any thoughts?

7-10 on that list are laughable! The Jesters are terrible at this age group. My sons town team has beaten them badly every time including this winter.

Interesting, considering Jesters 2017 Black did not play in any league or tournament over the winter that had town teams.

Jesters 2017 Black did play Gladiators in the fall and won, in OBLL and lost.

Maybe your sons town team played someone else over the winter.

People reference the Jesters 2017 "Black" as being a better team but I was told that both of the 2017 Jester teams will play in the exact same tournaments in the B division this summer.

You would be wrong- Same tournaments, however different divisions

You were "told", by whom?

Jesters 2017 Black will be in "A" division

Told By Rich Nessim the director of the Jesters

Sure he did.......Jesters Black are playing in A division in every tournament in which they are entered..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1 turtles
2 exp terps blk
3 true blue
4 91
5 gladiators
6 fl$
7 jesters
8 exp terps white
9 l.i pride
10 outlaws

pretty accurate - any thoughts?

7-10 on that list are laughable! The Jesters are terrible at this age group. My sons town team has beaten them badly every time including this winter.

Interesting, considering Jesters 2017 Black did not play in any league or tournament over the winter that had town teams.

Jesters 2017 Black did play Gladiators in the fall and won, in OBLL and lost.

Maybe your sons town team played someone else over the winter.

Umm, FYI - the fall league game against the Gladiators the Jesters didn't have a goalie. The Gladiators goalies split time playing for both teams. Are you really counting that as a win? Besides it was fall ball - meaningless.

That must have been a different game your thinking of, when the Jesters black team played the Gladiators in the fall we had our own goalie and we won the game by a goal in a very exciting well played game....yes the game was meaningless as was the OBLL game in which the Gladiators beat us....I think the point is that the Jesters are a competitive team and deserve to be mentioned with the better teams. They are not in the top tier to be sure but I think they are right in the mix with the second tier of teams on Long Island, Gladiators, Outlaws, fl$, etc.......Why anyone feels the need to put down a bunch of 13 year old kids who bust their butts to be where they are is beyond me, kudos to all the teams out there. To me Long Island lacrosse is the best in the world and I think we have the best talent in the country at this age group. Be proud that your son is on a team at all and can compete at this level......

everyone knows you're a parent posing as a kid;
1- kids rarely use email...
2- 13year old... calls anyone shallow or immature??
3- never even heard the term "super Dad"

... if you were a kid, it would impossible to post from the locker you are stuffed in...

just like dad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Best guess going into summer

1 Turtles
2 Express Terps Black / True Blue
3 ^^
4 91 Orange
5 Gladiators / Jesters Black / fl$
6 ^^
7 ^^
8 Express Terps B squad
9 Outlaws
10 91 White / TB B

91 WHITE?? lol! I watched Regular Terps (B) crushed them last week in Massapequa. had to be 13-1. If they are both B, than express B is million times better than 91 B.

What is a Regular Terp? If you really watched you would know it was a mixed group of Terps and Terps Black and that was told to me by Express parents. Also 91 had only 3 Defensemen and 15 players in total. If your going to brag at least be honest.

If u want an unbiased top 10 here it is

1. 91 orange
2.tenacious turtles
3. True blue a
4. Express a
5.91 white
6. fl$
7. RVC futures A
8. Checkmate Sharks
9. Jesters
10. Outlaws

If u think this is a joke it's not as a player I've been to tournements and have seen who has beaten who this is based on stats

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1 turtles
2 exp terps blk
3 true blue
4 91
5 gladiators
6 fl$
7 jesters
8 exp terps white
9 l.i pride
10 outlaws

pretty accurate - any thoughts?

7-10 on that list are laughable! The Jesters are terrible at this age group. My sons town team has beaten them badly every time including this winter.

Interesting, considering Jesters 2017 Black did not play in any league or tournament over the winter that had town teams.

Jesters 2017 Black did play Gladiators in the fall and won, in OBLL and lost.

Maybe your sons town team played someone else over the winter.

Umm, FYI - the fall league game against the Gladiators the Jesters didn't have a goalie. The Gladiators goalies split time playing for both teams. Are you really counting that as a win? Besides it was fall ball - meaningless.

To me Long Island lacrosse is the best in the world and I think we have the best talent in the country at this age group. Be proud that your son is on a team at all and can compete at this level......

Best post ever

Putting a club like the Outlaws below Jesters and the pride a joke.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If u want an unbiased top 10 here it is

1. 91 orange
2.tenacious turtles
3. True blue a
4. Express a
5.91 white
6. fl$
7. RVC futures A
8. Checkmate Sharks
9. Jesters
10. Outlaws

If u think this is a joke it's not as a player I've been to tournements and have seen who has beaten who this is based on stats

Ok...it's a school night; shouldn't you be doing your homework? ;-)

Same person change 9 li pride 10 tomahawks or outlaws or jesters

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Best guess going into summer

1 Turtles
2 Express Terps Black / True Blue
3 ^^
4 91 Orange
5 Gladiators / Jesters Black / fl$
6 ^^
7 ^^
8 Express Terps B squad
9 Outlaws
10 91 White / TB B

91 WHITE?? lol! I watched Regular Terps (B) crushed them last week in Massapequa. had to be 13-1. If they are both B, than express B is million times better than 91 B.

What is a Regular Terp? If you really watched you would know it was a mixed group of Terps and Terps Black and that was told to me by Express parents. Also 91 had only 3 Defensemen and 15 players in total. If your going to brag at least be honest.

A Regular Terps is the NON TERP BLACK TEAM! Not that hard to figure out. Wasn't a mix group at all!! 3 Terp Black players filled in that 91 white game. It was a blow out. 91 White needs a ton of help.

91??? really? lol

does anyone feel the same way?

so far it seems obvious that the top 5 8th grade club teams can play with, and beat almost any public school JV team on the island... after watching 4 games of my sons JV games

based on your answer, i would hate to see your bias opinion...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Putting a club like the Outlaws below Jesters and the pride a joke.

Oh because the Outlaws are soooo much better than the Jesters right? Have you seen them play each other?

Sayville 8th Grade Mid- Fielder doing great on Varsity

CSH 8th Grade Mid- Fielder doing great on Varsity.

Both are scoring and playing a lot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sayville 8th Grade Mid- Fielder doing great on Varsity

CSH 8th Grade Mid- Fielder doing great on Varsity.

Both are scoring and playing a lot.

Both are exceptional players who will be highly recruited and possibly earliest 2017 Long Island commits.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Best guess going into summer

1 Turtles
2 Express Terps Black / True Blue
3 ^^
4 91 Orange
5 Gladiators / Jesters Black / fl$
6 ^^
7 ^^
8 Express Terps B squad
9 Outlaws
10 91 White / TB B

91 WHITE?? lol! I watched Regular Terps (B) crushed them last week in Massapequa. had to be 13-1. If they are both B, than express B is million times better than 91 B.

What is a Regular Terp? If you really watched you would know it was a mixed group of Terps and Terps Black and that was told to me by Express parents. Also 91 had only 3 Defensemen and 15 players in total. If your going to brag at least be honest.

A Regular Terps is the NON TERP BLACK TEAM! Not that hard to figure out. Wasn't a mix group at all!! 3 Terp Black players filled in that 91 white game. It was a blow out. 91 White needs a ton of help.

It definitely is hard to figure out because it changes all of the time!!! "Wasn't a mix group at all" but, there were 3 Terp Black players that "filled in" in the game? Crazy stuff people post on here...

Nice to Speak Positives.

Hauppauge 8th Middie seeing a lot of time.

Kings Park 8th Middie Playing as well.

Commack 8th Middie Playing a lot.

Any other besides the five Boys mentioned. Two of these five are Turtles and the other two a Team 91.

Deer Park 8th grader who is a Turtle starting on Varsity

Heard Crabs going to U15. Turtles?

crabs 2017 have to go u15. Thats the approprite age for them.

fyi- deer park probably could have used that 8th grader on jv yesterday, after a 15-1 drubbing by harborfield's JV team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice to Speak Positives.

Hauppauge 8th Middie seeing a lot of time.

Kings Park 8th Middie Playing as well.

Commack 8th Middie Playing a lot.

Any other besides the five Boys mentioned. Two of these five are Turtles and the other two a Team 91.

Thats great good for those boys! Hard work pays off, is that JV or Varsity for the above mentioned (KP, Happ & Commack)?

All 3 big time lacrosse programs?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All 3 big time lacrosse programs?

Who cares if its a "big time" lacrosse programs? So what! Its a great accomplishment for these kids. Your either jealous cause your kid wasn't moved up or live in a "big time" lacrosse HS town. So either tell your kid to work harder or MOVE.

I'm sure these Boys will get better from the competition they face each week by playing up. They should be better when they return to 2017 games.

Who cares if its a "big time" lacrosse programs? So what! Its a great accomplishment for these kids. Your either jealous cause your kid wasn't moved up or live in a "big time" lacrosse HS town. So either tell your kid to work harder or MOVE. [/quote]

My opinion more qualified than 55 yr old man if ur on the field u happen to no more

Pride didn't even have tryouts

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All 3 big time lacrosse programs?

Ah, there it is!! 7 full hours of positivity on here, knew it wouldn't last.

14 year olds on Varsity? Thats a lot of pressure (physically & mentally) to go out there with/against much older guys. What an accomplishment! Congratulations!

The outlaws and the jesters are both trash i saw 91 orange beat them 14-1 in a fall tournament both teams do not deserve to be there

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The outlaws and the jesters are both trash i saw 91 orange beat them 14-1 in a fall tournament both teams do not deserve to be there

Again a complete lie. 91 Orange beat the Jesters 7-1 at Halloween Havoc. I'm thinking the only trash in question is the moron who posted that calling 13 year old boys trash. Hows the view from that trailer you live in? Are you that insecure about yourself that you felt the need to disparage kids you don't know anyone about? Get a life.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The outlaws and the jesters are both trash i saw 91 orange beat them 14-1 in a fall tournament both teams do not deserve to be there

Trash? Very nice u are talking about 14 yr olds and analyzing a fall game when these squads were just formed and had little practice together. Which team does ur son play for as I would like to see the outlaws or jesters play them this summer and see how they do.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The outlaws and the jesters are both trash i saw 91 orange beat them 14-1 in a fall tournament both teams do not deserve to be there

Talk about "Trash"...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The outlaws and the jesters are both trash i saw 91 orange beat them 14-1 in a fall tournament both teams do not deserve to be there

Classy statement. Way to go, Dad.

Let's hope this is a misguided 14 year old trashing other 14 yr. oldsl

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The outlaws and the jesters are both trash i saw 91 orange beat them 14-1 in a fall tournament both teams do not deserve to be there

Im the one who posted outlaws and jesters in my top ten... My top 10 was based in stats and considering 91 was the top spot on my list I wouldn't say they did horrible based on the REAL score

Center Moriches attackman starting and playing alot

91 white lost their main faceoff middie after halloween havoc, I dont know if they filled the spot

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All 3 big time lacrosse programs?

Ah, there it is!! 7 full hours of positivity on here, knew it wouldn't last.

14 year olds on Varsity? Thats a lot of pressure (physically & mentally) to go out there with/against much older guys. What an accomplishment! Congratulations!

Lots of great players in Smithtown would love to move up to JV and Varsity. But the AD does not allow it! Too bad for the kids and program would be beneficial to let them start learning and growing the program. Should be equal opps for all the kids,districts shouldn't be allowed to make different rules,especially with all the early recruiting possibilities.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All 3 big time lacrosse programs?

Ah, there it is!! 7 full hours of positivity on here, knew it wouldn't last.

14 year olds on Varsity? Thats a lot of pressure (physically & mentally) to go out there with/against much older guys. What an accomplishment! Congratulations!

Lots of great players in Smithtown would love to move up to JV and Varsity. But the AD does not allow it! Too bad for the kids and program would be beneficial to let them start learning and growing the program. Should be equal opps for all the kids,districts shouldn't be allowed to make different rules,especially with all the early recruiting possibilities.

Smithtown varsity seems to be doing just fine without the toddlers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All 3 big time lacrosse programs?

Ah, there it is!! 7 full hours of positivity on here, knew it wouldn't last.

14 year olds on Varsity? Thats a lot of pressure (physically & mentally) to go out there with/against much older guys. What an accomplishment! Congratulations!

Lots of great players in Smithtown would love to move up to JV and Varsity. But the AD does not allow it! Too bad for the kids and program would be beneficial to let them start learning and growing the program. Should be equal opps for all the kids,districts shouldn't be allowed to make different rules,especially with all the early recruiting possibilities.

Farmingdale doesn't allow middle school kids to play high school sports either! I think its a good rule. The exceptional athlete still gets 4 yrs on Varsity.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Best guess going into summer

1 Turtles
2 Express Terps Black / True Blue
3 ^^
4 91 Orange
5 Gladiators / Jesters Black / fl$
6 ^^
7 ^^
8 Express Terps B squad
9 Outlaws
10 91 White / TB B

91 WHITE?? lol! I watched Regular Terps (B) crushed them last week in Massapequa. had to be 13-1. If they are both B, than express B is million times better than 91 B.

What is a Regular Terp? If you really watched you would know it was a mixed group of Terps and Terps Black and that was told to me by Express parents. Also 91 had only 3 Defensemen and 15 players in total. If your going to brag at least be honest.

A Regular Terps is the NON TERP BLACK TEAM! Not that hard to figure out. Wasn't a mix group at all!! 3 Terp Black players filled in that 91 white game. It was a blow out. 91 White needs a ton of help.

Ok I'm confused , Mike C coaches the Terps? who coaches the Terps black?

Mike coaches Terps Black. And from I can see there is a substantial dropoff when borrowing reg terps

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The outlaws and the jesters are both trash i saw 91 orange beat them 14-1 in a fall tournament both teams do not deserve to be there

Outlaws Black 2017 has not played 91 Orange 2017.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mike coaches Terps Black. And from I can see there is a substantial dropoff when borrowing reg terps

But he was coaching the Terps when they played the 91 White. Maybe just maybe something is askew with the Terp\Terp black world

Dude, I am with you completely. Amazing. Your score is accurate, and assessment of that person is as well. My kid happens to be on that team,91, and not a person involved either feels like that, or would post that. Good day

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mike coaches Terps Black. And from I can see there is a substantial dropoff when borrowing reg terps

Thats MC. He coached terps yesterday against RVC 7/8 grade team and killed them without terps black players BUT, as my son was getting on the field to play the next game and saw 3 of the top terps black players leaving the field when it was over. I guess those guys were his insurance policy lol. That guy is a piece of work. Why would you need those players against a 7/8th grade town team???

RVC Futures was supposed to play Express B team yesterday. Rumor has it RVC Futures was a decent town team and MC didn't want to lose to them so he sent an email to the Express A team seeing if some wanted to play. From talking to paople at the game, there were definitely some Express A players on the field. Express won 12-6.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

RVC Futures was supposed to play Express B team yesterday. Rumor has it RVC Futures was a decent town team and MC didn't want to lose to them so he sent an email to the Express A team seeing if some wanted to play. From talking to paople at the game, there were definitely some Express A players on the field. Express won 12-6.

A PAL teammate of my sons plays on the terps black team and he played in that game agains RVC yesterday morning at Mitchel field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mike coaches Terps Black. And from I can see there is a substantial dropoff when borrowing reg terps

Thats MC. He coached terps yesterday against RVC 7/8 grade team and killed them without terps black players BUT, as my son was getting on the field to play the next game and saw 3 of the top terps black players leaving the field when it was over. I guess those guys were his insurance policy lol. That guy is a piece of work. Why would you need those players against a 7/8th grade town team???

FYI

3 current Terps black were on the RVC team and the Terps black who showed up for reg Terps got a mighty 3-4 minutes cumulative playing time. No big deal. just fun LAX. so please reLAX.

Terps have some good players

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps have some good players

All of the upper tier club teams have some good players. Now if we can just consolidate them somehow!!

How about a tuition free team with coaches who do it for free to give back?

Hahahaha

Don't think so. He coaches both. They do not conflict - one being on a higher level than the other. Great coach and very pleased as a terp black parent. From my view, and I am only a parent who has had several D1 players, Terps Black is not in the same category as reg terps team. It is a special group of boys that are highly intelligent and wants to learn at a higher level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps have some good players

All of the upper tier club teams have some good players. Now if we can just consolidate them somehow!!

How about a tuition free team with coaches who do it for free to give back?

Hahahaha

Do what some have done in other grades. Get names and phone numbers of all of the kids you want to play together from various teams and "shop" them as a unit to express, 91, Jesters, fl$ etc. to use their infrastructure and access to practice fields. Not easy but it has been done.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Terps have some good players

All of the upper tier club teams have some good players. Now if we can just consolidate them somehow!!

How about a tuition free team with coaches who do it for free to give back?

Hahahaha [/

Do what some have done in other grades. Get names and phone numbers of all of the kids you want to play together from various teams and "shop" them as a unit to express, 91, Jesters, fl$ etc. to use their infrastructure and access to practice fields. Not easy but it has been done.

Can you elaborate on that topic please?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All 3 big time lacrosse programs?

Ah, there it is!! 7 full hours of positivity on here, knew it wouldn't last.

14 year olds on Varsity? Thats a lot of pressure (physically & mentally) to go out there with/against much older guys. What an accomplishment! Congratulations!

Lots of great players in Smithtown would love to move up to JV and Varsity. But the AD does not allow it! Too bad for the kids and program would be beneficial to let them start learning and growing the program. Should be equal opps for all the kids,districts shouldn't be allowed to make different rules,especially with all the early recruiting possibilities.

Smithtown varsity seems to be doing just fine without the toddlers.

Yes Mr Sarcastic,both East and West are doing just fine without the 8th graders....not the point! First off that is this year...seasons to come both teams will need the program to be built with a strong foundation from the bottom up. The choice of allowing an 8th grader to be moved up to JV or Varsity should be a coaches decision NOT the ADs "rule". Its all about feeding the program and it is done all over the state. It is the only district with a rule on the books that can not be changed without the school board and superientendents voting approval.That is not beneficial to the teams and players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mike coaches Terps Black. And from I can see there is a substantial dropoff when borrowing reg terps

Thats MC. He coached terps yesterday against RVC 7/8 grade team and killed them without terps black players BUT, as my son was getting on the field to play the next game and saw 3 of the top terps black players leaving the field when it was over. I guess those guys were his insurance policy lol. That guy is a piece of work. Why would you need those players against a 7/8th grade town team???

You say coach some say recruits, he is partially at these game to coach and partially there recruiting players. That is how you build your brand, you check out the competition and grab their top talent. Mike considers at feather in his cap that he personally destroyed the Massapequa lacrosse club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You say coach some say recruits, he is partially at these game to coach and partially there recruiting players. That is how you build your brand, you check out the competition and grab their top talent. Mike considers at feather in his cap that he personally destroyed the Massapequa lacrosse club.

Whether soccer, baseball, softball, hockey, basketball, or lacrosse, the same adage applies in youth sports : You cannot recruit a happy player or a satisfied parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All 3 big time lacrosse programs?

Ah, there it is!! 7 full hours of positivity on here, knew it wouldn't last.

14 year olds on Varsity? Thats a lot of pressure (physically & mentally) to go out there with/against much older guys. What an accomplishment! Congratulations!

Lots of great players in Smithtown would love to move up to JV and Varsity. But the AD does not allow it! Too bad for the kids and program would be beneficial to let them start learning and growing the program. Should be equal opps for all the kids,districts shouldn't be allowed to make different rules,especially with all the early recruiting possibilities.

Smithtown varsity seems to be doing just fine without the toddlers.

Yes Mr Sarcastic,both East and West are doing just fine without the 8th graders....not the point! First off that is this year...seasons to come both teams will need the program to be built with a strong foundation from the bottom up. The choice of allowing an 8th grader to be moved up to JV or Varsity should be a coaches decision NOT the ADs "rule". Its all about feeding the program and it is done all over the state. It is the only district with a rule on the books that can not be changed without the school board and superientendents voting approval.That is not beneficial to the teams and players.

There are other towns that have rules that don't allow middle school kids to play high school sports. Farmingdale is one and they won the state championship just 2 years ago and the girls team has won a few in the last 10 years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All 3 big time lacrosse programs?

Ah, there it is!! 7 full hours of positivity on here, knew it wouldn't last.

14 year olds on Varsity? Thats a lot of pressure (physically & mentally) to go out there with/against much older guys. What an accomplishment! Congratulations!

Lots of great players in Smithtown would love to move up to JV and Varsity. But the AD does not allow it! Too bad for the kids and program would be beneficial to let them start learning and growing the program. Should be equal opps for all the kids,districts shouldn't be allowed to make different rules,especially with all the early recruiting possibilities.

Smithtown varsity seems to be doing just fine without the toddlers.

Yes Mr Sarcastic,both East and West are doing just fine without the 8th graders....not the point! First off that is this year...seasons to come both teams will need the program to be built with a strong foundation from the bottom up. The choice of allowing an 8th grader to be moved up to JV or Varsity should be a coaches decision NOT the ADs "rule". Its all about feeding the program and it is done all over the state. It is the only district with a rule on the books that can not be changed without the school board and superientendents voting approval.That is not beneficial to the teams and players.

Not true!!! There are plenty of other school districts with the same rule!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All 3 big time lacrosse programs?

Ah, there it is!! 7 full hours of positivity on here, knew it wouldn't last.

14 year olds on Varsity? Thats a lot of pressure (physically & mentally) to go out there with/against much older guys. What an accomplishment! Congratulations!

Lots of great players in Smithtown would love to move up to JV and Varsity. But the AD does not allow it! Too bad for the kids and program would be beneficial to let them start learning and growing the program. Should be equal opps for all the kids,districts shouldn't be allowed to make different rules,especially with all the early recruiting possibilities.

Smithtown varsity seems to be doing just fine without the toddlers.

Yes Mr Sarcastic,both East and West are doing just fine without the 8th graders....not the point! First off that is this year...seasons to come both teams will need the program to be built with a strong foundation from the bottom up. The choice of allowing an 8th grader to be moved up to JV or Varsity should be a coaches decision NOT the ADs "rule". Its all about feeding the program and it is done all over the state. It is the only district with a rule on the books that can not be changed without the school board and superientendents voting approval.That is not beneficial to the teams and players.

I agree with you. Friends of ours dealing with same thing in a nassau HS that is not a powerhouse school, same situation. AD made up his own rule, no 8th graders on varsity. Player is on JV and varsity coaches want him with varsity. Thats why players leave these public schools.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All 3 big time lacrosse programs?

Ah, there it is!! 7 full hours of positivity on here, knew it wouldn't last.

14 year olds on Varsity? Thats a lot of pressure (physically & mentally) to go out there with/against much older guys. What an accomplishment! Congratulations!

Lots of great players in Smithtown would love to move up to JV and Varsity. But the AD does not allow it! Too bad for the kids and program would be beneficial to let them start learning and growing the program. Should be equal opps for all the kids,districts shouldn't be allowed to make different rules,especially with all the early recruiting possibilities.

Smithtown varsity seems to be doing just fine without the toddlers.

Yes Mr Sarcastic,both East and West are doing just fine without the 8th graders....not the point! First off that is this year...seasons to come both teams will need the program to be built with a strong foundation from the bottom up. The choice of allowing an 8th grader to be moved up to JV or Varsity should be a coaches decision NOT the ADs "rule". Its all about feeding the program and it is done all over the state. It is the only district with a rule on the books that can not be changed without the school board and superientendents voting approval.That is not beneficial to the teams and players.

I agree with you. Friends of ours dealing with same thing in a nassau HS that is not a powerhouse school, same situation. AD made up his own rule, no 8th graders on varsity. Player is on JV and varsity coaches want him with varsity. Thats why players leave these public schools.

Not just BOYS. Same thing in a Nassau HS with my daughter! AD is GOD! lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All 3 big time lacrosse programs?

Ah, there it is!! 7 full hours of positivity on here, knew it wouldn't last.

14 year olds on Varsity? Thats a lot of pressure (physically & mentally) to go out there with/against much older guys. What an accomplishment! Congratulations!

Lots of great players in Smithtown would love to move up to JV and Varsity. But the AD does not allow it! Too bad for the kids and program would be beneficial to let them start learning and growing the program. Should be equal opps for all the kids,districts shouldn't be allowed to make different rules,especially with all the early recruiting possibilities.

Smithtown varsity seems to be doing just fine without the toddlers.

Yes Mr Sarcastic,both East and West are doing just fine without the 8th graders....not the point! First off that is this year...seasons to come both teams will need the program to be built with a strong foundation from the bottom up. The choice of allowing an 8th grader to be moved up to JV or Varsity should be a coaches decision NOT the ADs "rule". Its all about feeding the program and it is done all over the state. It is the only district with a rule on the books that can not be changed without the school board and superientendents voting approval.That is not beneficial to the teams and players.

The AD is there to protect the coaches from getting run over roughshod by over zealous parents. Let the process play out in its natural rythem. Have you ever had to hold a season of practices with 40 boys and try to make the practices productive for all the boys? Give it a try and then come back and let us know how you made out. These coaches definately don't need an additional 5-10 self annointed diaper prodigies making the over crowded practce problem even worse. Same for JV parents wishing their kids were moved up to varsity - first ask the varsity coach how many more he can handle in practice when he already has a challenge figuring out what to do with his bottom 20. Relax - your time will eventually arrive when its supposed to.

Just do what a lot of the 8th grade kids parents did... threaten the coach/AD to take your kid to one of the catholic schools and parlay that into getting a varsity call...dont say it doesn't work because it certainly does !!!!!

your a joke if you think the varsity lax coach is worried about an 8th grade parent piping up for the lousy $8k per year coaches salary

Oh really.....about half that 8K stays with that coach for life comes retirement time.....think past your little nose and wake up....even at HS level its about money...and yea the coach/AD will bend especially if you include those that know school board members!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

your a joke if you think the varsity lax coach is worried about an 8th grade parent piping up for the lousy $8k per year coaches salary

Exactly! Varsity coaches are not threatened by very talented 8th graders, nor their parents. They pull them up & groom them into better players. It does, however, seem as though some 8th grade parents on here are threatened/jealous by very talented 8th graders.

Some school districts allow it, some dont. Some coaches do it, some dont. Some kids are ready, some are not & some will peak in 11th grade. Some of these kids playing with the older players work out & some dont. No two kids/situations are the same. To come on here & write things about 13/14 year old boys & their parents because of your insecurities is very transparent & quite honestly, pathetic!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just do what a lot of the 8th grade kids parents did... threaten the coach/AD to take your kid to one of the catholic schools and parlay that into getting a varsity call...dont say it doesn't work because it certainly does !!!!!

You can huff and puff but what if the AD/Coach calls your bluff and says "good ridance, have a nice life"!!! What do you do then when you didn't really intend to go the Catholic route? Your kid is toast if you decide to stay and you may not be happy with the switch if you do leave. Good luck with all that.

Northport Varsity 6 to 0 in A division. Go Tigers!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just do what a lot of the 8th grade kids parents did... threaten the coach/AD to take your kid to one of the catholic schools and parlay that into getting a varsity call...dont say it doesn't work because it certainly does !!!!!

You can huff and puff but what if the AD/Coach calls your bluff and says "good ridance, have a nice life"!!! What do you do then when you didn't really intend to go the Catholic route? Your kid is toast if you decide to stay and you may not be happy with the switch if you do leave. Good luck with all that.

Def.....good luck with that move. I'm sure coaches and AD's respect that. Some of these guys are worse than stage mothers of little actresses.

Minimize the drams, guys. You might actually gain an ounce of respect.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just do what a lot of the 8th grade kids parents did... threaten the coach/AD to take your kid to one of the catholic schools and parlay that into getting a varsity call...dont say it doesn't work because it certainly does !!!!!

Not in the lax towns it doesnt. Our Varsity coach doesnt even think about you until youre in 10th grade unless youre a freak of nature. Try that in my town, the response would be, "dont let the door hit you in the a**"..........

I don't know an 8th grader that could get away with that, and I know some pretty great 8th graders. You must come from a weak LAX town to make that kind of statement, and what makes you think an 8th grader can say that to an AD/Coach and think he can just walk on to a (Chaminade, St Ants, etc...) maybe Holy Trinity (No Offence)!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't know an 8th grader that could get away with that, and I know some pretty great 8th graders. You must come from a weak LAX town to make that kind of statement, and what makes you think an 8th grader can say that to an AD/Coach and think he can just walk on to a (Chaminade, St Ants, etc...) maybe Holy Trinity (No Offence)!!

Well said. There are many former 8th grade phenom's either not playing at St A's and Cham or have left and gone back to their towns after getting a lax education on what "a great player" really means. By the way, there are also some D1 commits that don't play much either. Careful about running over to one of the above schools, I promise you they are NOT waiting with open arms for your kid!!! As good as you think your son is, there are 5 or more kids at his position just as good or BETTER.

somebody has to be good enough...

Very few 8th graders are playing varsity at quality lax programs, yes they are participating at some of the weaker schools. It is really a matter of the system. St. Anthony's had 65 kids tryout for JV this year and many of them that were good enough to make the team didn't. St. Anthonys JV could beat many varsity squads. that is just a reality. So while people are playing the I am going to a catholic school card to the weaker public schools, the reality is that is all it is, a card. Also why would you want your 8th grade kid hanging around 12th graders? My 8th grade kid is pleased to play JV and will most likely play JV again next year, as there are 6 D1 kids at his position in our school this year and only one is graduating.

terps black is the B Team turtles are the A Team in that age group lets clarify that

What school is this with 6 D1 kids all in the same position? I assume middie?

Its not WM, they have no 8th graders on JV, I dont think WI or smithtown (east or west) have signed 6 middies?

Garden City?

congratulations to your son for being able to make JV in 8th grade...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What school is this with 6 D1 kids all in the same position? I assume middie?

Its not WM, they have no 8th graders on JV, I dont think WI or smithtown (east or west) have signed 6 middies?

Garden City?

congratulations to your son for being able to make JV in 8th grade...

Its definitely not West Islip, they did not bring a single 8th grader up

Originally Posted by Anonymous

terps black is the B Team turtles are the A Team in that age group lets clarify that

Ill reply to your incorrect yet stupid random statement in your silly post, when the turtles wear a express helmet, colors and uniform we will say they are part of the express. Until than, Terps Black is the A team in 2017 express. Do I feel that the Turtles are better than Terps Black? Yes I do.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very few 8th graders are playing varsity at quality lax programs, yes they are participating at some of the weaker schools. It is really a matter of the system. St. Anthony's had 65 kids tryout for JV this year and many of them that were good enough to make the team didn't. St. Anthonys JV could beat many varsity squads. that is just a reality. So while people are playing the I am going to a catholic school card to the weaker public schools, the reality is that is all it is, a card. Also why would you want your 8th grade kid hanging around 12th graders? My 8th grade kid is pleased to play JV and will most likely play JV again next year, as there are 6 D1 kids at his position in our school this year and only one is graduating.

Why post this? What are you trying to convince yourself or someone else? Is your situation/decision the only right one?Some people are not in "quality lax" schools (as you would so nicely put it). So the option for them is to play where they belong in that program, be it JV or Varsity. Some kids will make the team @ St. Anthonys, & its not a "card" they are playing. It is great that your son is pleased to play JV for the next year or two & you have 6 D1 kids playing in his position. Not everyone is in the same position. Maybe you should consider moving to a "weaker" lax program for him to get some playing time? IDK nor would I ever assume I did. I just dont understand the anger or resentment towards other players decisions. Do what is best for your kid & stop the hating towards others. I have not seen one post from an 8th grade player or their parent boasting about thier situation on here, IDK why you feel it necessary to put them down. Live & let live, it will all work out in the end.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

terps black is the B Team turtles are the A Team in that age group lets clarify that

Why do we need to clarify that again?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

terps black is the B Team turtles are the A Team in that age group lets clarify that

Ill reply to your incorrect yet stupid random statement in your silly post, when the turtles wear a express helmet, colors and uniform we will say they are part of the express. Until than, Terps Black is the A team in 2017 express. Do I feel that the Turtles are better than Terps Black? Yes I do.

The Turtles are part of the Long Island Express program! They are even listed on the website under the tournaments for which ones they will attend and what hotel they are booked at.

They are the A team in the program followed by the Terps black, Terps, wolverines, phiranas all 2017

Originally Posted by Anonymous

terps black is the B Team turtles are the A Team in that age group lets clarify that

Ill reply to your incorrect yet stupid random statement in your silly post, when the turtles wear a express helmet, colors and uniform we will say they are part of the express. Until than, Terps Black is the A team in 2017 express. Do I feel that the Turtles are better than Terps Black? Yes I do.

The Turtles are part of the Long Island Express program! They are even listed on the website under the tournaments for which ones they will attend and what hotel they are booked at.

They are the A team in the program followed by the Terps black, Terps, wolverines, phiranas all 2017

Why do they wear a different color combo than ALL the Express teams? Why do they NOT have a Express helmet decal system like 95% of the Express players? Why do they have their OWN website which is a STAND ALONE form the Express teams?
Why Why Why?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

terps black is the B Team turtles are the A Team in that age group lets clarify that

Ill reply to your incorrect yet stupid random statement in your silly post, when the turtles wear a express helmet, colors and uniform we will say they are part of the express. Until than, Terps Black is the A team in 2017 express. Do I feel that the Turtles are better than Terps Black? Yes I do.

The Turtles are part of the Long Island Express program! They are even listed on the website under the tournaments for which ones they will attend and what hotel they are booked at.

They are the A team in the program followed by the Terps black, Terps, wolverines, phiranas all 2017

Why do they wear a different color combo than ALL the Express teams? Why do they NOT have a Express helmet decal system like 95% of the Express players? Why do they have their OWN website which is a STAND ALONE form the Express teams?
Why Why Why?

Time for some lithium

Originally Posted by Anonymous

terps black is the B Team turtles are the A Team in that age group lets clarify that

Ill reply to your incorrect yet stupid random statement in your silly post, when the turtles wear a express helmet, colors and uniform we will say they are part of the express. Until than, Terps Black is the A team in 2017 express. Do I feel that the Turtles are better than Terps Black? Yes I do.

The Turtles are part of the Long Island Express program! They are even listed on the website under the tournaments for which ones they will attend and what hotel they are booked at.

They are the A team in the program followed by the Terps black, Terps, wolverines, phiranas all 2017

Why do they wear a different color combo than ALL the Express teams? Why do they NOT have a Express helmet decal system like 95% of the Express players? Why do they have their OWN website which is a STAND ALONE form the Express teams?
Why Why Why?

Because they weren't always part of the express. But they are now!

WHY ?? Because of the egos that established the team JD !!
Can stand alone only so far !!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

terps black is the B Team turtles are the A Team in that age group lets clarify that

Ill reply to your incorrect yet stupid random statement in your silly post, when the turtles wear a express helmet, colors and uniform we will say they are part of the express. Until than, Terps Black is the A team in 2017 express. Do I feel that the Turtles are better than Terps Black? Yes I do.

The Turtles are part of the Long Island Express program! They are even listed on the website under the tournaments for which ones they will attend and what hotel they are booked at.

They are the A team in the program followed by the Terps black, Terps, wolverines, phiranas all 2017

Why do they wear a different color combo than ALL the Express teams? Why do they NOT have a Express helmet decal system like 95% of the Express players? Why do they have their OWN website which is a STAND ALONE form the Express teams?
Why Why Why?

Because they weren't always part of the express. But they are now!

weak answer. They been loosly part of express for 4 years, why is it taking so long to get a uniform the same color as the club you are SUPPOSEDLY with. I guess the turtle coach doesn't know anyone who makes lacrosse uniforms, oh well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

terps black is the B Team turtles are the A Team in that age group lets clarify that

Ill reply to your incorrect yet stupid random statement in your silly post, when the turtles wear a express helmet, colors and uniform we will say they are part of the express. Until than, Terps Black is the A team in 2017 express. Do I feel that the Turtles are better than Terps Black? Yes I do.

The Turtles are part of the Long Island Express program! They are even listed on the website under the tournaments for which ones they will attend and what hotel they are booked at.

They are the A team in the program followed by the Terps black, Terps, wolverines, phiranas all 2017

Why do they wear a different color combo than ALL the Express teams? Why do they NOT have a Express helmet decal system like 95% of the Express players? Why do they have their OWN website which is a STAND ALONE form the Express teams?
Why Why Why?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

weak answer. They been loosly part of express for 4 years, why is it taking so long to get a uniform the same color as the club you are SUPPOSEDLY with. I guess the turtle coach doesn't know anyone who makes lacrosse uniforms, oh well.

This isn't the first time that express teams wore different stuff. In alot the age groups in past years the A teams wore different helmets to stand apart from the other teams like solid orange helmets for example. Also aren't the terps uniforms different from the other express teams?

Why are people upset that the Turtles are part of the express organization? It's just the way it is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

weak answer. They been loosly part of express for 4 years, why is it taking so long to get a uniform the same color as the club you are SUPPOSEDLY with. I guess the turtle coach doesn't know anyone who makes lacrosse uniforms, oh well.

This isn't the first time that express teams wore different stuff. In alot the age groups in past years the A teams wore different helmets to stand apart from the other teams like solid orange helmets for example. Also aren't the terps uniforms different from the other express teams?

Why are people upset that the Turtles are part of the express organization? It's just the way it is.

Formalizing the relationship with the Express will add some presige to the Express program in this age group. The Express wants to set itself up for another U15 championshp this year and next and know that the Turtles are the only ones that can pull it off. Terps are now the B team and will most likely not be going to the U15 tourney Summer of 2014. Some of the parents on this team should shop the best players on this team as a complete package to one of the other programs that needs a good team in this age bracket and wants to compete at the U15 tourney.

A package of cry baby parents. You lost with Pat and now MC. Maybe you can merge with the Jesters.9

Originally Posted by Anonymous

weak answer. They been loosly part of express for 4 years, why is it taking so long to get a uniform the same color as the club you are SUPPOSEDLY with. I guess the turtle coach doesn't know anyone who makes lacrosse uniforms, oh well.

This isn't the first time that express teams wore different stuff. In alot the age groups in past years the A teams wore different helmets to stand apart from the other teams like solid orange helmets for example. Also aren't the terps uniforms different from the other express teams?

Why are people upset that the Turtles are part of the express organization? It's just the way it is.

yes, several teams in express have different uniforms Terps to your point. BUT, still in the express color scheme! I think the person makes a valid point about turtles having different colors.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

weak answer. They been loosly part of express for 4 years, why is it taking so long to get a uniform the same color as the club you are SUPPOSEDLY with. I guess the turtle coach doesn't know anyone who makes lacrosse uniforms, oh well.

This isn't the first time that express teams wore different stuff. In alot the age groups in past years the A teams wore different helmets to stand apart from the other teams like solid orange helmets for example. Also aren't the terps uniforms different from the other express teams?

Why are people upset that the Turtles are part of the express organization? It's just the way it is.

yes, several teams in express have different uniforms Terps to your point. BUT, still in the express color scheme! I think the person makes a valid point about turtles having different colors.

Who care what colors they wear? It seems the only people that have a problem with the Turtles being considered Express are the other 2017 Express parents. As an outsider the Turtles are the Express A team. Sorry, the other teams are B, C, D, Etc. (no matter how much the Terps parents boast, cry, complain or point fingers)

Here is the standings for boys 2017 spring teams

1: Checkmate Sharks
2: Vipers Lacrosee
3: Freeport PAL
4: Topside Shooters
5: Jesters
6: Hempstead PAL
7: RVC Futures
8: Midshipmen Lacrosse
9: 91 navy
10: Express Terps

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A package of cry baby parents. You lost with Pat and now MC. Maybe you can merge with the Jesters.9

Pat? This is a different team (which means bunch of different players that were on 2017 Orange last year), do your homework dummy. Our kids have already won several tournaments already and beat several strong teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

weak answer. They been loosly part of express for 4 years, why is it taking so long to get a uniform the same color as the club you are SUPPOSEDLY with. I guess the turtle coach doesn't know anyone who makes lacrosse uniforms, oh well.

This isn't the first time that express teams wore different stuff. In alot the age groups in past years the A teams wore different helmets to stand apart from the other teams like solid orange helmets for example. Also aren't the terps uniforms different from the other express teams?

Why are people upset that the Turtles are part of the express organization? It's just the way it is.

yes, several teams in express have different uniforms Terps to your point. BUT, still in the express color scheme! I think the person makes a valid point about turtles having different colors.

Who care what colors they wear? It seems the only people that have a problem with the Turtles being considered Express are the other 2017 Express parents. As an outsider the Turtles are the Express A team. Sorry, the other teams are B, C, D, Etc. (no matter how much the Terps parents boast, cry, complain or point fingers)

If you took the time to READ previous post in the thread instead of insulting the players on terps black and terps you would see the topic came up of turtles not being a real express team. Than someone posted a good point of why do they where different colors for years. No one was complaint tough guy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

weak answer. They been loosly part of express for 4 years, why is it taking so long to get a uniform the same color as the club you are SUPPOSEDLY with. I guess the turtle coach doesn't know anyone who makes lacrosse uniforms, oh well.

This isn't the first time that express teams wore different stuff. In alot the age groups in past years the A teams wore different helmets to stand apart from the other teams like solid orange helmets for example. Also aren't the terps uniforms different from the other express teams?

Why are people upset that the Turtles are part of the express organization? It's just the way it is.

yes, several teams in express have different uniforms Terps to your point. BUT, still in the express color scheme! I think the person makes a valid point about turtles having different colors.

Who care what colors they wear? It seems the only people that have a problem with the Turtles being considered Express are the other 2017 Express parents. As an outsider the Turtles are the Express A team. Sorry, the other teams are B, C, D, Etc. (no matter how much the Terps parents boast, cry, complain or point fingers)

If you took the time to READ previous post in the thread instead of insulting the players on terps black and terps you would see the topic came up of turtles not being a real express team. Than someone posted a good point of why do they where different colors for years. No one was complaint tough guy.

Definitely READ the previous posts in the thread. NEVER insulted any players on the terps black or terps. Did throw in an insult to the parents. The Turtles are part of the Express organization. It is insulting to them for you to say otherwise. & Im not a tough guy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A package of cry baby parents. You lost with Pat and now MC. Maybe you can merge with the Jesters.9

Pat? This is a different team (which means bunch of different players that were on 2017 Orange last year), do your homework dummy. Our kids have already won several tournaments already and beat several strong teams.

Yes, we know, you keep telling us

Turtles would beat you by 10.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Turtles would beat you by 10.

I've occasionally heard that the Turtles might be going to the U15 tourney in Florida this year. If true that would be a year ahead of schedule. What's the story? If true, would they have to "play in" or do they automatically qualify because of the [lacrosse]'s championship? I'd love to see this happen. Think they could go deep against a weak 2016 field. Also, any word on whether the Crabs are going to finally show up?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Turtles would beat you by 10.

I've occasionally heard that the Turtles might be going to the U15 tourney in Florida this year. If true that would be a year ahead of schedule. What's the story? If true, would they have to "play in" or do they automatically qualify because of the [lacrosse]'s championship? I'd love to see this happen. Think they could go deep against a weak 2016 field. Also, any word on whether the Crabs are going to finally show up?

Friend of a friend of a friend who does not have a dog in this fight heard from a friend on a different team of a friend who does have a dog in this fight told him that the turtles are booked for the U15.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

terps black is the B Team turtles are the A Team in that age group lets clarify that

Ill reply to your incorrect yet stupid random statement in your silly post, when the turtles wear a express helmet, colors and uniform we will say they are part of the express. Until than, Terps Black is the A team in 2017 express. Do I feel that the Turtles are better than Terps Black? Yes I do.

Don't ask Why ask Who as in Who really cares, Turtles are part of the Express but Who cares.
The Turtles are part of the Long Island Express program! They are even listed on the website under the tournaments for which ones they will attend and what hotel they are booked at.

They are the A team in the program followed by the Terps black, Terps, wolverines, phiranas all 2017

Why do they wear a different color combo than ALL the Express teams? Why do they NOT have a Express helmet decal system like 95% of the Express players? Why do they have their OWN website which is a STAND ALONE form the Express teams?
Why Why Why?

Crabs 2016 are too old for the Dicks Tourn. They would have to bring their 2017 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2016 are too old for the Dicks Tourn. They would have to bring their 2017 team.

The question was regarding the Crabs showing up at the U15 tourney, not [lacrosse]'s. I would imagine the Crabs 2016 would be eligible. Unless the Crabs 2016 team is full of kids who are 16 year old high school Freshmen now and will be 20 during their Freshman year of college. An issue that has recently come up on the laxpower forum highlighting a 16 year old "Freshman" recruit to UVA from MD.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2016 are too old for the Dicks Tourn. They would have to bring their 2017 team.

The question was regarding the Crabs showing up at the U15 tourney, not [lacrosse]'s. I would imagine the Crabs 2016 would be eligible. Unless the Crabs 2016 team is full of kids who are 16 year old high school Freshmen now and will be 20 during their Freshman year of college. An issue that has recently come up on the laxpower forum highlighting a 16 year old "Freshman" recruit to UVA from MD.

They would not be eligible ... perfect example of how it's handled ..not the crabs but still the same...you considered Duke, Harvard and Princeton.... so lets hold him back in 9th grade so he can drive to school and drink as a freshman in college... I guess they have the money there to support their kids until they are 25 and graduate college.

Recruiting notes: Mass. freshman [lacrosse] orally commits to Hoyas

Freshman defenseman Tim [lacrosse] of The Rivers School in Weston, Mass., has orally committed to Georgetown, joining a handful of players in the Class of 2016 who have have made college commitments before beginning high school competition.

[lacrosse] played with the Fighting Clams' 2015 AA squad before beginning a repeat freshman year at Rivers, where he was also a starter in football last season. An All-Star at Baltimore Summer Kickoff and Hotbeds, [lacrosse] has attended Yale Bulldog Bash, UMass Midsummer's Classic, Philly Showcase and Harvard Crimson Fall Classic. He also considered Duke, North Carolina, Princeton and Harvard.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Turtles would beat you by 10.

I've occasionally heard that the Turtles might be going to the U15 tourney in Florida this year. If true that would be a year ahead of schedule. What's the story? If true, would they have to "play in" or do they automatically qualify because of the [lacrosse]'s championship? I'd love to see this happen. Think they could go deep against a weak 2016 field. Also, any word on whether the Crabs are going to finally show up?

Play in? The Big $ Daddy Turtle will pull that string also. That 2016 field will eat up the turtles. Not much light at the end of that tunnel in Fla come the summer, enjoy the hype now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

weak answer. They been loosly part of express for 4 years, why is it taking so long to get a uniform the same color as the club you are SUPPOSEDLY with. I guess the turtle coach doesn't know anyone who makes lacrosse uniforms, oh well.

This isn't the first time that express teams wore different stuff. In alot the age groups in past years the A teams wore different helmets to stand apart from the other teams like solid orange helmets for example. Also aren't the terps uniforms different from the other express teams?

Why are people upset that the Turtles are part of the express organization? It's just the way it is.

Formalizing the relationship with the Express will add some presige to the Express program in this age group. The Express wants to set itself up for another U15 championshp this year and next and know that the Turtles are the only ones that can pull it off. Terps are now the B team and will most likely not be going to the U15 tourney Summer of 2014. Some of the parents on this team should shop the best players on this team as a complete package to one of the other programs that needs a good team in this age bracket and wants to compete at the U15 tourney.

Turtles vs top u15 or 2016 teams what a joke. Lehigh Laxfest, Turtles got beat by Team Victor (2016) team and this past Fall at Maverick tournament on LI lost to a Westchester based 2016 team. What makes anyone think this excellent 2017 team can beat ANY elite 2016 team? Not happening.

yes , they are a team full of 16 yr old freshmen

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2016 are too old for the Dicks Tourn. They would have to bring their 2017 team.

The question was regarding the Crabs showing up at the U15 tourney, not [lacrosse]'s. I would imagine the Crabs 2016 would be eligible. Unless the Crabs 2016 team is full of kids who are 16 year old high school Freshmen now and will be 20 during their Freshman year of college. An issue that has recently come up on the laxpower forum highlighting a 16 year old "Freshman" recruit to UVA from MD.

WOW. What a shocking revelation about MD lax teams... Of course the crabs won't show up. If they actually had to put kids in a tourney based on age they would get killed against the best teams. See 91 xtreme website, they played a crabs team that was supposed to be 2018, not. They blew them out 8-2 anyway. No I'm not a 91 parent. Just a long time LI lax parent. These MD teams have been playing down for years. This article on lax power finally proves it... A 16 yo HS freshman, please. Two years older than every LI 2016. I bet if half the current 16 yo HS jr's from LI were playing against 14 yo kids they'd look like a superstars too... Can anyone post the link to that article? Thx.

Can anyone explain to me why the people on this board hate the turtles so much? They are a great LONG ISLAND based team which is a good thing!

I can understand hating the great pro teams but not a team of boys.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone explain to me why the people on this board hate the turtles so much? They are a great LONG ISLAND based team which is a good thing!

I can understand hating the great pro teams but not a team of boys.

Ever play king of the hill?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone explain to me why the people on this board hate the turtles so much? They are a great LONG ISLAND based team which is a good thing!

I can understand hating the great pro teams but not a team of boys.

Ever play king of the hill?

or inferiority complex?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone explain to me why the people on this board hate the turtles so much? They are a great LONG ISLAND based team which is a good thing!

I can understand hating the great pro teams but not a team of boys.

It seems that most of the hate for the turtles comes from the parent of the other 4 express 2017 teams. Most likely because there kids aren't good enough to be asked to be on the organizations A team.

Its only human nature to hate something you can never have get over it and have your son work harder and maybe someday he to can be a turtle

Ill bet only 1 or 2 kids from turtles wind up
Doing anything after their turtle career is
Over. Enjoy it now as a 14 yr old, I've seen them
Play and it's not happening on the college
Level. Sorry turtle parents at least you can say
They were the best 8th grade team ever!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone explain to me why the people on this board hate the turtles so much? They are a great LONG ISLAND based team which is a good thing!

I can understand hating the great pro teams but not a team of boys.

It seems that most of the hate for the turtles comes from the parent of the other 4 express 2017 teams. Most likely because there kids aren't good enough to be asked to be on the organizations A team.

I can see your point. Kinda tough to capsulate all the 2017 non turtle express players in the way you did. I actually heard a few kids from other 2017 express teams have either played for the turtles or have decline playing for them? Thats what I heard from a few different people outside of express.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2016 are too old for the Dicks Tourn. They would have to bring their 2017 team.

The question was regarding the Crabs showing up at the U15 tourney, not [lacrosse]'s. I would imagine the Crabs 2016 would be eligible. Unless the Crabs 2016 team is full of kids who are 16 year old high school Freshmen now and will be 20 during their Freshman year of college. An issue that has recently come up on the laxpower forum highlighting a 16 year old "Freshman" recruit to UVA from MD.

WOW. What a shocking revelation about MD lax teams... Of course the crabs won't show up. If they actually had to put kids in a tourney based on age they would get killed against the best teams. See 91 xtreme website, they played a crabs team that was supposed to be 2018, not. They blew them out 8-2 anyway. No I'm not a 91 parent. Just a long time LI lax parent. These MD teams have been playing down for years. This article on lax power finally proves it... A 16 yo HS freshman, please. Two years older than every LI 2016. I bet if half the current 16 yo HS jr's from LI were playing against 14 yo kids they'd look like a superstars too... Can anyone post the link to that article? Thx.

My oldest son is beyond this now so he doesn't have to deal with this crap anymore. But for years we watched and marvelled at how much bigger the MD boys always seemed to be. And for years I would get the same stock answer (like it was maybe rehearsed?)from all of the MD parents I'd ask about age - they would always dance around it and say they were all in 8th or 9th grade and that they were not aware of anyone born in a particular year (ie. 93 or 94 etc.). You could tell how uncomfortable they were talking about age and that they'd rather pull their own tooth (yes, punn intended)out than talk about age. But we always had our strong suspicions, we just could never find any way to prove it. Here's the article. FINALLY BUSTED!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...e2-9c03-6952ff305f35_story.html?hpid=z14

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My oldest son is beyond this now so he doesn't have to deal with this crap anymore. But for years we watched and marvelled at how much bigger the MD boys always seemed to be. And for years I would get the same stock answer (like it was maybe rehearsed?)from all of the MD parents I'd ask about age - they would always dance around it and say they were all in 8th or 9th grade and that they were not aware of anyone born in a particular year (ie. 93 or 94 etc.). You could tell how uncomfortable they were talking about age and that they'd rather pull their own tooth (yes, punn intended)out than talk about age. But we always had our strong suspicions, we just could never find any way to prove it. Here's the article. FINALLY BUSTED!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...e2-9c03-6952ff305f35_story.html?hpid=z14

Excellent article covering many different points and recommended reading for all BOTC visitors (although we are not sure about what was "busted" in the article's text). Some of the key sections of the article are these:

Fully-funded Division I teams � there are currently 63 squads at the top level, with four more set to debut next spring [Furman, Boston University, Richmond and Monmouth] � divide 12.6 scholarships over a roster of about 40 players, and full rides to play the sport at the next level are almost unheard of.
By the time college coaches can call players or speak with them off campus � July 1 before a recruit�s senior year of high school � most recruiting classes have already filled up.
�If you don�t [reach out early], those players and their families will think that you�re not interested while maybe some of the guys that you�re competing against are,� Maryland Coach John Tillman added.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My oldest son is beyond this now so he doesn't have to deal with this crap anymore. But for years we watched and marvelled at how much bigger the MD boys always seemed to be. And for years I would get the same stock answer (like it was maybe rehearsed?)from all of the MD parents I'd ask about age - they would always dance around it and say they were all in 8th or 9th grade and that they were not aware of anyone born in a particular year (ie. 93 or 94 etc.). You could tell how uncomfortable they were talking about age and that they'd rather pull their own tooth (yes, punn intended)out than talk about age. But we always had our strong suspicions, we just could never find any way to prove it. Here's the article. FINALLY BUSTED!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...e2-9c03-6952ff305f35_story.html?hpid=z14

Excellent article covering many different points and recommended reading for all BOTC visitors (although we are not sure about what was "busted" in the article's text). Some of the key sections of the article are these:

Fully-funded Division I teams � there are currently 63 squads at the top level, with four more set to debut next spring [Furman, Boston University, Richmond and Monmouth] � divide 12.6 scholarships over a roster of about 40 players, and full rides to play the sport at the next level are almost unheard of.
By the time college coaches can call players or speak with them off campus � July 1 before a recruit�s senior year of high school � most recruiting classes have already filled up.
�If you don�t [reach out early], those players and their families will think that you�re not interested while maybe some of the guys that you�re competing against are,� Maryland Coach John Tillman added.

So, most likely this boy will finish his undergraduate studies (if he doesn't do 5 years like some are doing - redshirting etc.) at the age of 24 or possibley 25. Wow, thats potentially a lot of lost income and time building a real career.

I think the "busted" part is that, according to the article, this MD-area phenom is a 16 year old freshman (with a graduation year of 2016).

According to another article, this particular player "plays club for the 2016 Greene Turtle Lacrosse Club (D.C.). This fall, Greene Turtle D.C. competed in UPLax and the Greene Turtle Fall Invitational." Here is the link: http://articles.baltimoresun.com/20..._1_forry-smith-commitments-john-mcdonald

A tad old for 2016, no? Wonder what the age/grade restrictions were for those two tournaments -- and all the others in the past several years!

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My oldest son is beyond this now so he doesn't have to deal with this crap anymore. But for years we watched and marvelled at how much bigger the MD boys always seemed to be. And for years I would get the same stock answer (like it was maybe rehearsed?)from all of the MD parents I'd ask about age - they would always dance around it and say they were all in 8th or 9th grade and that they were not aware of anyone born in a particular year (ie. 93 or 94 etc.). You could tell how uncomfortable they were talking about age and that they'd rather pull their own tooth (yes, punn intended)out than talk about age. But we always had our strong suspicions, we just could never find any way to prove it. Here's the article. FINALLY BUSTED!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...e2-9c03-6952ff305f35_story.html?hpid=z14

Excellent article covering many different points and recommended reading for all BOTC visitors (although we are not sure about what was "busted" in the article's text). Some of the key sections of the article are these:

Fully-funded Division I teams � there are currently 63 squads at the top level, with four more set to debut next spring [Furman, Boston University, Richmond and Monmouth] � divide 12.6 scholarships over a roster of about 40 players, and full rides to play the sport at the next level are almost unheard of.
By the time college coaches can call players or speak with them off campus � July 1 before a recruit�s senior year of high school � most recruiting classes have already filled up.
�If you don�t [reach out early], those players and their families will think that you�re not interested while maybe some of the guys that you�re competing against are,� Maryland Coach John Tillman added.

I think "BUSTED" means they mentioned in harmless fashion in the article that the freshman is 16 years old. Im pretty sure the average Jr. is 16 years old!! Crazy, how could you be proud of your kids accomplishments on the field when he's going up against kids two years younger? My son is age appropriate, I guess Im a sucker. lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ill bet 11 or 12 kids from turtles wind up
in div I after their turtle career is
Over. Enjoy it now as a 14 yr old, I've seen them
Play and it's happening on the college
Level. Turtle parents you can say
They are the best 8th grade team ever!!

About time someone gave them some credit..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ill bet 11 or 12 kids from turtles wind up
in div I after their turtle career is
Over. Enjoy it now as a 14 yr old, I've seen them
Play and it's happening on the college
Level. Turtle parents you can say
They are the best 8th grade team ever!!

About time someone gave them some credit..

Lol, agreed!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone explain to me why the people on this board hate the turtles so much? They are a great LONG ISLAND based team which is a good thing!

I can understand hating the great pro teams but not a team of boys.

It seems that most of the hate for the turtles comes from the parent of the other 4 express 2017 teams. Most likely because there kids aren't good enough to be asked to be on the organizations A team.

Like

Just curious - seriously, not trying to stir anything. Have the turtles ever played the 2017 crabs? If so, what was the outcome? If not, would like to see that happen at some point. Thanks.

The sad part is you turtle parents actually
Believe it. Not happening though, sorry.
But your right you can hang your hat on
Being the best 8th gr team. Yeahhhhh!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curious - seriously, not trying to stir anything. Have the turtles ever played the 2017 crabs? If so, what was the outcome? If not, would like to see that happen at some point. Thanks.

Beat them at Young Guns in MD last year 11-1

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curious - seriously, not trying to stir anything. Have the turtles ever played the 2017 crabs? If so, what was the outcome? If not, would like to see that happen at some point. Thanks.

Beat them at Young Guns in MD last year 11-1

Tell the truth, completly different 2017 Crabs team this year. "U15 Crabs". Legit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curious - seriously, not trying to stir anything. Have the turtles ever played the 2017 crabs? If so, what was the outcome? If not, would like to see that happen at some point. Thanks.

Beat them at Young Guns in MD last year 11-1

Tell the truth, completly different 2017 Crabs team this year. "U15 Crabs". Legit.

Truth was told. Read the question again, then read the answer AGAIN, lather, rinse, repeat.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curious - seriously, not trying to stir anything. Have the turtles ever played the 2017 crabs? If so, what was the outcome? If not, would like to see that happen at some point. Thanks.

Beat them at Young Guns in MD last year 11-1

Tell the truth, completly different 2017 Crabs team this year. "U15 Crabs". Legit.

Q: Have the turtles ever played the "2017" crabs?
A: Beat them at Young Guns in MD last year 11-1
Reply: completly different 2017 Crabs team this year. "U15 Crabs"

Thanks again for pointing out how MD hold the kids back to compete. Of course its a totally different team, you have all the 2016 kids who were held back on the team now

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curious - seriously, not trying to stir anything. Have the turtles ever played the 2017 crabs? If so, what was the outcome? If not, would like to see that happen at some point. Thanks.

Beat them at Young Guns in MD last year 11-1

Tell the truth, completly different 2017 Crabs team this year. "U15 Crabs". Legit.

Are U15 crabs going to LarryMiller?

And that response is exactly why no one
Likes the turtles. Pompous arrogant parents.
Kids are nice, parents not so nice. Never played
The game but sure think they know it all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curious - seriously, not trying to stir anything. Have the turtles ever played the 2017 crabs? If so, what was the outcome? If not, would like to see that happen at some point. Thanks.

Beat them at Young Guns in MD last year 11-1

Tell the truth, completly different 2017 Crabs team this year. "U15 Crabs". Legit.

Q: Have the turtles ever played the "2017" crabs?
A: Beat them at Young Guns in MD last year 11-1
Reply: completly different 2017 Crabs team this year. "U15 Crabs"

Thanks again for pointing out how MD hold the kids back to compete. Of course its a totally different team, you have all the 2016 kids who were held back on the team now

Exactly, now lets blend the turtles with the 2016 orange. take the best kids. Practice them and play the U-15 Crabs. Crabs would have zero shot at winning that game!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And that response is exactly why no one
Likes the turtles. Pompous arrogant parents.
Kids are nice, parents not so nice. Never played
The game but sure think they know it all.

I have spoken with a number of those parents and they are not what you explained...sure you arent confusing them with terps or 91 parents or are you the buffoon? Are you disqualifying a parent because they didnt play this particular game or any sport?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curious - seriously, not trying to stir anything. Have the turtles ever played the 2017 crabs? If so, what was the outcome? If not, would like to see that happen at some point. Thanks.

Beat them at Young Guns in MD last year 11-1

Tell the truth, completly different 2017 Crabs team this year. "U15 Crabs". Legit.

Why blend the turtles and 2016 orange....there are plenty of 2017 players who are better than the turtle players.

Q: Have the turtles ever played the "2017" crabs?
A: Beat them at Young Guns in MD last year 11-1
Reply: completly different 2017 Crabs team this year. "U15 Crabs"

Thanks again for pointing out how MD hold the kids back to compete. Of course its a totally different team, you have all the 2016 kids who were held back on the team now

Exactly, now lets blend the turtles with the 2016 orange. take the best kids. Practice them and play the U-15 Crabs. Crabs would have zero shot at winning that game!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And that response is exactly why no one
Likes the turtles. Pompous arrogant parents.
Kids are nice, parents not so nice. Never played
The game but sure think they know it all.

after reading some of your posts it seems like you would fit right in with them .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The outlaws and the jesters are both trash i saw 91 orange beat them 14-1 in a fall tournament both teams do not deserve to be there

The Outlaws beat the Terps 8-4 yesterday at the Pro Player tournament. Which team does your son play for Mr. Garbage Man?

The terps are c and d playrers big deal

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The terps are c and d playrers big deal

First off, I feel its very disrespectful to call any young player "c" or "d" players. If one of those young men read this stuff the kid would feel pretty rotten, you are a a'hole for that comment.

The blame has to go on the man who invented the sport, MC. That whole 2017 express age is a mess . Teams are a mess, once he split the terp team its been a bad domino effect which is hurting the age group for express badly. I feel you have to give turtles credit, MC cannot (and will not even try!!) to push JD around!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curious - seriously, not trying to stir anything. Have the turtles ever played the 2017 crabs? If so, what was the outcome? If not, would like to see that happen at some point. Thanks.

Beat them at Young Guns in MD last year 11-1

Tell the truth, completly different 2017 Crabs team this year. "U15 Crabs". Legit.

Why blend the turtles and 2016 orange....there are plenty of 2017 players who are better than the turtle players.

Q: Have the turtles ever played the "2017" crabs?
A: Beat them at Young Guns in MD last year 11-1
Reply: completly different 2017 Crabs team this year. "U15 Crabs"

Thanks again for pointing out how MD hold the kids back to compete. Of course its a totally different team, you have all the 2016 kids who were held back on the team now

Exactly, now lets blend the turtles with the 2016 orange. take the best kids. Practice them and play the U-15 Crabs. Crabs would have zero shot at winning that game!

You are an idiot. None of the current U15 Crabs played on the U15 Crabs last season.

Good one. Surprised you didn't say "I know you are but what am I"

I don't think you under stand how it works with the terps. Mc is not in the charge a couple of the money guys run the terps. That is a shame, and a fact.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The terps are c and d playrers big deal

So which Express team(s) has the A and B players?

I think u know the answer.dy

Unbiased top 10 for this age group. Opinions?
1. Turtles (they remain at the top until they are beaten)
2. Terps Black
3. 91 orange
4. True Blue
5. fl$
6. Gladiators
7. Outlaws
8. Jesters
9. Terps (reg.)
10. 91 white

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The terps are c and d playrers big deal

So which Express team(s) has the A and B players?

Turtles & terps black

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The terps are c and d playrers big deal

So which Express team(s) has the A and B players?

Turtles & terps black

Terps Blacks is an A team. Without question.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The terps are c and d playrers big deal

So which Express team(s) has the A and B players?

Turtles & terps black

Terps Blacks is an A team. Without question.

I agree but in the 2017 express organization the terps black are the B team behind the turtles.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The terps are c and d playrers big deal

So which Express team(s) has the A and B players?

Turtles & terps black

Terps Blacks is an A team. Without question.

I agree but in the 2017 express organization the terps black are the B team behind the turtles.

Oh right the Turtles are the only A team in the Express at this age. Get real! The Terps Black enter every tournament at the A level. Sounds like an A team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The terps are c and d playrers big deal

So which Express team(s) has the A and B players?

Turtles & terps black

So if a 2017 Terps team loses, it was the regular Terps and if they win, it was Terps black. Very convienient.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh right the Turtles are the only A team in the Express at this age. Get real! The Terps Black enter every tournament at the A level. Sounds like an A team.

There can only be one #1 team in a age group! That's obvious and it's the Turtles for the 2017 express!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So if a 2017 Terps team loses, it was the regular Terps and if they win, it was Terps black. Very convienient.

I think that the players on the Terps black and the terps are interchangeable. My sons friend is on the Terps black and he has played games and tournaments with the black team.

In the 2017 express world the only team that doesn't have players coming and going are the turtles and that is because MC isn't in control of that team or they would too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The terps are c and d playrers big deal

So which Express team(s) has the A and B players?

Turtles & terps black

So if a 2017 Terps team loses, it was the regular Terps and if they win, it was Terps black. Very convienient.

Not true, Terps played on Saturday in a tournament and lost in Championship. Terps Black play Gladiators last week and lost. Several Terps & Terps Black parents on here telling the TRUTH.

Nice try on stirring it up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh right the Turtles are the only A team in the Express at this age. Get real! The Terps Black enter every tournament at the A level. Sounds like an A team.

There can only be one #1 team in a age group! That's obvious and it's the Turtles for the 2017 express!

Says who? You? The Express has 4 teams in 2017 age group and the turtle team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So if a 2017 Terps team loses, it was the regular Terps and if they win, it was Terps black. Very convienient.

I think that the players on the Terps black and the terps are interchangeable. My sons friend is on the Terps black and he has played games and tournaments with the black team.

In the 2017 express world the only team that doesn't have players coming and going are the turtles and that is because MC isn't in control of that team or they would too.

they aren't interchangeable at all. 4 middies go back and fourth. Not enough on black

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So if a 2017 Terps team loses, it was the regular Terps and if they win, it was Terps black. Very convienient.

I think that the players on the Terps black and the terps are interchangeable. My sons friend is on the Terps black and he has played games and tournaments with the black team.

In the 2017 express world the only team that doesn't have players coming and going are the turtles and that is because MC isn't in control of that team or they would too.

I agree with the "coming and going" comment and MC. You re right, turtles don't have that because JD would never allow it.

Bottom line is this: MC is jealous of the money JD has, so MC "devised" this terps concept to seperate as much money as possible from the parents.

Promise 40 kids that they are the best, charge though the roof. When they complain about something, you interchange them for one tournament/game. Problem solved and then you can ask for more money... Actually he is smart business man

Originally Posted by Anonymous

they aren't interchangeable at all. 4 middies go back and fourth. Not enough on black

LOL you admit that it's true while saying it's not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

they aren't interchangeable at all. 4 middies go back and fourth. Not enough on black

Hahahahaha not enough middies between the 2017 terps black, terps, phiranas, & wolverines? That's a ridiculous statement. I know a long pole that plays moves between black and terps!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

they aren't interchangeable at all. 4 middies go back and fourth. Not enough on black

Hahahahaha not enough middies between the 2017 terps black, terps, phiranas, & wolverines? That's a ridiculous statement. I know a long pole that plays moves between black and terps!

Your missing my point, the middies the head coach wants to play at higher level. False on the long pole.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

they aren't interchangeable at all. 4 middies go back and fourth. Not enough on black

LOL you admit that it's true while saying it's not.

Maybe he's saying there isn't enough players on black rooster to play completely separate from terps?

Are terps black going to tri state?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are terps black going to tri state?

I heard they are not

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are terps black going to tri state?

I heard they are not

I heard that a lot of the Long Island AA teams are going to NXT Philly Invitational that weekend instead of Tri State.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are terps black going to tri state?

I heard they are not

I heard that a lot of the Long Island AA teams are going to NXT Philly Invitational that weekend instead of Tri State.

Top teams also going to Young Guns in Maryland. Turtles, Terps black, TB, Crabs, Wcs, Breakers, Denver Elite, Dukes and VLC. Best of the best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are terps black going to tri state?

I heard they are not

I heard that a lot of the Long Island AA teams are going to NXT Philly Invitational that weekend instead of Tri State.

Top teams also going to Young Guns in Maryland. Turtles, Terps black, TB, Crabs, Wcs, Breakers, Denver Elite, Dukes and VLC. Best of the best.

Young Guns and Tri-State are on different weekends.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are terps black going to tri state?

I heard they are not

I heard that a lot of the Long Island AA teams are going to NXT Philly Invitational that weekend instead of Tri State.

Top teams also going to Young Guns in Maryland. Turtles, Terps black, TB, Crabs, Wcs, Breakers, Denver Elite, Dukes and VLC. Best of the best.

Young Guns and Tri-State are on different weekends.

I am aware, I was just pointing out the quality of teams at YG. Are any of the better teams are doing TriState?

In the past our team found the short games at Tristate tough to get all the players good playing time and it was hard to get there for the Friday night games, sitting in traffic,one year we missed the game.Another yearwe had a Friday night game canc due to weather and it was not made up,another year due to heat the games were shortened to 20 mis that was horrible!! I would rather due a sat and sun with full games anytime!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In the past our team found the short games at Tristate tough to get all the players good playing time and it was hard to get there for the Friday night games, sitting in traffic,one year we missed the game.Another yearwe had a Friday night game canc due to weather and it was not made up,another year due to heat the games were shortened to 20 mis that was horrible!! I would rather due a sat and sun with full games anytime!

You are absolutely correct - experienced the same things each year. Never understood the draw of this tournament given the location, weather, traffic, and short games (even without the bad weather).

So we are into the school lax season full swing....how are the 8th grade players that are playing for their JV and Varsity teams doing?? We are only a few short months away from our first of the Rising Freshman group to start the recruiting process!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So we are into the school lax season full swing....how are the 8th grade players that are playing for their JV and Varsity teams doing?? We are only a few short months away from our first of the Rising Freshman group to start the recruiting process!!

Not sure if this was asked sarcastically or not but from what I've seen of JV this year:
Kings Park had a couple of 8th graders who were major contributors. Goalie was great (think he was with Turtles) and big middie (from 91) was the big threat.

Miller place had a couple of 8th graders but no-one stood out. Big threat if I remember was a 9th grader from TLI.

Glenn had 2 8th graders starting. Both from 91, the defender showed some nice stick work.

Sayville has a few 8th graders starting, couple from 91. Middie is taking FO and doing well. Goalie is an 8th grader as is 1 attack and 1 defender. All contribute.

Kings Park-6 wins Div 2
Glenn-5 wins Div 2

I would hardly say they are making an impact for below .500 teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So we are into the school lax season full swing....how are the 8th grade players that are playing for their JV and Varsity teams doing?? We are only a few short months away from our first of the Rising Freshman group to start the recruiting process!!

OK!!!!!!!!!! Let the games(nonesense) begin!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kings Park-6 wins Div 2
Glenn-5 wins Div 2

I would hardly say they are making an impact for below .500 teams.

So when lebron played for a below 500 caveliers team, he wasn't making an impact?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kings Park-6 wins Div 2
Glenn-5 wins Div 2

I would hardly say they are making an impact for below .500 teams.

So when lebron played for a below 500 caveliers team, he wasn't making an impact?

LOL great point!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kings Park-6 wins Div 2
Glenn-5 wins Div 2

I would hardly say they are making an impact for below .500 teams.

KP Goalie is on JV and middie is varsity and had a bum knee for 2nd half of season.

cavaliers went to NBA finals !!!!!!! You are un-informed remarks are a real good point!!!

Bum knee...then why playing Varsity???? Thankyou...no impact!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kings Park-6 wins Div 2
Glenn-5 wins Div 2

I would hardly say they are making an impact for below .500 teams.

So when lebron played for a below 500 caveliers team, he wasn't making an impact?

Clevland Cavs record
05-42-40
06-50-32
07-50-32
08-45-37
09-66-16
10-61-21

Your ignorence is showing!!!!

LOL great point!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kings Park-6 wins Div 2
Glenn-5 wins Div 2

I would hardly say they are making an impact for below .500 teams.

So when lebron played for a below 500 caveliers team, he wasn't making an impact?

Clevland Cavs record
05-42-40
06-50-32
07-50-32
08-45-37
09-66-16
10-61-21

Your ignorence is showing!!!!

LOL great point!

You missed 04 season when he won rookie of the year and the cavs where 35-47.....but that's not what makes your statement ignorant

An 8th grader playing varsity is crazy. So there's no one within 4 years of that kid who can play. Must not have a good program if you have to rely on a 14 yr old playing with 18 yr olds. Shame on the AD.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

An 8th grader playing varsity is crazy. So there's no one within 4 years of that kid who can play. Must not have a good program if you have to rely on a 14 yr old playing with 18 yr olds. Shame on the AD.

Disagree!,great way tobuild a great program.WI does it often so does WM to JV Cold Spring Harbor Smithtown.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So we are into the school lax season full swing....how are the 8th grade players that are playing for their JV and Varsity teams doing?? We are only a few short months away from our first of the Rising Freshman group to start the recruiting process!!

OK!!!!!!!!!! Let the games(nonesense) begin!!!!

why games? Or nonsense.... this summer starts the beginning for this age group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kings Park-6 wins Div 2
Glenn-5 wins Div 2

I would hardly say they are making an impact for below .500 teams.

The question was "how are the 8th grade players that are playing JV & Varsity doing?" But, thank you for your nasty comment...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

An 8th grader playing varsity is crazy. So there's no one within 4 years of that kid who can play. Must not have a good program if you have to rely on a 14 yr old playing with 18 yr olds. Shame on the AD.

It does not mean there is "No one" within 4 years of "that kid" who can play (there wouldnt be a team) It means, in his program, he can "run with the big boys" I know you will go on with "in the stronger lax towns"... bottom line these kids live where they live & were asked to play where they play. There is no need for anyone to get personal or "Shame on the AD". These kids were asked to play, took the physical & competed physically (as well as emotionally) with the older kids. Not one of the kids/parents have been on here boasting about them. The question was asked how the 8th graders were doing. IDK why you ADULTS feel the need to have to put them down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

An 8th grader playing varsity is crazy. So there's no one within 4 years of that kid who can play. Must not have a good program if you have to rely on a 14 yr old playing with 18 yr olds. Shame on the AD.

just read about some girls having an impact at Smithtown East and aboy at Cold Spring that stepped in and is playing very well. I think it is a good way to geed a program in that the players more often get better coaching at that level,and with more and more players playing year round,the middle school rules of 5 quarters and everyone plays for 2 each,seems to be an outdated system.

Who ask the question? I am sure one of the parents who's kid is playing up.I think it is great, know most of the kids all great players,

Actually,no my kid isn't playing up and I asked the question. Everything isn't a conspiracy...I have a legit interest in how the season has been going for some of the players that I have heard were moved up. And guess what,I actually care about it because of a real interest in lacrosse. I am not a crazy self promoting,all about me parent. I love lax and so does my son. We just like to talk it and read about the interseting side of the game...not the BS that too many people concern themself with.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bum knee...then why playing Varsity???? Thankyou...no impact!!

You're pathetic (& you're welcome)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

An 8th grader playing varsity is crazy. So there's no one within 4 years of that kid who can play. Must not have a good program if you have to rely on a 14 yr old playing with 18 yr olds. Shame on the AD.

It does not mean there is "No one" within 4 years of "that kid" who can play (there wouldnt be a team) It means, in his program, he can "run with the big boys" I know you will go on with "in the stronger lax towns"... bottom line these kids live where they live & were asked to play where they play. There is no need for anyone to get personal or "Shame on the AD". These kids were asked to play, took the physical & competed physically (as well as emotionally) with the older kids. Not one of the kids/parents have been on here boasting about them. The question was asked how the 8th graders were doing. IDK why you ADULTS feel the need to have to put them down.

No matter what you say about passing a physical/test to play, its common sense that there's a major risk when a kid who can't bench press his own weight (as only one measure of overall strength) is going up against defensemen who are benching 250-300. I am well aware that this is not football but theres a reason why upperclassmen and college players live in the weightroom - because it does make a huge difference in their competitiveness. 8th or 9th graders simply haven't had that time yet to build their bodies while the kids they are matching up with have. Its purely physics and such a mismatch is asking for trouble. The size and speed of these college bound upperclassmen is unbelievable if you ever get a chance to see them play up close from the sidelines. A serious injury to an 8th or 9th grader because of this mismatch could set the kid back 1 - 2 years. Worth it?

I guess it IS worth it, if it ends up WORTH IT! I hope it does, as I am sure you do, as well. (yes, I am certain that you do). The kid will probably live. Wish him/ them well.

If your kid was CAPABLE, (note that BIG and STRONG and VERY QUICK and MATURE were not mentioned, but inferred) I am sure that when approached by the older coaching staff, you would decline immediately. Something's showing!

Could it set the kid back, let's say, 3 months, or for good? I guess that an injury could. Many things can actually kill you, such as riding a bike, crossing the road, going into a school, or decaying on the web, as we are here. Being the best player on any team is guaranteed to set, or hold you back. I hope that those kids whom you are so envious of continue to try as hard at what they do, as you do at what you do!

Just for fun...what current college players played up as an 8th grader? I know Nick Galasso (SU) did at West Islip

Originally Posted by Anonymous

An 8th grader playing varsity is crazy. So there's no one within 4 years of that kid who can play. Must not have a good program if you have to rely on a 14 yr old playing with 18 yr olds. Shame on the AD.

It does not mean there is "No one" within 4 years of "that kid" who can play (there wouldnt be a team) It means, in his program, he can "run with the big boys" I know you will go on with "in the stronger lax towns"... bottom line these kids live where they live & were asked to play where they play. There is no need for anyone to get personal or "Shame on the AD". These kids were asked to play, took the physical & competed physically (as well as emotionally) with the older kids. Not one of the kids/parents have been on here boasting about them. The question was asked how the 8th graders were doing. IDK why you ADULTS feel the need to have to put them down.

No matter what you say about passing a physical/test to play, its common sense that there's a major risk when a kid who can't bench press his own weight (as only one measure of overall strength) is going up against defensemen who are benching 250-300. I am well aware that this is not football but theres a reason why upperclassmen and college players live in the weightroom - because it does make a huge difference in their competitiveness. 8th or 9th graders simply haven't had that time yet to build their bodies while the kids they are matching up with have. Its purely physics and such a mismatch is asking for trouble. The size and speed of these college bound upperclassmen is unbelievable if you ever get a chance to see them play up close from the sidelines. A serious injury to an 8th or 9th grader because of this mismatch could set the kid back 1 - 2 years. Worth it?

"Common sense" is... these 8th graders HAVE "seen" them up close (they've played with/against them all season) Thank you for your "concern" but, I can guarantee you the decision for the kids to play where they are was WELL thought out by the the coaches, the players, the parents, & the AD. Their size, ability, maturity was ALL taken into consideration.

Great question. If anybody knows, please chime in.

How about GC'17?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just for fun...what current college players played up as an 8th grader? I know Nick Galasso (SU) did at West Islip

James Pannell Virginia played at Smithtown West

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about GC'17?

great team

His parents, Crazy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kings Park-6 wins Div 2
Glenn-5 wins Div 2

I would hardly say they are making an impact for below .500 teams.

I don't think that the intention was to utilize these kids as weapons. I think that the coaches may have seen something exceptional, and was hoping to nurture it, harvest it. Pace a kid with older and better kids for more years. Simple theory. Not all kids can run with the older bunch, while these kids can, I guess. Heck, I guess somebody thinks so. It just wreaks of pure envy, the statement about hardly making an impact. First, the goal may have been more long term. But secondly, and more importantly, do you even care a little bit about disguising the hate? I would think that you could put a smidge more effort into that!
Wish these kids well, although it is certain that you don't. That thought process is going to eat you up, and maybe even effect your own situation!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So we are into the school lax season full swing....how are the 8th grade players that are playing for their JV and Varsity teams doing?? We are only a few short months away from our first of the Rising Freshman group to start the recruiting process!!

Not sure if this was asked sarcastically or not but from what I've seen of JV this year:
Kings Park had a couple of 8th graders who were major contributors. Goalie was great (think he was with Turtles) and big middie (from 91) was the big threat.

Miller place had a couple of 8th graders but no-one stood out. Big threat if I remember was a 9th grader from TLI.

Glenn had 2 8th graders starting. Both from 91, the defender showed some nice stick work.

Sayville has a few 8th graders starting, couple from 91. Middie is taking FO and doing well. Goalie is an 8th grader as is 1 attack and 1 defender. All contribute.

Any Nassau kids play JV or Varsity this past season? Or is it a 631 HS thing only? I have a 2019 Nassau kid want to know if we will be denied once he's an 8th grader.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So we are into the school lax season full swing....how are the 8th grade players that are playing for their JV and Varsity teams doing?? We are only a few short months away from our first of the Rising Freshman group to start the recruiting process!!

Not sure if this was asked sarcastically or not but from what I've seen of JV this year:
Kings Park had a couple of 8th graders who were major contributors. Goalie was great (think he was with Turtles) and big middie (from 91) was the big threat.

Miller place had a couple of 8th graders but no-one stood out. Big threat if I remember was a 9th grader from TLI.

Glenn had 2 8th graders starting. Both from 91, the defender showed some nice stick work.

Sayville has a few 8th graders starting, couple from 91. Middie is taking FO and doing well. Goalie is an 8th grader as is 1 attack and 1 defender. All contribute.

Any Nassau kids play JV or Varsity this past season? Or is it a 631 HS thing only? I have a 2019 Nassau kid want to know if we will be denied once he's an 8th grader.

So you already think your current 6th grader should be on varsity 2 years from now?
What a tool!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So we are into the school lax season full swing....how are the 8th grade players that are playing for their JV and Varsity teams doing?? We are only a few short months away from our first of the Rising Freshman group to start the recruiting process!!

Not sure if this was asked sarcastically or not but from what I've seen of JV this year:
Kings Park had a couple of 8th graders who were major contributors. Goalie was great (think he was with Turtles) and big middie (from 91) was the big threat.

Miller place had a couple of 8th graders but no-one stood out. Big threat if I remember was a 9th grader from TLI.

Glenn had 2 8th graders starting. Both from 91, the defender showed some nice stick work.

Sayville has a few 8th graders starting, couple from 91. Middie is taking FO and doing well. Goalie is an 8th grader as is 1 attack and 1 defender. All contribute.

Any Nassau kids play JV or Varsity this past season? Or is it a 631 HS thing only? I have a 2019 Nassau kid want to know if we will be denied once he's an 8th grader.

Not just a Suffolk HS thing as far as 8th graders playing up on JV orV. Below are a few more Nassau players who have played HS lacrosse this year and all excelled.

Cold Spring Habor HS- two players ( attack and mid) Attack was starter

Mineola HS- two players on (mid and Dman) D was starter

Plainedge HS- one player (Dman) starter

Wantagh HS - one player (attack)

Friends Acd- three players (2 Dman, mid) all three starters

The messed up thing IMO is that many of the Nassau players mentioned are NOT going to their public school which is wrong of their town HS programs & parents allow the player to take a spot from someone who isn't going to Chaminade or St Ant's next season!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So we are into the school lax season full swing....how are the 8th grade players that are playing for their JV and Varsity teams doing?? We are only a few short months away from our first of the Rising Freshman group to start the recruiting process!!

Not sure if this was asked sarcastically or not but from what I've seen of JV this year:
Kings Park had a couple of 8th graders who were major contributors. Goalie was great (think he was with Turtles) and big middie (from 91) was the big threat.

Miller place had a couple of 8th graders but no-one stood out. Big threat if I remember was a 9th grader from TLI.

Glenn had 2 8th graders starting. Both from 91, the defender showed some nice stick work.

Sayville has a few 8th graders starting, couple from 91. Middie is taking FO and doing well. Goalie is an 8th grader as is 1 attack and 1 defender. All contribute.

Any Nassau kids play JV or Varsity this past season? Or is it a 631 HS thing only? I have a 2019 Nassau kid want to know if we will be denied once he's an 8th grader.

There are articles on MSG Varisty about a CSH 8th grader on Varsity and a Syossett 9th grader who played varsity in 8th

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So we are into the school lax season full swing....how are the 8th grade players that are playing for their JV and Varsity teams doing?? We are only a few short months away from our first of the Rising Freshman group to start the recruiting process!!

Not sure if this was asked sarcastically or not but from what I've seen of JV this year:
Kings Park had a couple of 8th graders who were major contributors. Goalie was great (think he was with Turtles) and big middie (from 91) was the big threat.

Miller place had a couple of 8th graders but no-one stood out. Big threat if I remember was a 9th grader from TLI.

Glenn had 2 8th graders starting. Both from 91, the defender showed some nice stick work.

Sayville has a few 8th graders starting, couple from 91. Middie is taking FO and doing well. Goalie is an 8th grader as is 1 attack and 1 defender. All contribute.

Any Nassau kids play JV or Varsity this past season? Or is it a 631 HS thing only? I have a 2019 Nassau kid want to know if we will be denied once he's an 8th grader.

So you already think your current 6th grader should be on varsity 2 years from now?
What a tool!

Thanks to all who answered my question and actual HELPED with great info for some of us who are a couple years behind most of you guys!

Now, that doesn't make me a "tool". What makes YOU a tool is that you cannot read, what I said was if we will be denied once he's an 8th grader - dumb [lacrosse].

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So we are into the school lax season full swing....how are the 8th grade players that are playing for their JV and Varsity teams doing?? We are only a few short months away from our first of the Rising Freshman group to start the recruiting process!!

Not sure if this was asked sarcastically or not but from what I've seen of JV this year:
Kings Park had a couple of 8th graders who were major contributors. Goalie was great (think he was with Turtles) and big middie (from 91) was the big threat.

Miller place had a couple of 8th graders but no-one stood out. Big threat if I remember was a 9th grader from TLI.

Glenn had 2 8th graders starting. Both from 91, the defender showed some nice stick work.

Sayville has a few 8th graders starting, couple from 91. Middie is taking FO and doing well. Goalie is an 8th grader as is 1 attack and 1 defender. All contribute.

Any Nassau kids play JV or Varsity this past season? Or is it a 631 HS thing only? I have a 2019 Nassau kid want to know if we will be denied once he's an 8th grader.

Not just a Suffolk HS thing as far as 8th graders playing up on JV orV. Below are a few more Nassau players who have played HS lacrosse this year and all excelled.

Cold Spring Habor HS- two players ( attack and mid) Attack was starter

Mineola HS- two players on (mid and Dman) D was starter

Plainedge HS- one player (Dman) starter

Wantagh HS - one player (attack)

Friends Acd- three players (2 Dman, mid) all three starters

The messed up thing IMO is that many of the Nassau players mentioned are NOT going to their public school which is wrong of their town HS programs & parents allow the player to take a spot from someone who isn't going to Chaminade or St Ant's next season!

That should have nothing to do with the decision for a public middle school.That would not be fair because things happen and peoples lives and decisions change. If a kid is good enough parents and coaches agree and he/she passes the physical tests,so be it and good luck. On the flip side, maybe by including this player he may decide to not leave his current district. It could work both ways

They beat fl$ today 8-1...shows how good a town team really is

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They beat fl$ today 8-1...shows how good a town team really is

who beat fl$ today?

I heard they smacked fl$ 8-1 not sure how good the 2017 fl$ Team is but GC made a statement

A 2017 Garden City Team with all kids from GC i think they play together through the summer

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A 2017 Garden City Team with all kids from GC i think they play together through the summer

Do they play on other teams too

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard they smacked fl$ 8-1 not sure how good the 2017 fl$ Team is but GC made a statement

Something not right at fl$. The Director and his nephew were at the Pro Player tourn. The Director and his brother were watching the nephew and two other 2018 players play for another travel team. While the rest of the 2018 team was playing a game at OBLL. Odd.

Really ? That is odd what team were they playing with?Was it the kids town team?That would make sense

The fl$ kid is 2018, not 2017. Yes, they prioritize Cold Spring Harbor lax over fl$, but that is the club motto. Home town lacrosse before all other.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The fl$ kid is 2018, not 2017. Yes, they prioritize Cold Spring Harbor lax over fl$, but that is the club motto. Home town lacrosse before all other.

It wasn't CSH lax. It was team Threashers another travel team. Is playing for another travel team part of the club motto?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really ? That is odd what team were they playing with?Was it the kids town team?That would make sense

No actually it was team Threashers. Kind of strange to be playing for another travel team with the Director of fl$ watching it. While the 2018 fl$ team they are supposed to be playing for is playing at OBLL.

Nope just this through the summer.

Mattituck JV brought up 5 8th graders, Did they make an impact? Last year's JV went 0-14, this year's JV same team plus 5 8th graders who all started and played, they went 7-7, I would say that's a start in the right direction and having a positive impact on a program. It's not only skill and ability that they bring to the team, it's also Lacrosse knowledge and an understanding of the game.

Those articles are CRAZY, written by CRAZY people, about CRAZY things. The whole thing is CRAZY. CRAZY people call people CRAZY. CRAZY, jealous, uninformed, ignorant people are CRAZY!

AHHHHHH. Clear, coherent, rationale. So nice. So they may not be "CRAZY" ?!?!?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mattituck JV brought up 5 8th graders, Did they make an impact? Last year's JV went 0-14, this year's JV same team plus 5 8th graders who all started and played, they went 7-7, I would say that's a start in the right direction and having a positive impact on a program. It's not only skill and ability that they bring to the team, it's also Lacrosse knowledge and an understanding of the game.

That's a great way to build the program.Good Luck to them. Remember it should be about the best coaching and learning situation for these kids to develop.This isn't PAL lax. I once heard it call honors lax,just like an academic class.

Mattituck JV brought up 5 8th graders, Did they make an impact? Last year's JV went 0-14, this year's JV same team plus 5 8th graders who all started and played, they went 7-7, I would say that's a start in the right direction and having a positive impact on a program. It's not only skill and ability that they bring to the team, it's also Lacrosse knowledge and an understanding of the game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mattituck JV brought up 5 8th graders, Did they make an impact? Last year's JV went 0-14, this year's JV same team plus 5 8th graders who all started and played, they went 7-7, I would say that's a start in the right direction and having a positive impact on a program. It's not only skill and ability that they bring to the team, it's also Lacrosse knowledge and an understanding of the game.

Why was this comment repeated? Most people didn't know or care that Mattituck even played lacrosse.

Well that's disappointing to hear. Sounds like do as I say and not as I do. But then again, only God knows what the real story is.

So GC Summer Travel Team beat fl$ in one game. GC 8th Grade Middle School team (with a bigger and deeper team) lost to Manhasset 8th Grade Middle School. That same GC team also beat CSH 8th Grade who beat Manhasset in OT. Don't get caught up in individual game results. They are all kids and some days they show up collectively and some days they don't.

Manhasset 8th grade beat Watagh 8th grade in double overtime yesterday.

All of those teams are good Garden City has a very good defense, Mannhasset has a very sounded offense and CSH has a good strong midfield, GC has very skilled middies while Mannhasset attack is very skilled

Ms gasser went into overtime and won vs Wantagh, who Garden City beat 12-1

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ms gasser went into overtime and won vs Wantagh, who Garden City beat 12-1

some towns are mandated to play as many kids as possible

OKAY, I think that the 4th graders have figured out about the web site. Cat's out of the bag.........

Some coaches run their teams in the same manner, with less emphasis on outcome. I personally would keep my best on the field, but many coaches seem to feel the need to exhibit their power by "sitting" the travel kids more than others would. Might this be wise? I can think of many benefits offered by this. Can you?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mattituck JV brought up 5 8th graders, Did they make an impact? Last year's JV went 0-14, this year's JV same team plus 5 8th graders who all started and played, they went 7-7, I would say that's a start in the right direction and having a positive impact on a program. It's not only skill and ability that they bring to the team, it's also Lacrosse knowledge and an understanding of the game.

Why was this comment repeated? Most people didn't know or care that Mattituck even played lacrosse.

WOW, how obnoxious...

Does anyone know who won the 8th grade Terps vs Jesters yesterday??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know who won the 8th grade Terps vs Jesters yesterday??

Jesters won by a few. Well played, competitive game all around

Please tell us.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know who won the 8th grade Terps vs Jesters yesterday??

Jesters beat Terps 9-6 (??)
than Terps BLACK beat Vipers 2016

The schools put the kids through a battery of tests and then take into consideration safety and playing time before they bring up an 8th grader to JV. My son had a great experience on JV this year, although I will admit seeing him going up against 200 plus pound 10th grade defenders made me a bit nervous. It was great training though and he learned strategies to use his speed and quickness to get around them. In our case he didn't take playing time away from anyone as the team really needed him at his position and the older kids were happy to have him on the team. I think it may have been different if we was taking an older kids spot though.

Terps Black beat 9th grade Vipers

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know who won the 8th grade Terps vs Jesters yesterday??

Jesters beat Terps 9-6 (??)
than Terps BLACK beat Vipers 2016

Is this the same Jesters 2017 team that had a parent going off on the team, coaches and organization on another thread? I guess they are not that bad. I wonder if that parent will now begin heaping praises on the club. (Doubt it.)

Or maybe Terps (what color are they today?) aren't that good.

Are you from Terps Black parent?

So the jesters beat a c team, that had one practice in a month. Jesters are a very good A team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the jesters beat a c team, that had one practice in a month. Jesters are a very good A team.

Yes the Terps are a C team behind the turtles and the Terps black but they are a strong B team in actual play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know who won the 8th grade Terps vs Jesters yesterday??

Jesters beat Terps 9-6 (??)
than Terps BLACK beat Vipers 2016

So the Jesters A team beat the Express C team by only 3 goals is what you're saying.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the jesters beat a c team, that had one practice in a month. Jesters are a very good A team.

Yes the Terps are a C team behind the turtles and the Terps black but they are a strong B team in actual play.

I would say the Turtles are "AA" no? Terps Black are very good as well, an A team at least. The Terps that played the Jesters on Sunday are a good team as well, they have several Terps Black kids that play for them too. I would say they would have to be considered a strong B, maybe a lower A. They have a very good face off kid and a very good goalie which can keep them in a lot of games.

Jesters are a good team as well.

Dont understand why people feel the need to knock these kids and teams, theyre all very good players and good organizations. We should all feel good that our kids play against top quality competition all the time and that they can compete at this level. Its only going to help them when they get to the next level. Be proud of Long Island lacrosse!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the jesters beat a c team, that had one practice in a month. Jesters are a very good A team.

Yes the Terps are a C team behind the turtles and the Terps black but they are a strong B team in actual play.

I would say the Turtles are "AA" no? Terps Black are very good as well, an A team at least. The Terps that played the Jesters on Sunday are a good team as well, they have several Terps Black kids that play for them too. I would say they would have to be considered a strong B, maybe a lower A. They have a very good face off kid and a very good goalie which can keep them in a lot of games.

Jesters are a good team as well.

Dont understand why people feel the need to knock these kids and teams, theyre all very good players and good organizations. We should all feel good that our kids play against top quality competition all the time and that they can compete at this level. Its only going to help them when they get to the next level. Be proud of Long Island lacrosse!

Agree on every point you stated. And for the haters & wise asses that come on here, you need to look at the [lacrosse] the good people of Oklahoma are dealing with right now and thank goodness you aren't dealing with that real life sad situation and be THANKFUL and stop being so negative.

They paid and practiced all winter. They were charged exhorbitantly for the "privelege" to be on the terps.

I guess the parents ran out of money, and could not afford to pay MC any more. Sounds like MC "killed the goose that laid the golden egg".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the jesters beat a c team, that had one practice in a month. Jesters are a very good A team.

Yes the Terps are a C team behind the turtles and the Terps black but they are a strong B team in actual play.

I would say the Turtles are "AA" no? Terps Black are very good as well, an A team at least. The Terps that played the Jesters on Sunday are a good team as well, they have several Terps Black kids that play for them too. I would say they would have to be considered a strong B, maybe a lower A. They have a very good face off kid and a very good goalie which can keep them in a lot of games.

Jesters are a good team as well.

Dont understand why people feel the need to knock these kids and teams, theyre all very good players and good organizations. We should all feel good that our kids play against top quality competition all the time and that they can compete at this level. Its only going to help them when they get to the next level. Be proud of Long Island lacrosse!

Agree on every point you stated. And for the haters & wise asses that come on here, you need to look at the [lacrosse] the good people of Oklahoma are dealing with right now and thank goodness you aren't dealing with that real life sad situation and be THANKFUL and stop being so negative.

Amen. Not to mention the fact that the kids are all friends and probably have played with or against each other at some point. I know my son speaks very highly about the kids he plays against all the time. We need to take lessons from them.

thats great. I was thinking the same thing. Wasn't it about a month ago that there were a bunch of Jester parents killing the organization and the coaching on the 2017 team. Now all is good in Jester land. These are 8th grade kids. they all have their ups and downs. don't get too high or too low when they go through them. most of them don't care an hour after the game. they want to get something to eat cause they are starving and want to get home and play Xbox with their friends.

You sound like an idiot we all know the difference .

Terps are all being ripped off, all parents with young kids stay away from express.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the jesters beat a c team, that had one practice in a month. Jesters are a very good A team.

Yes the Terps are a C team behind the turtles and the Terps black but they are a strong B team in actual play.

I would say the Turtles are "AA" no? Terps Black are very good as well, an A team at least. The Terps that played the Jesters on Sunday are a good team as well, they have several Terps Black kids that play for them too. I would say they would have to be considered a strong B, maybe a lower A. They have a very good face off kid and a very good goalie which can keep them in a lot of games.

Jesters are a good team as well.

Dont understand why people feel the need to knock these kids and teams, theyre all very good players and good organizations. We should all feel good that our kids play against top quality competition all the time and that they can compete at this level. Its only going to help them when they get to the next level. Be proud of Long Island lacrosse!

Agree on every point you stated. And for the haters & wise asses that come on here, you need to look at the [lacrosse] the good people of Oklahoma are dealing with right now and thank goodness you aren't dealing with that real life sad situation and be THANKFUL and stop being so negative.

One word for you sir ... Sandy.

Terps black, terps ?, some terps black play on terps ?, but usually play on terps black.........wow...very confusing.... so how many terps players are there?????? Do you pay more if you play on both teams.....or is that some type of built in discount.....when a team plays the TERPS how do you know who you are playing?? Seems very chaotic.

a good team can have equal playing time and still win by a large margin, which GC does

Originally Posted by Anonymous

a good team can have equal playing time and still win by a large margin, which GC does

Equal playing time in GC? Not since 1963.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps black, terps ?, some terps black play on terps ?, but usually play on terps black.........wow...very confusing.... so how many terps players are there?????? Do you pay more if you play on both teams.....or is that some type of built in discount.....when a team plays the TERPS how do you know who you are playing?? Seems very chaotic.

heard its kinda chaotic for sure but a little more organized since both squads practice separately now.

terps black- stacked strong squad - roster size approx 21
terps- not as strong - roster size approx 22

Same 2 goalies play for both teams

Only 5 middies are on BOTH rosters. They flip back & fourth which I hear was explained by MC because when the "sweetheart of a guy" split the team because he added too many players due to greed, it seems that there weren't enough middies because he added the players from defensive & attack side to the Terps team (weaker team).

My son said the two teams have same exact uniforms. I guess thats so he can flip kids whenever he wants, you know when he gives up on a player.

Ive seen both teams play on the same weekend recently, huge difference between the terps & terps black from quality lacrosse standpoint.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps black, terps ?, some terps black play on terps ?, but usually play on terps black.........wow...very confusing.... so how many terps players are there?????? Do you pay more if you play on both teams.....or is that some type of built in discount.....when a team plays the TERPS how do you know who you are playing?? Seems very chaotic.

heard its kinda chaotic for sure but a little more organized since both squads practice separately now.

terps black- stacked strong squad - roster size approx 21
terps- not as strong - roster size approx 22

Same 2 goalies play for both teams

Only 5 middies are on BOTH rosters. They flip back & fourth which I hear was explained by MC because when the "sweetheart of a guy" split the team because he added too many players due to greed, it seems that there weren't enough middies because he added the players from defensive & attack side to the Terps team (weaker team).

My son said the two teams have same exact uniforms. I guess thats so he can flip kids whenever he wants, you know when he gives up on a player.

Ive seen both teams play on the same weekend recently, huge difference between the terps & terps black from quality lacrosse standpoint.

I know a long pole that has played for both on numerous occasions.

Seems strange that with 4 teams in the 2017 age (not including the turtles) that MC has to have multiple players play for both teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps black, terps ?, some terps black play on terps ?, but usually play on terps black.........wow...very confusing.... so how many terps players are there?????? Do you pay more if you play on both teams.....or is that some type of built in discount.....when a team plays the TERPS how do you know who you are playing?? Seems very chaotic.

That's part of the Express magic! Terps are the top Express team (let's keep the Turtles out of this). Then split into two teams. If the Terps team wins, it was the Terps Black, if it loses, it is the "regular" Terps.

the kids switching teams doesnt appear to me to be a workable situation during the summer tournament season. Guess we will find out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's part of the Express magic! Terps are the top Express team (let's keep the Turtles out of this). Then split into two teams. If the Terps team wins, it was the Terps Black, if it loses, it is the "regular" Terps.

Truth

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps black, terps ?, some terps black play on terps ?, but usually play on terps black.........wow...very confusing.... so how many terps players are there?????? Do you pay more if you play on both teams.....or is that some type of built in discount.....when a team plays the TERPS how do you know who you are playing?? Seems very chaotic.

That's part of the Express magic! Terps are the top Express team (let's keep the Turtles out of this). Then split into two teams. If the Terps team wins, it was the Terps Black, if it loses, it is the "regular" Terps.

You are totally incorrect. Terps BLACK was top team by design once he split the team!! It was so he could make more $$, and its no secret that a few of the parents that didn't make the ORIGINAL terps were complaining a lot that their kids only made Piarhana team, those players are on Terps (not BLACK) I believe.

Seems very interesting that the people on this thread are positioning themselves as if they, "here this info from this one and there son ect". The fact is that you are all either Terps black or Terp parents trying position yourselves to get your message out. It is very obvious!!! The Terp Black parents don't want any of the Terps playing or practicing with them because they don't think they are good enough. The Terps parent are trying to position themselves as if they are better then they really are. Very funny to watch this unfold. The Terp Black team is a very good team and the Terps team is just another B team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Terp Black team is a very good team and the Terps team is just another B team.

Exactly!! But when they mix in 8-10 superior players from the Black team they are an A team.

Terps black - regular terps??? i heard the black team is set in stone, with a couple of reg black coming along for the ride to stand on side just in case. There are no true black rostered players playing on both teams. The only duplicates are the 2 or 3 reg terps kids whose parents complained so they are listed on both with little or no chance of seeing the black field. whatever...

when you play the terps black team it will say terps black team. two totally separate teams which really have nothing to do with each other. Big difference in talent between the two and you will know the difference when you play them.

the switching thing as mc explained was that the blacks have 6 middies, that's it. There isn't any switching of any blacks players. He put a kid from reg terps team on both rosters to bring on occasion but is not in same category as black players. Maybe parents saw value on being listed on black roster with no intention of playing and have some sort of mc connection. Not sure about level of reg terp talent in general other than I heard not very strong but seems to me he could've at least found a player or 2 that can contribute to team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps black - regular terps??? i heard the black team is set in stone, with a couple of reg black coming along for the ride to stand on side just in case. There are no true black rostered players playing on both teams. The only duplicates are the 2 or 3 reg terps kids whose parents complained so they are listed on both with little or no chance of seeing the black field. whatever...

Hahahhahahahh - Roster? very funny!

Terps black middies very good, defense not to good.

Terp black should be in 9th grade carry that team, my 3rd grader could school there defense.

For the record i am a terp parent, I wish we would have our own roster,because when we win terps black parents take the credit, when they lose they blame us.

So what I am hearing is that the Terps are now separated from the Terp Black team. Isn't that were these parents were at in the Fall. On the B team? Then they each complained and threated to leave the Express and one by one they were picked off the other B team and put on the Terps Black. Then the Terps Black parents complained and then Express made the Terps team! Just another B team. So earlier someone wrote about add 8-10 Black kids you have an A team. If you mix 8-10 A+ kids on any C team you have an A team. Only 10 kids on the field at a time?

Maybe you can have your 3rd grader teach you the difference between Their and There.

There are only 10 players on the field at a time. All you need is 8-10 superior. Hello!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For the record i am a terp parent, I wish we would have our own roster,because when we win terps black parents take the credit, when they lose they blame us.

For the record your a liar. You are NOT a Terp parent, Two official rosters went out two weeks ago. The person who said "true Terp black players aren't on Terp roster" is correct.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what I am hearing is that the Terps are now separated from the Terp Black team. Isn't that were these parents were at in the Fall. On the B team? Then they each complained and threated to leave the Express and one by one they were picked off the other B team and put on the Terps Black. Then the Terps Black parents complained and then Express made the Terps team! Just another B team. So earlier someone wrote about add 8-10 Black kids you have an A team. If you mix 8-10 A+ kids on any C team you have an A team. Only 10 kids on the field at a time?

Your are a clueless [lacrosse]. You are so off base it's comical! Stay off the computer when your drunk.

What roster were you originally on in the fall? I guarantee it was not the Terps. You cried to MC and he put you on the Terps!!!! Then we got stuck with you for the winter� Now that�s over.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Two official rosters went out two weeks ago. The person who said "true Terp black players aren't on Terp roster" is correct.

So are you saying that the Terp roster doesn't have any goalies on it and only about 3-5 middies?

MC Blew up JC (Pirhannas) and PM (Orange) for this Terps Team???

Gueass what? Pirhannas and Orange both beat Jesters and Outlaws last year in OBLL.

The parents complained that they wanted MC to coach their kids (take their money), now they are losing to teams the Terps kids used to beat.
What a Joke!!

Express had tryouts and from that came the terps which represented the top 2017 express team. Had a ton of players on it, some really good, some average and some with connections. Practiced and played throughout the fall and winter and then the really good players that stood out were assigned to an elite super competitive team called Terps Black, while the original terps team remained on their team.

In the fall the terp team was the express "a" team.

Bottom Line is this, last year JC(Pirhannas) and PM (Orange) regularly beat teams like Jesters and Outlaws. Yet parents still begged MC to coach their kids (take their money).

Now after all that money and time with "special attention" and professional coaching, they are getting worse results and losing more than the past couple of years...

Think about the "line to get onto the Terps" and ask was it worth it?

There are the Terps Black, Terps, Phiranas, and Wolverines for the 2017 Express. (Turtles not included)

Out of these 4 teams they cannot make rosters where at least 8 kids play on both Terps teams?

Wow...OK, think I got it.....terps black, terps ?, pirranahs and wolverines....but no rosters so they are all interchangable ????? So who are you playing when you play one of these teams???? or does it matter......I guess it really doesn't matter

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are the Terps Black, Terps, Phiranas, and Wolverines for the 2017 Express. (Turtles not included)

Out of these 4 teams they cannot make rosters where at least 8 kids play on both Terps teams?

The only team that doesn't have a complete roster is the Terps. This is because this team was only formed to appease crying parents whose sons weren't good enough to be on the newly formed Terps Black which is the Express A team when not counting the Turtles.

So about 8-10 kids from the Terps Black also play for the Terps including 2 goalies, about 6 middies and atleast 1 long pole.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are the Terps Black, Terps, Phiranas, and Wolverines for the 2017 Express. (Turtles not included)

Out of these 4 teams they cannot make rosters where at least 8 kids play on both Terps teams?

The only team that doesn't have a complete roster is the Terps. This is because this team was only formed to appease crying parents whose sons weren't good enough to be on the newly formed Terps Black which is the Express A team when not counting the Turtles.

So about 8-10 kids from the Terps Black also play for the Terps including 2 goalies, about 6 middies and atleast 1 long pole.

So, what you are really saying, is when the Terps lose, it is really Terps Black losing. Got it. Thanks for clearing that up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So, what you are really saying, is when the Terps lose, it is really Terps Black losing. Got it. Thanks for clearing that up.

Yes that is essentially true but the Terp Black parents or the directors of the Express would never admit it!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So, what you are really saying, is when the Terps lose, it is really Terps Black losing. Got it. Thanks for clearing that up.

Yes that is essentially true but the Terp Black parents or the directors of the Express would never admit it!

INSANITY!!!!!!!

This is better than Dance Moms. I think I have a great idea for a new show.

Ah you beat me to it. Imagine a camera following Express parents around at tournaments and games, talking about each other behind their backs, dissing the coaches and players on the sly. What drama ! Then again, MC probably has this in development already. Sort of like a cross between Hard Knocks and the Kardashians.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is better than Dance Moms. I think I have a great idea for a new show.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So, what you are really saying, is when the Terps lose, it is really Terps Black losing. Got it. Thanks for clearing that up.

Yes that is essentially true but the Terp Black parents or the directors of the Express would never admit it!

INSANITY!!!!!!!

"IN-CHANEY-TY"

yup - it really doesn't matter to you, and shouldn't. There are definite rosters. Period. Why does this bother you so much.

uniforms are not the same if you include helmets. black team has black decals

there are no terps black kids playing on terps. if they say they are, then they were add on players for sidelines/extras who are terp players, not black.

i think the really funny part would be if the cameras followed the wanna be's parents on all the "other" teams!!

The orginal problem was that when the Terps were formed in the fall MC took a handful of weak players . As the fall progressed it became clear these kids would not get equal playing time. So essentially a Terps Black/ Terps structure was formed to be fair to all. The primary objective of the Terps is to allow for playing time for everyone on the team and to enter into easier tournaments. The primary objective of the Terps Black is to win against strong competition in the top tournaments. Given that it is the summer and kids wear out easily they needed additional players to form a complete Terps Black team and so they took a handful of the better Terps players to fill out the roster. So essentially the very best A quality players are only on the Black, The kids with potential to become A quality players are on Black and Terps, and the Kids who are solid B quality players are strictly on Terps. Yes there is anxiety etc by parents on both teams but I think over time they will all appreciate the benefit of the structure. Going into next year, I think they will have a better idea of an A, B, C team etc. The kids are receiving quality coaching and there is no question they are all better players than when they started. Now that school seasons are over both teams will get rolling again. Terps Black fully intact is one of the strongest teams in this age group in the country. Yes the Turtles have been together for a long time and play so well together it will be hard to beat them however this Black team has beaten almost everyone else.

As you read thought the thread it is very funny how the Terp and Terp Black parent have a diffrent story. Terp Black parents trying to distance them selfs from the Terps. The Terp parents tying to get closer to the Terp Black team. Thinking there kid belongs with the Black team. If your kid was good enough to be on the Black team he would be!!!! This is trully a side show. I would pay money to watch on TV. Maybe danceing with the Terps!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

there are no terps black kids playing on terps. if they say they are, then they were add on players for sidelines/extras who are terp players, not black.

This is a LIE!!!!

The simple fact is that the Express more than any other organization moves there players around after teams are made. My son played for them last year and he was constantly asked to play games for both his team and a weaker team because he was stronger at his position than the 2 boys on that team.

If the Terps Black players never played games for the Terps than nobody would say anything. It would be a normal A,B,C,D,E team set up for 2017. But the reality is that 8-10 Terps Black players also play for the Terps to help them win games they wouldn't normally even be competitive in.

Express 2017:
Turtles
Terps Black
Terps
Phiranas
Wolverines

That's a LOT of players and no need to use other player on the weaker teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The orginal problem was that when the Terps were formed in the fall MC took a handful of weak players . As the fall progressed it became clear these kids would not get equal playing time. So essentially a Terps Black/ Terps structure was formed to be fair to all. The primary objective of the Terps is to allow for playing time for everyone on the team and to enter into easier tournaments. The primary objective of the Terps Black is to win against strong competition in the top tournaments. Given that it is the summer and kids wear out easily they needed additional players to form a complete Terps Black team and so they took a handful of the better Terps players to fill out the roster. So essentially the very best A quality players are only on the Black, The kids with potential to become A quality players are on Black and Terps, and the Kids who are solid B quality players are strictly on Terps. Yes there is anxiety etc by parents on both teams but I think over time they will all appreciate the benefit of the structure. Going into next year, I think they will have a better idea of an A, B, C team etc. The kids are receiving quality coaching and there is no question they are all better players than when they started. Now that school seasons are over both teams will get rolling again. Terps Black fully intact is one of the strongest teams in this age group in the country. Yes the Turtles have been together for a long time and play so well together it will be hard to beat them however this Black team has beaten almost everyone else.

Except for the Gladiators.......

So enough of "As the Terps turn", who really cares anyway. So were getting ready for tourney season. What 2017 clubs are playing in the JDRF next weekend? I know the Jesters and True Blue are in, anyone else?

As stated earlier this is a built in discount for the players that "migrate" to both teams. All players are paying the same "tuition" yet some chosen few get to play twice as much and presumubly get twice as much coaching. Nobody should be happy with this situation......pick your team and "coach them up" !!!!!!

Terps Black beat the Gladiators the first time they played, the second time they played they did not have their full Terps Black team . Gladiators are tough though no doubt about it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps Black beat the Gladiators the first time they played, the second time they played they did not have their full Terps Black team . Gladiators are tough though no doubt about it.

LMAO, the ole "they didnt have their full team"....lets hear all the other excuses.......Gladiators are the best team in the age group right now outside the Turtles, plain and simple.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps Black beat the Gladiators the first time they played, the second time they played they did not have their full Terps Black team . Gladiators are tough though no doubt about it.

Anytime the Terps Black loses there seems to be an excuse. Pretty pathetic!

And there we have it....the excuse

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps Black beat the Gladiators the first time they played, the second time they played they did not have their full Terps Black team . Gladiators are tough though no doubt about it.

This is funny. Funny because this is what we knew a Terps Black parent would say.

I'm sure the missing players were the best of the best (the Uber Terps) and were off playing a game for the "other Terps".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps Black beat the Gladiators the first time they played, the second time they played they did not have their full Terps Black team . Gladiators are tough though no doubt about it.

OMG!! Does this EVER end? Terps, Terps Black, "we can beat any team (other than Turtles)", "oh yeah, we did loose to the Gladiators but, not everyone was there" "we only have 8-10 Terp Black players that play on the regular Terps". Does anyone see the craziness going on? This has to take up too much time in your lives, it certainly IS taking up too much of 2017 Thread!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is better than Dance Moms. I think I have a great idea for a new show.

You can do a reality show on ANY youth sport (or H.S. sports), in ANY State with ANY group of parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps Black beat the Gladiators the first time they played, the second time they played they did not have their full Terps Black team . Gladiators are tough though no doubt about it.

Anytime the Terps Black loses there seems to be an excuse. Pretty pathetic!

Im a Terp Black parent, sometimes we win sometimes we lose. I can assure you all that our boys go very hard all the time! Fun team to watch play.

Didn't the Gladiators get crushed by 91 Orange?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Didn't the Gladiators get crushed by 91 Orange?

Im gonna tend to doubt that very much......

does any of what happened between Sept and now really matter. Aren't the next 2 months what all this is all about. My son doesn't play on any of those teams but this horse is so beaten dead its crazy. The next 8 weeks will tell everyone which of these 2017 teams is the best. There will be no excuses once the summer tournaments start. anyone have a new topic as this one is getting real boring

Originally Posted by Anonymous

does any of what happened between Sept and now really matter. Aren't the next 2 months what all this is all about. My son doesn't play on any of those teams but this horse is so beaten dead its crazy. The next 8 weeks will tell everyone which of these 2017 teams is the best. There will be no excuses once the summer tournaments start. anyone have a new topic as this one is getting real boring

I tried asking what teams were playing in the JDRF but people are obsessed with talking about the Terps. Blah Blah Blah.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

does any of what happened between Sept and now really matter. Aren't the next 2 months what all this is all about. My son doesn't play on any of those teams but this horse is so beaten dead its crazy. The next 8 weeks will tell everyone which of these 2017 teams is the best. There will be no excuses once the summer tournaments start. anyone have a new topic as this one is getting real boring

I tried asking what teams were playing in the JDRF but people are obsessed with talking about the Terps. Blah Blah Blah.

Because JDRF at 2017 doesn't draw powerful teams, get with the program!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The simple fact is that the Express more than any other organization moves there players around after teams are made. My son played for them last year and he was constantly asked to play games for both his team and a weaker team because he was stronger at his position than the 2 boys on that team.

If the Terps Black players never played games for the Terps than nobody would say anything. It would be a normal A,B,C,D,E team set up for 2017. But the reality is that 8-10 Terps Black players also play for the Terps to help them win games they wouldn't normally even be competitive in.

Express 2017:
Turtles
Terps Black
Terps
Phiranas
Wolverines

That's a LOT of players and no need to use other player on the weaker teams.

Turtles? That's weird. I was just on the express site and look at the tournament tab click 2017, NO turtles. How can you be the "A" or "AA" team of the club when the club doesn't even have you LISTED?!? Answer: Turtles are not look at as an "express team", pretty clear to those who go to the website and read it.

I'm not knocking the turtles at all, I'm knocking the confused knuckleheads on here who think turtles are the top 2017 team for express.

They're run by the express they just have there own site

Who do you guys think are the top teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The simple fact is that the Express more than any other organization moves there players around after teams are made. My son played for them last year and he was constantly asked to play games for both his team and a weaker team because he was stronger at his position than the 2 boys on that team.

If the Terps Black players never played games for the Terps than nobody would say anything. It would be a normal A,B,C,D,E team set up for 2017. But the reality is that 8-10 Terps Black players also play for the Terps to help them win games they wouldn't normally even be competitive in.

Express 2017:
Turtles
Terps Black
Terps
Phiranas
Wolverines

That's a LOT of players and no need to use other player on the weaker teams.

Turtles? That's weird. I was just on the express site and look at the tournament tab click 2017, NO turtles. How can you be the "A" or "AA" team of the club when the club doesn't even have you LISTED?!? Answer: Turtles are not look at as an "express team", pretty clear to those who go to the website and read it.

I'm not knocking the turtles at all, I'm knocking the confused knuckleheads on here who think turtles are the top 2017 team for express.

Look under the Hotels Tab and you will see the Turtles.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The simple fact is that the Express more than any other organization moves there players around after teams are made. My son played for them last year and he was constantly asked to play games for both his team and a weaker team because he was stronger at his position than the 2 boys on that team.

If the Terps Black players never played games for the Terps than nobody would say anything. It would be a normal A,B,C,D,E team set up for 2017. But the reality is that 8-10 Terps Black players also play for the Terps to help them win games they wouldn't normally even be competitive in.

Express 2017:
Turtles
Terps Black
Terps
Phiranas
Wolverines

That's a LOT of players and no need to use other player on the weaker teams.

Turtles? That's weird. I was just on the express site and look at the tournament tab click 2017, NO turtles. How can you be the "A" or "AA" team of the club when the club doesn't even have you LISTED?!? Answer: Turtles are not look at as an "express team", pretty clear to those who go to the website and read it.

I'm not knocking the turtles at all, I'm knocking the confused knuckleheads on here who think turtles are the top 2017 team for express.

You must be a Terps parent (oh sorry, maybe Terps Black) Always a bridesmaid, never a bride?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Didn't the Gladiators get crushed by 91 Orange?

No. Haven't played this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Turtles? That's weird. I was just on the express site and look at the tournament tab click 2017, NO turtles. How can you be the "A" or "AA" team of the club when the club doesn't even have you LISTED?!? Answer: Turtles are not look at as an "express team", pretty clear to those who go to the website and read it.

I'm not knocking the turtles at all, I'm knocking the confused knuckleheads on here who think turtles are the top 2017 team for express.

Look at the hotel assignments on the express site and you will see the turtles are listed. Also look at the tournaments they play in. Always listed as Long Island Express Turtles!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The simple fact is that the Express more than any other organization moves there players around after teams are made. My son played for them last year and he was constantly asked to play games for both his team and a weaker team because he was stronger at his position than the 2 boys on that team.

If the Terps Black players never played games for the Terps than nobody would say anything. It would be a normal A,B,C,D,E team set up for 2017. But the reality is that 8-10 Terps Black players also play for the Terps to help them win games they wouldn't normally even be competitive in.

Express 2017:
Turtles
Terps Black
Terps
Phiranas
Wolverines

That's a LOT of players and no need to use other player on the weaker teams.

Turtles? That's weird. I was just on the express site and look at the tournament tab click 2017, NO turtles. How can you be the "A" or "AA" team of the club when the club doesn't even have you LISTED?!? Answer: Turtles are not look at as an "express team", pretty clear to those who go to the website and read it.

I'm not knocking the turtles at all, I'm knocking the confused knuckleheads on here who think turtles are the top 2017 team for express.

Look under the Hotels Tab and you will see the Turtles.....

Hotel tab? Oh yeah, I forgot that the hotels were their teams stay is more important than tournaments for these big lacrosse clubs. Cough cough.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The simple fact is that the Express more than any other organization moves there players around after teams are made. My son played for them last year and he was constantly asked to play games for both his team and a weaker team because he was stronger at his position than the 2 boys on that team.

If the Terps Black players never played games for the Terps than nobody would say anything. It would be a normal A,B,C,D,E team set up for 2017. But the reality is that 8-10 Terps Black players also play for the Terps to help them win games they wouldn't normally even be competitive in.

Express 2017:
Turtles
Terps Black
Terps
Phiranas
Wolverines

That's a LOT of players and no need to use other player on the weaker teams.

Turtles? That's weird. I was just on the express site and look at the tournament tab click 2017, NO turtles. How can you be the "A" or "AA" team of the club when the club doesn't even have you LISTED?!? Answer: Turtles are not look at as an "express team", pretty clear to those who go to the website and read it.

I'm not knocking the turtles at all, I'm knocking the confused knuckleheads on here who think turtles are the top 2017 team for express.

You must be a Terps parent (oh sorry, maybe Terps Black) Always a bridesmaid, never a bride?

No Im sorry, seems like a turtle nerve was struck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The simple fact is that the Express more than any other organization moves there players around after teams are made. My son played for them last year and he was constantly asked to play games for both his team and a weaker team because he was stronger at his position than the 2 boys on that team.

If the Terps Black players never played games for the Terps than nobody would say anything. It would be a normal A,B,C,D,E team set up for 2017. But the reality is that 8-10 Terps Black players also play for the Terps to help them win games they wouldn't normally even be competitive in.

Express 2017:
Turtles
Terps Black
Terps
Phiranas
Wolverines

That's a LOT of players and no need to use other player on the weaker teams.

Turtles? That's weird. I was just on the express site and look at the tournament tab click 2017, NO turtles. How can you be the "A" or "AA" team of the club when the club doesn't even have you LISTED?!? Answer: Turtles are not look at as an "express team", pretty clear to those who go to the website and read it.

I'm not knocking the turtles at all, I'm knocking the confused knuckleheads on here who think turtles are the top 2017 team for express.

You must be a Terps parent (oh sorry, maybe Terps Black) Always a bridesmaid, never a bride?

No Im sorry, seems like a turtle nerve was struck.

No Im sorry, no shell on my son...just noticing the jelousy of the Express parents towards their own

The ring leader Terp Black parent, would win survivor my a land slide. He is a gut throat type of guy, your kid has one bad game and he is in a huddle to get him off the team, great atmosphere to be be around, d

If you go to the Turtles site it clearly says right on the home page that they are a proud member of the long island express!
If they weren't the A team none of the other express 2017 parents would care.

can we pick on the Jesters again?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Didn't the Gladiators get crushed by 91 Orange?

Is this true? Gladiators played 91 orange?

As soon as the Terps beat the Jesters, you can go back to that line...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As soon as the Terps beat the Jesters, you can go back to that line...

that's not true

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Didn't the Gladiators get crushed by 91 Orange?

Is this true? Gladiators played 91 orange?

They have not played since last summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As soon as the Terps beat the Jesters, you can go back to that line...

that's not true

the jesters beat both terps teams at one point in the year

We Express 2017 parents don't consider the Turtles a part of Express because MC has no say in anything they do. He controls everything for the rest of the 2017 teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We Express 2017 parents don't consider the Turtles a part of Express because MC has no say in anything they do. He controls everything for the rest of the 2017 teams.

Can you imagine if he did? you could all then complain and buy your kids onto the team.

I don't think any terp black player would want to play down on terp team this tournament season. Not even close competitively.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't think any terp black player would want to play down on terp team this tournament season. Not even close competitively.

they play on two different levels

anyone know if there are going to be more than One 2019 TERP teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We Express 2017 parents don't consider the Turtles a part of Express because MC has no say in anything they do. He controls everything for the rest of the 2017 teams.

correct.

I hope you are not really a Terp Black parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anyone know if there are going to be more than One 2019 TERP teams?

This is the only grade that I am aware of with this issue

MC dosen't control anything on the Terp Balck Team. 2 of the parents do. That is while we seperated the Terps into two teams. That is a fact!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anyone know if there are going to be more than One 2019 TERP teams?

This is the only grade that I am aware of with this issue

You have to understand, 2017 is the grade before many of these kids will go to St A's or Cham. This is why there are 4 team plus the turtles for Express. It's also why express will then start to dominate from this age forward. Yes some teams will compete, but overall you will see the top express team start to distance itself from all others. Keep in mind many players that currently play for other clubs will also migrate to Express, especially if they are playing for the catholic teams. Just the way it is. Look at 2016, 2015, 2014. Top Express team in these upper grades is and always will be a national power. Really, 2017 no different when you add in turtles. Same with 2018. No, not an express parent, just been around this for many years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MC dosen't control anything on the Terp Balck Team. 2 of the parents do. That is while we seperated the Terps into two teams. That is a fact!!!!

Not true! If that was the case there would be set roster which there isn't. The 2 teams share players! FACT!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MC dosen't control anything on the Terp Balck Team. 2 of the parents do. That is while we seperated the Terps into two teams. That is a fact!!!!

the terps are not being coached by parents that is anything but true try to know your team alittle more next time

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anyone know if there are going to be more than One 2019 TERP teams?

This is the only grade that I am aware of with this issue

You have to understand, 2017 is the grade before many of these kids will go to St A's or Cham. This is why there are 4 team plus the turtles for Express. It's also why express will then start to dominate from this age forward. Yes some teams will compete, but overall you will see the top express team start to distance itself from all others. Keep in mind many players that currently play for other clubs will also migrate to Express, especially if they are playing for the catholic teams. Just the way it is. Look at 2016, 2015, 2014. Top Express team in these upper grades is and always will be a national power. Really, 2017 no different when you add in turtles. Same with 2018. No, not an express parent, just been around this for many years.

Apparenly you have been around for "many years". Things are changing! Other clubs have grown & people have other choices besides Express. Not every great lacrosse player is going private these days. There's a tremendous amount of talented kids at the 2017 level & the large majority are staying public. No need to feed into the Express BS. To answer the question of "Is there going to be more than one 2019 Terp team?" I would say from past history...absolutely~! But, it doesnt mean they will "Dominate". As long as parents are willing to pay the $$ & ignore all of the ridiculous they know to be going on already, they will keep adding kids and splitting teams. It happens every year

Breaking news, Terps Black just had an emergency board meeting they voted 24 to 1 MC is out. They are flying in Bill Tierney tomorrow on the Terp Black private jet. The one vote is now on the Terps.

I doubt 2019 terps will be considered an A team. Many of the players who could have made it an A team decided they didnt like what was being offered and can wait till next year. Many may play against the terps and see what comes of it and see if it will be worth it next year.

I have a feeling for the 2019 there may be a few more options come august, but this is a 2017 post so good luck on your last summer

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anyone know if there are going to be more than One 2019 TERP teams?

This is the only grade that I am aware of with this issue

You have to understand, 2017 is the grade before many of these kids will go to St A's or Cham. This is why there are 4 team plus the turtles for Express. It's also why express will then start to dominate from this age forward. Yes some teams will compete, but overall you will see the top express team start to distance itself from all others. Keep in mind many players that currently play for other clubs will also migrate to Express, especially if they are playing for the catholic teams. Just the way it is. Look at 2016, 2015, 2014. Top Express team in these upper grades is and always will be a national power. Really, 2017 no different when you add in turtles. Same with 2018. No, not an express parent, just been around this for many years.

Apparenly you have been around for "many years". Things are changing! Other clubs have grown & people have other choices besides Express. Not every great lacrosse player is going private these days. There's a tremendous amount of talented kids at the 2017 level & the large majority are staying public. No need to feed into the Express BS. To answer the question of "Is there going to be more than one 2019 Terp team?" I would say from past history...absolutely~! But, it doesnt mean they will "Dominate". As long as parents are willing to pay the $$ & ignore all of the ridiculous they know to be going on already, they will keep adding kids and splitting teams. It happens every year

I would say the vast majority of the Express parents with kids on the various Terps teams are pleased with the work the coaches are doing with their sons. Also the kids themselves are having a good time and work together well as a team . Most importantly every kid is improving their skills. Looking forward to another fun summer.

There are 2 rosters

I dare you to find one terps black parent not pleased with the coaching or mission statement of this team. The only disgruntled appear to be those on other teams, which may or may not include other terp teams. The black team is a cohesive unit coached by top tier coaches whom are dedicated to learning and being the best players they can be. Good luck to all this summer.

who cares about 2019 team. go to your own forum.

I really don't think anyone can argue that flyers and friers pump out the most consistent amount of top quality players that go to top quality teams. I'm not talking about 1 or 2 players going here or there. There have been multiple players consistently from both teams going to top tier schools (acc,ivy etc). It is what it is. They provide each other with competition, along with other top lax schools they play like Delbarton and Yorktown.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I really don't think anyone can argue that flyers and friers pump out the most consistent amount of top quality players that go to top quality teams. I'm not talking about 1 or 2 players going here or there. There have been multiple players consistently from both teams going to top tier schools (acc,ivy etc). It is what it is. They provide each other with competition, along with other top lax schools they play like Delbarton and Yorktown.

No arguing that they do. The post stated that Express will "dominate" because these kids will go to SA & Cham & therefore migrate to Express. It is not the case anymore. There are many options for great lacrosse players. 2017 club teams on LI are VERY strong & the island also has MANY stong HS teams. These other clubs have brought in new avenues to ACC, Ivy, etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I doubt 2019 terps will be considered an A team. Many of the players who could have made it an A team decided they didnt like what was being offered and can wait till next year. Many may play against the terps and see what comes of it and see if it will be worth it next year.

I have a feeling for the 2019 there may be a few more options come august, but this is a 2017 post so good luck on your last summer

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anyone know if there are going to be more than One 2019 TERP teams?

This is the only grade that I am aware of with this issue

You have to understand, 2017 is the grade before many of these kids will go to St A's or Cham. This is why there are 4 team plus the turtles for Express. It's also why express will then start to dominate from this age forward. Yes some teams will compete, but overall you will see the top express team start to distance itself from all others. Keep in mind many players that currently play for other clubs will also migrate to Express, especially if they are playing for the catholic teams. Just the way it is. Look at 2016, 2015, 2014. Top Express team in these upper grades is and always will be a national power. Really, 2017 no different when you add in turtles. Same with 2018. No, not an express parent, just been around this for many years.

Apparenly you have been around for "many years". Things are changing! Other clubs have grown & people have other choices besides Express. Not every great lacrosse player is going private these days. There's a tremendous amount of talented kids at the 2017 level & the large majority are staying public. No need to feed into the Express BS. To answer the question of "Is there going to be more than one 2019 Terp team?" I would say from past history...absolutely~! But, it doesnt mean they will "Dominate". As long as parents are willing to pay the $$ & ignore all of the ridiculous they know to be going on already, they will keep adding kids and splitting teams. It happens every year

Look, clearly you have a bone to pick with Express. For the record, my kids don't play for the club. I'm just explaining the landscape to you. There have always been great lax players that don't go private. That will never change. What I'm also telling you is the above will not change anytime soon, if ever. Sit back, relax and see for yourself. It will happen, it always does. There are some great teams out there, only one can rise to the top moving forward. When you have hundreds of kids that want to be on the top express team, thats a lot to choose from. Also look at the numbers, 20 plus kids on both St A and Cham committed to D1 schools. Most playing for Express. You'll see. They have a tremendous talent pool to pull from, no other club will be able match that. Also, keep in mind many Public HS coaches are starting summer teams. They are making the kids play for their teams. So moving forward, many of the top public school kids will be out of the talent pool for the other clubs to draw from. In addition, there are now so many clubs that the concentration of talent on any one team is getting watered down. Don't get mad, just understand the facts.

2019 has some great talent, two awesome goalies... however they got beat bad by fl$...Just wonder why Express didn't have another try-out this spring to recruit some MORE talent.....Also, looks like no "C" team.not enough kids

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I doubt 2019 terps will be considered an A team. Many of the players who could have made it an A team decided they didnt like what was being offered and can wait till next year. Many may play against the terps and see what comes of it and see if it will be worth it next year.

I have a feeling for the 2019 there may be a few more options come august, but this is a 2017 post so good luck on your last summer

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anyone know if there are going to be more than One 2019 TERP teams?

This is the only grade that I am aware of with this issue

You have to understand, 2017 is the grade before many of these kids will go to St A's or Cham. This is why there are 4 team plus the turtles for Express. It's also why express will then start to dominate from this age forward. Yes some teams will compete, but overall you will see the top express team start to distance itself from all others. Keep in mind many players that currently play for other clubs will also migrate to Express, especially if they are playing for the catholic teams. Just the way it is. Look at 2016, 2015, 2014. Top Express team in these upper grades is and always will be a national power. Really, 2017 no different when you add in turtles. Same with 2018. No, not an express parent, just been around this for many years.

Apparenly you have been around for "many years". Things are changing! Other clubs have grown & people have other choices besides Express. Not every great lacrosse player is going private these days. There's a tremendous amount of talented kids at the 2017 level & the large majority are staying public. No need to feed into the Express BS. To answer the question of "Is there going to be more than one 2019 Terp team?" I would say from past history...absolutely~! But, it doesnt mean they will "Dominate". As long as parents are willing to pay the $$ & ignore all of the ridiculous they know to be going on already, they will keep adding kids and splitting teams. It happens every year

Look, clearly you have a bone to pick with Express. For the record, my kids don't play for the club. I'm just explaining the landscape to you. There have always been great lax players that don't go private. That will never change. What I'm also telling you is the above will not change anytime soon, if ever. Sit back, relax and see for yourself. It will happen, it always does. There are some great teams out there, only one can rise to the top moving forward. When you have hundreds of kids that want to be on the top express team, thats a lot to choose from. Also look at the numbers, 20 plus kids on both St A and Cham committed to D1 schools. Most playing for Express. You'll see. They have a tremendous talent pool to pull from, no other club will be able match that. Also, keep in mind many Public HS coaches are starting summer teams. They are making the kids play for their teams. So moving forward, many of the top public school kids will be out of the talent pool for the other clubs to draw from. In addition, there are now so many clubs that the concentration of talent on any one team is getting watered down. Don't get mad, just understand the facts.

No need to "explain the landscape" to me, thank you. You are missing the point... there has been a change in the landscape of youth lacrosse on LI. Of course, SA & Cham are very strong & The Express has been the powerhouse over the past 10 years. The Turtles are a force to be reckon with but, there are some new clubs doing very well. People are starting to understand that you dont have to deal with the politics that Express offers. Im not angry, I dont have a "bone to pick" with Express, I do understand the facts & Im looking forward to watching these boys over the next few years. The point is lacrosse families have choices now.

Terps 2017, great practice today all 50 kids looked good. Want a waste of money.

Terps practice first today, after practice one of the Terp Black parents said my kid looked good . Wow what a nice guy.

You should be happy someone complimented your kid. Take it positively and show some confidence. It is a competitive world and your kid is learning from the experience.

There are actually no politics on the Express. They want to put the best possible kids on the field and play at the highest level. If your son is playing well everything will be fine and there will be nothing to worry about. Politics In this case is just parents who don't see things realistically in terms of their own kids ability. MC says if your son is getting every ground ball,making every shot , passing perfectly and never getting beat on defense he has nothing to worry about. Anything less than that needs means there is room for improvement. It is a high standard that is all, not politics. So yes there are choices for your kids to go to on the club landscape if you don't like this approach. The majority of the parents with kids on the the team prefer it.

What world are you living in! Have you been reading this thread? The Terps are a mess. Who has Black uniforms that is playing on what team. Who has rosters. Who doesn�t have a roster. What Black players are playing with the Terps. No black players playing with the Terps. Blah blah

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are actually no politics on the Express. They want to put the best possible kids on the field and play at the highest level. If your son is playing well everything will be fine and there will be nothing to worry about. Politics In this case is just parents who don't see things realistically in terms of their own kids ability. MC says if your son is getting every ground ball,making every shot , passing perfectly and never getting beat on defense he has nothing to worry about. Anything less than that needs means there is room for improvement. It is a high standard that is all, not politics. So yes there are choices for your kids to go to on the club landscape if you don't like this approach. The majority of the parents with kids on the the team prefer it.

LOL....Thank you I needed a laugh this morning and your post was hysterical!

"Holy delusional, batman"....

You reading the thread dude? This whole Terp thing is all screwed up. So much in fighting it�s not funny. The more you try and defend it the more ridiculous you sound.

Your right it�s not Express it�s the parents who are trying to control it. To protect their kids tenuous positions.

This is a transparent response.No one is going to say this. Natural response would be for the Black parents to just ask the parents who they complimented and figure this out. You could just sign your name. Someone feels like the walls are closing in. lol

19 teams from the 2017 age group will be playing this Sunday in the JDRF. Should be a fun weekend with some good lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

19 teams from the 2017 age group will be playing this Sunday in the JDRF. Should be a fun weekend with some good lacrosse.

Snipers/Jesters/fl$/Outlaws/True Blue are each playing at least three of the other teams in this group. There are two Express teams listed but based on the teams Express is playing it seems neither is the Terps or one of the Terps teams. Good luck to all the teams!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

19 teams from the 2017 age group will be playing this Sunday in the JDRF. Should be a fun weekend with some good lacrosse.

Snipers/Jesters/fl$/Outlaws/True Blue are each playing at least three of the other teams in this group. There are two Express teams listed but based on the teams Express is playing it seems neither is the Terps or one of the Terps teams. Good luck to all the teams!

Terps, the bad team are in Maryland this weekend. The chosen BLack team are off.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps, the bad team are in Maryland this weekend. The chosen BLack team are off.

I wonder how many players from the terps black are making the trip this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps, the bad team are in Maryland this weekend. The chosen BLack team are off.

I wonder how many players from the terps black are making the trip this weekend.

Quite a few is what I've been told and my son plays on the Terps.

Pete will not be happy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps, the bad team are in Maryland this weekend. The chosen BLack team are off.

I wonder how many players from the terps black are making the trip this weekend.

Quite a few is what I've been told and my son plays on the Terps.

If my son played for the Terps and was getting shorted on playing time every time a Terp Black player came to run with us, I would find another team. Also, if so many Terp Black players are going to this tournament, why not just register as Terps Black. This whole terp/terp black thing is like a shell game! ( no pun intended Turtle parents)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If my son played for the Terps and was getting shorted on playing time every time a Terp Black player came to run with us, I would find another team. Also, if so many Terp Black players are going to this tournament, why not just register as Terps Black. This whole terp/terp black thing is like a shell game! ( no pun intended Turtle parents)

A lot of these parents don't care because they think by there son being part of an elite organization like the express they are better players than they actually are. They pay the thousands for there kids to be on the C, D, and E teams.

Who might the Snipers be? Never heard of them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pete will not be happy.

Neither will Jim, Tom and Frank.

what ever happen to those two coaches that coached the Orange 2017 Express team?

Yep, that's it. You nailed it. Well done.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps, the bad team are in Maryland this weekend. The chosen BLack team are off.

I wonder how many players from the terps black are making the trip this weekend.

I know at least one from our town team who will not be playing with us at JDRF the maryland trip is probably the explaination

Is this Garden City Summer Travel Team any good I hear there ok but I want to know what other people think. I've heard they beat a few good travel teams

Who cares what Pete thinks? He is the reason that the top two express teams got broken up last August. He is fully in control of the Terp Black team and has caused all kind or problems with the Terp and Terp Black teams. I am glad we left the Express, from what we are all seeing the Terps have all kinds of issues and he the main reason.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is this Garden City Summer Travel Team any good I hear there ok but I want to know what other people think. I've heard they beat a few good travel teams

Yes GC dad, we know they are a good town team. Btw, it's "they're"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who might the Snipers be? Never heard of them.

Sniper are from Florida.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is this Garden City Summer Travel Team any good I hear there ok but I want to know what other people think. I've heard they beat a few good travel teams

So a travel team beat a few good travel teams? What's your point? Most of those GC kids also play on travel teams other than the GC travel team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who might the Snipers be? Never heard of them.

Sniper are from Florida.

So its not the Top Side Snipers from Westchester?

This guy cause�s issues were ever he goes. We were on another travel team with him a few years back. He tried the same crap but no one listen to him?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares what Pete thinks? He is the reason that the top two express teams got broken up last August. He is fully in control of the Terp Black team and has caused all kind or problems with the Terp and Terp Black teams. I am glad we left the Express, from what we are all seeing the Terps have all kinds of issues and he the main reason.

Is Pete the former wretler guy?

The Terps are good kids that have been treated unfairly. Sometimes the true needs to be told. Terp BLack parent should worry about their own kids, and stop talking about how the talent is so different between the two teams is. I know my kids talent level is and I am ok with it. MC you are a good coach that why we paid the money we don't have to have our son train with you . I just feel he would get more teaching and reps if there was only 22 kids at practice, I think that is a fair statement. Just being honest ff
Ffffh

This is all true stuff. This guy Pete is the problem for the Terps and Terp Black team. He thinks he is better then everyone???????

Anyone see the move the Wrestler. That is Pete! Mickey is a little smarter

I agree. Pete is the reason the two Terp teams are not going to the U14 championship Torunment in Florida. He causes a lot of issues with the two teams. Always trying to separate them

Pete is the reason that the two Terp team got separated in the 1st place. He has superiority complex

U-14...Baseball or soccer?

The black players that are the core of the black team are not playing this weekend. Those are the ones that will play 99% of the games for the black team. The terps playing this weekend are actually getting to play. This will most likely not happen during a black game. Who is going to argue with that? Who would want their kid just watching a game from the sidelines?

You have no idea what you're talking about. When the black team plays to win, all these other kids added to the roster to appease parents most likely will not play. and that is why they are playing this weekend in MD. How long will it take for those parents to complain? and that is why they are playing this weekend in MD. Every single black kid (which isn't on both teams) stand out among their peers and truly are something special. They have learned and continue to learn how to mesh as a team. I recently saw a sunday practice which had maybe 9 black players. Three coaches stood there and worked with them and let me tell you I was shocked at the level of everything!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You have no idea what you're talking about. When the black team plays to win, all these other kids added to the roster to appease parents most likely will not play. and that is why they are playing this weekend in MD. How long will it take for those parents to complain? and that is why they are playing this weekend in MD. Every single black kid (which isn't on both teams) stand out among their peers and truly are something special. They have learned and continue to learn how to mesh as a team. I recently saw a sunday practice which had maybe 9 black players. Three coaches stood there and worked with them and let me tell you I was shocked at the level of everything!

Finally someone admits the need to have people look at their son as "something special". It is refreshing to see someone post about how insecure they are.

You're in denial. There are kids with that little extra, a little faster, bigger, stronger, better players. I would say they have "something special". You know it when you see it. It is what it is, not because I'm needing my kid to be viewed as something special!

I wonder how many Terps Black players will be at the JDRF tournament tomorrow, just "helping" out the other 2017 Express teams?

Lol....so you're saying that the starters only are Terps black official players and the rest of team needs to play for the terps to get any playing time and help them win.
Obviously your a delusional parent!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I wonder how many Terps Black players will be at the JDRF tournament tomorrow, just "helping" out the other 2017 Express teams?

the fact that you guys rip on us is hilarious what team do you play for? Huh? It's like you know about our team? I play for terps black and 4 players were asked to play for both teams. Stop acting like you know everything but in reality you don't only your kids do

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The black players that are the core of the black team are not playing this weekend. Those are the ones that will play 99% of the games for the black team. The terps playing this weekend are actually getting to play. This will most likely not happen during a black game. Who is going to argue with that? Who would want their kid just watching a game from the sidelines?

Better question...Why would you want your kid on a team where this happens? It amazes me that adults are actually condoning what Express is doing (& on here trying to justify it) We are talking about 14 year old boys here. The tryout for this team was in September of 2012 & we are now in June of 2013 & there are boys that do not have security on their team yet. Why put their kid through that? There are so many good teams in this age division on the island, why deal with this constantly?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The black players that are the core of the black team are not playing this weekend. Those are the ones that will play 99% of the games for the black team. The terps playing this weekend are actually getting to play. This will most likely not happen during a black game. Who is going to argue with that? Who would want their kid just watching a game from the sidelines?

Better question...Why would you want your kid on a team where this happens? It amazes me that adults are actually condoning what Express is doing (& on here trying to justify it) We are talking about 14 year old boys here. The tryout for this team was in September of 2012 & we are now in June of 2013 & there are boys that do not have security on their team yet. Why put their kid through that? There are so many good teams in this age division on the island, why deal with this constantly?

Thanks for the voice of reason. This whole thing is insanity and happens all the way through to the end with the Express unless you are on the best team in the grade. Trust me, been there done that - it was difficult to break away because my son felt like the Express could put him in a good position for recruiting and he also had a lot of friends there but we finally cut the cord and it felt great to finally break away from this nonsense. He's now starting on the best team he's ever played on and feels very welcome with his new club and is having more fun than he ever has. Break the spell and walk away, you'll sleep much better and your kid will still have a great experience with his new club.

From experience - be careful here. The Express has a very strong potential to suck the life out of you (not to mention the money out of your savings account) as well as the enthousiasm that your kid has for lacrosse. My kid has also moved on and his love for the game has been reinvigorated. He needed a change of scenery and it worked out beautifully - lax is fun again! Crazy, right? BTW - if you are stuck with Express because your son is going to St. A's - my condolences. We were are a public school family and do not have those handcuffs. We can breath deeply now and we no longer have to stress about wondering if our son's role on the team is "safe". Good luck to all.

True blue killed the jesters yesterday but the jesters came back today and beat fl$

Congrats to Terps and Gladiators who met in the finals yesterday in the LAx Splash tournament in Maryland. A good game won by the Gladiators 8 to 6.

Was this Terps Black or other Terps?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to Terps and Gladiators who met in the finals yesterday in the LAx Splash tournament in Maryland. A good game won by the Gladiators 8 to 6.

Was a great game that could have gone either way. Both teams very talented and all the boys belonged on the field!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was this Terps Black or other Terps?

Was the 2017 Terp Team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was this Terps Black or other Terps?

It was the Regular Terps with a bunch of Terps Black players also playing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was this Terps Black or other Terps?

It was the Regular Terps with a bunch of Terps Black players also playing.

so traveled 200 miles and 3 hours to play local middle schools teams and than play each other ....??? crazy.... i guess no local games ...? oh i guess jdrf is not good enough for you guys ......

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to Terps and Gladiators who met in the finals yesterday in the LAx Splash tournament in Maryland. A good game won by the Gladiators 8 to 6.

Was a great game that could have gone either way. Both teams very talented and all the boys belonged on the field!

Happy to see LI well represented in MD.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was this Terps Black or other Terps?

It was the Regular Terps with a bunch of Terps Black players also playing.

The only "Black" players playing are theone that play on both teams, please make sure you have your facts correct.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True blue killed the jesters yesterday but the jesters came back today and beat fl$

Jesters 8th grade Black team did indeed take a beating from True Blue.

They beat the Snipers, they beat fl$ and tied the Outlaws. I would say overall they had a very good weekend.

True Blue is very good and they smacked everyone around. I would say True Blue is probably one of the top teams in the age group right now, theyll be tough to beat. Big, fast, and strong, and very well coached. I watched them totally dismantle my sons team pretty easily.

Right now I would have to say that True Blue, Gladiators, and Terps Black will be the teams to beat this summer.

Jesters Black will be competitive with most teams at the age group as well, but they would have to play perfect lacrosse to compete with the aforementioned top teams at the age group.

Long Island lacrosse at the 2017 age group will be a force to be reckoned with.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only "Black" players playing are theone that play on both teams, please make sure you have your facts correct.

I have my facts straight there were Terps Black players playing on the Terps! You admitted it too! 6-8 Terp Black players make the Terps an A team rather than the low level B team they are on there own.

Different story in the summer. Lax Splash is really a forum for Maryland Rec programs...Tenacious Turtles carried the torch last year in Maryland, hope to see the clubs down here this summer

I watched the Jesters vs Snipers and it was a good game. Jesters are going to be fine. It's all about the timing and TB was in the right place at the right time. A few good kids to start a few years ago, and it has blossomed. Young Org with a good reputation. Go Long Island LAX!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only "Black" players playing are theone that play on both teams, please make sure you have your facts correct.

I have my facts straight there were Terps Black players playing on the Terps! You admitted it too! 6-8 Terp Black players make the Terps an A team rather than the low level B team they are on there own.

Sorry you are incorrect, learn to read correctly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True blue killed the jesters yesterday but the jesters came back today and beat fl$

Jesters 8th grade Black team did indeed take a beating from True Blue.

They beat the Snipers, they beat fl$ and tied the Outlaws. I would say overall they had a very good weekend.

True Blue is very good and they smacked everyone around. I would say True Blue is probably one of the top teams in the age group right now, theyll be tough to beat. Big, fast, and strong, and very well coached. I watched them totally dismantle my sons team pretty easily.

Right now I would have to say that True Blue, Gladiators, and Terps Black will be the teams to beat this summer.

Jesters Black will be competitive with most teams at the age group as well, but they would have to play perfect lacrosse to compete with the aforementioned top teams at the age group.

Long Island lacrosse at the 2017 age group will be a force to be reckoned with.

The Jesters played horrible in the outlaw game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True blue killed the jesters yesterday but the jesters came back today and beat fl$

Jesters 8th grade Black team did indeed take a beating from True Blue.

They beat the Snipers, they beat fl$ and tied the Outlaws. I would say overall they had a very good weekend.

True Blue is very good and they smacked everyone around. I would say True Blue is probably one of the top teams in the age group right now, theyll be tough to beat. Big, fast, and strong, and very well coached. I watched them totally dismantle my sons team pretty easily.

Right now I would have to say that True Blue, Gladiators, and Terps Black will be the teams to beat this summer.

Jesters Black will be competitive with most teams at the age group as well, but they would have to play perfect lacrosse to compete with the aforementioned top teams at the age group.

Long Island lacrosse at the 2017 age group will be a force to be reckoned with.

The Jesters played horrible in the outlaw game

It looked like most of the Jester's starters spent most of the second half on the sidelines.

And the terps listed on both rosters aren't the good ones.

Why is this necessary? Get a life. How would you like your boy to read something like this about himself? - A non-terp parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True blue killed the jesters yesterday but the jesters came back today and beat fl$

Jesters 8th grade Black team did indeed take a beating from True Blue.

They beat the Snipers, they beat fl$ and tied the Outlaws. I would say overall they had a very good weekend.

True Blue is very good and they smacked everyone around. I would say True Blue is probably one of the top teams in the age group right now, theyll be tough to beat. Big, fast, and strong, and very well coached. I watched them totally dismantle my sons team pretty easily.

Right now I would have to say that True Blue, Gladiators, and Terps Black will be the teams to beat this summer.

Jesters Black will be competitive with most teams at the age group as well, but they would have to play perfect lacrosse to compete with the aforementioned top teams at the age group.

Long Island lacrosse at the 2017 age group will be a force to be reckoned with.

The Jesters played horrible in the outlaw game

It looked like most of the Jester's starters spent most of the second half on the sidelines.

The scores/games between and among fl$/SNIPERS/TRUE BLUE/OUTLAWS were all over the map with True Blue coming out on top. fl$ and Outlaws both beat Snipers by eight goals each. Jesters beat fl$ by a bunch and tied Outlaws. Outlaws lost to True Blue 6-2 (TB face off middie was the difference in the game, big, strong, talented overmatched the Outlaw faceoff middie) so I would disagree with "smacked everyone around" with respect to the Outlaws. Outlaws played them this past fall and game was tied until the end and ended up losing 5-4.

As to "starters being on the sideline" - what does that mean besides trying to come up with an excuse for not winning?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True blue killed the jesters yesterday but the jesters came back today and beat fl$

Jesters 8th grade Black team did indeed take a beating from True Blue.

They beat the Snipers, they beat fl$ and tied the Outlaws. I would say overall they had a very good weekend.

True Blue is very good and they smacked everyone around. I would say True Blue is probably one of the top teams in the age group right now, theyll be tough to beat. Big, fast, and strong, and very well coached. I watched them totally dismantle my sons team pretty easily.

Right now I would have to say that True Blue, Gladiators, and Terps Black will be the teams to beat this summer.

Jesters Black will be competitive with most teams at the age group as well, but they would have to play perfect lacrosse to compete with the aforementioned top teams at the age group.

Long Island lacrosse at the 2017 age group will be a force to be reckoned with.

The Jesters played horrible in the outlaw game

It looked like most of the Jester's starters spent most of the second half on the sidelines.

The scores/games between and among fl$/SNIPERS/TRUE BLUE/OUTLAWS were all over the map with True Blue coming out on top. fl$ and Outlaws both beat Snipers by eight goals each. Jesters beat fl$ by a bunch and tied Outlaws. Outlaws lost to True Blue 6-2 (TB face off middie was the difference in the game, big, strong, talented overmatched the Outlaw faceoff middie) so I would disagree with "smacked everyone around" with respect to the Outlaws. Outlaws played them this past fall and game was tied until the end and ended up losing 5-4.

As to "starters being on the sideline" - what does that mean besides trying to come up with an excuse for not winning?

It means, simply, that most of the Jester's starters were on the sidelines most of the second half. At the half the Jesters were up by 4. That's all, just an observation.

Good games overall

So fl$ only beat the Snipers? I had heard they were going to be a strong team?

Please stop for a reality check

TB completely dominated that outlaw team - anyone who watched simply would agree that the outlaws are not on the same level as TB. yes, even if Outlaws won every off

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please stop for a reality check

TB completely dominated that outlaw team - anyone who watched simply would agree that the outlaws are not on the same level as TB. yes, even if Outlaws won every off

Please learn how to read - I complimented the TB face off kid, he dominated. TB scored two quick goals in the first few minutes and final score was 6-2. Yes, TB won but to say they smacked the Outlaws around or completely dominated would be false.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True blue killed the jesters yesterday but the jesters came back today and beat fl$

Jesters 8th grade Black team did indeed take a beating from True Blue.

They beat the Snipers, they beat fl$ and tied the Outlaws. I would say overall they had a very good weekend.

True Blue is very good and they smacked everyone around. I would say True Blue is probably one of the top teams in the age group right now, theyll be tough to beat. Big, fast, and strong, and very well coached. I watched them totally dismantle my sons team pretty easily.

Right now I would have to say that True Blue, Gladiators, and Terps Black will be the teams to beat this summer.

Jesters Black will be competitive with most teams at the age group as well, but they would have to play perfect lacrosse to compete with the aforementioned top teams at the age group.

Long Island lacrosse at the 2017 age group will be a force to be reckoned with.

The Jesters played horrible in the outlaw game

It looked like most of the Jester's starters spent most of the second half on the sidelines.

The scores/games between and among fl$/SNIPERS/TRUE BLUE/OUTLAWS were all over the map with True Blue coming out on top. fl$ and Outlaws both beat Snipers by eight goals each. Jesters beat fl$ by a bunch and tied Outlaws. Outlaws lost to True Blue 6-2 (TB face off middie was the difference in the game, big, strong, talented overmatched the Outlaw faceoff middie) so I would disagree with "smacked everyone around" with respect to the Outlaws. Outlaws played them this past fall and game was tied until the end and ended up losing 5-4.

As to "starters being on the sideline" - what does that mean besides trying to come up with an excuse for not winning?

It means, simply, that most of the Jester's starters were on the sidelines most of the second half. At the half the Jesters were up by 4. That's all, just an observation.

Good games overall

I say kudos to the Jesters coaches for getting everyone in. If you were good enough to make that team, you should get a reasonable amount of playing time. That's what we pay for as parents. Plenty of other coaches and organizations pack the bench for a buck. That only serves to demoralize the kid, and anger the parents. And no, I am not a Jesters parent -- and I am well aware of the negative and positive things said about the organization. I realize we all play to win, but in this tournament there isn't a championship game and one's record in the JDRF isn't going on any college application or resume.

Tb was better tahn outlaws, a little more athletic. Outlaws had more shots just did not finish. Be careful with they dominated- because fact is they did not. any one that saw game would agree.

I have my facts straight there were Terps Black players playing on the Terps! You admitted it too! 6-8 Terp Black players make the Terps an A team rather than the low level B team they are on there own.

This statement above shows that you have no idea what your talking about. It was the Terp team that played. There were 4 Players (not 6 or 7) that are true Terp players first but they also get to play when the Black Terps Play. Please Stop with the BS. To call any of them a low level B team only means you have something against the Express.... Move on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have my facts straight there were Terps Black players playing on the Terps! You admitted it too! 6-8 Terp Black players make the Terps an A team rather than the low level B team they are on there own.

This statement above shows that you have no idea what your talking about. It was the Terp team that played. There were 4 Players (not 6 or 7) that are true Terp players first but they also get to play when the Black Terps Play. Please Stop with the BS. To call any of them a low level B team only means you have something against the Express.... Move on.

Well said! Thank you!

I watched the TB and Outlaws game. I know both teams players/parents. Outlaws are a very good team. I must say TB played a smart, clean and respectable game. The TB coach did a great job managing the bench and getting all the kids ample playing time. He could of kept his starters in much longer and run the score up. Well coached and played by TB.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It was the Terp team that played. There were 4 Players (not 6 or 7) that are true Terp players first but they also get to play when the Black Terps Play. Please Stop with the BS. To call any of them a low level B team only means you have something against the Express.... Move on.

The Terps parents are very defensive that 6-8 Terps black players have to play with them for them to win. If it bothers you guys so much complain to MC that you want your own team! Include ALL positions and you know that it's not only 4 Terps black players that played with the Terps!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It was the Terp team that played. There were 4 Players (not 6 or 7) that are true Terp players first but they also get to play when the Black Terps Play. Please Stop with
the BS. To call any of them a low level B team only means you have something against the Express.... Move on.

The Terps parents are very defensive that 6-8 Terps black players have to play with them for them to win. If it bothers you guys so much complain to MC that you want your own team! Include ALL positions and you know that it's not only 4 Terps black players that played with the Terps!

As usual you do not have the facts. The only ones that are bothered are you the outside "wannabe's"! We all know you wish you could be part of the Terps/Terps Black. Anyway thank you, your jealousy is welcome and flattering.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As usual you do not have the facts. The only ones that are bothered are you the outside "wannabe's"! We all know you wish you could be part of the Terps/Terps Black. Anyway thank you, your jealousy is welcome and flattering.

I along with a few other Terp parents have expressed concern to MC about this situation so yes some of us are bothered. Nothing has been done and I doubt anything will be done but we have at least let our feeling be known as the customer!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As usual you do not have the facts. The only ones that are bothered are you the outside "wannabe's"! We all know you wish you could be part of the Terps/Terps Black. Anyway thank you, your jealousy is welcome and flattering.

I along with a few other Terp parents have expressed concern to MC about this situation so yes some of us are bothered. Nothing has been done and I doubt anything will be done but we have at least let our feeling be known as the customer!

What seems puzzling to me (not an Express parent) is why the need for the few players to play on both teams. Obviously they are good enough to belong on the terps black. Why not just keep them there permanently and fill the terps roster with other express players. There seems to be a large talent pool at this grade level and there shouldn't be a need to have players on both rosters. If I were the parent of a player who looses playing time to the terps/terps black players I'd be asking questions also.

If it isn't your team why so concerned that you need to ask the questions here?? Go bug your own coach!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As usual you do not have the facts. The only ones that are bothered are you the outside "wannabe's"! We all know you wish you could be part of the Terps/Terps Black. Anyway thank you, your jealousy is welcome and flattering.

I along with a few other Terp parents have expressed concern to MC about this situation so yes some of us are bothered. Nothing has been done and I doubt anything will be done but we have at least let our feeling be known as the customer!

What seems puzzling to me (not an Express parent) is why the need for the few players to play on both teams. Obviously they are good enough to belong on the terps black. Why not just keep them there permanently and fill the terps roster with other express players. There seems to be a large talent pool at this grade level and there shouldn't be a need to have players on both rosters. If I were the parent of a player who looses playing time to the terps/terps black players I'd be asking questions also.

Terps are a solid team. The added players give them quality depth. Give them a chance on their own and you will be surprised. May lose some games but they will be very competitive and will even upset some programs at this age group. They don't need the extra players. They are a very good team without them!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It was the Terp team that played. There were 4 Players (not 6 or 7) that are true Terp players first but they also get to play when the Black Terps Play. Please Stop with
the BS. To call any of them a low level B team only means you have something against the Express.... Move on.

The Terps parents are very defensive that 6-8 Terps black players have to play with them for them to win. If it bothers you guys so much complain to MC that you want your own team! Include ALL positions and you know that it's not only 4 Terps black players that played with the Terps!

As usual you do not have the facts. The only ones that are bothered are you the outside "wannabe's"! We all know you wish you could be part of the Terps/Terps Black. Anyway thank you, your jealousy is welcome and flattering.

This post is comical! We all want to be part of the debacle? Please!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If it isn't your team why so concerned that you need to ask the questions here?? Go bug your own coach!

Wow this topic really hits a nerve with the Terp parents.

You're right I shouldn't care.

I guess I'm caught up in all the posts that go back an forth about whose on what team, who was missing from the roster when they lost, who was added to the roster when they won, who's paying once for twice as many games, whose paying once for less games, who got moved up because they complained, etc. It's like a fender bender on the LIE(xpress), you don't like the fact that people slow down to look but you can't look away either.

Ok so I dont understand all the confusion. This would be very simple, make 2 teams with 2 set rosters and all this goes away. I think someone got influenced by a few overzealous parents. Its too bad, lot of talent on both teams, some good kids and good parents. I truly believe they are being held back by all this nonsense. Hopefully the powers that be smarten up and dont let this happen again next year. The kids deserve better......

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You're right I shouldn't care.

I guess I'm caught up in all the posts that go back an forth about whose on what team, who was missing from the roster when they lost, who was added to the roster when they won, who's paying once for twice as many games, whose paying once for less games, who got moved up because they complained, etc. It's like a fender bender on the LIE(xpress), you don't like the fact that people slow down to look but you can't look away either.

Seriously though, one of the issues with youth sports has always been the controversy over players playing �down�, either in age or skill level, to give a team an unfair advantage. Accusations are always being made and defended. I think this topic rubs people the wrong way because Express is now openly having players play �down� on the Terps.

It�s like a B level team entering a tournament in the B bracket and then bringing several A players with them. The other B teams would take acceptation. Additionally, given the size of the Express organization and the number of 2017 players that were at their tryouts, it�s hard to defend this practice. Having a flexible roster doesn�t appear to serve any purpose other than to give the Terps an unfair advantage.

Now before anyone get�s their panties in a bunch, I�m not saying that any of the Terps or Terps Black players are not age appropriate nor am I saying the Terps are a B level team. Terps and Terps Black are two of the best teams at this age group. I�m simply saying having the flex roster that brings down players from the next level team gives them an advantage over many of the teams they play.

I am a Terp parent and I love having the Terp Black kids playing with us, the kids get along,the parent's are nice people. It's good competitive lax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You're right I shouldn't care.

I guess I'm caught up in all the posts that go back an forth about whose on what team, who was missing from the roster when they lost, who was added to the roster when they won, who's paying once for twice as many games, whose paying once for less games, who got moved up because they complained, etc. It's like a fender bender on the LIE(xpress), you don't like the fact that people slow down to look but you can't look away either.

Seriously though, one of the issues with youth sports has always been the controversy over players playing �down�, either in age or skill level, to give a team an unfair advantage. Accusations are always being made and defended. I think this topic rubs people the wrong way because Express is now openly having players play �down� on the Terps.

It�s like a B level team entering a tournament in the B bracket and then bringing several A players with them. The other B teams would take acceptation. Additionally, given the size of the Express organization and the number of 2017 players that were at their tryouts, it�s hard to defend this practice. Having a flexible roster doesn�t appear to serve any purpose other than to give the Terps an unfair advantage.

Now before anyone get�s their panties in a bunch, I�m not saying that any of the Terps or Terps Black players are not age appropriate nor am I saying the Terps are a B level team. Terps and Terps Black are two of the best teams at this age group. I�m simply saying having the flex roster that brings down players from the next level team gives them an advantage over many of the teams they play.

Agreed.

What Long Island 2017 teams are coming to play in Maryland this summer? I am a native of LI and love to see the teams down here. Some good competition down in Baltimore from Crabs, Breakers, FCA and Mad Lax...gets boring always playing the same teams.

Terps and Terps black both play A in tournaments, so your logic doesnt work...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps and Terps black both play A in tournaments, so your logic doesnt work...

Are they in the exact same tournaments?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am a Terp parent and I love having the Terp Black kids playing with us, the kids get along,the parent's are nice people. It's good competitive lax.

Of course those 6-8 boys put your sons Terps team on a different level!

What makes it so ridiculous is that the Express has FOUR 2017 teams. More than enough boys to make 4 separate teams with set rosters and no playing down!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps and Terps black both play A in tournaments, so your logic doesnt work...

Are they in the exact same tournaments?

yes

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps and Terps black both play A in tournaments, so your logic doesnt work...

Both may play in A tournaments but clearly they are not on the same level.

Is if fair to say that the addition of the Terps Black players improves the Terps? If you agree, then Terps get an unfair advantage. If you disagree, then Express is fielding 2 A team rosters while only using enough players for 1 3/4 A team rosters. Other teams would pull up players from the B teams to fill out the rosters. Again, Terps get an unfair advantage.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps and Terps black both play A in tournaments, so your logic doesnt work...

Are they in the exact same tournaments?

yes

Umm, No. Many tournaments have an explicit rule against players playing on more than one roster. Go back to the beginning of this conversation - the Terps were in the finals at Lax Splash. According to the schedule on the web site Terps Black were not there. (They also list the rule where players can only be on one roster).

If your not involved .... Why are you so concerned?
Also how are they playing down when they all play in the A bracket.
Lastly why do you assume they are playing down? The boys that play both are on the Terps first and are black second.
So if you can not grasp the concept and can only see it as playing up or down
Then those boys would be playing up.....
But you will turn it anyway you need so you can still grip.
AGAIN GET A LIFE MOVE ON.

As we all know there is a line where you are good enough to be on an A team (and make it) but you are maybe not the best or do not get ample playing time on the A team but the practices and playing you do get are invaluable. So you stay on A. If the organization was smart they would ask these such kids to play on their other teams, this means they recognize your talents but also want you to play more because by playing more you get better no better substitute that playing time to make you a better player. and it is more fun

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You're right I shouldn't care.

I guess I'm caught up in all the posts that go back an forth about whose on what team, who was missing from the roster when they lost, who was added to the roster when they won, who's paying once for twice as many games, whose paying once for less games, who got moved up because they complained, etc. It's like a fender bender on the LIE(xpress), you don't like the fact that people slow down to look but you can't look away either.

Seriously though, one of the issues with youth sports has always been the controversy over players playing �down�, either in age or skill level, to give a team an unfair advantage. Accusations are always being made and defended. I think this topic rubs people the wrong way because Express is now openly having players play �down� on the Terps.

It�s like a B level team entering a tournament in the B bracket and then bringing several A players with them. The other B teams would take acceptation. Additionally, given the size of the Express organization and the number of 2017 players that were at their tryouts, it�s hard to defend this practice. Having a flexible roster doesn�t appear to serve any purpose other than to give the Terps an unfair advantage.

Now before anyone get�s their panties in a bunch, I�m not saying that any of the Terps or Terps Black players are not age appropriate nor am I saying the Terps are a B level team. Terps and Terps Black are two of the best teams at this age group. I�m simply saying having the flex roster that brings down players from the next level team gives them an advantage over many of the teams they play.

Both teams play in the A divisions of every tournament they enter...How is that playing down?????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If your not involved .... Why are you so concerned?
Also how are they playing down when they all play in the A bracket.
Lastly why do you assume they are playing down? The boys that play both are on the Terps first and are black second.
So if you can not grasp the concept and can only see it as playing up or down
Then those boys would be playing up.....
But you will turn it anyway you need so you can still grip.
AGAIN GET A LIFE MOVE ON.

So are you saying that if the Terps and Terps Black have conflicting tournaments, they play with the Terps?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps and Terps black both play A in tournaments, so your logic doesnt work...

Are they in the exact same tournaments?

yes

You are wrong. Just went to express website, Terps Black and Terps in completely different tournaments except their last one. Black scheduled tournaments seem to be tougher by far.

Or better yet, what if they played each other. Then what team would they play on. Wonder who would win. lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Or better yet, what if they played each other. Then what team would they play on. Wonder who would win. lol

Can this be taken to the Express board? So sick of hearing about it. If they are convinced this is the "right" thing to do for (or to) their own kids, it's their business. When thei child is tossed from one team to another next year they may be singing a different tune! Can we get back to the rest of the 2017 kids please

I bet the Terps will not answer this question Honestly.

not true. st pats tourny they were in diff brackets, black winning the higher bracket

All of you do not know the system or how it works, if you say yes you do it's here say. If there are actually Terp/Terp Black parents writing on here and saying this, I challenge you to call a TEAM MEETING with the coaches, parents and speak out in front of all, you know the schedule. If you are not capable of doing this you have 2 options....

1. Shut-up and enjoy watching your son play
2. Just leave if this is the way you feel

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I bet the Terps will not answer this question Honestly.

What do you all think will change? Will the organization right itself suddenly, and act with nothing but the kids' best interest in mind? Why post on this site anonymously, and name-call and argue, using initials to thinly disguise identities which we all are aware of? Move on. Go elsewhere.
they aren't going to get you a spot unless you are VERY good. If he or she (your child) is, they will do just fine anywhere. Don't be taken. C'mon, you know better.

They have already answered it.

for all the people that can't read--please don't comment on my spelling--both teams pay in the A brackets at tournaments they join. So, there is no way anyone can consider their team in an A bracket at a disadtvantage.

Unless your child is on one of the teams, you have no gripe and move on.. for those on the teams, they have options next year but have probably already paid for this year...

leave it alone and start gossiping about something else..

Not honestly. It has been asnsawered with lies and misleading statements. again and again. Read thought this thread and you will see contradiction after contradiction. over and over again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

for all the people that can't read--please don't comment on my spelling--both teams pay in the A brackets at tournaments they join. So, there is no way anyone can consider their team in an A bracket at a disadtvantage.

Unless your child is on one of the teams, you have no gripe and move on.. for those on the teams, they have options next year but have probably already paid for this year...

leave it alone and start gossiping about something else..

Holy cow, couldn't agree more. Ya know, just a few years ago summer lacrosse at 14 was about playing tough competition and becoming a better lacrosse player. This whole terp thing is nuts, it doesn't mean anything. Pretty much NO 2017 is getting any college looks yet. Let it go, focus on getting your son better. If he becomes really great he'll play at Cham or St. A's, if not he won't play that much, yet he'll still go to a good school and will probably play lacrosse. RELAX try to enjoy it, before you know they'll be gone. Here's another tid bit, you don't have to be on the best team to get recruited!! The college coaches don't care who wins the games at the tournaments....

I was at the JDRF Tournament this past weekend and at least 6 or 7 Terp Black kids played for he Piranhas, so I would guess the Express program moves their stronger players around to give them more playing time and also make there less competitive teams stronger.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not honestly. It has been asnsawered with lies and misleading statements. again and again. Read thought this thread and you will see contradiction after contradiction. over and over again.

Yes, do read this thread. Seems to me the only contradictions are coming from non terp parents and their confusion. Way too many grown adults concerned about other people's business. There is nothing wrong with putting the best team on a field,period. Not every kid is an impact player.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was at the JDRF Tournament this past weekend and at least 6 or 7 Terp Black kids played for he Piranhas, so I would guess the Express program moves their stronger players around to give them more playing time and also make there less competitive teams stronger.

So 6 Terp Black players played for the Terps and another 6 or 7 played for the Piranas. If the Black team doesn't have a tournament they play with the weaker express teams to make those team seem better than they are?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was at the JDRF Tournament this past weekend and at least 6 or 7 Terp Black kids played for he Piranhas, so I would guess the Express program moves their stronger players around to give them more playing time and also make there less competitive teams stronger.

So 6 Terp Black players played for the Terps and another 6 or 7 played for the Piranas. If the Black team doesn't have a tournament they play with the weaker express teams to make those team seem better than they are?

Winner, winner, chicken dinner!!

who cares?? Some kids play for travel and town teams,some kids play for a few town teams,some players play for school and club teams,some kids have family obligations or other sports commitments,injuries,family work schedules,financial reasons. There are many many reasons why any given team needs to add players or move players around for any given reason at any given tournament.Who cares its only the business of that kid and his/her family! If you have something you don't like going on with your team them go to the coaches and directors and SPEAK up in person to the people that can help make the changes.Stop with the behind a computer screen complaining.It will not help anything!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

for all the people that can't read--please don't comment on my spelling--both teams pay in the A brackets at tournaments they join. So, there is no way anyone can consider their team in an A bracket at a disadtvantage.

Unless your child is on one of the teams, you have no gripe and move on.. for those on the teams, they have options next year but have probably already paid for this year...

leave it alone and start gossiping about something else..

Holy cow, couldn't agree more. Ya know, just a few years ago summer lacrosse at 14 was about playing tough competition and becoming a better lacrosse player. This whole terp thing is nuts, it doesn't mean anything. Pretty much NO 2017 is getting any college looks yet. Let it go, focus on getting your son better. If he becomes really great he'll play at Cham or St. A's, if not he won't play that much, yet he'll still go to a good school and will probably play lacrosse. RELAX try to enjoy it, before you know they'll be gone. Here's another tid bit, you don't have to be on the best team to get recruited!! The college coaches don't care who wins the games at the tournaments....

Well said and agree. However, I'll venture that not every "good" player wants to go to St. Anthony's and Chaminade. Plenty of quality players around who choose a different path. While a certain club or school may help with connections, talent, hard work and self-determination will get a kid recruited.

The kids on the Express enjoy it. It is a competitive organization and true players love the challenge. The coaches do a great job in bringing the best out in each kid. There are no politics involved, just come and play hard and everything will work out fine.

Should be an interesting weekend for 2018 express terp. 2018 terps playing up in 8th grade A division against 2017 terps and piranahs and outlaws...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

for all the people that can't read--please don't comment on my spelling--both teams pay in the A brackets at tournaments they join. So, there is no way anyone can consider their team in an A bracket at a disadtvantage.

Unless your child is on one of the teams, you have no gripe and move on.. for those on the teams, they have options next year but have probably already paid for this year...

leave it alone and start gossiping about something else..

Holy cow, couldn't agree more. Ya know, just a few years ago summer lacrosse at 14 was about playing tough competition and becoming a better lacrosse player. This whole terp thing is nuts, it doesn't mean anything. Pretty much NO 2017 is getting any college looks yet. Let it go, focus on getting your son better. If he becomes really great he'll play at Cham or St. A's, if not he won't play that much, yet he'll still go to a good school and will probably play lacrosse. RELAX try to enjoy it, before you know they'll be gone. Here's another tid bit, you don't have to be on the best team to get recruited!! The college coaches don't care who wins the games at the tournaments....

Well said and agree. However, I'll venture that not every "good" player wants to go to St. Anthony's and Chaminade. Plenty of quality players around who choose a different path. While a certain club or school may help with connections, talent, hard work and self-determination will get a kid recruited.

You're right not every good player wants the Catholic schools. On Express though, many are there for that very reason.

There were only 3 Terp black players at the JDRF, and only because the Pirahanas were short players and everyone else was down in Maryland

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were only 3 Terp black players at the JDRF, and only because the Pirahanas were short players and everyone else was down in Maryland

Ok so 3 Terp Black players on the Piranas at JDRF and 8 Terp Black on the Terps in Maryland. That's 11 Terp black players playing on lesser Express teams last weekend.

Thats very good. Next question: If you have 10 apples and you eat three , how many do you have left ?
Lets see if you can figure that on out?

If the teams play in the A brackets what do you care? You are upset because your team in the A bracket should have won? I can see your argument if they were playing in B brackets, but if they play A what is the problem? Not playing down. Playing down is when one team stacks good kids in a less competitive bracket. if you play A you want the best competition possible.

if your team is lossing by more than 10 goals to in the A brackets, the team belongs in B bracket. stop complaining and play in the appropriate bracket...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were only 3 Terp black players at the JDRF, and only because the Pirahanas were short players and everyone else was down in Maryland

Ok so 3 Terp Black players on the Piranas at JDRF and 8 Terp Black on the Terps in Maryland. That's 11 Terp black players playing on lesser Express teams last weekend.

Who cares? the fact that you are tracking 8th grade boys and concerning yourself with when and where they are playing lacrosse is very sad. Go start your own club and run it however you like.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was at the JDRF Tournament this past weekend and at least 6 or 7 Terp Black kids played for he Piranhas, so I would guess the Express program moves their stronger players around to give them more playing time and also make there less competitive teams stronger.

that's such a lie

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thats very good. Next question: If you have 10 apples and you eat three , how many do you have left ?
Lets see if you can figure that on out?

7

Does anyone know where the JDRF photos are getting posted?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were only 3 Terp black players at the JDRF, and only because the Pirahanas were short players and everyone else was down in Maryland

Ok so 3 Terp Black players on the Piranas at JDRF and 8 Terp Black on the Terps in Maryland. That's 11 Terp black players playing on lesser Express teams last weekend.

Who cares? the fact that you are tracking 8th grade boys and concerning yourself with when and where they are playing lacrosse is very sad. Go start your own club and run it however you like.

The "fact" is that you are desensortized to what is right & wrong. Again, ALL of LI lacrosse players tried out for travel teams last sept/oct. the coaches & these kids have been (or not) playing & practicing together for months. Every team has kids that have improved & some that have not improved. The coaches & the kids & the parents deal with that. ONLY in "Expressland" is it acceptable to have kids on a sliding scale all year long & parents justifying the "sharing" of players! It has never been ok & Ill never understand how you can argue that. Thea are children, not matter how competitive lacrosse can be there should always be a line between right & wrong.

There were more than 3 Terp Black players on the Piranhas and from what I could tell there was not a shortage of players, there were at least 20 kids in total. But who cares, I guess it is in Expresses best interest to ensure all their teams are competative thus bringing kids from their A to C team. The only people that should be disapointed are the Piranhas players that recieved less play time, as a parent I would not be too happy if this happened on my sons team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were only 3 Terp black players at the JDRF, and only because the Pirahanas were short players and everyone else was down in Maryland

Ok so 3 Terp Black players on the Piranas at JDRF and 8 Terp Black on the Terps in Maryland. That's 11 Terp black players playing on lesser Express teams last weekend.

Who cares? the fact that you are tracking 8th grade boys and concerning yourself with when and where they are playing lacrosse is very sad. Go start your own club and run it however you like.

The "fact" is that you are desensortized to what is right & wrong. Again, ALL of LI lacrosse players tried out for travel teams last sept/oct. the coaches & these kids have been (or not) playing & practicing together for months. Every team has kids that have improved & some that have not improved. The coaches & the kids & the parents deal with that. ONLY in "Expressland" is it acceptable to have kids on a sliding scale all year long & parents justifying the "sharing" of players! It has never been ok & Ill never understand how you can argue that. Thea are children, not matter how competitive lacrosse can be there should always be a line between right & wrong.

Not just on club teams. Now happening in Three Village.

It is in the best of interest's of all teams to play the best possible competition. So if there were Terp Black players sprinkled on various teams, that is only to the advantage of the opponents. They get to step their games up against better players and that is how they grow. So I think it is a helpful thing for everyone involved that Express has a flexible policy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were only 3 Terp black players at the JDRF, and only because the Pirahanas were short players and everyone else was down in Maryland

Ok so 3 Terp Black players on the Piranas at JDRF and 8 Terp Black on the Terps in Maryland. That's 11 Terp black players playing on lesser Express teams last weekend.

Who cares? the fact that you are tracking 8th grade boys and concerning yourself with when and where they are playing lacrosse is very sad. Go start your own club and run it however you like.

The "fact" is that you are desensortized to what is right & wrong. Again, ALL of LI lacrosse players tried out for travel teams last sept/oct. the coaches & these kids have been (or not) playing & practicing together for months. Every team has kids that have improved & some that have not improved. The coaches & the kids & the parents deal with that. ONLY in "Expressland" is it acceptable to have kids on a sliding scale all year long & parents justifying the "sharing" of players! It has never been ok & Ill never understand how you can argue that. Thea are children, not matter how competitive lacrosse can be there should always be a line between right & wrong.

Excellent point. Some how right or does not matter to some people as long as everyone agrees...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is in the best of interest's of all teams to play the best possible competition. So if there were Terp Black players sprinkled on various teams, that is only to the advantage of the opponents. They get to step their games up against better players and that is how they grow. So I think it is a helpful thing for everyone involved that Express has a flexible policy.

No offense but I have to play the B.S. card here. Only the "better" teams feel this way. Most teams want to play the team they signed up for. Some do want to play better competition so they may choose to play up in a tournament. However if you signed up for a B bracket and expect to play the Piranha's chances are you won't be thrilled to see the Terps black players.

Although we do appreciate Express taking our best interest to heart.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is in the best of interest's of all teams to play the best possible competition. So if there were Terp Black players sprinkled on various teams, that is only to the advantage of the opponents. They get to step their games up against better players and that is how they grow. So I think it is a helpful thing for everyone involved that Express has a flexible policy.

Thanks but I believe everyone else would call this "sandbagging".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is in the best of interest's of all teams to play the best possible competition. So if there were Terp Black players sprinkled on various teams, that is only to the advantage of the opponents. They get to step their games up against better players and that is how they grow. So I think it is a helpful thing for everyone involved that Express has a flexible policy.

Thanks but I believe everyone else would call this "sandbagging".

... and "cheating".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is in the best of interest's of all teams to play the best possible competition. So if there were Terp Black players sprinkled on various teams, that is only to the advantage of the opponents. They get to step their games up against better players and that is how they grow. So I think it is a helpful thing for everyone involved that Express has a flexible policy.

Thanks but I believe everyone else would call this "sandbagging".

from Herm Edwards "You Play to Win the Game"!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is in the best of interest's of all teams to play the best possible competition. So if there were Terp Black players sprinkled on various teams, that is only to the advantage of the opponents. They get to step their games up against better players and that is how they grow. So I think it is a helpful thing for everyone involved that Express has a flexible policy.

Oh brother !!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is in the best of interest's of all teams to play the best possible competition. So if there were Terp Black players sprinkled on various teams, that is only to the advantage of the opponents. They get to step their games up against better players and that is how they grow. So I think it is a helpful thing for everyone involved that Express has a flexible policy.

"Flexible Policy"...Classic!!!!! They are not doing it for the betterment of the other players, they are taking in the cash & you parents are drinking th Kool Aid. Do whatever you want to do but, don't come on here & say that sharing players is the right thing to do, you sound ridiculous!

Herm Edwards ? Really.

Did you reread what you wrote before you posted?...government employee by chance?

Deal the cards and play the hand you have. There is no benefit for any team, individual or opponent to have shuffled players from game to game. By summer this action needs to stop and summer ball is now.

Please find me a club that does not move players from team to team or bring in players from another club or out of town.

Sounds like a Civil Service employee....

We all know how this works. Bring down the Terp Black kids to help the other team. Unless the Terp Black kid is taking your kids playing time. Then it is an issue. Some parents want to live thought there kids. It is more important to win at any cost. That is not good competition, it is loading the deck. You practice way more then you play so bring these better kids to your practice and stand on your own two feet at tournaments. Grow and get better as a team. Sounds like some of us have forgotten that word. TEAM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please find me a club that does not move players from team to team or bring in players from another club or out of town.

name a club or a town.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were more than 3 Terp Black players on the Piranhas and from what I could tell there was not a shortage of players, there were at least 20 kids in total. But who cares, I guess it is in Expresses best interest to ensure all their teams are competative thus bringing kids from their A to C team. The only people that should be disapointed are the Piranhas players that recieved less play time, as a parent I would not be too happy if this happened on my sons team.

everyone is getting too hung up on the label "black terp" ,dare I say even the "black terp" parents with kids on both rosters. Looking back at an old post that explained it - the kids that are on both rosters and that play on terps also are not the "A" players on the black. There have never been nor will there be any "black only" kids playing on terps this summer.

Ladies and gentlemen this is the wrestler. Trying to separate Black Terps from Terps. He is the reason there are two Terp teams to begin with. He is too good to have his son play with untalented Terp players? Oh did we mention were changing the Terp Black uniforms so there is no confusion between the teams. Oh and by the way he supplies the uniforms to the Terps. See a conflict of interest?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please find me a club that does not move players from team to team or bring in players from another club or out of town.

name a club or a town.

Crabs (MD)
West Coast Stars (CA, AZ, NV)
Philly Freedom
Dukes (PA)

On LI, I cannot name any. But the above clubs do it all the time and DON'T hide it. I'm not saying I agree with it (because I don't), but it's a fact it's done for past few years off LI.

Very funny this guy can�t keep his mouth shut. It�s like a drug addiction. Any time you mention the Terps Black in the same breath as the Terps. He separates them. Not the same talent blah blah blah.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very funny this guy can�t keep his mouth shut. It�s like a drug addiction. Any time you mention the Terps Black in the same breath as the Terps. He separates them. Not the same talent blah blah blah.

Outlaws 2017 beat Terps Black/Terps 6-1 to take the Forsberg tournament championship.

Outlaws dominated both Terps team they played today (2017 and 2018) both were goodn games though. 7-2 versus 2018 and 6-1 in championship versus 2017. There seemed to be at least 10 kids with Terps Black helmets as well. Well done Outlaws.

outlaws also beat 2018 terps 5-2...

My son has already gone through the Express program and in the 4 or 5 years that he played with the Express I never saw players moving between one team to another within the grade. There were some kids occasionally added after the tryouts but even that was pretty rare and nobody ever played for two teams within the grade. Once the summer started (usually the Forsberg tournament) the rosters were set and no kids were added or subtracted. This must be something new that they are trying and it sounds like its unsettling. I hope it's temporary or somehow works out ok for all. Enjoy the ride while you can - summer lax used to be fun and stress free. Something seems to have changed.

looks like it is not working out for the Express Terps - if they only scored 1 goal from a B+ (judging by last weeks performance at JDRF) Outlaws team at best...

What has changed? MC saw an opportunity to try exploit parents and take as much money as possible from them...

Again this crap is all talk from pot stirring parents that dont have a dog in the fight!!! If it isnt your team why so interested on who is playing where ? Its amazing that all the negative comments come from parents that play on opposite teams? This leaves us all to see your lacrosse envy of a good program with good players.All these teams are good yes some are better and some have larger numbers of participants allowing for different options and choices amongest teams. So stop with the bashing and support these children that play a sport and learn and grow throughout the process. BTW the refs were not great at Forseberg,too many games in a row for them parking was horrendous saw 2 accidents in the area between parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Outlaws dominated both Terps team they played today (2017 and 2018) both were good games though. 7-2 versus 2018 and 6-1 in championship versus 2017. There seemed to be at least 10 kids with Terps Black helmets as well. Well done Outlaws.

Congrats on the win. Just want to clarify..dominated?? The game against 2018 Terps was a good game 5 to 2 with a several good opportunities for the younger team to make it closer.The outlaw goalie made some nice saves keeping it close,the age difference showed in the size of the older players. Not bad for a 7th grade team playing up,and where down a few key players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please find me a club that does not move players from team to team or bring in players from another club or out of town.

As far as I know and I dont claim to know every team, NO top team in any age group brings in players. Once in a while a kid is added after tryouts but that kid becomes part of the team prior to the summer tournaments. Team 91 Crush, Teacm 91 Smash, Express' top teams like the Turtles, Team LI, True Blue, Igloo etc. Actually it appears that the only place this bringing in kids occurs is in the large organizations on their B and C teams. Not sure why any parent would stand for it. If your son doesnt make the A team, no problem, you should then be looking for the best possible training and to be competitive in the B bracket of tournaments. Hopefully your kid gets better, makes some friends and has some fun. IF your coach or organization is brining in new players because they have a "win at all costs" mentality, well then you have to ask yourself is this what you bargained for?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please find me a club that does not move players from team to team or bring in players from another club or out of town.

As far as I know and I dont claim to know every team, NO top team in any age group brings in players. Once in a while a kid is added after tryouts but that kid becomes part of the team prior to the summer tournaments. Team 91 Crush, Teacm 91 Smash, Express' top teams like the Turtles, Team LI, True Blue, Igloo etc. Actually it appears that the only place this bringing in kids occurs is in the large organizations on their B and C teams. Not sure why any parent would stand for it. If your son doesnt make the A team, no problem, you should then be looking for the best possible training and to be competitive in the B bracket of tournaments. Hopefully your kid gets better, makes some friends and has some fun. IF your coach or organization is brining in new players because they have a "win at all costs" mentality, well then you have to ask yourself is this what you bargained for?

Some kids play on multiple teams.

Are you saying the the Outlaws are a B+ team???

Is this guy short and heavy set? Terp Black was down here and a heavy set guy wearing a light blue express jacket was bashing his teammates and some of our parents could not beleive it. I bet this is the same guy. Sucks to have somone like this on your team.

The refs??? Really. They were tasked with 3 games and then donated a fourth for the charity.

At least come up with a real excuse for your team losses.

We have friends that play on Black with him and the team parents really don�t like him. He is always back stabbing everyone. If your kid has a bad game he wants to move you to the Terp team. Unfortunately the parents on the team have no choice but to deal with him. He has some kind of hold on Express. He is constantly trying to control everything

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please find me a club that does not move players from team to team or bring in players from another club or out of town.

As far as I know and I dont claim to know every team, NO top team in any age group brings in players. Once in a while a kid is added after tryouts but that kid becomes part of the team prior to the summer tournaments. Team 91 Crush, Teacm 91 Smash, Express' top teams like the Turtles, Team LI, True Blue, Igloo etc. Actually it appears that the only place this bringing in kids occurs is in the large organizations on their B and C teams. Not sure why any parent would stand for it. If your son doesnt make the A team, no problem, you should then be looking for the best possible training and to be competitive in the B bracket of tournaments. Hopefully your kid gets better, makes some friends and has some fun. IF your coach or organization is brining in new players because they have a "win at all costs" mentality, well then you have to ask yourself is this what you bargained for?

Some kids play on multiple teams.

yes some kids play on multiple teams but rarely does a top team bring kids over for tournaments or mix up the roster mid-season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The refs??? Really. They were tasked with 3 games and then donated a fourth for the charity.

At least come up with a real excuse for your team losses.

Not an excuse at all... just an observation in talking with a ref that was very tired and hot,he made thecomment to me after i gave him a bottle of water! Relax with the testosterone! It was a great fun day for a great charity! I happen to know the family and love that the event honors a great cause!! The little boy lax is just that...remember the tourn is for something mych bigger than wins and losses!! Think its great the Outlaws do this and all the teams that participate do so for the charity.Not for achampionship,or to bash Express! So keep on hating !!! Think Express did the right thing by gringinag ad namy kids as possible to play for the charity!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Outlaws dominated both Terps team they played today (2017 and 2018) both were goodn games though. 7-2 versus 2018 and 6-1 in championship versus 2017. There seemed to be at least 10 kids with Terps Black helmets as well. Well done Outlaws.

Congrats Outlaws, nice win! Let's be honest, dominated, really??? Did you watch the game? 3rd game and Championship game, I would not call it "Dominating" by any means. Congrats again a very nice win.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We have friends that play on Black with him and the team parents really don�t like him. He is always back stabbing everyone. If your kid has a bad game he wants to move you to the Terp team. Unfortunately the parents on the team have no choice but to deal with him. He has some kind of hold on Express. He is constantly trying to control everything

ohhh the old "friends" comment..... get real almost every team has at least one parent that is annoying,its part of the competive gene.Dont think it stops at the next level,gets worse!!! Just enjoy your own child snd experience!!

You brought up the refs. Don't bring it up if you are not able to deal with the response on an open forum. Thank you

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is this guy short and heavy set? Terp Black was down here and a heavy set guy wearing a light blue express jacket was bashing his teammates and some of our parents could not beleive it. I bet this is the same guy. Sucks to have somone like this on your team.

OMG, can you do a better job of trying to MASKED yourself as the same person whom keeps ripping this one guy on here?!? Its so transparent, why so obsessed? Why don't you confront him instead of accusing someone anonymously? So pathetic.

You seem a little paranoid with your man behind the curtain running everything conspiracy theory. I bet he runs 91 and fl$ also actually probably the entire 2017 age group. You better be careful he may figure out who you are and have your kid banned from the sport! Get a life and enjoy your own son and his play! Stop being such a hater it makes you look pathetic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We have friends that play on Black with him and the team parents really don�t like him. He is always back stabbing everyone. If your kid has a bad game he wants to move you to the Terp team. Unfortunately the parents on the team have no choice but to deal with him. He has some kind of hold on Express. He is constantly trying to control everything

The is the former pro wrestler. Watch out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We have friends that play on Black with him and the team parents really don�t like him. He is always back stabbing everyone. If your kid has a bad game he wants to move you to the Terp team. Unfortunately the parents on the team have no choice but to deal with him. He has some kind of hold on Express. He is constantly trying to control everything

The is the former pro wrestler. Watch out.

And a generous plus good guy, my son and his were teammates elsewhere.

No need to worry <<Content Deleted>>.

outlaws is a B plus team - lack size and offensive firepower

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No need to worry <<Content Deleted>>.

I can't believe BOTC is allowing these unsubstantiated attacks on a player's father to be posted on this site. How do you think his son feels? This parent is not a coach and should not have to sit defenseless while some maniac makes such disparaging personal assaults. I thought all comments were monitored by a moderator?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No need to worry <<Content Deleted>>.

I can't believe BOTC is allowing these unsubstantiated attacks on a player's father to be posted on this site. How do you think his son feels? This parent is not a coach and should not have to sit defenseless while some maniac makes such disparaging personal assaults. I thought all comments were monitored by a moderator?

All posts are moderated. Given all of your moral outrage you would be ... who?

BOTC is not now and has never been a site for children - do not expect that BOTC will be monitoring your child's internet usage.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No need to worry <<Content Deleted>>.

I can't believe BOTC is allowing these unsubstantiated attacks on a player's father to be posted on this site. How do you think his son feels? This parent is not a coach and should not have to sit defenseless while some maniac makes such disparaging personal assaults. I thought all comments were monitored by a moderator?

The comments about this individual have all been true so whats the problem?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No need to worry <<Content Deleted>>.

I can't believe BOTC is allowing these unsubstantiated attacks on a player's father to be posted on this site. How do you think his son feels? This parent is not a coach and should not have to sit defenseless while some maniac makes such disparaging personal assaults. I thought all comments were monitored by a moderator?

The comments about this individual have all been true so whats the problem?

True? Says who, you? Your the little gutless mouse making things up because your kid isn't on the team you want him on? Crawl out from under the rock you hide under and approach this dad if its TRUE. Your a liar and you have issues. What upsets me is this type of mom or dad come on here and say these things about ANY of us parents!

Crabs (MD) actually adds players during the year..limiting playing time for those that don't meet coach's standards

Originally Posted by Anonymous

outlaws is a B plus team - lack size and offensive firepower

Thank you for your erroneous analysis and rating based on the size of the players. And whose team does your son play for?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs (MD) actually adds players during the year..limiting playing time for those that don't meet coach's standards

Ive heard that also. But they don't have many teams under their banner so I could see why they do that, in a way. Good club tho and good u15 team.

Yes, very good club...I like the one team per age group focus. PUt your best on the field and avoid parents arguing and complaining about what team their son plays on

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, very good club...I like the one team per age group focus. PUt your best on the field and avoid parents arguing and complaining about what team their son plays on

Yes. Like fl$ does, less messy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs (MD) actually adds players during the year..limiting playing time for those that don't meet coach's standards

Ive heard that also. But they don't have many teams under their banner so I could see why they do that, in a way. Good club tho and good u15 team.

Anyone know if the Crabs are going to the U15 tournament in Florida this summer?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We have friends that play on Black with him and the team parents really don�t like him. He is always back stabbing everyone. If your kid has a bad game he wants to move you to the Terp team. Unfortunately the parents on the team have no choice but to deal with him. He has some kind of hold on Express. He is constantly trying to control everything

I'm glad you have some friends somewhere because comments like this are insignificant and are likely going to lose you any friends that you claim you have. I am a black terp parent and I can say there is no animosity at all among us. Sorry to ruin your day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No need to worry steroids are all out of his system.

I can't believe BOTC is allowing these unsubstantiated attacks on a player's father to be posted on this site. How do you think his son feels? This parent is not a coach and should not have to sit defenseless while some maniac makes such disparaging personal assaults. I thought all comments were monitored by a moderator?

The comments about this individual have all been true so whats the problem?

True? Says who, you? Your the little gutless mouse making things up because your kid isn't on the team you want him on? Crawl out from under the rock you hide under and approach this dad if its TRUE. Your a liar and you have issues. What upsets me is this type of mom or dad come on here and say these things about ANY of us parents!

I couldn't agree more. BOTC should take charge and remove these hurtful and catty posts. In addition to them being false, it is slander and absurd that a parent is writing this. Obviously it's someone who is mentally ill and in need of help.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I couldn't agree more. BOTC should take charge and remove these hurtful and catty posts. In addition to them being false, it is slander and absurd that a parent is writing this. Obviously it's someone who is mentally ill and in need of help.

Another anonymous hero telling us what is and is not the truth in the lacrosse arena. We strong urge you to contact us with your information via e-mail - not anonymously - with the details as to what is inaccurate in this thread.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We have friends that play on Black with him and the team parents really don�t like him. He is always back stabbing everyone. If your kid has a bad game he wants to move you to the Terp team. Unfortunately the parents on the team have no choice but to deal with him. He has some kind of hold on Express. He is constantly trying to control everything

I'm glad you have some friends somewhere because comments like this are insignificant and are likely going to lose you any friends that you claim you have. I am a black terp parent and I can say there is no animosity at all among us. Sorry to ruin your day.

At the Forsberg 8th grade A championship, the sun was directly in the eyes of the Outlaws defense. The Outlaws coach asked the Express Terps Black/Terps Without a Color coaches if they would mind switching sides halfway through the game. Express coaches were fine with it as were the refs. But all you heard was the animosity among the Express parents saying the rules are changing, the Outlaws are cheating, blah, blah, blah....by the way, the Outlaws were up 3-1 with the sun in their eyes on defense.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I couldn't agree more. BOTC should take charge and remove these hurtful and catty posts. In addition to them being false, it is slander and absurd that a parent is writing this. Obviously it's someone who is mentally ill and in need of help.

Another anonymous hero telling us what is and is not the truth in the lacrosse arena. We strong urge you to contact us with your information via e-mail - not anonymously - with the details as to what is inaccurate in this thread.

This is not just about your malicious comments. You obviously have a history with the person you keep bashing. This should not be anyones concern but your own. You keep saying "we" as if you are a spokesperson for a group. Get off your high horse and focus on your son's team instead of the one he didn't make. I, for one, are tired of reading your inaccurate and a little troubling posts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I couldn't agree more. BOTC should take charge and remove these hurtful and catty posts. In addition to them being false, it is slander and absurd that a parent is writing this. Obviously it's someone who is mentally ill and in need of help.

Another anonymous hero telling us what is and is not the truth in the lacrosse arena. We strong urge you to contact us with your information via e-mail - not anonymously - with the details as to what is inaccurate in this thread.

This is not just about your malicious comments. You obviously have a history with the person you keep bashing. This should not be anyones concern but your own. You keep saying "we" as if you are a spokesperson for a group. Get off your high horse and focus on your son's team instead of the one he didn't make. I, for one, are tired of reading your inaccurate and a little troubling posts.

Did you intend to actually quote our BOTC posting?

a "B plus team" that is consistently winning in the A division? Outlaws sound like a solid A team to me.

what difference does it make what team his son plays for?? ... he could lie, or tell the truth, no one on the BOTC would know the difference...

and yeah, I agree that the outlaws are a good B+ team... BUT far from great.
It's all just opinion anyway, dont get so defensive....

No one is saying your baby is ugly....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what difference does it make what team his son plays for?? ... he could lie, or tell the truth, no one on the BOTC would know the difference...

and yeah, I agree that the outlaws are a good B+ team... BUT far from great.
It's all just opinion anyway, dont get so defensive....

No one is saying your baby is ugly....

Who else do the Outlaws need to beat to be considered an A team in your opinion? Just curious.

I have a son on the 2018 express terps and we played the outlaws. Given the 2017 teams we have played, I consider the outlaws a true A team. Well coached and disciplined and can play with any of the others in this age bracket...

they wont beat the turtles, but no one else does either. Outlaws a solid, well coached, diciplined team.

Parents were also very good, no whining or yelling at the refs. A team in my book, not sure what Bt even means. lets face it, if any team can hang with 91, express, crabs Team LI in their age bracket they are an A team even if they dont win all their games.

Personally, I prefer all close games, even losses , to the blowouts that 2018 terps have all the time...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what difference does it make what team his son plays for?? ... he could lie, or tell the truth, no one on the BOTC would know the difference...

and yeah, I agree that the outlaws are a good B+ team... BUT far from great.
It's all just opinion anyway, dont get so defensive....

No one is saying your baby is ugly....

Who else do the Outlaws need to beat to be considered an A team in your opinion? Just curious.

My son plays for another 2017 team and we have played the Outlaws a few times. They are definitely a competitive A team IMO. They play good, fundamental lacrosse and they move the ball well. They hustle and play hard. Not the biggest, fastest or strongest to be sure, but they are a very solid team nonetheless. I would say they are in the middle of the pack as far as Long Island travel clubs go along with fl$, Jesters, etc.......

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what difference does it make what team his son plays for?? ... he could lie, or tell the truth, no one on the BOTC would know the difference...

and yeah, I agree that the outlaws are a good B+ team... BUT far from great.
It's all just opinion anyway, dont get so defensive....

No one is saying your baby is ugly....

Who else do the Outlaws need to beat to be considered an A team in your opinion? Just curious.

My son plays for another 2017 team and we have played the Outlaws a few times. They are definitely a competitive A team IMO. They play good, fundamental lacrosse and they move the ball well. They hustle and play hard. Not the biggest, fastest or strongest to be sure, but they are a very solid team nonetheless. I would say they are in the middle of the pack as far as Long Island travel clubs go along with fl$, Jesters, etc.......

I heard Outlaws are a pretty good squad. Just curious no sarcasm meant because i don't know the answer, have the Outlaws hung with or played Trueblue, Black Terps or 91? And have they played off LI against teams of the level of Crabs, Dukes, Bandits or Breakers? Thanks in advance!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what difference does it make what team his son plays for?? ... he could lie, or tell the truth, no one on the BOTC would know the difference...

and yeah, I agree that the outlaws are a good B+ team... BUT far from great.
It's all just opinion anyway, dont get so defensive....

No one is saying your baby is ugly....

Who else do the Outlaws need to beat to be considered an A team in your opinion? Just curious.

My son plays for another 2017 team and we have played the Outlaws a few times. They are definitely a competitive A team IMO. They play good, fundamental lacrosse and they move the ball well. They hustle and play hard. Not the biggest, fastest or strongest to be sure, but they are a very solid team nonetheless. I would say they are in the middle of the pack as far as Long Island travel clubs go along with fl$, Jesters, etc.......

I heard Outlaws are a pretty good squad. Just curious no sarcasm meant because i don't know the answer, have the Outlaws hung with or played Trueblue, Black Terps or 91? And have they played off LI against teams of the level of Crabs, Dukes, Bandits or Breakers? Thanks in advance!

Outlaws have played True Blue twice and lost twice: Once in the fall they lost by one and once at JDRF where they lost 5-2. Beat a 91 team by 8 or 9 in the Kings Point league but I think that was 91 Extreme which I've heard is a 2018 team.. Played Black Terps/Terps 3 times and won 2 and tied 1. Have not played the out of state teams yet except for Snipers from Florida that they beat 9-2. Both Outlaws goalies are exceptional and make up for some other deficiences.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps and Terps black both play A in tournaments, so your logic doesnt work...

Terps are playing in the B division for LI Laxfest. Most likely the black team players will be there to "help" out also.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what difference does it make what team his son plays for?? ... he could lie, or tell the truth, no one on the BOTC would know the difference...

and yeah, I agree that the outlaws are a good B+ team... BUT far from great.
It's all just opinion anyway, dont get so defensive....

No one is saying your baby is ugly....

Who else do the Outlaws need to beat to be considered an A team in your opinion? Just curious.

My son plays for another 2017 team and we have played the Outlaws a few times. They are definitely a competitive A team IMO. They play good, fundamental lacrosse and they move the ball well. They hustle and play hard. Not the biggest, fastest or strongest to be sure, but they are a very solid team nonetheless. I would say they are in the middle of the pack as far as Long Island travel clubs go along with fl$, Jesters, etc.......

I heard Outlaws are a pretty good squad. Just curious no sarcasm meant because i don't know the answer, have the Outlaws hung with or played Trueblue, Black Terps or 91? And have they played off LI against teams of the level of Crabs, Dukes, Bandits or Breakers? Thanks in advance!

Outlaws have played True Blue twice and lost twice: Once in the fall they lost by one and once at JDRF where they lost 5-2. Beat a 91 team by 8 or 9 in the Kings Point league but I think that was 91 Extreme which I've heard is a 2018 team.. Played Black Terps/Terps 3 times and won 2 and tied 1. Have not played the out of state teams yet except for Snipers from Florida that they beat 9-2. Both Outlaws goalies are exceptional and make up for some other deficiences.

Thanks for the infomation. Are you sure you played Black terps? I heard it was terps. And when you beat 91 by that many points I'm assuming they didn't have all their players? Sounds like you guys are really good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what difference does it make what team his son plays for?? ... he could lie, or tell the truth, no one on the BOTC would know the difference...

and yeah, I agree that the outlaws are a good B+ team... BUT far from great.
It's all just opinion anyway, dont get so defensive....

No one is saying your baby is ugly....

Who else do the Outlaws need to beat to be considered an A team in your opinion? Just curious.

My son plays for another 2017 team and we have played the Outlaws a few times. They are definitely a competitive A team IMO. They play good, fundamental lacrosse and they move the ball well. They hustle and play hard. Not the biggest, fastest or strongest to be sure, but they are a very solid team nonetheless. I would say they are in the middle of the pack as far as Long Island travel clubs go along with fl$, Jesters, etc.......

I heard Outlaws are a pretty good squad. Just curious no sarcasm meant because i don't know the answer, have the Outlaws hung with or played Trueblue, Black Terps or 91? And have they played off LI against teams of the level of Crabs, Dukes, Bandits or Breakers? Thanks in advance!

Outlaws have played True Blue twice and lost twice: Once in the fall they lost by one and once at JDRF where they lost 5-2. Beat a 91 team by 8 or 9 in the Kings Point league but I think that was 91 Extreme which I've heard is a 2018 team.. Played Black Terps/Terps 3 times and won 2 and tied 1. Have not played the out of state teams yet except for Snipers from Florida that they beat 9-2. Both Outlaws goalies are exceptional and make up for some other deficiences.

Thanks for the infomation. Are you sure you played Black terps? I heard it was terps. And when you beat 91 by that many points I'm assuming they didn't have all their players? Sounds like you guys are really good.

At JDRF more than 3/4 of the team's helmets said "Terps Black" on the back. Not sure how they entered themselves in the tournament.

Outlaws 2017 is a Solid A team, they aren't better than True Blue, Terps Black or 91 but they can play with them all.

The team is very well coached, and plays a disciplined game. I have seen them play a few times and they are always structured.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what difference does it make what team his son plays for?? ... he could lie, or tell the truth, no one on the BOTC would know the difference...

and yeah, I agree that the outlaws are a good B+ team... BUT far from great.
It's all just opinion anyway, dont get so defensive....

No one is saying your baby is ugly....

Who else do the Outlaws need to beat to be considered an A team in your opinion? Just curious.

My son plays for another 2017 team and we have played the Outlaws a few times. They are definitely a competitive A team IMO. They play good, fundamental lacrosse and they move the ball well. They hustle and play hard. Not the biggest, fastest or strongest to be sure, but they are a very solid team nonetheless. I would say they are in the middle of the pack as far as Long Island travel clubs go along with fl$, Jesters, etc.......

I heard Outlaws are a pretty good squad. Just curious no sarcasm meant because i don't know the answer, have the Outlaws hung with or played Trueblue, Black Terps or 91? And have they played off LI against teams of the level of Crabs, Dukes, Bandits or Breakers? Thanks in advance!

Outlaws have played True Blue twice and lost twice: Once in the fall they lost by one and once at JDRF where they lost 5-2. Beat a 91 team by 8 or 9 in the Kings Point league but I think that was 91 Extreme which I've heard is a 2018 team.. Played Black Terps/Terps 3 times and won 2 and tied 1. Have not played the out of state teams yet except for Snipers from Florida that they beat 9-2. Both Outlaws goalies are exceptional and make up for some other deficiences.

Thanks for the infomation. Are you sure you played Black terps? I heard it was terps. And when you beat 91 by that many points I'm assuming they didn't have all their players? Sounds like you guys are really good.

Outlaws did not play 2017 91 Orange

Thoughts on some of the best LI/NJ 2017 lacrosse players people have seen?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thoughts on some of the best LI/NJ 2017 lacrosse players people have seen?

Best player I have seen from NJ is #23 on Leading Edge....big strong long pole...6'2" 210 lbs, rising 9th grader..brother heading to Maryland next year...saw him play in Baltimore earlier this year...you can't miss him on the field...saw a couple big strong middies from 91 at Beach Lax this past weekend and always impressed by any of the Tenacious Turtles

u13 Team Long Island Goalie saw him play vs Crabs u15 team stoodout vs Much bigger kids not sure of name that team is mixed with 2018 and 2017 kids

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thoughts on some of the best LI/NJ 2017 lacrosse players people have seen?

Best player I have seen from NJ is #23 on Leading Edge....big strong long pole...6'2" 210 lbs, rising 9th grader..brother heading to Maryland next year...saw him play in Baltimore earlier this year...you can't miss him on the field...saw a couple big strong middies from 91 at Beach Lax this past weekend and always impressed by any of the Tenacious Turtles

Some (not all) of best kids I have seen: Laviano from Turtles, Cirella from Turtles, Pucchio and Mack from fl$, Johnson from Terps Black (believe was on Turtles), big BBL middie and big Summit middie from 3D Blue Chip Mid-Atlantic. I believe all are going to Jake Reed. Admittedly, haven't seen all teams/players especially in NJ so limited sampling.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thoughts on some of the best LI/NJ 2017 lacrosse players people have seen?

Best player I have seen from NJ is #23 on Leading Edge....big strong long pole...6'2" 210 lbs, rising 9th grader..brother heading to Maryland next year...saw him play in Baltimore earlier this year...you can't miss him on the field...saw a couple big strong middies from 91 at Beach Lax this past weekend and always impressed by any of the Tenacious Turtles

6'2 210 as a Rising 9th grader? LMAO.........just goes to show you how U15 means different things to different people. What a joke......

Having said that, I think one of the best players at the age group is the Turtles attackman whos playing Varsity in 8th grade.

Lots of talent in general on Long Island, CT and NJ at this age group. Should be a fun couple of years watching these kids turn into top college prospects......

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thoughts on some of the best LI/NJ 2017 lacrosse players people have seen?

Best player I have seen from NJ is #23 on Leading Edge....big strong long pole...6'2" 210 lbs, rising 9th grader..brother heading to Maryland next year...saw him play in Baltimore earlier this year...you can't miss him on the field...saw a couple big strong middies from 91 at Beach Lax this past weekend and always impressed by any of the Tenacious Turtles

Some (not all) of best kids I have seen: Laviano from Turtles, Cirella from Turtles, Pucchio and Mack from fl$, Johnson from Terps Black (believe was on Turtles), big BBL middie and big Summit middie from 3D Blue Chip Mid-Atlantic. I believe all are going to Jake Reed. Admittedly, haven't seen all teams/players especially in NJ so limited sampling.

Hows the weather in GC or Manhasset right now? Good gosh, hide better! But I agree all good players mentioned, many more LI boys missing.

Would like to know which game at the JDRF tourny, and at what field, that you saw 3/4 of the team wearing Terp Black helmets.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would like to know which game at the JDRF tourny, and at what field, that you saw 3/4 of the team wearing Terp Black helmets.

Would like to know myself. As I know for a FACT there were ONLY 3 true TERP BLACK players helping the Piranhas out that day.

LI Laxfest schedule is out

8th grade A bracket should be interesting. Lots of out of state teams and a few big LI clubs going head to head.

Looks like its gonna be a tough one to win

How many Terps Black were at Andy Forsberg and were playing in the championship game?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thoughts on some of the best LI/NJ 2017 lacrosse players people have seen?

Best player I have seen from NJ is #23 on Leading Edge....big strong long pole...6'2" 210 lbs, rising 9th grader..brother heading to Maryland next year...saw him play in Baltimore earlier this year...you can't miss him on the field...saw a couple big strong middies from 91 at Beach Lax this past weekend and always impressed by any of the Tenacious Turtles

Some (not all) of best kids I have seen: Laviano from Turtles, Cirella from Turtles, Pucchio and Mack from fl$, Johnson from Terps Black (believe was on Turtles), big BBL middie and big Summit middie from 3D Blue Chip Mid-Atlantic. I believe all are going to Jake Reed. Admittedly, haven't seen all teams/players especially in NJ so limited sampling.

From a NJ perspective, in addition to BBL and Summit middies mentioned above, would add Batesko from Mountain Lakes/Tri-State, huge Leading Edge kid mentioned, and Luca Tria from Patriot (going to Delbarton).

Omg!!! Give it a rest already. Here's an idea. How about you worry about your sons team and how they are doing, and stop obsessing about the Terps. They are just another lacrosse team like many others. Isn't it about time you fathers find another team to pick on... really.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would like to know which game at the JDRF tourny, and at what field, that you saw 3/4 of the team wearing Terp Black helmets.

Would like to know myself. As I know for a FACT there were ONLY 3 true TERP BLACK players helping the Piranhas out that day.

The real question is - Why are there ANY Terp Black players "helping" other teams? Are we now accepting this as status quo and its not a question any more of "if" there will be terp black players playing for other teams but "how many"? Pretty outrageous that the parents and players on the other express teams that are being "helped" are putting up with less playing time when the Marines are called in.

who cares how many terps played to help the pirahanas...
Express Pirahanas are aweful... I saw them not even get 1 shot off the entire game against a club team in the fall

Its always the same fathers complaining. Some things never change. You guys are pathetic. Is there nothing else going on in your life?

go easy...

take your medicine... then return to the forum you critisize

Anybody notice the Turtles are the only 2017 team entered into the JV division for the NYLA showcase at Farmingdale this weekend? They seem WAY ahead of everbody else in this grade on the recruiting process. I predict a Turtle (not to be confused with Terp or Terp Black) will verbally commit this summer.

2017 Terps and Black Terps are all real ballers and could play on any LI club team. As a parent, many a message has come my way inviting my son to play elsewhere. Why? There is some notion floating around about agendas and disenfranchised players and parents. What most people don't get is that the kids don't remember whether they won or lost by Wednesday of the following week. What they do care about is how they are treated, are they becoming better players and is the experience fun for them? The Terps and Black Terps are respected by each other, treated equally by their GREAT coaches, have big fun on and off the field and are all becoming better players. This set up also prepares the boys for the future. Do you think when your son gets recruited by Duke he will not have to fight for a spot daily? Think again. Will you call Danowski and whine and cry foul? How will your kid handle it? Transfer or gut it out and show character? Will he prioritize playing over love of the game, commradery and oh forgot the fact that he is getting one of the best educations on earth? Well, Express is preparing my kid for all of the above and I hope you hold your club to the same standard.

Can we rename this forum from "Boys 2017" to "Terps/Terps Black Criticism and Responses". This is so boring and has gotten downright ridiculous. Stop already.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

who cares how many terps played to help the pirahanas...
Express Pirahanas are aweful... I saw them not even get 1 shot off the entire game against a club team in the fall

The discussion is Terps Black helping Terps which many on this site claim does not happen. Lots of kids with Terps Black on the back of their helmet during the championship game vs Outlaws at JDRF. I recall two specific #s #44 and #00

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anybody notice the Turtles are the only 2017 team entered into the JV division for the NYLA showcase at Farmingdale this weekend? They seem WAY ahead of everbody else in this grade on the recruiting process. I predict a Turtle (not to be confused with Terp or Terp Black) will verbally commit this summer.

Thats great for you Turtle guys, awesome! But, they aren't the ONLY team in 2017 age doing a team recruiting event this Summer (theres one other). Before you say things like that here please be prepared before you spew incorrect info. Hint, its an EXPRESS TEAM.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Omg!!! Give it a rest already. Here's an idea. How about you worry about your sons team and how they are doing, and stop obsessing about the Terps. They are just another lacrosse team like many others. Isn't it about time you fathers find another team to pick on... really.

No obessing here but there have been many posts saying how Terps Black and Terps are totally separate teams, and that Terps Black players are way more talented than Terps, blah, blah, blah. Evidence at JDRF that they are not two separate teams by the amount of boys with Terps Black on the back of their helmet playing for Terps.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would like to know which game at the JDRF tourny, and at what field, that you saw 3/4 of the team wearing Terp Black helmets.

Would like to know myself. As I know for a FACT there were ONLY 3 true TERP BLACK players helping the Piranhas out that day.

So Mr. FACT, how many TERP Black players helping the Terps out that day? I saw at least 8 Terps Black players on Field 1 during the championship game at JDRF. Didn't notice them on the Piranhas but you could be right on that one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would like to know which game at the JDRF tourny, and at what field, that you saw 3/4 of the team wearing Terp Black helmets.

Would like to know myself. As I know for a FACT there were ONLY 3 true TERP BLACK players helping the Piranhas out that day.

So Mr. FACT, how many TERP Black players helping the Terps out that day? I saw at least 8 Terps Black players on Field 1

during the championship game at JDRF. Didn't notice them on the Piranhas but you could be right on that one.

I believe you are confusing the 2 tournaments "JDRF" Piranhas had 3 Terp Black players that only play black. At the "Forsberg Tournament" the Terp Black players in attendance always play on both teams (Terp and Terp Black)

Mr. Fact

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anybody notice the Turtles are the only 2017 team entered into the JV division for the NYLA showcase at Farmingdale this weekend? They seem WAY ahead of everbody else in this grade on the recruiting process. I predict a Turtle (not to be confused with Terp or Terp Black) will verbally commit this summer.

Thats great for you Turtle guys, awesome! But, they aren't the ONLY team in 2017 age doing a team recruiting event this Summer (theres one other). Before you say things like that here please be prepared before you spew incorrect info. Hint, its an EXPRESS TEAM.

Wow, too much coffee this morning? The poster was simply pointing out that the Turtles are the only 2017 team registered in the NYLA showcase this weekend. However on this point he was incorrect. True Blue has their A team in the NYLA showcase. The NYLA showcase is historically a very good recruiting event. If you go on their website and look at the list of college coaches attending you will understand why. At no point in the post did he say that other teams were not doing recruiting tournaments. The poster was correct in stating that the Turtles are probably way ahead of the curve as far as getting early college looks. I dont think it is a stretch to say that one of the boys on that team will be the first to verbally commit to a D1 school. So Mr. Terps Black it is duly noted that your team is going to a recruiting event this summer. Best of Luck to you and your son........

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anybody notice the Turtles are the only 2017 team entered into the JV division for the NYLA showcase at Farmingdale this weekend? They seem WAY ahead of everbody else in this grade on the recruiting process. I predict a Turtle (not to be confused with Terp or Terp Black) will verbally commit this summer.

Thats great for you Turtle guys, awesome! But, they aren't the ONLY team in 2017 age doing a team recruiting event this Summer (theres one other). Before you say things like that here please be prepared before you spew incorrect info. Hint, its an EXPRESS TEAM.

Wow, too much coffee this morning? The poster was simply pointing out that the Turtles are the only 2017 team registered in the NYLA showcase this weekend. However on this point he was incorrect. True Blue has their A team in the NYLA showcase. The NYLA showcase is historically a very good recruiting event. If you go on their website and look at the list of college coaches attending you will understand why. At no point in the post did he say that other teams were not doing recruiting tournaments. The poster was correct in stating that the Turtles are probably way ahead of the curve as far as getting early college looks. I dont think it is a stretch to say that one of the boys on that team will be the first to verbally commit to a D1 school. So Mr. Terps Black it is duly noted that your team is going to a recruiting event this summer. Best of Luck to you and your son........

Thanks but I enjoy tea, not coffee. I agree that one of the Turtle players will be the 1st 2017 commit on LI and I wasn't aware that Trueblue has there team in the NYLA event thats great for those guys also. Best of luck to you and your son also.....

You people are crazy. who cares about any of this? I hope that this is not an indication of what i have to look forward to when my son is in the 8th grade.

Why do you care who plays for what team? players move from team to team for different games and tournaments all the time. It is done at all ages at many different programs. Sometimes kids play for different teams within the same club/town and sometimes they play for a different club/town. There are times when a team is created just for a single game or tournament. Why do you people have such hatred for the express "terps/terps black". if your kid plays for one of the teams and you do not like what they do go find a different team. If you do not play for the express why do you care what they do?

Kids play for multiple teams. Kids play on town teams when they do not live in the town. kids play for multiple clubs. Kids play for town teams and club teams.

This is done all the time at all different ages with boys and girls. This in not just going on with 2017 terps.

Express, 91, HDD, Threshers, fl$, West Islip, Ward Meelville/three villiage, CSH, Syosset etc.. I have seen it done by all of them and more.

Ringers are brought in to play and to help teams win.

Stop complaining about one group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You people are crazy. who cares about any of this? I hope that this is not an indication of what i have to look forward to when my son is in the 8th grade.

Why do you care who plays for what team? players move from team to team for different games and tournaments all the time. It is done at all ages at many different programs. Sometimes kids play for different teams within the same club/town and sometimes they play for a different club/town. There are times when a team is created just for a single game or tournament. Why do you people have such hatred for the express "terps/terps black". if your kid plays for one of the teams and you do not like what they do go find a different team. If you do not play for the express why do you care what they do?

Kids play for multiple teams. Kids play on town teams when they do not live in the town. kids play for multiple clubs. Kids play for town teams and club teams.

This is done all the time at all different ages with boys and girls. This in not just going on with 2017 terps.

Express, 91, HDD, Threshers, fl$, West Islip, Ward Meelville/three villiage, CSH, Syosset etc.. I have seen it done by all of them and more.

Ringers are brought in to play and to help teams win.

Stop complaining about one group.

well said.

Big Tournament at U Delaware this weekend. The Express has their strong team entered. Lets see how they do against the Crabs and the other quality teams down there.

I just looked at the teams for the NYLA, yes the Turtles are entered, however they are going to be playing some tough older teams. I saw the Turtles play this past fall in the Skull and Bones and they had a hard time against older more physical teams. Yes they have a couple of exceptional individuals, however I think their success has been a function of the team playing together for many years. They know their plays cold that is for sure. I think they are making a big mistake by playing up in this tournament. They would be better off staying in their 2017 and dominating that for recruiting purposes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Big Tournament at U Delaware this weekend. The Express has their strong team entered. Lets see how they do against the Crabs and the other quality teams down there.

Crabs beat Gladiators and 91 Orange to win the Brine Beach lax tourney last weekend in Ocean City, MD. Not sure what the score of the Gladiator game was but I know they beat 91 Orange 5-4 in the finals. Im gonna say they are probably one of the best teams around at this age group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Big Tournament at U Delaware this weekend. The Express has their strong team entered. Lets see how they do against the Crabs and the other quality teams down there.

Crabs beat Gladiators and 91 Orange to win the Brine Beach lax tourney last weekend in Ocean City, MD. Not sure what the score of the Gladiator game was but I know they beat 91 Orange 5-4 in the finals. Im gonna say they are probably one of the best teams around at this age group.

The Crabs are very good, but I remind you the Team 91 tied a team called the Flamingos at Beach Lax. This team was a group of boys from Baltimore who went just of have fun, no coaches, no practices...It will be interesting to see how they do against real competition.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Big Tournament at U Delaware this weekend. The Express has their strong team entered. Lets see how they do against the Crabs and the other quality teams down there.

Crabs beat Gladiators and 91 Orange to win the Brine Beach lax tourney last weekend in Ocean City, MD. Not sure what the score of the Gladiator game was but I know they beat 91 Orange 5-4 in the finals. Im gonna say they are probably one of the best teams around at this age group.

The Crabs are very good, but I remind you the Team 91 tied a team called the Flamingos at Beach Lax. This team was a group of boys from Baltimore who went just of have fun, no coaches, no practices...It will be interesting to see how they do against real competition.

The Crabs have repeatedly played and beaten the top LI teams. My son is on a 2017 Long Island travel club and we have played them. They are very, very good. The Gladiators are probably the hottest travel club on Long Island and the Crabs beat them. The fact that Team 91 tied some team noone ever heard of is insignificant. 91 Orange happens to be a very good team as well. So what youre saying is that Team 91 and the Gladiators arent real competition? Sorry, I have to strongly disagree with you on that one........Wouldnt suprise me in the least if the Crabs win the whole thing in Delaware this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anybody notice the Turtles are the only 2017 team entered into the JV division for the NYLA showcase at Farmingdale this weekend? They seem WAY ahead of everbody else in this grade on the recruiting process. I predict a Turtle (not to be confused with Terp or Terp Black) will verbally commit this summer.

Thats great for you Turtle guys, awesome! But, they aren't the ONLY team in 2017 age doing a team recruiting event this Summer (theres one other). Before you say things like that here please be prepared before you spew incorrect info. Hint, its an EXPRESS TEAM.

Wow, too much coffee this morning? The poster was simply pointing out that the Turtles are the only 2017 team registered in the NYLA showcase this weekend. However on this point he was incorrect. True Blue has their A team in the NYLA showcase. The NYLA showcase is historically a very good recruiting event. If you go on their website and look at the list of college coaches attending you will understand why. At no point in the post did he say that other teams were not doing recruiting tournaments. The poster was correct in stating that the Turtles are probably way ahead of the curve as far as getting early college looks. I dont think it is a stretch to say that one of the boys on that team will be the first to verbally commit to a D1 school. So Mr. Terps Black it is duly noted that your team is going to a recruiting event this summer. Best of Luck to you and your son........

Thanks but I enjoy tea, not coffee. I agree that one of the Turtle players will be the 1st 2017 commit on LI and I wasn't aware that Trueblue has there team in the NYLA event thats great for those guys also. Best of luck to you and your son also.....

Earl Grey? Just busting chops........Somehow I have a feeling the Turtles will do very well this weekend.....

My point was, not whether 91 is a good team...the Crabs haven't been tested except for a loss vs MadLax...I look forward to seeing Crabs play LI Express Terps Black (or whatever the best team is in that program)or vs Tenacious Turtles...and to be honest the 91 team should have lost against the no name Flamingo team...unfortunately because the Flamingos had no coaching they coughed up a 2 goal lead with 3 min to play. I would like to see 91 come down and play in Baltimore

My son plays club lacrosse in Baltimore, new to the board, looking to see what this board views as the best talent on Long Island at the 2017 age group? I have seen the Turtles play down here (best I have seen) 91 is solid as is LI Express.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My point was, not whether 91 is a good team...the Crabs haven't been tested except for a loss vs MadLax...I look forward to seeing Crabs play LI Express Terps Black (or whatever the best team is in that program)or vs Tenacious Turtles...and to be honest the 91 team should have lost against the no name Flamingo team...unfortunately because the Flamingos had no coaching they coughed up a 2 goal lead with 3 min to play. I would like to see 91 come down and play in Baltimore

Im asking and don't know whats accurate. During the Fall, didn't Crabs played Express Terps Black in Long Island? Crabs won by a couple I heard. Is that correct?

I am not sure about Crabs playing LI Express in the fall...one of the LI Express teams came down and beat up on the Breakers last fall...the U15 Crabs is very different than last years U13 team (better in my opinion). The Crab tourney 7/6 will be a good baramoter, think both Express and Turtles are down here...keep 'em coming down, makes for good competition and great lacrosse

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Big Tournament at U Delaware this weekend. The Express has their strong team entered. Lets see how they do against the Crabs and the other quality teams down there.

Crabs beat Gladiators and 91 Orange to win the Brine Beach lax tourney last weekend in Ocean City, MD. Not sure what the score of the Gladiator game was but I know they beat 91 Orange 5-4 in the finals. Im gonna say they are probably one of the best teams around at this age group.

The Crabs are very good, but I remind you the Team 91 tied a team called the Flamingos at Beach Lax. This team was a group of boys from Baltimore who went just of have fun, no coaches, no practices...It will be interesting to see how they do against real competition.

The Crabs have repeatedly played and beaten the top LI teams. My son is on a 2017 Long Island travel club and we have played them. They are very, very good. The Gladiators are probably the hottest travel club on Long Island and the Crabs beat them. The fact that Team 91 tied some team noone ever heard of is insignificant. 91 Orange happens to be a very good team as well. So what youre saying is that Team 91 and the Gladiators arent real competition? Sorry, I have to strongly disagree with you on that one........Wouldnt suprise me in the least if the Crabs win the whole thing in Delaware this weekend.

They are very good for sure!! I hope their is a Crab parent or coach on here because I have a couple of questions. Why does their roster changes from Fall to Summer? I guess the parents are told that up front? They don't hide this stuff, its all on their rosters on their site so I guess thats how their club is ran.

And why in the Fall were there a couple of players that were on the 2016 roster and the u15aa roster? I think their top player was #5 middie, he's on a couple of teams for Crabs. I guess if you play against the Crabs in Fall you play a NEW Crab team in Summer?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am not sure about Crabs playing LI Express in the fall...one of the LI Express teams came down and beat up on the Breakers last fall...the U15 Crabs is very different than last years U13 team (better in my opinion). The Crab tourney 7/6 will be a good baramoter, think both Express and Turtles are down here...keep 'em coming down, makes for good competition and great lacrosse

The Crabs did indeed play the Express Terps Black this spring in the MMA league at Kings point and beat them by a few goals.

Team Long Island U13 is a 2018 team with a few 2017 players
They are too Good to play any 2018 team and just a step below the 2017 teams Terps and 91 because of their size,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team Long Island U13 is a 2018 team with a few 2017 players
They are too Good to play any 2018 team and just a step below the 2017 teams Terps and 91 because of their size,

So theyve beaten 91 Extreme 2018 and Express Terps 2018?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team Long Island U13 is a 2018 team with a few 2017 players
They are too Good to play any 2018 team and just a step below the 2017 teams Terps and 91 because of their size,

So theyve beaten 91 Extreme 2018 and Express Terps 2018?

was thinking the exact same thing. what is the answer to that question MR TLI?

TLI Doesn't play that level they play up They play rising Freshmen. Team 91 Orange just played in Maryland and Won a 11/12A division and they have 13 yr old players anything they can do to puta a championship on their website.

For some reason I get the feeling this is someone just trying to start an argument here.

My son is on the U13 TLI team and we haven't seen anyone or any parent acting so bold as the poster.

TLI is a good group of mostly 7th graders who play hard are respectful and are well coached. Can we not bring them into these negative discussions?

They have split with the 2018 terps over the winter and lost at Shamrock to 91. I think the team has improved since then but I�m sure so have the others. It seems 91 is the team to beat at 18 and TLI will give them a try but 91 would be a challenge.

They are not a big team, even with the few 8th graders they have. Realize these 8th graders are of the same age our potentially younger then the 7th grade kids, all being u13.

In OBL they played against mostly 2017 teams this spring. I think they have couple of loses this year to the Jesters 2017 (split with them) and a very large U15 Crabs team or 2017 team, not sure which one it was.

Perhaps the poster trying to stir the pot here can provide some evidence of the dominating wins the TLI had so he can prove he is really from this team.

In grade base tournaments they will probably play 2107 A and not win but compete. If they entered as 2017 B I would think they have a good chance of winning.

For age based tournament they will play U13 A and do very well.
Again, good solid team, coached well, players get equal playing time and if they come out on top, great.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TLI Doesn't play that level they play up They play rising Freshmen. Team 91 Orange just played in Maryland and Won a 11/12A division and they have 13 yr old players anything they can do to puta a championship on their website.

Terps and Terps Black are basically the same pool of players. The players are interchangeable because neither team has enough to field a full team but would have too many for one team. All the boys are basically equal in talent and it's not true that terps black make terps better. They only add depth in the heat and there are no parents complaining on either team. So lets put this discussion to bed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TLI Doesn't play that level they play up They play rising Freshmen. Team 91 Orange just played in Maryland and Won a 11/12A division and they have 13 yr old players anything they can do to puta a championship on their website.

I think your on the wrong thread.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You people are crazy. who cares about any of this? I hope that this is not an indication of what i have to look forward to when my son is in the 8th grade.

Why do you care who plays for what team? players move from team to team for different games and tournaments all the time. It is done at all ages at many different programs. Sometimes kids play for different teams within the same club/town and sometimes they play for a different club/town. There are times when a team is created just for a single game or tournament. Why do you people have such hatred for the express "terps/terps black". if your kid plays for one of the teams and you do not like what they do go find a different team. If you do not play for the express why do you care what they do?

Kids play for multiple teams. Kids play on town teams when they do not live in the town. kids play for multiple clubs. Kids play for town teams and club teams.

This is done all the time at all different ages with boys and girls. This in not just going on with 2017 terps.

Express, 91, HDD, Threshers, fl$, West Islip, Ward Meelville/three villiage, CSH, Syosset etc.. I have seen it done by all of them and more.

Ringers are brought in to play and to help teams win.

Stop complaining about one group.

well said.

Really? Well said? This is now just acceptable? It has NEVER happened on any one of my sons teams through the years (Town or Travel) & I would never have my son stay on a team where it has become common place &/or acceptable! Adults coming on here justifying it is disgraceful!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 Terps and Black Terps are all real ballers and could play on any LI club team. As a parent, many a message has come my way inviting my son to play elsewhere. Why? There is some notion floating around about agendas and disenfranchised players and parents. What most people don't get is that the kids don't remember whether they won or lost by Wednesday of the following week. What they do care about is how they are treated, are they becoming better players and is the experience fun for them? The Terps and Black Terps are respected by each other, treated equally by their GREAT coaches, have big fun on and off the field and are all becoming better players. This set up also prepares the boys for the future. Do you think when your son gets recruited by Duke he will not have to fight for a spot daily? Think again. Will you call Danowski and whine and cry foul? How will your kid handle it? Transfer or gut it out and show character? Will he prioritize playing over love of the game, commradery and oh forgot the fact that he is getting one of the best educations on earth? Well, Express is preparing my kid for all of the above and I hope you hold your club to the same standard.

I call BS!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My point was, not whether 91 is a good team...the Crabs haven't been tested except for a loss vs MadLax...I look forward to seeing Crabs play LI Express Terps Black (or whatever the best team is in that program)or vs Tenacious Turtles...and to be honest the 91 team should have lost against the no name Flamingo team...unfortunately because the Flamingos had no coaching they coughed up a 2 goal lead with 3 min to play. I would like to see 91 come down and play in Baltimore

"to be honest they should have lost"? What does that mean? Perhaps you could have said "91 wasn't playing well & came out to a slow start but, actually pulled it out in the end" I believe the same Flamingos lost 6-5 to another team that 91 beat (handedly) the following day. Again, people "Any given Sunday"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I just looked at the teams for the NYLA, yes the Turtles are entered, however they are going to be playing some tough older teams. I saw the Turtles play this past fall in the Skull and Bones and they had a hard time against older more physical teams. Yes they have a couple of exceptional individuals, however I think their success has been a function of the team playing together for many years. They know their plays cold that is for sure. I think they are making a big mistake by playing up in this tournament. They would be better off staying in their 2017 and dominating that for recruiting purposes.

College coaches don't keep score at recruiting tournaments, they could care less. They are watching things you aren't!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I just looked at the teams for the NYLA, yes the Turtles are entered, however they are going to be playing some tough older teams. I saw the Turtles play this past fall in the Skull and Bones and they had a hard time against older more physical teams. Yes they have a couple of exceptional individuals, however I think their success has been a function of the team playing together for many years. They know their plays cold that is for sure. I think they are making a big mistake by playing up in this tournament. They would be better off staying in their 2017 and dominating that for recruiting purposes.

College coaches don't keep score at recruiting tournaments, they could care less. They are watching things you aren't!!

Like what?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 Terps and Black Terps are all real ballers and could play on any LI club team. As a parent, many a message has come my way inviting my son to play elsewhere. Why? There is some notion floating around about agendas and disenfranchised players and parents. What most people don't get is that the kids don't remember whether they won or lost by Wednesday of the following week. What they do care about is how they are treated, are they becoming better players and is the experience fun for them? The Terps and Black Terps are respected by each other, treated equally by their GREAT coaches, have big fun on and off the field and are all becoming better players. This set up also prepares the boys for the future. Do you think when your son gets recruited by Duke he will not have to fight for a spot daily? Think again. Will you call Danowski and whine and cry foul? How will your kid handle it? Transfer or gut it out and show character? Will he prioritize playing over love of the game, commradery and oh forgot the fact that he is getting one of the best educations on earth? Well, Express is preparing my kid for all of the above and I hope you hold your club to the same standard.

Seriously? There is "respect", "Commradery", "Equal treatment" among the Terps/Terps Black? Have you been reading the posts back of forth from the parents? Your son may be a great lacrosse player in the end of all of this but please dont tell us what Express has done with this team has anything to do with their high "Standards".

True Blue is a team that can play with anyone if they stay away from undesicipled penalties - they will see the crabs at least 2x ... Will be interesting....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You people are crazy. who cares about any of this? I hope that this is not an indication of what i have to look forward to when my son is in the 8th grade.

Why do you care who plays for what team? players move from team to team for different games and tournaments all the time. It is done at all ages at many different programs. Sometimes kids play for different teams within the same club/town and sometimes they play for a different club/town. There are times when a team is created just for a single game or tournament. Why do you people have such hatred for the express "terps/terps black". if your kid plays for one of the teams and you do not like what they do go find a different team. If you do not play for the express why do you care what they do?

Kids play for multiple teams. Kids play on town teams when they do not live in the town. kids play for multiple clubs. Kids play for town teams and club teams.

This is done all the time at all different ages with boys and girls. This in not just going on with 2017 terps.

Express, 91, HDD, Threshers, fl$, West Islip, Ward Meelville/three villiage, CSH, Syosset etc.. I have seen it done by all of them and more.

Ringers are brought in to play and to help teams win.

Stop complaining about one group.

well said.

Really? Well said? This is now just acceptable? It has NEVER happened on any one of my sons teams through the years (Town or Travel) & I would never have my son stay on a team where it has become common place &/or acceptable! Adults coming on here justifying it is disgraceful!

I was not justifying it, i was pointing out that it is done all the time by many teams, towns and clubs. I do not understand why some on here choose to hate one team and constantly attack that team.

If you do not like what a club, town or team does than don't play for them. If you are not affiliated with them then why care about how they do things.

"You people are crazy" was my point, not that the behavior was acceptable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 Terps and Black Terps are all real ballers and could play on any LI club team. As a parent, many a message has come my way inviting my son to play elsewhere. Why? There is some notion floating around about agendas and disenfranchised players and parents. What most people don't get is that the kids don't remember whether they won or lost by Wednesday of the following week. What they do care about is how they are treated, are they becoming better players and is the experience fun for them? The Terps and Black Terps are respected by each other, treated equally by their GREAT coaches, have big fun on and off the field and are all becoming better players. This set up also prepares the boys for the future. Do you think when your son gets recruited by Duke he will not have to fight for a spot daily? Think again. Will you call Danowski and whine and cry foul? How will your kid handle it? Transfer or gut it out and show character? Will he prioritize playing over love of the game, commradery and oh forgot the fact that he is getting one of the best educations on earth? Well, Express is preparing my kid for all of the above and I hope you hold your club to the same standard.

Seriously? There is "respect", "Commradery", "Equal treatment" among the Terps/Terps Black? Have you been reading the posts back of forth from the parents? Your son may be a great lacrosse player in the end of all of this but please dont tell us what Express has done with this team has anything to do with their high "Standards".

YOU have obviously not read the past posts. I couldn't find one from a black parent that was dissatisfied with their son's situation. So I am in total agreement with the previous poster. My son is on that team to learn and become the best player he can be which happens to have some great coaches. And make no mistake, he is competing for his spot every single time he takes the field. Perhaps not an atmosphere meant for everyone.

College coaches recruit by graduation year, that is why it better to stay in your own year and not play up in a club setting. There is maybe one kid on Turtles who will be an early recruit. The rest are certainly good , but certainly haven't proven their ability against the better Long Island kids in a showcase type setting

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I just looked at the teams for the NYLA, yes the Turtles are entered, however they are going to be playing some tough older teams. I saw the Turtles play this past fall in the Skull and Bones and they had a hard time against older more physical teams. Yes they have a couple of exceptional individuals, however I think their success has been a function of the team playing together for many years. They know their plays cold that is for sure. I think they are making a big mistake by playing up in this tournament. They would be better off staying in their 2017 and dominating that for recruiting purposes.

College coaches don't keep score at recruiting tournaments, they could care less. They are watching things you aren't!!

And I doubt they will be watching 8th graders play!!

The age of the boys in a Maryland 11/12 or Tykers division is exactly the same as the US Lacrosse U13 division. Boys born on or after Septenber 1, 1999. This would be the appropriate division for most LI 6th and 7th graders and the younger 8th. If they had played up in Maryland 13/14 (US Lacrosse U15)they would have been playing against kids that could be 2-2.5 years older than a typical LI 7th grader. The Terps played in the bracket where they belonged.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TLI Doesn't play that level they play up They play rising Freshmen. Team 91 Orange just played in Maryland and Won a 11/12A division and they have 13 yr old players anything they can do to puta a championship on their website.

Why do you care who plays for what team? players move from team to team for different games and tournaments all the time. It is done at all ages at many different programs. Sometimes kids play for different teams within the same club/town and sometimes they play for a different club/town. There are times when a team is created just for a single game or tournament. Why do you people have such hatred for the express "terps/terps black". if your kid plays for one of the teams and you do not like what they do go find a different team. If you do not play for the express why do you care what they do?

Kids play for multiple teams. Kids play on town teams when they do not live in the town. kids play for multiple clubs. Kids play for town teams and club teams.

This is done all the time at all different ages with boys and girls. This in not just going on with 2017 terps.

Express, 91, HDD, Threshers, fl$, West Islip, Ward Meelville/three villiage, CSH, Syosset etc.. I have seen it done by all of them and more.

Ringers are brought in to play and to help teams win.

Stop complaining about one group.

[/quote]

well said. [/quote]

Really? Well said? This is now just acceptable? It has NEVER happened on any one of my sons teams through the years (Town or Travel) & I would never have my son stay on a team where it has become common place &/or acceptable! Adults coming on here justifying it is disgraceful! [/quote]

I was not justifying it, i was pointing out that it is done all the time by many teams, towns and clubs. I do not understand why some on here choose to hate one team and constantly attack that team.

If you do not like what a club, town or team does than don't play for them. If you are not affiliated with them then why care about how they do things.

"You people are crazy" was my point, not that the behavior was acceptable. [/quote]

It becomes an issue when Express parents say "You didn't beat Terps Black, the othere Terps are not as good so no big deal" and "they are completely separat teams" which they obiously are not. It is a great way for Express faithful when they win to say it was Terps Black and when they lose to say it was the Regular Terps despite the boys with Terps Black helmets on the field with Regular Terps.

Meant to say 91 played in appropriate bracket

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The age of the boys in a Maryland 11/12 or Tykers division is exactly the same as the US Lacrosse U13 division. Boys born on or after Septenber 1, 1999. This would be the appropriate division for most LI 6th and 7th graders and the younger 8th. If they had played up in Maryland 13/14 (US Lacrosse U15)they would have been playing against kids that could be 2-2.5 years older than a typical LI 7th grader. The Terps played in the bracket where they belonged.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TLI Doesn't play that level they play up They play rising Freshmen. Team 91 Orange just played in Maryland and Won a 11/12A division and they have 13 yr old players anything they can do to puta a championship on their website.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I just looked at the teams for the NYLA, yes the Turtles are entered, however they are going to be playing some tough older teams. I saw the Turtles play this past fall in the Skull and Bones and they had a hard time against older more physical teams. Yes they have a couple of exceptional individuals, however I think their success has been a function of the team playing together for many years. They know their plays cold that is for sure. I think they are making a big mistake by playing up in this tournament. They would be better off staying in their 2017 and dominating that for recruiting purposes.

College coaches don't keep score at recruiting tournaments, they could care less. They are watching things you aren't!!

And I doubt they will be watching 8th graders play!!

Pretty sure the Turtles are enrolled for the experience of a showcase setting rather than hoping for looks. Its obvious by threads like this that bring attention to teams like the turtles, 91, fl$, Crabs, Breakers and express that have a college coaches attention. When these teams play, scouts show up...you never know who's looking.

I wonder where we would have finished if youth lacrosse was included in this study?

Study by Harvard sociologist says youth hockey parents are the craziest

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I wonder where we would have finished if youth lacrosse was included in this study?

Study by Harvard sociologist says youth hockey parents are the craziest

Were you aware that we are currently developing another site for the youth sports market : Back of THE RINK, www.backoftherink.com ?

Oh, that ought to be good... I'm sure the Hockey Parents are a stable bunch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why do you care who plays for what team? players move from team to team for different games and tournaments all the time. It is done at all ages at many different programs. Sometimes kids play for different teams within the same club/town and sometimes they play for a different club/town. There are times when a team is created just for a single game or tournament. Why do you people have such hatred for the express "terps/terps black". if your kid plays for one of the teams and you do not like what they do go find a different team. If you do not play for the express why do you care what they do?

Kids play for multiple teams. Kids play on town teams when they do not live in the town. kids play for multiple clubs. Kids play for town teams and club teams.

This is done all the time at all different ages with boys and girls. This in not just going on with 2017 terps.

Express, 91, HDD, Threshers, fl$, West Islip, Ward Meelville/three villiage, CSH, Syosset etc.. I have seen it done by all of them and more.

Ringers are brought in to play and to help teams win.

Stop complaining about one group.

well said. [/quote]

Really? Well said? This is now just acceptable? It has NEVER happened on any one of my sons teams through the years (Town or Travel) & I would never have my son stay on a team where it has become common place &/or acceptable! Adults coming on here justifying it is disgraceful! [/quote]

I was not justifying it, i was pointing out that it is done all the time by many teams, towns and clubs. I do not understand why some on here choose to hate one team and constantly attack that team.

If you do not like what a club, town or team does than don't play for them. If you are not affiliated with them then why care about how they do things.

"You people are crazy" was my point, not that the behavior was acceptable. [/quote]

It becomes an issue when Express parents say "You didn't beat Terps Black, the othere Terps are not as good so no big deal" and "they are completely separat teams" which they obiously are not. It is a great way for Express faithful when they win to say it was Terps Black and when they lose to say it was the Regular Terps despite the boys with Terps Black helmets on the field with Regular Terps. [/quote]

I will say it again, "you people are crazy" it is only an issue in your mind. Who cares what the Parents say. It is not an issue unless you make it one. Should the Express go by a different name when they mix teams? I have seen other clubs enter a team under a different name if the are missing some of their key players. I can only assume they do it because they do not want the crazy parents to be upset if their team does not win.

Our team plays with who is available on game day. We have lost games while missing several key players but we do not change our name nor do we bring in players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I just looked at the teams for the NYLA, yes the Turtles are entered, however they are going to be playing some tough older teams. I saw the Turtles play this past fall in the Skull and Bones and they had a hard time against older more physical teams. Yes they have a couple of exceptional individuals, however I think their success has been a function of the team playing together for many years. They know their plays cold that is for sure. I think they are making a big mistake by playing up in this tournament. They would be better off staying in their 2017 and dominating that for recruiting purposes.

College coaches don't keep score at recruiting tournaments, they could care less. They are watching things you aren't!!

And I doubt they will be watching 8th graders play!!

You are wrong about that. Not saying you will see a significant # of commitments from rising freshman over the next 12 months, but there will be a few. More importantly, coaches are already trying to figure out who they should focus on over the next year or two, and they start now. Guarantee there will be coaches at the Jake Reed rising freshmen camp, in fact several schools have already invited a number of these kids to "Top Prospect Camps" so they can see them up close and person. Again, not saying it will result in offers yet, but the process is definitely beginning for the rising freshmen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I wonder where we would have finished if youth lacrosse was included in this study?

Study by Harvard sociologist says youth hockey parents are the craziest

It's all subjective. Hockey parents may be "crazier" due to the more physical nature of the sport. Who knows for sure? One thing is certain, "crazy" parenting is a cultural phenomenon of the time we live in and not related to any specific activity. Just ask any educator, dance teacher, etc., etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I wonder where we would have finished if youth lacrosse was included in this study?

Study by Harvard sociologist says youth hockey parents are the craziest

It's all subjective. Hockey parents may be "crazier" due to the more physical nature of the sport. Who knows for sure? One thing is certain, "crazy" parenting is a cultural phenomenon of the time we live in and not related to any specific activity. Just ask any educator, dance teacher, etc., etc.

Damn, I'm screwed then as a lax and hockey parent!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I just looked at the teams for the NYLA, yes the Turtles are entered, however they are going to be playing some tough older teams. I saw the Turtles play this past fall in the Skull and Bones and they had a hard time against older more physical teams. Yes they have a couple of exceptional individuals, however I think their success has been a function of the team playing together for many years. They know their plays cold that is for sure. I think they are making a big mistake by playing up in this tournament. They would be better off staying in their 2017 and dominating that for recruiting purposes.

College coaches don't keep score at recruiting tournaments, they could care less. They are watching things you aren't!!

And I doubt they will be watching 8th graders play!!

Pretty sure the Turtles are enrolled for the experience of a showcase setting rather than hoping for looks. Its obvious by threads like this that bring attention to teams like the turtles, 91, fl$, Crabs, Breakers and express that have a college coaches attention. When these teams play, scouts show up...you never know who's looking.

The Turtles are going to NYLA not just to get experience but to win and hopefully embarass a few older teams. If they can do that, it will surely put many of those boys on the "recruiting board". And I bet the turtles will have the biggest crowds of any games just because of the curiosity factor from coaches and parents. The buzz about the Turtles will be deafening by game time tomorrow. If you haven't seen them play and you'll be at NYLA, stop by and be amazed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Turtles are going to NYLA not just to get experience but to win and hopefully embarass a few older teams. If they can do that, it will surely put many of those boys on the "recruiting board". And I bet the turtles will have the biggest crowds of any games just because of the curiosity factor from coaches and parents. The buzz about the Turtles will be deafening by game time tomorrow. If you haven't seen them play and you'll be at NYLA, stop by and be amazed.

BOTC would like to offer a thought on this post. Perhaps we are taking the words too literally, but heading into summer tournament months, some words of advice.

The very best youth teams - lacrosse, soccer, baseball, softball, basketball, football - are noteworthy for their skills, their work ethic, and the teamwork.

These three combine to create winning records, great competitive moments, and occasionally championships.

These three further combine to open doors to opportunities both at the scholastic and collegiate levels.

Recruiting opportunities come after all of these other elements from bottom to top are in place.

Truly great teams never compete to embarrass an opponent. Truly great teams are not playing for the audience attracted, but for themselves and their teammates. Truly great teams push themselves from inside the organization, not from an external stimulus.

Think about it.

I never understood all of the hate for the Tenacious Turtles on this site. If you watch them play it's a very good brand of lax. The ball rarely hits the floor and when it does they almost always come up with the ground ball. I've had my 2017 son watch there games a few times to see the level of play that he is striving to get to.

Stop already. Great TEAM. No denying it. The best 2017 team. But you all sound pathetic as if every one of the Turtle players have the only 20 or so Division 1 spots and that it is over for everyone else. That is just ridiculous. There are plenty of players as good they are just not all on the same team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I never understood all of the hate for the Tenacious Turtles on this site. If you watch them play it's a very good brand of lax. The ball rarely hits the floor and when it does they almost always come up with the ground ball. I've had my 2017 son watch there games a few times to see the level of play that he is striving to get to.

Smart dad. Not hate, admiration. #chosenones

I agree, the Turtles came down to Baltimore last summer and brought a great brand of lacrosse. They run a first class program that most clubs strive to emulate. I look forward to seeing them play again this summer

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I never understood all of the hate for the Tenacious Turtles on this site. If you watch them play it's a very good brand of lax. The ball rarely hits the floor and when it does they almost always come up with the ground ball. I've had my 2017 son watch there games a few times to see the level of play that he is striving to get to.

Smart dad. Not hate, admiration. #chosenones

Admiration...and respect. Can somebody from the Turtles confirm (or not) that the team will be playing in the U15 tournament in Florida? There seems to be some buzz about that as well but not sure if its legit. Thx.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I never understood all of the hate for the Tenacious Turtles on this site. If you watch them play it's a very good brand of lax. The ball rarely hits the floor and when it does they almost always come up with the ground ball. I've had my 2017 son watch there games a few times to see the level of play that he is striving to get to.

Smart dad. Not hate, admiration. #chosenones

Think maybe all you guys will still get recruited next year or even commit?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I never understood all of the hate for the Tenacious Turtles on this site. If you watch them play it's a very good brand of lax. The ball rarely hits the floor and when it does they almost always come up with the ground ball. I've had my 2017 son watch there games a few times to see the level of play that he is striving to get to.

Smart dad. Not hate, admiration. #chosenones

Think maybe all you guys will still get recruited next year or even commit?

Definately not because they'll all be committed after NYLA this weekend. There'll also be a turtles tent where they'll be signing autographed pictures...to give to the college coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Definately not because they'll all be committed after NYLA this weekend. There'll also be a turtles tent where they'll be signing autographed pictures...to give to the college coaches.

Although humorous, can we please put a pin in this discussion?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I never understood all of the hate for the Tenacious Turtles on this site. If you watch them play it's a very good brand of lax. The ball rarely hits the floor and when it does they almost always come up with the ground ball. I've had my 2017 son watch there games a few times to see the level of play that he is striving to get to.

Smart dad. Not hate, admiration. #chosenones

Admiration...and respect. Can somebody from the Turtles confirm (or not) that the team will be playing in the U15 tournament in Florida? There seems to be some buzz about that as well but not sure if its legit. Thx.

#chosenones confirmed for U15 Championship tourney in Florida - gonna shock the world.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I never understood all of the hate for the Tenacious Turtles on this site. If you watch them play it's a very good brand of lax. The ball rarely hits the floor and when it does they almost always come up with the ground ball. I've had my 2017 son watch there games a few times to see the level of play that he is striving to get to.

Smart dad. Not hate, admiration. #chosenones

Admiration...and respect. Can somebody from the Turtles confirm (or not) that the team will be playing in the U15 tournament in Florida? There seems to be some buzz about that as well but not sure if its legit. Thx.

#chosenones confirmed for U15 Championship tourney in Florida - gonna shock the world.

Now this is funny. There will be a lot of great teams in Florida. The turtles playing ability is fun to watch but they can't play with the top 2016 teams. Look at there schedule this weekend they are all b teams. The parents and coaches also make it easy for everyone to dislike this team. In Florida your coach will have to play all your games and the barracudas will be waiting for you

Really, are you kidding? where is the request for a pin concerning the Terps/Terps diatribe?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really, are you kidding? where is the request for a pin concerning the Terps/Terps diatribe?

The difference is that we have already removed posts naming specific players from our hard shelled friends. The conversation was going down a negative path; hence, BOTC jumped into the discussion.

Took a stab at rating the top 10 LI lax teams for 2017. Remember you have to play each other and win to truly know who is better. No excuses! Open for discussion. This should be fun.

1. Turtles.
2. Terps black.
3. True Blue
4. Gladiators
5. 91 Orange.
6. Outlaws Black.
7. Garden City 17
8. Jesters Black.
9. Terps.
10. fl$

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Took a stab at rating the top 10 LI lax teams for 2017. Remember you have to play each other and win to truly know who is better. No excuses! Open for discussion. This should be fun.

1. Turtles.
2. Terps black.
3. True Blue
4. Gladiators
5. 91 Orange.
6. Outlaws Black.
7. Garden City 17
8. Jesters Black.
9. Terps.
10. fl$

About as fair and accurate a list as Ive seen. My sons team is probably exactly where it should be. Only issue I have is that the Gladiators beat Terps Black in the OBLL so those two should switch positions.

Jesters Black and Outlaws have played twice and tied twice so that's a wash.

Nice job, hopefully everyone will be as fair an honest in their replies.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I never understood all of the hate for the Tenacious Turtles on this site. If you watch them play it's a very good brand of lax. The ball rarely hits the floor and when it does they almost always come up with the ground ball. I've had my 2017 son watch there games a few times to see the level of play that he is striving to get to.

Smart dad. Not hate, admiration. #chosenones

Admiration...and respect. Can somebody from the Turtles confirm (or not) that the team will be playing in the U15 tournament in Florida? There seems to be some buzz about that as well but not sure if its legit. Thx.

#chosenones confirmed for U15 Championship tourney in Florida - gonna shock the world.

Now this is funny. There will be a lot of great teams in Florida. The turtles playing ability is fun to watch but they can't play with the top 2016 teams. Look at there schedule this weekend they are all b teams. The parents and coaches also make it easy for everyone to dislike this team. In Florida your coach will have to play all your games and the barracudas will be waiting for you

The Barracudas won't be waiting for anybody because they'll be out by the time the Turtles can get to them.

Anybody see how the Turtles did today? I heard they lost their first game by a goal.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I never understood all of the hate for the Tenacious Turtles on this site. If you watch them play it's a very good brand of lax. The ball rarely hits the floor and when it does they almost always come up with the ground ball. I've had my 2017 son watch there games a few times to see the level of play that he is striving to get to.

Smart dad. Not hate, admiration. #chosenones

Admiration...and respect. Can somebody from the Turtles confirm (or not) that the team will be playing in the U15 tournament in Florida? There seems to be some buzz about that as well but not sure if its legit. Thx.

#chosenones confirmed for U15 Championship tourney in Florida - gonna shock the world.

Now this is funny. There will be a lot of great teams in Florida. The turtles playing ability is fun to watch but they can't play with the top 2016 teams. Look at there schedule this weekend they are all b teams. The parents and coaches also make it easy for everyone to dislike this team. In Florida your coach will have to play all your games and the barracudas will be waiting for you

The Barracudas won't be waiting for anybody because they'll be out by the time the Turtles can get to them.

Pretty arrogant from a team who can't beat them. Learn to beat the b teams first before you throw your hats in the ring with the big boys. You ran your mouth about good teams that will play down in Florida but you lose to a good b division team. The counseling sessions for the parents must have hit 50,000.00 today

The reason why everyone hates on the baby
Turtles is cause their parents use terms like
Chosen ones . Are you kidding me? This might
Be the best they ever get in lacrosse. Seen plenty
Of 8th graders who were good but never turned
Out to be anything once they hit 11th. Their
Parents make it tough to like them. Keep ducking
The completion and calling yourselves the best.
Baby turtles!!!!!!!!

it's scary how everyone treats the comments on this board as scripture. people are on here stirring it up any you are all falling for it. All the kids are just trying to get better, nothing more nothing less.

Toitles, victor lacrosse says hello

Can people posting here please learn the difference between "there" and "their"? Just saying....

Where do the Jersey 2017 Teams fit into this ranking?

Team 91 2017 Orange won Lehigh Laxfest yesterday!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 2017 Orange won Lehigh Laxfest yesterday!

Long Island represented proudly yesterday for 2017 at Lehigh.
91 orange won the A division
Millon Force lost in semi's of B division
LI Pride lost in OT of championship game in C division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 2017 Orange won Lehigh Laxfest yesterday!

Do you know who they played in the final and what the score was?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where do the Jersey 2017 Teams fit into this ranking?

Two Jersey teams are doing very well at the fl$ tourney this weekend. BBL and Patriot are both in the semifinals today.

Patriot vs Jesters 2017 Black at 1:00
BBL Black vs Primetime 2017 at 1:00

Very impressed with both Jersey teams.

fl$ beat Jesters by two goals though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

fl$ beat Jesters by two goals though.

Ok and Jesters beat GC and GC beat fl$ and they all beat the Piranhas

I would take that up with the tournament organizers......

I would move fl$ all the way up to the 5th spot and shift the rest down (no my son is not on fl$). There's no doubt the Turtles are a top team but until they start playing the other teams you have to leave them off the list entirely. Most of the other teams have played each other so you can try and rank them as such.

New Ranking of the top 10 LI lax teams for 2017. Remember you have to play each other and win to truly know who is better. No excuses! To get on this list you need to beat one of the top 10 teams. All in fun and good competition. No politics! involved.

1. Turtles.
2. Terps black.
3. True Blue
4. Gladiators
5. 91 Orange.
6. Outlaws Black.
7. fl$
8. Jesters Black.
9. Garden City 17
10.Terps.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New Ranking of the top 10 LI lax teams for 2017. Remember you have to play each other and win to truly know who is better. No excuses! To get on this list you need to beat one of the top 10 teams. All in fun and good competition. No politics! involved.

1. Turtles.
2. Terps black.
3. True Blue
4. Gladiators
5. 91 Orange.
6. Outlaws Black.
7. fl$
8. Jesters Black.
9. Garden City 17
10.Terps.

Move fl$ to 9 and GC to 10. 91 to 4, gladiators 5, jesters 6, outlaws 7, Terps 8

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New Ranking of the top 10 LI lax teams for 2017. Remember you have to play each other and win to truly know who is better. No excuses! To get on this list you need to beat one of the top 10 teams. All in fun and good competition. No politics! involved.

1. Turtles.
2. Terps black.
3. True Blue
4. Gladiators
5. 91 Orange.
6. Outlaws Black.
7. fl$
8. Jesters Black.
9. Garden City 17
10.Terps.

No offense meant but Outlaws Black and Silver played in a NJ town team tournament and both were not that good. Lost to NJ town teams. Summit, NJ won the tournament. I can't imagine they should be 6th above.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New Ranking of the top 10 LI lax teams for 2017. Remember you have to play each other and win to truly know who is better. No excuses! To get on this list you need to beat one of the top 10 teams. All in fun and good competition. No politics! involved.

1. Turtles.
2. Terps black.
3. True Blue
4. Gladiators
5. 91 Orange.
6. Outlaws Black.
7. fl$
8. Jesters Black.
9. Garden City 17
10.Terps.

Move fl$ to 9 and GC to 10. 91 to 4, gladiators 5, jesters 6, outlaws 7, Terps 8

I would put Jesters as 7, fl$ as the 9, GC as the 8, and Terps 10

Are you basing these rankings on talent or wins and loses. My sons team has played fl$ twice this year. Their best 7-9 players are as talented as most of the teams that are on your list. Their best can run with anyone. They play everyone equally which definetly results in more losses.

the Gladiators beat Terps Black so move them up.

as of now, True blue Solid 2nd... they have too much size, speed and depth.
I would love to see turtles vs TB.

Long Island lacrosse isn't nearly as good as long Islanders think it is.
after the top 3-4 LI Team 2017, there is a sharp talent drop off, then the next 6-10 are just average.

Patriot Lacrosse 2017 beat BBL Black in the finals of the fl$ lax tournament today. Well played game by two very good teams. fl$ tourney was very competitive at the 2017 age group, despite 4 or 5 lower B teams in the tourney. There were 6-7 quality teams at the 2017 A level playing very good lacrosse. Very good tournament overall......

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Long Island lacrosse isn't nearly as good as long Islanders think it is.
after the top 3-4 LI Team 2017, there is a sharp talent drop off, then the next 6-10 are just average.

Says who? Long Island Lacrosse is the best in the world hands down. There are very competitive teams throughout the age group. Any of those teams ranked 1-10 of the Long Island 2017 club teams can compete with anyone in the country.

Wake up Joisey boy. There are maybe 3 or 4 good NJ teams. Long Island is tops for talent in 2017. Take a trip to the Brine All-star classic and watch for yourself

Did terps black lose 3 out 5 this weekend? If that is the case, then putting them at #2 is a gross over rating. Unfortunately the results on the field are just not that great.

They have too many losses at this time to be considered anything other than just a solid middle of the pack team.

who else on the list has TB played?

Ok so here is the reasoning behind the rankings. Jesters lost to fl$ and beat GC. So fl$ is ranked higher then Jesters and GC. Talent is great to have but if you don�t play well as a team you will not win as often or as easily as you should. You don�t have to have the best talent to be the best team. You just have to win. Gladiators have not been playing well as of late and played the Terps close in Maryland. Played fl$ close and lost in the fl$ tournament. Terps Black just played down in Delaware and played some of the toughest competition in the country. They did real well. And know my son is not on the Terps Black team. If you win you move up, if you lose you move down. No excuses!! Just my thoughts on why I ranked them they way they are. Also if someone loses to a team not ranked then you will be removed and that team will take your spot. Very simple.

1. Turtles.
2. Terps black.
3. True Blue
4. Gladiators
5. 91 Orange.
6. Outlaws Black.
7. fl$
8. Jesters Black.
9. Garden City 17
10.Terps.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Long Island lacrosse isn't nearly as good as long Islanders think it is.
after the top 3-4 LI Team 2017, there is a sharp talent drop off, then the next 6-10 are just average.

What I've noticed about Long Island lacrosse is that when our B and C teams play in out of state tournaments they do GREAT. Other states have a few really good teams but after those teams the talent is non existent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wake up Joisey boy. There are maybe 3 or 4 good NJ teams. Long Island is tops for talent in 2017. Take a trip to the Brine All-star classic and watch for yourself

So, how did the Turtles do at NYLA?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wake up Joisey boy. There are maybe 3 or 4 good NJ teams. Long Island is tops for talent in 2017. Take a trip to the Brine All-star classic and watch for yourself

Unfortunately in NJ the Brine National Classic hasn't quite caught up yet to LI in terms of all of the best kids trying out. Many kids didn't even know about it. 5-6 NJ kids on the Brine team going to Jake Reed, but the team will be decent not great. I know most if not all of the best LI 2017s tried out. Not an exclude, just hasn't fully caught on yet in NJ.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Long Island lacrosse isn't nearly as good as long Islanders think it is.
after the top 3-4 LI Team 2017, there is a sharp talent drop off, then the next 6-10 are just average.

Says who? Long Island Lacrosse is the best in the world hands down. There are very competitive teams throughout the age group. Any of those teams ranked 1-10 of the Long Island 2017 club teams can compete with anyone in the country.

True probably for the first 3-4 teams, but definitely not true after that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok so here is the reasoning behind the rankings. Jesters lost to fl$ and beat GC. So fl$ is ranked higher then Jesters and GC. Talent is great to have but if you don�t play well as a team you will not win as often or as easily as you should. You don�t have to have the best talent to be the best team. You just have to win. Gladiators have not been playing well as of late and played the Terps close in Maryland. Played fl$ close and lost in the fl$ tournament. Terps Black just played down in Delaware and played some of the toughest competition in the country. They did real well. And know my son is not on the Terps Black team. If you win you move up, if you lose you move down. No excuses!! Just my thoughts on why I ranked them they way they are. Also if someone loses to a team not ranked then you will be removed and that team will take your spot. Very simple.

1. Turtles.
2. Terps black.
3. True Blue
4. Gladiators
5. 91 Orange.
6. Outlaws Black.
7. fl$
8. Jesters Black.
9. Garden City 17
10.Terps.

No horse in this race, but seems to be a fair ranking.

What happened to Terps Black at MVP tournament in Delaware? Did they play up? If not, looks like they had a few losses this weekend to teams not named Crabs.

Why Gladiators above 91 orange?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok so here is the reasoning behind the rankings. Jesters lost to fl$ and beat GC. So fl$ is ranked higher then Jesters and GC. Talent is great to have but if you don�t play well as a team you will not win as often or as easily as you should. You don�t have to have the best talent to be the best team. You just have to win. Gladiators have not been playing well as of late and played the Terps close in Maryland. Played fl$ close and lost in the fl$ tournament. Terps Black just played down in Delaware and played some of the toughest competition in the country. They did real well. And know my son is not on the Terps Black team. If you win you move up, if you lose you move down. No excuses!! Just my thoughts on why I ranked them they way they are. Also if someone loses to a team not ranked then you will be removed and that team will take your spot. Very simple.

1. Turtles.
2. Terps black.
3. True Blue
4. Gladiators
5. 91 Orange.
6. Outlaws Black.
7. fl$
8. Jesters Black.
9. Garden City 17
10.Terps.

Ok so to me the 6,7,8, and 9 slots are interchangeable. The Jesters beat fl$ two weeks ago in the JDRF but lost to them at fl$ tourney. GC beat fl$ but lost to Jesters. Jesters have played Outlaws twice and tied them twice. Outlaws lost to Summit, NJ town team this weekend. Gladiators beat fl$ this weekend but got killed by BBL. Personally I think True BLue is a better team than Terps Black, but not a big deal. I think it is a fair and accurate list for the most part. Should be a fun summer watching these kids compete at a high level.

According to your logic then the Turtles should not be included since they haven't beaten anyone on the list. You must play to stay. Has Terps Black played True Blue yet?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Long Island lacrosse isn't nearly as good as long Islanders think it is.
after the top 3-4 LI Team 2017, there is a sharp talent drop off, then the next 6-10 are just average.

Says who? Long Island Lacrosse is the best in the world hands down. There are very competitive teams throughout the age group. Any of those teams ranked 1-10 of the Long Island 2017 club teams can compete with anyone in the country.

True probably for the first 3-4 teams, but definitely not true after that.

Disagree completely. Were not talking about winning here, were talking about being competitive and all of those teams listed can compete with just about anyone. If you watch them play youll understand why.

Sure your son is not on the Terps Black... How many teams on this list have beaten the Terps Black? At least 3 of them, so that puts them in 4th place at best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New Ranking of the top 10 LI lax teams for 2017. Remember you have to play each other and win to truly know who is better. No excuses! To get on this list you need to beat one of the top 10 teams. All in fun and good competition. No politics! involved.

1. Turtles.
2. Terps black.
3. True Blue
4. Gladiators
5. 91 Orange.
6. Outlaws Black.
7. fl$
8. Jesters Black.
9. Garden City 17
10.Terps.

Says the Terp Black daddy...

Here is the top Baltimore (area) teams...open for discussion:
1) MadLax Allstars
2) VLC
3) Crabs
4) FCA
5) Breakers
6) 83 Elite
7) Club Blue
8) Annapolis Hawks
9) Chesapeake Rock
10) Greene Turtle

The Brine National hasn't caught on in Maryland either (and it is held there!)..tryouts were mostly kids from southern MD..decent talent but the Baltimore clubs wee mostly absent

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to Terps Black at MVP tournament in Delaware? Did they play up? If not, looks like they had a few losses this weekend to teams not named Crabs.

but, they didnt play any LI teams so they will forever be #2 on the "Daddy Master Ranking List". What a joke

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here is the top Baltimore (area) teams...open for discussion:
1) MadLax Allstars
2) VLC
3) Crabs
4) FCA
5) Breakers
6) 83 Elite
7) Club Blue
8) Annapolis Hawks
9) Chesapeake Rock
10) Greene Turtle

Dont know much about the teams down there but shouldnt Looneys be on this list?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sure your son is not on the Terps Black... How many teams on this list have beaten the Terps Black? At least 3 of them, so that puts them in 4th place at best.

Agree, the product (Terps Black) has not lived up to the advertising. What a shame! Those kids and parents were sold a bill of goods.

Gladiators have improved dramatically and have beaten Terps Black. They have earned the 2 spot in the rankings, on the field. Terps Black have only earned their ranking off the field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sure your son is not on the Terps Black... How many teams on this list have beaten the Terps Black? At least 3 of them, so that puts them in 4th place at best.

Agree, the product (Terps Black) has not lived up to the advertising. What a shame! Those kids and parents were sold a bill of goods.

Gladiators have improved dramatically and have beaten Terps Black. They have earned the 2 spot in the rankings, on the field. Terps Black have only earned their ranking off the field.

I would have agreed with you before this weekend, however the Gladiators got beat up by BBL pretty good this weekend. I thought the Gladiators were the best team on Long Island coming into the fl$ tourney, however they didnt seem to play well. They also had a tough time with fl$. I think theyll definitely be back though......

Terps Black are a very good team, its just a shame that all this moving kids around nonsense takes away attention from the field where it belongs.....

Unfortunately, the Looneys program has fallen on tough times at the U15 and under age brackets...down, hopefully not out. Similar to Long Island the talent seems to be migrating to select programs leaving other programs weaker for a time...parents and kids looking for value, skills development and wins...the game has become big business but it comes down to the coaches and what they can do to develop the players and ultimately get them into college. FCA is the new program in Baltimore, headed by an experienced coaching staff..they will be a group to watch over the next couple years

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sure your son is not on the Terps Black... How many teams on this list have beaten the Terps Black? At least 3 of them, so that puts them in 4th place at best.

Agree, the product (Terps Black) has not lived up to the advertising. What a shame! Those kids and parents were sold a bill of goods.

Gladiators have improved dramatically and have beaten Terps Black. They have earned the 2 spot in the rankings, on the field. Terps Black have only earned their ranking off the field.

I would have agreed with you before this weekend, however the Gladiators got beat up by BBL pretty good this weekend. I thought the Gladiators were the best team on Long Island coming into the fl$ tourney, however they didnt seem to play well. They also had a tough time with fl$. I think theyll definitely be back though......

Terps Black are a very good team, its just a shame that all this moving kids around nonsense takes away attention from the field where it belongs.....

They are all good teams that will win some and lose some. That is the nature of sports. However the problem with Terps Black is the arrogance of the parents and coaching staff. Have you ever heard them on the sidelines? They think they are above it all and that arrogance is what puts the "spotlight" on them when they lose...

2017:

1- Turtles
2- True Blue A
3- Gladiators
4- 91 Orange
5- fl$
6- Team Long Island
7- Terps Black
8- Outlaws Black
9- Terps/terps black
10- Three Village

Remember fl$ strictly adheres to equal playing time which causes them to lose some games that they would win if they played their best 9-12 the whole game. This was quite clear when played Gladiators during the fl$ tournament and were winning most of the game until equal playing time kicked in. Might have also beaten True Blue the weekend before if it were not for equal time. But if you want to only go by wins and losses then it is what it is. But if you want to go by talent of their best players then they are as good as almost anybody.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017:

1- Turtles
2- True Blue A
3- Gladiators
4- 91 Orange
5- fl$
6- Team Long Island
7- Terps Black
8- Outlaws Black
9- Terps/terps black
10- Three Village

first poster's list more accurate.

1. Turtles.
2. Terps black.
3. True Blue
4. Gladiators
5. 91 Orange.
6. Outlaws Black.
7. fl$
8. Jesters Black.
9. Garden City 17
10.Terps.

perhaps at the moment 2 through 4 interchangeable, and 5 through 9 interchangeable. Many good players on all these teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Remember fl$ strictly adheres to equal playing time which causes them to lose some games that they would win if they played their best 9-12 the whole game. This was quite clear when played Gladiators during the fl$ tournament and were winning most of the game until equal playing time kicked in. Might have also beaten True Blue the weekend before if it were not for equal time. But if you want to only go by wins and losses then it is what it is. But if you want to go by talent of their best players then they are as good as almost anybody.

That may works at the Rec level, but anyone paying the $ for a club should rethink playing for a club that adheres to that philosphy. Unless the coaching is that good and your son or daughter is walking away a muh better player, there is no reason to stick with a club that enforces equal playing time. I dont want to hear the excuses every time fl$ loses and I would hate for parents to point a finger at my son if he was one of the boys that they claim caused a loss!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017:

1- Turtles
2- True Blue A
3- Gladiators
4- 91 Orange
5- fl$
6- Team Long Island
7- Terps Black
8- Outlaws Black
9- Terps/terps black
10- Three Village

Here are some of teams who Terps Black has played since Fall and their record against the teams,

Crabs (MD) (0-2)
Turtles (0-1)
Trueblue (1-1)
West Coast Stars (CA) (1-1)
Breakers (MD) (1-0)
Green Turtle(MD) (1-0)
Dukes(PA) (2-1)
Vipers 2016 (1-0)
Jesters Blk (1-0)
Outlaws Blk (1-0)
TriState (NJ) Black (1-0)
CT Westfield 2016 (1-0)
Superstar 2016 (1-0)
Shamrocks (NJ) (1-0)
Resolute (OH) (1-0)

I think the "strength of schedule" is pretty obvious.

Please share TLI, 91, TB, fl$ and of course your Gladiators list.

Here is an outsiders take on the Long Island 2017 Club scene:

1) Tenacious Turtles
The gap is the level of talent decay from Turtles to next club

4)Team 91
5)Gladiators
6)Outlaws 7)True Blue (admittedly, never heard or them..do they travel outside Long Island?
8)Terps Black
9)fl$

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Remember fl$ strictly adheres to equal playing time which causes them to lose some games that they would win if they played their best 9-12 the whole game. This was quite clear when played Gladiators during the fl$ tournament and were winning most of the game until equal playing time kicked in. Might have also beaten True Blue the weekend before if it were not for equal time. But if you want to only go by wins and losses then it is what it is. But if you want to go by talent of their best players then they are as good as almost anybody.

Huh????? Really. Thats a new one. Usually it's a team was missing thier best players, weather, played a harder schedule, or played a lot of games in one day. Now we have section 8 middle school rules for a very expensive club team?? The BS meter is rising!!!!!

I am not a Terps Black parent. Believe it or not. This is a non-bias rating and some people are not going to like it and that is ok. If you think your team is better then a team ranked above you, have your coach contact them and set up a game. Simple! Both teams will benefit from this kind of competition. Winner moves up lose moves down. We can all ague all day but there will only be one winner if you play. This is all about good competition. I agree that some of these teams are interchangeable. That is what makes this so interesting. Let�s not take this so seriously. To be on the 10 list is great and should be proud. Do you think in 2-3 years any of this really matters? Remember good competition make everyone better

It is a well know fact. No excuses. No BS. Just the facts. If You are a true lax daddy you should know that. All the other coaches know that. Just ask them. I am surprised at you. I thought you knew all things Lacrosse. My kid plays for another team and has friends on the team. They also tell you that at their tryouts. It's no secret.

Gap in the level of talent? Ok Turtle parent..when was the last time you played another 8th grade team? ..If you take the Turtles and put them on other travel teams, they are good players, no impact..That's the reality. We have seen it this year already..So your an outsider huh, how do you know the teams then to rank them? Back into your hole now..

You can't rank what have not seen play let alone never heard of. No merit to your post whatsoever

who are the Tenacious Turtles do they play on LI?

Equal money equal play. Everyone has choices. Remember you get to choose what team your kid is on. If he is good he has choices. You have to do what works best for you. by the way It is not equal on rec teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wake up Joisey boy. There are maybe 3 or 4 good NJ teams. Long Island is tops for talent in 2017. Take a trip to the Brine All-star classic and watch for yourself

So, how did the Turtles do at NYLA?

No Turtle parents running their mouths about embarrassing older teams.... So I guess the BUZZ that was so big at NYLA must have fizzled out a little bit.

I agree, there is great competition amongst the teams in the 8th grade age bracket. That is why the Turtles continue to avoid this competion because they know they will not win every game - so they purposefully avoid it. Until they engage they should remain unranked.

Our club team has played all teams on that list
except True Blue. It was ignorant for me to list
them. Apologies. From experience I can tell you Turtles
are significantly better than any other team on Long
Island. We can debate after the summer tourneys, I believe
91, Express, fl$ and Turtles are all down in Baltimore
at some point this year. Until then I will sit back and
watch the LI daddies attack the Turtles and argue about
which club team is best!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Gap in the level of talent? Ok Turtle parent..when was the last time you played another 8th grade team? ..If you take the Turtles and put them on other travel teams, they are good players, no impact..That's the reality. We have seen it this year already..So your an outsider huh, how do you know the teams then to rank them? Back into your hole now..

You're crazy the 2 best players on long island in this grade are on the Turtles! If an 8th grader can START on varsity for a very good program and have an impact I think that he can have an impact on a travel team too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can't rank what have not seen play let alone never heard of. No merit to your post whatsoever

Oh but, there IS merit to the original posters ranking? Because he has seen ALL teams play eachother? He knows ALL things lacrosse, right? Oh, & his son is not on the Terps Black either;) Let the summer play out, please!!!!!

People trash the Turtles for playing up in most tournaments rather than playing the 2017 teams but they win a lot of those tournaments. If they were getting smacked constantly I could see people saying they should play there age bracket always but if they win they were obviously in the right bracket for there skill level.

The list of tournaments they will play this summer is on there website so all of the 2017 teams can see.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2017:

1- Turtles
2- True Blue A
3- Gladiators
4- 91 Orange
5- fl$
6- Team Long Island
7- Terps Black
8- Outlaws Black
9- Terps/terps black
10- Three Village

Here are some of teams who Terps Black has played since Fall and their record against the teams,

Crabs (MD) (0-2)
Turtles (0-1)
Trueblue (1-1)
West Coast Stars (CA) (1-1)
Breakers (MD) (1-0)
Green Turtle(MD) (1-0)
Dukes(PA) (2-1)
Vipers 2016 (1-0)
Jesters Blk (1-0)
Outlaws Blk (1-0)
TriState (NJ) Black (1-0)
CT Westfield 2016 (1-0)
Superstar 2016 (1-0)
Shamrocks (NJ) (1-0)
Resolute (OH) (1-0)

I think the "strength of schedule" is pretty obvious.

Please share TLI, 91, TB, fl$ and of course your Gladiators list.

When did Terps Black beat the Outlaws Black???????????

How is Three Village on there if fl$ and GC killed them at the fl$ Tournament and they finished 1-4? Explain.

This ranking has nothing to do with parents or clubs rep. Let�s keep this about wins and losses. No excuse. If you think the Gladiators are a better team than the Terps. Simply ask your coach to set up a game during the week. I don�t think any one of these top level programs is unwilling to play a game during the week. Don�t argue the list until you have beaten a team ahead of you. This list is un-bias. This will create better competition on Long Island. By the end of the summer season this list could turn over a couple of times. Remember good competition makes everyone better. Do you really think any of this will matter in a 2-3 years. Have fun and enjoy the experience

Based on all the trash talk on this forum, you would think the 2017 Terps were some super team.

They don't measure up to the best in the Mid Atlantic.

Terps should focus their schedule on NJ, perhaps they can compete with those teams...forget Long Island, forget Mid Atlantic

OK Obama, next you will start telling us that the Turtles, 91 or whoever wins a tournament should share the prizes from the tourneys...I am sure Syracuse or Duke coaching staffs believe that everyone should get equal playing time...after all, they are all paying the same tuitions...perhaps the coaches at GC or Manhasset will listen to you

Simple. someone from 3 village put this version of the list together.

The ranking is entertaining and I would say I agree with the original poster's top ten. Some later teams mentioned have never been in the conversation and need to prove more.

Turtles are clearly the best "team" of 2017, if you don't agree you are one of two things....That said, the "team" is what draws the (most) most attention. Certainly appreciate that some of the turtle players are well above average. The remainder of the team are very good to good players and could mix with any of the players on the top ten list and no one would know the difference. My son and others have played against, practiced with and had tryouts with them many times. There are many good players in 2017 that can challenge skills of individual turtle players. The turtle team however operates very well, no argument there. No college coach is recruiting a team unfortunately.

The remainder of the top ten has some proven strength at the top and some developing ability just below. There are many good players and it will be a fun next several weeks watching the games. My feeling is, after this past weekend, anything can happen as there is talent deep into the list.

Remember though, enjoy this thread for now, 2017 is nearly over as the boys go to JV and varsity. Hopefully some of you have younger boys so the entertainment can go on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2017:

1- Turtles
2- True Blue A
3- Gladiators
4- 91 Orange
5- fl$
6- Team Long Island
7- Terps Black
8- Outlaws Black
9- Terps/terps black
10- Three Village

Here are some of teams who Terps Black has played since Fall and their record against the teams,

Crabs (MD) (0-2)
Turtles (0-1)
Trueblue (1-1)
West Coast Stars (CA) (1-1)
Breakers (MD) (1-0)
Green Turtle(MD) (1-0)
Dukes(PA) (2-1)
Vipers 2016 (1-0)
Jesters Blk (1-0)
Outlaws Blk (1-0)
TriState (NJ) Black (1-0)
CT Westfield 2016 (1-0)
Superstar 2016 (1-0)
Shamrocks (NJ) (1-0)
Resolute (OH) (1-0)

I think the "strength of schedule" is pretty obvious.

Please share TLI, 91, TB, fl$ and of course your Gladiators list.

When did Terps Black beat the Outlaws Black???????????

Terps Black beat Outlaws in Fall in seaford

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Our club team has played all teams on that list
except True Blue. It was ignorant for me to list
them. Apologies. From experience I can tell you Turtles
are significantly better than any other team on Long
Island. We can debate after the summer tourneys, I believe
91, Express, fl$ and Turtles are all down in Baltimore
at some point this year. Until then I will sit back and
watch the LI daddies attack the Turtles and argue about
which club team is best!

Why try to incite folks to attack the Turtles? They ARE the tops! Hopefully, people will attack the childishly stupid logic applied to this ridiculous thread, and its "I can beat you up, if I can take HIM, and HE beat YOU up LAST YEAR" reasoning. It is not even entertaining. Devoid of logical reasoning. Even if some of the stats used could be applied, how do we factor the "on any given Sunday" effect, or the "ever changing rosters" belonging to some of the clubs mentioned? Play hard and enjoy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

who are the Tenacious Turtles do they play on LI?

Oh boy..... at least that was not too transparent.

simpleton....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Remember fl$ strictly adheres to equal playing time which causes them to lose some games that they would win if they played their best 9-12 the whole game. This was quite clear when played Gladiators during the fl$ tournament and were winning most of the game until equal playing time kicked in. Might have also beaten True Blue the weekend before if it were not for equal time. But if you want to only go by wins and losses then it is what it is. But if you want to go by talent of their best players then they are as good as almost anybody.

This may be true, but it sounds a tad fetched. A little sour-grapes ish.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Gap in the level of talent? Ok Turtle parent..when was the last time you played another 8th grade team? ..If you take the Turtles and put them on other travel teams, they are good players, no impact..That's the reality. We have seen it this year already..So your an outsider huh, how do you know the teams then to rank them? Back into your hole now..

not a Turtle but please re-read this. its possibly one of the dumbest posts ever. This is about the ranking of teams you are saying take the Turtles off the team and put them on other teams and they aren't so good. Wouldn't they say the same thing about your team which isn't as good as theirs following the same philosophy. This isn't opinions about the best individual players but rather which is the best LI 2017 team rocket scientist

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Remember fl$ strictly adheres to equal playing time which causes them to lose some games that they would win if they played their best 9-12 the whole game. This was quite clear when played Gladiators during the fl$ tournament and were winning most of the game until equal playing time kicked in. Might have also beaten True Blue the weekend before if it were not for equal time. But if you want to only go by wins and losses then it is what it is. But if you want to go by talent of their best players then they are as good as almost anybody.

This may be true, but it sounds a tad fetched. A little sour-grapes ish.

That seems accurate with regards to fl$.They certainly could be a whole lot better, but it appears favoritism plays a role during tryout season.It looks like one must know someone to get on the team! Oh well, theres lots of other less expensive teams to join.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2017:

1- Turtles
2- True Blue A
3- Gladiators
4- 91 Orange
5- fl$
6- Team Long Island
7- Terps Black
8- Outlaws Black
9- Terps/terps black
10- Three Village

Here are some of teams who Terps Black has played since Fall and their record against the teams,

Crabs (MD) (0-2)
Turtles (0-1)
Trueblue (1-1)
West Coast Stars (CA) (1-1)
Breakers (MD) (1-0)
Green Turtle(MD) (1-0)
Dukes(PA) (2-1)
Vipers 2016 (1-0)
Jesters Blk (1-0)
Outlaws Blk (1-0)
TriState (NJ) Black (1-0)
CT Westfield 2016 (1-0)
Superstar 2016 (1-0)
Shamrocks (NJ) (1-0)
Resolute (OH) (1-0)

I think the "strength of schedule" is pretty obvious.

Please share TLI, 91, TB, fl$ and of course your Gladiators list.

When did Terps Black beat the Outlaws Black???????????

Terps Black beat Outlaws in Fall in seaford

Not true. There may have been an instructional scrimmage with coaches on the field but there was no game or refs.

Checkmate 2017 beat Outlaws Black Sunday in Jersey. Sharks won by a goal , 6 to 5 or 7 to 6. Sharks lost in semi's vs Summit.

True Blue beat every team on the list that they played.
They did not play gladiators or turtles

they are playing this weekend on LI

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2017:

1- Turtles
2- True Blue A
3- Gladiators
4- 91 Orange
5- fl$
6- Team Long Island
7- Terps Black
8- Outlaws Black
9- Terps/terps black
10- Three Village

Here are some of teams who Terps Black has played since Fall and their record against the teams,

Crabs (MD) (0-2)
Turtles (0-1)
Trueblue (1-1)
West Coast Stars (CA) (1-1)
Breakers (MD) (1-0)
Green Turtle(MD) (1-0)
Dukes(PA) (2-1)
Vipers 2016 (1-0)
Jesters Blk (1-0)
Outlaws Blk (1-0)
TriState (NJ) Black (1-0)
CT Westfield 2016 (1-0)
Superstar 2016 (1-0)
Shamrocks (NJ) (1-0)
Resolute (OH) (1-0)

I think the "strength of schedule" is pretty obvious.

Please share TLI, 91, TB, fl$ and of course your Gladiators list.

When did Terps Black beat the Outlaws Black???????????

Terps Black beat Outlaws in Fall in seaford

Not true. There may have been an instructional scrimmage with coaches on the field but there was no game or refs.

lol, ok.

Outlaws Black is beyond overrated in the Kings Point League, GC and BBL abosolutly destroyed them i don't understand why so much hype goes to this Outlaws team. The're not that good

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2017:

1- Turtles
2- True Blue A
3- Gladiators
4- 91 Orange
5- fl$
6- Team Long Island
7- Terps Black
8- Outlaws Black
9- Terps/terps black
10- Three Village

Here are some of teams who Terps Black has played since Fall and their record against the teams,

Crabs (MD) (0-2)
Turtles (0-1)
Trueblue (1-1)
West Coast Stars (CA) (1-1)
Breakers (MD) (1-0)
Green Turtle(MD) (1-0)
Dukes(PA) (2-1)
Vipers 2016 (1-0)
Jesters Blk (1-0)
Outlaws Blk (1-0)
TriState (NJ) Black (1-0)
CT Westfield 2016 (1-0)
Superstar 2016 (1-0)
Shamrocks (NJ) (1-0)
Resolute (OH) (1-0)

I think the "strength of schedule" is pretty obvious.

Please share TLI, 91, TB, fl$ and of course your Gladiators list.

When did Terps Black beat the Outlaws Black???????????

Terps Black beat Outlaws in Fall in seaford

Not true. There may have been an instructional scrimmage with coaches on the field but there was no game or refs.

You guy sound like little baby's... Terps black won, no it was a scrimmage not a game. No outlaws is better, no terps black is better. You are doing instructional scrimmages at 14 years old with caches on the field? Man up and set up a AE and see Whois better

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Our club team has played all teams on that list
except True Blue. It was ignorant for me to list
them. Apologies. From experience I can tell you Turtles
are significantly better than any other team on Long
Island. We can debate after the summer tourneys, I believe
91, Express, fl$ and Turtles are all down in Baltimore
at some point this year. Until then I will sit back and
watch the LI daddies attack the Turtles and argue about
which club team is best!

Why try to incite folks to attack the Turtles? They ARE the tops! Hopefully, people will attack the childishly stupid logic applied to this ridiculous thread, and its "I can beat you up, if I can take HIM, and HE beat YOU up LAST YEAR" reasoning. It is not even entertaining. Devoid of logical reasoning. Even if some of the stats used could be applied, how do we factor the "on any given Sunday" effect, or the "ever changing rosters" belonging to some of the clubs mentioned? Play hard and enjoy

Incite??? I paid them a compliment, a lot more than most do on this forum...Turtles are better, most on LI have inflated views of their teams...end of Summer we can all rehash our arguments

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Outlaws Black is beyond overrated in the Kings Point League, GC and BBL abosolutly destroyed them i don't understand why so much hype goes to this Outlaws team. The're not that good

Total agree!

I still think 3 Village is solid at 8 or 9. They play hard team defense and have a good middie.

then get Outlaws Black off the list - checkmate sharks beat them at battle of monmouth tournament on sunday. any given sunday !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True Blue beat every team on the list that they played.
They did not play gladiators or turtles

they are playing this weekend on LI

Half games count?? lol. Post the teams you guys have played would love to see your strength of schedule. Quality opponents on a regular basis are kinda important.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2017:

1- Turtles
2- True Blue A
3- Gladiatorsf
4- 91 Orange
5- fl$
6- Team Long Island
7- Terps Black
8- Outlaws Black
9- Terps/terps black
10- Three Village

Here are some of teams who Terps Black has played since Fall and their record against the teams,

Crabs (MD) (0-2)
Turtles (0-1)
Trueblue (1-1)
West Coast Stars (CA) (1-1)
Breakers (MD) (1-0)
Green Turtle(MD) (1-0)
Dukes(PA) (2-1)
Vipers 2016 (1-0)
Jesters Blk (1-0)
Outlaws Blk (1-0)
TriState (NJ) Black (1-0)
CT Westfield 2016 (1-0)
Superstar 2016 (1-0)
Shamrocks (NJ) (1-0)
Resolute (OH) (1-0)

I think the "strength of schedule" is pretty obvious.

Please share TLI, 91, TB, fl$ and of course your Gladiators list.

When did Terps Black beat the Outlaws Black???????????

Terps Black beat Outlaws in Fall in seaford

Not true. There may have been an instructional scrimmage with coaches on the field but there was no game or refs.

lol, ok.

Outlaws have not played Terps black but hAve played a mix of Terps black/ Terps and beat them twice and tied once.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I still think 3 Village is solid at 8 or 9. They play hard team defense and have a good middie.

Thinking about the town tournaments over the years for this age group , syosset, West Islip , Sayville have all beaten 3 village. Smithtown also as a town team is very strong for this age.

Strength of schedule???? You probably keep your kids stats too Terp dad and wanna be turtle dad. Lets keep this simple...You are an idiot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Outlaws Black is beyond overrated in the Kings Point League, GC and BBL abosolutly destroyed them i don't understand why so much hype goes to this Outlaws team. The're not that good

No dog in the fight, but have to agree. They did poorly in for what was the most part a NJ town team tournament this past weekend, which was won by Summit, NJ a pretty strong town team. Sharks and Outlaws did not make it to the finals. Summit won the tournament I believe.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I still think 3 Village is solid at 8 or 9. They play hard team defense and have a good middie.

Thinking about the town tournaments over the years for this age group , syosset, West Islip , Sayville have all beaten 3 village. Smithtown also as a town team is very strong for this age.

Ward Melville, West Islip, Syosset, Northport, Smithtown, Garden City, and Manhasset all have strong town teams at this age group. Ward Melville has just as good a town team as any and three of their better players dont play with them. We play them all the time and they are as scrappy and hard nosed as any team out there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Remember fl$ strictly adheres to equal playing time which causes them to lose some games that they would win if they played their best 9-12 the whole game. This was quite clear when played Gladiators during the fl$ tournament and were winning most of the game until equal playing time kicked in. Might have also beaten True Blue the weekend before if it were not for equal time. But if you want to only go by wins and losses then it is what it is. But if you want to go by talent of their best players then they are as good as almost anybody.

This may be true, but it sounds a tad fetched. A little sour-grapes ish.

No, not far-fetched, just a fact. My son plays on fl$ 2015. It's an equal-play philosophy. It can definitely be painful to watch at times given the talent on the bench but in the end it seems to work out. Given the angry emotions that wins and losses seem to bring out in parents on this blog, maybe fl$ is doing the right thing in a sport gone mad.

3 Village just went 1-4 in the fl$ tournament. They shouldn't even be in this conversation....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Strength of schedule???? You probably keep your kids stats too Terp dad and wanna be turtle dad. Lets keep this simple...You are an idiot.

"I have no comeback so let me throw a immature insult of name calling" or, "my team has a weak list of opponents compared to the posted team schedule" good stuff.

Not a "Terp" dad, as far as you calling me a wanna be turtle dad lets just say, IF you only knew! In the meantime, post the teams your sons team has played (STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE) thus far to compare the level of competition these talented LI teams have played (or going to play). Have a great day!

Can someone (preferably a LI Express parent) clarify the difference between Terps and Terps Black? Where do the extra players come from?

I don't understand how strength of schedule factors into this ranking. Most of these teams have played each other enough to provide an implied ranking. How one team played against a team that no one else has played really doesn't matter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I still think 3 Village is solid at 8 or 9. They play hard team defense and have a good middie.

Let me guess...you happen to be the parent of the "good middie"? 1-4 is not being able to keep up with the better travel teams. Maybe time to check out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I still think 3 Village is solid at 8 or 9. They play hard team defense and have a good middie.

Ok 3 Village Dad did you see GC and fl$ destroy your sons team over the weekend and 3 Village finished 1-4 over the weekend. What point are you trying to make if you have nothing to back it up with

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3 Village just went 1-4 in the fl$ tournament. They shouldn't even be in this conversation....

It's a 3 Village Dad don't worry about it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone (preferably a LI Express parent) clarify the difference between Terps and Terps Black? Where do the extra players come from?

My son plays for the 2017 Terps. When we play our games there are 6-8 Terps Black team players that also play with us. None of the player on my sons Terps team play with the Terps black team. The 2 teams don't play in the same tournaments or even on the same weekend so that the strongest players can play on both teams. I don't agree with it and will not have my son play with the express next year but after 5 years of being a part of the express I know that the rosters are very fluid.

you left out that you are 1-1 versus the Gladiators

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't understand how strength of schedule factors into this ranking. Most of these teams have played each other enough to provide an implied ranking. How one team played against a team that no one else has played really doesn't matter.

Respectfully disagree, it does matter. Strength of schedule shows how the teams compete against other elite teams from ALL OVER the nation (not just LI where there is a comfort zone). Teams like turtles, terps black and trueblue (and once in a while, 91) play very tough schedules all the time. The players are truly challenged. Best play the best, to see if a team can "hang" or do you get "blownout".

I have a younger son and happen to watch the 2017 fl$ offense dominate 3 Village team defense. I am sure they are a very good town team. Perhaps there better defensive players play elsewhere in the summer. The current 3 Village summer team did not seem nearly as strong as the prevoius blogs claim. GC 17 should be on the list a before 3 Village. It's really not even a discussion

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone (preferably a LI Express parent) clarify the difference between Terps and Terps Black? Where do the extra players come from?

They are requested by Captain Kirk and arrive from the starship Enterprise.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Remember fl$ strictly adheres to equal playing time which causes them to lose some games that they would win if they played their best 9-12 the whole game. This was quite clear when played Gladiators during the fl$ tournament and were winning most of the game until equal playing time kicked in. Might have also beaten True Blue the weekend before if it were not for equal time. But if you want to only go by wins and losses then it is what it is. But if you want to go by talent of their best players then they are as good as almost anybody.

This may be true, but it sounds a tad fetched. A little sour-grapes ish.

No, not far-fetched, just a fact. My son plays on fl$ 2015. It's an equal-play philosophy. It can definitely be painful to watch at times given the talent on the bench but in the end it seems to work out. Given the angry emotions that wins and losses seem to bring out in parents on this blog, maybe fl$ is doing the right thing in a sport gone mad.

Like.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't understand how strength of schedule factors into this ranking. Most of these teams have played each other enough to provide an implied ranking. How one team played against a team that no one else has played really doesn't matter.

There is no "understanding" the ranking. Its ridiculous! It is one mans opinion based on the fall schedule. Terps Black lost to TB once & then beat them once in a tournamnet held in March. They have not played Gladiators, (oh wait, some of them did while playing on another Terps team but, lost, so that doesnt matter) they have not played 91, nor Outlaws but, daddy is still stamping his feet & saying Terps Black is #2 on LI! The whole thing is a joke. Let the summer play out & even then, it does not even matter. These boys have tremendous talent & they all respect eachother. The parents are crazy!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I still think 3 Village is solid at 8 or 9. They play hard team defense and have a good middie.

Ok 3 Village Dad did you see GC and fl$ destroy your sons team over the weekend and 3 Village finished 1-4 over the weekend. What point are you trying to make if you have nothing to back it up with

shall we all end this yet?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't understand how strength of schedule factors into this ranking. Most of these teams have played each other enough to provide an implied ranking. How one team played against a team that no one else has played really doesn't matter.

There is no "understanding" the ranking. Its ridiculous! It is one mans opinion based on the fall schedule. Terps Black lost to TB once & then beat them once in a tournamnet held in March. They have not played Gladiators, (oh wait, some of them did while playing on another Terps team but, lost, so that doesnt matter) they have not played 91, nor Outlaws but, daddy is still stamping his feet & saying Terps Black is #2 on LI! The whole thing is a joke. Let the summer play out & even then, it does not even matter. These boys have tremendous talent & they all respect eachother. The parents are crazy!!!

Terps Black played Gladiators twice in OBLL - 1 win, 1 loss. Terps lost to the Gladiators in the Lax Splash final.

Turtles play True Blue in first game of tournament this weekend at Mitchel Field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone (preferably a LI Express parent) clarify the difference between Terps and Terps Black? Where do the extra players come from?

My son plays for the 2017 Terps. When we play our games there are 6-8 Terps Black team players that also play with us. None of the player on my sons Terps team play with the Terps black team. The 2 teams don't play in the same tournaments or even on the same weekend so that the strongest players can play on both teams. I don't agree with it and will not have my son play with the express next year but after 5 years of being a part of the express I know that the rosters are very fluid.

If you are a terp parent you would know that the strongest players from the black team were not put on regular terps team roster nor will ever play for both teams. These kids are the impact players on tht team. Those on both rosters do not get a ton of playing time for the most part and playing on regular terps gives them more opportunity for playing time. .

Didn't Terps Black just loose 3 out of 5 over weekend but who cares

Maybe he just looks good because he's on that team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone (preferably a LI Express parent) clarify the difference between Terps and Terps Black? Where do the extra players come from?

My son plays for the 2017 Terps. When we play our games there are 6-8 Terps Black team players that also play with us. None of the player on my sons Terps team play with the Terps black team. The 2 teams don't play in the same tournaments or even on the same weekend so that the strongest players can play on both teams. I don't agree with it and will not have my son play with the express next year but after 5 years of being a part of the express I know that the rosters are very fluid.

If you are a terp parent you would know that the strongest players from the black team were not put on regular terps team roster nor will ever play for both teams. These kids are the impact players on tht team. Those on both rosters do not get a ton of playing time for the most part and playing on regular terps gives them more opportunity for playing time. .

Correct.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone (preferably a LI Express parent) clarify the difference between Terps and Terps Black? Where do the extra players come from?

My son plays for the 2017 Terps. When we play our games there are 6-8 Terps Black team players that also play with us. None of the player on my sons Terps team play with the Terps black team. The 2 teams don't play in the same tournaments or even on the same weekend so that the strongest players can play on both teams. I don't agree with it and will not have my son play with the express next year but after 5 years of being a part of the express I know that the rosters are very fluid.

If you are a terp parent you would know that the strongest players from the black team were not put on regular terps team roster nor will ever play for both teams. These kids are the impact players on tht team. Those on both rosters do not get a ton of playing time for the most part and playing on regular terps gives them more opportunity for playing time. .

Correct.

Yup, I concur as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't understand how strength of schedule factors into this ranking. Most of these teams have played each other enough to provide an implied ranking. How one team played against a team that no one else has played really doesn't matter.

There is no "understanding" the ranking. Its ridiculous! It is one mans opinion based on the fall schedule. Terps Black lost to TB once & then beat them once in a tournamnet held in March. They have not played Gladiators, (oh wait, some of them did while playing on another Terps team but, lost, so that doesnt matter) they have not played 91, nor Outlaws but, daddy is still stamping his feet & saying Terps Black is #2 on LI! The whole thing is a joke. Let the summer play out & even then, it does not even matter. These boys have tremendous talent & they all respect eachother. The parents are crazy!!!

Terps Black played Gladiators twice in OBLL - 1 win, 1 loss. Terps lost to the Gladiators in the Lax Splash final.

Pretty sure terps black played their first games together this past weekend. Anything prior to that, including any spring games, was optional. Those that also played hs ball had to put that first and couldn't commit to travel. So I'm not understanding where or how these rankings can be justified. That being said, the blacks had some tough competition last weekend and look forward to the challenge of upping their game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't understand how strength of schedule factors into this ranking. Most of these teams have played each other enough to provide an implied ranking. How one team played against a team that no one else has played really doesn't matter.

There is no "understanding" the ranking. Its ridiculous! It is one mans opinion based on the fall schedule. Terps Black lost to TB once & then beat them once in a tournamnet held in March. They have not played Gladiators, (oh wait, some of them did while playing on another Terps team but, lost, so that doesnt matter) they have not played 91, nor Outlaws but, daddy is still stamping his feet & saying Terps Black is #2 on LI! The whole thing is a joke. Let the summer play out & even then, it does not even matter. These boys have tremendous talent & they all respect eachother. The parents are crazy!!!

Terps Black played Gladiators twice in OBLL - 1 win, 1 loss. Terps lost to the Gladiators in the Lax Splash final.

Pretty sure terps black played their first games together this past weekend. Anything prior to that, including any spring games, was optional. Those that also played hs ball had to put that first and couldn't commit to travel. So I'm not understanding where or how these rankings can be justified. That being said, the blacks had some tough competition last weekend and look forward to the challenge of upping their game.

well then, your rationale applies to all clubs and teams, most of the top group have kids that played HS ball.

Do you all realize that you have gone completely insane!!!!
Wins and Loses on summer teams is meaningless. All that matters is individual talent. Teams don't get recruited!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't understand how strength of schedule factors into this ranking. Most of these teams have played each other enough to provide an implied ranking. How one team played against a team that no one else has played really doesn't matter.

There is no "understanding" the ranking. Its ridiculous! It is one mans opinion based on the fall schedule. Terps Black lost to TB once & then beat them once in a tournamnet held in March. They have not played Gladiators, (oh wait, some of them did while playing on another Terps team but, lost, so that doesnt matter) they have not played 91, nor Outlaws but, daddy is still stamping his feet & saying Terps Black is #2 on LI! The whole thing is a joke. Let the summer play out & even then, it does not even matter. These boys have tremendous talent & they all respect eachother. The parents are crazy!!!

Terps Black played Gladiators twice in OBLL - 1 win, 1 loss. Terps lost to the Gladiators in the Lax Splash final.

Pretty sure terps black played their first games together this past weekend. Anything prior to that, including any spring games, was optional. Those that also played hs ball had to put that first and couldn't commit to travel. So I'm not understanding where or how these rankings can be justified. That being said, the blacks had some tough competition last weekend and look forward to the challenge of upping their game.

This is silly, what you said about black terms "together for the first time" could be said about any travel team. Just stop with the excuses for you black terms dads. It is either the refs were tired or they have not played together etc.

What are you going to say at the next black terms loss, "it was too hot out" c'mon man...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't understand how strength of schedule factors into this ranking. Most of these teams have played each other enough to provide an implied ranking. How one team played against a team that no one else has played really doesn't matter.

There is no "understanding" the ranking. Its ridiculous! It is one mans opinion based on the fall schedule. Terps Black lost to TB once & then beat them once in a tournamnet held in March. They have not played Gladiators, (oh wait, some of them did while playing on another Terps team but, lost, so that doesnt matter) they have not played 91, nor Outlaws but, daddy is still stamping his feet & saying Terps Black is #2 on LI! The whole thing is a joke. Let the summer play out & even then, it does not even matter. These boys have tremendous talent & they all respect eachother. The parents are crazy!!!

Terps Black played Gladiators twice in OBLL - 1 win, 1 loss. Terps lost to the Gladiators in the Lax Splash final.

Pretty sure terps black played their first games together this past weekend. Anything prior to that, including any spring games, was optional. Those that also played hs ball had to put that first and couldn't commit to travel. So I'm not understanding where or how these rankings can be justified. That being said, the blacks had some tough competition last weekend and look forward to the challenge of upping their game.

This is silly, what you said about black terms "together for the first time" could be said about any travel team. Just stop with the excuses for you black terms dads. It is either the refs were tired or they have not played together etc.

What are you going to say at the next black terms loss, "it was too hot out" c'mon man...

It goes back to what was said weeks ago...."when they win its Terps black if they lose it is just the regular Terps. "

Big Time Shootout: Entering 9A
Group 1: I pick NE Storm or Bulldog to come out on top. If Team LI is really U13, they will have a tough time against older boys. CPLax is a new team and does not have a lot of depth. Prime Time (think John Jay) can be good but I am going with the private school boys from NE Storm. This is a new team this year and they haven�t played together ever, but don�t think anyone else in this group has either. Bulldog is also a strong CT club. Don't know Team Turnpike.
Group 2 seems to have the stronger teams. Team Superstar wasn't good last year - don't expect them to be any better this year. Played Wolverines in OBYLL, they won't last. Don't know 3 Tribes but prior discussion would have me believe they won't be a factor. That leaves TB, Bolts and Patriots. I believe these are the strongest teams in this age group. Bolts lost to (an older?) Patriots team in a close game at this same tournament last year. This is the Bolts first tourney and they haven�t played together this spring. However the team that returns is the same as last year and they won several tournaments last summer and were beating older aged teams by the end of the summer. On the other hand, TB has been playing together all spring and based upon earlier discussion has been doing well. I�ve never seen TB play. I believe Patriots won this age group last year and went on to win a bunch of other tournaments last summer. If the same team returns they will be a factor. I�ll pick Patriots vs NE Storm in the final with Patriots winning it. Either way, it will be a great day of lacrosse. Good luck to all teams. (I�m not involved in any of these teams but would like to see the Bolts win it. Please post some scores!)
PS. Lets stop talking about the Terps/Terps Black. Its getting old!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't understand how strength of schedule factors into this ranking. Most of these teams have played each other enough to provide an implied ranking. How one team played against a team that no one else has played really doesn't matter.

There is no "understanding" the ranking. Its ridiculous! It is one mans opinion based on the fall schedule. Terps Black lost to TB once & then beat them once in a tournamnet held in March. They have not played Gladiators, (oh wait, some of them did while playing on another Terps team but, lost, so that doesnt matter) they have not played 91, nor Outlaws but, daddy is still stamping his feet & saying Terps Black is #2 on LI! The whole thing is a joke. Let the summer play out & even then, it does not even matter. These boys have tremendous talent & they all respect eachother. The parents are crazy!!!

Terps Black played Gladiators twice in OBLL - 1 win, 1 loss. Terps lost to the Gladiators in the Lax Splash final.

Pretty sure terps black played their first games together this past weekend. Anything prior to that, including any spring games, was optional. Those that also played hs ball had to put that first and couldn't commit to travel. So I'm not understanding where or how these rankings can be justified. That being said, the blacks had some tough competition last weekend and look forward to the challenge of upping their game.

This is silly, what you said about black terms "together for the first time" could be said about any travel team. Just stop with the excuses for you black terms dads. It is either the refs were tired or they have not played together etc.

What are you going to say at the next black terms loss, "it was too hot out" c'mon man...

It goes back to what was said weeks ago...."when they win its Terps black if they lose it is just the regular Terps. "

No blame passed to anyone. Our team (TERPS BLACK) won 2 on the first day and lost 1. The loss was to Wet Bandits (PA) in a very exciting overtime game where our guys loss 6-5. So our team was the 2 seed going into playoffs and lost to a team called the Baltimore Crabs 9-5.

Our team will win a few and lose a few this summer, but if you look at our summer schedule our boys will be competing against the best 2017 and 2016 teams in the country. Trueblue and Turtles can relate.

Summer Slam in NJ.
Any handicap on the NJ teams Leading Edge, Tri-State, BBL? Any ranking on the PA teams like Twist, LB3, or Fever?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't understand how strength of schedule factors into this ranking. Most of these teams have played each other enough to provide an implied ranking. How one team played against a team that no one else has played really doesn't matter.

There is no "understanding" the ranking. Its ridiculous! It is one mans opinion based on the fall schedule. Terps Black lost to TB once & then beat them once in a tournamnet held in March. They have not played Gladiators, (oh wait, some of them did while playing on another Terps team but, lost, so that doesnt matter) they have not played 91, nor Outlaws but, daddy is still stamping his feet & saying Terps Black is #2 on LI! The whole thing is a joke. Let the summer play out & even then, it does not even matter. These boys have tremendous talent & they all respect eachother. The parents are crazy!!!

Terps Black played Gladiators twice in OBLL - 1 win, 1 loss. Terps lost to the Gladiators in the Lax Splash final.

Pretty sure terps black played their first games together this past weekend. Anything prior to that, including any spring games, was optional. Those that also played hs ball had to put that first and couldn't commit to travel. So I'm not understanding where or how these rankings can be justified. That being said, the blacks had some tough competition last weekend and look forward to the challenge of upping their game.

This is silly, what you said about black terms "together for the first time" could be said about any travel team. Just stop with the excuses for you black terms dads. It is either the refs were tired or they have not played together etc.

What are you going to say at the next black terms loss, "it was too hot out" c'mon man...

It goes back to what was said weeks ago...."when they win its Terps black if they lose it is just the regular Terps. "

If this could be said about any travel team - then why bother with the rankings? Seriously... Oh yeah, back in 1999 so and so beat so and so - shouldn't that team be mentioned also. This whole thread is a joke and these parents need to get a hobby!! Half of you can't even touch your toes let alone run a block!!

Be honest... Survey your 8th grader and ask him who the toughest team they played...

their opinions will determine the top ranked team... my gut tells me they would rather play fl$, Terps, Outlaws than True Blue or the Gladiators

This is a waste of time. Over and over the same comments. Please just set up a game and play. Then no one can say anything else. As I said when I 1st listed the rankings it is about wins and loses. No excuses.

And we all know that crazy guy.

2017 fl$ doesnt play equal time. They favor the Wantagh kids. That is were the coach came from. Some of these kids dont even belong on the team.

true blue should defiantly be moved up on that last

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 fl$ doesnt play equal time. They favor the Wantagh kids. That is were the coach came from. Some of these kids dont even belong on the team.

That doesn't surprise me with fl$.
The 2019 team has FIVE kids from the same elementary school.
Looks like favoritism.
Who would want to spend good money on try out fees with such organized behavior???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Summer Slam in NJ.
Any handicap on the NJ teams Leading Edge, Tri-State, BBL? Any ranking on the PA teams like Twist, LB3, or Fever?

Saw BBL over the weekend, they beat up on the Gladiators pretty good and lost to Patriot (Another NJ team) in the finals. They are very good, I think Patriot and BBL are the best two Jersey teams out there. Tri State is also pretty good as is STEPS. Not sure on Twist, LB3 or Fever.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2017 fl$ doesnt play equal time. They favor the Wantagh kids. That is were the coach came from. Some of these kids dont even belong on the team.

That doesn't surprise me with fl$.
The 2019 team has FIVE kids from the same elementary school.
Looks like favoritism.
Who would want to spend good money on try out fees with such organized behavior???

2018 team weaker than last year, practice once a week. No training, talent was down graded in many spots due too GC and CSH ties. We are not too happy this year...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Summer Slam in NJ.
Any handicap on the NJ teams Leading Edge, Tri-State, BBL? Any ranking on the PA teams like Twist, LB3, or Fever?

Saw BBL over the weekend, they beat up on the Gladiators pretty good and lost to Patriot (Another NJ team) in the finals. They are very good, I think Patriot and BBL are the best two Jersey teams out there. Tri State is also pretty good as is STEPS. Not sure on Twist, LB3 or Fever.

Leading Edge team is weak, BBL decent, Tri-State all depends on which team they take, top team is decent...regarding PA teams, LB3 weak, Fever is pretty good and Twist inconsistent

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Summer Slam in NJ.
Any handicap on the NJ teams Leading Edge, Tri-State, BBL? Any ranking on the PA teams like Twist, LB3, or Fever?

Saw BBL over the weekend, they beat up on the Gladiators pretty good and lost to Patriot (Another NJ team) in the finals. They are very good, I think Patriot and BBL are the best two Jersey teams out there. Tri State is also pretty good as is STEPS. Not sure on Twist, LB3 or Fever.

Agree generally with your NJ ranking. Patriot, BBL, STEPS and Tri-State Black are probably the best 4 in NJ right now. They will likely play each other (at least the first three in the Jersey Shootout/Patriot's tournament) later this year. These teams are competitive with the top LI teams (not saying they can beat all of them) with the exception of Turtles from what I have seen. The difference with LI and NJ is that LI has more depth of quality teams at this age group whereas in NJ it drops off after the top 4-5 teams considerably.

Loyalty ? I heard the Wantagh coach walked away from his own team ( hotshots ) that he started up ! To come to fl$ for a better payday. Loyalty is not in his vocabulary !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Turtles play True Blue in first game of tournament this weekend at Mitchel Field.

Umm, thats not the Turtles, its the Wolverines which is the Express D team at the 2017 level. Should be an interesting game.......

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Summer Slam in NJ.
Any handicap on the NJ teams Leading Edge, Tri-State, BBL? Any ranking on the PA teams like Twist, LB3, or Fever?

Saw BBL over the weekend, they beat up on the Gladiators pretty good and lost to Patriot (Another NJ team) in the finals. They are very good, I think Patriot and BBL are the best two Jersey teams out there. Tri State is also pretty good as is STEPS. Not sure on Twist, LB3 or Fever.

Jesters Black lost to Patriot 9-6 in the semifinals. Very hard fought and competitive game. Patriot has a couple of really big, strong and fast middies who can dominate.

Anyone have any experience with any of these teams?

True Michigan
CNY Roadhawks
Laxachussetts Yellow
House of Sports Black

All those teams are in the 2017 A bracket at the laxfest this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Turtles play True Blue in first game of tournament this weekend at Mitchel Field.

Umm, thats not the Turtles, its the Wolverines which is the Express D team at the 2017 level. Should be an interesting game.......

Umm, its the Turtles probably playing TB 2016 since the bracket is JV A

Schedule clearly says Tenacious Turtles so you don't know what you're talking about. They play True Blue in the JV A division this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone have any experience with any of these teams?

True Michigan
CNY Roadhawks
Laxachussetts Yellow
House of Sports Black

All those teams are in the 2017 A bracket at the laxfest this weekend.

Assuming this is their A team, CNY Roadhawks is probably the best team from upstate NY (think Syracuse area) and has put a lot of their players in top D1 schools over the years. Haven't seen their 2017 team, but the club is typically strong. Laxachussetts is also a very strong club (think Duxbury area) but the Black team is their A team not Yellow. I know nothing about the two other teams.

Haven't seen any of these teams play. For what its worth:

House of Sports is a 1st year program in Westchester NY.

Laxachusettes usually has good teams, but don't know where Yellow ranks.

CNY Roadhawks are from Syracuse often with Jamesville-Dewitt players. Could be good.

Good luck!

anybody have the 411 on the CNY Roadhawks we play them Saturday thx for help

Red Division: White Division: Blue Division: Green Division:
Breakers Madlax-Capital VLC Crabs
Club Blue Hawks 2017 FCA Blue Predator
Madlax-Rock Philly Freedom Tar Heel LC Greene Turtle
Fearless Mavericks

Greene Turtle Invitational U15 AA in Baltiore this weekend, 8 very solid Club programs competing...need to see more of this on Long Island. Better yet, like to see LI's best vs the best in Maryland

It's really a shame that the Turtles, Terps Black, True Blue A, 91 Orange, and Gladiators don't all play in the same tournament.

I surgets that they play each other. Tired of hereing the Gladiators dad crying all the time

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Schedule clearly says Tenacious Turtles so you don't know what you're talking about. They play True Blue in the JV A division this weekend.

So who is the team is 9A playing the Wolverines? I guess the True Blue "B" team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Schedule clearly says Tenacious Turtles so you don't know what you're talking about. They play True Blue in the JV A division this weekend.

So who is the team is 9A playing the Wolverines? I guess the True Blue "B" team?

Probably the True Blue 2017 A team. The Turtles are playing up so they are most likely playing True Blue 2016 A team.

True Blue 2017 is playing Express Wolverines, True Blue 2016 is playing Tenacious Turtles.

[quote=Anonymous]True Blue 2017 is playing Express Wolverines, True Blue 2016 is playing Tenacious Turtles. [/quote

True Blue A is playing the Wolverines? Ouch........

How is the Express Wolverine team? is that one of the top teams?

I surgets you go back to skool.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is the Express Wolverine team? is that one of the top teams?

Express 2017 depth chart:

A. Turtles
B. Terps Black
C. Terps
D. Wolverines
E. Piranas

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]True Blue 2017 is playing Express Wolverines, True Blue 2016 is playing Tenacious Turtles. [/quote

True Blue A is playing the Wolverines? Ouch........

Wait, wasn't it said that TB plays the tough schedule?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]True Blue 2017 is playing Express Wolverines, True Blue 2016 is playing Tenacious Turtles. [/quote

True Blue A is playing the Wolverines? Ouch........

Take True Blue and the over.........

oh boy, TB is not a playing a so called tough team, start the bashing..

[quote=Anonymous]oh boy, TB is not a playing a so called tough team, start the bashing.. [/quote

Lucky they are not playing 3V!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]True Blue 2017 is playing Express Wolverines, True Blue 2016 is playing Tenacious Turtles. [/quote

True Blue A is playing the Wolverines? Ouch........

Take True Blue and the over.........

I mean, why even bother playing the game!.......................no, wait. I meant to say that you're an azz.

Correction Express 2017 depth chart:

A. Turtles
B. Terps Black
C. Terps
D. Piranhas
E. Wolverines

Originally Posted by Anonymous

oh boy, TB is not a playing a so called tough team, start the bashing..

You have to play who the schedule puts on the other field against you. It's not True Blue's fault that the Express has entered a very weak team into the A division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]True Blue 2017 is playing Express Wolverines, True Blue 2016 is playing Tenacious Turtles. [/quote

True Blue A is playing the Wolverines? Ouch........

Wait, wasn't it said that TB plays the tough schedule?

So Mr Lax know-it-all who is playing the TOUGH schedule. Please enlighten us all with your vast Lax knowelege and bracket evaluation........knucklehead!

Here are the rankings going into this weekend. 91, Gladiators, Jesters and fl$ all play this weekend. Win and you move up lose and you move down. No excuses. Terps and Garden City play each other as well. True Blue has a bad bracket for LI. This weekend should answer a lot of questions on the field. The time for talking is over. Should be a fun weekend.

1. Turtles.
2. Terps black.
3. True Blue
4. Gladiators
5. 91 Orange.
6. Outlaws Black.
7. fl$
8. Jesters Black.
9. Garden City 17
10.Terps.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here are the rankings going into this weekend. 91, Gladiators, Jesters and fl$ all play this weekend. Win and you move up lose and you move down. No excuses. Terps and Garden City play each other as well. True Blue has a bad bracket for LI. This weekend should answer a lot of questions on the field. The time for talking is over. Should be a fun weekend.

1. Turtles.
2. Terps black.
3. True Blue
4. Gladiators
5. 91 Orange.
6. Outlaws Black.
7. fl$
8. Jesters Black.
9. Garden City 17
10.Terps.

Jesters, GC & fl$ have all beaten Outlaws. They are not 6th, sorry

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here are the rankings going into this weekend. 91, Gladiators, Jesters and fl$ all play this weekend. Win and you move up lose and you move down. No excuses. Terps and Garden City play each other as well. True Blue has a bad bracket for LI. This weekend should answer a lot of questions on the field. The time for talking is over. Should be a fun weekend.

1. Turtles.
2. Terps black.
3. True Blue
4. Gladiators
5. 91 Orange.
6. Outlaws Black.
7. fl$
8. Jesters Black.
9. Garden City 17
10.Terps.

Turtles play this weekend also and they are playing in the JV A division rather than the rising 9th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here are the rankings going into this weekend. 91, Gladiators, Jesters and fl$ all play this weekend. Win and you move up lose and you move down. No excuses. Terps and Garden City play each other as well. True Blue has a bad bracket for LI. This weekend should answer a lot of questions on the field. The time for talking is over. Should be a fun weekend.

1. Turtles.
2. Terps black.
3. True Blue
4. Gladiators
5. 91 Orange.
6. Outlaws Black.
7. fl$
8. Jesters Black.
9. Garden City 17
10.Terps.

I think everyone on this list is playing this weekend with the exception of Terps Black? Jesters, fl$, GC17, Terps, and 91 Orange are all at LI Laxfest. Outlaws are at Summer Slam in NJ, True Blue is at Maverick as are the Turtles.

Should be a great weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]True Blue 2017 is playing Express Wolverines, True Blue 2016 is playing Tenacious Turtles. [/quote

True Blue A is playing the Wolverines? Ouch........

Not to Worry some of the Black Terps/Terps will be there but only to help out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think everyone on this list is playing this weekend with the exception of Terps Black? Jesters, fl$, GC17, Terps, and 91 Orange are all at LI Laxfest. Outlaws are at Summer Slam in NJ, True Blue is at Maverick as are the Turtles.

Should be a great weekend.

The Terps Black team isn't playing this weekend but ALL of there players will be playing on the Terps and the other Express 2017 teams!

Outlaws way too high. GC-17, fl$, Jesters all beat them. Be consistent!!

Is True Blue 2017 Blue the True Blue A team for this age group? Is this the team playing in the Jersey Showcase July 13-14? thanks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is True Blue 2017 Blue the True Blue A team for this age group? Is this the team playing in the Jersey Showcase July 13-14? thanks

Yes the Blue team is the A team and the white team is the B team.

Terps black is playing this weekend. Your intel is faulty. You are blogging out your a....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps black is playing this weekend. Your intel is faulty. You are blogging out your a....

Where are they playing this weekend?

FOD. they are playing Laxachusetts

The joke is on the turtles, they are playing up to play a TB 2016 team that can't beat True Blue's 2017....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Outlaws way too high. GC-17, fl$, Jesters all beat them. Be consistent!!

Jesters have not beat Outlaws

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Outlaws way too high. GC-17, fl$, Jesters all beat them. Be consistent!!

Jesters have not beat Outlaws

Yes they did, early in OBLL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FOD. they are playing Laxachusetts

So Laxachusetts is playing in the LI Laxfest as well as playing the Terps Black at FOD? Sounds unlikely.

Does anyone know anything about the FCA team in Maryland? I think the Terps Black play them before the Crab tournament. I haven't heard much about them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FOD. they are playing Laxachusetts

So Laxachusetts is playing in the LI Laxfest as well as playing the Terps Black at FOD? Sounds unlikely.

Sounds true because it is. So your not on the team, than why would you doubt it? Worry about your own sons team where MAYBE there you have correct info.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know anything about the FCA team in Maryland? I think the Terps Black play them before the Crab tournament. I haven't heard much about them.

Fellowship of Christian Athletes. Very good team, they draw from a huge talent pool.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know anything about the FCA team in Maryland? I think the Terps Black play them before the Crab tournament. I haven't heard much about them.

Fellowship of Christian Athletes. Very good team, they draw from a huge talent pool.

Thanks, I think this is the Maryland chapter...do they take kids from outside Maryland?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FOD. they are playing Laxachusetts

So Laxachusetts is playing in the LI Laxfest as well as playing the Terps Black at FOD? Sounds unlikely.

Sounds true because it is. So your not on the team, than why would you doubt it? Worry about your own sons team where MAYBE there you have correct info.

a few Laxachusetts teams are playing Sunday at FOD. I know 4th grade team is playing Express. I guess they figured since they cam down why not get another game in

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think everyone on this list is playing this weekend with the exception of Terps Black? Jesters, fl$, GC17, Terps, and 91 Orange are all at LI Laxfest. Outlaws are at Summer Slam in NJ, True Blue is at Maverick as are the Turtles.

Should be a great weekend.

The Terps Black team isn't playing this weekend but ALL of there players will be playing on the Terps and the other Express 2017 teams!

What makes you the expert on terps black? And why do you spend your time keeping track of the black? and fyi, we are playing this weekend!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What makes you the expert on terps black? And why do you spend your time keeping track of the black? and fyi, we are playing this weekend!

So you are saying that NONE of the Terps black players will be playing on any of the other Express teams in the LI Laxfest? It hasn't happened yet so it seems very doubtful.

Express Parent-

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FOD. they are playing Laxachusetts

So Laxachusetts is playing in the LI Laxfest as well as playing the Terps Black at FOD? Sounds unlikely.

Sounds true because it is. So your not on the team, than why would you doubt it? Worry about your own sons team where MAYBE there you have correct info.

a few Laxachusetts teams are playing Sunday at FOD. I know 4th grade team is playing Express. I guess they figured since they cam down why not get another game in

LI Express is coming to Crab Tournament in Baltimore in early July and playing FCA the Friday before the tourney..when traveling, why not try to max out your schedule and get in some quality lacrosse...smart move by Laxachusetts and Terps...get the players a better bang for their buck!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What makes you the expert on terps black? And why do you spend your time keeping track of the black? and fyi, we are playing this weekend!

So you are saying that NONE of the Terps black players will be playing on any of the other Express teams in the LI Laxfest? It hasn't happened yet so it seems very doubtful.

Express Parent-

i would think the same 6-7 terps black players that are on both rosters will be playing with reg terps because its the SAME 6-7 that do always do!

what was said was "FOD, Terps black are playing Laxachutes" not your self -serving commentary. FYI some Terp impact players ( who also play with the Terps black team) in essence play on both teams. There is a group of 11 or 12 terps black players who only play for Terps black. Again there is a group of boys with trep black helmets that are lucky enough to get playing time on both teams.

when you were young didn't your mother tell you that it's better to let people think your dumb, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. have a nice day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What makes you the expert on terps black? And why do you spend your time keeping track of the black? and fyi, we are playing this weekend!

So you are saying that NONE of the Terps black players will be playing on any of the other Express teams in the LI Laxfest? It hasn't happened yet so it seems very doubtful.

If you are a terp parent then you must have seen from last weekend that not all blacks have the same ability. Just because the helmet says terps black big deal - everyone knows who belongs there and who doesn't. It's a shame that some parents have pushed their child onto a team that just doesn't benefit them aka playing time. And now all this baloney is written about black players playing for reg terps - come on! They were on terps to begin with AFTER the team was divided. until daddy cried and also some didn't even make terps originally but somehow ended up on black. So I can see how this is confusing to outsiders.
Express Parent-

This Terps/Terps Black drama is very entertaining...why not end it for all, 1 permanent Terp Black team, 1 Terp team..no switching...and if a parent is unhappy with where their son is placed just do what many other caring parents have done in the past and go start your own team so you can say your son plays on a AA team...

the jesters and outlaws have played twice and tied twice. Once in obll, and once at jdif

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]True Blue 2017 is playing Express Wolverines, True Blue 2016 is playing Tenacious Turtles. [/quote

True Blue A is playing the Wolverines? Ouch........

Wait, wasn't it said that TB plays the tough schedule?

So Mr Lax know-it-all who is playing the TOUGH schedule. Please enlighten us all with your vast Lax knowelege and bracket evaluation........knucklehead!

Sorry, wasnt I that said that TB & Black play the tough schedules. Just an observation. No need for the name calling

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What makes you the expert on terps black? And why do you spend your time keeping track of the black? and fyi, we are playing this weekend!

So you are saying that NONE of the Terps black players will be playing on any of the other Express teams in the LI Laxfest? It hasn't happened yet so it seems very doubtful.

Express Parent-

i would think the same 6-7 terps black players that are on both rosters will be playing with reg terps because its the SAME 6-7 that do always do!

so that makes it ok.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What makes you the expert on terps black? And why do you spend your time keeping track of the black? and fyi, we are playing this weekend!

So you are saying that NONE of the Terps black players will be playing on any of the other Express teams in the LI Laxfest? It hasn't happened yet so it seems very doubtful.

Express Parent-

i would think the same 6-7 terps black players that are on both rosters will be playing with reg terps because its the SAME 6-7 that do always do!

so that makes it ok.

No, it makes it what the HEAD COACH made it! And if any terps or terps black people are mad about it than they should've left or told MC their feelings. And if any of you have an issue with it you ALSO should contact MC, but you won't.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think everyone on this list is playing this weekend with the exception of Terps Black? Jesters, fl$, GC17, Terps, and 91 Orange are all at LI Laxfest. Outlaws are at Summer Slam in NJ, True Blue is at Maverick as are the Turtles.

Should be a great weekend.

The Terps Black team isn't playing this weekend but ALL of there players will be playing on the Terps and the other Express 2017 teams!

Seriously, get a life! You are a silly little person!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the jesters and outlaws have played twice and tied twice. Once in obll, and once at jdif

Great day for some great lacrosse at Laxfest! Good luck to all 2017 teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What makes you the expert on terps black? And why do you spend your time keeping track of the black? and fyi, we are playing this weekend!

So you are saying that NONE of the Terps black players will be playing on any of the other Express teams in the LI Laxfest? It hasn't happened yet so it seems very doubtful.

Express Parent-

i would think the same 6-7 terps black players that are on both rosters will be playing with reg terps because its the SAME 6-7 that do always do!

so that makes it ok.

No, it makes it what the HEAD COACH made it! And if any terps or terps black people are mad about it than they should've left or told MC their feelings. And if any of you have an issue with it you ALSO should contact MC, but you won't.

& if the HEAD COACH told you to jump off a bridge would you do it? Its just wrong!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What makes you the expert on terps black? And why do you spend your time keeping track of the black? and fyi, we are playing this weekend!

So you are saying that NONE of the Terps black players will be playing on any of the other Express teams in the LI Laxfest? It hasn't happened yet so it seems very doubtful.

Express Parent-

i would think the same 6-7 terps black players that are on both rosters will be playing with reg terps because its the SAME 6-7 that do always do!

so that makes it ok.

No, it makes it what the HEAD COACH made it! And if any terps or terps black people are mad about it than they should've left or told MC their feelings. And if any of you have an issue with it you ALSO should contact MC, but you won't.

& if the HEAD COACH told you to jump off a bridge would you do it? Its just wrong!!

Yes I agree, but if people are ok in that environment I feel it's their business.

Outlaws Dad don't worry

I noticed quite a few Terps black helmets playing in the LI laxfest today even though the Terps black aren't playing. FACT!

U13 Team Long Island White Beat a very Good 2017 CNY Roadhawks
last night. Team Long looks Strong. Playing up as usual in the Maverick Shhotout 9A Division . Will be tough

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I noticed quite a few Terps black helmets playing in the LI laxfest today even though the Terps black aren't playing. FACT!

True, same kids that play with them ALL THE TIME. Which has been stated on here about 100,000 times. Can't get nuttin by u!

the regergitation of the issue of (of some Terps with Terps black helmets, playing with their team, the Terps ) on this thread is like watching the movie Groundhog Day. you people Are like a dog with a bone; give it a rest.

why don't you focus on something more important like Obama stripping us of all of our constitutional rights, by in essence shredding the Bill. of Rights through all of his executive orders. Now there is something you can sink your teeth into. surely you can come up with another 139 pages of commentary on that.

Talk about beating a dead horse. Nobody has bashed the Turtles for a least 2 pages. Maybe we can bash the Turtles on odd days & bash Terps Black on even days, to make it fair! God forbid we go one day without trashing one team or another.

Here is a positive comment. 3v played 91 orange and nearly stole one losing only 6-4. They are a tough bunch of kids who play hard every day.

I really don't think anyone cares if terp black players play on the terp team. The question really is ... Why play "b" bracket in tournaments. Those 8 terp black players help make you a very competitive team ... Why not challenge your team and play "A" ? Clearly the answer is its all about winning ! Wake up terp parents ... This approach isn't helping your kids become better players.

Terps Black are playing Laxachusetts twice at FOD in Sunday. Should be a good set of games.

Are people really this dense. Is it possible that these are Terp team players, that are actually playing up on the Terps Black team in order to improve their game? No, that can't be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I really don't think anyone cares if terp black players play on the terp team. The question really is ... Why play "b" bracket in tournaments. Those 8 terp black players help make you a very competitive team ... Why not challenge your team and play "A" ? Clearly the answer is its all about winning ! Wake up terp parents ... This approach isn't helping your kids become better players.

Be careful what you ask for. If they do "wake up" as you suggest and leave Express it may be to come to the team you play for and it may be your kids spot they take.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I really don't think anyone cares if terp black players play on the terp team. The question really is ... Why play "b" bracket in tournaments. Those 8 terp black players help make you a very competitive team ... Why not challenge your team and play "A" ? Clearly the answer is its all about winning ! Wake up terp parents ... This approach isn't helping your kids become better players.

Be careful what you ask for. If they do "wake up" as you suggest and leave Express it may be to come to the team you play for and it may be your kids spot they take.

OK, let's do this. Are you folks going to apply some nonsense exuses as to why the Express played their best Black players in a "B" group? How much more can you people tolerate? You are teaching your kids how to be used like toilet paper. Drop out of the "A" bracket, and beef the "B" team up with some fantastic players. When do you suckers walk away? You are NOT going to benefit, although you all THINK, and have been TOLD that you will.Man, kids who have played in A divisions for YEARS. C'mon, let's do this.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I really don't think anyone cares if terp black players play on the terp team. The question really is ... Why play "b" bracket in tournaments. Those 8 terp black players help make you a very competitive team ... Why not challenge your team and play "A" ? Clearly the answer is its all about winning ! Wake up terp parents ... This approach isn't helping your kids become better players.

hello. The Express. SO SLEAZY. Clearly A players, even AA or above, played in B at Farmingdale today. What a class act. We personally know half of that team, with their Terps Black helmets. The most confusing aspect of this is your loyalty to being bent-over, parents. Top shelf stuff!

Be careful what you ask for. If they do "wake up" as you suggest and leave Express it may be to come to the team you play for and it may be your kids spot they take.

There were no AA type players from Terps Black at the Laxfest today, just a few guys who needed some extra work and playing time. Terps Black played two games in the morning against Laxachusetts .

Wow that's interesting a bunch of feels black kids that were at laxfest will be down in md next week for brine

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were no AA type players from Terps Black at the Laxfest today, just a few guys who needed some extra work and playing time. Terps Black played two games in the morning against Laxachusetts .

Is that sarcasm? Because those players are all starters from that express black team, I doubt "extra work" is an issue.

Understand patriots beat chargers in finals with NE Storm in third. Is this correct? Not too far off my guesses. Would like to know details. How did the LI teams do? Would like to know scores

Was at summer slam. Both Bbl and fever were tough competitors with big middies that dominated the midfield. Don't know how the finals ended though. If anyone knows pls tell.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were no AA type players from Terps Black at the Laxfest today, just a few guys who needed some extra work and playing time. Terps Black played two games in the morning against Laxachusetts .

That is true. But for some reason where our boys play clearly are other peoples business. None of the impact players played in laxfest. The ones that played do not play when the going gets tough. Doesn't matter how many times this is stated so just goes to show the IQ of some of these parents that are making a fuss.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I noticed quite a few Terps black helmets playing in the LI laxfest today even though the Terps black aren't playing. FACT!

Are people really this dense. Is it possible that these are Terp team players, that are actually playing up on the Terps Black team in order to improve their game? No, that can't be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I really don't think anyone cares if terp black players play on the terp team. The question really is ... Why play "b" bracket in tournaments. Those 8 terp black players help make you a very competitive team ... Why not challenge your team and play "A" ? Clearly the answer is its all about winning ! Wake up terp parents ... This approach isn't helping your kids become better players.

Be careful what you ask for. If they do "wake up" as you suggest and leave Express it may be to come to the team you play for and it may be your kids spot they take.

OK, let's do this. Are you folks going to apply some nonsense exuses as to why the Express played their best Black players in a "B" group? How much more can you people tolerate? You are teaching your kids how to be used like toilet paper. Drop out of the "A" bracket, and beef the "B" team up with some fantastic players. When do you suckers walk away? You are NOT going to benefit, although you all THINK, and have been TOLD that you will.Man, kids who have played in A divisions for YEARS. C'mon, let's do this.....

Are people really this dense. Is it possible that these are Terp team players, that are actually playing up on the Terps Black team in order to improve their game? No, that can't be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were no AA type players from Terps Black at the Laxfest today, just a few guys who needed some extra work and playing time. Terps Black played two games in the morning against Laxachusetts .

Correct.

Are people really this dense. Is it possible that these are Terp team players, that are actually playing up on the Terps Black team in order to improve their game? No, that can't be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I really don't think anyone cares if terp black players play on the terp team. The question really is ... Why play "b" bracket in tournaments. Those 8 terp black players help make you a very competitive team ... Why not challenge your team and play "A" ? Clearly the answer is its all about winning ! Wake up terp parents ... This approach isn't helping your kids become better players.

hello. The Express. SO SLEAZY. Clearly A players, even AA or above, played in B at Farmingdale today. What a class act. We personally know half of that team, with their Terps Black helmets. The most confusing aspect of this is your loyalty to being bent-over, parents. Top shelf stuff!

Be careful what you ask for. If they do "wake up" as you suggest and leave Express it may be to come to the team you play for and it may be your kids spot they take.

Are people really this dense. Is it possible that these are Terp team players, that are actually playing up on the Terps Black team in order to improve their game? No, that can't be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are people really this dense. Is it possible that these are Terp team players, that are actually playing up on the Terps Black team in order to improve their game? No, that can't be.

Perfect post! I agree and really wonder about the intelligence of some of these posters!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps Black are playing Laxachusetts twice at FOD in Sunday. Should be a good set of games.

How'd they do?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were no AA type players from Terps Black at the Laxfest today, just a few guys who needed some extra work and playing time. Terps Black played two games in the morning against Laxachusetts .

Thank you for your voice of truth!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were no AA type players from Terps Black at the Laxfest today, just a few guys who needed some extra work and playing time. Terps Black played two games in the morning against Laxachusetts .

Really? I'm not going to name names of 14 year olds on here but, please don't lie about it. They are DEFINITELY some of the better Black players playing in a B division! The whole thing is just WRONG for kids on all sides of the situation!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were no AA type players from Terps Black at the Laxfest today, just a few guys who needed some extra work and playing time. Terps Black played two games in the morning against Laxachusetts .

So the black team SHOULD play B division? I'm confused. You nearly force me to actually use names. You are very smart for coaxing this. Should several players from the prior few year's 2017 Orange team play in B? How bout the team which was above them in this organization? I'll tell you what would garnish respect from people; if somebody admitted that this is sleazy behavior.....cheating. Go to another club, folks. You're goin down with the ship!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were no AA type players from Terps Black at the Laxfest today, just a few guys who needed some extra work and playing time. Terps Black played two games in the morning against Laxachusetts .

1 of the best if not the best terms black long pole played in the lax fest I seen him playing!

Get a life! How long are you going to keep this up? You are clearly angry at the Express for something? There is a clear personnel axe to grind here. You keep saying the same thing over and over. Why are you so worried what the Express does? Worry about your own team. I am sure there are many issues there. There are some issues at every organization. Everyone has to make a choice and pick what is best for them and their kids. It sounds like you think you know better than the people on the Terps/ Terps Black? That sounds a little crazy don�t you think? Were you part of the Terps/Terps Black before? If you think you know better, so be it but we are all tired of hearing it. Pages and pages of this crap.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were no AA type players from Terps Black at the Laxfest today, just a few guys who needed some extra work and playing time. Terps Black played two games in the morning against Laxachusetts .

1 of the best if not the best terms black long pole played in the lax fest I seen him playing!

"I seen him".... WOW. You sure, maybe you saweded him??? lol.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Get a life! How long are you going to keep this up? You are clearly angry at the Express for something? There is a clear personnel axe to grind here. You keep saying the same thing over and over. Why are you so worried what the Express does? Worry about your own team. I am sure there are many issues there. There are some issues at every organization. Everyone has to make a choice and pick what is best for them and their kids. It sounds like you think you know better than the people on the Terps/ Terps Black? That sounds a little crazy don�t you think? Were you part of the Terps/Terps Black before? If you think you know better, so be it but we are all tired of hearing it. Pages and pages of this crap.

It really doesn't matter who Terps bring down to Baltimore in 2 weekends at the Crabs tourney..they will get beat by the Crabs, Breakers, FCA or VLC..doesn't matter who they bring! In the end the Turtles are the Express AA team, anything else is a B or C team.
-not a Long Island parent

I see the Express " Kool-Aid " is extra strong this year. Its not about hating Express , its about common decency & fair play for 13 & 14 year olds. If the "terps" enter a "B" division for a tournament they should not bring "A" level players with them to secure a win. How about a novel idea - invite the top players from "Piranhas" to play up with the "terps" in the "B" division. I'm sure the parents of the better "piranha" players would really appreciate such an invite.

does anyone really care that the "Terps Purple" or whatever theyre calling themselves won the "B" bracket......

Now back to the real story of the weekend:

91 Orange went 6-0, beat the Jesters in the semifinals and Laxachussetts in the finals to win the "A" bracket

3 out of the 4 teams in the "A" playoffs were Long Island clubs..

Great showing by the "A" Long Island teams this weekend

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were no AA type players from Terps Black at the Laxfest today, just a few guys who needed some extra work and playing time. Terps Black played two games in the morning against Laxachusetts .

1 of the best if not the best terms black long pole played in the lax fest I seen him playing!

Truth be told, their were 3 players with long poles in their hands from TERPS BLACK played yesterday for the regular Terp team, all 3 are 1st line defensive/impact players from TERPS BLACK that are NOT on regular Terps. Ive witnessed regular Terps play three times in past few weeks, these players were NOT there until yesterday. Its wrong on many levels, Express been doing this for years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

does anyone really care that the "Terps Purple" or whatever theyre calling themselves won the "B" bracket......

Now back to the real story of the weekend:

91 Orange went 6-0, beat the Jesters in the semifinals and Laxachussetts in the finals to win the "A" bracket

3 out of the 4 teams in the "A" playoffs were Long Island clubs..

Great showing by the "A" Long Island teams this weekend

91?? LOL. Great job at winning the tournament you CONTROL!! You bracketed it to avoid Gladiators (toughest team in the tournament with your 91 team).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

does anyone really care that the "Terps Purple" or whatever theyre calling themselves won the "B" bracket......

Now back to the real story of the weekend:

91 Orange went 6-0, beat the Jesters in the semifinals and Laxachussetts in the finals to win the "A" bracket

3 out of the 4 teams in the "A" playoffs were Long Island clubs..

Great showing by the "A" Long Island teams this weekend

91?? LOL. Great job at winning the tournament you CONTROL!! You bracketed it to avoid Gladiators (toughest team in the tournament with your 91 team).

They still had to win the games they played like everyone else. Gladiators lost in the semifinals to Laxachussetts. Im not a 91 parent and I get your point about the way they bracketed themselves, but at the end of the day they had to play and win the games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Get a life! How long are you going to keep this up? You are clearly angry at the Express for something? There is a clear personnel axe to grind here. You keep saying the same thing over and over. Why are you so worried what the Express does? Worry about your own team. I am sure there are many issues there. There are some issues at every organization. Everyone has to make a choice and pick what is best for them and their kids. It sounds like you think you know better than the people on the Terps/ Terps Black? That sounds a little crazy don�t you think? Were you part of the Terps/Terps Black before? If you think you know better, so be it but we are all tired of hearing it. Pages and pages of this crap.

It really doesn't matter who Terps bring down to Baltimore in 2 weekends at the Crabs tourney..they will get beat by the Crabs, Breakers, FCA or VLC..doesn't matter who they bring! In the end the Turtles are the Express AA team, anything else is a B or C team.
-not a Long Island parent

haha, your a liar! You wouldn't happen to be "that" turtle parent would you???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I see the Express " Kool-Aid " is extra strong this year. Its not about hating Express , its about common decency & fair play for 13 & 14 year olds. If the "terps" enter a "B" division for a tournament they should not bring "A" level players with them to secure a win. How about a novel idea - invite the top players from "Piranhas" to play up with the "terps" in the "B" division. I'm sure the parents of the better "piranha" players would really appreciate such an invite.

LMAO, thats funny!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

does anyone really care that the "Terps Purple" or whatever theyre calling themselves won the "B" bracket......

Now back to the real story of the weekend:

91 Orange went 6-0, beat the Jesters in the semifinals and Laxachussetts in the finals to win the "A" bracket

3 out of the 4 teams in the "A" playoffs were Long Island clubs..

Great showing by the "A" Long Island teams this weekend

91?? LOL. Great job at winning the tournament you CONTROL!! You bracketed it to avoid Gladiators (toughest team in the tournament with your 91 team).

They still had to win the games they played like everyone else. Gladiators lost in the semifinals to Laxachussetts. Im not a 91 parent and I get your point about the way they bracketed themselves, but at the end of the day they had to play and win the games.

I agree that 91 had to win games to be crown champions yesterday in their tournament and i know 91 is a really good team! But, you can't avoid the strong tournaments if you are suppose to be a "elite team".

Hand picked opponents by the coach, not the kids fault at all! Is 91 in the Crab tournament in early July?? I heard the list of teams is TOPS in the Nation in 2017!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

does anyone really care that the "Terps Purple" or whatever theyre calling themselves won the "B" bracket......

Now back to the real story of the weekend:

91 Orange went 6-0, beat the Jesters in the semifinals and Laxachussetts in the finals to win the "A" bracket

3 out of the 4 teams in the "A" playoffs were Long Island clubs..

Great showing by the "A" Long Island teams this weekend

91?? LOL. Great job at winning the tournament you CONTROL!! You bracketed it to avoid Gladiators (toughest team in the tournament with your 91 team).

They still had to win the games they played like everyone else. Gladiators lost in the semifinals to Laxachussetts. Im not a 91 parent and I get your point about the way they bracketed themselves, but at the end of the day they had to play and win the games.

Amazing! You all are such fools arguing over whihc team whihc and who avoided whom. These boys are 143/14 years old (at least most of the kids from LI are). Sometimes kids play well and sometimes they won;t. Laxachusetts made it to the final, but tied (and nearly lost to fl$. Gladiators thumped fl$. 91 beat Laxachuseets. . In each of these games you saw some good play and some poor play, but mostly you saw good competition. And that's what this should be about and not about whihc team beat which, because on any given day and any given game one of these teams can beat the other or tie the other.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were no AA type players from Terps Black at the Laxfest today, just a few guys who needed some extra work and playing time. Terps Black played two games in the morning against Laxachusetts .

1 of the best if not the best terms black long pole played in the lax fest I seen him playing!

Truth be told, their were 3 players with long poles in their hands from TERPS BLACK played yesterday for the regular Terp team, all 3 are 1st line defensive/impact players from TERPS BLACK that are NOT on regular Terps. Ive witnessed regular Terps play three times in past few weeks, these players were NOT there until yesterday. Its wrong on many levels, Express been doing this for years.

ON saturday the "true" express terps C team played their 2 games.Than on sunday express terps "black" B team played. All in the b division.I guess express terps "black" B team did not want to play in the 8 th grade "A" division against team 91 orange ,gladiators , jesters and laxachussetts.so, express terps "black" B team need their own tournamnet at " field of dreams "............

CLASSIC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ON saturday the "true" express terps C team played their 2 games.Than on sunday express terps "black" B team played. All in the b division.I guess express terps "black" B team did not want to play in the 8 th grade "A" division against team 91 orange ,gladiators , jesters and laxachussetts.so, express terps "black" B team need their own tournamnet at " field of dreams "............

CLASSIC

Not entirely true because I watched a Terps game on saturday morning that had the best Terps Black long playing in it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

does anyone really care that the "Terps Purple" or whatever theyre calling themselves won the "B" bracket......

Now back to the real story of the weekend:

91 Orange went 6-0, beat the Jesters in the semifinals and Laxachussetts in the finals to win the "A" bracket

3 out of the 4 teams in the "A" playoffs were Long Island clubs..

Great showing by the "A" Long Island teams this weekend

91?? LOL. Great job at winning the tournament you CONTROL!! You bracketed it to avoid Gladiators (toughest team in the tournament with your 91 team).

They still had to win the games they played like everyone else. Gladiators lost in the semifinals to Laxachussetts. Im not a 91 parent and I get your point about the way they bracketed themselves, but at the end of the day they had to play and win the games.

I agree that 91 had to win games to be crown champions yesterday in their tournament and i know 91 is a really good team! But, you can't avoid the strong tournaments if you are suppose to be a "elite team".

Hand picked opponents by the coach, not the kids fault at all! Is 91 in the Crab tournament in early July?? I heard the list of teams is TOPS in the Nation in 2017!

91 is not in the Crab tourney...this is the best around...Crabs very selective about who comes...always great competition..no easy brackets, no easy way to the championship. Would like to see FCA included in the lineup..anyone coming down, try to schedule a game against FCA, think Express is playing them Fri night

If the Gladiators won they would have played 91. They lost to Laxachussets & 91 beat them decisively. How is that bracketing?
Part 2 turtle poles should not play in a B division.
Part 3 Did 91 remove the Terps Black or TB From the tournament or did they drop out?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were no AA type players from Terps Black at the Laxfest today, just a few guys who needed some extra work and playing time. Terps Black played two games in the morning against Laxachusetts .

1 of the best if not the best terms black long pole played in the lax fest I seen him playing!

Truth be told, their were 3 players with long poles in their hands from TERPS BLACK played yesterday for the regular Terp team, all 3 are 1st line defensive/impact players from TERPS BLACK that are NOT on regular Terps. Ive witnessed regular Terps play three times in past few weeks, these players were NOT there until yesterday. Its wrong on many levels, Express been doing this for years.

ON saturday the "true" express terps C team played their 2 games.Than on sunday express terps "black" B team played. All in the b division.I guess express terps "black" B team did not want to play in the 8 th grade "A" division against team 91 orange ,gladiators , jesters and laxachussetts.so, express terps "black" B team need their own tournamnet at " field of dreams "............

CLASSIC

What team is your son on??? Please share, try not to lie.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the Gladiators won they would have played 91. They lost to Laxachussets & 91 beat them decisively. How is that bracketing?
Part 2 turtle poles should not play in a B division.
Part 3 Did 91 remove the Terps Black or TB From the tournament or did they drop out?

Part 4 Its bracketing because 91 AVOIDED Gladiators in pool play to insure a playoff spot
Part 5 turtle pole?
Part 6 Dropped out? I doubt HIGHLY that Terps Black and TB dropped out of the little LI Laxfest "A" division. Both those teams are in Baltimore playing in crabs tourney, like them or not but those two teams don't duck anyone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the Gladiators won they would have played 91. They lost to Laxachussets & 91 beat them decisively. How is that bracketing?
Part 2 turtle poles should not play in a B division.
Part 3 Did 91 remove the Terps Black or TB From the tournament or did they drop out?

Part 4 Its bracketing because 91 AVOIDED Gladiators in pool play to insure a playoff spot
Part 5 turtle pole?

Part 6 Dropped out? I doubt HIGHLY that Terps Black and TB dropped out of the little LI Laxfest "A" division. Both those teams are in Baltimore playing in crabs tourney, like them or not but those two teams don't duck anyone.

Terps black did not play in tourney. They played laxachussets

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the Gladiators won they would have played 91. They lost to Laxachussets & 91 beat them decisively. How is that bracketing?
Part 2 turtle poles should not play in a B division.
Part 3 Did 91 remove the Terps Black or TB From the tournament or did they drop out?

Part 4 Its bracketing because 91 AVOIDED Gladiators in pool play to insure a playoff spot
Part 5 turtle pole?
Part 6 Dropped out? I doubt HIGHLY that Terps Black and TB dropped out of the little LI Laxfest "A" division. Both those teams are in Baltimore playing in crabs tourney, like them or not but those two teams don't duck anyone.

Psrt 7 - 91 had it's last pool play game at 1215 while the south bracket teams played game on, game off right into the playoffs. Would be fair if each of the top 4 teams had the 2 plus hour break before the playoffs. Please read carefully - not saying the outcome would have changed but it would be fair. I realize that is a four letter word for some organizations.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were no AA type players from Terps Black at the Laxfest today, just a few guys who needed some extra work and playing time. Terps Black played two games in the morning against Laxachusetts .

1 of the best if not the best terms black long pole played in the lax fest I seen him playing!

Truth be told, their were 3 players with long poles in their hands from TERPS BLACK played yesterday for the regular Terp team, all 3 are 1st line defensive/impact players from TERPS BLACK that are NOT on regular Terps. Ive witnessed regular Terps play three times in past few weeks, these players were NOT there until yesterday. Its wrong on many levels, Express been doing this for years.

ON saturday the "true" express terps C team played their 2 games.Than on sunday express terps "black" B team played. All in the b division.I guess express terps "black" B team did not want to play in the 8 th grade "A" division against team 91 orange ,gladiators , jesters and laxachussetts.so, express terps "black" B team need their own tournamnet at " field of dreams "............

CLASSIC

What team is your son on??? Please share, try not to lie.

terps black, (and for all those who don't have a kid on the team I'll clarify) did not play in laxfest. Terps black and it's players that are not on both teams and are the better players played laxachussets. call it aaa players, aa team, whatever your heart desires. so some regular terps got to put black decals on their helmets and say they are on the team. if that's what the parents want for their kid then that's nobody's business but their own. so these kids get to play on the reg terms team that they were on originally in tourneys like laxfest.

While 91orange - TB blue -Gladiators - fl$ are all good teams , the Terps Black is the toughest ! Not only do they play the toughest 2017 teams in all the land (true), they have to play all the regular tournaments with a regular terp - piranha - or wolverine strapped to their backs ! That's a big responsibility to have to bring home the GOLD for all 2017 teams in the organization.

Here are the rankings from this weekend. Looks like everyone stays the same. 91 beat Jesters easily. Gladiators beat fl$. 91 didn�t play Gladiators? Garden city and Terps tied. True Blue didn�t play any of the top teams at Maverick.

1. Turtles.
2. Terps black.
3. True Blue
4. Gladiators
5. 91 Orange.
6. Outlaws Black.
7. fl$
8. Jesters Black.
9. Garden City 17
10 Terps.

Where can I buy Terp Black decals for my son's helmet? They sound nice, he would be excited to say he plays for them!

Tryouts were 6 months ago but now the Brine Nationals are a week away. Final rosters after some adds/drops are posted on their website. Anyone thoughts on the teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was not there and am curious if its OK to name the coaches that did the evaluations. Intrigued if the names on the list of players is loaded with their players.

- do you mean "the coaches with the strongest teams"? Are you wondering if THEY have the majority of the players making the team? That might not be so odd.

Let's face it the best teams might have 10-15 great players but the other 10 might be coaches son, friend of said coach, someone's son who donated or has some connections in some other field etc. It's all who you know.

OK, I faced it...I had my son, who has played with/against all of these boys for years, look at the list of 20 boys picked. He felt all of them (including both coaches sons) are incredible players who should be on the team. Are there 1 or 2 that might be interchangable with 1 or 2 of the players called back for another tryout this weekend? Maybe. From what we are told, they are picking 5 more players & putting together another team. Great idea...maybe you guys from this site should do the evaluating for that team because you all sound very unbiased. Hahaha (that was a joke:) It's not all "who you know" Its how talented you are, how hard you work & catching the attention of a very good coach! Thats the lesson you should be teaching your children, not this ridiculousness!Please stop taking away from these VERY talented boys!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were no AA type players from Terps Black at the Laxfest today, just a few guys who needed some extra work and playing time. Terps Black played two games in the morning against Laxachusetts .

1 of the best if not the best terms black long pole played in the lax fest I seen him playing!

Truth be told, their were 3 players with long poles in their hands from TERPS BLACK played yesterday for the regular Terp team, all 3 are 1st line defensive/impact players from TERPS BLACK that are NOT on regular Terps. Ive witnessed regular Terps play three times in past few weeks, these players were NOT there until yesterday. Its wrong on many levels, Express been doing this for years.

ON saturday the "true" express terps C team played their 2 games.Than on sunday express terps "black" B team played. All in the b division.I guess express terps "black" B team did not want to play in the 8 th grade "A" division against team 91 orange ,gladiators , jesters and laxachussetts.so, express terps "black" B team need their own tournamnet at " field of dreams "............

CLASSIC

What team is your son on??? Please share, try not to lie.

terps black, (and for all those who don't have a kid on the team I'll clarify) did not play in laxfest. Terps black and it's players that are not on both teams and are the better players played laxachussets. call it aaa players, aa team, whatever your heart desires. so some regular terps got to put black decals on their helmets and say they are on the team. if that's what the parents want for their kid then that's nobody's business but their own. so these kids get to play on the reg terms team that they were on originally in tourneys like laxfest.

So your a terps black parent admitting that your team is "B" team? Are you the person who typed that Terps is "C" and Terps Black is "B" and than capped it off with the word "CLASSIC"- was that you?

Baltimore Top 10 after the Greene Turtle Invitational:
1)Crabs
2)Breakers
3)VLC
4)FCA
5)MadLax
6)Greene Turtle
7)Annapolis Hawks
8)Club Blue
9)MadLax-Rock
10)Fearless
Crabs beat Breakers in championship, VLC lost to Crabs in semis, Breakers beat MadLax in semis...FCA lost to VLC in OT earlier then beat Greene Turtle by 10 in the losers bracket game...very close games among the top 5

[quote=Anonymous]Here are the rankings from this weekend. Looks like everyone stays the same. 91 beat Jesters easily. Gladiators beat fl$. 91 didn�t play Gladiators? Garden city and Terps tied. True Blue didn�t play any of the top teams at Maverick.

You say 91 beat Jesters "easily", please it was Jesters 4-3 at the half way point. 91 then had a run and result was 9-4 after Jesters changed goalies. Yes, 91 won, but relax you have a good face off kid and second goalie option for Jesters was weaker.

I don't think any PLAYERS on either side would say easy....

It was a good game.

So is this what the 2017 group has to look forward to after each tournament this summer?

Yes, I am on the 'Terps and Terps Black should not share players' band wagon but I don�t think we should resurrect that topic every week.

It seems that after each tournament the threads on this forum focus on the age of the out of state teams, how the brackets lined up, and how many Terps Black helmets were on the field. There was some very good lacrosse played last weekend in Farmingdale and all we seem to care about are the rosters.

Let's face the fact that teams and school districts outside of Long Island have different age cutoffs. We are going to see this all summer long. Also, unless an independent auditor performs the seeding, someone will always be upset with the brackets. And lastly the only thing Express is going to do about the Terps/Terps Black rosters is to continue to tick off all the other 2017 teams on LI.

We wait all season for the summer tournaments and this is what we want to talk about!?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]There were no AA type players from Terps Black at the Laxfest today, just a few guys who needed some extra work and playing time. Terps Black played two games in the morning against Laxachusetts .

1 of the best if not the best terms black long pole played in the lax fest I seen him playing!

ON saturday the "true" express terps C team played their 2 games.Than on sunday express terps "black" B team played. All in the b division.I guess express terps "black" B team did not want to play in the 8 th grade "A" division against team 91 orange ,gladiators , jesters and laxachussetts.so, express terps "black" B team need their own tournamnet at " field of dreams "............

CLASSIC

What team is your son on??? Please share, try not to lie.

terps black, (and for all those who don't have a kid on the team I'll clarify) did not play in laxfest. Terps black and it's players that are not on both teams and are the better players played laxachussets. call it aaa players, aa team, whatever your heart desires. so some regular terps got to put black decals on their helmets and say they are on the team. if that's what the parents want for their kid then that's nobody's business but their own. so these kids get to play on the reg terms team that they were on originally in tourneys like laxfest.

So your a terps black parent admitting that your team is "B" team? Are you the person who typed that Terps is "C" and Terps Black is "B" and than capped it off with the word "CLASSIC"- was that you?

You're an idiot. Thats not what he said. Read the post. And FYI, the kids put on both teams is so they can get playing time bc it doesn't happen (or very little) in competitive game on black.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where can I buy Terp Black decals for my son's helmet? They sound nice, he would be excited to say he plays for them!

yea, can you believe it? finally i'm understanding the 2 team setup.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So is this what the 2017 group has to look forward to after each tournament this summer?

Yes, I am on the 'Terps and Terps Black should not share players' band wagon but I don�t think we should resurrect that topic every

Perhaps, then, the onus should be upon the organization committing the sleaziness? You seem to be like the abused wife, excusing the offender. Good lesson. Maybe the Express should be able to tie in the B divisions, using A and AA players, keeping those teams whom are working hard to improve from earning this accomplishment.

It seems that after each tournament the threads on this forum focus on the age of the out of state teams, how the brackets lined up, and how many Terps Black helmets were on the field. There was some very good lacrosse played last weekend in Farmingdale and all we seem to care about are the rosters.

Let's face the fact that teams and school districts outside of Long Island have different age cutoffs. We are going to see this all summer long. Also, unless an independent auditor performs the seeding, someone will always be upset with the brackets. And lastly the only thing Express is going to do about the Terps/Terps Black rosters is to continue to tick off all the other 2017 teams on LI.

We wait all season for the summer tournaments and this is what we want to talk about!?

Please explain or justify- last yrs 2017 Orange kids, Turtle pole, etc. Please work up a nice excuse, then stick with the club for more reaming. Great example

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Here are the rankings from this weekend. Looks like everyone stays the same. 91 beat Jesters easily. Gladiators beat fl$. 91 didn�t play Gladiators? Garden city and Terps tied. True Blue didn�t play any of the top teams at Maverick.

You say 91 beat Jesters "easily", please it was Jesters 4-3 at the half way point. 91 then had a run and result was 9-4 after Jesters changed goalies. Yes, 91 won, but relax you have a good face off kid and second goalie option for Jesters was weaker.

I don't think any PLAYERS on either side would say easy....

But you will put it on your goalie? 91 only has a good face off kid & second goalie option? We're you at that game? It was tight @ half but, in the end the score was 9-4. Very good play all around! What was Gladiators score with laxachussetts & how did Black do against them in the morning?

It was a good game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

does anyone really care that the "Terps Purple" or whatever theyre calling themselves won the "B" bracket......

Now back to the real story of the weekend:

91 Orange went 6-0, beat the Jesters in the semifinals and Laxachussetts in the finals to win the "A" bracket

3 out of the 4 teams in the "A" playoffs were Long Island clubs..

Great showing by the "A" Long Island teams this weekend

91?? LOL. Great job at winning the tournament you CONTROL!! You bracketed it to avoid Gladiators (toughest team in the tournament with your 91 team).

They still had to win the games they played like everyone else. Gladiators lost in the semifinals to Laxachussetts. Im not a 91 parent and I get your point about the way they bracketed themselves, but at the end of the day they had to play and win the games.

I agree that 91 had to win games to be crown champions yesterday in their tournament and i know 91 is a really good team! But, you can't avoid the strong tournaments if you are suppose to be a "elite team".

Hand picked opponents by the coach, not the kids fault at all! Is 91 in the Crab tournament in early July?? I heard the list of teams is TOPS in the Nation in 2017!

please read through slowly, and note where this banana goes off the rails. One team's losing a game put them out, NOT tourney directors.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

does anyone really care that the "Terps Purple" or whatever theyre calling themselves won the "B" bracket......

Now back to the real story of the weekend:

91 Orange went 6-0, beat the Jesters in the semifinals and Laxachussetts in the finals to win the "A" bracket

3 out of the 4 teams in the "A" playoffs were Long Island clubs..

Great showing by the "A" Long Island teams this weekend

91?? LOL. Great job at winning the tournament you CONTROL!! You bracketed it to avoid Gladiators (toughest team in the tournament with your 91 team).

They still had to win the games they played like everyone else. Gladiators lost in the semifinals to Laxachussetts. Im not a 91 parent and I get your point about the way they bracketed themselves, but at the end of the day they had to play and win the games.

I agree that 91 had to win games to be crown champions yesterday in their tournament and i know 91 is a really good team! But, you can't avoid the strong tournaments if you are suppose to be a "elite team".

Hand picked opponents by the coach, not the kids fault at all! Is 91 in the Crab tournament in early July?? I heard the list of teams is TOPS in the Nation in 2017!

If you know anything about brackets the top teams aren't to meet each other until the semis/finals...91 played Jesters & Gladiators played laxachussetts in the semis (the top 4 teams) Exactly how it should have been set up! Gladiators lost, & 91 kept winning (without any new players added on) Never have, never will.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

does anyone really care that the "Terps Purple" or whatever theyre calling themselves won the "B" bracket......

Now back to the real story of the weekend:

91 Orange went 6-0, beat the Jesters in the semifinals and Laxachussetts in the finals to win the "A" bracket

3 out of the 4 teams in the "A" playoffs were Long Island clubs..

Great showing by the "A" Long Island teams this weekend

91?? LOL. Great job at winning the tournament you CONTROL!! You bracketed it to avoid Gladiators (toughest team in the tournament with your 91 team).

They still had to win the games they played like everyone else. Gladiators lost in the semifinals to Laxachussetts. Im not a 91 parent and I get your point about the way they bracketed themselves, but at the end of the day they had to play and win the games.

I agree that 91 had to win games to be crown champions yesterday in their tournament and i know 91 is a really good team! But, you can't avoid the strong tournaments if you are suppose to be a "elite team".

Hand picked opponents by the coach, not the kids fault at all! Is 91 in the Crab tournament in early July?? I heard the list of teams is TOPS in the Nation in 2017!

please read through slowly, and note where this banana goes off the rails. One team's losing a game put them out, NOT tourney directors.

Positioning (in pool play) is HALF the battle with two day tournaments. I don't like bananas.

Please.... 91 6th grade had one game on Sunday. Well rested for playoffs .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

does anyone really care that the "Terps Purple" or whatever theyre calling themselves won the "B" bracket......

Now back to the real story of the weekend:

91 Orange went 6-0, beat the Jesters in the semifinals and Laxachussetts in the finals to win the "A" bracket

3 out of the 4 teams in the "A" playoffs were Long Island clubs..

Great showing by the "A" Long Island teams this weekend

91?? LOL. Great job at winning the tournament you CONTROL!! You bracketed it to avoid Gladiators (toughest team in the tournament with your 91 team).

They still had to win the games they played like everyone else. Gladiators lost in the semifinals to Laxachussetts. Im not a 91 parent and I get your point about the way they bracketed themselves, but at the end of the day they had to play and win the games.

I agree that 91 had to win games to be crown champions yesterday in their tournament and i know 91 is a really good team! But, you can't avoid the strong tournaments if you are suppose to be a "elite team".

Hand picked opponents by the coach, not the kids fault at all! Is 91 in the Crab tournament in early July?? I heard the list of teams is TOPS in the Nation in 2017!

please read through slowly, and note where this banana goes off the rails. One team's losing a game put them out, NOT tourney directors.

Positioning (in pool play) is HALF the battle with two day tournaments. I don't like bananas.

So, gladiators & 91 should have come up against each other in the first round to knock one another out? They were 2 of the top 4 teams (according to the "bananas" on this site) You know NOTHING about brackets. In any sport the top "bananas" (1-4 as an example) are separated in the bracket to face each other in the semi/finals. The goal of a draw is to have the top teams play at the end of a tournament. If one should loose early it is not the tournament directors fault!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please.... 91 6th grade had one game on Sunday. Well rested for playoffs .

Same thing last year. What are the odds of having that luck 2 years in a row !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Here are the rankings from this weekend. Looks like everyone stays the same. 91 beat Jesters easily. Gladiators beat fl$. 91 didn�t play Gladiators? Garden city and Terps tied. True Blue didn�t play any of the top teams at Maverick.

You say 91 beat Jesters "easily", please it was Jesters 4-3 at the half way point. 91 then had a run and result was 9-4 after Jesters changed goalies. Yes, 91 won, but relax you have a good face off kid and second goalie option for Jesters was weaker.

I don't think any PLAYERS on either side would say easy....

It was a good game.

So the rankings stay the same this week? Amazing how the mind of a Terps daddy works? It started out based on who beat who & their brothers team last year. now it stays the same . You are a funny man!

Would a Laxachusettes Dad or Mom please inform us of how Terps black did this past weekend? The topic seems to be skirted or dodged.

The rankings stayed the same because no one beat someone a head of them and other teams didnt play each other. Not sure what your thought process is. How would you change them? Remember that you have to beat someone to take there place. Only Long Island count.So if you win or loss to an outer state team things stay the same? Example: Garden City & Terps tied so no change. Interested in what you think is wrong with the rankings??

Terps black played two different Laxachuttes teams, one at 8:00 am which Terps black won 12 -1. and another at 9:00 am which Terps black won 9-1. this was supposed to be an off weekend for terps black, so these were in essence pickup games

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryouts were 6 months ago but now the Brine Nationals are a week away. Final rosters after some adds/drops are posted on their website. Anyone thoughts on the teams?

Hearing a few injured players not making the trip - 2 Turts and an fl$. Still a very deep North team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was not there and am curious if its OK to name the coaches that did the evaluations. Intrigued if the names on the list of players is loaded with their players.

- do you mean "the coaches with the strongest teams"? Are you wondering if THEY have the majority of the players making the team? That might not be so odd.

Let's face it the best teams might have 10-15 great players but the other 10 might be coaches son, friend of said coach, someone's son who donated or has some connections in some other field etc. It's all who you know.

OK, I faced it...I had my son, who has played with/against all of these boys for years, look at the list of 20 boys picked. He felt all of them (including both coaches sons) are incredible players who should be on the team. Are there 1 or 2 that might be interchangable with 1 or 2 of the players called back for another tryout this weekend? Maybe. From what we are told, they are picking 5 more players & putting together another team. Great idea...maybe you guys from this site should do the evaluating for that team because you all sound very unbiased. Hahaha (that was a joke:) It's not all "who you know" Its how talented you are, how hard you work & catching the attention of a very good coach! Thats the lesson you should be teaching your children, not this ridiculousness!Please stop taking away from these VERY talented boys!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you know anything about brackets the top teams aren't to meet each other until the semis/finals...91 played Jesters & Gladiators played laxachussetts in the semis (the top 4 teams) Exactly how it should have been set up! Gladiators lost, & 91 kept winning (without any new players added on) Never have, never will.

So are you saying that the tournament organizers set the brackets up so these four teams would land in the playoffs? What about the selection videos??? (those have to be proof positive that the brackets are on the level

). Also, according to the unofficial rankings in the forum, fl$ has to be considered one of the top four teams, not Jesters. So, lets see, fl$, LAX-Black and Gladiators. What did all of these top 3 of 4 teams have in common. That's right, they had to play each other on the way to the play-offs. And, chances are two of them would land in the number 2 and 3 spots where they would have to play each other. Playing at least two of the top four teams during pool play would take it's toll on all three teams physically, in the loss column and in the goals against column.

Yes 91 Orange won their way to a championship and beat the best of the rest to do it. However, they only had to beat one of the other three best teams in the tournament to do it. If fl$, Gladiators or LAX-Black had won, they would have had to beat three of of the best teams in the division. One during pool play, one in the playoffs and one in the championship.

fl$ and Jesters are not one of the top teams. They are good teams but that is it. The Gladators and 91 will beat them 9 at of 10 times.

True Michigan at last check beat jesters and lost to 91. True would have beaten laxachussets too. So which was the better bracket? not all about the lLI teams!

Rankings, even in NCAA, change weekly. Good teams win some weeks and lose others. That's why the game is played. The unofficial rankings on this board should be taken lightly since they don't mean anything and are completely subjective. If you disagree with your spot, justify why you should be higher. If not, just accept it because its all for fun anyway. Look at the last NCAA d1 poll. Duke was #1 but the previous week were #8. #10Maryland was ranked #4 the week before. Is anyone going to argue that Duke and Maryland or any other top 10 team couldn't beat each other on a given day? If your 2017 team is even considered a top 10 for the age group, understand you could lose to one of the top teams any time. Yes, that includes 91 and the Terps etc. There is a ton of talent spread out among the teams. Enjoy the good competition and move on from this BS.

Totally agree. Both teams are good but not at the level of the top teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

fl$ and Jesters are not one of the top teams. They are good teams but that is it. The Gladators and 91 will beat them 9 at of 10 times.

Says who? Enlighten us with your lax knowledge! fl$ and the Jesters are both very good lacrosse teams and will be competitive throughout the summer. The top teams (as you call them)definitely have more depth of talent.

The Jesters played 91 Orange very tough for most of the game. The 91 Orange face off kid took over and 91 controlled the play for the last 15 mins of the game. 91 is too talented of a team to give them possessions so naturally they went on a run and put the game out of reach.

Be careful with your blanket statements.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True Michigan at last check beat jesters and lost to 91. True would have beaten laxachussets too. So which was the better bracket? not all about the lLI teams!

They also lost to Three Village decisively.......report the whole story please

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Totally agree. Both teams are good but not at the level of the top teams.

I realize that this concept is difficult for you to process but fl$ actually plays everyone equally regardless of the game and they are still competitive. I would love to see the results of your so-called 'top teams' if they did the same. One thing that is indisputable is that fl$'s top players are as good or better then anyone out there.

From an non-Long Islander...
Can any 2017 team on Long Island beat the Tenacious Turtles?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please explain or justify- last yrs 2017 Orange kids, Turtle pole, etc. Please work up a nice excuse, then stick with the club for more reaming. Great example

Last years orange kids? Some of those didn't even make the top team this year. Or I should say before all the shenanigans....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From an non-Long Islander...
Can any 2017 team on Long Island beat the Tenacious Turtles?

Non Turtle folks on here, have you ever noticed all the "NON LONG ISLAND" lacrosse people that are really BIG Turtle fans??? Too funny.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From an non-Long Islander...
Can any 2017 team on Long Island beat the Tenacious Turtles?

No...not that we've seen. 91 played them indoors over the winter and lost by more then double digits. I know its indoors but they didn't show any signs of competing

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From an non-Long Islander...
Can any 2017 team on Long Island beat the Tenacious Turtles?

not likely

They havent lost to a 2017 team yet so the odds are against it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Totally agree. Both teams are good but not at the level of the top teams.

I realize that this concept is difficult for you to process but fl$ actually plays everyone equally regardless of the game and they are still competitive. I would love to see the results of your so-called 'top teams' if they did the same. One thing that is indisputable is that fl$'s top players are as good or better then anyone out there.

So they have no man-up or man-down teams?

Which of the current 2017 teams have hey beat?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Which of the current 2017 teams have hey beat?

The Turtles put their tournament schedule on their website for all to see. Any of the other clubs can enter the same tournaments in the same divisions and if they win enough games they will meet the Turtles in the playoffs or finals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From an non-Long Islander...
Can any 2017 team on Long Island beat the Tenacious Turtles?

Probably not. But, I bet if you look at the birthdates of several players, they are older 2017 kids. I have no problem with this since it's well within the rules many tournaments have for grade based play. My suspicion is that's why they'll be at the U-15 championships this summer since a few/many of them would not make the age cut off next year at freshman. Remember, the express team that won last summer was freshman and most 2016 team players on LI make the cut off this year for U-15.

I'm sure I'll be corrected but it's just a hunch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From an non-Long Islander...
Can any 2017 team on Long Island beat the Tenacious Turtles?

Probably not. But, I bet if you look at the birthdates of several players, they are older 2017 kids. I have no problem with this since it's well within the rules many tournaments have for grade based play. My suspicion is that's why they'll be at the U-15 championships this summer since a few/many of them would not make the age cut off next year at freshman. Remember, the express team that won last summer was freshman and most 2016 team players on LI make the cut off this year for U-15.

I'm sure I'll be corrected but it's just a hunch.

My guess is they have a tougher time down in Maryland in July..They may have cherry-picked the talent on Long Island, we'll see how they fare against Crabs et all...BTW, in the Brine National, are all the Turtles on the same Long Island team? Why not just come down as the Turtles?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From an non-Long Islander...
Can any 2017 team on Long Island beat the Tenacious Turtles?

Probably not. But, I bet if you look at the birthdates of several players, they are older 2017 kids. I have no problem with this since it's well within the rules many tournaments have for grade based play. My suspicion is that's why they'll be at the U-15 championships this summer since a few/many of them would not make the age cut off next year at freshman. Remember, the express team that won last summer was freshman and most 2016 team players on LI make the cut off this year for U-15.

I'm sure I'll be corrected but it's just a hunch.

another hater heard from with speculation based on no first hand knowledge. I guess if you just say it it will have to be true. Do you work for Newsday?

No LI 2017 will come close to playing with the Turtles. It would be a vistory to get to a five goal difference.

True Blue wasnt to impressive this weekend. Lost to the CT Chargers and struggled against a younger Team LI. Seem to be very up and down.

Does True Blue play any games away from Long Island?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From an non-Long Islander...
Can any 2017 team on Long Island beat the Tenacious Turtles?

Non Turtle folks on here, have you ever noticed all the "NON LONG ISLAND" lacrosse people that are really BIG Turtle fans??? Too funny.

Well, the Turtles are the only team that shows well off of Long Island...91...meh, Terp (Black, Blue or whatever color you choose, marginal...Gladiators decent...most others hide out on Long Island and compete with town teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From an non-Long Islander...
Can any 2017 team on Long Island beat the Tenacious Turtles?

Probably not. But, I bet if you look at the birthdates of several players, they are older 2017 kids. I have no problem with this since it's well within the rules many tournaments have for grade based play. My suspicion is that's why they'll be at the U-15 championships this summer since a few/many of them would not make the age cut off next year at freshman. Remember, the express team that won last summer was freshman and most 2016 team players on LI make the cut off this year for U-15.

I'm sure I'll be corrected but it's just a hunch.

another hater heard from with speculation based on no first hand knowledge. I guess if you just say it it will have to be true. Do you work for Newsday?

Not a hater at all. It's fun to watch them play. Great team players. I just gave an opinion. If I'm wrong abouth the age thing, please let me know since you seem to be on the inside track. Besdies, it's not too hard to look at several of the the boys physical maturity and place an age on them.

TB will be at Young Guns and Madlax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does True Blue play any games away from Long Island?

They were in Maryland a few weeks ago.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From an non-Long Islander...
Can any 2017 team on Long Island beat the Tenacious Turtles?

Non Turtle folks on here, have you ever noticed all the "NON LONG ISLAND" lacrosse people that are really BIG Turtle fans??? Too funny.

Well, the Turtles are the only team that shows well off of Long Island...91...meh, Terp (Black, Blue or whatever color you choose, marginal...Gladiators decent...most others hide out on Long Island and compete with town teams

Color is BLACK. Your sarcasm was trite.

Terps Black notable victories OFF LI-
Breakers
West Coast Stars
Dukes
Green Turtle
Westfiled CT
Tri State black
Superstar 2016

Played Crabs three times this season, lost all three within 4-5 goals

team ducks nobody.

Terps Black is NOT the #1 team in 2017 on LI, but "marginal" is a incorrect evaluation. Would be interested to see post of all the other 2017 victories off LI by 91, Gladiators, fl$, TB and the Turtles also.

Who cares if anyone can beat the Turtles or 91 or True Blue or the Terps. Some people on here have lost their way, because we all know at the end of the day, your HS coach or Coach Danowski at Duke does not really give a hoot if you were on the best or worst 8th grade summer travel team. I played a long time ago, never did I see the attacks on kids, teams, clubs..Its embarrassing. Why bash a team or kids if they are better or if they play up, down or sideways? I wonder how many people that post on here actually played the game or just like to sit behind their computer and create animosity. They have to because they live vicariously through their children..Its brutal.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a hater at all. It's fun to watch them play. Great team players. I just gave an opinion. If I'm wrong abouth the age thing, please let me know since you seem to be on the inside track. Besdies, it's not too hard to look at several of the the boys physical maturity and place an age on them.

All of the Top A 2017 teams have a large amount of boys that have december 98 birthdates, were left back, or started school late. That's why these programs don't want to change to a birthdate cut off for teams.

yes

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TB will be at Young Guns and Madlax.

Do you know which True Blue 2017 team is playing at the <<tournament>> this weekend?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From an non-Long Islander...
Can any 2017 team on Long Island beat the Tenacious Turtles?

Non Turtle folks on here, have you ever noticed all the "NON LONG ISLAND" lacrosse people that are really BIG Turtle fans??? Too funny.

Well, the Turtles are the only team that shows well off of Long Island...91...meh, Terp (Black, Blue or whatever color you choose, marginal...Gladiators decent...most others hide out on Long Island and compete with town teams

Color is BLACK. Your sarcasm was trite.

Terps Black notable victories OFF LI-
Breakers
West Coast Stars
Dukes
Green Turtle
Westfiled CT
Tri State black
Superstar 2016

Played Crabs three times this season, lost all three within 4-5 goals

team ducks nobody. Better ask Mr. C about that one

Terps Black is NOT the #1 team in 2017 on LI, but "marginal" is a incorrect evaluation. Would be interested to see post of all the other 2017 victories off LI by 91, Gladiators, fl$, TB and the Turtles also.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From an non-Long Islander...
Can any 2017 team on Long Island beat the Tenacious Turtles?

Non Turtle folks on here, have you ever noticed all the "NON LONG ISLAND" lacrosse people that are really BIG Turtle fans??? Too funny.

crazy right?? Its almost like they respect them for working and playing hard.

Brine National Lacrosse Classic

Interesting breakdown of team rosters. LI North and NE North are the only teams that are exclusively 2017. The others have a lot of 2018 and even 2019 boys on their rosters.

TEAM__________________2019__2018__2017__TOTAL
Alabama__________________1____7____16____24
Florida__________________2____6____18____26
Georgia__________________0____3____23____26
Illinois_________________0____3____22____25
Long Island North�_______0____0____24____24
Long Island South�_______1____4____20____25
Maryland_________________4____6____15____25
New England North�_______0____0____25____25
New England� South_______1____1____24____26
New Jersey_______________2____2____21____25
North Carolina___________0____6____21____27
Ohio_____________________1____8____17____26
Pennsylvania_____________0____3____21____24
Rochester________________0____9____13____22
Texas____________________2___11____11____24
Washington Dc____________2____6____18____26

Texas has a lot of 7th graders but I wonder how old? 3 boys are missing as their grad years did not make sense and 1 is missing as he is not assigned a team

Breakdown by state:

NY__76
MD__39
NJ__28
GA__28
MA__28
FL__27
NC__27
TX__25
PA__23
IL__18
OH__17
AL__16
VA__11
CT__9
IN__9
RI__6
NH__5
SC__4
DE__2
TN__2
ME__2
ON__1
KY__1

Whoever picked the Long Island teams placed the Turtles on 1 team and the Terps on the other...interesting, they get to practice together while all the other teams met for the first time 6/30...whatever it takes

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Brine National Lacrosse Classic

Interesting breakdown of team rosters. LI North and NE North are the only teams that are exclusively 2017. The others have a lot of 2018 and even 2019 boys on their rosters.

TEAM__________________2019__2018__2017__TOTAL
Alabama__________________1____7____16____24
Florida__________________2____6____18____26
Georgia__________________0____3____23____26
Illinois_________________0____3____22____25
Long Island North�_______0____0____24____24
Long Island South�_______1____4____20____25
Maryland_________________4____6____15____25
New England North�_______0____0____25____25
New England� South_______1____1____24____26
New Jersey_______________2____2____21____25
North Carolina___________0____6____21____27
Ohio_____________________1____8____17____26
Pennsylvania_____________0____3____21____24
Rochester________________0____9____13____22
Texas____________________2___11____11____24
Washington Dc____________2____6____18____26

Texas has a lot of 7th graders but I wonder how old? 3 boys are missing as their grad years did not make sense and 1 is missing as he is not assigned a team

Brine Tournament has taken off in LI much more than in the other states so far. My son is on the NJ team and there a 4-5 kids who are going to Jake Reed, but definitely not all of the best kids in the state. Same thing for Maryland. Hope it continues to improve, but LI teams should win as most of the best talent is playing from what I understand.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whoever picked the Long Island teams placed the Turtles on 1 team and the Terps on the other...interesting, they get to practice together while all the other teams met for the first time 6/30...whatever it takes

Isn't that how Rochester HS team won it a few years ago. The only team to practice together regularly before the event.

When you say Terps, which color?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whoever picked the Long Island teams placed the Turtles on 1 team and the Terps on the other...interesting, they get to practice together while all the other teams met for the first time 6/30...whatever it takes

And thats the problem. Last 2 years the teams were coached by an unbiased college coach who had the team play together as a team!!!! It was a great expierience. Now the usual suspects/coaches have inserted themselves and have contaminated the process and the teams....it was good while it lasted !!!!!

Wrong. Last year it was evaluated by a club coach , Ballers , who loaded up the 2015 team with players , including his son, from his team that he coaches. He is also from Pequa and placed a bunch of Pequa kids on it as well.

So get your facts straight.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whoever picked the Long Island teams placed the Turtles on 1 team and the Terps on the other...interesting, they get to practice together while all the other teams met for the first time 6/30...whatever it takes

From my understanding it was a tryout, they chose the North team from the first tryout and the South from the second.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whoever picked the Long Island teams placed the Turtles on 1 team and the Terps on the other...interesting, they get to practice together while all the other teams met for the first time 6/30...whatever it takes

From my understanding it was a tryout, they chose the North team from the first tryout and the South from the second.

Lets be honest here, the North team was picked before the kids even stepped on the field.....Great bunch of players, there is no doubt about that, but lets not pretend that it wasn't a farce.......

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whoever picked the Long Island teams placed the Turtles on 1 team and the Terps on the other...interesting, they get to practice together while all the other teams met for the first time 6/30...whatever it takes

From my understanding it was a tryout, they chose the North team from the first tryout and the South from the second.

Lets be honest here, the North team was picked before the kids even stepped on the field.....Great bunch of players, there is no doubt about that, but lets not pretend that it wasn't a farce.......

Lets get it out there then.. NOTHING in life is FAIR. And lacrosse is no different. There are mistakes, favors, and egos to support. Look at ANY awards or all star team and it's prevalent. You just have to come to terms with it. Just be happy BOTC exists as it saves everyone from spending thousands of dollars in therapy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whoever picked the Long Island teams placed the Turtles on 1 team and the Terps on the other...interesting, they get to practice together while all the other teams met for the first time 6/30...whatever it takes

From my understanding it was a tryout, they chose the North team from the first tryout and the South from the second.

Lets be honest here, the North team was picked before the kids even stepped on the field.....Great bunch of players, there is no doubt about that, but lets not pretend that it wasn't a farce.......

The Maryland team is totally random. Only a few
boys from the Baltimore area showed up. It will
be a LI beat down. I just hope it doesn't go to
their heads

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whoever picked the Long Island teams placed the Turtles on 1 team and the Terps on the other...interesting, they get to practice together while all the other teams met for the first time 6/30...whatever it takes

From my understanding it was a tryout, they chose the North team from the first tryout and the South from the second.

Lets be honest here, the North team was picked before the kids even stepped on the field.....Great bunch of players, there is no doubt about that, but lets not pretend that it wasn't a farce.......

Bingo. Great bunch of players and the typical few favors.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The rankings stayed the same because no one beat someone a head of them and other teams didnt play each other. Not sure what your thought process is. How would you change them? Remember that you have to beat someone to take there place. Only Long Island count.So if you win or loss to an outer state team things stay the same? Example: Garden City & Terps tied so no change. Interested in what you think is wrong with the rankings??

Where did your rankings come from? There were no head to head between Terps Black ' 91 or gladiators & 91. Or TB & Gladiators, etc it was based on a fall tournament that Terps lost to TB & then beat them in the final. & TB beat 91. They haven't played anyone since yet they shall remain #2 because you say so? Too funny Terps daddy!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whoever picked the Long Island teams placed the Turtles on 1 team and the Terps on the other...interesting, they get to practice together while all the other teams met for the first time 6/30...whatever it takes

From my understanding it was a tryout, they chose the North team from the first tryout and the South from the second.

Lets be honest here, the North team was picked before the kids even stepped on the field.....Great bunch of players, there is no doubt about that, but lets not pretend that it wasn't a farce.......

Sorry to burst your bubble but, it's just not true. Not all of north are Turtles & they were t all chosen @ the first tryout or before hand. You sound very petty

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wrong. Last year it was evaluated by a club coach , Ballers , who loaded up the 2015 team with players , including his son, from his team that he coaches. He is also from Pequa and placed a bunch of Pequa kids on it as well.

So get your facts straight.

Your right, and he was at this years 2017 tryout again and the 91 director and head coach in his ear. But the turtles coaches were in the bleachers so they had NO input. So at least that part was fair. lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a hater at all. It's fun to watch them play. Great team players. I just gave an opinion. If I'm wrong abouth the age thing, please let me know since you seem to be on the inside track. Besdies, it's not too hard to look at several of the the boys physical maturity and place an age on them.

All of the Top A 2017 teams have a large amount of boys that have december 98 birthdates, were left back, or started school late. That's why these programs don't want to change to a birthdate cut off for teams.

And you think it gets any better at the higher level? Check out some of the top D I college teams where they have the birth dates on the player profile. Perfect example is UNC. Most are all a year or even two older for their grade compared to ny cutoff date. Also, add a pg, redshirt or grade repeater and you have really, really good lacrosse players that blow away 17 year old freshmen. Like it or not, it is what it is. There is no such thing as an even playing field, literally, when it comes to age uniformity.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From an non-Long Islander...
Can any 2017 team on Long Island beat the Tenacious Turtles?

Probably not. But, I bet if you look at the birthdates of several players, they are older 2017 kids. I have no problem with this since it's well within the rules many tournaments have for grade based play. My suspicion is that's why they'll be at the U-15 championships this summer since a few/many of them would not make the age cut off next year at freshman. Remember, the express team that won last summer was freshman and most 2016 team players on LI make the cut off this year for U-15.

I'm sure I'll be corrected but it's just a hunch.

What difference does the birthdate make? Isn't Rob Pannell like 25 yrs old?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whoever picked the Long Island teams placed the Turtles on 1 team and the Terps on the other...interesting, they get to practice together while all the other teams met for the first time 6/30...whatever it takes

From my understanding it was a tryout, they chose the North team from the first tryout and the South from the second.

Lets be honest here, the North team was picked before the kids even stepped on the field.....Great bunch of players, there is no doubt about that, but lets not pretend that it wasn't a farce.......

I agree!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lets be honest here, the North team was picked before the kids even stepped on the field.....Great bunch of players, there is no doubt about that, but lets not pretend that it wasn't a farce.......

This has to be true!! No way for all of the Turtles to not only make the team but to also all be on the North. The Turtles are an amazing team but there are a few of them that made the team that did not deserve it as individuals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wrong. Last year it was evaluated by a club coach , Ballers , who loaded up the 2015 team with players , including his son, from his team that he coaches. He is also from Pequa and placed a bunch of Pequa kids on it as well.

So get your facts straight.

Sorry dude.....your wrong...as this is the 2017 thread the facts presented regarding the selection the last 2 years was correct regarding 2017/2016 players. As you stated YOURSELF you decided to rail against the selection of the 2015 HS team. The High School Teams were coached by High School coaches and observed by college recruiters. The Middle School boys were coached by college coaches. The teams over the last couple years co-mingled players from all the LI Teams. This year that is not the case.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What difference does the birthdate make? Isn't Rob Pannell like 25 yrs old?

Pennell was born December 1989 which makes him 23 years old.

His case is exaggerated to some extent as he exercised an NCAA clause that allowed a fifth year of undergraduate eligibility. He did not graduate with his class at Cornell in Spring 2013 by virtue of taking an "incomplete" in one of his senior year classes. (Remember that he broke his foot? Well, it turns out that Cornell and the Ivy League does not issue medical red shirts, so this was their way around that problem.)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lets be honest here, the North team was picked before the kids even stepped on the field.....Great bunch of players, there is no doubt about that, but lets not pretend that it wasn't a farce.......

This has to be true!! No way for all of the Turtles to not only make the team but to also all be on the North. The Turtles are an amazing team but there are a few of them that made the team that did not deserve it as individuals.

Completely agree.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a hater at all. It's fun to watch them play. Great team players. I just gave an opinion. If I'm wrong abouth the age thing, please let me know since you seem to be on the inside track. Besdies, it's not too hard to look at several of the the boys physical maturity and place an age on them.

All of the Top A 2017 teams have a large amount of boys that have december 98 birthdates, were left back, or started school late. That's why these programs don't want to change to a birthdate cut off for teams.

And you think it gets any better at the higher level? Check out some of the top D I college teams where they have the birth dates on the player profile. Perfect example is UNC. Most are all a year or even two older for their grade compared to ny cutoff date. Also, add a pg, redshirt or grade repeater and you have really, really good lacrosse players that blow away 17 year old freshmen. Like it or not, it is what it is. There is no such thing as an even playing field, literally, when it comes to age uniformity.

Or life in general...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whoever picked the Long Island teams placed the Turtles on 1 team and the Terps on the other...interesting, they get to practice together while all the other teams met for the first time 6/30...whatever it takes

From my understanding it was a tryout, they chose the North team from the first tryout and the South from the second.

Lets be honest here, the North team was picked before the kids even stepped on the field.....Great bunch of players, there is no doubt about that, but lets not pretend that it wasn't a farce.......

Sorry to burst your bubble but, it's just not true. Not all of north are Turtles & they were t all chosen @ the first tryout or before hand. You sound very petty

I dont care one way or another, just stating facts. What is the percentage of the North team that are Turtles? I know for a fact there were two kids at the tryout that were sent to the other field that ended making the team that just "happeneed" to be Turtles. Noone is saying that the North team is not made up of great players, the issue is that the tryout was inherently unfair and the team was predetermined. I dont think that sounds petty at all, congratulations to your son for making it, but dont sit here and tell me that tryout was fair, because it wasnt even close. A tryout is supposed to be about who impressed the evaluators "that day", not a preconceived notion of who should be on the team based on who they play for.

Enjoy Maryland, Its a great experience.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whoever picked the Long Island teams placed the Turtles on 1 team and the Terps on the other...interesting, they get to practice together while all the other teams met for the first time 6/30...whatever it takes

From my understanding it was a tryout, they chose the North team from the first tryout and the South from the second.

Lets be honest here, the North team was picked before the kids even stepped on the field.....Great bunch of players, there is no doubt about that, but lets not pretend that it wasn't a farce.......

Sorry to burst your bubble but, it's just not true. Not all of north are Turtles & they were t all chosen @ the first tryout or before hand. You sound very petty

I dont care one way or another, just stating facts. What is the percentage of the North team that are Turtles? I know for a fact there were two kids at the tryout that were sent to the other field that ended making the team that just "happeneed" to be Turtles. Noone is saying that the North team is not made up of great players, the issue is that the tryout was inherently unfair and the team was predetermined. I dont think that sounds petty at all, congratulations to your son for making it, but dont sit here and tell me that tryout was fair, because it wasnt even close. A tryout is supposed to be about who impressed the evaluators "that day", not a preconceived notion of who should be on the team based on who they play for.

Enjoy Maryland, Its a great experience.

Well said, and you are EXACTLY correct in everything you said in the post!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lets be honest here, the North team was picked before the kids even stepped on the field.....Great bunch of players, there is no doubt about that, but lets not pretend that it wasn't a farce.......

This has to be true!! No way for all of the Turtles to not only make the team but to also all be on the North. The Turtles are an amazing team but there are a few of them that made the team that did not deserve it as individuals.

Agree....and we will see if they are placed together when the teams start playing.....my bet....yes they will !!

Completely agree.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whoever picked the Long Island teams placed the Turtles on 1 team and the Terps on the other...interesting, they get to practice together while all the other teams met for the first time 6/30...whatever it takes

From my understanding it was a tryout, they chose the North team from the first tryout and the South from the second.

Lets be honest here, the North team was picked before the kids even stepped on the field.....Great bunch of players, there is no doubt about that, but lets not pretend that it wasn't a farce.......

Sorry to burst your bubble but, it's just not true. Not all of north are Turtles & they were t all chosen @ the first tryout or before hand. You sound very petty

I dont care one way or another, just stating facts. What is the percentage of the North team that are Turtles? I know for a fact there were two kids at the tryout that were sent to the other field that ended making the team that just "happeneed" to be Turtles. Noone is saying that the North team is not made up of great players, the issue is that the tryout was inherently unfair and the team was predetermined. I dont think that sounds petty at all, congratulations to your son for making it, but dont sit here and tell me that tryout was fair, because it wasnt even close. A tryout is supposed to be about who impressed the evaluators "that day", not a preconceived notion of who should be on the team based on who they play for.

Enjoy Maryland, Its a great experience.

& Im just saying my son went, tried out, impressed the evaluators on "that day", does not play for the Turtles & made the team. So I can tell you, for us, it was fair. Maybe, just maybe, those "whatever percent" Turtle players & anyone else that made the team were just the best players. & thanks we will enjoy the experience.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whoever picked the Long Island teams placed the Turtles on 1 team and the Terps on the other...interesting, they get to practice together while all the other teams met for the first time 6/30...whatever it takes

From my understanding it was a tryout, they chose the North team from the first tryout and the South from the second.

Lets be honest here, the North team was picked before the kids even stepped on the field.....Great bunch of players, there is no doubt about that, but lets not pretend that it wasn't a farce.......

I do think there is some truth in what you are saying. Much like with Under Armour and Jake Reed, I have to imagine that there is a watch list or some top recommendations from club coaches. The unfortunate thing is that some talented boys will always be overlooked. It is going to happen at college showcases and recruiting camps in the next few years, especially given the depth of 2017. Hoepfully it all balances out in the end.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What difference does the birthdate make? Isn't Rob Pannell like 25 yrs old?

Pennell was born December 1989 which makes him 23 years old.

His case is exaggerated to some extent as he exercised an NCAA clause that allowed a fifth year of undergraduate eligibility. He did not graduate with his class at Cornell in Spring 2013 by virtue of taking an "incomplete" in one of his senior year classes. (Remember that he broke his foot? Well, it turns out that Cornell and the Ivy League does not issue medical red shirts, so this was their way around that problem.)

didn't he also pg? so i would say he had a distinct advantage as a 23 soon to be 24 yr old playing against 17 to 21 yr olds! makes me rethink this whole age vs grade debate....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What difference does the birthdate make? Isn't Rob Pannell like 25 yrs old?

Pennell was born December 1989 which makes him 23 years old.

His case is exaggerated to some extent as he exercised an NCAA clause that allowed a fifth year of undergraduate eligibility. He did not graduate with his class at Cornell in Spring 2013 by virtue of taking an "incomplete" in one of his senior year classes. (Remember that he broke his foot? Well, it turns out that Cornell and the Ivy League does not issue medical red shirts, so this was their way around that problem.)

didn't he also pg? so i would say he had a distinct advantage as a 23 soon to be 24 yr old playing against 17 to 21 yr olds! makes me rethink this whole age vs grade debate....

Thank you. You couldn't be more right. This why MD, kids look so much bigger and stronger. A year or two makes huge difference between 13 and 20. The coaches are looking for the older kids.... It's another reason why many schools are telling kids to PG a year. If the talent level is the same, physical maturity is the thing that will make the difference. Everyone knows it. That's why kids are held back, repeat grade etc. it's done because its a huge advantage. If you take a rising junior whos an above average player and drop him down and play him with rising sophomores he becomes a top player... Everything needs to be aged based for tournaments and recruiting. If you disagree you're gaming the system, plain and simple.

Regarding the Brine event...the truth of the matter is unlike any other Brine tryout, the boys on Long Island we placed on specific teams. This raises 2 questions, was this a fair tryout and is it fair to send a team that practices together year-round to play oter teams that are meeting for the first time on Day 1 of the event? Tryouts seem rigged and I'll bet this forum lights up on July 3rd after Long Island (Turtles) win the Brine event...Great team, no doubt but this event is for Long Island, not specific clubs.

In MD no teams are filled exclusively with Red-Shirted players

A 20 boy roster will have at most 1-2 boys who are a year older than their classmates. About 25% will be born in the fall of 1998 which is age appropriate for US Lacrosse.

2017 HS Grad year interpreted from US Lacrosse is boys born
Sept 1 1998 to Aug 31, 1999 (which is currently U-14).

Since there are boys older than this who are still in 8th grade, US Lacrosse sets the age guideline as U-15 so that these boys do not need to sit out.

Recruiters care what year you are going to come play at their school and not how old you will be when you get there. Grade based is the most appropriate way to set up teams and torunaments for that simple reason.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thank you. You couldn't be more right. This why MD, kids look so much bigger and stronger. A year or two makes huge difference between 13 and 20. The coaches are looking for the older kids.... It's another reason why many schools are telling kids to PG a year. If the talent level is the same, physical maturity is the thing that will make the difference. Everyone knows it. That's why kids are held back, repeat grade etc. it's done because its a huge advantage. If you take a rising junior whos an above average player and drop him down and play him with rising sophomores he becomes a top player... Everything needs to be aged based for tournaments and recruiting. If you disagree you're gaming the system, plain and simple.

This by head to head meeting were possable. Terps won last so that is were this comes from. Not sure why this is so hard for you to understand? I didnt do the rankings but read what you wrote and you answer your own questions.

Not true. fl$ has good players. Not great players. Like everone else they are not as deep. They can not play with the top teams. What top team have you beaten? This equal playing time is as funny as the terps black players not playing with the Terps.

lets be clear the Brine event has an A and B team from LI. They picked the 20 best kids from the first tryout, they held a second tryout adding 5 kids to the North team and created a 25 player South team. They did not choose the top 50 then break them up. They also invited and had additional players at the second tryout that didn't make the first tryout. The Turtles are by far the strongest team in the grade and you would expect their boys would fill the majority of the North team. Are you implying Li should have made 2 even teams to send down??? C'mon i thought we got past that with middle school.

I am aware of all the rules. The problem is when these U-XX teams drop down into the lowest grade possible bracket, ie U-15 into 2017. They go by the youngest kids on the team, happens all the time. In addition, you have many hold backs and grade repeaters. No one is policing it. Just a reality.
With regard to age and recruiters, you're kidding yourself. If two kids are the same all around, they're taking the older kid. Have personal knowledge of a very high profile recruit who went to a certain ACC school and almost all the other freshman were 19 or older day one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In MD no teams are filled exclusively with Red-Shirted players

A 20 boy roster will have at most 1-2 boys who are a year older than their classmates. About 25% will be born in the fall of 1998 which is age appropriate for US Lacrosse.

2017 HS Grad year interpreted from US Lacrosse is boys born
Sept 1 1998 to Aug 31, 1999 (which is currently U-14).

Since there are boys older than this who are still in 8th grade, US Lacrosse sets the age guideline as U-15 so that these boys do not need to sit out.

Recruiters care what year you are going to come play at their school and not how old you will be when you get there. Grade based is the most appropriate way to set up teams and torunaments for that simple reason.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thank you. You couldn't be more right. This why MD, kids look so much bigger and stronger. A year or two makes huge difference between 13 and 20. The coaches are looking for the older kids.... It's another reason why many schools are telling kids to PG a year. If the talent level is the same, physical maturity is the thing that will make the difference. Everyone knows it. That's why kids are held back, repeat grade etc. it's done because its a huge advantage. If you take a rising junior whos an above average player and drop him down and play him with rising sophomores he becomes a top player... Everything needs to be aged based for tournaments and recruiting. If you disagree you're gaming the system, plain and simple.

So you are saying the the Turtles are the A team and a few of the Terps made the B team...things are much clearer now...sorry Terps

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lets be clear the Brine event has an A and B team from LI. They picked the 20 best kids from the first tryout, they held a second tryout adding 5 kids to the North team and created a 25 player South team. They did not choose the top 50 then break them up. They also invited and had additional players at the second tryout that didn't make the first tryout. The Turtles are by far the strongest team in the grade and you would expect their boys would fill the majority of the North team. Are you implying Li should have made 2 even teams to send down??? C'mon i thought we got past that with middle school.

Lord, put this nonsense to rest already. Turtles are the best 2017 team, no argument. However, the Turtle individual players are not ALL the best individual players on LI. Nor are the Terps Black. The next 2-3 years will show this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not true. fl$ has good players. Not great players. Like everone else they are not as deep. They can not play with the top teams. What top team have you beaten? This equal playing time is as funny as the terps black players not playing with the Terps.

fl$ cannot have GREAT players. THERE IS TOO MUCH FAVORITISM IN CHOOSING PLAYERS AFTER TRY-OUTs ! How can you say you had a FAIR try-out when you have FIVE kids from the same elementary school on the same team ? ? ?

Totally agree

Who are you people from another planet?????fl$ has some great players. My son plays on another team and is very good friends with some well known players on the fl$ team. All of these club teams have some great players. Everyone knows who they are. Your clueless if you don't know that. They can play with anybody. Give credit where credit is do. They cannot dictate an organizations philosophy. It works for them. Maybe it's better than the circus called Express. But don't say that fl$ or any team doesn't have some or a few truely great players because you just sound stupid.

Other teams do have very good players. My son plays for one of the lesser known teams on Long Island and there are 8 kids that i'm sure the big teams would love to have. Our coach knows he doesn't have the depth to challenge these teams - but when our main group are in - we are competitive. The coach supports the effort & talent these 8 bring - he's encouraged their own personal growth tremendously. When you're 13 & 14 sometimes its not the wins & loses - but the playing time and support that makes you a player. Here's to the overlooked stars of 2017 - keep working !

most of those kids dont even belong on the team. They let better kids go to keep the old team togther.

Very transparent responce. The old my sons freinds story. Give it a break. Who have you beaten to claim how good you are.

I agree. But your not on here claiming to be a top team. fl$ is a good team but not a top team in the age group. Maybe next year they will pick players who belong and who dont know the coach

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are you people from another planet?????fl$ has some great players. My son plays on another team and is very good friends with some well known players on the fl$ team. All of these club teams have some great players. Everyone knows who they are. Your clueless if you don't know that. They can play with anybody. Give credit where credit is do. They cannot dictate an organizations philosophy. It works for them. Maybe it's better than the circus called Express. But don't say that fl$ or any team doesn't have some or a few truely great players because you just sound stupid.

You're the one that sounds stupid.It's all right there on the fl$(For the Love of the $) website.Address the statement above? ? ? You can't.Parents paid over one hundred dollars last fall and expected a FAIR try-out. They got MUCH LESS.

The tryout and your perception of its fairness has nothing to do with the best players on that or any teamteam. They would make any team they tryout for. Just give the best players credit and move on. We are not talking about good players or borderline players were are talking about some of the best players in that age group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are you people from another planet?????fl$ has some great players. My son plays on another team and is very good friends with some well known players on the fl$ team. All of these club teams have some great players. Everyone knows who they are. Your clueless if you don't know that. They can play with anybody. Give credit where credit is do. They cannot dictate an organizations philosophy. It works for them. Maybe it's better than the circus called Express. But don't say that fl$ or any team doesn't have some or a few truely great players because you just sound stupid.

You're the one that sounds stupid.It's all right there on the fl$(For the Love of the $) website.Address the statement above? ? ? You can't.Parents paid over one hundred dollars last fall and expected a FAIR try-out. They got MUCH LESS.

Don't insult our intelligence!
5 kids from same elementary school, on same team, CAN NOT EQUAL A FAIR TRY-OUT !
Quite the coincidence one might say
I'd say, HIGHLY UNLIKELY.HMMM or maybe just highly trained since DAY 1
How on earth could they let us see that on their website??????????????

If fl$ could play half as good as the parents claim to be a top team. The team would be AAAA. lol fl$ is an good team who has not beaten any one and has not played the top teams in the age group. Heres a thought, Stop talking unitl you beat someone. You are the ones that sound stupid.

The 2017 fl$ team doesn�t follow any fl$ philosophy. The coach is just as arrogant as the parents he brought in. Reading though this blog is comical. You�re on here calling people stupid and you can�t see how clear this is. You think you are a top team in the age group and you lost to all the middle of the pack teams. Just in enjoy the experience while you have the chance.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

most of those kids dont even belong on the team. They let better kids go to keep the old team togther.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very transparent responce. The old my sons freinds story. Give it a break. Who have you beaten to claim how good you are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree. But your not on here claiming to be a top team. fl$ is a good team but not a top team in the age group. Maybe next year they will pick players who belong and who dont know the coach

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If fl$ could play half as good as the parents claim to be a top team. The team would be AAAA. lol fl$ is an good team who has not beaten any one and has not played the top teams in the age group. Heres a thought, Stop talking unitl you beat someone. You are the ones that sound stupid.

Please reconsider throwing words like "stupid" in your posts. BOTC thought you might like to review your last four posts. Please back away from the keyboard as this constitutes assault and battery on the English language.

Attention to any of you traveling down to the Brine National Classic on Monday. Be VERY careful driving anywhere near the complex where the event takes place. Make sure you do the speed limit. There are SPEED VIDEO Cameras everywhere. Last year several people came home to tickets in the mail for speeding. Dont go over the speed limit or youll have a suprise when you get home. FYI

Just checked. There are five kids from one middle school, five from another middle school and 4 from another middle school.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

most of those kids dont even belong on the team. They let better kids go to keep the old team togther.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very transparent responce. The old my sons freinds story. Give it a break. Who have you beaten to claim how good you are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree. But your not on here claiming to be a top team. fl$ is a good team but not a top team in the age group. Maybe next year they will pick players who belong and who dont know the coach

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If fl$ could play half as good as the parents claim to be a top team. The team would be AAAA. lol fl$ is an good team who has not beaten any one and has not played the top teams in the age group. Heres a thought, Stop talking unitl you beat someone. You are the ones that sound stupid.

Please reconsider throwing words like "stupid" in your posts. BOTC thought you might like to review your last four posts. Please back away from the keyboard as this constitutes assault and battery on the English language.

Definitely not the A team for grammar and simple command of the English language. LOL!

With all of the bickering about who's the better team/players, it's just as important to throw education into the mix. Assuming all of this banter is the competitive adrenaline of parents anticipating certain high school and college opportunities for their kids, a lack of focus on education can derail that dream real fast.

You are missing the point. This has nothing to with tryouts. My son was not there we play for another team. We cannot comment on a tryout. Someone made the statement that fl$ does not have any great players. That statement is completely false. My sons team has played them and they a couple of great players that my son knows well and would make our team or any other team better. Most teams have at least 3 or 4 great players that could make any team. Give them credit. Every kid that plays lacrosse on Long Island and beyond knows who they are. Great teams have 9 or more great players. Those teams that have more depth and talent win more games. But don't short change the few great players on many of these teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are missing the point. This has nothing to with tryouts. My son was not there we play for another team. We cannot comment on a tryout. Someone made the statement that fl$ does not have any great players. That statement is completely false. My sons team has played them and they a couple of great players that my son knows well and would make our team or any other team better. Most teams have at least 3 or 4 great players that could make any team. Give them credit. Every kid that plays lacrosse on Long Island and beyond knows who they are. Great teams have 9 or more great players. Those teams that have more depth and talent win more games. But don't short change the few great players on many of these teams

Agree 100 percent. My son plays for another 2017 team and he has played with several of the fl$ kids and they are as talented as anyone. So I guess its pick on fl$ week? Leave the team and the kids alone theyre fine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are missing the point. This has nothing to with tryouts. My son was not there we play for another team. We cannot comment on a tryout. Someone made the statement that fl$ does not have any great players. That statement is completely false. My sons team has played them and they a couple of great players that my son knows well and would make our team or any other team better. Most teams have at least 3 or 4 great players that could make any team. Give them credit. Every kid that plays lacrosse on Long Island and beyond knows who they are. Great teams have 9 or more great players. Those teams that have more depth and talent win more games. But don't short change the few great players on many of these teams

Agree 100 percent. My son plays for another 2017 team and he has played with several of the fl$ kids and they are as talented as anyone. So I guess its pick on fl$ week? Leave the team and the kids alone theyre fine.

When there are 2 or 3 really good players on a weak roster those players look even BETTER, the old "big fish small pond" routine. So fl$ is a smart move at this 2017 age if your son is at a high level of ability, if you don't care about your kid being on the WINNING team all the time! Which as most of us realize, means nothing.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

most of those kids dont even belong on the team. They let better kids go to keep the old team togther.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very transparent responce. The old my sons freinds story. Give it a break. Who have you beaten to claim how good you are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree. But your not on here claiming to be a top team. fl$ is a good team but not a top team in the age group. Maybe next year they will pick players who belong and who dont know the coach

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If fl$ could play half as good as the parents claim to be a top team. The team would be AAAA. lol fl$ is an good team who has not beaten any one and has not played the top teams in the age group. Heres a thought, Stop talking unitl you beat someone. You are the ones that sound stupid.

Please reconsider throwing words like "stupid" in your posts. BOTC thought you might like to review your last four posts. Please back away from the keyboard as this constitutes assault and battery on the English language.

The best part is that this brain surgeon thinks his 'elite' kid will be playing at a prestigious university. He doesn't have a chance with your genes and level of education! Please keep posting, you are such a simpleton. You must have a great collection of tank tops.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The tryout and your perception of its fairness has nothing to do with the best players on that or any teamteam. They would make any team they tryout for. Just give the best players credit and move on. We are not talking about good players or borderline players were are talking about some of the best players in that age group.

OK, lets try again.We are not talking about THOSE talented KIDS WHO WOULD MAKE A N Y TEAM. Some fl$ teams would have been BETTER(one in particular), if rumored favoritism wasn't a part of the selection process after try-outs ,last fall.It looked like a fares to some parents, who paid good money.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If fl$ could play half as good as the parents claim to be a top team. The team would be AAAA. lol fl$ is an good team who has not beaten any one and has not played the top teams in the age group. Heres a thought, Stop talking unitl you beat someone. You are the ones that sound stupid.

Keep typing, your posts are hilarious........

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just checked. There are five kids from one middle school, five from another middle school and 4 from another middle school.

Yes, the whole thing stinks and is very suspect.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The tryout and your perception of its fairness has nothing to do with the best players on that or any teamteam. They would make any team they tryout for. Just give the best players credit and move on. We are not talking about good players or borderline players were are talking about some of the best players in that age group.

OK, lets try again.We are not talking about THOSE talented KIDS WHO WOULD MAKE A N Y TEAM. Some fl$ teams would have been BETTER(one in particular), if rumored favoritism wasn't a part of the selection process after try-outs ,last fall.It looked like a fares to some parents, who paid good money.

If we are basing favoritism on the roster, then it has been going on for a few years. Either way, my son's team played them this year and it does seem as if they play their whole team. Can't say that about the team my son plays on and the kids on his team do notice this.

Well, there is something to be said for chemistry...though maybe not in this case...can't wait for fl$ to come to MD

I feel as if MD parents think that LI teams cant match up against teams from MD while as a LI dad I believe that most LI would beat the MD teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I feel as if MD parents think that LI teams cant match up against teams from MD while as a LI dad I believe that most LI would beat the MD teams

When you take the top tier teams from LI or Maryland they are very competitive with a slight edge going to LI. But once you get past that top tier the second and third tier teams from LI usually destroy their counterparts from all other states.

From a MD perspective, I think the top clubs match up well...Turtles from LI get the nod, but will be a tough game against Crabs (diff team than last year)...Breakers in Balt solid (lost to Terps in the fall, not sure that gets repeated)...VLC or FCA will give either LI team a good game, then you get to 91 from LI...would be nice to see the best from both at 1 tourney..seems a decent drop off in talent after that

You people are all crazy!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From a MD perspective, I think the top clubs match up well...Turtles from LI get the nod, but will be a tough game against Crabs (diff team than last year)...Breakers in Balt solid (lost to Terps in the fall, not sure that gets repeated)...VLC or FCA will give either LI team a good game, then you get to 91 from LI...would be nice to see the best from both at 1 tourney..seems a decent drop off in talent after that

How is the MadLax Orange team for 2017/U15 this summer? How do they compare to Crabs, Breakers, VLC, FCA?

There is becoming a real divergence in the talent level of the clubs. The better talent is migrate to a few select clubs and there is a drop off in talent beyond. The AA brackets are getting smaller and the A brackets are getting larger. Keep in mind these boys are 13/14 and the size and skill changes rapidly from year to year...It does seem that the boys focused on working on skills year round benefit early..hopefully they are participating in other sports outside lacrosse along the way

Depends on which Madlax team. Madlax National All Stars, draws best players from all regional teams, Madlax Capital, draws from DC, MD, VA, or Madlax Rock, the former Chesapeake Rock team draws from the Baltimore area. All good teams.
Crabs and VLC beat the Madlax Capital All Stars during the spring NPYLL season. For the league playoffs, Madlax brought in their National All Star team. Good squad. Beat both VLC and Crabs for NPYLL U15 championship. Madlax Capital lost to Breakers in semi final at last weekend's Green Turtle tournament

With regard to LI talent... Yes there are 5 to 10 teams that are very good in 2017. The top 5, will match up well with most teams from MD. (if they are the same age, sorry, always been an issue) The Turtles are on another planet. No, not a turtle parent. If a team from MD beats them, it has got to be an age deal. However, there are so many more clubs on LI, must be close to 30 now. That's not taking into account the public school HS coaches from top programs that make their kids play on their own team. For example, Ward Melville, Smithtown, Sayville, SWR, Sachem, West Islip, etc, etc. One could take the top 25 kids from the 6 schools mentioned and beat any travel team from anywhere. You could field it with 25 top tier FUTURE D1 players... The point is, the depth of talent on LI is far deeper than anywhere else in the country. With so many kids on so many teams, the top LI travel teams while all excellent, are in effect watered down. One could say it's an embarrassment of riches...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The tryout and your perception of its fairness has nothing to do with the best players on that or any teamteam. They would make any team they tryout for. Just give the best players credit and move on. We are not talking about good players or borderline players were are talking about some of the best players in that age group.

OK, lets try again.We are not talking about THOSE talented KIDS WHO WOULD MAKE A N Y TEAM. Some fl$ teams would have been BETTER(one in particular), if rumored favoritism wasn't a part of the selection process after try-outs ,last fall.It looked like a fares to some parents, who paid good money.

If we are basing favoritism on the roster, then it has been going on for a few years. Either way, my son's team played them this year and it does seem as if they play their whole team. Can't say that about the team my son plays on and the kids on his team do notice this.

Yeah, playing everyone is one thing, however wining is almost everything to teams of this caliber. What is DESPICABLE is , soaking parents for over a hundred bucks when you have little or no intention of choosing their kid for your team!!! RIP OFF,,,, 5 kids from the same school on a 20-24 man team....what a joke. Keep up the good work fl$. you may have a dozen kids show up this Fall for next years tryout

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With regard to LI talent... Yes there are 5 to 10 teams that are very good in 2017. The top 5, will match up well with most teams from MD. (if they are the same age, sorry, always been an issue) The Turtles are on another planet. No, not a turtle parent. If a team from MD beats them, it has got to be an age deal. However, there are so many more clubs on LI, must be close to 30 now. That's not taking into account the public school HS coaches from top programs that make their kids play on their own team. For example, Ward Melville, Smithtown, Sayville, SWR, Sachem, West Islip, etc, etc. One could take the top 25 kids from the 6 schools mentioned and beat any travel team from anywhere. You could field it with 25 top tier FUTURE D1 players... The point is, the depth of talent on LI is far deeper than anywhere else in the country. With so many kids on so many teams, the top LI travel teams while all excellent, are in effect watered down. One could say it's an embarrassment of riches...

Brine Long Island North.... Although we can all agree that they missed a few boys, let's face it, this is very close to a true all-Long Island team. FYI, my son is on the very talented South team and we're happy he'll have the experience.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The tryout and your perception of its fairness has nothing to do with the best players on that or any teamteam. They would make any team they tryout for. Just give the best players credit and move on. We are not talking about good players or borderline players were are talking about some of the best players in that age group.

OK, lets try again.We are not talking about THOSE talented KIDS WHO WOULD MAKE A N Y TEAM. Some fl$ teams would have been BETTER(one in particular), if rumored favoritism wasn't a part of the selection process after try-outs ,last fall.It looked like a fares to some parents, who paid good money.

If we are basing favoritism on the roster, then it has been going on for a few years. Either way, my son's team played them this year and it does seem as if they play their whole team. Can't say that about the team my son plays on and the kids on his team do notice this.

Yeah, playing everyone is one thing, however wining is almost everything to teams of this caliber. What is DESPICABLE is , soaking parents for over a hundred bucks when you have little or no intention of choosing their kid for your team!!! RIP OFF,,,, 5 kids from the same school on a 20-24 man team....what a joke. Keep up the good work fl$. you may have a dozen kids show up this Fall for next years tryout

Don't all the teams do this? True blue was looking to change two players on their 2017 team as per the coach and 91 orange barely changed their rosters; both teams have b team options, but who would want their "superstars" to play at that caliber. Lax is a money making sport...why take it so seriously?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With regard to LI talent... Yes there are 5 to 10 teams that are very good in 2017. The top 5, will match up well with most teams from MD. (if they are the same age, sorry, always been an issue) The Turtles are on another planet. No, not a turtle parent. If a team from MD beats them, it has got to be an age deal. However, there are so many more clubs on LI, must be close to 30 now. That's not taking into account the public school HS coaches from top programs that make their kids play on their own team. For example, Ward Melville, Smithtown, Sayville, SWR, Sachem, West Islip, etc, etc. One could take the top 25 kids from the 6 schools mentioned and beat any travel team from anywhere. You could field it with 25 top tier FUTURE D1 players... The point is, the depth of talent on LI is far deeper than anywhere else in the country. With so many kids on so many teams, the top LI travel teams while all excellent, are in effect watered down. One could say it's an embarrassment of riches...

I suppose your comment is true "relatively". Sure, LI is and has always been a lax hotbed. And I'm sure these top 25 "top tier" players you refer to will most definately find a DI team, after all there are a ton of them now. But the best players, perhaps 5 or 6 overall will be the bigger, faster, stronger players will land on the top teams (acc, ivy etc). I guess my point is that not all DI teams are the same level, just as these top 25 "top tier" LI players you mentioned will be the tops in their class. AFTER ALL, there are over 70 some odd DI teams.... If your kid wants DI there is surely some team out there for him. He may not play on a team destined for memorial day games or ivy etc ... Parents need to be realistic with their sons talent. Embrace that. But most of all, stop bashing those kids (teams) that do have these top kids. And btw, you are delusional is you think any town team can compete on the same level as turtles or black..

No question the Long Island North has the most talented players on Long Island . The south team is right there also. What a great experience this will be for these boys to play together against the best from other states. If I were a betting man I would bet the ranch the North team brings home the trophy

Of course all teams do this. They build a team around the talented kids they have. If the team directors perceive a weakness at a certain position they look to make a change there. In a try out some kids can have a great day and others can have a bad day. There are mistakes made. All of these teams in the various organizations are free to do what they want. All of these teams have dozens of kids trying out for what amounts to very few spots. Kids are going to get cut. Stop being so angry by what you think is unfair. Every kid at some point is going to fail. They will benefit from failure if you as a parent teach to not be angry and cry about lack of fairness. Instead you should teach your son grace and class and congratulate those that make the team. But most importantly teach them to learn from failure work harder and always get better. If remain so angry about what is perceived to be unfair and cannot get beyond you are doing your son a huge disservice. Talent and hard work eventually always end up on top

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With regard to LI talent... Yes there are 5 to 10 teams that are very good in 2017. The top 5, will match up well with most teams from MD. (if they are the same age, sorry, always been an issue) The Turtles are on another planet. No, not a turtle parent. If a team from MD beats them, it has got to be an age deal. However, there are so many more clubs on LI, must be close to 30 now. That's not taking into account the public school HS coaches from top programs that make their kids play on their own team. For example, Ward Melville, Smithtown, Sayville, SWR, Sachem, West Islip, etc, etc. One could take the top 25 kids from the 6 schools mentioned and beat any travel team from anywhere. You could field it with 25 top tier FUTURE D1 players... The point is, the depth of talent on LI is far deeper than anywhere else in the country. With so many kids on so many teams, the top LI travel teams while all excellent, are in effect watered down. One could say it's an embarrassment of riches...

I suppose your comment is true "relatively". Sure, LI is and has always been a lax hotbed. And I'm sure these top 25 "top tier" players you refer to will most definately find a DI team, after all there are a ton of them now. But the best players, perhaps 5 or 6 overall will be the bigger, faster, stronger players will land on the top teams (acc, ivy etc). I guess my point is that not all DI teams are the same level, just as these top 25 "top tier" LI players you mentioned will be the tops in their class. AFTER ALL, there are over 70 some odd DI teams.... If your kid wants DI there is surely some team out there for him. He may not play on a team destined for memorial day games or ivy etc ... Parents need to be realistic with their sons talent. Embrace that. But most of all, stop bashing those kids (teams) that do have these top kids. And btw, you are delusional is you think any town team can compete on the same level as turtles or black..

Not bashing anyone, calm down nut job!!!
I was replying to the poster from MD and his thoughts on MD teams. I am saying that the top travel teams could be even better from LI if A, there weren't so many teams, and B, if some of the kids from the afore mentioned teams were included. By the way if you took the top 25 kids from the 6 teams mentioned above they would compete and or beat the Turtles or Black. Look at the HS rosters from these schools D1 commits. UNC, DUKE, MARYLAND, HOPKINS, ND etc. Oh yeah, and some of these public schools are, or have been number 1 in the country. Also keep in mind that some kids that are D1 commits, while decent students, will not make the academic grid of a Hopkins or ND. They will go to great programs that may not be playing on Memorial Day.
WITH THAT SAID, MOVING FORWARD, NO ONE CARES ABOUT SCORES OR WHAT TEAM BEAT THE OTHER, ESPECIALLY THE COLLEGE COACHES. ITS ABOUT EXPOSURE AND FINDNG A SCHOOL THAT IS THE BEST FIT YOUR SON, BOTH ATHLETICALLY AND ACADEMICALLY, SO THEY CAN GRADUATE AND GET A JOB...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course all teams do this. They build a team around the talented kids they have. If the team directors perceive a weakness at a certain position they look to make a change there. In a try out some kids can have a great day and others can have a bad day. There are mistakes made. All of these teams in the various organizations are free to do what they want. All of these teams have dozens of kids trying out for what amounts to very few spots. Kids are going to get cut. Stop being so angry by what you think is unfair. Every kid at some point is going to fail. They will benefit from failure if you as a parent teach to not be angry and cry about lack of fairness. Instead you should teach your son grace and class and congratulate those that make the team. But most importantly teach them to arn from failure work harder and always get better. If remain so angry about what is perceived to be unfair and cannot get beyond you are doing your son a huge disservice. Talent and hard work eventually always end up on top

"OF COURSE ALL TEAMS DO THIS"
Do what? choose their friends kid over someone that is CLEARLY BETTER ! Perhaps some do, however, some of us thought the favoritism was VERY obvious last fall with fl$. I don't buy your argument

You need to move on!!!!!

Hey anyone know why Turtles won't play Trueblue 2017 team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With regard to LI talent... Yes there are 5 to 10 teams that are very good in 2017. The top 5, will match up well with most teams from MD. (if they are the same age, sorry, always been an issue) The Turtles are on another planet. No, not a turtle parent. If a team from MD beats them, it has got to be an age deal. However, there are so many more clubs on LI, must be close to 30 now. That's not taking into account the public school HS coaches from top programs that make their kids play on their own team. For example, Ward Melville, Smithtown, Sayville, SWR, Sachem, West Islip, etc, etc. One could take the top 25 kids from the 6 schools mentioned and beat any travel team from anywhere. You could field it with 25 top tier FUTURE D1 players... The point is, the depth of talent on LI is far deeper than anywhere else in the country. With so many kids on so many teams, the top LI travel teams while all excellent, are in effect watered down. One could say it's an embarrassment of riches...

I suppose your comment is true "relatively". Sure, LI is and has always been a lax hotbed. And I'm sure these top 25 "top tier" players you refer to will most definately find a DI team, after all there are a ton of them now. But the best players, perhaps 5 or 6 overall will be the bigger, faster, stronger players will land on the top teams (acc, ivy etc). I guess my point is that not all DI teams are the same level, just as these top 25 "top tier" LI players you mentioned will be the tops in their class. AFTER ALL, there are over 70 some odd DI teams.... If your kid wants DI there is surely some team out there for him. He may not play on a team destined for memorial day games or ivy etc ... Parents need to be realistic with their sons talent. Embrace that. But most of all, stop bashing those kids (teams) that do have these top kids. And btw, you are delusional is you think any town team can compete on the same level as turtles or black..

Not bashing anyone, calm down nut job!!!
I was replying to the poster from MD and his thoughts on MD teams. I am saying that the top travel teams could be even better from LI if A, there weren't so many teams, and B, if some of the kids from the afore mentioned teams were included. By the way if you took the top 25 kids from the 6 teams mentioned above they would compete and or beat the Turtles or Black. Look at the HS rosters from these schools D1 commits. UNC, DUKE, MARYLAND, HOPKINS, ND etc. Oh yeah, and some of these public schools are, or have been number 1 in the country. Also keep in mind that some kids that are D1 commits, while decent students, will not make the academic grid of a Hopkins or ND. They will go to great programs that may not be playing on Memorial Day.
WITH THAT SAID, MOVING FORWARD, NO ONE CARES ABOUT SCORES OR WHAT TEAM BEAT THE OTHER, ESPECIALLY THE COLLEGE COACHES. ITS ABOUT EXPOSURE AND FINDNG A SCHOOL THAT IS THE BEST FIT YOUR SON, BOTH ATHLETICALLY AND ACADEMICALLY, SO THEY CAN GRADUATE AND GET A JOB...

k. glad we agree on 1 of your points.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With regard to LI talent... Yes there are 5 to 10 teams that are very good in 2017. The top 5, will match up well with most teams from MD. (if they are the same age, sorry, always been an issue) The Turtles are on another planet. No, not a turtle parent. If a team from MD beats them, it has got to be an age deal. However, there are so many more clubs on LI, must be close to 30 now. That's not taking into account the public school HS coaches from top programs that make their kids play on their own team. For example, Ward Melville, Smithtown, Sayville, SWR, Sachem, West Islip, etc, etc. One could take the top 25 kids from the 6 schools mentioned and beat any travel team from anywhere. You could field it with 25 top tier FUTURE D1 players... The point is, the depth of talent on LI is far deeper than anywhere else in the country. With so many kids on so many teams, the top LI travel teams while all excellent, are in effect watered down. One could say it's an embarrassment of riches...

I suppose your comment is true "relatively". Sure, LI is and has always been a lax hotbed. And I'm sure these top 25 "top tier" players you refer to will most definately find a DI team, after all there are a ton of them now. But the best players, perhaps 5 or 6 overall will be the bigger, faster, stronger players will land on the top teams (acc, ivy etc). I guess my point is that not all DI teams are the same level, just as these top 25 "top tier" LI players you mentioned will be the tops in their class. AFTER ALL, there are over 70 some odd DI teams.... If your kid wants DI there is surely some team out there for him. He may not play on a team destined for memorial day games or ivy etc ... Parents need to be realistic with their sons talent. Embrace that. But most of all, stop bashing those kids (teams) that do have these top kids. And btw, you are delusional is you think any town team can compete on the same level as turtles or black..

Not bashing anyone, calm down nut job!!!
I was replying to the poster from MD and his thoughts on MD teams. I am saying that the top travel teams could be even better from LI if A, there weren't so many teams, and B, if some of the kids from the afore mentioned teams were included. By the way if you took the top 25 kids from the 6 teams mentioned above they would compete and or beat the Turtles or Black. Look at the HS rosters from these schools D1 commits. UNC, DUKE, MARYLAND, HOPKINS, ND etc. Oh yeah, and some of these public schools are, or have been number 1 in the country. Also keep in mind that some kids that are D1 commits, while decent students, will not make the academic grid of a Hopkins or ND. They will go to great programs that may not be playing on Memorial Day.
WITH THAT SAID, MOVING FORWARD, NO ONE CARES ABOUT SCORES OR WHAT TEAM BEAT THE OTHER, ESPECIALLY THE COLLEGE COACHES. ITS ABOUT EXPOSURE AND FINDNG A SCHOOL THAT IS THE BEST FIT YOUR SON, BOTH ATHLETICALLY AND ACADEMICALLY, SO THEY CAN GRADUATE AND GET A JOB...

you need to get a hobby

We are from Ohio and played in a tournament recently with the top teams in Maryland Philly and Long Island. I thought they were all relatively close in talent. The Crabs were a very effective team that worked the ball around beautifully to the point where every shot was easy. The Bandits from Philly seemed to have a couple of really talented kids that had shots we couldn't stop. The Long Island Express Terps Black team was extremely athletic and they had a set of twin brothers who, while not super big, were the most animalistic 8th graders I have ever seen. So from our humble perspective we kind of see everyone in the eastern region as formidable in their own way. Your very lucky to have the talent you do out there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We are from Ohio and played in a tournament recently with the top teams in Maryland Philly and Long Island. I thought they were all relatively close in talent. The Crabs were a very effective team that worked the ball around beautifully to the point where every shot was easy. The Bandits from Philly seemed to have a couple of really talented kids that had shots we couldn't stop. The Long Island Express Terps Black team was extremely athletic and they had a set of twin brothers who, while not super big, were the most animalistic 8th graders I have ever seen. So from our humble perspective we kind of see everyone in the eastern region as formidable in their own way. Your very lucky to have the talent you do out there.

Agree with this coming from a NJ Dad whose kid plays on one of the top NJ club teams. Not as much depth as LI across he board, but the top teams (Patriot, BBL, Tri-State, STEPS, etc.) can play with any of the top LI 2017 teams with exception of the Turtles.

This winter the LI Express beat all the New Jersey teams pretty easily in all three age classes at the Indoor National tournament.

I think because Turtles are looking to play teams that they have to work to beat.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With regard to LI talent... Yes there are 5 to 10 teams that are very good in 2017. The top 5, will match up well with most teams from MD. (if they are the same age, sorry, always been an issue) The Turtles are on another planet. No, not a turtle parent. If a team from MD beats them, it has got to be an age deal. However, there are so many more clubs on LI, must be close to 30 now. That's not taking into account the public school HS coaches from top programs that make their kids play on their own team. For example, Ward Melville, Smithtown, Sayville, SWR, Sachem, West Islip, etc, etc. One could take the top 25 kids from the 6 schools mentioned and beat any travel team from anywhere. You could field it with 25 top tier FUTURE D1 players... The point is, the depth of talent on LI is far deeper than anywhere else in the country. With so many kids on so many teams, the top LI travel teams while all excellent, are in effect watered down. One could say it's an embarrassment of riches...

I suppose your comment is true "relatively". Sure, LI is and has always been a lax hotbed. And I'm sure these top 25 "top tier" players you refer to will most definately find a DI team, after all there are a ton of them now. But the best players, perhaps 5 or 6 overall will be the bigger, faster, stronger players will land on the top teams (acc, ivy etc). I guess my point is that not all DI teams are the same level, just as these top 25 "top tier" LI players you mentioned will be the tops in their class. AFTER ALL, there are over 70 some odd DI teams.... If your kid wants DI there is surely some team out there for him. He may not play on a team destined for memorial day games or ivy etc ... Parents need to be realistic with their sons talent. Embrace that. But most of all, stop bashing those kids (teams) that do have these top kids. And btw, you are delusional is you think any town team can compete on the same level as turtles or black..

Not bashing anyone, calm down nut job!!!
I was replying to the poster from MD and his thoughts on MD teams. I am saying that the top travel teams could be even better from LI if A, there weren't so many teams, and B, if some of the kids from the afore mentioned teams were included. By the way if you took the top 25 kids from the 6 teams mentioned above they would compete and or beat the Turtles or Black. Look at the HS rosters from these schools D1 commits. UNC, DUKE, MARYLAND, HOPKINS, ND etc. Oh yeah, and some of these public schools are, or have been number 1 in the country. Also keep in mind that some kids that are D1 commits, while decent students, will not make the academic grid of a Hopkins or ND. They will go to great programs that may not be playing on Memorial Day.
WITH THAT SAID, MOVING FORWARD, NO ONE CARES ABOUT SCORES OR WHAT TEAM BEAT THE OTHER, ESPECIALLY THE COLLEGE COACHES. ITS ABOUT EXPOSURE AND FINDNG A SCHOOL THAT IS THE BEST FIT YOUR SON, BOTH ATHLETICALLY AND ACADEMICALLY, SO THEY CAN GRADUATE AND GET A JOB...

you need to get a hobby

agree. omg

I play on the outlaws and we did not lose to summit tht was our b team

The Turtles only play up - probably should move any conversation about them to the 2016 board

I have consistently seen the turtles lose over the last few years to medium grade older teams from Westchester County. I am not sure that is the greatest strategy for those kids. Much better to dominate the 2017s consistently and get in their heads that way. Earlier this year I saw one if the Turtles best players at a series of workouts prior to the Jake Reed try outs. The kid was very good however when he went up against the best of rest he was far less dominant . Part of it was these kids where motivated to show him who was boss so to speak, and they got in this kids head who expected by virtue of his Turtle status everyone would collapse

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have consistently seen the turtles lose over the last few years to medium grade older teams from Westchester County. I am not sure that is the greatest strategy for those kids. Much better to dominate the 2017s consistently and get in their heads that way. Earlier this year I saw one if the Turtles best players at a series of workouts prior to the Jake Reed try outs. The kid was very good however when he went up against the best of rest he was far less dominant . Part of it was these kids where motivated to show him who was boss so to speak, and they got in this kids head who expected by virtue of his Turtle status everyone would collapse

If the Turtles are consistently losing like you said you've witnessed then how do they win most tournaments that they enter?

Not a Turtle dad just asking.

They do win a lot and a a great team for sure, just pointing out I have seen them lose several times to older bigger kids. Sometimes it's better to stay in your own age group and dominate. They should play the Crabs, Dukes, Bandits etc who play the game fast rather than playing up against older slower kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They do win a lot and a a great team for sure, just pointing out I have seen them lose several times to older bigger kids. Sometimes it's better to stay in your own age group and dominate. They should play the Crabs, Dukes, Bandits etc who play the game fast rather than playing up against older slower kids.

Then everyone would make comments that they are destroying teams and be should playing up. It is a no win situation for them. They are the best in there age bracket......accept it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They do win a lot and a a great team for sure, just pointing out I have seen them lose several times to older bigger kids. Sometimes it's better to stay in your own age group and dominate. They should play the Crabs, Dukes, Bandits etc who play the game fast rather than playing up against older slower kids.

Then everyone would make comments that they are destroying teams and be should playing up. It is a no win situation for them. They are the best in there age bracket......accept it.

As long as you accept you won't play anyone anywhere

Sitting watching the Maryland team scrimmage
Long Island South. Maryland seems much more
athletic. Our boys better get it together heading
into the games! Lotta chatter about who is better,
we better back it up

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sitting watching the Maryland team scrimmage
Long Island South. Maryland seems much more
athletic. Our boys better get it together heading
into the games! Lotta chatter about who is better,
we better back it up

The Maryland team is not strong at Brine. Got killed by NE team. Both LI teams and NJ teams undefeated so far.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sitting watching the Maryland team scrimmage
Long Island South. Maryland seems much more
athletic. Our boys better get it together heading
into the games! Lotta chatter about who is better,
we better back it up

The Maryland team is not strong at Brine. Got killed by NE team. Both LI teams and NJ teams undefeated so far.

Do you have scores? The Brine Facebook page has all scores and some stats for High School only.
Thanks

[quote=Anonymous]Sitting watching the Maryland team scrimmage
Long Island South. Maryland seems much more
athletic. Our boys better get it together heading
into the games! Lotta chatter about who is better,
we better back it up.

How did we do? Did we become more athletic? Does Long Island South just blow them away with skill? How long were you watching the scrimmage.... 2 minutes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sitting watching the Maryland team scrimmage
Long Island South. Maryland seems much more
athletic. Our boys better get it together heading
into the games! Lotta chatter about who is better,
we better back it up

The Maryland team is not strong at Brine. Got killed by NE team. Both LI teams and NJ teams undefeated so far.

Do you have scores? The Brine Facebook page has all scores and some stats for High School only.
Thanks

Go to twitter and look at NLCLacrosse. Middle school scroes are there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did we do? Did we become more athletic? Does Long Island South just blow them away with skill? How long were you watching the scrimmage.... 2 minutes.

Both of the LI teams are undefeated and the north team has only allowed 4 goals in 4 games. Maryland didn't win any games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did we do? Did we become more athletic? Does Long Island South just blow them away with skill? How long were you watching the scrimmage.... 2 minutes.

Both of the LI teams are undefeated and the north team has only allowed 4 goals in 4 games. Maryland didn't win any games.

According to twitter LI North is on to the semi's and LI South has lost in the quarters to Rochester 10-7

LI North(aka Turtles) won the championship. They only gave up 7 goals in the entire tournament. Beat Rochester 13-2 in the championship game. Rochester is the team that bounced LI South in the quarterfinals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Turtles only play up - probably should move any conversation about them to the 2016 board

LOL, I bet they play anyone anywhere?

Long Island North are the champs

Many of the Brine teams have 7th graders.

Big Tournament this weekend in Baltimore. Here are the number one seeds: West Coast Starz, Turtles, Crabs, VLC. Terps Black is a two seed and Tru Blue a four seed. Will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

NXT Cup this weekend in Philly:

Jesters Black
fl$
Bandits
STEPS
Team Long Island White

Bunch of Midwest teams as well. Should be interesting

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NXT Cup this weekend in Philly:

Jesters Black
fl$
Bandits
STEPS
Team Long Island White

Bunch of Midwest teams as well. Should be interesting

Also Fever from Philly, CNY Roadhawks, 3D Colorado

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Big Tournament this weekend in Baltimore. Here are the number one seeds: West Coast Starz, Turtles, Crabs, VLC. Terps Black is a two seed and Tru Blue a four seed. Will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

Turtles = #chosenones

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Big Tournament this weekend in Baltimore. Here are the number one seeds: West Coast Starz, Turtles, Crabs, VLC. Terps Black is a two seed and Tru Blue a four seed. Will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

Turtles = #chosenones

You are too funny, keep em comin

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Big Tournament this weekend in Baltimore. Here are the number one seeds: West Coast Starz, Turtles, Crabs, VLC. Terps Black is a two seed and Tru Blue a four seed. Will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

Turtles = #chosenones

You are too funny, keep em comin

Turtles lose to Crabs in the Finals, Terps win 1 game

Brine National Lacrosse Classic � parent observations on Middle School Boys Academy division

Of the 400 players over 300 were 2017s, about 80 were 2018s and less than 20 were 2019s

The athleticism at the event was phenomenal. The game was played very fast. All regions had great athletes. I do not think any one team stood out athletically.

The Long Island teams stood out the tournament for two reasons

Coaching � it is painfully obvious that the boys from LI are receiving better coaching day in and day out when back at home. For example, on other teams, basic slide packages failed regularly. One of my son�s teammates repeatedly claimed to be the �hot� slide regardless of where he and/or the ball were on the field. Middies dodged through heavy traffic while wide open teammates were stuck watching the turnover.

Team Play � with two teams for LI at the very least each club represented by multiple players should have had their club rosters split in half. The LI North team did not fully utilize their allotted field practice time on Monday. Why would they? Two games to play in the heat later that day, and these boys have been practicing together for years. Another 45 minutes wouldn�t make a difference. It was clear from the execution of plays that these boys were running plays beyond what was coached on July 1st.

This is very disappointing and a lost opportunity. All Star weeks are all about meeting new friends and passing to someone who is wearing a different helmet than you.

According to the schedule, turtles would play WC Starz in semi if both win through. Starz beat crabs in spring scrimmage. Would not anoint the Turtles into the finals right away. Some tough games in all pools.

Where is the Young Gunz schedule posted?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Big Tournament this weekend in Baltimore. Here are the number one seeds: West Coast Starz, Turtles, Crabs, VLC. Terps Black is a two seed and Tru Blue a four seed. Will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

Turtles = #chosenones

You are too funny, keep em comin

Turtles lose to Crabs in the Finals, Terps win 1 game

Terps regular, black, grey, yellow, green, orange, blue or white?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Big Tournament this weekend in Baltimore. Here are the number one seeds: West Coast Starz, Turtles, Crabs, VLC. Terps Black is a two seed and Tru Blue a four seed. Will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

Turtles = #chosenones

You are too funny, keep em comin

Turtles lose to Crabs in the Finals, Terps win 1 game

Terps regular, black, grey, yellow, green, orange, blue or white?

how can that be, I thought they were the chosen ones? Crabs to big? Too fast? Too many goals? Bad refs?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Big Tournament this weekend in Baltimore. Here are the number one seeds: West Coast Starz, Turtles, Crabs, VLC. Terps Black is a two seed and Tru Blue a four seed. Will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

Turtles = #chosenones

You are too funny, keep em comin

Turtles lose to Crabs in the Finals, Terps win 1 game

No, wait for the string of too old posts that will come shortly.

Terps regular, black, grey, yellow, green, orange, blue or white?

how can that be, I thought they were the chosen ones? Crabs to big? Too fast? Too many goals? Bad refs?

Hey dummies, Crabs lost to Dukes in the ship,
Turtles bumped much earlier...not so bad after all

Were the Terps there? Didn't here much out
of them

Maybe the Long Island teams an go back to Brine
and beat up on mediocre talent? The Terp and
Turtle daddies need something to brag about.

Terps played well win two games lost to the crabs in the semis. The head coach was coaching the 2018s so Terps were at a slight disadvantage

Any word on how Long Island teams did in crab feast young guns tourney?

Turtles lost to dukes 6-3

Great Tournament at Young Guns. Dukes HHH (PA) beat WC Starz in pools, Tenacious Turtles, 6-3 in Semis and Crabs 6-5 OT in Finals. Greay\t games, great action.

Dukes beat the Crabs in the final in overtime.

How did the Jesters and fl$ do this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps played well win two games lost to the crabs in the semis. The head coach was coaching the 2018s so Terps were at a slight disadvantage

And their star attackman had a cold and a few boys
were tired from the long drive and the refs were
unfair and a few terp blue kids showed up and blah
blah blah...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did the Jesters and fl$ do this weekend.

Jesters ended up 2-3 and out of the playoffs

fl$ beat Philly Fever in the finals to win the tourney

Congrats to fl$! Nice win for them!

Why was MC coaching the 2018 team instead of
the '17 team? Most competitive tourney of the summer
and he abandons the '17 team??? Get me my $ back!!!

Jesters imploded on every level this weekend. Ugly

I watched the west coast stars vs turtles
6-5 turtles but... the difference was the turtles' face off guy won all face offs to hold off a MUCH more athletic west coast team who I later found out that never practiced or played as a team until this tournament...

the terps team wont get that 2 seed next year!
for sure

I watched TB play the crabs very tuff in a loss after a slow start 7-3...

terps did not play them as well in an 8-2 loss

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why was MC coaching the 2018 team instead of
the '17 team? Most competitive tourney of the summer
and he abandons the '17 team??? Get me my $ back!!!

Read the Inside Lacrosse article regarding club lacrosse...you have choices. Why pay a premium price and not get premium coaching or results!

Did True Blue win a game at the Young Guns?

Nice win for fl$ , big 2017 bracket with 18 teams. Nice job.

IM WONDERING IF BACK OF THE CAGE HAS HEARD ANY INFO ON THIS???WORD ON THE STREET IS MC IS NO LONGER THE JV LAX COACH AT SAINT ANTHONY'S HIGH SCHOOL, AND THEY ARE LOOKING TO REPLACE HIM???GOOD FOR SAINT ANTHONY'S If THATS TRUE!!! GET A NEW COACH IN THEIR THAT WILL
BE PARTIAL TO THE BOYS ON THEIR TALENT AND WORK ETHIC ALONE,NOT IF THEY PLAY FOR EXPRESS!!! AGAIN KUDOS TO SAINT ANTHONY'S, AND COACH WEICZOREK!!!! IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING IF IT IS TRUE!!! THANK YOU!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps played well win two games lost to the crabs in the semis. The head coach was coaching the 2018s so Terps were at a slight disadvantage

It's disgusting how the express parents always have an excuse!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did the Jesters and fl$ do this weekend.

Jesters ended up 2-3 and out of the playoffs

fl$ beat Philly Fever in the finals to win the tourney

Congrats to fl$! Nice win for them!

Team LI had a decent showing also, beat a Titanium team their first game, lost a close one to Freedom (4-0 in pool, lost to fl$ in the Semis) and then imploded in the heat to a larger, more athletic Mid West Select team. The lose to Mid West Select kept them out of the playoffs.

They redeemed there selves on Sunday with wins against CNY Roadhawks and the Jesters (who beat Mid West Select) . The LI rivalry got a little heated as a few scrums brokeout, the game was called early with TLI comfortably ahead.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps played well win two games lost to the crabs in the semis. The head coach was coaching the 2018s so Terps were at a slight disadvantage

Ah, there it is...the old "the head coach was at a different game" excuse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I watched the west coast stars vs turtles
6-5 turtles but... the difference was the turtles' face off guy won all face offs to hold off a MUCH more athletic west coast team who I later found out that never practiced or played as a team until this tournament...

and the other old "We never played together until today"...

It gets VERY quiet on these boards when The Express teams don't win tournaments.

Also "heard" about St Anthony's JV coach, but probably only a rumour. Anyone know this for certain.

MC was fired they are activley looking for a new coach.

Isn't Wieczorek an express director also?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It gets VERY quiet on these boards when The Express teams don't win tournaments.

Most of what i see on these boards is negative stuff from haters like you about the express. Go back under the rock.

Coach Weiczorek is a partner of the Express. Why would he want MC removed ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did the Jesters and fl$ do this weekend.

Jesters ended up 2-3 and out of the playoffs

fl$ beat Philly Fever in the finals to win the tourney

Congrats to fl$! Nice win for them!

Team LI had a decent showing also, beat a Titanium team their first game, lost a close one to Freedom (4-0 in pool, lost to fl$ in the Semis) and then imploded in the heat to a larger, more athletic Mid West Select team. The lose to Mid West Select kept them out of the playoffs.

They redeemed there selves on Sunday with wins against CNY Roadhawks and the Jesters (who beat Mid West Select) . The LI rivalry got a little heated as a few scrums brokeout, the game was called early with TLI comfortably ahead.

Are you referring to the scrum where the two kids were wailing on each other and the Refs just sat there and watched? Your are correct though, TLI showed up on Sunday.

Really??? Why? Doesn't he have an exceptional track record there in producing winning teams and getting some of the best players around?

How do you know this?

Yes he is. Doesn't make sense that he would want to see MC removed.

Are they looking for someone from outside St. Anthony's?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It gets VERY quiet on these boards when The Express teams don't win tournaments.

Most of what i see on these boards is negative stuff from haters like you about the express. Go back under the rock.

totally agree. the only comments about express are from ignorant parents whose kids are not on express.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Coach Weiczorek is a partner of the Express. Why would he want MC removed ?

If the rumors are true, it may not of been his choice to make. I'm sure the AD and school administration was involved as well.

Don't know.

You are probably right.

That's surprising. Don't believe it.

So what are the week 4 rankings for 2017? There was a lot action this past weekend

That is true, Mc had no choice!

West Coast Starz have played together many times. As recently as april they played in Maryland.

Not true. This is just drivel put out by someone whose kid was cut.

Terps and Turtles both played well. They changed the format after the first set of games to 8 minute running time. Very hard to mount rallies if you get behind in that structure as one possession can stall out the clock. The heat on the playing field was probably over 100 degrees and it really proved nothing this weekend. Dukes won and get credit for doing so, bur really it was a war of attrition as there were lots of injuries across the board.

Does anyone know if college coaches will be at this showcase?

Top of the heap: WC Starz, Turtles, Dukes, and Crabs. Anyone can win on any given day.

Dukes lost to Breakers at Young Gunz but beat Turtles, Crabs beat Dukes in Spring, Turtles beat WCS, WCS beat Crabs in Spring. Depends on who wants it more that day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

West Coast Starz have played together many times. As recently as april they played in Maryland.

That served as the tryouts....they boys live in 7 different states, not exactly like living in GC or Manhasset

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what are the week 4 rankings for 2017? There was a lot action this past weekend

Terps Black drop to 5th but since the coach helped with the 2018 team they get a pass and stay at 2!

Maryland wrapup:

Crabs done for summer, strong team, haven't played all top teams in Maryland
Breakers lined-up to play FCA in finals of Summer Sizzle, we'll see who can stake claim on #2 (though Crabs didn't play FCA)
VLC come in next, beat FCA at Greene Turtle in OT then lost handily at the All-Met
MAdLax takes 5th
Club Blue 6
MadLax Rock 7
Greene Turtle 8
Next Level 9
Looney's 10
Has anyone heard of 83 Elite in Baltimore??? They won 1 tourney last fall, lost to LI Express Terps Black in the finals of another and just won at the Atlantic Cup in the U15 A division this past weekend?

Does anyone know if college coaches can attend the Jake Reed/Nike Blue Chip Rising Freshmen camp on July 17-19 at UMBC? I heard from someone at the Brine event, they were not allowed to last year just not sure if that is true or changed for this year. Anyone know the answer?

Dukes rallied from behind in both the semis and finals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what are the week 4 rankings for 2017? There was a lot action this past weekend

Terps Black drop to 5th but since the coach helped with the 2018 team they get a pass and stay at 2!

Haha! And everyone on here picks on them

All the "haters" that "live under rocks"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what are the week 4 rankings for 2017? There was a lot action this past weekend

Terps Black drop to 5th but since the coach helped with the 2018 team they get a pass and stay at 2!

Haha! And everyone on here picks on them

All the "haters" that "live under rocks"

Since fl$ won their tournament, do they move to #1?

Terps playing again this weekend

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps playing again this weekend

It's the regular Terps with only 8 of the Black team members playing this weekend not the black team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps playing again this weekend

It's the regular Terps with only 8 of the Black team members playing this weekend not the black team.

It's actually the Terp Rainbow team....4 black, 3 red, 2 orange, 1 yellow, 2 green, 4 blue, 1 Indigo and 2 Violet...hopefully MC isn't coaching the 2022 team, dont want to disadvantage the Terps!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I watched TB play the crabs very tuff in a loss after a slow start 7-3...

terps did not play them as well in an 8-2 loss

Ok Tb loses by 4 and Terps lose by 6 and Mule's 91 team lost to them by 1 in Ocean City and then the Crabs lost to the Dukes. Besides the Turtles can anyone beat these Maryland teams

TB won 2 games at young guns tournament(beat sweetlax and CT Boltz). Lost to crabs 7-3, Denver Elite 4-1 and breakers 8-6. Played well, but could not get offense going. Lots of great scoring opportunites, but too many turnovers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps playing again this weekend

It's the regular Terps with only 8 of the Black team members playing this weekend not the black team.

It's actually the Terp Rainbow team....4 black, 3 red, 2 orange, 1 yellow, 2 green, 4 blue, 1 Indigo and 2 Violet...hopefully MC isn't coaching the 2022 team, dont want to disadvantage the Terps!

That would be the Terps Skittles!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps playing again this weekend

not the black terps

Unfortunately everyone stays the same. If you remember when the list first came out you need to beat a team on the list to move up. Some long Island teams are playing in the same tournament but not against each other. This list is accurate from the most resent head to head meeting of each team. Are there any tournaments left were Long Island teams are going head to head on this list? Since the summer season is nearing an end, how about some team challenging another team. No one on this list is going to back down from a challenge? Winner moves up, loser moves down. This would be fun. We know it does not really mean anything but still would be fun.

1. Turtles.
2. Terps black.
3. True Blue
4. Gladiators
5. 91 Orange.
6. Outlaws Black.
7. fl$
8. Jesters Black.
9. Garden City 17
10 Terps.

So where does FCA Blue rank? Where are they from?

Why would they let him go? Hasn't he been there forever?

Gents I believe gc17 beat fl$ in a tourney a few weeks ago. Based on your methodology, shouldn't gc17 be ranked higher than fl$ ?

i saw a lot of games and turtles, crabs, wc and duke are probably all the top of the top tier

second tier (but can certainly play with the top tier) is True Blue, Terps, CT Charges and Breakers....

not bad company considering a nation wide talent pool

i'm ready to move TB ahead of terps by a hair but not at the turtles level until they learn to play smarter

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So where does FCA Blue rank? Where are they from?

FCA has 2 Baltimore based teams (best known for National teams), Blue and White...Blue went 3-1 in Greene Turtle 3 weeks ago, won the All-Met 2 weeks ago, play in Summer Sizzle this weekend...lined up to play Breakers in finals...we'll see what they are made of?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i'm ready to move TB ahead of terps by a hair but not at the turtles level until they learn to play smarter

Based on what? TB went 1-2 on Saturday at Crabfest and TerpsBlack went 2-1. And when these two teams played each other in a fall tournament on LI, TB lost to Terps Black in championship game.

Over the weekend in Young Gunz-
TB scored 21 gave up 25
TerpsBlk scored 27 gave up 24

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Unfortunately everyone stays the same. If you remember when the list first came out you need to beat a team on the list to move up. Some long Island teams are playing in the same tournament but not against each other. This list is accurate from the most resent head to head meeting of each team. Are there any tournaments left were Long Island teams are going head to head on this list? Since the summer season is nearing an end, how about some team challenging another team. No one on this list is going to back down from a challenge? Winner moves up, loser moves down. This would be fun. We know it does not really mean anything but still would be fun.

At NXT Summer Invitational this coming weekend, fl$ plays Outlaws Black. Team 91 and Garden City are in the other group but don't play each other, possible they may play against each other in the playoffs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i saw a lot of games and turtles, crabs, wc and duke are probably all the top of the top tier

second tier (but can certainly play with the top tier) is True Blue, Terps, CT Charges and Breakers....

not bad company considering a nation wide talent pool

I agree with everything you posted, except CT Chargers. They seemed overmatched. I heard they were suppose to be pretty good but they only scored about 7 goals over two days at the tournament. Not a Charger hater just stating they results.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i'm ready to move TB ahead of terps by a hair but not at the turtles level until they learn to play smarter

Based on what? TB went 1-2 on Saturday at Crabfest and TerpsBlack went 2-1. And when these two teams played each other in a fall tournament on LI, TB lost to Terps Black in championship game.

Over the weekend in Young Gunz-
TB scored 21 gave up 25
TerpsBlk scored 27 gave up 24

Terps would have scored more but their coach was with the 2018 team!

ok, you're right... I neglected to add up the point deferential and factor in the computer algorithm strength of opponent analysis...

please... get friends

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ok, you're right... I neglected to add up the point deferential and factor in the computer algorithm strength of opponent analysis...

please... get friends

Terps have better uniforms

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ok, you're right... I neglected to add up the point deferential and factor in the computer algorithm strength of opponent analysis...

please... get friends

ok thanks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Gents I believe gc17 beat fl$ in a tourney a few weeks ago. Based on your methodology, shouldn't gc17 be ranked higher than fl$ ?

That is true thanks for this info. Someone also informed me that the Terps and GC tied at Lax fest. I have made the corrections. fl$ beat Jesters last as well. I would love to see mini tornermnet with just these 10 teams. I think that would be a lot fun lots of talent on all these teams.

1. Turtles.
2. Terps black.
3. True Blue
4. Gladiators
5. 91 Orange.
6. Outlaws Black.
7. Garden City 17
8. Terps
9. fl$
10. Jesters Black.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Unfortunately everyone stays the same. If you remember when the list first came out you need to beat a team on the list to move up. Some long Island teams are playing in the same tournament but not against each other. This list is accurate from the most resent head to head meeting of each team. Are there any tournaments left were Long Island teams are going head to head on this list? Since the summer season is nearing an end, how about some team challenging another team. No one on this list is going to back down from a challenge? Winner moves up, loser moves down. This would be fun. We know it does not really mean anything but still would be fun.

At NXT Summer Invitational this coming weekend, fl$ plays Outlaws Black. Team 91 and Garden City are in the other group but don't play each other, possible they may play against each other in the playoffs

Please let us know the outcome and we will make the appropriate changes to the Long Island team ranking

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what are the week 4 rankings for 2017? There was a lot action this past weekend

Terps Black drop to 5th but since the coach helped with the 2018 team they get a pass and stay at 2!

Haha! And everyone on here picks on them

All the "haters" that "live under rocks"

Since fl$ won their tournament, do they move to #1?

Nope! Terps Black stay the same. As long as they never play another "top 5" LI team (according to this "Master Ranking") & because their daddy says so!

Re Chargers - the organization's A team at this level is the Bolts and they scored 11, not 7. In any case, a clear disappointment. The CT Chargers is the B team at this level. Note that the points for and against appear to be only for the first day and not the entire tournament. Also I would point out that TB scored only 9.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what are the week 4 rankings for 2017? There was a lot action this past weekend

Terps Black drop to 5th but since the coach helped with the 2018 team they get a pass and stay at 2!

Haha! And everyone on here picks on them

All the "haters" that "live under rocks"

Since fl$ won their tournament, do they move to #1?

Nope! Terps Black stay the same. As long as they never play another "top 5" LI team (according to this "Master Ranking") & because their daddy says so!

Terp Black Daddy or Terp Daddy or Terp Green Daddy???? Do they all pay the same?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what are the week 4 rankings for 2017? There was a lot action this past weekend

Terps Black drop to 5th but since the coach helped with the 2018 team they get a pass and stay at 2!

Haha! And everyone on here picks on them

All the "haters" that "live under rocks"

Since fl$ won their tournament, do they move to #1?

Nope! Terps Black stay the same. As long as they never play another "top 5" LI team (according to this "Master Ranking") & because their daddy says so!

Terp Black Daddy or Terp Daddy or Terp Green Daddy???? Do they all pay the same?

you silly jokes about terp "colors" is about 6 days old.

You are correct, that is old and actually misses the point. My question is, how can the Terp Black team be the best...I would think a Wolverine can easily defeat a terp in actual combat. And for that matter, a piranha would devour a terp..now obviously a woverine would be dominant on land, but in the water a terp may have an edge and a piranha would definately be dominant...how does this program name the teams? Then they stick a Terp and Terp Black addendum on the team who in theory would be the weakest...this is confusing, time to focus on another program

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are correct, that is old and actually misses the point. My question is, how can the Terp Black team be the best...I would think a Wolverine can easily defeat a terp in actual combat. And for that matter, a piranha would devour a terp..now obviously a woverine would be dominant on land, but in the water a terp may have an edge and a piranha would definately be dominant...how does this program name the teams? Then they stick a Terp and Terp Black addendum on the team who in theory would be the weakest...this is confusing, time to focus on another program

Land animals and fresh water predators. I think a killer whale team would really be kick a$$......just saying....maybe next year??

fl$ beat outlaws in the spring

correction , TB did eat the bolts... for what its worth

Does anyone have any information on the Jake Reed rising freshman that is coming up? Will college coaches be there? what is the format? Thanks.

Ct Chargers are not a very strong team. Everyone spanked them this weekend. Stick with Long Island and Maryland

fl$ needs to play in stronger tournaments to gain respect.

It's absolutely 100% true!, MC Is no longer the SAINT ANTHONY'S JV LAX COACH!!!!
They are currently seeking his replacement.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what are the week 4 rankings for 2017? There was a lot action this past weekend

Terps Black drop to 5th but since the coach helped with the 2018 team they get a pass and stay at 2!

Haha! And everyone on here picks on them

All the "haters" that "live under rocks"

Since fl$ won their tournament, do they move to #1?

Nope! Terps Black stay the same. As long as they never play another "top 5" LI team (according to this "Master Ranking") & because their daddy says so!

Terp Black Daddy or Terp Daddy or Terp Green Daddy???? Do they all pay the same?

You always have a lot to say about the Terps? What�s with the obsession? This is not mentally healthy. What team are you on? How about you set up a game with the Terps so you can move forward. Clearly you are stuck in rewind. You keep writing the same stuff over and over. Boring!

And Bolts beat TB at Big Time Shootout, so they are even, for what its worth. Eat?

2018 parent trying to figure out whether to provide my son the opportunity to play at the 3D Blue Chip Region Tryout in January next year.

I�ve read Forum pages 40-60 which start to cover this topic, but hope to get some more color from the 2017 parent group. I am aware that the actual Jake Reed camp for 2017 is still one week away.

Also, if anyone attended the Brine event July 1-3 and is also attending this, can you compare and contrast?

I am not concerned about the recruiting angle or the money grab implications. I am curious as to whether the camp is competitive and provides an opportunity to play against top talent while receiving top coaching.

The pricing seems competitive when compared with the three day instructional camps.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 parent trying to figure out whether to provide my son the opportunity to play at the 3D Blue Chip Region Tryout in January next year.

I�ve read Forum pages 40-60 which start to cover this topic, but hope to get some more color from the 2017 parent group. I am aware that the actual Jake Reed camp for 2017 is still one week away.

Also, if anyone attended the Brine event July 1-3 and is also attending this, can you compare and contrast?

I am not concerned about the recruiting angle or the money grab implications. I am curious as to whether the camp is competitive and provides an opportunity to play against top talent while receiving top coaching.

The pricing seems competitive when compared with the three day instructional camps.

Absolutely would go to the 3D Blue Chip camp in January. My son went this year and had a fantastic experience (also made Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip). Very good training, well-organized, and great ratio of coaches to kids, they actually learned something rather than just playing games. Additionally, the level of competition was quite good for the Mid-Atlantic (LI, NJ, Philly, etc). Also, this is the only way to make the Jake Reed camp for rising freshmen which is a great opportunity. Even if you kid doesn't make Jake Reed, it still worth it in my opinion.

Brine was also a good experience for my son but not at the level of 3D Blue Chip. Limited skills training (only one session), most of the time is spent practicing and playing with you state's team. Decent competition (although not great) but a really fun experience for the boys playing on a state team. Coaching dependent on who you get assigned, some better than others. 3D Blue Chip more valuable in my opinion and would prioritize it over Brine, but Brine a fun event as well. Hope this helps, my 2 cents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 parent trying to figure out whether to provide my son the opportunity to play at the 3D Blue Chip Region Tryout in January next year.

I�ve read Forum pages 40-60 which start to cover this topic, but hope to get some more color from the 2017 parent group. I am aware that the actual Jake Reed camp for 2017 is still one week away.

Also, if anyone attended the Brine event July 1-3 and is also attending this, can you compare and contrast?

I am not concerned about the recruiting angle or the money grab implications. I am curious as to whether the camp is competitive and provides an opportunity to play against top talent while receiving top coaching.

The pricing seems competitive when compared with the three day instructional camps.

Absolutely would go to the 3D Blue Chip camp in January. My son went this year and had a fantastic experience (also made Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip). Very good training, well-organized, and great ratio of coaches to kids, they actually learned something rather than just playing games. Additionally, the level of competition was quite good for the Mid-Atlantic (LI, NJ, Philly, etc). Also, this is the only way to make the Jake Reed camp for rising freshmen which is a great opportunity. Even if you kid doesn't make Jake Reed, it still worth it in my opinion.

Brine was also a good experience for my son but not at the level of 3D Blue Chip. Limited skills training (only one session), most of the time is spent practicing and playing with you state's team. Decent competition (although not great) but a really fun experience for the boys playing on a state team. Coaching dependent on who you get assigned, some better than others. 3D Blue Chip more valuable in my opinion and would prioritize it over Brine, but Brine a fun event as well. Hope this helps, my 2 cents.

Brine and 3D are completely different events and are also completely different price points. The Brine event is not meant to be a recruiting showcase for 9th graders.

1000% money grab!!
if two rising 9th graders are recruited, it would be a lot...

next years if your son is ready for the spotlight... go

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1000% money grab!!
if two rising 9th graders are recruited, it would be a lot...

next years if your son is ready for the spotlight... go

Not saying it was right or wrong but that is what we did. My 2017 son was was accepted to Blue Chip and we did not send him. In the end it came down to spending $1,000 for the 3 day camp or not?

I will re-apply this year and consider it again.

absolute drivel by someone with a grudge

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1000% money grab!!
if two rising 9th graders are recruited, it would be a lot...

next years if your son is ready for the spotlight... go

Actually if you can swing it go. Great experience for your kid and offers a primer to what he has to do when it counts...kinda like taking practice SAT's rather than going in cold.

My son made the Brine team last year and we went to 3D Blue Chip this past January. The Brine Classic was a great experience for my son, he got to play alongside some very good players and the competition was very good. He tried out this year but did not make it, but I would definitely recommend it just for the experience alone.

As for 3D Blue Chip, again it was a great experience. The talent level was very high and it was well run and organized. The only downside for us was the fact that there wasnt a big emphasis on defensive coaching. My son is a defenseman and I will tell you they spent almost no time coaching the defensive side of the ball. It seemed to me that it was all about offense and running plays and the defense was kind of on its own. Having said that, it was definitely a great experience and I think my son will be going back again this January. If he would have made Jake Reed camp I would have definitely gone just for the experience alone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

fl$ needs to play in stronger tournaments to gain respect.

The NXT cup was a very good tournament, and fl$ won it! They beat some good teams to do it, so stop with your nonsense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

fl$ needs to play in stronger tournaments to gain respect.

The NXT cup was a very good tournament, and fl$ won it! They beat some good teams to do it, so stop with your nonsense.

Young guns was th eplace to be that weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

fl$ needs to play in stronger tournaments to gain respect.

The NXT cup was a very good tournament, and fl$ won it! They beat some good teams to do it, so stop with your nonsense.

Young guns was th eplace to be that weekend.

How is the competition coming up in Maryland next weekend?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

fl$ needs to play in stronger tournaments to gain respect.

The NXT cup was a very good tournament, and fl$ won it! They beat some good teams to do it, so stop with your nonsense.

Like who? All the top teams were down in Maryland.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

fl$ needs to play in stronger tournaments to gain respect.

The NXT cup was a very good tournament, and fl$ won it! They beat some good teams to do it, so stop with your nonsense.

Like who? All the top teams were down in Maryland.

Sounds like your team hasn't won a tourney in some time. Otherwise, why be so defensive? Huh?

Actually, sounds like his son was cut off of the fl$ team last fall. Why else would he care?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

fl$ needs to play in stronger tournaments to gain respect.

The NXT cup was a very good tournament, and fl$ won it! They beat some good teams to do it, so stop with your nonsense.

Like who? All the top teams were down in Maryland.

Was mostly out of state teams. 3D Colorado was there who is very good, Philly Fever, STEPS, Jesters, Trashcan, Titanium Ohio, Illinois, Indiana, the Bandits were there who beat the Terps Black earlier this season.

Just because they arent from Long Island doesnt mean they arent a top team.

It was a good, competitive tournament and a good win for fl$.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1000% money grab!!
if two rising 9th graders are recruited, it would be a lot...

next years if your son is ready for the spotlight... go

2 rising 9th graders a lot? Thought all the Turtles were already making committments to schools?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually, sounds like his son was cut off of the fl$ team last fall. Why else would he care?

nah.there's a lot of parents unhappy with the whole fl$ experience.Some people feel Its just a big scam.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually, sounds like his son was cut off of the fl$ team last fall. Why else would he care?

nah.there's a lot of parents unhappy with the whole fl$ experience.Some people feel Its just a big scam.

Boy is that the truth.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually, sounds like his son was cut off of the fl$ team last fall. Why else would he care?

Maybe it is just arrogant fl$ parents like you who think your team is better than it really is. fl$ has not beaten any top teams from Long Island. Almost seem like you are ducking the top teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually, sounds like his son was cut off of the fl$ team last fall. Why else would he care?

Maybe it is just arrogant fl$ parents like you who think your team is better than it really is. fl$ has not beaten any top teams from Long Island. Almost seem like you are ducking the top teams.

They have to Duck. They have kids that probably don't belong on some of their teams. Some teams show more favoritism than others at try-out time. So what about the exorbitant try-out fee! Dopey parents, what do they know....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what about the exorbitant try-out fee! Dopey parents, what do they know....

Express and 91 also charge ridiculous try out fees! And they too show a ton of favoritism at try outs when it comes to their A teams!

While I believe there should be a fee for tryouts (field costs, coaches time, not to mention offsetting the overall cost of the program...after all club lacrosse is a business)...I do think that a $125 fee is eggregious. In Maryland most fees run $25-$50 (Crabs doesn't charge for U13 or U15)...anything more and those running the clubs are looking to line their pockets. Worse is when a team charges for tryouts, has 50-100 players show up and in reality already pre-picked many players...Breakers in Baltimore is notorious for this..transparency is key...love them or hate them but the Crab program has the most transparency at the club level

Originally Posted by Anonymous

While I believe there should be a fee for tryouts (field costs, coaches time, not to mention offsetting the overall cost of the program...after all club lacrosse is a business)...I do think that a $125 fee is eggregious. In Maryland most fees run $25-$50 (Crabs doesn't charge for U13 or U15)...anything more and those running the clubs are looking to line their pockets. Worse is when a team charges for tryouts, has 50-100 players show up and in reality already pre-picked many players...Breakers in Baltimore is notorious for this..transparency is key...love them or hate them but the Crab program has the most transparency at the club level

All the "major" LI clubs are guilty of this too. fl$ and 91 make a fortune off tryouts, for teams that are already picked. It is a shameful money grab. At least Express will find a place for your son to play if he is a B/C level player (but know that you'll end up paying big fees which in the end support the finances of their A teams).

Any team charging more than $40 for a tryout is picking your pocket!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any team charging more than $40 for a tryout is picking your pocket!

I agree! $40 is a fair try out fee.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any team charging more than $40 for a tryout is picking your pocket!

I agree! $40 is a fair try out fee.

Please tell me which teams on LI charges $40. The typical fee I've seen is around $100. While I might agree that $40 would be a nice fee to pay, I think it's somewhat under costs. My back of the envelope calculation for running a three hour tryout for 100 atheletes is about $7,500 or $75 per athlete (includes fields, evaluators, administrators, pinnies, etc.). A 33% is a nice margin, but not obscene. If the tryout involves two three hour sessions, costs go up and you bite into margins.

Really? Now you guys are on tryout fees. Unbelievable!!! Everyone is entitled to make money. Parents spend thousands every weekend for tournaments. Tournament organizers make millions on tournaments. It's all about $$$. It's a business. And you guys are crying over tryout fees. Just stop already!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any team charging more than $40 for a tryout is picking your pocket!

I agree! $40 is a fair try out fee.

Please tell me which teams on LI charges $40. The typical fee I've seen is around $100. While I might agree that $40 would be a nice fee to pay, I think it's somewhat under costs. My back of the envelope calculation for running a three hour tryout for 100 atheletes is about $7,500 or $75 per athlete (includes fields, evaluators, administrators, pinnies, etc.). A 33% is a nice margin, but not obscene. If the tryout involves two three hour sessions, costs go up and you bite into margins.

Based on the tryouts that were carried last September in the BOTC Newsletter (Volume 2, Number 1), these were the tryout prices :

$55.00
$75.00
$100.00
$50.00
$65.00
$45.00
$60.00
$40.00
$60.00
$75.00
$50.00
$75.00
$40.00
$100.00
$30.00
$50.00
$25.00
$55.00
$40.00

Some tryouts included multiple sessions and multiple training opportunities in addition to the actual tryout. This list represents a combination of both boys and girls programs with the most expensive and least expensive (free) removed from the list for each gender.

The average price here is $57.37 per club tryout.

all the good teams were at Young Guns last week. The Bandits team that beat the Terps (actually Terps won but winning goal was called off Soviet Union circa 1972 Olympics style) was full of kids from the Dukes that day. Those same kids played for the Dukes who won the whole thing. So yes Kudos to fl$ for winning but it was against the second tier. Terps will play anyone and fl$ should try to get a private game against them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

While I believe there should be a fee for tryouts (field costs, coaches time, not to mention offsetting the overall cost of the program...after all club lacrosse is a business)...I do think that a $125 fee is eggregious. In Maryland most fees run $25-$50 (Crabs doesn't charge for U13 or U15)...anything more and those running the clubs are looking to line their pockets. Worse is when a team charges for tryouts, has 50-100 players show up and in reality already pre-picked many players...Breakers in Baltimore is notorious for this..transparency is key...love them or hate them but the Crab program has the most transparency at the club level

Why would anyone hate the Crabs? Envy is probably more like it.

fl$ completely dominated the Outlaws Back Again at NXT in Philly. That's twice now. Your ranking are way off.

After pool play at Tri State the Jesters black team was winless in 5 games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

fl$ completely dominated the Outlaws Back Again at NXT in Philly. That's twice now. Your ranking are way off.

Who has the MOST EXPENSIVE try-out fee??? UM, I THINK IT's F L G........Um, 125.00$....... DISGUSTING

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually, sounds like his son was cut off of the fl$ team last fall. Why else would he care?

nah.there's a lot of parents unhappy with the whole fl$ experience.Some people feel Its just a big scam.

Boy is that the truth.

sounds like none of the parents are happy with any of the teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

After pool play at Tri State the Jesters black team was winless in 5 games.

At New Jersey Shootout, Terps + 6-7 Terps Black players won 1 game this weekend. Lost to Leading Edge, STEPS, and 1 other. True Blue beat Patriot by 3 and STEPS by 3, good games. True Blue made it to the final vs. Leading Edge, nut sure who won.

Plenty of us are very happy with the fl$ program. No program is perfect but overall we like the philosophy, coaching, boys and their parents.

As for the maniac that keeps crying about the $125 tryout fee, you should realize that a portion of ALL fl$ fees and tuition goes towards charity including the founding and funding of the Roosevelt PAL program, providing meals to underprivileged families during the holidays, and growing the game through their "lax for all" foundation. Seriously buddy, give it a rest.

Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Actually,
like his son was cut off of the fl$ team last fall. Why else would he care?

nah.there's a lot of parents unhappy with the whole fl$ experience.Some people feel Its just a big scam.

Boy is that the truth.
sounds like none of the parents are happy with any of the teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually, sounds like his son was cut off of the fl$ team last fall. Why else would he care?

nah.there's a lot of parents unhappy with the whole fl$ experience.Some people feel Its just a big scam.

Boy is that the truth.

sounds like none of the parents are happy with any of the teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Plenty of us are very happy with the fl$ program. No program is perfect but overall we like the philosophy, coaching, boys and their parents.

As for the maniac that keeps crying about the $125 tryout fee, you should realize that a portion of ALL fl$ fees and tuition goes towards charity including the founding and funding of the Roosevelt PAL program, providing meals to underprivileged families during the holidays, and growing the game through their "lax for all" foundation. Seriously buddy, give it a rest.

Wow, I didn't know that. What nice guys you are! Donating our try-out fees to charities of YOUR choice for us! I feel so much better now.
Tell me, answer 2 questions , Why aren't you up front with parents ? How bout' telling us how many positions are available on a given team? You won't...Out of the hundreds of "NEW" kids @(oh, I'm sorry, you don't want me to mention your fee) that tried out last fall, HOW MANY ACTUALLY MADE ONE OF YOUR TEAMS??? Year over year, how many new kids percentage wise are kids that JUST tried out?You're not going to tell us, will you?
And please, stop repeating how all teams behave like this.

Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Actually,
like his son was cut off of the fl$ team last fall. Why else would he care?

nah.there's a lot of parents unhappy with the whole fl$ experience.Some people feel Its just a big scam.

Boy is that the truth.
sounds like none of the parents are happy with any of the teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually, sounds like his son was cut off of the fl$ team last fall. Why else would he care?

nah.there's a lot of parents unhappy with the whole fl$ experience.Some people feel Its just a big scam.

Boy is that the truth.

sounds like none of the parents are happy with any of the teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Plenty of us are very happy with the fl$ program. No program is perfect but overall we like the philosophy, coaching, boys and their parents.

As for the maniac that keeps crying about the $125 tryout fee, you should realize that a portion of ALL fl$ fees and tuition goes towards charity including the founding and funding of the Roosevelt PAL program, providing meals to underprivileged families during the holidays, and growing the game through their "lax for all" foundation. Seriously buddy, give it a rest.

Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Actually,
like his son was cut off of the fl$ team last fall. Why else would he care?

nah.there's a lot of parents unhappy with the whole fl$ experience.Some people feel Its just a big scam.

Boy is that the truth.
sounds like none of the parents are happy with any of the teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually, sounds like his son was cut off of the fl$ team last fall. Why else would he care?

nah.there's a lot of parents unhappy with the whole fl$ experience.Some people feel Its just a big scam.

Boy is that the truth.m

sounds like none of the parents are happy with any of the teams

MW loves to take credit for Roosevelt lax. The truth is that Charlie Russo and the LI Metropolitan Lacrosse Foundation are behind the start of the program that exists today.

Plenty of other programs give to charity and do charitable events. Just maybe, your two biggest charities are two families behind fl$.

I gotta call my tax guy. maybe i can get a write off for my kids tryout fee. who knew F L $ was so GIVING

Originally Posted by Anonymous

After pool play at Tri State the Jesters black team was winless in 5 games.

At New Jersey Shootout, Terps + 6-7 Terps Black players won 1 game this weekend. Lost to Leading Edge, STEPS, and 1 other. True Blue beat Patriot by 3 and STEPS by 3, good games. True Blue made it to the final vs. Leading Edge, nut sure who won.

This is where lie maybe does an injustice for these kids. Winning one game should not be acceptable, period. I REALLY think there is a problem with the structure of terps black and terps. These kids/parents are being mislead with the NAME of being associated with BLACK. If the player is truly of a higher caliber, then why would they bother playing on the lower level? Everyone knows and saw what happened last weekend when the original non-black players were in. Wasn't pretty. Some blk players may be getting frustrated with this structure. Granted that last weekend was extremely hot and needed subs, but come on!!, these kids, the same ones that played this weekend, should concentrate on skills and play on their own level, instead of pretending they are better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Plenty of us are very happy with the fl$ program. No program is perfect but overall we like the philosophy, coaching, boys and their parents.

As for the maniac that keeps crying about the $125 tryout fee, you should realize that a portion of ALL fl$ fees and tuition goes towards charity including the founding and funding of the Roosevelt PAL program, providing meals to underprivileged families during the holidays, and growing the game through their "lax for all" foundation. Seriously buddy, give it a rest.

Wow, I didn't know that. What nice guys you are! Donating our try-out fees to charities of YOUR choice for us! I feel so much better now.
Tell me, answer 2 questions , Why aren't you up front with parents ? How bout' telling us how many positions are available on a given team? You won't...Out of the hundreds of "NEW" kids @(oh, I'm sorry, you don't want me to mention your fee) that tried out last fall, HOW MANY ACTUALLY MADE ONE OF YOUR TEAMS??? Year over year, how many new kids percentage wise are kids that JUST tried out?You're not going to tell us, will you?
And please, stop repeating how all teams behave like this.

got a feeling they should have chose a couple of athletically deserving kids last fall instead of f l g lite kids. mw wouldn't be hearing this crap

Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Actually,
like his son was cut off of the fl$ team last fall. Why else would he care?

nah.there's a lot of parents unhappy with the whole fl$ experience.Some people feel Its just a big scam.

Boy is that the truth.
sounds like none of the parents are happy with any of the teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually, sounds like his son was cut off of the fl$ team last fall. Why else would he care?

nah.there's a lot of parents unhappy with the whole fl$ experience.Some people feel Its just a big scam.

Boy is that the truth.

sounds like none of the parents are happy with any of the teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

After pool play at Tri State the Jesters black team was winless in 5 games.

Wrong! Jesters ended up 1-3 in pool play. The Friday night game was cancelled. They ended up as the 6th seed and playing the Gladiators in the Quarterfinals. Very hard fought and well played game, the Gladiators ended up winning 7-6. I think anyone that watched the game would agree that it was all that youth sports should be about, the kids played their hearts out and left everything on the field.

Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip Rising Freshman Camp this Wednesday-Friday at UMBC. A lot of kids form LI, NJ, CT, MD and all over the country going. Should be a good experience for the boys, although it is supposed to be 100 degrees each day when they are there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

After pool play at Tri State the Jesters black team was winless in 5 games.

Wrong! Jesters ended up 1-3 in pool play. The Friday night game was cancelled. They ended up as the 6th seed and playing the Gladiators in the Quarterfinals. Very hard fought and well played game, the Gladiators ended up winning 7-6. I think anyone that watched the game would agree that it was all that youth sports should be about, the kids played their hearts out and left everything on the field.

According to the standings that Cage posted on the Tri State thread the Jester Black was 0-2-3 in pool play! That means they were winless in 5 games like the first poster said.

Can someone advise where to get the best bang for the buck re. tryouts?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I gotta call my tax guy. maybe i can get a write off for my kids tryout fee. who knew F L $ was so GIVING

Are tryout fees tax deductible?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

After pool play at Tri State the Jesters black team was winless in 5 games.

Wrong! Jesters ended up 1-3 in pool play. The Friday night game was cancelled. They ended up as the 6th seed and playing the Gladiators in the Quarterfinals. Very hard fought and well played game, the Gladiators ended up winning 7-6. I think anyone that watched the game would agree that it was all that youth sports should be about, the kids played their hearts out and left everything on the field.

According to the standings that Cage posted on the Tri State thread the Jester Black was 0-2-3 in pool play! That means they were winless in 5 games like the first poster said.

The other Jesters 2017 team was also winless in 5 games of pool play. Ridiculously overpriced organization!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

all the good teams were at Young Guns last week. The Bandits team that beat the Terps (actually Terps won but winning goal was called off Soviet Union circa 1972 Olympics style) was full of kids from the Dukes that day. Those same kids played for the Dukes who won the whole thing. So yes Kudos to fl$ for winning but it was against the second tier. Terps will play anyone and fl$ should try to get a private game against them.

Oh, there was an excuse as to why the Terps lost again? Suprising...NOT!! Maybe the Terps should try the "second Tier"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

After pool play at Tri State the Jesters black team was winless in 5 games.

Wrong! Jesters ended up 1-3 in pool play. The Friday night game was cancelled. They ended up as the 6th seed and playing the Gladiators in the Quarterfinals. Very hard fought and well played game, the Gladiators ended up winning 7-6. I think anyone that watched the game would agree that it was all that youth sports should be about, the kids played their hearts out and left everything on the field.

According to the standings that Cage posted on the Tri State thread the Jester Black was 0-2-3 in pool play! That means they were winless in 5 games like the first poster said.

The other Jesters 2017 team was also winless in 5 games of pool play. Ridiculously overpriced organization!

Well, 2018 Jesters went undefeated in pool play and nearly knocked off 91 white in the championship. Other younger teams did well also. Not a bad showing for said organization...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

After pool play at Tri State the Jesters black team was winless in 5 games.

Wrong! Jesters ended up 1-3 in pool play. The Friday night game was cancelled. They ended up as the 6th seed and playing the Gladiators in the Quarterfinals. Very hard fought and well played game, the Gladiators ended up winning 7-6. I think anyone that watched the game would agree that it was all that youth sports should be about, the kids played their hearts out and left everything on the field.

According to the standings that Cage posted on the Tri State thread the Jester Black was 0-2-3 in pool play! That means they were winless in 5 games like the first poster said.

So take notes because it seems that your a little ignorant of the facts. Jesters 2017 Black was scheduled to play 5 games, one on Friday night and 4 on Saturday. Because of the weather the Friday night games were cancelled. The Jesters ended up getting in two games on Saturday, which they did lose. The following two games on Saturday were cancelled due to weather. The Tournament decided to give ties for all the games that were cancelled. They did reschedule Saturdays games for Sunday morning, so the Jesters ended playing the 2 games on Sunday. They lost one in overtime and they won the 2nd game. They ended playing the Gladiators in the playoffs and after a great lacrosse game lost by a goal and were eliminated. So their final record was 1-4-1 including the tie given for the cancelled Friday night game. If youre still confused I can draw you a diagram of you'd like or will you continue commenting on things you have no idea about? Jesters Black was a very competitive team at every tournament they played in...........

I can't get enough of this website. Grown ups complaining about kids lacrosse. Please don't stop. I love all the crying LOL. It's almost as good as Jerry Springer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can't get enough of this website. Grown ups complaining about kids lacrosse. Please don't stop. I love all the crying LOL. It's almost as good as Jerry Springer.

I come get my entertainment at least once a day. So true.

1-4-1 is competitive? Listen sparky all the Jester teams have taken a big decline over the last couple of years. They are B level teams now. Get over it.

I love when they cry about what a specific club charges. IT'S A BUSINESS DUMMY! I'm sure $100 for a round of golf,and lunch is ok.How about $125 for all the lovely ladies to get their hair done. It is what it is. Your giving the game a bad name.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So take notes because it seems that your a little ignorant of the facts. Jesters 2017 Black was scheduled to play 5 games, one on Friday night and 4 on Saturday. Because of the weather the Friday night games were cancelled. The Jesters ended up getting in two games on Saturday, which they did lose. The following two games on Saturday were cancelled due to weather. The Tournament decided to give ties for all the games that were cancelled. They did reschedule Saturdays games for Sunday morning, so the Jesters ended playing the 2 games on Sunday. They lost one in overtime and they won the 2nd game. They ended playing the Gladiators in the playoffs and after a great lacrosse game lost by a goal and were eliminated. So their final record was 1-4-1 including the tie given for the cancelled Friday night game. If youre still confused I can draw you a diagram of you'd like or will you continue commenting on things you have no idea about? Jesters Black was a very competitive team at every tournament they played in...........

You should be banned from this board for disrespecting Cage the moderator! It was his post that had the Jesters black with a winless record in 5 games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You should be banned from this board for disrespecting Cage the moderator! It was his post that had the Jesters black with a winless record in 5 games.

The poster claimed that there has been an error in the score reporting and standings from the TriState tournament committee. BOTC has carried TriState results this year simply due to the number of Long Island area teams attending. Hence, we have no idea how the tournament is actually run or managed.

We can tell you that the pool play results for all of the Jesters teams as posted by TriState are as follows :

Rising 9th AA - LI Jesters 8th Kaffl - 0W-2L-3T
U15B - LI Jesters 8th Moscola - 0W-4L-1T
U13 North - LI Jesters 7th - 4W-0L-1T
U13 West - LI Jesters 6th - 0W-2L-3T
U11 North - LI Jesters Nessim - 0W-4L-1T
U11 South - LI Jesters Byrns - 1W-2L-2T
HS Senior AA - LI Jesters Varsity Foster - 0W-3L-2T

Now, readers can name call over whether a single draw was a win or the weather caused too many ties. No matter how you slice it, there are many oh-fers in that list and a single win in pool play would not have made much a difference in the long run for most of these groups.

This Week's Rankings & Tournament Recap: 91, Gladiators and True Blue had a good run. Outlaws got smoked, GC & Jesters took their lumps, fl$ & Terps made the playoffs, Turtles played up, Terps Black were off.

1. Turtles.
2. Terps black.
3. True Blue
4. Gladiators
5. 91 Orange.
6. fl$
7. Terps
8. Jesters
9. Garden City 17
10 Outlaws Black

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At NXT Summer Invitational this coming weekend, fl$ plays Outlaws Black. Team 91 and Garden City are in the other group but don't play each other, possible they may play against each other in the playoffs

Please let us know the outcome and we will make the appropriate changes to the Long Island team ranking

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You should be banned from this board for disrespecting Cage the moderator! It was his post that had the Jesters black with a winless record in 5 games.

The poster claimed that there has been an error in the score reporting and standings from the TriState tournament committee. BOTC has carried TriState results this year simply due to the number of Long Island area teams attending. Hence, we have no idea how the tournament is actually run or managed.

We can tell you that the pool play results for all of the Jesters teams as posted by TriState are as follows :

Rising 9th AA - LI Jesters 8th Kaffl - 0W-2L-3T
U15B - LI Jesters 8th Moscola - 0W-4L-1T
U13 North - LI Jesters 7th - 4W-0L-1T
U13 West - LI Jesters 6th - 0W-2L-3T
U11 North - LI Jesters Nessim - 0W-4L-1T
U11 South - LI Jesters Byrns - 1W-2L-2T
HS Senior AA - LI Jesters Varsity Foster - 0W-3L-2T

Now, readers can name call over whether a single draw was a win or the weather caused too many ties. No matter how you slice it, there are many oh-fers in that list and a single win in pool play would not have made much a difference in the long run for most of these groups.

Most of those ties were canceled games due to the rain.

Man that is an ugly showing. The 2019 is awful too. They used to be real good a couple of years ago. What happened to that team?

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You should be banned from this board for disrespecting Cage the moderator! It was his post that had the Jesters black with a winless record in 5 games.

The poster claimed that there has been an error in the score reporting and standings from the TriState tournament committee. BOTC has carried TriState results this year simply due to the number of Long Island area teams attending. Hence, we have no idea how the tournament is actually run or managed.

We can tell you that the pool play results for all of the Jesters teams as posted by TriState are as follows :

Rising 9th AA - LI Jesters 8th Kaffl - 0W-2L-3T
U15B - LI Jesters 8th Moscola - 0W-4L-1T
U13 North - LI Jesters 7th - 4W-0L-1T
U13 West - LI Jesters 6th - 0W-2L-3T
U11 North - LI Jesters Nessim - 0W-4L-1T
U11 South - LI Jesters Byrns - 1W-2L-2T
HS Senior AA - LI Jesters Varsity Foster - 0W-3L-2T

Now, readers can name call over whether a single draw was a win or the weather caused too many ties. No matter how you slice it, there are many oh-fers in that list and a single win in pool play would not have made much a difference in the long run for most of these groups.

These standings were obviously not updated after the cancelled games were made up. In the case of the 2017 Jesters in the Rising 9thAA bracket, their one win actually changed their seeding and they ended playing the Gladiators in the playoffs. Honestly I dont think the poster had an issue with you Cage, it was a response to the poster who was disparaging the Jesters organization without having any idea what he was talking about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I love when they cry about what a specific club charges. IT'S A BUSINESS DUMMY! I'm sure $100 for a round of golf,and lunch is ok.How about $125 for all the lovely ladies to get their hair done. It is what it is. Your giving the game a bad name.

What happened to youth lacrosse?
You sound like a really slimy fellow.Are you with FL$

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This Week's Rankings & Tournament Recap: 91, Gladiators and True Blue had a good run. Outlaws got smoked, GC & Jesters took their lumps, fl$ & Terps made the playoffs, Turtles played up, Terps Black were off.

1. Turtles.
2. Terps black.
3. True Blue
4. Gladiators
5. 91 Orange.
6. fl$
7. Terps
8. Jesters
9. Garden City 17
10 Outlaws Black

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At NXT Summer Invitational this coming weekend, fl$ plays Outlaws Black. Team 91 and Garden City are in the other group but don't play each other, possible they may play against each other in the playoffs

Please let us know the outcome and we will make the appropriate changes to the Long Island team ranking

Terps made the playoffs this weekend? Not. 1-3 this weekend in New Jersey Shootout. There were no playoffs. Just top team in each bracket - 4 teams in 2 different brackets, 8 total) played each other and all other games were consolation. Leading Edge won the tournament over True Blue. Terps (plus 6-7 Terps Black) lost to Laxachussets, STEPS, and Leading Edge, beat MI Warriors.

You know what is giving the game a bad name....programs that are money grabs, it's youth lacrosse!...Tournaments every weekend, some on shoddy fields with questionable competition...A new program popping up every week offering the next best thing...BS recruiting tournaments every week, charging too much $ (don't worry, college coaches will find you if you are that good)...I miss the days when kids played the sport for the fun of it, not having to worry about disappointing parents, playing on 3-4 teams and spending thousands of dollars that would be better served spent on improving SAT scores or saving for college

Updated Maryland rankings at Summer's end, eager to see Long Island ranking:

1)Crabs...idle, done for summer...tryouts 8/18
2)FCA Blue...beat Breakers, beat VLC 2 weeks prior, done for season
3)VLC...season complete
4)Breakers...1 more tourney, will face Team 91, may see Gladiators or 83
5)MadLax Capital
6)83 Elite..won Atlantic cup, will play Gladiators in fl$
7)Annapolis Bayhawks
8)Greene Turtle
9)Madlax Rock
10)Fearless

looks like GC is holding their own for a town team.Pretty impressive. GC had a bad 1st day and ruined their chances the next day. hopefully the can have a succesful tournament next weekend

The AA brackets played pool games Sunday as well. Big difference between "winless in 5 games" and 0 and 2 with 2 canceled games reported as ties. Why would an adult care so much about an organization their kid doesn't even play on?

My sons Jester team was undefeated in pool play and lost in A finals! They had a great season and we were thrilled with the entire year!

Can't complain for amount of lacrosse played since November!

I am not a Jesters parent, but watched 2 of their games, because my son's team was playing after them. They played very good lax in both games and only lost by 1. Why is it so important to come on here and bash this team? My son is happy where he is but if he wasn't I would consider having him tryout, maybe yours did and didn't make it, and that's what your problem is? Enough already. Jesters, you played well at Tri-Lax. BTW Lax is expensive, get over it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am not a Jesters parent, but watched 2 of their games, because my son's team was playing after them. They played very good lax in both games and only lost by 1. Why is it so important to come on here and bash this team? My son is happy where he is but if he wasn't I would consider having him tryout, maybe yours did and didn't make it, and that's what your problem is? Enough already. Jesters, you played well at Tri-Lax. BTW Lax is expensive, get over it.

Thank you for the common sense. Great game between the Jesters and Gladiators which came down to the last minute. Kids played their hearts out and the parents on both sides were very complimentary of both teams. All around that game was a prime example of what youth lacrosse should be about!

I have to say this 2017 thread is by FAR the best, most entertaining of them all... This 2017 group is filled with the sickest most demented group of delusional parents ever in the history of all youth sports. I only pray for your kids that you all don't behave or speak this way in the home.
Tone it down, very few of your kids are going D1. I promise you. Please be a little humble. When your kids get a little older you'll be at the national elite HS level tournaments. What you'll see are insanely gifted athletes that hail from places like Minnesota, Washington, Texas, Florida and California. All your kids stick skills will not compensate for the fact that these kids from other parts of the country are huge. 6'5" defensemen that move like SEC tight ends. 6'3" middies that run like a deer and cut like NFL backs. All I can say is: strap in and get ready for the reality check. It's coming....

No I'm just trying to put things in perspective. I think the whole thing is out of control.

I agree. The whole thing is a joke.

Very well said...witnessed this first hand multiple times this summer

These rankings are comical!! True Blue & Gladiators lost in finals or quarters? 91 won the Philly tournament & Terps Black didn't play because they all played for some other Terp team (& lost again) yet, Terps Black is still #2!! It is hilarious that this Terp Dad keeps posting these rankings like it actually is the truth!

1. Turtles.
2. Terps black.
3. True Blue
4. Gladiators
5. 91 Orange.
6. fl$
7. Terps
8. Jesters
9. Garden City 17
10 Outlaws Black

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At NXT Summer Invitational this coming weekend, fl$ plays Outlaws Black. Team 91 and Garden City are in the other group but don't play each other, possible they may play against each other in the playoffs

Please let us know the outcome and we will make the appropriate changes to the Long Island team ranking

[/quote]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This Week's Rankings & Tournament Recap: 91, Gladiators and True Blue had a good run. Outlaws got smoked, GC & Jesters took their lumps, fl$ & Terps made the playoffs, Turtles played up, Terps Black were off.

1. Turtles.
2. Terps black.
3. True Blue
4. Gladiators
5. 91 Orange.
6. fl$
7. Terps
8. Jesters
9. Garden City 17
10 Outlaws Black

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At NXT Summer Invitational this coming weekend, fl$ plays Outlaws Black. Team 91 and Garden City are in the other group but don't play each other, possible they may play against each other in the playoffs

Please let us know the outcome and we will make the appropriate changes to the Long Island team ranking

Terps made the playoffs this weekend? Not. 1-3 this weekend in New Jersey Shootout. There were no playoffs. Just top team in each bracket - 4 teams in 2 different brackets, 8 total) played each other and all other games were consolation. Leading Edge won the tournament over True Blue. Terps (plus 6-7 Terps Black) lost to Laxachussets, STEPS, and Leading Edge, beat MI Warriors.

But, they are still #2!!!!!!!!! (stamping feet, crying face;) oh, wait that's Black but, wait they played with blue who was filling in for orange, oh now Im confused!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This Week's Rankings & Tournament Recap: 91, Gladiators and True Blue had a good run. Outlaws got smoked, GC & Jesters took their lumps, fl$ & Terps made the playoffs, Turtles played up, Terps Black were off.

1. Turtles.
2. Terps black.
3. True Blue
4. Gladiators
5. 91 Orange.
6. fl$
7. Terps
8. Jesters
9. Garden City 17
10 Outlaws Black

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At NXT Summer Invitational this coming weekend, fl$ plays Outlaws Black. Team 91 and Garden City are in the other group but don't play each other, possible they may play against each other in the playoffs

Please let us know the outcome and we will make the appropriate changes to the Long Island team ranking

Terps made the playoffs this weekend? Not. 1-3 this weekend in New Jersey Shootout. There were no playoffs. Just top team in each bracket - 4 teams in 2 different brackets, 8 total) played each other and all other games were consolation. Leading Edge won the tournament over True Blue. Terps (plus 6-7 Terps Black) lost to Laxachussets, STEPS, and Leading Edge, beat MI Warriors.

But, they are still #2!!!!!!!!! (stamping feet, crying face;) oh, wait that's Black but, wait they played with blue who was filling in for orange, oh now Im confused!!

You're not only confused - you're an ignorant idiot!

Now, now, with the name calling! You can't take a joke? This whole thing is a joke! Relax & enjoy your sons lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have to say this 2017 thread is by FAR the best, most entertaining of them all... This 2017 group is filled with the sickest most demented group of delusional parents ever in the history of all youth sports. I only pray for your kids that you all don't behave or speak this way in the home.
Tone it down, very few of your kids are going D1. I promise you. Please be a little humble. When your kids get a little older you'll be at the national elite HS level tournaments. What you'll see are insanely gifted athletes that hail from places like Minnesota, Washington, Texas, Florida and California. All your kids stick skills will not compensate for the fact that these kids from other parts of the country are huge. 6'5" defensemen that move like SEC tight ends. 6'3" middies that run like a deer and cut like NFL backs. All I can say is: strap in and get ready for the reality check. It's coming....

Thank you for the insight Oh Guru of all things lax.......Altough I agree with you about the presence of athletes from non traditional lacrosse places, I submit to you that New [lacrosse], Maryland, PA, Jersey, CT, and so on have just as many gifted athletes with the stick skills to match. Take a look at a Division 1 roster sometime. I would say 75 percent of the rosters are filled with Northeast and Mid-Atlantic kids. (Take Duke for example, 5 kids on the roster from non traditional lacrosse states) I also agree that a lot of the people that frequent this board are delusional and overzealous, however there are some of us that are realistic about our kids futures and who genuinely enjoy candid discussions about the sport and how our kids are progressing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1-4-1 is competitive? Listen sparky all the Jester teams have taken a big decline over the last couple of years. They are B level teams now. Get over it.

Just because you dont win doesnt mean your not competitive. Jesters Black 2017 lost in the semifinals in three tournaments this summer to three of the best teams at the age group. So they were an A team and deserved to be, so get over it SPARKY, and stop commenting on things you dont know anything about. Dont you have someones day to ruin somewhere.......

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have to say this 2017 thread is by FAR the best, most entertaining of them all... This 2017 group is filled with the sickest most demented group of delusional parents ever in the history of all youth sports. I only pray for your kids that you all don't behave or speak this way in the home.
Tone it down, very few of your kids are going D1. I promise you. Please be a little humble. When your kids get a little older you'll be at the national elite HS level tournaments. What you'll see are insanely gifted athletes that hail from places like Minnesota, Washington, Texas, Florida and California. All your kids stick skills will not compensate for the fact that these kids from other parts of the country are huge. 6'5" defensemen that move like SEC tight ends. 6'3" middies that run like a deer and cut like NFL backs. All I can say is: strap in and get ready for the reality check. It's coming....

How did your kid do?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These rankings are comical!! True Blue & Gladiators lost in finals or quarters? 91 won the Philly tournament & Terps Black didn't play because they all played for some other Terp team (& lost again) yet, Terps Black is still #2!! It is hilarious that this Terp Dad keeps posting these rankings like it actually is the truth!

1. Turtles.
2. Terps black.
3. True Blue
4. Gladiators
5. 91 Orange.
6. fl$
7. Terps
8. Jesters
9. Garden City 17
10 Outlaws Black

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At NXT Summer Invitational this coming weekend, fl$ plays Outlaws Black. Team 91 and Garden City are in the other group but don't play each other, possible they may play against each other in the playoffs

Please let us know the outcome and we will make the appropriate changes to the Long Island team ranking

[/quote]
"Please let us know the outcome and we will make the appropriate changes"??? Who is "US" & who is "WE"? You sound so professional

1) Turtles
2) Team 91
3) Gladiators
4) Terps (Black)
5) True Blue
6) fl$
7) Terps
8) Garden City 17
9) Jesters
10)Outlaws

91, Gladiators and fl$ at a tourney this weekend in Maryland, could creating some movement towards the top

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1) Turtles
2) Team 91
3) Gladiators
4) Terps (Black)
5) True Blue
6) fl$
7) Terps
8) Garden City 17
9) Jesters
10)Outlaws

91, Gladiators and fl$ at a tourney this weekend in Maryland, could creating some movement towards the top

Interesting...How can teams not invited to Young Guns be ranked ahead of the teams that were invited. Most would agree that YG is one of the top Summer tournaments.

Teams are invited based on past performance...as they say in the investment world "Past results are not indicative of future performance". Invites go out well before the Summer tournament season. The fact the Terps were invited is based upon LI Express' Terp results in years past...this year has been a let down for the team..I am sure they will bounce back...turn that frown upside down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1) Turtles
2) Team 91
3) Gladiators
4) Terps (Black)
5) True Blue
6) fl$
7) Terps
8) Garden City 17
9) Jesters
10)Outlaws

91, Gladiators and fl$ at a tourney this weekend in Maryland, could creating some movement towards the top

Not that this ranking has any meaning but, can I ask why the gladiators are placed above Black or TB?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Teams are invited based on past performance...as they say in the investment world "Past results are not indicative of future performance". Invites go out well before the Summer tournament season. The fact the Terps were invited is based upon LI Express' Terp results in years past...this year has been a let down for the team..I am sure they will bounce back...turn that frown upside down.

So therefore you are saying that none of the teams other than the turtles, True Blue and terps were deemed worthy for YG based on past performane....to continue ....and what have any of the teams listed above the Terps and True Blue done this season to warrent their new positions? .....Therefore me thinks this new list is severly flawed ....would you not Agree????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Teams are invited based on past performance...as they say in the investment world "Past results are not indicative of future performance". Invites go out well before the Summer tournament season. The fact the Terps were invited is based upon LI Express' Terp results in years past...this year has been a let down for the team..I am sure they will bounce back...turn that frown upside down.

Please itemize the accomplishments of Team 91 and the Gladiators this year which would cause them to move up in this listing of teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1) Turtles
2) Team 91
3) Gladiators
4) Terps (Black)
5) True Blue
6) fl$
7) Terps
8) Garden City 17
9) Jesters
10)Outlaws

91, Gladiators and fl$ at a tourney this weekend in Maryland, could creating some movement towards the top

Not that this ranking has any meaning but, can I ask why the gladiators are placed above Black or TB?

Just want everyone to know that some crazy parent has hijacked the Long Island rankings. This list is not based on the original criteria. Win and you move up, lose and you move down??? And is not from the same person that started it. Good luck with these bias rankings

Team 91 won, fl$ won, Gladiators lost in a final...Turtles idle...what is missing here? Terps Black go down and a father gets peeved?

Team 91 and Gladiators clearly do not belong on the list in its latest form. Neither has played in or been invited to higher level tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 won, fl$ won, Gladiators lost in a final...Turtles idle...what is missing here? Terps Black go down and a father gets peeved?

91 won where??? fl$ won where??? Gladiators lost where?? C'mon MANNN. Lets try and keep it real.

Jake Reed was nice while it lasted. JM and 3d will be the downfall of this event

the rankings break down is only a question of the top 3
1- Turtles - until beaten
True Blue - most overall physically gifted and deep- but not nearly disciplined to beat turtles
Terps Black - a little less athletic than TB- but skilled and smart enough to compete with them

the next 5 is anyone's guess
91/Glads prob a bit better than fl$/Outlaws

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 and Gladiators clearly do not belong on the list in its latest form. Neither has played in or been invited to higher level tournaments.

Im not a 91 parent, but lets be fair here. They won 2 tourneys (LI Laxfest and NXT Philly invitational) this summer and are as physically talented as anyone on the list. They belong in the top 5.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Jake Reed was nice while it lasted. JM and 3d will be the downfall of this event

Care to expand on this statement? Whats wrong with 3D? What does JM have to do with it? Dont throw grenades unless your willing to back it up with logical reasoning.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Jake Reed was nice while it lasted. JM and 3d will be the downfall of this event

Care to expand on this statement? Whats wrong with 3D? What does JM have to do with it? Dont throw grenades unless your willing to back it up with logical reasoning.

Logical reasoning now that's funny

Jake Reed, Top 205 and other recruiting camps will become less relevant as high school teams start playing more showcase tourneys...example was this past weekend's National High School Lacrosse Showcase in Baltimore...some of the top schools in Maryland and a number from Long Island (Chaminade)...great event, inexpensive, players are playing in a natural environment (among HS teammates and under HS coaching)...oh yes, and a good number of college coaches represented...these are the event of the future

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the rankings break down is only a question of the top 3
1- Turtles - until beaten
True Blue - most overall physically gifted and deep- but not nearly disciplined to beat turtles
Terps Black - a little less athletic than TB- but skilled and smart enough to compete with them

the next 5 is anyone's guess
91/Glads prob a bit better than fl$/Outlaws

Seriously? Come on! I get you have a "thing" with 91 but, to say they are not as "physically gifted & deep" or "skilled & smart" as TB or Black is just silly. They lost a game to TB in March & shall never be heard of again? Because you write things does not make it the truth. Stop with the ridiculous comparisons & let them play wherever they are happy. There is some real talent @ the 2017 level & the boys all know each other & respect each other. The parents? That's a whole other story...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the rankings break down is only a question of the top 3
1- Turtles - until beaten
True Blue - most overall physically gifted and deep- but not nearly disciplined to beat turtles
Terps Black - a little less athletic than TB- but skilled and smart enough to compete with them

the next 5 is anyone's guess
91/Glads prob a bit better than fl$/Outlaws

That you have the Terps Black @ top 3 still, made me giggle

Why are we knocking Team 91 or Gladiators? Team 91 won 2 tourneys, lost to Crabs by 1 in Beach Lax...Gladiators have fared well in most tourneys? Where has TB competed? Weak showing at Young Gunz and Terps??? C'mon, what have they done any better than 91 or Gladiators? Who has won in head to head games this year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 and Gladiators clearly do not belong on the list in its latest form. Neither has played in or been invited to higher level tournaments.

Im not a 91 parent, but lets be fair here. They won 2 tourneys (LI Laxfest and NXT Philly invitational) this summer and are as physically talented as anyone on the list. They belong in the top 5.

They also won Lehigh

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 won, fl$ won, Gladiators lost in a final...Turtles idle...what is missing here? Terps Black go down and a father gets peeved?

91 won where??? fl$ won where??? Gladiators lost where?? C'mon MANNN. Lets try and keep it real.

Ok, lets "keep it real", what have the Terps Black done this summer? Where have they won? When have they played as a whole team? These other teams have stayed in tact, not addingdropping a player & played their schedule, no excuses. What have the Terps done to remain the "infamous" #2 on LI this summer?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Jake Reed was nice while it lasted. JM and 3d will be the downfall of this event

Care to expand on this statement? Whats wrong with 3D? What does JM have to do with it? Dont throw grenades unless your willing to back it up with logical reasoning.

he has already ruined the Brine National. he included his guys who were not amoung the best to try out.....involved with 3D....agreed..it will decline!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are we knocking Team 91 or Gladiators? Team 91 won 2 tourneys, lost to Crabs by 1 in Beach Lax...Gladiators have fared well in most tourneys? Where has TB competed? Weak showing at Young Gunz and Terps??? C'mon, what have they done any better than 91 or Gladiators? Who has won in head to head games this year?

As we all know, invitations mean nothing. I can tell you as a parent of a kid on another 2017 team that played both the Gladiators and 91, they are no doubt two of the best travel teams around. If my memory is correct the Gladiators beat Terps Black in OBLL this year? Both the Gladiators and 91 are very well coached, and play disciplined, organized lacrosse. I would line up either against any team from anywhere and be confident they would win. Terps Black are a very good team as is TB, but I dont see how they are any better than either 91 or the Gladiators.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are we knocking Team 91 or Gladiators? Team 91 won 2 tourneys, lost to Crabs by 1 in Beach Lax...Gladiators have fared well in most tourneys? Where has TB competed? Weak showing at Young Gunz and Terps??? C'mon, what have they done any better than 91 or Gladiators? Who has won in head to head games this year?

Exactly, I believe the criteria was head to head and common opponents. now lets get serious the head to head between TB, Terps Black and 91 was in March since then the common opponents warrents Terps Black fallen down a few pegs. They lost to the Crabs by a few goals and from what people affiliated with The Express said were never in either game, while 91 Orange lost by 1 and was swarming at the end just ran out of time. Both lost to a very good team 91 just was better in doing so. but in your world it will never be enough,to knock the mighty Terps Black down

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Jake Reed was nice while it lasted. JM and 3d will be the downfall of this event

Care to expand on this statement? Whats wrong with 3D? What does JM have to do with it? Dont throw grenades unless your willing to back it up with logical reasoning.

he has already ruined the Brine National. he included his guys who were not amoung the best to try out.....involved with 3D....agreed..it will decline!!!

Please! I guess your little Johnny didn't make Brine

The team was fabulous, including ALL players! Keep crying, wha, wha!! You sound pathetic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Jake Reed was nice while it lasted. JM and 3d will be the downfall of this event

Care to expand on this statement? Whats wrong with 3D? What does JM have to do with it? Dont throw grenades unless your willing to back it up with logical reasoning.

he has already ruined the Brine National. he included his guys who were not amoung the best to try out.....involved with 3D....agreed..it will decline!!!

Please! I guess your little Johnny didn't make Brine

The team was fabulous, including ALL players! Keep crying, wha, wha!! You sound pathetic.

Time will tell!!!

Terps Black beat True Blue this spring in a very hard fought game. Anyone who was there will tell you both teams were extremely strong and played hard. This summer Terps Black has only played twice. They did very well in Delaware dominating most the games they played in. They had a series of private games with Laxachusetts and blew them away and they did very well at the Crab Fest. The objective of these games is to develop players and hopefully win but that is hard to do when your giving equal playing time to all the kids. When Terps Black play to win.(i.e not equal playing time) they are right up there with the best everywhere and and MC will schedule any team at any time. To that Point Terps Black have beat the Dukes several times. Terps Black kids who are at the Jake Reed are all doing extremely well. Terps Black have several kids who were stars on High School JV teams or played on Varsity and frequently some of them play on the 2016 team.

Do you mean to say some of the terp black 2018 kids are playing with their age appropriate team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2018 parent trying to figure out whether to provide my son the opportunity to play at the 3D Blue Chip Region Tryout in January next year.

I�ve read Forum pages 40-60 which start to cover this topic, but hope to get some more color from the 2017 parent group. I am aware that the actual Jake Reed camp for 2017 is still one week away.

Also, if anyone attended the Brine event July 1-3 and is also attending this, can you compare and contrast?

I am not concerned about the recruiting angle or the money grab implications. I am curious as to whether the camp is competitive and provides an opportunity to play against top talent while receiving top coaching.

The pricing seems competitive when compared with the three day instructional camps.

Go to Brine, as advertised, kids enjoyed playing hanging with all the other regions
Skip Jake Reed this year. Focus on this camp as a rising soph

Just did Jake Reed , I would skip it, save the three thousand and take a nice family vacation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just did Jake Reed , I would skip it, save the three thousand and take a nice family vacation.

I was just there as well. Your kid must have not had a great showing to be so negative. Great experience to get the boys ready for the next step. Talent was pretty good, play was a little selfish and sloppy as showcases tend to be, but no doubt great athletes all over the place and a good way to see where your kid shakes out at this point. Do it if you can/your son makes it.

<<Content Deleted>> probably were an average athlete
living vicariously thru your son who will end up
playing at Nassau Community College and living
in your basement. Get a grip, no college coach
cares about rising 9th graders. Next year is their year.

Jake Reed was well worth it. Lots of very strong players. It gets your kid ready for the next stage of the process, so I would say yes go for it. As someone pointed out it is good to know where your kid stands on a relative basis.

True Blue beat the Terps black as well - most players (not parents), would say that TB has the edge over the Terps

And your kid had a great showing?

Jake Reed and bluechip have always been seen as a top recruiting event. This rising freshman event was far from that. If you add up the cost of the Florida tryout and travel plus the jake reed cost and travel its just not worth the money to see where your kid stands. Its only worth it if there are college coaches and the majority decided not to support this event. For that matter there were games where the 3d evaluators didn't bother to show up. Save your money on this event as a freshman, Brine was a better value and more organized. spend the money on the showcases when he's a sophomore.

No LI teams in the fl$ playoffs. Gladiators 1-2,
Team 91 1-2 and fl$ 2-1. Not a good display of
lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And your kid had a great showing?

Yes

At Patriot Games tournament in PA this weekend, Dukes HHH, BBL Black, Tri-State Black and STEPS in playoff. STEPS knocked off Leading Edge and lost to Dukes by 3. BBL and Dukes undefeated so far. STEPS 2-1, Tri-State 2-1. 4 other teams did not make playoffs including Leading Edge who beat True Blue and Terps + 6-7 Terps Black last week. In tri-state region, other than Turtles, a lot of parity. Dukes best team in 2017 age group in country in my opinion, and win at Crabfeast over Turtles and Crabs I think proves this point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are we knocking Team 91 or Gladiators? Team 91 won 2 tourneys, lost to Crabs by 1 in Beach Lax...Gladiators have fared well in most tourneys? Where has TB competed? Weak showing at Young Gunz and Terps??? C'mon, what have they done any better than 91 or Gladiators? Who has won in head to head games this year?

Exactly, I believe the criteria was head to head and common opponents. now lets get serious the head to head between TB, Terps Black and 91 was in March since then the common opponents warrents Terps Black fallen down a few pegs. They lost to the Crabs by a few goals and from what people affiliated with The Express said were never in either game, while 91 Orange lost by 1 and was swarming at the end just ran out of time. Both lost to a very good team 91 just was better in doing so. but in your world it will never be enough,to knock the mighty Terps Black down

Not one LI team made it to the semi-finals in fl$ 3D tournament this weekend. Not Gladiators, 91, or fl$. 3D Colorado, 3D NE, Breakers from Baltimore and 83 lacrosse in semis, and Breaks vs. 3D Select CO in final. I guess it didn't advance the cause for the LI rankings for fl$, Gladiators, or 91 this weekend. Average showing at best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are we knocking Team 91 or Gladiators? Team 91 won 2 tourneys, lost to Crabs by 1 in Beach Lax...Gladiators have fared well in most tourneys? Where has TB competed? Weak showing at Young Gunz and Terps??? C'mon, what have they done any better than 91 or Gladiators? Who has won in head to head games this year?

Exactly, I believe the criteria was head to head and common opponents. now lets get serious the head to head between TB, Terps Black and 91 was in March since then the common opponents warrents Terps Black fallen down a few pegs. They lost to the Crabs by a few goals and from what people affiliated with The Express said were never in either game, while 91 Orange lost by 1 and was swarming at the end just ran out of time. Both lost to a very good team 91 just was better in doing so. but in your world it will never be enough,to knock the mighty Terps Black down

Not one LI team made it to the semi-finals in fl$ 3D tournament this weekend. Not Gladiators, 91, or fl$. 3D Colorado, 3D NE, Breakers from Baltimore and 83 lacrosse in semis, and Breaks vs. 3D Select CO in final. I guess it didn't advance the cause for the LI rankings for fl$, Gladiators, or 91 this weekend. Average showing at best.

Not a parent of anyone of these teams in this bracket, but it seems to me that because LI has so many teams, the talent is spread out and the top teams are somewhat diluted. Many other states put together 1-2 teams out of hundreds of kids to take on the road. I would think LI still has the deepest talent pool, but others are setting up more elite teams and are also catching up in talent as the sport grows each year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At Patriot Games tournament in PA this weekend, Dukes HHH, BBL Black, Tri-State Black and STEPS in playoff. STEPS knocked off Leading Edge and lost to Dukes by 3. BBL and Dukes undefeated so far. STEPS 2-1, Tri-State 2-1. 4 other teams did not make playoffs including Leading Edge who beat True Blue and Terps + 6-7 Terps Black last week. In tri-state region, other than Turtles, a lot of parity. Dukes best team in 2017 age group in country in my opinion, and win at Crabfeast over Turtles and Crabs I think proves this point.

Look I don't even have a 2017 kid. But something smells fishy.... Prior to this summer Dukes were no match for turtles. Then all of a sudden, they're beating the turtles. They got that good in one season? I'm really tired of these out of state teams. Is this not the same Dukes team that going to the U15 championship? Come on, you know this team is loaded with kids that should be playing 2016. So they can't send the 2016 team cause they're too old. So they take any 2016 that may make cut off and drop them down into 2017 bracket to win a tourn. Bet they get hammered at u-15. Ya know, cause they'll be at a disadvantage playing kids there own age. Doesn't anyone see what's going on here?? I think LI teams should start pulling out of these tourns. Make these BS teams come here and run tourn with birth certificate proof. Then we'll see who wins. My bet, 3 of 4 finalists at u-15 all LI.

The all the LI teams played well although lost
(Although last, I would attribute to better lacrosse
coaching). Biggest problem was the LI parents. In the
game against 83 a mother and father ran onto the
field and confronted a player not even involved in
a scirmish. It was embarrassing. Also witnessed were
the foul language and yelling by the LI parents on both
Gladiators and Team 91. This board should judge
parents on the sidelines and not the teams on the
field. Both Gladiators and 91 were 1-2 and their
parents couldn't have been louder and more obnoxious

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No LI teams in the fl$ playoffs. Gladiators 1-2,
Team 91 1-2 and fl$ 2-1. Not a good display of
lacrosse.

Did any of the LI teams play each other?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are we knocking Team 91 or Gladiators? Team 91 won 2 tourneys, lost to Crabs by 1 in Beach Lax...Gladiators have fared well in most tourneys? Where has TB competed? Weak showing at Young Gunz and Terps??? C'mon, what have they done any better than 91 or Gladiators? Who has won in head to head games this year?

Exactly, I believe the criteria was head to head and common opponents. now lets get serious the head to head between TB, Terps Black and 91 was in March since then the common opponents warrents Terps Black fallen down a few pegs. They lost to the Crabs by a few goals and from what people affiliated with The Express said were never in either game, while 91 Orange lost by 1 and was swarming at the end just ran out of time. Both lost to a very good team 91 just was better in doing so. but in your world it will never be enough,to knock the mighty Terps Black down

Not one LI team made it to the semi-finals in fl$ 3D tournament this weekend. Not Gladiators, 91, or fl$. 3D Colorado, 3D NE, Breakers from Baltimore and 83 lacrosse in semis, and Breaks vs. 3D Select CO in final. I guess it didn't advance the cause for the LI rankings for fl$, Gladiators, or 91 this weekend. Average showing at best.

Not a parent of anyone of these teams in this bracket, but it seems to me that because LI has so many teams, the talent is spread out and the top teams are somewhat diluted. Many other states put together 1-2 teams out of hundreds of kids to take on the road. I would think LI still has the deepest talent pool, but others are setting up more elite teams and are also catching up in talent as the sport grows each year.

Well, whatever, but WOW, were those 2017 kids OLD lookin! I've heard the bitchin and whining, but it's time to hold your kids back! Entire teams of 16 year olds, at the 2017 level. Doesn't seem fair, but if you can't beat em.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True Blue beat the Terps black as well - most players (not parents), would say that TB has the edge over the Terps

And TB will soon become Express (name your reptile).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The all the LI teams played well although lost
(Although last, I would attribute to better lacrosse
coaching). Biggest problem was the LI parents. In the
game against 83 a mother and father ran onto the
field and confronted a player not even involved in
a scirmish. It was embarrassing. Also witnessed were
the foul language and yelling by the LI parents on both
Gladiators and Team 91. This board should judge
parents on the sidelines and not the teams on the
field. Both Gladiators and 91 were 1-2 and their
parents couldn't have been louder and more obnoxiou

Absolute lie!! Do NOT throw 91 into the mix of this ridiculousness. I'm a 91 parent, this is not hearsay it's the truth! NO cursing, yelling or fighting on our sidelines!! Idk what went on elsewhere but, do NOT spread vicious rumors about something you know nothing of!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 won, fl$ won, Gladiators lost in a final...Turtles idle...what is missing here? Terps Black go down and a father gets peeved?

91 won where??? fl$ won where??? Gladiators lost where?? C'mon MANNN. Lets try and keep it real.

Ok, lets "keep it real", what have the Terps Black done this summer? Where have they won? When have they played as a whole team? These other teams have stayed in tact, not addingdropping a player & played their schedule, no excuses. What have the Terps done to remain the "infamous" #2 on LI this summer?

Terps black are the undefeated champs of Univ of Maryland 2017 Young Guns Tournament over the last three days.

Oh snap!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 won, fl$ won, Gladiators lost in a final...Turtles idle...what is missing here? Terps Black go down and a father gets peeved?

91 won where??? fl$ won where??? Gladiators lost where?? C'mon MANNN. Lets try and keep it real.

Ok, lets "keep it real", what have the Terps Black done this summer? Where have they won? When have they played as a whole team? These other teams have stayed in tact, not addingdropping a player & played their schedule, no excuses. What have the Terps done to remain the "infamous" #2 on LI this summer?

Terps black are the undefeated champs of Univ of Maryland 2017 Young Guns Tournament over the last three days.

What teams did they play? Seems top Md NJ and Pa teams elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At Patriot Games tournament in PA this weekend, Dukes HHH, BBL Black, Tri-State Black and STEPS in playoff. STEPS knocked off Leading Edge and lost to Dukes by 3. BBL and Dukes undefeated so far. STEPS 2-1, Tri-State 2-1. 4 other teams did not make playoffs including Leading Edge who beat True Blue and Terps + 6-7 Terps Black last week. In tri-state region, other than Turtles, a lot of parity. Dukes best team in 2017 age group in country in my opinion, and win at Crabfeast over Turtles and Crabs I think proves this point.

Look I don't even have a 2017 kid. But something smells fishy.... Prior to this summer Dukes were no match for turtles. Then all of a sudden, they're beating the turtles. They got that good in one season? I'm really tired of these out of state teams. Is this not the same Dukes team that going to the U15 championship? Come on, you know this team is loaded with kids that should be playing 2016. So they can't send the 2016 team cause they're too old. So they take any 2016 that may make cut off and drop them down into 2017 bracket to win a tourn. Bet they get hammered at u-15. Ya know, cause they'll be at a disadvantage playing kids there own age. Doesn't anyone see what's going on here?? I think LI teams should start pulling out of these tourns. Make these BS teams come here and run tourn with birth certificate proof. Then we'll see who wins. My bet, 3 of 4 finalists at u-15 all LI.

I am not a Dukes parent, in fact I am a NJ parent. However, I know most of the kids and ALL are going to be freshmen in the Fall and all obviously qualify for U15. Stop with the age stuff, it is really getting old as an excuse for LI. As said many, many, many times on this site it has to do with different cut off dates in different states for starting kindergarten.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 won, fl$ won, Gladiators lost in a final...Turtles idle...what is missing here? Terps Black go down and a father gets peeved?

91 won where??? fl$ won where??? Gladiators lost where?? C'mon MANNN. Lets try and keep it real.

Ok, lets "keep it real", what have the Terps Black done this summer? Where have they won? When have they played as a whole team? These other teams have stayed in tact, not addingdropping a player & played their schedule, no excuses. What have the Terps done to remain the "infamous" #2 on LI this summer?

Terps black are the undefeated champs of Univ of Maryland 2017 Young Guns Tournament over the last three days.

Congrats. Who did they beat in the tournament?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 won, fl$ won, Gladiators lost in a final...Turtles idle...what is missing here? Terps Black go down and a father gets peeved?

91 won where??? fl$ won where??? Gladiators lost where?? C'mon MANNN. Lets try and keep it real.

Ok, lets "keep it real", what have the Terps Black done this summer? Where have they won? When have they played as a whole team? These other teams have stayed in tact, not addingdropping a player & played their schedule, no excuses. What have the Terps done to remain the "infamous" #2 on LI this summer?

Terps black are the undefeated champs of Univ of Maryland 2017 Young Guns Tournament over the last three days.

Who did they play? Scores?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 won, fl$ won, Gladiators lost in a final...Turtles idle...what is missing here? Terps Black go down and a father gets peeved?

91 won where??? fl$ won where??? Gladiators lost where?? C'mon MANNN. Lets try and keep it real.

Ok, lets "keep it real", what have the Terps Black done this summer? Where have they won? When have they played as a whole team? These other teams have stayed in tact, not addingdropping a player & played their schedule, no excuses. What have the Terps done to remain the "infamous" #2 on LI this summer?

Terps black are the undefeated champs of Univ of Maryland 2017 Young Guns Tournament over the last three days.

LOL. There were THREE 2017 teams there; it's a 2016 tournament, after all.

Terps are a fraud. Couldn't hang with the big programs at the real Young Guns tournament a few weeks ago.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 won, fl$ won, Gladiators lost in a final...Turtles idle...what is missing here? Terps Black go down and a father gets peeved?

91 won where??? fl$ won where??? Gladiators lost where?? C'mon MANNN. Lets try and keep it real.

Ok, lets "keep it real", what have the Terps Black done this summer? Where have they won? When have they played as a whole team? These other teams have stayed in tact, not addingdropping a player & played their schedule, no excuses. What have the Terps done to remain the "infamous" #2 on LI this summer?

Terps black are the undefeated champs of Univ of Maryland 2017 Young Guns Tournament over the last three days.

Congrats. Who did they beat in the tournament?

This sounds like. Normal response. What's going on here?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The all the LI teams played well although lost
(Although last, I would attribute to better lacrosse
coaching). Biggest problem was the LI parents. In the
game against 83 a mother and father ran onto the
field and confronted a player not even involved in
a scirmish. It was embarrassing. Also witnessed were
the foul language and yelling by the LI parents on both
Gladiators and Team 91. This board should judge
parents on the sidelines and not the teams on the
field. Both Gladiators and 91 were 1-2 and their
parents couldn't have been louder and more obnoxious

91? We simply had a nice time, as always. I am a parent on the 2017 crew, and must say that although the team didn't do as well as usual, there was no problem at all. Strange. Have a nice summer!

Terps Black beat every team they played and won the Young Guns tournament in Maryland. There were teams from all over the country.

There was a lot of strong players at the Young Guns tournament from places like Texas and Central New [lacrosse]. Terps Black did what it took to win. Also six of the Terps Black kids had just completed the Jake Reed the three days before, so I would say it was a heck of a performance.

I completely disagree with the notion that the Jake Reed wasnt worth it. There were plenty of strong players, so I am happy I spent the time and money on it. I am delighted there were no college coaches there, it is not the right time. This was about seeing how you stack up against great players in a showcase type of environment. Big difference from playing on your home team . Great learning experience, and I was also please with how my son played.

Brine on the other hand was full of 2018 and 2019 and while I would agree it was more fun, it was of far less value.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At Patriot Games tournament in PA this weekend, Dukes HHH, BBL Black, Tri-State Black and STEPS in playoff. STEPS knocked off Leading Edge and lost to Dukes by 3. BBL and Dukes undefeated so far. STEPS 2-1, Tri-State 2-1. 4 other teams did not make playoffs including Leading Edge who beat True Blue and Terps + 6-7 Terps Black last week. In tri-state region, other than Turtles, a lot of parity. Dukes best team in 2017 age group in country in my opinion, and win at Crabfeast over Turtles and Crabs I think proves this point.

Look I don't even have a 2017 kid. But something smells fishy.... Prior to this summer Dukes were no match for turtles. Then all of a sudden, they're beating the turtles. They got that good in one season? I'm really tired of these out of state teams. Is this not the same Dukes team that going to the U15 championship? Come on, you know this team is loaded with kids that should be playing 2016. So they can't send the 2016 team cause they're too old. So they take any 2016 that may make cut off and drop them down into 2017 bracket to win a tourn. Bet they get hammered at u-15. Ya know, cause they'll be at a disadvantage playing kids there own age. Doesn't anyone see what's going on here?? I think LI teams should start pulling out of these tourns. Make these BS teams come here and run tourn with birth certificate proof. Then we'll see who wins. My bet, 3 of 4 finalists at u-15 all LI.

I am not a Dukes parent, in fact I am a NJ parent. However, I know most of the kids and ALL are going to be freshmen in the Fall and all obviously qualify for U15. Stop with the age stuff, it is really getting old as an excuse for LI. As said many, many, many times on this site it has to do with different cut off dates in different states for starting kindergarten.

as well as the grade repeaters and hold backs, come on be real..

just to inform you for the next rankings, GC went undefeated at Patriot Games and won each game by at least 6. They are now done for the summer,However, players attending private schools will not be allowed to try out in the fall. and GC has played fl$ twice and has beaten them twice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 won, fl$ won, Gladiators lost in a final...Turtles idle...what is missing here? Terps Black go down and a father gets peeved?

91 won where??? fl$ won where??? Gladiators lost where?? C'mon MANNN. Lets try and keep it real.

Ok, lets "keep it real", what have the Terps Black done this summer? Where have they won? When have they played as a whole team? These other teams have stayed in tact, not addingdropping a player & played their schedule, no excuses. What have the Terps done to remain the "infamous" #2 on LI this summer?

Terps black are the undefeated champs of Univ of Maryland 2017 Young Guns Tournament over the last three days.

LOL. There were THREE 2017 teams there; it's a 2016 tournament, after all.

Terps are a fraud. Couldn't hang with the big programs at the real Young Guns tournament a few weeks ago.

Not sure exactly how many were 2017 teams but in total there were 22 2016/ 2017 teams. Terps BLACK definitely played 2016 teams also because some of the opposing players had full on santa-type beards! Fact is that they were undefeated in a total of 5 games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are we knocking Team 91 or Gladiators? Team 91 won 2 tourneys, lost to Crabs by 1 in Beach Lax...Gladiators have fared well in most tourneys? Where has TB competed? Weak showing at Young Gunz and Terps??? C'mon, what have they done any better than 91 or Gladiators? Who has won in head to head games this year?

As we all know, invitations mean nothing. I can tell you as a parent of a kid on another 2017 team that played both the Gladiators and 91, they are no doubt two of the best travel teams around. If my memory is correct the Gladiators beat Terps Black in OBLL this year? Both the Gladiators and 91 are very well coached, and play disciplined, organized lacrosse. I would line up either against any team from anywhere and be confident they would win. Terps Black are a very good team as is TB, but I dont see how they are any better than either 91 or the Gladiators.

You're a joke. OBLL??? Know for a fact that most Terps Black kids played hs lax and didn't bother with the juvenile OBLL. Get real...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At Patriot Games tournament in PA this weekend, Dukes HHH, BBL Black, Tri-State Black and STEPS in playoff. STEPS knocked off Leading Edge and lost to Dukes by 3. BBL and Dukes undefeated so far. STEPS 2-1, Tri-State 2-1. 4 other teams did not make playoffs including Leading Edge who beat True Blue and Terps + 6-7 Terps Black last week. In tri-state region, other than Turtles, a lot of parity. Dukes best team in 2017 age group in country in my opinion, and win at Crabfeast over Turtles and Crabs I think proves this point.

Look I don't even have a 2017 kid. But something smells fishy.... Prior to this summer Dukes were no match for turtles. Then all of a sudden, they're beating the turtles. They got that good in one season? I'm really tired of these out of state teams. Is this not the same Dukes team that going to the U15 championship? Come on, you know this team is loaded with kids that should be playing 2016. So they can't send the 2016 team cause they're too old. So they take any 2016 that may make cut off and drop them down into 2017 bracket to win a tourn. Bet they get hammered at u-15. Ya know, cause they'll be at a disadvantage playing kids there own age. Doesn't anyone see what's going on here?? I think LI teams should start pulling out of these tourns. Make these BS teams come here and run tourn with birth certificate proof. Then we'll see who wins. My bet, 3 of 4 finalists at u-15 all LI.

Dukes are a a good team, but on any given weekend they can be beat by a number of teams,as has been proven several times by Terps Black. There is a lot of parity in the 2017 year and it depends on who is hot at the moment. When Terps Black plays to win( versus playing the kids whose parents wrote the big checks) they are very hard to beat. I think MC will get the team reorganized this fall to dominate the way his 2016 team is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are we knocking Team 91 or Gladiators? Team 91 won 2 tourneys, lost to Crabs by 1 in Beach Lax...Gladiators have fared well in most tourneys? Where has TB competed? Weak showing at Young Gunz and Terps??? C'mon, what have they done any better than 91 or Gladiators? Who has won in head to head games this year?

Exactly, I believe the criteria was head to head and common opponents. now lets get serious the head to head between TB, Terps Black and 91 was in March since then the common opponents warrents Terps Black fallen down a few pegs. They lost to the Crabs by a few goals and from what people affiliated with The Express said were never in either game, while 91 Orange lost by 1 and was swarming at the end just ran out of time. Both lost to a very good team 91 just was better in doing so. but in your world it will never be enough,to knock the mighty Terps Black down

Not one LI team made it to the semi-finals in fl$ 3D tournament this weekend. Not Gladiators, 91, or fl$. 3D Colorado, 3D NE, Breakers from Baltimore and 83 lacrosse in semis, and Breaks vs. 3D Select CO in final. I guess it didn't advance the cause for the LI rankings for fl$, Gladiators, or 91 this weekend. Average showing at best.

Not a parent of anyone of these teams in this bracket, but it seems to me that because LI has so many teams, the talent is spread out and the top teams are somewhat diluted. Many other states put together 1-2 teams out of hundreds of kids to take on the road. I would think LI still has the deepest talent pool, but others are setting up more elite teams and are also catching up in talent as the sport grows each year.

Well, whatever, but WOW, were those 2017 kids OLD lookin! I've heard the bitchin and whining, but it's time to hold your kids back! Entire teams of 16 year olds, at the 2017 level. Doesn't seem fair, but if you can't beat em.....

I suggest to anyone who is interested in this topic to read "The Outliers" as featured on 60 minutes. Eye opening.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 won, fl$ won, Gladiators lost in a final...Turtles idle...what is missing here? Terps Black go down and a father gets peeved?

91 won where??? fl$ won where??? Gladiators lost where?? C'mon MANNN. Lets try and keep it real.

Ok, lets "keep it real", what have the Terps Black done this summer? Where have they won? When have they played as a whole team? These other teams have stayed in tact, not addingdropping a player & played their schedule, no excuses. What have the Terps done to remain the "infamous" #2 on LI this summer?

Terps black are the undefeated champs of Univ of Maryland 2017 Young Guns Tournament over the last three days.

LOL. There were THREE 2017 teams there; it's a 2016 tournament, after all.

Terps are a fraud. Couldn't hang with the big programs at the real Young Guns tournament a few weeks ago.

Don't get it. Wouldn't a 2017 team playing in a 2016 tourney that is champ an accomplishment?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps Black beat every team they played and won the Young Guns tournament in Maryland. There were teams from all over the country.

There were three 2017 teams there and none of them were any good. How about talking about how the Terps were soundly beaten by several teams at the real Young Guns - the 2017 tournament hosted by the Crabs.

The chest thumping in this forum is unreal. You dads need to get a life.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps Black beat every team they played and won the Young Guns tournament in Maryland. There were teams from all over the country.

Weak competition, nice work for a B level team, congrats

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps Black beat every team they played and won the Young Guns tournament in Maryland. There were teams from all over the country.

Weak competition, nice work for a B level team, congrats

Agreed until the Terps Black can say who they beat this past weekend besides Laxfactory and Iron Horse......did they beat any teams anyone ever heard of or even participated in a top tourney?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

just to inform you for the next rankings, GC went undefeated at Patriot Games and won each game by at least 6. They are now done for the summer,However, players attending private schools will not be allowed to try out in the fall. and GC has played fl$ twice and has beaten them twice.

What division? I didn't see them in the 'AA' or even 'A' divisions.

Terps also beat CT Chargers . All the teams they played were well coached and played fundamental lacrosse.

In 2013:

Dukes: Beat turtles, west coast starz and crabs; lost to breakers, crabs.

Crabs: Beat Dukes, Breakers, VLC, 91, Gladiators; lost to west coast starz, dukes, VLC

West Coast Starz: Beat crabs, dukes, breakers; lost to turtles, dukes, VLC

Turtles: Beat Starz, Breakers; lost to Dukes

In 2013, top 4 2017 teams Dukes, Turtles, Crabs, and WC Starz in no particular order. team represent Philly, MD, LI, and West Coast. Parity is here and talent is widely distributed. Any team can win on any given day which makes this great competition for the boys.

Curious how many of the 2017 kids on these teams are 1998 birth year or older

Pathetic how many kids are held back because of a sport

For all you NJ, MD, and other out of state parents just keeping your kids back so they can shine in a younger age bracket is no excuse...let's keep it real, they can drive to the tournament by themselves as a 2017 player..

i saw GC play recently in the patriot games and in my opinion they deserve a higher ranking.they are really showing how good a town team can be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps also beat CT Chargers . All the teams they played were well coached and played fundamental lacrosse.

Ok, so who else did they beat this past weekend at Young Guns?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps Black beat every team they played and won the Young Guns tournament in Maryland. There were teams from all over the country.

Weak competition, nice work for a B level team, congrats

Agreed until the Terps Black can say who they beat this past weekend besides Laxfactory and Iron Horse......did they beat any teams anyone ever heard of or even participated in a top tourney?

Ct Chargers Bolt something

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In 2013:

Dukes: Beat turtles, west coast starz and crabs; lost to breakers, crabs.

Crabs: Beat Dukes, Breakers, VLC, 91, Gladiators; lost to west coast starz, dukes, VLC

West Coast Starz: Beat crabs, dukes, breakers; lost to turtles, dukes, VLC

Turtles: Beat Starz, Breakers; lost to Dukes

In 2013, top 4 2017 teams Dukes, Turtles, Crabs, and WC Starz in no particular order. team represent Philly, MD, LI, and West Coast. Parity is here and talent is widely distributed. Any team can win on any given day which makes this great competition for the boys.

Agree with this and most balanced assessment I have seen on this forum in awhile. I believe right below these 4 you have Breakers, VLC, Terps Black, maybe 1-2 other LI teams (91, True Blue?), and probably BBL and Patriot from NJ. Don't get upset as I may be missing a few admittedly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Why are we knocking Team 91 or Gladiators? Team 91 won 2 tourneys, lost to Crabs by 1 in Beach Lax...Gladiators have fared well in most tourneys? Where has TB competed? Weak showing at Young Gunz and Terps??? C'mon, what have they done any better than 91 or Gladiators? Who has won in head to head games this year?

Exactly, I believe the criteria was head to head and common opponents. now lets get serious the head to head between TB, Terps Black and 91 was in March since then the common opponents warrents Terps Black fallen down a few pegs. They lost to the Crabs by a few goals and from what people affiliated with The Express said were never in either game, while 91 Orange lost by 1 and was swarming at the end just ran out of time. Both lost to a very good team 91 just was better in doing so. but in your world it will never be enough,to knock the mighty Terps Black down

Not one LI team made it to the semi-finals in fl$ 3D tournament this weekend. Not Gladiators, 91, or fl$. 3D Colorado, 3D NE, Breakers from Baltimore and 83 lacrosse in semis, and Breaks vs. 3D Select CO in final. I guess it didn't advance the cause for the LI rankings for fl$, Gladiators, or 91 this weekend. Average showing at best.

Not a parent of anyone of these teams in this bracket, but it seems to me that because LI has so many teams, the talent is spread out and the top teams are somewhat diluted. Many other states put together 1-2 teams out of hundreds of kids to take on the road. I would think LI still has the deepest talent pool, but others are setting up more elite teams and are also catching up in talent as the sport grows each year.

Well, whatever, but WOW, were those 2017 kids OLD lookin! I've heard the bitchin and whining, but it's time to hold your kids back! Entire teams of 16 year olds, at the 2017 level. Doesn't seem fair, but if you can't beat em.....

I suggest to anyone who is interested in this topic to read "The Outliers" as featured on 60 minutes. Eye opening.....

Read the book, absolutely life changing stuff..... applies to this whole age debate

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious how many of the 2017 kids on these teams are 1998 birth year or older

Pathetic how many kids are held back because of a sport

That's a pathetic statement. Why are you making judgment on personal decisions. There are plenty of reasons kids repeat and not just what you stated. But the bottom line is that it's no ones business. You're silly little jabs are not going to help your kid be a better player by bashing all the standout players in his grade. Nor is it going to get him to look better if you keep complaining. Good luck and hopefully you will do the right thing by your son and help him become a better player so he can make the teams he aspires for.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In 2013:

Dukes: Beat turtles, west coast starz and crabs; lost to breakers, crabs.

Crabs: Beat Dukes, Breakers, VLC, 91, Gladiators; lost to west coast starz, dukes, VLC

West Coast Starz: Beat crabs, dukes, breakers; lost to turtles, dukes, VLC

Turtles: Beat Starz, Breakers; lost to Dukes

In 2013, top 4 2017 teams Dukes, Turtles, Crabs, and WC Starz in no particular order. team represent Philly, MD, LI, and West Coast. Parity is here and talent is widely distributed. Any team can win on any given day which makes this great competition for the boys.

Agree with this and most balanced assessment I have seen on this forum in awhile. I believe right below these 4 you have Breakers, VLC, Terps Black, maybe 1-2 other LI teams (91, True Blue?), and probably BBL and Patriot from NJ. Don't get upset as I may be missing a few admittedly.

Don't forget FCA from Maryland...beat both Breakers and VLC in tourney championships in the last couple weeks...FCA definitely on the level with Crabs, Turtles and Dukes

Let's face it. Unfortunately, lacrosse is one sport where there is no accountability for age requirements as found in other youth sports. But, from here on out these kids will be playing at the high school level and maybe someday in college; they will have to get used to this.
Let's stop worrying about who is better than who, which teams played the most/least competitive teams and won/lost, whether they "drove to the fields themselves, etc. Let them be the best they can be without blaming and knocking others. Teach them to play with their hearts!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

just to inform you for the next rankings, GC went undefeated at Patriot Games and won each game by at least 6. They are now done for the summer,However, players attending private schools will not be allowed to try out in the fall. and GC has played fl$ twice and has beaten them twice.

GC loses 2 defenseman and 3 middies as they are all going to Chaminade. 2 of the 3 middies didn't play at all while both defensemen started. It will be interesting to see how they do next year

FCA has been impressive this year. VLC and Terps Black have taken a slight step back. Top 4 (Dukes Turtles Crabs WCS) sounds about right. Dukes being #1 in my opinion. BBL placed 4th in Young Gunz beating VLC and Denver but got pasted by the crabs in the semis. BBL is a good team on Saturday but Sunday they run out of gas only having 16-18 players. Patriots are a very good team but usually pick tourneys that arent stacked with top 20 teams.

They played in the U-15B-2 bracket.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i saw GC play recently in the patriot games and in my opinion they deserve a higher ranking.they are really showing how good a town team can be.

Hey GC dad, they were in the equivalent of the D division at Pat Games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i saw GC play recently in the patriot games and in my opinion they deserve a higher ranking.they are really showing how good a town team can be.

Hey GC dad, they were in the equivalent of the D division at Pat Games.

Please. The finalists in the U15 AA division at Patriot Games (two divisions above GC) were: Dukes (won it), BBL (runner-up), Tri-State Black and STEPS. STEPS knocked off Leading Edge to get in playoffs. Dukes on another level vs. other semi-finalists. Too much depth and athletes at every position.

Terps black is the best team around right now no question

Remember winter nationals terps beat dukes

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 won, fl$ won, Gladiators lost in a final...Turtles idle...what is missing here? Terps Black go down and a father gets peeved?

91 won where??? fl$ won where??? Gladiators lost where?? C'mon MANNN. Lets try and keep it real.

Ok, lets "keep it real", what have the Terps Black done this summer? Where have they won? When have they played as a whole team? These other teams have stayed in tact, not addingdropping a player & played their schedule, no excuses. What have the Terps done to remain the "infamous" #2 on LI this summer?

Terps black are the undefeated champs of Univ of Maryland 2017 Young Guns Tournament over the last three days.

LOL. There were THREE 2017 teams there; it's a 2016 tournament, after all.

Terps are a fraud. Couldn't hang with the big programs at the real Young Guns tournament a few weeks ago.

West Coast Starz did NOT beat VLC - they lost to them this spring in the only matchup.

At Young Gunz, VLC was missing several key players.

Inside Lacrosse just came out with a nice article on the 2017 talent at the Jake Reed Blue Chip. Of the handful of standout players mentioned two play on Long Island clubs. Rest were from all over the country. Nice that we are still showing some leadership on the island.

It is a competitive society we live in. Step up to the competition no matter what age. Here is the reality if your a freshman in college you will be playing guys 4 to potentially 7 years older(for example a held back kid, a pg year and a redshirt year) Might as well start learning how the world works now. If your kid cant play well against a 2016 he might as well find another sport.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is a competitive society we live in. Step up to the competition no matter what age. Here is the reality if your a freshman in college you will be playing guys 4 to potentially 7 years older(for example a held back kid, a pg year and a redshirt year) Might as well start learning how the world works now. If your kid cant play well against a 2016 he might as well find another sport.

This has to be the all-time dumbest comment. Because someone is unable to play at the level of another individual, they are meant to quit a sport?!!! That is like telling every golfer that did not win this past week's British Open (sorry, The Open) to quit golf because they couldn't compete. People play sports for a variety of reasons, most of them because they enjoy the sport and the camaraderie. Further, the difference in maturiity, physical and emotional, between most Freshmen and Juniors or Seniors are significant; that is why many programs (Chammy, Manhasset, and others) do not generally bring up Freshman onto the Varisty team.. Give people time to mature and they will do remarkable things. Stop assuming that the best kids now will necessarily be the best kids in 2017; many will, but many won't.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is a competitive society we live in. Step up to the competition no matter what age. Here is the reality if your a freshman in college you will be playing guys 4 to potentially 7 years older(for example a held back kid, a pg year and a redshirt year) Might as well start learning how the world works now. If your kid cant play well against a 2016 he might as well find another sport.

This has to be the all-time dumbest comment. Because someone is unable to play at the level of another individual, they are meant to quit a sport?!!! That is like telling every golfer that did not win this past week's British Open (sorry, The Open) to quit golf because they couldn't compete. People play sports for a variety of reasons, most of them because they enjoy the sport and the camaraderie. Further, the difference in maturiity, physical and emotional, between most Freshmen and Juniors or Seniors are significant; that is why many programs (Chammy, Manhasset, and others) do not generally bring up Freshman onto the Varisty team.. Give people time to mature and they will do remarkable things. Stop assuming that the best kids now will necessarily be the best kids in 2017; many will, but many won't.

Wow, someone that has a clue! How refreshing. Its no secret that all the big programs do not bring up younger kids and hence they are successful. Time will tell how these kids that are dominating now do once they get to varsity. Enjoy every minute of your sons success now because it can be gone in a flash. Be humble and keep things in perspective.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious how many of the 2017 kids on these teams are 1998 birth year or older

Pathetic how many kids are held back because of a sport

That's a pathetic statement. Why are you making judgment on personal decisions. There are plenty of reasons kids repeat and not just what you stated. But the bottom line is that it's no ones business. You're silly little jabs are not going to help your kid be a better player by bashing all the standout players in his grade. Nor is it going to get him to look better if you keep complaining. Good luck and hopefully you will do the right thing by your son and help him become a better player so he can make the teams he aspires for.

Why is this such a difficult question to answer? (wasn't my post but, just wondering)There are different reasons for kids to repeat or start late, etc. but, when comparing "apples to apples" at the 13/14/15 year old athletic level, it can't be done when you bring in a team filled with 15/16 year olds playing against 13/14 year olds. It really should be everyone's "business" on a youth sport field. There should be age requirements, not graduation years at the younger levels. Throwing jabs, making excuses, boasting that your 15/16 year old won a 2017 tournament is, sadly, what this forum has become. IDK why it is so difficult for people to say when their kids are born.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious how many of the 2017 kids on these teams are 1998 birth year or older

Pathetic how many kids are held back because of a sport

That's a pathetic statement. Why are you making judgment on personal decisions. There are plenty of reasons kids repeat and not just what you stated. But the bottom line is that it's no ones business. You're silly little jabs are not going to help your kid be a better player by bashing all the standout players in his grade. Nor is it going to get him to look better if you keep complaining. Good luck and hopefully you will do the right thing by your son and help him become a better player so he can make the teams he aspires for.

Why is this such a difficult question to answer? (wasn't my post but, just wondering)There are different reasons for kids to repeat or start late, etc. but, when comparing "apples to apples" at the 13/14/15 year old athletic level, it can't be done when you bring in a team filled with 15/16 year olds playing against 13/14 year olds. It really should be everyone's "business" on a youth sport field. There should be age requirements, not graduation years at the younger levels. Throwing jabs, making excuses, boasting that your 15/16 year old won a 2017 tournament is, sadly, what this forum has become. IDK why it is so difficult for people to say when their kids are born.

Because the truth is sometimes difficult. The only way to solve this is to go to an age based system in the pre-high school years such as the U15 championship run by US Lacrosse. We just need a few other high profile events to change in that direction and eventually it will become the norm. But starting in the high school years - it has to be by graduating class becuase of the recruiting aspect. But at the youth levels, it should always be by age.

Agreed also by high school most of the boys are done growing. The size difference between a 12 and 13 year old will be much greater compared to a 16 to 17 year old. Having age appropriate tournaments with birth certificate proof will stop all of the nonsense with parents holding a child back or different school starts that vary from state to state. This would work as it does in many other sports I.E. hockey .

Unfortunately the 2017 will be starting HS in the fall and will attend JV and varsity level games and this becomes a bit more muted for them, this needs to be a driving force on all the younger level forums. 2022 to 2018

I am curious to the fact for "anyone in the know". Did you start you child late in school (held them back) but currently say your child is "playing up" in grade, although you know the "playing up" is really where they are supposed to be playing in the first place.

This conversation happened on the sidelines of a 2019 game.

Dad x - "Did you know "little Johnny" is playing up, so you could imagine how good he is when he plays with is own grade!!!

Dad y - You do realize the boy he is playing against is my son 3 weeks younger than your son and in the right grade.

Dad x - Wow didn't know that, you should hold him back in 8th grade, he would be a stud in HS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed also by high school most of the boys are done growing. The size difference between a 12 and 13 year old will be much greater compared to a 16 to 17 year old. Having age appropriate tournaments with birth certificate proof will stop all of the nonsense with parents holding a child back or different school starts that vary from state to state. This would work as it does in many other sports I.E. hockey .

Cage - Have you had any conversations with US Lacrosse regarding the U or Aged-Based concerns? I know personally I have written emails and letters regarding this and have never received a response. Maybe someone who has this voice behind you (on your boards) maybe they will listen, or maybe..just maybe they will send out a response or a path forward or at least their ideas.... their silence is maddening in the face of early recruiting and these age discrepancies... and in the end it condones these practice(s) by not leading.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cage - Have you had any conversations with US Lacrosse regarding the U or Aged-Based concerns? I know personally I have written emails and letters regarding this and have never received a response. Maybe someone who has this voice behind you (on your boards) maybe they will listen, or maybe..just maybe they will send out a response or a path forward or at least their ideas.... their silence is maddening in the face of early recruiting and these age discrepancies... and in the end it condones these practice(s) by not leading.....

BOTC had discussions regarding age group structures (one-year vs. two-year U-groups) and player passes during Spring 2012 shortly after the National Conference in Philadelphia. Their answers were that instituting a full-blown player pass system was prohibitively expensive (investment, staffing, audits) and that there were not a sufficient number of documented age-group violations to make the effort worth the expense.

Here is our view. Just like 2011/2012 on BOTC was a year of trying to level the playing field on tournament and tryout visibilty, the theme of 2012/2013 was really one of exposing this age-group problem in more detail as more users have come forward with evidence of issues.

Moreso, several tournaments themselves that had problems in the past with age-group alignments have stepped forward to actually lead the campaign to police their tournament age groups. The Big Time Shootout Tournament was a true leader on the tournament front this year on age policing.

On the one hand, it is great that tournaments are starting to take up the challenge. The downside of course is that US Lacrosse is somewhat "vindicated" in their lack of action with the tournaments now self-policing. We wonder why US Lacrosse sees the need to regulate their U/15 Championships (this week) yet does not recognize that year round obligation.

BOTC works closely with the LIMLF (US Lacrosse's Long Island Chapter) and you can be sure that these issues are front and center of every discussion that we have.

Thank you Cage - unfortunately this is what I thought. They are willing to sacrifice safety and the future of the game because it may be cost prohibitive....Wow, and the leadership in charge are all current or former players which is even more disturbing that as they are charged with growing and leading this game, they are thinking of their wallets and not the future of the sport.... I guess passing the costs on to the membership never came up??? Of course it did, and you know they would if given the opportunity... shameful. I feel terrible for the Native Americans who gave us this sport as the Creator's Game, and US Lacrosse turned it into..."Who Us, We are just Lax Bro's, Chillax...??" Thanks for working for the kids Cage, it is much appreciated and if LIMLF can force a change even better!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Unfortunately the 2017 will be starting HS in the fall and will attend JV and varsity level games and this becomes a bit more muted for them, this needs to be a driving force on all the younger level forums. 2022 to 2018

I am curious to the fact for "anyone in the know". Did you start you child late in school (held them back) but currently say your child is "playing up" in grade, although you know the "playing up" is really where they are supposed to be playing in the first place.

This conversation happened on the sidelines of a 2019 game.

Dad x - "Did you know "little Johnny" is playing up, so you could imagine how good he is when he plays with is own grade!!!

Dad y - You do realize the boy he is playing against is my son 3 weeks younger than your son and in the right grade.

Dad x - Wow didn't know that, you should hold him back in 8th grade, he would be a stud in HS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed also by high school most of the boys are done growing. The size difference between a 12 and 13 year old will be much greater compared to a 16 to 17 year old. Having age appropriate tournaments with birth certificate proof will stop all of the nonsense with parents holding a child back or different school starts that vary from state to state. This would work as it does in many other sports I.E. hockey .

Good post! The thing is this, I can see both sides of this argument. I can speak intelligently on this because I have a son who is currently in 8th grade and playing on a 2017 "A" club team. He is a late November of 1999 kid. This past year was the toughest so far because this is the age where most kids are turning 14 and growing, puberty etc. The age disparity for him is compounded obviously as at some tournaments he can be up to 2 years younger than kids he is playing against. I sometimes think I did him a disservice by not holding him back. I wish I had a dollar for everyone that told me I should hold him back this year. At this point I feel like its too late and he is already established in school and with his friends. Although in my case I will not hold my son back, I can see how some people will.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious how many of the 2017 kids on these teams are 1998 birth year or older

Pathetic how many kids are held back because of a sport

That's a pathetic statement. Why are you making judgment on personal decisions. There are plenty of reasons kids repeat and not just what you stated. But the bottom line is that it's no ones business. You're silly little jabs are not going to help your kid be a better player by bashing all the standout players in his grade. Nor is it going to get him to look better if you keep complaining. Good luck and hopefully you will do the right thing by your son and help him become a better player so he can make the teams he aspires for.

Why is this such a difficult question to answer? (wasn't my post but, just wondering)There are different reasons for kids to repeat or start late, etc. but, when comparing "apples to apples" at the 13/14/15 year old athletic level, it can't be done when you bring in a team filled with 15/16 year olds playing against 13/14 year olds. It really should be everyone's "business" on a youth sport field. There should be age requirements, not graduation years at the younger levels. Throwing jabs, making excuses, boasting that your 15/16 year old won a 2017 tournament is, sadly, what this forum has become. IDK why it is so difficult for people to say when their kids are born.

Because the truth is sometimes difficult. The only way to solve this is to go to an age based system in the pre-high school years such as the U15 championship run by US Lacrosse. We just need a few other high profile events to change in that direction and eventually it will become the norm. But starting in the high school years - it has to be by graduating class becuase of the recruiting aspect. But at the youth levels, it should always be by age.

15/16 yr olds as 2017's seems a little exaggerated. I get your point with the lack of fairness? Really? So when your kid is of the recruiting age, which is scary close to the 2017's, are you going to complain to the D1 coaches that it's not fair that your Johnny is 3 inches shorter and 30 lbs lighter then his peers and that he should recruit your son because that would be the fair thing to do? Give it a break and get a reality check. This past weekend my 14 yr old's 2017 team played against kids with full and really long beards that said they were 2016!!! Guess what? No one complained that it wasn't fair - they dug deep and played and won. So stop complaining and just stick to a less competitive arena if you and your son can't handle it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious how many of the 2017 kids on these teams are 1998 birth year or older

Pathetic how many kids are held back because of a sport

That's a pathetic statement. Why are you making judgment on personal decisions. There are plenty of reasons kids repeat and not just what you stated. But the bottom line is that it's no ones business. You're silly little jabs are not going to help your kid be a better player by bashing all the standout players in his grade. Nor is it going to get him to look better if you keep complaining. Good luck and hopefully you will do the right thing by your son and help him become a better player so he can make the teams he aspires for.

Why is this such a difficult question to answer? (wasn't my post but, just wondering)There are different reasons for kids to repeat or start late, etc. but, when comparing "apples to apples" at the 13/14/15 year old athletic level, it can't be done when you bring in a team filled with 15/16 year olds playing against 13/14 year olds. It really should be everyone's "business" on a youth sport field. There should be age requirements, not graduation years at the younger levels. Throwing jabs, making excuses, boasting that your 15/16 year old won a 2017 tournament is, sadly, what this forum has become. IDK why it is so difficult for people to say when their kids are born.

There are no apple to apple comparisons anymore with regard to age. It may be youth lacrosse, but it is also a gateway to perhaps achieving a higher level of education and having more options when deciding on college. The only comparison that the college recruiters and coaches care about is that of your graduation year. And this reality has trickled down to the youth level as early recruiting has escalated. Harsh reality to the guy who keeps say it's not fair.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious how many of the 2017 kids on these teams are 1998 birth year or older

Pathetic how many kids are held back because of a sport

Wait, can't you have a 1998 birth year and still be 2017 if you were born in sept, oct, and nov in NY as the cutoff date is Dec 1?

Before you consider it crazy that 15/16 yr olds playing 2017 look at UNC lacrosse roster - do the math - at least one player would qualify having gone through MS and HS that way and is now a 21 yr old Soph.... Fair or not fair - it happens and will happen and college coaches could not care if you are a 30yr old sophomore or 16yr old Senior - if you can run by someone and score goals...they are satisfied.. If the system is "lax" enough for people to take advantage or find loopholes..people will...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Unfortunately the 2017 will be starting HS in the fall and will attend JV and varsity level games and this becomes a bit more muted for them, this needs to be a driving force on all the younger level forums. 2022 to 2018

I am curious to the fact for "anyone in the know". Did you start you child late in school (held them back) but currently say your child is "playing up" in grade, although you know the "playing up" is really where they are supposed to be playing in the first place.

This conversation happened on the sidelines of a 2019 game.

Dad x - "Did you know "little Johnny" is playing up, so you could imagine how good he is when he plays with is own grade!!!

Dad y - You do realize the boy he is playing against is my son 3 weeks younger than your son and in the right grade.

Dad x - Wow didn't know that, you should hold him back in 8th grade, he would be a stud in HS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed also by high school most of the boys are done growing. The size difference between a 12 and 13 year old will be much greater compared to a 16 to 17 year old. Having age appropriate tournaments with birth certificate proof will stop all of the nonsense with parents holding a child back or different school starts that vary from state to state. This would work as it does in many other sports I.E. hockey .

Good post! The thing is this, I can see both sides of this argument. I can speak intelligently on this because I have a son who is currently in 8th grade and playing on a 2017 "A" club team. He is a late November of 1999 kid. This past year was the toughest so far because this is the age where most kids are turning 14 and growing, puberty etc. The age disparity for him is compounded obviously as at some tournaments he can be up to 2 years younger than kids he is playing against. I sometimes think I did him a disservice by not holding him back. I wish I had a dollar for everyone that told me I should hold him back this year. At this point I feel like its too late and he is already established in school and with his friends. Although in my case I will not hold my son back, I can see how some people will.

The public schools will not allow you to hold your kid back for athletic reasons. If one was inclined to do so, how could it be done without moving the kid to a private school like maybe friends or greenvale? I'd like to know if anybody has been able to do this for other than academic reasons. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Unfortunately the 2017 will be starting HS in the fall and will attend JV and varsity level games and this becomes a bit more muted for them, this needs to be a driving force on all the younger level forums. 2022 to 2018

I am curious to the fact for "anyone in the know". Did you start you child late in school (held them back) but currently say your child is "playing up" in grade, although you know the "playing up" is really where they are supposed to be playing in the first place.

This conversation happened on the sidelines of a 2019 game.

Dad x - "Did you know "little Johnny" is playing up, so you could imagine how good he is when he plays with is own grade!!!

Dad y - You do realize the boy he is playing against is my son 3 weeks younger than your son and in the right grade.

Dad x - Wow didn't know that, you should hold him back in 8th grade, he would be a stud in HS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed also by high school most of the boys are done growing. The size difference between a 12 and 13 year old will be much greater compared to a 16 to 17 year old. Having age appropriate tournaments with birth certificate proof will stop all of the nonsense with parents holding a child back or different school starts that vary from state to state. This would work as it does in many other sports I.E. hockey .

Good post! The thing is this, I can see both sides of this argument. I can speak intelligently on this because I have a son who is currently in 8th grade and playing on a 2017 "A" club team. He is a late November of 1999 kid. This past year was the toughest so far because this is the age where most kids are turning 14 and growing, puberty etc. The age disparity for him is compounded obviously as at some tournaments he can be up to 2 years younger than kids he is playing against. I sometimes think I did him a disservice by not holding him back. I wish I had a dollar for everyone that told me I should hold him back this year. At this point I feel like its too late and he is already established in school and with his friends. Although in my case I will not hold my son back, I can see how some people will.

The public schools will not allow you to hold your kid back for athletic reasons. If one was inclined to do so, how could it be done without moving the kid to a private school like maybe friends or greenvale? I'd like to know if anybody has been able to do this for other than academic reasons. Thanks.

If you're interested then I suggest to call the schools and see what they say.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious how many of the 2017 kids on these teams are 1998 birth year or older

Pathetic how many kids are held back because of a sport

That's a pathetic statement. Why are you making judgment on personal decisions. There are plenty of reasons kids repeat and not just what you stated. But the bottom line is that it's no ones business. You're silly little jabs are not going to help your kid be a better player by bashing all the standout players in his grade. Nor is it going to get him to look better if you keep complaining. Good luck and hopefully you will do the right thing by your son and help him become a better player so he can make the teams he aspires for.

Why is this such a difficult question to answer? (wasn't my post but, just wondering)There are different reasons for kids to repeat or start late, etc. but, when comparing "apples to apples" at the 13/14/15 year old athletic level, it can't be done when you bring in a team filled with 15/16 year olds playing against 13/14 year olds. It really should be everyone's "business" on a youth sport field. There should be age requirements, not graduation years at the younger levels. Throwing jabs, making excuses, boasting that your 15/16 year old won a 2017 tournament is, sadly, what this forum has become. IDK why it is so difficult for people to say when their kids are born.

There are no apple to apple comparisons anymore with regard to age. It may be youth lacrosse, but it is also a gateway to perhaps achieving a higher level of education and having more options when deciding on college. The only comparison that the college recruiters and coaches care about is that of your graduation year. And this reality has trickled down to the youth level as early recruiting has escalated. Harsh reality to the guy who keeps say it's not fair.

Agree. On the younger end isn't it the bigger kids that standout? So they may be the ones picked for the more competitive teams, that may have better coaching, that play better competition, that may just get to be great players from just by being bigger when they were younger?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Before you consider it crazy that 15/16 yr olds playing 2017 look at UNC lacrosse roster - do the math - at least one player would qualify having gone through MS and HS that way and is now a 21 yr old Soph.... Fair or not fair - it happens and will happen and college coaches could not care if you are a 30yr old sophomore or 16yr old Senior - if you can run by someone and score goals...they are satisfied.. If the system is "lax" enough for people to take advantage or find loopholes..people will...

Wow! Just looked at UNC roster. Incredible!!! NY kids are at a huge disadvantage with regard to age. Sure puts these forum comments in perspective about the age vs grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Unfortunately the 2017 will be starting HS in the fall and will attend JV and varsity level games and this becomes a bit more muted for them, this needs to be a driving force on all the younger level forums. 2022 to 2018

I am curious to the fact for "anyone in the know". Did you start you child late in school (held them back) but currently say your child is "playing up" in grade, although you know the "playing up" is really where they are supposed to be playing in the first place.

This conversation happened on the sidelines of a 2019 game.

Dad x - "Did you know "little Johnny" is playing up, so you could imagine how good he is when he plays with is own grade!!!

Dad y - You do realize the boy he is playing against is my son 3 weeks younger than your son and in the right grade.

Dad x - Wow didn't know that, you should hold him back in 8th grade, he would be a stud in HS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed also by high school most of the boys are done growing. The size difference between a 12 and 13 year old will be much greater compared to a 16 to 17 year old. Having age appropriate tournaments with birth certificate proof will stop all of the nonsense with parents holding a child back or different school starts that vary from state to state. This would work as it does in many other sports I.E. hockey .

Good post! The thing is this, I can see both sides of this argument. I can speak intelligently on this because I have a son who is currently in 8th grade and playing on a 2017 "A" club team. He is a late November of 1999 kid. This past year was the toughest so far because this is the age where most kids are turning 14 and growing, puberty etc. The age disparity for him is compounded obviously as at some tournaments he can be up to 2 years younger than kids he is playing against. I sometimes think I did him a disservice by not holding him back. I wish I had a dollar for everyone that told me I should hold him back this year. At this point I feel like its too late and he is already established in school and with his friends. Although in my case I will not hold my son back, I can see how some people will.

The public schools will not allow you to hold your kid back for athletic reasons. If one was inclined to do so, how could it be done without moving the kid to a private school like maybe friends or greenvale? I'd like to know if anybody has been able to do this for other than academic reasons. Thanks.

If you're interested then I suggest to call the schools and see what they say.

Anyone holding a child back for athletic reasons is short sighted and quite frankly a bad parent. Social or academic immaturity is a valid retionale, anything else is a parent living vicariously thru their children...especially in lacrosse when a college scholarship amounts to only a few thousand dollars a year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Unfortunately the 2017 will be starting HS in the fall and will attend JV and varsity level games and this becomes a bit more muted for them, this needs to be a driving force on all the younger level forums. 2022 to 2018

I am curious to the fact for "anyone in the know". Did you start you child late in school (held them back) but currently say your child is "playing up" in grade, although you know the "playing up" is really where they are supposed to be playing in the first place.

This conversation happened on the sidelines of a 2019 game.

Dad x - "Did you know "little Johnny" is playing up, so you could imagine how good he is when he plays with is own grade!!!

Dad y - You do realize the boy he is playing against is my son 3 weeks younger than your son and in the right grade.

Dad x - Wow didn't know that, you should hold him back in 8th grade, he would be a stud in HS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed also by high school most of the boys are done growing. The size difference between a 12 and 13 year old will be much greater compared to a 16 to 17 year old. Having age appropriate tournaments with birth certificate proof will stop all of the nonsense with parents holding a child back or different school starts that vary from state to state. This would work as it does in many other sports I.E. hockey .

Good post! The thing is this, I can see both sides of this argument. I can speak intelligently on this because I have a son who is currently in 8th grade and playing on a 2017 "A" club team. He is a late November of 1999 kid. This past year was the toughest so far because this is the age where most kids are turning 14 and growing, puberty etc. The age disparity for him is compounded obviously as at some tournaments he can be up to 2 years younger than kids he is playing against. I sometimes think I did him a disservice by not holding him back. I wish I had a dollar for everyone that told me I should hold him back this year. At this point I feel like its too late and he is already established in school and with his friends. Although in my case I will not hold my son back, I can see how some people will.

The public schools will not allow you to hold your kid back for athletic reasons. If one was inclined to do so, how could it be done without moving the kid to a private school like maybe friends or greenvale? I'd like to know if anybody has been able to do this for other than academic reasons. Thanks.

If you're interested then I suggest to call the schools and see what they say.

I do know this happens for hockey and kids leave their public school and repeat their junior year in a very elite, private school with an excellent hockey team that has a good record for kids going off to division 1 hockey teams upon graduation. This is not a secret and is spoken of openly.

I have not heard of anyone doing that in lacrosse as of yet, but it would not surprise me.

I do think that teams and tournaments should police on their own if US LAx will not. I think once you hit 9th grade you can go grade level. My son is a solid 14 year old and weighs 165- friends of his weigh as much as 185 and others weigh 87. There is a huge difference at the 8th grade level.

However, I also have a son that started school late for language and maturity reasons. He does not happen to be big for his age, and is still quite immature, so would hate for him to be penalized for his age when he misses the cut off by 2 weeks and needed that extra time to develop along with his peers and not be left behind his peers to struggle each year.

You cannot have it both ways though, and even though my youngest son would be penalized and not allowed to play with his friends ( and he is not a stand out player- so he probably would not be able to make a team if he tried out with the grade up)- I think it is important to do so for the majority of the kids and their safety.

The reality is, unless your son is a physical beast no matter his age, the chances he will play D1 lacrosse are slim. Gear your kid towards getting on the field in High school and going to a good academic college. Nothing wrong with D3 lacrosse. Some of the best schools in the country are D3 and they just so happen to have great lacrosse programs. Be realistic about your child and his abilities. Raise your son to be a responsible, hard working kid and youll be amazed at the results. Lacrosse at this age should be about having fun, getting better and setting himself up for the next level, which is high school.

Public schools can't allow kids being held back for non-academic reasons for no other reason than they'd have 50 kids a year being held back if crazy parents were allowed to. That would lead to classroom overcrowding, pressure on an already crushed budget etc..Can't blame the public school administrators for telling people to send their kids to a private school if they want to do this. With the financial strains that nearly every public school is dealing with - they are not the right environment, nor is it their mandate/charter/responsibility to provide a platform to incubate better lacrosse players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Unfortunately the 2017 will be starting HS in the fall and will attend JV and varsity level games and this becomes a bit more muted for them, this needs to be a driving force on all the younger level forums. 2022 to 2018

I am curious to the fact for "anyone in the know". Did you start you child late in school (held them back) but currently say your child is "playing up" in grade, although you know the "playing up" is really where they are supposed to be playing in the first place.

This conversation happened on the sidelines of a 2019 game.

Dad x - "Did you know "little Johnny" is playing up, so you could imagine how good he is when he plays with is own grade!!!

Dad y - You do realize the boy he is playing against is my son 3 weeks younger than your son and in the right grade.

Dad x - Wow didn't know that, you should hold him back in 8th grade, he would be a stud in HS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed also by high school most of the boys are done growing. The size difference between a 12 and 13 year old will be much greater compared to a 16 to 17 year old. Having age appropriate tournaments with birth certificate proof will stop all of the nonsense with parents holding a child back or different school starts that vary from state to state. This would work as it does in many other sports I.E. hockey .

Good post! The thing is this, I can see both sides of this argument. I can speak intelligently on this because I have a son who is currently in 8th grade and playing on a 2017 "A" club team. He is a late November of 1999 kid. This past year was the toughest so far because this is the age where most kids are turning 14 and growing, puberty etc. The age disparity for him is compounded obviously as at some tournaments he can be up to 2 years younger than kids he is playing against. I sometimes think I did him a disservice by not holding him back. I wish I had a dollar for everyone that told me I should hold him back this year. At this point I feel like its too late and he is already established in school and with his friends. Although in my case I will not hold my son back, I can see how some people will.

The public schools will not allow you to hold your kid back for athletic reasons. If one was inclined to do so, how could it be done without moving the kid to a private school like maybe friends or greenvale? I'd like to know if anybody has been able to do this for other than academic reasons. Thanks.

If you're interested then I suggest to call the schools and see what they say.

I do know this happens for hockey and kids leave their public school and repeat their junior year in a very elite, private school with an excellent hockey team that has a good record for kids going off to division 1 hockey teams upon graduation. This is not a secret and is spoken of openly.

I have not heard of anyone doing that in lacrosse as of yet, but it would not surprise me.

I do think that teams and tournaments should police on their own if US LAx will not. I think once you hit 9th grade you can go grade level. My son is a solid 14 year old and weighs 165- friends of his weigh as much as 185 and others weigh 87. There is a huge difference at the 8th grade level.

However, I also have a son that started school late for language and maturity reasons. He does not happen to be big for his age, and is still quite immature, so would hate for him to be penalized for his age when he misses the cut off by 2 weeks and needed that extra time to develop along with his peers and not be left behind his peers to struggle each year.

You cannot have it both ways though, and even though my youngest son would be penalized and not allowed to play with his friends ( and he is not a stand out player- so he probably would not be able to make a team if he tried out with the grade up)- I think it is important to do so for the majority of the kids and their safety.

On word "Maryland"

I was not talking the Nov or Dec kids, I am talking Sept and prior players.

Dad y - has a son DOB last week sept 2001 plays 2019.
Dad x - I am not 100% certain the other childs DOB rumored to be prior to June 2001.

Dad y didn't no how to work the system
Dad x worked the system in 2nd or 3rd grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Unfortunately the 2017 will be starting HS in the fall and will attend JV and varsity level games and this becomes a bit more muted for them, this needs to be a driving force on all the younger level forums. 2022 to 2018

I am curious to the fact for "anyone in the know". Did you start you child late in school (held them back) but currently say your child is "playing up" in grade, although you know the "playing up" is really where they are supposed to be playing in the first place.

This conversation happened on the sidelines of a 2019 game.

Dad x - "Did you know "little Johnny" is playing up, so you could imagine how good he is when he plays with is own grade!!!

Dad y - You do realize the boy he is playing against is my son 3 weeks younger than your son and in the right grade.

Dad x - Wow didn't know that, you should hold him back in 8th grade, he would be a stud in HS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed also by high school most of the boys are done growing. The size difference between a 12 and 13 year old will be much greater compared to a 16 to 17 year old. Having age appropriate tournaments with birth certificate proof will stop all of the nonsense with parents holding a child back or different school starts that vary from state to state. This would work as it does in many other sports I.E. hockey .

Good post! The thing is this, I can see both sides of this argument. I can speak intelligently on this because I have a son who is currently in 8th grade and playing on a 2017 "A" club team. He is a late November of 1999 kid. This past year was the toughest so far because this is the age where most kids are turning 14 and growing, puberty etc. The age disparity for him is compounded obviously as at some tournaments he can be up to 2 years younger than kids he is playing against. I sometimes think I did him a disservice by not holding him back. I wish I had a dollar for everyone that told me I should hold him back this year. At this point I feel like its too late and he is already established in school and with his friends. Although in my case I will not hold my son back, I can see how some people will.

This is the wrong forum for this discussion. 2017s start High School in a few weeks and at that point nearly everyone agrees club teams should be grade based. Please ignore comments of rising 9th grade teams full of 16 and 17 year olds. This is simply not a reality and the statement is made in attempt to spark emotions.

US Lacrosse uses 2 year age groupings because there are simply not enough players in most of the country to field competitive single year teams. With that said, for LI and the rest of the country there are limited age problems on grade based teams with the exception of held back 7th & 5th graders who are U13 and U11 ineligible respectively. A boy would need to be held back twice to be age ineligible as an 8th or 6th grader.

For 2013-2014 academic season (Sept 1, 2013 � August 31, 2014)

U15 = anyone who is age eligible including High School students = boys born on or after Sept 1, 1998
U15 Middle School = 2018 High School grad year (8th grade) = boys born on or after Sept 1, 1998
U13(�AA� or �A�) = 2019 High School grad year (7th grade) = boys born on or after Sept 1, 2000
U13(�B�) = 2020 High School grad year (6th grade) = boys born on or after Sept 1, 2000
U11(�AA� or �A�) = 2021 High School grad year (5th grade) = boys born on or after Sept 1, 2002
U11(�B�) = 2022 High School grad year (4th grade) = boys born on or after Sept 1, 2002
U9 = 2023 High School grad year (3rd grade) = boys born on or after Sept 1, 2004

To illustrate for the soon to be completed 2012-2013 academic season (Sept 1, 2012 � August 31, 2013)

U15 = anyone who is age eligible including High School students = boys born on or after Sept 1, 1997
U15 Middle School = 2017 High School grad year (8th grade) = boys born on or after Sept 1, 1997
U13(�AA� or �A�) = 2018 High School grad year (7th grade) = boys born on or after Sept 1, 1999
U13(�B�) = 2019 High School grad year (6th grade) = boys born on or after Sept 1, 1999
U11(�AA� or �A�) = 2020 High School grad year (5th grade) = boys born on or after Sept 1, 2001
U11(�B�) = 2021 High School grad year (4th grade) = boys born on or after Sept 1, 2001
U9 = 2022 High School grad year (3rd grade) = boys born on or after Sept 1, 2003

A very high percentage of the your team is older than mine and this is why my team lost argument is made to validate to your son why his team lost without having to state the other team was simply better than you during the one hour you played against them.

I don't live in Maryland, but the obsession you NY folks have with that state and the supposed ubiquity of "older" kids per grade is beyond bizarre.

I think you are taking my comment out of context. I did not intend for someone 2017 to quit the sport because they can't compete against a 2016. All I meant is that if the goal is to play college lacrosse a young man has to understand what it takes to compete against older bigger players. If they are not willing to compete against older kids then they should modify their expectations or wait until they are more physically mature. One of the problems with youth sports is that everyone thinks it is a path to the big time. Thus they take it personally when obstacles come up. Players who are champions and can compete at high levels thrive on the challenge.

Maryland is full of kids that are held back solely for lacrosse reasons. I don't have a problem with that it just makes it sweeter when we beat them from Long Island. I was at the Jake Reed event and the best players by far were from the Island.

Did the Jesters disappear, no one talks about them any more

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't live in Maryland, but the obsession you NY folks have with that state and the supposed ubiquity of "older" kids per grade is beyond bizarre.

Not bizarre, nut job. If all tournaments go age based and verified by birth certificate, this whole argument goes away. MD teams have been doing this garbage for years... It's a fact, not an obsession. Also, to the guys who keep posting the U age brackets... Stop. The problem is in grade based tournaments, teams drop down to lowest grade on the team. (i.e. U-15 into 2017)grade repeaters and hold back teams have huge advantage. Where I come from, that's cheating, and until the sport does something about it certain teams from certain states will continue to game the system. Case closed!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't live in Maryland, but the obsession you NY folks have with that state and the supposed ubiquity of "older" kids per grade is beyond bizarre.

Not bizarre, nut job. If all tournaments go age based and verified by birth certificate, this whole argument goes away. MD teams have been doing this garbage for years... It's a fact, not an obsession. Also, to the guys who keep posting the U age brackets... Stop. The problem is in grade based tournaments, teams drop down to lowest grade on the team. (i.e. U-15 into 2017)grade repeaters and hold back teams have huge advantage. Where I come from, that's cheating, and until the sport does something about it certain teams from certain states will continue to game the system. Case closed!!!

Watch out - I think that bush behind you just moved.

You need to loosen your tin foil hat.

What grade based tournaments do your sons play where the team plays at the grade of the YOUNGEST player on the team??????? Seems like, in MD, anyway, the team has to play based on the oldest player on the squad for GRADE based tournaments.

i know a parent sending his kid to repeat the 8th grade to a prep school that cost about $40k per year....
pay me now or pay me later...

I think all tournaments should be open. No age limit. Put the best players in and filter down from there. Would be fun to watch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maryland is full of kids that are held back solely for lacrosse reasons. I don't have a problem with that it just makes it sweeter when we beat them from Long Island. I was at the Jake Reed event and the best players by far were from the Island.

That's because the best Maryland kids are already committed and don't need to be there. Jack off.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maryland is full of kids that are held back solely for lacrosse reasons. I don't have a problem with that it just makes it sweeter when we beat them from Long Island. I was at the Jake Reed event and the best players by far were from the Island.

1) You are wrong, schools do not allow hold back for athletic purposes
2) I don't think a long island team beat a Maryland team this year at the high level in the 2017 year
3) LI boys were good at Jake Reed but did not stand out and only one mentioned in Inside Lacrosse article

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Unfortunately the 2017 will be starting HS in the fall and will attend JV and varsity level games and this becomes a bit more muted for them, this needs to be a driving force on all the younger level forums. 2022 to 2018

I am curious to the fact for "anyone in the know". Did you start you child late in school (held them back) but currently say your child is "playing up" in grade, although you know the "playing up" is really where they are supposed to be playing in the first place.

This conversation happened on the sidelines of a 2019 game.

Dad x - "Did you know "little Johnny" is playing up, so you could imagine how good he is when he plays with is own grade!!!

Dad y - You do realize the boy he is playing against is my son 3 weeks younger than your son and in the right grade.

Dad x - Wow didn't know that, you should hold him back in 8th grade, he would be a stud in HS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed also by high school most of the boys are done growing. The size difference between a 12 and 13 year old will be much greater compared to a 16 to 17 year old. Having age appropriate tournaments with birth certificate proof will stop all of the nonsense with parents holding a child back or different school starts that vary from state to state. This would work as it does in many other sports I.E. hockey .

Good post! The thing is this, I can see both sides of this argument. I can speak intelligently on this because I have a son who is currently in 8th grade and playing on a 2017 "A" club team. He is a late November of 1999 kid. This past year was the toughest so far because this is the age where most kids are turning 14 and growing, puberty etc. The age disparity for him is compounded obviously as at some tournaments he can be up to 2 years younger than kids he is playing against. I sometimes think I did him a disservice by not holding him back. I wish I had a dollar for everyone that told me I should hold him back this year. At this point I feel like its too late and he is already established in school and with his friends. Although in my case I will not hold my son back, I can see how some people will.

The public schools will not allow you to hold your kid back for athletic reasons. If one was inclined to do so, how could it be done without moving the kid to a private school like maybe friends or greenvale? I'd like to know if anybody has been able to do this for other than academic reasons. Thanks.

If you're interested then I suggest to call the schools and see what they say.

Anyone holding a child back for athletic reasons is short sighted and quite frankly a bad parent. Social or academic immaturity is a valid retionale, anything else is a parent living vicariously thru their children...especially in lacrosse when a college scholarship amounts to only a few thousand dollars a year

This topic has clearly hit a sore spot with you if you feel it necessary to call someone a bad parent. And not for nothing but if you're sighting lacrosse scholarship money availability then you're missing the point. There are plenty of new D1 programs out there happy to throw money at you. For most, though, it's about getting into a school you may not otherwise get into without a supported application.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What grade based tournaments do your sons play where the team plays at the grade of the YOUNGEST player on the team??????? Seems like, in MD, anyway, the team has to play based on the oldest player on the squad for GRADE based tournaments.

The rule for all tournaments is that the team has to play to their oldest player. In reality I know for a fact that a lot of teams play to their youngest player.

For example if a team this summer is split evenly between rising 9th and 8th graders they will play all their tournaments as an 8th grade team.

It is important to show the brackets because when you actually read them you find out very few if any people are cheating.

In grade based tournaments teams go with the highest grade of their players. Comments to the contrary are attempts to spark controversy.

In age based tournaments it is nearly impossible for teams to cheat with the exception of 7th grade/U13 and 5th grade/U11. The two year age cutoff for US Lacrosse makes it so.

Also, following up a bunch of inflammatory statements with the words "case closed" does not actually close the case!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't live in Maryland, but the obsession you NY folks have with that state and the supposed ubiquity of "older" kids per grade is beyond bizarre.

Not bizarre, nut job. If all tournaments go age based and verified by birth certificate, this whole argument goes away. MD teams have been doing this garbage for years... It's a fact, not an obsession. Also, to the guys who keep posting the U age brackets... Stop. The problem is in grade based tournaments, teams drop down to lowest grade on the team. (i.e. U-15 into 2017)grade repeaters and hold back teams have huge advantage. Where I come from, that's cheating, and until the sport does something about it certain teams from certain states will continue to game the system. Case closed!!!

How many rising 9th graders will have to leave their club team to play for a school program this year? Will that change the rosters on any of the top teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious how many of the 2017 kids on these teams are 1998 birth year or older

Pathetic how many kids are held back because of a sport

That's a pathetic statement. Why are you making judgment on personal decisions. There are plenty of reasons kids repeat and not just what you stated. But the bottom line is that it's no ones business. You're silly little jabs are not going to help your kid be a better player by bashing all the standout players in his grade. Nor is it going to get him to look better if you keep complaining. Good luck and hopefully you will do the right thing by your son and help him become a better player so he can make the teams he aspires for.

Why is this such a difficult question to answer? (wasn't my post but, just wondering)There are different reasons for kids to repeat or start late, etc. but, when comparing "apples to apples" at the 13/14/15 year old athletic level, it can't be done when you bring in a team filled with 15/16 year olds playing against 13/14 year olds. It really should be everyone's "business" on a youth sport field. There should be age requirements, not graduation years at the younger levels. Throwing jabs, making excuses, boasting that your 15/16 year old won a 2017 tournament is, sadly, what this forum has become. IDK why it is so difficult for people to say when their kids are born.

Because the truth is sometimes difficult. The only way to solve this is to go to an age based system in the pre-high school years such as the U15 championship run by US Lacrosse. We just need a few other high profile events to change in that direction and eventually it will become the norm. But starting in the high school years - it has to be by graduating class becuase of the recruiting aspect. But at the youth levels, it should always be by age.

15/16 yr olds as 2017's seems a little exaggerated. I get your point with the lack of fairness? Really? So when your kid is of the recruiting age, which is scary close to the 2017's, are you going to complain to the D1 coaches that it's not fair that your Johnny is 3 inches shorter and 30 lbs lighter then his peers and that he should recruit your son because that would be the fair thing to do? Give it a break and get a reality check. This past weekend my 14 yr old's 2017 team played against kids with full and really long beards that said they were 2016!!! Guess what? No one complained that it wasn't fair - they dug deep and played and won. So stop complaining and just stick to a less competitive arena if you and your son can't handle it.

Thanks for the suggestion but, I don't need a reality check. 15/16 year old is not an exaggeration when you have a 9/97 kid that was put into a prep school for a year & will now enter the 9th grade to graduate in 2017. It happens all of the time. As one poster stated, look @ the UNC roster. Again, I will ask why it is so difficult for people to say when their child was born? If you aren't doing anything wrong, it shouldn't be a problem. My son is a very mature looking 14 year old, who through the years has been questioned regarding his age & we have always answered the question.

IDK why you seem so angry or why you would suggest my son couldn't handle it & seek a less competitive arena. You have no idea who he is or what team he plays for. I never said my son didn't "step up" or "Man up" or whatever "Manly" thing you would like to call it. You said yourself that your 14 year old played kids with beards & were 2016!! The question was asked & everyone skirts the issue. I was just wondering why. As for complaining to the D1 coach, that just wouldn't happen, silly question.

Terps Black beat several maryland teams plus beat Dukes.

No player should be forced to play for their summer town team. There is an obvious conflict of interest when high school coaches are bullying kids to play for them (and pay them!) in the summer with the threat of benching them in the Spring. At some point the school's administration and county conference directors should be made aware of this behavior. In any other business, it's considered extortion.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many rising 9th graders will have to leave their club team to play for a school program this year? Will that change the rosters on any of the top teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps Black beat several maryland teams plus beat Dukes.

What Maryland team did they beat this year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps Black beat several maryland teams plus beat Dukes.

Give it a rest. Why do you need to post that your sons team won a tournament? MANY teams have won tournaments this summer. Are you waiting for the LI Rankings to be posted by someone's father again? (because that definitely means its official:)

What team that is a split grade/age team plays by the youngest grade or age? Come on I don't believe you. Maybe if they had 2 or 3 older boys but the team was "MAINLY" young I could see it happen. Don't like that it might but could see it. But a team that is 1/2 one age/grade and 1/2 another I cant see adults being so irresponsible.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What grade based tournaments do your sons play where the team plays at the grade of the YOUNGEST player on the team??????? Seems like, in MD, anyway, the team has to play based on the oldest player on the squad for GRADE based tournaments.

The rule for all tournaments is that the team has to play to their oldest player. In reality I know for a fact that a lot of teams play to their youngest player.

For example if a team this summer is split evenly between rising 9th and 8th graders they will play all their tournaments as an 8th grade team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No player should be forced to play for their summer town team. There is an obvious conflict of interest when high school coaches are bullying kids to play for them (and pay them!) in the summer with the threat of benching them in the Spring. At some point the school's administration and county conference directors should be made aware of this behavior. In any other business, it's considered extortion.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many rising 9th graders will have to leave their club team to play for a school program this year? Will that change the rosters on any of the top teams?

Express has been doing this for years with kids going to St. Anthony's. Very few have had the guts to stray and play for clubs other than the Express. That's as wrong as it gets.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious how many of the 2017 kids on these teams are 1998 birth year or older

Pathetic how many kids are held back because of a sport

That's a pathetic statement. Why are you making judgment on personal decisions. There are plenty of reasons kids repeat and not just what you stated. But the bottom line is that it's no ones business. You're silly little jabs are not going to help your kid be a better player by bashing all the standout players in his grade. Nor is it going to get him to look better if you keep complaining. Good luck and hopefully you will do the right thing by your son and help him become a better player so he can make the teams he aspires for.

Why is this such a difficult question to answer? (wasn't my post but, just wondering)There are different reasons for kids to repeat or start late, etc. but, when comparing "apples to apples" at the 13/14/15 year old athletic level, it can't be done when you bring in a team filled with 15/16 year olds playing against 13/14 year olds. It really should be everyone's "business" on a youth sport field. There should be age requirements, not graduation years at the younger levels. Throwing jabs, making excuses, boasting that your 15/16 year old won a 2017 tournament is, sadly, what this forum has become. IDK why it is so difficult for people to say when their kids are born.

Because the truth is sometimes difficult. The only way to solve this is to go to an age based system in the pre-high school years such as the U15 championship run by US Lacrosse. We just need a few other high profile events to change in that direction and eventually it will become the norm. But starting in the high school years - it has to be by graduating class becuase of the recruiting aspect. But at the youth levels, it should always be by age.

15/16 yr olds as 2017's seems a little exaggerated. I get your point with the lack of fairness? Really? So when your kid is of the recruiting age, which is scary close to the 2017's, are you going to complain to the D1 coaches that it's not fair that your Johnny is 3 inches shorter and 30 lbs lighter then his peers and that he should recruit your son because that would be the fair thing to do? Give it a break and get a reality check. This past weekend my 14 yr old's 2017 team played against kids with full and really long beards that said they were 2016!!! Guess what? No one complained that it wasn't fair - they dug deep and played and won. So stop complaining and just stick to a less competitive arena if you and your son can't handle it.

Thanks for the suggestion but, I don't need a reality check. 15/16 year old is not an exaggeration when you have a 9/97 kid that was put into a prep school for a year & will now enter the 9th grade to graduate in 2017. It happens all of the time. As one poster stated, look @ the UNC roster. Again, I will ask why it is so difficult for people to say when their child was born? If you aren't doing anything wrong, it shouldn't be a problem. My son is a very mature looking 14 year old, who through the years has been questioned regarding his age & we have always answered the question.

IDK why you seem so angry or why you would suggest my son couldn't handle it & seek a less competitive arena. You have no idea who he is or what team he plays for. I never said my son didn't "step up" or "Man up" or whatever "Manly" thing you would like to call it. You said yourself that your 14 year old played kids with beards & were 2016!! The question was asked & everyone skirts the issue. I was just wondering why. As for complaining to the D1 coach, that just wouldn't happen, silly question.

Not sure I agree with you or the previous poster, but I have a problem with people wanting to know things that are none of their business - like your mature looking son's age. That's pathetic and in my opinion it's usually the people who's kid isn't that good and they need an excuse for that. Just saying.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i know a parent sending his kid to repeat the 8th grade to a prep school that cost about $40k per year....
pay me now or pay me later...

Smartest thing I've read on this board so far!

Anyone hearing about Baltimore teams "recruiting" some boys from LI to play next summer...heard about Crabs and also heard FCA is starting a LI chapter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i know a parent sending his kid to repeat the 8th grade to a prep school that cost about $40k per year....
pay me now or pay me later...

Smartest thing I've read on this board so far!

The same kid will probably do a PG year at a prep school after HS and enter college as a 20 or 21 year old freshman.

Your such a tool to say it is "none of my business" to know the age of the boys lining up across from my son are valid. It is absolutely MY BUSINESS as a parent to know the situation I am putting my child in.

I am not sure each parent need to personally know the age of the opposition's players, but someone of authority (on the opposing teams should) i think parents need to know that the ages were validated.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your such a tool to say it is "none of my business" to know the age of the boys lining up across from my son are valid. It is absolutely MY BUSINESS as a parent to know the situation I am putting my child in.

I am not sure each parent need to personally know the age of the opposition's players, but someone of authority (on the opposing teams should) i think parents need to know that the ages were validated.

It sounds like you should stick to the town rec league for your son, or perhaps bowling or chess club. Beat it, whiney complainer

At the end of the day the market is what it is. If clubs are controlled by coaches in high school there will inevitably be abuses. No one will stand up to it though for fear of being benched. Once their kids are out of school they dont care anymore.

Reality is less than 1 percent of kids who play high school athletics go on to play in college. Dreams die hard though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your such a tool to say it is "none of my business" to know the age of the boys lining up across from my son are valid. It is absolutely MY BUSINESS as a parent to know the situation I am putting my child in.

I am not sure each parent need to personally know the age of the opposition's players, but someone of authority (on the opposing teams should) i think parents need to know that the ages were validated.

It sounds like you should stick to the town rec league for your son, or perhaps bowling or chess club. Beat it, whiney complainer

Again, such an arrogant statement. "Town rec or bowling"? Come on! Kids at younger ages should be placed against kids of the same age. Stop being such a "tough guy" (we know you never played a sport in your life)

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your such a tool to say it is "none of my business" to know the age of the boys lining up across from my son are valid. It is absolutely MY BUSINESS as a parent to know the situation I am putting my child in.

I am not sure each parent need to personally know the iage of the opposition's players, but someone of authority (on the opposing teams should) i think parents need to know that the ages were validated.

It sounds like you should stick to the town rec league for your son, or perhaps bowling or chess club. Beat it, whiney complainer

So true! And I ask whiny complainer - who are you going to complain to when jr is a freshman in college as a 17 yr old playing against 24 yr olds???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone hearing about Baltimore teams "recruiting" some boys from LI to play next summer...heard about Crabs and also heard FCA is starting a LI chapter.

had not heard about this. Interesting. With the 2017's going to only summer play in HS, anyone willing can basically play for whatever team they want. Everyone usually ends up at the same major tournaments anyway, it is just a matter of what uniform you have on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your such a tool to say it is "none of my business" to know the age of the boys lining up across from my son are valid. It is absolutely MY BUSINESS as a parent to know the situation I am putting my child in.

I am not sure each parent need to personally know the iage of the opposition's players, but someone of authority (on the opposing teams should) i think parents need to know that the ages were validated.

It sounds like you should stick to the town rec league for your son, or perhaps bowling or chess club. Beat it, whiney complainer

So true! And I ask whiny complainer - who are you going to complain to when jr is a freshman in college as a 17 yr old playing against 24 yr olds???

And yet another moron chimes in

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your such a tool to say it is "none of my business" to know the age of the boys lining up across from my son are valid. It is absolutely MY BUSINESS as a parent to know the situation I am putting my child in.

I am not sure each parent need to personally know the iage of the opposition's players, but someone of authority (on the opposing teams should) i think parents need to know that the ages were validated.

It sounds like you should stick to the town rec league for your son, or perhaps bowling or chess club. Beat it, whiney complainer

So true! And I ask whiny complainer - who are you going to complain to when jr is a freshman in college as a 17 yr old playing against 24 yr olds???

And yet another moron chimes in

Stop with the name calling - are you 5? Open up you're eyes and actually try to understand this board. What they are sounding isn't far from the truth?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i know a parent sending his kid to repeat the 8th grade to a prep school that cost about $40k per year....
pay me now or pay me later...

Smartest thing I've read on this board so far!

The same kid will probably do a PG year at a prep school after HS and enter college as a 20 or 21 year old freshman.

What's your point?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i know a parent sending his kid to repeat the 8th grade to a prep school that cost about $40k per year....
pay me now or pay me later...

Smartest thing I've read on this board so far!

The same kid will probably do a PG year at a prep school after HS and enter college as a 20 or 21 year old freshman.

And now your condemning pgers?? Sounds like your time was or is up as your son's club coach and now either or both of you are getting run over by the latest generation of lax players. Better hop aboard cause that train is leaving the station!!

I think the motto of this board on all these issues should be WWCD ..(What would Channy Do) he has the answer for everything

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone hearing about Baltimore teams "recruiting" some boys from LI to play next summer...heard about Crabs and also heard FCA is starting a LI chapter.

Not hearing that but hearing more kids bypassing clubs altogether and using the time/money to play in more individual recruiting showcases. Eliminates the backlash from the clubs for missing practices and club tournaments in favor of a more targeted approach. I think over time the clubs are becoming less relevent as more and more showcase events for individual players pop up and more college coaches hold college specific propsect days etc.. Something to think about.

Clubs are good through 8th grade. After that your better off doing your own thing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

just to inform you for the next rankings, GC went undefeated at Patriot Games and won each game by at least 6. They are now done for the summer,However, players attending private schools will not be allowed to try out in the fall. and GC has played fl$ twice and has beaten them twice.

GC loses 2 defenseman and 3 middies as they are all going to Chaminade. 2 of the 3 middies didn't play at all while both defensemen started. It will be interesting to see how they do next year

No great loss...thentwo D men were second string when GC gets back three club team D men; two of who were on the winning Brine national championship team Long Island north and 3 who were at Jake Reed; two of which were on same team that went undefeated, scored 80+goals and gave up less than 20 goals. Those two players did not come off the field except for water.

GC will more than make up for the attrition to the private schools.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone hearing about Baltimore teams "recruiting" some boys from LI to play next summer...heard about Crabs and also heard FCA is starting a LI chapter.

Not hearing that but hearing more kids bypassing clubs altogether and using the time/money to play in more individual recruiting showcases. Eliminates the backlash from the clubs for missing practices and club tournaments in favor of a more targeted approach. I think over time the clubs are becoming less relevent as more and more showcase events for individual players pop up and more college coaches hold college specific propsect days etc.. Something to think about.

Spot on, that!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone hearing about Baltimore teams "recruiting" some boys from LI to play next summer...heard about Crabs and also heard FCA is starting a LI chapter.

As for Baltimore teams recruiting NY kids, get over yourself. God, you guys are obsessed with Maryland.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone hearing about Baltimore teams "recruiting" some boys from LI to play next summer...heard about Crabs and also heard FCA is starting a LI chapter.

Not hearing that but hearing more kids bypassing clubs altogether and using the time/money to play in more individual recruiting showcases. Eliminates the backlash from the clubs for missing practices and club tournaments in favor of a more targeted approach. I think over time the clubs are becoming less relevent as more and more showcase events for individual players pop up and more college coaches hold college specific propsect days etc.. Something to think about.

Anything to minimize these GREEDY clubs is a positive for the player and the parents that pay the bills!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone hearing about Baltimore teams "recruiting" some boys from LI to play next summer...heard about Crabs and also heard FCA is starting a LI chapter.

As for Baltimore teams recruiting NY kids, get over yourself. God, you guys are obsessed with Maryland.

Given the belief that Maryland plays down, does that mean the MD teams are "recruiting" LI 2016's for the 2017 teams?? Isn't that the usual argument around here?

is MadLax considered a top Maryland team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No player should be forced to play for their summer town team. There is an obvious conflict of interest when high school coaches are bullying kids to play for them (and pay them!) in the summer with the threat of benching them in the Spring. At some point the school's administration and county conference directors should be made aware of this behavior. In any other business, it's considered extortion.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many rising 9th graders will have to leave their club team to play for a school program this year? Will that change the rosters on any of the top teams?

Express has been doing this for years with kids going to St. Anthony's. Very few have had the guts to stray and play for clubs other than the Express. That's as wrong as it gets.

That comment is just not true anymore. Players from the privates have played for other clubs such as Team LI,Jesters and fl$, Be the Best not all Express. 91 is new at the HS age level so you will see more there now as the current 2017 and 2018 get older.This has been more common in the most recent years. The more programs that pop up the more the talent pool is getting diluted. So only one or two top talent teams in each organization, the players that don't make those rosters will always be looking for other options.
The face of these organizations is changing, as coaches are leaving and more players are looking for the best new team. No loyalty on either side and the land of options and choices is increasing. More Dads with the money available are buying new options for their kids and friends and you will see an increase in start up teams and facilities,camps trainers while we all chase that D1 coach to grab our kid!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone hearing about Baltimore teams "recruiting" some boys from LI to play next summer...heard about Crabs and also heard FCA is starting a LI chapter.

As for Baltimore teams recruiting NY kids, get over yourself. God, you guys are obsessed with Maryland.

Given the belief that Maryland plays down, does that mean the MD teams are "recruiting" LI 2016's for the 2017 teams?? Isn't that the usual argument around here?

surely the oldest kids they can put on the lowest grade based team would be the strategy...especially how MD teams go by the grade you coming out of not going into!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone hearing about Baltimore teams "recruiting" some boys from LI to play next summer...heard about Crabs and also heard FCA is starting a LI chapter.

As for Baltimore teams recruiting NY kids, get over yourself. God, you guys are obsessed with Maryland.

Given the belief that Maryland plays down, does that mean the MD teams are "recruiting" LI 2016's for the 2017 teams?? Isn't that the usual argument around here?

surely the oldest kids they can put on the lowest grade based team would be the strategy...especially how MD teams go by the grade you coming out of not going into!!!

This post is a perfect example of the educational background of most of the LI parents on this forum.

I agree WWCD....cash only:)

For any 2017 parent that sent child to Jake Reid last year (went to Flordia for 3dcamp and then were chosen to participate in July)-

What were the costs and what were your experiences? Worth the time and money? Or pass and wait a year for an invite?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

just to inform you for the next rankings, GC went undefeated at Patriot Games and won each game by at least 6. They are now done for the summer,However, players attending private schools will not be allowed to try out in the fall. and GC has played fl$ twice and has beaten them twice.

GC loses 2 defenseman and 3 middies as they are all going to Chaminade. 2 of the 3 middies didn't play at all while both defensemen started. It will be interesting to see how they do next year

No great loss...thentwo D men were second string when GC gets back three club team D men; two of who were on the winning Brine national championship team Long Island north and 3 who were at Jake Reed; two of which were on same team that went undefeated, scored 80+goals and gave up less than 20 goals. Those two players did not come off the field except for water.

GC will more than make up for the attrition to the private schools.

Mean thing to say about kids, you should see a DOCTOR for your angry issue and your delouisional issue, oh wait...

Financially with going down to Florida it cost myself about 2k and another 500 for md . My son enjoyed both parts. No invites for 8 th graders have to play yourself in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No player should be forced to play for their summer town team. There is an obvious conflict of interest when high school coaches are bullying kids to play for them (and pay them!) in the summer with the threat of benching them in the Spring. At some point the school's administration and county conference directors should be made aware of this behavior. In any other business, it's considered extortion.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many rising 9th graders will have to leave their club team to play for a school program this year? Will that change the rosters on any of the top teams?

Express has been doing this for years with kids going to St. Anthony's. Very few have had the guts to stray and play for clubs other than the Express. That's as wrong as it gets.

That comment is just not true anymore. Players from the privates have played for other clubs such as Team LI,Jesters and fl$, Be the Best not all Express. 91 is new at the HS age level so you will see more there now as the current 2017 and 2018 get older.This has been more common in the most recent years. The more programs that pop up the more the talent pool is getting diluted. So only one or two top talent teams in each organization, the players that don't make those rosters will always be looking for other options.
The face of these organizations is changing, as coaches are leaving and more players are looking for the best new team. No loyalty on either side and the land of options and choices is increasing. More Dads with the money available are buying new options for their kids and friends and you will see an increase in start up teams and facilities,camps trainers while we all chase that D1 coach to grab our kid!!

Name a single St Anthony's starter that does not play for the Express.

What are some of the Showcase Events that you are referring to?

I agree with that statement. Now that Channy is leaving St. Ants, he cant intimidate kids and parents into sending their kids to St. Ants for fear of getting cut from the Express.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree with that statement. Now that Channy is leaving St. Ants, he cant intimidate kids and parents into sending their kids to St. Ants for fear of getting cut from the Express.

There will still be a big problem if Channy's replacement is also an Express coach. But beyond JV, the fact that St. Ant's head varsity coach is an owner of the Express means that every varsity starter will also be pressured to play Express. No free will. Please don't insult anybody's intelligence by saying that it's not required that a St. Ant's lax player play Express. We'll believe it when 3 or 4 versity starters play with other clubs. Until then, only the St. Ant's bench players who have no misconception that they'll ever start will have the grapes to play for fl$, 91, Outlaws etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree with that statement. Now that Channy is leaving St. Ants, he cant intimidate kids and parents into sending their kids to St. Ants for fear of getting cut from the Express.

Not true. Sure he can still operate as a feeder to St. Anthony's. And sure he can still "suggest" that a certain player enroll in St. Anthony's. And sure he can still make personnel decisions for every Express team. Remember, he's still in a business partnership with the St. Anthony's varsity coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree with that statement. Now that Channy is leaving St. Ants, he cant intimidate kids and parents into sending their kids to St. Ants for fear of getting cut from the Express.

Channy leaving St.Ants?? Kinda weird, my son saw him coaching at the St.Anthony's lacrosse camp past three days.

Uhm, I hate to tell you this, but that was a stupid rumor that some kids were joking about that dumb parents ran with. Check you back in a few weeks to tell you 'I told you so!'

I heard the turtles will face some "far from strong" teams in pool play down in Fla right now at u15 championship. I guess it helps when the head coach company is sponsoring the WHOLE tournament! lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard the turtles will face some "far from strong" teams in pool play down in Fla right now at u15 championship. I guess it helps when the head coach company is sponsoring the WHOLE tournament! lol

Before you start a tirade on the Turtles, some of the early pool play competition has been weak.

In the girls competition, just short of 60% of the pool play games were decided by 10 goals or more.

So far on the boys side, 7 matches from 12 have been decided by nine goals or more.

Unfortunately, the matches that figure to be tight on paper usually take place from the final eight teams starting tomorrow afternoon.

Originally Posted by CageSage

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard the turtles will face some "far from strong" teams in pool play down in Fla right now at u15 championship. I guess it helps when the head coach company is sponsoring the WHOLE tournament! lol

Before you start a tirade on the Turtles, some of the early pool play competition has been weak.

In the girls competition, just short of 60% of the pool play games were decided by 10 goals or more.

So far on the boys side, 7 matches from 12 have been decided by nine goals or more.

Unfortunately, the matches that figure to be tight on paper usually take place from the final eight teams starting tomorrow afternoon.

ok fair enough thank you for the info.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone hearing about Baltimore teams "recruiting" some boys from LI to play next summer...heard about Crabs and also heard FCA is starting a LI chapter.

As for Baltimore teams recruiting NY kids, get over yourself. God, you guys are obsessed with Maryland.

Given the belief that Maryland plays down, does that mean the MD teams are "recruiting" LI 2016's for the 2017 teams?? Isn't that the usual argument around here?

surely the oldest kids they can put on the lowest grade based team would be the strategy...especially how MD teams go by the grade you coming out of not going into!!!

This post is a perfect example of the educational background of most of the LI parents on this forum.

My, how improper. You folks seem so pleasant when we are down by you. So does this mean that your blonde-haired, blue-eyed, hospitable manner boasted is really a charade? The frequency of older than typical players on these Md teams is astonishing. US Lacrosse, PLEASE institute SOME sort of roster management. Taking a tourney at a given graduation year, with players whom will be 19-20 yrs of age is just sleazy. I'd rather use marginal grammar. And oh, yes, your husbands are dweebs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone hearing about Baltimore teams "recruiting" some boys from LI to play next summer...heard about Crabs and also heard FCA is starting a LI chapter.

As for Baltimore teams recruiting NY kids, get over yourself. God, you guys are obsessed with Maryland.

Given the belief that Maryland plays down, does that mean the MD teams are "recruiting" LI 2016's for the 2017 teams?? Isn't that the usual argument around here?

surely the oldest kids they can put on the lowest grade based team would be the strategy...especially how MD teams go by the grade you coming out of not going into!!!

This post is a perfect example of the educational background of most of the LI parents on this forum.

My, how improper. You folks seem so pleasant when we are down by you. So does this mean that your blonde-haired, blue-eyed, hospitable manner boasted is really a charade? The frequency of older than typical players on these Md teams is astonishing. US Lacrosse, PLEASE institute SOME sort of roster management. Taking a tourney at a given graduation year, with players whom will be 19-20 yrs of age is just sleazy. I'd rather use marginal grammar. And oh, yes, your husbands are dweebs.

Forgive my diction. I had intended to point out such players as being 19-20 years of age upon graduating "high school", or whatever you Stepfordians refer to this as.

5'10" blue eyed blonde poneytails forever!

Here is my final post on out of state kids and age. Primarily reffering to MD and
PA private school kids. My friend's son is rising sophomore at well known prep school near Philly which plays in that very well known highly recruited league down there. I will not name the school nor the kids. His son is age appropriate for his grade. I asked him what the deal was with holding kids back? He says it is an epidemic. Just this weekend he met the father of an incoming freshman to his son's school. This young man turned 15 in December of 2012. He will be 16 on the first day of Lacrosse as a freshman. He will be 19 and a half when he graduates. If he goes to Jake Reed next summer as a rising sophomore he will be competing against 14 year olds. If he has any ability, do we think he might standout? He also plays on a well known travel team at the 2017 level. Because thats the year he graduates. Now imagine this scenario playing out over and over. Sorry fellow Long Islanders we are be played.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here is my final post on out of state kids and age. Primarily reffering to MD and
PA private school kids. My friend's son is rising sophomore at well known prep school near Philly which plays in that very well known highly recruited league down there. I will not name the school nor the kids. His son is age appropriate for his grade. I asked him what the deal was with holding kids back? He says it is an epidemic. Just this weekend he met the father of an incoming freshman to his son's school. This young man turned 15 in December of 2012. He will be 16 on the first day of Lacrosse as a freshman. He will be 19 and a half when he graduates. If he goes to Jake Reed next summer as a rising sophomore he will be competing against 14 year olds. If he has any ability, do we think he might standout? He also plays on a well known travel team at the 2017 level. Because thats the year he graduates. Now imagine this scenario playing out over and over. Sorry fellow Long Islanders we are be played.....

Just curious.How does one "hold his child back" Do you tell his teacher the child is immature? Do you force the child to fail his tests? How is done?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here is my final post on out of state kids and age. Primarily reffering to MD and
PA private school kids. My friend's son is rising sophomore at well known prep school near Philly which plays in that very well known highly recruited league down there. I will not name the school nor the kids. His son is age appropriate for his grade. I asked him what the deal was with holding kids back? He says it is an epidemic. Just this weekend he met the father of an incoming freshman to his son's school. This young man turned 15 in December of 2012. He will be 16 on the first day of Lacrosse as a freshman. He will be 19 and a half when he graduates. If he goes to Jake Reed next summer as a rising sophomore he will be competing against 14 year olds. If he has any ability, do we think he might standout? He also plays on a well known travel team at the 2017 level. Because thats the year he graduates. Now imagine this scenario playing out over and over. Sorry fellow Long Islanders we are be played.....

The only way around this for NY kids is to PG after high school or leave HS early for a prohibitively expensive (for most of us) private boarding school and "reclassify". Or just not worry about it and let your kids follow any path that presents itself in the current structure.

My kid was at Jake Reed 2017 he told me at least 5 or 6 kids said they are repeating 9th grade.

Just gone done watching the tapes of the Jake Reed Rising Freshman. The best players were very physical athletes and yes I am sure more than a few were held back. A few good stick skill guys were able to succeed but the run of the middle solid kid who finished 8th grade was simply not able to compete. I think what you will see is kids start to fan out into the two distinct groups a bit earlier than in previous year, that is one on a D-1 track and others on a D-3 track. The good news about this, is the parents won't be less held hostage by college camps and clubs. My advice is get an independent third party to give you a realistic evaluation of your son. After this event it became clear to me that my son will likely be better served going down a track that focuses on the NESCAC schools. He simply is not going to have the size or speed to play at the D-1 level and his stick skills while good are not great. Not everyone can play for Duke and schools like Middlebury etc are very attractive institutions.

Jake Reed Blue Chip via 3D was well worth the time. My sense is that you will have to go through the 3d process every year going forward.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here is my final post on out of state kids and age. Primarily reffering to MD and
PA private school kids. My friend's son is rising sophomore at well known prep school near Philly which plays in that very well known highly recruited league down there. I will not name the school nor the kids. His son is age appropriate for his grade. I asked him what the deal was with holding kids back? He says it is an epidemic. Just this weekend he met the father of an incoming freshman to his son's school. This young man turned 15 in December of 2012. He will be 16 on the first day of Lacrosse as a freshman. He will be 19 and a half when he graduates. If he goes to Jake Reed next summer as a rising sophomore he will be competing against 14 year olds. If he has any ability, do we think he might standout? He also plays on a well known travel team at the 2017 level. Because thats the year he graduates. Now imagine this scenario playing out over and over. Sorry fellow Long Islanders we are be played.....

Just curious.How does one "hold his child back" Do you tell his teacher the child is immature? Do you force the child to fail his tests? How is done?

Two ways. This was the plan early on when they waited until the boy was 6 1/2 before entering K. Then there's the private school or prep school way which has become very popular in certain corners, i.e. MD and PA. The kids go to public school until 8th grade. They then stay in public school for one more year for 9th grade. Now they decide, they want to go to one these prep schools. They then enter as a 9th grader. Repeating the 9th grade. Hence now you have a 2017 that in our world should be a 2016. But, 2017 is his grad year... There you have it, hold backs and grade repeaters.
Now with scenario above, it would be like taking a typical LI rising senior, and playing him down in a rising sophomore bracket. Think about the average good player you know next door, then give him that kind of age advantage. Suddenly that kids a superstar. At a recruiting camp he's a top player. Now take 6 or 7 of these kids and put them on team. Think that team has an advantage? Everything needs to go age based, birth certificate based. When that happens, this whole discussion goes away. Unfortunately, too many people invested in the status quo. The clubs that cheat, parents looking to game the system, private schools who want the money and lax championships, and the college coaches who love physically mature 19 1/2 yo freshmen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just gone done watching the tapes of the Jake Reed Rising Freshman. The best players were very physical athletes and yes I am sure more than a few were held back. A few good stick skill guys were able to succeed but the run of the middle solid kid who finished 8th grade was simply not able to compete. I think what you will see is kids start to fan out into the two distinct groups a bit earlier than in previous year, that is one on a D-1 track and others on a D-3 track. The good news about this, is the parents won't be less held hostage by college camps and clubs. My advice is get an independent third party to give you a realistic evaluation of your son. After this event it became clear to me that my son will likely be better served going down a track that focuses on the NESCAC schools. He simply is not going to have the size or speed to play at the D-1 level and his stick skills while good are not great. Not everyone can play for Duke and schools like Middlebury etc are very attractive institutions.

Hate to burst your bubble, but the NESCAC route is not so easy. Take a look at a NESCAC roster, all held back and PG kids. Just got back from NESCAC school camp and I talked to about 10 parents whose kids were held back or are in big time prep schools. NESCAC is basically D1 competition, the only difference is the NESCAC schools dont have the depth of a top D1 program. Oh and by the way your kid better be in the top 10 percent of his class or you can forget it.

Just got back from a D3 school lax camp. They had a coach from a big time prep school there who gave about an hour speech on the benefits of holding your kid back and/or doing a PG year. He was basically saying if you don't do it you're doing your child a disservice. So that's the wave of the future.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just got back from a D3 school lax camp. They had a coach from a big time prep school there who gave about an hour speech on the benefits of holding your kid back and/or doing a PG year. He was basically saying if you don't do it you're doing your child a disservice. So that's the wave of the future.....

There you have it, example after example. Is there anyone now out there who actually believes the age "thing" is not a real issue with real consequences??!!! Total BS scam that is really hurting the LI lax kid. Does anyone really think that all of sudden our top team's just get caught up to? No, once and for all, our kids at the 8th grade level and up start to play these club teams from out of state, loaded with prep school kids, 1 to 2 years older. That's how they get a 16 yo on 2017 and 2016 teams. Because they go by grad year and not age. My neighbors kid is a 2014 rising senior and just turned 17 in June. Some kids on his team this summer are still 16... can you imagine how good those kids would look playing 2016 ball???
Just insanity...

What kids are being hurt the kids on age or the kids being told by their parents they are not good enough to compete among kids their own age. The difference between a 14 yo and 15 yo physically and maturation wise is dramatic but not as dramatic with a 18 and 19 yo. The kids who were never moved up are less prone to injury while the kids s held back are used to being the bigger and stronger kids will not be able to handle the strength and pressure of being the younger kids when in Hs and college. Look at college and I bet more star players were never held back. Just read outliers to see the holding back concept fails as the kids are all matured. "You can always play up but never play down". I have no problem letting my kid playing with older kids. It will only make him stronger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just got back from a D3 school lax camp. They had a coach from a big time prep school there who gave about an hour speech on the benefits of holding your kid back and/or doing a PG year. He was basically saying if you don't do it you're doing your child a disservice. So that's the wave of the future.....

There you have it, example after example. Is there anyone now out there who actually believes the age "thing" is not a real issue with real consequences??!!!

LOL. Do you really have nothing better to do than obsess over a handful of kids who may repeat a grade? Tell your son to hit the wall, and stop crying like a baby.

Your kid played on age he would just be ok.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What kids are being hurt the kids on age or the kids being told by their parents they are not good enough to compete among kids their own age. The difference between a 14 yo and 15 yo physically and maturation wise is dramatic but not as dramatic with a 18 and 19 yo. The kids who were never moved up are less prone to injury while the kids s held back are used to being the bigger and stronger kids will not be able to handle the strength and pressure of being the younger kids when in Hs and college. Look at college and I bet more star players were never held back. Just read outliers to see the holding back concept fails as the kids are all matured. "You can always play up but never play down". I have no problem letting my kid playing with older kids. It will only make him stronger

Maybe YOU should have repeated a grade, or at least a reading class!!! The OUTLIERS book confirms over decades that the older kids, aka kids born in the first 1/4 of the year, or now, the kids repeating a yr, are the ones that have MORE advantages with getting on the better teams, with better coaches, playing a better schedule. All translates to BETTER opportunities on the higher level. I suggest you re-read or try to find someone to translate the book to you.... Good luck...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What kids are being hurt the kids on age or the kids being told by their parents they are not good enough to compete among kids their own age. The difference between a 14 yo and 15 yo physically and maturation wise is dramatic but not as dramatic with a 18 and 19 yo. The kids who were never moved up are less prone to injury while the kids s held back are used to being the bigger and stronger kids will not be able to handle the strength and pressure of being the younger kids when in Hs and college. Look at college and I bet more star players were never held back. Just read outliers to see the holding back concept fails as the kids are all matured. "You can always play up but never play down". I have no problem letting my kid playing with older kids. It will only make him stronger

Sorry to burst your bubble but MOST of these held back/repeaters come onto college campus with their feet running... Of course depends on individual college teams but for the most part they at least have a shot - where as, by ny standards anyways, most will be asked to redshirt if they are good and others will just be happy if they see the field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What kids are being hurt the kids on age or the kids being told by their parents they are not good enough to compete among kids their own age. The difference between a 14 yo and 15 yo physically and maturation wise is dramatic but not as dramatic with a 18 and 19 yo. The kids who were never moved up are less prone to injury while the kids s held back are used to being the bigger and stronger kids will not be able to handle the strength and pressure of being the younger kids when in Hs and college. Look at college and I bet more star players were never held back. Just read outliers to see the holding back concept fails as the kids are all matured. "You can always play up but never play down". I have no problem letting my kid playing with older kids. It will only make him stronger

I don't think parents have to tell their kids ANYTHING because it's their kids that are on the fields fighting to win, not the parents (believe it or not!!). All I will say is to the parent that feels he needs to tell johnnny he's no good against these older better teams, put your son in a situation that benefits him - instead of being on the defensive. There are plenty of opportunities so look and you will find. Be creative. And most important - sometimes what is right for your son is not the path you intended to take. Open your eyes and be proactive. Your son will benefit in the long run.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree with that statement. Now that Channy is leaving St. Ants, he cant intimidate kids and parents into sending their kids to St. Ants for fear of getting cut from the Express.

You people are nuts - he's not going anywhere!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Uhm, I hate to tell you this, but that was a stupid rumor that some kids were joking about that dumb parents ran with. Check you back in a few weeks to tell you 'I told you so!'

Yup - you parents should really spend as much time as you do here on maybe reading a quality book or even getting involved in some physical activity. From what I see, there are more than a few out there that could use some conditioning.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here is my final post on out of state kids and age. Primarily reffering to MD and
PA private school kids. My friend's son is rising sophomore at well known prep school near Philly which plays in that very well known highly recruited league down there. I will not name the school nor the kids. His son is age appropriate for his grade. I asked him what the deal was with holding kids back? He says it is an epidemic. Just this weekend he met the father of an incoming freshman to his son's school. This young man turned 15 in December of 2012. He will be 16 on the first day of Lacrosse as a freshman. He will be 19 and a half when he graduates. If he goes to Jake Reed next summer as a rising sophomore he will be competing against 14 year olds. If he has any ability, do we think he might standout? He also plays on a well known travel team at the 2017 level. Because thats the year he graduates. Now imagine this scenario playing out over and over. Sorry fellow Long Islanders we are be played.....

The only way around this for NY kids is to PG after high school or leave HS early for a prohibitively expensive (for most of us) private boarding school and "reclassify". Or just not worry about it and let your kids follow any path that presents itself in the current structure.

Pretty sure there is an age rule (at least in most pg states) that the player can't reach his 20th bday during the season of his sport or maybe turn 20 on or before aug 1st of that year. That's right, 20, not 19!! This is going to blow most minds but the big pg schools are in states with this age rule. Although this was most popular with hockey, it has now filtered down to lax. I'm just passing info along to try to inform parents interested with this topic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here is my final post on out of state kids and age. Primarily reffering to MD and
PA private school kids. My friend's son is rising sophomore at well known prep school near Philly which plays in that very well known highly recruited league down there. I will not name the school nor the kids. His son is age appropriate for his grade. I asked him what the deal was with holding kids back? He says it is an epidemic. Just this weekend he met the father of an incoming freshman to his son's school. This young man turned 15 in December of 2012. He will be 16 on the first day of Lacrosse as a freshman. He will be 19 and a half when he graduates. If he goes to Jake Reed next summer as a rising sophomore he will be competing against 14 year olds. If he has any ability, do we think he might standout? He also plays on a well known travel team at the 2017 level. Because thats the year he graduates. Now imagine this scenario playing out over and over. Sorry fellow Long Islanders we are be played.....

Just curious.How does one "hold his child back" Do you tell his teacher the child is immature? Do you force the child to fail his tests? How is done?

Two ways. This was the plan early on when they waited until the boy was 6 1/2 before entering K. Then there's the private school or prep school way which has become very popular in certain corners, i.e. MD and PA. The kids go to public school until 8th grade. They then stay in public school for one more year for 9th grade. Now they decide, they want to go to one these prep schools. They then enter as a 9th grader. Repeating the 9th grade. Hence now you have a 2017 that in our world should be a 2016. But, 2017 is his grad year... There you have it, hold backs and grade repeaters.
Now with scenario above, it would be like taking a typical LI rising senior, and playing him down in a rising sophomore bracket. Think about the average good player you know next door, then give him that kind of age advantage. Suddenly that kids a superstar. At a recruiting camp he's a top player. Now take 6 or 7 of these kids and put them on team. Think that team has an advantage? Everything needs to go age based, birth certificate based. When that happens, this whole discussion goes away. Unfortunately, too many people invested in the status quo. The clubs that cheat, parents looking to game the system, private schools who want the money and lax championships, and the college coaches who love physically mature 19 1/2 yo freshmen.

It is what it is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What kids are being hurt the kids on age or the kids being told by their parents they are not good enough to compete among kids their own age. The difference between a 14 yo and 15 yo physically and maturation wise is dramatic but not as dramatic with a 18 and 19 yo. The kids who were never moved up are less prone to injury while the kids s held back are used to being the bigger and stronger kids will not be able to handle the strength and pressure of being the younger kids when in Hs and college. Look at college and I bet more star players were never held back. Just read outliers to see the holding back concept fails as the kids are all matured. "You can always play up but never play down". I have no problem letting my kid playing with older kids. It will only make him stronger

oh, ok. Whatever you say. BTW, you should get a job as a spin doctor!!! LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just got back from a D3 school lax camp. They had a coach from a big time prep school there who gave about an hour speech on the benefits of holding your kid back and/or doing a PG year. He was basically saying if you don't do it you're doing your child a disservice. So that's the wave of the future.....

There you have it, example after example. Is there anyone now out there who actually believes the age "thing" is not a real issue with real consequences??!!! Total BS scam that is really hurting the LI lax kid. Does anyone really think that all of sudden our top team's just get caught up to? No, once and for all, our kids at the 8th grade level and up start to play these club teams from out of state, loaded with prep school kids, 1 to 2 years older. That's how they get a 16 yo on 2017 and 2016 teams. Because they go by grad year and not age. My neighbors kid is a 2014 rising senior and just turned 17 in June. Some kids on his team this summer are still 16... can you imagine how good those kids would look playing 2016 ball???
Just insanity...

Scary visual. And so so true. The stakes are high and I'm not taking about $$. I'm talking about IVY and ACC schools. There, I said it. Not all colleges are the same. This statement will shake it up a bit - interested in peoples thoughts.... And yes, even some NESCAC schools. Very, very smart kids go to these schools that all they do is study. Nothing else. Getting into these schools is nearly impossible unless your full time job is to study - or you have a supported application....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

just to inform you for the next rankings, GC went undefeated at Patriot Games and won each game by at least 6. They are now done for the summer,However, players attending private schools will not be allowed to try out in the fall. and GC has played fl$ twice and has beaten them twice.

GC loses 2 defenseman and 3 middies as they are all going to Chaminade. 2 of the 3 middies didn't play at all while both defensemen started. It will be interesting to see how they do next year

No great loss...thentwo D men were second string when GC gets back three club team D men; two of who were on the winning Brine national championship team Long Island north and 3 who were at Jake Reed; two of which were on same team that went undefeated, scored 80+goals and gave up less than 20 goals. Those two players did not come off the field except for water.

GC will more than make up for the attrition to the private schools.

Mean thing to say about kids, you should see a DOCTOR for your angry issue and your delouisional issue, oh wait...

Happy for GC that they can make up for the loss to private schools. However, it's all relative. It's no secret that the competition level between the two schools are on way different levels and that GC gets along just fine, as their league doesn't require much skill and is weak competition. It must be boring to beat schools by 10 or more while playing the bench and water boy and playing manager etc. So before you make a statement about the skill level between the two leagues, make sure you know what you're talking about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just got back from a D3 school lax camp. They had a coach from a big time prep school there who gave about an hour speech on the benefits of holding your kid back and/or doing a PG year. He was basically saying if you don't do it you're doing your child a disservice. So that's the wave of the future.....

There you have it, example after example. Is there anyone now out there who actually believes the age "thing" is not a real issue with real consequences??!!!

LOL. Do you really have nothing better to do than obsess over a handful of kids who may repeat a grade? Tell your son to hit the wall, and stop crying like a baby.

Classic response from a parent of a kid who's taught his son the only way he can be successful is by cheating the other kids and playing down. Excellent life lesson there super Dad. Can't wait to see how ur kid does when he gets to college and actually has to face competition his own age and older.... You wont be able to shelter him anymore, then we'll see who's crying like a baby... "Daddy those juniors and seniors are bigger stronger and faster and older than me, I can't compete boo hoo" But you'll be there to tell em " hit the wall champ". You loser... Now go LOL yourself!! And go get your shine box while you're at it...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just got back from a D3 school lax camp. They had a coach from a big time prep school there who gave about an hour speech on the benefits of holding your kid back and/or doing a PG year. He was basically saying if you don't do it you're doing your child a disservice. So that's the wave of the future.....

There you have it, example after example. Is there anyone now out there who actually believes the age "thing" is not a real issue with real consequences??!!!

LOL. Do you really have nothing better to do than obsess over a handful of kids who may repeat a grade? Tell your son to hit the wall, and stop crying like a baby.

Classic response from a parent of a kid who's taught his son the only way he can be successful is by cheating the other kids and playing down. Excellent life lesson there super Dad. Can't wait to see how ur kid does when he gets to college and actually has to face competition his own age and older.... You wont be able to shelter him anymore, then we'll see who's crying like a baby... "Daddy those juniors and seniors are bigger stronger and faster and older than me, I can't compete boo hoo" But you'll be there to tell em " hit the wall champ". You loser... Now go LOL yourself!! And go get your shine box while you're at it...

Settle down, Francis.

My son is not "older" for his grade, but if his teams face one with a kid or kids who are older, I couldn't care less. I want him to have fun and get better. If he can play college lacrosse, that's great. But our focus is getting into the best college possible; lacrosse is a bonus.

God, you guys take yourselves way too seriously. The dads on this forum are the Don Quixote's of lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just got back from a D3 school lax camp. They had a coach from a big time prep school there who gave about an hour speech on the benefits of holding your kid back and/or doing a PG year. He was basically saying if you don't do it you're doing your child a disservice. So that's the wave of the future.....

There you have it, example after example. Is there anyone now out there who actually believes the age "thing" is not a real issue with real consequences??!!!

LOL. Do you really have nothing better to do than obsess over a handful of kids who may repeat a grade? Tell your son to hit the wall, and stop crying like a baby.

Classic response from a parent of a kid who's taught his son the only way he can be successful is by cheating the other kids and playing down. Excellent life lesson there super Dad. Can't wait to see how ur kid does when he gets to college and actually has to face competition his own age and older.... You wont be able to shelter him anymore, then we'll see who's crying like a baby... "Daddy those juniors and seniors are bigger stronger and faster and older than me, I can't compete boo hoo" But you'll be there to tell em " hit the wall champ". You loser... Now go LOL yourself!! And go get your shine box while you're at it...

Settle down, Francis.

My son is not "older" for his grade, but if his teams face one with a kid or kids who are older, I couldn't care less. I want him to have fun and get better. If he can play college lacrosse, that's great. But our focus is getting into the best college possible; lacrosse is a bonus.

God, you guys take yourselves way too seriously. The dads on this forum are the Don Quixote's of lacrosse.

Awesome literary reference.... You so cultured and educated, what an absolute tool.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just got back from a D3 school lax camp. They had a coach from a big time prep school there who gave about an hour speech on the benefits of holding your kid back and/or doing a PG year. He was basically saying if you don't do it you're doing your child a disservice. So that's the wave of the future.....

There you have it, example after example. Is there anyone now out there who actually believes the age "thing" is not a real issue with real consequences??!!!

LOL. Do you really have nothing better to do than obsess over a handful of kids who may repeat a grade? Tell your son to hit the wall, and stop crying like a baby.

Classic response from a parent of a kid who's taught his son the only way he can be successful is by cheating the other kids and playing down. Excellent life lesson there super Dad. Can't wait to see how ur kid does when he gets to college and actually has to face competition his own age and older.... You wont be able to shelter him anymore, then we'll see who's crying like a baby... "Daddy those juniors and seniors are bigger stronger and faster and older than me, I can't compete boo hoo" But you'll be there to tell em " hit the wall champ". You loser... Now go LOL yourself!! And go get your shine box while you're at it...

Settle down, Francis.

My son is not "older" for his grade, but if his teams face one with a kid or kids who are older, I couldn't care less. I want him to have fun and get better. If he can play college lacrosse, that's great. But our focus is getting into the best college possible; lacrosse is a bonus.

God, you guys take yourselves way too seriously. The dads on this forum are the Don Quixote's of lacrosse.

Awesome literary reference.... You so cultured and educated, what an absolute tool.

"you're" not "you". It is amazing how many grammatical, spelling and punctuation mistakes are consistently made by the good men of STRONG ISLAND.

I have heard the Long Island club kids who went to the Jake Reed did very well. quite a few are getting looks from major schools

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have heard the Long Island club kids who went to the Jake Reed did very well. quite a few are getting looks from major schools

Yes, if you consider Nassau CC a major school.
Dream on.

Just got a letter in the mail today from one...

Word is Channy is building another super team for next year...

In New [lacrosse] High schools the oldest age you can be eligible at is the age is 19, essentially they allow for one hold back year. I dont really care, because once you are in college it is a free for all. Look at the kid from Cornell this year, he was close to 25. get used to it now and you will be better off later.no pain no gain

With the try out season upon us, do we expect any major changes or mergers with the private organizations. Any Boys moving to other teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Word is Channy is building another super team for next year...

Yes - and one that plans on rivaling the Turtles.

Seen this movie before ...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Word is Channy is building another super team for next year...

Yes - and one that plans on rivaling the Turtles.

Same story every year. Wasn't that the reason he created the Terps Black? Let it go, he will not be able to compete with the Turtles. Super team, for what? to lose more games to other programs? and charge the rumored fee of $3200?

If you hold back a child in the 9th grade (repeats 9th grade) and that student is in advanced/honors courses, you may benefit by taking college courses in your Jr & Sr years of HS. This allows you to garner college credits prior to enrollment, which will also gives you a leg up on the general population of your college grad year peers.

Then if you are a qualified college student (not in an ivy league school) you could have a grad year under your belt in your last playing year of college.

Which works to your benefit, because you can have your second grad year be your internship year. Becasue, dont be fooled, the work environment after college is definitely looking for those students with internships (especially for those students who are athletes that may not have been able to crack that 3.5 level due to their sports committments) so keep that all in mind.

If you dont believe me ask many of those LI boys who are home from school who played and cant find a job!

Because we all know the MLL teams do not pay like the other sports.

Remember if you would have known what you know now back in '98/'99, you may have planned things a bit differently.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here is my final post on out of state kids and age. Primarily reffering to MD and
PA private school kids. My friend's son is rising sophomore at well known prep school near Philly which plays in that very well known highly recruited league down there. I will not name the school nor the kids. His son is age appropriate for his grade. I asked him what the deal was with holding kids back? He says it is an epidemic. Just this weekend he met the father of an incoming freshman to his son's school. This young man turned 15 in December of 2012. He will be 16 on the first day of Lacrosse as a freshman. He will be 19 and a half when he graduates. If he goes to Jake Reed next summer as a rising sophomore he will be competing against 14 year olds. If he has any ability, do we think he might standout? He also plays on a well known travel team at the 2017 level. Because thats the year he graduates. Now imagine this scenario playing out over and over. Sorry fellow Long Islanders we are be played.....

The only way around this for NY kids is to PG after high school or leave HS early for a prohibitively expensive (for most of us) private boarding school and "reclassify". Or just not worry about it and let your kids follow any path that presents itself in the current structure.

Pretty sure there is an age rule (at least in most pg states) that the player can't reach his 20th bday during the season of his sport or maybe turn 20 on or before aug 1st of that year. That's right, 20, not 19!! This is going to blow most minds but the big pg schools are in states with this age rule. Although this was most popular with hockey, it has now filtered down to lax. I'm just passing info along to try to inform parents interested with this topic.

The rumor on the street is Team 91 is raiding the Terps Black program. One kid has already left. I heard in return Terps Black is raiding fl$.

Absolute garbage... Nice attempt at justifying cheating other kids. If you're SOOOO concerned about academics and job opportunities go D3. If you have decent grades and can play, you'll get way more money than the average D1 kid. Also, you'll have the time to do internships and all the rest. Oh yeah, sit with a D3 coach and ask them how many of their seniors have jobs?? You'll be amazed... And if your kid is so smart, there are schools that rival the Ivys in academic prestige... Nice try, not buying your BS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you hold back a child in the 9th grade (repeats 9th grade) and that student is in advanced/honors courses, you may benefit by taking college courses in your Jr & Sr years of HS. This allows you to garner college credits prior to enrollment, which will also gives you a leg up on the general population of your college grad year peers.

Then if you are a qualified college student (not in an ivy league school) you could have a grad year under your belt in your last playing year of college.

Which works to your benefit, because you can have your second grad year be your internship year. Becasue, dont be fooled, the work environment after college is definitely looking for those students with internships (especially for those students who are athletes that may not have been able to crack that 3.5 level due to their sports committments) so keep that all in mind.

If you dont believe me ask many of those LI boys who are home from school who played and cant find a job!

Because we all know the MLL teams do not pay like the other sports.

Remember if you would have known what you know now back in '98/'99, you may have planned things a bit differently.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here is my final post on out of state kids and age. Primarily reffering to MD and
PA private school kids. My friend's son is rising sophomore at well known prep school near Philly which plays in that very well known highly recruited league down there. I will not name the school nor the kids. His son is age appropriate for his grade. I asked him what the deal was with holding kids back? He says it is an epidemic. Just this weekend he met the father of an incoming freshman to his son's school. This young man turned 15 in December of 2012. He will be 16 on the first day of Lacrosse as a freshman. He will be 19 and a half when he graduates. If he goes to Jake Reed next summer as a rising sophomore he will be competing against 14 year olds. If he has any ability, do we think he might standout? He also plays on a well known travel team at the 2017 level. Because thats the year he graduates. Now imagine this scenario playing out over and over. Sorry fellow Long Islanders we are be played.....

The only way around this for NY kids is to PG after high school or leave HS early for a prohibitively expensive (for most of us) private boarding school and "reclassify". Or just not worry about it and let your kids follow any path that presents itself in the current structure.

Pretty sure there is an age rule (at least in most pg states) that the player can't reach his 20th bday during the season of his sport or maybe turn 20 on or before aug 1st of that year. That's right, 20, not 19!! This is going to blow most minds but the big pg schools are in states with this age rule. Although this was most popular with hockey, it has now filtered down to lax. I'm just passing info along to try to inform parents interested with this topic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The rumor on the street is Team 91 is raiding the Terps Black program. One kid has already left. I heard in return Terps Black is raiding fl$.

Ok? And we care why? From here on in its all about school ball, this summer stuff is fun but its all for show. More about parents egos and money hungry clubs than it is about the kids. Unless your on one of the top teams no college coaches are looking at club ball.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The rumor on the street is Team 91 is raiding the Terps Black program. One kid has already left. I heard in return Terps Black is raiding fl$.

Ok? And we care why? From here on in its all about school ball, this summer stuff is fun but its all for show. More about parents egos and money hungry clubs than it is about the kids. Unless your on one of the top teams no college coaches are looking at club ball.

1 kid left and you feel that the program is doomed... LOL. Team Sport last time I looked.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The rumor on the street is Team 91 is raiding the Terps Black program. One kid has already left. I heard in return Terps Black is raiding fl$.

"Raiding"? or are kids looking elsewhere because they weren't happy where they were. Come on, every year kids make moves looking for a better fit.

Let me guess, this is the same kid who has been on three different teams in three years? You must right, its the program thats at fault!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let me guess, this is the same kid who has been on three different teams in three years? You must right, its the program thats at fault!

No one said it was the programs fault. Just kids & parents looking for the right fit for themselves . No one program is that for everyone. This kid may go to a different program next year also, that's their choice. The point is, programs aren't "raiding" each other, just allowing kids to tryout & hoping its the right fit on both sides.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The rumor on the street is Team 91 is raiding the Terps Black program. One kid has already left. I heard in return Terps Black is raiding fl$.

Ok? And we care why? From here on in its all about school ball, this summer stuff is fun but its all for show. More about parents egos and money hungry clubs than it is about the kids. Unless your on one of the top teams no college coaches are looking at club ball.

1 kid left and you feel that the program is doomed... LOL. Team Sport last time I looked.

I for one hope the kids leaving black are the ones that shouldn't have been on it in the first place - as add ons.

I for one , are you a Black Terp parent?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I for one , are you a Black Terp parent?

That team has huge potential. A few tweaks and that team is as good as any I've seen. In the end, there were just too many players, as well as no depth past the first lines. The coaching during practices was excellent when it was only the black team. Too many kids at practices in the end was a waste of time. My 2 cents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I for one , are you a Black Terp parent?

That team has huge potential. A few tweaks and that team is as good as any I've seen. In the end, there were just too many players, as well as no depth past the first lines. The coaching during practices was excellent when it was only the black team. Too many kids at practices in the end was a waste of time. My 2 cents.

Too many kids, as well as no depth past the first lines? That doesn't sound like a good situation

I guess u need to recruit more kids repeating the grade. 3 of your middies should be going into 10th grade. That is a fact. Please don't tell me the u15 bull. If you turned 15 before dec 1, you should be in 10th grade. And the one middie that repeated 8th grade and now going to Chaminade. It is wrong. And sad that they can get away with it. Just my 2 cents

Terps Black has a strong group of core player.None of these core kids are going to leave. First ,they have a great on field chemistry, second they really like the coaches and third they have built great friendships amongst each other. The issue is that there are too many kids on the team, and many of them are marginal. Channy had to play them since they wrote the check . Once they get it down to a smaller more manageable team everything will be fine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps Black has a strong group of core player.None of these core kids are going to leave. First ,they have a great on field chemistry, second they really like the coaches and third they have built great friendships amongst each other. The issue is that there are too many kids on the team, and many of them are marginal. Channy had to play them since they wrote the check . Once they get it down to a smaller more manageable team everything will be fine.

Come on down to Baltimore...Terps can't beat top 4 teams here (Crabs, Breakers, FCA or VLC)..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

come on down to Baltimore...Terps can't beat top 4 teams here (Crabs, Breakers, FCA or VLC)..

Why do they have to travel the Terps black can't beat the Turtles, True Blue's A team, 91 orange, or the Outlaws A team right here on LI.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps Black has a strong group of core player.None of these core kids are going to leave. First ,they have a great on field chemistry, second they really like the coaches and third they have built great friendships amongst each other. The issue is that there are too many kids on the team, and many of them are marginal. Channy had to play them since they wrote the check . Once they get it down to a smaller more manageable team everything will be fine.

Channy had to play them because they wrote the check? That is classic!! He shouldn't have taken the checks if they were "Marginal". Wasn't this to be the team of ALL teams this year? He keeps taking checks & the same thing happens again & again & again. Its the same story every year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps Black has a strong group of core player.None of these core kids are going to leave. First ,they have a great on field chemistry, second they really like the coaches and third they have built great friendships amongst each other. The issue is that there are too many kids on the team, and many of them are marginal. Channy had to play them since they wrote the check . Once they get it down to a smaller more manageable team everything will be fine.

Channy had to play them because they wrote the check? That is classic!! He shouldn't have taken the checks if they were "Marginal". Wasn't this to be the team of ALL teams this year? He keeps taking checks & the same thing happens again & again & again. Its the same story every year.

Things do change -- the checks and rosters get bigger every year!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

come on down to Baltimore...Terps can't beat top 4 teams here (Crabs, Breakers, FCA or VLC)..

Why do they have to travel the Terps black can't beat the Turtles, True Blue's A team, 91 orange, or the Outlaws A team right here on LI.

Very simple to answer...

any time, anywhere, any place.........

Change the focus for a minute - who wins the Suffolk and Nassau champs in 2017?

Suffolk
A. Smithtown West
B. Sayville
C. Shoreham

Nassau
A. Syosset
B. Garden City
C. Cold Spring Harbor
C.

good bets

Your really predicting 4 years from now. Get a life.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps Black has a strong group of core player.None of these core kids are going to leave. First ,they have a great on field chemistry, second they really like the coaches and third they have built great friendships amongst each other. The issue is that there are too many kids on the team, and many of them are marginal. Channy had to play them since they wrote the check . Once they get it down to a smaller more manageable team everything will be fine.

Channy had to play them because they wrote the check? That is classic!! He shouldn't have taken the checks if they were "Marginal". Wasn't this to be the team of ALL teams this year? He keeps taking checks & the same thing happens again & again & again. Its the same story every year.

Things do change -- the checks and rosters get bigger every year!

You're right on with regard to the core group of players.this group of kids are dynamic. Mistakes were made with adding on players that just didnt belong. This will change going forward and whatever this new team ends up as will be a very strong team that can and will compete with anyone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps Black has a strong group of core player.None of these core kids are going to leave. First ,they have a great on field chemistry, second they really like the coaches and third they have built great friendships amongst each other. The issue is that there are too many kids on the team, and many of them are marginal. Channy had to play them since they wrote the check . Once they get it down to a smaller more manageable team everything will be fine.

Channy had to play them because they wrote the check? That is classic!! He shouldn't have taken the checks if they were "Marginal". Wasn't this to be the team of ALL teams this year? He keeps taking checks & the same thing happens again & again & again. Its the same story every year.

Things do change -- the checks and rosters get bigger every year!

The black team was deluted with regular terp players and even some "b" kids who didn't make original first team. That became a problem in the end because one could clearly see these players just did not belong there. This took incredible patience from members and their parents affected but as everyone knows this was a learning year; A skill building year. Next year is important and this team has an incredible foundation to work with.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess u need to recruit more kids repeating the grade. 3 of your middies should be going into 10th grade. That is a fact. Please don't tell me the u15 bull. If you turned 15 before dec 1, you should be in 10th grade. And the one middie that repeated 8th grade and now going to Chaminade. It is wrong. And sad that they can get away with it. Just my 2 cents

Wow. Don't hold back! Hope your kid isn't a rising freshman cause it sure sounds like its gonna be a LONGGGGGG four years if he is!!!

Terps Black destroyed the breakers 12-1 in the fall, beat True Blue and have beaten the Outlaws top team many times. they have also beaten the Dukes several times. Games at the Crabfest were reduced to 8 minute running time which is not indicative of much. Taams get up by one goal and then run out the clock. Terps are willing to play any one any time . Just call Channy and set it up. Dont put it on the Terps players that their coach has too many kids on the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Change the focus for a minute - who wins the Suffolk and Nassau champs in 2017?

Suffolk
A. Smithtown West
B. Sayville
C. Shoreham

Nassau
A. Syosset
B. Garden City
C. Cold Spring Harbor
C.

Dont short change West Islip and Bay Shore!!!

I am an Express kid on the 2016 team ,I wish all you parents would quit ripping on the 2017 Express kids. Sometimes these guys play up and we really like it when they play on our team. They are unselfish and very athletic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps Black has a strong group of core player.None of these core kids are going to leave. First ,they have a great on field chemistry, second they really like the coaches and third they have built great friendships amongst each other. The issue is that there are too many kids on the team, and many of them are marginal. Channy had to play them since they wrote the check . Once they get it down to a smaller more manageable team everything will be fine.

Channy had to play them because they wrote the check? That is classic!! He shouldn't have taken the checks if they were "Marginal". Wasn't this to be the team of ALL teams this year? He keeps taking checks & the same thing happens again & again & again. Its the same story every year.

Things do change -- the checks and rosters get bigger every year!

The black team was deluted with regular terp players and even some "b" kids who didn't make original first team. That became a problem in the end because one could clearly see these players just did not belong there. This took incredible patience from members and their parents affected but as everyone knows this was a learning year; A skill building year. Next year is important and this team has an incredible foundation to work with.

Isn't that what was said last year? (& the year before, & the year before) The Terps were formed in September, correct? & Channy kept taking the checks after? Then, The "Black" team was formed to placate the parents because there were too many kids added,& kids were moved, added, dropped, etc. You are right, there is a good core group of kids that belong on a team that does right by them. Why stay where they keep doing this? I don't get it. It makes for some VERY angry parents (& some ridiculous posts) Good luck to these boys. Remember, there is a whole big world outside of Epressland

Do you really think all the Terp black kids, will always be better then the Terp kids? We will chat in 2 years, let's see if your man enough to tell the true.

Channy does a great job with the boys on each team. They all like playing for him. Everyone has improved a lot over the course of the last year. At the end of the day, most people parents still want their sons on the Express, no matter what team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Channy does a great job with the boys on each team. They all like playing for him. Everyone has improved a lot over the course of the last year. At the end of the day, most people parents still want their sons on the Express, no matter what team.

BS They take kids who where told they made the A team then drop them to B before at the last minute because a better kid walks in right before the season, the 2021 B team is an epic disaster and you have very good players on the a team that cant sniff the field while others on the field start to finish. Everywhere I go I hear horror stories about this organization and they are defiantly on my list of teams Not to try out for

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps Black destroyed the breakers 12-1 in the fall, beat True Blue and have beaten the Outlaws top team many times. they have also beaten the Dukes several times. Games at the Crabfest were reduced to 8 minute running time which is not indicative of much. Taams get up by one goal and then run out the clock. Terps are willing to play any one any time . Just call Channy and set it up. Dont put it on the Terps players that their coach has too many kids on the team.

When did they play/beat the Outlaws?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Channy does a great job with the boys on each team. They all like playing for him. Everyone has improved a lot over the course of the last year. At the end of the day, most people parents still want their sons on the Express, no matter what team.

BS They take kids who where told they made the A team then drop them to B before at the last minute because a better kid walks in right before the season, the 2021 B team is an epic disaster and you have very good players on the a team that cant sniff the field while others on the field start to finish. Everywhere I go I hear horror stories about this organization and they are defiantly on my list of teams Not to try out for

Wrong - kids don't just show up right before the season - they are invited sometime between tryouts and the season. But they are usually better than the kids already there. Get used to it - happens all the time in high school and college - coaches at every level are always on the recruiting hunt for a kid better than yours - the new shiney toy is always better than the old one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Channy does a great job with the boys on each team. They all like playing for him. Everyone has improved a lot over the course of the last year. At the end of the day, most people parents still want their sons on the Express, no matter what team.

BS They take kids who where told they made the A team then drop them to B before at the last minute because a better kid walks in right before the season, the 2021 B team is an epic disaster and you have very good players on the a team that cant sniff the field while others on the field start to finish. Everywhere I go I hear horror stories about this organization and they are defiantly on my list of teams Not to try out for

Wrong - kids don't just show up right before the season - they are invited sometime between tryouts and the season. But they are usually better than the kids already there. Get used to it - happens all the time in high school and college - coaches at every level are always on the recruiting hunt for a kid better than yours - the new shiney toy is always better than the old one.

Some organizations stick to their word. When a kid is told he made the A team then he is on the A team till next years tryouts. They dont suddenly drop him a few weeks before the season after telling him 5 months before he was their guy.

My son has Chanenchuk as a coach and loves him. Express was the best decision for my son. He has had great training and has made great friends along the way which is such a bonus. There has never been a kid that has just showed up at the start of a season. There has been times that he has pulled a kid up from the B team that is very talented when we are short players and could use his help. This particular player is always more than welcome. I know that I am on a 2017 thread, but just happened to see "Channy" mentioned and was curious. My son is on his 2018 team so this is the experience I am coming from.

I agree with that post about the shiny toy. It happens all the time and kids need to get used to it now. That is reality.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son has Chanenchuk as a coach and loves him. Express was the best decision for my son. He has had great training and has made great friends along the way which is such a bonus. There has never been a kid that has just showed up at the start of a season. There has been times that he has pulled a kid up from the B team that is very talented when we are short players and could use his help. This particular player is always more than welcome. I know that I am on a 2017 thread, but just happened to see "Channy" mentioned and was curious. My son is on his 2018 team so this is the experience I am coming from.

doesn't that team carry 28 players? how could they be short players?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree with that post about the shiny toy. It happens all the time and kids need to get used to it now. That is reality.

It doesn't happen all of the time! You have all become desensitized to right & wrong. Most teams choose their players in September & stick with them (good or bad) through the summer season. In HS/College ball, are there kids that are told they are playing "said position" but, get beat out by other players, absolutely...that's a totally different situation! No need to get used to it, go somewhere you are respected.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Terps Black destroyed the breakers 12-1 in the fall, beat True Blue and have beaten the Outlaws top team many times. they have also beaten the Dukes several times. Games at the Crabfest were reduced to 8 minute running time which is not indicative of much. Taams get up by one goal and then run out the clock. Terps are willing to play any one any time . Just call Channy and set it up. Dont put it on the Terps players that their coach has too many kids on the team.

The Terps Black will be playing the outlaws this weekend! Good luck Outlaws.......

When did they play/beat the Outlaws?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am an Express kid on the 2016 team ,I wish all you parents would quit ripping on the 2017 Express kids. Sometimes these guys play up and we really like it when they play on our team. They are unselfish and very athletic.

Thank you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The rumor on the street is Team 91 is raiding the Terps Black program. One kid has already left. I heard in return Terps Black is raiding fl$.

Been around for along time and I am a black parent. I will say that there is a world of difference between the two teams (91 and terps black) with regard to conduct both on the field and on the sidelines.. 91 behavior may be acceptable to those involved with their team ( and that's good because who would entrust their child to someone they don't support) but certainly not to me or my son. Suppose it's a matter of preference . Every single kid on black, both "a " or "b " players were coached with respect and integrity and opportunity. Not bashing 91 but just saying it's not for all. Good luck to those making the switch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you really think all the Terp black kids, will always be better then the Terp kids? We will chat in 2 years, let's see if your man enough to tell the true.

yes....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Channy does a great job with the boys on each team. They all like playing for him. Everyone has improved a lot over the course of the last year. At the end of the day, most people parents still want their sons on the Express, no matter what team.

agree to that!!

Express 2017 had a great performance at Lake Placid, went 4-1 playing tough older teams.

I heard the Terps gave a strong performance in the Lake Placid tournament. Rumor has it that several of their top kids are being recruited to other clubs though.

Who did they lose to?

They beat several strong 2016 teams from upstate new [lacrosse] . They lost 7-6 in the semis to a 2016 team from Maryland that was called Academy Mortgage that had several kids from the Crabs and well know schools as well as some 2015's on their team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard the Terps gave a strong performance in the Lake Placid tournament. Rumor has it that several of their top kids are being recruited to other clubs though.

TOP kids? I suppose that's in the eye of the beholder. Stop trying to instigate and scare people. Express still has best coaches, players and parents. And the IMPACT players will be staying, thank you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard the Terps gave a strong performance in the Lake Placid tournament. Rumor has it that several of their top kids are being recruited to other clubs though.

TOP kids? I suppose that's in the eye of the beholder. Stop trying to instigate and scare people. Express still has best coaches, players and parents. And the IMPACT players will be staying, thank you.

Ha!! You sure about that? A bit strange the you are speaking for all these players as if you REALLY are the mom or dad for all these "IMPACT" kids.

How do you know the IMPACT players are staying? If I was a parent of those kids I would certainly be listening to the other offers. Every Club knows who these players are and they are all making their pitches. This past year was not a healthy situation with far too many kids on the team. Channy is a good game coach but he needs strong players to work with to compete at the A /AA level. So lets see how it plays out over the next months. If Channy keeps the core of the team in place, their future is bright. If not they are just another team.

Is it believable that a few turtles are already committed but the college coaches want to keep it hush for fear of more media backlash that the system is broken?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard the Terps gave a strong performance in the Lake Placid tournament. Rumor has it that several of their top kids are being recruited to other clubs though.

TOP kids? I suppose that's in the eye of the beholder. Stop trying to instigate and scare people. Express still has best coaches, players and parents. And the IMPACT players will be staying, thank you.

This is amusing. Where were the "best" coaches during the chaos that ensued this year? The parents? If this board is any indication of what the parents are like, IDK if I would say the "best parents". There are some VERY good players on LI & they are not all on Express anymore. Sorry & Thank you

I hardly think the Turtle kids are committed. Quite a few of them went to the Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip Rising Freshman event. None of them were among the standouts listed in Inside Lacrosse. They have a great system and the kids play well in the structure. There are some very good players for sure but none that I have seen would qualify as elite.

As all teams end they're summer season the tryouts for teams are fast approcahing. As a dad who doesn't know the travel lacrosse scene well, what teams should I have my son tryout for?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard the Terps gave a strong performance in the Lake Placid tournament. Rumor has it that several of their top kids are being recruited to other clubs though.

TOP kids? I suppose that's in the eye of the beholder. Stop trying to instigate and scare people. Express still has best coaches, players and parents. And the IMPACT players will be staying, thank you.

This is amusing. Where were the "best" coaches during the chaos that ensued this year? The parents? If this board is any indication of what the parents are like, IDK if I would say the "best parents". There are some VERY good players on LI & they are not all on Express anymore. Sorry & Thank you

And the bashing continues. Why do you people claim "the best " this, "the best " that.... What's important is that it's the right choice for your son. That's it. My son was on the team and if parents got upset, that was there choice. Although I don't agree with adding on extra marginal players, it was what it was and we made the best of it. Bottom line is he became a better player BECAUSE of his coaches.

How many of The Terps Black are looking at other teams ?

Is there a spring league like OBYL or Merchant marine for teams in this age group or are the kids only playing for their high school teams? Tks