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Lets be honest here, the North team was picked before the kids even stepped on the field.....Great bunch of players, there is no doubt about that, but lets not pretend that it wasn't a farce.......

Lets be honest here, the North team was picked before the kids even stepped on the field.....Great bunch of players, there is no doubt about that, but lets not pretend that it wasn't a farce.......

Wrong. Last year it was evaluated by a club coach , Ballers , who loaded up the 2015 team with players , including his son, from his team that he coaches. He is also from Pequa and placed a bunch of Pequa kids on it as well.

So get your facts straight.

What difference does the birthdate make? Isn't Rob Pannell like 25 yrs old?

This has to be true!! No way for all of the Turtles to not only make the team but to also all be on the North. The Turtles are an amazing team but there are a few of them that made the team that did not deserve it as individuals.

And you think it gets any better at the higher level? Check out some of the top D I college teams where they have the birth dates on the player profile. Perfect example is UNC. Most are all a year or even two older for their grade compared to ny cutoff date. Also, add a pg, redshirt or grade repeater and you have really, really good lacrosse players that blow away 17 year old freshmen. Like it or not, it is what it is. There is no such thing as an even playing field, literally, when it comes to age uniformity.

Sorry to burst your bubble but, it's just not true. Not all of north are Turtles & they were t all chosen @ the first tryout or before hand. You sound very petty

I dont care one way or another, just stating facts. What is the percentage of the North team that are Turtles? I know for a fact there were two kids at the tryout that were sent to the other field that ended making the team that just "happeneed" to be Turtles. Noone is saying that the North team is not made up of great players, the issue is that the tryout was inherently unfair and the team was predetermined. I dont think that sounds petty at all, congratulations to your son for making it, but dont sit here and tell me that tryout was fair, because it wasnt even close. A tryout is supposed to be about who impressed the evaluators "that day", not a preconceived notion of who should be on the team based on who they play for.

Enjoy Maryland, Its a great experience.

Agree....and we will see if they are placed together when the teams start playing.....my bet....yes they will !!

Completely agree.

I dont care one way or another, just stating facts. What is the percentage of the North team that are Turtles? I know for a fact there were two kids at the tryout that were sent to the other field that ended making the team that just "happeneed" to be Turtles. Noone is saying that the North team is not made up of great players, the issue is that the tryout was inherently unfair and the team was predetermined. I dont think that sounds petty at all, congratulations to your son for making it, but dont sit here and tell me that tryout was fair, because it wasnt even close. A tryout is supposed to be about who impressed the evaluators "that day", not a preconceived notion of who should be on the team based on who they play for.

Enjoy Maryland, Its a great experience.

Lets be honest here, the North team was picked before the kids even stepped on the field.....Great bunch of players, there is no doubt about that, but lets not pretend that it wasn't a farce.......

Pennell was born December 1989 which makes him 23 years old.

His case is exaggerated to some extent as he exercised an NCAA clause that allowed a fifth year of undergraduate eligibility. He did not graduate with his class at Cornell in Spring 2013 by virtue of taking an "incomplete" in one of his senior year classes. (Remember that he broke his foot? Well, it turns out that Cornell and the Ivy League does not issue medical red shirts, so this was their way around that problem.)

didn't he also pg? so i would say he had a distinct advantage as a 23 soon to be 24 yr old playing against 17 to 21 yr olds! makes me rethink this whole age vs grade debate....

Thank you. You couldn't be more right. This why MD, kids look so much bigger and stronger. A year or two makes huge difference between 13 and 20. The coaches are looking for the older kids.... It's another reason why many schools are telling kids to PG a year. If the talent level is the same, physical maturity is the thing that will make the difference. Everyone knows it. That's why kids are held back, repeat grade etc. it's done because its a huge advantage. If you take a rising junior whos an above average player and drop him down and play him with rising sophomores he becomes a top player... Everything needs to be aged based for tournaments and recruiting. If you disagree you're gaming the system, plain and simple.

In MD no teams are filled exclusively with Red-Shirted players

A 20 boy roster will have at most 1-2 boys who are a year older than their classmates. About 25% will be born in the fall of 1998 which is age appropriate for US Lacrosse.

2017 HS Grad year interpreted from US Lacrosse is boys born
Sept 1 1998 to Aug 31, 1999 (which is currently U-14).

Since there are boys older than this who are still in 8th grade, US Lacrosse sets the age guideline as U-15 so that these boys do not need to sit out.



Recruiters care what year you are going to come play at their school and not how old you will be when you get there. Grade based is the most appropriate way to set up teams and torunaments for that simple reason.

lets be clear the Brine event has an A and B team from LI. They picked the 20 best kids from the first tryout, they held a second tryout adding 5 kids to the North team and created a 25 player South team. They did not choose the top 50 then break them up. They also invited and had additional players at the second tryout that didn't make the first tryout. The Turtles are by far the strongest team in the grade and you would expect their boys would fill the majority of the North team. Are you implying Li should have made 2 even teams to send down??? C'mon i thought we got past that with middle school.

Not true. fl$ has good players. Not great players. Like everone else they are not as deep. They can not play with the top teams. What top team have you beaten? This equal playing time is as funny as the terps black players not playing with the Terps.

Who are you people from another planet?????fl$ has some great players. My son plays on another team and is very good friends with some well known players on the fl$ team. All of these club teams have some great players. Everyone knows who they are. Your clueless if you don't know that. They can play with anybody. Give credit where credit is do. They cannot dictate an organizations philosophy. It works for them. Maybe it's better than the circus called Express. But don't say that fl$ or any team doesn't have some or a few truely great players because you just sound stupid.

You're the one that sounds stupid.It's all right there on the fl$(For the Love of the $) website.Address the statement above? ? ? You can't.Parents paid over one hundred dollars last fall and expected a FAIR try-out. They got MUCH LESS.

most of those kids dont even belong on the team. They let better kids go to keep the old team togther.

Very transparent responce. The old my sons freinds story. Give it a break. Who have you beaten to claim how good you are.

I agree. But your not on here claiming to be a top team. fl$ is a good team but not a top team in the age group. Maybe next year they will pick players who belong and who dont know the coach

If fl$ could play half as good as the parents claim to be a top team. The team would be AAAA. lol fl$ is an good team who has not beaten any one and has not played the top teams in the age group. Heres a thought, Stop talking unitl you beat someone. You are the ones that sound stupid.

Please reconsider throwing words like "stupid" in your posts. BOTC thought you might like to review your last four posts. Please back away from the keyboard as this constitutes assault and battery on the English language.

You are missing the point. This has nothing to with tryouts. My son was not there we play for another team. We cannot comment on a tryout. Someone made the statement that fl$ does not have any great players. That statement is completely false. My sons team has played them and they a couple of great players that my son knows well and would make our team or any other team better. Most teams have at least 3 or 4 great players that could make any team. Give them credit. Every kid that plays lacrosse on Long Island and beyond knows who they are. Great teams have 9 or more great players. Those teams that have more depth and talent win more games. But don't short change the few great players on many of these teams

Agree 100 percent. My son plays for another 2017 team and he has played with several of the fl$ kids and they are as talented as anyone. So I guess its pick on fl$ week? Leave the team and the kids alone theyre fine.