Boys 2027 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - US Lacrosse Community Forum

Use this thread to discuss lacrosse for Boys from the class of 2027 in the Mid-Atlantic region.

Hawks tryouts this weekend. I wonder if it will be a big turnout.

What happened to the Hawks? They lost two yesterday. I saw them play FCA and they got smoked. Did they lose some players?

They played in the 2026AA bracket.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They played in the 2026AA bracket.

THIS^^^^^^^^^

So they played on age...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They played in the 2026AA bracket.

so they played on age

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They played in the 2026AA bracket.

THIS^^^^^^^^^

I was at the tournament. I don't know how they came up with the bracket designations for 2026 because the kids were the same in both. If the Hawks 2027 were playing on age in a 2026 bracket then that is a really small team. They were definitely out-sized and out-skilled for the most part.

2027 Hawks would have run through the 2027 bracket. Kudos to them for playing up. I know some parents from that Hawks team. They have 2 holdbacks total. 2. They start 2 2028’s! So I guess they cancel each other out.

Solid team. I think we need to distinguish whether a kid is 2028 in their schooling or age. If they were born before Sept 2009 and after August 2008 then they were meant to be a 2027, at least in MD public school. They may be a different year academic wise, up or down, and that's just their journey. If they are actually younger then Aug 2009 that is a difficult feat. Otherwise I would question saying that 2028s are starting.

A team takes on the challenge and plays up to improve themselves. What comes out of it? The whining about what kids are on the proper class year or not. Please leave the hold back none sense behind and let kids be kids.

When other club sports like soccer are strict on this why is pointing this discrepancy in lacrosse nonsense. I've seen well talented kids kicked off their club team when a kid plays down takes their place. And parents who brag that their kids are playing up in club when actually playing in the right age group, not school year, are right to be called out.

Apples and oranges. You play by the rules set up by the organizers. Luckily, there are plenty of options in lacrosse in the form of USL sanctioned tournaments and A and B level tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When other club sports like soccer are strict on this why is pointing this discrepancy in lacrosse nonsense. I've seen well talented kids kicked off their club team when a kid plays down takes their place. And parents who brag that their kids are playing up in club when actually playing in the right age group, not school year, are right to be called out.

Fighting a losing battle. The holdbacks won. If you can, reclass. Do it . You will competing more and more with players getting an age advantage most dont get.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When other club sports like soccer are strict on this why is pointing this discrepancy in lacrosse nonsense. I've seen well talented kids kicked off their club team when a kid plays down takes their place. And parents who brag that their kids are playing up in club when actually playing in the right age group, not school year, are right to be called out.

Fighting a losing battle. The holdbacks won. If you can, reclass. Do it . You will competing more and more with players getting an age advantage most dont get.

And in Maryland, you have very little chance of playing at a high level unless held back. Too many private school holdbacks/prefirsts to compete against. By the time you get to High School and caught up with them physically, it will be to late.

So what's your point, don't play? There are only 2 holdbacks on the 27 hawks and they aren't the best players. Those kids play a LOT of lacrosse, maybe they are good because they put in more effort?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what's your point, don't play? There are only 2 holdbacks on the 27 hawks and they aren't the best players. Those kids play a LOT of lacrosse, maybe they are good because they put in more effort?

Keep dreaming, in next two years it will be holdbacks/prefirst/reclass dominating most top teams, along with the players born Sept-Dec who werent held back.

Sorry, It is just the way it is in MD and Northeast....and now in many other areas.

Dreaming? That's a fact 2, hold backs on that team and 2 who are playing up. They are clearly one of the best teams right now, I don't care if kids get held back or not. My point was that the 27 Hawks are not "full of holdbacks" which is the common theme above.

Again, what's the point? Reclass or not you can be good even playing against hold backs, seems like an excuse to me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dreaming? That's a fact 2, hold backs on that team and 2 who are playing up. They are clearly one of the best teams right now, I don't care if kids get held back or not. My point was that the 27 Hawks are not "full of holdbacks" which is the common theme above.

Again, what's the point? Reclass or not you can be good even playing against hold backs, seems like an excuse to me.

You obviously have not been thru the grind in last 5 years with respect to lacrosse played from 8-12th grade. Just wait until Puberty hits and many of your on age players are passed by holdbacks hitting puberty earlier and others that puberty has propelled along. Then it will be,,I got to do something, Johnny cant compete, These next few years are the big years to establish yourself, and being older works.

From 6 to 9th grade the lacrosse world changes. Reclass is on the way for many who really want to play on a top HS team. Sorry, No other way for many. 5-9 to 5-11 lacrosse player does not work on age for top HS or club teams. If your goal is Towson HS, you are ok, If your goal is MIAA, Dont even think on age will work. It wont for majority of players. The best teams starters are those same prefirst/holdbacks/reclassed everyone complains about and says will not make it. LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what's your point, don't play? There are only 2 holdbacks on the 27 hawks and they aren't the best players. Those kids play a LOT of lacrosse, maybe they are good because they put in more effort?

Keep dreaming, in next two years it will be holdbacks/prefirst/reclass dominating most top teams, along with the players born Sept-Dec who werent held back.

Sorry, It is just the way it is in MD and Northeast....and now in many other areas.

So now we are grouping Sept-Dec birthdays in with holdbacks? You are truly pathetic. I feel very sorry for your player.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what's your point, don't play? There are only 2 holdbacks on the 27 hawks and they aren't the best players. Those kids play a LOT of lacrosse, maybe they are good because they put in more effort?

Keep dreaming, in next two years it will be holdbacks/prefirst/reclass dominating most top teams, along with the players born Sept-Dec who werent held back.

Sorry, It is just the way it is in MD and Northeast....and now in many other areas.

So now we are grouping Sept-Dec birthdays in with holdbacks? You are truly pathetic. I feel very sorry for your player.

I see you missed out on reading comprehension in school. Easy to comprehend your player is a holdback who couldn't make it on age. Your player will always carry the holdback badge with him. Well done.

Might want to read Malcolm Gladwell's book " Outliers ". It will help with understanding Sept-Dec birthdays. But first take a refresher course in reading comprehension.

You sound bitter...

Why is Team MD pushing that they won an elite tournament for 26 and 27s? The 26 "elite" won in the B division and the 27 won against teams that were taken down easily by A teams last year. Great job winning a tournament. Simmer down now and come back with real elite wins.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is Team MD pushing that they won an elite tournament for 26 and 27s? The 26 "elite" won in the B division and the 27 won against teams that were taken down easily by A teams last year. Great job winning a tournament. Simmer down now and come back with real elite wins.

Chill out Dad... let them have their moment.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is Team MD pushing that they won an elite tournament for 26 and 27s? The 26 "elite" won in the B division and the 27 won against teams that were taken down easily by A teams last year. Great job winning a tournament. Simmer down now and come back with real elite wins.

Do you even have to ask ??? " Give it to the 9th grader "

Wow! Heard Team MD is cleaning up at Young Gunz and beat Hawks... What is going on with the Hawks?

Lol the Hawks are 3-0 heading into day 2 and beat team md

Team MD appears to have had a good showing. The Crabs are not as consistent as they have been in the past especially with all the new looney players (hint, stop carrying your looneys bag around). Team MD has a game against Madlax this afternoon. If they can keep the score close that'll be impressive.

The score looks decent. Have not heard how the game play went.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team MD appears to have had a good showing. The Crabs are not as consistent as they have been in the past especially with all the new looney players (hint, stop carrying your looneys bag around). Team MD has a game against Madlax this afternoon. If they can keep the score close that'll be impressive.

Usually Team MD is a bunch of trophy hunters, playing down to look better, but this team is decent.

They beat MadLax by three and lost to the Hawks by one. Sounds pretty decent to me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They beat MadLax by three and lost to the Hawks by one. Sounds pretty decent to me.

I disagree. The sum doesn’t equal the parts. On the contrary, these two teams are on a crash course to meet again.

I don’t get what you disagree with, and which two teams are on course to meet again?
I was responding to the poster who said that Team MD are trophy hunters who play down in weak events. My point was that they went 1-1 in close games with Hawks and MadLax, two extremely strong teams, and therefore should be a strong team too.

Good showing. Don't know the current size of the hawks 27 but heat mgmt has to be an issue if they're playing few players.

Everybody played in the same heat and nobody had a small roster. Hard to see how conditions favor one team over another.

I know that Hawks team pretty well, normally they don't sub attack and d but they have middies for days. When their first and 3rd middies look the same it's a problem. They are a very deep team.

They seemed to have kept their roster over the years. I've heard of more movement in other years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was responding to the poster who said that Team MD are trophy hunters who play down in weak events. My point was that they went 1-1 in close games with Hawks and MadLax, two extremely strong teams, and therefore should be a strong team too.

What I said was that Team MD as a program "usually" plays down at weaker events. Any program that brags about an "elite" team winning the B division of any tournament by a combined score of 46-6 is definitely trophy hunting. No team playing in a B division should be that out of balance.

What I also said was that 27 team is decent. In fact, they probably border on legit. They will likely compete in at least AA in HoCo next year. And good for them.

But that doesn't change the fact that overall this program trophy hunts.

whatever, but I have not seen very many Hoco AA teams who beat Madlax or come within one of Hawks; that's all I'm saying.

Has anyone heard what is going on with BLC? They've been very quiet this summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone heard what is going on with BLC? They've been very quiet this summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone heard what is going on with BLC? They've been very quiet this summer.

True. I haven’t seen them in any of the tournaments. They did relatively well last summer.

they're busy reshuffling players into blue and orange groups apparently. Welcome back, you're demoted! It was funny they weren't at NAL (the 27s) and not at summer exposure.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

whatever, but I have not seen very many Hoco AA teams who beat Madlax or come within one of Hawks; that's all I'm saying.

And that is all that needs to be said!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

they're busy reshuffling players into blue and orange groups apparently. Welcome back, you're demoted! It was funny they weren't at NAL (the 27s) and not at summer exposure.

Hearing rumors that blue imploded after the coach quit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

they're busy reshuffling players into blue and orange groups apparently. Welcome back, you're demoted! It was funny they weren't at NAL (the 27s) and not at summer exposure.

Hearing rumors that blue imploded after the coach quit.

Ok thanks. They were very good in last year's hoco.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

they're busy reshuffling players into blue and orange groups apparently. Welcome back, you're demoted! It was funny they weren't at NAL (the 27s) and not at summer exposure.

Hearing rumors that blue imploded after the coach quit.

Ok thanks. They were very good in last year's hoco.

So a losing record is very good?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

they're busy reshuffling players into blue and orange groups apparently. Welcome back, you're demoted! It was funny they weren't at NAL (the 27s) and not at summer exposure.

Hearing rumors that blue imploded after the coach quit.

Ok thanks. They were very good in last year's hoco.

So a losing record is very good?

They were not very good in HoCo. The coach's kid left MD and the remaining hub of MD parents now had the ability to speak out against the coach without fear of losing playing time or sucking up to him. They were also bad last summer beating up teams in a B tournament and had losing records for the other tournaments they entered. I think they may have even left a tournament this summer mid games. The team is way too MD centric and maybe now BLC can try and have an honest daddy ball tryout.

I thought they played relatively well at NLF last summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought they played relatively well at NLF last summer.

Meh - lost to probably the top 2 orgs on the east coast but got blown out in 2 of the 3. Beat a terrible team and barely beat the other. With a team stacked with well over 50% of the roster having birthdays before 9/1, they should be much better. Maybe the coaching change and a lineup shuffle will help but most likely the MD parents will continue to influence this roster until it goes to DCE and then it will be broken up.

Seems like a lot of shuffling between madlax, bethesda and next level. haven't seen much of next level 27 either this summer.

Madlax collects that $$ and plays lots of tournaments and practiced all during the quarantine period. Next Level and BLC had their June and July tournaments either cancel or get postponed. NL is practicing and will end up playing a couple and BLC called it a summer several weeks ago. BLC has deep pockets but seems to be in the most disarray,

Sounds right. That you're guranteed a spot at BLC but it could be blue or orange looked rough. NL or BLC not at summer exposure and then I'd be surprised if BLC is still in the millon invitational. For 27 I don't think we'll see a lot of surprises at summer exposure this year.

NL will be at million though.

Regarding the typical age argument, my son has been playing up since he started playing. He typically plays mid atlantic circuit. He is a 2028 but plays 2027 A level and I feel like that is the correct level for his team. My question is, how old are these kids typically? This past weekend at summer exposure there appeared to be kids that look like they should be in HS all over the place. We dont see 12 year olds in any sport that requires age verification look like that in Pa, and that is across multiple counties. I don't want to come off like I am complaining but just trying to get a better understanding on how badly the age/grad year system is abused in these tourneys. As far as I know they are allowed to have just turned 12. Is it typical to see 6 foot tall 150-175 kids that are fully developed physically?

Most tournaments have no restriction other then grad year so you could see kids +1,+2 older then a typical rising 6th grader. Many of the private schools push for a pre-1st or double 8th grade.

So who is to say they are even in the current grade they are playing at? Is anything verified at all? Sounds like a free for all to me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Regarding the typical age argument, my son has been playing up since he started playing. He typically plays mid atlantic circuit. He is a 2028 but plays 2027 A level and I feel like that is the correct level for his team. My question is, how old are these kids typically? This past weekend at summer exposure there appeared to be kids that look like they should be in HS all over the place. We dont see 12 year olds in any sport that requires age verification look like that in Pa, and that is across multiple counties. I don't want to come off like I am complaining but just trying to get a better understanding on how badly the age/grad year system is abused in these tourneys. As far as I know they are allowed to have just turned 12. Is it typical to see 6 foot tall 150-175 kids that are fully developed physically?

2027s should be 10 to start the year in September and 11 by the summer. There should be very few 12 year olds, any 12 year olds in 5th grade have been held back.

Yes, I'm not sure what made sports like soccer so much stricter on age. US lacrosse doesn't seem to really tackle this issue. Older kids help teams win and that helps teams attract kids. Most parents want their kids at least playing with their own grade. Clubs also seem to want to meet the letter of the law in having kids in their grade groups so it's not called out too bad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Regarding the typical age argument, my son has been playing up since he started playing. He typically plays mid atlantic circuit. He is a 2028 but plays 2027 A level and I feel like that is the correct level for his team. My question is, how old are these kids typically? This past weekend at summer exposure there appeared to be kids that look like they should be in HS all over the place. We dont see 12 year olds in any sport that requires age verification look like that in Pa, and that is across multiple counties. I don't want to come off like I am complaining but just trying to get a better understanding on how badly the age/grad year system is abused in these tourneys. As far as I know they are allowed to have just turned 12. Is it typical to see 6 foot tall 150-175 kids that are fully developed physically?

2027s should be 10 to start the year in September and 11 by the summer. There should be very few 12 year olds, any 12 year olds in 5th grade have been held back.

I'd be surprised to learn if there are elite teams that wouldn't accept a kid in his grade regardless of age. They may ask him to play up if capable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

they're busy reshuffling players into blue and orange groups apparently. Welcome back, you're demoted! It was funny they weren't at NAL (the 27s) and not at summer exposure.

Hearing rumors that blue imploded after the coach quit.

Ok thanks. They were very good in last year's hoco.

So a losing record is very good?

They were not very good in HoCo. The coach's kid left MD and the remaining hub of MD parents now had the ability to speak out against the coach without fear of losing playing time or sucking up to him. They were also bad last summer beating up teams in a B tournament and had losing records for the other tournaments they entered. I think they may have even left a tournament this summer mid games. The team is way too MD centric and maybe now BLC can try and have an honest daddy ball tryout.

I assume that was Walsh since only Fritiz is listed now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, I'm not sure what made sports like soccer so much stricter on age. US lacrosse doesn't seem to really tackle this issue. Older kids help teams win and that helps teams attract kids. Most parents want their kids at least playing with their own grade. Clubs also seem to want to meet the letter of the law in having kids in their grade groups so it's not called out too bad.

I have never seen proof of grade even addressed at this level. My son is always one of the 2 or 3 biggest players on the field and admittedly looks older than a 2027, but he turned 11 in May and has always been 97th-99th percentile in height and is just developing early. Opposing parents cry non-stop that he "must be 13" claim he is playing down etc. but I have never been asked for proof of him having just finished 5th grade, nor has our coach been asked (outside of the casual...is he really a 2027 question from the other team). We have always carried his birth certificate in case restaurants try and keep him off the kids menu, but not an issue in lax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, I'm not sure what made sports like soccer so much stricter on age. US lacrosse doesn't seem to really tackle this issue. Older kids help teams win and that helps teams attract kids. Most parents want their kids at least playing with their own grade. Clubs also seem to want to meet the letter of the law in having kids in their grade groups so it's not called out too bad.

I have never seen proof of grade even addressed at this level. My son is always one of the 2 or 3 biggest players on the field and admittedly looks older than a 2027, but he turned 11 in May and has always been 97th-99th percentile in height and is just developing early. Opposing parents cry non-stop that he "must be 13" claim he is playing down etc. but I have never been asked for proof of him having just finished 5th grade, nor has our coach been asked (outside of the casual...is he really a 2027 question from the other team). We have always carried his birth certificate in case restaurants try and keep him off the kids menu, but not an issue in lax.

You are the rarity, most larger than life players are prefirst or holdbacks. It really has gotten out of hand now as the pie is only so big for the many skilled High School players now. Years ago, it was MD up Mass prep schools and Long Island public/caholic schools feeding the college Lacrosse world...No more..way to many players from everywhere, prefirst/reclass/holdback are epidemic now without age gudelines. USL is in Baltimore surrounded by Private schools..They are useless.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have never seen proof of grade even addressed at this level. My son is always one of the 2 or 3 biggest players on the field and admittedly looks older than a 2027, but he turned 11 in May and has always been 97th-99th percentile in height and is just developing early. Opposing parents cry non-stop that he "must be 13" claim he is playing down etc. but I have never been asked for proof of him having just finished 5th grade, nor has our coach been asked (outside of the casual...is he really a 2027 question from the other team). We have always carried his birth certificate in case restaurants try and keep him off the kids menu, but not an issue in lax.

You are the rarity, most larger than life players are prefirst or holdbacks. It really has gotten out of hand now as the pie is only so big for the many skilled High School players now. Years ago, it was MD up Mass prep schools and Long Island public/caholic schools feeding the college Lacrosse world...No more..way to many players from everywhere, prefirst/reclass/holdback are epidemic now without age gudelines. USL is in Baltimore surrounded by Private schools..They are useless.[/quote]
I understand and agree I am the rarity (Not trying to be a donk, but that’s why I put height percentile). I’d love for lax to be by age as it is the right/fair thing, but it’s not. It hurts my own kid, but given his academic and social standing I’d never stunt his life growth for lax. Plus, if I have that much of an issue I can play him in all the other rational non-school sports that have age cutoffs. I know you’ll say if my kid was small I’d feel different, but I don’t think I would. You deal with what’s in place and don’t cry about what you can’t control. Step up
or give up, your call.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]they're busy reshuffling players into blue and orange groups apparently. Welcome back, you're demoted! It was funny they weren't at NAL (the 27s) and not at summer exposure.

Hearing

They were not very good in HoCo. The coach's kid left MD and the remaining hub of MD parents now had the ability to speak out against the coach without fear of losing playing time or sucking up to him. They were also bad last summer beating up teams in a B tournament and had losing records for the other tournaments they entered. I think they may have even left a tournament this summer mid games. The team is way too MD centric and maybe now BLC can try and have an honest daddy ball tryout.

I assume that was Walsh since only Fritiz is listed now.

Yes and I think Walsh is trying to move a bunch of kids to ML in exchange for what, I don't know. ML's current 27 coaches are pretty good. Maybe Walsh thinks he can create a new DC Dogs team. BLC 2027 teams should have a whole new look this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]they're busy reshuffling players into blue and orange groups apparently. Welcome back, you're demoted! It was funny they weren't at NAL (the 27s) and not at summer exposure.

Hearing

They were not very good in HoCo. The coach's kid left MD and the remaining hub of MD parents now had the ability to speak out against the coach without fear of losing playing time or sucking up to him. They were also bad last summer beating up teams in a B tournament and had losing records for the other tournaments they entered. I think they may have even left a tournament this summer mid games. The team is way too MD centric and maybe now BLC can try and have an honest daddy ball tryout.

I assume that was Walsh since only Fritiz is listed now.

Yes and I think Walsh is trying to move a bunch of kids to ML in exchange for what, I don't know. ML's current 27 coaches are pretty good. Maybe Walsh thinks he can create a new DC Dogs team. BLC 2027 teams should have a whole new look this year.

That'll be interesting. I"m not aware of one but it would interesting to see a club that has two elite teams at the same grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]they're busy reshuffling players into blue and orange groups apparently. Welcome back, you're demoted! It was funny they weren't at NAL (the 27s) and not at summer exposure.

Hearing

They were not very good in HoCo. The coach's kid left MD and the remaining hub of MD parents now had the ability to speak out against the coach without fear of losing playing time or sucking up to him. They were also bad last summer beating up teams in a B tournament and had losing records for the other tournaments they entered. I think they may have even left a tournament this summer mid games. The team is way too MD centric and maybe now BLC can try and have an honest daddy ball tryout.

I assume that was Walsh since only Fritiz is listed now.

Yes and I think Walsh is trying to move a bunch of kids to ML in exchange for what, I don't know. ML's current 27 coaches are pretty good. Maybe Walsh thinks he can create a new DC Dogs team. BLC 2027 teams should have a whole new look this year.

That'll be interesting. I"m not aware of one but it would interesting to see a club that has two elite teams at the same grade.

I wouldn't exactly call the BLC team elite. How is the 2023 DMV MadLax team? They were the Capital team before getting shoved aside. T

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, I'm not sure what made sports like soccer so much stricter on age. US lacrosse doesn't seem to really tackle this issue. Older kids help teams win and that helps teams attract kids. Most parents want their kids at least playing with their own grade. Clubs also seem to want to meet the letter of the law in having kids in their grade groups so it's not called out too bad.

I have never seen proof of grade even addressed at this level. My son is always one of the 2 or 3 biggest players on the field and admittedly looks older than a 2027, but he turned 11 in May and has always been 97th-99th percentile in height and is just developing early. Opposing parents cry non-stop that he "must be 13" claim he is playing down etc. but I have never been asked for proof of him having just finished 5th grade, nor has our coach been asked (outside of the casual...is he really a 2027 question from the other team). We have always carried his birth certificate in case restaurants try and keep him off the kids menu, but not an issue in lax.

Is he around 5'10" to 6' tall 150-175lbs with defined muscular physique? Seems crazy for 11 to 12 year olds to be fully grown already. Just curious what 99th percentile at that age really is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have never seen proof of grade even addressed at this level. My son is always one of the 2 or 3 biggest players on the field and admittedly looks older than a 2027, but he turned 11 in May and has always been 97th-99th percentile in height and is just developing early. Opposing parents cry non-stop that he "must be 13" claim he is playing down etc. but I have never been asked for proof of him having just finished 5th grade, nor has our coach been asked (outside of the casual...is he really a 2027 question from the other team). We have always carried his birth certificate in case restaurants try and keep him off the kids menu, but not an issue in lax.

It's that time of year... a group of kids move up to middle school and they start to deal with the whole "holdback" issue. And people complain that US Lacrosse doesn't do anything about it.

Well, US Lacrosse can't really do anything about it, except at tournaments they sanction. They have put forward recommended age groupings, but unless a tournament follows US Lacrosse's rules and goes through the hoops to get sanctioned, it doesn't really mean anything. Most don't.

The "elite" teams are always (at least around here) going to be filled with holdbacks. But there are plenty of teams that aren't.

If you really care about that sort of thing, play for a team that goes to sanctioned tournaments. I'll warn you though... there aren't that many around here. It's not going to change until teams stop playing in tournaments and leagues where this happens. And guess what? They're not going to stop. Is it cheating? No... it's playing within the rules as set forth by the league or tournament. Is it gaming the system? Maybe, if coaches are recruiting those types of players in order to "look better."

Does anyone know the scores from today's HoCo games?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know the scores from today's HoCo games?

Some teams won, some teams lost.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know the scores from today's HoCo games?

Some teams won, some teams lost.

Are they not keeping scores? Is it win/lose?

Anyone doing the metro box league? Hoping it gets enough players and teams.

Where is the Metro Box League? Link?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is the Metro Box League? Link?

http://www.mabll.com/Default.asp?org=dcbll.mobi

The arrows are one team https://spark.adobe.com/page/wWa73jc5Yc79A/ and another is warthogs https://www.warthogslacrosse.com/ . I think they have some type of partnership going.

Wow, rough day for Crabs and Bethesda blue at Fall Brawl today. Roster changes I assume!

I suspect the Crabs are having problems because they took on about 6-7 Looney's players and have just too many players on the roster to form any kind of cohesion. BLC's A team walked out at the end of the summer and most went to MadLax where they now have a gigantic roster but switch a bunch of kids between A and B depending on tournament and availability.

USCL Rankings coming out this week..

My take on the top 10

1. Madlax(VA)
2. 91 Machine(NY)
3. Next Level(MD)
4. Hawks(MD)
5. TommyKnockers(CO)
6. WCS(CA)
7. Laxachusetts(Mass)
8. Nationals(USA)
9. Sweetlax(FLA)
10. PA Roughriders(PA)

Because there was so little inter-regional play this summer and fall, I would imagine the clubs in your ranking are correct but the regions will be shuffled lower and higher. For example, NL and Hawks will slide lower and TK, WCS and Sweetlax will go higher.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Because there was so little inter-regional play this summer and fall, I would imagine the clubs in your ranking are correct but the regions will be shuffled lower and higher. For example, NL and Hawks will slide lower and TK, WCS and Sweetlax will go higher.

Why are 91 and Hawks not 1/2? They are easily the best two teams.

Hawks barely played this summer and fall, lost several kids and lost to Next Level 2x in the same tournament without Next Level's best players. Machine didn't play much either, split with the Hawks last summer and got blown out in the 2nd of those games.
Madlax combined with a pretty good BLC team to form a really good team and beat everyone they played.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks barely played this summer and fall, lost several kids and lost to Next Level 2x in the same tournament without Next Level's best players. Machine didn't play much either, split with the Hawks last summer and got blown out in the 2nd of those games.
Madlax combined with a pretty good BLC team to form a really good team and beat everyone they played.

Correct

Originally Posted by Anonymous

USCL Rankings coming out this week..

My take on the top 10

1. Madlax(VA)
2. 91 Machine(NY)
3. Next Level(MD)
4. Hawks(MD)
5. TommyKnockers(CO)
6. WCS(CA)
7. Laxachusetts(Mass)
8. Nationals(USA)
9. Sweetlax(FLA)
10. PA Roughriders(PA)

Club nationals are taking place this weekend and Madlax won't be number #1 if they don't win it. So far, Nationals look like they should be at or near the top. Madlax is also losing more of the BLC players and some of last year's roster. It's looking like that move was very short-sighted.

Game 1
Nationals LC- 10
West Coast Stars- 2

Game 2
Nationals LC- 12
T91 Nationals- 2

Game 3
Nationals LC- 13
Madlax- 2

Game 4
Nationals- 10
True Nat- 1

Originally Posted by Anonymous

USCL Rankings coming out this week..

My take on the top 10

1. Madlax(VA)
2. 91 Machine(NY)
3. Next Level(MD)
4. Hawks(MD)
5. TommyKnockers(CO)
6. WCS(CA)
7. Laxachusetts(Mass)
8. Nationals(USA)
9. Sweetlax(FLA)
10. PA Roughriders(PA)

Club nationals are taking place this weekend and Madlax won't be number #1 if they don't win it. So far, Nationals look like they should be at or near the top. Madlax is also losing more of the BLC players and some of last year's roster. It's looking like that move was very short-sighted.

Nationals destroyed Madlax today. It was ugly and could have been worse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

USCL Rankings coming out this week..

My take on the top 10

1. Madlax(VA)
2. 91 Machine(NY)
3. Next Level(MD)
4. Hawks(MD)
5. TommyKnockers(CO)
6. WCS(CA)
7. Laxachusetts(Mass)
8. Nationals(USA)
9. Sweetlax(FLA)
10. PA Roughriders(PA)

Club nationals are taking place this weekend and Madlax won't be number #1 if they don't win it. So far, Nationals look like they should be at or near the top. Madlax is also losing more of the BLC players and some of last year's roster. It's looking like that move was very short-sighted.

Nationals destroyed Madlax today. It was ugly and could have been worse.

Looks like they destroyed West Coast Starz too

Originally Posted by Anonymous

USCL Rankings coming out this week..

My take on the top 10

1. Madlax(VA)
2. 91 Machine(NY)
3. Next Level(MD)
4. Hawks(MD)
5. TommyKnockers(CO)
6. WCS(CA)
7. Laxachusetts(Mass)
8. Nationals(USA)
9. Sweetlax(FLA)
10. PA Roughriders(PA)

Club nationals are taking place this weekend and Madlax won't be number #1 if they don't win it. So far, Nationals look like they should be at or near the top. Madlax is also losing more of the BLC players and some of last year's roster. It's looking like that move was very short-sighted.

Nationals destroyed Madlax today. It was ugly and could have been worse.

Looks like they destroyed West Coast Starz too

With those kind of scores I have to question if the starters for these teams went.

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[/quote]With those kind of scores I have to question if the starters for these teams went.[quote]

Ridiculous. You play against the team that shows up. Madlax brought their best possible DC roster and even posted it on their site. Nationals are a true National team taking the best from teams like the Hawks and other regional teams. I don't know if USCL should rank them against clubs like ML and Hawks but they do.

1. Nationals
2. 91 Machine
3. MadLax
4. Laxachusetts
5. Next Level
6. HawksWCS(CA)
7. West Coast Stz
8. Tommyknockers
9. Sweetlax(FLA)
10. PA Roughriders(PA)

Perhaps the other team was just better.

I don't see where uscl ranks 2027 teams. The rankings on their website seem to stop at 2026. Also, from the looks of tourney machine it appears the "club nationals" in Florida only had 7 teams in it at this age group. Not much to go off of.

Nationals is a tournament team only... Not a true club team. ML is the capital team. You don't have Advanced from Northern Cali on your list. Great team with annoying parents. The ML Capital team went like 20-1 in the fall. It is truly a better team with all the BLC players. It will take time for the kids to mesh. Old and new Coaches still learning kids. Kids that might leave bc of playing will not be lost.

What does the number of teams present have to do with it?

One of the previous posts implied there was some type of important "Club National" event this weekend. It couldn't be that meaningful with 7 teams.

PA Roughriders combine with Mesa at big tournaments so it depends on what team shows up to how good they are.

In my opinion National teams should not be in club ranked with the local teams. Those rankings should be for teams made up of kids that are in 100 miles from home club. Love to hear an argument for this?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nationals is a tournament team only... Not a true club team. ML is the capital team. You don't have Advanced from Northern Cali on your list. Great team with annoying parents. The ML Capital team went like 20-1 in the fall. It is truly a better team with all the BLC players. It will take time for the kids to mesh. Old and new Coaches still learning kids. Kids that might leave bc of playing will not be lost.

Whatever. Sub Advanced for some west coast team then. Or do the same for True Illinois or a Carolina Team. The kids played so little the rankings will be a representation of the major clubs across the country with a little shuffling here and there.

US Club Lax Rankings hit the street today.

1. Team 91 Machine
2. Eclipse Black
3. MadLax Capital
4. SweetLax NY
5. NextLevel Blue
6. Hawks Green
7. Nationals L.C.
8. Express Haugen
9. Team 91 Rage
10. Aqua Hounds

Nice nod to the NY teams who are part of the USCL web site. I'm not sure why they didn't wait or take into account their own tournament this past weekend. Nationals should be #1 but they are a true national touring team and not a club. Madlax played a ton and only lost 2 games in the fall and winter. We'll see if they keep the roster together come spring and summer. The rest is a scramble and will sort itself out over spring and summer.

It seems pretty clear that Madlax, Next Level, and Hawks are the best three teams in this region. As between the MD/VA teams and the NY teams it’s tough to tell until they play this summer. Because there wasn’t much play between the regions this fall, the RPI style us club rankings don’t work as well to sort between regions. But if more play between different regions is allowed this summer, you’ll see more accurate rankings from the US Club rankings. Small sample size and lack of regional play and not a conspiracy between Team 91 and US Club account for the somewhat random rankings.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

US Club Lax Rankings hit the street today.

1. Team 91 Machine
2. Eclipse Black
3. MadLax Capital
4. SweetLax NY
5. NextLevel Blue
6. Hawks Green
7. Nationals L.C.
8. Express Haugen
9. Team 91 Rage
10. Aqua Hounds

Nationals rolled over everybody in Florida by big margins, including MadLax twice. Why are they not at or near #1?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It seems pretty clear that Madlax, Next Level, and Hawks are the best three teams in this region. As between the MD/VA teams and the NY teams it’s tough to tell until they play this summer. Because there wasn’t much play between the regions this fall, the RPI style us club rankings don’t work as well to sort between regions. But if more play between different regions is allowed this summer, you’ll see more accurate rankings from the US Club rankings. Small sample size and lack of regional play and not a conspiracy between Team 91 and US Club account for the somewhat random rankings.

Now that Lacrosse has expanded into other areas in area and country. Baltimore teams are becoming irrelevant and slowly moving to bottom of most ranking . Just a matter of time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

US Club Lax Rankings hit the street today.

1. Team 91 Machine
2. Eclipse Black
3. MadLax Capital
4. SweetLax NY
5. NextLevel Blue
6. Hawks Green
7. Nationals L.C.
8. Express Haugen
9. Team 91 Rage
10. Aqua Hounds

Nationals rolled over everybody in Florida by big margins, including MadLax twice. Why are they not at or near #1?

this ranking doesn't include this weekend, only the summer/fall- I agree with your assessment though, they are a clear #1 IMO.

Same with Long Island.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

US Club Lax Rankings hit the street today.

1. Team 91 Machine
2. Eclipse Black
3. MadLax Capital
4. SweetLax NY
5. NextLevel Blue
6. Hawks Green
7. Nationals L.C.
8. Express Haugen
9. Team 91 Rage
10. Aqua Hounds

Nationals rolled over everybody in Florida by big margins, including MadLax twice. Why are they not at or near #1?

I think it's fairly questionable if they were playing really strong talent. Some of those players were from teams that did not have a strong fall (FCA MD, Team 91 MD,...) so I would be very surprised if they could win over teams like Hawks Green.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In my opinion National teams should not be in club ranked with the local teams. Those rankings should be for teams made up of kids that are in 100 miles from home club. Love to hear an argument for this?

Everyone knows that the Hawks 27 team is the best in our area - if not the country. They beat NL and Madlax repeatedly in the past. Why rankings would be based on Fall is beyond me. The Hawks also destroyed 91 Machine last time they played. If I am not mistaken The Nationals had several (5 or so) Hawks with them last weekend. Pictures on SM verify that fact. I wasn't there, but my guess is that the Hawks had an impact.

Most recently, NextLevel beat Hawks twice, and MadLax beat NextLevel twice. All three are good teams, rightfully ranked top six in the nation. You are a bit of a homer of you think "everyone knows" that one of these teams is better than the other two.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In my opinion National teams should not be in club ranked with the local teams. Those rankings should be for teams made up of kids that are in 100 miles from home club. Love to hear an argument for this?

I think it's fairly questionable if they were playing really strong talent. Some of those players were from teams that did not have a strong fall (FCA MD, Team 91 MD,...) so I would be very surprised if they could win over teams like Hawks Green.

Everyone knows that the Hawks 27 team is the best in our area - if not the country. They beat NL and Madlax repeatedly in the past. Why rankings would be based on Fall is beyond me. The Hawks also destroyed 91 Machine last time they played. If I am not mistaken The Nationals had several (5 or so) Hawks with them last weekend. Pictures on SM verify that fact. I wasn't there, but my guess is that the Hawks had an impact.

its a ranking based on fall performance, thats it. Its fun for people to speculate, it gives them something to talk about, clearly.

There are 3 hawks on this team(1 F/O, 1 mid, 1 att), they contributed for sure, so did every other player on the squad that came from a different club outside of the Hawks. Believe it or not, there are very good players from other clubs, outside of Annapolis and across the country that can play at an extremely high level. Having seen the Nationals squad in every game this weekend and knowing the ML, NL and Hawks 2027 teams very well, including what what they have gained and lost every year, I am very confident that they would compete and likely beat every single team listed in this "top 20". Those who know, know. Dont discredit them until you have seen them, the outscored ML 20-6 in 2 games and beat WCS 10-2 who dismantled the sweetlax florida team, in their own backyard, 11-1. The squad was rolling and more importantly these kids have alot of fun playing together. They are creating awesome memories and lifelong friendships.

Didn't the Hawks lose 2x to NL this fall. And Madlax combined with BLC to form a really strong team. It's amazing what happens as kids grow up; get beyond grade school lacrosse; and rosters change a little. Not only did the Hawks lose 2x but the 3 best players from NL were on the sideline with casts on. I like how you are reaching back to 5th grade for the Hawks last significant win. You also forgot to mention Machine beat the Hawks the tournament prior.

But you are right about the Nationals in that they had the best player from the Hawks and a few more. I don't think the Nationals will be able to maintain such a roster as spring and summer progress unless Larry Hogan keeps sitting on his hands.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In my opinion National teams should not be in club ranked with the local teams. Those rankings should be for teams made up of kids that are in 100 miles from home club. Love to hear an argument for this?

Everyone knows that the Hawks 27 team is the best in our area - if not the country. They beat NL and Madlax repeatedly in the past. Why rankings would be based on Fall is beyond me. The Hawks also destroyed 91 Machine last time they played. If I am not mistaken The Nationals had several (5 or so) Hawks with them last weekend. Pictures on SM verify that fact. I wasn't there, but my guess is that the Hawks had an impact.

Hawks lost twice to Next Level this fall. And Next Level lost to Madlax. I think it’s clear those three teams are the best in the region. But it’s not at all clear that Hawks are the best anymore. Luckily it looks like will get games between these teams in the Spring and will have a better sense then.

Hawks was a legit team & Team 91 LI was the best team in 2019. 2020 was a poop show.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In my opinion National teams should not be in club ranked with the local teams. Those rankings should be for teams made up of kids that are in 100 miles from home club. Love to hear an argument for this?

Everyone knows that the Hawks 27 team is the best in our area - if not the country. They beat NL and Madlax repeatedly in the past. Why rankings would be based on Fall is beyond me. The Hawks also destroyed 91 Machine last time they played. If I am not mistaken The Nationals had several (5 or so) Hawks with them last weekend. Pictures on SM verify that fact. I wasn't there, but my guess is that the Hawks had an impact.

Hawks lost twice to Next Level this fall. And Next Level lost to Madlax. I think it’s clear those three teams are the best in the region. But it’s not at all clear that Hawks are the best anymore. Luckily it looks like will get games between these teams in the Spring and will have a better sense then.

I obviously struck a nerve with the Hawks haters. My son got cut from the Hawks and yet I still don't understand why everyone hates them so much. My son ended up on a B team and all I ever hear the "elite" team parents talk about is beating them. That is what I base my opinion of them being the best on, along with the games that I watch. Admittedly, I have not seen them (or NL/ML) play in quite some time so maybe NL has come that far. That said, I wouldn't be all that excited about two wins in the fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most recently, NextLevel beat Hawks twice, and MadLax beat NextLevel twice. All three are good teams, rightfully ranked top six in the nation. You are a bit of a homer of you think "everyone knows" that one of these teams is better than the other two.

And Next Level beat MadLax on ML's home field but NL did lose the last game without NL's 2 best players due to broken bones.

Hawks 27's just didn't play that much in the fall and didn't win when they did.

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I obviously struck a nerve with the Hawks haters. My son got cut from the Hawks and yet I still don't understand why everyone hates them so much. My son ended up on a B team and all I ever hear the "elite" team parents talk about is beating them. That is what I base my opinion of them being the best on, along with the games that I watch. Admittedly, I have not seen them (or NL/ML) play in quite some time so maybe NL has come that far. That said, I wouldn't be all that excited about two wins in the fall.[/quote]

It's because people like you come on a site after a goofy kid's poll and start talking about something you have no recent knowledge. Your kid got cut so you defend the Hawks. You haven't seen the other teams but based on what Hawks parents say, they are awesome. You have zero basis to even post and then insult those who prove you wrong. Move along.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks was a legit team & Team 91 LI was the best team in 2019. 2020 was a poop show.

Agree on the poop show. But Hawks were clearly better than 91 in 2019. Not really debatable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks was a legit team & Team 91 LI was the best team in 2019. 2020 was a poop show.

Agree on the poop show. But Hawks were clearly better than 91 in 2019. Not really debatable.

Great. In a 5 team poll, it's Nationals (2-0 v ML), Madlax (2-1 v NL), Next Level (2-0 v Hawks), Hawks (1-1 v Machine by a larger goal differential) and Machine. Are you satisfied Hawks kid/Mom?

Nationals doesn't count, but the next four look about right. MadLax, NextLevel, and Hawks will have great games in the months and years to come.

Nationals do count and their results could change as the spring and summer progresses. They might not have the same level of kids and their results will show. Let's see if Coach G can keep it up.

What other program is going to let their boys play in a tournament when they have practice and other games....ZERO...mark my work....Nationals are one and done!

Everyone with any common sense knows once Spring comes, Hawks will dominate. Not even close. Nationals might give them a run, but that is about it. Talent is talent people.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What other program is going to let their boys play in a tournament when they have practice and other games....ZERO...mark my work....Nationals are one and done!

There are a few "National" teams and "Regional" teams now and more starting up, they all generally compete before or after the regular club season. Trying not to interfere with the kids local team schedules.

They won't be one and done as for some kids it is a way to compete more than what is available in their local area and to be able to compete with a higher level of competition. Not everyone lives in a lax hot bed and the national and regional teams give those kids a chance to play.

With the way lax is growing around the country there will be a market for these teams for some time as different areas slowly build up their local lax communities.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What other program is going to let their boys play in a tournament when they have practice and other games....ZERO...mark my work....Nationals are one and done!

There are a few "National" teams and "Regional" teams now and more starting up, they all generally compete before or after the regular club season. Trying not to interfere with the kids local team schedules.

They won't be one and done as for some kids it is a way to compete more than what is available in their local area and to be able to compete with a higher level of competition. Not everyone lives in a lax hot bed and the national and regional teams give those kids a chance to play.

With the way lax is growing around the country there will be a market for these teams for some time as different areas slowly build up their local lax communities.

☝🏼Yep, nationals will be just fine.. they work hard to schedule around the conflicts as best they can, they always have. I promise you they will not be one and done. believe me folks, excellent lacrosse exists outside of the DMV and Annapolis.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Everyone with any common sense knows once Spring comes, Hawks will dominate. Not even close. Nationals might give them a run, but that is about it. Talent is talent people.

Well, then it appears that I lack common sense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What other program is going to let their boys play in a tournament when they have practice and other games....ZERO...mark my work....Nationals are one and done!

There are a few "National" teams and "Regional" teams now and more starting up, they all generally compete before or after the regular club season. Trying not to interfere with the kids local team schedules.

They won't be one and done as for some kids it is a way to compete more than what is available in their local area and to be able to compete with a higher level of competition. Not everyone lives in a lax hot bed and the national and regional teams give those kids a chance to play.

With the way lax is growing around the country there will be a market for these teams for some time as different areas slowly build up their local lax communities.

☝🏼Yep, nationals will be just fine.. they work hard to schedule around the conflicts as best they can, they always have. I promise you they will not be one and done. believe me folks, excellent lacrosse exists outside of the DMV and Annapolis.

Just curious, what is the story on Nationals? Who runs it, where do they get their players from, when do they practice, etc. Parents I spoke with on the sidelines all seemed to be from Baltimore or Annapolis. Is it mainly a DC/Baltimore/AA all star team with a couple Texas, etc. players sprinkled in, or is it a real national team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What other program is going to let their boys play in a tournament when they have practice and other games....ZERO...mark my work....Nationals are one and done!

There are a few "National" teams and "Regional" teams now and more starting up, they all generally compete before or after the regular club season. Trying not to interfere with the kids local team schedules.

They won't be one and done as for some kids it is a way to compete more than what is available in their local area and to be able to compete with a higher level of competition. Not everyone lives in a lax hot bed and the national and regional teams give those kids a chance to play.

With the way lax is growing around the country there will be a market for these teams for some time as different areas slowly build up their local lax communities.

☝🏼Yep, nationals will be just fine.. they work hard to schedule around the conflicts as best they can, they always have. I promise you they will not be one and done. believe me folks, excellent lacrosse exists outside of the DMV and Annapolis.

Just curious, what is the story on Nationals? Who runs it, where do they get their players from, when do they practice, etc. Parents I spoke with on the sidelines all seemed to be from Baltimore or Annapolis. Is it mainly a DC/Baltimore/AA all star team with a couple Texas, etc. players sprinkled in, or is it a real national team?

Real National Team. The best players are from TX, PA, and Alabama. Couple of Baltimore guys but the Annapolis guys are just depth added as needed.

So this is when it all goes down hill apparently - rankings. The fall rankings really shouldn't take up this much space. NL is a great team and yes they beat the Hawks in 2 20 minute running clock games. This is why they are ranked higher. I think all the teams are good teams with kids who hopefully love the sport. Let's not get too excited about it and hope that we have a somewhat normal spring season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Everyone with any common sense knows once Spring comes, Hawks will dominate. Not even close. Nationals might give them a run, but that is about it. Talent is talent people.

Well, then it appears that I lack common sense.

Shoe Fits perfect !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So this is when it all goes down hill apparently - rankings. The fall rankings really shouldn't take up this much space. NL is a great team and yes they beat the Hawks in 2 20 minute running clock games. This is why they are ranked higher. I think all the teams are good teams with kids who hopefully love the sport. Let's not get too excited about it and hope that we have a somewhat normal spring season.

Correction: 1 regular 40 minute game and 1 game at 20 minutes.

Who cares. These are 6th graders, get a life.

Hawks, Madlax, and Next Level are all very good. Who is best will be settled this spring. Question is who is next best in the area. FCA next best? Crabs?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares. These are 6th graders, get a life.

I think the kids who play care and I think you care enough to come on the site and post.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares. These are 6th graders, get a life.

Sorry your son isnt playing on an elite team. Have him Hit The Wall !! always next year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks, Madlax, and Next Level are all very good. Who is best will be settled this spring. Question is who is next best in the area. FCA next best? Crabs?

Crabs had a rough fall. Think there's a lot of changes in their roster. I think it's race to see if BLC, Crabs, TEam 91 and FCA can get up to that level.

Nationals are formerly part of The Duke's LC in PA. They are run by Lou G. All you need to know about this guy is he got run out of Philly and Ebe the Duke's owner got an injunction to keep him from using the Duke's name so now its just "Nationals". Go check out the Duke's thread on the PA board or this announcement from Duke's LC: https://www.thedukeslacrosse.com/current-announcements/

Ha! Now that is an interesting read. Nationals did some shady stuff with their roster in Florida, so I guess that is the type of thing Dukes was talking about.

Team Md

Team Md should be included in the next best! Played NL very tough this Fall in a scrimmage like 9-6 or something and played the Hawks tough last summer in young guns final. They beat FCA and Team 91 in close games this Fall. They need some depth but have a strong group of core players.

Team MD is good but need to at least play in the top division of HoCo. They will also need to play in better tournaments to get anywhere near the top 20. If they do both those things and win they might see enough rpi to get close. Right now, they have the run of any kid who is half decent from Frederick to Hagerstown.

Agree about Team MD deserves to be in the same ballpark as MadLax, NextLevel, and Hawks. I believe that this summer they beat MadLax, or at least played them close.

They ended up being ranked 16th. I believe they have played in the NAL one of the top tournaments around for last couple years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ha! Now that is an interesting read. Nationals did some shady stuff with their roster in Florida, so I guess that is the type of thing Dukes was talking about.

☝🏼Ha, you know nothing. My son is on this team, you know nothing about them or their roster.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team Md should be included in the next best! Played NL very tough this Fall in a scrimmage like 9-6 or something and played the Hawks tough last summer in young guns final. They beat FCA and Team 91 in close games this Fall. They need some depth but have a strong group of core players.

Team MD is definitely on the right path, right now they lack the depth of the top 3 but are surely closing the gap.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ha! Now that is an interesting read. Nationals did some shady stuff with their roster in Florida, so I guess that is the type of thing Dukes was talking about.

☝🏼Ha, you know nothing. My son is on this team, you know nothing about them or their roster.

Everyone in the know, knows what they did..shaky shaky

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They ended up being ranked 16th. I believe they have played in the NAL one of the top tournaments around for last couple years.

Who?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team Md should be included in the next best! Played NL very tough this Fall in a scrimmage like 9-6 or something and played the Hawks tough last summer in young guns final. They beat FCA and Team 91 in close games this Fall. They need some depth but have a strong group of core players.

Team MD is definitely on the right path, right now they lack the depth of the top 3 but are surely closing the gap.

TMD isn't even close yet. They played ML close but ML has combined with BLC's former A team and they aren't the same team. They played NL and it was 11-6 and NL's best players were in casts and NL treated it like a scrimmage. Like someone else said, play in elite MoCo and see how this summer plays out and maybe you'll crack the top 20.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ha! Now that is an interesting read. Nationals did some shady stuff with their roster in Florida, so I guess that is the type of thing Dukes was talking about.

☝🏼Ha, you know nothing. My son is on this team, you know nothing about them or their roster.

I do know that in Orlando a boy played on a different team, and then an hour later suited up and played for Nationals. Opposing kids and coaches noticed easily because the player scored multiple goals. It was reported to the organizers and there was discussion about disqualifying both teams.

If you or any Nationals do parents know the circumstances (maybe the player was rostered for Nationals and was "borrowed" by the other team), please go ahead and share.

What a devious plot to ascend to the top of a mighty 6th grade money grab event.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team Md should be included in the next best! Played NL very tough this Fall in a scrimmage like 9-6 or something and played the Hawks tough last summer in young guns final. They beat FCA and Team 91 in close games this Fall. They need some depth but have a strong group of core players.

Team MD is definitely on the right path, right now they lack the depth of the top 3 but are surely closing the gap.

TMD isn't even close yet. They played ML close but ML has combined with BLC's former A team and they aren't the same team. They played NL and it was 11-6 and NL's best players were in casts and NL treated it like a scrimmage. Like someone else said, play in elite MoCo and see how this summer plays out and maybe you'll crack the top 20.

TMD lost to the New ML 0-9 in the Fall. Looong way to go.

Bragging about a 6th grade team that got better because they poached another programs players? Congratulations!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What a devious plot to ascend to the top of a mighty 6th grade money grab event.

You can laugh it off, but the Nationals parents on the sidelines weren't laughing about spending all that money to be called cheaters. Opposing team parents weren't laughing either.

Almost every kid on the Nationals has a day job with another team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Almost every kid on the Nationals has a day job with another team.

Of course they do, but they can't play for two teams in the same event.

Funny how madlax parents complaining about double fostering. Madlax has been caught doing it this fall with theirc27's.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bragging about a 6th grade team that got better because they poached another programs players? Congratulations!

I am not sure if poach is the right word. A group of players and a coach were unhappy so they changed programs. Happens all the time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Almost every kid on the Nationals has a day job with another team.

Of course they do, but they can't play for two teams in the same event.

Dude, quit crying already. We beat you fair and square both times- same roster, same kids, same result. Again, you don’t know what you’re talking about. Move on, focus on winning HoCo- you guys have a good squad and are the team to beat right now!

Here's your participation trophy, now go hit the wall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Almost every kid on the Nationals has a day job with another team.

Of course they do, but they can't play for two teams in the same event.

Why can't they play for two different age groups? This happens ALL the time and is usually addressed in tournament rules (typically the rules state that a player can play in different age groups but not two teams from the same age group). Kids come in from all over the country. Let them play as much as they want - if they can compete at the older age group then good for them. Show me in the rules where it says this cannot be done?
https://cdn3.sportngin.com/attachme...824529216.1610372175-45157976.1610372175

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Almost every kid on the Nationals has a day job with another team.

Of course they do, but they can't play for two teams in the same event.

Why can't they play for two different age groups? This happens ALL the time and is usually addressed in tournament rules (typically the rules state that a player can play in different age groups but not two teams from the same age group). Kids come in from all over the country. Let them play as much as they want - if they can compete at the older age group then good for them. Show me in the rules where it says this cannot be done?
https://cdn3.sportngin.com/attachme...824529216.1610372175-45157976.1610372175

If the tourney did not have it stated in their rules, as alot of tournaments do, then that would be why there was a discussion to disqualify both teams but they ended up doing nothing. In that case they played by the rules even if other tournaments would not have allowed it. Next year they may add that to the rules.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Almost every kid on the Nationals has a day job with another team.

Of course they do, but they can't play for two teams in the same event.

Why can't they play for two different age groups? This happens ALL the time and is usually addressed in tournament rules (typically the rules state that a player can play in different age groups but not two teams from the same age group). Kids come in from all over the country. Let them play as much as they want - if they can compete at the older age group then good for them. Show me in the rules where it says this cannot be done?
https://cdn3.sportngin.com/attachme...824529216.1610372175-45157976.1610372175

Madlax doesn't mention the roster rules because they have done it so many times in the past and wanted the option for themselves.

Okay Nats parents, here is a chance to clear your name. One boy played for 3D, and then for Nationals, in the same bracket on the same day. It's on game film and nobody from Nats denied it. So which team was he rostered on? If he was rostered on Nats but played for the other team without telling his coaches, then it's difficult to blame the Nats for that. Go ahead and explain the facts. But if you keep misdirecting and name-calling ("hit the wall," "stop crying," "everybody else does it," "you don't know what your taking about") it makes people think that you broke the rules deliberately and have no explanation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Almost every kid on the Nationals has a day job with another team.

Of course they do, but they can't play for two teams in the same event.

Why can't they play for two different age groups? This happens ALL the time and is usually addressed in tournament rules (typically the rules state that a player can play in different age groups but not two teams from the same age group). Kids come in from all over the country. Let them play as much as they want - if they can compete at the older age group then good for them. Show me in the rules where it says this cannot be done?
https://cdn3.sportngin.com/attachme...824529216.1610372175-45157976.1610372175

Madlax doesn't mention the roster rules because they have done it so many times in the past and wanted the option for themselves.

SE also incorrectly recorded the score of the Nationals-ML prelim game as 12-2, instead of the actual score of 13-2. This kept WCS out of the championship and let ML in on acct of tiebreaker rules(WCS and ML did not play eachother)

had it been scored correctly, WCS would have gotten the nod by 1point- instead it went to a 3rd tie breaker where ML had the advantage.

super suspect.........

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Okay Nats parents, here is a chance to clear your name. One boy played for 3D, and then for Nationals, in the same bracket on the same day. It's on game film and nobody from Nats denied it. So which team was he rostered on? If he was rostered on Nats but played for the other team without telling his coaches, then it's difficult to blame the Nats for that. Go ahead and explain the facts. But if you keep misdirecting and name-calling ("hit the wall," "stop crying," "everybody else does it," "you don't know what your taking about") it makes people think that you broke the rules deliberately and have no explanation.

Completely false.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Almost every kid on the Nationals has a day job with another team.

Of course they do, but they can't play for two teams in the same event.

Why can't they play for two different age groups? This happens ALL the time and is usually addressed in tournament rules (typically the rules state that a player can play in different age groups but not two teams from the same age group). Kids come in from all over the country. Let them play as much as they want - if they can compete at the older age group then good for them. Show me in the rules where it says this cannot be done?
https://cdn3.sportngin.com/attachme...824529216.1610372175-45157976.1610372175

Madlax doesn't mention the roster rules because they have done it so many times in the past and wanted the option for themselves.

SE also incorrectly recorded the score of the Nationals-ML prelim game as 12-2, instead of the actual score of 13-2. This kept WCS out of the championship and let ML in on acct of tiebreaker rules(WCS and ML did not play eachother)

had it been scored correctly, WCS would have gotten the nod by 1point- instead it went to a 3rd tie breaker where ML had the advantage.

super suspect.........

8 goal max on tiebreaker rule

I don't have a dog in this fight, honestly, and I am not the clown saying "hit the wall, etc". However, I have to ask, are you seriously this worried about a 6th grader playing on multiple teams in a money grab, meaningless event in Florida? Seriously? With all we have going on in this country and you are wound up about the prospects of a family breaking a lacrosse tournament rule. Reviewing videos?

And that kid was paul Rabil. He didnt even try to hide it with the full beard and 99.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Okay Nats parents, here is a chance to clear your name. One boy played for 3D, and then for Nationals, in the same bracket on the same day. It's on game film and nobody from Nats denied it. So which team was he rostered on? If he was rostered on Nats but played for the other team without telling his coaches, then it's difficult to blame the Nats for that. Go ahead and explain the facts. But if you keep misdirecting and name-calling ("hit the wall," "stop crying," "everybody else does it," "you don't know what your taking about") it makes people think that you broke the rules deliberately and have no explanation.

Are you still mad about ML being caught cheating at Hershey and Hoco? Too late to do anything now on an anonymous forum from a tournament where the rule is omitted so ML could try again but possibly had it used against them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Almost every kid on the Nationals has a day job with another team.

Of course they do, but they can't play for two teams in the same event.

Why can't they play for two different age groups? This happens ALL the time and is usually addressed in tournament rules (typically the rules state that a player can play in different age groups but not two teams from the same age group). Kids come in from all over the country. Let them play as much as they want - if they can compete at the older age group then good for them. Show me in the rules where it says this cannot be done?
https://cdn3.sportngin.com/attachme...824529216.1610372175-45157976.1610372175

Madlax doesn't mention the roster rules because they have done it so many times in the past and wanted the option for themselves.

SE also incorrectly recorded the score of the Nationals-ML prelim game as 12-2, instead of the actual score of 13-2. This kept WCS out of the championship and let ML in on acct of tiebreaker rules(WCS and ML did not play eachother)

had it been scored correctly, WCS would have gotten the nod by 1point- instead it went to a 3rd tie breaker where ML had the advantage.

super suspect.........

8 goal max on tiebreaker rule

I’m not talking GD(that was suspiciously capped at 7)- I’m talking GA against common opponents. WCS and ML did not play head to head. If the score had been recorded correctly, WCS, not ML would have played in the championship game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Okay Nats parents, here is a chance to clear your name. One boy played for 3D, and then for Nationals, in the same bracket on the same day. It's on game film and nobody from Nats denied it. So which team was he rostered on? If he was rostered on Nats but played for the other team without telling his coaches, then it's difficult to blame the Nats for that. Go ahead and explain the facts. But if you keep misdirecting and name-calling ("hit the wall," "stop crying," "everybody else does it," "you don't know what your taking about") it makes people think that you broke the rules deliberately and have no explanation.

Completely false

That said- if you’d like to see all 5 game tapes from NLV, you will see the same players playing for Nats every, single game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And that kid was paul Rabil. He didnt even try to hide it with the full beard and 99.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Okay Nats parents, here is a chance to clear your name. One boy played for 3D, and then for Nationals, in the same bracket on the same day. It's on game film and nobody from Nats denied it. So which team was he rostered on? If he was rostered on Nats but played for the other team without telling his coaches, then it's difficult to blame the Nats for that. Go ahead and explain the facts. But if you keep misdirecting and name-calling ("hit the wall," "stop crying," "everybody else does it," "you don't know what your taking about") it makes people think that you broke the rules deliberately and have no explanation.

Are you still mad about ML being caught cheating at Hershey and Hoco? Too late to do anything now on an anonymous forum from a tournament where the rule is omitted so ML could try again but possibly had it used against them.

Not mad at all, because I had a son on an opposing team in Hershey and I was happy to see MadLax get caught. You make an excellent observation as to why MadLax maybe was reluctant to DQ the Nationals from the Orlando event. But now everybody knows what Nationals did and hopefully they will refrain from cheating in the future!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't have a dog in this fight, honestly, and I am not the clown saying "hit the wall, etc". However, I have to ask, are you seriously this worried about a 6th grader playing on multiple teams in a money grab, meaningless event in Florida? Seriously? With all we have going on in this country and you are wound up about the prospects of a family breaking a lacrosse tournament rule. Reviewing videos?

LOL I have no dog in the fight either, but most people (including you) do not take a vacation from BOTC due to world events. Actually just the opposite, it is a nice escape. I can assure you that both sides on this debate are very serious. Nobody likes a cheater, and nobody likes to be called one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Okay Nats parents, here is a chance to clear your name. One boy played for 3D, and then for Nationals, in the same bracket on the same day. It's on game film and nobody from Nats denied it. So which team was he rostered on? If he was rostered on Nats but played for the other team without telling his coaches, then it's difficult to blame the Nats for that. Go ahead and explain the facts. But if you keep misdirecting and name-calling ("hit the wall," "stop crying," "everybody else does it," "you don't know what your taking about") it makes people think that you broke the rules deliberately and have no explanation.

Are you really crying foul over 1 kid from a team with 1 win in the tournament where 3d scored all of 15 goals in 5 games. Did that kid single handedly beat Madlax by 14 goals over 2 games. If it was anybody else but ML posting this, I'd say it was a total troll but that's why Madlax has the rep. They cheat like crazy all the time and invent reasons when they lose (and lose badly).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And that kid was paul Rabil. He didnt even try to hide it with the full beard and 99.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Okay Nats parents, here is a chance to clear your name. One boy played for 3D, and then for Nationals, in the same bracket on the same day. It's on game film and nobody from Nats denied it. So which team was he rostered on? If he was rostered on Nats but played for the other team without telling his coaches, then it's difficult to blame the Nats for that. Go ahead and explain the facts. But if you keep misdirecting and name-calling ("hit the wall," "stop crying," "everybody else does it," "you don't know what your taking about") it makes people think that you broke the rules deliberately and have no explanation.

Are you still mad about ML being caught cheating at Hershey and Hoco? Too late to do anything now on an anonymous forum from a tournament where the rule is omitted so ML could try again but possibly had it used against them.

Not mad at all, because I had a son on an opposing team in Hershey and I was happy to see MadLax get caught. You make an excellent observation as to why MadLax maybe was reluctant to DQ the Nationals from the Orlando event. But now everybody knows what Nationals did and hopefully they will refrain from cheating in the future!

I’m still confused as to how you think nationals cheated lol. We literally played every minute of every game with our own roster. What am I missing here?

For what’s it’s worth our roster was certified by the tournament partners, all rosters were, before and after.

Sounds like your problem should be with 3D- which you are clearly speculating, for borrowing a player for a game? - I have no clue about that from a nats perspective and you cannot provide a name, number, description, etc of said player to even support your arguement

Again- you don’t know anything about our team, stick to
Your own.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And that kid was paul Rabil. He didnt even try to hide it with the full beard and 99.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Okay Nats parents, here is a chance to clear your name. One boy played for 3D, and then for Nationals, in the same bracket on the same day. It's on game film and nobody from Nats denied it. So which team was he rostered on? If he was rostered on Nats but played for the other team without telling his coaches, then it's difficult to blame the Nats for that. Go ahead and explain the facts. But if you keep misdirecting and name-calling ("hit the wall," "stop crying," "everybody else does it," "you don't know what your taking about") it makes people think that you broke the rules deliberately and have no explanation.

Are you still mad about ML being caught cheating at Hershey and Hoco? Too late to do anything now on an anonymous forum from a tournament where the rule is omitted so ML could try again but possibly had it used against them.

Not mad at all, because I had a son on an opposing team in Hershey and I was happy to see MadLax get caught. You make an excellent observation as to why MadLax maybe was reluctant to DQ the Nationals from the Orlando event. But now everybody knows what Nationals did and hopefully they will refrain from cheating in the future!

So now you're saying you just happened to be in Hershey where Madlax was dq'd; happen to be in Florida where you happen to watch the worst team in the tourney, 3D, where you really scouted their players. Then you stuck around to watch the finals of 2 teams your kid didn't play for and noticed a kid from the the worst team in the tournament dominate. Dig that hole a little deeper Madlax mom.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And that kid was paul Rabil. He didnt even try to hide it with the full beard and 99.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Okay Nats parents, here is a chance to clear your name. One boy played for 3D, and then for Nationals, in the same bracket on the same day. It's on game film and nobody from Nats denied it. So which team was he rostered on? If he was rostered on Nats but played for the other team without telling his coaches, then it's difficult to blame the Nats for that. Go ahead and explain the facts. But if you keep misdirecting and name-calling ("hit the wall," "stop crying," "everybody else does it," "you don't know what your taking about") it makes people think that you broke the rules deliberately and have no explanation.

Are you still mad about ML being caught cheating at Hershey and Hoco? Too late to do anything now on an anonymous forum from a tournament where the rule is omitted so ML could try again but possibly had it used against them.

Not mad at all, because I had a son on an opposing team in Hershey and I was happy to see MadLax get caught. You make an excellent observation as to why MadLax maybe was reluctant to DQ the Nationals from the Orlando event. But now everybody knows what Nationals did and hopefully they will refrain from cheating in the future!

So now you're saying you just happened to be in Hershey where Madlax was dq'd; happen to be in Florida where you happen to watch the worst team in the tourney, 3D, where you really scouted their players. Then you stuck around to watch the finals of 2 teams your kid didn't play for and noticed a kid from the the worst team in the tournament dominate. Dig that hole a little deeper Madlax mom.

🔥🔥🔥

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't have a dog in this fight, honestly, and I am not the clown saying "hit the wall, etc". However, I have to ask, are you seriously this worried about a 6th grader playing on multiple teams in a money grab, meaningless event in Florida? Seriously? With all we have going on in this country and you are wound up about the prospects of a family breaking a lacrosse tournament rule. Reviewing videos?

You seem to be concerned more than most...Now " Hit The Wall"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And that kid was paul Rabil. He didnt even try to hide it with the full beard and 99. Okay Nats parents, here is a chance to clear your name. One boy played for 3D, and then for Nationals, in the same bracket on the same day. It's on game film and nobody from Nats denied it. So which team was he rostered on? If he was rostered on Nats but played for the other team without telling his coaches, then it's difficult to blame the Nats for that. Go ahead and explain the facts. But if you keep misdirecting and name-calling ("hit the wall," "stop crying," "everybody else does it," "you don't know what your taking about") it makes people think that you broke the rules deliberately and have no explanation.

Are you still mad about ML being caught cheating at Hershey and Hoco? Too late to do anything now on an anonymous forum from a tournament where the rule is omitted so ML could try again but possibly had it used against them.

Not mad at all, because I had a son on an opposing team in Hershey and I was happy to see MadLax get caught. You make an excellent observation as to why MadLax maybe was reluctant to DQ the Nationals from the Orlando event. But now everybody knows what Nationals did and hopefully they will refrain from cheating in the future!

So now you're saying you just happened to be in Hershey where Madlax was dq'd; happen to be in Florida where you happen to watch the worst team in the tourney, 3D, where you really scouted their players. Then you stuck around to watch the finals of 2 teams your kid didn't play for and noticed a kid from the the worst team in the tournament dominate. Dig that hole a little deeper Madlax mom.

What is wrong with that?? Guy loves lacrosse , even at the 6th grade level.

Review the Abraham Zapruder film.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Okay Nats parents, here is a chance to clear your name. One boy played for 3D, and then for Nationals, in the same bracket on the same day. It's on game film and nobody from Nats denied it. So which team was he rostered on? If he was rostered on Nats but played for the other team without telling his coaches, then it's difficult to blame the Nats for that. Go ahead and explain the facts. But if you keep misdirecting and name-calling ("hit the wall," "stop crying," "everybody else does it," "you don't know what your taking about") it makes people think that you broke the rules deliberately and have no explanation.

Are you really crying foul over 1 kid from a team with 1 win in the tournament where 3d scored all of 15 goals in 5 games. Did that kid single handedly beat Madlax by 14 goals over 2 games. If it was anybody else but ML posting this, I'd say it was a total troll but that's why Madlax has the rep. They cheat like crazy all the time and invent reasons when they lose (and lose badly).

Falsus in uno, falsus in ombnibus.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Okay Nats parents, here is a chance to clear your name. One boy played for 3D, and then for Nationals, in the same bracket on the same day. It's on game film and nobody from Nats denied it. So which team was he rostered on? If he was rostered on Nats but played for the other team without telling his coaches, then it's difficult to blame the Nats for that. Go ahead and explain the facts. But if you keep misdirecting and name-calling ("hit the wall," "stop crying," "everybody else does it," "you don't know what your taking about") it makes people think that you broke the rules deliberately and have no explanation.

Are you really crying foul over 1 kid from a team with 1 win in the tournament where 3d scored all of 15 goals in 5 games. Did that kid single handedly beat Madlax by 14 goals over 2 games. If it was anybody else but ML posting this, I'd say it was a total troll but that's why Madlax has the rep. They cheat like crazy all the time and invent reasons when they lose (and lose badly).

Falsus in uno, falsus in ombnibus.

I honestly can't imagine what the home life of a kid on Nationals must be. T-shirt chasing on steroids in 6th grade? Seriously toxic. Most of these kids are going to be ripping a 6fter (not a lacrosse reference) within two years just to deal with their knucklehead parents. Congrats for finding 12-15 other studs from across the united states who have the same insecurities and forming a team for the weekend with the hope of maybe getting some wins against a real team or more likely piling up huge differentials on regular teams where the kids are probably playing pokeman in between games. Super Job guys. That being said, I'll save you hassle and just tell myself (a) i'm only mad because my kid can't make nationals and (b) i'll take him out back to hit the wall and try again next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Okay Nats parents, here is a chance to clear your name. One boy played for 3D, and then for Nationals, in the same bracket on the same day. It's on game film and nobody from Nats denied it. So which team was he rostered on? If he was rostered on Nats but played for the other team without telling his coaches, then it's difficult to blame the Nats for that. Go ahead and explain the facts. But if you keep misdirecting and name-calling ("hit the wall," "stop crying," "everybody else does it," "you don't know what your taking about") it makes people think that you broke the rules deliberately and have no explanation.

Are you really crying foul over 1 kid from a team with 1 win in the tournament where 3d scored all of 15 goals in 5 games. Did that kid single handedly beat Madlax by 14 goals over 2 games. If it was anybody else but ML posting this, I'd say it was a total troll but that's why Madlax has the rep. They cheat like crazy all the time and invent reasons when they lose (and lose badly).

Falsus in uno, falsus in ombnibus.

I honestly can't imagine what the home life of a kid on Nationals must be. T-shirt chasing on steroids in 6th grade? Seriously toxic. Most of these kids are going to be ripping a 6fter (not a lacrosse reference) within two years just to deal with their knucklehead parents. Congrats for finding 12-15 other studs from across the united states who have the same insecurities and forming a team for the weekend with the hope of maybe getting some wins against a real team or more likely piling up huge differentials on regular teams where the kids are probably playing pokeman in between games. Super Job guys. That being said, I'll save you hassle and just tell myself (a) i'm only mad because my kid can't make nationals and (b) i'll take him out back to hit the wall and try again next year.

Wow ,,For once, a parent gets it right away why he is mad and how to resolve the issues effecting him. Well done, I would add you are jealous and envious too. Keep it real.

I get why a stud player from Colorado, Texas, Alabama would want to be on Nationals. But what does an aggregated team like this accomplish for a kid already in an elite program like Hawks or 91?

This is 6th grade lacrosse. Get a grip.

The father gets to relive his life, you know why.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is 6th grade lacrosse. Get a grip.

Why?? 6th grade is where it starts. Get on elite team. Train with small groups and personal trainers. Your son will be left behind without it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is 6th grade lacrosse. Get a grip.

Why?? 6th grade is where it starts. Get on elite team. Train with small groups and personal trainers. Your son will be left behind without it.

Left behind? as in "no child left behind"? I certainly wouldn't want you behind me, if you catch my drift. You know. But I digress (see what I did there. I am clever)
Are we still talking about Nationals? Because they don't train. It's merely an ego grab for the Mom's and Dad's out there who for some reason need to say little Bobby is on a national lacrosse team. As if that means anything. When PLL teams start having more twitter followers than say WNBA teams, then maybe being on a national lacrosse team will prove to Cindy down the street that Bobby is gonna make something of himself. meanwhile little Bobby just wants to lock his door, block out his jag off parents, surf the dirty sites on the internet and exercise the demons.

For Nationals, buyer Beware. If you want your son to play with Nationals (and he can make the cut), go for it. Just do your research on this organization and it's proprietor before sending over the payment.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I get why a stud player from Colorado, Texas, Alabama would want to be on Nationals. But what does an aggregated team like this accomplish for a kid already in an elite program like Hawks or 91?

Maybe the kids just want to play more lacrosse... Why does it have to be more than that?

Just some extra off season reps. Okay, got it.

with tryouts for nationals being held every month, how does the roster work? Does it just grow larger every month?

They aren't relevant at any other age level, and won't be at the 2027 grade year when things get serious.

That’s odd. Why are we talking about them? It’s because they are quickly becoming relevant. Clearly they are ruffling feathers with roster selection.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They aren't relevant at any other age level, and won't be at the 2027 grade year when things get serious.

Funny they are talking about Nationals in the Northeast forum too. Yikes. It’s a revolution. Lax ain’t all about Baltimore anymore boys. Texas ain’t all steers and queers anymore baby. We got laxers pumping out of there!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They aren't relevant at any other age level, and won't be at the 2027 grade year when things get serious.

Funny they are talking about Nationals in the Northeast forum too. Yikes. It’s a revolution. Lax ain’t all about Baltimore anymore boys. Texas ain’t all steers and queers anymore baby. We got laxers pumping out of there!!!!

Cheaters too!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They aren't relevant at any other age level, and won't be at the 2027 grade year when things get serious.

Funny they are talking about Nationals in the Northeast forum too. Yikes. It’s a revolution. Lax ain’t all about Baltimore anymore boys. Texas ain’t all steers and queers anymore baby. We got laxers pumping out of there!!!!

Its not Baltimore kids that play for the old Duke's Nationals because they all got wise to G's grift. As soon as the Texas families take it in the poop shoot they'll bail to, sending G's pyramid scheme back to obscurity.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They aren't relevant at any other age level, and won't be at the 2027 grade year when things get serious.

Funny they are talking about Nationals in the Northeast forum too. Yikes. It’s a revolution. Lax ain’t all about Baltimore anymore boys. Texas ain’t all steers and queers anymore baby. We got laxers pumping out of there!!!!

Its not Baltimore kids that play for the old Duke's Nationals because they all got wise to G's grift. As soon as the Texas families take it in the poop shoot they'll bail to, sending G's pyramid scheme back to obscurity.

Pyramid scheme is best description I've heard. Monthly tryouts = monthly infusions of cash to keep G in that Escalade.

I don't know who this guy G is, but he is a clever businessman. I now have been exposed to Nationals parents and there is a definite ladder climbing attitude, "my kid is already on the Hawks but I need to pay more so I can say he is even better." So kudo's to G for finding a way to profit from those insecurities. Capitalism at its finest.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't know who this guy G is, but he is a clever businessman. I now have been exposed to Nationals parents and there is a definite ladder climbing attitude, "my kid is already on the Hawks but I need to pay more so I can say he is even better." So kudo's to G for finding a way to profit from those insecurities. Capitalism at its finest.

Haha! Don't assume they all pay. Like when Duke's was winning games, the best kids play for free while the rostered kids pay into the scheme.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't know who this guy G is, but he is a clever businessman. I now have been exposed to Nationals parents and there is a definite ladder climbing attitude, "my kid is already on the Hawks but I need to pay more so I can say he is even better." So kudo's to G for finding a way to profit from those insecurities. Capitalism at its finest.

There was a demand in the marketplace, and G filled it. Totally spot on this being an organization for the ladder climbing parents. I know several who listened to G pitch and saw visions of D1 scholarships flowing their way. Sadly, they were all well aware of the shady side of things, but went along with it anyway. only to have the club be ejected from Dukes...

Just for Fun, here is the interview with dukes regarding what the heck happened. Amazing that this guy can still get parents to sign up with this kind of info out there. But hey, not G's problem.

Q : If this Duke's National's Regional Program was Terminated, can you be more Specific about why and what the Problems were that you Encountered to force this Termination?

A : Where do I start. Let me be brief and just respond to the specifics of so many of your phone calls, emails, Blogs and the many Complaints from Events, Tournaments, Hotels, Many, many Vendors; Facility's, College Coaches, Other Club Coaches and Programs; Duke's Coaches and most Importantly Player's and Parents.
It frankly just became to Difficult to Explain and Navigate thru these Inconsistencies and Complaints that demanded Responsible Replies and Answers to all these Entities.
Additionally, with the Failure to Respond to a Primary Mandate; the lack of Respect for the History of who Duke's Lacrosse Club is and what it Represents just could No longer be Overlooked, Ignored or Compromised .
Bottom line, Our Integrity as a Program was at stake and having to Continuously Field all of these Complaints about a Total lack of Transparency; a Total Lack of Effective Communications; Ongoing Money Issues and so much more that so many of you Commented on simply didnt allow us to Continue with this Duke's National's Program under the Duke's Lacrosse Club's Name.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't know who this guy G is, but he is a clever businessman. I now have been exposed to Nationals parents and there is a definite ladder climbing attitude, "my kid is already on the Hawks but I need to pay more so I can say he is even better." So kudo's to G for finding a way to profit from those insecurities. Capitalism at its finest.

Haha! Don't assume they all pay. Like when Duke's was winning games, the best kids play for free while the rostered kids pay into the scheme.

Awesome. My last post must have been censored by the moderator. basically I just copied and pasted Eb Helms Q/A about what happened to the Duke's National team. classic stuff. you guys want to ditch BOTC and head over to Parler? I'm pretty sure this post will not get through the mod anyway.

Maybe you should stop spending so much energy on this club and move on.

Amen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Amen.

Right we can all agree hawks stink

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't know who this guy G is, but he is a clever businessman. I now have been exposed to Nationals parents and there is a definite ladder climbing attitude, "my kid is already on the Hawks but I need to pay more so I can say he is even better." So kudo's to G for finding a way to profit from those insecurities. Capitalism at its finest.

Haha! Don't assume they all pay. Like when Duke's was winning games, the best kids play for free while the rostered kids pay into the scheme.

And several of those kids are holdbacks or currently play on 2026 elite teams.

And, in Florida earlier this month they shared players with another team at the tournament.

Nothing gets the boys buzzing like some Nationals talk! Keep it going. I love the free publicity.

Probably 40 players total at the Nationals LC 2027 tryout in Raleigh last weekend. It looks like everyone wants in after that dominating performance at Club Nationals.

Sorry that the Hawks or whatever team your son normally plays for is not meeting his/your needs. Best of luck!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Probably 40 players total at the Nationals LC 2027 tryout in Raleigh last weekend. It looks like everyone wants in after that dominating performance at Club Nationals.

If that team can hold its own against a Madlax Capital, 91 Machine, Hawks, Sweetlax NY,... (using actual 27 players, not using some 26 as they did) then it's something. Otherwise I think you'll find the team will just win against non top level teams and you're paying a lot of money for hype.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Probably 40 players total at the Nationals LC 2027 tryout in Raleigh last weekend. It looks like everyone wants in after that dominating performance at Club Nationals.

If that team can hold its own against a Madlax Capital, 91 Machine, Hawks, Sweetlax NY,... (using actual 27 players, not using some 26 as they did) then it's something. Otherwise I think you'll find the team will just win against non top level teams and you're paying a lot of money for hype.

Big difference playing with a bunch of Carolina regional players and DC/Baltimore players. Nationals will swing up or down depending on where they are traveling to that week.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Probably 40 players total at the Nationals LC 2027 tryout in Raleigh last weekend. It looks like everyone wants in after that dominating performance at Club Nationals.

If that team can hold its own against a Madlax Capital, 91 Machine, Hawks, Sweetlax NY,... (using actual 27 players, not using some 26 as they did) then it's something. Otherwise I think you'll find the team will just win against non top level teams and you're paying a lot of money for hype.

If you think that there weren't any 26 players on that Nationals team, then you're a special kind of ignorant.

Anybody have any info on what the HoCo 2027 divisions will look like?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry that the Hawks or whatever team your son normally plays for is not meeting his/your needs. Best of luck!

Why does everyone always drag the Hawks into these things? Good luck to Nationals.
Real Hawks Dad - not some Troll. Relax Nationals parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry that the Hawks or whatever team your son normally plays for is not meeting his/your needs. Best of luck!

Why does everyone always drag the Hawks into these things? Good luck to Nationals.
Real Hawks Dad - not some Troll. Relax Nationals parents.

Why? Because the Nationals parent who does the most talking on the sidelines is a Hawks parent in his spare time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anybody have any info on what the HoCo 2027 divisions will look like?

Team MD up, BLC blue down
HoCo up, Team 91 down

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry that the Hawks or whatever team your son normally plays for is not meeting his/your needs. Best of luck!

Why does everyone always drag the Hawks into these things? Good luck to Nationals.
Real Hawks Dad - not some Troll. Relax Nationals parents.

Why? Because the Nationals parent who does the most talking on the sidelines is a Hawks parent in his spare time.

You are clueless. Although all Hawks dads are loud-mouths so you could be referring to just about anyone. There are no Hawks that play Nationals. We had 2 come by for a guest appearance but they arent with us. You will see the real Nationals this summer. I honestly didnt even notice them when they did play with us.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry that the Hawks or whatever team your son normally plays for is not meeting his/your needs. Best of luck!

Why does everyone always drag the Hawks into these things? Good luck to Nationals.
Real Hawks Dad - not some Troll. Relax Nationals parents.

The Hawks have become the Crabs of old. Everyone is envious of their record.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anybody have any info on what the HoCo 2027 divisions will look like?

Team MD up, BLC blue down
HoCo up, Team 91 down

for real? where did you see that?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anybody have any info on what the HoCo 2027 divisions will look like?

Based on where teams played in 2019 Spring season, head-to-head wins in the Fall 2020 tournaments, and USCL Fall 2020 rankings this is one possibility. Note that * = programs are not confirmed with 2027 team. Additional criteria was to make even number teams in each division, and of course applying the WAG principle.

2027 Elite
#3 Madlax Capital - H2H wins vs Next Level Blue, Team MD White, 91 MD, Crabs
#5 Next Level Blue - H2H wins vs Hawks, True Annapolis Green, Kooper's, Mesa MD, Crabs
#6 Annapolis Hawks - H2H wins vs Bethesda Blue, Crabs, Sidewinders
#15 Team Maryland White - H2H wins vs Mesa MD, Bethesda Blue, True Annapolis Green, FCA, 91 MD
#37 FCA
#34 Team 91 MD
#48 True Annapolis Green - H2H wins vs Bethesda Blue, Mesa MD, Kooper's

2027 AAA
#36 Crabs
#42 Bethesda Blue - H2H win vs Mesa MD
#28 Zingos Black
#31 Sidewinders Black - H2H win vs Crabs
#39 Cavalier - H2H win vs Mesa MD
#43 Mesa MD - H2H win vs Bethesda Blue, Kooper's
#59 VLC - H2H win vs MDX-R
#81 Kooper's

2027 AA
*HLC
PLC
Fallston
Cannons Select
Kelly Post
True Baltimore
Madlax- DMV
#51 Team Maryland Red

2027 A
*Top Caliber
Bethesda Orange
Breakers
HoCo Black
True Annapolis White
*Coppermine
Looney's
*Gator Lacrosse Club

2027B
East Side
Zingos Blue
Baltimore Swarm
Rockfish Purple
*USS Cruisers
*AYLC
*LTRC
*MDX-R

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anybody have any info on what the HoCo 2027 divisions will look like?

Based on where teams played in 2019 Spring season, head-to-head wins in the Fall 2020 tournaments, and USCL Fall 2020 rankings this is one possibility. Note that * = programs are not confirmed with 2027 team. Additional criteria was to make even number teams in each division, and of course applying the WAG principle.

2027 Elite
#3 Madlax Capital - H2H wins vs Next Level Blue, Team MD White, 91 MD, Crabs
#5 Next Level Blue - H2H wins vs Hawks, True Annapolis Green, Kooper's, Mesa MD, Crabs
#6 Annapolis Hawks - H2H wins vs Bethesda Blue, Crabs, Sidewinders
#15 Team Maryland White - H2H wins vs Mesa MD, Bethesda Blue, True Annapolis Green, FCA, 91 MD
#37 FCA
#34 Team 91 MD
#48 True Annapolis Green - H2H wins vs Bethesda Blue, Mesa MD, Kooper's

2027 AAA
#36 Crabs
#42 Bethesda Blue - H2H win vs Mesa MD
#28 Zingos Black
#31 Sidewinders Black - H2H win vs Crabs
#39 Cavalier - H2H win vs Mesa MD
#43 Mesa MD - H2H win vs Bethesda Blue, Kooper's
#59 VLC - H2H win vs MDX-R
#81 Kooper's

2027 AA
*HLC
PLC
Fallston
Cannons Select
Kelly Post
True Baltimore
Madlax- DMV
#51 Team Maryland Red

2027 A
*Top Caliber
Bethesda Orange
Breakers
HoCo Black
True Annapolis White
*Coppermine
Looney's
*Gator Lacrosse Club

2027B
East Side
Zingos Blue
Baltimore Swarm
Rockfish Purple
*USS Cruisers
*AYLC
*LTRC
*MDX-R

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Nice work. Speculative but informed. No mentions of hold backs, daddy ball, hitting the wall, etc. Didn't misspell the word "lose" as "loose". Didn't randomly Capitalize words and/or for some reason use an apostrophe to pluralize some word's while leaving others without. Did you get lost on your way to another more intelligent message board?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry that the Hawks or whatever team your son normally plays for is not meeting his/your needs. Best of luck!

Why does everyone always drag the Hawks into these things? Good luck to Nationals.
Real Hawks Dad - not some Troll. Relax Nationals parents.

Why? Because the Nationals parent who does the most talking on the sidelines is a Hawks parent in his spare time.

You are clueless. Although all Hawks dads are loud-mouths so you could be referring to just about anyone. There are no Hawks that play Nationals. We had 2 come by for a guest appearance but they arent with us. You will see the real Nationals this summer. I honestly didnt even notice them when they did play with us.

I am glad that you didn't notice the Hawks dad referenced in the earlier post, but trust me, others did.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anybody have any info on what the HoCo 2027 divisions will look like?

Based on where teams played in 2019 Spring season, head-to-head wins in the Fall 2020 tournaments, and USCL Fall 2020 rankings this is one possibility. Note that * = programs are not confirmed with 2027 team. Additional criteria was to make even number teams in each division, and of course applying the WAG principle.

2027 Elite
#3 Madlax Capital - H2H wins vs Next Level Blue, Team MD White, 91 MD, Crabs
#5 Next Level Blue - H2H wins vs Hawks, True Annapolis Green, Kooper's, Mesa MD, Crabs
#6 Annapolis Hawks - H2H wins vs Bethesda Blue, Crabs, Sidewinders
#15 Team Maryland White - H2H wins vs Mesa MD, Bethesda Blue, True Annapolis Green, FCA, 91 MD
#37 FCA
#34 Team 91 MD
#48 True Annapolis Green - H2H wins vs Bethesda Blue, Mesa MD, Kooper's

2027 AAA
#36 Crabs
#42 Bethesda Blue - H2H win vs Mesa MD
#28 Zingos Black
#31 Sidewinders Black - H2H win vs Crabs
#39 Cavalier - H2H win vs Mesa MD
#43 Mesa MD - H2H win vs Bethesda Blue, Kooper's
#59 VLC - H2H win vs MDX-R
#81 Kooper's

2027 AA
*HLC
PLC
Fallston
Cannons Select
Kelly Post
True Baltimore
Madlax- DMV
#51 Team Maryland Red

2027 A
*Top Caliber
Bethesda Orange
Breakers
HoCo Black
True Annapolis White
*Coppermine
Looney's
*Gator Lacrosse Club

2027B
East Side
Zingos Blue
Baltimore Swarm
Rockfish Purple
*USS Cruisers
*AYLC
*LTRC
*MDX-R

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No chance Crabs slide down.
Team 91 hasn't won a game in Hoco in 2, maybe 3, years.
BLC blue and orange might request to go another division down. They are really struggling.
Madlax DMV will slide lower

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anybody have any info on what the HoCo 2027 divisions will look like?

Based on where teams played in 2019 Spring season, head-to-head wins in the Fall 2020 tournaments, and USCL Fall 2020 rankings this is one possibility. Note that * = programs are not confirmed with 2027 team. Additional criteria was to make even number teams in each division, and of course applying the WAG principle.

2027 Elite
#3 Madlax Capital - H2H wins vs Next Level Blue, Team MD White, 91 MD, Crabs
#5 Next Level Blue - H2H wins vs Hawks, True Annapolis Green, Kooper's, Mesa MD, Crabs
#6 Annapolis Hawks - H2H wins vs Bethesda Blue, Crabs, Sidewinders
#15 Team Maryland White - H2H wins vs Mesa MD, Bethesda Blue, True Annapolis Green, FCA, 91 MD
#37 FCA
#34 Team 91 MD
#48 True Annapolis Green - H2H wins vs Bethesda Blue, Mesa MD, Kooper's

2027 AAA
#36 Crabs
#42 Bethesda Blue - H2H win vs Mesa MD
#28 Zingos Black
#31 Sidewinders Black - H2H win vs Crabs
#39 Cavalier - H2H win vs Mesa MD
#43 Mesa MD - H2H win vs Bethesda Blue, Kooper's
#59 VLC - H2H win vs MDX-R
#81 Kooper's

2027 AA
*HLC
PLC
Fallston
Cannons Select
Kelly Post
True Baltimore
Madlax- DMV
#51 Team Maryland Red

2027 A
*Top Caliber
Bethesda Orange
Breakers
HoCo Black
True Annapolis White
*Coppermine
Looney's
*Gator Lacrosse Club

2027B
East Side
Zingos Blue
Baltimore Swarm
Rockfish Purple
*USS Cruisers
*AYLC
*LTRC
*MDX-R

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pretty good attempt- I cannot speak intelligently on the lower divisions but heres my take on Elite/AAA

Elite
hawks
NL
ML
FCA
TMD
T91
Crabs
Sidewinders

AAA
true annapolis
looneys
zingos
cavalier
VLC
kelly post
mesa
bethesda blue

When is the last time Hawks beat or played close to a projected elite team?

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No chance Crabs slide down.
Team 91 hasn't won a game in Hoco in 2, maybe 3, years.
BLC blue and orange might request to go another division down. They are really struggling.
Madlax DMV will slide lower[/quote]

I forgot Madlax DMV has more than 10 of the Bethesda Blue team. They won't slide unless those families have run back across the river.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anybody have any info on what the HoCo 2027 divisions will look like?

Based on where teams played in 2019 Spring season, head-to-head wins in the Fall 2020 tournaments, and USCL Fall 2020 rankings this is one possibility. Note that * = programs are not confirmed with 2027 team. Additional criteria was to make even number teams in each division, and of course applying the WAG principle.

2027 Elite
#3 Madlax Capital - H2H wins vs Next Level Blue, Team MD White, 91 MD, Crabs
#5 Next Level Blue - H2H wins vs Hawks, True Annapolis Green, Kooper's, Mesa MD, Crabs
#6 Annapolis Hawks - H2H wins vs Bethesda Blue, Crabs, Sidewinders
#15 Team Maryland White - H2H wins vs Mesa MD, Bethesda Blue, True Annapolis Green, FCA, 91 MD
#37 FCA
#34 Team 91 MD
#48 True Annapolis Green - H2H wins vs Bethesda Blue, Mesa MD, Kooper's

2027 AAA
#36 Crabs
#42 Bethesda Blue - H2H win vs Mesa MD
#28 Zingos Black
#31 Sidewinders Black - H2H win vs Crabs
#39 Cavalier - H2H win vs Mesa MD
#43 Mesa MD - H2H win vs Bethesda Blue, Kooper's
#59 VLC - H2H win vs MDX-R
#81 Kooper's

2027 AA
*HLC
PLC
Fallston
Cannons Select
Kelly Post
True Baltimore
Madlax- DMV
#51 Team Maryland Red

2027 A
*Top Caliber
Bethesda Orange
Breakers
HoCo Black
True Annapolis White
*Coppermine
Looney's
*Gator Lacrosse Club

2027B
East Side
Zingos Blue
Baltimore Swarm
Rockfish Purple
*USS Cruisers
*AYLC
*LTRC
*MDX-R

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No chance Crabs slide down.
Team 91 hasn't won a game in Hoco in 2, maybe 3, years.
BLC blue and orange might request to go another division down. They are really struggling.
Madlax DMV will slide lower

Crabs will not be in Elite. They did not have a great summer and were 0-fer in the fall, including losses to Sidewinders and Richmond Hawks. 91 has beat (in some cases handily) or tied everyone they've played in AAA since the summer. BLC teams and Madlax DMV could move down. Lower divisions are a WAG at this point without knowing which programs are actually fielding teams at this grad year. Hearing that some programs may be opting out of a spring season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry that the Hawks or whatever team your son normally plays for is not meeting his/your needs. Best of luck!

Why does everyone always drag the Hawks into these things? Good luck to Nationals.
Real Hawks Dad - not some Troll. Relax Nationals parents.

Why? Because the Nationals parent who does the most talking on the sidelines is a Hawks parent in his spare time.

You are clueless. Although all Hawks dads are loud-mouths so you could be referring to just about anyone. There are no Hawks that play Nationals. We had 2 come by for a guest appearance but they arent with us. You will see the real Nationals this summer. I honestly didnt even notice them when they did play with us.

I am glad that you didn't notice the Hawks dad referenced in the earlier post, but trust me, others did.

Lol. I meant I didnt notice the players on the field. Definitely didnt notice the dads but if they were as described thats a good thing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anybody have any info on what the HoCo 2027 divisions will look like?

Based on where teams played in 2019 Spring season, head-to-head wins in the Fall 2020 tournaments, and USCL Fall 2020 rankings this is one possibility. Note that * = programs are not confirmed with 2027 team. Additional criteria was to make even number teams in each division, and of course applying the WAG principle.

2027 Elite
#3 Madlax Capital - H2H wins vs Next Level Blue, Team MD White, 91 MD, Crabs
#5 Next Level Blue - H2H wins vs Hawks, True Annapolis Green, Kooper's, Mesa MD, Crabs
#6 Annapolis Hawks - H2H wins vs Bethesda Blue, Crabs, Sidewinders
#15 Team Maryland White - H2H wins vs Mesa MD, Bethesda Blue, True Annapolis Green, FCA, 91 MD
#37 FCA
#34 Team 91 MD
#48 True Annapolis Green - H2H wins vs Bethesda Blue, Mesa MD, Kooper's

2027 AAA
#36 Crabs
#42 Bethesda Blue - H2H win vs Mesa MD
#28 Zingos Black
#31 Sidewinders Black - H2H win vs Crabs
#39 Cavalier - H2H win vs Mesa MD
#43 Mesa MD - H2H win vs Bethesda Blue, Kooper's
#59 VLC - H2H win vs MDX-R
#81 Kooper's

2027 AA
*HLC
PLC
Fallston
Cannons Select
Kelly Post
True Baltimore
Madlax- DMV
#51 Team Maryland Red

2027 A
*Top Caliber
Bethesda Orange
Breakers
HoCo Black
True Annapolis White
*Coppermine
Looney's
*Gator Lacrosse Club

2027B
East Side
Zingos Blue
Baltimore Swarm
Rockfish Purple
*USS Cruisers
*AYLC
*LTRC
*MDX-R

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No chance Crabs slide down.
Team 91 hasn't won a game in Hoco in 2, maybe 3, years.
BLC blue and orange might request to go another division down. They are really struggling.
Madlax DMV will slide lower

Crabs will not be in Elite. They did not have a great summer and were 0-fer in the fall, including losses to Sidewinders and Richmond Hawks. 91 has beat (in some cases handily) or tied everyone they've played in AAA since the summer. BLC teams and Madlax DMV could move down. Lower divisions are a WAG at this point without knowing which programs are actually fielding teams at this grad year. Hearing that some programs may be opting out of a spring season.

Based on HCRP Online Registration (which closed on 15 Feb) here's how many team registered for each division. Likely to be movement since its a 7 game regular season and HoCo likes for teams to have one game vs all others in division, so that would mean 8 team divisions. Given there are 39 teams registered, one division would have 7 teams.

2027 Elite - 11
2027 AAA - 5
2027 AA - 7
2027 A - 5
2027 B - 11

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anybody have any info on what the HoCo 2027 divisions will look like?

Based on where teams played in 2019 Spring season, head-to-head wins in the Fall 2020 tournaments, and USCL Fall 2020 rankings this is one possibility. Note that * = programs are not confirmed with 2027 team. Additional criteria was to make even number teams in each division, and of course applying the WAG principle.

2027 Elite
#3 Madlax Capital - H2H wins vs Next Level Blue, Team MD White, 91 MD, Crabs
#5 Next Level Blue - H2H wins vs Hawks, True Annapolis Green, Kooper's, Mesa MD, Crabs
#6 Annapolis Hawks - H2H wins vs Bethesda Blue, Crabs, Sidewinders
#15 Team Maryland White - H2H wins vs Mesa MD, Bethesda Blue, True Annapolis Green, FCA, 91 MD
#37 FCA
#34 Team 91 MD
#48 True Annapolis Green - H2H wins vs Bethesda Blue, Mesa MD, Kooper's

2027 AAA
#36 Crabs
#42 Bethesda Blue - H2H win vs Mesa MD
#28 Zingos Black
#31 Sidewinders Black - H2H win vs Crabs
#39 Cavalier - H2H win vs Mesa MD
#43 Mesa MD - H2H win vs Bethesda Blue, Kooper's
#59 VLC - H2H win vs MDX-R
#81 Kooper's

2027 AA
*HLC
PLC
Fallston
Cannons Select
Kelly Post
True Baltimore
Madlax- DMV
#51 Team Maryland Red

2027 A
*Top Caliber
Bethesda Orange
Breakers
HoCo Black
True Annapolis White
*Coppermine
Looney's
*Gator Lacrosse Club

2027B
East Side
Zingos Blue
Baltimore Swarm
Rockfish Purple
*USS Cruisers
*AYLC
*LTRC
*MDX-R

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No chance Crabs slide down.
Team 91 hasn't won a game in Hoco in 2, maybe 3, years.
BLC blue and orange might request to go another division down. They are really struggling.
Madlax DMV will slide lower

Crabs will not be in Elite. They did not have a great summer and were 0-fer in the fall, including losses to Sidewinders and Richmond Hawks. 91 has beat (in some cases handily) or tied everyone they've played in AAA since the summer. BLC teams and Madlax DMV could move down. Lower divisions are a WAG at this point without knowing which programs are actually fielding teams at this grad year. Hearing that some programs may be opting out of a spring season.

Based on HCRP Online Registration (which closed on 15 Feb) here's how many team registered for each division. Likely to be movement since its a 7 game regular season and HoCo likes for teams to have one game vs all others in division, so that would mean 8 team divisions. Given there are 39 teams registered, one division would have 7 teams.

2027 Elite - 11
2027 AAA - 5
2027 AA - 7
2027 A - 5
2027 B - 11

91 only played one year of Hoco which was two years ago since everyone missed last year. They did not play in the fall hoco. Hawks has had some roster changes and I don't know how they did in tournaments so will be interesting to see their play.

What happened with Hoco pink?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened with Hoco pink?

Hoco played their Pink teams in B in the fall except for 2024. 2027 played as Black. A lot of turnover

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened with Hoco pink?

They were doing well last year and just called it quits. Sounded like a coaching thing but can't really say.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened with Hoco pink?

players went to FCA, Crabs, 91 and Zingos

Sinc

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened with Hoco pink?

Hoco played their Pink teams in B in the fall except for 2024. 2027 played as Black. A lot of turnover

Since there was only A and B divisions in the Fall, it is not really a true statement. Most of the A teams in the A divisions were actually Elite and AAA teams. A number of the teams in the B divisions were actually AA and A teams. The B divisions did not have all B teams, although there were some B teams playing and they were getting smoked.

Didn't HoCo black play this summer? I thought they were very competitive. Did all of HLC break up or just that class?

Didn't break up but not looking good. One team at the 27 level with 17 players and the web site is about 6 months outdated.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Didn't break up but not looking good. One team at the 27 level with 17 players and the web site is about 6 months outdated.

I don't think there are any rec team select that make it to elite status at the 6-8 grade level in this area. Just the nature of the sport right now.

Team Md got a few HoCo pink players as well.

hoco pink 2027 implosion is strange, they had 6 or 7 dad coaches. They all decided to just quit and do their own thing?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

hoco pink 2027 implosion is strange, they had 6 or 7 dad coaches. They all decided to just quit and do their own thing?

My kids team played them on few occasions last summer. During the last two games, the guy who had been the head coach earlier in the summer was watching the game with the parents. Talked to one dad coach who had already made up his mind to take his kid to Team MD. Gut tells me the dad coaches are the ones that killed that team, which is interesting because I've never heard of dads destroying youth sports.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

hoco pink 2027 implosion is strange, they had 6 or 7 dad coaches. They all decided to just quit and do their own thing?

My kids team played them on few occasions last summer. During the last two games, the guy who had been the head coach earlier in the summer was watching the game with the parents. Talked to one dad coach who had already made up his mind to take his kid to Team MD. Gut tells me the dad coaches are the ones that killed that team, which is interesting because I've never heard of dads destroying youth sports.

Let's move on

Originally Posted by Anonymous

hoco pink 2027 implosion is strange, they had 6 or 7 dad coaches. They all decided to just quit and do their own thing?

My kids team played them on few occasions last summer. During the last two games, the guy who had been the head coach earlier in the summer was watching the game with the parents. Talked to one dad coach who had already made up his mind to take his kid to Team MD. Gut tells me the dad coaches are the ones that killed that team, which is interesting because I've never heard of dads destroying youth sports.

That is highly unusual, what next bears and monkeys playing together

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"Смерть на Нілі" (детектив, жовтень 2020 року) – сіквел "Вбивства у Північному експресі" 2017 року, детективна драма за однойменним романом Агати Крісті про педантичного бельгійця Еркюля Пуаро. Не пропустіть Кріс Пайн розкрив деталі сюжету і зйомок "Диво-жінки 1984": ексклюзивне інтерв'ю з актором Батьки встановили йому металеві імплантати. Саме під час бесіди ведучий із захватом прокоментував появу у стрічці невидимого літака, на якому буде пересуватись Діана Принц. У ролях: Емілі Блант, Кіліан Мерфі, Ноа Джуп, Джимон Хонсу. офіційно підтвердили, що вихід стрічки пройде до кінця 2020 року. Ґал Ґадот, Кріс Пайн, Крістен Віґ, Педро Паскаль, Робін Райт, Конні Нільсен Тож, фанати персонажа можуть бути впевнені – на них чекає приголомшлива екранізація. Чого тільки варта гонитва за Лордом, де Діана була затиснута між двох бронемашин або як на льоту своїм ласо ловить снаряд.

розповість свою історію, починаючи з дитинства та участі в Лізі Справедливості до перетворення на богиню війни. Та літня робота в майстерні допомогла Еллі стати вправним водієм зі знаннями того, як влаштована робота машин. А ще, знаєте, Спілберга, HBO, все це. Раніше був представлений перший тизер фільму "Енола Холмс" з Міллі Боббі Браун і Генрі Кавіллом, який вийде у вересні 2020 року. Переходьте на нашу офіційну сторінку у Facebook та вигравайте круті подарунки! А от Крістен Віг («Де ти поділась, Бернадетт?») вперше стане героїнею коміксів.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

hoco pink 2027 implosion is strange, they had 6 or 7 dad coaches. They all decided to just quit and do their own thing?

My kids team played them on few occasions last summer. During the last two games, the guy who had been the head coach earlier in the summer was watching the game with the parents. Talked to one dad coach who had already made up his mind to take his kid to Team MD. Gut tells me the dad coaches are the ones that killed that team, which is interesting because I've never heard of dads destroying youth sports.

It is ironic that the home of the nationally known hoco lax league (mentioned on md vs penn state game tonight!) fails to have an elite team itself. I think it shows that having a strong club leadership and good individual coaches works. I have yet to see a rec select club that is more than individual coaches per team.

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Саме так. Це історія кохання.

І, варто відзначити, що після перегляду фільму, багато хто захоче повторити ці образи. "Диво-жінка 1984": дивіться трейлер до фільму2020 вирішила інтригувати фанатів "Диво-жінки" ще рік і перенесла прем'єру другої частини фільму з листопада 2019 на червень 2020 року. І мені сподобалося, що це було водночас практично й зроблено під впливом високої моди й прекрасного дизайну. За словами Дженкінс вони прийняли таке рішення для безпеки, бажаючих познайомитися з роботою. У рамках промо-кампанії виконавиця головної ролі Галь Гадот вже дає численні інтерв'ю, які часом не проходять без конфузів. Незабаром в їх руки потрапляє таємничий артефакт, який виконує будь-яке бажання. А ще, знаєте, Спілберга, HBO, все це. Головна героїня, відчайдушна амазонка Діана, працює археологом у Смітсонівському інституті й підробляє на пів ставки рятівницею світу і захисницею всіх принижених та ображених. Хоча багато хто віддав вирішили подивитися “Диво-жінку 1984” не виходячи їх вдома, фільм за перший тиждень кінотеатрального прокату зібрав в США 16,7 мільйона доларів, що стало рекордом на сьогодні в умовах епідемії коронавірусу.

Головні герої фільму "Диво-жінка 1984" / Фото Warner Bros. Дружина Марстона, Елізабет, та їх супутниця життя Олів Бірн вважаються його натхненням для появи персонажа. У мережі з'явився трейлер сиквелу коміксів DC про Диво-жінку. Події «Диво-Жінки: 1984» розгортаються вже в другій половині XX століття, де легендарній войовниці доведеться битися з телепатом-мільярдером Максвеллом Лордом, який має намір позбавити світ від супергероїв. Режисером стала Патті Дженкінс, а Гадот виконала головну роль у фільмі. Це дуже полегшувало мою роботу.

Особливість другої частини «Диво-жінки» в тому, що всі бойові сцени не намальовано за допомогою комп’ютерної графіки, а знято на реальних локаціях з участю акторів і каскадерів. Стрічка розповідає про студентку-медика Карлу, яка мала непросте дитинство з братом Блейком. Сюрпризом для шанувальників фільму стане поява нового персонажа - бізнесмена Максвелла Лорда, якого зіграв Педро Паскаль. У Warner Bros. Відділ костюмів фільму, яким керувала Лінді Геммінґ, підготував одяг для близько 1100 акторів масовки під час зйомок у Вашингтоні, 1350 – у Великобританії та 400 – в Іспанії. Просто уявите собі цю воістину "диво-жінку", яка перед тим, як врятувати все живе на нашій планеті, у шовковій піжамі лягає спати при повному параді. Хто така Диво-жінка? Це самий початок дорослішання, наповнений бейсболом, фільмами, які дивились з сестрою, Duran Duran у машині та спробою побачити U2 на концерті у Forum. Але якби вона тільки знала, що за допомогою цього проклятого артефакту може накоїти бізнесмен-телепат Максвел Лорд (Педро Паскаль) і кровожерна жінка-кішка Гепарда (Крістен Віг).

Справедливості заради відзначимо , що дивитися на цього персонажа після перетворення приємно . Вона сильна , вольова , харизматична , розумна - і Крістен Уіг зображати таку героїню куди зручніше , ніж лузершу - недотепа . На Діану ж у виконанні Галь Гадот дивитися завжди приємно , а її біле плаття - краще , що є в цьому фільмі . Але у Діани тут немає практично ніякої арки , героїня не змінюється . Знай вона спочатку , що перед нею діючий виконавець бажань , вона б не за що їм не скористалася . Кінотеатри на початку 2021 роки знову запрошують нас зануритися в світ кіно . Стрімінговие сервіси як і раніше випускають багато гідного контенту . Як завжди , давайте розберемося у всьому по порядку . Попереду - січень .

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

hoco pink 2027 implosion is strange, they had 6 or 7 dad coaches. They all decided to just quit and do their own thing?

My kids team played them on few occasions last summer. During the last two games, the guy who had been the head coach earlier in the summer was watching the game with the parents. Talked to one dad coach who had already made up his mind to take his kid to Team MD. Gut tells me the dad coaches are the ones that killed that team, which is interesting because I've never heard of dads destroying youth sports.

It is ironic that the home of the nationally known hoco lax league (mentioned on md vs penn state game tonight!) fails to have an elite team itself. I think it shows that having a strong club leadership and good individual coaches works. I have yet to see a rec select club that is more than individual coaches per team.

We left after a 3 years on an older Pink team. the Black teams are a gamble as far as the coaching. Nothing wrong with a dad coach, but sometimes you get a rec dad coach who can be flattered into favoring certain families. some of the Pink coaches are dad coaches, but they aren't rec minded. We enjoyed our time there, but the coaches had to deal with the club board, and from what I saw or heard about the politics is on another level which is a shame because there are some really competitive teams there.

Does anyone have the HoCo League Division breakdown by team?

It's not created yet. Team are just registering

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How did the 2027 teams fair in Delaware yesterday?

Scores from the 3 games the Hawks played Sat in DE?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Scores from the 3 games the Hawks played Sat in DE?

Beat Express 7-6, great game!

Everybody played hard and did their best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Scores from the 3 games the Hawks played Sat in DE?

Beat Express 7-6, great game!

Thanks for sharing score. What tournament was that?

It wasn’t a tournament. It was a play day and it wasn’t on tourney machine.

2027 initial alignment

Elite
Crabs
Next Level
Team 91
Annapolis Hawks
FCA
Mesa MD
Madlax Capital
Team MD LC White

AAA
VLC
Zingos Black
Sidewinders
Looney's
True KP
Koopers
Eastside Lax
Bethesda Blue

AA
Madlax DMV
True Baltimore
True Annapolis Green
Cavalier
Team MD LC Red
Gator Lacrosse Club
Bethesda Orange
Rockfish Purple

A
True Annapolis White
Breakers
HLC
Cannons
HoCo Black
ALC Bay Raiders
Zingos Blue
LTLC
Baltimore Swarm
Ground Control LC

[quote=Anonymous]2027 initial alignment

Elite
Crabs
Next Level
Team 91
Annapolis Hawks
FCA
Mesa MD
Madlax Capital
Team MD LC White
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MESA MD in Elite?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2027 initial alignment

Elite
Crabs
Next Level
Team 91
Annapolis Hawks
FCA
Mesa MD
Madlax Capital
Team MD LC White
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MESA MD in Elite?

That's a lot of people's reactions. Nice that they're actually playing elite. Crabs lost to Sidewinders so they could pull in some wins. True Annapolis which won against them is playing 2 divisions down. kind of a shame looneys and bethesda moved down. Only Crabs and FCA left as non-profits now (yes I know there's people making money in non profits

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That 91 Mesa game will be the only win for one of those teams.

Serious question, what is the significance of profit vs. non-profit in this context?
From what I have observed, the kids, coaches, and parents in one ownership structure or the other are not much difference from one to the next. (both have some good apples, and some not so good). I'm interested in why somebody would make that observation when recapping the elite division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That 91 Mesa game will be the only win for one of those teams.

FCA and Crabs have had pretty much the same or worse record this past fall. Crabs lost to sidewinders as one example. Good to see if any of those can rise to the level of hawks, next level, madlax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That 91 Mesa game will be the only win for one of those teams.

FCA and Crabs have had pretty much the same or worse record this past fall. Crabs lost to sidewinders as one example. Good to see if any of those can rise to the level of hawks, next level, madlax.

Any surprises this weekend?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That 91 Mesa game will be the only win for one of those teams.

FCA and Crabs have had pretty much the same or worse record this past fall. Crabs lost to sidewinders as one example. Good to see if any of those can rise to the level of hawks, next level, madlax.

Any surprises this weekend?

Hawks 0-2-1 at Spring Thaw

Crabs 0-3 @ Spring Thaw

Madlax 1-2 @ Spring Thaw

Madlax 2-1 @ Spring Madness

Team MD 0-3 @ Kickoff

Next Level 4-0-1 @ Kickoff

FCA 2-0-1 @ Kickoff

T91 3-0 @ Kickoff

FCA and Team 91 played A

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA and Team 91 played A

Says that FCA also played Mad Dog National in AA and tied them 3-3, same for Next Level.

MDN rolled just about everyone this weekend including team MD 14-2

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA and Team 91 played A

Wrong. Check the schedule. FCA played 2 games vs A and 1 game vs AA on Saturday and 91MD played AA on Sunday.

Spring Thaw had a six team 2027 division, with three intact HoCo Elite teams (Hawks, MadLax, and Crabs), plus three national or regional all star teams. As a Dad of one of the three intact Elite teams, I was initially disappointed that the three Elite teams did not play against each other, but it actually was better to go up against the all star teams to get ready for the HoCo season. MadLax and Hawks had all close, intense games against the all star teams, and got a win and a tie. Crabs had a close loss and two bigger losses. I would not consider any of those results a surprise. I expect MadLax, Hawks, and a couple of other teams to have some epic battles in HoCo this spring.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA and Team 91 played A

Wrong. Check the schedule. FCA played 2 games vs A and 1 game vs AA on Saturday and 91MD played AA on Sunday.

Looks like 91MD won two games by 7 points and another by 11.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Spring Thaw had a six team 2027 division, with three intact HoCo Elite teams (Hawks, MadLax, and Crabs), plus three national or regional all star teams. As a Dad of one of the three intact Elite teams, I was initially disappointed that the three Elite teams did not play against each other, but it actually was better to go up against the all star teams to get ready for the HoCo season. MadLax and Hawks had all close, intense games against the all star teams, and got a win and a tie. Crabs had a close loss and two bigger losses. I would not consider any of those results a surprise. I expect MadLax, Hawks, and a couple of other teams to have some epic battles in HoCo this spring.

So, do you not consider the Elite HoCo teams to be all-star teams in their own right?

Are the local Allstars not as good as the out of state allstars?

Your argument is perplexing- out of state all stars competing and beating local elite all star teams. But losses being blamed on having to play of state allstar teams.

Hoco elite is the measuring stick After all, they draw from the 2nd greatest lacrosse hotbed in the nation in MD, not to mention-DC, VA amd to lesser extent PA

One point I agree with having seen almost all of the 2027 elite bracket play this weekend- there are certainly going to be some epic battles this spring and I do believe a new champion will emerge!!

It does look like Team 91 technically played AA. However, AA was sorted into two groups. The Sidewinders, VLC, T91, BLC Blue group and the NL, Mad Dog, True IL, and Team MD, Team 11 group.

So congrats T91! Enjoy your AA wins!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It does look like Team 91 technically played AA. However, AA was sorted into two groups. The Sidewinders, VLC, T91, BLC Blue group and the NL, Mad Dog, True IL, and Team MD, Team 11 group.

So congrats T91! Enjoy your AA wins!

Technically, FCA played A and ran from the AA competition.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Spring Thaw had a six team 2027 division, with three intact HoCo Elite teams (Hawks, MadLax, and Crabs), plus three national or regional all star teams. As a Dad of one of the three intact Elite teams, I was initially disappointed that the three Elite teams did not play against each other, but it actually was better to go up against the all star teams to get ready for the HoCo season. MadLax and Hawks had all close, intense games against the all star teams, and got a win and a tie. Crabs had a close loss and two bigger losses. I would not consider any of those results a surprise. I expect MadLax, Hawks, and a couple of other teams to have some epic battles in HoCo this spring.

So, do you not consider the Elite HoCo teams to be all-star teams in their own right?

Are the local Allstars not as good as the out of state allstars?

Your argument is perplexing- out of state all stars competing and beating local elite all star teams. But losses being blamed on having to play of state allstar teams.

Hoco elite is the measuring stick After all, they draw from the 2nd greatest lacrosse hotbed in the nation in MD, not to mention-DC, VA amd to lesser extent PA

One point I agree with having seen almost all of the 2027 elite bracket play this weekend- there are certainly going to be some epic battles this spring and I do believe a new champion will emerge!!

PP here, my post was more of an observation than an argument. Best of luck this season and try to relax and enjoy your son's games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Spring Thaw had a six team 2027 division, with three intact HoCo Elite teams (Hawks, MadLax, and Crabs), plus three national or regional all star teams. As a Dad of one of the three intact Elite teams, I was initially disappointed that the three Elite teams did not play against each other, but it actually was better to go up against the all star teams to get ready for the HoCo season. MadLax and Hawks had all close, intense games against the all star teams, and got a win and a tie. Crabs had a close loss and two bigger losses. I would not consider any of those results a surprise. I expect MadLax, Hawks, and a couple of other teams to have some epic battles in HoCo this spring.

So, do you not consider the Elite HoCo teams to be all-star teams in their own right?

Are the local Allstars not as good as the out of state allstars?

Your argument is perplexing- out of state all stars competing and beating local elite all star teams. But losses being blamed on having to play of state allstar teams.

Hoco elite is the measuring stick After all, they draw from the 2nd greatest lacrosse hotbed in the nation in MD, not to mention-DC, VA amd to lesser extent PA

One point I agree with having seen almost all of the 2027 elite bracket play this weekend- there are certainly going to be some epic battles this spring and I do believe a new champion will emerge!!

The only surprise was how close the games were against the “all-star” teams. In the games I saw, Nationals clearly were the best but it would have been fun to see them go up against Team PA. Our boys went 1-2 but I still like our chances in HoCo. All in all, a fun day of lacrosse. Great event.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It does look like Team 91 technically played AA. However, AA was sorted into two groups. The Sidewinders, VLC, T91, BLC Blue group and the NL, Mad Dog, True IL, and Team MD, Team 11 group.

So congrats T91! Enjoy your AA wins!

Technically, FCA played A and ran from the AA competition.

Technically- NO- AA was never offered on Saturday- 4 FCA kids play on one of the "all-star" teams and could not make it on Sunday due to other commitment. They tried to play TI and NL on Saturday but scheduler would not change due to lack of teams in A.

FCA plays LIE, Sweetlax and Prime Time on Saturday prior to starting HoCo on Sunday- they arent running from anyone.

So what were NL, True, and Team MD, and mad dog doing on Saturday?

And NL played FCA a couple of times in the Fall in HoCo league. Why play each other again?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what were NL, True, and Team MD, and mad dog doing on Saturday?

So what Ive been told from a reliable source is what happened is Sunday was always designed to be the AA day and Saturday A. But an unusually large number of out of state AA type teams expressed interest in playing both days. So NL who is running the tournament scheduled some games on Saturday afternoon where they had some extra field availability with the out of state teams. They tried to accommodate more local teams playing against the elite out of state teams, but there was field availability limitations on granting everyone’s request.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It does look like Team 91 technically played AA. However, AA was sorted into two groups. The Sidewinders, VLC, T91, BLC Blue group and the NL, Mad Dog, True IL, and Team MD, Team 11 group.

So congrats T91! Enjoy your AA wins!

Technically, FCA played A and ran from the AA competition.

Technically- NO- AA was never offered on Saturday- 4 FCA kids play on one of the "all-star" teams and could not make it on Sunday due to other commitment. They tried to play TI and NL on Saturday but scheduler would not change due to lack of teams in A.

FCA plays LIE, Sweetlax and Prime Time on Saturday prior to starting HoCo on Sunday- they arent running from anyone.

So FCA can only compete when 4 players who are on an "all-star" team can be at games this season. Otherwise they're only an A team. Got it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It does look like Team 91 technically played AA. However, AA was sorted into two groups. The Sidewinders, VLC, T91, BLC Blue group and the NL, Mad Dog, True IL, and Team MD, Team 11 group.

So congrats T91! Enjoy your AA wins!

Technically, FCA played A and ran from the AA competition.

Technically- NO- AA was never offered on Saturday- 4 FCA kids play on one of the "all-star" teams and could not make it on Sunday due to other commitment. They tried to play TI and NL on Saturday but scheduler would not change due to lack of teams in A.

FCA plays LIE, Sweetlax and Prime Time on Saturday prior to starting HoCo on Sunday- they arent running from anyone.

So FCA can only compete when 4 players who are on an "all-star" team can be at games this season. Otherwise they're only an A team. Got it.

Nah, not really- FCA only has 19 players- 4 already playing, 1 on vacation.

It would be hard for any team at any level to play multiple games in a day with only 14 players and no goalie.....

What’s going on with the Hawks?

Word on the street is there are a lot of angry parents out there based on coaching changes and lack of practice during a pandemic!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s going on with the Hawks?

Word on the street is there are a lot of angry parents out there based on coaching changes and lack of practice during a pandemic!

Did not see much Fall tournament action (were there any?) . Knew of a few roster changes (one 26 def joined, 1 left for mesa, and 1 27 middie went down to 28).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s going on with the Hawks?

Word on the street is there are a lot of angry parents out there based on coaching changes and lack of practice during a pandemic!

Did not see much Fall tournament action (were there any?) . Knew of a few roster changes (one 26 def joined, 1 left for mesa, and 1 27 middie went down to 28).

Typical Hawks holdback season. Four kids from 27 went down to 28.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s going on with the Hawks?

Word on the street is there are a lot of angry parents out there based on coaching changes and lack of practice during a pandemic!

Did not see much Fall tournament action (were there any?) . Knew of a few roster changes (one 26 def joined, 1 left for mesa, and 1 27 middie went down to 28).

Typical Hawks holdback season. Four kids from 27 went down to 28.

1 went to madlax

3 former 2027 Hawks went to 2028, but they were 2028’s playing up. They are on age for 2028.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3 former 2027 Hawks went to 2028, but they were 2028’s playing up. They are on age for 2028.

If you are born in summer 2009 before Sept you aren't on age for 2028. there's at least one if not more. If that's what fits best academically, fine do what's best, but don't pretend it's not a holdback impact when it comes to sports.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It does look like Team 91 technically played AA. However, AA was sorted into two groups. The Sidewinders, VLC, T91, BLC Blue group and the NL, Mad Dog, True IL, and Team MD, Team 11 group.

So congrats T91! Enjoy your AA wins!

Technically, FCA played A and ran from the AA competition.

Technically- NO- AA was never offered on Saturday- 4 FCA kids play on one of the "all-star" teams and could not make it on Sunday due to other commitment. They tried to play TI and NL on Saturday but scheduler would not change due to lack of teams in A.

FCA plays LIE, Sweetlax and Prime Time on Saturday prior to starting HoCo on Sunday- they arent running from anyone.

That is a busy spring tournament schedule! which one is that?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3 former 2027 Hawks went to 2028, but they were 2028’s playing up. They are on age for 2028.

If you are born in summer 2009 before Sept you aren't on age for 2028. there's at least one if not more. If that's what fits best academically, fine do what's best, but don't pretend it's not a holdback impact when it comes to sports.

Please, not this again, Let the holdbacks pretend they are not holdbacks, they did prefirst or were born in the summer. That is not a holdback according to the world of lacrosse. Makes Johnny feel better. Get with the program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3 former 2027 Hawks went to 2028, but they were 2028’s playing up. They are on age for 2028.

If you are born in summer 2009 before Sept you aren't on age for 2028. there's at least one if not more. If that's what fits best academically, fine do what's best, but don't pretend it's not a holdback impact when it comes to sports.

Please, not this again, Let the holdbacks pretend they are not holdbacks, they did prefirst or were born in the summer. That is not a holdback according to the world of lacrosse. Makes Johnny feel better. Get with the program.

What's worse 3-4 holdbacks on a team or creating all star teams to be able to compete.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3 former 2027 Hawks went to 2028, but they were 2028’s playing up. They are on age for 2028.

If you are born in summer 2009 before Sept you aren't on age for 2028. there's at least one if not more. If that's what fits best academically, fine do what's best, but don't pretend it's not a holdback impact when it comes to sports.

Please, not this again, Let the holdbacks pretend they are not holdbacks, they did prefirst or were born in the summer. That is not a holdback according to the world of lacrosse. Makes Johnny feel better. Get with the program.

What's worse 3-4 holdbacks on a team or creating all star teams to be able to compete.

Go Nationals

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3 former 2027 Hawks went to 2028, but they were 2028’s playing up. They are on age for 2028.

If you are born in summer 2009 before Sept you aren't on age for 2028. there's at least one if not more. If that's what fits best academically, fine do what's best, but don't pretend it's not a holdback impact when it comes to sports.

Please, not this again, Let the holdbacks pretend they are not holdbacks, they did prefirst or were born in the summer. That is not a holdback according to the world of lacrosse. Makes Johnny feel better. Get with the program.

What's worse 3-4 holdbacks on a team or creating all star teams to be able to compete.

Lets see, what's worst....playing down or bringing in better on age players than you have ? Survey says, playing down .

Why is this 2027 forum concerned about summer 2009 players moving to 2028 - if that were even the case? I can see this group going crazy if Hawks 2026 players with summer 2008 birthdays were coming down to play for 2027, but I don’t think that’s happening.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is this 2027 forum concerned about summer 2009 players moving to 2028 - if that were even the case? I can see this group going crazy if Hawks 2026 players with summer 2008 birthdays were coming down to play for 2027, but I don’t think that’s happening.

Because certain parents brag that they're kid is playing up to 27 to your face. Nope, your son is the same age and you just held them back.

😂 all because a parent bragged about their kid... welcome to lacrosse!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3 former 2027 Hawks went to 2028, but they were 2028’s playing up. They are on age for 2028.

If you are born in summer 2009 before Sept you aren't on age for 2028. there's at least one if not more. If that's what fits best academically, fine do what's best, but don't pretend it's not a holdback impact when it comes to sports.

Please, not this again, Let the holdbacks pretend they are not holdbacks, they did prefirst or were born in the summer. That is not a holdback according to the world of lacrosse. Makes Johnny feel better. Get with the program.

What's worse 3-4 holdbacks on a team or creating all star teams to be able to compete.

Go Nationals

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

3 former 2027 Hawks went to 2028, but they were 2028’s playing up. They are on age for 2028.

If you are born in summer 2009 before Sept you aren't on age for 2028. there's at least one if not more. If that's what fits best academically, fine do what's best, but don't pretend it's not a holdback impact when it comes to sports.

Please, not this again, Let the holdbacks pretend they are not holdbacks, they did prefirst or were born in the summer. That is not a holdback according to the world of lacrosse. Makes Johnny feel better. Get with the program.

What's worse 3-4 holdbacks on a team or creating all star teams to be able to compete.

Lets see, what's worst....playing down or bringing in better on age players than you have ? Survey says, playing down .

What happens when little Johnny can't depend on his all stars he needs to shine. Its the exact same thing as a hold back. Both pathetic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is this 2027 forum concerned about summer 2009 players moving to 2028 - if that were even the case? I can see this group going crazy if Hawks 2026 players with summer 2008 birthdays were coming down to play for 2027, but I don’t think that’s happening.

If it didn't matter then why does WSYL have rules like this?

All players must be born on or after 9/1/2007 for the 13U division and born on or after 9/1/2006 for the 14U division. Each player will be required to submit a copy of their birth certificate

27 Hawks head coach went to 2028. His son is a 2010 birthday, a 2028. Two other kids- both from the 27 Hawks, moved down to 2028 also. Both are true 5th graders.

Don’t speak on it if you don’t know.

That whole team has 13 new players. NO kids from USS or True. New coach and mostly new Roster.

HoCo Week 1 Schedule is out

Hawks vs Sidewinders

Team MD vs Next Level

Madlax vs T91

FCA vs Crabs

[quote=Anonymous]HoCo Week 1 Schedule is out

Hawks vs Sidewinders

Team MD vs Next Level

Madlax vs T91

FCA vs Crabs[/quote
Oh, Sidewinders are Elite?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

27 Hawks head coach went to 2028. His son is a 2010 birthday, a 2028. Two other kids- both from the 27 Hawks, moved down to 2028 also. Both are true 5th graders.

Don’t speak on it if you don’t know.

That whole team has 13 new players. NO kids from USS or True. New coach and mostly new Roster.

You get specific about one player’s DOB. Why quiet on the other two? Both holdbacks?

Better get ready to protest the Madlax rosters each and every game. They have 29 players listed on the A team and 19 on the B team and 9 players names appear on both rosters. Their own parents complained about double rostering earlier this fall.

And I bet those BLC parents really feel good moving to ML just to switch to the C division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3 former 2027 Hawks went to 2028, but they were 2028’s playing up. They are on age for 2028.

Why does 3 kids at the bottom of the roster moving down affect Hawks 27's at all?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

27 Hawks head coach went to 2028. His son is a 2010 birthday, a 2028. Two other kids- both from the 27 Hawks, moved down to 2028 also. Both are true 5th graders.

Don’t speak on it if you don’t know.

That whole team has 13 new players. NO kids from USS or True. New coach and mostly new Roster.

Doesn't make sense. 3 move down and 1 maybe goes to ML and they have 13 new players?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

27 Hawks head coach went to 2028. His son is a 2010 birthday, a 2028. Two other kids- both from the 27 Hawks, moved down to 2028 also. Both are true 5th graders.

Don’t speak on it if you don’t know.

That whole team has 13 new players. NO kids from USS or True. New coach and mostly new Roster.

Doesn't make sense. 3 move down and 1 maybe goes to ML and they have 13 new players?

Math doesn't lie.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

27 Hawks head coach went to 2028. His son is a 2010 birthday, a 2028. Two other kids- both from the 27 Hawks, moved down to 2028 also. Both are true 5th graders.

Don’t speak on it if you don’t know.

That whole team has 13 new players. NO kids from USS or True. New coach and mostly new Roster.

Doesn't make sense. 3 move down and 1 maybe goes to ML and they have 13 new players?

That is a huge change. Reason why they went 0-2 at spring thaw?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

27 Hawks head coach went to 2028. His son is a 2010 birthday, a 2028. Two other kids- both from the 27 Hawks, moved down to 2028 also. Both are true 5th graders.

Don’t speak on it if you don’t know.

That whole team has 13 new players. NO kids from USS or True. New coach and mostly new Roster.

And what is wrong with what they are doing. It is all within the rules, Keep it real people.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

27 Hawks head coach went to 2028. His son is a 2010 birthday, a 2028. Two other kids- both from the 27 Hawks, moved down to 2028 also. Both are true 5th graders.

Don’t speak on it if you don’t know.

That whole team has 13 new players. NO kids from USS or True. New coach and mostly new Roster.

And what is wrong with what they are doing. It is all within the rules, Keep it real people.

When those parents lie about their kids age, make fun of other teams in front of them, yeah, you're getting called out.

Lacrosse is the fastest-growing youth sport. The National teams have a huge catchment area. West Coast Stars draws from a population base of over 50 million. While we have in DMV 20 clubs spreading the talent pool. It's just a numbers game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lacrosse is the fastest-growing youth sport. The National teams have a huge catchment area. West Coast Stars draws from a population base of over 50 million. While we have in DMV 20 clubs spreading the talent pool. It's just a numbers game.

West Coast Starz are terrible. Most DMV club teams win easily against them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lacrosse is the fastest-growing youth sport. The National teams have a huge catchment area. West Coast Stars draws from a population base of over 50 million. While we have in DMV 20 clubs spreading the talent pool. It's just a numbers game.

West Coast Starz are terrible. Most DMV club teams win easily against them.

Not sure I follow. WCS 2027 Gold went 1-1 vs Madlax, beat the Hawks and crushed the Crabs last weekend.

Curious how Madlax 2027's handled their rosters? Did any BLC or pre-existing players choose to return or leave after the BLC contingent came over. Has to be a bad situation going from the top division to the 3rd level. The DMV team should dominate that level and the Capital team is super strong regardless of who left.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lacrosse is the fastest-growing youth sport. The National teams have a huge catchment area. West Coast Stars draws from a population base of over 50 million. While we have in DMV 20 clubs spreading the talent pool. It's just a numbers game.

West Coast Starz are terrible. Most DMV club teams win easily against them.

Not sure I follow. WCS 2027 Gold went 1-1 vs Madlax, beat the Hawks and crushed the Crabs last weekend.

I spoke to one of the Hawks parents, they went 0-2-1 that weekend. I think they are still getting dialed in with the new coach. I’m not sure they lost or tied 3 games in the last 2 years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lacrosse is the fastest-growing youth sport. The National teams have a huge catchment area. West Coast Stars draws from a population base of over 50 million. While we have in DMV 20 clubs spreading the talent pool. It's just a numbers game.

West Coast Starz are terrible. Most DMV club teams win easily against them.

Not sure I follow. WCS 2027 Gold went 1-1 vs Madlax, beat the Hawks and crushed the Crabs last weekend.

I spoke to one of the Hawks parents, they went 0-2-1 that weekend. I think they are still getting dialed in with the new coach. I’m not sure they lost or tied 3 games in the last 2 years.

Next few games in hoco will be good to see where they're at.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lacrosse is the fastest-growing youth sport. The National teams have a huge catchment area. West Coast Stars draws from a population base of over 50 million. While we have in DMV 20 clubs spreading the talent pool. It's just a numbers game.

West Coast Starz are terrible. Most DMV club teams win easily against them.

Not sure I follow. WCS 2027 Gold went 1-1 vs Madlax, beat the Hawks and crushed the Crabs last weekend.

Madlax capital is a strong team. Hawks are hard to know right now. Crabs have really slipped and just lost to FCA who had a awful fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lacrosse is the fastest-growing youth sport. The National teams have a huge catchment area. West Coast Stars draws from a population base of over 50 million. While we have in DMV 20 clubs spreading the talent pool. It's just a numbers game.

West Coast Starz are terrible. Most DMV club teams win easily against them.

Not sure I follow. WCS 2027 Gold went 1-1 vs Madlax, beat the Hawks and crushed the Crabs last weekend.

Madlax capital is a strong team. Hawks are hard to know right now. Crabs have really slipped and just lost to FCA who had a awful fall.

All of that might very well be accurate, but I was responding to the comment that "West Coast Starz are terrible. Most DMV club teams win easily against them" and WCS played 3 teams (4 games) against DMV teams and none of them "won easily" vs WCS. Not making the point that WCS is amazingly good, etc

NL or Madlax? Who you got this weekend?

Sidewinders bail on HOCO again. Must be Covid related.

And now the FCA Madlax game is postponed

91 has 2 goals in 3 games? Am I reading the results correctly? Is this a typo?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 has 2 goals in 3 games? Am I reading the results correctly? Is this a typo?

Doesn't help they played Hawks and NL in 2 of the 3. If 91 had been bumped out this year, what team could have done better?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 has 2 goals in 3 games? Am I reading the results correctly? Is this a typo?

Doesn't help they played Hawks and NL in 2 of the 3. If 91 had been bumped out this year, what team could have done better?

Team MD had some goals against hawks but yeah, generally there's a significant gap between Hawks/Madlax/NL to the other teams in the division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 has 2 goals in 3 games? Am I reading the results correctly? Is this a typo?

Doesn't help they played Hawks and NL in 2 of the 3. If 91 had been bumped out this year, what team could have done better?

Team MD had some goals against hawks but yeah, generally there's a significant gap between Hawks/Madlax/NL to the other teams in the division.

Hawks are in a tier of their own.

The 2nd tier. Ahead of the rest, but clearly behind NL and Madlax.

notIntelligent take- Hawks v Madlax this weekend. Guess we’ll find out.

Any 27's looking for players this summer? Just moved to Towson and my child would like to guest play in some tourneys.
Is that a thing or not?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 has 2 goals in 3 games? Am I reading the results correctly? Is this a typo?

No, They are having a off year, in other words , they arent very good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any 27's looking for players this summer? Just moved to Towson and my child would like to guest play in some tourneys.
Is that a thing or not?

Reach out https://www.ghclacrosse.com/page/show/6198248-boys-2027-divisions

Most clubs don't take on guests unless there is intention on the player's part to at least try out for that team in the fall.

Let’s be clear. You said it anonymously.

The FCA coach had his kid on a dozen different teams it seems. Strange, because you generally
have to be good to be a goalie for hire. Now this kid is trying to be in the miaa. I’m sure daddy or grandpa will make a big donation. Heard the other FcA coach is leaving the club also. Prob the last year for this FCA team as we know it. Shame, because they were always the champions of mediocrity. Other, better run teams in program in the baltimore area folks. Trust me from experience in leaving.

The FCA coach had his kid on a dozen different teams it seems. Strange, because you generally
have to be good to be a goalie for hire. Now this kid is trying to be in the miaa. I’m sure daddy or grandpa will make a big donation. Heard the other FcA coach is leaving the club also. Prob the last year for this FCA team as we know it. Shame, because they were always the champions of mediocrity. Other, better run teams in program in the baltimore area folks. Trust me from experience in leaving.

Trying to play in the MIAA in the 6th grade? What are you talking about?????

You people are fools. Grown adults name calling and putting children down?! Says way more about you then it does anyone else. Relax folks. There, I said it.

Is the kid attending a miaa school? That’s how I read it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You people are fools. Grown adults name calling and putting children down?! Says way more about you then it does anyone else. Relax folks. There, I said it.

👆👆

I detest FCA as much as the next guy but leave the kids out of it.

Boys Latin. Wait for the stadium to be renamed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 has 2 goals in 3 games? Am I reading the results correctly? Is this a typo?

Doesn't help they played Hawks and NL in 2 of the 3. If 91 had been bumped out this year, what team could have done better?

Team MD had some goals against hawks but yeah, generally there's a significant gap between Hawks/Madlax/NL to the other teams in the division.

Would have loved to have seen 91 coach’s face when that schedule was posted. 😂

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The FCA coach had his kid on a dozen different teams it seems. Strange, because you generally
have to be good to be a goalie for hire. Now this kid is trying to be in the miaa. I’m sure daddy or grandpa will make a big donation. Heard the other FcA coach is leaving the club also. Prob the last year for this FCA team as we know it. Shame, because they were always the champions of mediocrity. Other, better run teams in program in the baltimore area folks. Trust me from experience in leaving.

Trying to play in the MIAA in the 6th grade? What are you talking about?????

You wouldn’t say any of this to his face. Coward. Please let us know if you plan to address your animonsity directly with the FCA Coach. We would like to see what happens to you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The FCA coach had his kid on a dozen different teams it seems. Strange, because you generally
have to be good to be a goalie for hire. Now this kid is trying to be in the miaa. I’m sure daddy or grandpa will make a big donation. Heard the other FcA coach is leaving the club also. Prob the last year for this FCA team as we know it. Shame, because they were always the champions of mediocrity. Other, better run teams in program in the baltimore area folks. Trust me from experience in leaving.

Trying to play in the MIAA in the 6th grade? What are you talking about?????

You wouldn’t say any of this to his face. Coward. Please let us know if you plan to address your animonsity directly with the FCA Coach. We would like to see what happens to you.

He’s just not over his kid getting cut. Move on bro.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Boys Latin. Wait for the stadium to be renamed.

What are you talking about. The next name will be the former legendary coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The FCA coach had his kid on a dozen different teams it seems. Strange, because you generally
have to be good to be a goalie for hire. Now this kid is trying to be in the miaa. I’m sure daddy or grandpa will make a big donation. Heard the other FcA coach is leaving the club also. Prob the last year for this FCA team as we know it. Shame, because they were always the champions of mediocrity. Other, better run teams in program in the baltimore area folks. Trust me from experience in leaving.

Trying to play in the MIAA in the 6th grade? What are you talking about?????

You wouldn’t say any of this to his face. Coward. Please let us know if you plan to address your animonsity directly with the FCA Coach. We would like to see what happens to you.

Wouldn't expect any other response from the so-called "christian" crowd. No wonder that team plays the way that it does.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The FCA coach had his kid on a dozen different teams it seems. Strange, because you generally
have to be good to be a goalie for hire. Now this kid is trying to be in the miaa. I’m sure daddy or grandpa will make a big donation. Heard the other FcA coach is leaving the club also. Prob the last year for this FCA team as we know it. Shame, because they were always the champions of mediocrity. Other, better run teams in program in the baltimore area folks. Trust me from experience in leaving.

Trying to play in the MIAA in the 6th grade? What are you talking about?????

You wouldn’t say any of this to his face. Coward. Please let us know if you plan to address your animonsity directly with the FCA Coach. We would like to see what happens to you.

Wouldn't expect any other response from the so-called "christian" crowd. No wonder that team plays the way that it does.

...But just think about how fun it would be to see someone say half the things that are said on these boards... without the anonymity. It would be nothing but little men with Napoleon complexes and middle school boys trying to use big words. Thanks for the entertainment fellas!

Love seeing FCA take a bad L. The back part of their season could be ROUGH.

Happy to see 91 get the W over Team MD. They’ve got some good athletes on that squad. About time they had some success!

Rankings
1. MadLax
Would love to see this team play 5 games against NL. The best team for now but haven't seen much of them in HoCo.
2. Next Level
Most talented team but lost a close one to Madlax. Likely to win the championship.
3. FCA
Strong Offensive team needs work on the defensive end.
4. Hawks
Up and down team lacks consistency.
5. Team 91
They have talent and are getting better. Could upset someone down the road.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Happy to see 91 get the W over Team MD. They’ve got some good athletes on that squad. About time they had some success!

Good game and Team MD got the first goal. Wish Hoco would post the scores by qtr. Team MD had some clearing struggles and weren't able to capitalize on several man-up and a 2 man-up ops.

FCA is not better than the Hawks and is a strong defensive team that doesn't score much!

Losing 7-2 I think to Next Level is not a bad loss!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Happy to see 91 get the W over Team MD. They’ve got some good athletes on that squad. About time they had some success!

I think their early schedule has helped them to improve. They should finish with at least one more win if not two.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Losing 7-2 I think to Next Level is not a bad loss!

We played on the field after them, and from what I saw the game was well played on both sides and could easily have been closer.

Next Level is the best and most consistent team I’ve seen all year.

NextLevel is a complete team, deeper than anybody, well coached, in a class by themselves. Aside from MadLax they are likely to be the dominant team in 2027.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NextLevel is a complete team, deeper than anybody, well coached, in a class by themselves. Aside from MadLax they are likely to be the dominant team in 2027.

Saw them play crabs. Very good team with many of their team being average or smaller size.

Ah NL has a few small to average size players but have quite a few really big kids with long poles in their hands. Probably the hardest team to get a clear against or win a ground ball.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Losing 7-2 I think to Next Level is not a bad loss!

And Next Level's middie monster hasn't played since the fall due to some kind of ongoing health concern. I don't know what it is but they'd be really tough if he was out there.

Am I missing something? Didn’t NL get beat by Madlax?

Madlax/Bethesda combined team beat NL 6-4. Must have been a good game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax/Bethesda combined team beat NL 6-4. Must have been a good game.

Where does NL draw kids from?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax/Bethesda combined team beat NL 6-4. Must have been a good game.

NextLevel 2024 added some good MadLax players this fall - do all their wins have an asterisk too?

Hawks will beat NL outright and give Madlax/Bethesda all they want.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax/Bethesda combined team beat NL 6-4. Must have been a good game.

Cute, but "combined team" is a stretch. The ML Capital roster has 5 former BLC players, roughly the number that all good teams try to add each year.

How many times in a row has MadLax beaten NextLevel - I am losing track.

But don't get me wrong, NextLevel is an amazing, deep, classy team - clearly the best in the division until somebody (besides MadLax) is able to knock them off.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax/Bethesda combined team beat NL 6-4. Must have been a good game.

Cute, but "combined team" is a stretch. The ML Capital roster has 5 former BLC players, roughly the number that all good teams try to add each year.

How many times in a row has MadLax beaten NextLevel - I am losing track.

But don't get me wrong, NextLevel is an amazing, deep, classy team - clearly the best in the division until somebody (besides MadLax) is able to knock them off.

We've beaten NL 2 in a row without the middie referred to above. The parents have been very happy he wasn't playing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax/Bethesda combined team beat NL 6-4. Must have been a good game.

Cute, but "combined team" is a stretch. The ML Capital roster has 5 former BLC players, roughly the number that all good teams try to add each year.

How many times in a row has MadLax beaten NextLevel - I am losing track.

But don't get me wrong, NextLevel is an amazing, deep, classy team - clearly the best in the division until somebody (besides MadLax) is able to knock them off.

We've beaten NL 2 in a row without the middie referred to above. The parents have been very happy he wasn't playing.

Oh you mean the “monster” middie?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks will beat NL outright and give Madlax/Bethesda all they want.

No they won’t.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax/Bethesda combined team beat NL 6-4. Must have been a good game.

Cute, but "combined team" is a stretch. The ML Capital roster has 5 former BLC players, roughly the number that all good teams try to add each year.

How many times in a row has MadLax beaten NextLevel - I am losing track.

But don't get me wrong, NextLevel is an amazing, deep, classy team - clearly the best in the division until somebody (besides MadLax) is able to knock them off.

We've beaten NL 2 in a row without the middie referred to above. The parents have been very happy he wasn't playing.

Oh you mean the “monster” middie?

I see the 2027 children have found the site. Yes, he was very good. Now you can go back to fortnite.

Carrot top.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks will beat NL outright and give Madlax/Bethesda all they want.

No they won’t.

The Hawks will win HOCO for a 3rd time and all you lost wannabes from Nova and Moco will be crying once again. The Hawks are inevitable. You ALL know that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks will beat NL outright and give Madlax/Bethesda all they want.

No they won’t.

The Hawks will win HOCO for a 3rd time and all you lost wannabes from Nova and Moco will be crying once again. The Hawks are inevitable. You ALL know that.

Nah, they won’t.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks will beat NL outright and give Madlax/Bethesda all they want.

No they won’t.

The Hawks will win HOCO for a 3rd time and all you lost wannabes from Nova and Moco will be crying once again. The Hawks are inevitable. You ALL know that.

Take the Hawks trolling to the 26 forum where it belongs.

The Hawks will be difficult to beat. HoCo is simply a warm up for when they face tougher teams during the summer. Hawks are in a different class.

The Hawks will win HoCo. Neither NL or ML have the horses to run with Hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks will beat NL outright and give Madlax/Bethesda all they want.

No they won’t.

The Hawks will win HOCO for a 3rd time and all you lost wannabes from Nova and Moco will be crying once again. The Hawks are inevitable. You ALL know that.

Wrong forum. This is 2027.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Carrot top.

Did he choose another sport? Just curious.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks will win HoCo. Neither NL or ML have the horses to run with Hawks.

Lol, all 2 of them.... no secret here...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Carrot top.

Stop talking about people’s children. Get a life.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks will beat NL outright and give Madlax/Bethesda all they want.

No they won’t.

The Hawks will win HOCO for a 3rd time and all you lost wannabes from Nova and Moco will be crying once again. The Hawks are inevitable. You ALL know that.

Wrong forum. This is 2027.

Hawks 2027 won it 3rd grade. 4th grade. Would certainly have won it last year in 5th grade but Covid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks will beat NL outright and give Madlax/Bethesda all they want.

No they won’t.

The Hawks will win HOCO for a 3rd time and all you lost wannabes from Nova and Moco will be crying once again. The Hawks are inevitable. You ALL know that.

Wrong forum. This is 2027.

Hawks 2027 won it 3rd grade. 4th grade. Would certainly have won it last year in 5th grade but Covid.

I hope they enjoyed those two 'ships as 3rd and 4th graders.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks will beat NL outright and give Madlax/Bethesda all they want.

No they won’t.

The Hawks will win HOCO for a 3rd time and all you lost wannabes from Nova and Moco will be crying once again. The Hawks are inevitable. You ALL know that.

Wrong forum. This is 2027.

Hawks 2027 won it 3rd grade. 4th grade. Would certainly have won it last year in 5th grade but Covid.

I hope they enjoyed those two 'ships as 3rd and 4th graders.

What's even more special is the Hawks running a zone defense at this age, and younger. Don't worry about developing athletes and the skills that come from running man to man, because it's not really about development. It's all about winning and look how smart I am with my zone.

The Hawks will win HOCO for a 3rd time and all you lost wannabes from Nova and Moco will be crying once again. The Hawks are inevitable. You ALL know that.[/quote]

Wrong forum. This is 2027.[/quote]

Hawks 2027 won it 3rd grade. 4th grade. Would certainly have won it last year in 5th grade but Covid.[/quote]

I hope they enjoyed those two 'ships as 3rd and 4th graders.[/quote]
What's even more special is the Hawks running a zone defense at this age, and younger. Don't worry about developing athletes and the skills that come from running man to man, because it's not really about development. It's all about winning and look how smart I am with my zone.[/quote]

Very true, the one organization in the area that needs some improving is Hawks. They have never developed any players. Do you think before you type or just take one huge word dump on your keyboard.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's even more special is the Hawks running a zone defense at this age, and younger. Don't worry about developing athletes and the skills that come from running man to man, because it's not really about development. It's all about winning and look how smart I am with my zone.

Much of lacrosse defense is M2M on-ball and zone help off-ball.

I'd argue that as long as you are developing defensive technique on approaches, on-ball play, and slide integrity/rules, what's the gripe? If taught right, a "zone" is essentially no different that M2M with an adjacent or near-man slide. It also takes some of the stress off kids thinking they are on an island, playing defense by themselves. The old-school mentality that "zone is lazy" is wrong. It's played everywhere, at all ages. Get with the times.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks will win HOCO for a 3rd time and all you lost wannabes from Nova and Moco will be crying once again. The Hawks are inevitable. You ALL know that.

Wrong forum. This is 2027.[/quote]

Hawks 2027 won it 3rd grade. 4th grade. Would certainly have won it last year in 5th grade but Covid.[/quote]

I hope they enjoyed those two 'ships as 3rd and 4th graders.[/quote]
What's even more special is the Hawks running a zone defense at this age, and younger. Don't worry about developing athletes and the skills that come from running man to man, because it's not really about development. It's all about winning and look how smart I am with my zone.[/quote]

Very true, the one organization in the area that needs some improving is Hawks. They have never developed any players. Do you think before you type or just take one huge word dump on your keyboard.[/quote]

I think a very strong part of the Hawks program is consistency. In terms of development the amount of kids leaving and not really being any different after a year or two there makes me question if they actually develop all players. Also look at their B teams. Some are truly awful and lose to rec teams. That's not player dev.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's even more special is the Hawks running a zone defense at this age, and younger. Don't worry about developing athletes and the skills that come from running man to man, because it's not really about development. It's all about winning and look how smart I am with my zone.

Much of lacrosse defense is M2M on-ball and zone help off-ball.

I'd argue that as long as you are developing defensive technique on approaches, on-ball play, and slide integrity/rules, what's the gripe? If taught right, a "zone" is essentially no different that M2M with an adjacent or near-man slide. It also takes some of the stress off kids thinking they are on an island, playing defense by themselves. The old-school mentality that "zone is lazy" is wrong. It's played everywhere, at all ages. Get with the times.

Of course you would coach. No one else does it, as their focus is one true skill development.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's even more special is the Hawks running a zone defense at this age, and younger. Don't worry about developing athletes and the skills that come from running man to man, because it's not really about development. It's all about winning and look how smart I am with my zone.

Much of lacrosse defense is M2M on-ball and zone help off-ball.

I'd argue that as long as you are developing defensive technique on approaches, on-ball play, and slide integrity/rules, what's the gripe? If taught right, a "zone" is essentially no different that M2M with an adjacent or near-man slide. It also takes some of the stress off kids thinking they are on an island, playing defense by themselves. The old-school mentality that "zone is lazy" is wrong. It's played everywhere, at all ages. Get with the times.

Of course you would coach. No one else does it, as their focus is one true skill development.

"True" skill development. We train more. We develop more players. Got it.

Ok... let’s hear those predictions for the weekend....

Sat
Crabs big over Sidewinders
Madlax by 5 over FCA

Sun
Madlax big over Team MD
NL by as many as they want over Sidewinders
Crabs by 2 over T91

Game of the week is Hawks FCA
FCA wins a close one by 2-3

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sat
Crabs big over Sidewinders
Madlax by 5 over FCA

Sun
Madlax big over Team MD
NL by as many as they want over Sidewinders
Crabs by 2 over T91

Game of the week is Hawks FCA
FCA wins a close one by 2-3

Not so fast FCA dad. Hawks and FCA have played no less than 15 times over the years. FCA is 0 Fer. Bad take. Hawks win 13-6.

FCA gets blown out by Hawks.
NL is overrated but wins comfortably.
Crabs win.
ML wins big both days. Not even close.

Uh oh. FCA taking losses everywhere! Hawks put it on em. FCA coaches are a bunch of clowns too

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Uh oh. FCA taking losses everywhere! Hawks put it on em. FCA coaches are a bunch of clowns too

Well, I would try and confirm their coaches exp but it's all the same women (happy to see women coaching boys club lax!) in EVERY club on their site. Not the coaches you normally see.

https://fcamdlax.org/boys/teams/boys-2027/

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks will beat NL outright and give Madlax/Bethesda all they want.

No they won’t.

The Hawks will win HOCO for a 3rd time and all you lost wannabes from Nova and Moco will be crying once again. The Hawks are inevitable. You ALL know that

Wrong forum. This is 2027.

Hawks 2027 won it 3rd grade. 4th grade. Would certainly have won it last year in 5th grade but Covid.

I hope they enjoyed those two 'ships as 3rd and 4th graders.
What's even more special is the Hawks running a zone defense at this age, and younger. Don't worry about developing athletes and the skills that come from running man to man, because it's not really about development. It's all about winning and look how smart I am with my zone.

Sorry your son plays on a team that cant win. Hawks are winners

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Uh oh. FCA taking losses everywhere! Hawks put it on em. FCA coaches are a bunch of clowns too

Well, I would try and confirm their coaches exp but it's all the same women (happy to see women coaching boys club lax!) in EVERY club on their site. Not the coaches you normally see.

https://fcamdlax.org/boys/teams/boys-2027/

Buncha daddy ball coaches on a mediocre Middle of the pack squad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks will beat NL outright and give Madlax/Bethesda all they want.

No they won’t.

The Hawks will win HOCO for a 3rd time and all you lost wannabes from Nova and Moco will be crying once again. The Hawks are inevitable. You ALL know that

Wrong forum. This is 2027.

Hawks 2027 won it 3rd grade. 4th grade. Would certainly have won it last year in 5th grade but Covid.

I hope they enjoyed those two 'ships as 3rd and 4th graders.
What's even more special is the Hawks running a zone defense at this age, and younger. Don't worry about developing athletes and the skills that come from running man to man, because it's not really about development. It's all about winning and look how smart I am with my zone.

Sorry your son plays on a team that cant win. Hawks are winners

This is why no one likes the Hawks. Stay humble. LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Uh oh. FCA taking losses everywhere! Hawks put it on em. FCA coaches are a bunch of clowns too

Well, I would try and confirm their coaches exp but it's all the same women (happy to see women coaching boys club lax!) in EVERY club on their site. Not the coaches you normally see.

https://fcamdlax.org/boys/teams/boys-2027/

Buncha daddy ball coaches on a mediocre Middle of the pack squad.

I can think of worse things than having a kid on a “middle of the pack squad” in an elite division of a lax hotbed league. Why so much detest for a team that is so far beneath your greatness?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks will beat NL outright and give Madlax/Bethesda all they want.

No they won’t.

The Hawks will win HOCO for a 3rd time and all you lost wannabes from Nova and Moco will be crying once again. The Hawks are inevitable. You ALL know that

Wrong forum. This is 2027.

Hawks 2027 won it 3rd grade. 4th grade. Would certainly have won it last year in 5th grade but Covid.

I hope they enjoyed those two 'ships as 3rd and 4th graders.
What's even more special is the Hawks running a zone defense at this age, and younger. Don't worry about developing athletes and the skills that come from running man to man, because it's not really about development. It's all about winning and look how smart I am with my zone.

Sorry your son plays on a team that cant win. Hawks are winners

This is why no one likes the Hawks. Stay humble. LOL

Hawks and humble shouldn't be used in the same phrase. It didn't happen in the fall and early spring when they lost all of their games, and it won't happen now when they have beat sub-par teams thus far in HOCO. (Or when they lose both of their games next weekend for that matter.)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks will beat NL outright and give Madlax/Bethesda all they want.

No they won’t.

The Hawks will win HOCO for a 3rd time and all you lost wannabes from Nova and Moco will be crying once again. The Hawks are inevitable. You ALL know that

Wrong forum. This is 2027.

Hawks 2027 won it 3rd grade. 4th grade. Would certainly have won it last year in 5th grade but Covid.

I hope they enjoyed those two 'ships as 3rd and 4th graders.
What's even more special is the Hawks running a zone defense at this age, and younger. Don't worry about developing athletes and the skills that come from running man to man, because it's not really about development. It's all about winning and look how smart I am with my zone.

Sorry your son plays on a team that cant win. Hawks are winners

This is why no one likes the Hawks. Stay humble. LOL

Hawks and humble shouldn't be used in the same phrase. It didn't happen in the fall and early spring when they lost all of their games, and it won't happen now when they have beat sub-par teams thus far in HOCO. (Or when they lose both of their games next weekend for that matter.)

^^the one thing we can ALL agree on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks will beat NL outright and give Madlax/Bethesda all they want.

No they won’t.

The Hawks will win HOCO for a 3rd time and all you lost wannabes from Nova and Moco will be crying once again. The Hawks are inevitable. You ALL know that

Wrong forum. This is 2027.

Hawks 2027 won it 3rd grade. 4th grade. Would certainly have won it last year in 5th grade but Covid.

I hope they enjoyed those two 'ships as 3rd and 4th graders.
What's even more special is the Hawks running a zone defense at this age, and younger. Don't worry about developing athletes and the skills that come from running man to man, because it's not really about development. It's all about winning and look how smart I am with my zone.

Sorry your son plays on a team that cant win. Hawks are winners

This is why no one likes the Hawks. Stay humble. LOL

Hawks and humble shouldn't be used in the same phrase. It didn't happen in the fall and early spring when they lost all of their games, and it won't happen now when they have beat sub-par teams thus far in HOCO. (Or when they lose both of their games next weekend for that matter.)

ZERO chance Hawks lose to NL or Madlax. Nice try. Hawks > Everyone else.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks will beat NL outright and give Madlax/Bethesda all they want.

No they won’t.

The Hawks will win HOCO for a 3rd time and all you lost wannabes from Nova and Moco will be crying once again. The Hawks are inevitable. You ALL know that

Wrong forum. This is 2027.

Hawks 2027 won it 3rd grade. 4th grade. Would certainly have won it last year in 5th grade but Covid.

I hope they enjoyed those two 'ships as 3rd and 4th graders.
What's even more special is the Hawks running a zone defense at this age, and younger. Don't worry about developing athletes and the skills that come from running man to man, because it's not really about development. It's all about winning and look how smart I am with my zone.

Sorry your son plays on a team that cant win. Hawks are winners

This is why no one likes the Hawks. Stay humble. LOL

Hawks and humble shouldn't be used in the same phrase. It didn't happen in the fall and early spring when they lost all of their games, and it won't happen now when they have beat sub-par teams thus far in HOCO. (Or when they lose both of their games next weekend for that matter.)

ZERO chance Hawks lose to NL or Madlax. Nice try. Hawks > Everyone else.

Nice try. Trolls.

This week's predictions

Saturday
Madlax over Hawks by 5

Sunday
FCA beats Team MD by 5
Next Level on upset alert but hang on and win by 1 over Hawks
T91 big over Sidewinders

Game of the week is Madlax vs an improving Crabs team
Crabs keep it close but lose by 2-3

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks will beat NL outright and give Madlax/Bethesda all they want.

No they won’t.

The Hawks will win HOCO for a 3rd time and all you lost wannabes from Nova and Moco will be crying once again. The Hawks are inevitable. You ALL know that

Wrong forum. This is 2027.

Hawks 2027 won it 3rd grade. 4th grade. Would certainly have won it last year in 5th grade but Covid.

I hope they enjoyed those two 'ships as 3rd and 4th graders.
What's even more special is the Hawks running a zone defense at this age, and younger. Don't worry about developing athletes and the skills that come from running man to man, because it's not really about development. It's all about winning and look how smart I am with my zone.

Sorry your son plays on a team that cant win. Hawks are winners

This is why no one likes the Hawks. Stay humble. LOL

Hawks and humble shouldn't be used in the same phrase. It didn't happen in the fall and early spring when they lost all of their games, and it won't happen now when they have beat sub-par teams thus far in HOCO. (Or when they lose both of their games next weekend for that matter.)

ZERO chance Hawks lose to NL or Madlax. Nice try. Hawks > Everyone else.

PLEASE tell us all what it is like to have child on “the best” 11/12 year old lacrosse team. Lol

Also, be sure to drill it into him that he is better than everyone else. I hear that is a character trait that really comes in handy when it comes to things that actually matter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This week's predictions

Saturday
Madlax over Hawks by 5

Sunday
FCA beats Team MD by 5
Next Level on upset alert but hang on and win by 1 over Hawks
T91 big over Sidewinders

Game of the week is Madlax vs an improving Crabs team
Crabs keep it close but lose by 2-3

I agree except I think NL will win by 3, and I can’t see Crabs playing Madlax that close.

I bet that most of the posts from "Hawks parents" are fake, written by parents of other teams just portraying them as fools. Nobody could be as silly in real life as they appear on this board.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I bet that most of the posts from "Hawks parents" are fake, written by parents of other teams just portraying them as fools. Nobody could be as silly in real life as they appear on this board.

Ok Hawks dad.

Kidding.

I'm sure it is (mostly) the case. I also think there is probably only 1 troll that repeatedly comes here to stir the pot and get everyone all worked up over a kid's game. Maybe 2, but I'd be surprised.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks will beat NL outright and give Madlax/Bethesda all they want.

No they won’t.

The Hawks will win HOCO for a 3rd time and all you lost wannabes from Nova and Moco will be crying once again. The Hawks are inevitable. You ALL know that

Wrong forum. This is 2027.

Hawks 2027 won it 3rd grade. 4th grade. Would certainly have won it last year in 5th grade but Covid.

I hope they enjoyed those two 'ships as 3rd and 4th graders.
What's even more special is the Hawks running a zone defense at this age, and younger. Don't worry about developing athletes and the skills that come from running man to man, because it's not really about development. It's all about winning and look how smart I am with my zone.

Sorry your son plays on a team that cant win. Hawks are winners

This is why no one likes the Hawks. Stay humble. LOL

Hawks and humble shouldn't be used in the same phrase. It didn't happen in the fall and early spring when they lost all of their games, and it won't happen now when they have beat sub-par teams thus far in HOCO. (Or when they lose both of their games next weekend for that matter.)

Tough to be humble when you are winning and dominating. Sometimes you win and sometimes you get schooled.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks will beat NL outright and give Madlax/Bethesda all they want.

No they won’t.

The Hawks will win HOCO for a 3rd time and all you lost wannabes from Nova and Moco will be crying once again. The Hawks are inevitable. You ALL know that

Wrong forum. This is 2027.

Hawks 2027 won it 3rd grade. 4th grade. Would certainly have won it last year in 5th grade but Covid.

I hope they enjoyed those two 'ships as 3rd and 4th graders.
What's even more special is the Hawks running a zone defense at this age, and younger. Don't worry about developing athletes and the skills that come from running man to man, because it's not really about development. It's all about winning and look how smart I am with my zone.

Sorry your son plays on a team that cant win. Hawks are winners

This is why no one likes the Hawks. Stay humble. LOL

Hawks and humble shouldn't be used in the same phrase. It didn't happen in the fall and early spring when they lost all of their games, and it won't happen now when they have beat sub-par teams thus far in HOCO. (Or when they lose both of their games next weekend for that matter.)

ZERO chance Hawks lose to NL or Madlax. Nice try. Hawks > Everyone else.

PLEASE tell us all what it is like to have child on “the best” 11/12 year old lacrosse team. Lol

Also, be sure to drill it into him that he is better than everyone else. I hear that is a character trait that really comes in handy when it comes to things that actually matter.

Please tell us what it is like when your son makes an elite team. Winners gravitate to winning teams no matter what age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I bet that most of the posts from "Hawks parents" are fake, written by parents of other teams just portraying them as fools. Nobody could be as silly in real life as they appear on this board.

Don’t kid yourself. It’s Hawks parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks will beat NL outright and give Madlax/Bethesda all they want.

No they won’t.

The Hawks will win HOCO for a 3rd time and all you lost wannabes from Nova and Moco will be crying once again. The Hawks are inevitable. You ALL know that

Wrong forum. This is 2027.

Hawks 2027 won it 3rd grade. 4th grade. Would certainly have won it last year in 5th grade but Covid.

I hope they enjoyed those two 'ships as 3rd and 4th graders.
What's even more special is the Hawks running a zone defense at this age, and younger. Don't worry about developing athletes and the skills that come from running man to man, because it's not really about development. It's all about winning and look how smart I am with my zone.

Sorry your son plays on a team that cant win. Hawks are winners

This is why no one likes the Hawks. Stay humble. LOL

Hawks and humble shouldn't be used in the same phrase. It didn't happen in the fall and early spring when they lost all of their games, and it won't happen now when they have beat sub-par teams thus far in HOCO. (Or when they lose both of their games next weekend for that matter.)

Tough to be humble when you are winning and dominating. Sometimes you win and sometimes you get schooled.

If you think this is a Hawks parent I have a bridge to sell you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This week's predictions

Saturday
Madlax over Hawks by 5

Sunday
FCA beats Team MD by 5
Next Level on upset alert but hang on and win by 1 over Hawks
T91 big over Sidewinders

Game of the week is Madlax vs an improving Crabs team
Crabs keep it close but lose by 2-3

ML by 8 vs hawks
FCA by 1 over Tmd
NL by at least 4-5
91 easy
ML by 9-10

Ml by 3 over Hawks
Hawks by 2 over NL (NL now has a bunch of starters out for various reasons)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ml by 3 over Hawks
Hawks by 2 over NL (NL now has a bunch of starters out for various reasons)

Sounds fishy. If Madlax starters start getting taken out I'm turning Hogan in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ml by 3 over Hawks
Hawks by 2 over NL (NL now has a bunch of starters out for various reasons)

Sounds fishy. If Madlax starters start getting taken out I'm turning Hogan in.

What are you talking about?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ml by 3 over Hawks
Hawks by 2 over NL (NL now has a bunch of starters out for various reasons)

Sounds fishy. If Madlax starters start getting taken out I'm turning Hogan in.

What are you talking about?

The Hawks play MadLax and NextLevel this weekend, so the PP is saying the Hawks did a Tonya Harding on NL, and might do the same to ML. Get it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ml by 3 over Hawks
Hawks by 2 over NL (NL now has a bunch of starters out for various reasons)

Sounds fishy. If Madlax starters start getting taken out I'm turning Hogan in.

What are you talking about?

The Hawks play MadLax and NextLevel this weekend, so the PP is saying the Hawks did a Tonya Harding on NL, and might do the same to ML. Get it?

Nope, I don't get it. Because the Hawks haven't played NL yet. NL already has a bunch of kids out before they've played the Hawks. It appears like the ML poster misread the post or tried to be clever and it didn't work.

Tonya Harding hired a bud to take out her main competitor BEFORE the competition. Now do you get it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tonya Harding hired a bud to take out her main competitor BEFORE the competition. Now do you get it?

I get that you are a dope. It's not funny if you have to explain it 3x.

Hey Nancy Kerrigan take a break!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Tonya Harding hired a bud to take out her main competitor BEFORE the competition. Now do you get it?

I get that you are a dope. It's not funny if you have to explain it 3x.

Hawks Dad seems a bit edgy. I wonder why?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tonya Harding hired a bud to take out her main competitor BEFORE the competition. Now do you get it?

I get that you are a dope. It's not funny if you have to explain it 3x.

Hawks dad - I did not make the joke and I never said it was funny. But the fact that I had to explain it twice (not 3x) for your benefit does make somebody seem like a bit of a dope.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tonya Harding hired a bud to take out her main competitor BEFORE the competition. Now do you get it?

I get that you are a dope. It's not funny if you have to explain it 3x.

Hawks dad - I did not make the joke and I never said it was funny. But the fact that I had to explain it twice (not 3x) for your benefit does make somebody seem like a bit of a dope.

1. Original post about reporting to Hogan
2. First Tonya Harding post
3. 2nd Tonya Harding post explaining the 1st
4. The response saying it wasn't you...

It was a notIntelligent post that didn't make sense and wasn't funny.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tonya Harding hired a bud to take out her main competitor BEFORE the competition. Now do you get it?

I get that you are a dope. It's not funny if you have to explain it 3x.

Hawks dad - I did not make the joke and I never said it was funny. But the fact that I had to explain it twice (not 3x) for your benefit does make somebody seem like a bit of a dope.

1. Original post about reporting to Hogan
2. First Tonya Harding post
3. 2nd Tonya Harding post explaining the 1st
4. The response saying it wasn't you...

It was a notIntelligent post that didn't make sense and wasn't funny.

Awesome, we agree that post # was not funny, and that it has been analyzed more than enough. Turning back to lacrosse, I sure hope your son's team doesn't get smoked twice in one weekend!

Sorry Hawks haters.

Two nice wins this weekend for the Hawks. But Madlax will get it done in the end.

They better because so far the 2025, 2026,2027,2028 and 2029 teams have all LOST to the hawks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They better because so far the 2025, 2026,2027,2028 and 2029 teams have all LOST to the hawks

2026,2027, 2028, 2029 Hawks = undefeated headed into the playoffs. Sorry folks. Hawks are inevitable.

Have times for this weekend's playoffs been announced? I don't see them on GHC site- inside info anyone?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have times for this weekend's playoffs been announced? I don't see them on GHC site- inside info anyone?

2027 Elite
Semi-final Saturday
#2 vs #3 - 2:00pm @ Blandair #2
#1 vs #4 - 3:30 pm @ Blandair #2

Championship Sunday
Troy #1 @ 1:30pm

2027 AAA
Semi-final Saturday
#2 vs #3 - 11:00am @ Blandair #2
#1 vs #4 - 12:30 pm @ Blandair #2

Championship Sunday
Troy #2 @ 1:45pm

2027 AA
Semi-final Saturday
#2 vs #3 - 8:00am @ Troy #1
#1 vs #4 - 9:30am @ Troy #1

Championship Sunday
Troy #4 @ 11:15am

2027 A
Quarterfinal Friday
#4 vs #5 - 6:00pm @ Cedar Lane #6

Semi-final Saturday
#1 vs #4/5 winner - 5:30pm @ Troy #4
#2 vs #3 - 6:30 pm@ Troy #4

Championship Sunday
Troy #3 @ 2:00pm

Congrats to the Annapolis Hawks. Have won every HOCO championship since 3rd grade

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to the Annapolis Hawks. Have won every HOCO championship since 3rd grade

Good job 26ers!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to the Annapolis Hawks. Have won every HOCO championship since 3rd grade

Good job 26ers!

They won also!

Quiet Board here. Tryout season fast approaching. Any interesting news from any of the programs?

Some shakeups coming to AAA and Elite clubs. Hearing 2-3 new teams are entering the arena from Baltimore and surrounding areas.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Quiet Board here. Tryout season fast approaching. Any interesting news from any of the programs?

Recently saw that Predators Lacrosse (NY) is moving in to the Balto area with 2027-2030 teams planned.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Quiet Board here. Tryout season fast approaching. Any interesting news from any of the programs?

Recently saw that Predators Lacrosse (NY) is moving in to the Balto area with 2027-2030 teams planned.

Good to know. Wouldn't be surprised to see Sweetlax eventually.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Quiet Board here. Tryout season fast approaching. Any interesting news from any of the programs?

Recently saw that Predators Lacrosse (NY) is moving in to the Balto area with 2027-2030 teams planned.

Good to know. Wouldn't be surprised to see Sweetlax eventually.

Does anyone think that the failure of a national brand like 3d in MD will discourage more of these organizations from setting up here? With 40+ programs already seems like the talent pool is getting pretty shallow.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Quiet Board here. Tryout season fast approaching. Any interesting news from any of the programs?

I heard Cavaliers used a high school goalie in the 3rd division playoffs and had to forfeit. Ironically, it was against ML B team. The cheat was so egregious HoCo suspended their protest rule to allow ML to play the following weekend. Another good luck for youth sports.

I guess True 27 didn't train enough for their NAL appearance. Also sent some of their Green players to help their white players in Summer Exposure. Not much there either! Train more!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Quiet Board here. Tryout season fast approaching. Any interesting news from any of the programs?

Recently saw that Predators Lacrosse (NY) is moving in to the Balto area with 2027-2030 teams planned.

Good to know. Wouldn't be surprised to see Sweetlax eventually.

Does anyone think that the failure of a national brand like 3d in MD will discourage more of these organizations from setting up here? With 40+ programs already seems like the talent pool is getting pretty shallow.

You would think it would. But there is always someone or club with a good speech looking for more money to convince some parents they are what their son needs. After lining their pockets the hucksters leave with another club taking their place with fresh parents looking for the same thing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess True 27 didn't train enough for their NAL appearance. Also sent some of their Green players to help their white players in Summer Exposure. Not much there either! Train more!

Hey, B-level kids need a place to play too.

Lots of B-level kids love to pay....I mean "train" with True.

I’m not sure why so much detest for true. There older teams are good and they were just couple years to late for 27. All the better kids from Annapolis area are already on other clubs. I will say they don’t have the toxic environment that some of these other teams do.

These are kids trying to have fun with a sport. What’s the big deal?

No detest here, but certainly annoyance and slight amusement. Shake my head at it, really.

They actively recruit rec-level kids and shove them into "club" environments where they don't belong.

They regularly water down the leagues and tournaments they enter. Just last weekend, they entered JV A and lost to Crabs 20-0 at Summer Exposure. Gee thanks.

Hashtags and fluorescent uniforms don't equate to culture. There is no toxic culture because there is no culture whatsoever. It's an extension of "Planet Fitness" in the lacrosse world. Have money? You too can play "club lacrosse!" Like many lax clubs//soccer clubs they are another example of what's ruined lacrosse and youth sports in general- money.

On the positive side, they do a great job of selling a dream to kids and parents.

I think you confused this is about 2027! Anybody club below elite level you could make the same argument that there a ton of rec kids.

At the 2027 level True Annapolis was top in AAA HoCo. Seems like they have a pretty good squad. Not elite but really there are only a few of those teams in the area Hawks, Next Level, Madlax.

Just saw true Baltimore at a tourney. Total disgrace. Coaches, parents, players, top to bottom were everything that is wrong with youth lacrosse. I would be embarrassed to run with that crew

True Baltimore is So low class I couldn’t believe my eyes. Coaches being poor role models, parents being poor role models, and wouldn’t you know they had a player ejected from the tourney(not the game, the tourney). Steer clear of these clowns.

They will probably struggle moving up to elite. I agree those 3 teams are best in elite but for some reason madlax lost to legacy and bbl at NAL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True Baltimore is So low class I couldn’t believe my eyes. Coaches being poor role models, parents being poor role models, and wouldn’t you know they had a player ejected from the tourney(not the game, the tourney). Steer clear of these clowns.

Dont look in mirror. Might not like what you see.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True Baltimore is So low class I couldn’t believe my eyes. Coaches being poor role models, parents being poor role models, and wouldn’t you know they had a player ejected from the tourney(not the game, the tourney). Steer clear of these clowns.

Which tournament? I saw some issues at Summer Exposure. Some parents on the sideline were very reasonable and friendly, others obnoxious. Do they have a green and white too?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True Baltimore is So low class I couldn’t believe my eyes. Coaches being poor role models, parents being poor role models, and wouldn’t you know they had a player ejected from the tourney(not the game, the tourney). Steer clear of these clowns.

Which tournament? I saw some issues at Summer Exposure. Some parents on the sideline were very reasonable and friendly, others obnoxious. Do they have a green and white too?

DE Blue Hen. No color designation. There may have been some friendly parents, but the loud obnoxious ones quickly became the focal point, drowning out all sense of sportsmanship and decency. Literally shocking to see.

Just ignore them and be glad that they aren’t parents on your kids team.

Ok enough of people trashing True and Hawks. Anyone think the elite division will get a new competition at the top. Also anyone have early predictions for next year top to bottom.

Hawks
other team
other team
other team
other team
other team
other team

any other questions?

Imagine that a hawks dad with first reply. Look we all know hawks are good. But remember other teams are going to add kids next year and hawks have basically remained the same. It’s only takes another team to add some talent to knock them off top spot. It’s not like hawks are undefeated this year

How about this:

Hawks
NextLevel
MadLax
other team
other team
other team
other team
AAA champ

Hawks
Next Level
Mad Lax
Crabs
Team 91
Team Md
FCA
True Annapolis
Predators

Multiple kids moving from Crabs FCA Mad Lax

Hawks
Next Level
Mad Lax
Crabs
Team 91
Team Md
FCA
True Annapolis
Predators

Coaching changes with Crabs and FCA will have multiple kids moving around.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks
Next Level
Mad Lax
Crabs
Team 91
Team Md
FCA
True Annapolis
Predators

Coaching changes with Crabs and FCA will have multiple kids moving around.

Not to mention at least 1 kid from FCA is reclassing.

Hawks
Next Level
Mad Lax
Crabs
Team 91
PA RR - beat both team Maryland this year, FCA and True Annapolis 3 times, although hawks and Mad Lax beat them bad can't leave RR out if FCA and True are there
Team Md
FCA
True Annapolis
Predators

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks
Next Level
Mad Lax
Crabs
Team 91
PA RR - beat both team Maryland this year, FCA and True Annapolis 3 times, although hawks and Mad Lax beat them bad can't leave RR out if FCA and True are there
Team Md
FCA
True Annapolis
Predators

I detest to break to you, but PA RR is not Maryland team. We will adopt you if you like though for 26s and 27s since you guys are far better than MD RR at those ages and always seem to be playing MD teams.

Does anyone honestly think a brand new team to this area(predators) belongs on this list.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks
Next Level
Mad Lax
Crabs
Team 91
PA RR - beat both team Maryland this year, FCA and True Annapolis 3 times, although hawks and Mad Lax beat them bad can't leave RR out if FCA and True are there
Team Md
FCA
True Annapolis
Predators

I detest to break to you, but PA RR is not Maryland team. We will adopt you if you like though for 26s and 27s since you guys are far better than MD RR at those ages and always seem to be playing MD teams.

The true team that PA RR beat wasn’t there A team it’s there B team and they only won by 1-2-4. I’m not saying there bad but Would hardly say that makes you a elite team

True Green is THEIR A team and White is their B I thought, unless their A team is ranked much lower than the B team

Also PA roughriders combines with Mesa kids sometimes at some of these tournaments. I would take any of the MD teams to beat them unless they make their Allstar team with Mesa!

What the deal with the Preds? Kids gonna jump ship to play for them? I’d skeptical. But will be interesting to see. I think it’s gonna be a St Paul’s middle school offering.

2027 Hawks playoffs are July 31 and Aug 8th. Instead to trashing the best team/organization (at all grade levels), have your son try out and maximize his potential. I understand the Hawks are looking for poles, lsm, middies, attack, and a goalie. Don't be scared!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2027 Hawks playoffs are July 31 and Aug 8th. Instead to trashing the best team/organization (at all grade levels), have your son try out and maximize his potential. I understand the Hawks are looking for poles, lsm, middies, attack, and a goalie. Don't be scared!

Yeah!!!

It will definitely be an interesting year with Predators coming to the area. Sounds like FCA may not even have enough players next season. Players and coaches from several clubs will be a part of the off season shuffle.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone honestly think a brand new team to this area(predators) belongs on this list.

Yes, Will be elite by end of year . Heard it here first folks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone honestly think a brand new team to this area(predators) belongs on this list.

Yes, Will be elite by end of year . Heard it here first folks

Zero chance . Be lucky if they can beat true by end of the year

Good for kids to have options if clubs aren’t delivering on promises.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It will definitely be an interesting year with Predators coming to the area. Sounds like FCA may not even have enough players next season. Players and coaches from several clubs will be a part of the off season shuffle.

What coaches are moving around? Where are they all going?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone honestly think a brand new team to this area(predators) belongs on this list.

Yes, Will be elite by end of year . Heard it here first folks

Zero chance . Be lucky if they can beat true by end of the year

Watch. Predators are for real. Already are making noise

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone honestly think a brand new team to this area(predators) belongs on this list.

Yes, Will be elite by end of year . Heard it here first folks

Zero chance . Be lucky if they can beat true by end of the year

By end of year, it will be Hawks, Crabs, Predator's and MadLax fighting for top 4. 91/FCA and NL are weak and will get exposed .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone honestly think a brand new team to this area(predators) belongs on this list.

Yes, Will be elite by end of year . Heard it here first folks

Zero chance . Be lucky if they can beat true by end of the year

Watch. Predators are for real. Already are making noise

What noise are they making? They haven't even formed a single team yet.

I think your thinking of Team PA which is a PA all star team that meets just for tournaments. The Mesa combine was once with two of their players, one that joined RR full time after that

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone honestly think a brand new team to this area(predators) belongs on this list.

Yes, Will be elite by end of year . Heard it here first folks

Zero chance . Be lucky if they can beat true by end of the year

By end of year, it will be Hawks, Crabs, Predator's and MadLax fighting for top 4. 91/FCA and NL are weak and will get exposed .

Predators don’t belong in this conversation. If they were to have a chance to complete they would need core group of kids from another elite team which we all know isn’t happening. There going to get kids to go there because they think their kid should play more then they did last year. Also they think it’s feeder to St. Paul. Not sure why you think NL is weak. Madlax has fallen of some in summer but not sure why. FCA will definitely fall due to team splitting up.

Surprising champion at Naptown!

They are a good team. Championship could have gone either way. New coach for Nationals still getting to know the team. Hawks fell apart. They didn't look good at all in the semis.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Surprising champion at Naptown!

not if you know about anything about the ADVNC/AquaHound program! the best from the west!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are a good team. Championship could have gone either way. New coach for Nationals still getting to know the team. Hawks fell apart. They didn't look good at all in the semis.

Hawks melted in the heat. Advnc looked tough.

Team Md gave Advnc a really competitive game in quarterfinals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are a good team. Championship could have gone either way. New coach for Nationals still getting to know the team. Hawks fell apart. They didn't look good at all in the semis.

Hawks melted in the heat. Advnc looked tough.

What team does your son play for?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Surprising champion at Naptown!

Hawks got exposed for being a weak team. Finally faced some tough competition and results are expected

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Surprising champion at Naptown!

Hawks got exposed for being a weak team. Finally faced some tough competition and results are expected

The best part was listening to whiny faceoff dad in the stands.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Surprising champion at Naptown!

Hawks got exposed for being a weak team. Finally faced some tough competition and results are expected

The best part was listening to whiny faceoff dad in the stands.

None of the top 20 teams in div I is undefeated for 2021. You learn from losing and winning.

I am a big fan of the NAL and NLF tournaments. All of these allstar club teams forming is ridiculous in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Surprising champion at Naptown!

Hawks got exposed for being a weak team. Finally faced some tough competition and results are expected

The best part was listening to whiny faceoff dad in the stands.

thats the 6th L this year, bet their parents are losing it, calling for coaches heads lol!

all things considered though- they are still and will continue to be a very good team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Surprising champion at Naptown!

Hawks got exposed for being a weak team. Finally faced some tough competition and results are expected

The best part was listening to whiny faceoff dad in the stands.

None of the top 20 teams in div I is undefeated for 2021. You learn from losing and winning.

I'd argue you learn more from losses than wins.
Wins just perpetuate the bad habits.

What teams are planning on having WSYL next season, here in the DMV

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What teams are planning on having WSYL next season, here in the DMV

Good question. Are any of the teams here good enough to win a national tournament on age?

Black ops and Madlax Monuments I would assume?

I know exactly which Dad you are talking about. I actually try to sit a row or two behind him for the comedic value.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know exactly which Dad you are talking about. I actually try to sit a row or two behind him for the comedic value.

What?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know exactly which Dad you are talking about. I actually try to sit a row or two behind him for the comedic value.

What?

Face Off Dad. Hilarious, Worth the time to go to their game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know exactly which Dad you are talking about. I actually try to sit a row or two behind him for the comedic value.

What?

Face Off Dad. Hilarious, Worth the time to go to their game.

For what team? Hawks??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know exactly which Dad you are talking about. I actually try to sit a row or two behind him for the comedic value.

What?

Face Off Dad. Hilarious, Worth the time to go to their game.

For what team? Hawks??

That dude is a train wreck. Embarrassing to say the least.

Just wanted to share an outside perspective from Naptown Challenge. My sons team did not fare so well in 2027 division but here is my take; The officiating was outstanding. The opposing teams sidelines were top notch. The talent level at this tourney was impressive (and expected). Facilities were also outstanding. Great tourney!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just wanted to share an outside perspective from Naptown Challenge. My sons team did not fare so well in 2027 division but here is my take; The officiating was outstanding. The opposing teams sidelines were top notch. The talent level at this tourney was impressive (and expected). Facilities were also outstanding. Great tourney!

Thanks Matt!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know exactly which Dad you are talking about. I actually try to sit a row or two behind him for the comedic value.

What?

Face Off Dad. Hilarious, Worth the time to go to their game.

For what team? Hawks??

That dude is a train wreck. Embarrassing to say the least.

Just spotted him in Delaware at Adrenaline

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know exactly which Dad you are talking about. I actually try to sit a row or two behind him for the comedic value.

What?

Face Off Dad. Hilarious, Worth the time to go to their game.

For what team? Hawks??

That dude is a train wreck. Embarrassing to say the least.

Just spotted him in Delaware at Adrenaline

Worth the drive to see him babble and rant. Better than any TV show.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What teams are planning on having WSYL next season, here in the DMV

Good question. Are any of the teams here good enough to win a national tournament on age?

Whoever is going, just know that the rules are very loose, so feel free to break them. 14u LI 91 used a player, who won the finals MVP and is from Texas. He used to live in LI.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For what team? Hawks??

That dude is a train wreck. Embarrassing to say the least.

Just spotted him in Delaware at Adrenaline

Worth the drive to see him babble and rant. Better than any TV show.[/quote]

Hawks weren’t even there. What gives?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For what team? Hawks??

That dude is a train wreck. Embarrassing to say the least.

Just spotted him in Delaware at Adrenaline

Worth the drive to see him babble and rant. Better than any TV show.

Hawks weren’t even there. What gives?[/quote]

Looks like maybe playing for another squad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For what team? Hawks??

That dude is a train wreck. Embarrassing to say the least.

Just spotted him in Delaware at Adrenaline

Worth the drive to see him babble and rant. Better than any TV show.

Hawks weren’t even there. What gives?

Looks like maybe playing for another squad[/quote]

His boy is reclassing. Playing with 28 Nationals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That dude is a train wreck. Embarrassing to say the least.

Just spotted him in Delaware at Adrenaline

Worth the drive to see him babble and rant. Better than any TV show.

Hawks weren’t even there. What gives?

Looks like maybe playing for another squad

His boy is reclassing. Playing with 28 Nationals.

We’ll mark him down as one who can’t play on age.

So we’ll have to go to the Hawks 28 games to see him? Sad!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So we’ll have to go to the Hawks 28 games to see him? Sad!

Maybe True 2028

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So we’ll have to go to the Hawks 28 games to see him? Sad!

Maybe True 2028

The dad is a clown. But leave the kid out of it. He was an above average 27 player. He will be really good at 28.
Maybe he will join the Crabs movement.

Does anybody think the 27 hawks coach is going to make it back next year. With them only winning 1 (terrible) tournament out of 3 so far you would think parents are calling hogan asking for his head.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So we’ll have to go to the Hawks 28 games to see him? Sad!

Maybe True 2028

The dad is a clown. But leave the kid out of it. He was an above average 27 player. He will be really good at 28.
Maybe he will join the Crabs movement.

Doesn’t true play on Kent Island? Or was that just the talk when USS was being folded in?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So we’ll have to go to the Hawks 28 games to see him? Sad!

Maybe True 2028

The dad is a clown. But leave the kid out of it. He was an above average 27 player. He will be really good at 28.
Maybe he will join the Crabs movement.

Unfortunately, high school and college programs look at the parents of players they are recruiting and steer clear of parents who will embarrass the school. It’s a shame this guy doesn’t get that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So we’ll have to go to the Hawks 28 games to see him? Sad!

Maybe True 2028

The dad is a clown. But leave the kid out of it. He was an above average 27 player. He will be really good at 28.
Maybe he will join the Crabs movement.

Doesn’t true play on Kent Island? Or was that just the talk when USS was being folded in?

True Annapolis is a lot of old USS kids I believe.
You guys shouldn’t be talking about individual people or players. Kinda cowardly.

The guy once yelled "step on their throats" during a sixth grade game!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The guy once yelled "step on their throats" during a sixth grade game!

Pretty amazing actually

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The guy once yelled "step on their throats" during a sixth grade game!

Pretty amazing actually

Who did? Hawks face off dad????

Can’t be real

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The guy once yelled "step on their throats" during a sixth grade game!

Pretty amazing actually

Who did? Hawks face off dad????

Can’t be real

But was he wrong though??? Hahaha

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The guy once yelled "step on their throats" during a sixth grade game!

So basically you’re saying you heard it and said nothing. Then you decided to come on here anonymously and share. What a coward. If you were so offended you should have said something to him directly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The guy once yelled "step on their throats" during a sixth grade game!

So basically you’re saying you heard it and said nothing. Then you decided to come on here anonymously and share. What a coward. If you were so offended you should have said something to him directly.

umm...this guy must be Hawk's dad. Anger Management bro...I think the point isn't who confronted who. but rather the inappropriateness of the comment in and of itself. Do you think that is an appropriate thing to yell at a youth lacrosse game? I do not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The guy once yelled "step on their throats" during a sixth grade game!

So basically you’re saying you heard it and said nothing. Then you decided to come on here anonymously and share. What a coward. If you were so offended you should have said something to him directly.

umm...this guy must be Hawk's dad. Anger Management bro...I think the point isn't who confronted who. but rather the inappropriateness of the comment in and of itself. Do you think that is an appropriate thing to yell at a youth lacrosse game? I do not.

No but I bet you gave him a high five when he said it.

Hit the wall!!!! Step on their throats!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The guy once yelled "step on their throats" during a sixth grade game!

So basically you’re saying you heard it and said nothing. Then you decided to come on here anonymously and share. What a coward. If you were so offended you should have said something to him directly.

People want to enjoy watching their sons play lacrosse, not police your ridiculous behavior.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The guy once yelled "step on their throats" during a sixth grade game!

So basically you’re saying you heard it and said nothing. Then you decided to come on here anonymously and share. What a coward. If you were so offended you should have said something to him directly.

The people who ought to say something are the other Hawks parents, and Matt Hogan, and of course the guy's own son. Fortunately, he is not my problem.

Zero chance that Dad is on BOTC. Y’all are crazy

Lots of kids jumping clubs this year from multiple teams. Also kids moving down. Will be interesting to see how the top 4 teams are. I think we all know what rest looks like. And please don’t bring up the predators again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zero chance that Dad is on BOTC. Y’all are crazy

Really? The post calling people cowards for choosing not to argue with you on the sidelines sounds like something you would say.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zero chance that Dad is on BOTC. Y’all are crazy

Really? The post calling people cowards for choosing not to argue with you on the sidelines sounds like something you would say.

No one is saying you should argue. Really people, there are so many wonderful families and clubs involved in lacrosse. Why do you insist on obsessing about a few bad apples?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zero chance that Dad is on BOTC. Y’all are crazy

Really? The post calling people cowards for choosing not to argue with you on the sidelines sounds like something you would say.

Says the anonymous instigator. Just hilarious. This board and its stunad parents are unreal.

Kids that are GOOD, kids that play at the highest level. Kids that are bound for bigger and better things in lacrosse..... their parents are NOT here posting on BOTC, nor do they care about what some B-league parents are spewing on an anon board.

My child is just starting. I played high level lacrosse in college but I don’t think my child is bound for that path. Not sure I even want him to be given what I have read from these wannabe parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zero chance that Dad is on BOTC. Y’all are crazy

Really? The post calling people cowards for choosing not to argue with you on the sidelines sounds like something you would say.

Says the anonymous instigator. Just hilarious. This board and its stunad parents are unreal.

Kids that are GOOD, kids that play at the highest level. Kids that are bound for bigger and better things in lacrosse..... their parents are NOT here posting on BOTC, nor do they care about what some B-league parents are spewing on an anon board.

My child is just starting. I played high level lacrosse in college but I don’t think my child is bound for that path. Not sure I even want him to be given what I have read from these wannabe parents.

You sound awfully invested in defending the "other dad's" silly behavior and explaining why he would never be on this board. Just saying.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zero chance that Dad is on BOTC. Y’all are crazy

Really? The post calling people cowards for choosing not to argue with you on the sidelines sounds like something you would say.

Says the anonymous instigator. Just hilarious. This board and its stunad parents are unreal.

Kids that are GOOD, kids that play at the highest level. Kids that are bound for bigger and better things in lacrosse..... their parents are NOT here posting on BOTC, nor do they care about what some B-league parents are spewing on an anon board.

My child is just starting. I played high level lacrosse in college but I don’t think my child is bound for that path. Not sure I even want him to be given what I have read from these wannabe parents.

You sound awfully invested in defending the "other dad's" silly behavior and explaining why he would never be on this board. Just saying.

I don’t even know this person you keep referencing. My point was a broader take.

Get ready for the "POACHING EMAILS" from Crabs 2027 Coaches. Just received one for my son and I'm sure many others did as well.

Such a shame that Crabs feels the need to always stoop so low. Such a poor culture all around for theses kids and families. The sad part is that people buy into this. I was blind and did it with my older son, and then bam the high school teams came and all of a sudden we only had 6 players from the state of Maryland and bunch of "National Team" guys from all over. I'll pass..................

Hi *******,
Your son has been identified as a talented 2027 lacrosse player who would be a great addition to our Crabs 2027 lacrosse team. This is a personal invitation to be part of a very special team that will be coached by John Kenneally and Dan LaMonica.
Our 7th grade team is a practice first team and we believe in player development and intense team training. Our team will work hard both in the quantity and quality of practices. However, we believe in multi-sport athletes and that your son’s in season sport should come first. Starting with the last weekend in February, lacrosse becomes the in season sport and will then come first.
We run fast paced practices that are competitive and very instructional. When working with your son, we use the part to whole method of teaching the IQ side of lacrosse. Both of us are teachers of the game who will create a strong team culture and a great experience for your son. We are very positive, upbeat and focused on building your son’s skills and confidence.
This team will play in the Howard County Spring league at the top level. In addition, we will travel to at least 6 tournaments (including the Fall, Spring and Summer). We have had a lot of interest in our 2027 team and we anticipate that we will be a top team that will play in the most selective tournaments. If we are able to obtain some sponsors, we may travel to Lake Placid, Vail or Texas for a tournament. We will also schedule some play days and we will seek to play top teams who are in town over the year.
During the off season, we will practice once a week, typically on Sunday mornings (starting after Labor Day). Beginning with the last weekend of February, we will practice four times a week (typically, Sat, Sun, and two week nights) until games start in late March. Thereafter, we typically practice Sat, and two week nights with games on Sunday. Playing on a top club team is a big commitment and requires a significant level of dedication.
Although we are very interested in your son, Crabs has open try-outs for spots on our 2027 team on the following dates:
Tuesday July 13th 7PM to 8:30 PM@ RPCS Upper Turf
Thursday July 15th 7PM to 8:30 PM @ RPCS Upper Turf
We are sincerely interested in your son and we hope to see him at tryouts. Please go to https://crabslax.com/ to register for tryouts as soon as possible. If you have any questions please call John Kenneally @ 410-561-7051 (jkenneally@jlkcpas.com) or Dan LaMonica @ 443-615-0238 (dlamonica@belfastvalley.com).

P.S. If your son can only attend one of the tryouts, please let us know prior to July 13, 2021.

Thank you,

John Kenneally & Dan Lamonica

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Get ready for the "POACHING EMAILS" from Crabs 2027 Coaches. Just received one for my son and I'm sure many others did as well.

Such a shame that Crabs feels the need to always stoop so low. Such a poor culture all around for theses kids and families. The sad part is that people buy into this. I was blind and did it with my older son, and then bam the high school teams came and all of a sudden we only had 6 players from the state of Maryland and bunch of "National Team" guys from all over. I'll pass..................

Hi *******,
Your son has been identified as a talented 2027 lacrosse player who would be a great addition to our Crabs 2027 lacrosse team. This is a personal invitation to be part of a very special team that will be coached by John Kenneally and Dan LaMonica.
Our 7th grade team is a practice first team and we believe in player development and intense team training. Our team will work hard both in the quantity and quality of practices. However, we believe in multi-sport athletes and that your son’s in season sport should come first. Starting with the last weekend in February, lacrosse becomes the in season sport and will then come first.
We run fast paced practices that are competitive and very instructional. When working with your son, we use the part to whole method of teaching the IQ side of lacrosse. Both of us are teachers of the game who will create a strong team culture and a great experience for your son. We are very positive, upbeat and focused on building your son’s skills and confidence.
This team will play in the Howard County Spring league at the top level. In addition, we will travel to at least 6 tournaments (including the Fall, Spring and Summer). We have had a lot of interest in our 2027 team and we anticipate that we will be a top team that will play in the most selective tournaments. If we are able to obtain some sponsors, we may travel to Lake Placid, Vail or Texas for a tournament. We will also schedule some play days and we will seek to play top teams who are in town over the year.
During the off season, we will practice once a week, typically on Sunday mornings (starting after Labor Day). Beginning with the last weekend of February, we will practice four times a week (typically, Sat, Sun, and two week nights) until games start in late March. Thereafter, we typically practice Sat, and two week nights with games on Sunday. Playing on a top club team is a big commitment and requires a significant level of dedication.
Although we are very interested in your son, Crabs has open try-outs for spots on our 2027 team on the following dates:
Tuesday July 13th 7PM to 8:30 PM@ RPCS Upper Turf
Thursday July 15th 7PM to 8:30 PM @ RPCS Upper Turf
We are sincerely interested in your son and we hope to see him at tryouts. Please go to https://crabslax.com/ to register for tryouts as soon as possible. If you have any questions please call John Kenneally @ 410-561-7051 (jkenneally@jlkcpas.com) or Dan LaMonica @ 443-615-0238 (dlamonica@belfastvalley.com).

P.S. If your son can only attend one of the tryouts, please let us know prior to July 13, 2021.

Thank you,

John Kenneally & Dan Lamonica

I’m sorry. I don’t see anything wrong with this email. If you aren’t interested, just don’t go to tryouts.

Team Md just took down True Illinois. Good win for that program!

Have received several similar emails from FCA, T91 and Team MD this week.

Harmless, if you’re not interested, don’t go.

Predators are gonna make some noise in MD!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lots of kids jumping clubs this year from multiple teams. Also kids moving down. Will be interesting to see how the top 4 teams are. I think we all know what rest looks like. And please don’t bring up the predators again.

Hurts to know that the Predators are here to stay and play elite.

1-2 today, not very impressive but keep marketing

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Predators are gonna make some noise in MD!!

By Fall will be top 5

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Predators are gonna make some noise in MD!!

By Fall will be top 5

Not likely… won’t be playing Elite in HoCo either, gotta earn that spot..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lots of kids jumping clubs this year from multiple teams. Also kids moving down. Will be interesting to see how the top 4 teams are. I think we all know what rest looks like. And please don’t bring up the predators again.

Hurts to know that the Predators are here to stay and play elite.

People please stop with the predators talk. Nobody is taking you serious!

No way in heck Ricky let’s the Preds play elite in their first year in MD.
They need to prove it against the best in the fall if they even want to Make AAA in the spring.

“Open tryouts”
Lolz

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No way in heck Ricky let’s the Preds play elite in their first year in MD.
They need to prove it against the best in the fall if they even want to Make AAA in the spring.

My feeling is that with all the player shuffling around, there will be some decent AA and AAA teams this year. And probably some new names in those divisions.
Good to see. Good for the sport.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My feeling is that with all the player shuffling around, there will be some decent AA and AAA teams this year. And probably some new names in those divisions.
Good to see. Good for the sport.

Agree. In the 27 age group, the new Blue Claws and Pred teams have MIAA coaching staffs.
Believe HoCo added to its coaching staff too. Lots of good opportunities for families.

Nice job on Sidewinders hiding in the A division instead of AA to win a easy tournament at NXT Cup. NXT, do better!

They should have been AA and PA Fusion 2027 should have been in the A division - those kids were put in the wrong bracket by who ever signed them up for that tourney

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They should have been AA and PA Fusion 2027 should have been in the A division - those kids were put in the wrong bracket by who ever signed them up for that tourney

They were in AA and somehow moved down. As I understood it Fusion did ask to move down and was moved denied. Mesa had no biz there either. A cheap, sad win.

Sidewinders were in the AA bracket when it was first released early in the week (i know this because they were initially on my son's schedule), but then there was a reshuffling and they ended up in A bracket, Not sure why, but seems like NXT moved a bunch of teams around. Overall decent tournament with some good teams. 91 Rage parents are a piece of work though. Talk about living through you kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sidewinders were in the AA bracket when it was first released early in the week (i know this because they were initially on my son's schedule), but then there was a reshuffling and they ended up in A bracket, Not sure why, but seems like NXT moved a bunch of teams around. Overall decent tournament with some good teams. 91 Rage parents are a piece of work though. Talk about living through you kids.

There was fights right? Amazing.

Crabs “policy” is no parent coaches. That is until they hear through the lax grapevine that their best player (dad is an assistant on the current 2027 staff) is looking hard at joining the Hawks. Now they have decided to offer him a position coaching with the team. How convenient…If he goes that team will remain in the middle of of the pack. The FCA players coming in don’t make the team any better and some of the existing roster is headed to Predators. Implosion coming…

Blue Claws are a glorified Rec Team (Bel Air), will never be a factor. Period.

I didn’t see any fights but would not surprise me. A couple of the dads were walking the sidelines talking garbage to the other teams parents. It was remarkable. And they really do wear the blinged out 91 gear, which I had read about on here but funny to see in person. Good team, for sure, and seem like decent kids but parents were trashy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs “policy” is no parent coaches. That is until they hear through the lax grapevine that their best player (dad is an assistant on the current 2027 staff) is looking hard at joining the Hawks. Now they have decided to offer him a position coaching with the team. How convenient…If he goes that team will remain in the middle of of the pack. The FCA players coming in don’t make the team any better and some of the existing roster is headed to Predators. Implosion coming…

That’s simply not true.
The crabs youth teams have had parent coaches for as long as I can remember. Their website is filled with them.

The 91 parents weren’t that bad, they were loud and paced the sidelines but were mostly just guilty of too many bad Yankees tattoos. They were probably just upset they got sent home in the semis, by a PA team

I agree, things got heated on the field and there was a scuffle but it nothing extreme.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs “policy” is no parent coaches. That is until they hear through the lax grapevine that their best player (dad is an assistant on the current 2027 staff) is looking hard at joining the Hawks. Now they have decided to offer him a position coaching with the team. How convenient…If he goes that team will remain in the middle of of the pack. The FCA players coming in don’t make the team any better and some of the existing roster is headed to Predators. Implosion coming…

Why would anyone leave elite and play a division lower?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs “policy” is no parent coaches. That is until they hear through the lax grapevine that their best player (dad is an assistant on the current 2027 staff) is looking hard at joining the Hawks. Now they have decided to offer him a position coaching with the team. How convenient…If he goes that team will remain in the middle of of the pack. The FCA players coming in don’t make the team any better and some of the existing roster is headed to Predators. Implosion coming…

Why would anyone leave elite and play a division lower?

Win Baby Win !!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blue Claws are a glorified Rec Team (Bel Air), will never be a factor. Period.

why more club shaming? the blue claws beat the crabs/cannons/hawks and fca etc. in the 28-30 age groups. it is a good club. whatever you call it.

Again, it is policy when it works for them. Right now they allow dads to be coaches up until middle school then they go to a paid coach format in an attempt to eliminate any "daddy ball". 100% on this.

2028: HEAD COACH RYAN SMITH, JOHN CILIBERTO, BRIAN BARRETT
2027: HEAD COACH JOHN KENNEALLY, DAN LAMONICA

Out of curiosity, do any of these coaches have kids on the respective teams?

Enough tryout talk already…

Let’s talks NLF this weekend!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Enough tryout talk already…

Let’s talks NLF this weekend!

Texas Mustangs are bringing the heat. Don't Mess with Texas. BOHICA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2028: HEAD COACH RYAN SMITH, JOHN CILIBERTO, BRIAN BARRETT
2027: HEAD COACH JOHN KENNEALLY, DAN LAMONICA

Out of curiosity, do any of these coaches have kids on the respective teams?

Not sure about all of them but yes for John Ciliberto. Dan LaMonica was coaching FCA 2027 with Dad coaches and I know one of them is coming over to the Crabs with him so I would expect there to be some type of "Dad influence".

Hawks find redemption in Massachusetts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks find redemption in Massachusetts.

I’d like to see that but think that is going to be a tough road. There are some excellent teams there:

Hawks
Machine
Madlax
Kings
Mustangs
WCS
Eclipse

The deepest team is gonna win.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2028: HEAD COACH RYAN SMITH, JOHN CILIBERTO, BRIAN BARRETT
2027: HEAD COACH JOHN KENNEALLY, DAN LAMONICA

Out of curiosity, do any of these coaches have kids on the respective teams?

Not sure about all of them but yes for John Ciliberto. Dan LaMonica was coaching FCA 2027 with Dad coaches and I know one of them is coming over to the Crabs with him so I would expect there to be some type of "Dad influence".

Barrett, yes too.

Anyone know who the new FCA coach will be for 2027?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know who the new FCA coach will be for 2027?

not Goloboski, they going to Crabs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know who the new FCA coach will be for 2027?

not Goloboski, they going to Crabs

Kacy Kapinos

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know who the new FCA coach will be for 2027?

not Goloboski, they going to Crabs

Kacy Kapinos

Kelly Kapowski?

Anyone know if the Hawks is replacing their staff? I know there are several unhappy parents since Hicks left. Seems they would have to announce prior to tryouts?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know if the Hawks is replacing their staff? I know there are several unhappy parents since Hicks left. Seems they would have to announce prior to tryouts?

There were several when Hicks was there. Good coach, but not everyone will be happy all the time.

Crabs allow Dad coaches up until middle school. Supposedly no dad coaches after that but they make exceptions when it suits them to retain a good player.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know if the Hawks is replacing their staff? I know there are several unhappy parents since Hicks left. Seems they would have to announce prior to tryouts?

shocker- folks arent happy happy in robotworld.

heard their goalie was leaving too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know who the new FCA coach will be for 2027?

not Goloboski, they going to Crabs

Kacy Kapinos

Kelly Kapowski?

Assisted by Ben Higgins

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know who the new FCA coach will be for 2027?

not Goloboski, they going to Crabs

Kacy Kapinos

Kelly Kapowski?

Assisted by Ben Higgins

BH is great- as long as real life doesnt interfere and SD isnt involved.

KK- guy is young, full time job, coaches at Loyola HS, assists the '25 squad and now going to lead '27 squad full time- seems like a pretty big ask.

Good luck.

ha. nice one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know if the Hawks is replacing their staff? I know there are several unhappy parents since Hicks left. Seems they would have to announce prior to tryouts?

shocker- folks arent happy happy in robotworld.

heard their goalie was leaving too.

They are easily the best team in DMV. No chance they break up. But it would be nice for the rest of us.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know if the Hawks is replacing their staff? I know there are several unhappy parents since Hicks left. Seems they would have to announce prior to tryouts?

shocker- folks arent happy happy in robotworld.

heard their goalie was leaving too.

They are easily the best team in DMV. No chance they break up. But it would be nice for the rest of us.

I wouldn’t say easily.. games are getting closer as they are getting older. They even took some L’s this year- granted, it was against great competition.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know if the Hawks is replacing their staff? I know there are several unhappy parents since Hicks left. Seems they would have to announce prior to tryouts?

shocker- folks arent happy happy in robotworld.

heard their goalie was leaving too.

They are easily the best team in DMV. No chance they break up. But it would be nice for the rest of us.

Hawks a great team but not "easily" the best in the DMV. NextLevel, MadLax, and Hawks all give each other good games and on any given day could win. One reason why they are evenly matched is that all three teams have a great goalie and it would be a game changer for any of the teams to lose their guy. Any idea where the Hawks goalie is going? If he is on the market I would love for my son's team to get him!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know if the Hawks is replacing their staff? I know there are several unhappy parents since Hicks left. Seems they would have to announce prior to tryouts?

shocker- folks arent happy happy in robotworld.

heard their goalie was leaving too.

They are easily the best team in DMV. No chance they break up. But it would be nice for the rest of us.

Hawks a great team but not "easily" the best in the DMV. NextLevel, MadLax, and Hawks all give each other good games and on any given day could win. One reason why they are evenly matched is that all three teams have a great goalie and it would be a game changer for any of the teams to lose their guy. Any idea where the Hawks goalie is going? If he is on the market I would love for my son's team to get him!

word on the street is that he doenst want to play anymore- has told same to coaches and teammates.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know if the Hawks is replacing their staff? I know there are several unhappy parents since Hicks left. Seems they would have to announce prior to tryouts?

shocker- folks arent happy happy in robotworld.

heard their goalie was leaving too.

They are easily the best team in DMV. No chance they break up. But it would be nice for the rest of us.

Hawks a great team but not "easily" the best in the DMV. NextLevel, MadLax, and Hawks all give each other good games and on any given day could win. One reason why they are evenly matched is that all three teams have a great goalie and it would be a game changer for any of the teams to lose their guy. Any idea where the Hawks goalie is going? If he is on the market I would love for my son's team to get him!

word on the street is that he doenst want to play anymore- has told same to coaches and teammates.

Not true. He’s a 2028. Moving down maybe.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know if the Hawks is replacing their staff? I know there are several unhappy parents since Hicks left. Seems they would have to announce prior to tryouts?

shocker- folks arent happy happy in robotworld.

heard their goalie was leaving too.

They are easily the best team in DMV. No chance they break up. But it would be nice for the rest of us.

Hawks a great team but not "easily" the best in the DMV. NextLevel, MadLax, and Hawks all give each other good games and on any given day could win. One reason why they are evenly matched is that all three teams have a great goalie and it would be a game changer for any of the teams to lose their guy. Any idea where the Hawks goalie is going? If he is on the market I would love for my son's team to get him!

word on the street is that he doenst want to play anymore- has told same to coaches and teammates.

Not true. He’s a 2028. Moving down maybe.

Correct.

both are true. he told his team that he doesn't want to play AND he has reclassed and will be 2028. its a shame if he quits. he is a talented kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

both are true. he told his team that he doesn't want to play AND he has reclassed and will be 2028. its a shame if he quits. he is a talented kid.

Correct

Originally Posted by Anonymous

both are true. he told his team that he doesn't want to play AND he has reclassed and will be 2028. its a shame if he quits. he is a talented kid.

Sounds like he is already a good player so what to do..Reclass. The MD way to get better.

Hawks lost at NLF to Texas mustangs. And machine handled by kings 10-3 ! Hawks might be need some upgrades this year after taking Losses they aren’t use to.

Bet those machine parents lost their freaking minds….

Bet hawks parents did too losing to a team from Texas.

At least they didn’t get blown out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At least they didn’t get blown out.

Like machine did?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At least they didn’t get blown out.

Like machine did?

Those teams from the west are good. Kids can really play and they play hard. Well coached and well-heeled too. It’s great for the game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At least they didn’t get blown out.

Losing for hawks doesn’t matter about getting blown out . They don’t do well with losing period. They expect to win every time take the field. I feel bad for that coach now he doesn’t stand a chance to stay there next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At least they didn’t get blown out.

Losing for hawks doesn’t matter about getting blown out . They don’t do well with losing period. They expect to win every time take the field. I feel bad for that coach now he doesn’t stand a chance to stay there next year.

No coach other than Hogan or Rage stands a chance with those parents.

Heard it today, they ALWAYS blame it on coaching regardless of how good the other team may be.

Agreed

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At least they didn’t get blown out.

Losing for hawks doesn’t matter about getting blown out . They don’t do well with losing period. They expect to win every time take the field. I feel bad for that coach now he doesn’t stand a chance to stay there next year.

No coach other than Hogan or Rage stands a chance with those parents.

Heard it today, they ALWAYS blame it on coaching regardless of how good the other team may be.

Hawks made the final 8. Other Maryland teams are in the losers bracket. Losers bracket. Great competition up here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At least they didn’t get blown out.

Losing for hawks doesn’t matter about getting blown out . They don’t do well with losing period. They expect to win every time take the field. I feel bad for that coach now he doesn’t stand a chance to stay there next year.

No coach other than Hogan or Rage stands a chance with those parents.

Heard it today, they ALWAYS blame it on coaching regardless of how good the other team may be.

Coach has got to Go ! Easily worst Coach in org . Should have played my son more, than he might still have a job.

Kings won it all. 7-5. Great team. They should be proud of their performance this weekend. Let’s try and cheer each other on instead of tearing each other down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kings won it all. 7-5. Great team. They should be proud of their performance this weekend. Let’s try and cheer each other on instead of tearing each other down.

Seriously ??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kings won it all. 7-5. Great team. They should be proud of their performance this weekend. Let’s try and cheer each other on instead of tearing each other down.

Seriously ??

…. Seriously what?

Great team for sure! Good to see the game being played at a high level across the country and not just in our backyard.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kings won it all. 7-5. Great team. They should be proud of their performance this weekend. Let’s try and cheer each other on instead of tearing each other down.

Seriously ??

…. Seriously what?

Great team for sure! Good to see the game being played at a high level across the country and not just in our backyard.

Really impressive. Who is coach?

Ray Cross. Played at Notre Dame

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ray Cross. Played at Notre Dame

So that explains why they had such a good defense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kings won it all. 7-5. Great team. They should be proud of their performance this weekend. Let’s try and cheer each other on instead of tearing each other down.

Seriously ??

…. Seriously what?

Great team for sure! Good to see the game being played at a high level across the country and not just in our backyard.

Good to see teams from Texas and Colorado. Just curious…. Did either team add players to their rosters for NLF? Are they regional teams or local clubs like the NY and MD teams?

My son isn’t a 27 Hawk but I saw the mustangs and Kings at NLF. The Hawks look small by comparison. In my estimation they were better lacrosse players but not as athletic. The Texas kids were just bigger and faster, so were the Kings.

No chance those teams aren't bringing older players. The MD teams are huge because of age allowances and the Midwest and West teams dwarf them.

The “they brought older kids” claim is so lame. These teams didn’t bring older players and no one reclasses in Colorado. Kings have good athletes that have been coached up by a guy who grew up on the east coast and played at Notre Dame. Pretty simple formula. They will be tough to handle at the WSYL.

The 2028 (hawks) thread is claiming the 2027 goalie is leaving the 27's but won't be the starter for 28's. Is the '27 really leaving or what?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 2028 (hawks) thread is claiming the 2027 goalie is leaving the 27's but won't be the starter for 28's. Is the '27 really leaving or what?

The tryout trolls have arrived.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The “they brought older kids” claim is so lame. These teams didn’t bring older players and no one reclasses in Colorado. Kings have good athletes that have been coached up by a guy who grew up on the east coast and played at Notre Dame. Pretty simple formula. They will be tough to handle at the WSYL.

I didn’t say they were older, I said they were bigger and faster.
That’s not really even debatable, just an observation.

Lax IQ, stick work etc the Hawks and Eclipse seemed better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 2028 (hawks) thread is claiming the 2027 goalie is leaving the 27's but won't be the starter for 28's. Is the '27 really leaving or what?

Let’s assume he does leave, really only the 28 coach would know who the starter is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 2028 (hawks) thread is claiming the 2027 goalie is leaving the 27's but won't be the starter for 28's. Is the '27 really leaving or what?

The 27 hawks better hope he stays. Won’t be able to replace him

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 2028 (hawks) thread is claiming the 2027 goalie is leaving the 27's but won't be the starter for 28's. Is the '27 really leaving or what?

The 27 hawks better hope he stays. Won’t be able to replace him

Have no clue, but it is a good year to reclass. Might be why.

I understand the 2027 Hawks are looking to upgrade every position. This is the first opportunity the new coach has to select new players for "his" team. I heard he was pissed about the loses and close games this year. Can anyone confirm this?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I understand the 2027 Hawks are looking to upgrade every position. This is the first opportunity the new coach has to select new players for "his" team. I heard he was pissed about the loses and close games this year. Can anyone confirm this?

I’d say the parents were not happy don’t know about the coach. Going to be hard for them to upgrade from the starters especially if some of them reclass. Unless the get kids from 26’s. The rest of teams is division are slowly gaining on them so better do something soon. Def good team but not as dominant as past years

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I understand the 2027 Hawks are looking to upgrade every position. This is the first opportunity the new coach has to select new players for "his" team. I heard he was pissed about the loses and close games this year. Can anyone confirm this?

I’d say the parents were not happy don’t know about the coach. Going to be hard for them to upgrade from the starters especially if some of them reclass. Unless the get kids from 26’s. The rest of teams is division are slowly gaining on them so better do something soon. Def good team but not as dominant as past years

Thanks Hawks parents. Lol.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I understand the 2027 Hawks are looking to upgrade every position. This is the first opportunity the new coach has to select new players for "his" team. I heard he was pissed about the loses and close games this year. Can anyone confirm this?

I’d say the parents were not happy don’t know about the coach. Going to be hard for them to upgrade from the starters especially if some of them reclass. Unless the get kids from 26’s. The rest of teams is division are slowly gaining on them so better do something soon. Def good team but not as dominant as past years

Thanks Hawks parents. Lol.

Prob not even Hawks parents. Tryout trolls. Want to try and make the Hawks, show up and tryouts. Every single team should be trying to find and coach the best players each and every year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I understand the 2027 Hawks are looking to upgrade every position. This is the first opportunity the new coach has to select new players for "his" team. I heard he was pissed about the loses and close games this year. Can anyone confirm this?

I’d say the parents were not happy don’t know about the coach. Going to be hard for them to upgrade from the starters especially if some of them reclass. Unless the get kids from 26’s. The rest of teams is division are slowly gaining on them so better do something soon. Def good team but not as dominant as past years

Thanks Hawks parents. Lol.

Prob not even Hawks parents. Tryout trolls. Want to try and make the Hawks, show up and tryouts. Every single team should be trying to find and coach the best players each and every year.

Ha. Not hawks parent and not interested in hawks tryouts. Was just making a honest comment.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I understand the 2027 Hawks are looking to upgrade every position. This is the first opportunity the new coach has to select new players for "his" team. I heard he was pissed about the loses and close games this year. Can anyone confirm this?

I’d say the parents were not happy don’t know about the coach. Going to be hard for them to upgrade from the starters especially if some of them reclass. Unless the get kids from 26’s. The rest of teams is division are slowly gaining on them so better do something soon. Def good team but not as dominant as past years

Thanks Hawks parents. Lol.

Prob not even Hawks parents. Tryout trolls. Want to try and make the Hawks, show up and tryouts. Every single team should be trying to find and coach the best players each and every year.

But unfortunately it doesn't happen. Instead you get retreads from previous years, coaches kids, and nepotism. Then the "top squads" wonder why they aren't as good as expected. It's a dung-show. But pretty funny to watch, really.

I have coached at every level. And I watched 2 tryouts that were being held at the private school down the street from me. I will leave out the names not to offend anyone. But I really think kids have a better shot at making a D1 college team as a walk on than cracking the pre determined rosters at INSERT "ELITE" PROGRAM NAME HERE. If you want any proof whatsoever, look at the tryouts. These lacrosse "experts" certainly seem inept. OR LAzy. OR intentionally befuddled. The one tryout I attended had ~60 kids split into 2-3 groups. Then kids sat in line waiting for a drill and got 1-2 reps MAX. No one stands out. No one. IMO, it seems like that is just the way the coaches wanted it. They can stick to their pre determined roster. Just sad that there was close to no redeeming lacrosse value, even experience, that these kids were getting from the tryouts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I understand the 2027 Hawks are looking to upgrade every position. This is the first opportunity the new coach has to select new players for "his" team. I heard he was pissed about the loses and close games this year. Can anyone confirm this?

I’d say the parents were not happy don’t know about the coach. Going to be hard for them to upgrade from the starters especially if some of them reclass. Unless the get kids from 26’s. The rest of teams is division are slowly gaining on them so better do something soon. Def good team but not as dominant as past years

Thanks Hawks parents. Lol.

Prob not even Hawks parents. Tryout trolls. Want to try and make the Hawks, show up and tryouts. Every single team should be trying to find and coach the best players each and every year.

But unfortunately it doesn't happen. Instead you get retreads from previous years, coaches kids, and nepotism. Then the "top squads" wonder why they aren't as good as expected. It's a dung-show. But pretty funny to watch, really.

I have coached at every level. And I watched 2 tryouts that were being held at the private school down the street from me. I will leave out the names not to offend anyone. But I really think kids have a better shot at making a D1 college team as a walk on than cracking the pre determined rosters at INSERT "ELITE" PROGRAM NAME HERE. If you want any proof whatsoever, look at the tryouts. These lacrosse "experts" certainly seem inept. OR LAzy. OR intentionally befuddled. The one tryout I attended had ~60 kids split into 2-3 groups. Then kids sat in line waiting for a drill and got 1-2 reps MAX. No one stands out. No one. IMO, it seems like that is just the way the coaches wanted it. They can stick to their pre determined roster. Just sad that there was close to no redeeming lacrosse value, even experience, that these kids were getting from the tryouts.

So true - and well said!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I understand the 2027 Hawks are looking to upgrade every position. This is the first opportunity the new coach has to select new players for "his" team. I heard he was pissed about the loses and close games this year. Can anyone confirm this?

I’d say the parents were not happy don’t know about the coach. Going to be hard for them to upgrade from the starters especially if some of them reclass. Unless the get kids from 26’s. The rest of teams is division are slowly gaining on them so better do something soon. Def good team but not as dominant as past years

Thanks Hawks parents. Lol.

Prob not even Hawks parents. Tryout trolls. Want to try and make the Hawks, show up and tryouts. Every single team should be trying to find and coach the best players each and every year.

But unfortunately it doesn't happen. Instead you get retreads from previous years, coaches kids, and nepotism. Then the "top squads" wonder why they aren't as good as expected. It's a dung-show. But pretty funny to watch, really.

I have coached at every level. And I watched 2 tryouts that were being held at the private school down the street from me. I will leave out the names not to offend anyone. But I really think kids have a better shot at making a D1 college team as a walk on than cracking the pre determined rosters at INSERT "ELITE" PROGRAM NAME HERE. If you want any proof whatsoever, look at the tryouts. These lacrosse "experts" certainly seem inept. OR LAzy. OR intentionally befuddled. The one tryout I attended had ~60 kids split into 2-3 groups. Then kids sat in line waiting for a drill and got 1-2 reps MAX. No one stands out. No one. IMO, it seems like that is just the way the coaches wanted it. They can stick to their pre determined roster. Just sad that there was close to no redeeming lacrosse value, even experience, that these kids were getting from the tryouts.

+1

Crabs had at least 50 kids at the middle school tryout I saw.

All those kids but no adult leadership. No clear person in charge. Maybe the lady at the desk checking in the boys? No organization. Coaches in flip flops straggling in late from a day on the boat. Bro hugging on the field. A few college kids yelling for kids to "run faster" or "get to the other line." Otherwise, no instruction on the drills, no reps. Nothing worthwhile.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I understand the 2027 Hawks are looking to upgrade every position. This is the first opportunity the new coach has to select new players for "his" team. I heard he was pissed about the loses and close games this year. Can anyone confirm this?

I’d say the parents were not happy don’t know about the coach. Going to be hard for them to upgrade from the starters especially if some of them reclass. Unless the get kids from 26’s. The rest of teams is division are slowly gaining on them so better do something soon. Def good team but not as dominant as past years

Thanks Hawks parents. Lol.

Prob not even Hawks parents. Tryout trolls. Want to try and make the Hawks, show up and tryouts. Every single team should be trying to find and coach the best players each and every year.

But unfortunately it doesn't happen. Instead you get retreads from previous years, coaches kids, and nepotism. Then the "top squads" wonder why they aren't as good as expected. It's a dung-show. But pretty funny to watch, really.

I have coached at every level. And I watched 2 tryouts that were being held at the private school down the street from me. I will leave out the names not to offend anyone. But I really think kids have a better shot at making a D1 college team as a walk on than cracking the pre determined rosters at INSERT "ELITE" PROGRAM NAME HERE. If you want any proof whatsoever, look at the tryouts. These lacrosse "experts" certainly seem inept. OR LAzy. OR intentionally befuddled. The one tryout I attended had ~60 kids split into 2-3 groups. Then kids sat in line waiting for a drill and got 1-2 reps MAX. No one stands out. No one. IMO, it seems like that is just the way the coaches wanted it. They can stick to their pre determined roster. Just sad that there was close to no redeeming lacrosse value, even experience, that these kids were getting from the tryouts.

Must live near Calvert hall

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I understand the 2027 Hawks are looking to upgrade every position. This is the first opportunity the new coach has to select new players for "his" team. I heard he was pissed about the loses and close games this year. Can anyone confirm this?

I’d say the parents were not happy don’t know about the coach. Going to be hard for them to upgrade from the starters especially if some of them reclass. Unless the get kids from 26’s. The rest of teams is division are slowly gaining on them so better do something soon. Def good team but not as dominant as past years

Thanks Hawks parents. Lol.

Prob not even Hawks parents. Tryout trolls. Want to try and make the Hawks, show up and tryouts. Every single team should be trying to find and coach the best players each and every year.

But unfortunately it doesn't happen. Instead you get retreads from previous years, coaches kids, and nepotism. Then the "top squads" wonder why they aren't as good as expected. It's a dung-show. But pretty funny to watch, really.

I have coached at every level. And I watched 2 tryouts that were being held at the private school down the street from me. I will leave out the names not to offend anyone. But I really think kids have a better shot at making a D1 college team as a walk on than cracking the pre determined rosters at INSERT "ELITE" PROGRAM NAME HERE. If you want any proof whatsoever, look at the tryouts. These lacrosse "experts" certainly seem inept. OR LAzy. OR intentionally befuddled. The one tryout I attended had ~60 kids split into 2-3 groups. Then kids sat in line waiting for a drill and got 1-2 reps MAX. No one stands out. No one. IMO, it seems like that is just the way the coaches wanted it. They can stick to their pre determined roster. Just sad that there was close to no redeeming lacrosse value, even experience, that these kids were getting from the tryouts.

+1

Crabs had at least 50 kids at the middle school tryout I saw.

All those kids but no adult leadership. No clear person in charge. Maybe the lady at the desk checking in the boys? No organization. Coaches in flip flops straggling in late from a day on the boat. Bro hugging on the field. A few college kids yelling for kids to "run faster" or "get to the other line." Otherwise, no instruction on the drills, no reps. Nothing worthwhile.

Did you make the team or turn down the spot because of the bro hugging guy in flip flops. You people on here are crazy. What did you expect them to put your kid through a clinic and coach him up. It’s a try out up to the kid to make himself stand out. Maybe should try out for predators heard there going to be number one team in Hoco next year

Did you make the team or turn down the spot because of the bro hugging guy in flip flops. You people on here are crazy. What did you expect them to put your kid through a clinic and coach him up. It’s a try out up to the kid to make himself stand out. Maybe should try out for predators heard there going to be number one team in Hoco next year[/quote]

Absolutely! The resident 2027 creeper is going to turn the Preds into a HoCo powerhouse in year one. Or is it the Crabs? I have a hard time keeping track.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did you make the team or turn down the spot because of the bro hugging guy in flip flops. You people on here are crazy. What did you expect them to put your kid through a clinic and coach him up. It’s a try out up to the kid to make himself stand out. Maybe should try out for predators heard there going to be number one team in Hoco next year

Absolutely! The resident 2027 creeper is going to turn the Preds into a HoCo powerhouse in year one. Or is it the Crabs? I have a hard time keeping track.[/quote]

If crabs kids go to predators I would feel bad for them. 1st year team would almost certainly have to play below elite. Even if they were lucky enough to play elite which doesn’t happen for first year club they would be in bottom half which is lower then crabs were last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did you make the team or turn down the spot because of the bro hugging guy in flip flops. You people on here are crazy. What did you expect them to put your kid through a clinic and coach him up. It’s a try out up to the kid to make himself stand out. Maybe should try out for predators heard there going to be number one team in Hoco next year

Absolutely! The resident 2027 creeper is going to turn the Preds into a HoCo powerhouse in year one. Or is it the Crabs? I have a hard time keeping track.

If crabs kids go to predators I would feel bad for them. 1st year team would almost certainly have to play below elite. Even if they were lucky enough to play elite which doesn’t happen for first year club they would be in bottom half which is lower then crabs were last year.

Looks like someone is scared of competition from up and coming club Predators. They will dominate whatever level they play at and turn some heads next summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did you make the team or turn down the spot because of the bro hugging guy in flip flops. You people on here are crazy. What did you expect them to put your kid through a clinic and coach him up. It’s a try out up to the kid to make himself stand out. Maybe should try out for predators heard there going to be number one team in Hoco next year

Absolutely! The resident 2027 creeper is going to turn the Preds into a HoCo powerhouse in year one. Or is it the Crabs? I have a hard time keeping track.

If crabs kids go to predators I would feel bad for them. 1st year team would almost certainly have to play below elite. Even if they were lucky enough to play elite which doesn’t happen for first year club they would be in bottom half which is lower then crabs were last year.

Looks like someone is scared of competition from up and coming club Predators. They will dominate whatever level they play at and turn some heads next summer.

The Predators struggle to put competitive teams together in Westchester/Fairfield County. Why would they have success in HoCo?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did you make the team or turn down the spot because of the bro hugging guy in flip flops. You people on here are crazy. What did you expect them to put your kid through a clinic and coach him up. It’s a try out up to the kid to make himself stand out. Maybe should try out for predators heard there going to be number one team in Hoco next year

Absolutely! The resident 2027 creeper is going to turn the Preds into a HoCo powerhouse in year one. Or is it the Crabs? I have a hard time keeping track.

If crabs kids go to predators I would feel bad for them. 1st year team would almost certainly have to play below elite. Even if they were lucky enough to play elite which doesn’t happen for first year club they would be in bottom half which is lower then crabs were last year.

Looks like someone is scared of competition from up and coming club Predators. They will dominate whatever level they play at and turn some heads next summer.

Trust me nobody is worried about predators especially in elite. I don’t know why people continue to talk about them

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did you make the team or turn down the spot because of the bro hugging guy in flip flops. You people on here are crazy. What did you expect them to put your kid through a clinic and coach him up. It’s a try out up to the kid to make himself stand out. Maybe should try out for predators heard there going to be number one team in Hoco next year

Absolutely! The resident 2027 creeper is going to turn the Preds into a HoCo powerhouse in year one. Or is it the Crabs? I have a hard time keeping track.

If crabs kids go to predators I would feel bad for them. 1st year team would almost certainly have to play below elite. Even if they were lucky enough to play elite which doesn’t happen for first year club they would be in bottom half which is lower then crabs were last year.

Looks like someone is scared of competition from up and coming club Predators. They will dominate whatever level they play at and turn some heads next summer.

Trust me nobody is worried about predators especially in elite. I don’t know why people continue to talk about them

They are making noise and taking good players from other programs. Strong ties to MIAA school and local area. ..So yes, There is some worry.

It's their leaders trying to create a buzz to make a buck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's their leaders trying to create a buzz to make a buck.

100%. It’s kind of a hilarious approach actually.

Let me bring a mediocre club into a hotbed, poach a bunch of disgruntled B team players from other local B team clubs and then.. sell instant Success.

If you’re posting about the Predators, just quit. Nobody is taking your BS seriously

St. Paul feeder team !! Lol. Breakers, Rock, and Koopers kids all combine to create a powerhouse!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's their leaders trying to create a buzz to make a buck.

100%. It’s kind of a hilarious approach actually.

Let me bring a mediocre club into a hotbed, poach a bunch of disgruntled B team players from other local B team clubs and then.. sell instant Success.

If you’re posting about the Predators, just quit. Nobody is taking your BS seriously

Looks like someone didnt get an invite to Predators tryout. Will be top 4 club in Balt area before year is out.

Lots of Hawks helmets seen at different tryouts. Why? And not just bench players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's their leaders trying to create a buzz to make a buck.

100%. It’s kind of a hilarious approach actually.

Let me bring a mediocre club into a hotbed, poach a bunch of disgruntled B team players from other local B team clubs and then.. sell instant Success.

If you’re posting about the Predators, just quit. Nobody is taking your BS seriously

So true! I follow the 2026 and 2027 BOTC threads and there is the same pump and dump about Predators in both. I have never heard of this team, and honestly I thought it was somebody being sarcastic. If there actually is a program by that name that plans to compete in HoCo elite in either 2026 or 2027, go ahead and post a link to the program or some further details, particularly the name(s) of who is behind it. It is a cool name, I have to admit, but not a serious program in the DC/Baltimore/Annapolis corridor as far as I know.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lots of Hawks helmets seen at different tryouts. Why? And not just bench players.

Hawks goalie and fogo were at Next Level 27 tryouts this week. #fact

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's their leaders trying to create a buzz to make a buck.

100%. It’s kind of a hilarious approach actually.

Let me bring a mediocre club into a hotbed, poach a bunch of disgruntled B team players from other local B team clubs and then.. sell instant Success.

If you’re posting about the Predators, just quit. Nobody is taking your BS seriously

So true! I follow the 2026 and 2027 BOTC threads and there is the same pump and dump about Predators in both. I have never heard of this team, and honestly I thought it was somebody being sarcastic. If there actually is a program by that name that plans to compete in HoCo elite in either 2026 or 2027, go ahead and post a link to the program or some further details, particularly the name(s) of who is behind it. It is a cool name, I have to admit, but not a serious program in the DC/Baltimore/Annapolis corridor as far as I know.

Simple Google and link and this shows up. Headed by Head Coach of St Pauls plus Head Coach of Towson HS and along with OC of Towson U.

Not to shabby.

https://predatorslacrosse.com/maryland/

Is there really that much money in youth lacrosse clubs that people want to keep starting new ones?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

St. Paul feeder team !! Lol. Breakers, Rock, and Koopers kids all combine to create a powerhouse!!!

Is this a feeder club or a money grab? St. Paul's has a Middle School. And like 3 other feeder clubs.
How many does St Paul's need to start winning again?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

St. Paul feeder team !! Lol. Breakers, Rock, and Koopers kids all combine to create a powerhouse!!!

Is this a feeder club or a money grab? St. Paul's has a Middle School. And like 3 other feeder clubs.
How many does St Paul's need to start winning again?

$. These coaches are drawing a salary for this stuff and to use their names/resumes.

If Settembrino, Musci, and Broc are coaching their high school and College teams in the spring, who are really coaching these club teams?

Website is vague with no real info. Anyone know who the assistants are?

Can someone create a Predators page on the forum? So that we can move away from this topic on the 27 page?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

St. Paul feeder team !! Lol. Breakers, Rock, and Koopers kids all combine to create a powerhouse!!!

Is this a feeder club or a money grab? St. Paul's has a Middle School. And like 3 other feeder clubs.
How many does St Paul's need to start winning again?

$. These coaches are drawing a salary for this stuff and to use their names/resumes.

If Settembrino, Musci, and Broc are coaching their high school and College teams in the spring, who are really coaching these club teams?

Website is vague with no real info. Anyone know who the assistants are?

My Prediction..Within two years, Predators will be elite team competing on equal basis with best teams .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone create a Predators page on the forum? So that we can move away from this topic on the 27 page?

Someone is getting nervous

Originally Posted by Anonymous

St. Paul feeder team !! Lol. Breakers, Rock, and Koopers kids all combine to create a powerhouse!!!

Is this a feeder club or a money grab? St. Paul's has a Middle School. And like 3 other feeder clubs.
How many does St Paul's need to start winning again?

$. These coaches are drawing a salary for this stuff and to use their names/resumes.

If Settembrino, Musci, and Broc are coaching their high school and College teams in the spring, who are really coaching these club teams?

Website is vague with no real info. Anyone know who the assistants are?

The lack of transparency for some of these clubs is crazy.
Parents are shelling out $60 to tryout and they don't even know how much the club costs, what their team philosophy is, or WHO the ACTUAL team coaches are.
It's insane.
People just want to throw their money away, and these programs are glad to take it.
The dense parents chasing this garbage deserve to be taken advantage of.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lots of Hawks helmets seen at different tryouts. Why? And not just bench players.

Hawks goalie and fogo were at Next Level 27 tryouts this week. #fact

So? Who cares? Wasn’t this forum talking about fogo daddy a few weeks ago? I hope Hawks and NL both implode.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lots of Hawks helmets seen at different tryouts. Why? And not just bench players.

Hawks goalie and fogo were at Next Level 27 tryouts this week. #fact

So? Who cares? Wasn’t this forum talking about fogo daddy a few weeks ago? I hope Hawks and NL both implode.

Lots of kids go to tryouts, but will they switch?

They didn't accept. Dont know why they tried out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They didn't accept. Dont know why they tried out.

Based on this forum, aren’t both (or at least one) holding back this year? Wouldn’t that make the 28 Hawks the obvious choice?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They didn't accept. Dont know why they tried out.

Based on this forum, aren’t both (or at least one) holding back this year? Wouldn’t that make the 28 Hawks the obvious choice?

You would think but the Hawks 2028 goalie mom is having a fit about goalie dropping down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They didn't accept. Dont know why they tried out.

Based on this forum, aren’t both (or at least one) holding back this year? Wouldn’t that make the 28 Hawks the obvious choice?

You would think but the Hawks 2028 goalie mom is having a fit about goalie dropping down.

Again- This is not true. This a troll. Nobody on here as any silt inside information

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice job on Sidewinders hiding in the A division instead of AA to win a easy tournament at NXT Cup. NXT, do better!

They had 25 kids and only played 13 of them. Parents were pulling their kids mid season. He needed a win to justify the winless HoCo season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They didn't accept. Dont know why they tried out.

I wonder if they will be at MadLax tryouts tomorrow night. And I wonder if any MadLax or NextLevel players will be at Hawks tryouts. Interesting time of year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They didn't accept. Dont know why they tried out.

Based on this forum, aren’t both (or at least one) holding back this year? Wouldn’t that make the 28 Hawks the obvious choice?

You would think but the Hawks 2028 goalie mom is having a fit about goalie dropping down.

Again- This is not true. This a troll. Nobody on here as any silt inside information

The 2028 thread sure has a goalie defender if it's not true. The 2 Hawks were defintely at NL tryouts. Sorry goalie mom. I see you are now policing the 2027 thread too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They didn't accept. Dont know why they tried out.

Based on this forum, aren’t both (or at least one) holding back this year? Wouldn’t that make the 28 Hawks the obvious choice?

You would think but the Hawks 2028 goalie mom is having a fit about goalie dropping down.

Again- This is not true. This a troll. Nobody on here as any silt inside information

The 2028 thread sure has a goalie defender if it's not true. The 2 Hawks were defintely at NL tryouts. Sorry goalie mom. I see you are now policing the 2027 thread too.

Nobody knows what you're talking about anymore (if they ever did). Some Hawks players went to a different tryout because they're not allowed to tryout for the Hawks because a mom doesn't want them to? Is that what you're trying to say? You definitely have no idea how pathetic you are, but do you have at least some idea of how dense you sound?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They didn't accept. Dont know why they tried out.

Based on this forum, aren’t both (or at least one) holding back this year? Wouldn’t that make the 28 Hawks the obvious choice?

You would think but the Hawks 2028 goalie mom is having a fit about goalie dropping down.

Again- This is not true. This a troll. Nobody on here as any silt inside information

The 2028 thread sure has a goalie defender if it's not true. The 2 Hawks were defintely at NL tryouts. Sorry goalie mom. I see you are now policing the 2027 thread too.

Nobody knows what you're talking about anymore (if they ever did). Some Hawks players went to a different tryout because they're not allowed to tryout for the Hawks because a mom doesn't want them to? Is that what you're trying to say? You definitely have no idea how pathetic you are, but do you have at least some idea of how dense you sound?

Weak troll attempt. You are an embarrassment to BOTC trolls around the country who do a great job of bringing out mommy and daddy emotions the forum. Go away please.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They didn't accept. Dont know why they tried out.

I wonder if they will be at MadLax tryouts tomorrow night. And I wonder if any MadLax or NextLevel players will be at Hawks tryouts. Interesting time of year.

Don’t think any of hawks parents will go to madlax they don’t want to drive that far. There just looking for options because of coaching issues probably. Doubt anyone leaves. Also doubt they get many good additions. Madlax and next level have been catching up to them every year so if I was any of those kids stay where you are.

So now the 2028 Hawks goalie's mom really has her claws out on the 27 thread. That sideline should be a lot of fun this year when the 2027 holdbacks take over those positions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They didn't accept. Dont know why they tried out.

Based on this forum, aren’t both (or at least one) holding back this year? Wouldn’t that make the 28 Hawks the obvious choice?

You would think but the Hawks 2028 goalie mom is having a fit about goalie dropping down.

Again- This is not true. This a troll. Nobody on here as any silt inside information

The 2028 thread sure has a goalie defender if it's not true. The 2 Hawks were defintely at NL tryouts. Sorry goalie mom. I see you are now policing the 2027 thread too.

Nobody knows what you're talking about anymore (if they ever did). Some Hawks players went to a different tryout because they're not allowed to tryout for the Hawks because a mom doesn't want them to? Is that what you're trying to say? You definitely have no idea how pathetic you are, but do you have at least some idea of how dense you sound?

Weak troll attempt. You are an embarrassment to BOTC trolls around the country who do a great job of bringing out mommy and daddy emotions the forum. Go away please.

Easy there girls. Do I see a Catfight coming ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So now the 2028 Hawks goalie's mom really has her claws out on the 27 thread. That sideline should be a lot of fun this year when the 2027 holdbacks take over those positions.

I have a feeling your constant trolling will make zero impact on absolutely anything, and that your team will again lose to the Hawks next season. The rich will get richer unfortunately.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So now the 2028 Hawks goalie's mom really has her claws out on the 27 thread. That sideline should be a lot of fun this year when the 2027 holdbacks take over those positions.

You really know nothing about the situation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So now the 2028 Hawks goalie's mom really has her claws out on the 27 thread. That sideline should be a lot of fun this year when the 2027 holdbacks take over those positions.

You really know nothing about the situation.

I know you are a bitter 2028 Hawks parent who thought the Hawks never had holdbacks and your little player would never be put on the bench by your own organization's players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So now the 2028 Hawks goalie's mom really has her claws out on the 27 thread. That sideline should be a lot of fun this year when the 2027 holdbacks take over those positions.

You really know nothing about the situation.

I know you are a bitter 2028 Hawks parent who thought the Hawks never had holdbacks and your little player would never be put on the bench by your own organization's players.

I’m not the goalie’s mom, neutral observer, but the 28 goalie is better. So you saying the 28 mom is worried about her kid getting passed up by the 27 goalie makes you look the fool.

You made up that the 27 goalie is better, you made up that his mom is here etc. You are a typical anonymous fool.

Who are the coaches for the Preds?

Yes, I see the names on the website. But who are the assistants that will actually be doing the coaching?

Because there’s no way Settembrino or Broc will have time to coach middle school kids in the spring during the HS season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So now the 2028 Hawks goalie's mom really has her claws out on the 27 thread. That sideline should be a lot of fun this year when the 2027 holdbacks take over those positions.

Are they actually holdbacks or have they been playing up at 27? When I spoke with the Hawks parents this Spring, it was shared that the last batch of “holdbacks” were actually always 28s with one exception. It happens at these younger ages.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So now the 2028 Hawks goalie's mom really has her claws out on the 27 thread. That sideline should be a lot of fun this year when the 2027 holdbacks take over those positions.

Are they actually holdbacks or have they been playing up at 27? When I spoke with the Hawks parents this Spring, it was shared that the last batch of “holdbacks” were actually always 28s with one exception. It happens at these younger ages.

Some of each, this round is just holdbacks though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So now the 2028 Hawks goalie's mom really has her claws out on the 27 thread. That sideline should be a lot of fun this year when the 2027 holdbacks take over those positions.

You really know nothing about the situation.

I know you are a bitter 2028 Hawks parent who thought the Hawks never had holdbacks and your little player would never be put on the bench by your own organization's players.

I’m not the goalie’s mom, neutral observer, but the 28 goalie is better. So you saying the 28 mom is worried about her kid getting passed up by the 27 goalie makes you look the fool.

You made up that the 27 goalie is better, you made up that his mom is here etc. You are a typical anonymous fool.

You obviously haven’t seen him play because 27 goalie is better

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are the coaches for the Preds?

Yes, I see the names on the website. But who are the assistants that will actually be doing the coaching?

Because there’s no way Settembrino or Broc will have time to coach middle school kids in the spring during the HS season.

Doesn’t matter Don’t waste your money

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So now the 2028 Hawks goalie's mom really has her claws out on the 27 thread. That sideline should be a lot of fun this year when the 2027 holdbacks take over those positions.

You really know nothing about the situation.

I know you are a bitter 2028 Hawks parent who thought the Hawks never had holdbacks and your little player would never be put on the bench by your own organization's players.

I’m not the goalie’s mom, neutral observer, but the 28 goalie is better. So you saying the 28 mom is worried about her kid getting passed up by the 27 goalie makes you look the fool.

You made up that the 27 goalie is better, you made up that his mom is here etc. You are a typical anonymous fool.

You obviously haven’t seen him play because 27 goalie is better

No he’s not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So now the 2028 Hawks goalie's mom really has her claws out on the 27 thread. That sideline should be a lot of fun this year when the 2027 holdbacks take over those positions.

You really know nothing about the situation.

I know you are a bitter 2028 Hawks parent who thought the Hawks never had holdbacks and your little player would never be put on the bench by your own organization's players.

I’m not the goalie’s mom, neutral observer, but the 28 goalie is better. So you saying the 28 mom is worried about her kid getting passed up by the 27 goalie makes you look the fool.

You made up that the 27 goalie is better, you made up that his mom is here etc. You are a typical anonymous fool.

You obviously haven’t seen him play because 27 goalie is better

FACTS

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are the coaches for the Preds?

Yes, I see the names on the website. But who are the assistants that will actually be doing the coaching?

Because there’s no way Settembrino or Broc will have time to coach middle school kids in the spring during the HS season.

Doesn’t matter Don’t waste your money

Predators should be considered top club by the remark above. Making noise and many players are interested.

Causing worries by several clubs in and around Balt. Will become top club and feeder in less than a year or two.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are the coaches for the Preds?

Yes, I see the names on the website. But who are the assistants that will actually be doing the coaching?

Because there’s no way Settembrino or Broc will have time to coach middle school kids in the spring during the HS season.

Doesn’t matter Don’t waste your money

Predators should be considered top club by the remark above. Making noise and many players are interested.

Causing worries by several clubs in and around Balt. Will become top club and feeder in less than a year or two.

Please identify yourself so we can reap praise on you for your wisdom next year, or publicly Stone you for you’re moronic babbling

What MD teams going to WSYL next summer?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are the coaches for the Preds?

Yes, I see the names on the website. But who are the assistants that will actually be doing the coaching?

Because there’s no way Settembrino or Broc will have time to coach middle school kids in the spring during the HS season.

Doesn’t matter Don’t waste your money

Predators should be considered top club by the remark above. Making noise and many players are interested.

Causing worries by several clubs in and around Balt. Will become top club and feeder in less than a year or two.

Please identify yourself so we can reap praise on you for your wisdom next year, or publicly Stone you for you’re moronic babbling

Ha now that’s funny. Making so much noise but can’t even identify who the coach is ? Yes we should all be afraid

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are the coaches for the Preds?

Yes, I see the names on the website. But who are the assistants that will actually be doing the coaching?

Because there’s no way Settembrino or Broc will have time to coach middle school kids in the spring during the HS season.

Doesn’t matter Don’t waste your money

Predators should be considered top club by the remark above. Making noise and many players are interested.

Causing worries by several clubs in and around Balt. Will become top club and feeder in less than a year or two.

Please identify yourself so we can reap praise on you for your wisdom next year, or publicly Stone you for you’re moronic babbling

Looks like someone was waiting for a personal invite and didnt get it. No worries, just show up and have your son do his best at tryouts, who knows, he might have what it takes to be a Predator.

Ok so after the dust settles with tryouts what is your preseason top 10 in Maryland for the Fall?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What MD teams going to WSYL next summer?

I think it will depend on where it is held.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are the coaches for the Preds?

Yes, I see the names on the website. But who are the assistants that will actually be doing the coaching?

Because there’s no way Settembrino or Broc will have time to coach middle school kids in the spring during the HS season.

Doesn’t matter Don’t waste your money

Predators should be considered top club by the remark above. Making noise and many players are interested.

Causing worries by several clubs in and around Balt. Will become top club and feeder in less than a year or two.

Please identify yourself so we can reap praise on you for your wisdom next year, or publicly Stone you for you’re moronic babbling

Looks like someone was waiting for a personal invite and didnt get it. No worries, just show up and have your son do his best at tryouts, who knows, he might have what it takes to be a Predator.

What does it take to be a Predator? A blank check and willingness to say "I believe!" without any information?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are the coaches for the Preds?

Yes, I see the names on the website. But who are the assistants that will actually be doing the coaching?

Because there’s no way Settembrino or Broc will have time to coach middle school kids in the spring during the HS season.

Doesn’t matter Don’t waste your money

Predators should be considered top club by the remark above. Making noise and many players are interested.

Causing worries by several clubs in and around Balt. Will become top club and feeder in less than a year or two.

Please identify yourself so we can reap praise on you for your wisdom next year, or publicly Stone you for you’re moronic babbling

Looks like someone was waiting for a personal invite and didnt get it. No worries, just show up and have your son do his best at tryouts, who knows, he might have what it takes to be a Predator.

The only thing it takes to be a predator is being cut by every other elite team. Your tryouts are to late and there no draw to go there. Only hawks are later with tryouts and none of those kids are going to predators at least not any good ones. Rumor was coach was going to takes kids over there that doesn’t look to happen or him even going there. Should of just stayed in New York where program wasn’t successful either.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What MD teams going to WSYL next summer?

I think it will depend on where it is held.

WSYL be in Maryland in 2022. Soccerplex

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are the coaches for the Preds?

Yes, I see the names on the website. But who are the assistants that will actually be doing the coaching?

Because there’s no way Settembrino or Broc will have time to coach middle school kids in the spring during the HS season.

Doesn’t matter Don’t waste your money

Predators should be considered top club by the remark above. Making noise and many players are interested.

Causing worries by several clubs in and around Balt. Will become top club and feeder in less than a year or two.

Please identify yourself so we can reap praise on you for your wisdom next year, or publicly Stone you for you’re moronic babbling

Looks like someone was waiting for a personal invite and didnt get it. No worries, just show up and have your son do his best at tryouts, who knows, he might have what it takes to be a Predator.

The only thing it takes to be a predator is being cut by every other elite team. Your tryouts are to late and there no draw to go there. Only hawks are later with tryouts and none of those kids are going to predators at least not any good ones. Rumor was coach was going to takes kids over there that doesn’t look to happen or him even going there. Should of just stayed in New York where program wasn’t successful either.

Wow someone is worried, Competing Club Coach or parent of a son who isnt up to Predators standards? Do tell. Sorry , Up and coming Predators will be a force, just a matter of time. Deal with it !

If you’r not a predator, you’re the prey! Thems is facts!

Actually feel bad for some kid who’s parents take to them to play for the “predators”, every single team they play is going to run the darn score up through the roof!

I think what you are trying to say is “dedicated, passionate, committed to the boys growth, mixed in with some tough love and holding the boys accountable”. That Crabs team came a long way with that coach and his staff.

Maybe kids are going to Predators or by choice moving to another organization because their parents are tired of paying thousands of dollars for the son to be coached by Daddy Coaches and drunks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe kids are going to Predators or by choice moving to another organization because their parents are tired of paying thousands of dollars for the son to be coached by Daddy Coaches and drunks.

You realize the Preds have Daddy Coaches, right?

Did Predators announce who will be coaching the 2027’s?

So the Predators announced the 2027 coaches?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe kids are going to Predators or by choice moving to another organization because their parents are tired of paying thousands of dollars for the son to be coached by Daddy Coaches and drunks.

That’s right forgot everybody that plays for predators will automatically be accepted to St. Paul’s. If you get another “daddy” coach at predators just make sure he doesn’t go on vacation in middle of last tournament of the year to show how much really cares about your team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the Predators announced the 2027 coaches?

No. Pay $60 to tryout and they might tell you. But probably not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe kids are going to Predators or by choice moving to another organization because their parents are tired of paying thousands of dollars for the son to be coached by Daddy Coaches and drunks.

That’s right forgot everybody that plays for predators will automatically be accepted to St. Paul’s. If you get another “daddy” coach at predators just make sure he doesn’t go on vacation in middle of last tournament of the year to show how much really cares about your team.

I see you are bitter about your son not getting into St Pauls too. BL is good school too.

" Get another Daddy coach" just shows you are a really upset about the high flying Predators Club. This is their first year , hard to have another ,LOL..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe kids are going to Predators or by choice moving to another organization because their parents are tired of paying thousands of dollars for the son to be coached by Daddy Coaches and drunks.

That’s right forgot everybody that plays for predators will automatically be accepted to St. Paul’s. If you get another “daddy” coach at predators just make sure he doesn’t go on vacation in middle of last tournament of the year to show how much really cares about your team.

I see you are bitter about your son not getting into St Pauls too. BL is good school too.

" Get another Daddy coach" just shows you are a really upset about the high flying Predators Club. This is their first year , hard to have another ,LOL..

Are you really arguing that St Paul's has admission standards and turns people away? None of these privates turn people down. Especially St Paul's.
Seriously, what makes Predators different from Koopers and Rock- the other St.P's feeder clubs?
And at this point, why would anyone need help to get in, or play for St Paul's?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe kids are going to Predators or by choice moving to another organization because their parents are tired of paying thousands of dollars for the son to be coached by Daddy Coaches and drunks.

That’s right forgot everybody that plays for predators will automatically be accepted to St. Paul’s. If you get another “daddy” coach at predators just make sure he doesn’t go on vacation in middle of last tournament of the year to show how much really cares about your team.

I see you are bitter about your son not getting into St Pauls too. BL is good school too.

" Get another Daddy coach" just shows you are a really upset about the high flying Predators Club. This is their first year , hard to have another ,LOL..

Good luck in AAA. Maybe they will win some games there

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe kids are going to Predators or by choice moving to another organization because their parents are tired of paying thousands of dollars for the son to be coached by Daddy Coaches and drunks.

That’s right forgot everybody that plays for predators will automatically be accepted to St. Paul’s. If you get another “daddy” coach at predators just make sure he doesn’t go on vacation in middle of last tournament of the year to show how much really cares about your team.

I see you are bitter about your son not getting into St Pauls too. BL is good school too.

" Get another Daddy coach" just shows you are a really upset about the high flying Predators Club. This is their first year , hard to have another ,LOL..

Are you really arguing that St Paul's has admission standards and turns people away? None of these privates turn people down. Especially St Paul's.
Seriously, what makes Predators different from Koopers and Rock- the other St.P's feeder clubs?
And at this point, why would anyone need help to get in, or play for St Paul's?

Obviously your son has never attempted to get into a private school in Baltimore. Very competetive depending on grade and school.

Predators will have excellant coaching along with close ties to a top Private and Public High Schools. Sorry you are
so bitter about Predators. Just show up for tryouts, never know, your son may make a top team after all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe kids are going to Predators or by choice moving to another organization because their parents are tired of paying thousands of dollars for the son to be coached by Daddy Coaches and drunks.

That’s right forgot everybody that plays for predators will automatically be accepted to St. Paul’s. If you get another “daddy” coach at predators just make sure he doesn’t go on vacation in middle of last tournament of the year to show how much really cares about your team.

I see you are bitter about your son not getting into St Pauls too. BL is good school too.

" Get another Daddy coach" just shows you are a really upset about the high flying Predators Club. This is their first year , hard to have another ,LOL..

Are you really arguing that St Paul's has admission standards and turns people away? None of these privates turn people down. Especially St Paul's.
Seriously, what makes Predators different from Koopers and Rock- the other St.P's feeder clubs?
And at this point, why would anyone need help to get in, or play for St Paul's?

Obviously your son has never attempted to get into a private school in Baltimore. Very competetive depending on grade and school.

Predators will have excellant coaching along with close ties to a top Private and Public High Schools. Sorry you are
so bitter about Predators. Just show up for tryouts, never know, your son may make a top team after all.

Well aware of the private school scene. I have a 25, 23 and 21. NDP, Gilman and the other at Loyola.

They had their pick. All were average public school kids. And all went 3-0 for acceptances. But refused to choose the same school to simplify our commutes. The only kids who we saw struggling with acceptances all had learning issues.

Predators or Prey...which are you? HIT THE WALL

What’s the o/u of kids who show up to try out for predators?

30?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe kids are going to Predators or by choice moving to another organization because their parents are tired of paying thousands of dollars for the son to be coached by Daddy Coaches and drunks.

That’s right forgot everybody that plays for predators will automatically be accepted to St. Paul’s. If you get another “daddy” coach at predators just make sure he doesn’t go on vacation in middle of last tournament of the year to show how much really cares about your team.

I see you are bitter about your son not getting into St Pauls too. BL is good school too.

" Get another Daddy coach" just shows you are a really upset about the high flying Predators Club. This is their first year , hard to have another ,LOL..

Are you really arguing that St Paul's has admission standards and turns people away? None of these privates turn people down. Especially St Paul's.
Seriously, what makes Predators different from Koopers and Rock- the other St.P's feeder clubs?
And at this point, why would anyone need help to get in, or play for St Paul's?

Obviously your son has never attempted to get into a private school in Baltimore. Very competetive depending on grade and school.

Predators will have excellant coaching along with close ties to a top Private and Public High Schools. Sorry you are
so bitter about Predators. Just show up for tryouts, never know, your son may make a top team after all.

Well aware of the private school scene. I have a 25, 23 and 21. NDP, Gilman and the other at Loyola.

They had their pick. All were average public school kids. And all went 3-0 for acceptances. But refused to choose the same school to simplify our commutes. The only kids who we saw struggling with acceptances all had learning issues.

Sorry for your average students. It is Hilarious how you decided to apply to three different schools with three different older gardes at once . Can you at least try to be believable. Now Hit The Books to get to above average.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s the o/u of kids who show up to try out for predators?

30?

Little low per team, maybe 10-20 higher would be closer. Top teams get top talent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok so after the dust settles with tryouts what is your preseason top 10 in Maryland for the Fall?

Surprised some hawks dad hasn’t responded to this with the famous hawks 1 then everybody else. I think next year they might not be able to hold on to that spot

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok so after the dust settles with tryouts what is your preseason top 10 in Maryland for the Fall?

Surprised some hawks dad hasn’t responded to this with the famous hawks 1 then everybody else. I think next year they might not be able to hold on to that spot

That’s never a Hawks dad. You know better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe kids are going to Predators or by choice moving to another organization because their parents are tired of paying thousands of dollars for the son to be coached by Daddy Coaches and drunks.

That’s right forgot everybody that plays for predators will automatically be accepted to St. Paul’s. If you get another “daddy” coach at predators just make sure he doesn’t go on vacation in middle of last tournament of the year to show how much really cares about your team.

I see you are bitter about your son not getting into St Pauls too. BL is good school too.

" Get another Daddy coach" just shows you are a really upset about the high flying Predators Club. This is their first year , hard to have another ,LOL..

Are you really arguing that St Paul's has admission standards and turns people away? None of these privates turn people down. Especially St Paul's.
Seriously, what makes Predators different from Koopers and Rock- the other St.P's feeder clubs?
And at this point, why would anyone need help to get in, or play for St Paul's?

Obviously your son has never attempted to get into a private school in Baltimore. Very competetive depending on grade and school.

Predators will have excellant coaching along with close ties to a top Private and Public High Schools. Sorry you are
so bitter about Predators. Just show up for tryouts, never know, your son may make a top team after all.

Well aware of the private school scene. I have a 25, 23 and 21. NDP, Gilman and the other at Loyola.

They had their pick. All were average public school kids. And all went 3-0 for acceptances. But refused to choose the same school to simplify our commutes. The only kids who we saw struggling with acceptances all had learning issues.

Sorry for your average students. It is Hilarious how you decided to apply to three different schools with three different older gardes at once . Can you at least try to be believable. Now Hit The Books to get to above average.

There is nothing wrong with average kids. 99.99% of kids are average. You have them too.
You just can't admit it.
This whole forum is parents of average kids trying to make themselves believe their kid is above average.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe kids are going to Predators or by choice moving to another organization because their parents are tired of paying thousands of dollars for the son to be coached by Daddy Coaches and drunks.

That’s right forgot everybody that plays for predators will automatically be accepted to St. Paul’s. If you get another “daddy” coach at predators just make sure he doesn’t go on vacation in middle of last tournament of the year to show how much really cares about your team.

I see you are bitter about your son not getting into St Pauls too. BL is good school too.

" Get another Daddy coach" just shows you are a really upset about the high flying Predators Club. This is their first year , hard to have another ,LOL..

Are you really arguing that St Paul's has admission standards and turns people away? None of these privates turn people down. Especially St Paul's.
Seriously, what makes Predators different from Koopers and Rock- the other St.P's feeder clubs?
And at this point, why would anyone need help to get in, or play for St Paul's?

Obviously your son has never attempted to get into a private school in Baltimore. Very competetive depending on grade and school.

Predators will have excellant coaching along with close ties to a top Private and Public High Schools. Sorry you are
so bitter about Predators. Just show up for tryouts, never know, your son may make a top team after all.

Well aware of the private school scene. I have a 25, 23 and 21. NDP, Gilman and the other at Loyola.

They had their pick. All were average public school kids. And all went 3-0 for acceptances. But refused to choose the same school to simplify our commutes. The only kids who we saw struggling with acceptances all had learning issues.

Sorry for your average students. It is Hilarious how you decided to apply to three different schools with three different older gardes at once . Can you at least try to be believable. Now Hit The Books to get to above average.

There is nothing wrong with average kids. 99.99% of kids are average. You have them too.
You just can't admit it.
This whole forum is parents of average kids trying to make themselves believe their kid is above average.

99.99% of kids are average?
So .005 are above average and .005 are below?

You must be one of those below average if you think that's how it works.

Big changes coming to this year's MadLax 2027 roster. Good job ML in taking a really good team and wrecking it for one small covid season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Big changes coming to this year's MadLax 2027 roster. Good job ML in taking a really good team and wrecking it for one small covid season.

Same with the Hawks 2027 roster.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Big changes coming to this year's MadLax 2027 roster. Good job ML in taking a really good team and wrecking it for one small covid season.

hahahaha! What did you expect from a team that has tryouts every season!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Big changes coming to this year's MadLax 2027 roster. Good job ML in taking a really good team and wrecking it for one small covid season.

hahahaha! What did you expect from a team that has tryouts every season!

Spill the tea.. what’s going with ML?

Heard the Hawks goalie is going to Next Level, not reclassify

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Big changes coming to this year's MadLax 2027 roster. Good job ML in taking a really good team and wrecking it for one small covid season.

Same with the Hawks 2027 roster.

Fake News. Stop trying to split this team up on a BS message board.

Forget ML/NL/Hawks...Nationals is the team..are you gonna be there August 7?

HIT THE WALL AND BE THERE

I guess you haven’t seen other teams tryouts then

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Forget ML/NL/Hawks...Nationals is the team..are you gonna be there August 7?

HIT THE WALL AND BE THERE

What a joke nationals has tryouts ever camp before tournaments it’s a constant revolving team along with there rising cost. It’s a cool thing to do if you have lots extra cash.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

99.99% of kids are average?
So .005 are above average and .005 are below?
You must be one of those below average if you think that's how it works.

I actually understand what exceptional means. Your kid won't be going pro, in any sports. Or be an astronaut or brain surgeon.
So he's average, like almost every other kid out there. And that's ok.
How do you define exceptional? (aside from making the Predators?) Please enlighten us.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Big changes coming to this year's MadLax 2027 roster. Good job ML in taking a really good team and wrecking it for one small covid season.

Same with the Hawks 2027 roster.

Fake News. Stop trying to split this team up on a BS message board.

There are lots of rumors about hawks 27 team. We will see soon if any of them are true. I’m curious if something is happening with madlax they looked good in spring but lost some games I didn’t expect in summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Big changes coming to this year's MadLax 2027 roster. Good job ML in taking a really good team and wrecking it for one small covid season.

hahahaha! What did you expect from a team that has tryouts every season!

Spill the tea.. what’s going with ML?

Always double check your email recipients before hitting send!

I hear that the Nationals are ducking the predators. What have you guys heard?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

99.99% of kids are average?
So .005 are above average and .005 are below?
You must be one of those below average if you think that's how it works.

I actually understand what exceptional means. Your kid won't be going pro, in any sports. Or be an astronaut or brain surgeon.
So he's average, like almost every other kid out there. And that's ok.
How do you define exceptional? (aside from making the Predators?) Please enlighten us.

Finally someone gets it. Short of winning a Nobel Prize only clear way I know to define exceptionalism is by making the Predators . Make them, it is all downhill from there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I hear that the Nationals are ducking the predators. What have you guys heard?

Same here. Shame, it would be a decent game. Well as long as Predators put in reserves second half.No one like a blow out

Madlax losing at least 1 player to NL. Where would madlax kids go? BLC is way down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax losing at least 1 player to NL. Where would madlax kids go? BLC is way down.

Was it a starter or key contributor?

What level are the Mesa MD teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

99.99% of kids are average?
So .005 are above average and .005 are below?
You must be one of those below average if you think that's how it works.

I actually understand what exceptional means. Your kid won't be going pro, in any sports. Or be an astronaut or brain surgeon.
So he's average, like almost every other kid out there. And that's ok.
How do you define exceptional? (aside from making the Predators?) Please enlighten us.

Well genius, you used the word average and then change to exceptional and no the opposite of average is not exceptional.

For your reference: average -

a number expressing the central or typical value in a set of data, in particular the mode, median, or (most commonly) the mean, which is calculated by dividing the sum of the values in the set by their number

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I hear that the Nationals are ducking the predators. What have you guys heard?

Same here. Shame, it would be a decent game. Well as long as Predators put in reserves second half.No one like a blow out

Careful what you ask for nationals already beat top 2 teams hawks and NL. They have some of the best kids from top teams in country. You obviously know nothing about the kids on that team. But please continue to make us laugh with your predators are going to make noise this year.

Tall attack

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Big changes coming to this year's MadLax 2027 roster. Good job ML in taking a really good team and wrecking it for one small covid season.

Same with the Hawks 2027 roster.

Fake News. Stop trying to split this team up on a BS message board.

Hahaha, don’t need a message board- they are doing it perfectly fine on their own-

Goalie/Middie to NL 27

4-5 others to True Annapolis

Tall attack

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What level are the Mesa MD teams?

27 is a solid A team, not elite.

Nationals goalie to hawks…that is what I’m hearing. Time to put the women and children to bed and go looking for dinner!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What level are the Mesa MD teams?

AAA they were good in that division but I think some of there better kids may tryout for some elite teams

Please don’t start the Nationals talk. Let’s talk Md teams. They should be the top team at any tournament they go to. It would be embarrassing not to win against local and regional teams when you are pulling the best kids off of elite teams across the country. So yes the Nationals are the best and is a great money maker for the guy that runs it!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Forget ML/NL/Hawks...Nationals is the team..are you gonna be there August 7?

HIT THE WALL AND BE THERE

What a joke nationals has tryouts ever camp before tournaments it’s a constant revolving team along with there rising cost. It’s a cool thing to do if you have lots extra cash.

G is a grifter. Run away from this organization as fast as you can.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tall attack

From Madlax?

Yes from madlax

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What level are the Mesa MD teams?

AAA they were good in that division but I think some of there better kids may tryout for some elite teams

They lost most of their strong players after hoco. Very poor tournament showing. The Severna Park/Mesa bit went as bad as the Arden/API pipeline. Rec to Club just doesn't work. History repeating!

Complete money grab, for delusional Dads with early growth spurt kids. Be smarter. No, no one is jealous, and no, no one needs to hit the wall over this BS. Find a good local club and promote hard work and commitment. They are fleecing you like crazy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please don’t start the Nationals talk. Let’s talk Md teams. They should be the top team at any tournament they go to. It would be embarrassing not to win against local and regional teams when you are pulling the best kids off of elite teams across the country. So yes the Nationals are the best and is a great money maker for the guy that runs it!

Correct

True Annapolis tryouts had lots of talent today! Predators who?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True Annapolis tryouts had lots of talent today! Predators who?

True? LOL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True Annapolis tryouts had lots of talent today! Predators who?

So will we see you in the elite division this year? Might get one win there.

Top 10 preseason Fall: Just for fun not trying to disrespect anyone.

1.Hawks (goalie pretty big deal?) Picked up Crabs best player
2. NL- Sounds like same strong team with a few new additions from other elite clubs
3. Madlax- Sounds like same strong team minus a couple
4. Crabs- took over FCA like 9 players not sure how all that will jell
5. Team Md- same team minus a Middie to NL
6. Team 91- lost fogo to Crabs
7. FCA- not sure who is left?
8. True Annapolis- sounds like they could be moving up much higher?
9. Sidewinders
10. Mesa

Others receiving votes
Predators

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True Annapolis tryouts had lots of talent today! Predators who?

Thanks for posting. Looking forward to reading 62 comments trashing True and making us all tremble over the force that is Predators.

I’ll throw in a “hit the wall” too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True Annapolis tryouts had lots of talent today! Predators who?

Thanks for posting. Looking forward to reading 62 comments trashing True and making us all tremble over the force that is Predators.

I’ll throw in a “hit the wall” too.

Is this True? Or True Green? Or True National? Or True National Mid-Atlantic? Or some other local True team? I’m having a hard time keeping my Trues straight.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True Annapolis tryouts had lots of talent today! Predators who?

Thanks for posting. Looking forward to reading 62 comments trashing True and making us all tremble over the force that is Predators.

I’ll throw in a “hit the wall” too.

Is this True? Or True Green? Or True National? Or True National Mid-Atlantic? Or some other local True team? I’m having a hard time keeping my Trues straight.

True purple? True mid-Atlantic cantmakethehawks? True Ourparentsaredrunkerthanyours

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True Annapolis tryouts had lots of talent today! Predators who?

Thanks for posting. Looking forward to reading 62 comments trashing True and making us all tremble over the force that is Predators.

I’ll throw in a “hit the wall” too.

Is this True? Or True Green? Or True National? Or True National Mid-Atlantic? Or some other local True team? I’m having a hard time keeping my Trues straight.

Don't forget True DC. OR True Kelly Post.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True Annapolis tryouts had lots of talent today! Predators who?

Thanks for posting. Looking forward to reading 62 comments trashing True and making us all tremble over the force that is Predators.

I’ll throw in a “hit the wall” too.

Is this True? Or True Green? Or True National? Or True National Mid-Atlantic? Or some other local True team? I’m having a hard time keeping my Trues straight.

Don't forget True DC. OR True Kelly Post.

True Belfast Valley

28 board says Hawks 27 fogo reclassed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top 10 preseason Fall: Just for fun not trying to disrespect anyone.

1.Hawks (goalie pretty big deal?) Picked up Crabs best player
2. NL- Sounds like same strong team with a few new additions from other elite clubs
3. Madlax- Sounds like same strong team minus a couple
4. Crabs- took over FCA like 9 players not sure how all that will jell
5. Team Md- same team minus a Middie to NL
6. Team 91- lost fogo to Crabs
7. FCA- not sure who is left?
8. True Annapolis- sounds like they could be moving up much higher?
9. Sidewinders
10. Mesa

Others receiving votes
Predators

Sidewinders? Seriously?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True Annapolis tryouts had lots of talent today! Predators who?

Thanks for posting. Looking forward to reading 62 comments trashing True and making us all tremble over the force that is Predators.

I’ll throw in a “hit the wall” too.

Is this True? Or True Green? Or True National? Or True National Mid-Atlantic? Or some other local True team? I’m having a hard time keeping my Trues straight.

Don't forget True DC. OR True Kelly Post.

True Easternshorecantmakethehawks

True Domestic Assault

True Pukeneongreenwascool6yearsago

Glad to see all you stunads are back on here posting trash about other clubs. Nothing like a rainy day to bring out a lost dad that has nothing better to do with his time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Glad to see all you stunads are back on here posting trash about other clubs. Nothing like a rainy day to bring out a lost dad that has nothing better to do with his time.

True Annapolis Stunads

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Glad to see all you stunads are back on here posting trash about other clubs. Nothing like a rainy day to bring out a lost dad that has nothing better to do with his time.

True Annapolis Stunads

Nope try again lost

Originally Posted by Anonymous

28 board says Hawks 27 fogo reclassed.

Will miss his dad on the sidelines

Originally Posted by Anonymous

28 board says Hawks 27 fogo reclassed.

Will miss his dad on the sidelines

No you won’t. He’s Madlax’s problem now

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top 10 preseason Fall: Just for fun not trying to disrespect anyone.

1.Hawks (goalie pretty big deal?) Picked up Crabs best player
2. NL- Sounds like same strong team with a few new additions from other elite clubs
3. Madlax- Sounds like same strong team minus a couple
4. Crabs- took over FCA like 9 players not sure how all that will jell
5. Team Md- same team minus a Middie to NL
6. Team 91- lost fogo to Crabs
7. FCA- not sure who is left?
8. True Annapolis- sounds like they could be moving up much higher?
9. Sidewinders
10. Mesa

Others receiving votes
Predators

Good list. Heard Predators got some decent players. Will all play out in Spring.

The 27s will be fun to see this year. Too early to tell with all the shuffling around. But this list is as good as any. There was some good talent at the Baltimore team tryouts- FCA, Crabs, 91, Koopers and Preds all looked good. I assume Hawks was well attended too. I think there were lots of kids shopping this year prepping for Hs. Good looking class as a whole. Where they all land and how it shakes out will be interesting.

Decent list, I would assume. Went to the FCA, 91 and Preds tryouts. All had good numbers and talent. Just depends on who lands where, if they get coached up, and how they gel.
What fall tourneys will these teams play in?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 27s will be fun to see this year. Too early to tell with all the shuffling around. But this list is as good as any. There was some good talent at the Baltimore team tryouts- FCA, Crabs, 91, Koopers and Preds all looked good. I assume Hawks was well attended too. I think there were lots of kids shopping this year prepping for Hs. Good looking class as a whole. Where they all land and how it shakes out will be interesting.

Nope, hawks had maybe 30.

1 Hawks
2 NL
3 TeamMD
4 91
5 True Annap
6 Crabs
7 ML
8 Koopers
9 Preds
10 FCA
Bubble- Sidewinders Mesa

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top 10 preseason Fall: Just for fun not trying to disrespect anyone.

1.Hawks (goalie pretty big deal?) Picked up Crabs best player
2. NL- Sounds like same strong team with a few new additions from other elite clubs
3. Madlax- Sounds like same strong team minus a couple
4. Crabs- took over FCA like 9 players not sure how all that will jell
5. Team Md- same team minus a Middie to NL
6. Team 91- lost fogo to Crabs
7. FCA- not sure who is left?
8. True Annapolis- sounds like they could be moving up much higher?
9. Sidewinders
10. Mesa

Others receiving votes
Predators

Good list. Heard Predators got some decent players. Will all play out in Spring.

Good list for fall but think top 4 will change by spring. Also don’t see Mesa in elite and FCA may fall closer to the bottom

If the Preds are up at St. Pauls, they would have to draw from Crabs and FCA and I can't see their kids jumping for a new club. True Annapolis has tons of unhappy kids since the coach is pretty awful, but they won't commute from Annapolis or Kent Island to St. Pauls. What are the chances Preds stay closer to AACO?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the Preds are up at St. Pauls, they would have to draw from Crabs and FCA and I can't see their kids jumping for a new club. True Annapolis has tons of unhappy kids since the coach is pretty awful, but they won't commute from Annapolis or Kent Island to St. Pauls. What are the chances Preds stay closer to AACO?

If that’s the case, it sounds like it would be a good move for Predators.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the Preds are up at St. Pauls, they would have to draw from Crabs and FCA and I can't see their kids jumping for a new club. True Annapolis has tons of unhappy kids since the coach is pretty awful, but they won't commute from Annapolis or Kent Island to St. Pauls. What are the chances Preds stay closer to AACO?

Not for the 27s. I heard they are mostly Crabs, FCA, 91, and Koopers kids right now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1 Hawks
2 NL
3 TeamMD
4 91
5 True Annap
6 Crabs
7 ML
8 Koopers
9 Preds
10 FCA
Bubble- Sidewinders Mesa

Madlax 7? 91 4? Koopers? Team Md 3? True Annapolis 5? You must not have seen these teams play!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1 Hawks
2 NL
3 TeamMD
4 91
5 True Annap
6 Crabs
7 ML
8 Koopers
9 Preds
10 FCA
Bubble- Sidewinders Mesa

Madlax 7? 91 4? Koopers? Team Md 3? True Annapolis 5? You must not have seen these teams play!

I agree this list is terrible . Also with all the rumors about hawks don’t be surprised if they fall to middle of division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the Preds are up at St. Pauls, they would have to draw from Crabs and FCA and I can't see their kids jumping for a new club. True Annapolis has tons of unhappy kids since the coach is pretty awful, but they won't commute from Annapolis or Kent Island to St. Pauls. What are the chances Preds stay closer to AACO?

If that’s the case, it sounds like it would be a good move for Predators.

They will get some good players. Crabs and FCA plus other clubs will lose out to them, And especially the St Pauls boys and Towson HS boys. Predators look to be a force in Balt sooner than we think.

Gotta love the True "Family" motto as they cut last year's players for new ones. Thanks for the cash, see ya little brother!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Gotta love the True "Family" motto as they cut last year's players for new ones. Thanks for the cash, see ya little brother!

True is B level wherever it pops up looking for its next gravy train

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Gotta love the True "Family" motto as they cut last year's players for new ones. Thanks for the cash, see ya little brother!

So a program should turn down better players if it would take the spot of an existing kid? #everybodygetsatrophy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When other club sports like soccer are strict on this why is pointing this discrepancy in lacrosse nonsense. I've seen well talented kids kicked off their club team when a kid plays down takes their place. And parents who brag that their kids are playing up in club when actually playing in the right age group, not school year, are right to be called out.

It’s because you’re calling out people who aren’t breaking any rules. This isn’t soccer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Gotta love the True "Family" motto as they cut last year's players for new ones. Thanks for the cash, see ya little brother!

Ummm, that is every team at every level you bozo. It’s why you hold tryouts bozo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Gotta love the True "Family" motto as they cut last year's players for new ones. Thanks for the cash, see ya little brother!

Ummm, that is every team at every level you bozo. It’s why you hold tryouts bozo.

True doesn't cut anyone. But hey, if you keep working hard, maybe your son will qualify for a state or national team!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the Preds are up at St. Pauls, they would have to draw from Crabs and FCA and I can't see their kids jumping for a new club. True Annapolis has tons of unhappy kids since the coach is pretty awful, but they won't commute from Annapolis or Kent Island to St. Pauls. What are the chances Preds stay closer to AACO?

If that’s the case, it sounds like it would be a good move for Predators.

They will get some good players. Crabs and FCA plus other clubs will lose out to them, And especially the St Pauls boys and Towson HS boys. Predators look to be a force in Balt sooner than we think.

Yeah looking at predators Instagram they may just have enough people that tried out to make a complete team. Their gear is already up for sale and terrible looking. But please continue to promote this future powerhouse lacrosse club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the Preds are up at St. Pauls, they would have to draw from Crabs and FCA and I can't see their kids jumping for a new club. True Annapolis has tons of unhappy kids since the coach is pretty awful, but they won't commute from Annapolis or Kent Island to St. Pauls. What are the chances Preds stay closer to AACO?

If that’s the case, it sounds like it would be a good move for Predators.

They will get some good players. Crabs and FCA plus other clubs will lose out to them, And especially the St Pauls boys and Towson HS boys. Predators look to be a force in Balt sooner than we think.

Yeah looking at predators Instagram they may just have enough people that tried out to make a complete team. Their gear is already up for sale and terrible looking. But please continue to promote this future powerhouse lacrosse club.

I think someone's son didnt get an invite to try out for one of the better up and coming clubs in Balt, or is it a cut issue? Stop the blame game and look inward. Maybe elite lacrosse isnt his cup of tea, Little advice, lacrosse can be fun at any level for children as long as parents dont get embarrassed .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the Preds are up at St. Pauls, they would have to draw from Crabs and FCA and I can't see their kids jumping for a new club. True Annapolis has tons of unhappy kids since the coach is pretty awful, but they won't commute from Annapolis or Kent Island to St. Pauls. What are the chances Preds stay closer to AACO?

If that’s the case, it sounds like it would be a good move for Predators.

They will get some good players. Crabs and FCA plus other clubs will lose out to them, And especially the St Pauls boys and Towson HS boys. Predators look to be a force in Balt sooner than we think.

Yeah looking at predators Instagram they may just have enough people that tried out to make a complete team. Their gear is already up for sale and terrible looking. But please continue to promote this future powerhouse lacrosse club.

OK, we will, "terrible looking" gear and all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the Preds are up at St. Pauls, they would have to draw from Crabs and FCA and I can't see their kids jumping for a new club. True Annapolis has tons of unhappy kids since the coach is pretty awful, but they won't commute from Annapolis or Kent Island to St. Pauls. What are the chances Preds stay closer to AACO?

If that’s the case, it sounds like it would be a good move for Predators.

They will get some good players. Crabs and FCA plus other clubs will lose out to them, And especially the St Pauls boys and Towson HS boys. Predators look to be a force in Balt sooner than we think.

Yeah looking at predators Instagram they may just have enough people that tried out to make a complete team. Their gear is already up for sale and terrible looking. But please continue to promote this future powerhouse lacrosse club.

I think someone's son didnt get an invite to try out for one of the better up and coming clubs in Balt, or is it a cut issue? Stop the blame game and look inward. Maybe elite lacrosse isnt his cup of tea, Little advice, lacrosse can be fun at any level for children as long as parents dont get embarrassed .

Thanks I needed a good laugh today

No one's gear can compete with 91's.

"BEST GEAR IN THE GAME!"
-MM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No one's gear can compete with 91's.

"BEST GEAR IN THE GAME!"
-MM

There helmets are nice. Predators could of picked better colors. Gear looks like popsicle

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No one's gear can compete with 91's.

"BEST GEAR IN THE GAME!"
-MM

There helmets are nice. Predators could of picked better colors. Gear looks like popsicle

They look like bombpops

went to predators tryouts. looked like good numbers with crabs 91 & fca helmets. some good kids with helmets ive never seen to. we will see.

We are glad you won’t be on our team next year- you have been so obnoxious and annoying- bye Felicia

get a life buddy- you didn’t send your son to practice if it was raining- he didn’t earn a spot to play. We won’t miss you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We are glad you won’t be on our team next year- you have been so obnoxious and annoying- bye Felicia

Originally Posted by Anonymous

get a life buddy- you didn’t send your son to practice if it was raining- he didn’t earn a spot to play. We won’t miss you.

Does anybody know what these 2 people are actually talking about? Love the late night post that make zero since.

Whoops- was referring to the - no longer- Hawks dad crying that his son didn’t get enough playing time

It’s all bs.

Made up drama.

The reality is one dad is insecure about a new club, for no reason, just trying to troll the board by being obnoxious.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s all bs.

Made up drama.

The reality is one dad is insecure about a new club, for no reason, just trying to troll the board by being obnoxious.

Are we talking about predators? With looneys folding up are their kids moving over

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s all bs.

Made up drama.

The reality is one dad is insecure about a new club, for no reason, just trying to troll the board by being obnoxious.

Are we talking about predators? With looneys folding up are their kids moving over

Predators will be picking up a bunch of Looneys if the decide to not have a team , which it looks like, BS drama is about another club, not Predators.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s all bs.

Made up drama.

The reality is one dad is insecure about a new club, for no reason, just trying to troll the board by being obnoxious.

Are we talking about predators? With looneys folding up are their kids moving over

Predators will be picking up a bunch of Looneys if the decide to not have a team , which it looks like, BS drama is about another club, not Predators.

A bunch? Or one? Full roster at St Pauls.

How was final Hawks tryout? Big turnout? Curious because it’s so late.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was final Hawks tryout? Big turnout? Curious because it’s so late.

They got better- big additions at midfield

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was final Hawks tryout? Big turnout? Curious because it’s so late.

They got better- big additions at midfield

From where? How does that work? Like, commit to your old team and then reneg?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was final Hawks tryout? Big turnout? Curious because it’s so late.

They got better- big additions at midfield

I’d say they got better. Rumors of their demise are greatly exaggerated

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was final Hawks tryout? Big turnout? Curious because it’s so late.

They got better- big additions at midfield

From where? How does that work? Like, commit to your old team and then reneg?

That’s exactly how it works

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was final Hawks tryout? Big turnout? Curious because it’s so late.

They got better- big additions at midfield

I’d say they got better. Rumors of their demise are greatly exaggerated

Did goalie and forgo stay?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was final Hawks tryout? Big turnout? Curious because it’s so late.

They got better- big additions at midfield

I’d say they got better. Rumors of their demise are greatly exaggerated

Did goalie and forgo stay?

Yup

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was final Hawks tryout? Big turnout? Curious because it’s so late.

They got better- big additions at midfield

I’d say they got better. Rumors of their demise are greatly exaggerated

Did goalie and forgo stay?

Yup

Those would have been hard positions to fill, guess the rumors to NL weren’t true,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was final Hawks tryout? Big turnout? Curious because it’s so late.

They got better- big additions at midfield

I’d say they got better. Rumors of their demise are greatly exaggerated

Did goalie and forgo stay?

Yup

Those would have been hard positions to fill, guess the rumors to NL weren’t true,

Did any of the defense that tried out for true leave? How many Mesa kids did they pick up since Mesa closed doors .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was final Hawks tryout? Big turnout? Curious because it’s so late.

They got better- big additions at midfield

From where? How does that work? Like, commit to your old team and then reneg?

That’s exactly how it works

The trickle effect is always amusing.

Johnny was cut by team x. Jimmy from team y tried out for team x and makes team. Jimmy accepts because he’s given 24hrs to make decision. Jimmy still tries out for hawks and makes it.

Roster acrobatics commence.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was final Hawks tryout? Big turnout? Curious because it’s so late.

They got better- big additions at midfield

From where? How does that work? Like, commit to your old team and then reneg?

That’s exactly how it works

The trickle effect is always amusing.

Johnny was cut by team x. Jimmy from team y tried out for team x and makes team. Jimmy accepts because he’s given 24hrs to make decision. Jimmy still tries out for hawks and makes it.

Roster acrobatics commence.

Some of these Teams deserve it.
24 hours to make a decision?
But some teams wont tell you who the coaches are, when or where practices will be held, what tourrnaments they play in, etc.
"Hurry and make a decision with no informaiton!"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was final Hawks tryout? Big turnout? Curious because it’s so late.

They got better- big additions at midfield

I’d say they got better. Rumors of their demise are greatly exaggerated

Did goalie and forgo stay?

Yup

Those would have been hard positions to fill, guess the rumors to NL weren’t true,

They werent extended invites.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was final Hawks tryout? Big turnout? Curious because it’s so late.

They got better- big additions at midfield

From where? How does that work? Like, commit to your old team and then reneg?

That’s exactly how it works

The trickle effect is always amusing.

Johnny was cut by team x. Jimmy from team y tried out for team x and makes team. Jimmy accepts because he’s given 24hrs to make decision. Jimmy still tries out for hawks and makes it.

Roster acrobatics commence.

Some of these Teams deserve it.
24 hours to make a decision?
But some teams wont tell you who the coaches are, when or where practices will be held, what tourrnaments they play in, etc.
"Hurry and make a decision with no informaiton!"

Your right . They should of taken your son and family out to dinner with coaches so you get to know them. Told you exactly when and where practices are so they know it’s convenient for you. Also get your input on the best tournaments for the team since I’m sure you know more then any of those coaches. Just sign up for whatever team you want and move on with your life.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was final Hawks tryout? Big turnout? Curious because it’s so late.

They got better- big additions at midfield

I’d say they got better. Rumors of their demise are greatly exaggerated

Did goalie and forgo stay?

Yup

Those would have been hard positions to fill, guess the rumors to NL weren’t true,

Correction. They tried out and were offered but were told they wouldn't be starters. They declined.

Why would you sign up for a team if you didn’t know who the coach was?

Why would you sign up for a team of you didn’t know where they practice?

Why would you sign up for a team if you didn’t know what type of tournaments they will participate in?

“Just trust the club” Says people who are chasing a club name, not proper player development.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would you sign up for a team if you didn’t know who the coach was?

Why would you sign up for a team of you didn’t know where they practice?

Why would you sign up for a team if you didn’t know what type of tournaments they will participate in?

“Just trust the club” Says people who are chasing a club name, not proper player development.

Can anyone name one club team that gives you all this information at tryouts?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would you sign up for a team if you didn’t know who the coach was?

Why would you sign up for a team of you didn’t know where they practice?

Why would you sign up for a team if you didn’t know what type of tournaments they will participate in?

“Just trust the club” Says people who are chasing a club name, not proper player development.

Bigger question is why would tryout for a team when don’t know any of these answers. Also player development has nothing to do with parents knowing where practice is held and what tournaments play in. Your son isnt getting recruited in 7th grade get over it. You people have to find better things to complain about.

I don’t m ow of any club that has the full tournament schedule posted at tryouts. It’s sort of impossible as the tournaments aren’t even remotely set.

Unless you just want some club to lie to you?

what clubs don’t have coaches and practice locations? Is this a real issue??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don’t m ow of any club that has the full tournament schedule posted at tryouts. It’s sort of impossible as the tournaments aren’t even remotely set.

Unless you just want some club to lie to you?

what clubs don’t have coaches and practice locations? Is this a real issue??

Not the PP, but I doubt that details like tournaments and practice times are the real issue. The issue is that families want to know their options (other teams) before committing. Here's my advice. If your son is in the top 25-50% of the talent pool on a team that makes an offer, you can ignore the 24-48 hour request. No matter what they say, they will take him any time. But if he is on the bottom half of the roster and you generally like the team, you should go ahead and sign up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would you sign up for a team if you didn’t know who the coach was?

Why would you sign up for a team of you didn’t know where they practice?

Why would you sign up for a team if you didn’t know what type of tournaments they will participate in?

“Just trust the club” Says people who are chasing a club name, not proper player development.

Can anyone name one club team that gives you all this information at tryouts?[/quote]

Its not a brand new team? We've practiced same place at same time on same day for three years now, with same coaches and a quick google search and tell you which tournaments they are likely to play in.
I get the 24 hr commitment rule, they are competing with other clubs, you want to know who your roster is so you can extend plan B kids if you do not accept.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don’t m ow of any club that has the full tournament schedule posted at tryouts. It’s sort of impossible as the tournaments aren’t even remotely set.

Unless you just want some club to lie to you?

what clubs don’t have coaches and practice locations? Is this a real issue??

Not the PP, but I doubt that details like tournaments and practice times are the real issue. The issue is that families want to know their options (other teams) before committing. Here's my advice. If your son is in the top 25-50% of the talent pool on a team that makes an offer, you can ignore the 24-48 hour request. No matter what they say, they will take him any time. But if he is on the bottom half of the roster and you generally like the team, you should go ahead and sign up.

+1

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would you sign up for a team if you didn’t know who the coach was?

Why would you sign up for a team of you didn’t know where they practice?

Why would you sign up for a team if you didn’t know what type of tournaments they will participate in?

“Just trust the club” Says people who are chasing a club name, not proper player development.

Can anyone name one club team that gives you all this information at tryouts?[/quote]

Hawks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They got better- big additions at midfield

I’d say they got better. Rumors of their demise are greatly exaggerated

Did goalie and forgo stay?

Yup

Those would have been hard positions to fill, guess the rumors to NL weren’t true,

They werent extended invites.

Wow

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would you sign up for a team if you didn’t know who the coach was?

Why would you sign up for a team of you didn’t know where they practice?

Why would you sign up for a team if you didn’t know what type of tournaments they will participate in?

“Just trust the club” Says people who are chasing a club name, not proper player development.

Can anyone name one club team that gives you all this information at tryouts?

Hawks[/quote]

HoCo

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would you sign up for a team if you didn’t know who the coach was?

Why would you sign up for a team of you didn’t know where they practice?

Why would you sign up for a team if you didn’t know what type of tournaments they will participate in?

“Just trust the club” Says people who are chasing a club name, not proper player development.

Can anyone name one club team that gives you all this information at tryouts?

Hawks[/quote]

Yes, at all age levels.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would you sign up for a team if you didn’t know who the coach was?

Why would you sign up for a team of you didn’t know where they practice?

Why would you sign up for a team if you didn’t know what type of tournaments they will participate in?

“Just trust the club” Says people who are chasing a club name, not proper player development.

Can anyone name one club team that gives you all this information at tryouts?

Hawks

HoCo[/quote]

What tournaments are they doing?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would you sign up for a team if you didn’t know who the coach was?

Why would you sign up for a team of you didn’t know where they practice?

Why would you sign up for a team if you didn’t know what type of tournaments they will participate in?

“Just trust the club” Says people who are chasing a club name, not proper player development.

Can anyone name one club team that gives you all this information at tryouts?

Hawks

HoCo

What tournaments are they doing?

All local. One in the fall, three in the spring/summer. No travel beyond 3 hrs. Will be complete by end of June.

I’m not sure that’s answering the question of what tournaments. That’s answering how many - which is different.

Not that it matters

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would you sign up for a team if you didn’t know who the coach was?

Why would you sign up for a team of you didn’t know where they practice?

Why would you sign up for a team if you didn’t know what type of tournaments they will participate in?

“Just trust the club” Says people who are chasing a club name, not proper player development.

Can anyone name one club team that gives you all this information at tryouts?

Hawks

HoCo

What tournaments are they doing?

All local. One in the fall, three in the spring/summer. No travel beyond 3 hrs. Will be complete by end of June.

Naptowne, NLF, NAL, Summer Exposure

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would you sign up for a team if you didn’t know who the coach was?

Why would you sign up for a team of you didn’t know where they practice?

Why would you sign up for a team if you didn’t know what type of tournaments they will participate in?

“Just trust the club” Says people who are chasing a club name, not proper player development.

Can anyone name one club team that gives you all this information at tryouts?

Hawks[/quote]

Yes we know they are like robots. Nothing ever changes. They will practice 4-5 days a week play naptown-NAL and young guns( to make sure they crush some non talented teams). Question is will the parents allow the coach to do his job all year? They weren’t happy with him last year. Why do you think so many of the kids went to other tryouts. Only takes losing one or 2 games and there going right to hogan.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would you sign up for a team if you didn’t know who the coach was?

Why would you sign up for a team of you didn’t know where they practice?

Why would you sign up for a team if you didn’t know what type of tournaments they will participate in?

“Just trust the club” Says people who are chasing a club name, not proper player development.

Can anyone name one club team that gives you all this information at tryouts?

Hawks

Yes we know they are like robots. Nothing ever changes. They will practice 4-5 days a week play naptown-NAL and young guns( to make sure they crush some non talented teams). Question is will the parents allow the coach to do his job all year? They weren’t happy with him last year. Why do you think so many of the kids went to other tryouts. Only takes losing one or 2 games and there going right to hogan.[/quote]

Are there any other teams in this area? Enough with the Hawks obsession.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would you sign up for a team if you didn’t know who the coach was?

Why would you sign up for a team of you didn’t know where they practice?

Why would you sign up for a team if you didn’t know what type of tournaments they will participate in?

“Just trust the club” Says people who are chasing a club name, not proper player development.

Can anyone name one club team that gives you all this information at tryouts?

Hawks

Yes we know they are like robots. Nothing ever changes. They will practice 4-5 days a week play naptown-NAL and young guns( to make sure they crush some non talented teams). Question is will the parents allow the coach to do his job all year? They weren’t happy with him last year. Why do you think so many of the kids went to other tryouts. Only takes losing one or 2 games and there going right to hogan.[/quote]

Is this the coach himself talking? Or some neighboring team parent who thinks they are in the know. Identify yourself fraudster

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would you sign up for a team if you didn’t know who the coach was?

Why would you sign up for a team of you didn’t know where they practice?

Why would you sign up for a team if you didn’t know what type of tournaments they will participate in?

“Just trust the club” Says people who are chasing a club name, not proper player development.

Can anyone name one club team that gives you all this information at tryouts?

Hawks

Yes we know they are like robots. Nothing ever changes. They will practice 4-5 days a week play naptown-NAL and young guns( to make sure they crush some non talented teams). Question is will the parents allow the coach to do his job all year? They weren’t happy with him last year. Why do you think so many of the kids went to other tryouts. Only takes losing one or 2 games and there going right to hogan.

Are there any other teams in this area? Enough with the Hawks obsession.[/quote]

What tourneys would you like them to play in angry Hawks dad?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would you sign up for a team if you didn’t know who the coach was?

Why would you sign up for a team of you didn’t know where they practice?

Why would you sign up for a team if you didn’t know what type of tournaments they will participate in?

“Just trust the club” Says people who are chasing a club name, not proper player development.

Can anyone name one club team that gives you all this information at tryouts?

Hawks

Yes we know they are like robots. Nothing ever changes. They will practice 4-5 days a week play naptown-NAL and young guns( to make sure they crush some non talented teams). Question is will the parents allow the coach to do his job all year? They weren’t happy with him last year. Why do you think so many of the kids went to other tryouts. Only takes losing one or 2 games and there going right to hogan.

Are there any other teams in this area? Enough with the Hawks obsession.[/quote]

But they are fun to mess with. Nobody else takes it so serious

Does anybody know who's playing fall hoco.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would you sign up for a team if you didn’t know who the coach was?

Why would you sign up for a team of you didn’t know where they practice?

Why would you sign up for a team if you didn’t know what type of tournaments they will participate in?

“Just trust the club” Says people who are chasing a club name, not proper player development.

Can anyone name one club team that gives you all this information at tryouts?

Hawks

Yes we know they are like robots. Nothing ever changes. They will practice 4-5 days a week play naptown-NAL and young guns( to make sure they crush some non talented teams). Question is will the parents allow the coach to do his job all year? They weren’t happy with him last year. Why do you think so many of the kids went to other tryouts. Only takes losing one or 2 games and there going right to hogan.

My kid was on the team, I didn’t see much complaining about the coach on the sidelines but I’m also not looking for trouble.

Sure not everyone is going to be happy, but the results of robot lax as you call it, speak for themselves. My son loves R2D2!

So what are you talking about?

True Baltimore will be very strong next year. Picked up 3 kids from local recs who are gonna change the scene. Look out. Gonna shock the world

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True Baltimore will be very strong next year. Picked up 3 kids from local recs who are gonna change the scene. Look out. Gonna shock the world

So they'll lose to teams like Rockfish by less this year?

I heard that 7 fca players switched to crabs. True? If so, I hope they’re planning on attending BL and spending the extra $35k to reclass or they’re going to get dropped like the 18 players on 2025 that got cut this year. 2025 crabs currently only has 12 kids on the team.

Is it a requirement to be a complete JAGG Off to have a kid play for “True”? Or even better, are there coaches required to be a JO? I thought the Annapolis chapter grey haired samurai wannabe was the biggest Bag out there. That is until we saw the crew from True NJ and watched two of their dads get tossed from a game in the first half of an 8am start. I can only imagine the gems True will turn up now that they’ve entered the Philly market

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it a requirement to be a complete JAGG Off to have a kid play for “True”? Or even better, are there coaches required to be a JO? I thought the Annapolis chapter grey haired samurai wannabe was the biggest Bag out there. That is until we saw the crew from True NJ and watched two of their dads get tossed from a game in the first half of an 8am start. I can only imagine the gems True will turn up now that they’ve entered the Philly market

How many True clubs are there? Annapolis? Baltimore, Eastern Shore?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it a requirement to be a complete JAGG Off to have a kid play for “True”? Or even better, are there coaches required to be a JO? I thought the Annapolis chapter grey haired samurai wannabe was the biggest Bag out there. That is until we saw the crew from True NJ and watched two of their dads get tossed from a game in the first half of an 8am start. I can only imagine the gems True will turn up now that they’ve entered the Philly market

How many True clubs are there? Annapolis? Baltimore, Eastern Shore?

Also True Kelly Post and True DC (formerly Eastside)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard that 7 fca players switched to crabs. True? If so, I hope they’re planning on attending BL and spending the extra $35k to reclass or they’re going to get dropped like the 18 players on 2025 that got cut this year. 2025 crabs currently only has 12 kids on the team.

Hold M Back Mac is recruiting on social media hard to repair the 2025 team that he and last years coaching staff blew up. Many of that 18 left on their own free will to get away from the current Crabs mess and the mess to come with recruiting out of state for the boarding school(1st priority) going forward. No effort from Mac is what got him to this point... Will be interesting watching this bunch try to get it together with only a few years left at this point.

You guys come to these forums to [ChillLaxin] about Millon and McCleran and yet they are the only ones truly helping their kids in their programs. They helping their players get into the top academic schools for high school and college. Hawks kids are now migrating up to Gilman, McD and BL because they are better schools then what’s available in the Annapolis area.... Severn is decent but on the lower end of the best academic schools and Spaulding and St Mary’s don’t even make the list.
So what’s wrong with what they are doing? They don’t tell the kids to hold back it’s the schools that come to these teams practices to recruit who dictate the need to do so.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it a requirement to be a complete JAGG Off to have a kid play for “True”? Or even better, are there coaches required to be a JO? I thought the Annapolis chapter grey haired samurai wannabe was the biggest Bag out there. That is until we saw the crew from True NJ and watched two of their dads get tossed from a game in the first half of an 8am start. I can only imagine the gems True will turn up now that they’ve entered the Philly market

How many True clubs are there? Annapolis? Baltimore, Eastern Shore?

Also True Kelly Post and True DC (formerly Eastside)

True is a true national program, based in Illinois, with franchises all over the country. The guys at the top have good lacrosse resumes and are good businessmen, assuming that you define good business as raking in tons of money. They are like the McDonalds of lacrosse. According to their web page they have programs in 17 states, including unusual places like Idaho and Indiana. It is actually pretty cool that there is demand for lacrosse in all those places and that somebody has found a way to cash in. In lacrosse rich areas like Maryland and Virginia, True teams pop up everywhere, almost faster than you can keep track. The quality of these teams and the experience provided to the boys is extremely uneven. The Illinois teams are their flagship and in some age groups are very good. Some Annapolis teams are good too. But other teams are an embarrassment. I heard that one of the Virginia programs had literally SIX teams practicing at one on the same field at Marymount, so each of the six teams just ran line drills and star drills for an hour. They have A teams and B teams which they often combine for tournaments. And, some of the coaches on these zillions of teams are obviously unqualified. But as long as families continue to sign up, you will see more and more True teams everywhere.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard that 7 fca players switched to crabs. True? If so, I hope they’re planning on attending BL and spending the extra $35k to reclass or they’re going to get dropped like the 18 players on 2025 that got cut this year. 2025 crabs currently only has 12 kids on the team.

Hold M Back Mac is recruiting on social media hard to repair the 2025 team that he and last years coaching staff blew up. Many of that 18 left on their own free will to get away from the current Crabs mess and the mess to come with recruiting out of state for the boarding school(1st priority) going forward. No effort from Mac is what got him to this point... Will be interesting watching this bunch try to get it together with only a few years left at this point.

Ok you both can go back to 25 thread or complain more on crabs. Here at 27 we like to stick to trashing true and stirring up hawks parents. Almost forgot worrying about the biggest threat to all elite teams predators!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it a requirement to be a complete JAGG Off to have a kid play for “True”? Or even better, are there coaches required to be a JO? I thought the Annapolis chapter grey haired samurai wannabe was the biggest Bag out there. That is until we saw the crew from True NJ and watched two of their dads get tossed from a game in the first half of an 8am start. I can only imagine the gems True will turn up now that they’ve entered the Philly market

How many True clubs are there? Annapolis? Baltimore, Eastern Shore?

Also True Kelly Post and True DC (formerly Eastside)

Eastern shore didn’t happen. USS folded and then the kids play in Annapolis.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Severn is decent but on the lower end of the best academic schools and Spaulding and St Mary’s don’t even make the list. .

What list is this you refer to? I hear nothing other than Severn is one of the top academic schools in the state.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True Baltimore will be very strong next year. Picked up 3 kids from local recs who are gonna change the scene. Look out. Gonna shock the world

So they'll lose to teams like Rockfish by less this year?

New roster, new outlook. You'll see. Wait till the fall tourneys. We are gonna give any team that is tough enough to play us a run.
Doubt all you want. Just watch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard that 7 fca players switched to crabs. True? If so, I hope they’re planning on attending BL and spending the extra $35k to reclass or they’re going to get dropped like the 18 players on 2025 that got cut this year. 2025 crabs currently only has 12 kids on the team.

Hold M Back Mac is recruiting on social media hard to repair the 2025 team that he and last years coaching staff blew up. Many of that 18 left on their own free will to get away from the current Crabs mess and the mess to come with recruiting out of state for the boarding school(1st priority) going forward. No effort from Mac is what got him to this point... Will be interesting watching this bunch try to get it together with only a few years left at this point.

I think it's also a consolidation of the nationals players together to fca. Lots of holdbacks on that team!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Severn is decent but on the lower end of the best academic schools and Spaulding and St Mary’s don’t even make the list. .

What list is this you refer to? I hear nothing other than Severn is one of the top academic schools in the state.

Severn is definitely a top tier academic school in the state. But they have yet to compete athletically - specifically lacrosse - on a consistent basis. They have a good young team but let’s see if they can sustain before comparing them to Gilman or McD.

Severn is trying to be a top academic school that will hopefully separate them from the lower academic schools like St M and Spaulding. The list is on line. Gilman was #1 followed by Bryn Mar( one of Gilman sister schools) Hilton Arm ( a girls school in Bethesda then some other Montgomery county private schools I haven’t heard of the G’town prep and McD was close to them. BL was the next MIAA school somewhere further down on the list followed by St P then Loyola and way down CH. There are multiple list out there that rank by different criteria but the pecking order is basically the same.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Severn is trying to be a top academic school that will hopefully separate them from the lower academic schools like St M and Spaulding. The list is on line. Gilman was #1 followed by Bryn Mar( one of Gilman sister schools) Hilton Arm ( a girls school in Bethesda then some other Montgomery county private schools I haven’t heard of the G’town prep and McD was close to them. BL was the next MIAA school somewhere further down on the list followed by St P then Loyola and way down CH. There are multiple list out there that rank by different criteria but the pecking order is basically the same.

Any link you can provide would be helpful, I have a 2027 and we live in Annapolis so we are looking at all three of those options.

All three schools seem to have some appeal for a few reasons.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard that 7 fca players switched to crabs. True? If so, I hope they’re planning on attending BL and spending the extra $35k to reclass or they’re going to get dropped like the 18 players on 2025 that got cut this year. 2025 crabs currently only has 12 kids on the team.

Hold M Back Mac is recruiting on social media hard to repair the 2025 team that he and last years coaching staff blew up. Many of that 18 left on their own free will to get away from the current Crabs mess and the mess to come with recruiting out of state for the boarding school(1st priority) going forward. No effort from Mac is what got him to this point... Will be interesting watching this bunch try to get it together with only a few years left at this point.

I think it's also a consolidation of the nationals players together to fca. Lots of holdbacks on that team!

Lots of holdbacks on which team?

Come on no money involved and I’ d like know why you’re so bitter!!
I’m sure they left for multiple reasons….

1.) even though Crabs coaching is only average its still much better then FCA’s
2.) they dont want their kid to go to Calvert Hall… can you blame them?
3.) much more convenient practices than FCA and always at the same place
4.) and they dont buy into the fake FCA BS that the Kelly’s pretend to follow and preach. Its all a show!! Shocked the family hasnt been thrown in jail.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Come on no money involved and I’ d like know why you’re so bitter!!
I’m sure they left for multiple reasons….

1.) even though Crabs coaching is only average its still much better then FCA’s
2.) they dont want their kid to go to Calvert Hall… can you blame them?
3.) much more convenient practices than FCA and always at the same place
4.) and they dont buy into the fake FCA BS that the Kelly’s pretend to follow and preach. Its all a show!! Shocked the family hasnt been thrown in jail.

Jail??? Wow, ok. Please elaborate on that one?

It was all over the news the sweetheart contracts their company made with Md Med System and Univ where the old man sits on the boards. Some how others were let go of the board but not Senator Kelly who’s company was the only one that benefited from these deals.
I’m done with this notIntelligent forum !
Predators will rule!!

The '27 Crabs brought over an FCA dad as assistant and he brought a few kids with him.

You dodged a bullet if your kid didn't make, or you declined that team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It was all over the news the sweetheart contracts their company made with Md Med System and Univ where the old man sits on the boards. Some how others were let go of the board but not Senator Kelly who’s company was the only one that benefited from these deals.
I’m done with this notIntelligent forum !
Predators will rule!!

Go Predators !! Rule the Fields !!

And Yes, Kelly thing was a travesty of Justice, Once again proving justice is never blind like the propaganda machine tells us.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The '27 Crabs brought over an FCA dad as assistant and he brought a few kids with him.

You dodged a bullet if your kid didn't make, or you declined that team.

Ok with the rumors. You may want to get the facts straight so I will give them to you. There were a lot of things that went on with FCA team this year. HEAD coach was playing to parents that complained about there kids playing time instead of playing talent. This included some texting coaches during games. Some kids got short end of that deal and decided not to return to FCA. Head coach left in middle of last tournament the day before championship with no notice which worried some about his commitment to kids. New head coach wasn’t announced till after end of season and from I know was already assisting coaching another club level and high school team so some were concerned . Old head coach was to stay on which was another concern. There was no defensive coach named. All families made this decision on there own including us. It’s was more about playing with friends my son had. We loved the years played at FCA and the kids on team but writing was on the wall. I still wish them the best and especially the kids. Hope this clears everything up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The '27 Crabs brought over an FCA dad as assistant and he brought a few kids with him.

You dodged a bullet if your kid didn't make, or you declined that team.

You got that right!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The '27 Crabs brought over an FCA dad as assistant and he brought a few kids with him.

You dodged a bullet if your kid didn't make, or you declined that team.

Ok with the rumors. You may want to get the facts straight so I will give them to you. There were a lot of things that went on with FCA team this year. HEAD coach was playing to parents that complained about there kids playing time instead of playing talent. This included some texting coaches during games. Some kids got short end of that deal and decided not to return to FCA. Head coach left in middle of last tournament the day before championship with no notice which worried some about his commitment to kids. New head coach wasn’t announced till after end of season and from I know was already assisting coaching another club level and high school team so some were concerned . Old head coach was to stay on which was another concern. There was no defensive coach named. All families made this decision on there own including us. It’s was more about playing with friends my son had. We loved the years played at FCA and the kids on team but writing was on the wall. I still wish them the best and especially the kids. Hope this clears everything up.

You missed the part where the giant assistant blob didn’t tell anyone they were leaving and basically killed another team in his way out. Heard they did the same thing on their way out of kent island also. Seems to be a pattern. They bought their way into BL also and are paying for other BL tuitions for FCA kids also. He’s the next wanna be rich guy in the MIAA. Good luck to the FCA people that are left. And god help the Crabs people with there “new” additions

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The '27 Crabs brought over an FCA dad as assistant and he brought a few kids with him.

You dodged a bullet if your kid didn't make, or you declined that team.

Ok with the rumors. You may want to get the facts straight so I will give them to you. There were a lot of things that went on with FCA team this year. HEAD coach was playing to parents that complained about there kids playing time instead of playing talent. This included some texting coaches during games. Some kids got short end of that deal and decided not to return to FCA. Head coach left in middle of last tournament the day before championship with no notice which worried some about his commitment to kids. New head coach wasn’t announced till after end of season and from I know was already assisting coaching another club level and high school team so some were concerned . Old head coach was to stay on which was another concern. There was no defensive coach named. All families made this decision on there own including us. It’s was more about playing with friends my son had. We loved the years played at FCA and the kids on team but writing was on the wall. I still wish them the best and especially the kids. Hope this clears everything up.

You missed the part where the giant assistant blob didn’t tell anyone they were leaving and basically killed another team in his way out. Heard they did the same thing on their way out of kent island also. Seems to be a pattern. They bought their way into BL also and are paying for other BL tuitions for FCA kids also. He’s the next wanna be rich guy in the MIAA. Good luck to the FCA people that are left. And god help the Crabs people with there “new” additions

Popcorn is ready. Love some FCA v Crabs drama

Roid rage dad should take a break from his cycle and this thread.

No FCA kids at BL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The '27 Crabs brought over an FCA dad as assistant and he brought a few kids with him.

You dodged a bullet if your kid didn't make, or you declined that team.

Ok with the rumors. You may want to get the facts straight so I will give them to you. There were a lot of things that went on with FCA team this year. HEAD coach was playing to parents that complained about there kids playing time instead of playing talent. This included some texting coaches during games. Some kids got short end of that deal and decided not to return to FCA. Head coach left in middle of last tournament the day before championship with no notice which worried some about his commitment to kids. New head coach wasn’t announced till after end of season and from I know was already assisting coaching another club level and high school team so some were concerned . Old head coach was to stay on which was another concern. There was no defensive coach named. All families made this decision on there own including us. It’s was more about playing with friends my son had. We loved the years played at FCA and the kids on team but writing was on the wall. I still wish them the best and especially the kids. Hope this clears everything up.

You missed the part where the giant assistant blob didn’t tell anyone they were leaving and basically killed another team in his way out. Heard they did the same thing on their way out of kent island also. Seems to be a pattern. They bought their way into BL also and are paying for other BL tuitions for FCA kids also. He’s the next wanna be rich guy in the MIAA. Good luck to the FCA people that are left. And god help the Crabs people with there “new” additions

It was the exact same thing at USS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The '27 Crabs brought over an FCA dad as assistant and he brought a few kids with him.

You dodged a bullet if your kid didn't make, or you declined that team.

Ok with the rumors. You may want to get the facts straight so I will give them to you. There were a lot of things that went on with FCA team this year. HEAD coach was playing to parents that complained about there kids playing time instead of playing talent. This included some texting coaches during games. Some kids got short end of that deal and decided not to return to FCA. Head coach left in middle of last tournament the day before championship with no notice which worried some about his commitment to kids. New head coach wasn’t announced till after end of season and from I know was already assisting coaching another club level and high school team so some were concerned . Old head coach was to stay on which was another concern. There was no defensive coach named. All families made this decision on there own including us. It’s was more about playing with friends my son had. We loved the years played at FCA and the kids on team but writing was on the wall. I still wish them the best and especially the kids. Hope this clears everything up.

You missed the part where the giant assistant blob didn’t tell anyone they were leaving and basically killed another team in his way out. Heard they did the same thing on their way out of kent island also. Seems to be a pattern. They bought their way into BL also and are paying for other BL tuitions for FCA kids also. He’s the next wanna be rich guy in the MIAA. Good luck to the FCA people that are left. And god help the Crabs people with there “new” additions

It was the exact same thing at USS.

Yeah, have fun Crabs and BL. You guys all deserve each other

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The '27 Crabs brought over an FCA dad as assistant and he brought a few kids with him.

You dodged a bullet if your kid didn't make, or you declined that team.

Ok with the rumors. You may want to get the facts straight so I will give them to you. There were a lot of things that went on with FCA team this year. HEAD coach was playing to parents that complained about there kids playing time instead of playing talent. This included some texting coaches during games. Some kids got short end of that deal and decided not to return to FCA. Head coach left in middle of last tournament the day before championship with no notice which worried some about his commitment to kids. New head coach wasn’t announced till after end of season and from I know was already assisting coaching another club level and high school team so some were concerned . Old head coach was to stay on which was another concern. There was no defensive coach named. All families made this decision on there own including us. It’s was more about playing with friends my son had. We loved the years played at FCA and the kids on team but writing was on the wall. I still wish them the best and especially the kids. Hope this clears everything up.

You missed the part where the giant assistant blob didn’t tell anyone they were leaving and basically killed another team in his way out. Heard they did the same thing on their way out of kent island also. Seems to be a pattern. They bought their way into BL also and are paying for other BL tuitions for FCA kids also. He’s the next wanna be rich guy in the MIAA. Good luck to the FCA people that are left. And god help the Crabs people with there “new” additions

It was the exact same thing at USS.

Wrong again! You just can’t get anything right. That team fell apart because parents from island choose to go to hawks. Lucky for the hawks they did because honestly they make up most of talent on that team. If no island kids were on hawks they would be bottom of elite division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The '27 Crabs brought over an FCA dad as assistant and he brought a few kids with him.

You dodged a bullet if your kid didn't make, or you declined that team.

Ok with the rumors. You may want to get the facts straight so I will give them to you. There were a lot of things that went on with FCA team this year. HEAD coach was playing to parents that complained about there kids playing time instead of playing talent. This included some texting coaches during games. Some kids got short end of that deal and decided not to return to FCA. Head coach left in middle of last tournament the day before championship with no notice which worried some about his commitment to kids. New head coach wasn’t announced till after end of season and from I know was already assisting coaching another club level and high school team so some were concerned . Old head coach was to stay on which was another concern. There was no defensive coach named. All families made this decision on there own including us. It’s was more about playing with friends my son had. We loved the years played at FCA and the kids on team but writing was on the wall. I still wish them the best and especially the kids. Hope this clears everything up.

You missed the part where the giant assistant blob didn’t tell anyone they were leaving and basically killed another team in his way out. Heard they did the same thing on their way out of kent island also. Seems to be a pattern. They bought their way into BL also and are paying for other BL tuitions for FCA kids also. He’s the next wanna be rich guy in the MIAA. Good luck to the FCA people that are left. And god help the Crabs people with there “new” additions

It was the exact same thing at USS.

Yeah, have fun Crabs and BL. You guys all deserve each other

Better than playing for predators and going to st Paul

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The '27 Crabs brought over an FCA dad as assistant and he brought a few kids with him.

You dodged a bullet if your kid didn't make, or you declined that team.

Ok with the rumors. You may want to get the facts straight so I will give them to you. There were a lot of things that went on with FCA team this year. HEAD coach was playing to parents that complained about there kids playing time instead of playing talent. This included some texting coaches during games. Some kids got short end of that deal and decided not to return to FCA. Head coach left in middle of last tournament the day before championship with no notice which worried some about his commitment to kids. New head coach wasn’t announced till after end of season and from I know was already assisting coaching another club level and high school team so some were concerned . Old head coach was to stay on which was another concern. There was no defensive coach named. All families made this decision on there own including us. It’s was more about playing with friends my son had. We loved the years played at FCA and the kids on team but writing was on the wall. I still wish them the best and especially the kids. Hope this clears everything up.

You missed the part where the giant assistant blob didn’t tell anyone they were leaving and basically killed another team in his way out. Heard they did the same thing on their way out of kent island also. Seems to be a pattern. They bought their way into BL also and are paying for other BL tuitions for FCA kids also. He’s the next wanna be rich guy in the MIAA. Good luck to the FCA people that are left. And god help the Crabs people with there “new” additions

It’s actually comical how wrong you are about all of the above. Keep stirring that pot though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The '27 Crabs brought over an FCA dad as assistant and he brought a few kids with him.

You dodged a bullet if your kid didn't make, or you declined that team.

Ok with the rumors. You may want to get the facts straight so I will give them to you. There were a lot of things that went on with FCA team this year. HEAD coach was playing to parents that complained about there kids playing time instead of playing talent. This included some texting coaches during games. Some kids got short end of that deal and decided not to return to FCA. Head coach left in middle of last tournament the day before championship with no notice which worried some about his commitment to kids. New head coach wasn’t announced till after end of season and from I know was already assisting coaching another club level and high school team so some were concerned . Old head coach was to stay on which was another concern. There was no defensive coach named. All families made this decision on there own including us. It’s was more about playing with friends my son had. We loved the years played at FCA and the kids on team but writing was on the wall. I still wish them the best and especially the kids. Hope this clears everything up.

You missed the part where the giant assistant blob didn’t tell anyone they were leaving and basically killed another team in his way out. Heard they did the same thing on their way out of kent island also. Seems to be a pattern. They bought their way into BL also and are paying for other BL tuitions for FCA kids also. He’s the next wanna be rich guy in the MIAA. Good luck to the FCA people that are left. And god help the Crabs people with there “new” additions

It was the exact same thing at USS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The '27 Crabs brought over an FCA dad as assistant and he brought a few kids with him.

You dodged a bullet if your kid didn't make, or you declined that team.

Ok with the rumors. You may want to get the facts straight so I will give them to you. There were a lot of things that went on with FCA team this year. HEAD coach was playing to parents that complained about there kids playing time instead of playing talent. This included some texting coaches during games. Some kids got short end of that deal and decided not to return to FCA. Head coach left in middle of last tournament the day before championship with no notice which worried some about his commitment to kids. New head coach wasn’t announced till after end of season and from I know was already assisting coaching another club level and high school team so some were concerned . Old head coach was to stay on which was another concern. There was no defensive coach named. All families made this decision on there own including us. It’s was more about playing with friends my son had. We loved the years played at FCA and the kids on team but writing was on the wall. I still wish them the best and especially the kids. Hope this clears everything up.

You missed the part where the giant assistant blob didn’t tell anyone they were leaving and basically killed another team in his way out. Heard they did the same thing on their way out of kent island also. Seems to be a pattern. They bought their way into BL also and are paying for other BL tuitions for FCA kids also. He’s the next wanna be rich guy in the MIAA. Good luck to the FCA people that are left. And god help the Crabs people with there “new” additions

It was the exact same thing at USS.

Weird because we were a part of that USS team and he was the one who was actually blindsided there. We have all remained friends, although our boys don’t play together anymore.

There is absolutely no truth in any of what has been said above. He’s a great dude who I have a lot of respect for. Gotta love the anonymity of this board.

Why does the coach need to tell anyone he is leaving?? If he didn’t tell the club owners I wonder why?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It was all over the news the sweetheart contracts their company made with Md Med System and Univ where the old man sits on the boards. Some how others were let go of the board but not Senator Kelly who’s company was the only one that benefited from these deals.
I’m done with this notIntelligent forum !
Predators will rule!!

You had me until #predators. lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The '27 Crabs brought over an FCA dad as assistant and he brought a few kids with him.

You dodged a bullet if your kid didn't make, or you declined that team.

Ok with the rumors. You may want to get the facts straight so I will give them to you. There were a lot of things that went on with FCA team this year. HEAD coach was playing to parents that complained about there kids playing time instead of playing talent. This included some texting coaches during games. Some kids got short end of that deal and decided not to return to FCA. Head coach left in middle of last tournament the day before championship with no notice which worried some about his commitment to kids. New head coach wasn’t announced till after end of season and from I know was already assisting coaching another club level and high school team so some were concerned . Old head coach was to stay on which was another concern. There was no defensive coach named. All families made this decision on there own including us. It’s was more about playing with friends my son had. We loved the years played at FCA and the kids on team but writing was on the wall. I still wish them the best and especially the kids. Hope this clears everything up.

You missed the part where the giant assistant blob didn’t tell anyone they were leaving and basically killed another team in his way out. Heard they did the same thing on their way out of kent island also. Seems to be a pattern. They bought their way into BL also and are paying for other BL tuitions for FCA kids also. He’s the next wanna be rich guy in the MIAA. Good luck to the FCA people that are left. And god help the Crabs people with there “new” additions

It’s actually comical how wrong you are about all of the above. Keep stirring that pot though.

So let me make sure I understand... this coach who is apparently so awful leaves not 1 but 2 teams without telling anyone they were leaving. This lead to both teams to blowing up. Seems to me that if he were so terrible the teams would have rejoiced that he was gone and stayed where they were and NOT gone elsewhere?!

I don't have a horse in this race, just trying to find the correlation. Also, don't kid yourself. If you have a kid in any private school, you bought your way in. Your argument is invalid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The '27 Crabs brought over an FCA dad as assistant and he brought a few kids with him.

You dodged a bullet if your kid didn't make, or you declined that team.

Ok with the rumors. You may want to get the facts straight so I will give them to you. There were a lot of things that went on with FCA team this year. HEAD coach was playing to parents that complained about there kids playing time instead of playing talent. This included some texting coaches during games. Some kids got short end of that deal and decided not to return to FCA. Head coach left in middle of last tournament the day before championship with no notice which worried some about his commitment to kids. New head coach wasn’t announced till after end of season and from I know was already assisting coaching another club level and high school team so some were concerned . Old head coach was to stay on which was another concern. There was no defensive coach named. All families made this decision on there own including us. It’s was more about playing with friends my son had. We loved the years played at FCA and the kids on team but writing was on the wall. I still wish them the best and especially the kids. Hope this clears everything up.

You missed the part where the giant assistant blob didn’t tell anyone they were leaving and basically killed another team in his way out. Heard they did the same thing on their way out of kent island also. Seems to be a pattern. They bought their way into BL also and are paying for other BL tuitions for FCA kids also. He’s the next wanna be rich guy in the MIAA. Good luck to the FCA people that are left. And god help the Crabs people with there “new” additions

It was the exact same thing at USS.

Yeah, have fun Crabs and BL. You guys all deserve each other

Better than playing for predators and going to st Paul

Come on now! NOTHING can be better than playing for the Predators... have you learned anything from this board?

Wrong again! You just can’t get anything right. That team fell apart because parents from island choose to go to hawks. Lucky for the hawks they did because honestly they make up most of talent on that team. If no island kids were on hawks they would be bottom of elite division.[/quote]

Fake news. The keeper is the only impact player from the eastern shore. All others went to 28. Hawks are and have always been an Annapolis - Severna Park area team. St. Mary’s bound.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wrong again! You just can’t get anything right. That team fell apart because parents from island choose to go to hawks. Lucky for the hawks they did because honestly they make up most of talent on that team. If no island kids were on hawks they would be bottom of elite division.

Fake news. The keeper is the only impact player from the eastern shore. All others went to 28. Hawks are and have always been an Annapolis - Severna Park area team. St. Mary’s bound.[/quote]

You obviously have no clue about that team. Fact is Best kid on that team from shore and probably best in 27 period! And no my son doesn’t play for hawks. Also have 2 starting defenders- 3 mid/ face off kids - LSM-

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The '27 Crabs brought over an FCA dad as assistant and he brought a few kids with him.

You dodged a bullet if your kid didn't make, or you declined that team.

Ok with the rumors. You may want to get the facts straight so I will give them to you. There were a lot of things that went on with FCA team this year. HEAD coach was playing to parents that complained about there kids playing time instead of playing talent. This included some texting coaches during games. Some kids got short end of that deal and decided not to return to FCA. Head coach left in middle of last tournament the day before championship with no notice which worried some about his commitment to kids. New head coach wasn’t announced till after end of season and from I know was already assisting coaching another club level and high school team so some were concerned . Old head coach was to stay on which was another concern. There was no defensive coach named. All families made this decision on there own including us. It’s was more about playing with friends my son had. We loved the years played at FCA and the kids on team but writing was on the wall. I still wish them the best and especially the kids. Hope this clears everything up.

You missed the part where the giant assistant blob didn’t tell anyone they were leaving and basically killed another team in his way out. Heard they did the same thing on their way out of kent island also. Seems to be a pattern. They bought their way into BL also and are paying for other BL tuitions for FCA kids also. He’s the next wanna be rich guy in the MIAA. Good luck to the FCA people that are left. And god help the Crabs people with there “new” additions

It’s actually comical how wrong you are about all of the above. Keep stirring that pot though.

So let me make sure I understand... this coach who is apparently so awful leaves not 1 but 2 teams without telling anyone they were leaving. This lead to both teams to blowing up. Seems to me that if he were so terrible the teams would have rejoiced that he was gone and stayed where they were and NOT gone elsewhere?!

I don't have a horse in this race, just trying to find the correlation. Also, don't kid yourself. If you have a kid in any private school, you bought your way in. Your argument is invalid.

This guy is the king of buying his way in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The '27 Crabs brought over an FCA dad as assistant and he brought a few kids with him.

You dodged a bullet if your kid didn't make, or you declined that team.

Ok with the rumors. You may want to get the facts straight so I will give them to you. There were a lot of things that went on with FCA team this year. HEAD coach was playing to parents that complained about there kids playing time instead of playing talent. This included some texting coaches during games. Some kids got short end of that deal and decided not to return to FCA. Head coach left in middle of last tournament the day before championship with no notice which worried some about his commitment to kids. New head coach wasn’t announced till after end of season and from I know was already assisting coaching another club level and high school team so some were concerned . Old head coach was to stay on which was another concern. There was no defensive coach named. All families made this decision on there own including us. It’s was more about playing with friends my son had. We loved the years played at FCA and the kids on team but writing was on the wall. I still wish them the best and especially the kids. Hope this clears everything up.

You missed the part where the giant assistant blob didn’t tell anyone they were leaving and basically killed another team in his way out. Heard they did the same thing on their way out of kent island also. Seems to be a pattern. They bought their way into BL also and are paying for other BL tuitions for FCA kids also. He’s the next wanna be rich guy in the MIAA. Good luck to the FCA people that are left. And god help the Crabs people with there “new” additions

It’s actually comical how wrong you are about all of the above. Keep stirring that pot though.

So let me make sure I understand... this coach who is apparently so awful leaves not 1 but 2 teams without telling anyone they were leaving. This lead to both teams to blowing up. Seems to me that if he were so terrible the teams would have rejoiced that he was gone and stayed where they were and NOT gone elsewhere?!

I don't have a horse in this race, just trying to find the correlation. Also, don't kid yourself. If you have a kid in any private school, you bought your way in. Your argument is invalid.

This guy is the king of buying his way in.

People shouldn’t run their mouth when they don’t know the truth. Only make you look like a fool. We know you clowns on here only post to stir stuff up. Really should find a better hobby.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wrong again! You just can’t get anything right. That team fell apart because parents from island choose to go to hawks. Lucky for the hawks they did because honestly they make up most of talent on that team. If no island kids were on hawks they would be bottom of elite division.

Fake news. The keeper is the only impact player from the eastern shore. All others went to 28. Hawks are and have always been an Annapolis - Severna Park area team. St. Mary’s bound.

You obviously have no clue about that team. Fact is Best kid on that team from shore and probably best in 27 period! And no my son doesn’t play for hawks. Also have 2 starting defenders- 3 mid/ face off kids - LSM-[/quote]

Thanks Shore daddy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wrong again! You just can’t get anything right. That team fell apart because parents from island choose to go to hawks. Lucky for the hawks they did because honestly they make up most of talent on that team. If no island kids were on hawks they would be bottom of elite division.

Fake news. The keeper is the only impact player from the eastern shore. All others went to 28. Hawks are and have always been an Annapolis - Severna Park area team. St. Mary’s bound.

You obviously have no clue about that team. Fact is Best kid on that team from shore and probably best in 27 period! And no my son doesn’t play for hawks. Also have 2 starting defenders- 3 mid/ face off kids - LSM-

Thanks Shore daddy.[/quote]

Is it that lefty attack? He’s a monster. I’m pretty sure he’s from the shore.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wrong again! You just can’t get anything right. That team fell apart because parents from island choose to go to hawks. Lucky for the hawks they did because honestly they make up most of talent on that team. If no island kids were on hawks they would be bottom of elite division.

Fake news. The keeper is the only impact player from the eastern shore. All others went to 28. Hawks are and have always been an Annapolis - Severna Park area team. St. Mary’s bound.

You obviously have no clue about that team. Fact is Best kid on that team from shore and probably best in 27 period! And no my son doesn’t play for hawks. Also have 2 starting defenders- 3 mid/ face off kids - LSM-

Thanks Shore daddy.

Is it that lefty attack? He’s a monster. I’m pretty sure he’s from the shore.[/quote]
Him and his older brother

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wrong again! You just can’t get anything right. That team fell apart because parents from island choose to go to hawks. Lucky for the hawks they did because honestly they make up most of talent on that team. If no island kids were on hawks they would be bottom of elite division.

Fake news. The keeper is the only impact player from the eastern shore. All others went to 28. Hawks are and have always been an Annapolis - Severna Park area team. St. Mary’s bound.

You obviously have no clue about that team. Fact is Best kid on that team from shore and probably best in 27 period! And no my son doesn’t play for hawks. Also have 2 starting defenders- 3 mid/ face off kids - LSM-

Thanks Shore daddy.

Is it that lefty attack? He’s a monster. I’m pretty sure he’s from the shore.

Him and his older brother[/quote]
Good player. Brother headed to Monmouth I believe. They are St. Mary’s and from Annapolis though. Not the shore… not that it matters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wrong again! You just can’t get anything right. That team fell apart because parents from island choose to go to hawks. Lucky for the hawks they did because honestly they make up most of talent on that team. If no island kids were on hawks they would be bottom of elite division.

Fake news. The keeper is the only impact player from the eastern shore. All others went to 28. Hawks are and have always been an Annapolis - Severna Park area team. St. Mary’s bound.

You obviously have no clue about that team. Fact is Best kid on that team from shore and probably best in 27 period! And no my son doesn’t play for hawks. Also have 2 starting defenders- 3 mid/ face off kids - LSM-

Thanks Shore daddy.

Is it that lefty attack? He’s a monster. I’m pretty sure he’s from the shore.

Him and his older brother[/quote]

There are 2 big lefty attackers, one from the Shore one not. The one from the shore and the goalie are the only impact players. One starting defender from the shore, solid player. Used to be more impact players from the shore, as they can’t keep up they are starting to hold back.

I have watched the 27 Hawks for 3-4 years. There is so much talent on that squad. I am not sure I understand what you mean by "impact player". All the great players on that team are impact players and there are easily 5-6 of them (multiple mids, multiple attack, poles, and goalie). 2 impact players on a squad would better describe Next Level, Madlax, or the old Crabs. I don't know where anybody lives but I assume they don't all hail from one village on the E. Shore.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have watched the 27 Hawks for 3-4 years. There is so much talent on that squad. I am not sure I understand what you mean by "impact player". All the great players on that team are impact players and there are easily 5-6 of them (multiple mids, multiple attack, poles, and goalie). 2 impact players on a squad would better describe Next Level, Madlax, or the old Crabs. I don't know where anybody lives but I assume they don't all hail from one village on the E. Shore.

That was the whole point. The team is loaded with talent that is primarily from Annapolis and Severna Park like most Hawks teams. Most will end up at STM or Spalding in a couple of years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have watched the 27 Hawks for 3-4 years. There is so much talent on that squad. I am not sure I understand what you mean by "impact player". All the great players on that team are impact players and there are easily 5-6 of them (multiple mids, multiple attack, poles, and goalie). 2 impact players on a squad would better describe Next Level, Madlax, or the old Crabs. I don't know where anybody lives but I assume they don't all hail from one village on the E. Shore.

Agreed.There’s no way that team could have that level of success with only 2 impact players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have watched the 27 Hawks for 3-4 years. There is so much talent on that squad. I am not sure I understand what you mean by "impact player". All the great players on that team are impact players and there are easily 5-6 of them (multiple mids, multiple attack, poles, and goalie). 2 impact players on a squad would better describe Next Level, Madlax, or the old Crabs. I don't know where anybody lives but I assume they don't all hail from one village on the E. Shore.

Agreed.There’s no way that team could have that level of success with only 2 impact players.

Never said that team only had two impact players. I said they only had two impact players from the eastern shore after one poster wrote that they were made up primarily of kids from across the bridge. Pay attention people.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wrong again! You just can’t get anything right. That team fell apart because parents from island choose to go to hawks. Lucky for the hawks they did because honestly they make up most of talent on that team. If no island kids were on hawks they would be bottom of elite division.

Fake news. The keeper is the only impact player from the eastern shore. All others went to 28. Hawks are and have always been an Annapolis - Severna Park area team. St. Mary’s bound.

You obviously have no clue about that team. Fact is Best kid on that team from shore and probably best in 27 period! And no my son doesn’t play for hawks. Also have 2 starting defenders- 3 mid/ face off kids - LSM-

Thanks Shore daddy.

Is it that lefty attack? He’s a monster. I’m pretty sure he’s from the shore.

Him and his older brother[/quote]

Thanks Dad. The only lefty monster on Hawks is the middie and the whole team revolved around running a picket fence repeatedly. The lefty attack is a one trick pony and was shut down repeatedly this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No FCA kids at BL

Wrong

Enough of the monster lefty and cat fight between Dads... Lets get back to the talk of the town,, Predators ! and how Predators will change lacrosse in Baltimore as we know it.

Sidewinders got a few nice new pieces. A couple kids form another Elite local program moved over. Hint, hint. Expect SWLX to be improved in 2022.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Enough of the monster lefty and cat fight between Dads... Lets get back to the talk of the town,, Predators ! and how Predators will change lacrosse in Baltimore as we know it.

Let’s not

What happened to the Fall HOCO? I heard it was cancelled.

True all the FCA kids are in the group that moved to Crabs this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Enough of the monster lefty and cat fight between Dads... Lets get back to the talk of the town,, Predators ! and how Predators will change lacrosse in Baltimore as we know it.

If somebody has been trying to sabotage Predators with embarrassing posts that will make players avoid the program like the plague, they are doing a nice job.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sidewinders got a few nice new pieces. A couple kids form another Elite local program moved over. Hint, hint. Expect SWLX to be improved in 2022.

it would be hard to be worse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sidewinders got a few nice new pieces. A couple kids form another Elite local program moved over. Hint, hint. Expect SWLX to be improved in 2022.

it would be hard to be worse.

Yes, would be hard to be much worse

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Enough of the monster lefty and cat fight between Dads... Lets get back to the talk of the town,, Predators ! and how Predators will change lacrosse in Baltimore as we know it.

If somebody has been trying to sabotage Predators with embarrassing posts that will make players avoid the program like the plague, they are doing a nice job.

Predators are gonna get stomped. Can’t wait to see it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sidewinders got a few nice new pieces. A couple kids form another Elite local program moved over. Hint, hint. Expect SWLX to be improved in 2022.

it would be hard to be worse.

Yes, would be hard to be much worse

When a coaches two sons are still considering leaving through tryouts that's a pretty garbage team. And when that coach adds zero to the team other than making sure his sons play, super garbage.

A dad coach making sure his sons play the majority of the game is sadly become the norm.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A dad coach making sure his sons play the majority of the game is sadly become the norm.

Yes indeed. We have such a coach on my son’s team and as a result are losing players. The son is a bad player but struts around like he is hot stuff. Yuck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sidewinders got a few nice new pieces. A couple kids form another Elite local program moved over. Hint, hint. Expect SWLX to be improved in 2022.

it would be hard to be worse.

Yes, would be hard to be much worse

Don't sleep on Next Level. They got better too. This is a team that legit has a chance to be on top at the end of next season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sidewinders got a few nice new pieces. A couple kids form another Elite local program moved over. Hint, hint. Expect SWLX to be improved in 2022.

it would be hard to be worse.

Yes, would be hard to be much worse

Don't sleep on Next Level. They got better too. This is a team that legit has a chance to be on top at the end of next season.

I don’t think anyone would argue that NL is a solid team.

Hawks= All hat, No cattle.
Lots of bluster on these boards but they are a system program. It's why their kids disappear come high school.

Predators are gonna get stomped. Can’t wait to see it.[/quote]

[ChillLaxin] about the parents and coaches like the rest of us.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A dad coach making sure his sons play the majority of the game is sadly become the norm.

Yes indeed. We have such a coach on my son’s team and as a result are losing players. The son is a bad player but struts around like he is hot stuff. Yuck.

Which team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Enough of the monster lefty and cat fight between Dads... Lets get back to the talk of the town,, Predators ! and how Predators will change lacrosse in Baltimore as we know it.

If somebody has been trying to sabotage Predators with embarrassing posts that will make players avoid the program like the plague, they are doing a nice job.

Yep, You are a True Blue Baltimorion, Absolutely no sense of humor and talk out both sides of mouth. Predators got your Club down,

Predators stink. I don’t know who they have or who their coaches are, but they won’t be good.
Bank on it.

There seems to be a lot of censorship happening on this forum

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A dad coach making sure his sons play the majority of the game is sadly become the norm.

Yes indeed. We have such a coach on my son’s team and as a result are losing players. The son is a bad player but struts around like he is hot stuff. Yuck.

Which team?

that was sidewinders 27.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Predators stink. I don’t know who they have or who their coaches are, but they won’t be good.
Bank on it.

Sorry your son cant make Predator team, I guess he stick skills stink. Please have him Hit The Wall ,

Just found this forum.
How is everyone’s club looking this year? My son plays for Koopers. We had a good year, won Lake Placid this summer. Poised for a good fall and spring. Who else will give us a game and compete well this year in the 27 age group?
Thanks!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A dad coach making sure his sons play the majority of the game is sadly become the norm.

Yes indeed. We have such a coach on my son’s team and as a result are losing players. The son is a bad player but struts around like he is hot stuff. Yuck.

Which team?

that was sidewinders 27.

Their coach is a clown

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just found this forum.
How is everyone’s club looking this year? My son plays for Koopers. We had a good year, won Lake Placid this summer. Poised for a good fall and spring. Who else will give us a game and compete well this year in the 27 age group?
Thanks!

Man…. I hope this is a joke.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks= All hat, No cattle.
Lots of bluster on these boards but they are a system program. It's why their kids disappear come high school.

LOL, you are clearly a member of the flat earth society: the MIAA and State MVP is a Hawk. Different Hawk players won the NHSLS and UA Highlight MVP awards. Their 2022 team has been the best team nationally over the past 3 years. They have several other excellent age groups and are now the best club program in MD. Please get your wooden stick re-strung.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just found this forum.
How is everyone’s club looking this year? My son plays for Koopers. We had a good year, won Lake Placid this summer. Poised for a good fall and spring. Who else will give us a game and compete well this year in the 27 age group?
Thanks!

Jump on board the Predators. Most Koopers already have.

Koopers won the B division in Lake Placid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers won the B division in Lake Placid.

Must you rain on their parade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers won the B division in Lake Placid.

Must you rain on their parade.

No rain. The boys played hard in the division they were entered. That’s all you can ask. Still proud of their play and hustle. Added a few new faces this summer. What will the rest of the AAA division look like next year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers won the B division in Lake Placid.

Must you rain on their parade.

Do any of the koopers teams matter? 2k for rec teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The '27 Crabs brought over an FCA dad as assistant and he brought a few kids with him.

You dodged a bullet if your kid didn't make, or you declined that team.

Ok with the rumors. You may want to get the facts straight so I will give them to you. There were a lot of things that went on with FCA team this year. HEAD coach was playing to parents that complained about there kids playing time instead of playing talent. This included some texting coaches during games. Some kids got short end of that deal and decided not to return to FCA. Head coach left in middle of last tournament the day before championship with no notice which worried some about his commitment to kids. New head coach wasn’t announced till after end of season and from I know was already assisting coaching another club level and high school team so some were concerned . Old head coach was to stay on which was another concern. There was no defensive coach named. All families made this decision on there own including us. It’s was more about playing with friends my son had. We loved the years played at FCA and the kids on team but writing was on the wall. I still wish them the best and especially the kids. Hope this clears everything up.

You missed the part where the giant assistant blob didn’t tell anyone they were leaving and basically killed another team in his way out. Heard they did the same thing on their way out of kent island also. Seems to be a pattern. They bought their way into BL also and are paying for other BL tuitions for FCA kids also. He’s the next wanna be rich guy in the MIAA. Good luck to the FCA people that are left. And god help the Crabs people with there “new” additions

It was the exact same thing at USS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The '27 Crabs brought over an FCA dad as assistant and he brought a few kids with him.

You dodged a bullet if your kid didn't make, or you declined that team.

Ok with the rumors. You may want to get the facts straight so I will give them to you. There were a lot of things that went on with FCA team this year. HEAD coach was playing to parents that complained about there kids playing time instead of playing talent. This included some texting coaches during games. Some kids got short end of that deal and decided not to return to FCA. Head coach left in middle of last tournament the day before championship with no notice which worried some about his commitment to kids. New head coach wasn’t announced till after end of season and from I know was already assisting coaching another club level and high school team so some were concerned . Old head coach was to stay on which was another concern. There was no defensive coach named. All families made this decision on there own including us. It’s was more about playing with friends my son had. We loved the years played at FCA and the kids on team but writing was on the wall. I still wish them the best and especially the kids. Hope this clears everything up.

You missed the part where the giant assistant blob didn’t tell anyone they were leaving and basically killed another team in his way out. Heard they did the same thing on their way out of kent island also. Seems to be a pattern. They bought their way into BL also and are paying for other BL tuitions for FCA kids also. He’s the next wanna be rich guy in the MIAA. Good luck to the FCA people that are left. And god help the Crabs people with there “new” additions

It was the exact same thing at USS.

Weird because we were a part of that USS team and he was the one who was actually blindsided there. We have all remained friends, although our boys don’t play together anymore.

There is absolutely no truth in any of what has been said above. He’s a great dude who I have a lot of respect for. Gotta love the anonymity of this board.

Funny how the FCA parents that left love him now but forget how he played favorites and his son never came out of the game. Enjoy the honeymoon. You will definitely have buyer’s’ remorse. When your kid reaches 8th or 9th grade you better be ready to holdback and pay for an Extra year of BL (a garbage school) or they’re going to be on the outs. Don’t kid yourself it happens every year. Why do you think crabs stinks at the younger ages but suddenly gets better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You guys come to these forums to [ChillLaxin] about Millon and McCleran and yet they are the only ones truly helping their kids in their programs. They helping their players get into the top academic schools for high school and college. Hawks kids are now migrating up to Gilman, McD and BL because they are better schools then what’s available in the Annapolis area.... Severn is decent but on the lower end of the best academic schools and Spaulding and St Mary’s don’t even make the list.
So what’s wrong with what they are doing? They don’t tell the kids to hold back it’s the schools that come to these teams practices to recruit who dictate the need to do so.

One of my older sons was asked by his crabs coach to switch from public to private and hold back so we did. And I know for a fact he wasn’t the only one. Not saying it’s wrong or right, it’s just the truth.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers won the B division in Lake Placid.

Must you rain on their parade.

Do any of the koopers teams matter? 2k for rec teams.

Koopers offered 25 and ‘27 teams last year and both were in AAA.

Those are good rec teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers won the B division in Lake Placid.

Must you rain on their parade.

Do any of the koopers teams matter? 2k for rec teams.

Koopers offered 25 and ‘27 teams last year and both were in AAA.

Those are good rec teams.

AAA is equivalent to rec? Yeah, okay. Would love to see a local rec team play a AAA club team. Nah, I wouldn't.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers won the B division in Lake Placid.

Must you rain on their parade.

Do any of the koopers teams matter? 2k for rec teams.

Koopers offered 25 and ‘27 teams last year and both were in AAA.

Those are good rec teams.

AAA is equivalent to rec? Yeah, okay. Would love to see a local rec team play a AAA club team. Nah, I wouldn't.

Several do ?? Just Saying

Is MD going to have any WSYL teams or is 91 LI just going to cruise to the cup?

Just more hogwash from posters here who like to trash everyone outside of a few clubs. Don't listen to the negative noise. There are a lot of good lacrosse teams and clubs out there. But the coaches/parents of a few teams like to say if you don't play for their 3 "Elite" clubs, the rest are garbage. AAA, AA and A stinks!

Simply not true. There are good teams/players everywhere.

There's lots of insecure parents on these boards. And a lot of program directors who MAKE A LIVING off of scaring parents into believing BS.

The reality is, early recruiting is gone. Club lax is much less relevant today. Sure it's good for kids to play competitive ball and stay sharp in the summer. But program directors want you to think it still REALLY matters. They have to. Doing so, pays their bills.

It's just a game for kids. The good ones will be found in hs-wherever they go. Public or private. There are a TON of college lax programs if your kid wants to play. And D1 is not always the best. There are a lot of lousy, unsupported, D1 programs. And D3 has some really great programs.

Now that we've cleared that up, please carry on your usual circular conversations.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just more hogwash from posters here who like to trash everyone outside of a few clubs. Don't listen to the negative noise. There are a lot of good lacrosse teams and clubs out there. But the coaches/parents of a few teams like to say if you don't play for their 3 "Elite" clubs, the rest are garbage. AAA, AA and A stinks!

Simply not true. There are good teams/players everywhere.

There's lots of insecure parents on these boards. And a lot of program directors who MAKE A LIVING off of scaring parents into believing BS.

The reality is, early recruiting is gone. Club lax is much less relevant today. Sure it's good for kids to play competitive ball and stay sharp in the summer. But program directors want you to think it still REALLY matters. They have to. Doing so, pays their bills.

It's just a game for kids. The good ones will be found in hs-wherever they go. Public or private. There are a TON of college lax programs if your kid wants to play. And D1 is not always the best. There are a lot of lousy, unsupported, D1 programs. And D3 has some really great programs.

Now that we've cleared that up, please carry on your usual circular conversations.

Holy smokes… this is the first logical thing I’ve ever read on this board.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just more hogwash from posters here who like to trash everyone outside of a few clubs. Don't listen to the negative noise. There are a lot of good lacrosse teams and clubs out there. But the coaches/parents of a few teams like to say if you don't play for their 3 "Elite" clubs, the rest are garbage. AAA, AA and A stinks!

Simply not true. There are good teams/players everywhere.

There's lots of insecure parents on these boards. And a lot of program directors who MAKE A LIVING off of scaring parents into believing BS.

The reality is, early recruiting is gone. Club lax is much less relevant today. Sure it's good for kids to play competitive ball and stay sharp in the summer. But program directors want you to think it still REALLY matters. They have to. Doing so, pays their bills.

It's just a game for kids. The good ones will be found in hs-wherever they go. Public or private. There are a TON of college lax programs if your kid wants to play. And D1 is not always the best. There are a lot of lousy, unsupported, D1 programs. And D3 has some really great programs.

Now that we've cleared that up, please carry on your usual circular conversations.

Holy smokes… this is the first logical thing I’ve ever read on this board.

Not me. I prefer the delusional posts stating a AAA club team is the same as a rec team. I like my posts of the crazy nature.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just more hogwash from posters here who like to trash everyone outside of a few clubs. Don't listen to the negative noise. There are a lot of good lacrosse teams and clubs out there. But the coaches/parents of a few teams like to say if you don't play for their 3 "Elite" clubs, the rest are garbage. AAA, AA and A stinks!

Simply not true. There are good teams/players everywhere.

There's lots of insecure parents on these boards. And a lot of program directors who MAKE A LIVING off of scaring parents into believing BS.

The reality is, early recruiting is gone. Club lax is much less relevant today. Sure it's good for kids to play competitive ball and stay sharp in the summer. But program directors want you to think it still REALLY matters. They have to. Doing so, pays their bills.

It's just a game for kids. The good ones will be found in hs-wherever they go. Public or private. There are a TON of college lax programs if your kid wants to play. And D1 is not always the best. There are a lot of lousy, unsupported, D1 programs. And D3 has some really great programs.

Now that we've cleared that up, please carry on your usual circular conversations.

Seriously ?? Speak for yourself. It is D1 or bust for us parents of elite players. Top Elite Club only, MIAA . Sorry you are not able to reach those .

Say it louder for the crazies in the back!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The '27 Crabs brought over an FCA dad as assistant and he brought a few kids with him.

You dodged a bullet if your kid didn't make, or you declined that team.

Ok with the rumors. You may want to get the facts straight so I will give them to you. There were a lot of things that went on with FCA team this year. HEAD coach was playing to parents that complained about there kids playing time instead of playing talent. This included some texting coaches during games. Some kids got short end of that deal and decided not to return to FCA. Head coach left in middle of last tournament the day before championship with no notice which worried some about his commitment to kids. New head coach wasn’t announced till after end of season and from I know was already assisting coaching another club level and high school team so some were concerned . Old head coach was to stay on which was another concern. There was no defensive coach named. All families made this decision on there own including us. It’s was more about playing with friends my son had. We loved the years played at FCA and the kids on team but writing was on the wall. I still wish them the best and especially the kids. Hope this clears everything up.

You missed the part where the giant assistant blob didn’t tell anyone they were leaving and basically killed another team in his way out. Heard they did the same thing on their way out of kent island also. Seems to be a pattern. They bought their way into BL also and are paying for other BL tuitions for FCA kids also. He’s the next wanna be rich guy in the MIAA. Good luck to the FCA people that are left. And god help the Crabs people with there “new” additions

It was the exact same thing at USS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The '27 Crabs brought over an FCA dad as assistant and he brought a few kids with him.

You dodged a bullet if your kid didn't make, or you declined that team.

Ok with the rumors. You may want to get the facts straight so I will give them to you. There were a lot of things that went on with FCA team this year. HEAD coach was playing to parents that complained about there kids playing time instead of playing talent. This included some texting coaches during games. Some kids got short end of that deal and decided not to return to FCA. Head coach left in middle of last tournament the day before championship with no notice which worried some about his commitment to kids. New head coach wasn’t announced till after end of season and from I know was already assisting coaching another club level and high school team so some were concerned . Old head coach was to stay on which was another concern. There was no defensive coach named. All families made this decision on there own including us. It’s was more about playing with friends my son had. We loved the years played at FCA and the kids on team but writing was on the wall. I still wish them the best and especially the kids. Hope this clears everything up.

You missed the part where the giant assistant blob didn’t tell anyone they were leaving and basically killed another team in his way out. Heard they did the same thing on their way out of kent island also. Seems to be a pattern. They bought their way into BL also and are paying for other BL tuitions for FCA kids also. He’s the next wanna be rich guy in the MIAA. Good luck to the FCA people that are left. And god help the Crabs people with there “new” additions

It was the exact same thing at USS.

Weird because we were a part of that USS team and he was the one who was actually blindsided there. We have all remained friends, although our boys don’t play together anymore.

There is absolutely no truth in any of what has been said above. He’s a great dude who I have a lot of respect for. Gotta love the anonymity of this board.

Funny how the FCA parents that left love him now but forget how he played favorites and his son never came out of the game. Enjoy the honeymoon. You will definitely have buyer’s’ remorse. When your kid reaches 8th or 9th grade you better be ready to holdback and pay for an Extra year of BL (a garbage school) or they’re going to be on the outs. Don’t kid yourself it happens every year. Why do you think crabs stinks at the younger ages but suddenly gets better.

Played his favorites or brought over his friends kids who didn’t try out for the team or attend any practices. Funny FCA started out so strong and could have been a great team but the “wonderful” coaches destroyed that. Good luck to the Crabs this coming season. You’ll soon see for yourself.

Nothing better than a scorned FCA parents. See ya Golo’s!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is MD going to have any WSYL teams or is 91 LI just going to cruise to the cup?

Going to be 91 LI as winner. All mid Atlantic aremassive holdbacks, can't beat the kids who are normal age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is MD going to have any WSYL teams or is 91 LI just going to cruise to the cup?

Going to be 91 LI as winner. All mid Atlantic aremassive holdbacks, can't beat the kids who are normal age.

What clubs will have teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The '27 Crabs brought over an FCA dad as assistant and he brought a few kids with him.

You dodged a bullet if your kid didn't make, or you declined that team.

Ok with the rumors. You may want to get the facts straight so I will give them to you. There were a lot of things that went on with FCA team this year. HEAD coach was playing to parents that complained about there kids playing time instead of playing talent. This included some texting coaches during games. Some kids got short end of that deal and decided not to return to FCA. Head coach left in middle of last tournament the day before championship with no notice which worried some about his commitment to kids. New head coach wasn’t announced till after end of season and from I know was already assisting coaching another club level and high school team so some were concerned . Old head coach was to stay on which was another concern. There was no defensive coach named. All families made this decision on there own including us. It’s was more about playing with friends my son had. We loved the years played at FCA and the kids on team but writing was on the wall. I still wish them the best and especially the kids. Hope this clears everything up.

You missed the part where the giant assistant blob didn’t tell anyone they were leaving and basically killed another team in his way out. Heard they did the same thing on their way out of kent island also. Seems to be a pattern. They bought their way into BL also and are paying for other BL tuitions for FCA kids also. He’s the next wanna be rich guy in the MIAA. Good luck to the FCA people that are left. And god help the Crabs people with there “new” additions

It was the exact same thing at USS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The '27 Crabs brought over an FCA dad as assistant and he brought a few kids with him.

You dodged a bullet if your kid didn't make, or you declined that team.

Ok with the rumors. You may want to get the facts straight so I will give them to you. There were a lot of things that went on with FCA team this year. HEAD coach was playing to parents that complained about there kids playing time instead of playing talent. This included some texting coaches during games. Some kids got short end of that deal and decided not to return to FCA. Head coach left in middle of last tournament the day before championship with no notice which worried some about his commitment to kids. New head coach wasn’t announced till after end of season and from I know was already assisting coaching another club level and high school team so some were concerned . Old head coach was to stay on which was another concern. There was no defensive coach named. All families made this decision on there own including us. It’s was more about playing with friends my son had. We loved the years played at FCA and the kids on team but writing was on the wall. I still wish them the best and especially the kids. Hope this clears everything up.

You missed the part where the giant assistant blob didn’t tell anyone they were leaving and basically killed another team in his way out. Heard they did the same thing on their way out of kent island also. Seems to be a pattern. They bought their way into BL also and are paying for other BL tuitions for FCA kids also. He’s the next wanna be rich guy in the MIAA. Good luck to the FCA people that are left. And god help the Crabs people with there “new” additions

It was the exact same thing at USS.

Weird because we were a part of that USS team and he was the one who was actually blindsided there. We have all remained friends, although our boys don’t play together anymore.

There is absolutely no truth in any of what has been said above. He’s a great dude who I have a lot of respect for. Gotta love the anonymity of this board.

Funny how the FCA parents that left love him now but forget how he played favorites and his son never came out of the game. Enjoy the honeymoon. You will definitely have buyer’s’ remorse. When your kid reaches 8th or 9th grade you better be ready to holdback and pay for an Extra year of BL (a garbage school) or they’re going to be on the outs. Don’t kid yourself it happens every year. Why do you think crabs stinks at the younger ages but suddenly gets better.

Hold M Back Mac only cares about collecting a check until high school-coaching up until that point is all over the place-no consistency. Sometimes even in the high school years the coaching is sub par. In 7th & 8th grade he tries to get your son to come to BL and holdback, as well as now recruiting for the boarding school. If this model is not working your sons Crabs team is doomed. BL players are also protected during these years if they are worthy of making the team or not. All of these actions create much turnover as your son comes through the middle school years. BL ranks among the lower schools academically if you care. Currently they are struggling with middle school enrollment-big tuition with little value... All of this turnover/confusion/kaos has not created a lot of winning at the local or national level for a while, just a few new Rovers for the ol' boy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nothing better than a scorned FCA parents. See ya Golo’s!!!

Let it go. You aren’t as anonymous as you think you are Mr K. You’ve been trolling a grown man (and his child) over a game for 12 year olds. Perspective. You are the poison in the well. Time to move on and focus on your team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nothing better than a scorned FCA parents. See ya Golo’s!!!

Let it go. You aren’t as anonymous as you think you are Mr K. You’ve been trolling a grown man (and his child) over a game for 12 year olds. Perspective. You are the poison in the well. Time to move on and focus on your team.

Love when anonymous isn’t that anonymous!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nothing better than a scorned FCA parents. See ya Golo’s!!!

Let it go. You aren’t as anonymous as you think you are Mr K. You’ve been trolling a grown man (and his child) over a game for 12 year olds. Perspective. You are the poison in the well. Time to move on and focus on your team.

Mr.K sounds like a James Bond spy!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nothing better than a scorned FCA parents. See ya Golo’s!!!

Let it go. You aren’t as anonymous as you think you are Mr K. You’ve been trolling a grown man (and his child) over a game for 12 year olds. Perspective. You are the poison in the well. Time to move on and focus on your team.

If that is who this is, it makes perfect sense! Angry about everything. Mumbling and stomping around like a toddler when his kid wasn’t on the field. Pretty entertaining to watch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nothing better than a scorned FCA parents. See ya Golo’s!!!

Let it go. You aren’t as anonymous as you think you are Mr K. You’ve been trolling a grown man (and his child) over a game for 12 year olds. Perspective. You are the poison in the well. Time to move on and focus on your team.

If that is who this is, it makes perfect sense! Angry about everything. Mumbling and stomping around like a toddler when his kid wasn’t on the field. Pretty entertaining to watch.

Enjoying this thread! Who is The elusive Mr K?
But, Goloboski? Yeah, good luck with that guy. The player is undersized and is t even that good anyway. Kid of a worthless argument imo

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nothing better than a scorned FCA parents. See ya Golo’s!!!

Let it go. You aren’t as anonymous as you think you are Mr K. You’ve been trolling a grown man (and his child) over a game for 12 year olds. Perspective. You are the poison in the well. Time to move on and focus on your team.

If that is who this is, it makes perfect sense! Angry about everything. Mumbling and stomping around like a toddler when his kid wasn’t on the field. Pretty entertaining to watch.

Enjoying this thread! Who is The elusive Mr K?
But, Goloboski? Yeah, good luck with that guy. The player is undersized and is t even that good anyway. Kid of a worthless argument imo

-Mr.K

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just more hogwash from posters here who like to trash everyone outside of a few clubs. Don't listen to the negative noise. There are a lot of good lacrosse teams and clubs out there. But the coaches/parents of a few teams like to say if you don't play for their 3 "Elite" clubs, the rest are garbage. AAA, AA and A stinks!

Simply not true. There are good teams/players everywhere.

There's lots of insecure parents on these boards. And a lot of program directors who MAKE A LIVING off of scaring parents into believing BS.

The reality is, early recruiting is gone. Club lax is much less relevant today. Sure it's good for kids to play competitive ball and stay sharp in the summer. But program directors want you to think it still REALLY matters. They have to. Doing so, pays their bills.

It's just a game for kids. The good ones will be found in hs-wherever they go. Public or private. There are a TON of college lax programs if your kid wants to play. And D1 is not always the best. There are a lot of lousy, unsupported, D1 programs. And D3 has some really great programs.

Now that we've cleared that up, please carry on your usual circular conversations.

Seriously ?? Speak for yourself. It is D1 or bust for us parents of elite players. Top Elite Club only, MIAA . Sorry you are not able to reach those .

Misconception #2-

"Elite" Clubs are the only ones with good teams.

The reality is, there is no such thing as a truly "elite" club. Many of the big-name clubs have just one or two top-tier teams. Those are the ones they promote the most all over the internet and sites like this. The rest is all smoke and mirrors, social media marketing, and PR.

The reality is many "elite clubs" have mediocre and even bad "B" squads to fleece desperate wannabe parents out of money.

There are good teams everywhere. But most club programs just have one or two.

Can you find it? It's usually the team where parents cheer for the whole team, coaches are trusted to coach, and the kids hang out off the field.

Now that we've cleared that up, please carry on your usual circular conversations.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nothing better than a scorned FCA parents. See ya Golo’s!!!

Let it go. You aren’t as anonymous as you think you are Mr K. You’ve been trolling a grown man (and his child) over a game for 12 year olds. Perspective. You are the poison in the well. Time to move on and focus on your team.

If that is who this is, it makes perfect sense! Angry about everything. Mumbling and stomping around like a toddler when his kid wasn’t on the field. Pretty entertaining to watch.

Enjoying this thread! Who is The elusive Mr K?
But, Goloboski? Yeah, good luck with that guy. The player is undersized and is t even that good anyway. Kid of a worthless argument imo

…. Spoken like a real Mr K.

Mr. K, is that you? Would love to see Goloboski sit on you and watch you mumble Hahahah

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mr. K, is that you? Would love to see Goloboski sit on you and watch you mumble Hahahah

Who is Mr K.?? And if Golo sat on anyone there wouldn’t be much chance of surviving. Why don’t you ask the former Don why his son is at BL??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nothing better than a scorned FCA parents. See ya Golo’s!!!

Let it go. You aren’t as anonymous as you think you are Mr K. You’ve been trolling a grown man (and his child) over a game for 12 year olds. Perspective. You are the poison in the well. Time to move on and focus on your team.

Mr.K sounds like a James Bond spy!

I love those old Bond movies....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mr. K, is that you? Would love to see Goloboski sit on you and watch you mumble Hahahah

Who is Mr K.?? And if Golo sat on anyone there wouldn’t be much chance of surviving. Why don’t you ask the former Don why his son is at BL??

Personally I don't know why anyone would want to go to Loyola these days...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mr. K, is that you? Would love to see Goloboski sit on you and watch you mumble Hahahah

Who is Mr K.?? And if Golo sat on anyone there wouldn’t be much chance of surviving. Why don’t you ask the former Don why his son is at BL??

Personally I don't know why anyone would want to go to Loyola these days...

Still better then St. Paul’s

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mr. K, is that you? Would love to see Goloboski sit on you and watch you mumble Hahahah

Who is Mr K.?? And if Golo sat on anyone there wouldn’t be much chance of surviving. Why don’t you ask the former Don why his son is at BL??

Personally I don't know why anyone would want to go to Loyola these days...

Still better then St. Paul’s

This is true... but I'm sure the Predators draw will have elite players flocking to STP in no time!

Personally I don't know why anyone would want to go to Loyola these days...[/quote]

Still better then St. Paul’s[/quote]

This is true... but I'm sure the Predators draw will have elite players flocking to STP in no time![/quote]

Does Loyola have another feeder team emerging, or is there hope for a Looney's resurrection? I know they seem to be in a steady decline at the 2027 level. Whats going on with the older Looney's teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mr. K, is that you? Would love to see Goloboski sit on you and watch you mumble Hahahah

Who is Mr K.?? And if Golo sat on anyone there wouldn’t be much chance of surviving. Why don’t you ask the former Don why his son is at BL??

Personally I don't know why anyone would want to go to Loyola these days...

They consistently get less out their players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Personally I don't know why anyone would want to go to Loyola these days...

Still better then St. Paul’s[/quote]

This is true... but I'm sure the Predators draw will have elite players flocking to STP in no time![/quote]

Does Loyola have another feeder team emerging, or is there hope for a Looney's resurrection? I know they seem to be in a steady decline at the 2027 level. Whats going on with the older Looney's teams?[/quote]

I heard they are picking up a lot of 91 kids.

Money can buy him into a team but cannot buy him a lacrosse IQ. Good luck to the Crabs they have no idea what they are in for. The assistant coach will be his little puppet. Witnessed this first hand last year and so glad he left. A fresh start is much needed for many of those players just can’t believe some parents actually followed him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Money can buy him into a team but cannot buy him a lacrosse IQ. Good luck to the Crabs they have no idea what they are in for. The assistant coach will be his little puppet. Witnessed this first hand last year and so glad he left. A fresh start is much needed for many of those players just can’t believe some parents actually followed him.

Some = 99% of the starters.

You’re in the minority, but by all means. Keep whining.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Money can buy him into a team but cannot buy him a lacrosse IQ. Good luck to the Crabs they have no idea what they are in for. The assistant coach will be his little puppet. Witnessed this first hand last year and so glad he left. A fresh start is much needed for many of those players just can’t believe some parents actually followed him.

Some = 99% of the starters.

You’re in the minority, but by all means. Keep whining.

Think about what you just said. 99% of the starters who played on a team that didn’t have a very good record for the past two years. So how good are those starters???? That’s the question

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mr. K, is that you? Would love to see Goloboski sit on you and watch you mumble Hahahah

Who is Mr K.?? And if Golo sat on anyone there wouldn’t be much chance of surviving. Why don’t you ask the former Don why his son is at BL??

Personally I don't know why anyone would want to go to Loyola these days...

Still better then St. Paul’s

This is true... but I'm sure the Predators draw will have elite players flocking to STP in no time!

True Dat ! Heard several teams are loaded. Predators big talk in Baltimore. St P will be a contender within 2-3 years. I predict MIAA ship in 3 years. 4 max.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Money can buy him into a team but cannot buy him a lacrosse IQ. Good luck to the Crabs they have no idea what they are in for. The assistant coach will be his little puppet. Witnessed this first hand last year and so glad he left. A fresh start is much needed for many of those players just can’t believe some parents actually followed him.

Some = 99% of the starters.

You’re in the minority, but by all means. Keep whining.

Think about what you just said. 99% of the starters who played on a team that didn’t have a very good record for the past two years. So how good are those starters???? That’s the question

FCA was 4th last year in hoco. There was no hoco the year before that so don’t see your point. There are 4 other team that would of liked to be in that spot and make playoffs last year. Nobody said they were number one team. Think it’s hard to replace losing that many starters.

If Mr K knows so much wonder if he heard that head coach from FCA last year was going to cut his son this year???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Money can buy him into a team but cannot buy him a lacrosse IQ. Good luck to the Crabs they have no idea what they are in for. The assistant coach will be his little puppet. Witnessed this first hand last year and so glad he left. A fresh start is much needed for many of those players just can’t believe some parents actually followed him.

Some = 99% of the starters.

You’re in the minority, but by all means. Keep whining.

Think about what you just said. 99% of the starters who played on a team that didn’t have a very good record for the past two years. So how good are those starters???? That’s the question

FCA was 4th last year in hoco. There was no hoco the year before that so don’t see your point. There are 4 other team that would of liked to be in that spot and make playoffs last year. Nobody said they were number one team. Think it’s hard to replace losing that many starters.

In Hoco last spring, three teams were way ahead of the pack, so the gap between #3 and #4 was substantial. Finishing 4th was best of the rest. If your son was on the 2027 FCA team and wants to play at a strong HS program, he will need to improve a lot or reclass to 2028.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Money can buy him into a team but cannot buy him a lacrosse IQ. Good luck to the Crabs they have no idea what they are in for. The assistant coach will be his little puppet. Witnessed this first hand last year and so glad he left. A fresh start is much needed for many of those players just can’t believe some parents actually followed him.

Some = 99% of the starters.

You’re in the minority, but by all means. Keep whining.

Think about what you just said. 99% of the starters who played on a team that didn’t have a very good record for the past two years. So how good are those starters???? That’s the question

FCA was 4th last year in hoco. There was no hoco the year before that so don’t see your point. There are 4 other team that would of liked to be in that spot and make playoffs last year. Nobody said they were number one team. Think it’s hard to replace losing that many starters.

In Hoco last spring, three teams were way ahead of the pack, so the gap between #3 and #4 was substantial. Finishing 4th was best of the rest. If your son was on the 2027 FCA team and wants to play at a strong HS program, he will need to improve a lot or reclass to 2028.

Yeah your right. All those 60 kids from top 3 teams are only ones that stand a chance playing at legit high school.what a stunad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is MD going to have any WSYL teams or is 91 LI just going to cruise to the cup?

Hawks will need to bring up the 27 kids that dropped to 28 since have some holdbacks.

Next level don’t see them wasting time since have so many holdbacks

Madlax I’m sure they will put together a team.

Not sure about rest on teams but probably not

Best thing would be for someone to take notes from black ops which some would consider cheating. All you have to do is start a club with DC as home field since almost everyone is whithin 100 miles. Recruit all on age kids from best teams. Play 2 tournaments before world series and that’s it. You meet all requirements.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is MD going to have any WSYL teams or is 91 LI just going to cruise to the cup?

Hawks will need to bring up the 27 kids that dropped to 28 since have some holdbacks.

Next level don’t see them wasting time since have so many holdbacks

Madlax I’m sure they will put together a team.

Not sure about rest on teams but probably not

Best thing would be for someone to take notes from black ops which some would consider cheating. All you have to do is start a club with DC as home field since almost everyone is whithin 100 miles. Recruit all on age kids from best teams. Play 2 tournaments before world series and that’s it. You meet all requirements.

The kids that dropped down will be non-factors as 27s. The problem is the kids that played with the 26s this year will be sorely missed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is MD going to have any WSYL teams or is 91 LI just going to cruise to the cup?

Hawks will need to bring up the 27 kids that dropped to 28 since have some holdbacks.

Next level don’t see them wasting time since have so many holdbacks

Madlax I’m sure they will put together a team.

Not sure about rest on teams but probably not

Best thing would be for someone to take notes from black ops which some would consider cheating. All you have to do is start a club with DC as home field since almost everyone is whithin 100 miles. Recruit all on age kids from best teams. Play 2 tournaments before world series and that’s it. You meet all requirements.

The kids that dropped down will be non-factors as 27s. The problem is the kids that played with the 26s this year will be sorely missed.

The kids that played with the 26s can play this upcoming year with the 27s.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is MD going to have any WSYL teams or is 91 LI just going to cruise to the cup?

Hawks will need to bring up the 27 kids that dropped to 28 since have some holdbacks.

Next level don’t see them wasting time since have so many holdbacks

Madlax I’m sure they will put together a team.

Not sure about rest on teams but probably not

Best thing would be for someone to take notes from black ops which some would consider cheating. All you have to do is start a club with DC as home field since almost everyone is whithin 100 miles. Recruit all on age kids from best teams. Play 2 tournaments before world series and that’s it. You meet all requirements.

The kids that dropped down will be non-factors as 27s. The problem is the kids that played with the 26s this year will be sorely missed.

The kids that played with the 26s can play this upcoming year with the 27s.

Maybe Blackops will dominate MD again this time at 2027 ?

Will it be local again? If not, I just don’t think it’s worth it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is MD going to have any WSYL teams or is 91 LI just going to cruise to the cup?

Hawks will need to bring up the 27 kids that dropped to 28 since have some holdbacks.

Next level don’t see them wasting time since have so many holdbacks

Madlax I’m sure they will put together a team.

Not sure about rest on teams but probably not

Best thing would be for someone to take notes from black ops which some would consider cheating. All you have to do is start a club with DC as home field since almost everyone is whithin 100 miles. Recruit all on age kids from best teams. Play 2 tournaments before world series and that’s it. You meet all requirements.

The kids that dropped down will be non-factors as 27s. The problem is the kids that played with the 26s this year will be sorely missed.

The kids that played with the 26s can play this upcoming year with the 27s.

Ah no, they are the 27 holdbacks playing on age with 26.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will it be local again? If not, I just don’t think it’s worth it.

Roger that. It’s debatable whether it’s worth it locally. No way I would fly to Denver.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is MD going to have any WSYL teams or is 91 LI just going to cruise to the cup?

Hawks will need to bring up the 27 kids that dropped to 28 since have some holdbacks.

Next level don’t see them wasting time since have so many holdbacks

Madlax I’m sure they will put together a team.

Not sure about rest on teams but probably not

Best thing would be for someone to take notes from black ops which some would consider cheating. All you have to do is start a club with DC as home field since almost everyone is whithin 100 miles. Recruit all on age kids from best teams. Play 2 tournaments before world series and that’s it. You meet all requirements.

The kids that dropped down will be non-factors as 27s. The problem is the kids that played with the 26s this year will be sorely missed.

The kids that played with the 26s can play this upcoming year with the 27s.

Ah no, they are the 27 holdbacks playing on age with 26.

Not the Hawks kids. They are all on age 27s.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is MD going to have any WSYL teams or is 91 LI just going to cruise to the cup?

Hawks will need to bring up the 27 kids that dropped to 28 since have some holdbacks.

Next level don’t see them wasting time since have so many holdbacks

Madlax I’m sure they will put together a team.

Not sure about rest on teams but probably not

Best thing would be for someone to take notes from black ops which some would consider cheating. All you have to do is start a club with DC as home field since almost everyone is whithin 100 miles. Recruit all on age kids from best teams. Play 2 tournaments before world series and that’s it. You meet all requirements.

The kids that dropped down will be non-factors as 27s. The problem is the kids that played with the 26s this year will be sorely missed.

The kids that played with the 26s can play this upcoming year with the 27s.

Ah no, they are the 27 holdbacks playing on age with 26.

Not the Hawks kids. They are all on age 27s.

I’d be willing to bet they have at least 3-4 holdbacks. Not that I really care but really you think hawks are probably only team in 27 with all on age kids.

The kids that played with the 26s can play this upcoming year with the 27s.[/quote]

Ah no, they are the 27 holdbacks playing on age with 26.[/quote]

Not the Hawks kids. They are all on age 27s.[/quote]

I’d be willing to bet they have at least 3-4 holdbacks. Not that I really care but really you think hawks are probably only team in 27 with all on age kids.[/quote]

I wasn’t saying they have no holdbacks. I just know the ones that played up with us at WSYL are on age 27s and could play again. I’m sure they have a few

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The kids that played with the 26s can play this upcoming year with the 27s.

Ah no, they are the 27 holdbacks playing on age with 26.[/quote]

Not the Hawks kids. They are all on age 27s.[/quote]

I’d be willing to bet they have at least 3-4 holdbacks. Not that I really care but really you think hawks are probably only team in 27 with all on age kids.[/quote]

I wasn’t saying they have no holdbacks. I just know the ones that played up with us at WSYL are on age 27s and could play again. I’m sure they have a few[/quote]

And. Going forward there will be more and more holdbacks taking the spots of the “on-age” kids! Sad but true!

Please don’t turn this into the 28 thread where all they do is complain about holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The kids that played with the 26s can play this upcoming year with the 27s.

Ah no, they are the 27 holdbacks playing on age with 26.

Not the Hawks kids. They are all on age 27s.

I’d be willing to bet they have at least 3-4 holdbacks. Not that I really care but really you think hawks are probably only team in 27 with all on age kids.

I wasn’t saying they have no holdbacks. I just know the ones that played up with us at WSYL are on age 27s and could play again. I’m sure they have a few

And. Going forward there will be more and more holdbacks taking the spots of the “on-age” kids! Sad but true!

That is the state of lacrosse right now. A Big reason of the holdback scene is the private schools in the NE corridor including our MIAA schools. . I dont see it changing anytime soon as more and more parents see the effects of holding your child back. There is no penalty with grade base lacrosse

Other sports have holdbacks, but nothing like lacrosse. Money sports in college BB and Football have less holdbacks than lacrosse percentage wise easily.

I can’t believe the toxic natural of these FCA 2027 parents. No wonder the coaches left. So much for prayers in the huddle. Jeez!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can’t believe the toxic natural of these FCA 2027 parents. No wonder the coaches left. So much for prayers in the huddle. Jeez!!!

Amen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please don’t turn this into the 28 thread where all they do is complain about holdbacks.

2028 thread in a nut shell:

10% Complaints/brags about Madlax

25% Complaints/brags about Hawks

60% Whining about holdbacks

4% Joking on Team 91 and/or Crabs

1% Using True as a punch line for a joke

There's literally nothing else for those dads to discuss in youth lacrosse apparently.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please don’t turn this into the 28 thread where all they do is complain about holdbacks.

2028 thread in a nut shell:

10% Complaints/brags about Madlax

25% Complaints/brags about Hawks

60% Whining about holdbacks

4% Joking on Team 91 and/or Crabs

1% Using True as a punch line for a joke

There's literally nothing else for those dads to discuss in youth lacrosse apparently.

Easy there Karen, It is late August , what do you expect?? It is the off season stir the pot time. Most kids should not even be thinking about lacrosse. Play another sport, Hit The Books, or go have some fun with their friends. This is our time !! LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please don’t turn this into the 28 thread where all they do is complain about holdbacks.

2028 thread in a nut shell:

10% Complaints/brags about Madlax

25% Complaints/brags about Hawks

60% Whining about holdbacks

4% Joking on Team 91 and/or Crabs

1% Using True as a punch line for a joke

There's literally nothing else for those dads to discuss in youth lacrosse apparently.

And clearly nothing else for you to do other than read and triage all the posts from the 28 forum.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please don’t turn this into the 28 thread where all they do is complain about holdbacks.

2028 thread in a nut shell:

10% Complaints/brags about Madlax

25% Complaints/brags about Hawks

60% Whining about holdbacks

4% Joking on Team 91 and/or Crabs

1% Using True as a punch line for a joke

There's literally nothing else for those dads to discuss in youth lacrosse apparently.

Easy there Karen, It is late August , what do you expect?? It is the off season stir the pot time. Most kids should not even be thinking about lacrosse. Play another sport, Hit The Books, or go have some fun with their friends. This is our time !! LOL

Your time was 30 years ago.

Your time was probably never and that is why you are now living through your son.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your time was probably never and that is why you are now living through your son.

Man you should have been swallowed

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your time was probably never and that is why you are now living through your son.

There’s a lot of that on here !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is MD going to have any WSYL teams or is 91 LI just going to cruise to the cup?

Hawks will need to bring up the 27 kids that dropped to 28 since have some holdbacks.

Next level don’t see them wasting time since have so many holdbacks

Madlax I’m sure they will put together a team.

Not sure about rest on teams but probably not

Best thing would be for someone to take notes from black ops which some would consider cheating. All you have to do is start a club with DC as home field since almost everyone is whithin 100 miles. Recruit all on age kids from best teams. Play 2 tournaments before world series and that’s it. You meet all requirements.

The kids that dropped down will be non-factors as 27s. The problem is the kids that played with the 26s this year will be sorely missed.

The kids that played with the 26s can play this upcoming year with the 27s.

Ah no, they are the 27 holdbacks playing on age with 26.

Not the Hawks kids. They are all on age 27s.

Sorry not true, know for sure on 3, I think the forth is also but not 100% sure. So minimum 3, fact.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please don’t turn this into the 28 thread where all they do is complain about holdbacks.

2028 thread in a nut shell:

10% Complaints/brags about Madlax

25% Complaints/brags about Hawks

60% Whining about holdbacks

4% Joking on Team 91 and/or Crabs

1% Using True as a punch line for a joke

There's literally nothing else for those dads to discuss in youth lacrosse apparently.

And clearly nothing else for you to do other than read and triage all the posts from the 28 forum.

You forgot the 8% predator posts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please don’t turn this into the 28 thread where all they do is complain about holdbacks.

Of course you don’t like it, your kid is one of the 28 holdbacks. Why else would you be on the 27 board?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please don’t turn this into the 28 thread where all they do is complain about holdbacks.

2028 thread in a nut shell:

10% Complaints/brags about Madlax

25% Complaints/brags about Hawks

60% Whining about holdbacks

4% Joking on Team 91 and/or Crabs

1% Using True as a punch line for a joke

There's literally nothing else for those dads to discuss in youth lacrosse apparently.

And clearly nothing else for you to do other than read and triage all the posts from the 28 forum.

You forgot the 8% predator posts.

At least there is a good reason for Predator posts, Talk of the town and have many clubs nervous .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your time was probably never and that is why you are now living through your son.

There’s a lot of that on here !

Why not ! After paying thousands of dollars ,,,,,,, Between Practice and games ,driving enough miles to go around the world,,,,,,,,, ruining my pipes yelling , wheels, wheels ,wheels, Come on Ref , make the Call, put a body on him, Thats a Crosscheck, Break His arms, etc etc,

Yep, I am going to live thru my son until he is done, I deserve it !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please don’t turn this into the 28 thread where all they do is complain about holdbacks.

Of course you don’t like it, your kid is one of the 28 holdbacks. Why else would you be on the 27 board?

Wrong! But nice try. I would rather see my son struggle to get better then drop down to make him look good. Nobody gets better by playing less competition. The 28 parents on that thread are crazy. I go there to get a good laugh.

When he is in 9th grade will you mind if he plays against Seniors?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When he is in 9th grade will you mind if he plays against Seniors?

That’s the biggest thing here. These kids are a couple years removed from HS. They are going to have to play older kids immediately. Crying about holdbacks is nauseating. Single handedly ruining the boards. Guess what? Nothing is going to change. If anything, it’ll happen more.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When he is in 9th grade will you mind if he plays against Seniors?

Yea, There is no difference between playing High School and under 8th grade to 1st grade Youth lacrosse. Can you holdback apologists at least try to be somewhat reasonable with your apologies.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your time was probably never and that is why you are now living through your son.

Man you should have been swallowed

That’s hilarious that’s what your wife said to all the dads on the sidelines. Line up I will swallow.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please don’t turn this into the 28 thread where all they do is complain about holdbacks.

2028 thread in a nut shell:

10% Complaints/brags about Madlax

25% Complaints/brags about Hawks

60% Whining about holdbacks

4% Joking on Team 91 and/or Crabs

1% Using True as a punch line for a joke

There's literally nothing else for those dads to discuss in youth lacrosse apparently.

And clearly nothing else for you to do other than read and triage all the posts from the 28 forum.

You forgot the 8% predator posts.

At least there is a good reason for Predator posts, Talk of the town and have many clubs nervous .

These troll posts from Fake Preds Dad are pretty good but you can do better lol.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When he is in 9th grade will you mind if he plays against Seniors?

Isn’t that how it works? If your kid is good enough to make varsity as freshman he will be playing with seniors. If your holding your kid back now in hopes he makes varsity as freshman you have issues.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When he is in 9th grade will you mind if he plays against Seniors?

That’s the biggest thing here. These kids are a couple years removed from HS. They are going to have to play older kids immediately. Crying about holdbacks is nauseating. Single handedly ruining the boards. Guess what? Nothing is going to change. If anything, it’ll happen more.

And I along with others would say, the epidemic of holdbacks at the youth level is ruining lacrosse for majority of people.

Only reason it is accepted is that private schools are a big engine of high level lacrosse and they have the majority of holdbacks at youth. In MD everyone wants to play MIAA, which is holdback central.

And I agree, holdbacks will be more and more as years go by.

The rule should be anyone who wants, can play down a year ( age wise). just like holdbacks do now. This would be for 1st thru 8th youth lacrosse. That way. no moaning and groaning about holdbacks, Not everyone would use it, but it would be a good thing for youth sports in lacrosse

Yeah. It should be on age through middle school. Then in high school go to town holding your kids back if that’s your thing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When he is in 9th grade will you mind if he plays against Seniors?

That’s the biggest thing here. These kids are a couple years removed from HS. They are going to have to play older kids immediately. Crying about holdbacks is nauseating. Single handedly ruining the boards. Guess what? Nothing is going to change. If anything, it’ll happen more.

And I along with others would say, the epidemic of holdbacks at the youth level is ruining lacrosse for majority of people.

Only reason it is accepted is that private schools are a big engine of high level lacrosse and they have the majority of holdbacks at youth. In MD everyone wants to play MIAA, which is holdback central.

And I agree, holdbacks will be more and more as years go by.

The rule should be anyone who wants, can play down a year ( age wise). just like holdbacks do now. This would be for 1st thru 8th youth lacrosse. That way. no moaning and groaning about holdbacks, Not everyone would use it, but it would be a good thing for youth sports in lacrosse

The Youth Lax seen is ridiculous. Youth lax tournaments should all be World Series of Youth lax model until after 8th grade. Then hold back all you want at least the majority of the kids will have hit puberty.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your time was probably never and that is why you are now living through your son.

Man you should have been swallowed

That’s hilarious that’s what your wife said to all the dads on the sidelines. Line up I will swallow.

Wow. Unnecessary.

Tournaments this weekend.

Blandair, MD 27s:
Predators
Bethesda Blue
Madlax
Sidewinders
VLC
Mesa

Milford, DE 27s:
3d NE
Hawks
Building Bloks
FCA Baltimore
Freedom
LI Express
Sweetlax Upstate

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tournaments this weekend.

Blandair, MD 27s:
Predators
Bethesda Blue
Madlax
Sidewinders
VLC
Mesa

Milford, DE 27s:
3d NE
Hawks
Building Bloks
FCA Baltimore
Freedom
LI Express
Sweetlax Upstate

Preds 3-0
Hawks 2-1
MadLax 0-3

Stop wiht the trolling. Preds are a new team, limited practices. They have never played together. MadLax will be the huge faves in MD.
Liking the Hawks as the fave up in DE.

hawks first tournament is Oct.31

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tournaments this weekend.

Blandair, MD 27s:
Predators
Bethesda Blue
Madlax
Sidewinders
VLC
Mesa

Milford, DE 27s:
3d NE
Hawks
Building Bloks
FCA Baltimore
Freedom
LI Express
Sweetlax Upstate

Preds 3-0
Hawks 2-1
MadLax 0-3

Hawks, FCA and Freedom are not in DE, the others are along with NJ Express, Shore2Shore, Next Level and Team Ten

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stop wiht the trolling. Preds are a new team, limited practices. They have never played together. MadLax will be the huge faves in MD.
Liking the Hawks as the fave up in DE.

Agree, More than likely one win and two competitive loses .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stop wiht the trolling. Preds are a new team, limited practices. They have never played together. MadLax will be the huge faves in MD.
Liking the Hawks as the fave up in DE.

Agree, More than likely one win and two competitive loses .

I think that would be a real positive result for any new team.

The parents who are accusing people of "crying" about their holdback kids are the ones ruining the sport for kids who are playing by the rules. It has now turned into a free for all just so you can finally be satisfied with your kids performance. Pathetic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The parents who are accusing people of "crying" about their holdback kids are the ones ruining the sport for kids who are playing by the rules. It has now turned into a free for all just so you can finally be satisfied with your kids performance. Pathetic.

Some of us who are telling you to stop crying have on age kids. We just don’t want to get into the excuses and whining. I know it is hard for you to imagine that people have a different viewpoint.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The parents who are accusing people of "crying" about their holdback kids are the ones ruining the sport for kids who are playing by the rules. It has now turned into a free for all just so you can finally be satisfied with your kids performance. Pathetic.

Easy there, Do agree with you about ruining the sport of youth lacrosse, but unfortunately holdbacks are within grade based rules, doesnt matter the age, only grade.

Technically, single, double, triple, quadruple holdbacks can play within their grade at youth, Sorta ridiculous if you think about it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The parents who are accusing people of "crying" about their holdback kids are the ones ruining the sport for kids who are playing by the rules. It has now turned into a free for all just so you can finally be satisfied with your kids performance. Pathetic.

Easy there, Do agree with you about ruining the sport of youth lacrosse, but unfortunately holdbacks are within grade based rules, doesnt matter the age, only grade.

Technically, single, double, triple, quadruple holdbacks can play within their grade at youth, Sorta ridiculous if you think about it.

There is a board for that…

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The parents who are accusing people of "crying" about their holdback kids are the ones ruining the sport for kids who are playing by the rules. It has now turned into a free for all just so you can finally be satisfied with your kids performance. Pathetic.

My kid is playing on age as a true ‘27.

Take it to the holdbacks thread.

What are these rules you speak? Honestly, Hoco and most tournaments are set up by grade year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The parents who are accusing people of "crying" about their holdback kids are the ones ruining the sport for kids who are playing by the rules. It has now turned into a free for all just so you can finally be satisfied with your kids performance. Pathetic.

My kid is playing on age as a true ‘27.

Take it to the holdbacks thread.

Do you want a medal ?? And when did you become the King?

Nationals lacrosse at odds with Madlax and Cabels tourneys- booted from the US Club Lax championships in Orlando and others. Uh oh!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nationals lacrosse at odds with Madlax and Cabels tourneys- booted from the US Club Lax championships in Orlando and others. Uh oh!!!

Smart move by Madlax. Nationals would have embarrassed them again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nationals lacrosse at odds with Madlax and Cabels tourneys- booted from the US Club Lax championships in Orlando and others. Uh oh!!!

Smart move by Madlax. Nationals would have embarrassed them again.

Booted, how? Why? Makes no sense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nationals lacrosse at odds with Madlax and Cabels tourneys- booted from the US Club Lax championships in Orlando and others. Uh oh!!!

Smart move by Madlax. Nationals would have embarrassed them again.

Booted, how? Why? Makes no sense.

Removed from the tourney, hotels canceled.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nationals lacrosse at odds with Madlax and Cabels tourneys- booted from the US Club Lax championships in Orlando and others. Uh oh!!!

Smart move by Madlax. Nationals would have embarrassed them again.

Booted, how? Why? Makes no sense.

Removed from the tourney, hotels canceled.

They got too good. Simple as that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nationals lacrosse at odds with Madlax and Cabels tourneys- booted from the US Club Lax championships in Orlando and others. Uh oh!!!

Smart move by Madlax. Nationals would have embarrassed them again.

Booted, how? Why? Makes no sense.

Removed from the tourney, hotels canceled.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nationals lacrosse at odds with Madlax and Cabels tourneys- booted from the US Club Lax championships in Orlando and others. Uh oh!!!

Smart move by Madlax. Nationals would have embarrassed them again.

Booted, how? Why? Makes no sense.

Removed from the tourney, hotels canceled.

Wonder where all those kids land?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nationals lacrosse at odds with Madlax and Cabels tourneys- booted from the US Club Lax championships in Orlando and others. Uh oh!!!

Smart move by Madlax. Nationals would have embarrassed them again.

Booted, how? Why? Makes no sense.

Removed from the tourney, hotels canceled.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nationals lacrosse at odds with Madlax and Cabels tourneys- booted from the US Club Lax championships in Orlando and others. Uh oh!!!

Smart move by Madlax. Nationals would have embarrassed them again.

Booted, how? Why? Makes no sense.

Removed from the tourney, hotels canceled.

Wonder where all those kids land?

Madlax 😂

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Nationals lacrosse at odds with Madlax and Cabels tourneys- booted from the US Club Lax championships in Orlando and others. Uh oh!!!

Smart move by Madlax. Nationals would have embarrassed them again.

Booted, how? Why? Makes no sense.

All their kids are from other teams, hence them being “Nationals”. Club Nationals is a national tourney where nationals teams from all over participate. The 2027 Nationals team didn’t cheat at Club Nationals last year. They don’t have holdbacks. They are just really talented and beat the garbage out of everyone last year. Sad that people can’t digest that, and always make excuses.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nationals lacrosse at odds with Madlax and Cabels tourneys- booted from the US Club Lax championships in Orlando and others. Uh oh!!!

Smart move by Madlax. Nationals would have embarrassed them again.

On age is a tough one for top clubs to compete.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nationals lacrosse at odds with Madlax and Cabels tourneys- booted from the US Club Lax championships in Orlando and others. Uh oh!!!

Smart move by Madlax. Nationals would have embarrassed them again.

On age is a tough one for top clubs to compete.

Any chance this is about the name? Madlax Nationals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nationals lacrosse at odds with Madlax and Cabels tourneys- booted from the US Club Lax championships in Orlando and others. Uh oh!!!

Smart move by Madlax. Nationals would have embarrassed them again.

On age is a tough one for top clubs to compete.

Any chance this is about the name? Madlax Nationals.

The kids playing on Nationals '27 are exceptionally good. They should beat up on everyone and they do. The problem isn't with the kids but with the guy running the club. Well document M.O. Not uncommon territory for him. Why is this surprising to anyone?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Nationals lacrosse at odds with Madlax and Cabels tourneys- booted from the US Club Lax championships in Orlando and others. Uh oh!!!

Smart move by Madlax. Nationals would have embarrassed them again.

Booted, how? Why? Makes no sense.

All their kids are from other teams, hence them being “Nationals”. Club Nationals is a national tourney where nationals teams from all over participate. The 2027 Nationals team didn’t cheat at Club Nationals last year. They don’t have holdbacks. They are just really talented and beat the garbage out of everyone last year. Sad that people can’t digest that, and always make excuses.

Nope. At least one holdback and probably more. One of the 91MD kids is a 2026 playing down on the Nationals 2027. Thanks tho.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Nationals lacrosse at odds with Madlax and Cabels tourneys- booted from the US Club Lax championships in Orlando and others. Uh oh!!!

Smart move by Madlax. Nationals would have embarrassed them again.

Booted, how? Why? Makes no sense.

All their kids are from other teams, hence them being “Nationals”. Club Nationals is a national tourney where nationals teams from all over participate. The 2027 Nationals team didn’t cheat at Club Nationals last year. They don’t have holdbacks. They are just really talented and beat the garbage out of everyone last year. Sad that people can’t digest that, and always make excuses.

Nope. At least one holdback and probably more. One of the 91MD kids is a 2026 playing down on the Nationals 2027. Thanks tho.

He’s a 27 playing up on T91 26 because of how bad the 27s are. Thanks tho.

The 26s are worse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Nationals lacrosse at odds with Madlax and Cabels tourneys- booted from the US Club Lax championships in Orlando and others. Uh oh!!!

Smart move by Madlax. Nationals would have embarrassed them again.

Booted, how? Why? Makes no sense.

All their kids are from other teams, hence them being “Nationals”. Club Nationals is a national tourney where nationals teams from all over participate. The 2027 Nationals team didn’t cheat at Club Nationals last year. They don’t have holdbacks. They are just really talented and beat the garbage out of everyone last year. Sad that people can’t digest that, and always make excuses.

Nope. At least one holdback and probably more. One of the 91MD kids is a 2026 playing down on the Nationals 2027. Thanks tho.

He’s a 27 playing up on T91 26 because of how bad the 27s are. Thanks tho.

Easy Girls, Its all about the endgame, Thanks , Tho

What happened at Blandair today?

Good lax at Blandair. 5 of 9 games decided by 3 goals or less.

Madlax Capital, Sidewinders and Mesa all VERY CLOSE Elite- level teams.

Bethesda Blue, VLC and Preds a step below those 3- less size and depth, all will probably end up as AAA-level teams.

Madlax capital and sidewinders 2-0-1
Mesa 2-1
Bethesda Blue and VLC 1-2
Preds 0-3

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Nationals lacrosse at odds with Madlax and Cabels tourneys- booted from the US Club Lax championships in Orlando and others. Uh oh!!!

Smart move by Madlax. Nationals would have embarrassed them again.

Booted, how? Why? Makes no sense.

All their kids are from other teams, hence them being “Nationals”. Club Nationals is a national tourney where nationals teams from all over participate. The 2027 Nationals team didn’t cheat at Club Nationals last year. They don’t have holdbacks. They are just really talented and beat the garbage out of everyone last year. Sad that people can’t digest that, and always make excuses.

Nope. At least one holdback and probably more. One of the 91MD kids is a 2026 playing down on the Nationals 2027. Thanks tho.

He’s a 27 playing up on T91 26 because of how bad the 27s are. Thanks tho.

He's a reclass so chronologically he is a '26, but yes, the 91MD 2027's are terrible.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax Capital, Sidewinders and Mesa all VERY CLOSE Elite- level teams.

That's rich.

So your saying because one person reclassed they got kicked out. Wow youth sports. I had not heard of nationals and looked them up on USClub. Looks like they have been around and playing together for 2 years (not some quick all star team) Also according to site played 27 games last year. More then most regional clubs. Maybe the kids play for Nationals and guest play for teams like Hawks, team 91, NL, and crabs......Was any reason given why they got kicked out other then winning?!?!? A national team can't play against other National teams because they are a National team. hmmmm

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax Capital, Sidewinders and Mesa all VERY CLOSE Elite- level teams.

That's rich.

So tell me what these scores mean:

Madlax Capital 3 Sidewinders 3
Sidewinders 6 Bethesda 5
Sidewinders 5 VLC 2
Mesa 11 Bethesda Blue 3
Mesa 11 VLC 4
Madlax Capital 8 Mesa 3

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax Capital, Sidewinders and Mesa all VERY CLOSE Elite- level teams.

That's rich.

So tell me what these scores mean:

Madlax Capital 3 Sidewinders 3
Sidewinders 6 Bethesda 5
Sidewinders 5 VLC 2
Mesa 11 Bethesda Blue 3
Mesa 11 VLC 4
Madlax Capital 8 Mesa 3

They mean some teams were missing players, it's fall ball.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax Capital, Sidewinders and Mesa all VERY CLOSE Elite- level teams.

That's rich.

So tell me what these scores mean:

Madlax Capital 3 Sidewinders 3
Sidewinders 6 Bethesda 5
Sidewinders 5 VLC 2
Mesa 11 Bethesda Blue 3
Mesa 11 VLC 4
Madlax Capital 8 Mesa 3

It means Madlax got significantly worse because their new coach drove away about 8 families. It means Sidewinders got a little better with the addition of a few Hawks 2nd stringers. It means BLC got better with some Next Level and Madlax additions. VLC is still 2nd tier.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax Capital, Sidewinders and Mesa all VERY CLOSE Elite- level teams.

That's rich.

So tell me what these scores mean:

Madlax Capital 3 Sidewinders 3
Sidewinders 6 Bethesda 5
Sidewinders 5 VLC 2
Mesa 11 Bethesda Blue 3
Mesa 11 VLC 4
Madlax Capital 8 Mesa 3

They mean some teams were missing players, it's fall ball.

Madlax had their full roster.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax Capital, Sidewinders and Mesa all VERY CLOSE Elite- level teams.

That's rich.

So tell me what these scores mean:

Madlax Capital 3 Sidewinders 3
Sidewinders 6 Bethesda 5
Sidewinders 5 VLC 2
Mesa 11 Bethesda Blue 3
Mesa 11 VLC 4
Madlax Capital 8 Mesa 3

They mean some teams were missing players, it's fall ball.

Very convenient.

All the teams were missing players. It's soccer tournament season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax Capital, Sidewinders and Mesa all VERY CLOSE Elite- level teams.

That's rich.

So tell me what these scores mean:

Madlax Capital 3 Sidewinders 3
Sidewinders 6 Bethesda 5
Sidewinders 5 VLC 2
Mesa 11 Bethesda Blue 3
Mesa 11 VLC 4
Madlax Capital 8 Mesa 3

It means your son had a bad experience in MadLax and you can't get go!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax Capital, Sidewinders and Mesa all VERY CLOSE Elite- level teams.

That's rich.

So tell me what these scores mean:

Madlax Capital 3 Sidewinders 3
Sidewinders 6 Bethesda 5
Sidewinders 5 VLC 2
Mesa 11 Bethesda Blue 3
Mesa 11 VLC 4
Madlax Capital 8 Mesa 3

It means your son had a bad experience in MadLax and you can't get go!

Or someone was just pointing out that those scores are all very close. Jury’s still out on these 3 teams, but I think it’s fair to say they are comparable teams based upon the scores yesterday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax Capital, Sidewinders and Mesa all VERY CLOSE Elite- level teams.

That's rich.

So tell me what these scores mean:

Madlax Capital 3 Sidewinders 3
Sidewinders 6 Bethesda 5
Sidewinders 5 VLC 2
Mesa 11 Bethesda Blue 3
Mesa 11 VLC 4
Madlax Capital 8 Mesa 3

It means Madlax got significantly worse because their new coach drove away about 8 families. It means Sidewinders got a little better with the addition of a few Hawks 2nd stringers. It means BLC got better with some Next Level and Madlax additions. VLC is still 2nd tier.

Both Bethesda and VLC beat the Predators by 2 scoring late to seal the deal. But the games were back and forth and not decided until the final minute. Not sure if that is good for the Predators or bad for the others.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax Capital, Sidewinders and Mesa all VERY CLOSE Elite- level teams.

That's rich.

So tell me what these scores mean:

Madlax Capital 3 Sidewinders 3
Sidewinders 6 Bethesda 5
Sidewinders 5 VLC 2
Mesa 11 Bethesda Blue 3
Mesa 11 VLC 4
Madlax Capital 8 Mesa 3

It means your son had a bad experience in MadLax and you can't get go!

Or someone was just pointing out that those scores are all very close. Jury’s still out on these 3 teams, but I think it’s fair to say they are comparable teams based upon the scores yesterday.

None of those teams, except for Madlax, are elite. If Madlax really lost a bunch of players then what you have is nothing more than a AAA/AA play day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It means your son had a bad experience in MadLax and you can't get go!

Or someone was just pointing out that those scores are all very close. Jury’s still out on these 3 teams, but I think it’s fair to say they are comparable teams based upon the scores yesterday.

None of those teams, except for Madlax, are elite. If Madlax really lost a bunch of players then what you have is nothing more than a AAA/AA play day.

Madlax didn't lose any players of significance. The entire starting team returns. And we had a full roster yesterday except for the Sidewinders game. We had a few kids who left early for soccer. Sidewinders played good and we didn't play as good as we should have. Hats off to them. It was a fun day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So your saying because one person reclassed they got kicked out. Wow youth sports. I had not heard of nationals and looked them up on USClub. Looks like they have been around and playing together for 2 years (not some quick all star team) Also according to site played 27 games last year. More then most regional clubs. Maybe the kids play for Nationals and guest play for teams like Hawks, team 91, NL, and crabs......Was any reason given why they got kicked out other then winning?!?!? A national team can't play against other National teams because they are a National team. hmmmm

There are multiple kids that are holdbacks on that team.

What is a "M.O."?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax Capital, Sidewinders and Mesa all VERY CLOSE Elite- level teams.

That's rich.

So tell me what these scores mean:

Madlax Capital 3 Sidewinders 3
Sidewinders 6 Bethesda 5
Sidewinders 5 VLC 2
Mesa 11 Bethesda Blue 3
Mesa 11 VLC 4
Madlax Capital 8 Mesa 3

It means Madlax got significantly worse because their new coach drove away about 8 families. It means Sidewinders got a little better with the addition of a few Hawks 2nd stringers. It means BLC got better with some Next Level and Madlax additions. VLC is still 2nd tier.

Both Bethesda and VLC beat the Predators by 2 scoring late to seal the deal. But the games were back and forth and not decided until the final minute. Not sure if that is good for the Predators or bad for the others.

Good for all teams. Teams will be stronger next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax Capital, Sidewinders and Mesa all VERY CLOSE Elite- level teams.

That's rich.

So tell me what these scores mean:

Madlax Capital 3 Sidewinders 3
Sidewinders 6 Bethesda 5
Sidewinders 5 VLC 2
Mesa 11 Bethesda Blue 3
Mesa 11 VLC 4
Madlax Capital 8 Mesa 3

It means Madlax got significantly worse because their new coach drove away about 8 families. It means Sidewinders got a little better with the addition of a few Hawks 2nd stringers. It means BLC got better with some Next Level and Madlax additions. VLC is still 2nd tier.

Both Bethesda and VLC beat the Predators by 2 scoring late to seal the deal. But the games were back and forth and not decided until the final minute. Not sure if that is good for the Predators or bad for the others.

Good for all teams. Teams will be stronger next year.

+1

Saw a couple of these games waiting for my son to play. The games were played hard and nice sportsnamship by kids and parents on the sidelines. Bravo all. It was a good weekend of competitive lax for the '27 teams.The tourney was a well-run, low-key, fun event. Scorekeepers at every game. Refs were...refs.

No BS trophies or food vendors. It was all about the kids and fall lax. Good event. Hope we go back next year.

What tournaments do we have this weekend?

MDLX tourney in Poolesville, MD.
Crabs, FCA, MadLax, Predators, etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MDLX tourney in Poolesville, MD.
Crabs, FCA, MadLax, Predators, etc.

No FCA; Preds playing where they should in 27/28 division; Crabs only going for one day; Crabs and ML not playing each other; southern teams coming up are good but not top teams last year. Madlax would easily beat these teams last year but they had a lot of kids leave. Crabs got better with a bunch of FCA and maybe a couple of others.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MDLX tourney in Poolesville, MD.
Crabs, FCA, MadLax, Predators, etc.

No FCA; Preds playing where they should in 27/28 division; Crabs only going for one day; Crabs and ML not playing each other; southern teams coming up are good but not top teams last year. Madlax would easily beat these teams last year but they had a lot of kids leave. Crabs got better with a bunch of FCA and maybe a couple of others.

FCA doesn’t want to get embarrassed this early in the year. They are not going to be good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax Capital, Sidewinders and Mesa all VERY CLOSE Elite- level teams.

That's rich.

So tell me what these scores mean:

Madlax Capital 3 Sidewinders 3
Sidewinders 6 Bethesda 5
Sidewinders 5 VLC 2
Mesa 11 Bethesda Blue 3
Mesa 11 VLC 4
Madlax Capital 8 Mesa 3

It means Madlax got significantly worse because their new coach drove away about 8 families. It means Sidewinders got a little better with the addition of a few Hawks 2nd stringers. It means BLC got better with some Next Level and Madlax additions. VLC is still 2nd tier

Both Bethesda and VLC beat the Predators by 2 scoring late to seal the deal. But the games were back and forth and not decided until the final minute. Not sure if that is good for the Predators or bad for the others.

Good for all teams. Teams will be stronger next year.

+1

Saw a couple of these games waiting for my son to play. The games were played hard and nice sportsnamship by kids and parents on the sidelines. Bravo all. It was a good weekend of competitive lax for the '27 teams.The tourney was a well-run, low-key, fun event. Scorekeepers at every game. Refs were...refs.

No BS trophies or food vendors. It was all about the kids and fall lax. Good event. Hope we go back next year.

That isnt good to hear. Going to make for some boring banter here. We might actually have to talk about how well these young guys play.

Tough to tell because so many teams were missing players or had kids playing out of position/scheme. Some teams were playing backup goalies. Some were playing LSMs at close, vice versa. Middies playing attack, letting lots of kids try faceoffs,etc. The games were mostly competitive, the kids played hard and seemed to have fun, which was good. My favorite part was seeing many of the kids from different teams talking and playing catch between games, and trading snacks.

Safe to say the 2027 crabs reboot hasn’t worked so far. They apparently looked very rough this weekend. FCA kids ain’t helping. 2027 FCA also going to be decimated. Annapolis Hawks put it on em (for about the 10th time.)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Safe to say the 2027 crabs reboot hasn’t worked so far. They apparently looked very rough this weekend. FCA kids ain’t helping. 2027 FCA also going to be decimated. Annapolis Hawks put it on em (for about the 10th time.)

The Hawks had to add some holdbacks. That’s not the same mediocre team that we saw last summer.

I actually missed the food vendors. Hmmmm

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I actually missed the food vendors. Hmmmm

I didn't. It was just about lacrosse. The way it should be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Safe to say the 2027 crabs reboot hasn’t worked so far. They apparently looked very rough this weekend. FCA kids ain’t helping. 2027 FCA also going to be decimated. Annapolis Hawks put it on em (for about the 10th time.)

The Hawks had to add some holdbacks. That’s not the same mediocre team that we saw last summer.

Yeah, 2027 Hawks look HUGE. Definitely some holdbacks. They are going to be a problem.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Safe to say the 2027 crabs reboot hasn’t worked so far. They apparently looked very rough this weekend. FCA kids ain’t helping. 2027 FCA also going to be decimated. Annapolis Hawks put it on em (for about the 10th time.)

Yup, YOU know what you're talking about.

And this goes for ALL the teams who have played so far:

They are 12 year old kids? Yes?
You saw them in person? No?
It was their first tournament together? Yes?
They had just 4 practices? Yes?
They had a handful of contributors missing? Yes?

Mediocre Hawks team? They lost a handful of games in all of 2021 and suddenly they are mediocre. I'd love my kid to be considered so mediocre. Crabs reboot doesn't help adding the same talent level FCA roster to theirs. It's not like they added the best of FCA, just a bunch of FCA. FCA was very competitive last year after NL, ML and Hawks. Let's see how this weekend goes but losing a bunch and not adding anything will most likely hurt.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Safe to say the 2027 crabs reboot hasn’t worked so far. They apparently looked very rough this weekend. FCA kids ain’t helping. 2027 FCA also going to be decimated. Annapolis Hawks put it on em (for about the 10th time.)

Yup, YOU know what you're talking about.

And this goes for ALL the teams who have played so far:

They are 12 year old kids? Yes?
You saw them in person? No?
It was their first tournament together? Yes?
They had just 4 practices? Yes?
They had a handful of contributors missing? Yes?

Excuses excuses

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Safe to say the 2027 crabs reboot hasn’t worked so far. They apparently looked very rough this weekend. FCA kids ain’t helping. 2027 FCA also going to be decimated. Annapolis Hawks put it on em (for about the 10th time.)

Yup, YOU know what you're talking about.

And this goes for ALL the teams who have played so far:

They are 12 year old kids? Yes?
You saw them in person? No?
It was their first tournament together? Yes?
They had just 4 practices? Yes?
They had a handful of contributors missing? Yes?

Attitude like that will not get it done for D1 future recruits. D2 or D3 is the best you can hope for.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Safe to say the 2027 crabs reboot hasn’t worked so far. They apparently looked very rough this weekend. FCA kids ain’t helping. 2027 FCA also going to be decimated. Annapolis Hawks put it on em (for about the 10th time.)

Yup, YOU know what you're talking about.

And this goes for ALL the teams who have played so far:

They are 12 year old kids? Yes?
You saw them in person? No?
It was their first tournament together? Yes?
They had just 4 practices? Yes?
They had a handful of contributors missing? Yes?

Attitude like that will not get it done for D1 future recruits. D2 or D3 is the best you can hope for.

The Crabs team has tons of 13s, not 12. just not good enough.

Someone said it…..

What happened to Nationals at NXT Harvest Classic? No show?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Safe to say the 2027 crabs reboot hasn’t worked so far. They apparently looked very rough this weekend. FCA kids ain’t helping. 2027 FCA also going to be decimated. Annapolis Hawks put it on em (for about the 10th time.)

FALSE.
Crabs beat Zingos this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to Nationals at NXT Harvest Classic? No show?

probably directing all the resources and energy into the suit. That is a serious payday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Safe to say the 2027 crabs reboot hasn’t worked so far. They apparently looked very rough this weekend. FCA kids ain’t helping. 2027 FCA also going to be decimated. Annapolis Hawks put it on em (for about the 10th time.)

FALSE.
Crabs beat Zingos this weekend.

I see them parlaying that big win into a HoCo championship and #1 ranking

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Safe to say the 2027 crabs reboot hasn’t worked so far. They apparently looked very rough this weekend. FCA kids ain’t helping. 2027 FCA also going to be decimated. Annapolis Hawks put it on em (for about the 10th time.)

FALSE.
Crabs beat Zingos this weekend.

ooooo. There's a result to crow about. Buwahhhhhhhh!

I think that was the point unless you are the same person replying to yourself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Safe to say the 2027 crabs reboot hasn’t worked so far. They apparently looked very rough this weekend. FCA kids ain’t helping. 2027 FCA also going to be decimated. Annapolis Hawks put it on em (for about the 10th time.)

FALSE.
Crabs beat Zingos this weekend.

ooooo. There's a result to crow about. Buwahhhhhhhh!

Zingos Black 5-2 in AAA last Spring, no reason to detest on them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Safe to say the 2027 crabs reboot hasn’t worked so far. They apparently looked very rough this weekend. FCA kids ain’t helping. 2027 FCA also going to be decimated. Annapolis Hawks put it on em (for about the 10th time.)

FALSE.
Crabs beat Zingos this weekend.

ooooo. There's a result to crow about. Buwahhhhhhhh!

Zingos Black 5-2 in AAA last Spring, no reason to detest on them.

The Zingos looking better and beat Richmond Hawks. Is True Annapolis Green going elite? I saw them playing in A, not double AA in a recent tournament.

Either True Green or Zingos Black will move up to Elite and Sidewinders Black will come down to AAA. My guess is Ricky will make the final decision. Both of those teams will struggle in Elite and will most likely end up going 1-5.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Either True Green or Zingos Black will move up to Elite and Sidewinders Black will come down to AAA. My guess is Ricky will make the final decision. Both of those teams will struggle in Elite and will most likely end up going 1-5.

Zingos could get something going with more time. After the huge turnout for True nap tryouts doesn't look like they have much to show yet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Either True Green or Zingos Black will move up to Elite and Sidewinders Black will come down to AAA. My guess is Ricky will make the final decision. Both of those teams will struggle in Elite and will most likely end up going 1-5.

Zingos could get something going with more time. After the huge turnout for True nap tryouts doesn't look like they have much to show yet.

Now that the former Zingos '25 coach moved down to the '27s, he'll ruin that team just like he did the 25's. Talk about about an egomaniac...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Either True Green or Zingos Black will move up to Elite and Sidewinders Black will come down to AAA. My guess is Ricky will make the final decision. Both of those teams will struggle in Elite and will most likely end up going 1-5.

Zingos could get something going with more time. After the huge turnout for True nap tryouts doesn't look like they have much to show yet.

Now that the former Zingos '25 coach moved down to the '27s, he'll ruin that team just like he did the 25's. Talk about about an egomaniac...

Did you get the Zingo's coach mixed up with the Madlax 27 coach?

Anyone watch any of the 2027A games at Fall Brawl? Thoughts?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Safe to say the 2027 crabs reboot hasn’t worked so far. They apparently looked very rough this weekend. FCA kids ain’t helping. 2027 FCA also going to be decimated. Annapolis Hawks put it on em (for about the 10th time.)

FALSE.
Crabs beat Zingos this weekend.

Zingos, thats a low blow.

Hawks going to win the NAL this weekend?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks going to win the NAL this weekend?

Yes, not even close.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks going to win the NAL this weekend?

Yes, not even close.

They gotta get out of their pool first. Wouldnt be surprised if someone in their pool beat them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks going to win the NAL this weekend?

Yes, not even close.

They gotta get out of their pool first. Wouldnt be surprised if someone in their pool beat them.

They are mediocre at best.

Other than Hawks, who are the teams in NAL coming in cocky?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks going to win the NAL this weekend?

Yes, not even close.

They gotta get out of their pool first. Wouldnt be surprised if someone in their pool beat them.

They are mediocre at best.

Hey Hawks parent. Do a little research. Hawks arent the only team that added players in the off-season. Hawks are about to walk into a hornets nest

Mad Dog National is slated to play in both NAL and a play day in MD on the same day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks going to win the NAL this weekend?

Yes, not even close.

They gotta get out of their pool first. Wouldnt be surprised if someone in their pool beat them.

They could lose and still get out. Mad Dog is playing on Sunday somewhere else. Also, this is not the elite BBL team but their regular squad. Express lost a couple a few weeks ago to good but not really good teams like the Hawks.

Why isn't Madlax playing both days of NAL?

Whoops. Didn't realize it was a 1 day tourney with A and B pools.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks going to win the NAL this weekend?

No, Will be in lost Bracket by day end. Hawks have been coming up short laretly and the slow descent to bottom is ongoing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks going to win the NAL this weekend?

Yes, not even close.

That aged well

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks going to win the NAL this weekend?

Yes, not even close.

They gotta get out of their pool first. Wouldnt be surprised if someone in their pool beat them.

They are mediocre at best.

Hey Hawks parent. Do a little research. Hawks arent the only team that added players in the off-season. Hawks are about to walk into a hornets nest

Sounds like they ran into several “hornets nests”!!!

Li Express 9
Hawks 3

BBL 5
Hawks 3

Mad Dog 10
Hawks 5

Not much offense, or defense for the Hawks.

Machine?

Congratulations to Co-Champions MadLax and Team 91!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks going to win the NAL this weekend?

Yes, not even close.

That aged well

Ha, yeah that was me. I wasn't there but have watched them play over the last 3 years. Hard to imagine that team only scoring 3 goals a game but it was starting to show up last year as the dad coach hasn't really developed the kids. NL and Madlax are showing the same things. The kids are over-coached and those teams are increasingly afraid to make mistakes rather instead of positive coaching.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congratulations to Co-Champions MadLax and Team 91!

Agreed. The A division Machine is the real deal and Madlax pretty good in the B division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congratulations to Co-Champions MadLax and Team 91!

Agreed. The A division Machine is the real deal and Madlax pretty good in the B division.

No A and B divisions at NAL.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congratulations to Co-Champions MadLax and Team 91!

Agreed. The A division Machine is the real deal and Madlax pretty good in the B division.

No A and B divisions at NAL.

Wow Madlax mom or kid. It's okay to win the B division. There is no doubt there were A and B pools. Madlax actually requested to be placed in the lower pool because they know the team is not as competitive as last year. The rankings aren't perfect but they are close enough.

Madlax 13 Team 91 1
Igloo 26 Hawks 4
Mesa 29 Mad Dog 10
Legacy Gators 38 Eclipse 12
NJ Express 50 LI Express 14
Prime Time 85 BBL 15
Leading Edge 149 Sweetlax Upstate 17
Express North Black No Ranking FCA 28

Avg Ranking 55 Avg Ranking 13
Median 38 Median 13

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congratulations to Co-Champions MadLax and Team 91!

Agreed. The A division Machine is the real deal and Madlax pretty good in the B division.

No A and B divisions at NAL.

Wow Madlax mom or kid. It's okay to win the B division. There is no doubt there were A and B pools. Madlax actually requested to be placed in the lower pool because they know the team is not as competitive as last year. The rankings aren't perfect but they are close enough.

Madlax 13 Team 91 1
Igloo 26 Hawks 4
Mesa 29 Mad Dog 10
Legacy Gators 38 Eclipse 12
NJ Express 50 LI Express 14
Prime Time 85 BBL 15
Leading Edge 149 Sweetlax Upstate 17
Express North Black No Ranking FCA 28

Avg Ranking 55 Avg Ranking 13
Median 38 Median 13

You're looking at old rankings my friend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks going to win the NAL this weekend?

Yes, not even close.

That aged well

Ha, yeah that was me. I wasn't there but have watched them play over the last 3 years. Hard to imagine that team only scoring 3 goals a game but it was starting to show up last year as the dad coach hasn't really developed the kids. NL and Madlax are showing the same things. The kids are over-coached and those teams are increasingly afraid to make mistakes rather instead of positive coaching.

2027 Hawks needs an entire new coaching staff. Embarrassingly bad. This team was destined for greatness, but losing the original coach to the 2028 team has proven to be fatal, while the 2028 squad is arguably the best in the country. Dad coaches with personal agendas have ruined such a good thing. The revolt almost happened last year, and it’s probably going to happen this year. Watch and see… this team will implode. Kinda sad actually… because this team has 4-5 legitimate STUDS that will be forces in HS and beyond. Just not the coaches kids….

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congratulations to Co-Champions MadLax and Team 91!

Agreed. The A division Machine is the real deal and Madlax pretty good in the B division.

No A and B divisions at NAL.

Wow Madlax mom or kid. It's okay to win the B division. There is no doubt there were A and B pools. Madlax actually requested to be placed in the lower pool because they know the team is not as competitive as last year. The rankings aren't perfect but they are close enough.

Madlax 13 Team 91 1
Igloo 26 Hawks 4
Mesa 29 Mad Dog 10
Legacy Gators 38 Eclipse 12
NJ Express 50 LI Express 14
Prime Time 85 BBL 15
Leading Edge 149 Sweetlax Upstate 17
Express North Black No Ranking FCA 28

Avg Ranking 55 Avg Ranking 13
Median 38 Median 13

You're looking at old rankings my friend.

What's your point? Are you really suggesting the teams on the left are somehow equal to the ones on the right?

I recognize these are last year's rankings but they are way more accurate than this year due to the number of games being played. The one exception being Madlax. They have really fallen off due to a number of players having left the roster. It is something like 6-8 players have left the team since the end of the spring season. That's exactly why they requested to be in the B pool.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congratulations to Co-Champions MadLax and Team 91!

Agreed. The A division Machine is the real deal and Madlax pretty good in the B division.

No A and B divisions at NAL.

Wow Madlax mom or kid. It's okay to win the B division. There is no doubt there were A and B pools. Madlax actually requested to be placed in the lower pool because they know the team is not as competitive as last year. The rankings aren't perfect but they are close enough.

Madlax 13 Team 91 1
Igloo 26 Hawks 4
Mesa 29 Mad Dog 10
Legacy Gators 38 Eclipse 12
NJ Express 50 LI Express 14
Prime Time 85 BBL 15
Leading Edge 149 Sweetlax Upstate 17
Express North Black No Ranking FCA 28

Avg Ranking 55 Avg Ranking 13
Median 38 Median 13

You're looking at old rankings my friend.

What's your point? Are you really suggesting the teams on the left are somehow equal to the ones on the right?

I recognize these are last year's rankings but they are way more accurate than this year due to the number of games being played. The one exception being Madlax. They have really fallen off due to a number of players having left the roster. It is something like 6-8 players have left the team since the end of the spring season. That's exactly why they requested to be in the B pool.

You have issues if you are this focused on a team that is not your son's own team. Best of luck working through them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks going to win the NAL this weekend?

Yes, not even close.

That aged well

Ha, yeah that was me. I wasn't there but have watched them play over the last 3 years. Hard to imagine that team only scoring 3 goals a game but it was starting to show up last year

as the dad coach hasn't really developed the kids. NL and Madlax are showing the same things. The kids are over-coached and those teams are increasingly afraid to make mistakes rather instead of positive coaching.

2027 Hawks needs an entire new coaching staff. Embarrassingly bad. This team was destined for greatness, but losing the original coach to the 2028 team has proven to be fatal, while the 2028 squad is arguably the best in the country. Dad coaches with personal agendas have ruined such a good thing. The revolt almost happened last year, and it’s probably going to happen this year. Watch and see… this team will implode. Kinda sad actually… because this team has 4-5 legitimate STUDS that will be forces in HS and beyond. Just not the coaches kids….

They have ~3 top level players, 2 if you focus on kids that aren’t 14. That’s not a recipe for a great team. Hawks coaching isn’t great, but Hawks don’t have enough players to compete consistently with the best in the country. You can not run an offense through 2-3 players against good teams. Good coaches will adjust and make you beat them with the other players (Express game). And the defense is not elite.

They weren’t competitive at NAL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks going to win the NAL this weekend?

Yes, not even close.

That aged well

Ha, yeah that was me. I wasn't there but have watched them play over the last 3 years. Hard to imagine that team only scoring 3 goals a game but it was starting to show up last year

as the dad coach hasn't really developed the kids. NL and Madlax are showing the same things. The kids are over-coached and those teams are increasingly afraid to make mistakes rather instead of positive coaching.

2027 Hawks needs an entire new coaching staff. Embarrassingly bad. This team was destined for greatness, but losing the original coach to the 2028 team has proven to be fatal, while the 2028 squad is arguably the best in the country. Dad coaches with personal agendas have ruined such a good thing. The revolt almost happened last year, and it’s probably going to happen this year. Watch and see… this team will implode. Kinda sad actually… because this team has 4-5 legitimate STUDS that will be forces in HS and beyond. Just not the coaches kids….

They have ~3 top level players, 2 if you focus on kids that aren’t 14. That’s not a recipe for a great team. Hawks coaching isn’t great, but Hawks don’t have enough players to compete consistently with the best in the country. You can not run an offense through 2-3 players against good teams. Good coaches will adjust and make you beat them with the other players (Express game). And the defense is not elite.

They weren’t competitive at NAL.

3rd,4th, 5th, 6th grade. Best around. 7th and 8th grade will be tough on them. End of an era…

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks going to win the NAL this weekend?

Yes, not even close.

That aged well

Ha, yeah that was me. I wasn't there but have watched them play over the last 3 years. Hard to imagine that team only scoring 3 goals a game but it was starting to show up last year as the dad coach hasn't really developed the kids. NL and Madlax are showing the same things. The kids are over-coached and those teams are increasingly afraid to make mistakes rather instead of positive coaching.

2027 Hawks needs an entire new coaching staff. Embarrassingly bad. This team was destined for greatness, but losing the original coach to the 2028 team has proven to be fatal, while the 2028 squad is arguably the best in the country. Dad coaches with personal agendas have ruined such a good thing. The revolt almost happened last year, and it’s probably going to happen this year. Watch and see… this team will implode. Kinda sad actually… because this team has 4-5 legitimate STUDS that will be forces in HS and beyond. Just not the coaches kids….

Over that time 6 players moved down to the 28s, 3 are actual 28s and 3 are 27 age. The former head coach is n assistant on the 28s now. This year a bunch of 28s tried out elsewhere and some actually left. I don’t think the coach is the only reason they were good. That 3rd grade team walked on the field as the best team anywhere on day one. They haven’t gotten better at the same rate as other teams and they don’t have many 26s filling the holes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks going to win the NAL this weekend?

Yes, not even close.

That aged well

Ha, yeah that was me. I wasn't there but have watched them play over the last 3 years. Hard to imagine that team only scoring 3 goals a game but it was starting to show up last year as the dad coach hasn't really developed the kids. NL and Madlax are showing the same things. The kids are over-coached and those teams are increasingly afraid to make mistakes rather instead of positive coaching.

2027 Hawks needs an entire new coaching staff. Embarrassingly bad. This team was destined for greatness, but losing the original coach to the 2028 team has proven to be fatal, while the 2028 squad is arguably the best in the country. Dad coaches with personal agendas have ruined such a good thing. The revolt almost happened last year, and it’s probably going to happen this year. Watch and see… this team will implode. Kinda sad actually… because this team has 4-5 legitimate STUDS that will be forces in HS and beyond. Just not the coaches kids….

Over that time 6 players moved down to the 28s, 3 are actual 28s and 3 are 27 age. The former head coach is n assistant on the 28s now. This year a bunch of 28s tried out elsewhere and some actually left. I don’t think the coach is the only reason they were good. That 3rd grade team walked on the field as the best team anywhere on day one. They haven’t gotten better at the same rate as other teams and they don’t have many 26s filling the holes.

Hogan was willing to allow losers on the team the sponsors demanded. And you see the results. lost players make losing results.

So the best players on the 2027 Hawks were the youngest? Come on, I've seen those players and they were just okay. Let that argument go.

The real reason is the 2nd part. The coach moved down to coach the 28's and the assistant coaches, all dads (and sponsors), took over the team. The team stopped moving the ball and allow 2 players to consistently dominate the ball with little movement. The ball no longer crosses midfield with any pace and everyone stands around watching the same midfield dodge or an x dodge. It's pretty easy to defend as other teams catch up physically.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the best players on the 2027 Hawks were the youngest? Come on, I've seen those players and they were just okay. Let that argument go.

The real reason is the 2nd part. The coach moved down to coach the 28's and the assistant coaches, all dads (and sponsors), took over the team. The team stopped moving the ball and allow 2 players to consistently dominate the ball with little movement. The ball no longer crosses midfield with any pace and everyone stands around watching the same midfield dodge or an x dodge. It's pretty easy to defend as other teams catch up physically.

New poster and I have very little knowledge of the Hawks. But I always thought they were a great team and sorry to see them falling apart, even thought it will be nice if my son's team can beat them for once. I heard that Matt Hogan sold the program recently - is the downhill slide related to that? And, why did he sell and who bought the program?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the best players on the 2027 Hawks were the youngest? Come on, I've seen those players and they were just okay. Let that argument go.

The real reason is the 2nd part. The coach moved down to coach the 28's and the assistant coaches, all dads (and sponsors), took over the team. The team stopped moving the ball and allow 2 players to consistently dominate the ball with little movement. The ball no longer crosses midfield with any pace and everyone stands around watching the same midfield dodge or an x dodge. It's pretty easy to defend as other teams catch up physically.

No, best players on that team were not 28s, but they did contribute. When you lose 6 players and don’t replace them with better 27s or 26s and don’t develop the ones you have at the same pace as other teams you get caught.

They started day one of 3rd grade as #1, the old coach didn’t hurt, but they aren’t replacing talent at the same rate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the best players on the 2027 Hawks were the youngest? Come on, I've seen those players and they were just okay. Let that argument go.

The real reason is the 2nd part. The coach moved down to coach the 28's and the assistant coaches, all dads (and sponsors), took over the team. The team stopped moving the ball and allow 2 players to consistently dominate the ball with little movement. The ball no longer crosses midfield with any pace and everyone stands around watching the same midfield dodge or an x dodge. It's pretty easy to defend as other teams catch up physically.

No, best players on that team were not 28s, but they did contribute. When you lose 6 players and don’t replace them with better 27s or 26s and don’t develop the ones you have at the same pace as other teams you get caught.

They started day one of 3rd grade as #1, the old coach didn’t hurt, but they aren’t replacing talent at the same rate.

Peaked at 3rd grade. Life Journey will be a tough road from here out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the best players on the 2027 Hawks were the youngest? Come on, I've seen those players and they were just okay. Let that argument go.

The real reason is the 2nd part. The coach moved down to coach the 28's and the assistant coaches, all dads (and sponsors), took over the team. The team stopped moving the ball and allow 2 players to consistently dominate the ball with little movement. The ball no longer crosses midfield with any pace and everyone stands around watching the same midfield dodge or an x dodge. It's pretty easy to defend as other teams catch up physically.

No, best players on that team were not 28s, but they did contribute. When you lose 6 players and don’t replace them with better 27s or 26s and don’t develop the ones you have at the same pace as other teams you get caught.

They started day one of 3rd grade as #1, the old coach didn’t hurt, but they aren’t replacing talent at the same rate.

Peaked at 3rd grade. Life Journey will be a tough road from here out.

Especially with Hawk style parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the best players on the 2027 Hawks were the youngest? Come on, I've seen those players and they were just okay. Let that argument go.

The real reason is the 2nd part. The coach moved down to coach the 28's and the assistant coaches, all dads (and sponsors), took over the team. The team stopped moving the ball and allow 2 players to consistently dominate the ball with little movement. The ball no longer crosses midfield with any pace and everyone stands around watching the same midfield dodge or an x dodge. It's pretty easy to defend as other teams catch up physically.

No, best players on that team were not 28s, but they did contribute. When you lose 6 players and don’t replace them with better 27s or 26s and don’t develop the ones you have at the same pace as other teams you get caught.

They started day one of 3rd grade as #1, the old coach didn’t hurt, but they aren’t replacing talent at the same rate.

Peaked at 3rd grade. Life Journey will be a tough road from here out.

Drama… those kids are all still good lacrosse players, just not wearing the same jersey on the same team. There are 2 who are not playing anymore who were very good who are no longer playing. That’s the only sad part.

Looking at the gray area- the split between AAA and Elite last year, it will be interesting to see where some of these teams land in the spring. Could True Annapolis move up to Elite? VLC? Mesa? Who did Team MD play this fall? And the question sweeping the nation- If not in the PLL, where do the Preds end up?

Elite
Annapolis Hawks 7-0
Madlax Capital 6-1
Next Level 5-2
FCA 4-3
Crabs 3-4
Team 91 1-5
Team Maryland White 1-6
Sidewinders 0-6

AAA
True Annapolis Green 7-0
MESA 6-1
Zingos Black 5-2
VLC 4-3
True KP 2-5
Kooper's 2-5
BLC Blue 2-5
Looney's 0-7

Some very interesting fall scores:

BLC 5
Predators 3

Sidewinders 6
BLC 5

Koopers 4
VLC 9

Sidewinders MD 2
VLC 5

Predators 6
VLC 8

Mesa 11
VLC 4

Madlax Cap 7
Predators 0

WCS Gold 9
True Annapolis 3

Team 91 GA 8
True Annapolis 5

Sidewinders 3
Madlax Cap 3

Sidewinders 3
Crabs 9

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the best players on the 2027 Hawks were the youngest? Come on, I've seen those players and they were just okay. Let that argument go.

The real reason is the 2nd part. The coach moved down to coach the 28's and the assistant coaches, all dads (and sponsors), took over the team. The team stopped moving the ball and allow 2 players to consistently dominate the ball with little movement. The ball no longer crosses midfield with any pace and everyone stands around watching the same midfield dodge or an x dodge. It's pretty easy to defend as other teams catch up physically.

No, best players on that team were not 28s, but they did contribute. When you lose 6 players and don’t replace them with better 27s or 26s and don’t develop the ones you have at the same pace as other teams you get caught.

They started day one of 3rd grade as #1, the old coach didn’t hurt, but they aren’t replacing talent at the same rate.

Peaked at 3rd grade. Life Journey will be a tough road from here out.

Drama… those kids are all still good lacrosse players, just not wearing the same jersey on the same team. There are 2 who are not playing anymore who were very good who are no longer playing. That’s the only sad part.

The parent coaching style is great when the coach cares about all the kids. Unfortunately at many age levels it has become a showcase for a few of the coaches kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the best players on the 2027 Hawks were the youngest? Come on, I've seen those players and they were just okay. Let that argument go.

The real reason is the 2nd part. The coach moved down to coach the 28's and the assistant coaches, all dads (and sponsors), took over the team. The team stopped moving the ball and allow 2 players to consistently dominate the ball with little movement. The ball no longer crosses midfield with any pace and everyone stands around watching the same midfield dodge or an x dodge. It's pretty easy to defend as other teams catch up physically.

No, best players on that team were not 28s, but they did contribute. When you lose 6 players and don’t replace them with better 27s or 26s and don’t develop the ones you have at the same pace as other teams you get caught.

They started day one of 3rd grade as #1, the old coach didn’t hurt, but they aren’t replacing talent at the same rate.

When looking at this team and how they are currently coached, what parent would want to add their kid to it. The showcase is 2 players and the rest stand around. There's a reason why parents make choices to move kids. The bottom of the roster moves to get more time and the better parents move their kids to see the ball a little more. The team could have lost even more players during the tryout period. Those decisions will get a little easier as Hogan moves further away and the current coaching system stays in place.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the best players on the 2027 Hawks were the youngest? Come on, I've seen those players and they were just okay. Let that argument go.

The real reason is the 2nd part. The coach moved down to coach the 28's and the assistant coaches, all dads (and sponsors), took over the team. The team stopped moving the ball and allow 2 players to consistently dominate the ball with little movement. The ball no longer crosses midfield with any pace and everyone stands around watching the same midfield dodge or an x dodge. It's pretty easy to defend as other teams catch up physically.

No, best players on that team were not 28s, but they did contribute. When you lose 6 players and don’t replace them with better 27s or 26s and don’t develop the ones you have at the same pace as other teams you get caught.

They started day one of 3rd grade as #1, the old coach didn’t hurt, but they aren’t replacing talent at the same rate.

When looking at this team and how they are currently coached, what parent would want to add their kid to it. The showcase is 2 players and the rest stand around. There's a reason why parents make choices to move kids. The bottom of the roster moves to get more time and the better parents move their kids to see the ball a little more. The team could have lost even more players during the tryout period. Those decisions will get a little easier as Hogan moves further away and the current coaching system stays in place.

https://threestep.com/

They bought Hogan and Hawks brand. 3D Annapolis coming soon

Don't know how much longer they will be keeping the dad coaches. This seems like a True, Madlax, Nationals situation running at the corporate level. But I bet there will be comments that it is different then all of them

https://threestep.com/

They bought Hogan and Hawks brand. 3D Annapolis coming soon

Don't know how much longer they will be keeping the dad coaches. This seems like a True, Madlax, Nationals situation running at the corporate level. But I bet there will be comments that it is different then all of them[quote]

Let's take Madlax out of the above. Cabel fully embraces dad coaches to reduce his costs. The de facto head coach of the ML 2027's is a dad and bringing the worst of that situation to the team. The same thing is going on with us as what seems to be happening at Hawks.

I don't have a dog in this fight. However, I've seen most of these teams play? Who exactly is going Beat the Hawks in Hoco?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the best players on the 2027 Hawks were the youngest? Come on, I've seen those players and they were just okay. Let that argument go.

The real reason is the 2nd part. The coach moved down to coach the 28's and the assistant coaches, all dads (and sponsors), took over the team. The team stopped moving the ball and allow 2 players to consistently dominate the ball with little movement. The ball no longer crosses midfield with any pace and everyone stands around watching the same midfield dodge or an x dodge. It's pretty easy to defend as other teams catch up physically.

No, best players on that team were not 28s, but they did contribute. When you lose 6 players and don’t replace them with better 27s or 26s and don’t develop the ones you have at the same pace as other teams you get caught.

They started day one of 3rd grade as #1, the old coach didn’t hurt, but they aren’t replacing talent at the same rate.

Peaked at 3rd grade. Life Journey will be a tough road from here out.

Drama… those kids are all still good lacrosse players, just not wearing the same jersey on the same team. There are 2 who are not playing anymore who were very good who are no longer playing. That’s the only sad part.

The parent coaching style is great when the coach cares about all the kids. Unfortunately at many age levels it has become a showcase for a few of the coaches kids.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

https://threestep.com/

They bought Hogan and Hawks brand. 3D Annapolis coming soon

Don't know how much longer they will be keeping the dad coaches. This seems like a True, Madlax, Nationals situation running at the corporate level. But I bet there will be comments that it is different then all of them[quote]

Let's take Madlax out of the above. Cabel fully embraces dad coaches to reduce his costs. The de facto head coach of the ML 2027's is a dad and bringing the worst of that situation to the team. The same thing is going on with us as what seems to be happening at Hawks.

Hogan is amazing, as he moves further away the club will decline. They are probably the #1 local club in the country and there is nowhere to go but down.

If you don’t think his contacts are what makes the program run you’re nuts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't have a dog in this fight. However, I've seen most of these teams play? Who exactly is going Beat the Hawks in Hoco?

Very good question. MadLax and NextLevel will be licking their chops, but they have their own growing pains, and both typically choke against the Hawks, so spring 2022 is anybody's guess. But by spring of 2023, Crabs and MadLax will have loaded up with holdbacks, and DC Express (now BLC) will have picked up players from NL, ML, and Hawks. So if the rumors of Hawks demise are true, they will get rolled in 8th grade by at least four teams, MadLax, NextLevel, Crabs, and DC Express, plus maybe others.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't have a dog in this fight. However, I've seen most of these teams play? Who exactly is going Beat the Hawks in Hoco?

Easy....Predators !! Talk of Baltimore and some select PLL teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at the gray area- the split between AAA and Elite last year, it will be interesting to see where some of these teams land in the spring. Could True Annapolis move up to Elite? VLC? Mesa? Who did Team MD play this fall? And the question sweeping the nation- If not in the PLL, where do the Preds end up?

Elite
Annapolis Hawks 7-0
Madlax Capital 6-1
Next Level 5-2
FCA 4-3
Crabs 3-4
Team 91 1-5
Team Maryland White 1-6
Sidewinders 0-6

AAA
True Annapolis Green 7-0
MESA 6-1
Zingos Black 5-2
VLC 4-3
True KP 2-5
Kooper's 2-5
BLC Blue 2-5
Looney's 0-7

Some very interesting fall scores:

BLC 5
Predators 3

Sidewinders 6
BLC 5

Koopers 4
VLC 9

Sidewinders MD 2
VLC 5

Predators 6
VLC 8

Mesa 11
VLC 4

Madlax Cap 7
Predators 0

WCS Gold 9
True Annapolis 3

Team 91 GA 8
True Annapolis 5

Sidewinders 3
Madlax Cap 3

Sidewinders 3
Crabs 9

Scores were all over the place, Fall ball is fall ball. Usually the farther a team travels the better they are in fall. Spring will tell for many, and pretenders not Predators will fall to wayside,

And YES ! The big question is what the Predators decide to do. So much talk swirling around land of lacrosse about the Preds. PLL in fear of getting beat, has banned them. That is big news .

My guess they end up at AAA and do well. : )

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the best players on the 2027 Hawks were the youngest? Come on, I've seen those players and they were just okay. Let that argument go.

The real reason is the 2nd part. The coach moved down to coach the 28's and the assistant coaches, all dads (and sponsors), took over the team. The team stopped moving the ball and allow 2 players to consistently dominate the ball with little movement. The ball no longer crosses midfield with any pace and everyone stands around watching the same midfield dodge or an x dodge. It's pretty easy to defend as other teams catch up physically.

No, best players on that team were not 28s, but they did contribute. When you lose 6 players and don’t replace them with better 27s or 26s and don’t develop the ones you have at the same pace as other teams you get caught.

They started day one of 3rd grade as #1, the old coach didn’t hurt, but they aren’t replacing talent at the same rate.

When looking at this team and how they are currently coached, what parent would want to add their kid to it. The showcase is 2 players and the rest stand around. There's a reason why parents make choices to move kids. The bottom of the roster moves to get more time and the better parents move their kids to see the ball a little more. The team could have lost even more players during the tryout period. Those decisions will get a little easier as Hogan moves further away and the current coaching system stays in place.

Wow…. You are obviously a disgruntled 27 Hawks parent. You need to stop with the drama. If you aren’t happy with the current situation, just move on.
Signed - an offended parent of one of the two kids you targeted in your post.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't have a dog in this fight. However, I've seen most of these teams play? Who exactly is going Beat the Hawks in Hoco?

Possibly Next Level but no one else.

2027 Hawks have lost 6-8 kids over time, and basically only replaced 1-2 of them. There are about 4-5 kids on that roster that are B team players at best and need to move on. They’d be better at Say, True. Daddy ball is rampant and all 3 dad coaches AND their kids need to find new teams.

The Hawks flat out refuse to recruit at this age group, largely because the daddy coaches are afraid to have their kids lose their spot, because it wouldn’t take much. 4 straight HOCO championships, and this will prob be the year they fail. Sad to see such a great team ruined by crappy daddy ball.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the best players on the 2027 Hawks were the youngest? Come on, I've seen those players and they were just okay. Let that argument go.

The real reason is the 2nd part. The coach moved down to coach the 28's and the assistant coaches, all dads (and sponsors), took over the team. The team stopped moving the ball and allow 2 players to consistently dominate the ball with little movement. The ball no longer crosses midfield with any pace and everyone stands around watching the same midfield dodge or an x dodge. It's pretty easy to defend as other teams catch up physically.

No, best players on that team were not 28s, but they did contribute. When you lose 6 players and don’t replace them with better 27s or 26s and don’t develop the ones you have at the same pace as other teams you get caught.

They started day one of 3rd grade as #1, the old coach didn’t hurt, but they aren’t replacing talent at the same rate.

When looking at this team and how they are currently coached, what parent would want to add their kid to it. The showcase is 2 players and the rest stand around. There's a reason why parents make choices to move kids. The bottom of the roster moves to get more time and the better parents move their kids to see the ball a little more. The team could have lost even more players during the tryout period. Those decisions will get a little easier as Hogan moves further away and the current coaching system stays in place.

Wow…. You are obviously a disgruntled 27 Hawks parent. You need to stop with the drama. If you aren’t happy with the current situation, just move on.
Signed - an offended parent of one of the two kids you targeted in your post.

Looks like you just turned up the drama a couple of notches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the best players on the 2027 Hawks were the youngest? Come on, I've seen those players and they were just okay. Let that argument go.

The real reason is the 2nd part. The coach moved down to coach the 28's and the assistant coaches, all dads (and sponsors), took over the team. The team stopped moving the ball and allow 2 players to consistently dominate the ball with little movement. The ball no longer crosses midfield with any pace and everyone stands around watching the same midfield dodge or an x dodge. It's pretty easy to defend as other teams catch up physically.

No, best players on that team were not 28s, but they did contribute. When you lose 6 players and don’t replace them with better 27s or 26s and don’t develop the ones you have at the same pace as other teams you get caught.

They started day one of 3rd grade as #1, the old coach didn’t hurt, but they aren’t replacing talent at the same rate.

When looking at this team and how they are currently coached, what parent would want to add their kid to it. The showcase is 2 players and the rest stand around. There's a reason why parents make choices to move kids. The bottom of the roster moves to get more time and the better parents move their kids to see the ball a little more. The team could have lost even more players during the tryout period. Those decisions will get a little easier as Hogan moves further away and the current coaching system stays in place.

Wow…. You are obviously a disgruntled 27 Hawks parent. You need to stop with the drama. If you aren’t happy with the current situation, just move on.
Signed - an offended parent of one of the two kids you targeted in your post.

Pretty sure there’s only 1 legitimate stud on this roster, and 1 giant kid who will be too slow to play in hs, but his daddy will try his best.

When looking at this team and how they are currently coached, what parent would want to add their kid to it. The showcase is 2 players and the rest stand around. There's a reason why parents make choices to move kids. The bottom of the roster moves to get more time and the better parents move their kids to see the ball a little more. The team could have lost even more players during the tryout period. Those decisions will get a little easier as Hogan moves further away and the current coaching system stays in place.[/quote]

Wow…. You are obviously a disgruntled 27 Hawks parent. You need to stop with the drama. If you aren’t happy with the current situation, just move on.
Signed - an offended parent of one of the two kids you targeted in your post.[/quote]

It's not targeting the kids. It's not their fault. The team is worse and players are leaving because of how your husband coaches. It's a ton of fun for dad and the son, right now. It will still be okay during hoco but it will stink in summer 2022. 3d won't make any changes because they will love the $0 coaching but the play will continue to get worse and more of the key players will leave at the end of summer, maybe before.

Well I guess the parent parachuted in and confirmed that they run everything through 2 kids.

Weird flex? But ok

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well I guess the parent parachuted in and confirmed that they run everything through 2 kids.

Weird flex? But ok

You all are fools if you think any comments or responses came from a Hawks parent or coach. Maybe one parent of a kid who is inconsequential but nothing more. The rest of the comments are coming from trolls. Welcome to BOTC for those who don’t get it.

It is absolutely Hawks parents or kids responding. They love this board.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well I guess the parent parachuted in and confirmed that they run everything through 2 kids.

Weird flex? But ok

You all are fools if you think any comments or responses came from a Hawks parent or coach. Maybe one parent of a kid who is inconsequential but nothing more. The rest of the comments are coming from trolls. Welcome to BOTC for those who don’t get it.

Totally coming from Hawks parents. Confirmed in discussions with families who are looking for new teams. Nice try, though.

PS - it's classy how you call the kids "inconsequential."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Well I guess the parent parachuted in and confirmed that they run everything through 2 kids.

Weird flex? But ok

You all are fools if you think any comments or responses came from a Hawks parent or coach. Maybe one parent of a kid who is inconsequential but nothing more. The rest of the comments are coming from trolls. Welcome to BOTC for those who don’t get it.

Totally coming from Hawks parents. Confirmed in discussions with families who are looking for new teams. Nice try, though.

PS - it's classy how you call the kids "inconsequential."

This post reeks of 26 Hawks Dads. Go back to your own board.

What happened to FCA this year? Very poor performance thus far.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to FCA this year? Very poor performance thus far.

They’ve played in 1 tournament against very high level competition. Their team lost several players from last year and gained several new ones. Too early to tell. It’s fall- means nothing. Calm down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well I guess the parent parachuted in and confirmed that they run everything through 2 kids.

Weird flex? But ok

You all are fools if you think any comments or responses came from a Hawks parent or coach. Maybe one parent of a kid who is inconsequential but nothing more. The rest of the comments are coming from trolls. Welcome to BOTC for those who don’t get it.

Totally coming from Hawks parents. Confirmed in discussions with families who are looking for new teams. Nice try, though.

PS - it's classy how you call the kids "inconsequential."

Out of alllllll of the trash that people anonymously write on this page and THIS comment is the one that bothers you? Calling kids inconsequential is rated G compared to 90% of the comments that these Trolls spew. There isn’t a classy person on this entire forum- aside from me of course.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to FCA this year? Very poor performance thus far.

They’ve played in 1 tournament against very high level competition. Their team lost several players from last year and gained several new ones. Too early to tell. It’s fall- means nothing. Calm down.

Because that giant guy and his below average goalie bailed on that team and took a bunch of kids with him

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to FCA this year? Very poor performance thus far.

They’ve played in 1 tournament against very high level competition. Their team lost several players from last year and gained several new ones. Too early to tell. It’s fall- means nothing. Calm down.

Because that giant guy and his below average goalie bailed on that team and took a bunch of kids with him

Ahhhh there he is! Get some new material.

I think FCA will be fine. They won’t come close to the top of the pack in HOCO, but they’ve got some good players.

Who’s playing this weekend? Do Hawks have any more fallball?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who’s playing this weekend? Do Hawks have any more fallball?

Hawks do not. Thankfully.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who’s playing this weekend? Do Hawks have any more fallball?

Team MD and FCA play this weekend in PA

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who’s playing this weekend? Do Hawks have any more fallball?

Hawks do not. Thankfully.

I didn't realize Hawks' teams only play two tournaments in the fall. And why does Tourney Machine take down Hogan tournaments so fast? Do tournaments have to pay extra $ to keep it up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well I guess the parent parachuted in and confirmed that they run everything through 2 kids.

Weird flex? But ok

You all are fools if you think any comments or responses came from a Hawks parent or coach. Maybe one parent of a kid who is inconsequential but nothing more. The rest of the comments are coming from trolls. Welcome to BOTC for those who don’t get it.

Totally coming from Hawks parents. Confirmed in discussions with families who are looking for new teams. Nice try, though.

PS - it's classy how you call the kids "inconsequential."

Out of alllllll of the trash that people anonymously write on this page and THIS comment is the one that bothers you? Calling kids inconsequential is rated G compared to 90% of the comments that these Trolls spew. There isn’t a classy person on this entire forum- aside from me of course.

The word "inconsequential" is bothersome precisely because is is NOT coming from a troll or a trash talker. It is an honest statement of how the Hawks' Dad coaches and two stud players view the remaining boys on the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to FCA this year? Very poor performance thus far.

They’ve played in 1 tournament against very high level competition. Their team lost several players from last year and gained several new ones. Too early to tell. It’s fall- means nothing. Calm down.

It didn't help FCA when Madlax forced the organizers to put FCA in the tougher bracket so they could drop down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to FCA this year? Very poor performance thus far.

They’ve played in 1 tournament against very high level competition. Their team lost several players from last year and gained several new ones. Too early to tell. It’s fall- means nothing. Calm down.

It didn't help FCA when Madlax forced the organizers to put FCA in the tougher bracket so they could drop down.

Is NAL a madlax tourney? How could they force the change otherwise? I do agree though that those 2 teams should have been switched .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well I guess the parent parachuted in and confirmed that they run everything through 2 kids.

Weird flex? But ok

You all are fools if you think any comments or responses came from a Hawks parent or coach. Maybe one parent of a kid who is inconsequential but nothing more. The rest of the comments are coming from trolls. Welcome to BOTC for those who don’t get it.

Totally coming from Hawks parents. Confirmed in discussions with families who are looking for new teams. Nice try, though.

PS - it's classy how you call the kids "inconsequential."

Out of alllllll of the trash that people anonymously write on this page and THIS comment is the one that bothers you? Calling kids inconsequential is rated G compared to 90% of the comments that these Trolls spew. There isn’t a classy person on this entire forum- aside from me of course.

The word "inconsequential" is bothersome precisely because is is NOT coming from a troll or a trash talker. It is an honest statement of how the Hawks' Dad coaches and two stud players view the remaining boys on the team.

Do you even know the 27 Hawks players and coaches? The parents are actually pretty tight knit. They get along just fine. You are definitely stirring the pot. Why? This is youth lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to FCA this year? Very poor performance thus far.

They’ve played in 1 tournament against very high level competition. Their team lost several players from last year and gained several new ones. Too early to tell. It’s fall- means nothing. Calm down.

It didn't help FCA when Madlax forced the organizers to put FCA in the tougher bracket so they could drop down.

Is NAL a madlax tourney? How could they force the change otherwise? I do agree though that those 2 teams should have been switched .

Yes, NAL is a tournament group founded by Madlax and the other members. Well known and right on the web site

There is too much personal info to not be coming from a Hawk parent. Everyone is tight knit until you get between mama bear and cub

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well I guess the parent parachuted in and confirmed that they run everything through 2 kids.

Weird flex? But ok

Yeah -- When you take your kids to personal trainers and hormone therapy instead of the library, you tend forget what irony is.

No there’s a troll from the shore that knows everything about the hawks .There wasn’t one peep about the hawks after they boat raced the crabs 3 weeks ago . Now mysteriously the topics to come up involve how bad the hawks and FCA played ????? Hmmmm. Every parent from the shore knows exactly who this is , the same one who was trolling the FO dad last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to FCA this year? Very poor performance thus far.

They’ve played in 1 tournament against very high level competition. Their team lost several players from last year and gained several new ones. Too early to tell. It’s fall- means nothing. Calm down.

It didn't help FCA when Madlax forced the organizers to put FCA in the tougher bracket so they could drop down.

Is NAL a madlax tourney? How could they force the change otherwise? I do agree though that those 2 teams should have been switched .

Yes, NAL is a tournament group founded by Madlax and the other members. Well known and right on the web site

Well then yes. This makes way more sense now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No there’s a troll from the shore that knows everything about the hawks .There wasn’t one peep about the hawks after they boat raced the crabs 3 weeks ago . Now mysteriously the topics to come up involve how bad the hawks and FCA played ????? Hmmmm. Every parent from the shore knows exactly who this is , the same one who was trolling the FO dad last year.

In all fairness- the Hawks are the team everyone loves to detest. Did you think their 0-3 run wouldn’t be mentioned on this board? Please. Too many hawk haters out there to not bathe in this glory!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to FCA this year? Very poor performance thus far.

They’ve played in 1 tournament against very high level competition. Their team lost several players from last year and gained several new ones. Too early to tell. It’s fall- means nothing. Calm down.

It didn't help FCA when Madlax forced the organizers to put FCA in the tougher bracket so they could drop down.

Is NAL a madlax tourney? How could they force the change otherwise? I do agree though that those 2 teams should have been switched .

Yes, NAL is a tournament group founded by Madlax and the other members. Well known and right on the web site

Anyone know what the deal is with Nationals suing Madlax over a tournament?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to FCA this year? Very poor performance thus far.

They’ve played in 1 tournament against very high level competition. Their team lost several players from last year and gained several new ones. Too early to tell. It’s fall- means nothing. Calm down.

It didn't help FCA when Madlax forced the organizers to put FCA in the tougher bracket so they could drop down.

Is NAL a madlax tourney? How could they force the change otherwise? I do agree though that those 2 teams should have been switched .

Yes, NAL is a tournament group founded by Madlax and the other members. Well known and right on the web site

Anyone know what the deal is with Nationals suing Madlax over a tournament?

It has to do with discrimination over the US Club Nationals Tournament in Florida. I’m not sure what proof they have, but apparently the program was kicked out with no explanation. (Coming from a friend with a kid on the 26 team.)

The off-season shuffle has begun here in Baltimore. Coaches saw gaps in their teams in the fall season and are now out recruiting.

Anyone know what the deal is with Nationals suing Madlax over a tournament?[/quote]

It has to do with discrimination over the US Club Nationals Tournament in Florida. I’m not sure what proof they have, but apparently the program was kicked out with no explanation. (Coming from a friend with a kid on the 26 team.)[/quote]

This is the most generous representation of the lawsuit I have read so far. I don't like Madlax, but everyone else has said the lawsuit has no basis.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The off-season shuffle has begun here in Baltimore. Coaches saw gaps in their teams in the fall season and are now out recruiting.

Lots of kids from multiple top programs at the St Paul's prospect day today.

Expect some shuffling.

Not much Preds talk since they started racking up actual results...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not much Preds talk since they started racking up actual results...

I don't see them ranked on USCL. Any specific tourneys they've played?

2027 MD Preds are 0-6 for the fall. They will be AAA at best in HOCO.

https://USCL.com/team_info.php?y=2021&t=106744

Madlax Capital (2027) 0 - 7
BLC - Bethesda LC Blue (2027) 3 - 5
VLC - VIRGINIA LACROSSE CLUB (2027) 6 - 8
Madlax Capital - DMV (2027) 0 - 2
Madlax - Capital (2028) 1 - 8
Leading Edge (2027) 3 - 6

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2027 MD Preds are 0-6 for the fall. They will be AAA at best in HOCO.

https://USCL.com/team_info.php?y=2021&t=106744

Madlax Capital (2027) 0 - 7
BLC - Bethesda LC Blue (2027) 3 - 5
VLC - VIRGINIA LACROSSE CLUB (2027) 6 - 8
Madlax Capital - DMV (2027) 0 - 2
Madlax - Capital (2028) 1 - 8
Leading Edge (2027) 3 - 6

They were at the same tourneys as my 28 son. Looked solid at the first. They appeared to be short a few kids at the second. I think they will be ok once they are at full strength and can find a little continuity.

AAA for Preds? No chance after this fall.

They should be wherever BLC and VLC go.

(2021 Finish) Team (Fall Record) Scores of note

Elite

1) Hawks (3-3) Beat Crabs 13-5
2) MadLax Cap 13-3-1 Beat Mesa 8-3
3) Next Level (10-4)
4) FCA (2-4) Beat Team MD Red 9-1
5) Crabs (6-3_Beat Sidewinders 9-3
6) 91 (4-1-1) Beat Sidewinders 8-1
7) Team MD Red (3-4-1) Lost to FCA 1-9, Lost to Zingos Black 2-10
8) Sidewinders (2-3-1) Beat Bethesda 6-5 and VLC 5-2, tied ML Cap

AAA
1) True Annapolis didnt play anyone of note, and their games against middling competition were close.
2) MESA (6-2-1) Beat VLC 11-4 and Bethesda 11-3, Lost to Madlax Cap 11-3
3) VLC (6-6) Beat Koopers 9-4 and Preds 8-6, Lost to Sidewinders 2-5 and Mesa 4-11
4) True KP (0-0) Not sure if they are fielding a '27 team or it's been renamed
5) Koopers (4-3) Lost to VLC 4-9
6) BLC Blue (2-7)
7) Looneys (0-0) Not sure if they are fielding a '27 team

AA
1) Madlax DMV
2) Team MD
3) Gator
4) Calvalier
5) Eastside
6) LTLC
7) True Annapolis
8) BLC Orange

-At this point, I'm probably asking the Sidewinders to move down to AAA and moving MESA up. But it's a long drive from PA.
-Not sure if Looney's or True KP are fielding teams. No fall results. If they field teams, probably gonna be AA or below.
-Probably slotting Zingos Black into AAA. They went (5-2) but lost to Team MD 1-6, and lost bad to Crabs 1-11 in a shortened game.
-Probably swinging Preds to AA or AAA depending on how the divisions fall. They went 0-6 but had competitive games with BLC and VLC.

Mesa was a md. team in AAA. They folded.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

(2021 Finish) Team (Fall Record) Scores of note

Elite

1) Hawks (3-3) Beat Crabs 13-5
2) MadLax Cap 13-3-1 Beat Mesa 8-3
3) Next Level (10-4)
4) FCA (2-4) Beat Team MD Red 9-1
5) Crabs (6-3_Beat Sidewinders 9-3
6) 91 (4-1-1) Beat Sidewinders 8-1
7) Team MD Red (3-4-1) Lost to FCA 1-9, Lost to Zingos Black 2-10
8) Sidewinders (2-3-1) Beat Bethesda 6-5 and VLC 5-2, tied ML Cap

AAA
1) True Annapolis didnt play anyone of note, and their games against middling competition were close.
2) MESA (6-2-1) Beat VLC 11-4 and Bethesda 11-3, Lost to Madlax Cap 11-3
3) VLC (6-6) Beat Koopers 9-4 and Preds 8-6, Lost to Sidewinders 2-5 and Mesa 4-11
4) True KP (0-0) Not sure if they are fielding a '27 team or it's been renamed
5) Koopers (4-3) Lost to VLC 4-9
6) BLC Blue (2-7)
7) Looneys (0-0) Not sure if they are fielding a '27 team

AA
1) Madlax DMV
2) Team MD
3) Gator
4) Calvalier
5) Eastside
6) LTLC
7) True Annapolis
8) BLC Orange

-At this point, I'm probably asking the Sidewinders to move down to AAA and moving MESA up. But it's a long drive from PA.
-Not sure if Looney's or True KP are fielding teams. No fall results. If they field teams, probably gonna be AA or below.
-Probably slotting Zingos Black into AAA. They went (5-2) but lost to Team MD 1-6, and lost bad to Crabs 1-11 in a shortened game.
-Probably swinging Preds to AA or AAA depending on how the divisions fall. They went 0-6 but had competitive games with BLC and VLC.

That MESA team is likely the one from PA. Doubt they would come down to HoCo.
So Looneys and MESA are gone from AAA. Zingos, Preds, or Madlax DMV probably make the most sense moving playing AAA, I guess.

Team MD did not lose to Zingos. That was Team Mds 2nd team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team MD did not lose to Zingos. That was Team Mds 2nd team.

So Team MD lost to Zingos?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team MD did not lose to Zingos. That was Team Mds 2nd team.

Only 1 team listed for Team MD in the rankings, red. Is that the A team or B Team? If it was the B team, then the A didn't play any games this fall?

Zingos lost to Crabs and 91, but beat Hawks Richmond, Koopers, and Team MD.

Team MDs B team lost to Zingos. The site messed Team MD teams up. Their A team went 3-3. Had a bad loss to FCA. That game will be close in the Spring. Talent is equal between those two teams,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team MDs B team lost to Zingos. The site messed Team MD teams up. Their A team went 3-3. Had a bad loss to FCA. That game will be close in the Spring. Talent is equal between those two teams,

Thanks Brad. I'm sure you'll be posting it all over your social media.

Your Welcome hold back Dad!

Team Maryland has two teams, White (A) and Red (B).

In 2021 HOCO - White played in Elite and Red played in AA.

The games listed on USCL are correct. I'm not sure why the White team isn't ranked, but if you click the "Alphabetic" button at the top of the page you can see all the teams, ranked and unranked and the game results.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your Welcome hold back Dad!

Better to be a holdback and win than holdback and still not be good enough, even against the teams you play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your Welcome hold back Dad!

Better to be a holdback and win than holdback and still not be good enough, even against the teams you play.

Team MD 2027 plays in the HoCo elite division and has consistently played in top tournaments over the last three years. Some other teams in the club do not but this is the 2027 board hold back Dad!.

Team MD 2027 is also made up of all local players. Every player on the team is from Frederick County except 2 kids from Washington County and 1 from Howard and 1 from Carroll. We have done pretty darn well against the other elite teams who are way more regional than Team Md. We will keep hitting the wall and challenging ourselves to get better. We do have 3 summer birthday kids who started school late so no real holdbacks.

Team MD entering the chat.

Just wondering how they lost to Zingos.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team MD 2027 is also made up of all local players. Every player on the team is from Frederick County except 2 kids from Washington County and 1 from Howard and 1 from Carroll. We have done pretty darn well against the other elite teams who are way more regional than Team Md. We will keep hitting the wall and challenging ourselves to get better. We do have 3 summer birthday kids who started school late so no real holdbacks.

Losing by double digits to nearly every other HoCo Elite team is "doing pretty darn well"? Glad to see y'all settle for mediocrity. Should help now that you've renamed the team "National". Keep hitting the wall tho.

Yeah, what is the deal with the Team MD Nationals thing? Has it been around awhile and is it any different than the White team? How many clubs are represented at the 2027 level beyond the normal Team MD team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your Welcome hold back Dad!

Better to be a holdback and win than holdback and still not be good enough, even against the teams you play.

Team MD 2027 plays in the HoCo elite division and has consistently played in top tournaments over the last three years. Some other teams in the club do not but this is the 2027 board hold back Dad!.

Top tournaments? If you call Beach Lax, Hogan Hershey or Colonial Challenge top tournaments, then Ok boomer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah, what is the deal with the Team MD Nationals thing? Has it been around awhile and is it any different than the White team? How many clubs are represented at the 2027 level beyond the normal Team MD team?

They're mostly cash grabs. Those teams made sense when you're in a more isolated area that has fewer strong club teams. Team MD is known as a hype machine that doesn't deliver to the level they hype.

Here you go Hold Back Dad if you can read: Looks like a pretty legit schedule to me.

True Annapolis Green (2027) Fall Maryland Lacrosse Tournament: 2027 AAA/AA - White 7 - 3
2020-10-18 BLC - Bethesda LC Blue (2027) Fall Maryland Lacrosse Tournament: 2027 AAA/AA - White 11 - 0
2020-10-18 Mesa MD (2027) Fall Maryland Lacrosse Tournament: 2027 AAA/AA - White 11 - 2
2020-11-07 West Coast Starz Navy (2027) Adrenaline Gold Cup 2020 - Saturday 4 - 9
2020-11-07 Sweetlax FL (2027) Adrenaline Gold Cup 2020 - Saturday 1 - 6
2020-11-07 Omnia (2027) Adrenaline Gold Cup 2020 - Saturday 12 - 1
2020-11-14 Team 91 Maryland (2027) North American Lacrosse Fall Invitational 2020: 2027- PA Central 7 - 5
2020-11-14 PA Roughriders Elite (2027) North American Lacrosse Fall Invitational 2020: 2027- PA Central 2 - 7
2020-11-14 FCA MD (2027) North American Lacrosse Fall Invitational 2020: 2027- PA Central 3 - 2
2020-11-14 Madlax Capital (2027) North American Lacrosse Fall Invitational 2020: 2027- PA Central 0 - 9
2021-03-13 13:50 Next Level Blue (2027) March Kickoff Invitational: 2027AA 5 - 8
2021-03-13 15:30 Mad Dog National (2027) March Kickoff Invitational: 2027AA 2 - 14
2021-03-13 17:10 True Illinois Premier (2027) March Kickoff Invitational: 2027AA 0 - 10
3D Garden State AA (2027) US Club Lacrosse Youth Jamboree: 2027 6 - 7
2021-06-19 14:00 Sidewinders (2027) US Club Lacrosse Youth Jamboree: 2027 6 - 6
2021-06-19 16:00 Next Level Blue (2027) US Club Lacrosse Youth Jamboree: 2027 3 - 7
2021-06-20 09:00 NJ Riot Chaos (2027) US Club Lacrosse Youth Jamboree: 2027 9 - 5
2021-06-20 11:00 Sidewinders (2027) US Club Lacrosse Youth Jamboree: 2027 12 - 4
2021-06-28 Richmond Hawks Ireland (2027) Naptown 5 - 6
2021-06-28 Tri-State Lacrosse (2027) Naptown 12 - 2
2021-06-28 Nationals Lacrosse (2027) Naptown 4 - 15
2021-06-29 Red Hots LC (2027) Naptown 8 - 6
2021-06-29 ADVNC (2027) Naptown 4 - 9
2021-07-10 08:00 Fusion PA (2027) NXT Cup: 2027 AA 13 - 1
2021-07-10 09:40 Predators (2027) NXT Cup: 2027 AA 5 - 2
2021-07-10 12:10 True Illinois Premier (2027) NXT Cup: 2027 AA 7 - 6
2021-07-11 10:30 PA Roughriders Elite (2027) NXT Cup: 2027 AA 3 - 4

why are using the term "hold back dad?"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here you go Hold Back Dad if you can read: Looks like a pretty legit schedule to me.

True Annapolis Green (2027) Fall Maryland Lacrosse Tournament: 2027 AAA/AA - White 7 - 3
2020-10-18 BLC - Bethesda LC Blue (2027) Fall Maryland Lacrosse Tournament: 2027 AAA/AA - White 11 - 0
2020-10-18 Mesa MD (2027) Fall Maryland Lacrosse Tournament: 2027 AAA/AA - White 11 - 2
2020-11-07 West Coast Starz Navy (2027) Adrenaline Gold Cup 2020 - Saturday 4 - 9
2020-11-07 Sweetlax FL (2027) Adrenaline Gold Cup 2020 - Saturday 1 - 6
2020-11-07 Omnia (2027) Adrenaline Gold Cup 2020 - Saturday 12 - 1
2020-11-14 Team 91 Maryland (2027) North American Lacrosse Fall Invitational 2020: 2027- PA Central 7 - 5
2020-11-14 PA Roughriders Elite (2027) North American Lacrosse Fall Invitational 2020: 2027- PA Central 2 - 7
2020-11-14 FCA MD (2027) North American Lacrosse Fall Invitational 2020: 2027- PA Central 3 - 2
2020-11-14 Madlax Capital (2027) North American Lacrosse Fall Invitational 2020: 2027- PA Central 0 - 9
2021-03-13 13:50 Next Level Blue (2027) March Kickoff Invitational: 2027AA 5 - 8
2021-03-13 15:30 Mad Dog National (2027) March Kickoff Invitational: 2027AA 2 - 14
2021-03-13 17:10 True Illinois Premier (2027) March Kickoff Invitational: 2027AA 0 - 10
3D Garden State AA (2027) US Club Lacrosse Youth Jamboree: 2027 6 - 7
2021-06-19 14:00 Sidewinders (2027) US Club Lacrosse Youth Jamboree: 2027 6 - 6
2021-06-19 16:00 Next Level Blue (2027) US Club Lacrosse Youth Jamboree: 2027 3 - 7
2021-06-20 09:00 NJ Riot Chaos (2027) US Club Lacrosse Youth Jamboree: 2027 9 - 5
2021-06-20 11:00 Sidewinders (2027) US Club Lacrosse Youth Jamboree: 2027 12 - 4
2021-06-28 Richmond Hawks Ireland (2027) Naptown 5 - 6
2021-06-28 Tri-State Lacrosse (2027) Naptown 12 - 2
2021-06-28 Nationals Lacrosse (2027) Naptown 4 - 15
2021-06-29 Red Hots LC (2027) Naptown 8 - 6
2021-06-29 ADVNC (2027) Naptown 4 - 9
2021-07-10 08:00 Fusion PA (2027) NXT Cup: 2027 AA 13 - 1
2021-07-10 09:40 Predators (2027) NXT Cup: 2027 AA 5 - 2
2021-07-10 12:10 True Illinois Premier (2027) NXT Cup: 2027 AA 7 - 6
2021-07-11 10:30 PA Roughriders Elite (2027) NXT Cup: 2027 AA 3 - 4

Wow. That's only one years worth of results and your below 0.500. And I would not exactly call the Fall Md Lax or US Club Lax Jamboree top tier tournaments. Fall NAL? 2-2 with wins against bottom feeders in HoCo elite. Naptown? 2-3 with wins against nothing burgers. Let's not forget about those top tier fall 2021 tournaments where you managed an astounding 3-3 record with wins against teams that were a combined 2-8-4 during the fall. I know, it was football season and you didn't have all the kids at every game. Got it. What's you big marketing strategy to gloss over those results Brad? Thanks for playing tho and please continue to post ambiguous results on your social media outlets.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here you go Hold Back Dad if you can read: Looks like a pretty legit schedule to me.

True Annapolis Green (2027) Fall Maryland Lacrosse Tournament: 2027 AAA/AA - White 7 - 3
2020-10-18 BLC - Bethesda LC Blue (2027) Fall Maryland Lacrosse Tournament: 2027 AAA/AA - White 11 - 0
2020-10-18 Mesa MD (2027) Fall Maryland Lacrosse Tournament: 2027 AAA/AA - White 11 - 2
2020-11-07 West Coast Starz Navy (2027) Adrenaline Gold Cup 2020 - Saturday 4 - 9
2020-11-07 Sweetlax FL (2027) Adrenaline Gold Cup 2020 - Saturday 1 - 6
2020-11-07 Omnia (2027) Adrenaline Gold Cup 2020 - Saturday 12 - 1
2020-11-14 Team 91 Maryland (2027) North American Lacrosse Fall Invitational 2020: 2027- PA Central 7 - 5
2020-11-14 PA Roughriders Elite (2027) North American Lacrosse Fall Invitational 2020: 2027- PA Central 2 - 7
2020-11-14 FCA MD (2027) North American Lacrosse Fall Invitational 2020: 2027- PA Central 3 - 2
2020-11-14 Madlax Capital (2027) North American Lacrosse Fall Invitational 2020: 2027- PA Central 0 - 9
2021-03-13 13:50 Next Level Blue (2027) March Kickoff Invitational: 2027AA 5 - 8
2021-03-13 15:30 Mad Dog National (2027) March Kickoff Invitational: 2027AA 2 - 14
2021-03-13 17:10 True Illinois Premier (2027) March Kickoff Invitational: 2027AA 0 - 10
3D Garden State AA (2027) US Club Lacrosse Youth Jamboree: 2027 6 - 7
2021-06-19 14:00 Sidewinders (2027) US Club Lacrosse Youth Jamboree: 2027 6 - 6
2021-06-19 16:00 Next Level Blue (2027) US Club Lacrosse Youth Jamboree: 2027 3 - 7
2021-06-20 09:00 NJ Riot Chaos (2027) US Club Lacrosse Youth Jamboree: 2027 9 - 5
2021-06-20 11:00 Sidewinders (2027) US Club Lacrosse Youth Jamboree: 2027 12 - 4
2021-06-28 Richmond Hawks Ireland (2027) Naptown 5 - 6
2021-06-28 Tri-State Lacrosse (2027) Naptown 12 - 2
2021-06-28 Nationals Lacrosse (2027) Naptown 4 - 15
2021-06-29 Red Hots LC (2027) Naptown 8 - 6
2021-06-29 ADVNC (2027) Naptown 4 - 9
2021-07-10 08:00 Fusion PA (2027) NXT Cup: 2027 AA 13 - 1
2021-07-10 09:40 Predators (2027) NXT Cup: 2027 AA 5 - 2
2021-07-10 12:10 True Illinois Premier (2027) NXT Cup: 2027 AA 7 - 6
2021-07-11 10:30 PA Roughriders Elite (2027) NXT Cup: 2027 AA 3 - 4

Wow. That's only one years worth of results and your below 0.500. And I would not exactly call the Fall Md Lax or US Club Lax Jamboree top tier tournaments. Fall NAL? 2-2 with wins against bottom feeders in HoCo elite. Naptown? 2-3 with wins against nothing burgers. Let's not forget about those top tier fall 2021 tournaments where you managed an astounding 3-3 record with wins against teams that were a combined 2-8-4 during the fall. I know, it was football season and you didn't have all the kids at every game. Got it. What's you big marketing strategy to gloss over those results Brad? Thanks for playing tho and please continue to post ambiguous results on your social media outlets.

I can understand why the team MD poster is over analyzing his own team results, but I always find it odd when somebody does such a deep dive into the results of another team. You have issues.

Team MD is good but they are a lot like FCA and other teams where .500 is actually pretty competitive in the Mid-Atlantic and NE. They really wanted to be in the top tier of HoCo and found out it's a big leap. Running a 1 kid dodge time after time as they get older doesn't result in success. I think most of their parents realized they weren't as good as they thought but they are still okay.

What is the deal with WSYL coming back? Same format? No holdbacks have to be with in 100 miles to be on a team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the deal with WSYL coming back? Same format? No holdbacks have to be with in 100 miles to be on a team?

Very funny LI guy. You know very well that our holdback team won’t qualify and we will use the excuses that it’s too expensive, poorly run, during July 4th and we play better competition in another tournament that we will purposely host during same time to give our team an excuse to get out. Right, no longer can use excuse that it’s in Denver now that it’s in our backyard.

Was actually a serious question. I wonder who will put teams together: Monuments? Black Ops?

WSYL organizers put out a statement a few weeks ago that the event is no longer happening. They did not give a reason, but just patted themselves on the back for running a great event for 6-7 years and bid farewell to the lacrosse world. I expect somebody to fill the void and start it up again, but I can't imagine it will be pulled together in time for 2022. If somebody knows differently, go ahead and post what you know - a lot of folks on this Board would be interested to hear.

Why are people pooping on Team MD? That was some ML/hawks level detest from the one poster.

What did team MD do to anybody lol.

Somebody took it over according to Instagram. worldseriesofyouthlacrosse is set to go on 2022. Regional qualifiers are already listed.

Do you think that only MadLax and Hawks are worth pooping on? News flash, the poop and detest is always directed at the best teams. Team MD is rarely mentioned because people don't care and don't notice them. If they are being attacked and that is your son's team, you should be proud. If they perform well in HoCo this spring, expect more and enjoy it!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you think that only MadLax and Hawks are worth pooping on? News flash, the poop and detest is always directed at the best teams. Team MD is rarely mentioned because people don't care and don't notice them. If they are being attacked and that is your son's team, you should be proud. If they perform well in HoCo this spring, expect more and enjoy it!

Exactly. Hawks, NextLevel, and MadLax are all going through issues, but come spring, I would be willing to bet that those three will still dominate HoCo. But if Team MD is able to break through and beat one of them, then get ready for your players, coaches, parents, and/or owners to be dumped on big time.

Predictions for Spring 2027 HOCO. I'm sure there are a couple teams that are going to be added or eliminated, but I'm going to bet I'm 95% on this. I look forward to being told how wrong these are and who cares about any of the divisions beyond Elite, lol.

Elite

1 Annapolis Hawks
2 Madlax Capital
3 Next Level
4 FCA
5 Crabs
6 Team 91
7 Team Maryland White
8 True Annapolis Green

AAA

1 Sidewinders Black
2 Zingos Black
3 VLC
4 Team Maryland Red
5 Kooper's
6 BLC Blue
7 Madlax DMV
8 True Baltimore

AA

1 ALC Bay Raiders
2 Zingos Blue
3 Sidewinders Volt
4 Cavalier
5 LTLC
6 True Annapolis White
7 Predators MD
8 BLC Orange

A

1 Rockfish Neon
2 Cannon's
3 True Baltimore
4 HoCo Black
5 Rockfish Purple
6 Baltimore Swarm
7 Breakers
8 Ground Control

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you think that only MadLax and Hawks are worth pooping on? News flash, the poop and detest is always directed at the best teams. Team MD is rarely mentioned because people don't care and don't notice them. If they are being attacked and that is your son's team, you should be proud. If they perform well in HoCo this spring, expect more and enjoy it!

Exactly. Hawks, NextLevel, and MadLax are all going through issues, but come spring, I would be willing to bet that those three will still dominate HoCo. But if Team MD is able to break through and beat one of them, then get ready for your players, coaches, parents, and/or owners to be dumped on big time.

I know Madlax had a lot of players leave because of the whole BLC thing and Hawks were bought but what is NL going through?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Predictions for Spring 2027 HOCO. I'm sure there are a couple teams that are going to be added or eliminated, but I'm going to bet I'm 95% on this. I look forward to being told how wrong these are and who cares about any of the divisions beyond Elite, lol.

Elite

1 Annapolis Hawks
2 Madlax Capital
3 Next Level
4 FCA
5 Crabs
6 Team 91
7 Team Maryland White
8 True Annapolis Green

AAA

1 Sidewinders Black
2 Zingos Black
3 VLC
4 Team Maryland Red
5 Kooper's
6 BLC Blue
7 Madlax DMV
8 True Baltimore

AA

1 ALC Bay Raiders
2 Zingos Blue
3 Sidewinders Volt
4 Cavalier
5 LTLC
6 True Annapolis White
7 Predators MD
8 BLC Orange

A

1 Rockfish Neon
2 Cannon's
3 True Baltimore
4 HoCo Black
5 Rockfish Purple
6 Baltimore Swarm
7 Breakers
8 Ground Control

Those look spot on!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you think that only MadLax and Hawks are worth pooping on? News flash, the poop and detest is always directed at the best teams. Team MD is rarely mentioned because people don't care and don't notice them. If they are being attacked and that is your son's team, you should be proud. If they perform well in HoCo this spring, expect more and enjoy it!

Exactly. Hawks, NextLevel, and MadLax are all going through issues, but come spring, I would be willing to bet that those three will still dominate HoCo. But if Team MD is able to break through and beat one of them, then get ready for your players, coaches, parents, and/or owners to be dumped on big time.

I know Madlax had a lot of players leave because of the whole BLC thing and Hawks were bought but what is NL going through?

Diluted the roster with too many new players who are not HoCo elite level. Good for the owners $$ but not the players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you think that only MadLax and Hawks are worth pooping on? News flash, the poop and detest is always directed at the best teams. Team MD is rarely mentioned because people don't care and don't notice them. If they are being attacked and that is your son's team, you should be proud. If they perform well in HoCo this spring, expect more and enjoy it!

Exactly. Hawks, NextLevel, and MadLax are all going through issues, but come spring, I would be willing to bet that those three will still dominate HoCo. But if Team MD is able to break through and beat one of them, then get ready for your players, coaches, parents, and/or owners to be dumped on big time.

I know Madlax had a lot of players leave because of the whole BLC thing and Hawks were bought but what is NL going through?

Diluted the roster with too many new players who are not HoCo elite level. Good for the owners $$ but not the players.

Well, that is true but pretty sure the coach doesn't play the end of the bench much.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Predictions for Spring 2027 HOCO. I'm sure there are a couple teams that are going to be added or eliminated, but I'm going to bet I'm 95% on this. I look forward to being told how wrong these are and who cares about any of the divisions beyond Elite, lol.

Elite

1 Annapolis Hawks
2 Madlax Capital
3 Next Level
4 FCA
5 Crabs
6 Team 91
7 Team Maryland White
8 True Annapolis Green

AAA

1 Sidewinders Black
2 Zingos Black
3 VLC
4 Team Maryland Red
5 Kooper's
6 BLC Blue
7 Madlax DMV
8 True Baltimore

AA

1 ALC Bay Raiders
2 Zingos Blue
3 Sidewinders Volt
4 Cavalier
5 LTLC
6 True Annapolis White
7 Predators MD
8 BLC Orange

A

1 Rockfish Neon
2 Cannon's
3 True Baltimore
4 HoCo Black
5 Rockfish Purple
6 Baltimore Swarm
7 Breakers
8 Ground Control

Those look spot on!

No way Sidewinders moves down. They loaded up and improved over the summer. Last year's spring was an aberration. Predators needs to be AAA at least. Cannons doesn't need an apostophe. As it is, that would be indicative of possession by a singular Cannon. That would be problematic for the league. True Annapolis should have two spots in each league because they offer roster spots to double the size of a normal team. Team Maryland Red needs to swapped with Team Maryland White, but then they should swap rosters as well. The same strategy has been used successfully by MadLAx. Putting both Rockfish in the same division can be a problem if you don't have a passenger in the boat, Ground Control can move up if they can get in touch with Major Tom. Zingos need to explain what a Zingo is. I brought them babies instead of orange slices, for a post game snack, and it turns out I misheard an Australian in regards to their preferred gastronomic delights. Both BLC's are going to to leave everything on the field, literally; since there is 8th grade BLC.. It will be a good time for this year's 6th graders to run on the field and get some swag. Bay Raiders would harken back to when they were AYLC, but why (Y)? True Baltimore will realize that there is not one True resident of Baltimore.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Predictions for Spring 2027 HOCO. I'm sure there are a couple teams that are going to be added or eliminated, but I'm going to bet I'm 95% on this. I look forward to being told how wrong these are and who cares about any of the divisions beyond Elite, lol.

Elite

1 Annapolis Hawks
2 Madlax Capital
3 Next Level
4 FCA
5 Crabs
6 Team 91
7 Team Maryland White
8 True Annapolis Green

AAA

1 Sidewinders Black
2 Zingos Black
3 VLC
4 Team Maryland Red
5 Kooper's
6 BLC Blue
7 Madlax DMV
8 True Baltimore

AA

1 ALC Bay Raiders
2 Zingos Blue
3 Sidewinders Volt
4 Cavalier
5 LTLC
6 True Annapolis White
7 Predators MD
8 BLC Orange

A

1 Rockfish Neon
2 Cannon's
3 True Baltimore
4 HoCo Black
5 Rockfish Purple
6 Baltimore Swarm
7 Breakers
8 Ground Control

Koopers is gonna get rolled if they go AAA. They lost too many decent players. How many teams does true Baltimore have?

Zingos Blue didn’t win a game in the lowest HOCO division last Spring, were terrible in the Summer and Fall and you have them as second in AA? What are you smoking?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Predictions for Spring 2027 HOCO. I'm sure there are a couple teams that are going to be added or eliminated, but I'm going to bet I'm 95% on this. I look forward to being told how wrong these are and who cares about any of the divisions beyond Elite, lol.

Elite

1 Annapolis Hawks
2 Madlax Capital
3 Next Level
4 FCA
5 Crabs
6 Team 91
7 Team Maryland White
8 True Annapolis Green

AAA

1 Sidewinders Black
2 Zingos Black
3 VLC
4 Team Maryland Red
5 Kooper's
6 BLC Blue
7 Madlax DMV
8 True Baltimore

AA

1 ALC Bay Raiders
2 Zingos Blue
3 Sidewinders Volt
4 Cavalier
5 LTLC
6 True Annapolis White
7 Predators MD
8 BLC Orange

A

1 Rockfish Neon
2 Cannon's
3 True Baltimore
4 HoCo Black
5 Rockfish Purple
6 Baltimore Swarm
7 Breakers
8 Ground Control

Those look spot on!

No way Sidewinders moves down. They loaded up and improved over the summer. Last year's spring was an aberration. Predators needs to be AAA at least. Cannons doesn't need an apostophe. As it is, that would be indicative of possession by a singular Cannon. That would be problematic for the league. True Annapolis should have two spots in each league because they offer roster spots to double the size of a normal team. Team Maryland Red needs to swapped with Team Maryland White, but then they should swap rosters as well. The same strategy has been used successfully by MadLAx. Putting both Rockfish in the same division can be a problem if you don't have a passenger in the boat, Ground Control can move up if they can get in touch with Major Tom. Zingos need to explain what a Zingo is. I brought them babies instead of orange slices, for a post game snack, and it turns out I misheard an Australian in regards to their preferred gastronomic delights. Both BLC's are going to to leave everything on the field, literally; since there is 8th grade BLC.. It will be a good time for this year's 6th graders to run on the field and get some swag. Bay Raiders would harken back to when they were AYLC, but why (Y)? True Baltimore will realize that there is not one True resident of Baltimore.

Mr Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I've ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response was there anything that could even be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it.

I wasn't ranking them. They are just numbered to show there are eight teams in each division.

Lol, you're funny Mr. Madison, but I'm sticking with my predictions for the most part.

Sidewinders Black doesn't want any part of Elite after last spring. No disrespect, but they are a solid AAA team. Just curious, who did they "load up" with? They went 2-3-1 , squeaking out wins against AAA teams BLC (6-5) and VLC (5-2). They will play well in AAA and make a run for the Championship.

The 0-6 Preds are a wild card. Although their record would show they could compete in AAA, do they want to play in AAA and be middle of the pack going 4-3 for the season or do they want to go trophy hunting in AA? My guess is they go for the W to keep parents with the checkbooks happy.

I'm going to blame autocorrect for my misspelling, or possibly my Spalding education.

Team MD has been swapping players between teams for years, that's nothing new.

Kind of weird Rockfish having two teams, but ok, good for them. Maybe Purple moves up to AA and LTLC or Cavalier goes to A. Do those teams even exist anymore or were they also bought by True?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zingos Blue didn’t win a game in the lowest HOCO division last Spring, were terrible in the Summer and Fall and you have them as second in AA? What are you smoking?

Relax, these aren't rankings, just division predictions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zingos Blue didn’t win a game in the lowest HOCO division last Spring, were terrible in the Summer and Fall and you have them as second in AA? What are you smoking?

Relax, these aren't rankings, just division predictions.

Bad prediction on Zingos Blue. You have a team that didn’t win a game last year in A division jumping up to AA. Makes no sense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zingos Blue didn’t win a game in the lowest HOCO division last Spring, were terrible in the Summer and Fall and you have them as second in AA? What are you smoking?

Relax, these aren't rankings, just division predictions.

Bad prediction on Zingos Blue. You have a team that didn’t win a game last year in A division jumping up to AA. Makes no sense.

I heard Zingos Blue loaded up over the summer. /s

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are people pooping on Team MD? That was some ML/hawks level detest from the one poster.

What did team MD do to anybody lol.

Certainly didn't beat them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lol, you're funny Mr. Madison, but I'm sticking with my predictions for the most part.

Sidewinders Black doesn't want any part of Elite after last spring. No disrespect, but they are a solid AAA team. Just curious, who did they "load up" with? They went 2-3-1 , squeaking out wins against AAA teams BLC (6-5) and VLC (5-2). They will play well in AAA and make a run for the Championship.

The 0-6 Preds are a wild card. Although their record would show they could compete in AAA, do they want to play in AAA and be middle of the pack going 4-3 for the season or do they want to go trophy hunting in AA? My guess is they go for the W to keep parents with the checkbooks happy.

I'm going to blame autocorrect for my misspelling, or possibly my Spalding education.

Team MD has been swapping players between teams for years, that's nothing new.

Kind of weird Rockfish having two teams, but ok, good for them. Maybe Purple moves up to AA and LTLC or Cavalier goes to A. Do those teams even exist anymore or were they also bought by True?

Spalding huh? Did you have to play for the Hawks too, or was it not required before Phipps? I can't see that Sidewinders' coach being willing to move down. He was strutting all last Spring on social media about being an Elite program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Predictions for Spring 2027 HOCO. I'm sure there are a couple teams that are going to be added or eliminated, but I'm going to bet I'm 95% on this. I look forward to being told how wrong these are and who cares about any of the divisions beyond Elite, lol.

Elite

1 Annapolis Hawks
2 Madlax Capital
3 Next Level
4 FCA
5 Crabs
6 Team 91
7 Team Maryland White
8 True Annapolis Green

AAA

1 Sidewinders Black
2 Zingos Black
3 VLC
4 Team Maryland Red
5 Kooper's
6 BLC Blue
7 Madlax DMV
8 True Baltimore

AA

1 ALC Bay Raiders
2 Zingos Blue
3 Sidewinders Volt
4 Cavalier
5 LTLC
6 True Annapolis White
7 Predators MD
8 BLC Orange

A

1 Rockfish Neon
2 Cannon's
3 True Baltimore
4 HoCo Black
5 Rockfish Purple
6 Baltimore Swarm
7 Breakers
8 Ground Control

Those look spot on!

No way Sidewinders moves down. They loaded up and improved over the summer. Last year's spring was an aberration. Predators needs to be AAA at least. Cannons doesn't need an apostophe. As it is, that would be indicative of possession by a singular Cannon. That would be problematic for the league. True Annapolis should have two spots in each league because they offer roster spots to double the size of a normal team. Team Maryland Red needs to swapped with Team Maryland White, but then they should swap rosters as well. The same strategy has been used successfully by MadLAx. Putting both Rockfish in the same division can be a problem if you don't have a passenger in the boat, Ground Control can move up if they can get in touch with Major Tom. Zingos need to explain what a Zingo is. I brought them babies instead of orange slices, for a post game snack, and it turns out I misheard an Australian in regards to their preferred gastronomic delights. Both BLC's are going to to leave everything on the field, literally; since there is 8th grade BLC.. It will be a good time for this year's 6th graders to run on the field and get some swag. Bay Raiders would harken back to when they were AYLC, but why (Y)? True Baltimore will realize that there is not one True resident of Baltimore.

SW loads up by losing their better players?

VLC, Sidewinders and Team MD are definite AAA teams. Madlax DMV, Preds and Koopers could all swing AAA or AA depending on what they want to do.

Zingos Blue might have loaded up. Just not sure where the new kids are coming from. Not a lot of decent free agent 27s around. They would probably be better off in the A division. The rest of the A looks about right. Ground Control 27s will be in A or get absorbed back into Fallston Rec. If that happens I could see a team like Phantoms (DE) taking their spot.

Elite could be far tighter this year. Hawks goalie and fogo dropped to 2028's: Madlax roster got very thin with one of their best players going to NL; NL doesn't win big games; Crabs got better with a bunch of FCA players transferring over; Team MD will climb to 5th; FCA drops to 6th, Sidewinders make elite while battling Team 91 for 7th or 8th. True gladly goes to AAA to try and win some games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite could be far tighter this year. Hawks goalie and fogo dropped to 2028's: Madlax roster got very thin with one of their best players going to NL; NL doesn't win big games; Crabs got better with a bunch of FCA players transferring over; Team MD will climb to 5th; FCA drops to 6th, Sidewinders make elite while battling Team 91 for 7th or 8th. True gladly goes to AAA to try and win some games.

Hawks lost fogo, not goalie.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite could be far tighter this year. Hawks goalie and fogo dropped to 2028's: Madlax roster got very thin with one of their best players going to NL; NL doesn't win big games; Crabs got better with a bunch of FCA players transferring over; Team MD will climb to 5th; FCA drops to 6th, Sidewinders make elite while battling Team 91 for 7th or 8th. True gladly goes to AAA to try and win some games.

Very funny that you think FCA players will have an impact on Crabs. Hawks best FOGO went to Sidewinders. The other held back. Heard they struggled all fall. NL runs away with it this year.

Why would the Hawks fogo leave for Sidewinders? And was the Hawks goalie in the fall the same as the last couple of years? He doesn't look like the same player I remember. Maybe they were playing a different goalie in the game I saw.

I agree with the above. Not sure the FCA kids will improve the crabs a ton. More a change of scenery. But it does leave some holes at FCA. Did FCA 27s ever figure out their coaching situation and will they field a team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree with the above. Not sure the FCA kids will improve the crabs a ton. More a change of scenery. But it does leave some holes at FCA. Did FCA 27s ever figure out their coaching situation and will they field a team?

FCA held a special Huddle for the Director, Coaches, Parents and Players to pray for divine intervention.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite could be far tighter this year. Hawks goalie and fogo dropped to 2028's: Madlax roster got very thin with one of their best players going to NL; NL doesn't win big games; Crabs got better with a bunch of FCA players transferring over; Team MD will climb to 5th; FCA drops to 6th, Sidewinders make elite while battling Team 91 for 7th or 8th. True gladly goes to AAA to try and win some games.

Very funny that you think FCA players will have an impact on Crabs. Hawks best FOGO went to Sidewinders. The other held back. Heard they struggled all fall. NL runs away with it this year.

Nice try!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite could be far tighter this year. Hawks goalie and fogo dropped to 2028's: Madlax roster got very thin with one of their best players going to NL; NL doesn't win big games; Crabs got better with a bunch of FCA players transferring over; Team MD will climb to 5th; FCA drops to 6th, Sidewinders make elite while battling Team 91 for 7th or 8th. True gladly goes to AAA to try and win some games.

Very funny that you think FCA players will have an impact on Crabs. Hawks best FOGO went to Sidewinders. The other held back. Heard they struggled all fall. NL runs away with it this year.

Nice try!

What do you mean nice try? Wasn’t NL in the championship last year? Not much of a hot take.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite could be far tighter this year. Hawks goalie and fogo dropped to 2028's: Madlax roster got very thin with one of their best players going to NL; NL doesn't win big games; Crabs got better with a bunch of FCA players transferring over; Team MD will climb to 5th; FCA drops to 6th, Sidewinders make elite while battling Team 91 for 7th or 8th. True gladly goes to AAA to try and win some games.

Very funny that you think FCA players will have an impact on Crabs. Hawks best FOGO went to Sidewinders. The other held back. Heard they struggled all fall. NL runs away with it this year.

Nice try!

What do you mean nice try? Wasn’t NL in the championship last year? Not much of a hot take.

Hawks, Crabs, and MadLax will reload with holdbacks and new recruits like they always do. Another team or two may surprise you. It will be a dog fight among several teams, and NextLevel will be right there but will fall short like they always do. And the over-sized diluted roster is not going to help.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would the Hawks fogo leave for Sidewinders? And was the Hawks goalie in the fall the same as the last couple of years? He doesn't look like the same player I remember. Maybe they were playing a different goalie in the game I saw.

#1 fogo held back
Goalie is the same kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would the Hawks fogo leave for Sidewinders? And was the Hawks goalie in the fall the same as the last couple of years? He doesn't look like the same player I remember. Maybe they were playing a different goalie in the game I saw.

#1 fogo held back
Goalie is the same kid.

But why Sidewinders? Why not stay with the Hawks with the old coach now with the 28's. And that is a problem in goalie. He's good but is now way too small. He can barely reach the top of the cage with his stick outstretched. It's not a dig on the kid but an observation of how all the players, opponents included, are just so much bigger.

I still think Hawks will figure it out and end up on top. Next Level will be 2nd again, Crabs 3rd and Madlax/Team MD/FCA/Sidewinders fighting it out for 4th with Team 91 at the bottom again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would the Hawks fogo leave for Sidewinders? And was the Hawks goalie in the fall the same as the last couple of years? He doesn't look like the same player I remember. Maybe they were playing a different goalie in the game I saw.

#1 fogo held back
Goalie is the same kid.

Heldback for reasons other than Lacrosse as all holdbacks are according to parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would the Hawks fogo leave for Sidewinders? And was the Hawks goalie in the fall the same as the last couple of years? He doesn't look like the same player I remember. Maybe they were playing a different goalie in the game I saw.

#1 fogo held back
Goalie is the same kid.

Heldback for reasons other than Lacrosse as all holdbacks are according to parents.

That's just a dense response. I think Hawks will slide to 4th based on what I saw at NAL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would the Hawks fogo leave for Sidewinders? And was the Hawks goalie in the fall the same as the last couple of years? He doesn't look like the same player I remember. Maybe they were playing a different goalie in the game I saw.

#1 fogo held back
Goalie is the same kid.

But why Sidewinders? Why not stay with the Hawks with the old coach now with the 28's. And that is a problem in goalie. He's good but is now way too small. He can barely reach the top of the cage with his stick outstretched. It's not a dig on the kid but an observation of how all the players, opponents included, are just so much bigger.

I still think Hawks will figure it out and end up on top. Next Level will be 2nd again, Crabs 3rd and Madlax/Team MD/FCA/Sidewinders fighting it out for 4th with Team 91 at the bottom again.

That’s the backup Hawks goalie. Please stop talking about anything you have no idea about.

That’s the backup Hawks goalie. Please stop talking about anything you have no idea about.[quote][/quote]

That makes more sense. It still means the Hawks benched the starter and essentially tanked the final game.

How does elite teams match up with teams out of state like 91 Machine?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would the Hawks fogo leave for Sidewinders? And was the Hawks goalie in the fall the same as the last couple of years? He doesn't look like the same player I remember. Maybe they were playing a different goalie in the game I saw.

#1 fogo held back
Goalie is the same kid.

But why Sidewinders? Why not stay with the Hawks with the old coach now with the 28's. And that is a problem in goalie. He's good but is now way too small. He can barely reach the top of the cage with his stick outstretched. It's not a dig on the kid but an observation of how all the players, opponents included, are just so much bigger.

I still think Hawks will figure it out and end up on top. Next Level will be 2nd again, Crabs 3rd and Madlax/Team MD/FCA/Sidewinders fighting it out for 4th with Team 91 at the bottom again.

That’s the backup Hawks goalie. Please stop talking about anything you have no idea about.

Did they also bench the fogo? Why did they start and primarily use a pole the entire game I saw? Is that normal for them? That's not going to work in HoCo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That’s the backup Hawks goalie. Please stop talking about anything you have no idea about.[quote]

That makes more sense. It still means the Hawks benched the starter and essentially tanked the final game.

Hawks were just acting Hawkward again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]That’s the backup Hawks goalie. Please stop talking about anything you have no idea about.

Quote

That makes more sense. It still means the Hawks benched the starter and essentially tanked the final game.

Hawks were just acting Hawkward again.

Still not clever.

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The second generation of the world series lacrosse event everyone has come to love has re-branded as the Lacrosse World Series Championship. The top 13u lacrosse teams from across the country and a select group of international teams will compete at their respective qualifying tournaments for a chance to be crowned at the Lacrosse World Series Championship at Maryland SportsPlex in Boyds, Maryland. The Lacrosse World Series Championship will be operated under the tutelage of US Lax Events.

https://lacrosseworldserieschampionship.com/

Glad to see Crabs 27’s have a 26 playing with them in CA. At least if you’re going to cheat, don’t post a picture on social media with the current 26 player in the picture.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Glad to see Crabs 27’s have a 26 playing with them in CA. At least if you’re going to cheat, don’t post a picture on social media with the current 26 player in the picture.

Why are you glad to see it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Glad to see Crabs 27’s have a 26 playing with them in CA. At least if you’re going to cheat, don’t post a picture on social media with the current 26 player in the picture.

Why are you glad to see it?

I’m guessing that was meant as a joke. Crabs are known for cheating and this just confirms that they really do.

Is the kid any good?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Glad to see Crabs 27’s have a 26 playing with them in CA. At least if you’re going to cheat, don’t post a picture on social media with the current 26 player in the picture.

Why are you glad to see it?

I’m guessing that was meant as a joke. Crabs are known for cheating and this just confirms that they really do.

Since their 27s are lots of holdbacks is that 26 a 25 really?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Glad to see Crabs 27’s have a 26 playing with them in CA. At least if you’re going to cheat, don’t post a picture on social media with the current 26 player in the picture.

Why are you glad to see it?

I’m guessing that was meant as a joke. Crabs are known for cheating and this just confirms that they really do.

Since their 27s are lots of holdbacks is that 26 a 25 really?

Goes without saying. Of course ! He wants a good showing out there

So you spend thousands of dollars and tons of effort and find out at the tournament the coach brought a 26 to play in the 2027 division. What do you do?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So you spend thousands of dollars and tons of effort and find out at the tournament the coach brought a 26 to play in the 2027 division. What do you do?

I just checked out Tourney app and it looks like the Crabs 2027's over-performed dramatically compared to their HoCo showing. In 2021 HoCo, three teams were way ahead of everybody, and Crabs were a punching bag. They did not make the playoffs. But this weekend they fared surprisingly well against national competition. Of course January tournaments are not necessarily a gauge of anything, but it looks like the Crabs 2027 team is a different team. It is unfortunate if they cheated and used a current 2026, and were dense enough to feature him on a social media post, but the overhaul is surely more than just one player. The same thing happened with Crabs 2026. They were horrific a couple of years ago, but overnight became a team of studs who have creamed everybody in 2026 elite except the Hawks, and will likely beat Hawks pretty badly this spring. If your son is on 2027 Crabs and is not 14-15 years old, you should look for a new team. If your son is on MadLax, Nextlevel, or Hawks, get ready for a new team at the party this spring!

Didn’t Hawks and Crabs okay this fall. Wasn’t close.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So you spend thousands of dollars and tons of effort and find out at the tournament the coach brought a 26 to play in the 2027 division. What do you do?

I just checked out Tourney app and it looks like the Crabs 2027's over-performed dramatically compared to their HoCo showing. In 2021 HoCo, three teams were way ahead of everybody, and Crabs were a punching bag. They did not make the playoffs. But this weekend they fared surprisingly well against national competition. Of course January tournaments are not necessarily a gauge of anything, but it looks like the Crabs 2027 team is a different team. It is unfortunate if they cheated and used a current 2026, and were dense enough to feature him on a social media post, but the overhaul is surely more than just one player. The same thing happened with Crabs 2026. They were horrific a couple of years ago, but overnight became a team of studs who have creamed everybody in 2026 elite except the Hawks, and will likely beat Hawks pretty badly this spring. If your son is on 2027 Crabs and is not 14-15 years old, you should look for a new team. If your son is on MadLax, Nextlevel, or Hawks, get ready for a new team at the party this spring!

The Crabs played in the soft bracket at Sandstorm. They had one tough pool play game and lost it to ADVNC. They lost 8-1 to the Kings in a shortened bracket game (18 min halves). They would have had a losing record in pool play if they had played in the other pool (Kings, TX Nationals, Mad Dog and True IL).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So you spend thousands of dollars and tons of effort and find out at the tournament the coach brought a 26 to play in the 2027 division. What do you do?

I just checked out Tourney app and it looks like the Crabs 2027's over-performed dramatically compared to their HoCo showing. In 2021 HoCo, three teams were way ahead of everybody, and Crabs were a punching bag. They did not make the playoffs. But this weekend they fared surprisingly well against national competition. Of course January tournaments are not necessarily a gauge of anything, but it looks like the Crabs 2027 team is a different team. It is unfortunate if they cheated and used a current 2026, and were dense enough to feature him on a social media post, but the overhaul is surely more than just one player. The same thing happened with Crabs 2026. They were horrific a couple of years ago, but overnight became a team of studs who have creamed everybody in 2026 elite except the Hawks, and will likely beat Hawks pretty badly this spring. If your son is on 2027 Crabs and is not 14-15 years old, you should look for a new team. If your son is on MadLax, Nextlevel, or Hawks, get ready for a new team at the party this spring!

The Crabs played in the soft bracket at Sandstorm. They had one tough pool play game and lost it to ADVNC. They lost 8-1 to the Kings in a shortened bracket game (18 min halves). They would have had a losing record in pool play if they had played in the other pool (Kings, TX Nationals, Mad Dog and True IL).

PP here. I stand corrected. You always get a better feel for a team on the ground than checking scores on tourney app. But if the are still lightweights, why is a big deal that they used one 2026? Maybe he was visiting his grandparents in California and wanted to get a few runs in a game where Crabs were getting killed anyway by the Kings?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]That’s the backup Hawks goalie. Please stop talking about anything you have no idea about.

Quote

That makes more sense. It still means the Hawks benched the starter and essentially tanked the final game.

Hawks were just acting Hawkward again.

Still not clever.

That response is not very Hawkward of you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So you spend thousands of dollars and tons of effort and find out at the tournament the coach brought a 26 to play in the 2027 division. What do you do?

I just checked out Tourney app and it looks like the Crabs 2027's over-performed dramatically compared to their HoCo showing. In 2021 HoCo, three teams were way ahead of everybody, and Crabs were a punching bag. They did not make the playoffs. But this weekend they fared surprisingly well against national competition. Of course January tournaments are not necessarily a gauge of anything, but it looks like the Crabs 2027 team is a different team. It is unfortunate if they cheated and used a current 2026, and were dense enough to feature him on a social media post, but the overhaul is surely more than just one player. The same thing happened with Crabs 2026. They were horrific a couple of years ago, but overnight became a team of studs who have creamed everybody in 2026 elite except the Hawks, and will likely beat Hawks pretty badly this spring. If your son is on 2027 Crabs and is not 14-15 years old, you should look for a new team. If your son is on MadLax, Nextlevel, or Hawks, get ready for a new team at the party this spring!

The Crabs played in the soft bracket at Sandstorm. They had one tough pool play game and lost it to ADVNC. They lost 8-1 to the Kings in a shortened bracket game (18 min halves). They would have had a losing record in pool play if they had played in the other pool (Kings, TX Nationals, Mad Dog and True IL).

PP here. I stand corrected. You always get a better feel for a team on the ground than checking scores on tourney app. But if the are still lightweights, why is a big deal that they used one 2026? Maybe he was visiting his grandparents in California and wanted to get a few runs in a game where Crabs were getting killed anyway by the Kings?

Was that the reason King Crustacean gave, Sounds reasonable

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is the kid any good?

Apparently not, that's why he reclassed.

[/quote]

PP here. I stand corrected. You always get a better feel for a team on the ground than checking scores on tourney app. But if the are still lightweights, why is a big deal that they used one 2026? Maybe he was visiting his grandparents in California and wanted to get a few runs in a game where Crabs were getting killed anyway by the Kings?[/quote]

Come on Dad. If the parent of the kid and the kid really wanted to play, then be a free agent in the 2026 division. Plenty of teams were looking, including the Crabs apparently. This is what happens when you combine a Crabs and FCA team with the FCA coach. The IG thing was really cringe worthy too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[/quote]

PP here. I stand corrected. You always get a better feel for a team on the ground than checking scores on tourney app. But if the are still lightweights, why is a big deal that they used one 2026? Maybe he was visiting his grandparents in California and wanted to get a few runs in a game where Crabs were getting killed anyway by the Kings?

Come on Dad. If the parent of the kid and the kid really wanted to play, then be a free agent in the 2026 division. Plenty of teams were looking, including the Crabs apparently. This is what happens when you combine a Crabs and FCA team with the FCA coach. The IG thing was really cringe worthy too.[/quote]

And they didn’t even win!

I guess Crabs 2027 aren't sending a team to World Series. Are any DC/Baltimore teams attending? The qualifier is the same weekend as HoCo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess Crabs 2027 aren't sending a team to World Series. Are any DC/Baltimore teams attending? The qualifier is the same weekend as HoCo.

Good question. My bet is that none are attending. The event has been poorly publicized and I doubt teams want to go through a fire drill, especially if it conflicts with HoCo and regular pre-season tournaments. But the good teams in the area (MadLax, Hawks, NextLevel) could not attend anyway, because too many of their key players are holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess Crabs 2027 aren't sending a team to World Series. Are any DC/Baltimore teams attending? The qualifier is the same weekend as HoCo.

Good question. My bet is that none are attending. The event has been poorly publicized and I doubt teams want to go through a fire drill, especially if it conflicts with HoCo and regular pre-season tournaments. But the good teams in the area (MadLax, Hawks, NextLevel) could not attend anyway, because too many of their key players are holdbacks.

For the mid Atlantic clubs, the directors will find a way to send teams and make a few bucks. Madlax will field a monuments team. True will recruit and send a mid Atlantic team. Black ops could form again with a hodgepodge of clubs. A wild card like sidewinders or predators (maybe team md) could also send a team. They will all get smoked.

FCA, hawks, next level, and crabs would have to bring in 28s to replace 27s that don’t make the cutoff. Contrary to popular belief it isn’t that many kids but completely not worth it to break up a team just to play one event. Also if the event is anything like body by Jake’s infomercial last year, this iteration is doomed. Throw in HoCo conflicts and you’ll get zero support for the mid Atlantic. However, big talent exists at 27 with the Advnc/aqua hounds from California and Kings from Colorado. They have a good shot to beat 91 machine who is the odds on favorite.

World Series Rules:

All players must be born on or after 9/1/2008 for the 13U division. Birth certificate submission will be required by each player
All players must compete with their program on a regular basis
Partnerships or alliances between two or more clubs to create a team is not permitted
Players can't be added to a roster only to particpate in the Lacrosse World Series Championship
A minimum of participating in two events (Leagues/Tournaments) outside of a Lacrosse World Series Championship Event is required of each player. These events must precede the Championship event

All players must be born on or after 9/1/2008 for the 13U division. Birth certificate submission will be required by each player
All players must compete with their program on a regular basis
Partnerships or alliances between two or more clubs to create a team is not permitted
Players can't be added to a roster only to particpate in the Lacrosse World Series Championship
A minimum of participating in two events (Leagues/Tournaments) outside of a Lacrosse World Series Championship Event is required of each player. These events must precede the Championship event

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All players must be born on or after 9/1/2008 for the 13U division. Birth certificate submission will be required by each player
All players must compete with their program on a regular basis
Partnerships or alliances between two or more clubs to create a team is not permitted
Players can't be added to a roster only to particpate in the Lacrosse World Series Championship
A minimum of participating in two events (Leagues/Tournaments) outside of a Lacrosse World Series Championship Event is required of each player. These events must precede the Championship event

Is that the current version of rules or from the last year? The rules last year were not followed beyond the age verification.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All players must be born on or after 9/1/2008 for the 13U division. Birth certificate submission will be required by each player
All players must compete with their program on a regular basis
Partnerships or alliances between two or more clubs to create a team is not permitted
Players can't be added to a roster only to particpate in the Lacrosse World Series Championship
A minimum of participating in two events (Leagues/Tournaments) outside of a Lacrosse World Series Championship Event is required of each player. These events must precede the Championship event

Is that the current version of rules or from the last year? The rules last year were not followed beyond the age verification.

Correct. The kids who “played up” (hahahahaha) didn’t play with the older teams that I know of. I know of 2 teams that didn’t.

This years rules! Are not supposed to combine clubs!

This all has to be a hoax.

Where's the Chatter? How is HOCO gonna line up?
Who are the movers and shakers?

The new World Series championship website seems thrown together and unprofessional. Who is running it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where's the Chatter? How is HOCO gonna line up?
Who are the movers and shakers?

All the chatterbox dads held back to the 28 Hawks. That board has exploded for a reason.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where's the Chatter? How is HOCO gonna line up?
Who are the movers and shakers?

All the chatterbox dads held back to the 28 Hawks. That board has exploded for a reason.

Hawks 28 dads, bad group? What’s the deal

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All players must be born on or after 9/1/2008 for the 13U division. Birth certificate submission will be required by each player
All players must compete with their program on a regular basis
Partnerships or alliances between two or more clubs to create a team is not permitted
Players can't be added to a roster only to particpate in the Lacrosse World Series Championship
A minimum of participating in two events (Leagues/Tournaments) outside of a Lacrosse World Series Championship Event is required of each player. These events must precede the Championship event

Getting two events in under your belt before WS shouldn’t be a problem but explaining to the players/parents that are of age that they won’t get much playing time because of the added outside players for this one event could be a headache for the coaches.

Is there a geographic requirement i.e. players need to live within x miles to play on the same team?

Or will national teams be allowed as long as they play 2 tourneys together prior to the World Series?

100 miles and you have to be part of the regular roster. The old organizer never verified this. For that matter, the old organizer didn't care who entered so long as the check didn't bounce.

How many teams do you know have any players on a 7th grade club team with players living over 100 miles away?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

100 miles and you have to be part of the regular roster. The old organizer never verified this. For that matter, the old organizer didn't care who entered so long as the check didn't bounce.

How many teams do you know have any players on a 7th grade club team with players living over 100 miles away?

Sweetlax, FL has kids who live in Baltimore on the team.
So yes, it happens.
Pathetic, but it happens.

True, 3D, Mad Dog, ADVNC, UNRL, etc all have national teams with kids from multiple states that play together in some tourneys. I'm guessing many of the western teams draw kids from over 100 miles i.e. West Coast Starz, Colorado Kings, Texas Mustangs.

I'm sure the tourney doesn't want to discourage these western programs from participating . . . but including these national programs would change the feel of the event. I'm not sure of the best way to address this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

100 miles and you have to be part of the regular roster. The old organizer never verified this. For that matter, the old organizer didn't care who entered so long as the check didn't bounce.

How many teams do you know have any players on a 7th grade club team with players living over 100 miles away?

Not sure if you want the names of clubs or if this is a competition to see who can name more.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

100 miles and you have to be part of the regular roster. The old organizer never verified this. For that matter, the old organizer didn't care who entered so long as the check didn't bounce.

How many teams do you know have any players on a 7th grade club team with players living over 100 miles away?

Sweetlax, FL has kids who live in Baltimore on the team.
So yes, it happens.
Pathetic, but it happens.

Sorry your son got bumped. Have him Hit The Wall !!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True, 3D, Mad Dog, ADVNC, UNRL, etc all have national teams with kids from multiple states that play together in some tourneys. I'm guessing many of the western teams draw kids from over 100 miles i.e. West Coast Starz, Colorado Kings, Texas Mustangs.

I'm sure the tourney doesn't want to discourage these western programs from participating . . . but including these national programs would change the feel of the event. I'm not sure of the best way to address this.

The Colorado Kings pull from a 40 mile radius in south Denver. They are not a national team. The Texas Mustangs pull from the Dallas area.. The Colorado Kings have a WSYL team, but I don’t believe the Mustangs will have one as several of their players age out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

100 miles and you have to be part of the regular roster. The old organizer never verified this. For that matter, the old organizer didn't care who entered so long as the check didn't bounce.

How many teams do you know have any players on a 7th grade club team with players living over 100 miles away?

Sweetlax, FL has kids who live in Baltimore on the team.
So yes, it happens.
Pathetic, but it happens.

Sorry your son got bumped. Have him Hit The Wall !!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

100 miles and you have to be part of the regular roster. The old organizer never verified this. For that matter, the old organizer didn't care who entered so long as the check didn't bounce.

How many teams do you know have any players on a 7th grade club team with players living over 100 miles away?

Sweetlax, FL has kids who live in Baltimore on the team.
So yes, it happens.
Pathetic, but it happens.

Sorry your son got bumped. Have him Hit The Wall !!

What do you expect? MD kids will always beat out FL kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True, 3D, Mad Dog, ADVNC, UNRL, etc all have national teams with kids from multiple states that play together in some tourneys. I'm guessing many of the western teams draw kids from over 100 miles i.e. West Coast Starz, Colorado Kings, Texas Mustangs.

I'm sure the tourney doesn't want to discourage these western programs from participating . . . but including these national programs would change the feel of the event. I'm not sure of the best way to address this.

They aren’t discouraging the clubs, they are discouraging the club’s national teams. Highly unlikely it will be enforced.

Can’t wait to see the quality of the qualifiers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True, 3D, Mad Dog, ADVNC, UNRL, etc all have national teams with kids from multiple states that play together in some tourneys. I'm guessing many of the western teams draw kids from over 100 miles i.e. West Coast Starz, Colorado Kings, Texas Mustangs.

I'm sure the tourney doesn't want to discourage these western programs from participating . . . but including these national programs would change the feel of the event. I'm not sure of the best way to address this.

The Colorado Kings pull from a 40 mile radius in south Denver. They are not a national team. The Texas Mustangs pull from the Dallas area.. The Colorado Kings have a WSYL team, but I don’t believe the Mustangs will have one as several of their players age out.

So the Kings didn’t have players from Texas on the squad that won NLF in the summer? I heard otherwise.

They did. I don’t know the affiliation between the 2 clubs but they do seem to coordinate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They did. I don’t know the affiliation between the 2 clubs but they do seem to coordinate.

I had no idea that any part of Texas was within a 40 mile radius of Denver.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They did. I don’t know the affiliation between the 2 clubs but they do seem to coordinate.

I had no idea that any part of Texas was within a 40 mile radius of Denver.

I guess geophagy wasnt your best subject

I know that folks are trying to pull WSYL together, but I will be surprised if it happens. Qualifiers are in just over a month, and it would need to be further along if it was for real.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They did. I don’t know the affiliation between the 2 clubs but they do seem to coordinate.

I had no idea that any part of Texas was within a 40 mile radius of Denver.

Mustangs were at NLF as well, so don’t think they coordinate. They are a Denver club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True, 3D, Mad Dog, ADVNC, UNRL, etc all have national teams with kids from multiple states that play together in some tourneys. I'm guessing many of the western teams draw kids from over 100 miles i.e. West Coast Starz, Colorado Kings, Texas Mustangs.

I'm sure the tourney doesn't want to discourage these western programs from participating . . . but including these national programs would change the feel of the event. I'm not sure of the best way to address this.

The Colorado Kings pull from a 40 mile radius in south Denver. They are not a national team. The Texas Mustangs pull from the Dallas area.. The Colorado Kings have a WSYL team, but I don’t believe the Mustangs will have one as several of their players age out.

So the Kings didn’t have players from Texas on the squad that won NLF in the summer? I heard otherwise.

You guys just can’t cope with losing to a team from Colorado. Give props where it’s due. That team is good and not a national team. The Kings and Mustangs play together at Nationals LC. That’s it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True, 3D, Mad Dog, ADVNC, UNRL, etc all have national teams with kids from multiple states that play together in some tourneys. I'm guessing many of the western teams draw kids from over 100 miles i.e. West Coast Starz, Colorado Kings, Texas Mustangs.

I'm sure the tourney doesn't want to discourage these western programs from participating . . . but including these national programs would change the feel of the event. I'm not sure of the best way to address this.

The Colorado Kings pull from a 40 mile radius in south Denver. They are not a national team. The Texas Mustangs pull from the Dallas area.. The Colorado Kings have a WSYL team, but I don’t believe the Mustangs will have one as several of their players age out.

So the Kings didn’t have players from Texas on the squad that won NLF in the summer? I heard otherwise.

You guys just can’t cope with losing to a team from Colorado. Give props where it’s due. That team is good and not a national team. The Kings and Mustangs play together at Nationals LC. That’s it.

HOCO Rules!!!

Do we have a list of the elite teams for hoco yet?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do we have a list of the elite teams for hoco yet?

MadLax
Hawks
NextLevel

Same as last year, no change: Hawks, NL, ML, Crabs, FCA, Team 91, Team MD, Sidewinders.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Same as last year, no change: Hawks, NL, ML, Crabs, FCA, Team 91, Team MD, Sidewinders.

No way sidewinders are in elite. When was the last time they won a game?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Same as last year, no change: Hawks, NL, ML, Crabs, FCA, Team 91, Team MD, Sidewinders.

I thought True Annapolis had to move up because they went undefeated in AAA…?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Same as last year, no change: Hawks, NL, ML, Crabs, FCA, Team 91, Team MD, Sidewinders.

No way sidewinders are in elite. When was the last time they won a game?

Sidewinders picked up a bunch of MESA players since they folded. They had wins against DCE and VLC and tied Madlax this fall so could make an argument to stay in Elite IF they wanted.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Same as last year, no change: Hawks, NL, ML, Crabs, FCA, Team 91, Team MD, Sidewinders.

No way sidewinders are in elite. When was the last time they won a game?

Sidewinders picked up a bunch of MESA players since they folded. They had wins against DCE and VLC and tied Madlax this fall so could make an argument to stay in Elite IF they wanted.

DCE? So they played up? Tying Madlax says more about how far they have fallen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Same as last year, no change: Hawks, NL, ML, Crabs, FCA, Team 91, Team MD, Sidewinders.

No way sidewinders are in elite. When was the last time they won a game?

Sidewinders picked up a bunch of MESA players since they folded. They had wins against DCE and VLC and tied Madlax this fall so could make an argument to stay in Elite IF they wanted.

DCE? So they played up? Tying Madlax says more about how far they have fallen.

Madlax to AAA?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Same as last year, no change: Hawks, NL, ML, Crabs, FCA, Team 91, Team MD, Sidewinders.

No way sidewinders are in elite. When was the last time they won a game?

Sidewinders picked up a bunch of MESA players since they folded. They had wins against DCE and VLC and tied Madlax this fall so could make an argument to stay in Elite IF they wanted.

DCE? So they played up? Tying Madlax says more about how far they have fallen.

Madlax to AAA?

hahahaha, CM would blow a gasket.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Same as last year, no change: Hawks, NL, ML, Crabs, FCA, Team 91, Team MD, Sidewinders.

No way sidewinders are in elite. When was the last time they won a game?

Sidewinders picked up a bunch of MESA players since they folded. They had wins against DCE and VLC and tied Madlax this fall so could make an argument to stay in Elite IF they wanted.

DCE? So they played up? Tying Madlax says more about how far they have fallen.

Madlax to AAA?

You wish. still butt hurt from that 9-2 beat down?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Same as last year, no change: Hawks, NL, ML, Crabs, FCA, Team 91, Team MD, Sidewinders.

No way sidewinders are in elite. When was the last time they won a game?

Sidewinders picked up a bunch of MESA players since they folded. They had wins against DCE and VLC and tied Madlax this fall so could make an argument to stay in Elite IF they wanted.

DCE? So they played up? Tying Madlax says more about how far they have fallen.

Madlax to AAA?

You wish. still butt hurt from that 9-2 beat down?

Yeah that must be it. Now go get your dangles untangled from your zipper 1/4 zip dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Same as last year, no change: Hawks, NL, ML, Crabs, FCA, Team 91, Team MD, Sidewinders.

No way sidewinders are in elite. When was the last time they won a game?

Sidewinders picked up a bunch of MESA players since they folded. They had wins against DCE and VLC and tied Madlax this fall so could make an argument to stay in Elite IF they wanted.

DCE? So they played up? Tying Madlax says more about how far they have fallen.

Was there actually player movement with Madlax, or is it just fallball where they don’t have their full roster?

Was there actually player movement with Madlax, or is it just fallball where they don’t have their full roster?[/quote]

Sorry Madlax dad, Cabell doesn't do fall rosters when he's constantly holding tryouts and trying to imtimidate players. Madlax fell off because of the ridiculous merger with the BLC coach and players. The player movement was some of their better players leaving for VLC, BLC and NL. Madlax is still a good team though and should challenge for 2nd place in HoCo

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was there actually player movement with Madlax, or is it just fallball where they don’t have their full roster?

Sorry Madlax dad, Cabell doesn't do fall rosters when he's constantly holding tryouts and trying to imtimidate players. Madlax fell off because of the ridiculous merger with the BLC coach and players. The player movement was some of their better players leaving for VLC, BLC and NL. Madlax is still a good team though and should challenge for 2nd place in HoCo[/quote]

"challenge for 2nd place" to who?

Next Level is loaded and is super well coached!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Same as last year, no change: Hawks, NL, ML, Crabs, FCA, Team 91, Team MD, Sidewinders.

I'm calling fake news on this. The only way Sidewinders is playing in Elite is if Ricky is forcing them to do so. They want no part of that again after last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next Level is loaded and is super well coached!!!

Hello Mr. Heeter

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was there actually player movement with Madlax, or is it just fallball where they don’t have their full roster?

Sorry Madlax dad, Cabell doesn't do fall rosters when he's constantly holding tryouts and trying to imtimidate players. Madlax fell off because of the ridiculous merger with the BLC coach and players. The player movement was some of their better players leaving for VLC, BLC and NL. Madlax is still a good team though and should challenge for 2nd place in HoCo[/quote]

Madlax was a much stronger team with the merger at first. They had about 35 players to choose from that they would double roster in fall tournaments. They they cut a bunch of BLC players and the weaker ML players for the spring. After that is when the families got tired of the BS due to the BLC coach taking over and that's when players left. The team will be lucky to challenge for the final four.

Madlax doesn't do fall rosters because it's easier to shuffle Capital kids to DMV games to keep that ranking/placement heading into the spring HoCO season high.

You mean Madlax shuffles players from sideline to sideline at the same tournament like they did last fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was there actually player movement with Madlax, or is it just fallball where they don’t have their full roster?

Sorry Madlax dad, Cabell doesn't do fall rosters when he's constantly holding tryouts and trying to imtimidate players. Madlax fell off because of the ridiculous merger with the BLC coach and players. The player movement was some of their better players leaving for VLC, BLC and NL. Madlax is still a good team though and should challenge for 2nd place in HoCo

Madlax was a much stronger team with the merger at first. They had about 35 players to choose from that they would double roster in fall tournaments. They they cut a bunch of BLC players and the weaker ML players for the spring. After that is when the families got tired of the BS due to the BLC coach taking over and that's when players left. The team will be lucky to challenge for the final four.[/quote]

Or they got cut because they played the same position as BLC coaches kid!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Same as last year, no change: Hawks, NL, ML, Crabs, FCA, Team 91, Team MD, Sidewinders.

Ok, if you have the inside info, what teams are in the rest of the divisions?

Stay in your lane.

Signed,
Team MD Dad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stay in your lane.

Signed,
Team MD Dad

Sorry you were triggered, lol. I didn't know talking about HOCO divisions was that controversial.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stay in your lane.

Signed,
Team MD Dad

Easy there Big Girl, Time to relax

It means Team MD should have stayed in AAA.

Who went AAA and AA? That is where all the issue is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who went AAA and AA? That is where all the issue is.

Did you really just a criticize a post and then you ask about the "issue" in AAA and AA. There might be 1 team moving from AAA to elite; and 1 from AA to AAA. Who cares about rec ball AA? Go ask your coach or club contact.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who went AAA and AA? That is where all the issue is.

Did you really just a criticize a post and then you ask about the "issue" in AAA and AA. There might be 1 team moving from AAA to elite; and 1 from AA to AAA. Who cares about rec ball AA? Go ask your coach or club contact.

I don't even know what the "issue" is - can somebody clue me in?

True Annapolis will not move up because that means an 0-8 record that is not good for business!! Keeping the revenue strong comes first!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True Annapolis will not move up because that means an 0-8 record that is not good for business!! Keeping the revenue strong comes first!!

Well, either True, Sidewinders or Zingos are going to have to move up. I know for a fact that Zingos and Sidewinders begged not to be in Elite last year. Ultimately Ricky forced Sidewinders to play elite. SInce True Annapolis was a relatively new team they were allowed to go where they had requested (AAA).

If you take any stock in the US Club Lacrosse rankings, which certain teams love to boast about, True Annapolis would be in Elite.

If you know anything about these teams you will notice that they very rarely play each other(outside of HoCo). Hmmm, I wonder why?

Is playing in the Elite DIvision going to be extremely tough and sometimes a little humiliating for these teams? Yes.

At the end of the season are they going to be a better team because of being forced to play at the highest level. Absolutely.

If your Son's goal is to always be getting better, to play the best lacrosse that he can, so that he can play at that top school he has his hopes on, then these Coaches need to stop hiding in AAA and step up.

So no one knows what the divisions are.

Not even Hoco. Divisions won't be set until the week after March 4th.

Anyone playing in the Elite6 tournament on February 26th at Blandair Park in Columbia?

elitesixchallenge.com

Really I don't think there is much change in the divisional alignment, only a few questions. Season opens on Saturday March 26th for '26 & '27 grad years and concludes the weekend of May 21st & 22nd. That makes for a 7 game schedule (assuming taking Easter w/e off as usual) unless there is a similar scheduling as last season where some teams played two games in a weekend. (Note that the numbers DO NOT indicate division standings, only serve as team count for that division).

Elite
1) Who will fill out the bottom two spots? My guess based on last spring and this fall results is that Team MD (White) will stay put and True Annapolis swaps with Sidewinders (as noted previously, Zingos doesn't like their players to be challenged so they won't move up). Best guess for teams:

E1 - Hawks
E2 - Next Level
E3 - ML Capital
E4 - Crabs
E5 - FCA MD
E6 - Team 91
E7 - Team MD
E8 - True Annapolis Green

AAA
With Mesa MD folding, Looney's apparently not fielding a '27 team and assuming the TA Green moves to Elite, that leaves two openings to fill out an 8-team division. So one question is do any teams from AA move up? None of the AA teams had any notable wins last fall as all the games H2H with other HoCo teams were mostly from A and B divisions. If a team moves it is most likely only Madlax DMV, and there is no information on any new programs (other than MD Predators which will be discussed below). If so then AAA looks like:

3A1 - Sidewinders Black
3A2 - Zingos Black
3A3 - VLC
3A4 - True KP
3A5 - Kooper's
3A6 - BLC Blue
3A7 - Madlax DMV
3A8 - Open?

AA
With the cascading effect of one team from both AAA and AA moving up, there would be an opening in the AA Division. Similar to the teams in this division, none of the A division teams had any notable wins which could be considered for the purposes of moving to AA, and historically established teams from A and B don't move up. So the big question is are Predators MD allowed to debut here or will they be regulated to A or B? Given the winless nature of their fall season I would bet on A or B. So then AA looks like:

2A1 - Team Maryland Red
2A2 - Gator Lacrose Club
2A3 - Cavalier
2A4 - True DC (formerly East Side Lacrosse)
2A5 - LTLC
2A6 - True Annapolis White
2A7 - BLC Orange
2A8 - Open?

A
Don't really see much change here, but there is potential if any of these teams decide (coerced?) to move to AA or if a new program is able to field a team (rumor mill has it that Baltimore Elite Lacrosse may have a '27 team this year). All things being equal, A could look like:

A1 - ALC Bay Raiders
A2 - True Baltimore
A3 - MD Cannons
A4 - HoCo Black
A5 - Rockfish Purple
A6 - Baltimore Swarm
A7 - Breakers
A8 - Zingos Blue

B
Over the past few years we've seen more rec programs offering a "club component" to provide more playing time and more competition for their teams (HLC, Kelly Post, OBGC, etc). This may the most challenging division to predict given the nature of these rec programs. But with some new additions to existing programs (Sidewinders, Rockfish, & MDX) and my guess that Predators will need to prove themselves in B, this is one guess for this division.

B1 - HLC
B2 - Ground Control
B3 - Top Caliber
B4 - Sidewinders Volt
B5 - MDX Red
B6 - Rockfish Neon
B7 - MDX North Blue
B8 - Predators

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really I don't think there is much change in the divisional alignment, only a few questions. Season opens on Saturday March 26th for '26 & '27 grad years and concludes the weekend of May 21st & 22nd. That makes for a 7 game schedule (assuming taking Easter w/e off as usual) unless there is a similar scheduling as last season where some teams played two games in a weekend. (Note that the numbers DO NOT indicate division standings, only serve as team count for that division).

Elite
1) Who will fill out the bottom two spots? My guess based on last spring and this fall results is that Team MD (White) will stay put and True Annapolis swaps with Sidewinders (as noted previously, Zingos doesn't like their players to be challenged so they won't move up). Best guess for teams:

E1 - Hawks
E2 - Next Level
E3 - ML Capital
E4 - Crabs
E5 - FCA MD
E6 - Team 91
E7 - Team MD
E8 - True Annapolis Green

AAA
With Mesa MD folding, Looney's apparently not fielding a '27 team and assuming the TA Green moves to Elite, that leaves two openings to fill out an 8-team division. So one question is do any teams from AA move up? None of the AA teams had any notable wins last fall as all the games H2H with other HoCo teams were mostly from A and B divisions. If a team moves it is most likely only Madlax DMV, and there is no information on any new programs (other than MD Predators which will be discussed below). If so then AAA looks like:

3A1 - Sidewinders Black
3A2 - Zingos Black
3A3 - VLC
3A4 - True KP
3A5 - Kooper's
3A6 - BLC Blue
3A7 - Madlax DMV
3A8 - Open?

B1 - HLC
B2 - Ground Control
B3 - Top Caliber
B4 - Sidewinders Volt
B5 - MDX Red
B6 - Rockfish Neon
B7 - MDX North Blue
B8 - Predators

So the entire Looneys 2027 squad goes to Predators and suddenly they go from AAA to B? That's weird.

Having seen them play VLC (I believe it was a 1 point game until an onslaught of VLC points at the end of the game), they are not horrible and should be lower AAA or top of AA. Based on that one game I saw, they would beat any team you listed in B, A, and probably AA. In your AAA list, they would not beat Zingoes, SW, VLC, BLC and 50/50 on Kelly Post. They would absolutely beat Madlax DMV, who should be in AA.

Are Hawks fielding a WSYL team?

[/quote] So the entire Looneys 2027 squad goes to Predators and suddenly they go from AAA to B? That's weird.

Having seen them play VLC (I believe it was a 1 point game until an onslaught of VLC points at the end of the game), they are not horrible and should be lower AAA or top of AA. Based on that one game I saw, they would beat any team you listed in B, A, and probably AA. In your AAA list, they would not beat Zingoes, SW, VLC, BLC and 50/50 on Kelly Post. They would absolutely beat Madlax DMV, who should be in AA.[/quote]

Except that they lost to Madlax DMV in the fall. Also winless in the fall and last spring as Looney's (plus 4-18 in the summer as Looney's). I could see them making a case for A but not AA or above.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[/quote] So the entire Looneys 2027 squad goes to Predators and suddenly they go from AAA to B? That's weird.

Having seen them play VLC (I believe it was a 1 point game until an onslaught of VLC points at the end of the game), they are not horrible and should be lower AAA or top of AA. Based on that one game I saw, they would beat any team you listed in B, A, and probably AA. In your AAA list, they would not beat Zingoes, SW, VLC, BLC and 50/50 on Kelly Post. They would absolutely beat Madlax DMV, who should be in AA.

Except that they lost to Madlax DMV in the fall. Also winless in the fall and last spring as Looney's (plus 4-18 in the summer as Looney's). I could see them making a case for A but not AA or above.[/quote]

My son plays for VLC and I saw the Predators this fall. They gave us and Bethesda a good game. We scored a couple late to win. MLDMV was sharing players all tournament, surprise, surprise. So take that score for what it's worth. The Predators are probably upper AA or lower AAA.

[quote=Anonymous]Are Hawks fielding a WSYL team?[/quote

Impossible. Their on age kids held back to 28 and their best kids still with 27s are actually 26s.

Their stud middie and attack would have had to play last year which I heard they did.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are Hawks fielding a WSYL team?

No.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are Hawks fielding a WSYL team?

No.

Heard they were, maybe not after last years team failed to make the final 4. Guess when you have to play on age you get exposed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really I don't think there is much change in the divisional alignment, only a few questions. Season opens on Saturday March 26th for '26 & '27 grad years and concludes the weekend of May 21st & 22nd. That makes for a 7 game schedule (assuming taking Easter w/e off as usual) unless there is a similar scheduling as last season where some teams played two games in a weekend. (Note that the numbers DO NOT indicate division standings, only serve as team count for that division).

Elite
1) Who will fill out the bottom two spots? My guess based on last spring and this fall results is that Team MD (White) will stay put and True Annapolis swaps with Sidewinders (as noted previously, Zingos doesn't like their players to be challenged so they won't move up). Best guess for teams:

E1 - Hawks
E2 - Next Level
E3 - ML Capital
E4 - Crabs
E5 - FCA MD
E6 - Team 91
E7 - Team MD
E8 - True Annapolis Green

AAA
With Mesa MD folding, Looney's apparently not fielding a '27 team and assuming the TA Green moves to Elite, that leaves two openings to fill out an 8-team division. So one question is do any teams from AA move up? None of the AA teams had any notable wins last fall as all the games H2H with other HoCo teams were mostly from A and B divisions. If a team moves it is most likely only Madlax DMV, and there is no information on any new programs (other than MD Predators which will be discussed below). If so then AAA looks like:

3A1 - Sidewinders Black
3A2 - Zingos Black
3A3 - VLC
3A4 - True KP
3A5 - Kooper's
3A6 - BLC Blue
3A7 - Madlax DMV
3A8 - Open?

AA
With the cascading effect of one team from both AAA and AA moving up, there would be an opening in the AA Division. Similar to the teams in this division, none of the A division teams had any notable wins which could be considered for the purposes of moving to AA, and historically established teams from A and B don't move up. So the big question is are Predators MD allowed to debut here or will they be regulated to A or B? Given the winless nature of their fall season I would bet on A or B. So then AA looks like:

2A1 - Team Maryland Red
2A2 - Gator Lacrose Club
2A3 - Cavalier
2A4 - True DC (formerly East Side Lacrosse)
2A5 - LTLC
2A6 - True Annapolis White
2A7 - BLC Orange
2A8 - Open?

A
Don't really see much change here, but there is potential if any of these teams decide (coerced?) to move to AA or if a new program is able to field a team (rumor mill has it that Baltimore Elite Lacrosse may have a '27 team this year). All things being equal, A could look like:

A1 - ALC Bay Raiders
A2 - True Baltimore
A3 - MD Cannons
A4 - HoCo Black
A5 - Rockfish Purple
A6 - Baltimore Swarm
A7 - Breakers
A8 - Zingos Blue

B
Over the past few years we've seen more rec programs offering a "club component" to provide more playing time and more competition for their teams (HLC, Kelly Post, OBGC, etc). This may the most challenging division to predict given the nature of these rec programs. But with some new additions to existing programs (Sidewinders, Rockfish, & MDX) and my guess that Predators will need to prove themselves in B, this is one guess for this division.

B1 - HLC
B2 - Ground Control
B3 - Top Caliber
B4 - Sidewinders Volt
B5 - MDX Red
B6 - Rockfish Neon
B7 - MDX North Blue
B8 - Predators

Only 32 teams have registered for 2027. That would make 4 divisions, 8 teams each.

Only team i know from this area playing WSYL at this age is True.

It’s crazy how whenever the focus shifts to aged based lacrosse everyone around here suddenly has something else to do that day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only team i know from this area playing WSYL at this age is True.

It’s crazy how whenever the focus shifts to aged based lacrosse everyone around here suddenly has something else to do that day.

So true.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only team i know from this area playing WSYL at this age is True.

It’s crazy how whenever the focus shifts to aged based lacrosse everyone around here suddenly has something else to do that day.

True is in it because they are the ones running it and it is a disaster.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only team i know from this area playing WSYL at this age is True.

It’s crazy how whenever the focus shifts to aged based lacrosse everyone around here suddenly has something else to do that day.

Last year and years before they were hundreds of area kids participating. So your statement doesn't hold water.

It's just another tournament on the schedule this year. If True Annapolis is the only DC/Balt competitve team, I wouldn't imagine it will be a very good tournament. Kind of like an Aloha 2nd tier tourney. Why is it a disaster and are the Long Island teams taking it seriously?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the entire Looneys 2027 squad goes to Predators and suddenly they go from AAA to B? That's weird.

Having seen them play VLC (I believe it was a 1 point game until an onslaught of VLC points at the end of the game), they are not horrible and should be lower AAA or top of AA. Based on that one game I saw, they would beat any team you listed in B, A, and probably AA. In your AAA list, they would not beat Zingoes, SW, VLC, BLC and 50/50 on Kelly Post. They would absolutely beat Madlax DMV, who should be in AA.

Except that they lost to Madlax DMV in the fall. Also winless in the fall and last spring as Looney's (plus 4-18 in the summer as Looney's). I could see them making a case for A but not AA or above.[/quote]

My son plays for VLC and I saw the Predators this fall. They gave us and Bethesda a good game. We scored a couple late to win. MLDMV was sharing players all tournament, surprise, surprise. So take that score for what it's worth. The Predators are probably upper AA or lower AAA.[/quote]

LOL I have no love for Madlax or Predators but we were at that tournament and I laughed at loud at the (noticeably larger) "DMV 2027" players shuffling in and out, pre-game. I hope they didn't lose any games that tournament, because that would just be embarrassing. I believe they "accidentally" got bracketed against 2028 Predators as well. Oops!

Why the Preds directors would be so cavalier as to enter a ML event with every factor (sketchy roster subs, holdbacks, actual talent, cohesive teams) stacked against your Looneys Heroes is a mystery too, ha ha.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only team i know from this area playing WSYL at this age is True.

It’s crazy how whenever the focus shifts to aged based lacrosse everyone around here suddenly has something else to do that day.

Last year and years before they were hundreds of area kids participating. So your statement doesn't hold water.

Has any area team ever won or come close to winning ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the entire Looneys 2027 squad goes to Predators and suddenly they go from AAA to B? That's weird.

Having seen them play VLC (I believe it was a 1 point game until an onslaught of VLC points at the end of the game), they are not horrible and should be lower AAA or top of AA. Based on that one game I saw, they would beat any team you listed in B, A, and probably AA. In your AAA list, they would not beat Zingoes, SW, VLC, BLC and 50/50 on Kelly Post. They would absolutely beat Madlax DMV, who should be in AA.

Except that they lost to Madlax DMV in the fall. Also winless in the fall and last spring as Looney's (plus 4-18 in the summer as Looney's). I could see them making a case for A but not AA or above.

My son plays for VLC and I saw the Predators this fall. They gave us and Bethesda a good game. We scored a couple late to win. MLDMV was sharing players all tournament, surprise, surprise. So take that score for what it's worth. The Predators are probably upper AA or lower AAA.

LOL I have no love for Madlax or Predators but we were at that tournament and I laughed at loud at the (noticeably larger) "DMV 2027" players shuffling in and out, pre-game. I hope they didn't lose any games that tournament, because that would just be embarrassing. I believe they "accidentally" got bracketed against 2028 Predators as well. Oops!

Why the Preds directors would be so cavalier as to enter a ML event with every factor (sketchy roster subs, holdbacks, actual talent, cohesive teams) stacked against your Looneys Heroes is a mystery too, ha ha.

Predators are up for any challenge, unlike many holdback teams. Sorry your son didnt make Predators this year, always next year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only team i know from this area playing WSYL at this age is True.

It’s crazy how whenever the focus shifts to aged based lacrosse everyone around here suddenly has something else to do that day.

Last year and years before they were hundreds of area kids participating. So your statement doesn't hold water.

Has any area team ever won or come close to winning ?

No. Black ops placed 4th last year and that was a super team made up of multiple clubs and hawks placed 6th.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only team i know from this area playing WSYL at this age is True.

It’s crazy how whenever the focus shifts to aged based lacrosse everyone around here suddenly has something else to do that day.

Last year and years before they were hundreds of area kids participating. So your statement doesn't hold water.

Has any area team ever won or come close to winning ?

No. Black ops placed 4th last year and that was a super team made up of multiple clubs and hawks placed 6th.

I guess it’s good news that lacrosse is grade based not age based.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only team i know from this area playing WSYL at this age is True.

It’s crazy how whenever the focus shifts to aged based lacrosse everyone around here suddenly has something else to do that day.

Last year and years before they were hundreds of area kids participating. So your statement doesn't hold water.

Has any area team ever won or come close to winning ?

No. Black ops placed 4th last year and that was a super team made up of multiple clubs and hawks placed 6th.

I guess it’s good news that lacrosse is grade based not age based.

If lacrosse was age based every team would look different. Imagine the reverse ripple and shuffling of players to form all age based teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the entire Looneys 2027 squad goes to Predators and suddenly they go from AAA to B? That's weird.

Having seen them play VLC (I believe it was a 1 point game until an onslaught of VLC points at the end of the game), they are not horrible and should be lower AAA or top of AA. Based on that one game I saw, they would beat any team you listed in B, A, and probably AA. In your AAA list, they would not beat Zingoes, SW, VLC, BLC and 50/50 on Kelly Post. They would absolutely beat Madlax DMV, who should be in AA.

Except that they lost to Madlax DMV in the fall. Also winless in the fall and last spring as Looney's (plus 4-18 in the summer as Looney's). I could see them making a case for A but not AA or above.

My son plays for VLC and I saw the Predators this fall. They gave us and Bethesda a good game. We scored a couple late to win. MLDMV was sharing players all tournament, surprise, surprise. So take that score for what it's worth. The Predators are probably upper AA or lower AAA.

LOL I have no love for Madlax or Predators but we were at that tournament and I laughed at loud at the (noticeably larger) "DMV 2027" players shuffling in and out, pre-game. I hope they didn't lose any games that tournament, because that would just be embarrassing. I believe they "accidentally" got bracketed against 2028 Predators as well. Oops!

Why the Preds directors would be so cavalier as to enter a ML event with every factor (sketchy roster subs, holdbacks, actual talent, cohesive teams) stacked against your Looneys Heroes is a mystery too, ha ha.

Predators are up for any challenge, unlike many holdback teams. Sorry your son didnt make Predators this year, always next year

So Preds are registered for the March Kickoff Invitational AA division? Should be fun to watch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only team i know from this area playing WSYL at this age is True.

It’s crazy how whenever the focus shifts to aged based lacrosse everyone around here suddenly has something else to do that day.

Last year and years before they were hundreds of area kids participating. So your statement doesn't hold water.

Has any area team ever won or come close to winning ?

No. Black ops placed 4th last year and that was a super team made up of multiple clubs and hawks placed 6th.

I guess it’s good news that lacrosse is grade based not age based.

If lacrosse was age based every team would look different. Imagine the reverse ripple and shuffling of players to form all age based teams.

Imagine how different some allegedly super star players parents would feel. holdback parents have feelings to.

And if there was world peace Russia wouldn't have 200k troops on the border of Ukraine.

my kid plays for a team that won’t be fielding a WSYL roster. He is bummed and has been looking forward to playing for a long time.

Besides true are there any other teams around here that might try to play?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

my kid plays for a team that won’t be fielding a WSYL roster. He is bummed and has been looking forward to playing for a long time.

Besides true are there any other teams around here that might try to play?

Hawks Madlax could probably use some on age players

Originally Posted by Anonymous

my kid plays for a team that won’t be fielding a WSYL roster. He is bummed and has been looking forward to playing for a long time.

Besides true are there any other teams around here that might try to play?

Hawks Madlax could probably use some on age players

The top three 2027 teams in HoCo (NextLevel, Hawks, and MadLax) are loaded with holdbacks. You would be hard pressed to field a world series team combining all three, which is probably why none of them are participating. Not a complaint, just a fact.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

my kid plays for a team that won’t be fielding a WSYL roster. He is bummed and has been looking forward to playing for a long time.

Besides true are there any other teams around here that might try to play?

Hawks Madlax could probably use some on age players

The top three 2027 teams in HoCo (NextLevel, Hawks, and MadLax) are loaded with holdbacks. You would be hard pressed to field a world series team combining all three, which is probably why none of them are participating. Not a complaint, just a fact.

They have age appropriate kids in each of those programs, why not compete vs other who are all using U13 players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

my kid plays for a team that won’t be fielding a WSYL roster. He is bummed and has been looking forward to playing for a long time.

Besides true are there any other teams around here that might try to play?

Hawks Madlax could probably use some on age players

The top three 2027 teams in HoCo (NextLevel, Hawks, and MadLax) are loaded with holdbacks. You would be hard pressed to field a world series team combining all three, which is probably why none of them are participating. Not a complaint, just a fact.

Not entirely accurate. NL has a handful, Hawks fewer than you think, but Madlax may only have 2-3 on age.

If Hawks wanted to play I would imagine they could do what the 26s did last year and pull kids up from the 28s. I don’t think they want to enter the tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

my kid plays for a team that won’t be fielding a WSYL roster. He is bummed and has been looking forward to playing for a long time.

Besides true are there any other teams around here that might try to play?

Hawks Madlax could probably use some on age players

The top three 2027 teams in HoCo (NextLevel, Hawks, and MadLax) are loaded with holdbacks. You would be hard pressed to field a world series team combining all three, which is probably why none of them are participating. Not a complaint, just a fact.

Not entirely accurate. NL has a handful, Hawks fewer than you think, but Madlax may only have 2-3 on age.

You definitely are wrong about MadLax, because they posted a preliminary world series roster online, and 10 or 11 of their regular 2027s were listed, not 2-3. Your estimate on NextLevel is equally off base. I honestly don't know about the Hawks.

Madlax outed their team when they briefly posted they were reviving Monuments and were looking for players. They posted the 2027's who were already on the team and their positions. It was obvious these were the on age players based on the list. They'd have to play the older 2028's like they did last year and get beat like last year. But according to the 2028 Dad's, the 2028 ML team is better than the 2027.

But the World Series event is hardly what it was. The list of east teams participating are 2 elite, 1 AAA, 2 AA and a few rec teams. The big DC Baltimore teams took a look and said no thanks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax outed their team when they briefly posted they were reviving Monuments and were looking for players. They posted the 2027's who were already on the team and their positions. It was obvious these were the on age players based on the list. They'd have to play the older 2028's like they did last year and get beat like last year. But according to the 2028 Dad's, the 2028 ML team is better than the 2027.

But the World Series event is hardly what it was. The list of east teams participating are 2 elite, 1 AAA, 2 AA and a few rec teams. The big DC Baltimore teams took a look and said no thanks.

The reason why they said no thanks is because they’re rosters can’t compete on aged based play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax outed their team when they briefly posted they were reviving Monuments and were looking for players. They posted the 2027's who were already on the team and their positions. It was obvious these were the on age players based on the list. They'd have to play the older 2028's like they did last year and get beat like last year. But according to the 2028 Dad's, the 2028 ML team is better than the 2027.

But the World Series event is hardly what it was. The list of east teams participating are 2 elite, 1 AAA, 2 AA and a few rec teams. The big DC Baltimore teams took a look and said no thanks.

The reason why they said no thanks is because they’re rosters can’t compete on aged based play.

Money grab event, no thanks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only team i know from this area playing WSYL at this age is True.

It’s crazy how whenever the focus shifts to aged based lacrosse everyone around here suddenly has something else to do that day.

Last year and years before they were hundreds of area kids participating. So your statement doesn't hold water.

Has any area team ever won or come close to winning ?

No. Black ops placed 4th last year and that was a super team made up of multiple clubs and hawks placed 6th.

Most WSYL teams are "super teams" made for that tournament. Express normally is an all LI team, is an all tristate area team for the WSYL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax outed their team when they briefly posted they were reviving Monuments and were looking for players. They posted the 2027's who were already on the team and their positions. It was obvious these were the on age players based on the list. They'd have to play the older 2028's like they did last year and get beat like last year. But according to the 2028 Dad's, the 2028 ML team is better than the 2027.

But the World Series event is hardly what it was. The list of east teams participating are 2 elite, 1 AAA, 2 AA and a few rec teams. The big DC Baltimore teams took a look and said no thanks.

The reason why they said no thanks is because they’re rosters can’t compete on aged based play.

Money grab event, no thanks.

Let’s try - getting exposed event

I think that if the better teams in the area wanted to take WSYL seriously they would and could.

The problem is as, alluded to earlier it would require exposing how old the teams are at the 26, 27 and 28 levels.

It seems teams and parents would rather keep operating under a shroud of age secrecy (which isn’t a secret btw; the kids know how old each other are) than play in what should be the most fun and equitable tournament around.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax outed their team when they briefly posted they were reviving Monuments and were looking for players. They posted the 2027's who were already on the team and their positions. It was obvious these were the on age players based on the list. They'd have to play the older 2028's like they did last year and get beat like last year. But according to the 2028 Dad's, the 2028 ML team is better than the 2027.

But the World Series event is hardly what it was. The list of east teams participating are 2 elite, 1 AAA, 2 AA and a few rec teams. The big DC Baltimore teams took a look and said no thanks.

The reason why they said no thanks is because they’re rosters can’t compete on aged based play.

Money grab event, no thanks.

Let’s try - getting exposed event

Definitely getting exposed event. And all events can be looked at as money grabs so that’s a moot point.

For 2027 parents/kids still looking for a home this spring:

FCA looking for a second LSM.

Koopers looking for goalie.

Predators looking for a fogo.

LTLC looking for multiple middies.

Have a great spring, everyone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Madlax outed their team when they briefly posted they were reviving Monuments and were looking for players. They posted the 2027's who were already on the team and their positions. It was obvious these were the on age players based on the list. They'd have to play the older 2028's like they did last year and get beat like last year. But according to the 2028 Dad's, the 2028 ML team is better than the 2027.

But the World Series event is hardly what it was. The list of east teams participating are 2 elite, 1 AAA, 2 AA and a few rec teams. The big DC Baltimore teams took a look and said no thanks.

The reason why they said no thanks is because they’re rosters can’t compete on aged based play.

Money grab event, no thanks.

Let’s try - getting exposed event

Definitely getting exposed event. And all events can be looked at as money grabs so that’s a moot point.

The only team from the DMV is True Annapolis Green, LOL! There is no more arguing about it, Maryland is the King of the holdback!

That's a big part but there was a lot more. The Germantown venue was a big dropoff from Denver along with poor planning at the dinner venue; the organizers were really late in getting the word out and the web site really only came together about a month ago; the qualifier competition slots were taken quickly by really bad teams leaving a really bad quality tourney; the organizers made an intial stink about the super teams and then backed off but way too late; and the organizers didn't take into account HoCo for some reason.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's a big part but there was a lot more. The Germantown venue was a big dropoff from Denver along with poor planning at the dinner venue; the organizers were really late in getting the word out and the web site really only came together about a month ago; the qualifier competition slots were taken quickly by really bad teams leaving a really bad quality tourney; the organizers made an intial stink about the super teams and then backed off but way too late; and the organizers didn't take into account HoCo for some reason.

1. That venue was awesome. The fields were immaculate.
2. Banquet was terrible. Way too many people and body by Jake was being a self promoting jack butt and wouldn’t shut his pie hole.
3. The quality of teams at the tourney was very good. There will always be some lower quality teams from out west and down south but the final 8 teams were all legit.
4. The only super team that made any noise in the 13U division was black ops. That team should have not been allowed to enter.
All in all a very good event with a level playing field.

1. Germantown is not Denver.
2. Glad you agree
3. Talking about this year, not last. The early entry teams aren’t very good.
4. And those combined teams weren’t being allowed this year which held down interest.

Yes, last year’s event was okay but not as good as the prior one and this year’s, including qualifiers, wouldn’t be as good as last.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For 2027 parents/kids still looking for a home this spring:

FCA looking for a second LSM.

Koopers looking for goalie.

Predators looking for a fogo.

LTLC looking for multiple middies.

Have a great spring, everyone.

New to the area. Thanks for this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. Germantown is not Denver.
2. Glad you agree
3. Talking about this year, not last. The early entry teams aren’t very good.
4. And those combined teams weren’t being allowed this year which held down interest.

Yes, last year’s event was okay but not as good as the prior one and this year’s, including qualifiers, wouldn’t be as good as last.

I concur!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. Germantown is not Denver.
2. Glad you agree
3. Talking about this year, not last. The early entry teams aren’t very good.
4. And those combined teams weren’t being allowed this year which held down interest.

Yes, last year’s event was okay but not as good as the prior one and this year’s, including qualifiers, wouldn’t be as good as last.

I concur!

You might see a good fight during team dinner if the LI parent's keep it classy again!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. Germantown is not Denver.
2. Glad you agree
3. Talking about this year, not last. The early entry teams aren’t very good.
4. And those combined teams weren’t being allowed this year which held down interest.

Yes, last year’s event was okay but not as good as the prior one and this year’s, including qualifiers, wouldn’t be as good as last.

I concur!

You might see a good fight during team dinner if the LI parent's keep it classy again!

Any word on if the Hawks, Madlax or next level are going ?

None of them

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For 2027 parents/kids still looking for a home this spring:

FCA looking for a second LSM.

Koopers looking for goalie.

Predators looking for a fogo.

LTLC looking for multiple middies.

Have a great spring, everyone.

If my son is interested, do I just reach out to the clubs?

Yes. They should be willing to let him practice a few times with the team and give you a recommendation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes. They should be willing to let him practice a few times with the team and give you a recommendation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For 2027 parents/kids still looking for a home this spring:

FCA looking for a second LSM.

Koopers looking for goalie.

Predators looking for a fogo.

LTLC looking for multiple middies.

Have a great spring, everyone.

If my son is interested, do I just reach out to the clubs?

Yes. Most have Instagram pages or websites. They will probably give him a couple practices to get a look, and then let you know if he’s what they are looking for.

All of the clubs listed are decent programs with good, lacrosse people. if your son is looking to upgrade from his current situations they would probably be good places to go. And if it’s not a fit, those clubsmight be able to recommend someplace else.

Good luck.

How does someone know what these 27 teams are looking for. All the teams listed are looking for athletes. Everybody needs middies in youth lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

None of them

So weak.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

None of them

So weak.

Embarrassing for the region - so much lacrosse history yet we can’t field teams to play one age based tournament.

Anyone else notice SCHWARTZBERG, RICKY J. the head of PLC was charged with a felony in embezzlement? I don't know how many teams are there but it seems very disappointing someone can take people for such a ride.

Both hawks and Madlax have played before. I’m not a parent of neither team but given the HoCo schedule and the way it was Theron together it’s not really conducive to participate in.

There's always SMYLA and WMYLA. But if you took one look at the competition, rules, locations, costs... you'd have a pretty good understanding of why. There's just not enough room or interest for 2 sets of competition rules.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

None of them

So weak.

Embarrassing for the region - so much lacrosse history yet we can’t field teams to play one age based tournament.

It’s a crappy, rehash, cash grab of a tourney anyway. We’ll keep feeding the MIAA and colleges across the country.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Both hawks and Madlax have played before. I’m not a parent of neither team but given the HoCo schedule and the way it was Theron together it’s not really conducive to participate in.

You are kidding right?

Most holdback centric teams thoughtfully scheduled to avoid the World Series.

I honestly don’t blame them as there is no good reason for holdback centric teams to ever compete on age in this sport today.

And getting out of the way to let their on age kids compete in the event somehow is just not worth the time and effort of club owners.

So much easier for holdback centric club owners to badmouth the World Series or better yet create a very competitive money making event that conflicts with the World Series.

No one is going to change this reality unless youth lacrosse moves to age based.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Both hawks and Madlax have played before. I’m not a parent of neither team but given the HoCo schedule and the way it was Theron together it’s not really conducive to participate in.

You are kidding right?

Most holdback centric teams thoughtfully scheduled to avoid the World Series.

I honestly don’t blame them as there is no good reason for holdback centric teams to ever compete on age in this sport today.

And getting out of the way to let their on age kids compete in the event somehow is just not worth the time and effort of club owners.

So much easier for holdback centric club owners to badmouth the World Series or better yet create a very competitive money making event that conflicts with the World Series.

No one is going to change this reality unless youth lacrosse moves to age based.

You do make any sense. Thoughtfully scheduled to avoid the World Series lol? Think about what you are saying dude.

And again I’m not a parent of either hawks or Madlax. But the holdback 28s on hawks and the on age 27s on hawks would do just fine I reckon.

The issue isn’t talent - it’s programs would have to expose how old they really are. Which no one seems to want to do especially for something like this new iteration of the WSYL.

And again, they have played before dude. I don’t know why that’s so hard for you to comprehend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Both hawks and Madlax have played before. I’m not a parent of neither team but given the HoCo schedule and the way it was Theron together it’s not really conducive to participate in.

You are kidding right?

Most holdback centric teams thoughtfully scheduled to avoid the World Series.

I honestly don’t blame them as there is no good reason for holdback centric teams to ever compete on age in this sport today.

And getting out of the way to let their on age kids compete in the event somehow is just not worth the time and effort of club owners.

So much easier for holdback centric club owners to badmouth the World Series or better yet create a very competitive money making event that conflicts with the World Series.

No one is going to change this reality unless youth lacrosse moves to age based.

You do make any sense. Thoughtfully scheduled to avoid the World Series lol? Think about what you are saying dude.

And again I’m not a parent of either hawks or Madlax. But the holdback 28s on hawks and the on age 27s on hawks would do just fine I reckon.

The issue isn’t talent - it’s programs would have to expose how old they really are. Which no one seems to want to do especially for something like this new iteration of the WSYL.

And again, they have played before dude. I don’t know why that’s so hard for you to comprehend.

You’re only proving my point bro. The risk of losing or exposing holdbacks far outweighs the benefit of winning. Agree they will be competitive playing on age, but not nearly as competitive when in grade based tournaments. Everyone knows this. And yes, they will schedule tournaments at same time as World Series and say their tournament is more competitive. Again, I don’t blame them as Lacrosse today is grade based.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Both hawks and Madlax have played before. I’m not a parent of neither team but given the HoCo schedule and the way it was Theron together it’s not really conducive to participate in.

You are kidding right?

Most holdback centric teams thoughtfully scheduled to avoid the World Series.

I honestly don’t blame them as there is no good reason for holdback centric teams to ever compete on age in this sport today.

And getting out of the way to let their on age kids compete in the event somehow is just not worth the time and effort of club owners.

So much easier for holdback centric club owners to badmouth the World Series or better yet create a very competitive money making event that conflicts with the World Series.

No one is going to change this reality unless youth lacrosse moves to age based.

You do make any sense. Thoughtfully scheduled to avoid the World Series lol? Think about what you are saying dude.

And again I’m not a parent of either hawks or Madlax. But the holdback 28s on hawks and the on age 27s on hawks would do just fine I reckon.

The issue isn’t talent - it’s programs would have to expose how old they really are. Which no one seems to want to do especially for something like this new iteration of the WSYL.

And again, they have played before dude. I don’t know why that’s so hard for you to comprehend.

You’re only proving my point bro. The risk of losing or exposing holdbacks far outweighs the benefit of winning. Agree they will be competitive playing on age, but not nearly as competitive when in grade based tournaments. Everyone knows this. And yes, they will schedule tournaments at same time as World Series and say their tournament is more competitive. Again, I don’t blame them as Lacrosse today is grade based.

Ok so we are on the same page with one exception. I don’t think anyone is ducking the WSYL by scheduling other tournaments. It’s just not looked at as anything of value. Even if there was nothing else going on I doubt many clubs would take serious this version of the TRUE series of youth lacrosse.

All that said - lacrosse should be aged based.

Club directors absolutely schedule to duck the WSYL. Not just to avoid playing on age but also to avoid their on age players playing with another team and risking losing that player altogether. Smart business to wrap up their best players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Both hawks and Madlax have played before. I’m not a parent of neither team but given the HoCo schedule and the way it was Theron together it’s not really conducive to participate in.

You are kidding right?

Most holdback centric teams thoughtfully scheduled to avoid the World Series.

I honestly don’t blame them as there is no good reason for holdback centric teams to ever compete on age in this sport today.

And getting out of the way to let their on age kids compete in the event somehow is just not worth the time and effort of club owners.

So much easier for holdback centric club owners to badmouth the World Series or better yet create a very competitive money making event that conflicts with the World Series.

No one is going to change this reality unless youth lacrosse moves to age based.

You do make any sense. Thoughtfully scheduled to avoid the World Series lol? Think about what you are saying dude.

And again I’m not a parent of either hawks or Madlax. But the holdback 28s on hawks and the on age 27s on hawks would do just fine I reckon.

The issue isn’t talent - it’s programs would have to expose how old they really are. Which no one seems to want to do especially for something like this new iteration of the WSYL.

And again, they have played before dude. I don’t know why that’s so hard for you to comprehend.

Hawks tried that last year and came in 6th. Pretty embarrassing if you ask me. Clearly, they didn’t want that type of attention nor did Madlax, Next Level etc.

So now that we have decided that no local teams are participating in this one tournament, can we move on to discuss the tournaments that they will participate in?

When does Hoco make their decisions about who gets placed in what division?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For 2027 parents/kids still looking for a home this spring:

FCA looking for a second LSM.

Koopers looking for goalie.

Predators looking for a fogo.

LTLC looking for multiple middies.

Have a great spring, everyone.

New to the area. Thanks for this.

Just got a couple call backs- thank you for the help!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When does Hoco make their decisions about who gets placed in what division?

The initial alignments should be leaked this week. Then depending on pushback from coaches there will be some adjustments made after the upcoming spring tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Both hawks and Madlax have played before. I’m not a parent of neither team but given the HoCo schedule and the way it was Theron together it’s not really conducive to participate in.

You are kidding right?

Most holdback centric teams thoughtfully scheduled to avoid the World Series.

I honestly don’t blame them as there is no good reason for holdback centric teams to ever compete on age in this sport today.

And getting out of the way to let their on age kids compete in the event somehow is just not worth the time and effort of club owners.

So much easier for holdback centric club owners to badmouth the World Series or better yet create a very competitive money making event that conflicts with the World Series.

No one is going to change this reality unless youth lacrosse moves to age based.

You do make any sense. Thoughtfully scheduled to avoid the World Series lol? Think about what you are saying dude.

And again I’m not a parent of either hawks or Madlax. But the holdback 28s on hawks and the on age 27s on hawks would do just fine I reckon.

The issue isn’t talent - it’s programs would have to expose how old they really are. Which no one seems to want to do especially for something like this new iteration of the WSYL.

And again, they have played before dude. I don’t know why that’s so hard for you to comprehend.

Hawks tried that last year and came in 6th. Pretty embarrassing if you ask me. Clearly, they didn’t want that type of attention nor did Madlax, Next Level etc.

All three of those teams are loaded with holdbacks. Not a big deal, except for the hypocrisy if any of them complain about the other two.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When does Hoco make their decisions about who gets placed in what division?

The initial alignments should be leaked this week. Then depending on pushback from coaches there will be some adjustments made after the upcoming spring tournaments.

Has anyone seen this yet? Just curious

http://www.luthervillelax.com/Page.asp?n=125985&org=luthervillelax.com for LTLC 2027

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Both hawks and Madlax have played before. I’m not a parent of neither team but given the HoCo schedule and the way it was Theron together it’s not really conducive to participate in.

You are kidding right?

Most holdback centric teams thoughtfully scheduled to avoid the World Series.

I honestly don’t blame them as there is no good reason for holdback centric teams to ever compete on age in this sport today.

And getting out of the way to let their on age kids compete in the event somehow is just not worth the time and effort of club owners.

So much easier for holdback centric club owners to badmouth the World Series or better yet create a very competitive money making event that conflicts with the World Series.

No one is going to change this reality unless youth lacrosse moves to age based.

You do make any sense. Thoughtfully scheduled to avoid the World Series lol? Think about what you are saying dude.

And again I’m not a parent of either hawks or Madlax. But the holdback 28s on hawks and the on age 27s on hawks would do just fine I reckon.

The issue isn’t talent - it’s programs would have to expose how old they really are. Which no one seems to want to do especially for something like this new iteration of the WSYL.

And again, they have played before dude. I don’t know why that’s so hard for you to comprehend.

Hawks tried that last year and came in 6th. Pretty embarrassing if you ask me. Clearly, they didn’t want that type of attention nor did Madlax, Next Level etc.

All three of those teams are loaded with holdbacks. Not a big deal, except for the hypocrisy if any of them complain about the other two.

Yup, that's why the most pathetic ones moved to 28. Parents ripping off 60k in taxes and charged. lost dad keeps saying he played up. Math is math stunad.

Have the hoco divisions been decided?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have the hoco divisions been decided?

Why does it matter? Let your son show up and play the team that is on the docket each week.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have the hoco divisions been decided?

Why does it matter? Let your son show up and play the team that is on the docket each week.

Exactly, why come here and discuss the upcoming season and potential teams when you can spend 92 pages crying about the hardships of things in club youth lacrosse. Jeesh, take your need to discuss informational things like "divisions" to some place where they talk about 2027 lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have the hoco divisions been decided?

Why does it matter? Let your son show up and play the team that is on the docket each week.

Exactly, why come here and discuss the upcoming season and potential teams when you can spend 92 pages crying about the hardships of things in club youth lacrosse. Jeesh, take your need to discuss informational things like "divisions" to some place where they talk about 2027 lacrosse.

Personally, I think this board needs more holdback talk. Who cares about HOCO. 😅

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have the hoco divisions been decided?

Why does it matter? Let your son show up and play the team that is on the docket each week.

Exactly, why come here and discuss the upcoming season and potential teams when you can spend 92 pages crying about the hardships of things in club youth lacrosse. Jeesh, take your need to discuss informational things like "divisions" to some place where they talk about 2027 lacrosse.

Personally, I think this board needs more holdback talk. Who cares about HOCO. 😅

Right, why miss the opportunity to belittle the teams that dont make the "elite" division, and pound on the ones you dont think should have.

Definitely will be interested to know, my son plays on a team that could go either way I think. If there was a group with the bottom half of Elite HoCo and the top AAA teams that would probably be the most ideal placement. Not interested in winning every game but want the boys to be in a division that they can be challenged but not killed. Not sure the development occurs in that situation.

Can’t wait to see the alignments. Gonna be some surprises, I think.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have the hoco divisions been decided?

Why does it matter? Let your son show up and play the team that is on the docket each week.

Wow. Girls NGLL Mid Atlantic (all ages) starts on the same timeline has been scheduled and published for several weeks now. I dont think its wrong for folks to be curious about bracketing, at a minimum, for a league that starts in a few weeks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have the hoco divisions been decided?

Why does it matter? Let your son show up and play the team that is on the docket each week.

Wow. Girls NGLL Mid Atlantic (all ages) starts on the same timeline has been scheduled and published for several weeks now. I dont think its wrong for folks to be curious about bracketing, at a minimum, for a league that starts in a few weeks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have the hoco divisions been decided?

Why does it matter? Let your son show up and play the team that is on the docket each week.

Wow. Girls NGLL Mid Atlantic (all ages) starts on the same timeline has been scheduled and published for several weeks now. I dont think its wrong for folks to be curious about bracketing, at a minimum, for a league that starts in a few weeks.

For the last 8-10 years they barely post it a week in advance. It's the govt.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have the hoco divisions been decided?

Why does it matter? Let your son show up and play the team that is on the docket each week.

Wow. Girls NGLL Mid Atlantic (all ages) starts on the same timeline has been scheduled and published for several weeks now. I dont think its wrong for folks to be curious about bracketing, at a minimum, for a league that starts in a few weeks.

For the last 8-10 years they barely post it a week in advance. It's the govt.

It's also because they allow clubs to register at the very last moment. It allows clubs to hold their $$ and allows for more teams to register. No problem with it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the entire Looneys 2027 squad goes to Predators and suddenly they go from AAA to B? That's weird.

Having seen them play VLC (I believe it was a 1 point game until an onslaught of VLC points at the end of the game), they are not horrible and should be lower AAA or top of AA. Based on that one game I saw, they would beat any team you listed in B, A, and probably AA. In your AAA list, they would not beat Zingoes, SW, VLC, BLC and 50/50 on Kelly Post. They would absolutely beat Madlax DMV, who should be in AA.

Except that they lost to Madlax DMV in the fall. Also winless in the fall and last spring as Looney's (plus 4-18 in the summer as Looney's). I could see them making a case for A but not AA or above.

My son plays for VLC and I saw the Predators this fall. They gave us and Bethesda a good game. We scored a couple late to win. MLDMV was sharing players all tournament, surprise, surprise. So take that score for what it's worth. The Predators are probably upper AA or lower AAA.

LOL I have no love for Madlax or Predators but we were at that tournament and I laughed at loud at the (noticeably larger) "DMV 2027" players shuffling in and out, pre-game. I hope they didn't lose any games that tournament, because that would just be embarrassing. I believe they "accidentally" got bracketed against 2028 Predators as well. Oops!

Why the Preds directors would be so cavalier as to enter a ML event with every factor (sketchy roster subs, holdbacks, actual talent, cohesive teams) stacked against your Looneys Heroes is a mystery too, ha ha.

Predators are up for any challenge, unlike many holdback teams. Sorry your son didnt make Predators this year, always next year

So Preds are registered for the March Kickoff Invitational AA division? Should be fun to watch.

We were there. Where were Preds?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have the hoco divisions been decided?

Why does it matter? Let your son show up and play the team that is on the docket each week.

Wow. Girls NGLL Mid Atlantic (all ages) starts on the same timeline has been scheduled and published for several weeks now. I dont think its wrong for folks to be curious about bracketing, at a minimum, for a league that starts in a few weeks.

For the last 8-10 years they barely post it a week in advance. It's the govt.

It's also because they allow clubs to register at the very last moment. It allows clubs to hold their $$ and allows for more teams to register. No problem with it.

So your saying this "Final Registration Deadline: Tuesday, March 1st" on HOCO's website is fake news? Why do clubs need to "hold their $$"? Hold it for what? I paid my kids tuition back in August.

Didn't say March 1 was fake. Teams register by March 1; then there's follow up on things like roster submission, coach registration, scheduling, alignment... along with all the other leagues and activities organize. Then there are the meetings with teams and final tweaking of the league and the competition committee. I'd say HoCo does a remarkable job given the size and scope of what they do. I don't see any other county doing anything close in size or scope.

Do you pay your utility or tax bills far in advance of when they are due? Chill dude. Reserve your Saturdays for lax and you can dial it in later.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can’t wait to see the alignments. Gonna be some surprises, I think.

Elite:
NL
91
MLC
Crabs
FCA
Hawks
TA Green
Zingos Black

AAA
Koopers
TA White
True KP
VLC
BLC
Sidewinders Black
Team MD White
Hammers

AA
Cannons
ALC Bay Raiders
Team MD Red
Preds
True VA Black
True DC
True Baltimore
LTLC

A

B

Who is playing in the spring bloom?
Anything worthwhile or just a preseason tuneup?

I know
Hawks
Crabs
Madlax Cap
Some Express teams- NJ, LI?
Others?

Best in the nation will be there. Madlax Cap, baby!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Best in the nation will be there. Madlax Cap, baby!

Can they beat the sidewinders yet?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Best in the nation will be there. Madlax Cap, baby!

Can they beat the sidewinders yet?

They just won against True Annapolis but only by 3 in Spring Thaw (6-3). Good tournament to watch before elite hoco. Madlax, Crabs, Hawks and True in it. 91 md had a good couple playdays too with 3-1 losing just to #2 Mad Dog. Looking like a great hoco season.

Team MD got rocked yesterday by Red Hots which looks like yep, they didn't belong in elite anymore.

Red Hots are pretty good they beat Mad Dog Nationals Team MD didn’t have a chance

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Red Hots are pretty good they beat Mad Dog Nationals Team MD didn’t have a chance

They were so much better then SW last year. Seems the opposite now.

True showed well today with 2 goal win over Crabs. 3 goal loss to Madlax. Looks like a real contender in elite.

are you sure they are playing elite ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

are you sure they are playing elite ?

Let's see when the final divisions comes out. Based on the usclub ranking and initial hoco divisions it looks yes.

Saturday's Week 1 match ups:

Team 91 vs. FCA
Annapolis Hawks vs. Zingos Black
Crabs vs. True Annapolis Green
MadLax - Bye??
Next Level - Bye??

FCA, Hawks and Crabs all win going away.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saturday's Week 1 match ups:

Team 91 vs. FCA
Annapolis Hawks vs. Zingos Black
Crabs vs. True Annapolis Green
MadLax - Bye??
Next Level - Bye??

FCA, Hawks and Crabs all win going away.

FCA by 2
Hawks huge
True by 3

Ml v NL. Ml by 2.

Tru and zingos move up. Team md and sidewinders go down. Team md made a lot of noise on this board last year. I’m guessing Z lost the coin flip.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tru and zingos move up. Team md and sidewinders go down. Team md made a lot of noise on this board last year. I’m guessing Z lost the coin flip.

Can't wait to see the drunk zingos dad on the sidelines again after he's had a few. Wonder what excuses he'll come up with about why his kids team is getting crushed every week. Oh right, he'll just claim "holdbacks! TM"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ml v NL. Ml by 2.

MI?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ml v NL. Ml by 2.

MI?

Perhaps the poster meant to say ML (MadLax) and MI is a typo. But I looked at the schedule and it appears MadLax and NextLevel are not playing at all this weekend. I wonder why they are not playing each other?

In the past they’ve played at a different location closer to home. No need to drive all the way out to Howard County when the teams are about 15 mins apart.

Week 1 good matchups? All divisions?

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First week any surprises?

Any surprises in any of the divisions this weekend?

No surprises except for Crabs. 2 years ago they added a bunch of Looney's kids and cut Crab's families. This year they added a bunch of FCA kids and cut Crab's families. Didn't help and they are headed for another 5/6th place finish in the division. Hawks, ML, NL and either FCA or True.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No surprises except for Crabs. 2 years ago they added a bunch of Looney's kids and cut Crab's families. This year they added a bunch of FCA kids and cut Crab's families. Didn't help and they are headed for another 5/6th place finish in the division. Hawks, ML, NL and either FCA or True.

Sorry to hear that your son was cut.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No surprises except for Crabs. 2 years ago they added a bunch of Looney's kids and cut Crab's families. This year they added a bunch of FCA kids and cut Crab's families. Didn't help and they are headed for another 5/6th place finish in the division. Hawks, ML, NL and either FCA or True.

Sorry to hear that your son was cut.

What are "Crab's families"? Surely you don't expect loyalty from a lacrosse club?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No surprises except for Crabs. 2 years ago they added a bunch of Looney's kids and cut Crab's families. This year they added a bunch of FCA kids and cut Crab's families. Didn't help and they are headed for another 5/6th place finish in the division. Hawks, ML, NL and either FCA or True.

Sorry to hear that your son was cut.

Crabs 0-1 with NL on Saturday. Better bring the 26's like you did in AZ.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No surprises except for Crabs. 2 years ago they added a bunch of Looney's kids and cut Crab's families. This year they added a bunch of FCA kids and cut Crab's families. Didn't help and they are headed for another 5/6th place finish in the division. Hawks, ML, NL and either FCA or True.

Sorry to hear that your son was cut.

Crabs 0-1 with NL on Saturday. Better bring the 26's like you did in AZ.

They played True, not NL. And lost worse then the game last week they lost before to True.

True Annapolis??? That is the only Maryland program that could pull together an on age team? Can’t compete on age…..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True Annapolis??? That is the only Maryland program that could pull together an on age team? Can’t compete on age…..

There are holdbacks on True.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No surprises except for Crabs. 2 years ago they added a bunch of Looney's kids and cut Crab's families. This year they added a bunch of FCA kids and cut Crab's families. Didn't help and they are headed for another 5/6th place finish in the division. Hawks, ML, NL and either FCA or True.

Sorry to hear that your son was cut.

Crabs 0-1 with NL on Saturday. Better bring the 26's like you did in AZ.

Correction to the pp. The tournament was in CA and not AZ.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No surprises except for Crabs. 2 years ago they added a bunch of Looney's kids and cut Crab's families. This year they added a bunch of FCA kids and cut Crab's families. Didn't help and they are headed for another 5/6th place finish in the division. Hawks, ML, NL and either FCA or True.

FCA?

Sorry to hear that your son was cut.

Crabs 0-1 with NL on Saturday. Better bring the 26's like you did in AZ.

Correction to the pp. The tournament was in CA and not AZ.

Will there be a clear strongest (or weakest) team among MadLax, NextLevel, or Hawks?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will there be a clear strongest (or weakest) team among MadLax, NextLevel, or Hawks?

Next Level is the best, most consistent team with the best coaching. Hawks have the best couple of individuals (age not considered) but no depth.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will there be a clear strongest (or weakest) team among MadLax, NextLevel, or Hawks?

Next Level is the best, most consistent team with the best coaching. Hawks have the best couple of individuals (age not considered) but no depth.

Which team had covid last weekend? TBD?

Hawks are clearly the best of the 3 and have never lost in HoCo. They have the best players and depth doesn't matter in a 1 game setting. NL and ML are always playing for 2nd place at HoCo. NL has a lot of good players and ML has a tight roster but only a couple of really good players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks are clearly the best of the 3 and have never lost in HoCo. They have the best players and depth doesn't matter in a 1 game setting. NL and ML are always playing for 2nd place at HoCo. NL has a lot of good players and ML has a tight roster but only a couple of really good players.

1. Hawks
2. NextLevel
3. MadLax

Dad coaching at this level is like socialism. It never leads to success.

Those hawks kids are huge, size-wise.
But when I saw them play 2 weeks ago, they didn’t look particularly talented, or running any advanced schemes- Just significantly bigger than their competition. Haven’t seen NL yet. Hopefully soon.

Hawks and ML run the same offense. Give it to the much older kid at x and let them shoot at least 15-20x a game. The difference is Hawks have players who are better than ML when x is doubled. Who knows about NL. I do think they share the ball a little more than the other 2.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks and ML run the same offense. Give it to the much older kid at x and let them shoot at least 15-20x a game. The difference is Hawks have players who are better than ML when x is doubled. Who knows about NL. I do think they share the ball a little more than the other 2.

What about the rest of the division? Crabs, FCA, 91, True? Any major changes from last year?

Crabs added a bunch of FCA players but they didn't improve and just caused division. At least when the BLC coach talked all the families into moving to ML he kept only the best kids and cut the rest. FCA is worse. 91 looks move competitive and True already has the lead on 4th place by beating Crabs in week 1.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs added a bunch of FCA players but they didn't improve and just caused division. At least when the BLC coach talked all the families into moving to ML he kept only the best kids and cut the rest. FCA is worse. 91 looks move competitive and True already has the lead on 4th place by beating Crabs in week 1.

Not true about the BLC coach. He brought 2-3 strong players, but the rest are filler, and caused division, which is why MadLax is falling behind Hawks and NextLevel.

It's e

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs added a bunch of FCA players but they didn't improve and just caused division. At least when the BLC coach talked all the families into moving to ML he kept only the best kids and cut the rest. FCA is worse. 91 looks move competitive and True already has the lead on 4th place by beating Crabs in week 1.

Not true about the BLC coach. He brought 2-3 strong players, but the rest are filler, and caused division, which is why MadLax is falling behind Hawks and NextLevel.

You just agreed. He actually brought 13 kids and ended up cutting 8 after he told all the families they would have their own team. ML is fine and will end up 2nd.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs added a bunch of FCA players but they didn't improve and just caused division. At least when the BLC coach talked all the families into moving to ML he kept only the best kids and cut the rest. FCA is worse. 91 looks move competitive and True already has the lead on 4th place by beating Crabs in week 1.

Not true about the BLC coach. He brought 2-3 strong players, but the rest are filler, and caused division, which is why MadLax is falling behind Hawks and NextLevel.

What division? 4 starters: 2 attack, pole and goalie. A few more coming off the bench. Before they merged, ML was under .500 and now they contend for championships.

Crabs brought in the fca connection and it fell apart in. That’s what happens when you set the roster set before tryouts.

Any news from the other Divisions? AAA looked like a lot of blow outs week 1.

Best AAA game this week will be team MD playing BLC. Team MD moved down because they didn’t want to get beat every week and there’s nothing wrong with that. BLC is rebuilding after the former coach wrecked the team by talking most of the families into leaving.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs brought in the fca connection and it fell apart in. That’s what happens when you set the roster set before tryouts.

Coaching actually matters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any news from the other Divisions? AAA looked like a lot of blow outs week 1.

HoCo botched the alignments. Gonna be a lot of blowouts in AAA and AA now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs brought in the fca connection and it fell apart in. That’s what happens when you set the roster set before tryouts.

Coaching actually matters.

Everything that guy touches turns to mush.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Best AAA game this week will be team MD playing BLC. Team MD moved down because they didn’t want to get beat every week and there’s nothing wrong with that. BLC is rebuilding after the former coach wrecked the team by talking most of the families into leaving.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Best AAA game this week will be team MD playing BLC. Team MD moved down because they didn’t want to get beat every week and there’s nothing wrong with that. BLC is rebuilding after the former coach wrecked the team by talking most of the families into leaving.

Team md has a lower ranking then all of these elite teams. Played easy tournaments and can’t clear. Same for sw

Looks like 91 has improved a lot from last year based on the scores of the last 2 weeks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like 91 has improved a lot from last year based on the scores of the last 2 weeks.

was at 2-0 winning to start against the hawks. Did not have their typical FOGO. They also won against #11 LI Express prior to Hoco. It's a solid team.

Hawks definitely have weakness at goalie. Hawks got all the flags I believe. They did recognize well when a player wouldn't pass and doubled as they should.

Loaded with 2026s now! Duh!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Best AAA game this week will be team MD playing BLC. Team MD moved down because they didn’t want to get beat every week and there’s nothing wrong with that. BLC is rebuilding after the former coach wrecked the team by talking most of the families into leaving.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Best AAA game this week will be team MD playing BLC. Team MD moved down because they didn’t want to get beat every week and there’s nothing wrong with that. BLC is rebuilding after the former coach wrecked the team by talking most of the families into leaving.

Team md has a lower ranking then all of these elite teams. Played easy tournaments and can’t clear. Same for sw

Yours Truly Zingos Dad!

Hey all of crab’s scheming sometimes pays off and sometimes it doesn’t; they’ll adjust. They stink so get ready to have a bunch of out-of-state players come in and take all your spots. Happens every year, like clockwork.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like 91 has improved a lot from last year based on the scores of the last 2 weeks.

was at 2-0 winning to start against the hawks. Did not have their typical FOGO. They also won against #11 LI Express prior to Hoco. It's a solid team.

Hawks definitely have weakness at goalie. Hawks got all the flags I believe. They did recognize well when a player wouldn't pass and doubled as they should.

This is a funny post. Hawks have the best goalie in HoCo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Loaded with 2026s now! Duh!

Who, the Hawks?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like 91 has improved a lot from last year based on the scores of the last 2 weeks.

was at 2-0 winning to start against the hawks. Did not have their typical FOGO. They also won against #11 LI Express prior to Hoco. It's a solid team.

Hawks definitely have weakness at goalie. Hawks got all the flags I believe. They did recognize well when a player wouldn't pass and doubled as they should.

This is a funny post. Hawks have the best goalie in HoCo.

Then why did they pull one for the other when they were losing?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Best AAA game this week will be team MD playing BLC. Team MD moved down because they didn’t want to get beat every week and there’s nothing wrong with that. BLC is rebuilding after the former coach wrecked the team by talking most of the families into leaving.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Best AAA game this week will be team MD playing BLC. Team MD moved down because they didn’t want to get beat every week and there’s nothing wrong with that. BLC is rebuilding after the former coach wrecked the team by talking most of the families into leaving.

Team md has a lower ranking then all of these elite teams. Played easy tournaments and can’t clear. Same for sw

Team MD and Sidewinders move to AAA looks like the right move. BLC still has a ways to go and DCE will be interesting next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Best AAA game this week will be team MD playing BLC. Team MD moved down because they didn’t want to get beat every week and there’s nothing wrong with that. BLC is rebuilding after the former coach wrecked the team by talking most of the families into leaving.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Best AAA game this week will be team MD playing BLC. Team MD moved down because they didn’t want to get beat every week and there’s nothing wrong with that. BLC is rebuilding after the former coach wrecked the team by talking most of the families into leaving.

Team md has a lower ranking then all of these elite teams. Played easy tournaments and can’t clear. Same for sw

Team MD and Sidewinders move to AAA looks like the right move. BLC still has a ways to go and DCE will be interesting next year.

Why because they blew out two of the better teams in AAA out already in VLC and BLC? Now they get to play True Annapolis B team??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like 91 has improved a lot from last year based on the scores of the last 2 weeks.

was at 2-0 winning to start against the hawks. Did not have their typical FOGO. They also won against #11 LI Express prior to Hoco. It's a solid team.

Hawks definitely have weakness at goalie. Hawks got all the flags I believe. They did recognize well when a player wouldn't pass and doubled as they should.

This is a funny post. Hawks have the best goalie in HoCo.

Then why did they pull one for the other when they were losing?

91 shouldn't have pulled their goalie at half.

Hawks do pull the starting goalie to allow the backup to play. Imagine that in youth lacrosse. It won't matter as they will roll through undefeated again in HoCo.

Why because they blew out two of the better teams in AAA out already in VLC and BLC? Now they get to play True Annapolis B team??[/quote]

You are either a Crabs dad who's mad they left elite or a True dad who's mad they dropped to AAA and the right level of competition.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs brought in the fca connection and it fell apart in. That’s what happens when you set the roster set before tryouts.

What happened??

Former FCA Dad Coach took his son to Crabs. Took a lot of the FCA kids with him. This was known before the tryouts.

Sounds like tryouts were for show, deal was struck before anyone touched the field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Former FCA Dad Coach took his son to Crabs. Took a lot of the FCA kids with him. This was known before the tryouts.

Program and team ruiner.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Former FCA Dad Coach took his son to Crabs. Took a lot of the FCA kids with him. This was known before the tryouts.

Program and team ruiner.

I second that!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Former FCA Dad Coach took his son to Crabs. Took a lot of the FCA kids with him. This was known before the tryouts.

Program and team ruiner.

I second that!

Seems to be going around in 2027.

Crabs 27 Coach is a marked improvement over the former dad coaches of which there were 5 on the sideline. The team as a whole is definitely better and the coach teaches lacrosse instead of the dirty techniques being taught by the old dad coaches. The bargaining of bringing players to the team is wrong and goes on with a lot of teams at all ages. This coach is Coach K compared to the clowns on the sideline for MadLax and NL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Former FCA Dad Coach took his son to Crabs. Took a lot of the FCA kids with him. This was known before the tryouts.

Program and team ruiner.

I second that!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Former FCA Dad Coach took his son to Crabs. Took a lot of the FCA kids with him. This was known before the tryouts.

Program and team ruiner.

I second that!

I THIRD THAT!

The guy is a complete DB. Lax is life mentality. Get a grip people. Most of your sons aren’t going D1.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 27 Coach is a marked improvement over the former dad coaches of which there were 5 on the sideline. The team as a whole is definitely better and the coach teaches lacrosse instead of the dirty techniques being taught by the old dad coaches. The bargaining of bringing players to the team is wrong and goes on with a lot of teams at all ages. This coach is Coach K compared to the clowns on the sideline for MadLax and NL.

Enjoy the “good coaching” because if its true, that’ll all change next year when your coach changes, and the dirty techniques crabs are known for will most definitely return. Currently the 8th grade team is being looked into by HOCO for bringing in multiple players from out of state that are in high school, who are already holdbacks on the FL Stealth 2025 team. Tough for even local crab holdbacks to get playing time when they’re completing with soon to be 16 yr olds.

That's a pretty big accusation. My understanding is HoCo sent out a letter about roster reminders but that's as far as it's going to go.

Haven’t been here for while but nice to see all you losers still so worried about middle school lacrosse. Fact is most likely none of your kids will play for legit D-1 school so find something better to do with your time. Second all of these programs have issues. the top 3 which everyone know who they are not killing teams like in past. Stop with hawks are so great because of coaching just like other programs it’s fallen off. Crabs may need to re think there program because it’s not doing well at all before high school except 26 which we all know about Florida kids so stop. Can’t wait to see some you stunads on sidelines today. Probably the dad coaching from wrong side field.

They're 0-2, move on to another topic.

The topic is relevant and applies to many clubs. Madlax made an "arrangement" with the BLC coach and it continues to affect ML, BLC and even NL. Crabs have done this 2x with FCA and Looney's before that. Not to mention dad coaching and coaches taking payoffs from individual parents. Tryouts are a joke and buyer beware in youth sports

This is a new low. There are several issues going on, but bribing the coaches, please.

I can’t tell if you agree or think the idea of a parent, not a team, providing gift cards or thank you $ or private lessons from the head coach is not happening and not influencing the coach’s decision. Youth sports is not even close to a meritocracy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Haven’t been here for while but nice to see all you losers still so worried about middle school lacrosse. Fact is most likely none of your kids will play for legit D-1 school so find something better to do with your time. Second all of these programs have issues. the top 3 which everyone know who they are not killing teams like in past. Stop with hawks are so great because of coaching just like other programs it’s fallen off. Crabs may need to re think there program because it’s not doing well at all before high school except 26 which we all know about Florida kids so stop. Can’t wait to see some you stunads on sidelines today. Probably the dad coaching from wrong side field.

says the guy coming to the forum while his son rides pine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a new low. There are several issues going on, but bribing the coaches, please.

It happens on at least one 2027 team. Instead of the whole team chipping in for year end gift cards, families give them to the head coach individually. And they give larger sums than a typical thank you token of appreciation like might be given to a bus driver or teacher. The coach is known for playing favorites anyhow, and the generous gifts yield nice returns for the families who give them.

Stuck around for the FCA v NL game. Good to see FCA still livng up to their reputation. They might've had 10 penalties and 2 flagrant 2 minute penalties.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stuck around for the FCA v NL game. Good to see FCA still livng up to their reputation. They might've had 10 penalties and 2 flagrant 2 minute penalties.

You need to get a new hobby.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stuck around for the FCA v NL game. Good to see FCA still livng up to their reputation. They might've had 10 penalties and 2 flagrant 2 minute penalties.

You need to get a new hobby.

Yeah, the "hobby," "quarter-zip," "hit the wall" quips are a little tired. Apparently, dirty play where 2 kids are ejected is a bad topic. I'll use another tired quip.

"Sorry, FCA dad." Maybe never winning a game against a good team and having a 1/3 of the team leave year over year shows FCA is doing something wrong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stuck around for the FCA v NL game. Good to see FCA still livng up to their reputation. They might've had 10 penalties and 2 flagrant 2 minute penalties.

You need to get a new hobby.

Yeah, the "hobby," "quarter-zip," "hit the wall" quips are a little tired. Apparently, dirty play where 2 kids are ejected is a bad topic. I'll use another tired quip.

"Sorry, FCA dad." Maybe never winning a game against a good team and having a 1/3 of the team leave year over year shows FCA is doing something wrong.

For such an expensive program look at their results. Only 2028 elite showing anything really. They might be too busy attacking Happy rights (yup look it up) to focus on lax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stuck around for the FCA v NL game. Good to see FCA still livng up to their reputation. They might've had 10 penalties and 2 flagrant 2 minute penalties.

You need to get a new hobby.

Yeah, the "hobby," "quarter-zip," "hit the wall" quips are a little tired. Apparently, dirty play where 2 kids are ejected is a bad topic. I'll use another tired quip.

"Sorry, FCA dad." Maybe never winning a game against a good team and having a 1/3 of the team leave year over year shows FCA is doing something wrong.

For such an expensive program look at their results. Only 2028 elite showing anything really. They might be too busy attacking Happy rights (yup look it up) to focus on lax.

The fact that you stay around to watch other teams is just silly.

Or because I’m a coach or league official or my kid wanted to watch their next opponent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stuck around for the FCA v NL game. Good to see FCA still livng up to their reputation. They might've had 10 penalties and 2 flagrant 2 minute penalties.

You need to get a new hobby.

Yeah, the "hobby," "quarter-zip," "hit the wall" quips are a little tired. Apparently, dirty play where 2 kids are ejected is a bad topic. I'll use another tired quip.

"Sorry, FCA dad." Maybe never winning a game against a good team and having a 1/3 of the team leave year over year shows FCA is doing something wrong.

For such an expensive program look at their results. Only 2028 elite showing anything really. They might be too busy attacking Happy rights (yup look it up) to focus on lax.

The fact that you stay around to watch other teams is just silly.

Why do you care if someone wants to watch the game? Are you really concerned there are creepers at hoco lax? Don’t worry fca mom, the whole world isn’t trying to get your kid. You should be more concerned 2 kids from your own team were thrown out of the game, if the above post is correct.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stuck around for the FCA v NL game. Good to see FCA still livng up to their reputation. They might've had 10 penalties and 2 flagrant 2 minute penalties.

You need to get a new hobby.

Yeah, the "hobby," "quarter-zip," "hit the wall" quips are a little tired. Apparently, dirty play where 2 kids are ejected is a bad topic. I'll use another tired quip.

"Sorry, FCA dad." Maybe never winning a game against a good team and having a 1/3 of the team leave year over year shows FCA is doing something wrong.

For such an expensive program look at their results. Only 2028 elite showing anything really. They might be too busy attacking Happy rights (yup look it up) to focus on lax.

The fact that you stay around to watch other teams is just silly.

Those of us who actually played, are fans of the game, and don't mind catching the end or beginning of another game.

Those of us who are just living through our kids, get mad that little Johnny didn't start/score/save adequately, and tell him to throw his garbage in the Expedition so we can immediately peel out of Troy Park and hit the Glen Burnie Olive Garden on the way home. #breadsticks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Those of us who actually played, are fans of the game, and don't mind catching the end or beginning of another game.

Those of us who are just living through our kids, get mad that little Johnny didn't start/score/save adequately, and tell him to throw his garbage in the Expedition so we can immediately peel out of Troy Park and hit the Glen Burnie Olive Garden on the way home. #breadsticks

Who wants to watch more lax when those breadsticks are waiting? They do fix a lot of what’s wrong in the world.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can’t tell if you agree or think the idea of a parent, not a team, providing gift cards or thank you $ or private lessons from the head coach is not happening and not influencing the coach’s decision. Youth sports is not even close to a meritocracy.

You'd be surprised. Check the hotels rooms for parents and some coaches at major club programs lighting one up and sharing party goods. It's bad enough other parents are talking about it and it works based on the results. At several age levels.

Does anybody know why NextLevel and MadLax are not playing each other in HoCo regular season?

Crabs vs 91 8am sat morning, let's go!

Do any of the elite programs use depth charts? I heard Duke's Nationals did but havent' heard if any in our area do.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do any of the elite programs use depth charts? I heard Duke's Nationals did but havent' heard if any in our area do.

They all do. They are just discussed internally by coaches and change often.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anybody know why NextLevel and MadLax are not playing each other in HoCo regular season?

ML and NL coaches both coach at STA. They have mutually agreed not to play in order to increase their chances of making the playoffs. The league is deciding whether to make the game a tie or just a 6 game season.

What happened in the Madlax game with their goalie? Suspended for the Crabs game this week.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened in the Madlax game with their goalie? Suspended for the Crabs game this week.

Which one? The local kid or the kid from South Carolina?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anybody know why NextLevel and MadLax are not playing each other in HoCo regular season?

ML and NL coaches both coach at STA. They have mutually agreed not to play in order to increase their chances of making the playoffs. The league is deciding whether to make the game a tie or just a 6 game season.

False. Majority of kids from both teams were on spring break when HoCo scheduled their game. Both coaches agreed to play each other at a later date.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened in the Madlax game with their goalie? Suspended for the Crabs game this week.

Which one? The local kid or the kid from South Carolina?

I think he punched another kid in the head

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened in the Madlax game with their goalie? Suspended for the Crabs game this week.

Which one? The local kid or the kid from South Carolina?

I think he pinched another kid in the head

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anybody know why NextLevel and MadLax are not playing each other in HoCo regular season?

ML and NL coaches both coach at STA. They have mutually agreed not to play in order to increase their chances of making the playoffs. The league is deciding whether to make the game a tie or just a 6 game season.

False. Majority of kids from both teams were on spring break when HoCo scheduled their game. Both coaches agreed to play each other at a later date.

When?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened in the Madlax game with their goalie? Suspended for the Crabs game this week.

Which one? The local kid or the kid from South Carolina?

I think he pinched another kid in the head

Didn’t matter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anybody know why NextLevel and MadLax are not playing each other in HoCo regular season?

ML and NL coaches both coach at STA. They have mutually agreed not to play in order to increase their chances of making the playoffs. The league is deciding whether to make the game a tie or just a 6 game season.

False. Majority of kids from both teams were on spring break when HoCo scheduled their game. Both coaches agreed to play each other at a later date.

They are playing Monday at STA, to decide who is a distant second best in the division. I predict a blowout.

It makes sense. Why drive out to Howard county when both clubs are so close to each other.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anybody know why NextLevel and MadLax are not playing each other in HoCo regular season?

ML and NL coaches both coach at STA. They have mutually agreed not to play in order to increase their chances of making the playoffs. The league is deciding whether to make the game a tie or just a 6 game season.

False. Majority of kids from both teams were on spring break when HoCo scheduled their game. Both coaches agreed to play each other at a later date.

They are playing Monday at STA, to decide who is a distant second best in the division. I predict a blowout.

Hawks better hope their best player doesn't come down with covid. They are 4th or 5th without him. I know I'm moving my kid next year as the boys just stand around and watch him hold the ball for 10+ second dodges. We win but no one else sees the ball.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anybody know why NextLevel and MadLax are not playing each other in HoCo regular season?

ML and NL coaches both coach at STA. They have mutually agreed not to play in order to increase their chances of making the playoffs. The league is deciding whether to make the game a tie or just a 6 game season.

False. Majority of kids from both teams were on spring break when HoCo scheduled their game. Both coaches agreed to play each other at a later date.

They are playing Monday at STA, to decide who is a distant second best in the division. I predict a blowout.

Hawks better hope their best player doesn't come down with covid. They are 4th or 5th without him. I know I'm moving my kid next year as the boys just stand around and watch him hold the ball for 10+ second dodges. We win but no one else sees the ball.

Lol. Take your Hawks trolling back to the 26 or 28 board where the crazy Hawks dads are. We don’t need your drama!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anybody know why NextLevel and MadLax are not playing each other in HoCo regular season?

ML and NL coaches both coach at STA. They have mutually agreed not to play in order to increase their chances of making the playoffs. The league is deciding whether to make the game a tie or just a 6 game season.

False. Majority of kids from both teams were on spring break when HoCo scheduled their game. Both coaches agreed to play each other at a later date.

They are playing Monday at STA, to decide who is a distant second best in the division. I predict a blowout.

Hawks better hope their best player doesn't come down with covid. They are 4th or 5th without him. I know I'm moving my kid next year as the boys just stand around and watch him hold the ball for 10+ second dodges. We win but no one else sees the ball.

91 did it with the chosen one, Hawks are just looking to replicate

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anybody know why NextLevel and MadLax are not playing each other in HoCo regular season?

ML and NL coaches both coach at STA. They have mutually agreed not to play in order to increase their chances of making the playoffs. The league is deciding whether to make the game a tie or just a 6 game season.

False. Majority of kids from both teams were on spring break when HoCo scheduled their game. Both coaches agreed to play each other at a later date.

They are playing Monday at STA, to decide who is a distant second best in the division. I predict a blowout.

Hawks better hope their best player doesn't come down with covid. They are 4th or 5th without him. I know I'm moving my kid next year as the boys just stand around and watch him hold the ball for 10+ second dodges. We win but no one else sees the ball.

Lol. Take your Hawks trolling back to the 26 or 28 board where the crazy Hawks dads are. We don’t need your drama!

No kidding, let's try to keep this board legit.

Not a troll Dad. Your kid is great but we can win a few games by 1 goal less and have others touch the ball a few times.

NL won. Game was played this week

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL won. Game was played this week

Not surprising

Both teams looked good...NL a bit deeper, particularly at D

What game were you watching? Both teams looked terrible and the 2 stunad coaches screaming at the players didn’t help. Hawks win playoffs with a +12 goal differential.

I've watched the 27 Hawks team for 4 years. They regularly beat teams with 3-4 different offensive players. They also have 2 legit poles and the best goalie around. Player for player they are the best team in the division by far.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I've watched the 27 Hawks team for 4 years. They regularly beat teams with 3-4 different offensive players. They also have 2 legit poles and the best goalie around. Player for player they are the best team in the division by far.

And have been since 3rd grade. Just waiting on all the 2026 Crabs to reclass

2027 Crabs coaches are outta control. Mr. huge tub of lard, cussing at players on the field when his runt goalie got hurt. Unbelievable show of embarrassing Coach behavior. He should be banned from coaching the Crabs and shouldn’t be allowed on the field at hoco ever again. We didn’t want him there to begin with. Great, we’re losing to the Hawks AGAIN. Happened at FCA. Happening at Crabs. What a disgrace. He’s a bad example of this program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2027 Crabs coaches are outta control. Mr. huge tub of lard, cussing at players on the field when his runt goalie got hurt. Unbelievable show of embarrassing Coach behavior. He should be banned from coaching the Crabs and shouldn’t be allowed on the field at hoco ever again. We didn’t want him there to begin with. Great, we’re losing to the Hawks AGAIN. Happened at FCA. Happening at Crabs. What a disgrace. He’s a bad example of this program.

Shame. That guy is a joker. Worst part is.. go look at the 2027 Crabs Instagram and see their most recent post about good “sportsmanship.” What a bunch of hypocrites.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2027 Crabs coaches are outta control. Mr. huge tub of lard, cussing at players on the field when his runt goalie got hurt. Unbelievable show of embarrassing Coach behavior. He should be banned from coaching the Crabs and shouldn’t be allowed on the field at hoco ever again. We didn’t want him there to begin with. Great, we’re losing to the Hawks AGAIN. Happened at FCA. Happening at Crabs. What a disgrace. He’s a bad example of this program.

Is this hawks steroid coach. Dude take a break from your cycle

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2027 Crabs coaches are outta control. Mr. huge tub of lard, cussing at players on the field when his runt goalie got hurt. Unbelievable show of embarrassing Coach behavior. He should be banned from coaching the Crabs and shouldn’t be allowed on the field at hoco ever again. We didn’t want him there to begin with. Great, we’re losing to the Hawks AGAIN. Happened at FCA. Happening at Crabs. What a disgrace. He’s a bad example of this program.

Shame. That guy is a joker. Worst part is.. go look at the 2027 Crabs Instagram and see their most recent post about good “sportsmanship.” What a bunch of hypocrites.

You have nothing better to do then look up another team Instagram?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2027 Crabs coaches are outta control. Mr. huge tub of lard, cussing at players on the field when his runt goalie got hurt. Unbelievable show of embarrassing Coach behavior. He should be banned from coaching the Crabs and shouldn’t be allowed on the field at hoco ever again. We didn’t want him there to begin with. Great, we’re losing to the Hawks AGAIN. Happened at FCA. Happening at Crabs. What a disgrace. He’s a bad example of this program.

Is this hawks steroid coach. Dude take a break from your cycle

Still not the 400lb ball of fat

That behavior is exactly why his child is at BL and not Loyola.

This should be renamed the hawks dad thread. Are they mad closest game they played all hoco was to crabs?

Roid rage dad is back. None parents like you from that team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I've watched the 27 Hawks team for 4 years. They regularly beat teams with 3-4 different offensive players. They also have 2 legit poles and the best goalie around. Player for player they are the best team in the division by far.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I've watched the 27 Hawks team for 4 years. They regularly beat teams with 3-4 different offensive players. They also have 2 legit poles and the best goalie around. Player for player they are the best team in the division by far.

And the kids should be trying to play 26 since they are well above the age cutoff. Playing down is weak as heck. Awesome my 14 year old 7th grader is dominating. Should be proud

Every team has holdbacks. I can’t wait until high school when this silly debate will be over.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This should be renamed the hawks dad thread. Are they mad closest game they played all hoco was to crabs?

^^ This! lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That behavior is exactly why his child is at BL and not Loyola.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I've watched the 27 Hawks team for 4 years. They regularly beat teams with 3-4 different offensive players. They also have 2 legit poles and the best goalie around. Player for player they are the best team in the division by far.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I've watched the 27 Hawks team for 4 years. They regularly beat teams with 3-4 different offensive players. They also have 2 legit poles and the best goalie around. Player for player they are the best team in the division by far.

And the kids should be trying to play 26 since they are well above the age cutoff. Playing down is weak as heck. Awesome my 14 year old 7th grader is dominating. Should be proud

The Hawks at this age have far fewer holdbacks than most teams in the elite division.

I really hope Ted wasn’t threatening kids. The Shire acres Community isn’t that big buddy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Every team has holdbacks. I can’t wait until high school when this silly debate will be over.

Yeah, but holding back should be saved for HS! Not the younger years. Not fair I’m the developing years

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I really hope Ted wasn’t threatening kids. The Shire acres Community isn’t that big buddy.

He was. And I bet this will actually be a bigger issue over the next week

No I’m pretty

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That behavior is exactly why his child is at BL and not Loyola.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

No I’m pretty sure they do.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I really hope Ted wasn’t threatening kids. The Shire acres Community isn’t that big buddy.

Come on people. There is zero truth to this. Zero. People on this board love to talk badly about this man and make stuff up. Use your brains. Didn’t happen. Period.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I really hope Ted wasn’t threatening kids. The Shire acres Community isn’t that big buddy.

This man gets dragged through the mud on here. Threatening kids? No chance. He is a good dude, and an asset to our team. We (along with several other families) wouldn't have left FCA for Crabs if he wasn't. His reputation on this anonymous forum couldn't be further from the truth of who he is as a man. This has gone too far. Troll someone else.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Every team has holdbacks. I can’t wait until high school when this silly debate will be over.

Yeah, but holding back should be saved for HS! Not the younger years. Not fair I’m the developing years

One more year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I really hope Ted wasn’t threatening kids. The Shire acres Community isn’t that big buddy.

Come on people. There is zero truth to this. Zero. People on this board love to talk badly about this man and make stuff up. Use your brains. Didn’t happen. Period.

No it’s 100% true. He’s in big time trouble. What a lost

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I really hope Ted wasn’t threatening kids. The Shire acres Community isn’t that big buddy.

This man gets dragged through the mud on here. Threatening kids? No chance. He is a good dude, and an asset to our team. We (along with several other families) wouldn't have left FCA for Crabs if he wasn't. His reputation on this anonymous forum couldn't be further from the truth of who he is as a man. This has gone too far. Troll someone else.

Unpopular opinion from Hawks dad- to think that he would threaten a kid is comical. I’ve known him for years and don’t believe a word of it. Take it for what it’s worth.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Every team has holdbacks. I can’t wait until high school when this silly debate will be over.

Yeah, but holding back should be saved for HS! Not the younger years. Not fair I’m the developing years

One more year.

It’s only going to get worse and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I really hope Ted wasn’t threatening kids. The Shire acres Community isn’t that big buddy.

This man gets dragged through the mud on here. Threatening kids? No chance. He is a good dude, and an asset to our team. We (along with several other families) wouldn't have left FCA for Crabs if he wasn't. His reputation on this anonymous forum couldn't be further from the truth of who he is as a man. This has gone too far. Troll someone else.

Unpopular opinion from Hawks dad- to think that he would threaten a kid is comical. I’ve known him for years and don’t believe a word of it. Take it for what it’s worth.

No threats were made. He did, however, cuss a kid from the opposing team out and called him a “p*****”
Not exactly appropriate for such a “good dude.”

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Every team has holdbacks. I can’t wait until high school when this silly debate will be over.

Yeah, but holding back should be saved for HS! Not the younger years. Not fair I’m the developing years

One more year.

It’s only going to get worse and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

Yes, there is. Rules can be changed to birth year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Every team has holdbacks. I can’t wait until high school when this silly debate will be over.

Yeah, but holding back should be saved for HS! Not the younger years. Not fair I’m the developing years

One more year.

It’s only going to get worse and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

Yes, there is. Rules can be changed to birth year

Sure, but that won’t happen. And if it does our kids will be grown and gone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I really hope Ted wasn’t threatening kids. The Shire acres Community isn’t that big buddy.

This man gets dragged through the mud on here. Threatening kids? No chance. He is a good dude, and an asset to our team. We (along with several other families) wouldn't have left FCA for Crabs if he wasn't. His reputation on this anonymous forum couldn't be further from the truth of who he is as a man. This has gone too far. Troll someone else.

Unpopular opinion from Hawks dad- to think that he would threaten a kid is comical. I’ve known him for years and don’t believe a word of it. Take it for what it’s worth.

No threats were made. He did, however, cuss a kid from the opposing team out and called him a “p*****”
Not exactly appropriate for such a “good dude.”

Not a good dude. Reason why he gets drug through the mud.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Every team has holdbacks. I can’t wait until high school when this silly debate will be over.

Yeah, but holding back should be saved for HS! Not the younger years. Not fair I’m the developing years

One more year.

It’s only going to get worse and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

Yes, there is. Rules can be changed to birth year

Sure, but that won’t happen. And if it does our kids will be grown and gone.

Parents seem to feel pretty passionately about this issue. Perhaps they should start their own league. Maybe in Anne Arundel county. Make it by birth year. People need to either do something or stop complaining.

Parents seem to feel pretty passionately about this issue. Perhaps they should start their own league. Maybe in Anne Arundel county. Make it by birth year. People need to either do something or stop complaining.[/quote]

There is a league and it's called SMYLA and it's part of a larger org running their rules undes USL by birth date. It is filled with awful rec teams where those clubs are owned by parents and run like the community bake sale. Up until 7th grade, they run small field 7v7 games. Some of the "travel" kids play but they usually play a different position like a goalie playing in the field or a pole with a short stick because the travel clubs slot kids in 3rd grade and never consider allowing a kid to try a different position after that.

Running a league or a club is a full-time job. It also requires real up-front investment in the form of fields (renting or owning), paid manager/management, equipment, insurance, ... Montgomery County, MD provides no discount or assistance in the renting of their fields or providing refs, equipment and so on. Howard County does all of that.

Your only chance is to go to HoCo and beg and plead for them to split off the lower division teams into a birthdate league. This would also require buy in from lower tier clubs to go along with it. A more realistic approach would be to tighten the age to summer birthdays or even all the way up to 1/1 instead of the year prior 9/1. It is insane there are players a full 364 days older and beyond born prior to the USL 9/1 birthdate. I don't know about this year but the 2019 season had 6 players who were "double" holdbacks and turned 16 prior to their freshman year in high school. 3 were on the same team.

Grade-based is no longer needed.
It was changed to grade thanks to early college recruiting.
With that gone, the system should revert back to age-based..

There are tons of age based choices in the region. The problem is the coaching and orgs are terrible. I believe an all star team from smyla played an age based club mixed team this past weekend. The all star smyla team lost 31-1.

The man spends all day scouting teams in 7th grade to boost his own ego... get a life.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The man spends all day scouting teams in 7th grade to boost his own ego... get a life.

Next year is their last year in hoco. Give it up and move this thread to the holdback forum.

Predictions:
Hawks handle Crabs easily.
NextLevel handles MadLax easily.
Hawks handle NextLevel easily.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Predictions:
Hawks handle Crabs easily.
NextLevel handles MadLax easily.
Hawks handle NextLevel easily.

Crabs vs NL in the final. NL takes it 9-7

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Predictions:
Hawks handle Crabs easily.
NextLevel handles MadLax easily.
Hawks handle NextLevel easily.

Crabs vs NL in the final. NL takes it 9-7

Wishful thinking. I can't imagine Hawks losing unless an outbreak of the flu hits.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Predictions:
Hawks handle Crabs easily.
NextLevel handles MadLax easily.
Hawks handle NextLevel easily.

I would not predict easy games for anybody. But with closely matched teams, goaltending and face offs will swing the outcome. At those positions, Hawks are the best and Next Level is second, and the other two are pretty far behind.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Predictions:
Hawks handle Crabs easily.
NextLevel handles MadLax easily.
Hawks handle NextLevel easily.

I would not predict easy games for anybody. But with closely matched teams, goaltending and face offs will swing the outcome. At those positions, Hawks are the best and Next Level is second, and the other two are pretty far behind.

Closer than it looks.
Crabs lost by 1 to NL and 2 to Hawks.
ML lost by 3 to NL and it was tied in 4th. ML got beat bad by Hawks.
NL lost by 4 to Hawks with a short roster due to something but they definitely weren't all there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Predictions:
Hawks handle Crabs easily.
NextLevel handles MadLax easily.
Hawks handle NextLevel easily.

I would not predict easy games for anybody. But with closely matched teams, goaltending and face offs will swing the outcome. At those positions, Hawks are the best and Next Level is second, and the other two are pretty far behind.

Closer than it looks.
Crabs lost by 1 to NL and 2 to Hawks.
ML lost by 3 to NL and it was tied in 4th. ML got beat bad by Hawks.
NL lost by 4 to Hawks with a short roster due to something but they definitely weren't all there.

All true - and PP is correct that face offs and goaltending were the difference in those games

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Predictions:
Hawks handle Crabs easily.
NextLevel handles MadLax easily.
Hawks handle NextLevel easily.

I would not predict easy games for anybody. But with closely matched teams, goaltending and face offs will swing the outcome. At those positions, Hawks are the best and Next Level is second, and the other two are pretty far behind.

Best coaching - NL
Best D - Crabs
Best Midfield - Hawks
Best Attack - Hawks
Best Fogo - Crabs
Best Goalie - NL

Crabs vs NL in the final. NL wins a close one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Predictions:
Hawks handle Crabs easily.
NextLevel handles MadLax easily.
Hawks handle NextLevel easily.

I would not predict easy games for anybody. But with closely matched teams, goaltending and face offs will swing the outcome. At those positions, Hawks are the best and Next Level is second, and the other two are pretty far behind.

Best coaching - NL - you're nuts - he is abusive!
Best D - Crabs - haven't seen them play enough to say
Best Midfield - Hawks - you got that right!
Best Attack - Hawks - perhaps, but NextLevel is up there too
Best Fogo - Crabs - haven't seen enough to say
Best Goalie - NL - tied with Hawks, but Hawks have two elite goalies and NextLevel has just one

Crabs vs NL in the final. NL wins a close one.

You're crazy - the Hawks are stronger than the field, and at any rate, everybody chokes against them.

AAA Predictions?

Team Md over BLC
Sidewinders over Hammers

Final 1 goal game
Team Md vs Sidewinders
Toss up

While waiting for my younger sons team to play I had the pleasure of watching the second half of the True Baltimore vs Predators game. All I can say is wow the True team definitely lives up to their reputation. One mom was yelling and cursing at the refs, parents screaming at players and coaches. I have seen posts about that program but this was the first time I have witnessed it. Shameful.

What happened to MadLax today?

What happened to Crabs yesterday? I thought with the predictions of #1 FOGO and defense they were supposed to dominate the Hawks yesterday.

Having coached against him, and having totally unnecessary drama at tournaments for years… it is well earned. He seeks out conflict and then acts like he’s lacrosse royalty. It’s a terrible example for the boys.

All of the 2027s played hard and we should be very proud of them. The HOCO season is over. Time for summer!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

While waiting for my younger sons team to play I had the pleasure of watching the second half of the True Baltimore vs Predators game. All I can say is wow the True team definitely lives up to their reputation. One mom was yelling and cursing at the refs, parents screaming at players and coaches. I have seen posts about that program but this was the first time I have witnessed it. Shameful.

True the money grab is an org that cares about one thing, how many players can we fool. Moms like her are the mainstay of True

You mean , you mr. Man bun mom’s basement dweller ? What a load of garbage he sold those families. Bought all the Amway products all for 2 wins .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

While waiting for my younger sons team to play I had the pleasure of watching the second half of the True Baltimore vs Predators game. All I can say is wow the True team definitely lives up to their reputation. One mom was yelling and cursing at the refs, parents screaming at players and coaches. I have seen posts about that program but this was the first time I have witnessed it. Shameful.

True the money grab is an org that cares about one thing, how many players can we fool. Moms like her are the mainstay of True

Talk about a program that’s duped a ton of parents. It’s really just “pay to play” or “membership” lacrosse. The Planet Fitness of club ball. In general they get families of kids who “want to play club” but don’t have a lot of info. True has really benefited from the 27 age group not having a lot of options.

And then they sell the State and National team options. It’s like buying the undercoating or extra warranty on a car. It sounds like a good idea in the showroom- Gives you peace of mind knowing it’s there, but good luck seeing it executed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to MadLax today?

They were crushed by 10 goals by a NextLevel team that used to be an even opponent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

While waiting for my younger sons team to play I had the pleasure of watching the second half of the True Baltimore vs Predators game. All I can say is wow the True team definitely lives up to their reputation. One mom was yelling and cursing at the refs, parents screaming at players and coaches. I have seen posts about that program but this was the first time I have witnessed it. Shameful.

True the money grab is an org that cares about one thing, how many players can we fool. Moms like her are the mainstay of True

Talk about a program that’s duped a ton of parents. It’s really just “pay to play” or “membership” lacrosse. The Planet Fitness of club ball. In general they get families of kids who “want to play club” but don’t have a lot of info. True has really benefited from the 27 age group not having a lot of options.

And then they sell the State and National team options. It’s like buying the undercoating or extra warranty on a car. It sounds like a good idea in the showroom- Gives you peace of mind knowing it’s there, but good luck seeing it executed.

Well said. I can't understand why any reasonably talented player with informed parents would play for a True team, but lots of them do. Kudo's to the folks who run the True business for raking it in, but shame on parents for not doing more homework.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to MadLax today?

They were crushed by 10 goals by a NextLevel team that used to be an even opponent.

Madlax lost 5-6 key players last year that grew tired of the Daddy Ball thing. Most jumped to NL and are serving it up. Madlax was a top 5 team nationally 2 years ago, right up until they had 15 BLC players/coaches come over together. Today, they’re not Top 25.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

While waiting for my younger sons team to play I had the pleasure of watching the second half of the True Baltimore vs Predators game. All I can say is wow the True team definitely lives up to their reputation. One mom was yelling and cursing at the refs, parents screaming at players and coaches. I have seen posts about that program but this was the first time I have witnessed it. Shameful.

True the money grab is an org that cares about one thing, how many players can we fool. Moms like her are the mainstay of True

Talk about a program that’s duped a ton of parents. It’s really just “pay to play” or “membership” lacrosse. The Planet Fitness of club ball. In general they get families of kids who “want to play club” but don’t have a lot of info. True has really benefited from the 27 age group not having a lot of options.

And then they sell the State and National team options. It’s like buying the undercoating or extra warranty on a car. It sounds like a good idea in the showroom- Gives you peace of mind knowing it’s there, but good luck seeing it executed.

Well said. I can't understand why any reasonably talented player with informed parents would play for a True team, but lots of them do. Kudo's to the folks who run the True business for raking it in, but shame on parents for not doing more homework.

If your talking about the true Baltimore team then be honest it’s still really Kelly post which was never near top of 2027. The true Annapolis team is much improved since last year and did beat crabs 2 times this year. That team is good for people that don’t want to play for hawks or drive to Baltimore. Not everyone wants to play for hawks and crabs and next year only going to get harder on those teams considering how many current 8th graders will hold back and kids coming from out of state to try save the crabs dying legacy in middle school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to MadLax today?

They were crushed by 10 goals by a NextLevel team that used to be an even opponent.

Madlax lost 5-6 key players last year that grew tired of the Daddy Ball thing. Most jumped to NL and are serving it up. Madlax was a top 5 team nationally 2 years ago, right up until they had 15 BLC players/coaches come over together. Today, they’re not Top 25.

They were never top 5, but otherwise spot on. Daddy and son ruined a promising team. The summer will be rough if they play elite national teams like Mad Dog and WCS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to MadLax today?

They were crushed by 10 goals by a NextLevel team that used to be an even opponent.

Madlax lost 5-6 key players last year that grew tired of the Daddy Ball thing. Most jumped to NL and are serving it up. Madlax was a top 5 team nationally 2 years ago, right up until they had 15 BLC players/coaches come over together. Today, they’re not Top 25.

Madlax lost 3 to NL. 1 is now NL's best player and the other 2 were splitting time between ML A and B teams and don't play very much for NL. ML lost 3 others to BLC so maybe that's where the 5-6 number comes from. The Dad coach now has the unique reputation of ruining both ML and BLC 2027's.

Oh my. Who are all these people with too much time on their hands?
Focus on your day jobs, former ML dads!

And grow up:)

A few more went to hammers, I believe. One of the 3 former ML kids on NL scores like 3 goals a game, one plays a fair amount and one not much at all but still contributes. I assume the former ML kids on BLC play and contribute a lot, as well. Oh well!

Thanks for the scorecard on where the departed players went to, but the point is how bad the team has become since Daddy and H arrived. Against good teams they only have 1-2 players capable of generating offense.

NextLevel did not score more than 11 goals all spring, but they hung 16 on MadLax in their playoff game. MadLax has at least 2-3 players in their starting ten who do not belong in the elite division.

Team Md with a nice 6-3 win over FCA!

I wouldn’t beat your chest over an FCA win. Heard their best middie is going to be a holdback next year. That is a team that is struggling.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I wouldn’t beat your chest over an FCA win. Heard their best middie is going to be a holdback next year. That is a team that is struggling.

Nice to beat a team that was put into HoCo elite over you. They beat us in the Fall badly so it was a nice win for our program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I wouldn’t beat your chest over an FCA win. Heard their best middie is going to be a holdback next year. That is a team that is struggling.

He won't hold back unless he's leaving FCA.....FCA 2028's featured shooter is a Kelly boy, coached by BK himself. Other FCA shooters are generally downgraded to the FCA AAA team. Support middies/feeders stay on the elite team by design. It's basically the Millon model.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I wouldn’t beat your chest over an FCA win. Heard their best middie is going to be a holdback next year. That is a team that is struggling.

He won't hold back unless he's leaving FCA.....FCA 2028's featured shooter is a Kelly boy, coached by BK himself. Other FCA shooters are generally downgraded to the FCA AAA team. Support middies/feeders stay on the elite team by design. It's basically the Millon model.

I have seen the same thing.......2028 FCA middie and attack parents might want to move your kids to get more looks than to simply feed all day.

Team Md 9 Next Level 4! Can we be happy about that one?

Team Md 9 Next Level 4 Can we be happy about that win!

Team Md White 9 Next Level 4. Can we be happy about that win!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team Md White 9 Next Level 4. Can we be happy about that win!

Sure you can be happy, but can a parent on one of the teams explain what happened? NL is the #2 team in HoCo elite and top 10 in the country, and Team Maryland (I think) was in AAA. There's gotta be a catch. Were both teams at full strength and normal rosters?

Both teams completely full strength I believe. Team Md treated the game like a Championship and played as well as they have ever played! Got up early and TMD gained a lot of confidence. I guess the AAA teams hit the wall too!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team Md White 9 Next Level 4. Can we be happy about that win!

Sure you can be happy, but can a parent on one of the teams explain what happened? NL is the #2 team in HoCo elite and top 10 in the country, and Team Maryland (I think) was in AAA. There's gotta be a catch. Were both teams at full strength and normal rosters?

Does it matter? Any given weekend a team could be missing players due to illness, injury, etc. thats been life the last 2 years. What the saying...any given sunday. Kudos to team Maryland.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Both teams completely full strength I believe. Team Md treated the game like a Championship and played as well as they have ever played! Got up early and TMD gained a lot of confidence. I guess the AAA teams hit the wall too!

Brad, you never miss an opportunity to market your program do you? It was the last consolation game of the day. NL had just lost to the eventual champion by 1 goal, so pretty sure NL didn't care about that game. But sure, be happy about a meaningless win.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Both teams completely full strength I believe. Team Md treated the game like a Championship and played as well as they have ever played! Got up early and TMD gained a lot of confidence. I guess the AAA teams hit the wall too!

Brad, you never miss an opportunity to market your program do you? It was the last consolation game of the day. NL had just lost to the eventual champion by 1 goal, so pretty sure NL didn't care about that game. But sure, be happy about a meaningless win.

Finally an explanation. Thank you. One team had something to prove, and one team mailed it in. Plus, NextLevel has only one team at 2027, which means that they have a bloated roster and lots kids who only get mop up time, so maybe NL used the consolation game to give the JV players some meaningful game time?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Both teams completely full strength I believe. Team Md treated the game like a Championship and played as well as they have ever played! Got up early and TMD gained a lot of confidence. I guess the AAA teams hit the wall too!

Brad, you never miss an opportunity to market your program do you? It was the last consolation game of the day. NL had just lost to the eventual champion by 1 goal, so pretty sure NL didn't care about that game. But sure, be happy about a meaningless win.

Team MD stacks the summer team with out of town guests. Everyone knows it. Come spring they wont be there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Both teams completely full strength I believe. Team Md treated the game like a Championship and played as well as they have ever played! Got up early and TMD gained a lot of confidence. I guess the AAA teams hit the wall too!

Brad, you never miss an opportunity to market your program do you? It was the last consolation game of the day. NL had just lost to the eventual champion by 1 goal, so pretty sure NL didn't care about that game. But sure, be happy about a meaningless win.

Team MD stacks the summer team with out of town guests. Everyone knows it. Come spring they wont be there.

Completely false. Had their 18 kids. 15 from Frederick Co 2 from Washington Co and 1 from Carroll Co. Not even a regional team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Both teams completely full strength I believe. Team Md treated the game like a Championship and played as well as they have ever played! Got up early and TMD gained a lot of confidence. I guess the AAA teams hit the wall too!

Brad, you never miss an opportunity to market your program do you? It was the last consolation game of the day. NL had just lost to the eventual champion by 1 goal, so pretty sure NL didn't care about that game. But sure, be happy about a meaningless win.

Meaningless to who?
Btw, I wonder how many players from both teams will be leaving for DC Express in the fall.

Why didn't NextLevel play in NAL? They are tons better than the three DC are teams who did play, VLC, BLC, and MadLax. I thought that NAL was supposed to be for the best teams.

Team MD 2027 all
Local kids and are good cause we keep it that way since 2nd grade! #chemistry

Big things in store for those Team MD kids. Maybe one day they will lead Walkersville to a 2A playoff win.

Only to be boat-raced by the Hawks again .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only to be boat-raced by the Hawks again .

Hawks had no place being at that tournament. Did you see rest of competition?

That was not a hawk parent . Hawks have much respect for Team Md . Probably a disgruntled TRUE parent wondering where their 3 GRAND went ???? Hint : Man bun spent it on hair products.

Can I please explain how the process works? Coaches get together in August to schedule their Fall and Summer tournament schedule. The decisions are based on the amount of travel and hotel costs the tournament schedule will inflict on the parents and when we want to wrap up the summer (most of us care more about vacation and letting our kids enjoy summer than we do about lacrosse).

We certainly don't sit around in that meeting and think "these particular teams are going to be at the NAL or the millon tournament or the Legends." The schedule is determined in about 20 minutes. What I am saying is that we try to pick from a list of tournaments that we think works best for our schedules (and maybe someone in the room says don't do a particular tournament based on past experience).

We have no idea at the time which teams are going to be enrolled in any of the tournaments. We certainly hope that there is great competition...especially teams that could be better than us and even beat us. When we schedule our tournaments we are not looking for opportunities to win a "championship"...get the t-shirt or photo with the banner. My son was bummed that Legends wasn't one of the "big" tournaments. I was quick to tell him that there are a lot of very good teams there...3D garden state, True Annapolis, Team MD (who just beat next level), Team Illinois (who seems to bring a whole new meaning to "hold backs"). It was an excellent tournament with excellent competition.

You have no clue about how lacrosse is played. Players dodge, and then re-dodge, to try and get a shot or make the defense rotate. And there are certain players who can dodge and beat their man and score or dodge and make an assist (which is the idea of the game)...then there are certain kids who can't do either.

The Hawks have about seven or eight players that can score goals. They would not miss any one player....I am sorry your son is not one of them. It is smart of you to quit before you are cut.

Coaches/clubs generally pick tournaments based around club history with a tournament, cost, location, general level of competition and date.

The REAL wrangling comes in when programs make scheduling requests the week before the tournament to get in a favorable bracket and avoid tougher teams in pool play. It's why the schedules change so many times the week before:

"We would like to play a team that we didn't face 3x this spring already."
"Any chance we could be in a pool with some new teams from out of state?"

And more and more...

It's not a accident that the teams who have parent companies that host the tourneys usually get decent draws. And generally the big clubs have more sway with requests because they are sending many teams to the tournament (and others).

Tryout season is upon us. Any news or shake ups going to happen with HoCo Elites or any of the AAA teams?

With True purchasing Koopers what is the situation? Will Koopers remain intact or will the top players be moved to True Baltimore and Koopers will dissolve?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryout season is upon us. Any news or shake ups going to happen with HoCo Elites or any of the AAA teams?

Lots of Crabs helmets and hovering parents at another club‘s practice last night.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryout season is upon us. Any news or shake ups going to happen with HoCo Elites or any of the AAA teams?

Lots of Crabs helmets and hovering parents at another club‘s practice last night.

Which?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryout season is upon us. Any news or shake ups going to happen with HoCo Elites or any of the AAA teams?

Lots of Crabs helmets and hovering parents at another club‘s practice last night.

Which?

The creepy big coach ruins every club he goes to.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryout season is upon us. Any news or shake ups going to happen with HoCo Elites or any of the AAA teams?

Lots of Crabs helmets and hovering parents at another club‘s practice last night.

It was the players that didnt get playing time last year and didnt expect any this year or frankly to make team. To many reclass from other clubs going out for Crabs this year. Starting Elite Crab players dont lose their spot easily or at all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryout season is upon us. Any news or shake ups going to happen with HoCo Elites or any of the AAA teams?

Lots of Crabs helmets and hovering parents at another club‘s practice last night.

Which?

The creepy big coach ruins every club he goes to.

I guess he cut your son. Not all players made for elite

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryout season is upon us. Any news or shake ups going to happen with HoCo Elites or any of the AAA teams?

Lots of Crabs helmets and hovering parents at another club‘s practice last night.

Which?

The creepy big coach ruins every club he goes to.

I guess he cut your son. Not all players made for elite

You wish!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With True purchasing Koopers what is the situation? Will Koopers remain intact or will the top players be moved to True Baltimore and Koopers will dissolve?

The merger was not met with joy by Kooper's families.

True is supposedly letting Koopers keep their coaches/brand/teams for the next few years, which is good news.

True would be well served to just let Koopers carry on as they were. Those Koopers teams will be the best of all the True MD teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Tryout season is upon us. Any news or shake ups going to happen with HoCo Elites or any of the AAA teams?

Lots of Crabs helmets and hovering parents at another club‘s practice last night.

Which?

The creepy big coach ruins every club he goes to.[/quot

You mean the MadLax Dad coach??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True is supposedly letting Koopers keep their coaches/brand/teams for the next few years, which is good news.

My son plays for Koopers. This is what we were told too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With True purchasing Koopers what is the situation? Will Koopers remain intact or will the top players be moved to True Baltimore and Koopers will dissolve?

The merger was not met with joy by Kooper's families.

True is supposedly letting Koopers keep their coaches/brand/teams for the next few years, which is good news.

True would be well served to just let Koopers carry on as they were. Those Koopers teams will be the best of all the True MD teams.

Apparently one of the True MD "directors" missed much of the spring while he was "away" leaving the team he was coaching in a precarious position. Heard that the organization did not communicate this to the families.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With True purchasing Koopers what is the situation? Will Koopers remain intact or will the top players be moved to True Baltimore and Koopers will dissolve?

The merger was not met with joy by Kooper's families.

True is supposedly letting Koopers keep their coaches/brand/teams for the next few years, which is good news.

True would be well served to just let Koopers carry on as they were. Those Koopers teams will be the best of all the True MD teams.

Apparently one of the True MD "directors" missed much of the spring while he was "away" leaving the team he was coaching in a precarious position. Heard that the organization did not communicate this to the families.

The games he did show up for, he forgot his badge and ended up getting suspended for a game too...

It was a tough spring.

See 91 MD is scheduled to play Nationals at NXT Cup. Considering that half of 91's roster also plays on Nationals, will be interesting to see if they change uni's at halftime or if Lou just brings in kids from other teams at the tourney.

We will be fine, holding tryouts and plenty of guest players coming.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

See 91 MD is scheduled to play Nationals at NXT Cup. Considering that half of 91's roster also plays on Nationals, will be interesting to see if they change uni's at halftime or if Lou just brings in kids from other teams at the tourney.

Half? You mean 2

Crabs tryouts a-coming. Who's a keeper?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs tryouts a-coming. Who's a keeper?

The whole 1st line of attack: gone
Lots of kids who did not have enough playtime: possible gone/trying other teams
Big creepy assistant coach: gone
Head coach: gone
New Coach: in
Lots of holdbacks from 2026: in

Where could the big creepy coach end up next year? Are we close to running out of options at this point? I guess the FCA defectors did not deliver the expected results so they are all out and moving along. Wonder where the face off kids will end up? Back at 91 and FCA?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where could the big creepy coach end up next year? Are we close to running out of options at this point? I guess the FCA defectors did not deliver the expected results so they are all out and moving along. Wonder where the face off kids will end up? Back at 91 and FCA?

I don't understand this constant shuffle. Kids playing for 3 different clubs in 3 years is odd to me. What are people looking for that they are not finding? Or is it really all about wins and loses? I am asking that honestly. Perhaps one of these FCA to Crabs to whatever club in 2022-2023 playing year can enlighten me.

These teams have high moments with a few wins but will never become great teams because they don’t grow together and play as a team. They are hoping a few good players will make a great team, unfortunately that usually doesn’t work. In the corporate world it’s the equivalent of a “team of experts” versus an “expert team”.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where could the big creepy coach end up next year? Are we close to running out of options at this point? I guess the FCA defectors did not deliver the expected results so they are all out and moving along. Wonder where the face off kids will end up? Back at 91 and FCA?

I don't understand this constant shuffle. Kids playing for 3 different clubs in 3 years is odd to me. What are people looking for that they are not finding? Or is it really all about wins and loses? I am asking that honestly. Perhaps one of these FCA to Crabs to whatever club in 2022-2023 playing year can enlighten me.

All three Clubs support BL, Loyola, McD and CH ,.. It is called shuffling the deck and see where you end up. Or some would say posturing, Luckily except for another round of holdbacks it will be over for most.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where could the big creepy coach end up next year? Are we close to running out of options at this point? I guess the FCA defectors did not deliver the expected results so they are all out and moving along. Wonder where the face off kids will end up? Back at 91 and FCA?

Faceoff kids heading to Predators/FCA.
New coach at Crabs anyway.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where could the big creepy coach end up next year? Are we close to running out of options at this point? I guess the FCA defectors did not deliver the expected results so they are all out and moving along. Wonder where the face off kids will end up? Back at 91 and FCA?

Big creepy coach is holding back his son and a few of his favorite players. You could probably find him now on the Crabs 2028 page.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where could the big creepy coach end up next year? Are we close to running out of options at this point? I guess the FCA defectors did not deliver the expected results so they are all out and moving along. Wonder where the face off kids will end up? Back at 91 and FCA?

Big creepy coach is holding back his son and a few of his favorite players. You could probably find him now on the Crabs 2028 page.

Any 91 helmets at the Crabs tryouts last night?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where could the big creepy coach end up next year? Are we close to running out of options at this point? I guess the FCA defectors did not deliver the expected results so they are all out and moving along. Wonder where the face off kids will end up? Back at 91 and FCA?

Big creepy coach is holding back his son and a few of his favorite players. You could probably find him now on the Crabs 2028 page.

Any 91 helmets at the Crabs tryouts last night?

Yes, a lot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where could the big creepy coach end up next year? Are we close to running out of options at this point? I guess the FCA defectors did not deliver the expected results so they are all out and moving along. Wonder where the face off kids will end up? Back at 91 and FCA?

Big creepy coach is holding back his son and a few of his favorite players. You could probably find him now on the Crabs 2028 page.

Any 91 helmets at the Crabs tryouts last night?

Yes, a lot.

How many 2027 Crabs are holding back to 2028 Crabs?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where could the big creepy coach end up next year? Are we close to running out of options at this point? I guess the FCA defectors did not deliver the expected results so they are all out and moving along. Wonder where the face off kids will end up? Back at 91 and FCA?

Big creepy coach is holding back his son and a few of his favorite players. You could probably find him now on the Crabs 2028 page.

Any 91 helmets at the Crabs tryouts last night?

Yes, a lot.

How many 2027 Crabs are holding back to 2028 Crabs?

Not as many as there are 26s reclassing to 27

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where could the big creepy coach end up next year? Are we close to running out of options at this point? I guess the FCA defectors did not deliver the expected results so they are all out and moving along. Wonder where the face off kids will end up? Back at 91 and FCA?

Big creepy coach is holding back his son and a few of his favorite players. You could probably find him now on the Crabs 2028 page.

Any 91 helmets at the Crabs tryouts last night?

Yes, a lot.

How many 2027 Crabs are holding back to 2028 Crabs?

Allegedly 5. But who knows.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where could the big creepy coach end up next year? Are we close to running out of options at this point? I guess the FCA defectors did not deliver the expected results so they are all out and moving along. Wonder where the face off kids will end up? Back at 91 and FCA?

Big creepy coach is holding back his son and a few of his favorite players. You could probably find him now on the Crabs 2028 page.

Any 91 helmets at the Crabs tryouts last night?

Yes, a lot.

How many 2027 Crabs are holding back to 2028 Crabs?

There are at least 5 holding back. Depends on what you classify as a lot.

DC Express entry at 2027 begins this year. Any information out there?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DC Express entry at 2027 begins this year. Any information out there?

When are these tryouts? Underway?
Interesting. Good option for a lot of kids.

This site stinks. I posted the question about DCE and got 1 quick response but no information. I guess if it's not bashing Hawks and Crabs, what's the point. I guess the owners of the site have decided they get more clicks from bashing than what actual lacrosse might bring.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This site stinks. I posted the question about DCE and got 1 quick response but no information. I guess if it's not bashing Hawks and Crabs, what's the point. I guess the owners of the site have decided they get more clicks from bashing than what actual lacrosse might bring.

What info are you looking for specifically?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This site stinks. I posted the question about DCE and got 1 quick response but no information. I guess if it's not bashing Hawks and Crabs, what's the point. I guess the owners of the site have decided they get more clicks from bashing than what actual lacrosse might bring.

Boo hoo. Are you not able to use Google? I just did a quick Google search and found information about the DC Express tryouts. Separately, they are more of a DC-based team it appears and I think there are a lot of Baltimore folks on this forum. FWIW, tryouts are later this month.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This site stinks. I posted the question about DCE and got 1 quick response but no information. I guess if it's not bashing Hawks and Crabs, what's the point. I guess the owners of the site have decided they get more clicks from bashing than what actual lacrosse might bring.

Boo hoo. Are you not able to use Google? I just did a quick Google search and found information about the DC Express tryouts. Separately, they are more of a DC-based team it appears and I think there are a lot of Baltimore folks on this forum. FWIW, tryouts are later this month.

They are not really dc.

They practice in Poolesville.
If I’m West of Columbia in Howard or Montgomery Co, I’d be looking. Heck that’s not far from Frederick. That could take a few of those Team MD kids too…

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This site stinks. I posted the question about DCE and got 1 quick response but no information. I guess if it's not bashing Hawks and Crabs, what's the point. I guess the owners of the site have decided they get more clicks from bashing than what actual lacrosse might bring.

Boo hoo. Are you not able to use Google? I just did a quick Google search and found information about the DC Express tryouts. Separately, they are more of a DC-based team it appears and I think there are a lot of Baltimore folks on this forum. FWIW, tryouts are later this month.

They are not really dc.

They practice in Poolesville.
If I’m West of Columbia in Howard or Montgomery Co, I’d be looking. Heck that’s not far from Frederick. That could take a few of those Team MD kids too…

Do we expect them to be any better then the Bethesda 27 team was?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DC Express entry at 2027 begins this year. Any information out there?

While this post smells like someone in the DCE org just trying to get people talking, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it's a legit question.

Sure, the DCE website gives the tryout dates, but useful info before deciding to attend would be: who are the 2027 Coaches, where are the practice facilities, and what is the cost structure?

They will probably practice in Potomac but that’s still really far for most Baltimore folks. I agree that good questions to ask are who will the coaches be and how much (although they are probably similar to all the other clubs in the area).

The 2026 DCE team did pretty well in HOCO and in their summer tournaments so perhaps they’ll do better than the BLC 2027s.

I’m not sure you’ll really get the answers to all of your questions unless you go to the tryouts.

Interested to see what FCA will look like next year, with their best player holding back. Also heard there may be a lot of movement especially with the defense. Any insight?

Thanks hawks dad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Interested to see what FCA will look like next year, with their best player holding back. Also heard there may be a lot of movement especially with the defense. Any insight?

Hearing there will be a little turnover there on defense. They have some kids lined up to come in. Unsure about the rest.

The problem is Hawks, Next Level and MadLax have owned the top 3 spots in HoCo. The Baltimore teams are always fighting for 4th. So this game of musical teams is going on perpetually.

Now that Crabs tryouts are complete any surprises with cuts to accommodate space for the holdbacks?

On a side note and knowing rankings at youth is dense, USCL should tweak their algorithm a little. There's no chance Madlax Capital should be ranked over NL. NL beat them twice handily by a combined 23-11. But Madlax has had a terriffic summer with their summer roster players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

On a side note and knowing rankings at youth is dense, USCL should tweak their algorithm a little. There's no chance Madlax Capital should be ranked over NL. NL beat them twice handily by a combined 23-11. But Madlax has had a terriffic summer with their summer roster players.

LOL. Those rankings are a marketing hammerhead that are compiled by Madlax, 91, and a few other clubs that founded US Club Lax in 2018. It's not actually an independent assessment, nor is it accurate. But the fact you're discussing it shows what an effective, beneficial marketing hammerhead it is for the clubs who came up with it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now that Crabs tryouts are complete any surprises with cuts to accommodate space for the holdbacks?

Not really, Couple new players that will make the Crabs a top team. New middies and D pole . Crabs will be a team to beat.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now that Crabs tryouts are complete any surprises with cuts to accommodate space for the holdbacks?

Not really, Couple new players that will make the Crabs a top team. New middies and D pole . Crabs will be a team to beat.

Hope they get some help on attack as well. They are gonna need that to be a “team to beat” next season.

Dude. NL is ranked 7, Madlax is ranked 17. Hammerhead for sure…

What doe Crabs look like at attack? Heard most of them were holding back. Also who stayed for face off and who got cut?

Crabs will be hosting supplemental tryouts this week.

Guess the holdbacks and existing team still isn’t what they are looking for.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs will be hosting supplemental tryouts this week.

For what age groups?

Hawks will continue to dominate the division. In Baltimore, Crabs made some interesting choices with holdbacks. Don’t know that they got better. FCA needs a goalie and some middies. 91 needs more depth but gets the leftovers. Not sure that helps them take the next step.

Will DCE play in Elite in the spring? They didn’t look great at Pinnacle last weekend. Wonder how that 27 team shakes out. Looked like a lot of missing pieces.

Assuming Zingos goes down and Team MD goes up, I can’t see them knocking another team down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will DCE play in Elite in the spring? They didn’t look great at Pinnacle last weekend. Wonder how that 27 team shakes out. Looked like a lot of missing pieces.

Assuming Zingos goes down and Team MD goes up, I can’t see them knocking another team down.

Too early to say. In past years it was easy to put DCE into elite, because BLC was already there, so it was a 1 for 1 swap. But in the 2027 class, BLC was in AAA, so making room for DCE in elite would require HoCo to knock down two teams. Based on Pinnacle, DCE is nowhere near ready for elite, but half of the legacy BLC players were missing, and there is no way to predict what new players will arrive for tryouts. DCE has a history of drawing players from as far north as Baltimore and south as Richmond, plus all the DC teams. They always have excellent coaching. If they get the missing pieces and beat some elite level teams in the fall, then I expect that the Express brand carries enough weight that HoCo would find a way to make room, or at least have a four team play-in tournament as they did for the 2026 class last spring. Two teams in the 2027 elite division (Hawks and NextLevel) have pulled way ahead of the pack, and the other six are pretty ordinary, so if DCE gets it together, it would not be hard to find two candidates who are worthy of moving down into AAA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks will continue to dominate the division. In Baltimore, Crabs made some interesting choices with holdbacks. Don’t know that they got better. FCA needs a goalie and some middies. 91 needs more depth but gets the leftovers. Not sure that helps them take the next step.

-Hawks lost no pieces. They should keep on doing their thing.
-I'm not sure about decisions the Crabs made. But their model is what it is. Logic tells you if these kids were ok for the 8th grade team last year, they might turn into good players for your 8th grade team again. We shall see.
-FCA does need a goalie. And they dont just need middies, they need middies that can beat their man.
-91 is probably a push compared to last year because of their timing. Their starting core is good. They lost a few games when depth was challenged. Their size hurt them.I would try to get some bigger, more athletic kids to push those starters.

Where did the Fogos end up?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks will continue to dominate the division. In Baltimore, Crabs made some interesting choices with holdbacks. Don’t know that they got better. FCA needs a goalie and some middies. 91 needs more depth but gets the leftovers. Not sure that helps them take the next step.

-Hawks lost no pieces. They should keep on doing their thing.
-I'm not sure about decisions the Crabs made. But their model is what it is. Logic tells you if these kids were ok for the 8th grade team last year, they might turn into good players for your 8th grade team again. We shall see.
-FCA does need a goalie. And they dont just need middies, they need middies that can beat their man.
-91 is probably a push compared to last year because of their timing. Their starting core is good. They lost a few games when depth was challenged. Their size hurt them.I would try to get some bigger, more athletic kids to push those starters.

Where did the Fogos end up?

New holdbacks are going to be the catalyst here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will DCE play in Elite in the spring? They didn’t look great at Pinnacle last weekend. Wonder how that 27 team shakes out. Looked like a lot of missing pieces.

Assuming Zingos goes down and Team MD goes up, I can’t see them knocking another team down.

Too early to say. In past years it was easy to put DCE into elite, because BLC was already there, so it was a 1 for 1 swap. But in the 2027 class, BLC was in AAA, so making room for DCE in elite would require HoCo to knock down two teams. Based on Pinnacle, DCE is nowhere near ready for elite, but half of the legacy BLC players were missing, and there is no way to predict what new players will arrive for tryouts. DCE has a history of drawing players from as far north as Baltimore and south as Richmond, plus all the DC teams. They always have excellent coaching. If they get the missing pieces and beat some elite level teams in the fall, then I expect that the Express brand carries enough weight that HoCo would find a way to make room, or at least have a four team play-in tournament as they did for the 2026 class last spring. Two teams in the 2027 elite division (Hawks and NextLevel) have pulled way ahead of the pack, and the other six are pretty ordinary, so if DCE gets it together, it would not be hard to find two candidates who are worthy of moving down into AAA.

So nice to hear a reasonable response.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks will continue to dominate the division. In Baltimore, Crabs made some interesting choices with holdbacks. Don’t know that they got better. FCA needs a goalie and some middies. 91 needs more depth but gets the leftovers. Not sure that helps them take the next step.

-Hawks lost no pieces. They should keep on doing their thing.
-I'm not sure about decisions the Crabs made. But their model is what it is. Logic tells you if these kids were ok for the 8th grade team last year, they might turn into good players for your 8th grade team again. We shall see.
-FCA does need a goalie. And they dont just need middies, they need middies that can beat their man.
-91 is probably a push compared to last year because of their timing. Their starting core is good. They lost a few games when depth was challenged. Their size hurt them.I would try to get some bigger, more athletic kids to push those starters.

Where did the Fogos end up?

New holdbacks are going to be the catalyst here.

How did the holdbacks work for the 2026 Year? Genuinely asking. I know they won HOCO but how did they do in summer tournaments?

DCE is desperately trying to attract players. I don’t see them being much better than what they had as BLC.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DCE is desperately trying to attract players. I don’t see them being much better than what they had as BLC.

They may not be dramatically better than BLC coming out next week's tryout, but they definitely will improve somewhat, due to professional coaching, addition by subtraction, and a few new players.

In order to pull even with NextLevel and Hawks, they will need to get 6-8 difference makers, and those type of players will probably trickle in over the course of the next year. By 9th grade expect this team to be strong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DCE is desperately trying to attract players. I don’t see them being much better than what they had as BLC.

They may not be dramatically better than BLC coming out next week's tryout, but they definitely will improve somewhat, due to professional coaching, addition by subtraction, and a few new players.

In order to pull even with NextLevel and Hawks, they will need to get 6-8 difference makers, and those type of players will probably trickle in over the course of the next year. By 9th grade expect this team to be strong.

DCE will attract good players. It might not happen by early Fall, but by Spring they will have a very competitive team. This was the pattern for both 25 and 26. 26 was a very small group in the Fall that was a strong base and then DCE added handpicked parts along the way. That team played in the HoCo final this past year and will remain very competitive throughout high school, I would expect. Same with 25, except they were "just OK" for HoCo in 8th grade but built the team and very good now. The brand, coaching and location will bring in talent. Not to mention, DCE actually develops their players.

Not trolling: can you explain what you mean by actually develop their players? I think the top 6 or 7 programs in MD at 27 do a good job of that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not trolling: can you explain what you mean by actually develop their players? I think the top 6 or 7 programs in MD at 27 do a good job of that.

Not the PP, but it was probably a reference to MadLax. MadLax brings in new players from around the country week to week instead of developing players they have. It’s no fun to have a kid from Texas show up unexpectedly and you are on the bench. This is one reason why there is an exodus of MadLax 2026 starters to the DCE 2026 team. Expect the MadLax to DCE migration to happen over the course of the next year in 2027.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not trolling: can you explain what you mean by actually develop their players? I think the top 6 or 7 programs in MD at 27 do a good job of that.

Not the PP, but it was probably a reference to MadLax. MadLax brings in new players from around the country week to week instead of developing players they have. It’s no fun to have a kid from Texas show up unexpectedly and you are on the bench. This is one reason why there is an exodus of MadLax 2026 starters to the DCE 2026 team. Expect the MadLax to DCE migration to happen over the course of the next year in 2027.

Exactly. Searching for kids that have grown faster than others, that are more advanced at the moment. As opposed to developing and working with your core group, that comes to all practices and grinds day in and day out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not trolling: can you explain what you mean by actually develop their players? I think the top 6 or 7 programs in MD at 27 do a good job of that.

Not the PP, but it was probably a reference to MadLax. MadLax brings in new players from around the country week to week instead of developing players they have. It’s no fun to have a kid from Texas show up unexpectedly and you are on the bench. This is one reason why there is an exodus of MadLax 2026 starters to the DCE 2026 team. Expect the MadLax to DCE migration to happen over the course of the next year in 2027.

Exactly. Searching for kids that have grown faster than others, that are more advanced at the moment. As opposed to developing and working with your core group, that comes to all practices and grinds day in and day out.

OP here. It is a fine balance for development. In MD we do not need out of state kids to bolster the roster. So that makes sense to develop from local area. What missing?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks will continue to dominate the division. In Baltimore, Crabs made some interesting choices with holdbacks. Don’t know that they got better. FCA needs a goalie and some middies. 91 needs more depth but gets the leftovers. Not sure that helps them take the next step.

-Hawks lost no pieces. They should keep on doing their thing.
-I'm not sure about decisions the Crabs made. But their model is what it is. Logic tells you if these kids were ok for the 8th grade team last year, they might turn into good players for your 8th grade team again. We shall see.
-FCA does need a goalie. And they dont just need middies, they need middies that can beat their man.
-91 is probably a push compared to last year because of their timing. Their starting core is good. They lost a few games when depth was challenged. Their size hurt them.I would try to get some bigger, more athletic kids to push those starters.

Where did the Fogos end up?

New holdbacks are going to be the catalyst here.

How did the holdbacks work for the 2026 Year? Genuinely asking. I know they won HOCO but how did they do in summer tournaments?

I’m guessing you’re asking about Crabs since you’re asking about holdbacks. I don’t think they won any tournaments. Last weekend they lost NLF with a 2-3 record and the weekend before they also went 2-3. They also lost their own tournament, Crabfeast. So despite the holdbacks and out of state players, they’re struggling.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks will continue to dominate the division. In Baltimore, Crabs made some interesting choices with holdbacks. Don’t know that they got better. FCA needs a goalie and some middies. 91 needs more depth but gets the leftovers. Not sure that helps them take the next step.

-Hawks lost no pieces. They should keep on doing their thing.
-I'm not sure about decisions the Crabs made. But their model is what it is. Logic tells you if these kids were ok for the 8th grade team last year, they might turn into good players for your 8th grade team again. We shall see.
-FCA does need a goalie. And they dont just need middies, they need middies that can beat their man.
-91 is probably a push compared to last year because of their timing. Their starting core is good. They lost a few games when depth was challenged. Their size hurt them.I would try to get some bigger, more athletic kids to push those starters.

Where did the Fogos end up?

New holdbacks are going to be the catalyst here.

How did the holdbacks work for the 2026 Year? Genuinely asking. I know they won HOCO but how did they do in summer tournaments?

I’m guessing you’re asking about Crabs since you’re asking about holdbacks. I don’t think they won any tournaments. Last weekend they lost NLF with a 2-3 record and the weekend before they also went 2-3. They also lost their own tournament, Crabfeast. So despite the holdbacks and out of state players, they’re struggling.

This was exactly my question. There is just so much talk about holdbacks as if that’s all it takes. At least they were able to win HOCO.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks will continue to dominate the division. In Baltimore, Crabs made some interesting choices with holdbacks. Don’t know that they got better. FCA needs a goalie and some middies. 91 needs more depth but gets the leftovers. Not sure that helps them take the next step.

-Hawks lost no pieces. They should keep on doing their thing.
-I'm not sure about decisions the Crabs made. But their model is what it is. Logic tells you if these kids were ok for the 8th grade team last year, they might turn into good players for your 8th grade team again. We shall see.
-FCA does need a goalie. And they dont just need middies, they need middies that can beat their man.
-91 is probably a push compared to last year because of their timing. Their starting core is good. They lost a few games when depth was challenged. Their size hurt them.I would try to get some bigger, more athletic kids to push those starters.

Where did the Fogos end up?

New holdbacks are going to be the catalyst here.

How did the holdbacks work for the 2026 Year? Genuinely asking. I know they won HOCO but how did they do in summer tournaments?

I’m guessing you’re asking about Crabs since you’re asking about holdbacks. I don’t think they won any tournaments. Last weekend they lost NLF with a 2-3 record and the weekend before they also went 2-3. They also lost their own tournament, Crabfeast. So despite the holdbacks and out of state players, they’re struggling.

This was exactly my question. There is just so much talk about holdbacks as if that’s all it takes. At least they were able to win HOCO.

True. holdbacks and out state players do help you clench HOCO but can’t make you dominant on the national stage. What’s most interesting is that in places like New York and New England hold backs aren’t really a thing because most of the kids are in public school. They have just been playing together a long time and have really invested and knowledge coaches. And it doesn’t hurt that unlike a lot of teams south of Philly, they’re not for profit. Lacrosse down here is big business.

Looks like all the “Big Guy” from FCA and Crabs trash talking will have to move to the 28 board as he is holding his kid back. So did Crabs upgrade their goalie with this departure?

What was the turnout at Koopers/ True Baltimore tryouts? Are the True parents happy knowing they will become the AA team and Koopers will be the AAA team? Heard the 3 best players from True will move to Koopers while the bottom of Koopers roster will move to True. Can’t imagine parents are happy with this transition.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What was the turnout at Koopers/ True Baltimore tryouts? Are the True parents happy knowing they will become the AA team and Koopers will be the AAA team? Heard the 3 best players from True will move to Koopers while the bottom of Koopers roster will move to True. Can’t imagine parents are happy with this transition.

Turnout was pretty strong, about 100 players for the two teams. True has been upfront with the parents from both teams about plans moving forward. If a player tryouts and gets moved either way, its not like the family didn't know it was a possibility. So its up to them whether to accept or not. If they're bitter about not being where they feel their player should be on these teams, maybe encourage the player to work to get better, or as the hammerheads on these boards say "sorry you got cut. Now HIT THE WALL".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What was the turnout at Koopers/ True Baltimore tryouts? Are the True parents happy knowing they will become the AA team and Koopers will be the AAA team? Heard the 3 best players from True will move to Koopers while the bottom of Koopers roster will move to True. Can’t imagine parents are happy with this transition.

Turnout was pretty strong, about 100 players for the two teams. True has been upfront with the parents from both teams about plans moving forward. If a player tryouts and gets moved either way, its not like the family didn't know it was a possibility. So its up to them whether to accept or not. If they're bitter about not being where they feel their player should be on these teams, maybe encourage the player to work to get better, or as the hammerheads on these boards say "sorry you got cut. Now HIT THE WALL".

True Baltimore literally had three good players. So, Koopers basically got better by 3 players (one of them a very strong shooter). Not expecting either team to set HOCO on fire next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What was the turnout at Koopers/ True Baltimore tryouts? Are the True parents happy knowing they will become the AA team and Koopers will be the AAA team? Heard the 3 best players from True will move to Koopers while the bottom of Koopers roster will move to True. Can’t imagine parents are happy with this transition.

I don’t know why this would be a surprise. True was the AA team last year and Koopers was AAA. Both mediocre

They can hold all the “separate” tryouts they want.
True always smushes them together.

Good luck with all of that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What was the turnout at Koopers/ True Baltimore tryouts? Are the True parents happy knowing they will become the AA team and Koopers will be the AAA team? Heard the 3 best players from True will move to Koopers while the bottom of Koopers roster will move to True. Can’t imagine parents are happy with this transition.

I don’t know why this would be a surprise. True was the AA team last year and Koopers was AAA. Both mediocre

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What was the turnout at Koopers/ True Baltimore tryouts? Are the True parents happy knowing they will become the AA team and Koopers will be the AAA team? Heard the 3 best players from True will move to Koopers while the bottom of Koopers roster will move to True. Can’t imagine parents are happy with this transition.

I don’t know why this would be a surprise. True was the AA team last year and Koopers was AAA. Both mediocre

Koopers ‘27 was a bad AAA team who played down in every summer tournament they entered.

True ‘27 was an OK AA team who told its parents they were not playing to win summer tourneys.

Sounds like the offspirng of these two teams “doing it”will be a bad AAA team or another ok AA team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What was the turnout at Koopers/ True Baltimore tryouts? Are the True parents happy knowing they will become the AA team and Koopers will be the AAA team? Heard the 3 best players from True will move to Koopers while the bottom of Koopers roster will move to True. Can’t imagine parents are happy with this transition.

I don’t know why this would be a surprise. True was the AA team last year and Koopers was AAA. Both mediocre

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What was the turnout at Koopers/ True Baltimore tryouts? Are the True parents happy knowing they will become the AA team and Koopers will be the AAA team? Heard the 3 best players from True will move to Koopers while the bottom of Koopers roster will move to True. Can’t imagine parents are happy with this transition.

I don’t know why this would be a surprise. True was the AA team last year and Koopers was AAA. Both mediocre

Koopers ‘27 was a bad AAA team who played down in every summer tournament they entered.

True ‘27 was an OK AA team who told its parents they were not playing to win summer tourneys.

Sounds like the offspirng of these two teams “doing it”will be a bad AAA team or another ok AA team.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Go back to grousing about the crabs, hawks, holdbacks or how bitter your life is that you feel it necessary to denigrate others.

Someone at Koopers True got their little baby feelings hurt. Nobody is denigrating anyone. The previous posters made fair comments about both team records this season. I hope the combined team does well, especially for as much as the True social media machine hyped these tryouts.

I don’t know why this would be a surprise. True was the AA team last year and Koopers was AAA. Both mediocre[/quote]

Koopers ‘27 was a bad AAA team who played down in every summer tournament they entered.

True ‘27 was an OK AA team who told its parents they were not playing to win summer tourneys.

Sounds like the offspirng of these two teams “doing it”will be a bad AAA team or another ok AA team.[/quote]

This isnt being mean, it’s accurate.

True 27 parents were upset about the tourneys. And their end of season collapse. Their head coach may have been coaching too many teams.

True does the same thing every time they acquire a program. They tell the new club “nothing will change.” Then they raid it for talent, smash teams together, and it’s on to the next. More ugly green/black jerseys next year. More mediocre but expensive lacrosse.

Ps- That Koopers 27 team has been playing down in summer tourneys for 2 years now. NXT, summer exposure, turning point, lake placid. They might have entered one Tourney with AAA talent. And it didn’t turn out well.

Ps- That Koopers 27 team has been playing down in summer tourneys for 2 years now. NXT, summer exposure, turning point, lake placid. They might have entered one Tourney with AAA talent. And it didn’t turn out well.[/quote]

If they're a bad HoCo AAA team, are they really playing down in summer tourney's? Sorry you lost to them. Maybe play "B" next year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ps- That Koopers 27 team has been playing down in summer tourneys for 2 years now. NXT, summer exposure, turning point, lake placid. They might have entered one Tourney with AAA talent. And it didn’t turn out well.

If they're a bad HoCo AAA team, are they really playing down in summer tourney's? Sorry you lost to them. Maybe play "B" next year?[/quote]

LOL.The comments here are almost comical. At 2-5 in Hoco AAA last year, not many teams lost to them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ps- That Koopers 27 team has been playing down in summer tourneys for 2 years now. NXT, summer exposure, turning point, lake placid. They might have entered one Tourney with AAA talent. And it didn’t turn out well.

If they're a bad HoCo AAA team, are they really playing down in summer tourney's? Sorry you lost to them. Maybe play "B" next year?

LOL.The comments here are almost comical. At 2-5 in Hoco AAA last year, not many teams lost to them.[/quote]

The only teams Koopers got wins against we’re rec-level teams- Trues, Rockfish, and Hereford.

As expected, True Baltimore does the old the bait and switch with its Koopers team- Rearranges the rosters, despite the team kids tried out for. Other kids given spots without even trying out.

Lots of unhappy parents. Just a matter if they can find a new home at this late date.

The smart clubs will be hosting supplemental tryouts in case any true kids need a new home.

Wait, so what you are saying is True was dishonest? How could that be that are such a reputable club with integrity I just can not imagine that happened!

Will Koopers be the “better” team as promised?

No such thing as Koopers anymore.

It’s True Baltimore Black (A) and Green (B).

Can we move on from AAA?

how will the '27s line up this year? who got better? who got worse?

Yes let’s move back to the same conversation of how the Hawks will dominate and Crabs and FCA remain inferior to all others.

All you need to know:
Hawks remain relatively same.
Crabs has new midfield with some '26 holdbacks.
91 has new attack and midfield.
FCA has new defense and goalkeeping.
Zingos move to AAA
Team MD moves to Elite.

Hawks- someone said they lost nobody?
Next Level-quiet assuming same group
Madlax- Got better this Summer was it because of out of state players or have they picked up some better local kids?
FCA- Seems to have lost middies and defensive according to earlier post?
Crabs- sounds like lots of holdback reshuffling
91- Haven’t heard much. Lost a d-pole to another program
True Annapolis- gained a couple players from World Series team
Team Md- had 81 tryout for 27 group. Lost a few but core of team together. Picked up a few from other elite programs and PA.
Zingos- no idea
DC Express- trying to poach Team Md players with no success. Not sure who all the scored at their tryouts.

From what I hear:
Hawks didn't turnover much.
Crabs- usual 8th grade moves. If it translates into more goals for the midfield is the big question.
91- Lost a D-Pole, and have little depth there. But gained some good depth on offense.
FCA - lost some defenders from last year, but gained better defenders and goalie. Offense will still be a question mark.

How was turnout at DCE and True/MD tryouts? Considered it but ultimately decided to stay put.

True and DCE weren’t gonna grow that much. All of the good kids got swept up 2 weeks ago when the elite clubs had tryouts.

Yes as to True. DCE got some good ones, and will get more from the elite clubs over the next year, especially the one with the Daddy running the offense.

What clubs did DCE draw from?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What clubs did DCE draw from?

Mainly blc. Not going to be the typical DCE team.

QUOTE- Yes as to True. DCE got some good ones, and will get more from the elite clubs over the next year, especially the one with the Daddy running the offense."

Which team is that? It could be almost any in 2027.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wait, so what you are saying is True was dishonest? How could that be that are such a reputable club with integrity I just can not imagine that happened!

Will Koopers be the “better” team as promised?

I'm not at all surprised by True's antics but I am disappointed for the families and for the Koopers brand/legacy (whatever that means). Koopers has been a great, family focused place to play for "good" athletes for a lot of years.

Never had a kid play for them but wanted to consider them as a backup. I knew their predictions for "independence" were going to be false when the Koopers tryout signup was literally the True Baltimore signup page. The only thing I blame the Koopers directors for, is believing the True sales pitch. We didn't even attend.

Rah Rah True Black, I guess.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What was the turnout at Koopers/ True Baltimore tryouts? Are the True parents happy knowing they will become the AA team and Koopers will be the AAA team? Heard the 3 best players from True will move to Koopers while the bottom of Koopers roster will move to True. Can’t imagine parents are happy with this transition.

Turnout was pretty strong, about 100 players for the two teams. True has been upfront with the parents from both teams about plans moving forward. If a player tryouts and gets moved either way, its not like the family didn't know it was a possibility. So its up to them whether to accept or not. If they're bitter about not being where they feel their player should be on these teams, maybe encourage the player to work to get better, or as the hammerheads on these boards say "sorry you got cut. Now HIT THE WALL".

True Baltimore literally had three good players. So, Koopers basically got better by 3 players (one of them a very strong shooter). Not expecting either team to set HOCO on fire next year.

Koopers didnt get True's "top 3" players. But it did take 3 of True's starters.

Good luck Koopers families.

I’ve never heard a less knowledgeable group of parents from the stands than True.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good luck Koopers families.

I’ve never heard a less knowledgeable group of parents from the stands than True.

You must not have been to a 2027 BLC game. Disinterested kid coach with a bunch of dads trying to help and a bunch of rich suburban moms screaming "pass the ball" as a kid is dodging towards goal.

Hoco Elite will finish:

Hawks
Crabs
NL
FCA
ML
91
True Annapolis
NL

Two NL teams in the Elite. You heard it here first.

I call BS on two NL teams in elite. You heard that here first too!

Not outside the realm of possibility.
The second NL team was 7-0 in AAAA.
Meanwhile Zingos was 0-7 in Elite.

You heard it here first, no way will Crabs finish 2nd. They did not pick up much talent and picked up scraps from FCA and Koopers.

Wrong thread. NL only has 1 team in 2027. You must be referencing a different year.

2027 Elite-

ZIngos Out
Team MD in

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good luck Koopers families.

I’ve never heard a less knowledgeable group of parents from the stands than True.

Nobody who has ever played lax would ever believe that "we train more" moves athletes from average to elite (yes, it does move lax players from horrible to average).

True preys on parents in areas like Harford Co, Cecil Co, and the Glen Burnie / Dena area who have no idea what lax IQ and mental player development are about, and how much difference it makes in 9th-10th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good luck Koopers families.

I’ve never heard a less knowledgeable group of parents from the stands than True.

Nobody who has ever played lax would ever believe that "we train more" moves athletes from average to elite (yes, it does move lax players from horrible to average).

True preys on parents in areas like Harford Co, Cecil Co, and the Glen Burnie / Dena area who have no idea what lax IQ and mental player development are about, and how much difference it makes in 9th-10th grade.

True knows those types of parents are in every area of Maryland. It's why they have teams in Baltimore, DC and Annapolis.

#MotivationalTrainingSlogan #PromisesOfNationalTeams #BLevelTournaments

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2027 Elite-

ZIngos Out
Team MD in

If DCE isn't in Elite, the club is probably going in a direction where 2027's won't be around for next summer and the club will most likely fold after that.

[quote=Anonymous]Hoco Elite will finish:

Hawks
Crabs
NL
FCA
ML
91
True Annapolis
NL

Two NL teams in the Elite. You heard it here first.[/quote

Not even close . There probably won’t be much change from top 3 teams last year

Hawks
NL
ML
91
Crabs
FCA
Team md
True

DCE not in discussion first year team
Top 3 we all know mostly stays same
91 got better
Crabs lost ton offense which where they struggled last year
FCA - lost kids doubt they replaced
True - probably stays same maybe adds some more obnoxious parents
Team Md- don’t be surprised if they don’t end up in middle

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Hoco Elite will finish:

Hawks
Crabs
NL
FCA
ML
91
True Annapolis
NL

Two NL teams in the Elite. You heard it here first.[/quote

Not even close . There probably won’t be much change from top 3 teams last year

Hawks
NL
ML
91
Crabs
FCA
Team md
True

DCE not in discussion first year team
Top 3 we all know mostly stays same
91 got better
Crabs lost ton offense which where they struggled last year
FCA - lost kids doubt they replaced
True - probably stays same maybe adds some more obnoxious parents
Team Md- don’t be surprised if they don’t end up in middle

Where did Crabs offense go? Players reclassified to 2028?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Hoco Elite will finish:

Hawks
Crabs
NL
FCA
ML
91
True Annapolis
NL

Two NL teams in the Elite. You heard it here first.[/quote

Not even close . There probably won’t be much change from top 3 teams last year

Hawks
NL
ML
91
Crabs
FCA
Team md
True

DCE not in discussion first year team
Top 3 we all know mostly stays same
91 got better
Crabs lost ton offense which where they struggled last year
FCA - lost kids doubt they replaced
True - probably stays same maybe adds some more obnoxious parents
Team Md- don’t be surprised if they don’t end up in middle

What happened to Crabs offense? Did they drop players to 2028?

DCE not in discussion first year team [quote][/quote]

I guess the dce 2026's didn't play elite? You don't know anything.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DCE not in discussion first year team

Quote

I guess the dce 2026's didn't play elite? You don't know anything.

The BLC 2026 team was already in elite, so DCE continued in their place. BLC 2027 was in the next lower division, so people are wondering if HoCo will find room in elite for DCE 2027 in the spring.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DCE not in discussion first year team

Quote

I guess the dce 2026's didn't play elite? You don't know anything.

Calm down DCE dad. You sound like predator parents from last year ! Let me know how that turned out . If you think DCE is going to play Elite tell me how many kids you stole from other current elite teams. Because that’s what it would take.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DCE not in discussion first year team

Quote

I guess the dce 2026's didn't play elite? You don't know anything.

Calm down DCE dad. You sound like predator parents from last year ! Let me know how that turned out . If you think DCE is going to play Elite tell me how many kids you stole from other current elite teams. Because that’s what it would take.

The only elite team players moving over to BLC, whoops I mean DCE, are the ones that don't get any playing time and are looking for greener pastures. You're going to end up with a middle of the road AAA team that might be able to pull off a better record than last season when they went 4-3.

Also, how does the 2026 DCE team have anything to do with this? Are there members of that team that are holding back for another year of middle school?

It's not a Preds boast but a prediction of the future of DCE. If DCE is not going to play in Elite, the founder will fold up the club. His son is done with HoCo and he has very little incentive to keep it going. The 2027 feeder BLC team was average before the coach walked out during the pandemic with 13 players and now they aren't very competitive at all. The 2028 BLC team isn't good either. DCE 2027's might make it to the summer season only because they collect the team fee for the year.

You are correct. The DCE 2027 got no one from NL, a couple of DMV ML players, a couple of VLC. and a couple of Team MD. Otherwise, the core is the BLC 2027's and that's not very good.

The 2026 DCE team comes into this because it was a first year club playing Elite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's not a Preds boast but a prediction of the future of DCE. If DCE is not going to play in Elite, the founder will fold up the club. His son is done with HoCo and he has very little incentive to keep it going. The 2027 feeder BLC team was average before the coach walked out during the pandemic with 13 players and now they aren't very competitive at all. The 2028 BLC team isn't good either. DCE 2027's might make it to the summer season only because they collect the team fee for the year.

You are correct. The DCE 2027 got no one from NL, a couple of DMV ML players, a couple of VLC. and a couple of Team MD. Otherwise, the core is the BLC 2027's and that's not very good.

The 2026 DCE team comes into this because it was a first year club playing Elite.

Hmmm, not sure how you could call 2026 DCE a "first year club" for the spring 2022 season when I'm guessing it was mostly the 2026 BLC Blue team renamed DCE. 2026 BLC Blue played in Elite in 2021, so it was not a big deal that they would continue in Elite for 2022 as the rebranded 2026 DCE.

Unless 2027 DCE puts on incredible fall and spring thaw tournament showings against elite level teams, the competition committee will keep them in AAA.

Someone prior said they were a first year team and had no chance at elite. The point is the DCE founder and coaches aren't sticking around for sub Elite teams. AA

Because only the Hawks, NL, and ML can be good. And nobody will ever leave. In fact every kid from those teams will take face offs at Syracuse. All of them. Incredible.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Because only the Hawks, NL, and ML can be good. And nobody will ever leave. In fact every kid from those teams will take face offs at Syracuse. All of them. Incredible.

Regardless if you like those teams or not they have been top 3 forever and I don’t see that changing. And no my son doesn’t play for any of the 3.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Because only the Hawks, NL, and ML can be good. And nobody will ever leave. In fact every kid from those teams will take face offs at Syracuse. All of them. Incredible.

This is a little much, obsessed daddy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Because only the Hawks, NL, and ML can be good. And nobody will ever leave. In fact every kid from those teams will take face offs at Syracuse. All of them. Incredible.

This is a little much, obsessed daddy

Do you think he was being sarcastic, maybe?

Why doesn't he try winning a faceoff against the Preds first?

Preds > Styracuse

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All you need to know:
Hawks remain relatively same.
Crabs has new midfield with some '26 holdbacks.
91 has new attack and midfield.
FCA has new defense and goalkeeping.
Zingos move to AAA
Team MD moves to Elite.

Hawks will be the team to beat.
Team MD will be the surprise team of Elite.
Crabs holdbacks might help them score.
91 and FCA will be playing for 4th best in MD.
ML will beat the rest.

Doesn’t NextLevel still have a 2027 team?

Does anyone know if any teams are looking for an elite goalie? My son is in between clubs at the moment.

Elite goalies are never between teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite goalies are never between teams

I don’t know about that. There aren’t a lot of elite teams out there. So there could be an elite goalie without a home.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Doesn’t NextLevel still have a 2027 team?

Are you thinking of VLC? They folded and mostly went to DCE.

Originally Posted by Phenotype

Does anyone know if any teams are looking for an elite goalie? My son is in between clubs at the moment.

Who did he play for?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Doesn’t NextLevel still have a 2027 team?

Are you thinking of VLC? They folded and mostly went to DCE.

Next Level definitely has a 2027 team in the elite bracket.

Try MadLax. They rely on fly in goalies and would probably be happy to have a local.

We’re out of state. Played some over the summer with one of the elite teams. Looking for a club that might be open to an out of state player.

Madlax, crabs

Try the elite team you guested with.
I can’t think of any elite division teams who need help at goalie. Some even have 2 good options.

Unless you are already the out of state goalie for Madlax and looking for another team.

Agree with the pp. madlax and crabs might be interested.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DCE not in discussion first year team

Quote

I guess the dce 2026's didn't play elite? You don't know anything.

Hey Sherlock, 2027 BLC wasn’t in Elite last year either. They’ve always been a step below, but doesn’t mean they wont pick up a few new players and compete for Elite spot as DC Express. The DCE teams typically pick up a few new kids every year during that transition.

Looks like Next Level has jumped into the money grab and guest player business for the 2027's. 4 out of state players and 29 on the roster.

What is the benefit of playing with DCE?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like Next Level has jumped into the money grab and guest player business for the 2027's. 4 out of state players and 29 on the roster.

Wow. The out of state players are part of the game nowadays so no surprise there. Nice to pick up a second goalie. But 29 players? What are the parents of the last 10 on the roster thinking?

Originally Posted by Phenotype

What is the benefit of playing with DCE?

Here's what you need to look at for DCE. https://www.dcelacrosse.com
Take a look at the site and let me kow if you want to spend several thousand dollars a year pre-paid for the year.
Only 2 coaches listed and I'm not sure they coach anymore.
Tryout information is old.
Prep Camp information is from 2021.
The league information is from 2 years ago and they list men's leagues for a HS and MS club
Last social media post is August 21
FB pinned post is for tryouts for 2021 and never responded to request on 2022 tryout dates.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like Next Level has jumped into the money grab and guest player business for the 2027's. 4 out of state players and 29 on the roster.

Wow. The out of state players are part of the game nowadays so no surprise there. Nice to pick up a second goalie. But 29 players? What are the parents of the last 10 on the roster thinking?

Do you have a better option for those 10?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like Next Level has jumped into the money grab and guest player business for the 2027's. 4 out of state players and 29 on the roster.

Wow. The out of state players are part of the game nowadays so no surprise there. Nice to pick up a second goalie. But 29 players? What are the parents of the last 10 on the roster thinking?

Do you have a better option for those 10?

Usually when a kid is bottom 10 at that roster he won’t play much. His parents will complain and next year be at different club. There is a real problem with bringing kids from out of state. The crabs are famous for this on 26 cause they were good but doubt much draw for 27 other then try board at BL. So the rumors are madlax NL and also true is going to bring out state kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like Next Level has jumped into the money grab and guest player business for the 2027's. 4 out of state players and 29 on the roster.

Wow. The out of state players are part of the game nowadays so no surprise there. Nice to pick up a second goalie. But 29 players? What are the parents of the last 10 on the roster thinking?

Do you have a better option for those 10?

Sadly the landscape for 2027's is not great, but any option is better than never getting to play.
So if my son were 20 to 29 on the NextLevel roster, here are the options I would consider:

MadLax Capital, if he is an attackman, middie, or goalie. They are thin at those positions, so the bottom 10 on NextLevel could probably make MadLax fairly easily.
MadLax DMV - their roster is huge too, but somebody on the bottom of NL 2027 would still be an immediate starter
DCE - they have a black and orange team, so he would get to play on at least one of those
Hammers - if we lived in Loudon or Fairfax County, I would probably go here.
I would stay away from True.
It is too bad that NextLevel 2027 does not have an A and B team; they had a zillion kids at tryouts.

Making attack on ML27 would be harder than expected even though I agree they are thin. Head coach's son plays lefty attack and shouldn't be on the cap team at all never mind the starter who plays 100% of the game. It's been a huge issue the last couple of years (same on 28s where the coach moved his kid to attack and is average compared to their original starters) and has led to some of the original ML kids leaving for other clubs.

Daddy ball happens everywhere in lacrosse, I know, but it is very prominent on ML 28, 27 and 24 age groups to the detriment of better athletes and boys who have been loyal to the program from the beginning. Just ask the kids/parents (they all talk) and they will tell you the same thing....especially the kids who have left or the large groups of them thinking about leaving because of it. They are not a happy parent group.

Surprises me that NL is going down this road. It always appeared to me that the NL owner was more loyal to the long time customers than ML. It's an unfortunate development. I don't have a dog in the fight because my kid plays for a different club now but I know a lot of ML parents across a large swath of age groups. It's an oft discussed topic. Maybe some sour grapes here, but doesn't mean it's not true...fwiw

Agree with the PP that an attackman should not go hear ML 2027, because you are competing against two excellent righties players, and on the left side the most extreme case of daddy ball imaginable. Other teams know it and exploit it. Poles should stay away from ML too, because they are stacked there and they seem to keep adding. But if your son is a middie or a goalie, and you don't mind a toxic culture, then MadLax is an option.
But Hammers and DCE are closing the gap on MadLax talent wise, because the demise of VLC sent players to both teams, and both are more healthy environments.
So if my son were no. 20 to 29 on NextLevel, I would go to one of those two.

Interestingly, NL 28 just picked up the old ML27 goalie who reclassed. He is a really-really good goalie. I do know NL28 already has a solid kid in the cage who has been there since day 1. Be interesting to see how that shakes out because it will be a real test of loyalty for the organization. Something tells me if one is playing more than the other DCE (or someone else) could be getting an ace cage-guy who was disappointed about playing time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree with the PP that an attackman should not go hear ML 2027, because you are competing against two excellent righties players, and on the left side the most extreme case of daddy ball imaginable. Other teams know it and exploit it. Poles should stay away from ML too, because they are stacked there and they seem to keep adding. But if your son is a middie or a goalie, and you don't mind a toxic culture, then MadLax is an option.
But Hammers and DCE are closing the gap on MadLax talent wise, because the demise of VLC sent players to both teams, and both are more healthy environments.
So if my son were no. 20 to 29 on NextLevel, I would go to one of those two.

My son plays for 2027 Madlax Cap, and there's nothing toxic about the culture. Great kids, great parents and great coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Interestingly, NL 28 just picked up the old ML27 goalie who reclassed. He is a really-really good goalie. I do know NL28 already has a solid kid in the cage who has been there since day 1. Be interesting to see how that shakes out because it will be a real test of loyalty for the organization. Something tells me if one is playing more than the other DCE (or someone else) could be getting an ace cage-guy who was disappointed about playing time.

If he's really really good why then why did he reclass to play against younger kids?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Interestingly, NL 28 just picked up the old ML27 goalie who reclassed. He is a really-really good goalie. I do know NL28 already has a solid kid in the cage who has been there since day 1. Be interesting to see how that shakes out because it will be a real test of loyalty for the organization. Something tells me if one is playing more than the other DCE (or someone else) could be getting an ace cage-guy who was disappointed about playing time.

If he's really really good why then why did he reclass to play against younger kids?

Probably because they aren't younger. Most of the teams in the elite division have plenty of reclass or holdbacks of their own.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Interestingly, NL 28 just picked up the old ML27 goalie who reclassed. He is a really-really good goalie. I do know NL28 already has a solid kid in the cage who has been there since day 1. Be interesting to see how that shakes out because it will be a real test of loyalty for the organization. Something tells me if one is playing more than the other DCE (or someone else) could be getting an ace cage-guy who was disappointed about playing time.

If he's really really good why then why did he reclass to play against younger kids?

Maybe he needed to repeat a grade for academics?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Interestingly, NL 28 just picked up the old ML27 goalie who reclassed. He is a really-really good goalie. I do know NL28 already has a solid kid in the cage who has been there since day 1. Be interesting to see how that shakes out because it will be a real test of loyalty for the organization. Something tells me if one is playing more than the other DCE (or someone else) could be getting an ace cage-guy who was disappointed about playing time.

If he's really really good why then why did he reclass to play against younger kids?

Probably because they aren't younger. Most of the teams in the elite division have plenty of reclass or holdbacks of their own.

Ah that makes much more sense--he was so dominant against 2027 players, that he's seeking out a new challenge in the 2028 division, and while it may seem may seem like he's playing against younger players, he in fact isn't, because all the 2028 players are really 2027s who also held back.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Interestingly, NL 28 just picked up the old ML27 goalie who reclassed. He is a really-really good goalie. I do know NL28 already has a solid kid in the cage who has been there since day 1. Be interesting to see how that shakes out because it will be a real test of loyalty for the organization. Something tells me if one is playing more than the other DCE (or someone else) could be getting an ace cage-guy who was disappointed about playing time.

If he's really really good why then why did he reclass to play against younger kids?

Probably because they aren't younger. Most of the teams in the elite division have plenty of reclass or holdbacks of their own.

This has to be one densest things ever read on here. Did you proof read this before hit post? People stop making excuses for holding you kids back to make them look good at sports. You look pathetic !

The abyss conversation, holdbacks.

The best player in 27s?
Discuss.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best player in 27s?
Discuss.

Hawks win HoCo every season, and one player generates a huge portion of their offense. They have a dominant goalie too. Hard to argue for anybody other than those two. Honorable mention to the attackman who left MadLax for NextLevel.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best player in 27s?
Discuss.

Hawks win HoCo every season, and one player generates a huge portion of their offense. They have a dominant goalie too. Hard to argue for anybody other than those two. Honorable mention to the attackman who left MadLax for NextLevel.

Forgive me, but which player is this?

I've seen them twice, but no one kid stuck out the times I've seen them. Middie? Attackman?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best player in 27s?
Discuss.

Hawks win HoCo every season, and one player generates a huge portion of their offense. They have a dominant goalie too. Hard to argue for anybody other than those two. Honorable mention to the attackman who left MadLax for NextLevel.

Agree 100 percent

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Agree as well

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best player in 27s?
Discuss.

Hawks win HoCo every season, and one player generates a huge portion of their offense. They have a dominant goalie too. Hard to argue for anybody other than those two. Honorable mention to the attackman who left MadLax for NextLevel.

Curious the reason why the attackman left ML for NL?

I think many people have complained about ML for years. I believe they have daddy ball issues at the 27 age group. NL won’t have that issue.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think many people have complained about ML for years. I believe they have daddy ball issues at the 27 age group. NL won’t have that issue.

yes, daddy ball taken to the extreme, combined with culture issues stemming from player(s) who came over in the BLC merger.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think many people have complained about ML for years. I believe they have daddy ball issues at the 27 age group. NL won’t have that issue.

NL looks to be following the ML model with bloated rosters and out of state players. They may not have daddy ball but they will have other issues to deal with.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think many people have complained about ML for years. I believe they have daddy ball issues at the 27 age group. NL won’t have that issue.

NL looks to be following the ML model with bloated rosters and out of state players. They may not have daddy ball but they will have other issues to deal with.

Sounds like every elite team is going to have out-of-state players next year. At this age group should be no more parents coaching.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think many people have complained about ML for years. I believe they have daddy ball issues at the 27 age group. NL won’t have that issue.

NL looks to be following the ML model with bloated rosters and out of state players. They may not have daddy ball but they will have other issues to deal with.

Correct on NextLevel - 29 players, including some out of state. I would detest to be one of the bottom 8-10 players on that roster.

But MadLax actually has the opposite problem, only 22 players on its Capital roster, including at least 5-6 who are not elite level players, and they play with a very short bench. The daddy ball problem is going to make it hard to get new players for the offensive half of the field, which is where they need help.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think many people have complained about ML for years. I believe they have daddy ball issues at the 27 age group. NL won’t have that issue.

yes, daddy ball taken to the extreme, combined with culture issues stemming from player(s) who came over in the BLC merger.

What kind of culture issues?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best player in 27s?
Discuss.

Hawks win HoCo every season, and one player generates a huge portion of their offense. They have a dominant goalie too. Hard to argue for anybody other than those two. Honorable mention to the attackman who left MadLax for NextLevel.

Curious the reason why the attackman left ML for NL?

The mom got caught being super snarky regarding the coach and daddy ball. They were asked to leave.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best player in 27s?
Discuss.

Hawks win HoCo every season, and one player generates a huge portion of their offense. They have a dominant goalie too. Hard to argue for anybody other than those two. Honorable mention to the attackman who left MadLax for NextLevel.

Curious the reason why the attackman left ML for NL?

The mom got caught being super snarky regarding the coach and daddy ball. They were asked to leave.

Not the full story, and not a good trade for MadLax. Actually the majority of ML team parents were (and still are) snarky about daddy ball and the culture issues, and for good reason. This team used to be competitive with Hawks and NextLevel, but were shellacked by both this spring.

Daddy ball is becoming a HUGE issue at ML, and I am an ML parent so I am saying this with first hand knowledge. It has killed the 24 and 27 teams. To say otherwise is simply spin. There are also constant stream of complaints with the 28 parents and now the 29s brought on a 2nd dad coach to replace the former dad coach who moved down to coach his kid in the 2030s. It's not a surprise that the most consistent team (and happy parents) in the ML family are the 25 and 31 classes. Why? Because it's one of the few non-dad head coaches at ML.....and he coaches both teams. It will be a shame if the ML28s (or 29s) blow up like the 24/27s -- and it came close to it this past summer -- because they have been one of the better teams in their age group since they picked up a stick.

Parents want to be involved, but they shouldn't be head coaches with the power to play their kids over more talented athletes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Daddy ball is becoming a HUGE issue at ML, and I am an ML parent so I am saying this with first hand knowledge. It has killed the 24 and 27 teams. To say otherwise is simply spin. There are also constant stream of complaints with the 28 parents and now the 29s brought on a 2nd dad coach to replace the former dad coach who moved down to coach his kid in the 2030s. It's not a surprise that the most consistent team (and happy parents) in the ML family are the 25 and 31 classes. Why? Because it's one of the few non-dad head coaches at ML.....and he coaches both teams. It will be a shame if the ML28s (or 29s) blow up like the 24/27s -- and it came close to it this past summer -- because they have been one of the better teams in their age group since they picked up a stick.

Parents want to be involved, but they shouldn't be head coaches with the power to play their kids over more talented athletes.

Heard directly from another 27 ML parent it’s more than daddy ball issues. Daddy coaches favoring the politicking and lobbying parents they’re friends for more playing time for their kids. All the while those favorited kids are bullying and demeaning the bottom kids. Also told the 29 ML coach that reclassed own kid to 30 because he was being bullied so bad by the teams best player it drove his own kid to quit. And the coach stayed over the summer and the kid didn’t play until the fall when he reclassed to the 30. That is just nuts!! Instead of addressing the problem the coach, who’s also the kids dad, chose to let his kid quit and not punish and stop the teams best player. All so they could win. Winning over integrity and principles. That’s more than daddy ball, that’s a major cultural problem with ML and speaks how bad this sport has lost its way in our area.

On 2027, there are kid(s) who don’t even belong on the team who demean better players into quitting. The coaches just look the other way.

Looks like a couple people are piling up on ML here. My kid plays for the 27 team and like any team, there are a few kids on the bottom of the depth chart that probably need more development, but I haven't heard from anyone about kids getting demeaned by other kids into quitting or about "daddy ball" issues. It's a great mix of kids from a bunch of different schools who really seem to support each other - win or lose.

A few kids left after the summer, but they were LSMs and defenders who weren't getting the playing time they wanted. ML 27 is pretty strong and deep at defense and LSM, so it's understandable that those kids wanted to seek other opportunities.

As for out of state kids, ML 27has a goalie out of KY who splits time with a local goalie, and there are 2 kids from central VA who chose ML as a more competitive option over their local clubs. To my knowledge, none of them were recruited in any way.

It's easy to pile on ML because we always seem to be out front on this stuff. If you don't think the head coach and his mini-me haven't driven players off the team you aren't paying attention. The problem became so severe, one of the players left the school so as not to interact with them anymore.

At least 10 players have left the team over the last 2 years to either BLC, NL, VLC. This has ranged from playing time issues to personal issues. Then you take the out of state players taking time from kids who go to practice and whose parents pay the team fee and you get more people leaving this summer. KY - really? Richmond - really? How about when 20 local kids travel to out of town tournaments and suddenly 4-5 players show up from who knows where and the local kids land on the bench. Must be okay because the name is now Nationals instead of Capitals. Hey, don't worry. Your kid can play in a DMV tournament and take their playing time.

2027 ML has been an awful experience. We are literally held captive because there are no other options inside the beltway.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's easy to pile on ML because we always seem to be out front on this stuff. If you don't think the head coach and his mini-me haven't driven players off the team you aren't paying attention. The problem became so severe, one of the players left the school so as not to interact with them anymore.

At least 10 players have left the team over the last 2 years to either BLC, NL, VLC. This has ranged from playing time issues to personal issues. Then you take the out of state players taking time from kids who go to practice and whose parents pay the team fee and you get more people leaving this summer. KY - really? Richmond - really? How about when 20 local kids travel to out of town tournaments and suddenly 4-5 players show up from who knows where and the local kids land on the bench. Must be okay because the name is now Nationals instead of Capitals. Hey, don't worry. Your kid can play in a DMV tournament and take their playing time.

2027 ML has been an awful experience. We are literally held captive because there are no other options inside the beltway.

Ok, time to move this over to the ML page.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's easy to pile on ML because we always seem to be out front on this stuff. If you don't think the head coach and his mini-me haven't driven players off the team you aren't paying attention. The problem became so severe, one of the players left the school so as not to interact with them anymore.

At least 10 players have left the team over the last 2 years to either BLC, NL, VLC. This has ranged from playing time issues to personal issues. Then you take the out of state players taking time from kids who go to practice and whose parents pay the team fee and you get more people leaving this summer. KY - really? Richmond - really? How about when 20 local kids travel to out of town tournaments and suddenly 4-5 players show up from who knows where and the local kids land on the bench. Must be okay because the name is now Nationals instead of Capitals. Hey, don't worry. Your kid can play in a DMV tournament and take their playing time.

2027 ML has been an awful experience. We are literally held captive because there are no other options inside the beltway.

Ok, time to move this over to the ML page.

The 2027's are not a typical MadLax team. MadLax typically gets 18-20 players recruited per class. But among the local 2027 players, this team only has roughly 2 attackmen, 3 middies (at most), 3-4 poles, and no goalies, worthy of college interest. And they are unlikely to pick up good, new local players from NextLevel or DCE, because families on those teams know about the culture issues. expect the ML 27 team to be flooded with players from Dallas, Kentucky, NC, etc. over the next couple of years.

Not a Madlax defender/supporter, but how on earth do you know who will and will not be recruited at that age/grade?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's easy to pile on ML because we always seem to be out front on this stuff. If you don't think the head coach and his mini-me haven't driven players off the team you aren't paying attention. The problem became so severe, one of the players left the school so as not to interact with them anymore.

At least 10 players have left the team over the last 2 years to either BLC, NL, VLC. This has ranged from playing time issues to personal issues. Then you take the out of state players taking time from kids who go to practice and whose parents pay the team fee and you get more people leaving this summer. KY - really? Richmond - really? How about when 20 local kids travel to out of town tournaments and suddenly 4-5 players show up from who knows where and the local kids land on the bench. Must be okay because the name is now Nationals instead of Capitals. Hey, don't worry. Your kid can play in a DMV tournament and take their playing time.

2027 ML has been an awful experience. We are literally held captive because there are no other options inside the beltway.

detest to say it, but going to practice and paying the fee doesn't guarantee anyone playing time at the AA level and above at any club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]
The 2027's are not a typical MadLax team. MadLax typically gets 18-20 players recruited per class. But among the local 2027 players, this team only has roughly 2 attackmen, 3 middies (at most), 3-4 poles, and no goalies, worthy of college interest. And they are unlikely to pick up good, new local players from NextLevel or DCE, because families on those teams know about the culture issues. expect the ML 27 team to be flooded with players from Dallas, Kentucky, NC, etc. over the next couple of years.

I agree with the previous poster, that I don't really know how you can tell who will be recruited at that age, but you just listed 8-9 players - which sounds like a lot to me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a Madlax defender/supporter, but how on earth do you know who will and will not be recruited at that age/grade?

You don’t.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]
The 2027's are not a typical MadLax team. MadLax typically gets 18-20 players recruited per class. But among the local 2027 players, this team only has roughly 2 attackmen, 3 middies (at most), 3-4 poles, and no goalies, worthy of college interest. And they are unlikely to pick up good, new local players from NextLevel or DCE, because families on those teams know about the culture issues. expect the ML 27 team to be flooded with players from Dallas, Kentucky, NC, etc. over the next couple of years.

I agree with the previous poster, that I don't really know how you can tell who will be recruited at that age, but you just listed 8-9 players - which sounds like a lot to me.

By MadLax standards, 8-9 players on track to be recruited is extremely low. And yes, you can predict in 8th grade which players will be of interest to college coaches. Coaches begin making their lists at showcases and prospect days in 9th grade, and then watch closely in 10th grade, because commitments begin on September 1 of 11th grade. It is not hard to watch an 8th grade team play and predict which players will be worth watching in 9th and 10th grade.

Can we please go back to hating on true ,hawks and crabs? Or complaining about holdbacks. Just about every team has parent and coaching issues especially with parent coaches. Still confused about the draw to play for these teams in hoco when none of them can win a legitimate summer tournament! Some of you need to chill on the recruiting just cause your kids good in 8th grade doesn’t mean anything.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's easy to pile on ML because we always seem to be out front on this stuff. If you don't think the head coach and his mini-me haven't driven players off the team you aren't paying attention. The problem became so severe, one of the players left the school so as not to interact with them anymore.

At least 10 players have left the team over the last 2 years to either BLC, NL, VLC. This has ranged from playing time issues to personal issues. Then you take the out of state players taking time from kids who go to practice and whose parents pay the team fee and you get more people leaving this summer. KY - really? Richmond - really? How about when 20 local kids travel to out of town tournaments and suddenly 4-5 players show up from who knows where and the local kids land on the bench. Must be okay because the name is now Nationals instead of Capitals. Hey, don't worry. Your kid can play in a DMV tournament and take their playing time.

2027 ML has been an awful experience. We are literally held captive because there are no other options inside the beltway.

Naively perhaps, I've never given much thought to how "in-town" parents and players feel about "out-of-town" players joining their team. I personally don't see the problem if the out-of-towners are paying the same fees and making a legitimate effort to attend practices. I assume most of those out of towners are coming to places like NL, ML or DCE because their local clubs aren't as strong, and they want to play with and against better competition in an effort to get better themselves.

I suppose another option for kids in less lax intense areas is to try to join one of the national programs, but there aren't that many of those - especially if you're not already affiliated with a big club like Team 91, True or Sweet Lax. It seems the downside with the national programs is that they don't practice as a team that often, so most kids who play for national teams have to stay with their local program as well - and I would imagine playing for two programs might be costly and time consuming.

Curious what people's thoughts are on this? I've heard plenty of folks complain about the national all-star teams, but parents or kids complaining about out-of-towners taking their playing time is a new one for me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's easy to pile on ML because we always seem to be out front on this stuff. If you don't think the head coach and his mini-me haven't driven players off the team you aren't paying attention. The problem became so severe, one of the players left the school so as not to interact with them anymore.

At least 10 players have left the team over the last 2 years to either BLC, NL, VLC. This has ranged

from playing time issues to personal issues. Then you take the out of state players taking time from kids who go to practice and whose parents pay the team fee and you get more people leaving this summer. KY - really? Richmond - really? How about when 20 local kids travel to out of town tournaments and suddenly 4-5 players show up from who knows where and the local kids land on the bench. Must be okay because the name is now Nationals instead of Capitals. Hey, don't worry. Your kid can play in a DMV tournament and take their playing time.

2027 ML has been an awful experience. We are literally held captive because there are no other options inside the beltway.

Naively perhaps, I've never given much thought to how "in-town" parents and players feel about "out-of-town" players joining their team. I personally don't see the problem if the out-of-towners are paying the same fees and making a legitimate effort to attend practices. I assume most of those out of towners are coming to places like NL, ML or DCE because their local clubs aren't as strong, and they want to play with and against better competition in an effort to get better themselves.

I suppose another option for kids in less lax intense areas is to try to join one of the national programs, but there aren't that many of those - especially if you're not already affiliated with a big club like Team 91, True or Sweet Lax. It seems the downside with the national programs is that they don't practice as a team that often, so most kids who play for national teams have to stay with their local program as well - and I would imagine playing for two programs might be costly and time consuming.

Curious what people's thoughts are on this? I've heard plenty of folks complain about the national all-star teams, but parents or kids complaining about out-of-towners taking their playing time is a new one for me.

Easy answer to this question if the kid is from out of state and only flies or drives for the weekend practice and Hoko games and there’s an issue. He’s only there half the time why should he start or take someone else’s position

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Easy answer to this question if the kid is from out of state and only flies or drives for the weekend practice and Hoko games and there’s an issue. He’s only there half the time why should he start or take someone else’s position

Because he's better and is paying the same fees as everyone else

Is he and does he? Ml guest players don’t pay as much.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Easy answer to this question if the kid is from out of state and only flies or drives for the weekend practice and Hoko games and there’s an issue. He’s only there half the time why should he start or take someone else’s position

Because he's better and is paying the same fees as everyone else

Exactly what a out town parent or coach with out town kids would say. So kids practice all week without that kid and he gets to just come in and play? The problem is out of town kids are held to different standards.let a local kid miss practice all week and only show up on weekends. should he start cause pays same money??? Also what is your club really playing for king of hoco? None of you have been able
To beat hawks since 3rd grade and they have zero out town kids. Can’t wait for answer to this one

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's easy to pile on ML because we always seem to be out front on this stuff. If you don't think the head coach and his mini-me haven't driven players off the team you aren't paying attention. The problem became so severe, one of the players left the school so as not to interact with them anymore.

At least 10 players have left the team over the last 2 years to either BLC, NL, VLC. This has ranged from playing time issues to personal issues. Then you take the out of state players taking time from kids who go to practice and whose parents pay the team fee and you get more people leaving this summer. KY - really? Richmond - really? How about when 20 local kids travel to out of town tournaments and suddenly 4-5 players show up from who knows where and the local kids land on the bench. Must be okay because the name is now Nationals instead of Capitals. Hey, don't worry. Your kid can play in a DMV tournament and take their playing time.

2027 ML has been an awful experience. We are literally held captive because there are no other options inside the beltway.

Naively perhaps, I've never given much thought to how "in-town" parents and players feel about "out-of-town" players joining their team. I personally don't see the problem if the out-of-towners are paying the same fees and making a legitimate effort to attend practices. I assume most of those out of towners are coming to places like NL, ML or DCE because their local clubs aren't as strong, and they want to play with and against better competition in an effort to get better themselves.

I suppose another option for kids in less lax intense areas is to try to join one of the national programs, but there aren't that many of those - especially if you're not already affiliated with a big club like Team 91, True or Sweet Lax. It seems the downside with the national programs is that they don't practice as a team that often, so most kids who play for national teams have to stay with their local program as well - and I would imagine playing for two programs might be costly and time consuming.

Curious what people's thoughts are on this? I've heard plenty of folks complain about the national all-star teams, but parents or kids complaining about out-of-towners taking their playing time is a new one for me.

What are the local kids told? Are they rolling up to a tournament excited to play then see Johnny Texas on the bench and never see the field? Are they told before the tournament that they are now third line?

I think the only way it is even remotely acceptable is if very early in the season, even better if at tryouts, they are told that often they will be on the bench when Johnny Texas shows up. Then they can decide if that team is the right fit.

Each program has a different model, and none of them are perfect, but families need to ask these questions BEFORE joining the team and decide what works best for your son.
If you want an old fashioned model with the same roster all season and no out of town players, go with VLC. They are not 100% pure in that respect, but they are close. That approach yields uneven results on the field; for example, the VLC 2026 team is on par with MadLax and DC Express, but the VLC 2025 team is behind those two, and their 2027 team folded altogether.
MadLax is at the other extreme, and they do not really try to hide it. They will draw players from around the country on both short term and long term basis. They have players fly in every week for HoCo and for tournaments, and some families move to DC for parts of the year for lacrosse. (Covid made that easier). And then for big national tournaments like NAL and NLF, they will load up with even more Johnny Texas players. If they lose a key player and the next man up is not good enough, they will offer the spot to an out of state player whose family is willing/able to get there. The model starts in middle school and intensifies in HS. It works great for student players from around the country who want exposure on a bigger stage, and works great ($$$) for MadLax. But if you are the #15-25 man on the local roster, you will perpetually be displaced by out of staters. Even if you are top 15 on the roster, you will never know when Johnny Texas will show up and share time with you.
NextLevel and DC Express are somewhere in the middle - they used to be like VLC, but tip-toeing toward the MadLax model.
True is even more like MadLax than MadLax itself!
Buyer beware!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is he and does he? Ml guest players don’t pay as much.

I can't see the sense in playing an out of town kid over a local kid if he's not better. And there's a big difference between a guest player and an out of town kid who actually pays to be on the team and attends most of the practices. I'm not a fan of guest players, but usually the only people really upset about them are the parents whose kid gets displaced - and the other team. The kids just want to try to win.

But I do think guest players should probably be illegal, but if an out of town kid pays his way and makes the effort to be at practices, I just don't see how anyone can complain about that. Maybe he shouldn't "start", but if the kid is good, give him the minutes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Each program has a different model, and none of them are perfect, but families need to ask these questions BEFORE joining the team and decide what works best for your son.
If you want an old fashioned model with the same roster all season and no out of town players, go with VLC. They are not 100% pure in that respect, but they are close. That approach yields uneven results on the field; for example, the VLC 2026 team is on par with MadLax and DC Express, but the VLC 2025 team is behind those two, and their 2027 team folded altogether.
MadLax is at the other extreme, and they do not really try to hide it. They will draw players from around the country on both short term and long term basis. They have players fly in every week for HoCo and for tournaments, and some families move to DC for parts of the year for lacrosse. (Covid made that easier). And then for big national tournaments like NAL and NLF, they will load up with even more Johnny Texas players. If they lose a key player and the next man up is not good enough, they will offer the spot to an out of state player whose family is willing/able to get there. The model starts in middle school and intensifies in HS. It works great for student players from around the country who want exposure on a bigger stage, and works great ($$$) for MadLax. But if you are the #15-25 man on the local roster, you will perpetually be displaced by out of staters. Even if you are top 15 on the roster, you will never know when Johnny Texas will show up and share time with you.
NextLevel and DC Express are somewhere in the middle - they used to be like VLC, but tip-toeing toward the MadLax model.
True is even more like MadLax than MadLax itself!
Buyer beware!

I’m not quite sure why you talked about VLC so often in your post when they don’t have a 27 team.

I’ll put together a staff and rebuild a 2027 VLC team. Who makes the decisions there? Are they still managed by the crabs?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Each program has a different model, and none of them are perfect, but families need to ask these questions BEFORE joining the team and decide what works best for your son.
If you want an old fashioned model with the same roster all season and no out of town players, go with VLC. They are not 100% pure in that respect, but they are close. That approach yields uneven results on the field; for example, the VLC 2026 team is on par with MadLax and DC Express, but the VLC 2025 team is behind those two, and their 2027 team folded altogether.
MadLax is at the other extreme, and they do not really try to hide it. They will draw players from around the country on both short term and long term basis. They have players fly in every week for HoCo and for tournaments, and some families move to DC for parts of the year for lacrosse. (Covid made that easier). And then for big national tournaments like NAL and NLF, they will load up with even more Johnny Texas players. If they lose a key player and the next man up is not good enough, they will offer the spot to an out of state player whose family is willing/able to get there. The model starts in middle school and intensifies in HS. It works great for student players from around the country who want exposure on a bigger stage, and works great ($$$) for MadLax. But if you are the #15-25 man on the local roster, you will perpetually be displaced by out of staters. Even if you are top 15 on the roster, you will never know when Johnny Texas will show up and share time with you.
NextLevel and DC Express are somewhere in the middle - they used to be like VLC, but tip-toeing toward the MadLax model.
True is even more like MadLax than MadLax itself!
Buyer beware!

I’m not quite sure why you talked about VLC so often in your post when they don’t have a 27 team.

Because the local/national debate is not limited to any one class, and VLC is a good example of a program that relies on locals. But you're right that this is a 2027 thread, so let's go with Hawks, since they too rely on locals, but they do have a 2027 team, which consistently humiliates MadLax 2027, even with its out of stater's.

It is so obvious which former Madlax parent is writing so much of this. It's sad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is so obvious which former Madlax parent is writing so much of this. It's sad.

Let's hear it. Is it the "quitter" parent, or the IG parent, or the parents of the cheating 26 parents (2x), or one of the 10-15 parents whose kids left the program because of the BLC merger and then the ridiculous guest players from KY, TX and Richmond? Lot of targets out there.

ML exists because there are no other options inside or even near the beltway anymore. DCE is in Germantown and fading, BLC has become completely parent ruined after they almost folded during CV, VLC is slowly folding after the ridiculous merger with Crabs and Cavs, Team MD is in Olney and NL has consistently grown their teams and rosters since the Mitchell's bought the club.

From what I am reading, Madlax has one out-of-stater from KY and a couple kids from Richmond. KY is ridiculous, but Richmond seems reasonable if the kids are going to practice. They are just doing what they can to stay competitive, and I don't see what the big deal is.

Someone on here clearly has a grudge against Madlax, but the kids seemed like good sports and the parents and coaches were polite when we stomped them at Hoco last spring.

grudge = yes

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is so obvious which former Madlax parent is writing so much of this. It's sad.

Let's hear it. Is it the "quitter" parent, or the IG parent, or the parents of the cheating 26 parents (2x), or one of the 10-15 parents whose kids left the program because of the BLC merger and then the ridiculous guest players from KY, TX and Richmond? Lot of targets out there.

ML exists because there are no other options inside or even near the beltway anymore. DCE is in Germantown and fading, BLC has become completely parent ruined after they almost folded during CV, VLC is slowly folding after the ridiculous merger with Crabs and Cavs, Team MD is in Olney and NL has consistently grown their teams and rosters since the Mitchell's bought the club.

This will be the first year for DCE so how are they fading?

DCE isn't fading. Madlax Grudge Guy ... let's refer to him as "GG" .. has no idea what he's talking about. Bitter and angry. I believe it's the same person who was suggesting earlier that the team has only 8 kids "worthy of college interest." What an absurd statement. They're in 8th grade. GG has no idea what he is talking about.

DCE's 25's are very good but that's most likely due to the efforts of the founder making his son's team really competitive. The 2026's started off well and ramped up their level of competition but had some tough results as the level of the teams got better. The 2027's barely attracted players to their summer prep camps and summer tournament. I think they were really bailed out by VLC folding and some Team MD players looking to get away from parent coaching. What tournaments are the 2027's playing in this fall: NXT and NAL again? I woiuld imagine if VLC got its act together, a lot of those families would head back across the river.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DCE isn't fading. Madlax Grudge Guy ... let's refer to him as "GG" .. has no idea what he's talking about. Bitter and angry. I believe it's the same person who was suggesting earlier that the team has only 8 kids "worthy of college interest." What an absurd statement. They're in 8th grade. GG has no idea what he is talking about.

Take this convo to the ML page, please.

please ask GG to do that -- otherwise his ahem .. "insight and feedback" need to be fact checked so i'd be happy to do that on this thread :-)

It's so interesting that this daddy coach keeps bringing up VLC ...

This ML bloviating is exhausting.

Let's skip it and get to the real heart of 8th grade lacrosse - all the ridiculous claims about how "X coach at X school is really interested in bringing in my son as a 9th grade varsity starter, he's been calling us!"

Although to be fair, I will probably be begging to get back to ML vs NL vs BLC vs DCE vs VLC drama by December 15.

Poll question. - In the Fall, how many days a week is your son practicing with his club team? If you can tell me which club, great, if you prefer not to, which division in HOCO did they play in last spring.

Elite, 4 days a week and 2 shadow days

AAA, 1x

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite, 4 days a week and 2 shadow days

Are you being serious or just sarcastic? What's a shadow day?

If you have to ask..

Yes. Let’s rush back to talking about holdbacks.

Elite 1 time a week.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite, 4 days a week and 2 shadow days

Play another sport in the off season ffs.

Elite, 2 days a week with club. 1 day private session.

3 days a week Football.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you have to ask..

I'm not insecure about asking questions on something I haven't heard of before. I'm going to guess it involves the fresh/soph or JV team at the private they are going to attend. If that's it, we didn't have that when I went to my private in the 80's.

AAA, 2 days a week

Elite-
1-2 days a week fall lax.
3 days a week ECNL soccer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Poll question. - In the Fall, how many days a week is your son practicing with his club team? If you can tell me which club, great, if you prefer not to, which division in HOCO did they play in last spring.

OP here. At this point, 8th grade about to enter HS, I had hoped our club (AAA) would increase the level of training/practices. We have been told that this was going to happen for the past couple seasons, but it hasn’t. I’m just trying to get some info from others so I can get a better perspective. IMO, if you are playing club at this grade 2 a week seems like it should be the standard for any level from A to Elite. My son plays 2 sports, but lacrosse is his main focus.

Practices twice or more a week for out of season sports is a lot to ask of a young athlete who also plays other sports, especially if the in-season team is a club sport that practices multiple times per week. There is a marked increase in over-use injuries in young athletes from playing/practicing several days a week. Let them focus on the in-season sports and their academics, and give their bodies an opportunity to rest and recover from their in season sports.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Poll question. - In the Fall, how many days a week is your son practicing with his club team? If you can tell me which club, great, if you prefer not to, which division in HOCO did they play in last spring.

OP here. At this point, 8th grade about to enter HS, I had hoped our club (AAA) would increase the level of training/practices. We have been told that this was going to happen for the past couple seasons, but it hasn’t. I’m just trying to get some info from others so I can get a better perspective. IMO, if you are playing club at this grade 2 a week seems like it should be the standard for any level from A to Elite. My son plays 2 sports, but lacrosse is his main focus.

I get your point but. The vast majority of boys at AA lax or above are in soccer or football 5-6 days per week. Football for us right now is MW 60 minutes (school team), T/TH/F 3.5 hours (rec team + school team), Sat scrimmage or games (rec team). Sunday is club lax + lax small group training later in the day. Many boys have no days off of full-on team sports from Sept 1 to Nov 15. Zero days off. Would love to see more lax during the week....but "how" is a big question, especially as the soccer and football injuries start piling up over the next few weeks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Poll question. - In the Fall, how many days a week is your son practicing with his club team? If you can tell me which club, great, if you prefer not to, which division in HOCO did they play in last spring.

OP here. At this point, 8th grade about to enter HS, I had hoped our club (AAA) would increase the level of training/practices. We have been told that this was going to happen for the past couple seasons, but it hasn’t. I’m just trying to get some info from others so I can get a better perspective. IMO, if you are playing club at this grade 2 a week seems like it should be the standard for any level from A to Elite. My son plays 2 sports, but lacrosse is his main focus.

If your son is in AAA in 8th grade and isn’t playing more than 2 times a week in the fall, he’s got no future in the game. Just give up lacrosse and focus on his other sport.

Why ask the question when you are already biased? PP said it right just go play your other sport.

US Club lax finally addressing holdbacks! Thoughts?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Poll question. - In the Fall, how many days a week is your son practicing with his club team? If you can tell me which club, great, if you prefer not to, which division in HOCO did they play in last spring.

OP here. At this point, 8th grade about to enter HS, I had hoped our club (AAA) would increase the level of training/practices. We have been told that this was going to happen for the past couple seasons, but it hasn’t. I’m just trying to get some info from others so I can get a better perspective. IMO, if you are playing club at this grade 2 a week seems like it should be the standard for any level from A to Elite. My son plays 2 sports, but lacrosse is his main focus.

If your son is in AAA in 8th grade and isn’t playing more than 2 times a week in the fall, he’s got no future in the game. Just give up lacrosse and focus on his other sport.

Lol, your reading comprehension isn't that great, is it? I said his club team is only holding practices once a week in the fall, I didn't say he was only playing once a week. You can go back to trolling other message boards now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]
If your son is in AAA in 8th grade and isn’t playing more than 2 times a week in the fall, he’s got no future in the game. Just give up lacrosse and focus on his other sport.

Fixed.

If your son is in AAA and isn't a holdback, he’s got no future in the game. Just give up lacrosse and focus on soccer where its fair.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why ask the question when you are already biased? PP said it right just go play your other sport.

Hmmm, it's kind of odd that this triggered you. It's really not that hard to understand. I was looking for information about other clubs to then form a more knowledgeable opinion. You can go join your troll friend and talk about holdbacks or how only Elite teams matter now.

You people do know it’s fall ball right? Means absolutely nothing

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You people do know it’s fall ball right? Means absolutely nothing

None of it really means anything.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

US Club lax finally addressing holdbacks! Thoughts?

Link?

the link is on IG.

Looks like move is to school age calendar year Sept 1 like World Series Model!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like move is to school age calendar year Sept 1 like World Series Model!

When is this supposed to go into effect? And is there any meat behind it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like move is to school age calendar year Sept 1 like World Series Model!

When is this supposed to go into effect? And is there any meat behind it?

No, there is no meat behind it. It's US Club Lax not US Lacrosse. All that is is social media fodder for clicks. And they got em...

It shouldn’t impact the 27s as they are moving into high school next year.

Just for World Series.

My understanding is that the new age rules/enforcement will not go until effect until 2024. It will end at U-15 for recruiting. We'll have to start uploading birth certificates shortly and have a slight increase in our yearly payment to US lacrosse. Whatever, at least the issue is finally sorted out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My understanding is that the new age rules/enforcement will not go until effect until 2024. It will end at U-15 for recruiting. We'll have to start uploading birth certificates shortly and have a slight increase in our yearly payment to US lacrosse. Whatever, at least the issue is finally sorted out.

link?

Any details on the age/grade change? I haven't seen it posted on the US Club site or anywhere else.

Isn’t this age group starting high school next year? What difference will these changes make?

The first attempt at putting some rails on age limits and class cheating has been done by The Circuit. The Circuit is an attempt to throw an elite, national team tournament for those teams not in the NLF. It was organized as those teams became more successful and were regularly beating teams in the NLF teams and were being excluded from their tournaments.

The rosters for the circuit have age limits beginning June 1, but rosters are allowed 3 exceptions to the June 1 date. Birth certificates and things like report cards are being used to verify both age and class verification. The really good older kids are scrambling around the national teams to make sure they are one of the 3 exceptions.

This person is trolling all the threads blatantly lying about a decision - that hasn’t been made. And speaking on it as it it is a fact.

I know this board is a cesspool but the deliberate lying is ridiculous.

They are just trying to make money off their pitiful age verification that they want to charge you for.

IF THIS happens, I’d expect to pay US Lacrosse - as everyone already does for a membership. Not some random looking to get rich.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The first attempt at putting some rails on age limits and class cheating has been done by The Circuit. The Circuit is an attempt to throw an elite, national team tournament for those teams not in the NLF. It was organized as those teams became more successful and were regularly beating teams in the NLF teams and were being excluded from their tournaments.

The rosters for the circuit have age limits beginning June 1, but rosters are allowed 3 exceptions to the June 1 date. Birth certificates and things like report cards are being used to verify both age and class verification. The really good older kids are scrambling around the national teams to make sure they are one of the 3 exceptions.

Literally none of this is true.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The first attempt at putting some rails on age limits and class cheating has been done by The Circuit. The Circuit is an attempt to throw an elite, national team tournament for those teams not in the NLF. It was organized as those teams became more successful and were regularly beating teams in the NLF teams and were being excluded from their tournaments.

The rosters for the circuit have age limits beginning June 1, but rosters are allowed 3 exceptions to the June 1 date. Birth certificates and things like report cards are being used to verify both age and class verification. The really good older kids are scrambling around the national teams to make sure they are one of the 3 exceptions.

Source?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This person is trolling all the threads blatantly lying about a decision - that hasn’t been made. And speaking on it as it it is a fact.

I know this board is a cesspool but the deliberate lying is ridiculous.

They are just trying to make money off their pitiful age verification that they want to charge you for.

IF THIS happens, I’d expect to pay US Lacrosse - as everyone already does for a membership. Not some random looking to get rich.

Is the change true or not? I haven't come across any notifications of the change but after the US club lacrosse poll it would be hard to ignore 90% of families looking for a change.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The first attempt at putting some rails on age limits and class cheating has been done by The Circuit. The Circuit is an attempt to throw an elite, national team tournament for those teams not in the NLF. It was organized as those teams became more successful and were regularly beating teams in the NLF teams and were being excluded from their tournaments.

The rosters for the circuit have age limits beginning June 1, but rosters are allowed 3 exceptions to the June 1 date. Birth certificates and things like report cards are being used to verify both age and class verification. The really good older kids are scrambling around the national teams to make sure they are one of the 3 exceptions.

The Circuit is just another attempted cash grab for the head of Nationals LC. Based on how their 2027 team performed at Naptown this summer, I wouldn't say they are regularly beating anyone of merit. And to say they are attempting to put some rails on age limits and class cheating is a joke. Nationals will play a 2026 kid in 2027 if he's just thinking about reclassing.

The Circuit looks like a way for some of these "national" teams to fool kids into thinking they're playing against the best. I'll concede BBL's 2027 team is actually pretty good, and Nationals used to be before they imploded due to the owner's shenanigans, but the rest of the Circuit competition isn't even in top 30 range. Red Hots can put together some good guest player teams, but rarely against good competition.

change will not effect this class if it happens looks like it might make a difference for 2030 and 2029

I just got off a call and I do not believe any class will be affected until the 2030's. While unfair now the younger age groups will no longer need to deal with the BS of holdbacks. I'm glad parents finally spoke up against having older kids play down for once.

Based off what info

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The first attempt at putting some rails on age limits and class cheating has been done by The Circuit. The Circuit is an attempt to throw an elite, national team tournament for those teams not in the NLF. It was organized as those teams became more successful and were regularly beating teams in the NLF teams and were being excluded from their tournaments.

The rosters for the circuit have age limits beginning June 1, but rosters are allowed 3 exceptions to the June 1 date. Birth certificates and things like report cards are being used to verify both age and class verification. The really good older kids are scrambling around the national teams to make sure they are one of the 3 exceptions.

3 exceptions?? That’s notIntelligent. That’s all it takes to change the outcome

The Circuit actually thinks the 3 exception rule is light years better than what it has been. The original discussion started with class and then worked its way back to a combination of age and class. A couple of clubs argued hard for class only but the June 1 date and 3 exceptions was accepted as a compromise. Current participating teams will largely look the same and teams like Red Hots and Nationals will scramble to attract their 3 exceptions since a good chunk of their roster participate for multiple teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Circuit actually thinks the 3 exception rule is light years better than what it has been. The original discussion started with class and then worked its way back to a combination of age and class. A couple of clubs argued hard for class only but the June 1 date and 3 exceptions was accepted as a compromise. Current participating teams will largely look the same and teams like Red Hots and Nationals will scramble to attract their 3 exceptions since a good chunk of their roster participate for multiple teams.

I dare anyone to show me where this exception rule is or even any kind of age cutoff. I’ve seen nothing to substantiate any of this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Circuit actually thinks the 3 exception rule is light years better than what it has been. The original discussion started with class and then worked its way back to a combination of age and class. A couple of clubs argued hard for class only but the June 1 date and 3 exceptions was accepted as a compromise. Current participating teams will largely look the same and teams like Red Hots and Nationals will scramble to attract their 3 exceptions since a good chunk of their roster participate for multiple teams.

I dare anyone to show me where this exception rule is or even any kind of age cutoff. I’ve seen nothing to substantiate any of this.

Just seems like a money grab. Quick way to make a windfall of cash. Why have exceptions?

It would be a complete disaster for US club lacrosse to ignore the safety concerns of holdbacks physically assaulting younger kids after the Tua situation in the NFL. Concussions are real. Playing your 15 yr old against a 13yr old is a safety concern. Regardless of how badly you want your son to get into a good school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Circuit actually thinks the 3 exception rule is light years better than what it has been. The original discussion started with class and then worked its way back to a combination of age and class. A couple of clubs argued hard for class only but the June 1 date and 3 exceptions was accepted as a compromise. Current participating teams will largely look the same and teams like Red Hots and Nationals will scramble to attract their 3 exceptions since a good chunk of their roster participate for multiple teams.

I dare anyone to show me where this exception rule is or even any kind of age cutoff. I’ve seen nothing to substantiate any of this.

I don't know what to tell you. We received an email from the team director stating the rules and there is a register process from Authenticate asking for proof of class and a birth certificate. I guess that's good news in that I might be the only Circuit parent reading this board.

sorry charlie but you complainin aint gonna change nothin

The Circuit teams other than BBL cant beat any top 10 ranked or NLF teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It would be a complete disaster for US club lacrosse to ignore the safety concerns of holdbacks physically assaulting younger kids after the Tua situation in the NFL. Concussions are real. Playing your 15 yr old against a 13yr old is a safety concern. Regardless of how badly you want your son to get into a good school.

You can always have your kid play tetherball since US Club Tetherball always looks out for the kids.

This age thing has nothing to do with usa lacrosse.

It’s about one tournament. The circuit. And they are forcing you to pay to show your kids age and grade.

Which is fine.

But saying it is a sweeping change is a lie.
It’s just to make some money on this circuit tournament boondoggle.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Circuit actually thinks the 3 exception rule is light years better than what it has been. The original discussion started with class and then worked its way back to a combination of age and class. A couple of clubs argued hard for class only but the June 1 date and 3 exceptions was accepted as a compromise. Current participating teams will largely look the same and teams like Red Hots and Nationals will scramble to attract their 3 exceptions since a good chunk of their roster participate for multiple teams.

I dare anyone to show me where this exception rule is or even any kind of age cutoff. I’ve seen nothing to substantiate any of this.

I don't know what to tell you. We received an email from the team director stating the rules and there is a register process from Authenticate asking for proof of class and a birth certificate. I guess that's good news in that I might be the only Circuit parent reading this board.

You aren't. The register process is legit. Its run by Nike...they aren't going to have a hand in the cheating.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Circuit teams other than BBL cant beat any top 10 ranked or NLF teams.

This is true. The line up is a joke. Just national teams taking people money and making them travel around the country. Also those teams are nothing without the holdbacks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Circuit teams other than BBL cant beat any top 10 ranked or NLF teams.

This is true. The line up is a joke. Just national teams taking people money and making them travel around the country. Also those teams are nothing without the holdbacks

Why are we continuing to talk about this topic, on this forum?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Circuit teams other than BBL cant beat any top 10 ranked or NLF teams.

This is true. The line up is a joke. Just national teams taking people money and making them travel around the country. Also those teams are nothing without the holdbacks

You're assuming none of the kids from the top 10 or NLF teams are ALSO playing for these national teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Circuit teams other than BBL cant beat any top 10 ranked or NLF teams.

This is true. The line up is a joke. Just national teams taking people money and making them travel around the country. Also those teams are nothing without the holdbacks

Why are we continuing to talk about this topic, on this forum?

Because he is trying to make parents buy in to the need for his age verification subscription service. Trying to drum up hysteria through worthless repetition of a known issue.

It’s agitating.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Circuit teams other than BBL cant beat any top 10 ranked or NLF teams.

This is true. The line up is a joke. Just national teams taking people money and making them travel around the country. Also those teams are nothing without the holdbacks

You're assuming none of the kids from the top 10 or NLF teams are ALSO playing for these national teams.

What’s your point ? They have some kids from good teams? Doesn’t make them a good team. This is just a money grab from national clubs . Some of these clubs are getting at least 40,000$ per team and then making you pay for gear and entry fee for each tournament. It’s a joke.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Circuit teams other than BBL cant beat any top 10 ranked or NLF teams.

This is true. The line up is a joke. Just national teams taking people money and making them travel around the country. Also those teams are nothing without the holdbacks

You're assuming none of the kids from the top 10 or NLF teams are ALSO playing for these national teams.

True. Every kid on a national team plays for a regional team. In NJ, the Red Hots had 18 players with 13 different helmets. Some of their Saturday players play for 5 different teams. Same went for 3d NE. Their top 3 players also play for True National, and their local team and who knows who else. I am willing to bet these kids pick a team for the PA Circuit thing and then show up on a different roster for the next Circuit event and then pick a final 4 team for the final event.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Circuit teams other than BBL cant beat any top 10 ranked or NLF teams.

This is true. The line up is a joke. Just national teams taking people money and making them travel around the country. Also those teams are nothing without the holdbacks

Sorry no one asked your kid to play. But there always JV in his future for the next three years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]The Circuit teams other than BBL cant beat any top 10 ranked or NLF teams.

Of course they can't. They have to play on age.

And what is the fascination with following NCAA rules instead of youth rules for MS lacrosse? The refs stinkat this level already and watching them allow swinging 1 handed wrap checks while riding is disturbing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]The Circuit teams other than BBL cant beat any top 10 ranked or NLF teams.

This is true. The line up is a joke. Just national teams taking people money and making them travel around the country. Also those teams are nothing without the holdbacks

Sorry no one asked your kid to play. But there always JV in his future for the next three years.

Circuit is a decent concept but BBL is only real team, no one will get within 5 goals of them. Nationals are only good when playing around MD, their kids don’t travel. Red Hots roster is way too inconsistent.

What's wrong with watching a 16yr old one hand wrap check a 14yr old? Don't you want your son to get recruited?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Circuit teams other than BBL cant beat any top 10 ranked or NLF teams.

This is true. The line up is a joke. Just national teams taking people money and making them travel around the country. Also those teams are nothing without the holdbacks

Sorry no one asked your kid to play. But there always JV in his future for the next three years.

Ha G will take anyones money you can bet on that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

whatever, but I have not seen very many Hoco AA teams who beat Madlax or come within one of Hawks; that's all I'm saying.

Let's hope Madlax has a better fall than they did last year. A couple AA teams gave them games.

The Circuit update. BBL backed out because they couldn't field a competitive team under the rules: June 1 2008 cutoff with 3 older exceptions. Red Hots were the best as they fielded a much different squad than the one in NJ a few weeks ago. They had a good mix of Baltimore and Hawks stars. The fee to play with them was minimal. Nation's Best had the largest number of teams under their 3Step umbrella but got rolled by Red Hots. Team 18 and Project MW were a distant 3rd and 4th but had some really good players. Nationals has really faded as their best players left because of the cost and the dense decisions of the management with regard to rosters. The rest of the field really drops fast. 3d Nationals barely field a team of 15 and didn't resemble the NJ team at all. Where were those giants playing middie and pole?

Several of the teams were asking for free agents the days before the tournament. The age and class verification dropped a bunch of players. One conversation overheard was how players tried to register by saying they were reclassing this year and how other tournaments allowed this practice. No go here.

The other truly noticeable item was the size of the players. Without the future re-classes; the current 9th graders playing down due to verification of class; and the 3 player exception on June1; the players on the field were much physically smaller than any summer tournament I've been to in years. The play on the field got better after games 1 and 2 as teams got to know each other a little more.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Circuit update. BBL backed out because they couldn't field a competitive team under the rules: June 1 2008 cutoff with 3 older exceptions. Red Hots were the best as they fielded a much different squad than the one in NJ a few weeks ago. They had a good mix of Baltimore and Hawks stars. The fee to play with them was minimal. Nation's Best had the largest number of teams under their 3Step umbrella but got rolled by Red Hots. Team 18 and Project MW were a distant 3rd and 4th but had some really good players. Nationals has really faded as their best players left because of the cost and the dense decisions of the management with regard to rosters. The rest of the field really drops fast. 3d Nationals barely field a team of 15 and didn't resemble the NJ team at all. Where were those giants playing middie and pole?

Several of the teams were asking for free agents the days before the tournament. The age and class verification dropped a bunch of players. One conversation overheard was how players tried to register by saying they were reclassing this year and how other tournaments allowed this practice. No go here.

The other truly noticeable item was the size of the players. Without the future re-classes; the current 9th graders playing down due to verification of class; and the 3 player exception on June1; the players on the field were much physically smaller than any summer tournament I've been to in years. The play on the field got better after games 1 and 2 as teams got to know each other a little more.

Thx Circuit pub relations guy…I promise you BBL backing out had nothing to do with age. It had everything to do with the quality of the teams entered in the tournament. They found a much more competitive tournament down in DE, it’s that simple. If Red Hots is beating everyone by 15 that tells you all you need to know. And that Nationals team wasn’t National at all, just local kids and none of the top PA kids play for them.

That BBL comment was pretty dense. They made it to the finals of the World Series last year under more stringent age/location rules. Doubt they are not in the Circuit because they couldn’t field a competitive on-age team. Get a clue.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Circuit update. BBL backed out because they couldn't field a competitive team under the rules: June 1 2008 cutoff with 3 older exceptions. Red Hots were the best as they fielded a much different squad than the one in NJ a few weeks ago. They had a good mix of Baltimore and Hawks stars. The fee to play with them was minimal. Nation's Best had the largest number of teams under their 3Step umbrella but got rolled by Red Hots. Team 18 and Project MW were a distant 3rd and 4th but had some really good players. Nationals has really faded as their best players left because of the cost and the dense decisions of the management with regard to rosters. The rest of the field really drops fast. 3d Nationals barely field a team of 15 and didn't resemble the NJ team at all. Where were those giants playing middie and pole?

Several of the teams were asking for free agents the days before the tournament. The age and class verification dropped a bunch of players. One conversation overheard was how players tried to register by saying they were reclassing this year and how other tournaments allowed this practice. No go here.

The other truly noticeable item was the size of the players. Without the future re-classes; the current 9th graders playing down due to verification of class; and the 3 player exception on June1; the players on the field were much physically smaller than any summer tournament I've been to in years. The play on the field got better after games 1 and 2 as teams got to know each other a little more.

Thx Circuit pub relations guy…I promise you BBL backing out had nothing to do with age. It had everything to do with the quality of the teams entered in the tournament. They found a much more competitive tournament down in DE, it’s that simple. If Red Hots is beating everyone by 15 that tells you all you need to know. And that Nationals team wasn’t National at all, just local kids and none of the top PA kids play for them.

It's debatable whether BBL found better competition in Delaware. They went 5-0 and beat three teams (Sweetlax Carolina, Sweetlax Florida, MadLax) by a combined score of 43-4. I would be willing to bet that all three of those teams have plenty of holdbacks, yet BBL's on age team was not challenged at all. So certainly those games were not good competition. Then BBL had a decent game against Sweetlax Upstate (11-7), and a one goal win over Team 10. Would BBL have rolled through the Circuit field that easily?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Circuit update. BBL backed out because they couldn't field a competitive team under the rules: June 1 2008 cutoff with 3 older exceptions. Red Hots were the best as they fielded a much different squad than the one in NJ a few weeks ago. They had a good mix of Baltimore and Hawks stars. The fee to play with them was minimal. Nation's Best had the largest number of teams under their 3Step umbrella but got rolled by Red Hots. Team 18 and Project MW were a distant 3rd and 4th but had some really good players. Nationals has really faded as their best players left because of the cost and the dense decisions of the management with regard to rosters. The rest of the field really drops fast. 3d Nationals barely field a team of 15 and didn't resemble the NJ team at all. Where were those giants playing middie and pole?

Several of the teams were asking for free agents the days before the tournament. The age and class verification dropped a bunch of players. One conversation overheard was how players tried to register by saying they were reclassing this year and how other tournaments allowed this practice. No go here.

The other truly noticeable item was the size of the players. Without the future re-classes; the current 9th graders playing down due to verification of class; and the 3 player exception on June1; the players on the field were much physically smaller than any summer tournament I've been to in years. The play on the field got better after games 1 and 2 as teams got to know each other a little more.

This circuit tournament is nothing more than a bunch of B level national teams. Look at those scores. Why would BBL play there in that when they can play in a tournament with Sweetlax, Madlax, Team Ten and LI Express? And stop with the age thing, they went o WS finals this summer

If the competition is better in a regular tournament than the Circuit, then the Circuit will be toast.

How many of the players on Circuit teams are pulled from regular teams like MadLax, NextLevel, Hawks? If they are just recycling the same players and the level of competition is worse, it seems a waste of time and money.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]The Circuit teams other than BBL cant beat any top 10 ranked or NLF teams.

This is true. The line up is a joke. Just national teams taking people money and making them travel around the country. Also those teams are nothing without the holdbacks

Sorry no one asked your kid to play. But there always JV in his future for the next three years.

Circuit is a decent concept but BBL is only real team, no one will get within 5 goals of them. Nationals are only good when playing around MD, their kids don’t travel. Red Hots roster is way too inconsistent.

This comment didn't age well.

Red Hots smacked BBL 15-6. And everyone else they played.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]The Circuit teams other than BBL cant beat any top 10 ranked or NLF teams.

This is true. The line up is a joke. Just national teams taking people money and making them travel around the country. Also those teams are nothing without the holdbacks

Sorry no one asked your kid to play. But there always JV in his future for the next three years.

Circuit is a decent concept but BBL is only real team, no one will get within 5 goals of them. Nationals are only good when playing around MD, their kids don’t travel. Red Hots roster is way too inconsistent.

This comment didn't age well.

Red Hots smacked BBL 15-6. And everyone else they played.

Really? I am confused, according to tourney app, BBL played in a Delaware event and went 5-0, with three blowout wins, and then two closer wins. A PP observed that it appears both events had some good teams and some bad. But I don't see a BBL team on tourney app for the Circuit event, so where/when was the Red Hots/BBL game played?

In any event, it sounds like you are a Red Hots parents, so can you share where the team gets its players and what its model is? It looks to me like all the Circuit teams are national or regional all star teams, and the differentiator between teams that are winning (Red Hots) and teams that are losing (Nations Best, Nationals) is their ability to sign up the best national players from other teams, and then get them to show up. At the next Circuit event, the winners and losers could be reversed, based on who comes and who stays home. Am I understanding it correctly?

We take anyone on the redhots. If you can play.
We don’t care who you play for, if you wanna try us, we’ll make it happen.

The BBL team's WS roster wasn't anywhere close to their regular traveling roster. None of the WS teams are close except for the LI teams and even they are different by about 4-5 players. BBL was in the Circuit and pulled out becasue of the rails put in place.

The Red Hots were a failed age group club who changed their model to the national team thing. They are as good as the players who show up for that day. In NJ, they easily beat and beat up a good Next Level team and then were easily beat the next day by NL because 4 players went to play for another team somewhere else. Then none of those players showed for the Circuit because they were too old. But RH pulled in a bunch of HoCo kids by barely charging anything.

The comment about the level of play was spot on. It was just okay amongst the best teams and poor at the bottom. It will have staying power because parents will spend the money. Especially parents of players from non-lacrosse areas, they are willing to do anything to get their kids quality play.

At the next Circuit event, the winners and losers could be reversed, based on who comes and who stays home. Am I understanding it correctly?[quote][/quote]

That's true to a large extent. There is a verification system in place to make sure a player didn't play this past weekend on one team and then shows up on a different roster at the next event. That took out some players too from participating.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We take anyone on the redhots. If you can play.
We don’t care who you play for, if you wanna try us, we’ll make it happen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Circuit update. BBL backed out because they couldn't field a competitive team under the rules: June 1 2008 cutoff with 3 older exceptions. Red Hots were the best as they fielded a much different squad than the one in NJ a few weeks ago. They had a good mix of Baltimore and Hawks stars. The fee to play with them was minimal. Nation's Best had the largest number of teams under their 3Step umbrella but got rolled by Red Hots. Team 18 and Project MW were a distant 3rd and 4th but had some really good players. Nationals has really faded as their best players left because of the cost and the dense decisions of the management with regard to rosters. The rest of the field really drops fast. 3d Nationals barely field a team of 15 and didn't resemble the NJ team at all. Where were those giants playing middie and pole?

Several of the teams were asking for free agents the days before the tournament. The age and class verification dropped a bunch of players. One conversation overheard was how players tried to register by saying they were reclassing this year and how other tournaments allowed this practice. No go here.

The other truly noticeable item was the size of the players. Without the future re-classes; the current 9th graders playing down due to verification of class; and the 3 player exception on June1; the players on the field were much physically smaller than any summer tournament I've been to in years. The play on the field got better after games 1 and 2 as teams got to know each other a little more.

Thx Circuit pub relations guy…I promise you BBL backing out had nothing to do with age. It had everything to do with the quality of the teams entered in the tournament. They found a much more competitive tournament down in DE, it’s that simple. If Red Hots is beating everyone by 15 that tells you all you need to know. And that Nationals team wasn’t National at all, just local kids and none of the top PA kids play for them.

It's debatable whether BBL found better competition in Delaware. They went 5-0 and beat three teams (Sweetlax Carolina, Sweetlax Florida, MadLax) by a combined score of 43-4. I would be willing to bet that all three of those teams have plenty of holdbacks, yet BBL's on age team was not challenged at all. So certainly those games were not good competition. Then BBL had a decent game against Sweetlax Upstate (11-7), and a one goal win over Team 10. Would BBL have rolled through the Circuit field that easily?

BBL beat Madlax 9-2 in a game that I heard was a little closer than the final score - but obviously still a decisive win. To bring this back to the mid-Atlantic, I was surprised Madlax didn't perform better. They beat BBL in July, seemed to be getting better as the summer went on, and they didn't lose any players of consequence between summer and fall. From their scores in DE, it looks like their offense is struggling.

BBL 2027 couldn’t field a national level team that they were going to be happy with for The Circuit 2 tournament to be played In December in Naples, FL. They didn’t want to risk their this seasons national rankings one would think. Every other BBL team competed in The Circuit did well but not the best it looks like on tourney machine standings. The BBL World Series team was really good but not as good as last years winning BBL Naptown team. Ineligible BBL World Series players up and down Naptown finals roster vs Team PA.

Red Hots 2028’s beat the pants off BBL nationals 15-6 was 15-2 in the 4th but they felt bad for them

BBL beat Madlax 9-2 in a game that I heard was a little closer than the final score - but obviously still a decisive win. To bring this back to the mid-Atlantic, I was surprised Madlax didn't perform better. They beat BBL in July, seemed to be getting better as the summer went on, and they didn't lose any players of consequence between summer and fall. From their scores in DE, it looks like their offense is struggling.[/quote]

"that I heard" - so you are relying on a parent to tell you how close it was? 7 goals is not close at this level. It is a thorough win.

Madlax's problem remains the dad coach and it's too late to fix. Too many good players have left and adding the mercenary from Richmond and adding him to attack doesn't help. That family demanded he play attack, rarely shows for practice and ruins cohesion. 21 goals in 4 games isn't fun for anyone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]The Circuit teams other than BBL cant beat any top 10 ranked or NLF teams.

This is true. The line up is a joke. Just national teams taking people money and making them travel around the country. Also those teams are nothing without the holdbacks

Sorry no one asked your kid to play. But there always JV in his future for the next three years.

Circuit is a decent concept but BBL is only real team, no one will get within 5 goals of them. Nationals are only good when playing around MD, their kids don’t travel. Red Hots roster is way too inconsistent.

This comment didn't age well.

Red Hots smacked BBL 15-6. And everyone else they played.

That was the 2028s.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Red Hots 2028’s beat the pants off BBL nationals 15-6 was 15-2 in the 4th but they felt bad for them

Saw that Red Hots team dismantle BBL 2028. They are LEGIT. Where are the kids from? I saw a few FCA helmets, but didn't recognize most of the helmets. I believe their one attackman was from Utah and the kid was filthy.

Re the BBL vs. ML game. Some of your facts are incorrect.

1.) The Richmond "mercenary" doesn't play attack and he's been on the team for years (also not from Richmond). He travels to practice regularly in spring and summer, but misses a lot in the fall because of football....like a sizeable portion of the team, unfortunately.

2.) ML was up at halftime over BBL by several goals. You got the complete coach meltdown and joy stick coaching correct. It cost us the game in OT. In fact, it never would have gone to OT if he just let them play. ML had the upper hand most of the game. Regardless, BBL is good team and deserved to win. They have improved a lot.

3.) Two kids left and went to BLC that played attack and attack/middie. They did indeed leave because the coach just decided out of the blue that his son was going to be starting attack. The attack/middie is better than said son and his parents simply had enough of it. However, it is a sore subject with the other attackmen who get less PT in the rotation because of the move and is/will be an ongoing issue.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL beat Madlax 9-2 in a game that I heard was a little closer than the final score - but obviously still a decisive win. To bring this back to the mid-Atlantic, I was surprised Madlax didn't perform better. They beat BBL in July, seemed to be getting better as the summer went on, and they didn't lose any players of consequence between summer and fall. From their scores in DE, it looks like their offense is struggling.

"that I heard" - so you are relying on a parent to tell you how close it was? 7 goals is not close at this level. It is a thorough win.

Madlax's problem remains the dad coach and it's too late to fix. Too many good players have left and adding the mercenary from Richmond and adding him to attack doesn't help. That family demanded he play attack, rarely shows for practice and ruins cohesion. 21 goals in 4 games isn't fun for anyone.[/quote]

Dude - the original poster did say it was "obviously still a decisive win". Sounds like you have a personal issue with the dad coach. Maybe you should take that somewhere else and avoid singling out 8th graders with incorrect information.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Red Hots 2028’s beat the pants off BBL nationals 15-6 was 15-2 in the 4th but they felt bad for them

Saw that Red Hots team dismantle BBL 2028. They are LEGIT. Where are the kids from? I saw a few FCA helmets, but didn't recognize most of the helmets. I believe their one attackman was from Utah and the kid was filthy.

I’m sure RH28’s are legendary, take it to the 28 board

Dude, the statement is the equivalent of “no offense, but…(insert offensive statement” in trying to have it both ways. And yes, I think the coach ruined the team and is now resorting to bringing in players and families which add little to no benefit. 2-2-1 with 21 GF. Incorrect?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dude, the statement is the equivalent of “no offense, but…(insert offensive statement” in trying to have it both ways. And yes, I think the coach ruined the team and is now resorting to bringing in players and families which add little to no benefit. 2-2-1 with 21 GF. Incorrect?

So now the families bring no benefit either? Wow. Have you actually met them?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax's problem remains the dad coach and it's too late to fix. Too many good players have left and adding the mercenary from Richmond and adding him to attack doesn't help. That family demanded he play attack, rarely shows for practice and ruins cohesion. 21 goals in 4 games isn't fun for anyone.

Next Level mom inserting her 2 cents. Thank you!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Re the BBL vs. ML game. Some of your facts are incorrect.

1.) The Richmond "mercenary" doesn't play attack and he's been on the team for years (also not from Richmond). He travels to practice regularly in spring and summer, but misses a lot in the fall because of football....like a sizeable portion of the team, unfortunately.

2.) ML was up at halftime over BBL by several goals. You got the complete coach meltdown and joy stick coaching correct. It cost us the game in OT. In fact, it never would have gone to OT if he just let them play. ML had the upper hand most of the game. Regardless, BBL is good team and deserved to win. They have improved a lot.

3.) Two kids left and went to BLC that played attack and attack/middie. They did indeed leave because the coach just decided out of the blue that his son was going to be starting attack. The attack/middie is better than said son and his parents simply had enough of it. However, it is a sore subject with the other attackmen who get less PT in the rotation because of the move and is/will be an ongoing issue.

okay, you have thoroughly confused me. Point 2 talks about an overtime game between BBL and MadLax, but tourney app says that was a 10-2 BBL win. This is a 2027 thread, right?

I really don't care about the MadLax drama, I just want to know whether BBL would have had better competition at the Circuit in PA or at a regular tournament in Delaware. It looks to me like they would have had only one worthwhile game at either event. I thought that is what this discussion was about??

Whatever on ML. How about DC Express? I'd like to consider them in the future and it looks like 27's were competitive this past weekend. How was the play?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Re the BBL vs. ML game. Some of your facts are incorrect.

1.) The Richmond "mercenary" doesn't play attack and he's been on the team for years (also not from Richmond). He travels to practice regularly in spring and summer, but misses a lot in the fall because of football....like a sizeable portion of the team, unfortunately.

2.) ML was up at halftime over BBL by several goals. You got the complete coach meltdown and joy stick coaching correct. It cost us the game in OT. In fact, it never would have gone to OT if he just let them play. ML had the upper hand most of the game. Regardless, BBL is good team and deserved to win. They have improved a lot.

3.) Two kids left and went to BLC that played attack and attack/middie. They did indeed leave because the coach just decided out of the blue that his son was going to be starting attack. The attack/middie is better than said son and his parents simply had enough of it. However, it is a sore subject with the other attackmen who get less PT in the rotation because of the move and is/will be an ongoing issue.

okay, you have thoroughly confused me. Point 2 talks about an overtime game between BBL and MadLax, but tourney app says that was a 10-2 BBL win. This is a 2027 thread, right?

I really don't care about the MadLax drama, I just want to know whether BBL would have had better competition at the Circuit in PA or at a regular tournament in Delaware. It looks to me like they would have had only one worthwhile game at either event. I thought that is what this discussion was about??

Correct . 2027 BBL Nationals beat Madlax 10-2 last weekend in DE

I think BBL had better competition in DE. All the SweetLax teams were weaker, but Team 10, LI Express and Madlax are all solid teams. BBL didn't end up playing LI Express due to how the draw worked out, but despite the Madlax score, I think those 4 teams are relatively closely matched.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Re the BBL vs. ML game. Some of your facts are incorrect.

1.) The Richmond "mercenary" doesn't play attack and he's been on the team for years (also not from Richmond). He travels to practice regularly in spring and summer, but misses a lot in the fall because of football....like a sizeable portion of the team, unfortunately.

2.) ML was up at halftime over BBL by several goals. You got the complete coach meltdown and joy stick coaching correct. It cost us the game in OT. In fact, it never would have gone to OT if he just let them play. ML had the upper hand most of the game. Regardless, BBL is good team and deserved to win. They have improved a lot.

3.) Two kids left and went to BLC that played attack and attack/middie. They did indeed leave because the coach just decided out of the blue that his son was going to be starting attack. The attack/middie is better than said son and his parents simply had enough of it. However, it is a sore subject with the other attackmen who get less PT in the rotation because of the move and is/will be an ongoing issue.

okay, you have thoroughly confused me. Point 2 talks about an overtime game between BBL and MadLax, but tourney app says that was a 10-2 BBL win. This is a 2027 thread, right?

I really don't care about the MadLax drama, I just want to know whether BBL would have had better competition at the Circuit in PA or at a regular tournament in Delaware. It looks to me like they would have had only one worthwhile game at either event. I thought that is what this discussion was about??

Correct . 2027 BBL Nationals beat Madlax 10-2 last weekend in DE

I think BBL had better competition in DE. All the SweetLax teams were weaker, but Team 10, LI Express and Madlax are all solid teams. BBL didn't end up playing LI Express due to how the draw worked out, but despite the Madlax score, I think those 4 teams are relatively closely matched.

just curious, how did two relatively closely matched teams played a 10-2 game?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whatever on ML. How about DC Express? I'd like to consider them in the future and it looks like 27's were competitive this past weekend. How was the play?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whatever on ML. How about DC Express? I'd like to consider them in the future and it looks like 27's were competitive this past weekend. How was the play?

DCE 2027 has a great coach and most of the best players from last year’s BLC and VLC teams. It will be interesting to see how many players migrate from NextLevel (bloated roster) and MadLax (daddy ball) over the next year. DCE has potential to be dominant by ninth grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DCE 2027 has a great coach and most of the best players from last year’s BLC and VLC teams. It will be interesting to see how many players migrate from NextLevel (bloated roster) and MadLax (daddy ball) over the next year. DCE has potential to be dominant by ninth grade.

Hmmm. I'm not sure you could produce a dominant elite division team if you could pick anyone you wanted from the other divisions. Virtually all the kids at that level have already migrated to another elite team. I think DCE will be competitive in the bottom (3-8) of elite though - if that is where they end up being placed.

DCE will get the Montgomery county madlax kids and maybe 2-3 of NL 2nd line kids. They might win 2 games in hoco elite. If those things don’t happen, DCE will shut It down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DCE 2027 has a great coach and most of the best players from last year’s BLC and VLC teams. It will be interesting to see how many players migrate from NextLevel (bloated roster) and MadLax (daddy ball) over the next year. DCE has potential to be dominant by ninth grade.

Hmmm. I'm not sure you could produce a dominant elite division team if you could pick anyone you wanted from the other divisions. Virtually all the kids at that level have already migrated to another elite team. I think DCE will be competitive in the bottom (3-8) of elite though - if that is where they end up being placed.

Agree. If you took an all star team of last year's VLC, BLC, and Team Maryland, which is basically what DCE is now, they would fall somewhere 3-8 in HoCo elite. They have picked up a couple of stray players from ML and NL, and will continue to do so, but from the bottom half of those teams rosters. If they can pluck a few players from the top half of those teams, then they've got something.
The demise of VLC will definitely help. When MadLax and NextLevel families get fed up, DCE will be their most likely option.
By the way, it will be interesting to see if HoCo puts them in the elite division this spring.
Have they played any fall tournaments yet, and if so, how did they do?

Looks like DCE held up against true and fca. Too bad Everyone knows crabs are going to win hoco this year. Holdbacks and kids from Texas Florida Carolina Arizona and whatever other kids that will board at BL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like DCE held up against true and fca. Too bad Everyone knows crabs are going to win hoco this year. Holdbacks and kids from Texas Florida Carolina Arizona and whatever other kids that will board at BL.

I will believe that when I see it. I know that Crabs have done that in other classes, but I do not see them surpassing Hawks and NextLevel in one year. Those teams are loaded with talent and have played together for years. Perhaps Crabs will wipe the table with everyone else but I seriously doubt they will win the division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like DCE held up against true and fca. Too bad Everyone knows crabs are going to win hoco this year. Holdbacks and kids from Texas Florida Carolina Arizona and whatever other kids that will board at BL.

True Chesapeake and an FCA team that had their top players reclass.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like DCE held up against true and fca. Too bad Everyone knows crabs are going to win hoco this year. Holdbacks and kids from Texas Florida Carolina Arizona and whatever other kids that will board at BL.

True Chesapeake and an FCA team that had their top players reclass.

If DCE wants to be in HoCo elite, they will need some quality wins in the fall, or at least some respectable losses. Do they play NextLevel or Hawks? If they could come within 4-6 goals of either of those teams, then they belong in elite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like DCE held up against true and fca. Too bad Everyone knows crabs are going to win hoco this year. Holdbacks and kids from Texas Florida Carolina Arizona and whatever other kids that will board at BL.

True Chesapeake and an FCA team that had their top players reclass.

So their best players reclassed and left FCA? Where did they go? Does this mean no one reclasses and goes to FCA?

And DCE isn't coming anywhere close to Hawks or NL if those teams play their top 20. They'll be lucky to win 2 games with the current roster in HoCo.

I think you all are looking at the wrong teams to improve this year.

But I’ll let you be surprised in the spring when fca wins it all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you all are looking at the wrong teams to improve this year.

But I’ll let you be surprised in the spring when fca wins it all.

Now this is funny! You must be an FCA parent. We can all see the stats of their first fall tournament. 1-1-1. That team has been trying to rebuild for years. Good luck

It’s simple
1-hawks
2-NL
3-ML
4-91
5-crabs
6-fca
7- team md
8- true

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you all are looking at the wrong teams to improve this year.

But I’ll let you be surprised in the spring when fca wins it all.

Now this is funny! You must be an FCA parent. We can all see the stats of their first fall tournament. 1-1-1. That team has been trying to rebuild for years. Good luck

Thanks for the chuckle, but FCA isn't going to be a factor in spring HoCo. They may pick up some new players, and I am sure that their current players are growing like fool and getting better, but everybody else is doing the same. Hawks are the overwhelming favorite to win for the umpteenth year in a row. NextLevel has the talent and the depth to match the Hawks, but the Hawks own them mentally, and will beat them (again) when it counts. The wildcard is Crabs, as a PP said, because they will load up on holdbacks and BL boarders, so you may see a brand new team of massive sized players in Crabs uniforms. But Hawks and NextLevel should beat the rest of the division, including FCA, without breaking much of a sweat. For the record I am NOT a Hawks parent and that is my objective assessment - trust me, it will age nicely.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s simple
1-hawks
2-NL
3-ML
4-91
5-crabs
6-fca
7- team md
8- true

Looks about right. But this means that DCE is not getting into elite. Any way that they get in?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you all are looking at the wrong teams to improve this year.

But I’ll let you be surprised in the spring when fca wins it all.

Now this is funny! You must be an FCA parent. We can all see the stats of their first fall tournament. 1-1-1. That team has been trying to rebuild for years. Good luck

Thanks for the chuckle, but FCA isn't going to be a factor in spring HoCo. They may pick up some new players, and I am sure that their current players are growing like fool and getting better, but everybody else is doing the same. Hawks are the overwhelming favorite to win for the umpteenth year in a row. NextLevel has the talent and the depth to match the Hawks, but the Hawks own them mentally, and will beat them (again) when it counts. The wildcard is Crabs, as a PP said, because they will load up on holdbacks and BL boarders, so you may see a brand new team of massive sized players in Crabs uniforms. But Hawks and NextLevel should beat the rest of the division, including FCA, without breaking much of a sweat. For the record I am NOT a Hawks parent and that is my objective assessment - trust me, it will age nicely.

Hard to argue with any of that, but I think Hawks have been in their own echelon for a couple years, and Next level is closer to Crabs, 91 and ML than Hawks. NL played well in HOCO, but their summer schedule was pretty weak. That said... a lot of kids are starting to catch up size-wise to the two historically dominant attackmen on Hawks and NL, and it will be interesting to see if they can maintain that dominance against many defenders who are their size and bigger now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you all are looking at the wrong teams to improve this year.

But I’ll let you be surprised in the spring when fca wins it all.

Now this is funny! You must be an FCA parent. We can all see the stats of their first fall tournament. 1-1-1. That team has been trying to rebuild for years. Good luck

Thanks for the chuckle, but FCA isn't going to be a factor in spring HoCo. They may pick up some new players, and I am sure that their current players are growing like fool and getting better, but everybody else is doing the same. Hawks are the overwhelming favorite to win for the umpteenth year in a row. NextLevel has the talent and the depth to match the Hawks, but the Hawks own them mentally, and will beat them (again) when it counts. The wildcard is Crabs, as a PP said, because they will load up on holdbacks and BL boarders, so you may see a brand new team of massive sized players in Crabs uniforms. But Hawks and NextLevel should beat the rest of the division, including FCA, without breaking much of a sweat. For the record I am NOT a Hawks parent and that is my objective assessment - trust me, it will age nicely.

Rumor is crabs lost a large amount of players after last year failed marriage of existing crabs and fca kids. Don’t see them moving from middle of division

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you all are looking at the wrong teams to improve this year.

But I’ll let you be surprised in the spring when fca wins it all.

Now this is funny! You must be an FCA parent. We can all see the stats of their first fall tournament. 1-1-1. That team has been trying to rebuild for years. Good luck

Thanks for the chuckle, but FCA isn't going to be a factor in spring HoCo. They may pick up some new players, and I am sure that their current players are growing like fool and getting better, but everybody else is doing the same. Hawks are the overwhelming favorite to win for the umpteenth year in a row. NextLevel has the talent and the depth to match the Hawks, but the Hawks own them mentally, and will beat them (again) when it counts. The wildcard is Crabs, as a PP said, because they will load up on holdbacks and BL boarders, so you may see a brand new team of massive sized players in Crabs uniforms. But Hawks and NextLevel should beat the rest of the division, including FCA, without breaking much of a sweat. For the record I am NOT a Hawks parent and that is my objective assessment - trust me, it will age nicely.

Rumor is crabs lost a large amount of players after last year failed marriage of existing crabs and fca kids. Don’t see them moving from middle of division

'27 crabs will be middle of the pack. I think FCA and 91 challenge for that 4th spot.

If Next Level is going to rank 2nd in HoCo per the previous post then they have a lot of work to do. Aside from a few players they look pretty rough. Did they get a lot of new players?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If Next Level is going to rank 2nd in HoCo per the previous post then they have a lot of work to do. Aside from a few players they look pretty rough. Did they get a lot of new players?

NL picked up some really good players. I’m not sure if they are playing this fall because of conflicts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If Next Level is going to rank 2nd in HoCo per the previous post then they have a lot of work to do. Aside from a few players they look pretty rough. Did they get a lot of new players?

who do you think would challenge them?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If Next Level is going to rank 2nd in HoCo per the previous post then they have a lot of work to do. Aside from a few players they look pretty rough. Did they get a lot of new players?

who do you think would challenge them?

Crabs ! Everyone knows they will win hoco this year. New coaching staff,holdbacks and more out of state kids. How could they not

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If Next Level is going to rank 2nd in HoCo per the previous post then they have a lot of work to do. Aside from a few players they look pretty rough. Did they get a lot of new players?

who do you think would challenge them?

Let me ask this….the NXT tournament this past weekend had Next Level in it. They looked completely different than the Next Level team from the spring. Some really weak links. Is there more than one Next Level 2027?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL picked up some really good players. I’m not sure if they are playing this fall because of conflicts.

“I have a really hot, model girlfriend. No one has ever seen her because she goes to a different school.”

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dreaming? That's a fact 2, hold backs on that team and 2 who are playing up. They are clearly one of the best teams right now, I don't care if kids get held back or not. My point was that the 27 Hawks are not "full of holdbacks" which is the common theme above.

Again, what's the point? Reclass or not you can be good even playing against hold backs, seems like an excuse to me.

You obviously have not been thru the grind in last 5 years with respect to lacrosse played from 8-12th grade. Just wait until Puberty hits and many of your on age players are passed by holdbacks hitting puberty earlier and others that puberty has propelled along. Then it will be,,I got to do something, Johnny cant compete, These next few years are the big years to establish yourself, and being older works.

From 6 to 9th grade the lacrosse world changes. Reclass is on the way for many who really want to play on a top HS team. Sorry, No other way for many. 5-9 to 5-11 lacrosse player does not work on age for top HS or club teams. If your goal is Towson HS, you are ok, If your goal is MIAA, Dont even think on age will work. It wont for majority of players. The best teams starters are those same prefirst/holdbacks/reclassed everyone complains about and says will not make it. LOL

While this is pretty accurate related to starting players (still only about 50% of starters are holdbacks in MIAA, but yes that's a lot), this isn't at all accurate regarding contributing players (in MIAA, many of whom play in college), or regarding benchwarmers (in MIAA, a few of whom go on to play in college).

Different kids want different things. If your son and your family absolutely MUST get a lax scholarship to a TOP D1 college for whatever reason (legacy, "dreams" etc), then yes they should consider holding back.

But let's remember that a normal 14 year old has no idea what he wants to do in his life (a college selection driver...or it should be, even if it's Princeton vs Yale) and has not (really) discovered the distraction of parties and girls yet. Which makes the idea of holding back 6th-8th graders hilarious and risky. Many of those won't pay off in athletic terms. For those that do pay off in terms of athletic scholarships, remember that many of the holdbacks end up riding the pine at "Top D1 schools" once their year-older status can't give them a jump on the team's 24 year olds.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If Next Level is going to rank 2nd in HoCo per the previous post then they have a lot of work to do. Aside from a few players they look pretty rough. Did they get a lot of new players?

who do you think would challenge them?

Let me ask this….the NXT tournament this past weekend had Next Level in it. They looked completely different than the Next Level team from the spring. Some really weak links. Is there more than one Next Level 2027?

Fall doesn't matter, this is very typical.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If Next Level is going to rank 2nd in HoCo per the previous post then they have a lot of work to do. Aside from a few players they look pretty rough. Did they get a lot of new players?

who do you think would challenge them?

Let me ask this….the NXT tournament this past weekend had Next Level in it. They looked completely different than the Next Level team from the spring. Some really weak links. Is there more than one Next Level 2027?

It’s okay Cabel/Billy/Bobby. Your madlax/DCE team is good too but still nowhere close to the team taking your players. Try being better persons and maybe you’ll keep your players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If Next Level is going to rank 2nd in HoCo per the previous post then they have a lot of work to do. Aside from a few players they look pretty rough. Did they get a lot of new players?

who do you think would challenge them?

Let me ask this….the NXT tournament this past weekend had Next Level in it. They looked completely different than the Next Level team from the spring. Some really weak links. Is there more than one Next Level 2027?

Fall doesn't matter, this is very typical.

+1
Fall does not tell you much.
Plus, this is a team with a 28 man roster, and half of the roster either is under-played, or never plays. But due to weak competition at NXT, they played everyone. Looking ahead to spring, it is hard to imagine NextLevel having a record anything other than 8-2 (i.e., losses to Hawks in regular season and playoffs, beat everyone else). MadLax used to be competitive with NL, but that changed following covid, and nobody else in the division has shown much. The only way that NL would have a record other than 8-2 would be if a team such as Crabs overhauled its roster completely. Will that happen? We shall see.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dreaming? That's a fact 2, hold backs on that team and 2 who are playing up. They are clearly one of the best teams right now, I don't care if kids get held back or not. My point was that the 27 Hawks are not "full of holdbacks" which is the common theme above.

Again, what's the point? Reclass or not you can be good even playing against hold backs, seems like an excuse to me.

You obviously have not been thru the grind in last 5 years with respect to lacrosse played from 8-12th grade. Just wait until Puberty hits and many of your on age players are passed by holdbacks hitting puberty earlier and others that puberty has propelled along. Then it will be,,I got to do something, Johnny cant compete, These next few years are the big years to establish yourself, and being older works.

From 6 to 9th grade the lacrosse world changes. Reclass is on the way for many who really want to play on a top HS team. Sorry, No other way for many. 5-9 to 5-11 lacrosse player does not work on age for top HS or club teams. If your goal is Towson HS, you are ok, If your goal is MIAA, Dont even think on age will work. It wont for majority of players. The best teams starters are those same prefirst/holdbacks/reclassed everyone complains about and says will not make it. LOL

While this is pretty accurate related to starting players (still only about 50% of starters are holdbacks in MIAA, but yes that's a lot), this isn't at all accurate regarding contributing players (in MIAA, many of whom play in college), or regarding benchwarmers (in MIAA, a few of whom go on to play in college).

Different kids want different things. If your son and your family absolutely MUST get a lax scholarship to a TOP D1 college for whatever reason (legacy, "dreams" etc), then yes they should consider holding back.

But let's remember that a normal 14 year old has no idea what he wants to do in his life (a college selection driver...or it should be, even if it's Princeton vs Yale) and has not (really) discovered the distraction of parties and girls yet. Which makes the idea of holding back 6th-8th graders hilarious and risky. Many of those won't pay off in athletic terms. For those that do pay off in terms of athletic scholarships, remember that many of the holdbacks end up riding the pine at "Top D1 schools" once their year-older status can't give them a jump on the team's 24 year olds.

Is that really the number? 50% are holdbacks who start in the MIAA?

I have no idea how you or anyone else would know this with any accuracy but it seems like it checks out at first thought.

Does it take into account the schools? I doubt 50% of the starters at BL or CHC are on age but I could see 80% of the kids at MSJ being on age.

Let me ask this….the NXT tournament this past weekend had Next Level in it. They looked completely different than the Next Level team from the spring. Some really weak links. Is there more than one Next Level 2027?[/quote]
Fall doesn't matter, this is very typical.[/quote]

+1
Fall does not tell you much.
Plus, this is a team with a 28 man roster, and half of the roster either is under-played, or never plays. But due to weak competition at NXT, they played everyone. Looking ahead to spring, it is hard to imagine NextLevel having a record anything other than 8-2 (i.e., losses to Hawks in regular season and playoffs, beat everyone else). MadLax used to be competitive with NL, but that changed following covid, and nobody else in the division has shown much. The only way that NL would have a record other than 8-2 would be if a team such as Crabs overhauled its roster completely. Will that happen? We shall see.[/quote]

Someone at ML or DCE is axe grinding on NL. Just looked up the scores at tourney machine and NL gave up 1,1 and 4 in 3 games and played everyone. So, 33 gf and 6 ga. That's saying something given they have 29 rostered (although don't know if everyone was there). Madlax had 14 gf and 13 ga in 3 game pool play in Delaware. DCE Black goes 0-3 in their playday with 10 gf and 17 ga.

Not sure what the teenager is trying to prove here by going after NL but it's not working.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let me ask this….the NXT tournament this past weekend had Next Level in it. They looked completely different than the Next Level team from the spring. Some really weak links. Is there more than one Next Level 2027?

Fall doesn't matter, this is very typical.[/quote]

+1
Fall does not tell you much.
Plus, this is a team with a 28 man roster, and half of the roster either is under-played, or never plays. But due to weak competition at NXT, they played everyone. Looking ahead to spring, it is hard to imagine NextLevel having a record anything other than 8-2 (i.e., losses to Hawks in regular season and playoffs, beat everyone else). MadLax used to be competitive with NL, but that changed following covid, and nobody else in the division has shown much. The only way that NL would have a record other than 8-2 would be if a team such as Crabs overhauled its roster completely. Will that happen? We shall see.[/quote]

Someone at ML or DCE is axe grinding on NL. Just looked up the scores at tourney machine and NL gave up 1,1 and 4 in 3 games and played everyone. So, 33 gf and 6 ga. That's saying something given they have 29 rostered (although don't know if everyone was there). Madlax had 14 gf and 13 ga in 3 game pool play in Delaware. DCE Black goes 0-3 in their playday with 10 gf and 17 ga.

Not sure what the teenager is trying to prove here by going after NL but it's not working.[/quote]

Did you happen to look at the teams Next Level played? Looked like they were playing down.

You can't measure three teams by looking at each of their last tournaments and counting the wins and the GF/GA. NextLevel indeed played weak teams at NXT. But overall NextLevel is well ahead of MadLax and BLC. I don't think anybody is debating that.

Some of you have way too much time to spend on here talking about fall ball. Most teams are still figuring out the new kids they got. The holdbacks are figuring out their new roles since they couldn't make on age . Out of town kids probably don’t want to fly in for a 3 game play day with terrible teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dreaming? That's a fact 2, hold backs on that team and 2 who are playing up. They are clearly one of the best teams right now, I don't care if kids get held back or not. My point was that the 27 Hawks are not "full of holdbacks" which is the common theme above.

Again, what's the point? Reclass or not you can be good even playing against hold backs, seems like an excuse to me.

You obviously have not been thru the grind in last 5 years with respect to lacrosse played from 8-12th grade. Just wait until Puberty hits and many of your on age players are passed by holdbacks hitting puberty earlier and others that puberty has propelled along. Then it will be,,I got to do something, Johnny cant compete, These next few years are the big years to establish yourself, and being older works.

From 6 to 9th grade the lacrosse world changes. Reclass is on the way for many who really want to play on a top HS team. Sorry, No other way for many. 5-9 to 5-11 lacrosse player does not work on age for top HS or club teams. If your goal is Towson HS, you are ok, If your goal is MIAA, Dont even think on age will work. It wont for majority of players. The best teams starters are those same prefirst/holdbacks/reclassed everyone complains about and says will not make it. LOL

While this is pretty accurate related to starting players (still only about 50% of starters are holdbacks in MIAA, but yes that's a lot), this isn't at all accurate regarding contributing players (in MIAA, many of whom play in college), or regarding benchwarmers (in MIAA, a few of whom go on to play in college).

Different kids want different things. If your son and your family absolutely MUST get a lax scholarship to a TOP D1 college for whatever reason (legacy, "dreams" etc), then yes they should consider holding back.

But let's remember that a normal 14 year old has no idea what he wants to do in his life (a college selection driver...or it should be, even if it's Princeton vs Yale) and has not (really) discovered the distraction of parties and girls yet. Which makes the idea of holding back 6th-8th graders hilarious and risky. Many of those won't pay off in athletic terms. For those that do pay off in terms of athletic scholarships, remember that many of the holdbacks end up riding the pine at "Top D1 schools" once their year-older status can't give them a jump on the team's 24 year olds.

Is that really the number? 50% are holdbacks who start in the MIAA?

I have no idea how you or anyone else would know this with any accuracy but it seems like it checks out at first thought.

Does it take into account the schools? I doubt 50% of the starters at BL or CHC are on age but I could see 80% of the kids at MSJ being on age.

Lets get on with it. Hold your son back and join us if you havent. The grass is greener over here. Playing down is not what it used to be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dreaming? That's a fact 2, hold backs on that team and 2 who are playing up. They are clearly one of the best teams right now, I don't care if kids get held back or not. My point was that the 27 Hawks are not "full of holdbacks" which is the common theme above.

Again, what's the point? Reclass or not you can be good even playing against hold backs, seems like an excuse to me.

You obviously have not been thru the grind in last 5 years with respect to lacrosse played from 8-12th grade. Just wait until Puberty hits and many of your on age players are passed by holdbacks hitting puberty earlier and others that puberty has propelled along. Then it will be,,I got to do something, Johnny cant compete, These next few years are the big years to establish yourself, and being older works.

From 6 to 9th grade the lacrosse world changes. Reclass is on the way for many who really want to play on a top HS team. Sorry, No other way for many. 5-9 to 5-11 lacrosse player does not work on age for top HS or club teams. If your goal is Towson HS, you are ok, If your goal is MIAA, Dont even think on age will work. It wont for majority of players. The best teams starters are those same prefirst/holdbacks/reclassed everyone complains about and says will not make it. LOL

While this is pretty accurate related to starting players (still only about 50% of starters are holdbacks in MIAA, but yes that's a lot), this isn't at all accurate regarding contributing players (in MIAA, many of whom play in college), or regarding benchwarmers (in MIAA, a few of whom go on to play in college).

Different kids want different things. If your son and your family absolutely MUST get a lax scholarship to a TOP D1 college for whatever reason (legacy, "dreams" etc), then yes they should consider holding back.

But let's remember that a normal 14 year old has no idea what he wants to do in his life (a college selection driver...or it should be, even if it's Princeton vs Yale) and has not (really) discovered the distraction of parties and girls yet. Which makes the idea of holding back 6th-8th graders hilarious and risky. Many of those won't pay off in athletic terms. For those that do pay off in terms of athletic scholarships, remember that many of the holdbacks end up riding the pine at "Top D1 schools" once their year-older status can't give them a jump on the team's 24 year olds.

Is that really the number? 50% are holdbacks who start in the MIAA?

I have no idea how you or anyone else would know this with any accuracy but it seems like it checks out at first thought.

Does it take into account the schools? I doubt 50% of the starters at BL or CHC are on age but I could see 80% of the kids at MSJ being on age.

+1

They all have them. The main difference is that the top half of the league has significantly more than the bottom half.

Crabs and hawks play each other in 2 tournaments this fall. Will it be the annual whopping or will crabs finally keep it interesting?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs and hawks play each other in 2 tournaments this fall. Will it be the annual whopping or will crabs finally keep it interesting?

Crabs win somewhat easily- by at least 3

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like DCE held up against true and fca. Too bad Everyone knows crabs are going to win hoco this year. Holdbacks and kids from Texas Florida Carolina Arizona and whatever other kids that will board at BL.

True Chesapeake and an FCA team that had their top players reclass.

Which players from FCA reclassed? And they were their best players? Doesn’t bode well for those left behind. Did they go to FCA 2028?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like DCE held up against true and fca. Too bad Everyone knows crabs are going to win hoco this year. Holdbacks and kids from Texas Florida Carolina Arizona and whatever other kids that will board at BL.

True Chesapeake and an FCA team that had their top players reclass.

Which players from FCA reclassed? And they were their best players? Doesn’t bode well for those left behind. Did they go to FCA 2028?

Hearing a lot of 2027 FCA reclassed to 2028....the Calvert Hall Way.

Only one kid went directly from FCA 27 to 28.
28 did get several holdbacks.

FCA picked up some quality on-grade 27s. They will be ok.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone heard what is going on with BLC? They've been very quiet this summer.

They folded. No 27 team this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone heard what is going on with BLC? They've been very quiet this summer.

They folded. No 27 team this year.

They didn't fold. BLC only fields teams up to 7th grade, then they transition to DC Express.

St. Paul's! Not C.H.

Any good games scheduled for this weekend?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone heard what is going on with BLC? They've been very quiet this summer.

They folded. No 27 team this year.

Anyone this misinformed should just stay off this board and spectate

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone heard what is going on with BLC? They've been very quiet this summer.

They folded. No 27 team this year.

Anyone this misinformed should just stay off this board and spectate

agree, but maybe the person was thinking of VLC, which did fold its 2027 team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone heard what is going on with BLC? They've been very quiet this summer.

They folded. No 27 team this year.

Anyone this misinformed should just stay off this board and spectate

agree, but maybe the person was thinking of VLC, which did fold its 2027 team?

Fascinating to me that in 3 short years we went from the Cavs being a very respectable program,
to having no Cavs but VLC is created (2019),
to having VLC *and* VA Crabs and True VA (2020),
to having VA Crabs purchasing VLC (2020-2021) and True VA failing to take off,
to having all 3 newer programs in a terminal spiral in terms of program health (2021-2022).

All of this under the leadership of "Former D1 players" and "the best coaches," "elite program directors" etc. Well done, grownups.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone heard what is going on with BLC? They've been very quiet this summer.

They folded. No 27 team this year.

Anyone this misinformed should just stay off this board and spectate

agree, but maybe the person was thinking of VLC, which did fold its 2027 team?

Fascinating to me that in 3 short years we went from the Cavs being a very respectable program,
to having no Cavs but VLC is created (2019),
to having VLC *and* VA Crabs and True VA (2020),
to having VA Crabs purchasing VLC (2020-2021) and True VA failing to take off,
to having all 3 newer programs in a terminal spiral in terms of program health (2021-2022).

All of this under the leadership of "Former D1 players" and "the best coaches," "elite program directors" etc. Well done, grownups.

True VA is doing just fine, thank you. Had a nice outing this last weekend. strong fall. stronger spring ahead.

Any idea what happened to the Cavs? They definitely were always extremely solid in an area with lots of kids who wanted to play lacrosse.

How did it fall apart?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They folded. No 27 team this year.

Anyone this misinformed should just stay off this board and spectate

agree, but maybe the person was thinking of VLC, which did fold its 2027 team?

Fascinating to me that in 3 short years we went from the Cavs being a very respectable program,
to having no Cavs but VLC is created (2019),
to having VLC *and* VA Crabs and True VA (2020),
to having VA Crabs purchasing VLC (2020-2021) and True VA failing to take off,
to having all 3 newer programs in a terminal spiral in terms of program health (2021-2022).

All of this under the leadership of "Former D1 players" and "the best coaches," "elite program directors" etc. Well done, grownups.

True VA is doing just fine, thank you. Had a nice outing this last weekend. strong fall. stronger spring ahead.

Wait, True VA?

Yes True VA is doing great!

2-5 in AA ball last year.
3-1 this weekend with big wins over really tough Roughriders, Dukes and Black Bear teams.
Big things ahead. [SARCASM Font]

The Cavs were caught in multiple events playing older players and players in older classes playing down. It culminated when they played a high school goalie in a HoCo playoff game in a grade school playoff game. Upon further review, Cavs were deemed to have been doing this on a regular basis in many class groups. They were then blackballed by many tournaments directors.

VLC tried to step in and took many of their players and coaches but VLC has their own organizational problems. An example is not being able to field a 2027 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They folded. No 27 team this year.

Anyone this misinformed should just stay off this board and spectate

agree, but maybe the person was thinking of VLC, which did fold its 2027 team?

Fascinating to me that in 3 short years we went from the Cavs being a very respectable program,
to having no Cavs but VLC is created (2019),
to having VLC *and* VA Crabs and True VA (2020),
to having VA Crabs purchasing VLC (2020-2021) and True VA failing to take off,
to having all 3 newer programs in a terminal spiral in terms of program health (2021-2022).

All of this under the leadership of "Former D1 players" and "the best coaches," "elite program directors" etc. Well done, grownups.

True VA is doing just fine, thank you. Had a nice outing this last weekend. strong fall. stronger spring ahead.

Wait, True VA?

Yes True VA is doing great!

2-5 in AA ball last year.
3-1 this weekend with big wins over really tough Roughriders, Dukes and Black Bear teams.
Big things ahead. [SARCASM Font]

Not a True VA parent but come on, give these kids a break. The more solid programs we have locally, the better for everyone. This club is clearly trending for the better, not worse. Lot of elite level kids in NoVa, most playing for Madlax. Many of those kids will get tired of the ML rub, True VA could benefit greatly. As could Hammers out in Loudoun, who have an insanely nice, full time practice / training facility.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They folded. No 27 team this year.

Anyone this misinformed should just stay off this board and spectate

agree, but maybe the person was thinking of VLC, which did fold its 2027 team?

Fascinating to me that in 3 short years we went from the Cavs being a very respectable program,
to having no Cavs but VLC is created (2019),
to having VLC *and* VA Crabs and True VA (2020),
to having VA Crabs purchasing VLC (2020-2021) and True VA failing to take off,
to having all 3 newer programs in a terminal spiral in terms of program health (2021-2022).

All of this under the leadership of "Former D1 players" and "the best coaches," "elite program directors" etc. Well done, grownups.

True VA is doing just fine, thank you. Had a nice outing this last weekend. strong fall. stronger spring ahead.

Wait, True VA?

Yes True VA is doing great!

2-5 in AA ball last year.
3-1 this weekend with big wins over really tough Roughriders, Dukes and Black Bear teams.
Big things ahead. [SARCASM Font]

Not a True VA parent but come on, give these kids a break. The more solid programs we have locally, the better for everyone. This club is clearly trending for the better, not worse. Lot of elite level kids in NoVa, most playing for Madlax. Many of those kids will get tired of the ML rub, True VA could benefit greatly. As could Hammers out in Loudoun, who have an insanely nice, full time practice / training facility.

Overcharging for medicore clubs is not a good trend. True MD is becoming a ghost town as they can't deliver elite teams. You pay 3k and you can't even get the kids matching helmets? What a joke.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any good games scheduled for this weekend?

Annapolis hawks, Richmond hawks, Crabs and Team 10 all meeting at hogan.

Should be a good bracket.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any good games scheduled for this weekend?

Annapolis hawks, Richmond hawks, Crabs and Team 10 all meeting at hogan.

Should be a good bracket.

Team 10 has been looking pretty good this Fall, and it will be interesting to see how they stack up versus Annapolis Hawks, and where Crabs stand next to Hawks and Team 10.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Cavs were caught in multiple events playing older players and players in older classes playing down. It culminated when they played a high school goalie in a HoCo playoff game in a grade school playoff game. Upon further review, Cavs were deemed to have been doing this on a regular basis in many class groups. They were then blackballed by many tournaments directors.

VLC tried to step in and took many of their players and coaches but VLC has their own organizational problems. An example is not being able to field a 2027 team.

Is this true? They really ran out a high school player in HoCo?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They folded. No 27 team this year.

Anyone this misinformed should just stay off this board and spectate

agree, but maybe the person was thinking of VLC, which did fold its 2027 team?

Fascinating to me that in 3 short years we went from the Cavs being a very respectable program,
to having no Cavs but VLC is created (2019),
to having VLC *and* VA Crabs and True VA (2020),
to having VA Crabs purchasing VLC (2020-2021) and True VA failing to take off,
to having all 3 newer programs in a terminal spiral in terms of program health (2021-2022).

All of this under the leadership of "Former D1 players" and "the best coaches," "elite program directors" etc. Well done, grownups.

True VA is doing just fine, thank you. Had a nice outing this last weekend. strong fall. stronger spring ahead.

Wait, True VA?

Yes True VA is doing great!

2-5 in AA ball last year.
3-1 this weekend with big wins over really tough Roughriders, Dukes and Black Bear teams.
Big things ahead. [SARCASM Font]

Not a True VA parent but come on, give these kids a break. The more solid programs we have locally, the better for everyone. This club is clearly trending for the better, not worse. Lot of elite level kids in NoVa, most playing for Madlax. Many of those kids will get tired of the ML rub, True VA could benefit greatly. As could Hammers out in Loudoun, who have an insanely nice, full time practice / training facility.

You're right that kids will get tired of MadLax and depart the program (and in fact many have already), but they are more likely to go to NextLevel or DC Express than to True VA or Hammers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Cavs were caught in multiple events playing older players and players in older classes playing down. It culminated when they played a high school goalie in a HoCo playoff game in a grade school playoff game. Upon further review, Cavs were deemed to have been doing this on a regular basis in many class groups. They were then blackballed by many tournaments directors.

VLC tried to step in and took many of their players and coaches but VLC has their own organizational problems. An example is not being able to field a 2027 team.

Is this true? They really ran out a high school player in HoCo?

Yes, it is true and well documented that in the spring of 2021, VLC used a 9th grade, off-roster goalie in a sixth grade HoCo championship game in one of the lower divisions. They actually replayed the game, and ironically, the team that was victimized and awarded the rematch was MadLax, who has pulled more than its share of roster shenanigans in the past. I can't fathom how any adult (coach or parent) would allow that stuff to happen, but it did, and it makes you wonder how often it happened and was not caught.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any good games scheduled for this weekend?

Annapolis hawks, Richmond hawks, Crabs and Team 10 all meeting at hogan.

Should be a good bracket.

Team 10 has been looking pretty good this Fall, and it will be interesting to see how they stack up versus Annapolis Hawks, and where Crabs stand next to Hawks and Team 10.

Team 10 could finish at the top of that bracket. They are legit this year. Richmond Hawks probably the weakest of those 4

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Cavs were caught in multiple events playing older players and players in older classes playing down. It culminated when they played a high school goalie in a HoCo playoff game in a grade school playoff game. Upon further review, Cavs were deemed to have been doing this on a regular basis in many class groups. They were then blackballed by many tournaments directors.

VLC tried to step in and took many of their players and coaches but VLC has their own organizational problems. An example is not being able to field a 2027 team.

Is this true? They really ran out a high school player in HoCo?

Yes, it is true and well documented that in the spring of 2021, VLC used a 9th grade, off-roster goalie in a sixth grade HoCo championship game in one of the lower divisions. They actually replayed the game, and ironically, the team that was victimized and awarded the rematch was MadLax, who has pulled more than its share of roster shenanigans in the past. I can't fathom how any adult (coach or parent) would allow that stuff to happen, but it did, and it makes you wonder how often it happened and was not caught.

I can confirm for the 2028s that I've seen Cavs popped for illegal and off-age subs (Fall 2020 tournament). Ironically, while they destroyed the B-level competition, the older Cavs kids were great sportsmen on the field.

And speaking of 2028 roster shenanigans and True VA, True VA's brightest moment was probably in HoCo 2021, playing 2027 and 2028 kids illegally on the A-level True Baltimore team....5 True VA players dismissed from the HoCo semi-final for A-league after the HoCo Black coach requested a roster check. If you are openly cheating rosters at A-ball.....that's truly a "club on the way up." As others said, why as a parent would you want your family and your money to be involved with something like that?

True's inability to get True VA off the ground in a meaningful way isn't a result of "aww shucks" moments, it's the fact that it's run by True, a youth sports model that does not work in a saturated market, or a market where parents/customers and opposing coaches have "been around the block." I was going to say "sophisticated" but we are talking about Fairfax County so nevermind.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone heard what is going on with BLC? They've been very quiet this summer.

They folded. No 27 team this year.

Anyone this misinformed should just stay off this board and spectate

agree, but maybe the person was thinking of VLC, which did fold its 2027 team?

Fascinating to me that in 3 short years we went from the Cavs being a very respectable program,
to having no Cavs but VLC is created (2019),
to having VLC *and* VA Crabs and True VA (2020),
to having VA Crabs purchasing VLC (2020-2021) and True VA failing to take off,
to having all 3 newer programs in a terminal spiral in terms of program health (2021-2022).

All of this under the leadership of "Former D1 players" and "the best coaches," "elite program directors" etc. Well done, grownups.

True VA is doing just fine, thank you. Had a nice outing this last weekend. strong fall. stronger spring ahead.

Sure, compared to what. 2027 Black Bear has been beaten by 2028 A-level HoCo teams in the last 14 months. A hybrid 2027-2028 Dukes team was beat by a 2028 AAA HoCo team.

Parents make fun of programs like Cannons and Predators who get mopped up in dramatic fashion by the likes of Hawks and Madlax. Meanwhile True VA is over here crowing about beating teams that get beat by younger kids whose clubs aren't even in the conversation at their own age.

Strong spring ahead.......we'll check back in on that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They folded. No 27 team this year.

Anyone this misinformed should just stay off this board and spectate

agree, but maybe the person was thinking of VLC, which did fold its 2027 team?

Fascinating to me that in 3 short years we went from the Cavs being a very respectable program,
to having no Cavs but VLC is created (2019),
to having VLC *and* VA Crabs and True VA (2020),
to having VA Crabs purchasing VLC (2020-2021) and True VA failing to take off,
to having all 3 newer programs in a terminal spiral in terms of program health (2021-2022).

All of this under the leadership of "Former D1 players" and "the best coaches," "elite program directors" etc. Well done, grownups.

True VA is doing just fine, thank you. Had a nice outing this last weekend. strong fall. stronger spring ahead.

Wait, True VA?

Yes True VA is doing great!

2-5 in AA ball last year.
3-1 this weekend with big wins over really tough Roughriders, Dukes and Black Bear teams.
Big things ahead. [SARCASM Font]

Not a True VA parent but come on, give these kids a break. The more solid programs we have locally, the better for everyone. This club is clearly trending for the better, not worse. Lot of elite level kids in NoVa, most playing for Madlax. Many of those kids will get tired of the ML rub, True VA could benefit greatly. As could Hammers out in Loudoun, who have an insanely nice, full time practice / training facility.

You're right that kids will get tired of MadLax and depart the program (and in fact many have already), but they are more likely to go to NextLevel or DC Express than to True VA or Hammers.

Actually, the vast majority of the kids playing Madlax are from Fairfax and Loudoun Counties. It’s a hike to go play w DCE and NL. Point is, if these teams can keep a little momentum and start competing (like VLC has done at 2026), kids will drive 10-15 minutes to Hammers or True VA rather than the 1 hr+ it takes to cross that miserable fricking bridge on 495

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You're right that kids will get tired of MadLax and depart the program (and in fact many have already), but they are more likely to go to NextLevel or DC Express than to True VA or Hammers.

Actually, the vast majority of the kids playing Madlax are from Fairfax and Loudoun Counties. It’s a hike to go play w DCE and NL. Point is, if these teams can keep a little momentum and start competing (like VLC has done at 2026), kids will drive 10-15 minutes to Hammers or True VA rather than the 1 hr+ it takes to cross that miserable fricking bridge on 495

Actually....the vast majority of kids will stay at Madlax despite what Next Level mom wants people to think..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone heard what is going on with BLC? They've been very quiet this summer.

They folded. No 27 team this year.

Anyone this misinformed should just stay off this board and spectate

agree, but maybe the person was thinking of VLC, which did fold its 2027 team?

Fascinating to me that in 3 short years we went from the Cavs being a very respectable program,
to having no Cavs but VLC is created (2019),
to having VLC *and* VA Crabs and True VA (2020),
to having VA Crabs purchasing VLC (2020-2021) and True VA failing to take off,
to having all 3 newer programs in a terminal spiral in terms of program health (2021-2022).

All of this under the leadership of "Former D1 players" and "the best coaches," "elite program directors" etc. Well done, grownups.

True VA is doing just fine, thank you. Had a nice outing this last weekend. strong fall. stronger spring ahead.

Sure, compared to what. 2027 Black Bear has been beaten by 2028 A-level HoCo teams in the last 14 months. A hybrid 2027-2028 Dukes team was beat by a 2028 AAA HoCo team.

Parents make fun of programs like Cannons and Predators who get mopped up in dramatic fashion by the likes of Hawks and Madlax. Meanwhile True VA is over here crowing about beating teams that get beat by younger kids whose clubs aren't even in the conversation at their own age.

Strong spring ahead.......we'll check back in on that.

Just adding that No one makes fun of Cannons. A fine club that always competes and generally shows well in its brackets.

Wow... a lot of insecurity on this board. It would be comical if it wasn't so sad.

In elite division matchups this weekend-

Next Level defeats Team 91 by a score of 6-4 in the Adrenaline Gold Cup Championship.

Crabs roll Hawks by a score of 12-2 in Fall Brawl pool play.

Team 10 beats Richmond Hawks by a score of 5-4 in Fall Brawl pool play.

Hawks 2027 1-2….. sounds like they need to reclass again

Correction: NL beats 91 MD 7-4

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In elite division matchups this weekend-

Next Level defeats Team 91 by a score of 6-4 in the Adrenaline Gold Cup Championship.

Crabs roll Hawks by a score of 12-2 in Fall Brawl pool play.

Team 10 beats Richmond Hawks by a score of 5-4 in Fall Brawl pool play.

Team 91 MD.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In elite division matchups this weekend-

Next Level defeats Team 91 by a score of 6-4 in the Adrenaline Gold Cup Championship.

Crabs roll Hawks by a score of 12-2 in Fall Brawl pool play.

Team 10 beats Richmond Hawks by a score of 5-4 in Fall Brawl pool play.

Team 10 also beats Crabs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In elite division matchups this weekend-

Next Level defeats Team 91 by a score of 6-4 in the Adrenaline Gold Cup Championship.

Crabs roll Hawks by a score of 12-2 in Fall Brawl pool play.

Team 10 beats Richmond Hawks by a score of 5-4 in Fall Brawl pool play.

Does the Hawks have 2 Teams? According to US Club lacrosse they have a green and a black team

Hawks loses 12-2 to Crabs and then gets beat 10-4 by Team Ten. Explanation?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks loses 12-2 to Crabs and then gets beat 10-4 by Team Ten. Explanation?

I heard they were missing one of their best players on attack. And these are still young kids.... sometimes they lose confidence and get rolled. I'd be curious to hear how face-offs went as well.

The Hawks are built around the attack kid getting 15+ shots a game. He's probably worth a solid 5 wor and maybe winning that game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In elite division matchups this weekend-

Next Level defeats Team 91 by a score of 6-4 in the Adrenaline Gold Cup Championship.

Crabs roll Hawks by a score of 12-2 in Fall Brawl pool play.

Team 10 beats Richmond Hawks by a score of 5-4 in Fall Brawl pool play.

Does the Hawks have 2 Teams? According to US Club lacrosse they have a green and a black team

I wouldn't put too much stock in USCL for awhile. It looks like either their scraping software is pulling from both boys and girls results and even multiple ages and putting results in their team pages; or people are posting results on the wrong pages.

The scores posted here are confirmed on the tourney app

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In elite division matchups this weekend-

Next Level defeats Team 91 by a score of 6-4 in the Adrenaline Gold Cup Championship.

Crabs roll Hawks by a score of 12-2 in Fall Brawl pool play.

Team 10 beats Richmond Hawks by a score of 5-4 in Fall Brawl pool play.

Does the Hawks have 2 Teams? According to US Club lacrosse they have a green and a black team

Hawks only have 1 2027 team unless they are trying to scam the system by listing 2 for their games where they don't have the full team. The NY teams have multiple names so they don't get dinged when they play the teams out of region.

Sounds like the Crabs signed multiple free agents from their 2026 team….

Holdbacks and out of town kids help. Looks like if you don’t have them in 8th grade you don’t stand chance in elite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like the Crabs signed multiple free agents from their 2026 team….

Mediocre, but large mediocre.

Does the Hawks have 2 Teams? According to US Club lacrosse they have a green and a black team[/quote]

Hawks only have 1 2027 team unless they are trying to scam the system by listing 2 for their games where they don't have the full team. The NY teams have multiple names so they don't get dinged when they play the teams out of region.[/quote]

Ok, grab a map and follow along if you can: Annapolis, Maryland (home of the Annapolis Hawks) and Richmond, Virginia (home of the - wait for it - Richmond Hawks) are two whole different cities in two totally different states! I know it’s wild.

I so hope you’re just some weird troll and have not actually reproduced offspring.

When can a kid drop Club lax if he’s not really interested in college lacrosse but wants to be competitive in Highschool?

Here’s the situation my son will go to highschool with a very competitive lax team. He really wants to play varsity lax in highschool. He is a good player on a top team. But honestly he’s not a world beater. In my estimate the only way he would play D1 or D2 would be to go to whatever team would take him. In other words, he would have to twist his college choice around lax. I don’t think that makes sense and While he loves lacrosse he’s not that committed. Is the smart move to wait till he makes varsity and then stop club?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does the Hawks have 2 Teams? According to US Club lacrosse they have a green and a black team

Hawks only have 1 2027 team unless they are trying to scam the system by listing 2 for their games where they don't have the full team. The NY teams have multiple names so they don't get dinged when they play the teams out of region.[/quote]

Ok, grab a map and follow along if you can: Annapolis, Maryland (home of the Annapolis Hawks) and Richmond, Virginia (home of the - wait for it - Richmond Hawks) are two whole different cities in two totally different states! I know it’s wild.

I so hope you’re just some weird troll and have not actually reproduced offspring.[/quote]

Thanks for your geography reply but do us all a favor and check the US Club Lacrosse rankings and note that there are two Annapolis Hawks teams listed for 2027 - green and black. Pretty sure that is what the original post was asking and if you took the time to actually read it perhaps you could have saved us all from your so called geography lesson

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does the Hawks have 2 Teams? According to US Club lacrosse they have a green and a black team

Hawks only have 1 2027 team unless they are trying to scam the system by listing 2 for their games where they don't have the full team. The NY teams have multiple names so they don't get dinged when they play the teams out of region.[/quote]

Ok, grab a map and follow along if you can: Annapolis, Maryland (home of the Annapolis Hawks) and Richmond, Virginia (home of the - wait for it - Richmond Hawks) are two whole different cities in two totally different states! I know it’s wild.

I so hope you’re just some weird troll and have not actually reproduced offspring.[/quote]

Who said anything about Richmond? US Club Lax clearly list two Annapolis Hawks teams. Annapolis, the capital of Maryland. https://www.USCL.com/rank?state_abbv=MD&v=1027&alpha=Y&y=2022&seed=9yoaqm

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like the Crabs signed multiple free agents from their 2026 team….

Makes sense given their history. Remember, they were posting shots on IG last year during SandStorm with rostered 2026's playing for the 2027's.

The best thing to come along has been the use of Authenticate. They verify age and actual school grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When can a kid drop Club lax if he’s not really interested in college lacrosse but wants to be competitive in Highschool?

Here’s the situation my son will go to highschool with a very competitive lax team. He really wants to play varsity lax in highschool. He is a good player on a top team. But honestly he’s not a world beater. In my estimate the only way he would play D1 or D2 would be to go to whatever team would take him. In other words, he would have to twist his college choice around lax. I don’t think that makes sense and While he loves lacrosse he’s not that committed. Is the smart move to wait till he makes varsity and then stop club?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts

Tons of kids play top level club and don't go on to play in college. Does you son enjoy playing club? If yes, keep playing. If no, stick with highschool.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When can a kid drop Club lax if he’s not really interested in college lacrosse but wants to be competitive in Highschool?

Here’s the situation my son will go to highschool with a very competitive lax team. He really wants to play varsity lax in highschool. He is a good player on a top team. But honestly he’s not a world beater. In my estimate the only way he would play D1 or D2 would be to go to whatever team would take him. In other words, he would have to twist his college choice around lax. I don’t think that makes sense and While he loves lacrosse he’s not that committed. Is the smart move to wait till he makes varsity and then stop club?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts

Drop Club lax now. He can still enjoy high school lacrosse. Going to Bellarmine, or South Cackalackey State to play lacrosse, rather than Virginia Tech or a legit school where he can get a legit education would be foolish.

And by the way, Club lacrosse at these big schools like VT (just using that as an example for local kids) is legit. Ton of former club players, the kids have a blast, and they don’t end up sacrificing a legit education so they can chase the delusions of D1 lax.

Just my opinion, which we all know are like tailpipes— everyone has one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When can a kid drop Club lax if he’s not really interested in college lacrosse but wants to be competitive in Highschool?

Here’s the situation my son will go to highschool with a very competitive lax team. He really wants to play varsity lax in highschool. He is a good player on a top team. But honestly he’s not a world beater. In my estimate the only way he would play D1 or D2 would be to go to whatever team would take him. In other words, he would have to twist his college choice around lax. I don’t think that makes sense and While he loves lacrosse he’s not that committed. Is the smart move to wait till he makes varsity and then stop club?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts

Drop Club lax now. He can still enjoy high school lacrosse. Going to Bellarmine, or South Cackalackey State to play lacrosse, rather than Virginia Tech or a legit school where he can get a legit education would be foolish.

And by the way, Club lacrosse at these big schools like VT (just using that as an example for local kids) is legit. Ton of former club players, the kids have a blast, and they don’t end up sacrificing a legit education so they can chase the delusions of D1 lax.

Just my opinion, which we all know are like tailpipes— everyone has one.

This is heresy around here but is fantastic parenting advice, though I might give it until the end of 9th grade to make a decision. There are enough D1, D2, D3 spots for every talented HS player in the USA. Top/mid level D1 and top level D2 is where kids get twisted up making a poor school choice usually. At the majority of D3 programs, they are still looking for players in January/Feb during college applications.

See what 8th grade and 9th grade lax bring him. If by March of 9th grade, he's not the rare kid who makes varsity in 9th, and he's also not working out on his own daily-ish (without Dad barking at him to do so), it is probably time to shift the focus away from college lax, understanding that it may come full circle and he ends up playing D2, D3, club, or whatever, at a school he really wants to be at.

Op here. Thanks for the excellent analysis. I am skeptical that my son would make varsity his freshman year. He’s athletic and skilled but my understanding is that the varsity rarely takes more than 1 or 2 freshmen. I think he’ll have a real shot making the team as a Sophomore (I know a bunch of the current varsity families and he compares favorably). My concern is that if this summer is his last club summer- do the kids playing club pass him by when he’s a sophomore. On the other hand, it seems a waste to make the investment in club and give up opportunities for him to go to camps or even (godwilling) get a job if we’re not all in for college lax. Again t truely appreciate the responses

Go to camps

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Op here. Thanks for the excellent analysis. I am skeptical that my son would make varsity his freshman year. He’s athletic and skilled but my understanding is that the varsity rarely takes more than 1 or 2 freshmen. I think he’ll have a real shot making the team as a Sophomore (I know a bunch of the current varsity families and he compares favorably). My concern is that if this summer is his last club summer- do the kids playing club pass him by when he’s a sophomore. On the other hand, it seems a waste to make the investment in club and give up opportunities for him to go to camps or even (godwilling) get a job if we’re not all in for college lax. Again t truely appreciate the responses

Great question and topic. I've had a few kids go thru the club and HS circuit in MIAA and IAAM. I assume that your son will attending one the MIAA A teams. If not it would change the equation. My oldest lines up close to what you've described. He was a contributor but not star on the JV his freshman year. He made varsity as a soph but rarely played. Junior year he played more but time was inconsistent. Solid contributor as a senior. He was lucky to be on be a club team with great coaches, kids and parents. He couldn't wait for the summer season because he was a first line player and on the field when game was close etc. It was a good club team but not "elite". they played mostly June events. Most of the boys will be getting these summer reps and definitely helped helped him make teams and earn PT So unless he's going to be working on his game independently it will be hard to keep up with boys that are "all-in" . If you're ok with financial and time investment on your part, club lacrosse is your best bet. He had jobs and went to beach in summers too. Ultimately he played MCLA club and had a blast. Good luck and enjoy the ride

BBL & Machine in finals this weekend?

No team ten at the NAL this weekend???

BBL & Machine in finals this weekend?

There’s no one in Machine’s way, if LIE goes on a run they have a shot, that’s it. Never saw Mad Dog, maybe they can play with BBL?

All depends on how many 9th graders mad dog brings.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL & Machine in finals this weekend?

There’s no one in Machine’s way, if LIE goes on a run they have a shot, that’s it. Never saw Mad Dog, maybe they can play with BBL?

Aged like milk…. No one in their way

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL & Machine in finals this weekend?

There’s no one in Machine’s way, if LIE goes on a run they have a shot, that’s it. Never saw Mad Dog, maybe they can play with BBL?

Aged like milk…. No one in their way

Fall lacrosse is a crapshoot, give him some credit, he called LIE

You better check again there’s a lot of teams in the way; hope you didn’t put any money down on your machine bbl prediction

New rankings are out. But mostly worthless due to so few results in the fall.

Mesa beat Mad Dog National and BBL at NAL. They finished last season beating West Coast Starz and Eclipse. Seems to be a solid team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mesa beat Mad Dog National and BBL at NAL. They finished last season beating West Coast Starz and Eclipse. Seems to be a solid team.

Who?

Fall is over. What does HoCo top 2 divisions look like?

Fall is over. What does HoCo top 2 divisions look like?

Up for grabs judging by the fall results. Hawks got beat handily by Crabs and Team Ten, Ten then beat Crabs so who knows how good they are. Madlax has won some and lost some. NL looks the same as usual.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone heard what is going on with BLC? They've been very quiet this summer.

They folded. No 27 team this year.

Anyone this misinformed should just stay off this board and spectate

agree, but maybe the person was thinking of VLC, which did fold its 2027 team?

Fascinating to me that in 3 short years we went from the Cavs being a very respectable program,
to having no Cavs but VLC is created (2019),
to having VLC *and* VA Crabs and True VA (2020),
to having VA Crabs purchasing VLC (2020-2021) and True VA failing to take off,
to having all 3 newer programs in a terminal spiral in terms of program health (2021-2022).

All of this under the leadership of "Former D1 players" and "the best coaches," "elite program directors" etc. Well done, grownups.

True VA is doing just fine, thank you. Had a nice outing this last weekend. strong fall. stronger spring ahead.

Sure, compared to what. 2027 Black Bear has been beaten by 2028 A-level HoCo teams in the last 14 months. A hybrid 2027-2028 Dukes team was beat by a 2028 AAA HoCo team.

Parents make fun of programs like Cannons and Predators who get mopped up in dramatic fashion by the likes of Hawks and Madlax. Meanwhile True VA is over here crowing about beating teams that get beat by younger kids whose clubs aren't even in the conversation at their own age.

Strong spring ahead.......we'll check back in on that.

Facts. True has nearly endless resources and can't assemble (not buy) a real product in VA or MD that competes with real teams. And then when the promises aren't realized, the families bail out. That's the story.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fall is over. What does HoCo top 2 divisions look like?

Up for grabs judging by the fall results. Hawks got beat handily by Crabs and Team Ten, Ten then beat Crabs so who knows how good they are. Madlax has won some and lost some. NL looks the same as usual.

HoCo will be a two team race between Hawks and NextLevel. NextLevel will fall short against the Hawks like they always do, but those two teams have pulled ahead of everyone else. Crabs might be in the mix if the holdback rumors are true.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fall is over. What does HoCo top 2 divisions look like?

Up for grabs judging by the fall results. Hawks got beat handily by Crabs and Team Ten, Ten then beat Crabs so who knows how good they are. Madlax has won some and lost some. NL looks the same as usual.

HoCo will be a two team race between Hawks and NextLevel. NextLevel will fall short against the Hawks like they always do, but those two teams have pulled ahead of everyone else. Crabs might be in the mix if the holdback rumors are true.

Crabs put a beatdown on Hawks (albeit w/o Hawks best attackman), so I would not rule them out. And NL did not impress this fall vs elite competition (not that any of the HoCo teams did).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fall is over. What does HoCo top 2 divisions look like?

Up for grabs judging by the fall results. Hawks got beat handily by Crabs and Team Ten, Ten then beat Crabs so who knows how good they are. Madlax has won some and lost some. NL looks the same as usual.

HoCo will be a two team race between Hawks and NextLevel. NextLevel will fall short against the Hawks like they always do, but those two teams have pulled ahead of everyone else. Crabs might be in the mix if the holdback rumors are true.

Crabs put a beatdown on Hawks (albeit w/o Hawks best attackman), so I would not rule them out. And NL did not impress this fall vs elite competition (not that any of the HoCo teams did).

By Spring Crabs will be top 3 . Say what you want, they have some new studs coming their way.

Thanks NY daddy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fall is over. What does HoCo top 2 divisions look like?

Up for grabs judging by the fall results. Hawks got beat handily by Crabs and Team Ten, Ten then beat Crabs so who knows how good they are. Madlax has won some and lost some. NL looks the same as usual.

HoCo will be a two team race between Hawks and NextLevel. NextLevel will fall short against the Hawks like they always do, but those two teams have pulled ahead of everyone else. Crabs might be in the mix if the holdback rumors are true.

Crabs put a beatdown on Hawks (albeit w/o Hawks best attackman), so I would not rule them out. And NL did not impress this fall vs elite competition (not that any of the HoCo teams did).

By Spring Crabs will be top 3 . Say what you want, they have some new studs coming their way.

Just because they are already 15, doesn't mean they are studs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Fall is over. What does HoCo top 2 divisions look like?

Up for grabs judging by the fall results. Hawks got beat handily by Crabs and Team Ten, Ten then beat Crabs so who knows how good they are. Madlax has won some and lost some. NL looks the same as usual.

HoCo will be a two team race between Hawks and NextLevel. NextLevel will fall short against the Hawks like they always do, but those two teams have pulled ahead of everyone else. Crabs might be in the mix if the holdback rumors are true.

Crabs put a beatdown on Hawks (albeit w/o Hawks best attackman), so I would not rule them out. And NL did not impress this fall vs elite competition (not that any of the HoCo teams did).

That Hawks attackman is worth 10 goals?….ok

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Fall is over. What does HoCo top 2 divisions look like?

Up for grabs judging by the fall results. Hawks got beat handily by Crabs and Team Ten, Ten then beat Crabs so who knows how good they are. Madlax has won some and lost some. NL looks the same as usual.

HoCo will be a two team race between Hawks and NextLevel. NextLevel will fall short against the Hawks like they always do, but those two teams have pulled ahead of everyone else. Crabs might be in the mix if the holdback rumors are true.

Crabs put a beatdown on Hawks (albeit w/o Hawks best attackman), so I would not rule them out. And NL did not impress this fall vs elite competition (not that any of the HoCo teams did).

That Hawks attackman is worth 10 goals?….ok

Crabs dads on here beating their chest. Glad to see you finally beat a legit team at 27. It only took you how many years,holdbacks,coaching changes and out of town kids?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Fall is over. What does HoCo top 2 divisions look like?

Up for grabs judging by the fall results. Hawks got beat handily by Crabs and Team Ten, Ten then beat Crabs so who knows how good they are. Madlax has won some and lost some. NL looks the same as usual.

HoCo will be a two team race between Hawks and NextLevel. NextLevel will fall short against the Hawks like they always do, but those two teams have pulled ahead of everyone else. Crabs might be in the mix if the holdback rumors are true.

Crabs put a beatdown on Hawks (albeit w/o Hawks best attackman), so I would not rule them out. And NL did not impress this fall vs elite competition (not that any of the HoCo teams did).

That Hawks attackman is worth 10 goals?….ok

Crabs dads on here beating their chest. Glad to see you finally beat a legit team at 27. It only took you how many years,holdbacks,coaching changes and out of town kids?

Beating your chest about an off-season game is pretty amateur

The new fat crab in town on the 2027 team has been waiting for this day for a long time I bet. Years and tears of losing. Celebrating a fall game is lame. Beat them in HOCO and you'll get your championship feast

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Fall is over. What does HoCo top 2 divisions look like?

Up for grabs judging by the fall results. Hawks got beat handily by Crabs and Team Ten, Ten then beat Crabs so who knows how good they are. Madlax has won some and lost some. NL looks the same as usual.

HoCo will be a two team race between Hawks and NextLevel. NextLevel will fall short against the Hawks like they always do, but those two teams have pulled ahead of everyone else. Crabs might be in the mix if the holdback rumors are true.

Crabs put a beatdown on Hawks (albeit w/o Hawks best attackman), so I would not rule them out. And NL did not impress this fall vs elite competition (not that any of the HoCo teams did).

That Hawks attackman is worth 10 goals?….ok

Potentially yes. He is the dominant player in the elite division of HoCo, and one of the criticisms of Hawks, is that they over-rely on one player for their offense. I am not saying that he would have ten goals/assists himself, but his absence changes the match ups and strategies for both teams, so the game would have been much different if he had been there. (no, he is not my son).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fall is over. What does HoCo top 2 divisions look like?

Up for grabs judging by the fall results. Hawks got beat handily by Crabs and Team Ten, Ten then beat Crabs so who knows how good they are. Madlax has won some and lost some. NL looks the same as usual.

The attackman from Hawks has moved on. The family told the Hawks they will be secondary to all star teams like the Red Hots. Several other families are considering moving too because of the fall results. They didn't believe it when people told them it was a pretty average team except for him. He is probably a top 5 in that class nationally.

Next Level is a really good, but not great, local club. Red Hots beat them 2 out of 3 and NL lost this weekend to the all star teams. I am told the roster was extremely depleted due to illness and injury. They crushed every other club team they played and beat a few all star teams.

Crabs have probably jumped to top 2 in elite if Hawks attackman doesn't play or if other Hawks families jump ship.

The next story is DC Express. They are really bad. Next Level beat them without a bunch of starters 16-0. The refs stopped keeping score at 12. I can't believe they want to be elite and I can't believe that club will be around after this season.

MadLax probably scratches out top 4 but could slide out if FCA or Team 91 MD play well.

https://www.insidelacrosse.com//art...cation-is-coming-to-youth-lacrosse/60381

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fall is over. What does HoCo top 2 divisions look like?

Up for grabs judging by the fall results. Hawks got beat handily by Crabs and Team Ten, Ten then beat Crabs so who knows how good they are. Madlax has won some and lost some. NL looks the same as usual.

The attackman from Hawks has moved on. The family told the Hawks they will be secondary to all star teams like the Red Hots. Several other families are considering moving too because of the fall results. They didn't believe it when people told them it was a pretty average team except for him. He is probably a top 5 in that class nationally.

Next Level is a really good, but not great, local club. Red Hots beat them 2 out of 3 and NL lost this weekend to the all star teams. I am told the roster was extremely depleted due to illness and injury. They crushed every other club team they played and beat a few all star teams.

Crabs have probably jumped to top 2 in elite if Hawks attackman doesn't play or if other Hawks families jump ship.

The next story is DC Express. They are really bad. Next Level beat them without a bunch of starters 16-0. The refs stopped keeping score at 12. I can't believe they want to be elite and I can't believe that club will be around after this season.

MadLax probably scratches out top 4 but could slide out if FCA or Team 91 MD play well.

Good info! BLC has just really become an average club like SWers. We enjoyed the activities with them early on. Saw too much drama on coaches, especially at the 27 age, to try to stay with them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

https://www.insidelacrosse.com//art...cation-is-coming-to-youth-lacrosse/60381

Good article but too late for thie age group. Also, why even bring up US Lacrosse? They've been a lame duck forever and the real pioneer has been The Circuit. They used Authenticate and it was immediately noticed by parents and players how much physically smaller the rosters were without the large amount of pre June 1 players and without the older class kids playing down due to class verification.

I like the Gladwell reference too. With databases, it would be even easier to tighten up the rosters even more by moving to a monthly date. Please don't give me "teams are disrupted" nonsense. Practice times and rosters change all the time. There is no need to select an arbitrary month. Make it the first of each month. 3 Step will have to be the leader and clubs will adapt. The lesser clubs will adapt a lot faster than the traditional holdback powerhouses.

Hots are trying to bring a team for the elite division at hoco. Crabs about to get dipped in butter

There is no need to select an arbitrary month. Make it the first of each month. .[/quote]

Huh? Instead of having a tourney bracket for kids born in 2009, you would have separate tourney brackets for kids born in Jan 2009, Feb 2009, March 2009 . . . ?

Sorry if I'm being dense, but I'm not following.

I think getting kids to play kids born in a 12 month window is fine, whatever the 12 month window is. Some kids will be a little disadvantaged (i.e. 12/31 birthdays) but less disadvantaged than the kids playing kids 18-24 months older than them today.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is no need to select an arbitrary month. Make it the first of each month. .

Huh? Instead of having a tourney bracket for kids born in 2009, you would have separate tourney brackets for kids born in Jan 2009, Feb 2009, March 2009 . . . ?

Sorry if I'm being dense, but I'm not following.

I think getting kids to play kids born in a 12 month window is fine, whatever the 12 month window is. Some kids will be a little disadvantaged (i.e. 12/31 birthdays) but less disadvantaged than the kids playing kids 18-24 months older than them today.[/quote]

u14, u13, ... If you are under 14 - you play u14. If you are under 13 - u13. Instead of class based divisions, you move to 'u' divisions.

The point of Gladwell and every holdback attacker is for kids before puberty, which is around 14-15 years old, there is a tremendous physical and maturity difference in kids born 6 months apart.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

https://www.insidelacrosse.com//art...cation-is-coming-to-youth-lacrosse/60381

Good article but too late for thie age group. Also, why even bring up US Lacrosse? They've been a lame duck forever and the real pioneer has been The Circuit. They used Authenticate and it was immediately noticed by parents and players how much physically smaller the rosters were without the large amount of pre June 1 players and without the older class kids playing down due to class verification.

I like the Gladwell reference too. With databases, it would be even easier to tighten up the rosters even more by moving to a monthly date. Please don't give me "teams are disrupted" nonsense. Practice times and rosters change all the time. There is no need to select an arbitrary month. Make it the first of each month. 3 Step will have to be the leader and clubs will adapt. The lesser clubs will adapt a lot faster than the traditional holdback powerhouses.

The circuit allowed each team three exceptions and moved the date to a 16 months window.

The oldest kids in the division could all still play.

Anything other than a 12 month window is a joke.

The Circuit did something and there was a noticeable difference. 3 exceptions to June 1 was better than an entire team. It was a start.

The best system is a monthly age based system and go to the “U” system. You have a birthday and you move up to the older age group the next month.

At the very, very least; double holdback and verification of current class is needed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Circuit did something and there was a noticeable difference. 3 exceptions to June 1 was better than an entire team. It was a start.

The best system is a monthly age based system and go to the “U” system. You have a birthday and you move up to the older age group the next month.

At the very, very least; double holdback and verification of current class is needed.

Monthly system is completely silly and would make rosters impossible. Lets say you are a coach and your 3 attack and your 2 goalies all have April birthdays. On May 1st they are ineligible for your team and move up to the older team. How likely is it that your younger team had 3 attack and 2 goalies with April birthdays to replace them?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hots are trying to bring a team for the elite division at hoco. Crabs about to get dipped in butter

Their elite teams are pay to play, a guest-player based model. Their regular teams are likely AAA at best. And that’s being generous.

Useless debate. New rule wont effect 2027. All real teams go to NLF NAL. Find something productive to be doin.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Circuit did something and there was a noticeable difference. 3 exceptions to June 1 was better than an entire team. It was a start.

The best system is a monthly age based system and go to the “U” system. You have a birthday and you move up to the older age group the next month.

At the very, very least; double holdback and verification of current class is needed.

Monthly system is completely silly and would make rosters impossible. Lets say you are a coach and your 3 attack and your 2 goalies all have April birthdays. On May 1st they are ineligible for your team and move up to the older team. How likely is it that your younger team had 3 attack and 2 goalies with April birthdays to replace them?

Agreed. No reason to over complicate it. Tryouts would be a mess. The majority of big tourneys are in June and July so August/Sept birthdays would still have an advantage.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is no need to select an arbitrary month. Make it the first of each month. .

Huh? Instead of having a tourney bracket for kids born in 2009, you would have separate tourney brackets for kids born in Jan 2009, Feb 2009, March 2009 . . . ?

Sorry if I'm being dense, but I'm not following.

I think getting kids to play kids born in a 12 month window is fine, whatever the 12 month window is. Some kids will be a little disadvantaged (i.e. 12/31 birthdays) but less disadvantaged than the kids playing kids 18-24 months older than them today.

u14, u13, ... If you are under 14 - you play u14. If you are under 13 - u13. Instead of class based divisions, you move to 'u' divisions.

The point of Gladwell and every holdback attacker is for kids before puberty, which is around 14-15 years old, there is a tremendous physical and maturity difference in kids born 6 months apart.[/quote]

This doesn’t work. You would have kids aging up to the next group in the middle of a summer tournament.

Idea is, you want to have teams compete together for a season. So, if you have it by north year, all the kids born in 2010 would play together from January 1 through Dec 31, and the team wouldn’t break apart mid season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

https://www.insidelacrosse.com//art...cation-is-coming-to-youth-lacrosse/60381

Good article but too late for thie age group. Also, why even bring up US Lacrosse? They've been a lame duck forever and the real pioneer has been The Circuit. They used Authenticate and it was immediately noticed by parents and players how much physically smaller the rosters were without the large amount of pre June 1 players and without the older class kids playing down due to class verification.

I like the Gladwell reference too. With databases, it would be even easier to tighten up the rosters even more by moving to a monthly date. Please don't give me "teams are disrupted" nonsense. Practice times and rosters change all the time. There is no need to select an arbitrary month. Make it the first of each month. 3 Step will have to be the leader and clubs will adapt. The lesser clubs will adapt a lot faster than the traditional holdback powerhouses.

The circuit allowed each team three exceptions and moved the date to a 16 months window.

The oldest kids in the division could all still play.

Anything other than a 12 month window is a joke.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Mesa beat Mad Dog National and BBL at NAL. They finished last season beating West Coast Starz and Eclipse. Seems to be a solid team.

Who?

Mesa... you know where Grant Ament and Michael Sowers played club. So asking who they are seems like an uneducated question.

Wow. The holdback dig-in is strong on botc.

Tryouts would be a mess - what tryouts. Teams are pre-determined except for a couple of kids being swapped.

What if your entire attack is born in 1 month or both goalies are born in the same month - That's a ridiculous statement and that's the point. Grow the game and let other kids get a chance. It's called coaching. Let's see how your kid does when he's the youngest for a few months. Heaven forbid, your child may even have to play a different position.

You have kids aging up in the middle of a summer tournament. The only 2 age up days are June 1 and July 1. There are no tournaments August 1. Yes, going to need to coach a little and communicate with the other teams below and above you.

Who cares if teams break up during the course of the year. Families move, bones get broken and kids play different sports all the time. It's called growing the game. And I've got news for you. Most of the team and their parents would love to see their kids get some time over the giant older kid or the kid whose parents pay the coach or the coach's kid or the coach's drinking buddies kid. They really think their kid would be just as good if not better if they were just a little older. They are just being polite to you on the sideline. The real conversation is at home when they keep saying "if only sammy were born 6 months earlier, he'd easily be as good as Jackson." He's probably right.

Let's just make it Jan 1. Why? it's an arbitrary date on the calendar. Let's make it March 1 before HoCo or June 1 before the summer season or August 1 to match the month when most schools start.

I agree the monthly age up will never be implemented but it could be done and it's the most fair. How about every 3 months or even 6? Anything is better than 12 or the current 23+.

The criticism of The Circuit is ridiculous. They did something even if it was imperfect. People are angry because their giant kid who isn't that good was left off the roster because he wasn't one of the 3 exceptions or the "reclassing next year" was rejected.

I'd love to see a lower level tourney org like Aloha take a stab at it. I bet they'd still have enough registrations.

People crack me up calling Jan 1 an arbitrary date. It’s not. It’s literally the first day of the year.

People also crack me up calling Sept 1 an arbitrary date. It’s not. It’s suggested by US lacrosse. It’s used by other sports. It coincides with most school years nationally. It coincides with the youth lacrosse season.

When a date doesn’t meet whiny parents crying train gets loaded to leave the station.

You''re going to have to explain why New Year's day has any importance in athletics. And the September 1 day has no meaning when we're talking about club/rec sports rather than school sports. Also, the more dates you include, the more arbitrary those dates become.

The first step is to acknowledge kids, using 2027's as an example, born prior to 9/1/2007 shouldn't be 2027 athletes regardless of their enrollment. These are the double holdbacks and there are 5-10 in hoco in the 8th grade division every year.

The next is to have a verification system with age and class required. I have yet to run across one of these national all star teams who aren't using 9th graders on the 8th grade roster. The only 2 tournaments where that didn't happen was WSYL and The Circuit. They both verified.

If the system remains class-based, I would go further and eliminate 2007 birth dates altogether and maybe roll it all the way to June1. If the system were to magically change to age-based, I would argue for a February 1 and August 1 "age-up" date. This would capture the spring/summer and fall/winter season. This would also allow some kids to gain back some age and maturity disadvantages.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

People crack me up calling Jan 1 an arbitrary date. It’s not. It’s literally the first day of the year.

People also crack me up calling Sept 1 an arbitrary date. It’s not. It’s suggested by US lacrosse. It’s used by other sports. It coincides with most school years nationally. It coincides with the youth lacrosse season.

When a date doesn’t meet whiny parents crying train gets loaded to leave the station.

Agreed. The date doesn't matter. No matter what date you choose, some kids will have an advantage and some will have a disadvantage.

Even for the people suggesting the silly 13u classification, there will still be advantages. The summer is by far the most important time for club lax. If my kid's birthday is Aug 1st, he will have an advantage at every summer tourney every year. If my kid has a May 31st birthday he will be at a disadvantage every summer tourney season.

There will always be some age advantage. The goal should be to just shrink the size of the age advantage from 24 months to 12 months.

You are totally missing the point of the article. USL already has a 12 month range and it is completely ignored because they are a toothless entity. The major tournament organizers like 3Step, Adrenaline, NXT, Sandstorm and whoever need to realize they can fill up their fields with verified age and class teams.

3 Step already did that with the Circuit and made a little extra money on the side through the verification process. Look for the PLL junior events to implement the same thing. Once Cabel and guys like him realize they can make an extra $1 per registrant and they don't do anything, that'll speed it along.

Why are we still talking about this? These boys are going into high school. The hold back conversation ship has sailed.

With WSL huge success, and age base play coming next fall, expect to see U16 and U18 tournament and showcase opportunities.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are we still talking about this? These boys are going into high school. The hold back conversation ship has sailed.

Mostly true but if they institute a 12 month age window for 8th grade and below and leave HS level based on grade then next year could be interesting. The current batch of 2027 age kids who are holdbacks playing in 2028 will have no teams to play for in the spring season. They will be too old to play on the 8th grade age based teams and the 2027 HS freshman age club teams will have no spring season. Tryouts will have extra kids too, as the holdbacks will have to return to their 2027 teams to play fall and summer.

If I am following you correctly, the 2027 playing in 2028 would play for the 2027 club team next year and just not play high school as they are in 8th grade next year. Then in 9th grade they play back with the 2028 and do high school lacrosse. Why is that a big deal?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If I am following you correctly, the 2027 playing in 2028 would play for the 2027 club team next year and just not play high school as they are in 8th grade next year. Then in 9th grade they play back with the 2028 and do high school lacrosse. Why is that a big deal?

It's definitely not a big deal but it will have implications for some. The spring season is the primary lacrosse season so the holdbacks will miss out on that for one year. Rosters will get juggled as those kids bounce between age groups which would displace other kids. Overall still seems preferable to the current setup.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hots are trying to bring a team for the elite division at hoco. Crabs about to get dipped in butter

It's a bit early to say that.

Some of the Red Hots families were already making the drive for kids at other age groups who play for 91MD and other AAA HoCo level teams. So this doesn't surprise me.

Would be curious which 2027 kids' parents would and wouldn't make the weekly drive to HoCo in the spring. How many kids from the Natl Team vs AAA team vs AA team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are we still talking about this? These boys are going into high school. The hold back conversation ship has sailed.

Mostly true but if they institute a 12 month age window for 8th grade and below and leave HS level based on grade then next year could be interesting. The current batch of 2027 age kids who are holdbacks playing in 2028 will have no teams to play for in the spring season. They will be too old to play on the 8th grade age based teams and the 2027 HS freshman age club teams will have no spring season. Tryouts will have extra kids too, as the holdbacks will have to return to their 2027 teams to play fall and summer.

That's why they are proposing to grandfather it in, for a year.
To allow those kids exemptions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If I am following you correctly, the 2027 playing in 2028 would play for the 2027 club team next year and just not play high school as they are in 8th grade next year. Then in 9th grade they play back with the 2028 and do high school lacrosse. Why is that a big deal?

Here is the issue. In spring 2024, 2028's who are too old under the new rules would have to miss their last season of HoCo, because they can't play 2028, and the 2027 class would no longer be in HoCo. Perhaps HoCo would grandfather that one class?

Then summer 2024 would be interesting because 2027 teams would be flooded with 2028's looking to play for just the summer. Those 2028 players are unlikely to join a team temporarily to ride the bench, so the 2028's would choose whatever level of play (elite, A, B) where they can be starters, which would push a lot of 2027's to the bench for one summer. Then in fall 2024, everything would return to normal. Whether or not these issues are a "big deal" probably depends on whether your own son is affected.

Why do they not have a team play for? They will take the place of the 2026 holdbacks. But now they will be the youngest Instead of the oldest.

No chance the member programs accept the Red Hots. They don’t come close to meeting the definition of membership. You really think Hawks and Madlax and 91 and …will allow it after rh packed their best players.

Ok. Maybe I’m too new to lacrosse or hoco doesn’t exist in NY?

2026 isn’t impacted. That’s high school. It’s youth.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If I am following you correctly, the 2027 playing in 2028 would play for the 2027 club team next year and just not play high school as they are in 8th grade next year. Then in 9th grade they play back with the 2028 and do high school lacrosse. Why is that a big deal?

Here is the issue. In spring 2024, 2028's who are too old under the new rules would have to miss their last season of HoCo, because they can't play 2028, and the 2027 class would no longer be in HoCo. Perhaps HoCo would grandfather that one class?

Then summer 2024 would be interesting because 2027 teams would be flooded with 2028's looking to play for just the summer. Those 2028 players are unlikely to join a team temporarily to ride the bench, so the 2028's would choose whatever level of play (elite, A, B) where they can be starters, which would push a lot of 2027's to the bench for one summer. Then in fall 2024, everything would return to normal. Whether or not these issues are a "big deal" probably depends on whether your own son is affected.

No one would miss anything.

Hear me out.

The number don't change. They just shift:

Clubs just add a team. U15.

They ALREADY do this in club soccer, basketball etc.

Remember, you are allowed to play UP, not down.

U15 leagues generally have slightly lower numbers (think 4-6 team leagues, not 8) because their kids are now split between freshman teams and U15.

You can have hs freshmen playing on U15 clubs OR Freshman clubs. It's been my experience that the U15 clubs generally consist of older 8th graders, but an occasional hs freshman does play. That's fine. As long as they are of age. The better or older 8th graders generally play up into freshmen league.

But it works out. No issues in soccer.

Which is my point. It won’t impact 2027s. Maybe 28s and that’s a big maybe.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Which is my point. It won’t impact 2027s. Maybe 28s and that’s a big maybe.

It wont impact 28s negatively.
They wont "miss" a year of lacrosse or not have somewhere to play. They (like everyone else), will have to find a new team next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Which is my point. It won’t impact 2027s. Maybe 28s and that’s a big maybe.

It wont impact 28s negatively.
They wont "miss" a year of lacrosse or not have somewhere to play. They (like everyone else), will have to find a new team next year.

I'm vaguely against holdbacks but I accept it's the current law of the land.

That said, I'm amused that a few hundred lax dads between Fairfax VA and Boston MA are shaking their heads this week over the $30-75K they spent on 1-2 years of holding back their future lax all stars. Money down the drain but at least you got some years of bragging rights in youth lax!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Which is my point. It won’t impact 2027s. Maybe 28s and that’s a big maybe.

It wont impact 28s negatively.
They wont "miss" a year of lacrosse or not have somewhere to play. They (like everyone else), will have to find a new team next year.

Exactly. Let's remember for a moment that club lax is, above all, a money making endeavor, and that every club director charging over about $1700/year is in on the grift.

Since that's the case, I can't imagine that said grifters won't find a way to accomodate the holdback parents waving $3K in their hands, crying that their relatively talented kid (for his real age) doesn't have a place to play. A product will quickly emerge to absorb that money, I mean, youth development need.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Which is my point. It won’t impact 2027s. Maybe 28s and that’s a big maybe.

It wont impact 28s negatively.
They wont "miss" a year of lacrosse or not have somewhere to play. They (like everyone else), will have to find a new team next year.

I'm vaguely against holdbacks but I accept it's the current law of the land.

That said, I'm amused that a few hundred lax dads between Fairfax VA and Boston MA are shaking their heads this week over the $30-75K they spent on 1-2 years of holding back their future lax all stars. Money down the drain but at least you got some years of bragging rights in youth lax!

The hold back will still be able to develop and be the "big kid for his class" in high school.
But he'll be compared to kids his actual age, heading into high school when it comes to HS recruiting. His "real" skill level can't be hidden.
The good club teams will now consist of good, ON AGE kids. The large and average skilled kids will be slotted accordingly.
On the bright side, I'm know True will always have a slot for those kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Which is my point. It won’t impact 2027s. Maybe 28s and that’s a big maybe.

It wont impact 28s negatively.
They wont "miss" a year of lacrosse or not have somewhere to play. They (like everyone else), will have to find a new team next year.

I'm vaguely against holdbacks but I accept it's the current law of the land.

That said, I'm amused that a few hundred lax dads between Fairfax VA and Boston MA are shaking their heads this week over the $30-75K they spent on 1-2 years of holding back their future lax all stars. Money down the drain but at least you got some years of bragging rights in youth lax!

The hold back will still be able to develop and be the "big kid for his class" in high school.
But he'll be compared to kids his actual age, heading into high school when it comes to HS recruiting. His "real" skill level can't be hidden.
The good club teams will now consist of good, ON AGE kids. The large and average skilled kids will be slotted accordingly.
On the bright side, I'm know True will always have a slot for those kids.

Parents hold back their kids to improve their opportunities during their HS So year. That really is all that matters for college recruiting. This rule may actually improve that strategy. The kids would be forced to play against older kids longer which should make them better players. Then they get the age advantage during HS when it matters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok. Maybe I’m too new to lacrosse or hoco doesn’t exist in NY?

Howard County, MD spring lacrosse league - aka hoco. It's apparently a pretty big deal around these parts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok. Maybe I’m too new to lacrosse or hoco doesn’t exist in NY?

Howard County, MD spring lacrosse league - aka hoco. It's apparently a pretty big deal around these parts.

Until 9th grade and then no one discusses it again lol. Literally no one will talk about it, the rest of your kid's lax career.

However during those supposed development years, it is actually a very unique and high quality league to test teams/units, coaches, and players in brackets that are generally competitive. I've never heard of anything similar, anywhere else in the country for youth lax. And the facilities are great, compared to so many we all travel to in the summers and fall.

Howard County Lacrosse League has come out of their fall meeting. They decided to eliminate eligibility for all birthdays prior to Jan 1, 2008 in the 2027 division and all corresponding divisions below with the Jan 1 date. This decision was based largely on the polling by USCL, the recent article by Inside Lacrosse and the overwhelming sentiment to put an age ceiling on their divisions.

So it sounds like they are going after double holdbacks. If you are one year older, you will be fine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Howard County Lacrosse League has come out of their fall meeting. They decided to eliminate eligibility for all birthdays prior to Jan 1, 2008 in the 2027 division and all corresponding divisions below with the Jan 1 date. This decision was based largely on the polling by USCL, the recent article by Inside Lacrosse and the overwhelming sentiment to put an age ceiling on their divisions.

What a joke. So the 27 division is now U16. Just think about that. In some states you will have kids with learners permits driving to a HOCO game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Howard County Lacrosse League has come out of their fall meeting. They decided to eliminate eligibility for all birthdays prior to Jan 1, 2008 in the 2027 division and all corresponding divisions below with the Jan 1 date. This decision was based largely on the polling by USCL, the recent article by Inside Lacrosse and the overwhelming sentiment to put an age ceiling on their divisions.

Excellent news. Now the great purge remains.
Clubs who are effected should just move the really older kids who this effects up to their 2026 division teams.
All problems solved.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Howard County Lacrosse League has come out of their fall meeting. They decided to eliminate eligibility for all birthdays prior to Jan 1, 2008 in the 2027 division and all corresponding divisions below with the Jan 1 date. This decision was based largely on the polling by USCL, the recent article by Inside Lacrosse and the overwhelming sentiment to put an age ceiling on their divisions.

What a joke. So the 27 division is now U16. Just think about that. In some states you will have kids with learners permits driving to a HOCO game.

Reread. Then redirect your outrage.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Howard County Lacrosse League has come out of their fall meeting. They decided to eliminate eligibility for all birthdays prior to Jan 1, 2008 in the 2027 division and all corresponding divisions below with the Jan 1 date. This decision was based largely on the polling by USCL, the recent article by Inside Lacrosse and the overwhelming sentiment to put an age ceiling on their divisions.

What a joke. So the 27 division is now U16. Just think about that. In some states you will have kids with learners permits driving to a HOCO game.

Bro, what are you taking about? On age 2027’s we’re born between 9/1/2008 amd 8/31/2009. They’re basically applying the year-based solution to 2027 (and presumably other age groups as well), simply expanding it to include birthdays that fall in the first 8 months of 2008– which is is where a LOT of current 2027 birthdays land.
Applying this to 2028, nobody born prior to 2009 would be eligible for 2028. Basically kicking out the egregious violators of holdback rules.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Howard County Lacrosse League has come out of their fall meeting. They decided to eliminate eligibility for all birthdays prior to Jan 1, 2008 in the 2027 division and all corresponding divisions below with the Jan 1 date. This decision was based largely on the polling by USCL, the recent article by Inside Lacrosse and the overwhelming sentiment to put an age ceiling on their divisions.

Bravo!! The holdbacks who had no business holding back (already old for their grade) just got the boot. Should apply to lower age groups as well. Nobody born prior to 2009 should be eligible for 2028. Nobody born prior or to 2010 would be eligible for 2029, and so on…

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Howard County Lacrosse League has come out of their fall meeting. They decided to eliminate eligibility for all birthdays prior to Jan 1, 2008 in the 2027 division and all corresponding divisions below with the Jan 1 date. This decision was based largely on the polling by USCL, the recent article by Inside Lacrosse and the overwhelming sentiment to put an age ceiling on their divisions.

What a joke. So the 27 division is now U16. Just think about that. In some states you will have kids with learners permits driving to a HOCO game.

Bro, what are you taking about? On age 2027’s we’re born between 9/1/2008 amd 8/31/2009. They’re basically applying the year-based solution to 2027 (and presumably other age groups as well), simply expanding it to include birthdays that fall in the first 8 months of 2008– which is is where a LOT of current 2027 birthdays land.
Applying this to 2028, nobody born prior to 2009 would be eligible for 2028. Basically kicking out the egregious violators of holdback rules.

Realistically how many kids would this impact?

Across 2027 how many kids are actually born in 2007?

They are still permitting kids to be within 20 months of each other in age. (Jan 2008 - Aug 2009).

So…..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Howard County Lacrosse League has come out of their fall meeting. They decided to eliminate eligibility for all birthdays prior to Jan 1, 2008 in the 2027 division and all corresponding divisions below with the Jan 1 date. This decision was based largely on the polling by USCL, the recent article by Inside Lacrosse and the overwhelming sentiment to put an age ceiling on their divisions.

What a joke. So the 27 division is now U16. Just think about that. In some states you will have kids with learners permits driving to a HOCO game.

Bro, what are you taking about? On age 2027’s we’re born between 9/1/2008 amd 8/31/2009. They’re basically applying the year-based solution to 2027 (and presumably other age groups as well), simply expanding it to include birthdays that fall in the first 8 months of 2008– which is is where a LOT of current 2027 birthdays land.
Applying this to 2028, nobody born prior to 2009 would be eligible for 2028. Basically kicking out the egregious violators of holdback rules.

Bro. Reread what you just wrote. This is not just letting the summer birthdays in. This is letting kids that had they been born just three months earlier would be 25s play with 27s. It’s a joke. The kids are way closer to on age 25s than 27s.

I don’t understand the confusion. Holdbacks will still be playing this spring. For example, my son is a true 2027 with an April 2009 birthday. If he was a holdback with the same birthday he would have been born April 2008. Those kids can still play because they make the cutoff under the new rules.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Howard County Lacrosse League has come out of their fall meeting. They decided to eliminate eligibility for all birthdays prior to Jan 1, 2008 in the 2027 division and all corresponding divisions below with the Jan 1 date. This decision was based largely on the polling by USCL, the recent article by Inside Lacrosse and the overwhelming sentiment to put an age ceiling on their divisions.

What a joke. So the 27 division is now U16. Just think about that. In some states you will have kids with learners permits driving to a HOCO game.

Bro, what are you taking about? On age 2027’s we’re born between 9/1/2008 amd 8/31/2009. They’re basically applying the year-based solution to 2027 (and presumably other age groups as well), simply expanding it to include birthdays that fall in the first 8 months of 2008– which is is where a LOT of current 2027 birthdays land.
Applying this to 2028, nobody born prior to 2009 would be eligible for 2028. Basically kicking out the egregious violators of holdback rules.

Bro. Reread what you just wrote. This is not just letting the summer birthdays in. This is letting kids that had they been born just three months earlier would be 25s play with 27s. It’s a joke. The kids are way closer to on age 25s than 27s.

Should totally just be based on a 12 month cycle. If you were born in 2008 you play together, etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Howard County Lacrosse League has come out of their fall meeting. They decided to eliminate eligibility for all birthdays prior to Jan 1, 2008 in the 2027 division and all corresponding divisions below with the Jan 1 date. This decision was based largely on the polling by USCL, the recent article by Inside Lacrosse and the overwhelming sentiment to put an age ceiling on their divisions.

What a joke. So the 27 division is now U16. Just think about that. In some states you will have kids with learners permits driving to a HOCO game.

Bro, what are you taking about? On age 2027’s we’re born between 9/1/2008 amd 8/31/2009. They’re basically applying the year-based solution to 2027 (and presumably other age groups as well), simply expanding it to include birthdays that fall in the first 8 months of 2008– which is is where a LOT of current 2027 birthdays land.
Applying this to 2028, nobody born prior to 2009 would be eligible for 2028. Basically kicking out the egregious violators of holdback rules.

Bro. Reread what you just wrote. This is not just letting the summer birthdays in. This is letting kids that had they been born just three months earlier would be 25s play with 27s. It’s a joke. The kids are way closer to on age 25s than 27s.

Should totally just be based on a 12 month cycle. If you were born in 2008 you play together, etc.

This seems like an effort to gradually transition to 12 month age rules for 2023/2024. The current age range is probably something like 26 months with maybe a few mythical "double holdbacks". This would reduce the range to 20 months for spring 2023 and likely not impact too many players or teams. Then summer tryouts for 2023/2024 (for 2028 and below) would be a strict 12 month range. It gets rid of the egregious cases while not totally blowing up rosters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Howard County Lacrosse League has come out of their fall meeting. They decided to eliminate eligibility for all birthdays prior to Jan 1, 2008 in the 2027 division and all corresponding divisions below with the Jan 1 date. This decision was based largely on the polling by USCL, the recent article by Inside Lacrosse and the overwhelming sentiment to put an age ceiling on their divisions.

What a joke. So the 27 division is now U16. Just think about that. In some states you will have kids with learners permits driving to a HOCO game.

Bro, what are you taking about? On age 2027’s we’re born between 9/1/2008 amd 8/31/2009. They’re basically applying the year-based solution to 2027 (and presumably other age groups as well), simply expanding it to include birthdays that fall in the first 8 months of 2008– which is is where a LOT of current 2027 birthdays land.
Applying this to 2028, nobody born prior to 2009 would be eligible for 2028. Basically kicking out the egregious violators of holdback rules.

Realistically how many kids would this impact?

Across 2027 how many kids are actually born in 2007?

They are still permitting kids to be within 20 months of each other in age. (Jan 2008 - Aug 2009).

So…..

Not many… but will certainly weed out the egregious holdbacks. January 1 cutoff makes the most sense, to avoid having teams splinter midway through the season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Howard County Lacrosse League has come out of their fall meeting. They decided to eliminate eligibility for all birthdays prior to Jan 1, 2008 in the 2027 division and all corresponding divisions below with the Jan 1 date. This decision was based largely on the polling by USCL, the recent article by Inside Lacrosse and the overwhelming sentiment to put an age ceiling on their divisions.

What a joke. So the 27 division is now U16. Just think about that. In some states you will have kids with learners permits driving to a HOCO game.

Bro, what are you taking about? On age 2027’s we’re born between 9/1/2008 amd 8/31/2009. They’re basically applying the year-based solution to 2027 (and presumably other age groups as well), simply expanding it to include birthdays that fall in the first 8 months of 2008– which is is where a LOT of current 2027 birthdays land.
Applying this to 2028, nobody born prior to 2009 would be eligible for 2028. Basically kicking out the egregious violators of holdback rules.

Bro. Reread what you just wrote. This is not just letting the summer birthdays in. This is letting kids that had they been born just three months earlier would be 25s play with 27s. It’s a joke. The kids are way closer to on age 25s than 27s.

I know exactly what I wrote. YES— you’re letting in spring/summer holdbacks, anyone born after Dec 31, 2007. Which is half of these elite 2027 teams. When you go to Year-based, you’ll need to use January 1st as the cutoff to avoid having teams losing players mid season— you think all kids born in 2008, including the fall months of 2008 (who are on age 2027), should be banned from 2027 HoCo league? Good luck with that…

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Howard County Lacrosse League has come out of their fall meeting. They decided to eliminate eligibility for all birthdays prior to Jan 1, 2008 in the 2027 division and all corresponding divisions below with the Jan 1 date. This decision was based largely on the polling by USCL, the recent article by Inside Lacrosse and the overwhelming sentiment to put an age ceiling on their divisions.

What a joke. So the 27 division is now U16. Just think about that. In some states you will have kids with learners permits driving to a HOCO game.

Bro, what are you taking about? On age 2027’s we’re born between 9/1/2008 amd 8/31/2009. They’re basically applying the year-based solution to 2027 (and presumably other age groups as well), simply expanding it to include birthdays that fall in the first 8 months of 2008– which is is where a LOT of current 2027 birthdays land.
Applying this to 2028, nobody born prior to 2009 would be eligible for 2028. Basically kicking out the egregious violators of holdback rules.

Bro. Reread what you just wrote. This is not just letting the summer birthdays in. This is letting kids that had they been born just three months earlier would be 25s play with 27s. It’s a joke. The kids are way closer to on age 25s than 27s.

I know exactly what I wrote. YES— you’re letting in spring/summer holdbacks, anyone born after Dec 31, 2007. Which is half of these elite 2027 teams. When you go to Year-based, you’ll need to use January 1st as the cutoff to avoid having teams losing players mid season— you think all kids born in 2008, including the fall months of 2008 (who are on age 2027), should be banned from 2027 HoCo league? Good luck with that…

Step one in the process. Smaller windows still coming the following year.

Never going to happen, but keep arguing about it.

Step one in the process. Smaller windows still coming the following year.[/quote]

The following year these boys will be in high school. Maybe you should post some of your wishful thinking on the younger grade forums.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Never going to happen, but keep arguing about it.

Hang on Dad, your son is almost in high school with 5+ years of being the oldest and probably one of the bigger kids on the field. Enjoy JV.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Never going to happen, but keep arguing about it.

Hang on Dad, your son is almost in high school with 5+ years of being the oldest and probably one of the bigger kids on the field. Enjoy JV.

Correction- enjoy JV ... as a junior.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Never going to happen, but keep arguing about it.

Until it shows up in the 2023 rules and bylaws, you're just trolling. Go hit the wall!

Howard County Lacrosse League has come out of their fall meeting. They decided to eliminate eligibility for all birthdays prior to Jan 1, 2008 in the 2027 division and all corresponding divisions below with the Jan 1 date. This decision was based largely on the polling by USCL, the recent article by Inside Lacrosse and the overwhelming sentiment to put an age ceiling on their divisions.[/quote]

I wouldn't believe anything said on BOTC unless it's in writing, which it is not. The new 2023 bylaws mention nothing of age requirements. But have fun arguing about it.

https://www.ghclacrosse.com/rules

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Howard County Lacrosse League has come out of their fall meeting. They decided to eliminate eligibility for all birthdays prior to Jan 1, 2008 in the 2027 division and all corresponding divisions below with the Jan 1 date. This decision was based largely on the polling by USCL, the recent article by Inside Lacrosse and the overwhelming sentiment to put an age ceiling on their divisions.

I wouldn't believe anything said on BOTC unless it's in writing, which it is not. The new 2023 bylaws mention nothing of age requirements. But have fun arguing about it.

https://www.ghclacrosse.com/rules

Totally agree with that. The three most powerful entities in lacrosse are the club programs, prep schools and college programs. I don’t believe any of them have an interest in seeing age restrictions put in place.

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I guess your an angry hold back person.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess your an angry hold back person.

Who are you referring to?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Howard County Lacrosse League has come out of their fall meeting. They decided to eliminate eligibility for all birthdays prior to Jan 1, 2008 in the 2027 division and all corresponding divisions below with the Jan 1 date. This decision was based largely on the polling by USCL, the recent article by Inside Lacrosse and the overwhelming sentiment to put an age ceiling on their divisions.

I wouldn't believe anything said on BOTC unless it's in writing, which it is not. The new 2023 bylaws mention nothing of age requirements. But have fun arguing about it.

https://www.ghclacrosse.com/rules

Totally agree with that. The three most powerful entities in lacrosse are the club programs, prep schools and college programs. I don’t believe any of them have an interest in seeing age restrictions put in place.

That is exactly the truth... Top Clubs want holdbacks to be above the rest, Privates want Holdbacks to be better than the rest, And colleges wabt older players

HOCO league is the reason grade based exploded years ago. Main reason was guy running had son in MIAA .Kid is gone as is he, Wonder if they care as much now

No rule change in HoCo. I will post the director's email and phone number if you want to complain.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Howard County Lacrosse League has come out of their fall meeting. They decided to eliminate eligibility for all birthdays prior to Jan 1, 2008 in the 2027 division and all corresponding divisions below with the Jan 1 date. This decision was based largely on the polling by USCL, the recent article by Inside Lacrosse and the overwhelming sentiment to put an age ceiling on their divisions.

I wouldn't believe anything said on BOTC unless it's in writing, which it is not. The new 2023 bylaws mention nothing of age requirements. But have fun arguing about it.

https://www.ghclacrosse.com/rules

Totally agree with that. The three most powerful entities in lacrosse are the club programs, prep schools and college programs. I don’t believe any of them have an interest in seeing age restrictions put in place.

That is exactly the truth... Top Clubs want holdbacks to be above the rest, Privates want Holdbacks to be better than the rest, And colleges wabt older players

HOCO league is the reason grade based exploded years ago. Main reason was guy running had son in MIAA .Kid is gone as is he, Wonder if they care as much now

HoCo is not the reason grade based exploded.

People just make up anything.n

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Howard County Lacrosse League has come out of their fall meeting. They decided to eliminate eligibility for all birthdays prior to Jan 1, 2008 in the 2027 division and all corresponding divisions below with the Jan 1 date. This decision was based largely on the polling by USCL, the recent article by Inside Lacrosse and the overwhelming sentiment to put an age ceiling on their divisions.

I wouldn't believe anything said on BOTC unless it's in writing, which it is not. The new 2023 bylaws mention nothing of age requirements. But have fun arguing about it.

https://www.ghclacrosse.com/rules

Totally agree with that. The three most powerful entities in lacrosse are the club programs, prep schools and college programs. I don’t believe any of them have an interest in seeing age restrictions put in place.

That is exactly the truth... Top Clubs want holdbacks to be above the rest, Privates want Holdbacks to be better than the rest, And colleges wabt older players

HOCO league is the reason grade based exploded years ago. Main reason was guy running had son in MIAA .Kid is gone as is he, Wonder if they care as much now

HoCo is not the reason grade based exploded.

People just make up anything.n

Grade base lacrosse was for recruiting purposes. You people can complain all you want but it’s not going to change. None of the upper clubs would agree since only way they get better in upper age groups is to assemble the most holdback talent. They don’t develop players. There’s no money to be made changing to age base. Next topic

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Grade base lacrosse was for recruiting purposes. You people can complain all you want but it’s not going to change. None of the upper clubs would agree since only way they get better in upper age groups is to assemble the most holdback talent. They don’t develop players. There’s no money to be made changing to age base. Next topic

Sad but true. The only way any club wins is with older kids playing down. Youth through HS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Grade base lacrosse was for recruiting purposes. You people can complain all you want but it’s not going to change. None of the upper clubs would agree since only way they get better in upper age groups is to assemble the most holdback talent. They don’t develop players. There’s no money to be made changing to age base. Next topic

Uhm, you aren't thinking like a club owner or tournament director.

There IS money to be made changing to age based.

You squeeze the age range so you get to add another age group to tournaments or another team to your club.

Each club is set to make ~$50K a year more just by adding just one more team in that age group. Approx $2500 x 20 kids

And then there is the added "administrative charge" of ensuring age verifications are correct.

Trust me, it's gonna happen. The club directors and tournament directors are already thinking about it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Grade base lacrosse was for recruiting purposes. You people can complain all you want but it’s not going to change. None of the upper clubs would agree since only way they get better in upper age groups is to assemble the most holdback talent. They don’t develop players. There’s no money to be made changing to age base. Next topic

Uhm, you aren't thinking like a club owner or tournament director.

There IS money to be made changing to age based.

You squeeze the age range so you get to add another age group to tournaments or another team to your club.

Each club is set to make ~$50K a year more just by adding just one more team in that age group. Approx $2500 x 20 kids

And then there is the added "administrative charge" of ensuring age verifications are correct.

Trust me, it's gonna happen. The club directors and tournament directors are already thinking about it.

This make no sense at all. So switching to age based doubles amount of kids? Bet you were great in math class. Hope your parents didn’t waste money on private school. That would mean 28 elite only would have approximately 160 holdbacks? Bet be hard to find probably 40. Also most good clubs don’t want 2 teams. They only want one good one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Grade base lacrosse was for recruiting purposes. You people can complain all you want but it’s not going to change. None of the upper clubs would agree since only way they get better in upper age groups is to assemble the most holdback talent. They don’t develop players. There’s no money to be made changing to age base. Next topic

Uhm, you aren't thinking like a club owner or tournament director.

There IS money to be made changing to age based.

You squeeze the age range so you get to add another age group to tournaments or another team to your club.

Each club is set to make ~$50K a year more just by adding just one more team in that age group. Approx $2500 x 20 kids

And then there is the added "administrative charge" of ensuring age verifications are correct.

Trust me, it's gonna happen. The club directors and tournament directors are already thinking about it.

This make no sense at all. So switching to age based doubles amount of kids? Bet you were great in math class. Hope your parents didn’t waste money on private school. That would mean 28 elite only would have approximately 160 holdbacks? Bet be hard to find probably 40. Also most good clubs don’t want 2 teams. They only want one good one.

No, that gets spread across all age groups. Each age group gets pinched and slightly watered down with talent. Look at tryouts. They are all mobbed. Look at these elite teams carrying 24-28 kids at middle school. It only works because you still have more overall kids and demand, than roster spots.

Let’s take Crabs as an example. We all know they have no desire to change. Every team around the 8th grade year completely flipped with holdbacks and out of state players. Overnight they become a top 5 team. I don’t see anyone with real influence changing that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Grade base lacrosse was for recruiting purposes. You people can complain all you want but it’s not going to change. None of the upper clubs would agree since only way they get better in upper age groups is to assemble the most holdback talent. They don’t develop players. There’s no money to be made changing to age base. Next topic

Uhm, you aren't thinking like a club owner or tournament director.

There IS money to be made changing to age based.

You squeeze the age range so you get to add another age group to tournaments or another team to your club.

Each club is set to make ~$50K a year more just by adding just one more team in that age group. Approx $2500 x 20 kids

And then there is the added "administrative charge" of ensuring age verifications are correct.

Trust me, it's gonna happen. The club directors and tournament directors are already thinking about it.

Totally valid point… current teams have overlap from 3 different birth years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let’s take Crabs as an example. We all know they have no desire to change. Every team around the 8th grade year completely flipped with holdbacks and out of state players. Overnight they become a top 5 team. I don’t see anyone with real influence changing that.

In years past their 8th grade team became a top 5 team.
This year, with the current 27s? We haven't seen that improvement yet..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let’s take Crabs as an example. We all know they have no desire to change. Every team around the 8th grade year completely flipped with holdbacks and out of state players. Overnight they become a top 5 team. I don’t see anyone with real influence changing that.

In years past their 8th grade team became a top 5 team.
This year, with the current 27s? We haven't seen that improvement yet..

Ummm....I know it's fall but they are #5 which is a huge improvement from where they were at the end of last year. So it seems like the trend may continue...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let’s take Crabs as an example. We all know they have no desire to change. Every team around the 8th grade year completely flipped with holdbacks and out of state players. Overnight they become a top 5 team. I don’t see anyone with real influence changing that.

In years past their 8th grade team became a top 5 team.
This year, with the current 27s? We haven't seen that improvement yet..

Ummm....I know it's fall but they are #5 which is a huge improvement from where they were at the end of last year. So it seems like the trend may continue...

They aren’t the 5th best team in the country.

Enjoy your fall ranking.

They aren’t the 5th best team in MD.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let’s take Crabs as an example. We all know they have no desire to change. Every team around the 8th grade year completely flipped with holdbacks and out of state players. Overnight they become a top 5 team. I don’t see anyone with real influence changing that.

In years past their 8th grade team became a top 5 team.
This year, with the current 27s? We haven't seen that improvement yet..

Ummm....I know it's fall but they are #5 which is a huge improvement from where they were at the end of last year. So it seems like the trend may continue...

They aren’t the 5th best team in the country.

Enjoy your fall ranking.

Maybe 25th

Well run Elite sixes event yesterday except for the outright class cheating. Counted at least 4 2026's playing for the Team 91 Drip Kings. 2 were 2026 Team 91; one was a Crabs helmet; and one was a fca helmet, which was weird because FCA had a team. I understand this team plays in the Columbia indoor lax league too. Someone should challenge the roster and see if they can the 26's kicked off.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well run Elite sixes event yesterday except for the outright class cheating. Counted at least 4 2026's playing for the Team 91 Drip Kings. 2 were 2026 Team 91; one was a Crabs helmet; and one was a fca helmet, which was weird because FCA had a team. I understand this team plays in the Columbia indoor lax league too. Someone should challenge the roster and see if they can the 26's kicked off.

How do you know the 4 are 2026s?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well run Elite sixes event yesterday except for the outright class cheating. Counted at least 4 2026's playing for the Team 91 Drip Kings. 2 were 2026 Team 91; one was a Crabs helmet; and one was a fca helmet, which was weird because FCA had a team. I understand this team plays in the Columbia indoor lax league too. Someone should challenge the roster and see if they can the 26's kicked off.

How do you know they are 2026's?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well run Elite sixes event yesterday except for the outright class cheating. Counted at least 4 2026's playing for the Team 91 Drip Kings. 2 were 2026 Team 91; one was a Crabs helmet; and one was a fca helmet, which was weird because FCA had a team. I understand this team plays in the Columbia indoor lax league too. Someone should challenge the roster and see if they can the 26's kicked off.

Are you saying they are holdbacks that are in 8th grade now or that they are in 9th grade currently? Pics from the tournament and a couple middle school yearbooks and you'd figure that out pretty quick.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well run Elite sixes event yesterday except for the outright class cheating. Counted at least 4 2026's playing for the Team 91 Drip Kings. 2 were 2026 Team 91; one was a Crabs helmet; and one was a fca helmet, which was weird because FCA had a team. I understand this team plays in the Columbia indoor lax league too. Someone should challenge the roster and see if they can the 26's kicked off.

Who ended up winning the Sixes?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well run Elite sixes event yesterday except for the outright class cheating. Counted at least 4 2026's playing for the Team 91 Drip Kings. 2 were 2026 Team 91; one was a Crabs helmet; and one was a fca helmet, which was weird because FCA had a team. I understand this team plays in the Columbia indoor lax league too. Someone should challenge the roster and see if they can the 26's kicked off.

You knew they were 26s because of the helmets they had on?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well run Elite sixes event yesterday except for the outright class cheating. Counted at least 4 2026's playing for the Team 91 Drip Kings. 2 were 2026 Team 91; one was a Crabs helmet; and one was a fca helmet, which was weird because FCA had a team. I understand this team plays in the Columbia indoor lax league too. Someone should challenge the roster and see if they can the 26's kicked off.

You knew they were 26s because of the helmets they had on?

They are all 8th graders. Sorry your son lost yesterday. Next topic

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well run Elite sixes event yesterday except for the outright class cheating. Counted at least 4 2026's playing for the Team 91 Drip Kings. 2 were 2026 Team 91; one was a Crabs helmet; and one was a fca helmet, which was weird because FCA had a team. I understand this team plays in the Columbia indoor lax league too. Someone should challenge the roster and see if they can the 26's kicked off.

Who ended up winning the Sixes?

Does anyone know who won? There were multiple undefeated teams and tourney machine doesn't show the bracket.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well run Elite sixes event yesterday except for the outright class cheating. Counted at least 4 2026's playing for the Team 91 Drip Kings. 2 were 2026 Team 91; one was a Crabs helmet; and one was a fca helmet, which was weird because FCA had a team. I understand this team plays in the Columbia indoor lax league too. Someone should challenge the roster and see if they can the 26's kicked off.

Who ended up winning the Sixes?

Does anyone know who won? There were multiple undefeated teams and tourney machine doesn't show the bracket.

Drip kings. I’m sure thats why the guy that knows 26 helmets from 27 helmets is on here complaining. He has no clue what talking about

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well run Elite sixes event yesterday except for the outright class cheating. Counted at least 4 2026's playing for the Team 91 Drip Kings. 2 were 2026 Team 91; one was a Crabs helmet; and one was a fca helmet, which was weird because FCA had a team. I understand this team plays in the Columbia indoor lax league too. Someone should challenge the roster and see if they can the 26's kicked off.

Who ended up winning the Sixes?

Does anyone know who won? There were multiple undefeated teams and tourney machine doesn't show the bracket.

Drip kings. I’m sure thats why the guy that knows 26 helmets from 27 helmets is on here complaining. He has no clue what talking about

Explain to me how the Crab #20 JK played for the Drips in the Elite 6 2027 division when he played for the 2026 Crabs HOCO this past spring. There is no hiding that he should be in high school when they post the evidence all over social media. Sure, repeating 8th grade isn't against the rules, but it's weak af.

It’s because the players inside the helmets are on 2026 rosters. Can we get the children to go do their school work.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well run Elite sixes event yesterday except for the outright class cheating. Counted at least 4 2026's playing for the Team 91 Drip Kings. 2 were 2026 Team 91; one was a Crabs helmet; and one was a fca helmet, which was weird because FCA had a team. I understand this team plays in the Columbia indoor lax league too. Someone should challenge the roster and see if they can the 26's kicked off.

Who ended up winning the Sixes?

Does anyone know who won? There were multiple undefeated teams and tourney machine doesn't show the bracket.

Drip kings. I’m sure thats why the guy that knows 26 helmets from 27 helmets is on here complaining. He has no clue what talking about

Explain to me how the Crab #20 JK played for the Drips in the Elite 6 2027 division when he played for the 2026 Crabs HOCO this past spring. There is no hiding that he should be in high school when they post the evidence all over social media. Sure, repeating 8th grade isn't against the rules, but it's weak af.

You clowns had no issue when those kids played in summer and lost! Now they won and you want to attack kids. You Should have better things to do in your life.

Even better. You are saying the Crabs player played for 27's before being held back in 8th grade. You just outed him and the team. Another reason to verify current class at a very minimum.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You clowns had no issue when those kids played in summer and lost! Now they won and you want to attack kids. You Should have better things to do in your life.

I detest the holdback culture but I agree with this hot take. Lampoon the parents who made this decision for the kid, please. Please don't stop lampooning them. Because it's hilarious.

But Not the kid. What does a 14 year old know about the world, or good decisions in general? He's doing what a coach and his dad said was a good idea. Stop calling out kids by name and number.

No one is attacking the kids. I’m assuming people are just trying to see if they reclassed.

Some of these parents need to get a life. Going on social media and talking about a child. Get a life. Seriously. You must realize you just sound so pathetic. And if you don’t think so. Why don’t you tell us your name and who your child is and what team the play on. Oh right. Like that’s happening. Get a life!! It’s a kid’s sport!

I wasn't aware I needed to watch every single lacrosse game before noticing if a family plays their kid down before entering that class. I guess if you get away with it once, it should be allowed all the time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some of these parents need to get a life. Going on social media and talking about a child. Get a life. Seriously. You must realize you just sound so pathetic. And if you don’t think so. Why don’t you tell us your name and who your child is and what team the play on. Oh right. Like that’s happening. Get a life!! It’s a kid’s sport!

If the young man and his parents don't want to be called out for holding back they might want to stop posting highlights of him pulling an Air Gate on IG and then tagging his PUBLIC IG page where he has posts up of him playing with the 2026 Crabs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I wasn't aware I needed to watch every single lacrosse game before noticing if a family plays their kid down before entering that class. I guess if you get away with it once, it should be allowed all the time.

In case your kids haven't played the teams made up of New England boarding school kids, this is somehow culturally accepted up there, as they crow about "on age." A solid number of them play down a year "anticipating" a future 8th grade holdback or post-grad year that hasn't happened yet.

I'm not against holdbacks at all. But I find it hilarious that the parents (New England boarding school pre-holdback, PA "late start," or MIAA holdback) are ashamed of their own decision and are quick to lie about it or change the subject so they don't have to tell an outright lie. If your son attends an MIAA middle school, the kids talk and will tell their friends they are a single or double holdback.

And for every club who lies to you about "developing kids," watch them put the holdbacks on the roster.

And get used to it, if you haven't already.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well run Elite sixes event yesterday except for the outright class cheating. Counted at least 4 2026's playing for the Team 91 Drip Kings. 2 were 2026 Team 91; one was a Crabs helmet; and one was a fca helmet, which was weird because FCA had a team. I understand this team plays in the Columbia indoor lax league too. Someone should challenge the roster and see if they can the 26's kicked off.

Who ended up winning the Sixes?

Does anyone know who won? There were multiple undefeated teams and tourney machine doesn't show the bracket.

Drip kings. I’m sure thats why the guy that knows 26 helmets from 27 helmets is on here complaining. He has no clue what talking about

Explain to me how the Crab #20 JK played for the Drips in the Elite 6 2027 division when he played for the 2026 Crabs HOCO this past spring. There is no hiding that he should be in high school when they post the evidence all over social media. Sure, repeating 8th grade isn't against the rules, but it's weak af.

You clowns had no issue when those kids played in summer and lost! Now they won and you want to attack kids. You Should have better things to do in your life.

It's one thing to play against a bunch of other holdbacks in the top divisions in the top tournaments over the summer. It's another thing to enter a small Sixes tournament with a all star team, dunk on kids a year or two younger than you that play for AA level hoco teams, and then brag about it on social media. It's funny when the families of these holdbacks start crying when they get called out. "Oh my god, stop attacking the children!". Note to parents, if you are going to hold back your Son for lacrosse, you might want to scrub your social media accounts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some of these parents need to get a life. Going on social media and talking about a child. Get a life. Seriously. You must realize you just sound so pathetic. And if you don’t think so. Why don’t you tell us your name and who your child is and what team the play on. Oh right. Like that’s happening. Get a life!! It’s a kid’s sport!

If the young man and his parents don't want to be called out for holding back they might want to stop posting highlights of him pulling an Air Gate on IG and then tagging his PUBLIC IG page where he has posts up of him playing with the 2026 Crabs.

He’s on 27 crabs team in 8th grade . Get over it . Wish knew who your clowns are talking [Censored] on a kid

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Howard County Lacrosse League has come out of their fall meeting. They decided to eliminate eligibility for all birthdays prior to Jan 1, 2008 in the 2027 division and all corresponding divisions below with the Jan 1 date. This decision was based largely on the polling by USCL, the recent article by Inside Lacrosse and the overwhelming sentiment to put an age ceiling on their divisions.

I wouldn't believe anything said on BOTC unless it's in writing, which it is not. The new 2023 bylaws mention nothing of age requirements. But have fun arguing about it.

https://www.ghclacrosse.com/rules

Totally agree with that. The three most powerful entities in lacrosse are the club programs, prep schools and college programs. I don’t believe any of them have an interest in seeing age restrictions put in place.

That is exactly the truth... Top Clubs want holdbacks to be above the rest, Privates want Holdbacks to be better than the rest, And colleges wabt older players

HOCO league is the reason grade based exploded years ago. Main reason was guy running had son in MIAA .Kid is gone as is he, Wonder if they care as much now

HoCo is not the reason grade based exploded.

People just make up anything.n

You obviously have zero clue how grade based started in MD . MD in youth was age based up until about 8/9 years ago when HOCO decided to start a lacrosse league. Nothing to do with early recruiting. ZERO . HOCO and one of their Directors decided to go grade base league instead of age based league like EVERY other league in Howard County was at the time and probably still are. Of course most didnt know that his child was a holdback in private school. The Crabs along with a couple other clubs loved it as they would have most of holdbacks from their MIAA contacts. The MYLA in their complete failure teamed up with them at first, thinking that clubs ( originally for summer ) would play on Sunday while all the MYLA teams with same players played on Saturday and weekday. Now that was a mistake as MYLA was nothing of itself within two years. Howard County Recreation gave Clubs the outlet to play Grade base and the Clubs ran with it. There was NO place to play grade base YOUTH lacrosse until these HOCO low moral people started one. The rest as they say is History

Howard County Recreation should go down in the Lacrosse Hall of Shame for what they started. If the league would have been age based to start, it still would be. Early Recruiting was always the lousy excuse to give them a pass as time went along, which ER was ZERO consideration at first.

Are you a HOCO person? Next time you want to comment on HOCO maybe ask around . Now they do run a good league with taxpayer funded fields and employees.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some of these parents need to get a life. Going on social media and talking about a child. Get a life. Seriously. You must realize you just sound so pathetic. And if you don’t think so. Why don’t you tell us your name and who your child is and what team the play on. Oh right. Like that’s happening. Get a life!! It’s a kid’s sport!

If the young man and his parents don't want to be called out for holding back they might want to stop posting highlights of him pulling an Air Gate on IG and then tagging his PUBLIC IG page where he has posts up of him playing with the 2026 Crabs.

Good job inspector gadget! Glad to see you have nothing better to do. Stalking a kids IG page. Bet your kid is so proud of you

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Howard County Lacrosse League has come out of their fall meeting. They decided to eliminate eligibility for all birthdays prior to Jan 1, 2008 in the 2027 division and all corresponding divisions below with the Jan 1 date. This decision was based largely on the polling by USCL, the recent article by Inside Lacrosse and the overwhelming sentiment to put an age ceiling on their divisions.

I wouldn't believe anything said on BOTC unless it's in writing, which it is not. The new 2023 bylaws mention nothing of age requirements. But have fun arguing about it.

https://www.ghclacrosse.com/rules

Totally agree with that. The three most powerful entities in lacrosse are the club programs, prep schools and college programs. I don’t believe any of them have an interest in seeing age restrictions put in place.

That is exactly the truth... Top Clubs want holdbacks to be above the rest, Privates want Holdbacks to be better than the rest, And colleges wabt older players

HOCO league is the reason grade based exploded years ago. Main reason was guy running had son in MIAA .Kid is gone as is he, Wonder if they care as much now

HoCo is not the reason grade based exploded.

People just make up anything.n

You obviously have zero clue how grade based started in MD . MD in youth was age based up until about 8/9 years ago when HOCO decided to start a lacrosse league. Nothing to do with early recruiting. ZERO . HOCO and one of their Directors decided to go grade base league instead of age based league like EVERY other league in Howard County was at the time and probably still are. Of course most didnt know that his child was a holdback in private school. The Crabs along with a couple other clubs loved it as they would have most of holdbacks from their MIAA contacts. The MYLA in their complete failure teamed up with them at first, thinking that clubs ( originally for summer ) would play on Sunday while all the MYLA teams with same players played on Saturday and weekday. Now that was a mistake as MYLA was nothing of itself within two years. Howard County Recreation gave Clubs the outlet to play Grade base and the Clubs ran with it. There was NO place to play grade base YOUTH lacrosse until these HOCO low moral people started one. The rest as they say is History

Howard County Recreation should go down in the Lacrosse Hall of Shame for what they started. If the league would have been age based to start, it still would be. Early Recruiting was always the lousy excuse to give them a pass as time went along, which ER was ZERO consideration at first.

Are you a HOCO person? Next time you want to comment on HOCO maybe ask around . Now they do run a good league with taxpayer funded fields and employees.

You are so FOS. The old NPYLL was grade based as far back as 2010. HoCo was only following the model that was already in place. You are making stuff up to fit your false holdback narrative. You wanna whine, go whine to the parents who enable the holdback hive mindset.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some of these parents need to get a life. Going on social media and talking about a child. Get a life. Seriously. You must realize you just sound so pathetic. And if you don’t think so. Why don’t you tell us your name and who your child is and what team the play on. Oh right. Like that’s happening. Get a life!! It’s a kid’s sport!

If the young man and his parents don't want to be called out for holding back they might want to stop posting highlights of him pulling an Air Gate on IG and then tagging his PUBLIC IG page where he has posts up of him playing with the 2026 Crabs.

Good job inspector gadget! Glad to see you have nothing better to do. Stalking a kids IG page. Bet your kid is so proud of you

Ok, Inspector Gadget is kinda funny, but no one is stalking anyone. The Crabs are promoting this kid on their feed and it only takes one click to see he's a holdback. Nice try at deflecting, but it's not working.

Enough pot stirring for the day, back to work...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Howard County Lacrosse League has come out of their fall meeting. They decided to eliminate eligibility for all birthdays prior to Jan 1, 2008 in the 2027 division and all corresponding divisions below with the Jan 1 date. This decision was based largely on the polling by USCL, the recent article by Inside Lacrosse and the overwhelming sentiment to put an age ceiling on their divisions.

I wouldn't believe anything said on BOTC unless it's in writing, which it is not. The new 2023 bylaws mention nothing of age requirements. But have fun arguing about it.

https://www.ghclacrosse.com/rules

Totally agree with that. The three most powerful entities in lacrosse are the club programs, prep schools and college programs. I don’t believe any of them have an interest in seeing age restrictions put in place.

That is exactly the truth... Top Clubs want holdbacks to be above the rest, Privates want Holdbacks to be better than the rest, And colleges wabt older players

HOCO league is the reason grade based exploded years ago. Main reason was guy running had son in MIAA .Kid is gone as is he, Wonder if they care as much now

HoCo is not the reason grade based exploded.

People just make up anything.n

You obviously have zero clue how grade based started in MD . MD in youth was age based up until about 8/9 years ago when HOCO decided to start a lacrosse league. Nothing to do with early recruiting. ZERO . HOCO and one of their Directors decided to go grade base league instead of age based league like EVERY other league in Howard County was at the time and probably still are. Of course most didnt know that his child was a holdback in private school. The Crabs along with a couple other clubs loved it as they would have most of holdbacks from their MIAA contacts. The MYLA in their complete failure teamed up with them at first, thinking that clubs ( originally for summer ) would play on Sunday while all the MYLA teams with same players played on Saturday and weekday. Now that was a mistake as MYLA was nothing of itself within two years. Howard County Recreation gave Clubs the outlet to play Grade base and the Clubs ran with it. There was NO place to play grade base YOUTH lacrosse until these HOCO low moral people started one. The rest as they say is History

Howard County Recreation should go down in the Lacrosse Hall of Shame for what they started. If the league would have been age based to start, it still would be. Early Recruiting was always the lousy excuse to give them a pass as time went along, which ER was ZERO consideration at first.

Are you a HOCO person? Next time you want to comment on HOCO maybe ask around . Now they do run a good league with taxpayer funded fields and employees.

You are so FOS. The old NPYLL was grade based as far back as 2010. HoCo was only following the model that was already in place. You are making stuff up to fit your false holdback narrative. You wanna whine, go whine to the parents who enable the holdback hive mindset.

Sorry Holdback apologist and possibly HOCO employee. I guess you really are looking for holdback excuses for the low moral people who were one of biggest reasons for this grade based YOUTH league. . NPYLL was NOT grade based , You are full of it and a big excuse maker. It was only supposably Grade based for ONE year at the very end. It was a U13, U15 league for years and then for a few they expanded with more U's except last year . And even the last year, it was unclear of age restrictions as many clubs went by age for grade, noe Holdback. Many Clubs were against it from start, but once again Crabs, etc loved it and piled on all their Prefirsts . I know all this as my younger son's played for years until NPYLL's end and then one went to HOCO to play.

Sorry HOCO Holdback apologist, it is what it is. Spin away with your supposed knowledge. LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Howard County Lacrosse League has come out of their fall meeting. They decided to eliminate eligibility for all birthdays prior to Jan 1, 2008 in the 2027 division and all corresponding divisions below with the Jan 1 date. This decision was based largely on the polling by USCL, the recent article by Inside Lacrosse and the overwhelming sentiment to put an age ceiling on their divisions.

I wouldn't believe anything said on BOTC unless it's in writing, which it is not. The new 2023 bylaws mention nothing of age requirements. But have fun arguing about it.

https://www.ghclacrosse.com/rules

Totally agree with that. The three most powerful entities in lacrosse are the club programs, prep schools and college programs. I don’t believe any of them have an interest in seeing age restrictions put in place.

That is exactly the truth... Top Clubs want holdbacks to be above the rest, Privates want Holdbacks to be better than the rest, And colleges wabt older players

HOCO league is the reason grade based exploded years ago. Main reason was guy running had son in MIAA .Kid is gone as is he, Wonder if they care as much now

HoCo is not the reason grade based exploded.

People just make up anything.n

You obviously have zero clue how grade based started in MD . MD in youth was age based up until about 8/9 years ago when HOCO decided to start a lacrosse league. Nothing to do with early recruiting. ZERO . HOCO and one of their Directors decided to go grade base league instead of age based league like EVERY other league in Howard County was at the time and probably still are. Of course most didnt know that his child was a holdback in private school. The Crabs along with a couple other clubs loved it as they would have most of holdbacks from their MIAA contacts. The MYLA in their complete failure teamed up with them at first, thinking that clubs ( originally for summer ) would play on Sunday while all the MYLA teams with same players played on Saturday and weekday. Now that was a mistake as MYLA was nothing of itself within two years. Howard County Recreation gave Clubs the outlet to play Grade base and the Clubs ran with it. There was NO place to play grade base YOUTH lacrosse until these HOCO low moral people started one. The rest as they say is History

Howard County Recreation should go down in the Lacrosse Hall of Shame for what they started. If the league would have been age based to start, it still would be. Early Recruiting was always the lousy excuse to give them a pass as time went along, which ER was ZERO consideration at first.

Are you a HOCO person? Next time you want to comment on HOCO maybe ask around . Now they do run a good league with taxpayer funded fields and employees.

You are so FOS. The old NPYLL was grade based as far back as 2010. HoCo was only following the model that was already in place. You are making stuff up to fit your false holdback narrative. You wanna whine, go whine to the parents who enable the holdback hive mindset.

Sorry Holdback apologist and possibly HOCO employee. I guess you really are looking for holdback excuses for the low moral people who were one of biggest reasons for this grade based YOUTH league. . NPYLL was NOT grade based , You are full of it and a big excuse maker. It was only supposably Grade based for ONE year at the very end. It was a U13, U15 league for years and then for a few they expanded with more U's except last year . And even the last year, it was unclear of age restrictions as many clubs went by age for grade, noe Holdback. Many Clubs were against it from start, but once again Crabs, etc loved it and piled on all their Prefirsts . I know all this as my younger son's played for years until NPYLL's end and then one went to HOCO to play.

Sorry HOCO Holdback apologist, it is what it is. Spin away with your supposed knowledge. LOL

Buwwwaaaaahhhhhhhhh!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some of these parents need to get a life. Going on social media and talking about a child. Get a life. Seriously. You must realize you just sound so pathetic. And if you don’t think so. Why don’t you tell us your name and who your child is and what team the play on. Oh right. Like that’s happening. Get a life!! It’s a kid’s sport!

If the young man and his parents don't want to be called out for holding back they might want to stop posting highlights of him pulling an Air Gate on IG and then tagging his PUBLIC IG page where he has posts up of him playing with the 2026 Crabs.

Good job inspector gadget! Glad to see you have nothing better to do. Stalking a kids IG page. Bet your kid is so proud of you

Ok, Inspector Gadget is kinda funny, but no one is stalking anyone. The Crabs are promoting this kid on their feed and it only takes one click to see he's a holdback. Nice try at deflecting, but it's not working.

Enough pot stirring for the day, back to work...

if I had known the whole "4 cheaters in Elite 6" was just another holdback rant I would have unsubscribed then

Curious . . . when did the summer tourneys convert to grade based . . . or were they always that way?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some of these parents need to get a life. Going on social media and talking about a child. Get a life. Seriously. You must realize you just sound so pathetic. And if you don’t think so. Why don’t you tell us your name and who your child is and what team the play on. Oh right. Like that’s happening. Get a life!! It’s a kid’s sport!

If the young man and his parents don't want to be called out for holding back they might want to stop posting highlights of him pulling an Air Gate on IG and then tagging his PUBLIC IG page where he has posts up of him playing with the 2026 Crabs.

He’s on 27 crabs team in 8th grade . Get over it . Wish knew who your clowns are talking [Censored] on a kid

What grade was he in this past Spring 2022? Who's talking [Censored]? If he is a reclass and people are shedding light on that what's the issue?

I'm not a holdback guy myself, but I don't understand the issue with the Crabs player. I think the facts are as follows:

He played on 2026 crabs last year.

He repeated 8th grade starting this fall and now is on the 2027 Crabs.

He played in an off-season gimmicky tournament with his 2027 team and they won the event. woo hoo.

He and/or his families posted his highlights on social media.

what is the big deal with any of this? Every class from 2027 and up in all good programs, especially Crabs, is full of holdbacks, 2028's are catching up too. Why is there an issue with this player?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm not a holdback guy myself, but I don't understand the issue with the Crabs player. I think the facts are as follows:

He played on 2026 crabs last year.

He repeated 8th grade starting this fall and now is on the 2027 Crabs.

He played in an off-season gimmicky tournament with his 2027 team and they won the event. woo hoo.

He and/or his families posted his highlights on social media.

what is the big deal with any of this? Every class from 2027 and up in all good programs, especially Crabs, is full of holdbacks, 2028's are catching up too. Why is there an issue with this player?

And how many of the other teams had no players born before 9/1/2008? My guess is 0.

How lame.

Play down and brag about it on social media.

Here's hoping the big guy can finally master Algebra 1.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious . . . when did the summer tourneys convert to grade based . . . or were they always that way?

There's few if any tournaments enforcing non grade based.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm not a holdback guy myself, but I don't understand the issue with the Crabs player. I think the facts are as follows:

He played on 2026 crabs last year.

He repeated 8th grade starting this fall and now is on the 2027 Crabs.

He played in an off-season gimmicky tournament with his 2027 team and they won the event. woo hoo.

He and/or his families posted his highlights on social media.

what is the big deal with any of this? Every class from 2027 and up in all good programs, especially Crabs, is full of holdbacks, 2028's are catching up too. Why is there an issue with this player?

What about the other 3 26’s on the roster? Unless they were just held back too. It’s the forming of a cheating roster and then gloating about it on the field and on the sidelines. Btw the crabs kid still won’t be nearly the best player in hoco.

Social media stalking of a middle schooler. Using "supposably" in a deranged, conspiracy-laden rant about a county-run youth sports league. I'm convinced this thread is a really clever punking by a joint team of bored script writers for True Detective and Parks and Recreation.

(If it is, well done! I'd so binge watch the series)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm not a holdback guy myself, but I don't understand the issue with the Crabs player. I think the facts are as follows:

He played on 2026 crabs last year.

He repeated 8th grade starting this fall and now is on the 2027 Crabs.

He played in an off-season gimmicky tournament with his 2027 team and they won the event. woo hoo.

He and/or his families posted his highlights on social media.

what is the big deal with any of this? Every class from 2027 and up in all good programs, especially Crabs, is full of holdbacks, 2028's are catching up too. Why is there an issue with this player?

What about the other 3 26’s on the roster? Unless they were just held back too. It’s the forming of a cheating roster and then gloating about it on the field and on the sidelines. Btw the crabs kid still won’t be nearly the best player in hoco.

Where’s the receipts? All those kids are 27’s. I’m guessing this is just a fluffy bunny (team Maryland ) parent upset about championship game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm not a holdback guy myself, but I don't understand the issue with the Crabs player. I think the facts are as follows:

He played on 2026 crabs last year.

He repeated 8th grade starting this fall and now is on the 2027 Crabs.

He played in an off-season gimmicky tournament with his 2027 team and they won the event. woo hoo.

He and/or his families posted his highlights on social media.

what is the big deal with any of this? Every class from 2027 and up in all good programs, especially Crabs, is full of holdbacks, 2028's are catching up too. Why is there an issue with this player?

He has been playing down on both FCA 2027 and Crabs 2027 for years when his younger brother was on those teams (his younger brother was playing up) so this is nothing new.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Howard County Lacrosse League has come out of their fall meeting. They decided to eliminate eligibility for all birthdays prior to Jan 1, 2008 in the 2027 division and all corresponding divisions below with the Jan 1 date. This decision was based largely on the polling by USCL, the recent article by Inside Lacrosse and the overwhelming sentiment to put an age ceiling on their divisions.

I wouldn't believe anything said on BOTC unless it's in writing, which it is not. The new 2023 bylaws mention nothing of age requirements. But have fun arguing about it.

https://www.ghclacrosse.com/rules

Totally agree with that. The three most powerful entities in lacrosse are the club programs, prep schools and college programs. I don’t believe any of them have an interest in seeing age restrictions put in place.

That is exactly the truth... Top Clubs want holdbacks to be above the rest, Privates want Holdbacks to be better than the rest, And colleges wabt older players

HOCO league is the reason grade based exploded years ago. Main reason was guy running had son in MIAA .Kid is gone as is he, Wonder if they care as much now

HoCo is not the reason grade based exploded.

People just make up anything.n

You obviously have zero clue how grade based started in MD . MD in youth was age based up until about 8/9 years ago when HOCO decided to start a lacrosse league. Nothing to do with early recruiting. ZERO . HOCO and one of their Directors decided to go grade base league instead of age based league like EVERY other league in Howard County was at the time and probably still are. Of course most didnt know that his child was a holdback in private school. The Crabs along with a couple other clubs loved it as they would have most of holdbacks from their MIAA contacts. The MYLA in their complete failure teamed up with them at first, thinking that clubs ( originally for summer ) would play on Sunday while all the MYLA teams with same players played on Saturday and weekday. Now that was a mistake as MYLA was nothing of itself within two years. Howard County Recreation gave Clubs the outlet to play Grade base and the Clubs ran with it. There was NO place to play grade base YOUTH lacrosse until these HOCO low moral people started one. The rest as they say is History

Howard County Recreation should go down in the Lacrosse Hall of Shame for what they started. If the league would have been age based to start, it still would be. Early Recruiting was always the lousy excuse to give them a pass as time went along, which ER was ZERO consideration at first.

Are you a HOCO person? Next time you want to comment on HOCO maybe ask around . Now they do run a good league with taxpayer funded fields and employees.

You are so FOS. The old NPYLL was grade based as far back as 2010. HoCo was only following the model that was already in place. You are making stuff up to fit your false holdback narrative. You wanna whine, go whine to the parents who enable the holdback hive mindset.

Sorry Holdback apologist and possibly HOCO employee. I guess you really are looking for holdback excuses for the low moral people who were one of biggest reasons for this grade based YOUTH league. . NPYLL was NOT grade based , You are full of it and a big excuse maker. It was only supposably Grade based for ONE year at the very end. It was a U13, U15 league for years and then for a few they expanded with more U's except last year . And even the last year, it was unclear of age restrictions as many clubs went by age for grade, noe Holdback. Many Clubs were against it from start, but once again Crabs, etc loved it and piled on all their Prefirsts . I know all this as my younger son's played for years until NPYLL's end and then one went to HOCO to play.

Sorry HOCO Holdback apologist, it is what it is. Spin away with your supposed knowledge. LOL

Do you rip the band-aid off or do you slowly pull on it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well run Elite sixes event yesterday except for the outright class cheating. Counted at least 4 2026's playing for the Team 91 Drip Kings. 2 were 2026 Team 91; one was a Crabs helmet; and one was a fca helmet, which was weird because FCA had a team. I understand this team plays in the Columbia indoor lax league too. Someone should challenge the roster and see if they can the 26's kicked off.

Who ended up winning the Sixes?

Does anyone know who won? There were multiple undefeated teams and tourney machine doesn't show the bracket.

Drip kings. I’m sure thats why the guy that knows 26 helmets from 27 helmets is on here complaining. He has no clue what talking about

Standings before Championship:

W L GF GA GD
Fluffy Bunnies 3 0 61 26 35
Baltimore County Drip Kings 3 0 61 37 24
Gladiators 3 0 38 31 7
Cobra Kai Venom 2 1 55 21 34
Team Melon 2 1 45 30 15
IndieLax 2 1 40 33 7
Saints 2 1 24 19 5
Eighteen National 2 1 40 44 -4
Hammers 1 2 38 25 13
True Baltimore 1 2 34 38 -4
Knuckleheads 0 3 44 61 -17
Full Tilt 0 3 25 49 -24
Tridents Lacrosse Club 0 3 24 60 -36
Baltimore Lacrosse Club 0 3 12 67 -55

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well run Elite sixes event yesterday except for the outright class cheating. Counted at least 4 2026's playing for the Team 91 Drip Kings. 2 were 2026 Team 91; one was a Crabs helmet; and one was a fca helmet, which was weird because FCA had a team. I understand this team plays in the Columbia indoor lax league too. Someone should challenge the roster and see if they can the 26's kicked off.

Who ended up winning the Sixes?

Does anyone know who won? There were multiple undefeated teams and tourney machine doesn't show the bracket.

Drip kings. I’m sure thats why the guy that knows 26 helmets from 27 helmets is on here complaining. He has no clue what talking about

Standings before Championship:

W L GF GA GD
Fluffy Bunnies 3 0 61 26 35
Baltimore County Drip Kings 3 0 61 37 24
Gladiators 3 0 38 31 7
Cobra Kai Venom 2 1 55 21 34
Team Melon 2 1 45 30 15
IndieLax 2 1 40 33 7
Saints 2 1 24 19 5
Eighteen National 2 1 40 44 -4
Hammers 1 2 38 25 13
True Baltimore 1 2 34 38 -4
Knuckleheads 0 3 44 61 -17
Full Tilt 0 3 25 49 -24
Tridents Lacrosse Club 0 3 24 60 -36
Baltimore Lacrosse Club 0 3 12 67 -55

Whats the point Mr I have nothing better to do with my time? Also what was the championship final score?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well run Elite sixes event yesterday except for the outright class cheating. Counted at least 4 2026's playing for the Team 91 Drip Kings. 2 were 2026 Team 91; one was a Crabs helmet; and one was a fca helmet, which was weird because FCA had a team. I understand this team plays in the Columbia indoor lax league too. Someone should challenge the roster and see if they can the 26's kicked off.

Who ended up winning the Sixes?

Does anyone know who won? There were multiple undefeated teams and tourney machine doesn't show the bracket.

Drip kings. I’m sure thats why the guy that knows 26 helmets from 27 helmets is on here complaining. He has no clue what talking about

Standings before Championship:

W L GF GA GD
Fluffy Bunnies 3 0 61 26 35
Baltimore County Drip Kings 3 0 61 37 24
Gladiators 3 0 38 31 7
Cobra Kai Venom 2 1 55 21 34
Team Melon 2 1 45 30 15
IndieLax 2 1 40 33 7
Saints 2 1 24 19 5
Eighteen National 2 1 40 44 -4
Hammers 1 2 38 25 13
True Baltimore 1 2 34 38 -4
Knuckleheads 0 3 44 61 -17
Full Tilt 0 3 25 49 -24
Tridents Lacrosse Club 0 3 24 60 -36
Baltimore Lacrosse Club 0 3 12 67 -55

Ha, Fluffy Bunnies played the bottom 3 teams. How bad did they get beat by the Drip Kings.

This was an off season tournament with a quirky format, makeshift rosters, eligibility cheating, silly team names, and Dads in dense shoes acting like Karens - why does anybody care who won?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm not a holdback guy myself, but I don't understand the issue with the Crabs player. I think the facts are as follows:

He played on 2026 crabs last year.

He repeated 8th grade starting this fall and now is on the 2027 Crabs.

He played in an off-season gimmicky tournament with his 2027 team and they won the event. woo hoo.

He and/or his families posted his highlights on social media.

what is the big deal with any of this? Every class from 2027 and up in all good programs, especially Crabs, is full of holdbacks, 2028's are catching up too. Why is there an issue with this player?

I think the issue may be no one likes a cheater.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm not a holdback guy myself, but I don't understand the issue with the Crabs player. I think the facts are as follows:

He played on 2026 crabs last year.

He repeated 8th grade starting this fall and now is on the 2027 Crabs.

He played in an off-season gimmicky tournament with his 2027 team and they won the event. woo hoo.

He and/or his families posted his highlights on social media.

what is the big deal with any of this? Every class from 2027 and up in all good programs, especially Crabs, is full of holdbacks, 2028's are catching up too. Why is there an issue with this player?

I think the issue may be no one likes a cheater.

Except that it's not cheating. The kid is currently enrolled in 8th grade - that's the only applicable rule. And which team(s) can you confirm are all entirely on-age?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm not a holdback guy myself, but I don't understand the issue with the Crabs player. I think the facts are as follows:

He played on 2026 crabs last year.

He repeated 8th grade starting this fall and now is on the 2027 Crabs.

He played in an off-season gimmicky tournament with his 2027 team and they won the event. woo hoo.

He and/or his families posted his highlights on social media.

what is the big deal with any of this? Every class from 2027 and up in all good programs, especially Crabs, is full of holdbacks, 2028's are catching up too. Why is there an issue with this player?

I think the issue may be no one likes a cheater.

Except that it's not cheating. The kid is currently enrolled in 8th grade - that's the only applicable rule. And which team(s) can you confirm are all entirely on-age?

If an older kid is playing younger kids - its cheating. The rules are wrong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm not a holdback guy myself, but I don't understand the issue with the Crabs player. I think the facts are as follows:

He played on 2026 crabs last year.

He repeated 8th grade starting this fall and now is on the 2027 Crabs.

He played in an off-season gimmicky tournament with his 2027 team and they won the event. woo hoo.

He and/or his families posted his highlights on social media.

what is the big deal with any of this? Every class from 2027 and up in all good programs, especially Crabs, is full of holdbacks, 2028's are catching up too. Why is there an issue with this player?

I think the issue may be no one likes a cheater.

Except that it's not cheating. The kid is currently enrolled in 8th grade - that's the only applicable rule. And which team(s) can you confirm are all entirely on-age?

If an older kid is playing younger kids - its cheating. The rules are wrong.

No it’s not. Just because you say it doesn’t make it so.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm not a holdback guy myself, but I don't understand the issue with the Crabs player. I think the facts are as follows:

He played on 2026 crabs last year.

He repeated 8th grade starting this fall and now is on the 2027 Crabs.

He played in an off-season gimmicky tournament with his 2027 team and they won the event. woo hoo.

He and/or his families posted his highlights on social media.

what is the big deal with any of this? Every class from 2027 and up in all good programs, especially Crabs, is full of holdbacks, 2028's are catching up too. Why is there an issue with this player?

I think the issue may be no one likes a cheater.

Except that it's not cheating. The kid is currently enrolled in 8th grade - that's the only applicable rule. And which team(s) can you confirm are all entirely on-age?

If an older kid is playing younger kids - its cheating. The rules are wrong.

Once you determine which teams were entirely on-age you should announce the real winner of the tournament.

Verify class and none of this thread happens.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm not a holdback guy myself, but I don't understand the issue with the Crabs player. I think the facts are as follows:

He played on 2026 crabs last year.

He repeated 8th grade starting this fall and now is on the 2027 Crabs.

He played in an off-season gimmicky tournament with his 2027 team and they won the event. woo hoo.

He and/or his families posted his highlights on social media.

what is the big deal with any of this? Every class from 2027 and up in all good programs, especially Crabs, is full of holdbacks, 2028's are catching up too. Why is there an issue with this player?

I think the issue may be no one likes a cheater.

Except that it's not cheating. The kid is currently enrolled in 8th grade - that's the only applicable rule. And which team(s) can you confirm are all entirely on-age?

If an older kid is playing younger kids - its cheating. The rules are wrong.

No it’s not. Just because you say it doesn’t make it so.

I think I can explain what is going on here for those that are confused....

- Drip Kings are an "All Star" team consisting of players from the Elite Division of HOCO.

- They have at least one confirmed holdback on the team (Crabs kid) but probably more. They are in 8th grade. Someone is accusing them of being in 9th grade, which if true is fool, but probably not true. They are technically within the "rules". Which is kind of a cluster because in reality there are no rules in regards to age/grade in youth lacrosse. It's up to each tournament and league to make their own rules. The only org close to a governing body is US lacrosse and they have zero power to mandate anything to anyone.

- Drip Kings have been flying under the radar this summer because they have been entering tournaments that are full of teams with holdbacks so those parents are used to it and somewhat tolerate it if it means that their team is winning with those holdbacks. These teams are the ones that play in Elite HOCO and consist mostly of private school boys.

- The Drip Kings are playing down in the MMILL which consists of AA and AAA teams (Kelly Post, Breakers, Sidewinders) who are mostly public school non holdback boys.

- They entered a Sixes tournament where half of the teams are A-AA level teams with close to zero holdbacks, But probably a summer birthday or two that are pre-first kids, not kids repeating 8th grade for sports reasons.

- The A-AAA teams are pissed because these guys decided to play down against on age kids (well.... mostly on age and most certainly no where near the number of holdback/reclass kids up in the Elite level teams).

- Someone decided to out the Crab kid by number and initials when they posted a vid of him dunking on Team MD Red, which got all the lax Mom's clutching their pearls and crying "they are only children!"

- All the holdback apologists claim they aren't breaking the rules. Everyone else is fed up with them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm not a holdback guy myself, but I don't understand the issue with the Crabs player. I think the facts are as follows:

He played on 2026 crabs last year.

He repeated 8th grade starting this fall and now is on the 2027 Crabs.

He played in an off-season gimmicky tournament with his 2027 team and they won the event. woo hoo.

He and/or his families posted his highlights on social media.

what is the big deal with any of this? Every class from 2027 and up in all good programs, especially Crabs, is full of holdbacks, 2028's are catching up too. Why is there an issue with this player?

I think the issue may be no one likes a cheater.

Except that it's not cheating. The kid is currently enrolled in 8th grade - that's the only applicable rule. And which team(s) can you confirm are all entirely on-age?

If an older kid is playing younger kids - its cheating. The rules are wrong.

Where I come from, Northern Virginia, rec lacrosse is age based, but all the divisions consist of two year age bands. Every game has players up to twenty-four months apart going against each other, and it is completely legal. Do you think all the older kids who play under those rules are cheaters too? And even if lacrosse were age based with just one year per division, you would still have kids up to twelve months apart going against each other. If a kid with a January birthday smokes a kid with a December birthday, would you say he is a cheater?

Had no idea so many fluffy bunny (team Maryland) parents are here. It’s time to get over it and move on. Stop making excuses why you lost. Could of taken top 5 kids of drip kings still would of smoked them. Kids started shooting behind the back just to make it interesting. I think at one point they stopped keeping score.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm not a holdback guy myself, but I don't understand the issue with the Crabs player. I think the facts are as follows:

He played on 2026 crabs last year.

He repeated 8th grade starting this fall and now is on the 2027 Crabs.

He played in an off-season gimmicky tournament with his 2027 team and they won the event. woo hoo.

He and/or his families posted his highlights on social media.

what is the big deal with any of this? Every class from 2027 and up in all good programs, especially Crabs, is full of holdbacks, 2028's are catching up too. Why is there an issue with this player?

I think the issue may be no one likes a cheater.

Except that it's not cheating. The kid is currently enrolled in 8th grade - that's the only applicable rule. And which team(s) can you confirm are all entirely on-age?

If an older kid is playing younger kids - its cheating. The rules are wrong.

If that is how you feel, you should think about moving your son to a sport other than lacrosse, or moving into a lower division where there are few or no holdbacks. Seriously. Whether you like it or not, in this region of the country, starting in 7th and 8th grade, the top teams in the elite divisions (Hawks, Crabs, MadLax, 91, etc.) will have a significant percentage of their roster with birthdays before September 1 of the appropriate year. I can't tell you exactly what the percentage is, but a conservative estimate is 25%, a realistic estimate is closer to 50%, and some would say that certain teams are well over 50%. of the players who are "on age" and are truly great players, they and their families do not care about the holdback status of their teammates or opponents. They actually relish the challenge of being on the field with good players. But if having your son go against a player who is a year older bothers you to the point where you lost the ability to be rational (yes, it is irrational to call somebody a cheater because you do not like the rule they are following) you should get out of elite lacrosse, for your own sanity and for the sake of your son. You are teaching him the wrong lessons. I hope this helps.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm not a holdback guy myself, but I don't understand the issue with the Crabs player. I think the facts are as follows:

He played on 2026 crabs last year.

He repeated 8th grade starting this fall and now is on the 2027 Crabs.

He played in an off-season gimmicky tournament with his 2027 team and they won the event. woo hoo.

He and/or his families posted his highlights on social media.

what is the big deal with any of this? Every class from 2027 and up in all good programs, especially Crabs, is full of holdbacks, 2028's are catching up too. Why is there an issue with this player?

I think the issue may be no one likes a cheater.

Except that it's not cheating. The kid is currently enrolled in 8th grade - that's the only applicable rule. And which team(s) can you confirm are all entirely on-age?

If an older kid is playing younger kids - its cheating. The rules are wrong.

Once you determine which teams were entirely on-age you should announce the real winner of the tournament.

Yea, but since they are trying to shut the middle class out of lacrosse that will never happen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm not a holdback guy myself, but I don't understand the issue with the Crabs player. I think the facts are as follows:

He played on 2026 crabs last year.

He repeated 8th grade starting this fall and now is on the 2027 Crabs.

He played in an off-season gimmicky tournament with his 2027 team and they won the event. woo hoo.

He and/or his families posted his highlights on social media.

what is the big deal with any of this? Every class from 2027 and up in all good programs, especially Crabs, is full of holdbacks, 2028's are catching up too. Why is there an issue with this player?

I think the issue may be no one likes a cheater.

No, I think the issue is that some parents can't handle seeing their son's team lose a game, or their son is not the superstar that he used to be. there has to be a "reason."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If that is how you feel, you should think about moving your son to a sport other than lacrosse, or moving into a lower division where there are few or no holdbacks. Seriously. Whether you like it or not, in this region of the country, starting in 7th and 8th grade, the top teams in the elite divisions (Hawks, Crabs, MadLax, 91, etc.) will have a significant percentage of their roster with birthdays before September 1 of the appropriate year. I can't tell you exactly what the percentage is, but a conservative estimate is 25%, a realistic estimate is closer to 50%, and some would say that certain teams are well over 50%. of the players who are "on age" and are truly great players, they and their families do not care about the holdback status of their teammates or opponents. They actually relish the challenge of being on the field with good players. But if having your son go against a player who is a year older bothers you to the point where you lost the ability to be rational (yes, it is irrational to call somebody a cheater because you do not like the rule they are following) you should get out of elite lacrosse, for your own sanity and for the sake of your son. You are teaching him the wrong lessons. I hope this helps.

Totally agree with the sentiment here, but 25% is the high end. To suggest 50% of the players on the elite teams are born prior to September 1st of the appropriate year is fool.

Too many people think every 2027 kid with hair on their legs is a holdback. They're not. Some kids hit puberty before others, and those kids tend to find their way onto the elite teams because hitting puberty early gives them an advantage. It is what it is, and there's nothing nefarious about it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If that is how you feel, you should think about moving your son to a sport other than lacrosse, or moving into a lower division where there are few or no holdbacks. Seriously. Whether you like it or not, in this region of the country, starting in 7th and 8th grade, the top teams in the elite divisions (Hawks, Crabs, MadLax, 91, etc.) will have a significant percentage of their roster with birthdays before September 1 of the appropriate year. I can't tell you exactly what the percentage is, but a conservative estimate is 25%, a realistic estimate is closer to 50%, and some would say that certain teams are well over 50%. of the players who are "on age" and are truly great players, they and their families do not care about the holdback status of their teammates or opponents. They actually relish the challenge of being on the field with good players. But if having your son go against a player who is a year older bothers you to the point where you lost the ability to be rational (yes, it is irrational to call somebody a cheater because you do not like the rule they are following) you should get out of elite lacrosse, for your own sanity and for the sake of your son. You are teaching him the wrong lessons. I hope this helps.

Totally agree with the sentiment here, but 25% is the high end. To suggest 50% of the players on the elite teams are born prior to September 1st of the appropriate year is fool.

Too many people think every 2027 kid with hair on their legs is a holdback. They're not. Some kids hit puberty before others, and those kids tend to find their way onto the elite teams because hitting puberty early gives them an advantage. It is what it is, and there's nothing nefarious about it.

Thumbs up for each of these posts. I also agree the real number is lower than what people think, and most importantly not worth ruining your enjoyment over. If your kid is good, next year they'll be playing against kids 4-5 years older than them.

Stop crying Fluffy Bunnies and post the dang score.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If that is how you feel, you should think about moving your son to a sport other than lacrosse, or moving into a lower division where there are few or no holdbacks. Seriously. Whether you like it or not, in this region of the country, starting in 7th and 8th grade, the top teams in the elite divisions (Hawks, Crabs, MadLax, 91, etc.) will have a significant percentage of their roster with birthdays before September 1 of the appropriate year. I can't tell you exactly what the percentage is, but a conservative estimate is 25%, a realistic estimate is closer to 50%, and some would say that certain teams are well over 50%. of the players who are "on age" and are truly great players, they and their families do not care about the holdback status of their teammates or opponents. They actually relish the challenge of being on the field with good players. But if having your son go against a player who is a year older bothers you to the point where you lost the ability to be rational (yes, it is irrational to call somebody a cheater because you do not like the rule they are following) you should get out of elite lacrosse, for your own sanity and for the sake of your son. You are teaching him the wrong lessons. I hope this helps.

Totally agree with the sentiment here, but 25% is the high end. To suggest 50% of the players on the elite teams are born prior to September 1st of the appropriate year is fool.

Too many people think every 2027 kid with hair on their legs is a holdback. They're not. Some kids hit puberty before others, and those kids tend to find their way onto the elite teams because hitting puberty early gives them an advantage. It is what it is, and there's nothing nefarious about it.

100% wrong. Over 50% of the club teams have pre-k holdbacks. The national teams are 85% reclass / pre-k holdbacks.
US lacrosse just sent another announcement earlier this week with a change from age to grade coming as soon as January.
We'll soon see how it all shakes out and how much these teams will have to change.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

Verify class and none of this thread happens.

Not quite. I agree that tournaments should do a better job of verifying that everyone in a 2027 event is in the 2027 class in school. But folks also have a problem with a 2027 who was born before 9/1/08, so even if tournaments effectively verified class year, the thread would still be happening.

It's not hair on the legs in 8th grade, it was hair on the legs entering 7th grade. The real number is over 25% easily in the elite division. That's 6+ players out of a roster of 24. It is breaking the rules when a player who is in the class above plays in a lower class division. It happens all the time and gets caught all the time. Crabs did it last winter in AZ and I suspect 91 is doing it now. It's not next year and it's not high school yet. it's middle school and it's club with a 1 class eligibility.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If that is how you feel, you should think about moving your son to a sport other than lacrosse, or moving into a lower division where there are few or no holdbacks. Seriously. Whether you like it or not, in this region of the country, starting in 7th and 8th grade, the top teams in the elite divisions (Hawks, Crabs, MadLax, 91, etc.) will have a significant percentage of their roster with birthdays before September 1 of the appropriate year. I can't tell you exactly what the percentage is, but a conservative estimate is 25%, a realistic estimate is closer to 50%, and some would say that certain teams are well over 50%. of the players who are "on age" and are truly great players, they and their families do not care about the holdback status of their teammates or opponents. They actually relish the challenge of being on the field with good players. But if having your son go against a player who is a year older bothers you to the point where you lost the ability to be rational (yes, it is irrational to call somebody a cheater because you do not like the rule they are following) you should get out of elite lacrosse, for your own sanity and for the sake of your son. You are teaching him the wrong lessons. I hope this helps.

Totally agree with the sentiment here, but 25% is the high end. To suggest 50% of the players on the elite teams are born prior to September 1st of the appropriate year is fool.

Too many people think every 2027 kid with hair on their legs is a holdback. They're not. Some kids hit puberty before others, and those kids tend to find their way onto the elite teams because hitting puberty early gives them an advantage. It is what it is, and there's nothing nefarious about it.

Thumbs up for each of these posts. I also agree the real number is lower than what people think, and most importantly not worth ruining your enjoyment over. If your kid is good, next year they'll be playing against kids 4-5 years older than them.

Elite club rosters starting in 9th grade are different, let me assure you. Out of the starting line for 91, Crabs, FCA, Hawks, ML, etc the vast majority are holdbacks from private schools - or other sorts of "year older" kids. Are holdbacks "50% of the roster?" Probably not quite. And while you'll find holdbacks at the next level down on every.single.team (Sidewinders, Predators, Cannons etc) it's probably only 3-5 kids per team. This is what HS club lax looks like. If your son stayed with a club because of some promise of "we don't cut players" well, you'll find out what every other 9th grade parent in that situation found out.

As someone else said, either your kid is comfortable backing up those kids on an elite squad, or he's comfortable competing with non-elite holdbacks at the AA/AAA hoco equivalent level. Long story short, move past it or change sports. The true waste of time and emotional energy is to think about it too much, because until the rules change, the rules won't change.

Its well over 50%.
The rules are changing for Youth/MS.
No need to change sports to accommodate rich parents that want their kids competing against younger kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Its well over 50%.
The rules are changing for Youth/MS.
No need to change sports to accommodate rich parents that want their kids competing against younger kids.

It’s not over 50%.
Rules aren’t changing.

Continue to complain on message boards please. It’s so useful.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Its well over 50%.
The rules are changing for Youth/MS.
No need to change sports to accommodate rich parents that want their kids competing against younger kids.

It’s not over 50%.
Rules aren’t changing.

Continue to complain on message boards please. It’s so useful.

I also disagree. Marc Riccio just put it out there earlier this week. Change is coming in January for U-15.
Online arguments aside, we'll soon see how the rule change affects the current rosters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Its well over 50%.
The rules are changing for Youth/MS.
No need to change sports to accommodate rich parents that want their kids competing against younger kids.

It’s not over 50%.
Rules aren’t changing.

Continue to complain on message boards please. It’s so useful.

I also disagree. Marc Riccio just put it out there earlier this week. Change is coming in January for U-15.
Online arguments aside, we'll soon see how the rule change affects the current rosters.

GHCLC has no affiliation with US Lacrosse and just put out their 2023 rules with no changes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Its well over 50%.
The rules are changing for Youth/MS.
No need to change sports to accommodate rich parents that want their kids competing against younger kids.

It’s not over 50%.
Rules aren’t changing.

Continue to complain on message boards please. It’s so useful.

I also disagree. Marc Riccio just put it out there earlier this week. Change is coming in January for U-15.
Online arguments aside, we'll soon see how the rule change affects the current rosters.

It doesn’t actually say age classifications starts in January. It says they will introduce strategies to implement it.

It does seem like it’s going to be pushed by usa lacrosse. Can’t wait to see how they water it down to still allow the holdbacks.

It’s going to be implemented by the clubs through USL and likely an app.

Many clubs already require USL memberships for insurance purposes during tryouts. Birth data is already collected.

Birth dates will now be verified through USL each year during tryouts. One stop and done.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Can’t wait to see how they water it down to still allow the holdbacks.

Some sneaky rich person shenanigan will be allowed for sure.

USL found a way to be relevant- Be the gatekeeper for umbrella insurance and manage age verifications.
All simple and easy to do with today’s app technology.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s going to be implemented by the clubs through USL and likely an app.

Many clubs already require USL memberships for insurance purposes during tryouts. Birth data is already collected.

Birth dates will now be verified through USL each year during tryouts. One stop and done.

It's laughably easy to implement. Just make the change already with fairness and safety in mind.
Get the middle class engaged again.
Stop letting the sport be killed to accommodate parents college recruitment strategies.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s going to be implemented by the clubs through USL and likely an app.

Many clubs already require USL memberships for insurance purposes during tryouts. Birth data is already collected.

Birth dates will now be verified through USL each year during tryouts. One stop and done.

It's laughably easy to implement. Just make the change already with fairness and safety in mind.
Get the middle class engaged again.
Stop letting the sport be killed to accommodate parents college recruitment strategies.

What’s the deal with the middle class? Do you think aged based will make club dues cheaper?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s going to be implemented by the clubs through USL and likely an app.

Many clubs already require USL memberships for insurance purposes during tryouts. Birth data is already collected.

Birth dates will now be verified through USL each year during tryouts. One stop and done.

It's laughably easy to implement. Just make the change already with fairness and safety in mind.
Get the middle class engaged again.
Stop letting the sport be killed to accommodate parents college recruitment strategies.

What’s the deal with the middle class? Do you think aged based will make club dues cheaper?

No.
The public school kids cant pre-k/reclass - the private school kids can and do.
Paul Rabil addresses the lack of MC support/viewership from the PLL in a recent podcast.
The aim is to change the perception of lacrosse and attract MC support.
You can't win them over when rich private school parents manage the rules at the youth level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No.
The public school kids cant pre-k/reclass - the private school kids can and do.
Paul Rabil addresses the lack of MC support/viewership from the PLL in a recent podcast.
The aim is to change the perception of lacrosse and attract MC support.
You can't win them over when rich private school parents manage the rules at the youth level.

Pardon my ignorance, but why can't public school kids reclass or start kindergarten on the later side?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No.
The public school kids cant pre-k/reclass - the private school kids can and do.
Paul Rabil addresses the lack of MC support/viewership from the PLL in a recent podcast.
The aim is to change the perception of lacrosse and attract MC support.
You can't win them over when rich private school parents manage the rules at the youth level.

Pardon my ignorance, but why can't public school kids reclass or start kindergarten on the later side?

Many public school kids (particularly boys) start kindergarten late. Public schools won't allow a student to repeat a grade that they successfully completed. Private schools will gladly take the parents money for another year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No.
The public school kids cant pre-k/reclass - the private school kids can and do.
Paul Rabil addresses the lack of MC support/viewership from the PLL in a recent podcast.
The aim is to change the perception of lacrosse and attract MC support.
You can't win them over when rich private school parents manage the rules at the youth level.

Pardon my ignorance, but why can't public school kids reclass or start kindergarten on the later side?

They can. Most of the elite public school laxxers from PA (if you haven't seen yet, you'll see soon) took advantage of the PA law that you don't have to enter public school until age 7. Which I'm fine with, except their parents act offended if you infer their kid is a holdback/reclass. Even though you've all seen all the kids' birthdays on various rosters.

It is very difficult in the public school system to justify (and get the paperwork straight) for a kid to not advance to 1st, 7th, or 9th grade when he was successful in the prior grade. Public schools are graded by state and federal regulators on advancement rates.

Even in the MIAA schools it's not always simple. One elite lax parent, let's call him Bark Billen, a fictional name, tried to hold back his very talented athlete son at one school, let's call it, Paint Saul's. The kid was a great athlete and a straight A student, and the school said no.....because it made no sense. So, Bark Billen's son took a 2nd 8th grade year at a different private school, let's call it, BicDonogh. Totally made up names to protect the innocent!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No.
The public school kids cant pre-k/reclass - the private school kids can and do.
Paul Rabil addresses the lack of MC support/viewership from the PLL in a recent podcast.
The aim is to change the perception of lacrosse and attract MC support.
You can't win them over when rich private school parents manage the rules at the youth level.

Pardon my ignorance, but why can't public school kids reclass or start kindergarten on the later side?

They can. Most of the elite public school laxxers from PA (if you haven't seen yet, you'll see soon) took advantage of the PA law that you don't have to enter public school until age 7. Which I'm fine with, except their parents act offended if you infer their kid is a holdback/reclass. Even though you've all seen all the kids' birthdays on various rosters.

It is very difficult in the public school system to justify (and get the paperwork straight) for a kid to not advance to 1st, 7th, or 9th grade when he was successful in the prior grade. Public schools are graded by state and federal regulators on advancement rates.

Even in the MIAA schools it's not always simple. One elite lax parent, let's call him Bark Billen, a fictional name, tried to hold back his very talented athlete son at one school, let's call it, Paint Saul's. The kid was a great athlete and a straight A student, and the school said no.....because it made no sense. So, Bark Billen's son took a 2nd 8th grade year at a different private school, let's call it, BicDonogh. Totally made up names to protect the innocent!

No one has ever heard that story before. Thanks for sharing!

One of the many great thing about travel lacrosse is that it prepares boys for high school and college sports, which in turn prepare them for real life. Look at the holdback debate this way. Families who are successful, rich, and well connected find a way to make the system work in their favor. Those who do not fall into those categories can take one of two paths - figure out a way to thrive and be happy within the system, or complain endlessly how the successful, rich, and well connected get their way. That is travel lacrosse, and that is real life, whether you like it or not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One of the many great thing about travel lacrosse is that it prepares boys for high school and college sports, which in turn prepare them for real life. Look at the holdback debate this way. Families who are successful, rich, and well connected find a way to make the system work in their favor. Those who do not fall into those categories can take one of two paths - figure out a way to thrive and be happy within the system, or complain endlessly how the successful, rich, and well connected get their way. That is travel lacrosse, and that is real life, whether you like it or not.

Turn your statement around. It should read: Families who make the system work in their favor, find a way to become connected, successful and rich. This is real life.

Also, just because some families holdback their kids doesn’t mean they can afford it. I am not a supporter of holdbacks but to each and their own.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One of the many great thing about travel lacrosse is that it prepares boys for high school and college sports, which in turn prepare them for real life. Look at the holdback debate this way. Families who are successful, rich, and well connected find a way to make the system work in their favor. Those who do not fall into those categories can take one of two paths - figure out a way to thrive and be happy within the system, or complain endlessly how the successful, rich, and well connected get their way. That is travel lacrosse, and that is real life, whether you like it or not.

[Censored] summary.
This may be applicable when the boys are young men, in HS, etc. but to teach your son you have to cheat in the youth level to get ahead makes you a POS.
Nothing like watching Mortimore & Randolph's 15yr old thump on 13yr old's.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One of the many great thing about travel lacrosse is that it prepares boys for high school and college sports, which in turn prepare them for real life. Look at the holdback debate this way. Families who are successful, rich, and well connected find a way to make the system work in their favor. Those who do not fall into those categories can take one of two paths - figure out a way to thrive and be happy within the system, or complain endlessly how the successful, rich, and well connected get their way. That is travel lacrosse, and that is real life, whether you like it or not.

summary.
This may be applicable when the boys are young men, in HS, etc. but to teach your son you have to cheat in the youth level to get ahead makes you a POS.
Nothing like watching Mortimore & Randolph's 15yr old thump on 13yr old's.

It's actually a very true and accurate summary. Lacrosse is not a meritocracy, and neither are most things in life.

My son lost his spot on a national team to a double holdback and a single holdback, both from out of state. I mean oh well? Now....how it was handled was embarrassing on the club's part. But the decision was fine, and my kid gets it too.

What it means to the kids who are heldback? My son's experience with them is that they feel pretty embarrassed by it except when they are out on the field, being awesome. The decision was made by their parents. The parents usually are evasive about it as well. They know it's a [Censored] move. Their kids know too. How is that different than any other type of entitled parenting, like legacy admissions to college, getting a $60K job at your parents' business the day you graduate college, having someone else pay your college tuition, etc?

When is it going to be fair? Never.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No.
The public school kids cant pre-k/reclass - the private school kids can and do.
Paul Rabil addresses the lack of MC support/viewership from the PLL in a recent podcast.
The aim is to change the perception of lacrosse and attract MC support.
You can't win them over when rich private school parents manage the rules at the youth level.

Pardon my ignorance, but why can't public school kids reclass or start kindergarten on the later side?

They can. Most of the elite public school laxxers from PA (if you haven't seen yet, you'll see soon) took advantage of the PA law that you don't have to enter public school until age 7. Which I'm fine with, except their parents act offended if you infer their kid is a holdback/reclass. Even though you've all seen all the kids' birthdays on various rosters.

It is very difficult in the public school system to justify (and get the paperwork straight) for a kid to not advance to 1st, 7th, or 9th grade when he was successful in the prior grade. Public schools are graded by state and federal regulators on advancement rates.

Even in the MIAA schools it's not always simple. One elite lax parent, let's call him Bark Billen, a fictional name, tried to hold back his very talented athlete son at one school, let's call it, Paint Saul's. The kid was a great athlete and a straight A student, and the school said no.....because it made no sense. So, Bark Billen's son took a 2nd 8th grade year at a different private school, let's call it, BicDonogh. Totally made up names to protect the innocent!

No one has ever heard that story before. Thanks for sharing!

NP Mark!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One of the many great thing about travel lacrosse is that it prepares boys for high school and college sports, which in turn prepare them for real life. Look at the holdback debate this way. Families who are successful, rich, and well connected find a way to make the system work in their favor. Those who do not fall into those categories can take one of two paths - figure out a way to thrive and be happy within the system, or complain endlessly how the successful, rich, and well connected get their way. That is travel lacrosse, and that is real life, whether you like it or not.

summary.
This may be applicable when the boys are young men, in HS, etc. but to teach your son you have to cheat in the youth level to get ahead makes you a POS.
Nothing like watching Mortimore & Randolph's 15yr old thump on 13yr old's.

It's actually a very true and accurate summary. Lacrosse is not a meritocracy, and neither are most things in life.

My son lost his spot on a national team to a double holdback and a single holdback, both from out of state. I mean oh well? Now....how it was handled was embarrassing on the club's part. But the decision was fine, and my kid gets it too.

What it means to the kids who are heldback? My son's experience with them is that they feel pretty embarrassed by it except when they are out on the field, being awesome. The decision was made by their parents. The parents usually are evasive about it as well. They know it's a [Censored] move. Their kids know too. How is that different than any other type of entitled parenting, like legacy admissions to college, getting a $60K job at your parents' business the day you graduate college, having someone else pay your college tuition, etc?

When is it going to be fair? Never.

You lost credibility when you said lost a spot on a national team to an out of state kid.

There are no out of state kids on national teams.

You just feel entitled to a spot for some reason. You are as big a part of the problem with lacrosse as anyone.
Entitled parents raising entitled kids crying when they don’t get their way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]

You just feel entitled to a spot for some reason. You are as big a part of the problem with lacrosse as anyone.
Entitled parents raising entitled kids crying when they don’t get their way.

The only problem with youth club lacrosse are weirdos that play their kids down. That is it. That is the one and only problem. The clubs and tourneys that encourage this weird behavior is what is limiting the sport.

It’s legal as it stands now.
But it’s certainly limiting participation in the sport overall.
Soccer does few things right, but the division of talent and teams are usually pretty good with the age based system they use. There’s a place for every talent level and the good kids play up in age, not down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s legal as it stands now.
But it’s certainly limiting participation in the sport overall.
Soccer does few things right, but the division of talent and teams are usually pretty good with the age based system they use. There’s a place for every talent level and the good kids play up in age, not down.

You bring up a good point. Why don’t more kids play up? I would think that would be the best way to really get better. The game is so much faster as you move up the grades.

The truly elite players who are on age don’t care about playing with or against holdbacks. Just saying.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One of the many great thing about travel lacrosse is that it prepares boys for high school and college sports, which in turn prepare them for real life. Look at the holdback debate this way. Families who are successful, rich, and well connected find a way to make the system work in their favor. Those who do not fall into those categories can take one of two paths - figure out a way to thrive and be happy within the system, or complain endlessly how the successful, rich, and well connected get their way. That is travel lacrosse, and that is real life, whether you like it or not.

summary.
This may be applicable when the boys are young men, in HS, etc. but to teach your son you have to cheat in the youth level to get ahead makes you a POS.
Nothing like watching Mortimore & Randolph's 15yr old thump on 13yr old's.

It's actually a very true and accurate summary. Lacrosse is not a meritocracy, and neither are most things in life.

My son lost his spot on a national team to a double holdback and a single holdback, both from out of state. I mean oh well? Now....how it was handled was embarrassing on the club's part. But the decision was fine, and my kid gets it too.

What it means to the kids who are heldback? My son's experience with them is that they feel pretty embarrassed by it except when they are out on the field, being awesome. The decision was made by their parents. The parents usually are evasive about it as well. They know it's a [Censored] move. Their kids know too. How is that different than any other type of entitled parenting, like legacy admissions to college, getting a $60K job at your parents' business the day you graduate college, having someone else pay your college tuition, etc?

When is it going to be fair? Never.

You lost credibility when you said lost a spot on a national team to an out of state kid.

There are no out of state kids on national teams.

You just feel entitled to a spot for some reason. You are as big a part of the problem with lacrosse as anyone.
Entitled parents raising entitled kids crying when they don’t get their way.

Your reading comprehension skills are...Chesapeake HS vintage, maybe 1995?

Nobody's entitled to anything. Certainly not a spot on any competitive team at work, school or sports. Which my post made clear. And the fact is that most people who clamor for "MeRiToCrAcY" started on 3rd base anyway.

Cmon CHS Cougars, three roars for reading riting and recidivism!!! raawwwwwr

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s legal as it stands now.
But it’s certainly limiting participation in the sport overall.
Soccer does few things right, but the division of talent and teams are usually pretty good with the age based system they use. There’s a place for every talent level and the good kids play up in age, not down.

Someone who works full time in corporate sports development could probably explain how the proliferation of club play in soccer didn't decimate the rec leagues (or CYO soccer) the same way that the proliferation of club lax did to rec lax.

It maybe speaks to the monumental phhhhhhhhht of MYLA (and the crater left behind) because if rec "mega councils" like that had any strength, they can stipulate certain things. I have a son who plays baseball, and if you play "club rec" or "travel" ball, you're required to also play on the regular rec team, to make sure the rec leagues can field teams and hold games "for everybody." Annoying in terms of logistics but I think it was a good move "for the sport." Also gave my son, who was #6 on the travel team batting order, to bat leadoff 1-2x per week with the rec kids. Nothing wrong with that.

I fully support USL but I don't think they really have the leverage or hooks to enforce stuff like that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]

You just feel entitled to a spot for some reason. You are as big a part of the problem with lacrosse as anyone.
Entitled parents raising entitled kids crying when they don’t get their way.

The only problem with youth club lacrosse are weirdos that play their kids down. That is it. That is the one and only problem. The clubs and tourneys that encourage this weird behavior is what is limiting the sport.

The "only problem"? Parents of kids who are not excelling will always find a problem to complain about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One of the many great thing about travel lacrosse is that it prepares boys for high school and college sports, which in turn prepare them for real life. Look at the holdback debate this way. Families who are successful, rich, and well connected find a way to make the system work in their favor. Those who do not fall into those categories can take one of two paths - figure out a way to thrive and be happy within the system, or complain endlessly how the successful, rich, and well connected get their way. That is travel lacrosse, and that is real life, whether you like it or not.

summary.
This may be applicable when the boys are young men, in HS, etc. but to teach your son you have to cheat in the youth level to get ahead makes you a POS.
Nothing like watching Mortimore & Randolph's 15yr old thump on 13yr old's.

It's actually a very true and accurate summary. Lacrosse is not a meritocracy, and neither are most things in life.

My son lost his spot on a national team to a double holdback and a single holdback, both from out of state. I mean oh well? Now....how it was handled was embarrassing on the club's part. But the decision was fine, and my kid gets it too.

What it means to the kids who are heldback? My son's experience with them is that they feel pretty embarrassed by it except when they are out on the field, being awesome. The decision was made by their parents. The parents usually are evasive about it as well. They know it's a [Censored] move. Their kids know too. How is that different than any other type of entitled parenting, like legacy admissions to college, getting a $60K job at your parents' business the day you graduate college, having someone else pay your college tuition, etc?

When is it going to be fair? Never.

You lost credibility when you said lost a spot on a national team to an out of state kid.

There are no out of state kids on national teams.

You just feel entitled to a spot for some reason. You are as big a part of the problem with lacrosse as anyone.
Entitled parents raising entitled kids crying when they don’t get their way.

Your reading comprehension skills are...Chesapeake HS vintage, maybe 1995?

Nobody's entitled to anything. Certainly not a spot on any competitive team at work, school or sports. Which my post made clear. And the fact is that most people who clamor for "MeRiToCrAcY" started on 3rd base anyway.

Cmon CHS Cougars, three roars for reading riting and recidivism!!! raawwwwwr

Honest yes or no:

Was your son better than the two players you say “took his spot?”

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The truly elite players who are on age don’t care about playing with or against holdbacks. Just saying.

Couldn’t agree more. However is it possible that most if those kids hit puberty early?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The truly elite players who are on age don’t care about playing with or against holdbacks. Just saying.

This is true. My son has never complained about playing older kids. Only parents have issue with holdbacks. Next year your kids are going to see older kids so I don't see the big deal. There isn’t that big of skill difference some kids that held back don’t even stand out that much.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One of the many great thing about travel lacrosse is that it prepares boys for high school and college sports, which in turn prepare them for real life. Look at the holdback debate this way. Families who are successful, rich, and well connected find a way to make the system work in their favor. Those who do not fall into those categories can take one of two paths - figure out a way to thrive and be happy within the system, or complain endlessly how the successful, rich, and well connected get their way. That is travel lacrosse, and that is real life, whether you like it or not.

summary.
This may be applicable when the boys are young men, in HS, etc. but to teach your son you have to cheat in the youth level to get ahead makes you a POS.
Nothing like watching Mortimore & Randolph's 15yr old thump on 13yr old's.

It's actually a very true and accurate summary. Lacrosse is not a meritocracy, and neither are most things in life.

My son lost his spot on a national team to a double holdback and a single holdback, both from out of state. I mean oh well? Now....how it was handled was embarrassing on the club's part. But the decision was fine, and my kid gets it too.

What it means to the kids who are heldback? My son's experience with them is that they feel pretty embarrassed by it except when they are out on the field, being awesome. The decision was made by their parents. The parents usually are evasive about it as well. They know it's a [Censored] move. Their kids know too. How is that different than any other type of entitled parenting, like legacy admissions to college, getting a $60K job at your parents' business the day you graduate college, having someone else pay your college tuition, etc?

When is it going to be fair? Never.

You lost credibility when you said lost a spot on a national team to an out of state kid.

There are no out of state kids on national teams.

You just feel entitled to a spot for some reason. You are as big a part of the problem with lacrosse as anyone.
Entitled parents raising entitled kids crying when they don’t get their way.

Your reading comprehension skills are...Chesapeake HS vintage, maybe 1995?

Nobody's entitled to anything. Certainly not a spot on any competitive team at work, school or sports. Which my post made clear. And the fact is that most people who clamor for "MeRiToCrAcY" started on 3rd base anyway.

Cmon CHS Cougars, three roars for reading riting and recidivism!!! raawwwwwr

Honest yes or no:

Was your son better than the two players you say “took his spot?”

He was not, which, for the 4th? time? I say "nobody's entitled to anything." Kid made another national roster a month later. And plays up a year freelancing for other clubs, in addition to his regular club. Pretty sure he'll be OK.

I'll try to dense it down to Baltimore Sun readership (4th grade equivalent) since clearly that is what's required for you:

15 year old more bigger than 13 year old.
Make 13 year old look small and slow.
No call back
Not fair but not break rules.
Life go on.
Oh well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The truly elite players who are on age don’t care about playing with or against holdbacks. Just saying.

This is true. My son has never complained about playing older kids. Only parents have issue with holdbacks. Next year your kids are going to see older kids so I don't see the big deal. There isn’t that big of skill difference some kids that held back don’t even stand out that much.

That is fundamentally untrue.......most of the time. The list of coaches and club directors who continue to late start / hold back their kids continues to get longer and longer. They know that assuming the holdback player was already "elite" on age, that he'll dominate a year down.......through HS in many (but not all) cases. When is the last time an on-age player was the #1 recruit? (I think there was a debate about Spallina, and it ultimately came out that he was a "late start" by a year, who played on-age through 9th, and dropped to "on-class" in 10th grade).

And I can concur (my son has fun playing up) that elite players don't blink (much) about playing against older kids. But usually that's because those elite kids are on elite teams who also have holdbacks.

I think this idea should continue to be picked apart because club coaches are obsessed with big, confident, disruptive players and guess who that tends to favor? Usually the oldest kids on the field. Think that goes away in 9th grade? How many freshman in the entire MIAA-A made varsity rosters? Maybe 12 out of 500+ who tried out? When it comes down to your 14 year old son and 3x 18-20 year olds at the same position on or about March 1, 2024, who do you think will be picked? If your son doesn't complain about that just a little bit, he's a robot...or he's relieved, hoping it's his off-ramp out of lax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One of the many great thing about travel lacrosse is that it prepares boys for high school and college sports, which in turn prepare them for real life. Look at the holdback debate this way. Families who are successful, rich, and well connected find a way to make the system work in their favor. Those who do not fall into those categories can take one of two paths - figure out a way to thrive and be happy within the system, or complain endlessly how the successful, rich, and well connected get their way. That is travel lacrosse, and that is real life, whether you like it or not.

summary.
This may be applicable when the boys are young men, in HS, etc. but to teach your son you have to cheat in the youth level to get ahead makes you a POS.
Nothing like watching Mortimore & Randolph's 15yr old thump on 13yr old's.

It's actually a very true and accurate summary. Lacrosse is not a meritocracy, and neither are most things in life.

My son lost his spot on a national team to a double holdback and a single holdback, both from out of state. I mean oh well? Now....how it was handled was embarrassing on the club's part. But the decision was fine, and my kid gets it too.

What it means to the kids who are heldback? My son's experience with them is that they feel pretty embarrassed by it except when they are out on the field, being awesome. The decision was made by their parents. The parents usually are evasive about it as well. They know it's a [Censored] move. Their kids know too. How is that different than any other type of entitled parenting, like legacy admissions to college, getting a $60K job at your parents' business the day you graduate college, having someone else pay your college tuition, etc?

When is it going to be fair? Never.

You lost credibility when you said lost a spot on a national team to an out of state kid.

There are no out of state kids on national teams.

You just feel entitled to a spot for some reason. You are as big a part of the problem with lacrosse as anyone.
Entitled parents raising entitled kids crying when they don’t get their way.

Your reading comprehension skills are...Chesapeake HS vintage, maybe 1995?

Nobody's entitled to anything. Certainly not a spot on any competitive team at work, school or sports. Which my post made clear. And the fact is that most people who clamor for "MeRiToCrAcY" started on 3rd base anyway.

Cmon CHS Cougars, three roars for reading riting and recidivism!!! raawwwwwr

Honest yes or no:

Was your son better than the two players you say “took his spot?”

He was not, which, for the 4th? time? I say "nobody's entitled to anything." Kid made another national roster a month later. And plays up a year freelancing for other clubs, in addition to his regular club. Pretty sure he'll be OK.

I'll try to dense it down to Baltimore Sun readership (4th grade equivalent) since clearly that is what's required for you:

15 year old more bigger than 13 year old.
Make 13 year old look small and slow.
No call back
Not fair but not break rules.
Life go on.
Oh well.

This all started because you said loss a spot to an out of state kid on a national team. Which is completely nonsensical.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'll try to dense it down to Baltimore Sun readership (4th grade equivalent) since clearly that is what's required for you:

15 year old more bigger than 13 year old.
Make 13 year old look small and slow.
No call back
Not fair but not break rules.
Life go on.
Oh well.

Awesome.
The holdback parents/coaches/directors will still try to convince us all that its not a big deal and it won't make that much of a difference.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'll try to dense it down to Baltimore Sun readership (4th grade equivalent) since clearly that is what's required for you:

15 year old more bigger than 13 year old.
Make 13 year old look small and slow.
No call back
Not fair but not break rules.
Life go on.
Oh well.

Awesome.
The holdback parents/coaches/directors will still try to convince us all that its not a big deal and it won't make that much of a difference.

If the kids are currently in the 8th grade, they are not breaking any rules. Rail on, over and over, but that is the current system. I didn't say it was right, and I am not justifying it.

Why do the people complaining about holdbacks say that 15 year olds are playing against 13 year olds? Personally I don’t think a one year difference is that big a deal but two years is a lot. Are they complaining about double holdbacks? Or are their sons playing up and then running into a two year age gap due to holdbacks in the upper division?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why do the people complaining about holdbacks say that 15 year olds are playing against 13 year olds? Personally I don’t think a one year difference is that big a deal but two years is a lot. Are they complaining about double holdbacks? Or are their sons playing up and then running into a two year age gap due to holdbacks in the upper division?

Birthdates for single year holdbacks are between 9/1/2007 and 8/31/2008. On age 2027 are 9/1/2008 to 8/31/2009. With holdbacks you have the possibility of a full 2 year difference between any two players. This does result in a 13 y/o sometimes having to compete with a 15 y/o.

I understand the holdback rationale to be older during your HS sophomore year. I'll never understand why the parents think having their 15 y/o compete against a 13 y/o helps their development though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why do the people complaining about holdbacks say that 15 year olds are playing against 13 year olds? Personally I don’t think a one year difference is that big a deal but two years is a lot. Are they complaining about double holdbacks? Or are their sons playing up and then running into a two year age gap due to holdbacks in the upper division?

I can't believe this is a real question. Currently, any kid in 8th grade and born after August 31 of 2007 is eligible to play high school varsity sports. The recommended age for 8th grade and in US Lacrosse is for kids born after August 31 of 2008 - August 31, 2009. This means there are current 8th graders who have already turned 15 playing against 13 year olds in 8th grade.

The problem gets worse as there are young men born born prior to August 31 of 2007. These young men are 15 now and will be turning 16 before entering high school. They will be ineligible to play varsity sports their senior year of high school (unless they go to a MIAA school). In the rare case, they could be 3 years older than kids on the same playing field. Historically, there will be 6-10 of these young men in HoCo this spring.

If you hear of a kid transferring to a boarding school and their parents aren't military or state department, there's a good chance they are a double holdback. The travel tournaments are filled with players who are either currently in the grade higher or the parents saying their kid is reclassig in the next school year.

The WSL has a hard age limit of 9/1. The Circuit has a softer limit of 6/1 with 3 roster exceptions older than 6/1. Many legacy clubs skipped those tournaments because they couldn't even field a team and didn't want to "out" their rosters. Watching those tournaments it was obvious how pervasive the problem is by comparing the physical sizes of those teams to teams in travel tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]

The Circuit has a softer limit of 6/1 with 3 roster exceptions older than 6/1. .

What's the point of the softer limit? Why not just follow the WSYL model?
Why are they still making exceptions for older kids playing down?
I guess I just don't understand the logic.

By the way, The Circuit also has a hard upper limit of 1/1 2008 so the 3 exceptions have to be born in 2008. The Circuit had a real problem. They had clubs who didn't want any upper limit at all and a bunch who wanted to reign it in because even their summer birthday rosters couldn't compete against early 2008 and 2007 birthdays. Some of the teams were a little deeper so they were able to bump players up from lower classes. Some had such a history of playing with older players and mercenaries that they fell away or did very poorly at the first tournament because those teams couldn't stack the roster. This is what they did to put on the events this year. Who knows if they will make it to year 2.

The WSL model has struggled over the years and is now essentially a NE tournament. Many clubs from around the country just don't want to change their model to participate. The guys putting on WSL did a great job in getting it back up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]

The Circuit has a softer limit of 6/1 with 3 roster exceptions older than 6/1. .

What's the point of the softer limit? Why not just follow the WSYL model?
Why are they still making exceptions for older kids playing down?
I guess I just don't understand the logic.

Maybe a compromise for the pre-first summer birthday boys? Either way, 8/31 or 6/1, just set a date and lets be done with it. The 3 exceptions the Circuit did was dense. No exceptions, set a hard date and implement it for the 2023-2024 season to give clubs a little time to shift players to the appropriate team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

By the way, The Circuit also has a hard upper limit of 1/1 2008 so the 3 exceptions have to be born in 2008. The Circuit had a real problem. They had clubs who didn't want any upper limit at all and a bunch who wanted to reign it in because even their summer birthday rosters couldn't compete against early 2008 and 2007 birthdays. Some of the teams were a little deeper so they were able to bump players up from lower classes. Some had such a history of playing with older players and mercenaries that they fell away or did very poorly at the first tournament because those teams couldn't stack the roster. This is what they did to put on the events this year. Who knows if they will make it to year 2. .

With this system it just seems like a money grab. The teams with the oldest kids will dominate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The WSL model has struggled over the years and is now essentially a NE tournament. Many clubs from around the country just don't want to change their model to participate. The guys putting on WSL did a great job in getting it back up.

Yea they did. Kudos to them for sticking to on age/100 mile radius.
Lots of 5th/6th grade kids are going to have to play this summer.

The circuit did it because they had to. It’s a tournament. Ultimately the teams who enter it dictate the rules. They have to go with what the clubs said.

I guess there are people here who don't know the story. The Circuit came about because the owners of US Club Nationals, Legacy and MadLax, were tired of the national teams entering and winning their tournaments, specifically The Nationals. They decided to restrict entry and not just from The Nationals. The Nationals spear-headed the attempt to have an alternative and they came up with The Circuit. If you want to criticize The Circuit you better despise Club Nationals and like tournaments. They have zero age restrictions and zero class verifications. This includes the mighty HoCo where there will be a large number of 2007 birthdays playing in the 8th grade division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you want to criticize The Circuit you better despise Club Nationals and like tournaments. They have zero age restrictions and zero class verifications. This includes the mighty HoCo where there will be a large number of 2007 birthdays playing in the 8th grade division.

Gross.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess there are people here who don't know the story. The Circuit came about because the owners of US Club Nationals, Legacy and MadLax, were tired of the national teams entering and winning their tournaments, specifically The Nationals. They decided to restrict entry and not just from The Nationals. The Nationals spear-headed the attempt to have an alternative and they came up with The Circuit. If you want to criticize The Circuit you better despise Club Nationals and like tournaments. They have zero age restrictions and zero class verifications. This includes the mighty HoCo where there will be a large number of 2007 birthdays playing in the 8th grade division.

If you are referring to the nationals run by G I would find it very interesting to hear he would push for age base considering how many hold back were on his original good 27 team when they beat madlax at the Florida tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you want to criticize The Circuit you better despise Club Nationals and like tournaments. They have zero age restrictions and zero class verifications. This includes the mighty HoCo where there will be a large number of 2007 birthdays playing in the 8th grade division.

Gross.

ML and a few other tournament organizers (though, mostly on the lower level even below Aloha) typically have an "allowance" towards the very end of the list of tournament rules that if the coach considers their club to be a "community based lacrosse team" (no definition given for what that means), instead of entering their team according to the oldest grad year on their roster, they are allowed to "average out" the grad years.

Obviously the rule is geared towards low end, low resources rec club teams from outside of MD. Or is it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you want to criticize The Circuit you better despise Club Nationals and like tournaments. They have zero age restrictions and zero class verifications. This includes the mighty HoCo where there will be a large number of 2007 birthdays playing in the 8th grade division.

Gross.

What do you consider “large numbers?”
I am 100% against holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess there are people here who don't know the story. The Circuit came about because the owners of US Club Nationals, Legacy and MadLax, were tired of the national teams entering and winning their tournaments, specifically The Nationals. They decided to restrict entry and not just from The Nationals. The Nationals spear-headed the attempt to have an alternative and they came up with The Circuit. If you want to criticize The Circuit you better despise Club Nationals and like tournaments. They have zero age restrictions and zero class verifications. This includes the mighty HoCo where there will be a large number of 2007 birthdays playing in the 8th grade division.

Don't forget that the Nationals were barred from entering the Club Nationals tournament because they were caught fielding kids who played for other teams in the same tournament. It wasn't the first time they did it - or the last. Nationals did the same thing at the 2022 Future Champions tournament. They had several kids play for both their A and B teams, and even one kid who played for 3 teams in the tournament - his home club team and both the Nationals A and B teams. In their defense (but not really), their A and B team only had 13 or 14 kids each - but that was because the owner got greedy and tried to create two "equal" 2027 teams and ended up with too many kids for one team but not enough for two teams.

There have been and are some really good kids who have played for the Nationals, but nothing Nationals does is for "the good of the game", and I highly doubt they were initiating any kind of age limits for the Circuit. Most likely they just acquiesced in an effort to lure other clubs into the Circuit, and they were also likely the group advocating for the 3 exceptions rule.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess there are people here who don't know the story. The Circuit came about because the owners of US Club Nationals, Legacy and MadLax, were tired of the national teams entering and winning their tournaments, specifically The Nationals. They decided to restrict entry and not just from The Nationals. The Nationals spear-headed the attempt to have an alternative and they came up with The Circuit. If you want to criticize The Circuit you better despise Club Nationals and like tournaments. They have zero age restrictions and zero class verifications. This includes the mighty HoCo where there will be a large number of 2007 birthdays playing in the 8th grade division.

Don't forget that the Nationals were barred from entering the Club Nationals tournament because they were caught fielding kids who played for other teams in the same tournament. It wasn't the first time they did it - or the last. Nationals did the same thing at the 2022 Future Champions tournament. They had several kids play for both their A and B teams, and even one kid who played for 3 teams in the tournament - his home club team and both the Nationals A and B teams. In their defense (but not really), their A and B team only had 13 or 14 kids each - but that was because the owner got greedy and tried to create two "equal" 2027 teams and ended up with too many kids for one team but not enough for two teams.

There have been and are some really good kids who have played for the Nationals, but nothing Nationals does is for "the good of the game", and I highly doubt they were initiating any kind of age limits for the Circuit. Most likely they just acquiesced in an effort to lure other clubs into the Circuit, and they were also likely the group advocating for the 3 exceptions rule.

BTW, what ever happened to the lawsuit the Nationals brought against Madlax owner accusing him of “racial bias?” That went quiet pretty quickly… was there an outcome other than the lawsuit being dropped as frivolous?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess there are people here who don't know the story. The Circuit came about because the owners of US Club Nationals, Legacy and MadLax, were tired of the national teams entering and winning their tournaments, specifically The Nationals. They decided to restrict entry and not just from The Nationals. The Nationals spear-headed the attempt to have an alternative and they came up with The Circuit. If you want to criticize The Circuit you better despise Club Nationals and like tournaments. They have zero age restrictions and zero class verifications. This includes the mighty HoCo where there will be a large number of 2007 birthdays playing in the 8th grade division.

If you are referring to the nationals run by G I would find it very interesting to hear he would push for age base considering how many hold back were on his original good 27 team when they beat madlax at the Florida tournament.

you mean the team that cheated with players borrowed from other teams at the same event?

Who has heard of NVYLL? for those who have not, it is a rec league in Northern Virginia. It is where virtually every HoCo players who lives in Virginia got their start, and the majority of Virginia HoCo players continue to play both rec and travel for their entire youth career. Compared to HoCo the quality of rec play is very uneven, but the league is extremely well run. There are two features of this league worth mentioning here:

First, it is age based, but the brackets are two years, so players routinely go against opponents a year apart, and up to two years apart. They have A and B divisions, so that student 12 year old's are not feeding on weak 11 year old's. But if a player in the younger half of the age bracket is chosen for an A team and accepts the roster spot (they always do), then he will be playing with and against kids 1 to 2 years older. So the parents on this Board who complain about holdbacks should think about that - if your on age player does not have the size or desire (or ability) to compete against kids a year older, just play in a lower division; nobody is forcing him to play in HoCo elite. Great players a year apart (up to two years) in age have been competing against each other in rec forever and it is not an issue.

Second, before every NVYLL game the head coaches exchange rosters. Failure to do so is an automatic forfeit, and coaches take it seriously and hand them over without any BS. The exchange roster has every player's name and jersey number. Plus, every coach is required to carry in his/her bag a more detailed roster that contains more info, including birth dates and home address (because teams are based on residence) and must show it on request. If one team finds out that another has an illegal player and turns them in, it is dealt with swiftly and fairly. (meaning that the offending team is very sorry). Why not have that rule in HoCo and in travel tournaments?

HoCo and MOST tournaments are not inclined to go age based or do anything to alienate the big MD clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess there are people here who don't know the story. The Circuit came about because the owners of US Club Nationals, Legacy and MadLax, were tired of the national teams entering and winning their tournaments, specifically The Nationals. They decided to restrict entry and not just from The Nationals. The Nationals spear-headed the attempt to have an alternative and they came up with The Circuit. If you want to criticize The Circuit you better despise Club Nationals and like tournaments. They have zero age restrictions and zero class verifications. This includes the mighty HoCo where there will be a large number of 2007 birthdays playing in the 8th grade division.

If you are referring to the nationals run by G I would find it very interesting to hear he would push for age base considering how many hold back were on his original good 27 team when they beat madlax at the Florida tournament.

you mean the team that cheated with players borrowed from other teams at the same event?

Salty madlax mom is back!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess there are people here who don't know the story. The Circuit came about because the owners of US Club Nationals, Legacy and MadLax, were tired of the national teams entering and winning their tournaments, specifically The Nationals. They decided to restrict entry and not just from The Nationals. The Nationals spear-headed the attempt to have an alternative and they came up with The Circuit. If you want to criticize The Circuit you better despise Club Nationals and like tournaments. They have zero age restrictions and zero class verifications. This includes the mighty HoCo where there will be a large number of 2007 birthdays playing in the 8th grade division.

If you are referring to the nationals run by G I would find it very interesting to hear he would push for age base considering how many hold back were on his original good 27 team when they beat madlax at the Florida tournament.

you mean the team that cheated with players borrowed from other teams at the same event?

Salty madlax mom is back!

Like beating Madlax is newsworthy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who has heard of NVYLL? for those who have not, it is a rec league in Northern Virginia. It is where virtually every HoCo players who lives in Virginia got their start, and the majority of Virginia HoCo players continue to play both rec and travel for their entire youth career. Compared to HoCo the quality of rec play is very uneven, but the league is extremely well run. There are two features of this league worth mentioning here:

First, it is age based, but the brackets are two years, so players routinely go against opponents a year apart, and up to two years apart. They have A and B divisions, so that student 12 year old's are not feeding on weak 11 year old's. But if a player in the younger half of the age bracket is chosen for an A team and accepts the roster spot (they always do), then he will be playing with and against kids 1 to 2 years older. So the parents on this Board who complain about holdbacks should think about that - if your on age player does not have the size or desire (or ability) to compete against kids a year older, just play in a lower division; nobody is forcing him to play in HoCo elite. Great players a year apart (up to two years) in age have been competing against each other in rec forever and it is not an issue.

Second, before every NVYLL game the head coaches exchange rosters. Failure to do so is an automatic forfeit, and coaches take it seriously and hand them over without any BS. The exchange roster has every player's name and jersey number. Plus, every coach is required to carry in his/her bag a more detailed roster that contains more info, including birth dates and home address (because teams are based on residence) and must show it on request. If one team finds out that another has an illegal player and turns them in, it is dealt with swiftly and fairly. (meaning that the offending team is very sorry). Why not have that rule in HoCo and in travel tournaments?

Good point. If parents feel that strongly about their kid playing against older boys, they can always play in a lower division where there aren’t as many holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess there are people here who don't know the story. The Circuit came about because the owners of US Club Nationals, Legacy and MadLax, were tired of the national teams entering and winning their tournaments, specifically The Nationals. They decided to restrict entry and not just from The Nationals. The Nationals spear-headed the attempt to have an alternative and they came up with The Circuit. If you want to criticize The Circuit you better despise Club Nationals and like tournaments. They have zero age restrictions and zero class verifications. This includes the mighty HoCo where there will be a large number of 2007 birthdays playing in the 8th grade division.

If you are referring to the nationals run by G I would find it very interesting to hear he would push for age base considering how many hold back were on his original good 27 team when they beat madlax at the Florida tournament.

you mean the team that cheated with players borrowed from other teams at the same event?

Salty madlax mom is back!

Like beating Madlax is newsworthy

Thanks hawks daddy. Bet you wish played madlax in fall . Maybe your record would look better

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess there are people here who don't know the story. The Circuit came about because the owners of US Club Nationals, Legacy and MadLax, were tired of the national teams entering and winning their tournaments, specifically The Nationals. They decided to restrict entry and not just from The Nationals. The Nationals spear-headed the attempt to have an alternative and they came up with The Circuit. If you want to criticize The Circuit you better despise Club Nationals and like tournaments. They have zero age restrictions and zero class verifications. This includes the mighty HoCo where there will be a large number of 2007 birthdays playing in the 8th grade division.

Thanks G. You left out the part where the real reason is they were tired of YOU recruiting players at the same tournaments to play on Nationals teams and you had no other tournaments that would let you in. The "winning their tournaments" part is just your fantasy world.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess there are people here who don't know the story. The Circuit came about because the owners of US Club Nationals, Legacy and MadLax, were tired of the national teams entering and winning their tournaments, specifically The Nationals. They decided to restrict entry and not just from The Nationals. The Nationals spear-headed the attempt to have an alternative and they came up with The Circuit. If you want to criticize The Circuit you better despise Club Nationals and like tournaments. They have zero age restrictions and zero class verifications. This includes the mighty HoCo where there will be a large number of 2007 birthdays playing in the 8th grade division.

If you are referring to the nationals run by G I would find it very interesting to hear he would push for age base considering how many hold back were on his original good 27 team when they beat madlax at the Florida tournament.

you mean the team that cheated with players borrowed from other teams at the same event?

Salty madlax mom is back!

Like beating Madlax is newsworthy

Thanks hawks daddy. Bet you wish played madlax in fall . Maybe your record would look better

Say what you want about the Hawks fall record, but Madlax has never beaten them in this age group and never will. The gap between Hawks/NextLevel and the rest of the division has gotten pretty wide.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess there are people here who don't know the story. The Circuit came about because the owners of US Club Nationals, Legacy and MadLax, were tired of the national teams entering and winning their tournaments, specifically The Nationals. They decided to restrict entry and not just from The Nationals. The Nationals spear-headed the attempt to have an alternative and they came up with The Circuit. If you want to criticize The Circuit you better despise Club Nationals and like tournaments. They have zero age restrictions and zero class verifications. This includes the mighty HoCo where there will be a large number of 2007 birthdays playing in the 8th grade division.

If you are referring to the nationals run by G I would find it very interesting to hear he would push for age base considering how many hold back were on his original good 27 team when they beat madlax at the Florida tournament.

you mean the team that cheated with players borrowed from other teams at the same event?

Salty madlax mom is back!

Like beating Madlax is newsworthy

Thanks hawks daddy. Bet you wish played madlax in fall . Maybe your record would look better

Say what you want about the Hawks fall record, but Madlax has never beaten them in this age group and never will. The gap between Hawks/NextLevel and the rest of the division has gotten pretty wide.

If I remember correctly next level beat them one year in fall and this fall crabs smashed them. Everyone prepare yourself for the excuses

Where are the 27s heading for high school?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who has heard of NVYLL? for those who have not, it is a rec league in Northern Virginia. It is where virtually every HoCo players who lives in Virginia got their start, and the majority of Virginia HoCo players continue to play both rec and travel for their entire youth career. Compared to HoCo the quality of rec play is very uneven, but the league is extremely well run. There are two features of this league worth mentioning here:

First, it is age based, but the brackets are two years, so players routinely go against opponents a year apart, and up to two years apart. They have A and B divisions, so that student 12 year old's are not feeding on weak 11 year old's. But if a player in the younger half of the age bracket is chosen for an A team and accepts the roster spot (they always do), then he will be playing with and against kids 1 to 2 years older. So the parents on this Board who complain about holdbacks should think about that - if your on age player does not have the size or desire (or ability) to compete against kids a year older, just play in a lower division; nobody is forcing him to play in HoCo elite. Great players a year apart (up to two years) in age have been competing against each other in rec forever and it is not an issue.

Second, before every NVYLL game the head coaches exchange rosters. Failure to do so is an automatic forfeit, and coaches take it seriously and hand them over without any BS. The exchange roster has every player's name and jersey number. Plus, every coach is required to carry in his/her bag a more detailed roster that contains more info, including birth dates and home address (because teams are based on residence) and must show it on request. If one team finds out that another has an illegal player and turns them in, it is dealt with swiftly and fairly. (meaning that the offending team is very sorry). Why not have that rule in HoCo and in travel tournaments?

Good point. If parents feel that strongly about their kid playing against older boys, they can always play in a lower division where there aren’t as many holdbacks.

Wrong. The Lower divisions are full of pre-k holdbacks as well. They just aren't as talented and they don't generally have reclasses.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe a compromise for the pre-first summer birthday boys? .

Yea, but why?
It just turns into a never ending cycle.
If the summer kids are allowed in , why not the spring kids?
Why not the winter kids?
The pre-k summer kids are holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The truly elite players who are on age don’t care about playing with or against holdbacks. Just saying.

Yes they do. Everyone does. You're lying to yourself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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You just feel entitled to a spot for some reason. You are as big a part of the problem with lacrosse as anyone.
Entitled parents raising entitled kids crying when they don’t get their way.

The only problem with youth club lacrosse are weirdos that play their kids down. That is it. That is the one and only problem. The clubs and tourneys that encourage this weird behavior is what is limiting the sport.

The "only problem"? Parents of kids who are not excelling will always find a problem to complain about.

Club lacrosse will be significantly different, with a lot less problems, and a lot more popularity when it finally goes on age.
Fact.
When club lacrosse goes on age It will also finally shed the elitist persona it has poisoned the actual game of lacrosse with.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The truly elite players who are on age don’t care about playing with or against holdbacks. Just saying.

Yes they do. Everyone does. You're lying to yourself.

No they don’t.

It’s the parents of benchwarmers in elite and Lower division players who feel holdbacks are keeping their kids out of elite who cry incessantly on this board.

The on age actual elite kids do not care about holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The truly elite players who are on age don’t care about playing with or against holdbacks. Just saying.

Yes they do. Everyone does. You're lying to yourself.

No they don’t.

It’s the parents of benchwarmers in elite and Lower division players who feel holdbacks are keeping their kids out of elite who cry incessantly on this board.

The on age actual elite kids do not care about holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The truly elite players who are on age don’t care about playing with or against holdbacks. Just saying.

Yes they do. Everyone does. You're lying to yourself.

No they don’t.

It’s the parents of benchwarmers in elite and Lower division players who feel holdbacks are keeping their kids out of elite who cry incessantly on this board.

The on age actual elite kids do not care about holdbacks.

Lies.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The truly elite players who are on age don’t care about playing with or against holdbacks. Just saying.

Yes they do. Everyone does. You're lying to yourself.

I’m not lying to myself. I have an elite on age player who never complains. I actually think he likes playing against the older players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The truly elite players who are on age don’t care about playing with or against holdbacks. Just saying.

Yes they do. Everyone does. You're lying to yourself.

I’m not lying to myself. I have an elite on age player who never complains. I actually think he likes playing against the older players.

Reclasses/Holdbacks are very common in high school so everyone needs to get over it or do it themselves. Everyone has their reasons but college coaches do not care so you should not if that is your goal. Covid complicated things even further you have 26 year old college kids playing lacrosse still so everyone needs to make their own decisions. Bottom line though is the kid that is a man in 8th grade is done growing and the late bloomer will eventually even up testosterone wise. By a kids Jr year in high school everything has pretty much evened out and if your kid is a late bloomer trust me college coaches realize that and it is an advantage. Middle school years and a kids freshman year the early bloomers benefit but it all evens out eventually. Colleges redshirt freshman all the time so it is part of it if you constantly whine about it you do not understand sports at the highest levels.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The truly elite players who are on age don’t care about playing with or against holdbacks. Just saying.

Yes they do. Everyone does. You're lying to yourself.

I’m not lying to myself. I have an elite on age player who never complains. I actually think he likes playing against the older players.

Reclasses/Holdbacks are very common in high school so everyone needs to get over it or do it themselves. Everyone has their reasons but college coaches do not care so you should not if that is your goal. Covid complicated things even further you have 26 year old college kids playing lacrosse still so everyone needs to make their own decisions. Bottom line though is the kid that is a man in 8th grade is done growing and the late bloomer will eventually even up testosterone wise. By a kids Jr year in high school everything has pretty much evened out and if your kid is a late bloomer trust me college coaches realize that and it is an advantage. Middle school years and a kids freshman year the early bloomers benefit but it all evens out eventually. Colleges redshirt freshman all the time so it is part of it if you constantly whine about it you do not understand sports at the highest levels.

Salisbury and others have kids on their roster who are playing their 6th college season. It's insanity these days.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are the 27s heading for high school?

I will give the lax dads of the 2026s props...compared to the 2027s, there is not as much of (at this moment), "Well my son is HIGHLY recruited and got a personal call from X coach at X HS."

That being said, it's a hard process, even with Lax Eliteness. From what I know of past years, % admission to the various HS is not a walk in the park. The least restrictive......Curley and MSJ, accept about 50% of applicants. The academically more prestigious large MIAA-A schools (Gilman, McD, Loyola) accept about 25%. Severn, St Marys, St Pauls and BL.......I think closer to 10% these days because the middle schools are swelling with kids whose parents got fed up with public schools during covid. Not an indicator of athletic or academic eliteness but certainly competitive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are the 27s heading for high school?

I will give the lax dads of the 2026s props...compared to the 2027s, there is not as much of (at this moment), "Well my son is HIGHLY recruited and got a personal call from X coach at X HS."

That being said, it's a hard process, even with Lax Eliteness. From what I know of past years, % admission to the various HS is not a walk in the park. The least restrictive......Curley and MSJ, accept about 50% of applicants. The academically more prestigious large MIAA-A schools (Gilman, McD, Loyola) accept about 25%. Severn, St Marys, St Pauls and BL.......I think closer to 10% these days because the middle schools are swelling with kids whose parents got fed up with public schools during covid. Not an indicator of athletic or academic eliteness but certainly competitive.

I mistakenly switched the years in the top statement....compared to the insufferable 2026 dads last year, the 2027s have been strategic or even humble.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The truly elite players who are on age don’t care about playing with or against holdbacks. Just saying.

Yes they do. Everyone does. You're lying to yourself.

I’m not lying to myself. I have an elite on age player who never complains. I actually think he likes playing against the older players.

What do you think of the good older player coming down to be an elite player against younger kids?
Think its fair?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are the 27s heading for high school?

I will give the lax dads of the 2026s props...compared to the 2027s, there is not as much of (at this moment), "Well my son is HIGHLY recruited and got a personal call from X coach at X HS."

That being said, it's a hard process, even with Lax Eliteness. From what I know of past years, % admission to the various HS is not a walk in the park. The least restrictive......Curley and MSJ, accept about 50% of applicants. The academically more prestigious large MIAA-A schools (Gilman, McD, Loyola) accept about 25%. Severn, St Marys, St Pauls and BL.......I think closer to 10% these days because the middle schools are swelling with kids whose parents got fed up with public schools during covid. Not an indicator of athletic or academic eliteness but certainly competitive.

A few of those schools MAY only accept 10% at the HS level. But it's all a shell game-

Most Baltimore locals also know that some of those super selective schools let almost ANYONE in at the Middle school and 8th grade level.

Were you denied HS admissions at our "selective" school? Do you have questionable middle school grades heading into HS?

Just retake 8th grade...with us!

Where do you think "academic" and "development" holdbacks originally came from?

It's been happening at some of these schools for DECADES.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The truly elite players who are on age don’t care about playing with or against holdbacks. Just saying.

Yes they do. Everyone does. You're lying to yourself.

I’m not lying to myself. I have an elite on age player who never complains. I actually think he likes playing against the older players.

What do you think of the good older player coming down to be an elite player against younger kids?
Think its fair?

Perhaps it’s not fair but with all the complaining it’s only becoming more prevalent. Crabs doesn’t look anything like the same team. They just added a bunch of holdback. Team 91 did the same thing. It’s obviously working for some and I can’t see them changing it anytime soon.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe a compromise for the pre-first summer birthday boys? .

Yea, but why?
It just turns into a never ending cycle.
If the summer kids are allowed in , why not the spring kids?
Why not the winter kids?
The pre-k summer kids are holdbacks.

Why? Because its a compromise and that is how you get things done. Letting the public school kid that was born on 8/20/2008 but wasn't ready for first grade because of learning or other developmental reasons play with his 8th grade classmates might be enough to get this actually done. Why not all of the other seasons you mentioned? Because 6/1 would be a step in the right direction, way better than the system now and would have a much better chance of being implemented than 9/1.

You can call them holdbacks if that makes you feel better. My question to you is, would you want things to stay the way they are now or have a 6/1 cutoff?

I think it takes away from the elite kids who became elite with god given talent and hard work.
If you can't win just play down.

Can't wait for one or both of those teams not to make the playoffs again. Hawks, Next Level, Madlax and ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The truly elite players who are on age don’t care about playing with or against holdbacks. Just saying.

Yes they do. Everyone does. You're lying to yourself.

I’m not lying to myself. I have an elite on age player who never complains. I actually think he likes playing against the older players.

Why don't you ask him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The truly elite players who are on age don’t care about playing with or against holdbacks. Just saying.

Yes they do. Everyone does. You're lying to yourself.

No they don’t.

It’s the parents of benchwarmers in elite and Lower division players who feel holdbacks are keeping their kids out of elite who cry incessantly on this board.

The on age actual elite kids do not care about holdbacks.

Lies.

No they don’t. By in large, the kids out there on the field are aware of the other boys age but once the ball is in play it’s find and man and play.

But if you want to keep telling your son that’s why he’s not at that level (holdbacks) then have at it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The truly elite players who are on age don’t care about playing with or against holdbacks. Just saying.

Yes they do. Everyone does. You're lying to yourself.

No they don’t.

It’s the parents of benchwarmers in elite and Lower division players who feel holdbacks are keeping their kids out of elite who cry incessantly on this board.

The on age actual elite kids do not care about holdbacks.

Lies.

No they don’t. By in large, the kids out there on the field are aware of the other boys age but once the ball is in play it’s find and man and play.

But if you want to keep telling your son that’s why he’s not at that level (holdbacks) then have at it.

+1 for on-age kid who plays elite, is aware of holdbacks, but doesn't care. Definitely more of an issue for parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The truly elite players who are on age don’t care about playing with or against holdbacks. Just saying.

Yes they do. Everyone does. You're lying to yourself.

I’m not lying to myself. I have an elite on age player who never complains. I actually think he likes playing against the older players.

Why don't you ask him.

I’m not going to ask him because we don’t waste our time talking about holdbacks. We talk about what he did well or what he can work on. Actually most of the time after a game we don’t talk about specific players at all because he has other interests like will his NFL team make it to the playoffs. Typically all he really wants to know after a game is what we’re going to eat.

You’re a great dad. Sounds like he’s really into it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The truly elite players who are on age don’t care about playing with or against holdbacks. Just saying.

Yes they do. Everyone does. You're lying to yourself.

No they don’t.

It’s the parents of benchwarmers in elite and Lower division players who feel holdbacks are keeping their kids out of elite who cry incessantly on this board.

The on age actual elite kids do not care about holdbacks.

Lies.

No they don’t. By in large, the kids out there on the field are aware of the other boys age but once the ball is in play it’s find and man and play.

But if you want to keep telling your son that’s why he’s not at that level (holdbacks) then have at it.

+1 for on-age kid who plays elite, is aware of holdbacks, but doesn't care. Definitely more of an issue for parents.

+ 2 for the 14yr old who isn't elite but works his tail off only to be replaced by a 16yr old with parents that really, really want them to win. At all costs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You’re a great dad. Sounds like he’s really into it.

Thanks. My son works hard off the field and starts on an elite team - and he’s on age. I’d say he’s pretty into it. Once again, we just don’t waste time talking about holdbacks. Next year he will have to compete with sophomores and juniors for a spot on his high school roster. He might as well get used to it now.

You spend a lot of time on here defending your tough love parenting. Glad you and your kid are one of the few exceptions to the most talked about topics in youth lacrosse. I'm sure he's in advanced calc and greek studies too. I'll also suppose he's a 2008 fall baby which allows him to at least be closer to the older kids. Try having some empathy towards kids who are born in 2009 and possibly even in the summer of 2009. Those kids are possibly competing against players 3 years older than them. Are you capable of seeing anything other than through your own viewpoint?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You spend a lot of time on here defending your tough love parenting. Glad you and your kid are one of the few exceptions to the most talked about topics in youth lacrosse. I'm sure he's in advanced calc and greek studies too. I'll also suppose he's a 2008 fall baby which allows him to at least be closer to the older kids. Try having some empathy towards kids who are born in 2009 and possibly even in the summer of 2009. Those kids are possibly competing against players 3 years older than them. Are you capable of seeing anything other than through your own viewpoint?

What team has kids three years older?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are the 27s heading for high school?

I will give the lax dads of the 2026s props...compared to the 2027s, there is not as much of (at this moment), "Well my son is HIGHLY recruited and got a personal call from X coach at X HS."

That being said, it's a hard process, even with Lax Eliteness. From what I know of past years, % admission to the various HS is not a walk in the park. The least restrictive......Curley and MSJ, accept about 50% of applicants. The academically more prestigious large MIAA-A schools (Gilman, McD, Loyola) accept about 25%. Severn, St Marys, St Pauls and BL.......I think closer to 10% these days because the middle schools are swelling with kids whose parents got fed up with public schools during covid. Not an indicator of athletic or academic eliteness but certainly competitive.

A few of those schools MAY only accept 10% at the HS level. But it's all a shell game-

Most Baltimore locals also know that some of those super selective schools let almost ANYONE in at the Middle school and 8th grade level.

Were you denied HS admissions at our "selective" school? Do you have questionable middle school grades heading into HS?

Just retake 8th grade...with us!

Where do you think "academic" and "development" holdbacks originally came from?

It's been happening at some of these schools for DECADES.

I'm a Towson dad of an MIAA MS kid who plays a few rec sports on his days off from lax/football. And I'll tell you exactly who makes this specific comment:

Moms of kids who are capable of MIAA academics and sports but choose to stay public.

Where the above comment is motivated from is

1) that there are a few kids (Gilman, SP, Loyola) who....yeah it's hard to know how they convinced the school to admit them. Boys Latin....maybe more than a few.

2) The moms of those kids, in some cases, strut around like they are hot stuff because their kid got into Gilman/LB/BL/SP in 6th grade.

3) Annoyed public school mom recognizes that some of the newly minted MIAA Athlete Geniuses are less smart and less athletic than her kids.

4) Comment generated: "these schools let almost ANYONE in!"

The fact is that MS admission rate is <50% for 6th grade at every school, and closer to 10% at 7th and 8th grade. Even at big bad mediocre Loyola, they are looking to add 10 new kids in 7th grade and 10 more in 8th grade before adding 100 (out of 400 applicants) in 9th grade.

Do you think they can't be or aren't selective with 10 spots to play with?

Even in 6th grade, these schools are looking to fill 25-60 spots. Do you really think just 50 kids apply lol. "oh they let anyone in these places!"

Yeah. Maybe.

My son is a June 2009 birthday. Starting in 2007 elite.

He is an average sized kid and has no concerns. We've talked about it. I have more perspective and personally think it's unfair. But life is unfair. Interestingly, my son and his other on-age friends don't really care. Most just accept it as the way of life. Many even take it as a badge of honor competing against the big/older dogs.

If you have a TRUE problem, a TRUE safety concern, VOICE IT. Log a complaint with the league. Log a complaint to a tournament director. Write the president of USL about it likely hindering the growth of the sport.

Because complaining on the internet just isn't working. If you want it to change, do something more. There is some positive momentum to change it. Join in. Waiting for someone else to do it will mean more of the same.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are the 27s heading for high school?

I will give the lax dads of the 2026s props...compared to the 2027s, there is not as much of (at this moment), "Well my son is HIGHLY recruited and got a personal call from X coach at X HS."

That being said, it's a hard process, even with Lax Eliteness. From what I know of past years, % admission to the various HS is not a walk in the park. The least restrictive......Curley and MSJ, accept about 50% of applicants. The academically more prestigious large MIAA-A schools (Gilman, McD, Loyola) accept about 25%. Severn, St Marys, St Pauls and BL.......I think closer to 10% these days because the middle schools are swelling with kids whose parents got fed up with public schools during covid. Not an indicator of athletic or academic eliteness but certainly competitive.

A few of those schools MAY only accept 10% at the HS level. But it's all a shell game-

Most Baltimore locals also know that some of those super selective schools let almost ANYONE in at the Middle school and 8th grade level.

Were you denied HS admissions at our "selective" school? Do you have questionable middle school grades heading into HS?

Just retake 8th grade...with us!

Where do you think "academic" and "development" holdbacks originally came from?

It's been happening at some of these schools for DECADES.

If it makes you feel better that "the supposedly selective schools" average only 400 points better on the SAT compared to the average MD public school, and that English proficiency is 100% at these "shell game elitist fake education schools" instead of 16% at many of MD's vaunted public schools, then I guess knock yourself out. By default, you are a superior person I guess.

What I would say to you, is that if you live in a "better than average" public school district particularly MoCo or HoCo, how do you feel about YOUR use of money to get your kid ahead, with your $300K 1/4 lot with a $600K vinyl sided cow palace on top of it. The lot that you shopped by *specifically for that school district.* How is that participation trophy for your kid any different from paying prep school tuition? Hint, it is not any different. So take a deep breath Chad / Karen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]You spend a lot of time on here defending your tough love parenting. Glad you and your kid are one of the few exceptions to the most talked about topics in youth lacrosse. I'm sure he's in advanced calc and greek studies too. I'll also suppose he's a 2008 fall baby which allows him to at least be closer to the older kids. Try having some empathy towards kids who are born in 2009 and possibly even in the summer of 2009. Those kids are possibly competing against players 3 years older than them. Are you capable of seeing anything other than through your own viewpoint?

Of course I am. Are you? My kid is not perfect and I’m certainly not a perfect parent. You’re the one that can’t get past the holdback conversation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are the 27s heading for high school?

I will give the lax dads of the 2026s props...compared to the 2027s, there is not as much of (at this moment), "Well my son is HIGHLY recruited and got a personal call from X coach at X HS."

That being said, it's a hard process, even with Lax Eliteness. From what I know of past years, % admission to the various HS is not a walk in the park. The least restrictive......Curley and MSJ, accept about 50% of applicants. The academically more prestigious large MIAA-A schools (Gilman, McD, Loyola) accept about 25%. Severn, St Marys, St Pauls and BL.......I think closer to 10% these days because the middle schools are swelling with kids whose parents got fed up with public schools during covid. Not an indicator of athletic or academic eliteness but certainly competitive.

A few of those schools MAY only accept 10% at the HS level. But it's all a shell game-

Most Baltimore locals also know that some of those super selective schools let almost ANYONE in at the Middle school and 8th grade level.

Were you denied HS admissions at our "selective" school? Do you have questionable middle school grades heading into HS?

Just retake 8th grade...with us!

Where do you think "academic" and "development" holdbacks originally came from?

It's been happening at some of these schools for DECADES.

I'm a Towson dad of an MIAA MS kid who plays a few rec sports on his days off from lax/football. And I'll tell you exactly who makes this specific comment:

Moms of kids who are capable of MIAA academics and sports but choose to stay public.

Where the above comment is motivated from is

1) that there are a few kids (Gilman, SP, Loyola) who....yeah it's hard to know how they convinced the school to admit them. Boys Latin....maybe more than a few.

2) The moms of those kids, in some cases, strut around like they are hot stuff because their kid got into Gilman/LB/BL/SP in 6th grade.

3) Annoyed public school mom recognizes that some of the newly minted MIAA Athlete Geniuses are less smart and less athletic than her kids.

4) Comment generated: "these schools let almost ANYONE in!"

The fact is that MS admission rate is <50% for 6th grade at every school, and closer to 10% at 7th and 8th grade. Even at big bad mediocre Loyola, they are looking to add 10 new kids in 7th grade and 10 more in 8th grade before adding 100 (out of 400 applicants) in 9th grade.

Do you think they can't be or aren't selective with 10 spots to play with?

Even in 6th grade, these schools are looking to fill 25-60 spots. Do you really think just 50 kids apply lol. "oh they let anyone in these places!"

Yeah. Maybe.

Your argument points out something interesting when you shine the light on the fact that: Families have a 50% chance to get in at Middle school. And there are plenty of kids who have no right being in those schools, but get in anyway.

Promising the MS kids a spot in the high school, but then being "selective" with those final few spots, does not make a school selective.

It means the schools prefer kids/families enter at middle school.

It's a sales/marketing technique.

Many parents opt for free public or cheap(er) private school through middle school. So this technique of admissions helps ensure the middle school stays full.

Now we know you are a troll. Never talk about it, kid is super young, starter, elite…. Your kid is a march 2008 birthday and you are playing out the string hoping for no age changes before your kid hits high school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One of the many great thing about travel lacrosse is that it prepares boys for high school and college sports, which in turn prepare them for real life. Look at the holdback debate this way. Families who are successful, rich, and well connected find a way to make the system work in their favor. Those who do not fall into those categories can take one of two paths - figure out a way to thrive and be happy within the system, or complain endlessly how the successful, rich, and well connected get their way. That is travel lacrosse, and that is real life, whether you like it or not.

summary.
This may be applicable when the boys are young men, in HS, etc. but to teach your son you have to cheat in the youth level to get ahead makes you a POS.
Nothing like watching Mortimore & Randolph's 15yr old thump on 13yr old's.

It's actually a very true and accurate summary. Lacrosse is not a meritocracy, and neither are most things in life.

My son lost his spot on a national team to a double holdback and a single holdback, both from out of state. I mean oh well? Now....how it was handled was embarrassing on the club's part. But the decision was fine, and my kid gets it too.

What it means to the kids who are heldback? My son's experience with them is that they feel pretty embarrassed by it except when they are out on the field, being awesome. The decision was made by their parents. The parents usually are evasive about it as well. They know it's a [Censored] move. Their kids know too. How is that different than any other type of entitled parenting, like legacy admissions to college, getting a $60K job at your parents' business the day you graduate college, having someone else pay your college tuition, etc?

When is it going to be fair? Never.

You lost credibility when you said lost a spot on a national team to an out of state kid.

There are no out of state kids on national teams.

You just feel entitled to a spot for some reason. You are as big a part of the problem with lacrosse as anyone.
Entitled parents raising entitled kids crying when they don’t get their way.

Your reading comprehension skills are...Chesapeake HS vintage, maybe 1995?

Nobody's entitled to anything. Certainly not a spot on any competitive team at work, school or sports. Which my post made clear. And the fact is that most people who clamor for "MeRiToCrAcY" started on 3rd base anyway.

Cmon CHS Cougars, three roars for reading riting and recidivism!!! raawwwwwr

Honest yes or no:

Was your son better than the two players you say “took his spot?”

He was not, which, for the 4th? time? I say "nobody's entitled to anything." Kid made another national roster a month later. And plays up a year freelancing for other clubs, in addition to his regular club. Pretty sure he'll be OK.

I'll try to dense it down to Baltimore Sun readership (4th grade equivalent) since clearly that is what's required for you:

15 year old more bigger than 13 year old.
Make 13 year old look small and slow.
No call back
Not fair but not break rules.
Life go on.
Oh well.

It’s obvious what team you are talking about. And what team you son got cut from. I know the families and no one is 15.

Just stop lying on the internet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now we know you are a troll. Never talk about it, kid is super young, starter, elite…. Your kid is a march 2008 birthday and you are playing out the string hoping for no age changes before your kid hits high school.

Been following these comments and I agree. For reference my kid plays (not starter) on-age elite, and freelances with non-elite "AAA" or whatever teams a year up....tournaments, box etc. He is mentally mature....for his age...but after all he is 13.

And yes we talk about holdbacks. When a double holdback boarded him with a cross check to the back of the head in box, resulting in a concussion, we talked about it. When he took a full speed cross check to the neck from a holdback, while my kid was playing up a year, causing the refs to clear the field, yes, of course we talked about what that all meant. What a weird flex to be all, "Oh we have never really talked about holdbacks." What?

There are very few kids playing up consistently after 7th grade and I could name several who played up through 6th, and no longer play lax at all. The idea that a kid, unknown to anyone, is playing up 2 years at elite, and is a starter (meaning, he's already starting against holdbacks 3 years older than him) is laughable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are the 27s heading for high school?

I will give the lax dads of the 2026s props...compared to the 2027s, there is not as much of (at this moment), "Well my son is HIGHLY recruited and got a personal call from X coach at X HS."

That being said, it's a hard process, even with Lax Eliteness. From what I know of past years, % admission to the various HS is not a walk in the park. The least restrictive......Curley and MSJ, accept about 50% of applicants. The academically more prestigious large MIAA-A schools (Gilman, McD, Loyola) accept about 25%. Severn, St Marys, St Pauls and BL.......I think closer to 10% these days because the middle schools are swelling with kids whose parents got fed up with public schools during covid. Not an indicator of athletic or academic eliteness but certainly competitive.

A few of those schools MAY only accept 10% at the HS level. But it's all a shell game-

Most Baltimore locals also know that some of those super selective schools let almost ANYONE in at the Middle school and 8th grade level.

Were you denied HS admissions at our "selective" school? Do you have questionable middle school grades heading into HS?

Just retake 8th grade...with us!

Where do you think "academic" and "development" holdbacks originally came from?

It's been happening at some of these schools for DECADES.

I'm a Towson dad of an MIAA MS kid who plays a few rec sports on his days off from lax/football. And I'll tell you exactly who makes this specific comment:

Moms of kids who are capable of MIAA academics and sports but choose to stay public.

Where the above comment is motivated from is

1) that there are a few kids (Gilman, SP, Loyola) who....yeah it's hard to know how they convinced the school to admit them. Boys Latin....maybe more than a few.

2) The moms of those kids, in some cases, strut around like they are hot stuff because their kid got into Gilman/LB/BL/SP in 6th grade.

3) Annoyed public school mom recognizes that some of the newly minted MIAA Athlete Geniuses are less smart and less athletic than her kids.

4) Comment generated: "these schools let almost ANYONE in!"

The fact is that MS admission rate is <50% for 6th grade at every school, and closer to 10% at 7th and 8th grade. Even at big bad mediocre Loyola, they are looking to add 10 new kids in 7th grade and 10 more in 8th grade before adding 100 (out of 400 applicants) in 9th grade.

Do you think they can't be or aren't selective with 10 spots to play with?

Even in 6th grade, these schools are looking to fill 25-60 spots. Do you really think just 50 kids apply lol. "oh they let anyone in these places!"

Yeah. Maybe.

Your argument points out something interesting when you shine the light on the fact that: Families have a 50% chance to get in at Middle school. And there are plenty of kids who have no right being in those schools, but get in anyway.

Promising the MS kids a spot in the high school, but then being "selective" with those final few spots, does not make a school selective.

It means the schools prefer kids/families enter at middle school.

It's a sales/marketing technique.

Many parents opt for free public or cheap(er) private school through middle school. So this technique of admissions helps ensure the middle school stays full.

You're in way over your head with your straw man argument. At <50% acceptance in middle schools, that is still a selective process, which doesn't mean that some duds aren't admitted....they are.

2022 acceptance rates, that in your words would be "not competitive" and "not selective":

Purdue 59%
UMass Amherst 58%
UM College Park 52%
Penn State 51%
Syracuse 48%
Villanova 48%
UT Austin 48%
U Florida 47%
NYU 39%

But I'm sure you'll brag about your kid playing coed club lax at JMU so, at least you'll have that. I'm sure he already has a plain white Cascade helmet to stick on a JMU sticker from the book store.

Well this discussion has sure jumped the shark. I can't even follow what is being said anymore.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I will give the lax dads of the 2026s props...compared to the 2027s, there is not as much of (at this moment), "Well my son is HIGHLY recruited and got a personal call from X coach at X HS."

That being said, it's a hard process, even with Lax Eliteness. From what I know of past years, % admission to the various HS is not a walk in the park. The least restrictive......Curley and MSJ, accept about 50% of applicants. The academically more prestigious large MIAA-A schools (Gilman, McD, Loyola) accept about 25%. Severn, St Marys, St Pauls and BL.......I think closer to 10% these days because the middle schools are swelling with kids whose parents got fed up with public schools during covid. Not an indicator of athletic or academic eliteness but certainly competitive.

A few of those schools MAY only accept 10% at the HS level. But it's all a shell game-

Most Baltimore locals also know that some of those super selective schools let almost ANYONE in at the Middle school and 8th grade level.

Were you denied HS admissions at our "selective" school? Do you have questionable middle school grades heading into HS?

Just retake 8th grade...with us!

Where do you think "academic" and "development" holdbacks originally came from?

It's been happening at some of these schools for DECADES.

I'm a Towson dad of an MIAA MS kid who plays a few rec sports on his days off from lax/football. And I'll tell you exactly who makes this specific comment:

Moms of kids who are capable of MIAA academics and sports but choose to stay public.

Where the above comment is motivated from is

1) that there are a few kids (Gilman, SP, Loyola) who....yeah it's hard to know how they convinced the school to admit them. Boys Latin....maybe more than a few.

2) The moms of those kids, in some cases, strut around like they are hot stuff because their kid got into Gilman/LB/BL/SP in 6th grade.

3) Annoyed public school mom recognizes that some of the newly minted MIAA Athlete Geniuses are less smart and less athletic than her kids.

4) Comment generated: "these schools let almost ANYONE in!"

The fact is that MS admission rate is <50% for 6th grade at every school, and closer to 10% at 7th and 8th grade. Even at big bad mediocre Loyola, they are looking to add 10 new kids in 7th grade and 10 more in 8th grade before adding 100 (out of 400 applicants) in 9th grade.

Do you think they can't be or aren't selective with 10 spots to play with?

Even in 6th grade, these schools are looking to fill 25-60 spots. Do you really think just 50 kids apply lol. "oh they let anyone in these places!"

Yeah. Maybe.

Your argument points out something interesting when you shine the light on the fact that: Families have a 50% chance to get in at Middle school. And there are plenty of kids who have no right being in those schools, but get in anyway.

Promising the MS kids a spot in the high school, but then being "selective" with those final few spots, does not make a school selective.

It means the schools prefer kids/families enter at middle school.

It's a sales/marketing technique.

Many parents opt for free public or cheap(er) private school through middle school. So this technique of admissions helps ensure the middle school stays full.

You're in way over your head with your straw man argument. At <50% acceptance in middle schools, that is still a selective process, which doesn't mean that some duds aren't admitted....they are.

2022 acceptance rates, that in your words would be "not competitive" and "not selective".

So you opted to get your kid enrolled early during Middle School.
The marketing worked on you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I will give the lax dads of the 2026s props...compared to the 2027s, there is not as much of (at this moment), "Well my son is HIGHLY recruited and got a personal call from X coach at X HS."

That being said, it's a hard process, even with Lax Eliteness. From what I know of past years, % admission to the various HS is not a walk in the park. The least restrictive......Curley and MSJ, accept about 50% of applicants. The academically more prestigious large MIAA-A schools (Gilman, McD, Loyola) accept about 25%. Severn, St Marys, St Pauls and BL.......I think closer to 10% these days because the middle schools are swelling with kids whose parents got fed up with public schools during covid. Not an indicator of athletic or academic eliteness but certainly competitive.

A few of those schools MAY only accept 10% at the HS level. But it's all a shell game-

Most Baltimore locals also know that some of those super selective schools let almost ANYONE in at the Middle school and 8th grade level.

Were you denied HS admissions at our "selective" school? Do you have questionable middle school grades heading into HS?

Just retake 8th grade...with us!

Where do you think "academic" and "development" holdbacks originally came from?

It's been happening at some of these schools for DECADES.

I'm a Towson dad of an MIAA MS kid who plays a few rec sports on his days off from lax/football. And I'll tell you exactly who makes this specific comment:

Moms of kids who are capable of MIAA academics and sports but choose to stay public.

Where the above comment is motivated from is

1) that there are a few kids (Gilman, SP, Loyola) who....yeah it's hard to know how they convinced the school to admit them. Boys Latin....maybe more than a few.

2) The moms of those kids, in some cases, strut around like they are hot stuff because their kid got into Gilman/LB/BL/SP in 6th grade.

3) Annoyed public school mom recognizes that some of the newly minted MIAA Athlete Geniuses are less smart and less athletic than her kids.

4) Comment generated: "these schools let almost ANYONE in!"

The fact is that MS admission rate is <50% for 6th grade at every school, and closer to 10% at 7th and 8th grade. Even at big bad mediocre Loyola, they are looking to add 10 new kids in 7th grade and 10 more in 8th grade before adding 100 (out of 400 applicants) in 9th grade.

Do you think they can't be or aren't selective with 10 spots to play with?

Even in 6th grade, these schools are looking to fill 25-60 spots. Do you really think just 50 kids apply lol. "oh they let anyone in these places!"

Yeah. Maybe.

Your argument points out something interesting when you shine the light on the fact that: Families have a 50% chance to get in at Middle school. And there are plenty of kids who have no right being in those schools, but get in anyway.

Promising the MS kids a spot in the high school, but then being "selective" with those final few spots, does not make a school selective.

It means the schools prefer kids/families enter at middle school.

It's a sales/marketing technique.

Many parents opt for free public or cheap(er) private school through middle school. So this technique of admissions helps ensure the middle school stays full.

You're in way over your head with your straw man argument. At <50% acceptance in middle schools, that is still a selective process, which doesn't mean that some duds aren't admitted....they are.

2022 acceptance rates, that in your words would be "not competitive" and "not selective".

So you opted to get your kid enrolled early during Middle School.
The marketing worked on you.

Yes - thank goodness for guardian angels like yourself, who are immune from marketing! Thank you for your service, sir!

Yaaaaawn..
...entry fee checks for the 23' tournament season have
been cashed boys. Holdback issue is done like dinner for this age group. I suggest we get back to discussing even more useless topics like rankings, obnoxious parents.etc...
Here's one for you. The NXT Spring league in Philly has 3 Top 10 ranked teams in it, making it on paper a tougher spring league than Hoco. Be cool to see the winner of that league play the winner of Hoco at the end of their respective seasons

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yaaaaawn..
...entry fee checks for the 23' tournament season have
been cashed boys. Holdback issue is done like dinner for this age group. I suggest we get back to discussing even more useless topics like rankings, obnoxious parents.etc...
Here's one for you. The NXT Spring league in Philly has 3 Top 10 ranked teams in it, making it on paper a tougher spring league than Hoco. Be cool to see the winner of that league play the winner of Hoco at the end of their respective seasons

So watching team ten beat the hawks again?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I will give the lax dads of the 2026s props...compared to the 2027s, there is not as much of (at this moment), "Well my son is HIGHLY recruited and got a personal call from X coach at X HS."

That being said, it's a hard process, even with Lax Eliteness. From what I know of past years, % admission to the various HS is not a walk in the park. The least restrictive......Curley and MSJ, accept about 50% of applicants. The academically more prestigious large MIAA-A schools (Gilman, McD, Loyola) accept about 25%. Severn, St Marys, St Pauls and BL.......I think closer to 10% these days because the middle schools are swelling with kids whose parents got fed up with public schools during covid. Not an indicator of athletic or academic eliteness but certainly competitive.

A few of those schools MAY only accept 10% at the HS level. But it's all a shell game-

Most Baltimore locals also know that some of those super selective schools let almost ANYONE in at the Middle school and 8th grade level.

Were you denied HS admissions at our "selective" school? Do you have questionable middle school grades heading into HS?

Just retake 8th grade...with us!

Where do you think "academic" and "development" holdbacks originally came from?

It's been happening at some of these schools for DECADES.

I'm a Towson dad of an MIAA MS kid who plays a few rec sports on his days off from lax/football. And I'll tell you exactly who makes this specific comment:

Moms of kids who are capable of MIAA academics and sports but choose to stay public.

Where the above comment is motivated from is

1) that there are a few kids (Gilman, SP, Loyola) who....yeah it's hard to know how they convinced the school to admit them. Boys Latin....maybe more than a few.

2) The moms of those kids, in some cases, strut around like they are hot stuff because their kid got into Gilman/LB/BL/SP in 6th grade.

3) Annoyed public school mom recognizes that some of the newly minted MIAA Athlete Geniuses are less smart and less athletic than her kids.

4) Comment generated: "these schools let almost ANYONE in!"

The fact is that MS admission rate is <50% for 6th grade at every school, and closer to 10% at 7th and 8th grade. Even at big bad mediocre Loyola, they are looking to add 10 new kids in 7th grade and 10 more in 8th grade before adding 100 (out of 400 applicants) in 9th grade.

Do you think they can't be or aren't selective with 10 spots to play with?

Even in 6th grade, these schools are looking to fill 25-60 spots. Do you really think just 50 kids apply lol. "oh they let anyone in these places!"

Yeah. Maybe.

Your argument points out something interesting when you shine the light on the fact that: Families have a 50% chance to get in at Middle school. And there are plenty of kids who have no right being in those schools, but get in anyway.

Promising the MS kids a spot in the high school, but then being "selective" with those final few spots, does not make a school selective.

It means the schools prefer kids/families enter at middle school.

It's a sales/marketing technique.

Many parents opt for free public or cheap(er) private school through middle school. So this technique of admissions helps ensure the middle school stays full.

You're in way over your head with your straw man argument. At <50% acceptance in middle schools, that is still a selective process, which doesn't mean that some duds aren't admitted....they are.

2022 acceptance rates, that in your words would be "not competitive" and "not selective".

So you opted to get your kid enrolled early during Middle School.
The marketing worked on you.

Yes - thank goodness for guardian angels like yourself, who are immune from marketing! Thank you for your service, sir!

Just because these boys start in middle school doesn’t mean they’re any good.

Are they having the Club Nationals tournament in Florida this year, and if so, who is playing? My son's team isn't going this year and it's hard to find info on tourney app or the internet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are they having the Club Nationals tournament in Florida this year, and if so, who is playing? My son's team isn't going this year and it's hard to find info on tourney app or the internet.

It’s on tourney app and not surprised madlax gave themselves the easiest division. Interesting to see who wins it

Pretty weak overall field. Lots of 2nd national teams and okay clubs. Mad dog division is the weakest.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty weak overall field. Lots of 2nd national teams and okay clubs. Mad dog division is the weakest.

Anywhere the Sewer Rats play you can bet its a third tier tournament.

Looks like the Circuit and the MadLax event are competing with each other. The MadLax event looks to have a watered down field, and the teams that do go will probably have watered down rosters, which actually might help spare the MadLax from being embarrassed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty weak overall field. Lots of 2nd national teams and okay clubs. Mad dog division is the weakest.

Anywhere the Sewer Rats play you can bet its a third tier tournament.

So what is the deal with Sewer Rats? I assume the name is satire but who pays a ton of money to go to Florida over the holidays and play for a team named that? Bizarre.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty weak overall field. Lots of 2nd national teams and okay clubs. Mad dog division is the weakest.

Anywhere the Sewer Rats play you can bet its a third tier tournament.

So what is the deal with Sewer Rats? I assume the name is satire but who pays a ton of money to go to Florida over the holidays and play for a team named that? Bizarre.

True actively trying to poach other programs players:

The purpose of the Sewer Rats Program is to bring players and coaches together from various clubs across the country to compete in elite events and provide players with high-level coaching through our training camps and Zoom strategy sessions leading up to each event.

The Sewer Rats teams also serve as an evaluation hammerhead for players who are not already on our True National teams. These players get to compete at a higher level and get evaluated by more coaches. The emphasis of this program is on education; players get hours of training, both virtual and in-person, and they get to connect with other players and coaches from across the country to expand their network and compete on a national stage.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty weak overall field. Lots of 2nd national teams and okay clubs. Mad dog division is the weakest.

Anywhere the Sewer Rats play you can bet its a third tier tournament.

So what is the deal with Sewer Rats? I assume the name is satire but who pays a ton of money to go to Florida over the holidays and play for a team named that? Bizarre.

True actively trying to poach other programs players:

The purpose of the Sewer Rats Program is to bring players and coaches together from various clubs across the country to compete in elite events and provide players with high-level coaching through our training camps and Zoom strategy sessions leading up to each event.

The Sewer Rats teams also serve as an evaluation hammerhead for players who are not already on our True National teams. These players get to compete at a higher level and get evaluated by more coaches. The emphasis of this program is on education; players get hours of training, both virtual and in-person, and they get to connect with other players and coaches from across the country to expand their network and compete on a national stage.

Gotta make sure there is a national team opportunity for every player regardless of ability.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty weak overall field. Lots of 2nd national teams and okay clubs. Mad dog division is the weakest.

Anywhere the Sewer Rats play you can bet its a third tier tournament.

So what is the deal with Sewer Rats? I assume the name is satire but who pays a ton of money to go to Florida over the holidays and play for a team named that? Bizarre.

True actively trying to poach other programs players:

The purpose of the Sewer Rats Program is to bring players and coaches together from various clubs across the country to compete in elite events and provide players with high-level coaching through our training camps and Zoom strategy sessions leading up to each event.

The Sewer Rats teams also serve as an evaluation hammerhead for players who are not already on our True National teams. These players get to compete at a higher level and get evaluated by more coaches. The emphasis of this program is on education; players get hours of training, both virtual and in-person, and they get to connect with other players and coaches from across the country to expand their network and compete on a national stage.

Where do I sign Johnny up?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty weak overall field. Lots of 2nd national teams and okay clubs. Mad dog division is the weakest.

Anywhere the Sewer Rats play you can bet its a third tier tournament.

So what is the deal with Sewer Rats? I assume the name is satire but who pays a ton of money to go to Florida over the holidays and play for a team named that? Bizarre.

Money Grab . How many more National elite teams do we need ?? Pretty soon, C players will be on elite National Teams.

I still can't get over the name Sewer Rats. Anybody know why True gave these teams such a pejorative name?

Can anyone explain the NLF to me? I understand that there are an original 6 and also a group of affiliates. Seems to be alot of BS associated with these tournaments/teams....For instance, let's say you were a club on LI and your team was called something like "Team 19" (this is hypothetical). Let's say there was a strong club also on LI and let's say their team name was "Door 2 Door". Did you know in the NLF book of secrets/bylaws that if you're one of these Original 6 you can block a club from playing in these NLF tournaments? I just find it funny that on the front page of the NLF website in big bold letters it says "IRON SHARPENS IRON". This blocking rule flies completely in the face of true competition and is chicken BLEEP. Does anyone from other areas know of similar situations??? In the end we are talking about clubs, grown men, supposed ambassador's of the sport denying kids from the opportunity to compete which in my opinion flies in the face of why we even play sports and compete.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone explain the NLF to me? I understand that there are an original 6 and also a group of affiliates. Seems to be alot of BS associated with these tournaments/teams....For instance, let's say you were a club on LI and your team was called something like "Team 19" (this is hypothetical). Let's say there was a strong club also on LI and let's say their team name was "Door 2 Door". Did you know in the NLF book of secrets/bylaws that if you're one of these Original 6 you can block a club from playing in these NLF tournaments? I just find it funny that on the front page of the NLF website in big bold letters it says "IRON SHARPENS IRON". This blocking rule flies completely in the face of true competition and is chicken BLEEP. Does anyone from other areas know of similar situations??? In the end we are talking about clubs, grown men, supposed ambassador's of the sport denying kids from the opportunity to compete which in my opinion flies in the face of why we even play sports and compete.

Same deal in NJ. Leading Edge is a founding member of NLF and has blocked BBL, Tri-State, and other NJ programs from participating in the NLF.

This was a bigger deal 5-10 years ago when there were fewer options. There are now a ton of non-NLF tourneys that provide excellent visibility to top college programs (NAL, Naptown, Great 8, etc). If you're at a program that competes in these tourneys and can get you invited to the top showcases, than there's no reason to fret about NLF access.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty weak overall field. Lots of 2nd national teams and okay clubs. Mad dog division is the weakest.

Anywhere the Sewer Rats play you can bet its a third tier tournament.

So what is the deal with Sewer Rats? I assume the name is satire but who pays a ton of money to go to Florida over the holidays and play for a team named that? Bizarre.

True actively trying to poach other programs players:

The purpose of the Sewer Rats Program is to bring players and coaches together from various clubs across the country to compete in elite events and provide players with high-level coaching through our training camps and Zoom strategy sessions leading up to each event.

The Sewer Rats teams also serve as an evaluation hammerhead for players who are not already on our True National teams. These players get to compete at a higher level and get evaluated by more coaches. The emphasis of this program is on education; players get hours of training, both virtual and in-person, and they get to connect with other players and coaches from across the country to expand their network and compete on a national stage.

So, I like to dunk on True every chance I get, but this sounds like they are trying to assemble teams for the Circuit for next year. Kids on True National (the real one in IL) play for Team 18, Red Hots, and other Circuit teams already. So.....business yes, money grab, probably.

Back to dunking on True.....one thing I continue to find is that anyone promising "evaluation by coaches" is never going to give you an actual evaluation of your son's performance.

And "virtual training" - Team 18 just announced something like this as well (subscription based, mainly pre-recorded content). I'm sure both are trying to replicate the FCL model, which has proven useful for some players. Generally OK for HS kids who have the attention span to really watch and learn from film sessions, fine. For MS kids - it's hard enough just to get them to watch relevant film at all. Money grab.

So watching team ten beat the hawks again?

Mesa

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone explain the NLF to me? I understand that there are an original 6 and also a group of affiliates. Seems to be alot of BS associated with these tournaments/teams....For instance, let's say you were a club on LI and your team was called something like "Team 19" (this is hypothetical). Let's say there was a strong club also on LI and let's say their team name was "Door 2 Door". Did you know in the NLF book of secrets/bylaws that if you're one of these Original 6 you can block a club from playing in these NLF tournaments? I just find it funny that on the front page of the NLF website in big bold letters it says "IRON SHARPENS IRON". This blocking rule flies completely in the face of true competition and is chicken BLEEP. Does anyone from other areas know of similar situations??? In the end we are talking about clubs, grown men, supposed ambassador's of the sport denying kids from the opportunity to compete which in my opinion flies in the face of why we even play sports and compete.

Same deal in NJ. Leading Edge is a founding member of NLF and has blocked BBL, Tri-State, and other NJ programs from participating in the NLF.

This was a bigger deal 5-10 years ago when there were fewer options. There are now a ton of non-NLF tourneys that provide excellent visibility to top college programs (NAL, Naptown, Great 8, etc). If you're at a program that competes in these tourneys and can get you invited to the top showcases, than there's no reason to fret about NLF access.

Spot on. In the DC metro, MadLax has the power to block out competitors, which is why NextLevel, a team that beat MadLax by 10 goals in their HoCo playoff game last spring, does not play in NLF. but as the PP said, it doesn't really matter anymore because there are so many zillions of opportunities for the good players and good teams to get exposure.

ML is blocking NL from NLF? That's false. ML is only an affiliate member. Check your facts or maybe ask your coach why they won't let them in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone explain the NLF to me? I understand that there are an original 6 and also a group of affiliates. Seems to be alot of BS associated with these tournaments/teams....For instance, let's say you were a club on LI and your team was called something like "Team 19" (this is hypothetical). Let's say there was a strong club also on LI and let's say their team name was "Door 2 Door". Did you know in the NLF book of secrets/bylaws that if you're one of these Original 6 you can block a club from playing in these NLF tournaments? I just find it funny that on the front page of the NLF website in big bold letters it says "IRON SHARPENS IRON". This blocking rule flies completely in the face of true competition and is chicken BLEEP. Does anyone from other areas know of similar situations??? In the end we are talking about clubs, grown men, supposed ambassador's of the sport denying kids from the opportunity to compete which in my opinion flies in the face of why we even play sports and compete.

Your understanding is basically correct, but you should not get preachy or worked up about it. Elite level travel lacrosse is a very profitable big business (if done right) and the clubs compete against each other in every way they possibly can, just like all businesses do. These six programs formed a clever opportunity to freeze out competitors and they seized it. Good for them. But there are tons of opportunities for kids to play lacrosse at every level from rec up to elite. To get upset because your son's team does not play in any particular tournament is self-inflicted agony and a first world problem. Trust me, your son will survive, and if he is a good player with good grades, the college coaches will find him just fine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone explain the NLF to me? I understand that there are an original 6 and also a group of affiliates. Seems to be alot of BS associated with these tournaments/teams....For instance, let's say you were a club on LI and your team was called something like "Team 19" (this is hypothetical). Let's say there was a strong club also on LI and let's say their team name was "Door 2 Door". Did you know in the NLF book of secrets/bylaws that if you're one of these Original 6 you can block a club from playing in these NLF tournaments? I just find it funny that on the front page of the NLF website in big bold letters it says "IRON SHARPENS IRON". This blocking rule flies completely in the face of true competition and is chicken BLEEP. Does anyone from other areas know of similar situations??? In the end we are talking about clubs, grown men, supposed ambassador's of the sport denying kids from the opportunity to compete which in my opinion flies in the face of why we even play sports and compete.

Your understanding is basically correct, but you should not get preachy or worked up about it. Elite level travel lacrosse is a very profitable big business (if done right) and the clubs compete against each other in every way they possibly can, just like all businesses do. These six programs formed a clever opportunity to freeze out competitors and they seized it. Good for them. But there are tons of opportunities for kids to play lacrosse at every level from rec up to elite. To get upset because your son's team does not play in any particular tournament is self-inflicted agony and a first world problem. Trust me, your son will survive, and if he is a good player with good grades, the college coaches will find him just fine.

Didn’t sound preachy to me. I believe he called it chicken bleep, which that is exactly what it is, chicken bleep

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty weak overall field. Lots of 2nd national teams and okay clubs. Mad dog division is the weakest.

Anywhere the Sewer Rats play you can bet its a third tier tournament.

So what is the deal with Sewer Rats? I assume the name is satire but who pays a ton of money to go to Florida over the holidays and play for a team named that? Bizarre.

True actively trying to poach other programs players:

The purpose of the Sewer Rats Program is to bring players and coaches together from various clubs across the country to compete in elite events and provide players with high-level coaching through our training camps and Zoom strategy sessions leading up to each event.

The Sewer Rats teams also serve as an evaluation hammerhead for players who are not already on our True National teams. These players get to compete at a higher level and get evaluated by more coaches. The emphasis of this program is on education; players get hours of training, both virtual and in-person, and they get to connect with other players and coaches from across the country to expand their network and compete on a national stage.

So, I like to dunk on True every chance I get, but this sounds like they are trying to assemble teams for the Circuit for next year. Kids on True National (the real one in IL) play for Team 18, Red Hots, and other Circuit teams already. So.....business yes, money grab, probably.

Back to dunking on True.....one thing I continue to find is that anyone promising "evaluation by coaches" is never going to give you an actual evaluation of your son's performance.

And "virtual training" - Team 18 just announced something like this as well (subscription based, mainly pre-recorded content). I'm sure both are trying to replicate the FCL model, which has proven useful for some players. Generally OK for HS kids who have the attention span to really watch and learn from film sessions, fine. For MS kids - it's hard enough just to get them to watch relevant film at all. Money grab.

Sewer Rats results below to draw your own conclusions. Wonder if the young men involved had a great "experience".

2023/4 - 2 and 3 (6 out of 8)
2025 - 2 and 3 (10 out of 13)
2026 - 0 and 5 (17 out of 17)
2027 - 1 and 4 (12 out of 16)
2028 - 1 and 4 (13 out of 15)
2029 - 1 and 4 (10 out of 12)
2030 - 1 and 4 (7 out of 8)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone explain the NLF to me? I understand that there are an original 6 and also a group of affiliates. Seems to be alot of BS associated with these tournaments/teams....For instance, let's say you were a club on LI and your team was called something like "Team 19" (this is hypothetical). Let's say there was a strong club also on LI and let's say their team name was "Door 2 Door". Did you know in the NLF book of secrets/bylaws that if you're one of these Original 6 you can block a club from playing in these NLF tournaments? I just find it funny that on the front page of the NLF website in big bold letters it says "IRON SHARPENS IRON". This blocking rule flies completely in the face of true competition and is chicken BLEEP. Does anyone from other areas know of similar situations??? In the end we are talking about clubs, grown men, supposed ambassador's of the sport denying kids from the opportunity to compete which in my opinion flies in the face of why we even play sports and compete.

Your understanding is basically correct, but you should not get preachy or worked up about it. Elite level travel lacrosse is a very profitable big business (if done right) and the clubs compete against each other in every way they possibly can, just like all businesses do. These six programs formed a clever opportunity to freeze out competitors and they seized it. Good for them. But there are tons of opportunities for kids to play lacrosse at every level from rec up to elite. To get upset because your son's team does not play in any particular tournament is self-inflicted agony and a first world problem. Trust me, your son will survive, and if he is a good player with good grades, the college coaches will find him just fine.

Didn’t sound preachy to me. I believe he called it chicken bleep, which that is exactly what it is, chicken bleep

it sounded like the poster (and you) have a chip on your shoulder about your son's program not getting to play in NLF. trust me, it is not that big a deal and not worth getting upset about. I have two sons in different programs, one who plays NLF and one who doesn't, and it just doesn't matter. but if it is important to you, then just have your son join one of the many programs that does play. it is not limited to just those six.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sewer Rats results below to draw your own conclusions. Wonder if the young men involved had a great "experience".

2023/4 - 2 and 3 (6 out of 8)
2025 - 2 and 3 (10 out of 13)
2026 - 0 and 5 (17 out of 17)
2027 - 1 and 4 (12 out of 16)
2028 - 1 and 4 (13 out of 15)
2029 - 1 and 4 (10 out of 12)
2030 - 1 and 4 (7 out of 8)

The only group I really feel bad for are the 2026s. This is an "oh no, I'm on the wrong track" moment for these 9th graders.

For the 2023, 2024, and 2025 boys, they know what's up and so do their parents at this point. Hope they had a fun trip to FL.

For the younger groups (especially 2029 and 2030), whatever, it's a trip to FL.

But yeah I have to admit, could have done a cheaper and easier and probably more fun trip to FL without True and this event.

Hot take: if True really wanted to develop these players, have them come down to FL for a 2.5 day training camp to play each other. But they can't charge as much for that so......

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone explain the NLF to me? I understand that there are an original 6 and also a group of affiliates. Seems to be alot of BS associated with these tournaments/teams....For instance, let's say you were a club on LI and your team was called something like "Team 19" (this is hypothetical). Let's say there was a strong club also on LI and let's say their team name was "Door 2 Door". Did you know in the NLF book of secrets/bylaws that if you're one of these Original 6 you can block a club from playing in these NLF tournaments? I just find it funny that on the front page of the NLF website in big bold letters it says "IRON SHARPENS IRON". This blocking rule flies completely in the face of true competition and is chicken BLEEP. Does anyone from other areas know of similar situations??? In the end we are talking about clubs, grown men, supposed ambassador's of the sport denying kids from the opportunity to compete which in my opinion flies in the face of why we even play sports and compete.

First of all, you need understand, this is lacrosse. It’s a business first and a kids sport a distant second. It’s not fair, it’s all political and one huge money grab. It is what it is. However, if you choose to go this route, and you want to give your kid all of the tools and opportunities to take it as far as he possibly can, then the NLF is absolutely your best route to go. Absolutely not arguable. He will simply get opportunities that others will not get. I went this route with my son, and he’s committed to a premier D1 program and tier 1 institution. Did I mention it won’t be costing me a dime? Obviously I spent about 50k on travel lax over the years, but turned out to be money well spent. Had he not had the exposure from his NLF team, I have no doubt that it would have turned out differently. You have one shot at this. It will drive you nuts and empty your wallet in the process. But if you want what is truely the best opportunity for your son, I highly recommend that you go with a well known, well respected NLF brand. Good luck!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone explain the NLF to me? I understand that there are an original 6 and also a group of affiliates. Seems to be alot of BS associated with these tournaments/teams....For instance, let's say you were a club on LI and your team was called something like "Team 19" (this is hypothetical). Let's say there was a strong club also on LI and let's say their team name was "Door 2 Door". Did you know in the NLF book of secrets/bylaws that if you're one of these Original 6 you can block a club from playing in these NLF tournaments? I just find it funny that on the front page of the NLF website in big bold letters it says "IRON SHARPENS IRON". This blocking rule flies completely in the face of true competition and is chicken BLEEP. Does anyone from other areas know of similar situations??? In the end we are talking about clubs, grown men, supposed ambassador's of the sport denying kids from the opportunity to compete which in my opinion flies in the face of why we even play sports and compete.

First of all, you need understand, this is lacrosse. It’s a business first and a kids sport a distant second. It’s not fair, it’s all political and one huge money grab. It is what it is. However, if you choose to go this route, and you want to give your kid all of the tools and opportunities to take it as far as he possibly can, then the NLF is absolutely your best route to go. Absolutely not arguable. He will simply get opportunities that others will not get. I went this route with my son, and he’s committed to a premier D1 program and tier 1 institution. Did I mention it won’t be costing me a dime? Obviously I spent about 50k on travel lax over the years, but turned out to be money well spent. Had he not had the exposure from his NLF team, I have no doubt that it would have turned out differently. You have one shot at this. It will drive you nuts and empty your wallet in the process. But if you want what is truely the best opportunity for your son, I highly recommend that you go with a well known, well respected NLF brand. Good luck!

Some of those non-NLF teams you speak of did have a chance years ago to get in on the ground floor when the NLF started and said no thanks which is why you don’t see them at these tournaments. They had their chance and said no thanks, can’t blame the NLF. They are being loyal to the teams that said Yes and joined.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone explain the NLF to me? I understand that there are an original 6 and also a group of affiliates. Seems to be alot of BS associated with these tournaments/teams....For instance, let's say you were a club on LI and your team was called something like "Team 19" (this is hypothetical). Let's say there was a strong club also on LI and let's say their team name was "Door 2 Door". Did you know in the NLF book of secrets/bylaws that if you're one of these Original 6 you can block a club from playing in these NLF tournaments? I just find it funny that on the front page of the NLF website in big bold letters it says "IRON SHARPENS IRON". This blocking rule flies completely in the face of true competition and is chicken BLEEP. Does anyone from other areas know of similar situations??? In the end we are talking about clubs, grown men, supposed ambassador's of the sport denying kids from the opportunity to compete which in my opinion flies in the face of why we even play sports and compete.

First of all, you need understand, this is lacrosse. It’s a business first and a kids sport a distant second. It’s not fair, it’s all political and one huge money grab. It is what it is. However, if you choose to go this route, and you want to give your kid all of the tools and opportunities to take it as far as he possibly can, then the NLF is absolutely your best route to go. Absolutely not arguable. He will simply get opportunities that others will not get. I went this route with my son, and he’s committed to a premier D1 program and tier 1 institution. Did I mention it won’t be costing me a dime? Obviously I spent about 50k on travel lax over the years, but turned out to be money well spent. Had he not had the exposure from his NLF team, I have no doubt that it would have turned out differently. You have one shot at this. It will drive you nuts and empty your wallet in the process. But if you want what is truely the best opportunity for your son, I highly recommend that you go with a well known, well respected NLF brand. Good luck!

I call troll on this one. You gave yourself away when you said that your son's premier D1 college program won't cost you a dime. Division 1 teams spread 12.6 scholarships among 30-40 players with each player getting somewhere between 10% and 50%. Unless your son is named Gait or Powell he is not getting 100%.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone explain the NLF to me? I understand that there are an original 6 and also a group of affiliates. Seems to be alot of BS associated with these tournaments/teams....For instance, let's say you were a club on LI and your team was called something like "Team 19" (this is hypothetical). Let's say there was a strong club also on LI and let's say their team name was "Door 2 Door". Did you know in the NLF book of secrets/bylaws that if you're one of these Original 6 you can block a club from playing in these NLF tournaments? I just find it funny that on the front page of the NLF website in big bold letters it says "IRON SHARPENS IRON". This blocking rule flies completely in the face of true competition and is chicken BLEEP. Does anyone from other areas know of similar situations??? In the end we are talking about clubs, grown men, supposed ambassador's of the sport denying kids from the opportunity to compete which in my opinion flies in the face of why we even play sports and compete.

First of all, you need understand, this is lacrosse. It’s a business first and a kids sport a distant second. It’s not fair, it’s all political and one huge money grab. It is what it is. However, if you choose to go this route, and you want to give your kid all of the tools and opportunities to take it as far as he possibly can, then the NLF is absolutely your best route to go. Absolutely not arguable. He will simply get opportunities that others will not get. I went this route with my son, and he’s committed to a premier D1 program and tier 1 institution. Did I mention it won’t be costing me a dime? Obviously I spent about 50k on travel lax over the years, but turned out to be money well spent. Had he not had the exposure from his NLF team, I have no doubt that it would have turned out differently. You have one shot at this. It will drive you nuts and empty your wallet in the process. But if you want what is truely the best opportunity for your son, I highly recommend that you go with a well known, well respected NLF brand. Good luck!

I call troll on this one. You gave yourself away when you said that your son's premier D1 college program won't cost you a dime. Division 1 teams spread 12.6 scholarships among 30-40 players with each player getting somewhere between 10% and 50%. Unless your son is named Gait or Powell he is not getting 100%.

If he's Catholic, a Catholic prep school product and a holdback, and potentially at a Catholic D1 program, he could be getting a mix of academic and faith based support as well. If he played club lax definitely not need based aid lol.

The upside to NLF is if your kid gets significant playing time at NLF events, he will get seen by the coaches of the most competitive programs. That upside applies to 12-15 kids per club roster. The other 15-25 kids on the roster, lol, thanks for the funds.

Rest assured that the premier D1 coaches at NLF events are not there to see Madlax's #8 midfielder and 91's #4 goalie and Crabs' #3 LSM.

Send your kid to clubs and events where he'll be on the field. Don't let your ego, including shiny helmets or the NLF brand or "nAtIoNaL tEaM X", get you by the wallet if it's not realistically going to benefit your kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone explain the NLF to me? I understand that there are an original 6 and also a group of affiliates. Seems to be alot of BS associated with these tournaments/teams....For instance, let's say you were a club on LI and your team was called something like "Team 19" (this is hypothetical). Let's say there was a strong club also on LI and let's say their team name was "Door 2 Door". Did you know in the NLF book of secrets/bylaws that if you're one of these Original 6 you can block a club from playing in these NLF tournaments? I just find it funny that on the front page of the NLF website in big bold letters it says "IRON SHARPENS IRON". This blocking rule flies completely in the face of true competition and is chicken BLEEP. Does anyone from other areas know of similar situations??? In the end we are talking about clubs, grown men, supposed ambassador's of the sport denying kids from the opportunity to compete which in my opinion flies in the face of why we even play sports and compete.

First of all, you need understand, this is lacrosse. It’s a business first and a kids sport a distant second. It’s not fair, it’s all political and one huge money grab. It is what it is. However, if you choose to go this route, and you want to give your kid all of the tools and opportunities to take it as far as he possibly can, then the NLF is absolutely your best route to go. Absolutely not arguable. He will simply get opportunities that others will not get. I went this route with my son, and he’s committed to a premier D1 program and tier 1 institution. Did I mention it won’t be costing me a dime? Obviously I spent about 50k on travel lax over the years, but turned out to be money well spent. Had he not had the exposure from his NLF team, I have no doubt that it would have turned out differently. You have one shot at this. It will drive you nuts and empty your wallet in the process. But if you want what is truely the best opportunity for your son, I highly recommend that you go with a well known, well respected NLF brand. Good luck!

I call troll on this one. You gave yourself away when you said that your son's premier D1 college program won't cost you a dime. Division 1 teams spread 12.6 scholarships among 30-40 players with each player getting somewhere between 10% and 50%. Unless your son is named Gait or Powell he is not getting 100%.

Your comments represent the misconception in lacrosse. We all know there are 12.5 scholarships. However, there are a lot of very good D1 teams competing for top prospects. By top prospects, I’m referring to the top 150 players or so. If your kid is on a top team, he will automatically be on these teams radars. If he is a good player (not necessarily a great player) he will be a highly sought after recruit. There are more good D1 programs than ever before. An enormous amount of parody at the top. This means that there is more competition than ever for these players that have been pegged as top players in their class. These players have an enormous amount of leverage and power over these coaches that are recruiting them. They are in the drivers seat. Not the D1 coaches. My son was one of those kids. I have no doubt in my mind he was there because of the team that he played on. If he was on a less successful and less known team, he would not be in same position. My son got an 85% scholarship at a very prestigious school with a top lacrosse program. He will get between 10k and 20k in NIL money per year and will also get academic based incentives. Not only will everything be paid for, I expect to be in the black when college is over. Sounds impossible? It’s not. I know of several other kids who got similar deals and none of the are named Spallina, Gait or Thompson. That money is out there, and not just reserved for that one generational talent, due to the reasons mentioned above. That’s why what team your kid plays for is so extremely important. Obviously your kid has to be good. If you can objectively say that he might have what it takes, then do him and you a favor and get on the right team. Hugely important, as it insures premier exposure when the recruiting begins. It’s can literally be the difference between what we got and getting absolutely zero and going to some no name school. Yeah. It’s big.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone explain the NLF to me? I understand that there are an original 6 and also a group of affiliates. Seems to be alot of BS associated with these tournaments/teams....For instance, let's say you were a club on LI and your team was called something like "Team 19" (this is hypothetical). Let's say there was a strong club also on LI and let's say their team name was "Door 2 Door". Did you know in the NLF book of secrets/bylaws that if you're one of these Original 6 you can block a club from playing in these NLF tournaments? I just find it funny that on the front page of the NLF website in big bold letters it says "IRON SHARPENS IRON". This blocking rule flies completely in the face of true competition and is chicken BLEEP. Does anyone from other areas know of similar situations??? In the end we are talking about clubs, grown men, supposed ambassador's of the sport denying kids from the opportunity to compete which in my opinion flies in the face of why we even play sports and compete.

First of all, you need understand, this is lacrosse. It’s a business first and a kids sport a distant second. It’s not fair, it’s all political and one huge money grab. It is what it is. However, if you choose to go this route, and you want to give your kid all of the tools and opportunities to take it as far as he possibly can, then the NLF is absolutely your best route to go. Absolutely not arguable. He will simply get opportunities that others will not get. I went this route with my son, and he’s committed to a premier D1 program and tier 1 institution. Did I mention it won’t be costing me a dime? Obviously I spent about 50k on travel lax over the years, but turned out to be money well spent. Had he not had the exposure from his NLF team, I have no doubt that it would have turned out differently. You have one shot at this. It will drive you nuts and empty your wallet in the process. But if you want what is truely the best opportunity for your son, I highly recommend that you go with a well known, well respected NLF brand. Good luck!

I call troll on this one. You gave yourself away when you said that your son's premier D1 college program won't cost you a dime. Division 1 teams spread 12.6 scholarships among 30-40 players with each player getting somewhere between 10% and 50%. Unless your son is named Gait or Powell he is not getting 100%.

Your comments represent the misconception in lacrosse. We all know there are 12.5 scholarships. However, there are a lot of very good D1 teams competing for top prospects. By top prospects, I’m referring to the top 150 players or so. If your kid is on a top team, he will automatically be on these teams radars. If he is a good player (not necessarily a great player) he will be a highly sought after recruit. There are more good D1 programs than ever before. An enormous amount of parody at the top. This means that there is more competition than ever for these players that have been pegged as top players in their class. These players have an enormous amount of leverage and power over these coaches that are recruiting them. They are in the drivers seat. Not the D1 coaches. My son was one of those kids. I have no doubt in my mind he was there because of the team that he played on. If he was on a less successful and less known team, he would not be in same position. My son got an 85% scholarship at a very prestigious school with a top lacrosse program. He will get between 10k and 20k in NIL money per year and will also get academic based incentives. Not only will everything be paid for, I expect to be in the black when college is over. Sounds impossible? It’s not. I know of several other kids who got similar deals and none of the are named Spallina, Gait or Thompson. That money is out there, and not just reserved for that one generational talent, due to the reasons mentioned above. That’s why what team your kid plays for is so extremely important. Obviously your kid has to be good. If you can objectively say that he might have what it takes, then do him and you a favor and get on the right team. Hugely important, as it insures premier exposure when the recruiting begins. It’s can literally be the difference between what we got and getting absolutely zero and going to some no name school. Yeah. It’s big.

D2 (top 20 team) dad here. Received about 50% aid, mostly merit aid for athletes with serious academic prospects.

If you're not trolling these poor people, you are accidentally leaving out a key caveat that the last post mentioned. "Get your kid on the right team WHERE HE GETS SIGNIFICANT PLAYING TIME." Starting in middle school in MD, rosters hit 25, 30+ on club teams. Last summer, the Team 91MD 2028 team was rocking 30+ rostered kids plus guest players (recruited from Kelly Post and FCA). Let's make the safe assumption that the roster "doesn't shrink" as years go on. How many of those 34+ kids have prospects to be elite, fully funded D1 athletes - or even want that for themselves....once they learn what "being a D1 athlete" is really about?

If "team fit" and "playing time" aren't on your mind by the end of 8th grade, they need to be, this poster is correct about that. But getting them on an NLF team "to be seen" is assuming a lot of things from kids, 1/3 of whom haven't hit puberty and probably 2/3 of whom have never kissed a girl and 100% of whom don't know what it takes to be the kind of lax recruit to get a full/near full ride to a premier D1 school.........3.9+, AP classes, other extracurriculars, and lax workouts allllll year long. They've never even attended a high school class!

If your 8th grader is yapping "Yeah I'm playing at Princeton all the way, for free!" and doesn't pick up a stick for 3 days at a time in the winter, is rocking a basic 3.4 GPA, and hasn't been in an honors or AP class yet, yeah, now is the time to help enlighten him about what the next 3.5 years are going to look like.

And "NLF dad" posting above is kind of right about that, without saying it....the best way for the boys to find "comfort in discomfort" through this process is to surround themselves with other winners who are driven. And don't assume you have that locked in as a father - easily 1/3 of prep school boys and 1/2 of public school boys plan to bounce through HS with minimum effort possible. Who your kid associates with all day is as important as his club's NLF membership, or more so.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone explain the NLF to me? I understand that there are an original 6 and also a group of affiliates. Seems to be alot of BS associated with these tournaments/teams....For instance, let's say you were a club on LI and your team was called something like "Team 19" (this is hypothetical). Let's say there was a strong club also on LI and let's say their team name was "Door 2 Door". Did you know in the NLF book of secrets/bylaws that if you're one of these Original 6 you can block a club from playing in these NLF tournaments? I just find it funny that on the front page of the NLF website in big bold letters it says "IRON SHARPENS IRON". This blocking rule flies completely in the face of true competition and is chicken BLEEP. Does anyone from other areas know of similar situations??? In the end we are talking about clubs, grown men, supposed ambassador's of the sport denying kids from the opportunity to compete which in my opinion flies in the face of why we even play sports and compete.

First of all, you need understand, this is lacrosse. It’s a business first and a kids sport a distant second. It’s not fair, it’s all political and one huge money grab. It is what it is. However, if you choose to go this route, and you want to give your kid all of the tools and opportunities to take it as far as he possibly can, then the NLF is absolutely your best route to go. Absolutely not arguable. He will simply get opportunities that others will not get. I went this route with my son, and he’s committed to a premier D1 program and tier 1 institution. Did I mention it won’t be costing me a dime? Obviously I spent about 50k on travel lax over the years, but turned out to be money well spent. Had he not had the exposure from his NLF team, I have no doubt that it would have turned out differently. You have one shot at this. It will drive you nuts and empty your wallet in the process. But if you want what is truely the best opportunity for your son, I highly recommend that you go with a well known, well respected NLF brand. Good luck!

I call troll on this one. You gave yourself away when you said that your son's premier D1 college program won't cost you a dime. Division 1 teams spread 12.6 scholarships among 30-40 players with each player getting somewhere between 10% and 50%. Unless your son is named Gait or Powell he is not getting 100%.

Your comments represent the misconception in lacrosse. We all know there are 12.5 scholarships. However, there are a lot of very good D1 teams competing for top prospects. By top prospects, I’m referring to the top 150 players or so. If your kid is on a top team, he will automatically be on these teams radars. If he is a good player (not necessarily a great player) he will be a highly sought after recruit. There are more good D1 programs than ever before. An enormous amount of parody at the top. This means that there is more competition than ever for these players that have been pegged as top players in their class. These players have an enormous amount of leverage and power over these coaches that are recruiting them. They are in the drivers seat. Not the D1 coaches. My son was one of those kids. I have no doubt in my mind he was there because of the team that he played on. If he was on a less successful and less known team, he would not be in same position. My son got an 85% scholarship at a very prestigious school with a top lacrosse program. He will get between 10k and 20k in NIL money per year and will also get academic based incentives. Not only will everything be paid for, I expect to be in the black when college is over. Sounds impossible? It’s not. I know of several other kids who got similar deals and none of the are named Spallina, Gait or Thompson. That money is out there, and not just reserved for that one generational talent, due to the reasons mentioned above. That’s why what team your kid plays for is so extremely important. Obviously your kid has to be good. If you can objectively say that he might have what it takes, then do him and you a favor and get on the right team. Hugely important, as it insures premier exposure when the recruiting begins. It’s can literally be the difference between what we got and getting absolutely zero and going to some no name school. Yeah. It’s big.

I neglected to mention that my son is a Long Island public school kid and not a holdback. On grade and 100% on age, as are all of the kids on his team that got similar deals. FYI there are very few holdbacks on LI since there are no prep schools on LI. I know that was going to be the first comment so wanted to get ahead of it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone explain the NLF to me? I understand that there are an original 6 and also a group of affiliates. Seems to be alot of BS associated with these tournaments/teams....For instance, let's say you were a club on LI and your team was called something like "Team 19" (this is hypothetical). Let's say there was a strong club also on LI and let's say their team name was "Door 2 Door". Did you know in the NLF book of secrets/bylaws that if you're one of these Original 6 you can block a club from playing in these NLF tournaments? I just find it funny that on the front page of the NLF website in big bold letters it says "IRON SHARPENS IRON". This blocking rule flies completely in the face of true competition and is chicken BLEEP. Does anyone from other areas know of similar situations??? In the end we are talking about clubs, grown men, supposed ambassador's of the sport denying kids from the opportunity to compete which in my opinion flies in the face of why we even play sports and compete.

First of all, you need understand, this is lacrosse. It’s a business first and a kids sport a distant second. It’s not fair, it’s all political and one huge money grab. It is what it is. However, if you choose to go this route, and you want to give your kid all of the tools and opportunities to take it as far as he possibly can, then the NLF is absolutely your best route to go. Absolutely not arguable. He will simply get opportunities that others will not get. I went this route with my son, and he’s committed to a premier D1 program and tier 1 institution. Did I mention it won’t be costing me a dime? Obviously I spent about 50k on travel lax over the years, but turned out to be money well spent. Had he not had the exposure from his NLF team, I have no doubt that it would have turned out differently. You have one shot at this. It will drive you nuts and empty your wallet in the process. But if you want what is truely the best opportunity for your son, I highly recommend that you go with a well known, well respected NLF brand. Good luck!

I call troll on this one. You gave yourself away when you said that your son's premier D1 college program won't cost you a dime. Division 1 teams spread 12.6 scholarships among 30-40 players with each player getting somewhere between 10% and 50%. Unless your son is named Gait or Powell he is not getting 100%.

Your comments represent the misconception in lacrosse. We all know there are 12.5 scholarships. However, there are a lot of very good D1 teams competing for top prospects. By top prospects, I’m referring to the top 150 players or so. If your kid is on a top team, he will automatically be on these teams radars. If he is a good player (not necessarily a great player) he will be a highly sought after recruit. There are more good D1 programs than ever before. An enormous amount of parody at the top. This means that there is more competition than ever for these players that have been pegged as top players in their class. These players have an enormous amount of leverage and power over these coaches that are recruiting them. They are in the drivers seat. Not the D1 coaches. My son was one of those kids. I have no doubt in my mind he was there because of the team that he played on. If he was on a less successful and less known team, he would not be in same position. My son got an 85% scholarship at a very prestigious school with a top lacrosse program. He will get between 10k and 20k in NIL money per year and will also get academic based incentives. Not only will everything be paid for, I expect to be in the black when college is over. Sounds impossible? It’s not. I know of several other kids who got similar deals and none of the are named Spallina, Gait or Thompson. That money is out there, and not just reserved for that one generational talent, due to the reasons mentioned above. That’s why what team your kid plays for is so extremely important. Obviously your kid has to be good. If you can objectively say that he might have what it takes, then do him and you a favor and get on the right team. Hugely important, as it insures premier exposure when the recruiting begins. It’s can literally be the difference between what we got and getting absolutely zero and going to some no name school. Yeah. It’s big.

I call troll too. The tell is claiming that your family will be "in the black" after college. The other tell is that you claim to be a Long Island Dad whose son is committed to college, yet here you are reading and writing long posts on a 2027 mid-atlantic board. You are trying too hard and overplaying your hand. Nice try though.

I call troll too. The tell is claiming that your family will be "in the black" after college. The other tell is that you claim to be a Long Island Dad whose son is committed to college, yet here you are reading and writing long posts on a 2027 mid-atlantic board. You are trying too hard and overplaying your hand. Nice try though.[/quote]

You all spend so much time trying to figure out who is writing the post that you miss the point. I was hoping people would respond more to whether boys need to be on an NLF team or not. Does it really make a difference in recruiting? I personally don't think it does but my son is just an 8th grader so I don't know.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I call troll too. The tell is claiming that your family will be "in the black" after college. The other tell is that you claim to be a Long Island Dad whose son is committed to college, yet here you are reading and writing long posts on a 2027 mid-atlantic board. You are trying too hard and overplaying your hand. Nice try though.

You all spend so much time trying to figure out who is writing the post that you miss the point. I was hoping people would respond more to whether boys need to be on an NLF team or not. Does it really make a difference in recruiting? I personally don't think it does but my son is just an 8th grader so I don't know.[/quote]

Just look at commitments over the last few years, seems like a lot are coming from non-NLF teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone explain the NLF to me? I understand that there are an original 6 and also a group of affiliates. Seems to be alot of BS associated with these tournaments/teams....For instance, let's say you were a club on LI and your team was called something like "Team 19" (this is hypothetical). Let's say there was a strong club also on LI and let's say their team name was "Door 2 Door". Did you know in the NLF book of secrets/bylaws that if you're one of these Original 6 you can block a club from playing in these NLF tournaments? I just find it funny that on the front page of the NLF website in big bold letters it says "IRON SHARPENS IRON". This blocking rule flies completely in the face of true competition and is chicken BLEEP. Does anyone from other areas know of similar situations??? In the end we are talking about clubs, grown men, supposed ambassador's of the sport denying kids from the opportunity to compete which in my opinion flies in the face of why we even play sports and compete.

First of all, you need understand, this is lacrosse. It’s a business first and a kids sport a distant second. It’s not fair, it’s all political and one huge money grab. It is what it is. However, if you choose to go this route, and you want to give your kid all of the tools and opportunities to take it as far as he possibly can, then the NLF is absolutely your best route to go. Absolutely not arguable. He will simply get opportunities that others will not get. I went this route with my son, and he’s committed to a premier D1 program and tier 1 institution. Did I mention it won’t be costing me a dime? Obviously I spent about 50k on travel lax over the years, but turned out to be money well spent. Had he not had the exposure from his NLF team, I have no doubt that it would have turned out differently. You have one shot at this. It will drive you nuts and empty your wallet in the process. But if you want what is truely the best opportunity for your son, I highly recommend that you go with a well known, well respected NLF brand. Good luck!

I call troll on this one. You gave yourself away when you said that your son's premier D1 college program won't cost you a dime. Division 1 teams spread 12.6 scholarships among 30-40 players with each player getting somewhere between 10% and 50%. Unless your son is named Gait or Powell he is not getting 100%.

Thought the same thing when I read this…

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone explain the NLF to me? I understand that there are an original 6 and also a group of affiliates. Seems to be alot of BS associated with these tournaments/teams....For instance, let's say you were a club on LI and your team was called something like "Team 19" (this is hypothetical). Let's say there was a strong club also on LI and let's say their team name was "Door 2 Door". Did you know in the NLF book of secrets/bylaws that if you're one of these Original 6 you can block a club from playing in these NLF tournaments? I just find it funny that on the front page of the NLF website in big bold letters it says "IRON SHARPENS IRON". This blocking rule flies completely in the face of true competition and is chicken BLEEP. Does anyone from other areas know of similar situations??? In the end we are talking about clubs, grown men, supposed ambassador's of the sport denying kids from the opportunity to compete which in my opinion flies in the face of why we even play sports and compete.

First of all, you need understand, this is lacrosse. It’s a business first and a kids sport a distant second. It’s not fair, it’s all political and one huge money grab. It is what it is. However, if you choose to go this route, and you want to give your kid all of the tools and opportunities to take it as far as he possibly can, then the NLF is absolutely your best route to go. Absolutely not arguable. He will simply get opportunities that others will not get. I went this route with my son, and he’s committed to a premier D1 program and tier 1 institution. Did I mention it won’t be costing me a dime? Obviously I spent about 50k on travel lax over the years, but turned out to be money well spent. Had he not had the exposure from his NLF team, I have no doubt that it would have turned out differently. You have one shot at this. It will drive you nuts and empty your wallet in the process. But if you want what is truely the best opportunity for your son, I highly recommend that you go with a well known, well respected NLF brand. Good luck!

I call troll on this one. You gave yourself away when you said that your son's premier D1 college program won't cost you a dime. Division 1 teams spread 12.6 scholarships among 30-40 players with each player getting somewhere between 10% and 50%. Unless your son is named Gait or Powell he is not getting 100%.

Thought the same thing when I read this…

Of course you did. Typical response, and exactly the reason for the post. To educate the people who have yet to go through the process and are basing their opinions on rumors. I’m telling you it’s very real and my kid is by no means an anomaly. Several kids on his team got similar deals. If you have any intelligent, specific questions I’m happy to expound. But it’s based on the fact that there are more “good” D1 teams than ever before and the competition has never been greater for recruits. And some teams have NIL money which they are offering. Some schools, with powerful boosters, have an unlimited supply NIL $$$.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone explain the NLF to me? I understand that there are an original 6 and also a group of affiliates. Seems to be alot of BS associated with these tournaments/teams....For instance, let's say you were a club on LI and your team was called something like "Team 19" (this is hypothetical). Let's say there was a strong club also on LI and let's say their team name was "Door 2 Door". Did you know in the NLF book of secrets/bylaws that if you're one of these Original 6 you can block a club from playing in these NLF tournaments? I just find it funny that on the front page of the NLF website in big bold letters it says "IRON SHARPENS IRON". This blocking rule flies completely in the face of true competition and is chicken BLEEP. Does anyone from other areas know of similar situations??? In the end we are talking about clubs, grown men, supposed ambassador's of the sport denying kids from the opportunity to compete which in my opinion flies in the face of why we even play sports and compete.

First of all, you need understand, this is lacrosse. It’s a business first and a kids sport a distant second. It’s not fair, it’s all political and one huge money grab. It is what it is. However, if you choose to go this route, and you want to give your kid all of the tools and opportunities to take it as far as he possibly can, then the NLF is absolutely your best route to go. Absolutely not arguable. He will simply get opportunities that others will not get. I went this route with my son, and he’s committed to a premier D1 program and tier 1 institution. Did I mention it won’t be costing me a dime? Obviously I spent about 50k on travel lax over the years, but turned out to be money well spent. Had he not had the exposure from his NLF team, I have no doubt that it would have turned out differently. You have one shot at this. It will drive you nuts and empty your wallet in the process. But if you want what is truely the best opportunity for your son, I highly recommend that you go with a well known, well respected NLF brand. Good luck!

I call troll on this one. You gave yourself away when you said that your son's premier D1 college program won't cost you a dime. Division 1 teams spread 12.6 scholarships among 30-40 players with each player getting somewhere between 10% and 50%. Unless your son is named Gait or Powell he is not getting 100%.

Thought the same thing when I read this…

Of course you did. Typical response, and exactly the reason for the post. To educate the people who have yet to go through the process and are basing their opinions on rumors. I’m telling you it’s very real and my kid is by no means an anomaly. Several kids on his team got similar deals. If you have any intelligent, specific questions I’m happy to expound. But it’s based on the fact that there are more “good” D1 teams than ever before and the competition has never been greater for recruits. And some teams have NIL money which they are offering. Some schools, with powerful boosters, have an unlimited supply NIL $$$.

Keep shoveling. You are amusing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone explain the NLF to me? I understand that there are an original 6 and also a group of affiliates. Seems to be alot of BS associated with these tournaments/teams....For instance, let's say you were a club on LI and your team was called something like "Team 19" (this is hypothetical). Let's say there was a strong club also on LI and let's say their team name was "Door 2 Door". Did you know in the NLF book of secrets/bylaws that if you're one of these Original 6 you can block a club from playing in these NLF tournaments? I just find it funny that on the front page of the NLF website in big bold letters it says "IRON SHARPENS IRON". This blocking rule flies completely in the face of true competition and is chicken BLEEP. Does anyone from other areas know of similar situations??? In the end we are talking about clubs, grown men, supposed ambassador's of the sport denying kids from the opportunity to compete which in my opinion flies in the face of why we even play sports and compete.

All the best teams are at NLF. If your kid has what it takes go to tryouts. Complainers not wanted.

Had two go D1 so far. Hoping on third. Both prior did NLF and went D1. On older boys teams about ten went d1 and four d3 on each team. NLFclubs worked hard for both than HS. And it was the look from the NLF clubs that helped. Not the same I hear from other NLF regions but go top brand it helps. Hope this helps and good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Had two go D1 so far. Hoping on third. Both prior did NLF and went D1. On older boys teams about ten went d1 and four d3 on each team. NLFclubs worked hard for both than HS. And it was the look from the NLF clubs that helped. Not the same I hear from other NLF regions but go top brand it helps. Hope this helps and good luck.

Serious insightful comments not helpful here!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I call troll too. The tell is claiming that your family will be "in the black" after college. The other tell is that you claim to be a Long Island Dad whose son is committed to college, yet here you are reading and writing long posts on a 2027 mid-atlantic board. You are trying too hard and overplaying your hand. Nice try though.

You all spend so much time trying to figure out who is writing the post that you miss the point. I was hoping people would respond more to whether boys need to be on an NLF team or not. Does it really make a difference in recruiting? I personally don't think it does but my son is just an 8th grader so I don't know.

Just look at commitments over the last few years, seems like a lot are coming from non-NLF teams.[/quote]

It has to start with "what's your son (realistic) goal?" Any advice prior to that question, aside from "get playing time" and "mind your grades" is just silly.

Once you answer that question, the math is still quite complex, especially due to the transfer portal.
In our family's experience (boys and girls lax), the most important factors, in order, have been:

1) You better be on the field all the time if you want elite D1 (starter by 10th) or high D2/D3 (starter by 11th). PT at club and school is critical unless you literally "don't care where you play in college." In which case, you'll be fine, you'll find a spot. Many D2 and D3 programs are still recruiting in the spring of senior year (you just have to remember to apply for admission the previous winter).

2) HS Coach's or Club Coach's Connections AND willingness to "make a call."

3) "Elite-ness" of your HS and club program, including brands like NLF, MIAA, etc.

4) Grades and leadership outside of lax; lax tradition and alumni of your school.

5) Do you fit the current recruiting trend of players at your position? For example, right now if you want to play upper D1 with a long pole, you better be 6'0"+ and be STACKED. Or giant SSDM's with a killer 40 speed and an ability to fast break through traffic. Seem like odd one-offs, but coaches decide "that's what they want" whether it's beneficial or not really. For example it seems like "nobody" (exaggeration) is recruiting tiny FOGOs the last 2 years. Even though a tiny FOGO can win consistently. Just a trend.

6) Coach or director-verified "growth" or "improvement" across several years of a specific camp or showcase. And their willingness to send an email / call / text on your behalf.

7) Good film.......but everybody has good film now, if you get enough PT .

Again, all this said, you can be an LSM being heavily recruited to play at Princeton and suddenly two genius LSM's come to Princeton through the transfer portal, right before your 12th grade year. It's a bit like the wild west right now.

The most important thing is to be at an NLF program. They key is NLF, because the NLF factor will make coaches realize you are NLF. Did I mention NLF, that is really important.
I had four kids, who all played NLF, and everyone is raking in $$ like fool from lacrosse, and all their teammates too, and we owe it all to NLF. I am NOT an NLF director or owner pumping out an NLF infomercial, I am just a humble lax Dad trying to share my wisdom with the next generation of players.
Hope this helps!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I call troll too. The tell is claiming that your family will be "in the black" after college. The other tell is that you claim to be a Long Island Dad whose son is committed to college, yet here you are reading and writing long posts on a 2027 mid-atlantic board. You are trying too hard and overplaying your hand. Nice try though.

You all spend so much time trying to figure out who is writing the post that you miss the point. I was hoping people would respond more to whether boys need to be on an NLF team or not. Does it really make a difference in recruiting? I personally don't think it does but my son is just an 8th grader so I don't know.[/quote]

The short answer is NO, you do not need to be associated with an NLF program. The area we live in sends tons of kids to D1 schools and the NLF program here is not relevant, has really no competitive boys teams. Coincidentally, a non NLF club in this region that has had nearly 40 D1 commits from their 23' and 24' teams was blocked for years by this local NLF team, I guess if you can't beat them, block them. Plenty of high level tournaments out there these days, get on a good team and go play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I call troll too. The tell is claiming that your family will be "in the black" after college. The other tell is that you claim to be a Long Island Dad whose son is committed to college, yet here you are reading and writing long posts on a 2027 mid-atlantic board. You are trying too hard and overplaying your hand. Nice try though.

You all spend so much time trying to figure out who is writing the post that you miss the point. I was hoping people would respond more to whether boys need to be on an NLF team or not. Does it really make a difference in recruiting? I personally don't think it does but my son is just an 8th grader so I don't know.

The short answer is NO, you do not need to be associated with an NLF program. The area we live in sends tons of kids to D1 schools and the NLF program here is not relevant, has really no competitive boys teams. Coincidentally, a non NLF club in this region that has had nearly 40 D1 commits from their 23' and 24' teams was blocked for years by this local NLF team, I guess if you can't beat them, block them. Plenty of high level tournaments out there these days, get on a good team and go play.[/quote]

Sure buddy sure.

NLF holdbacks squads definitely block teams that are better than they are at certain ages.

And the kids on those blocked clubs still make it to college just fine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The most important thing is to be at an NLF program. They key is NLF, because the NLF factor will make coaches realize you are NLF. Did I mention NLF, that is really important.
I had four kids, who all played NLF, and everyone is raking in $$ like fool from lacrosse, and all their teammates too, and we owe it all to NLF. I am NOT an NLF director or owner pumping out an NLF infomercial, I am just a humble lax Dad trying to share my wisdom with the next generation of players.
Hope this helps!

It didn’t.

D1 coach from Elite University here. I attend one tournament a year and it's NLF. If a kid scores a goal at NLF: Scholarship! Makes a save: Scholarship! Now, not every kid at NLF plays a ton. But if an NLF coach "makes a call" for a player: Scholarship + NIL $$$. It's how the system works. Some coaches look for truly elite speed and athleticism. But real winners build teams based on who played NLF in 8th, 9th, 10th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

D1 coach from Elite University here. I attend one tournament a year and it's NLF. If a kid scores a goal at NLF: Scholarship! Makes a save: Scholarship! Now, not every kid at NLF plays a ton. But if an NLF coach "makes a call" for a player: Scholarship + NIL $$$. It's how the system works. Some coaches look for truly elite speed and athleticism. But real winners build teams based on who played NLF in 8th, 9th, 10th grade.

I love the direction this discussion is going. As somebody noted above, being on a well branded HS or club team in 10th-11th grade is important, but maybe the #4 or #5 biggest consideration. There are kids on NLF teams with 2.8 GPAs and 1100 on their SATs. They aren't headed to Yale, Cuse, UMD, UVA, Duke, etc. Elite college coaches don't want academic headaches and why should they tolerate them? "Oh you've had 11 conduct referrals in HS but you play on an NLF team? Come on in, here's your full scholarship and NIL bucks!" Please.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

D1 coach from Elite University here. I attend one tournament a year and it's NLF. If a kid scores a goal at NLF: Scholarship! Makes a save: Scholarship! Now, not every kid at NLF plays a ton. But if an NLF coach "makes a call" for a player: Scholarship + NIL $$$. It's how the system works. Some coaches look for truly elite speed and athleticism. But real winners build teams based on who played NLF in 8th, 9th, 10th grade.

I love the direction this discussion is going. As somebody noted above, being on a well branded HS or club team in 10th-11th grade is important, but maybe the #4 or #5 biggest consideration. There are kids on NLF teams with 2.8 GPAs and 1100 on their SATs. They aren't headed to Yale, Cuse, UMD, UVA, Duke, etc. Elite college coaches don't want academic headaches and why should they tolerate them? "Oh you've had 11 conduct referrals in HS but you play on an NLF team? Come on in, here's your full scholarship and NIL bucks!" Please.

If you think the HS or Club team you play on is the 5th biggest consideration to getting to college than you know nothing.

Hold the phone.Took a week with the family at Disney after club nationals. Didnt look here for a bit.Why the firestorm over NLF all of a sudden? Hard to read the script unless it is all one person talking to themself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hold the phone.Took a week with the family at Disney after club nationals. Didnt look here for a bit.Why the firestorm over NLF all of a sudden? Hard to read the script unless it is all one person talking to themself.

NLF is the ticket . All the big boy coaches attend. How anyone can think otherwise is running the risk of no D1 coming their way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hold the phone.Took a week with the family at Disney after club nationals. Didnt look here for a bit.Why the firestorm over NLF all of a sudden? Hard to read the script unless it is all one person talking to themself.

Here's the recap. One person keeps posting that being on an NLF team (which I think means one of the six programs that founded NLF) is the ticket to college scholarships and NIL money, and that not being on such a team means you missed the boat. Everyone is laughing at him and being sarcastic because he is so over the top that he tipped his hand as an infomercial by the owner of one of the programs.
It is probably not worth going back to read; everyone has figured out that he is a troll.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

D1 coach from Elite University here. I attend one tournament a year and it's NLF. If a kid scores a goal at NLF: Scholarship! Makes a save: Scholarship! Now, not every kid at NLF plays a ton. But if an NLF coach "makes a call" for a player: Scholarship + NIL $$$. It's how the system works. Some coaches look for truly elite speed and athleticism. But real winners build teams based on who played NLF in 8th, 9th, 10th grade.

I love the direction this discussion is going. As somebody noted above, being on a well branded HS or club team in 10th-11th grade is important, but maybe the #4 or #5 biggest consideration. There are kids on NLF teams with 2.8 GPAs and 1100 on their SATs. They aren't headed to Yale, Cuse, UMD, UVA, Duke, etc. Elite college coaches don't want academic headaches and why should they tolerate them? "Oh you've had 11 conduct referrals in HS but you play on an NLF team? Come on in, here's your full scholarship and NIL bucks!" Please.

If you think the HS or Club team you play on is the 5th biggest consideration to getting to college than you know nothing.

Drinking on a Wednesday, I see. Some serious John Carroll School energy you're vibing. I didn't mean to threaten your hopes of paying MIAA tuition and holding your nose until Cornell called for your son.

A 3rd string midfielder at BL (or Crabs, or 91), who the coaches don't like enough to use their network to find college options for, with a 2.4 GPA and 1050 SAT, is not going to get to go where he wants just because he owns a BL helmet or a beautiful Crabs helmet with zero dings in it from never facing a live defenseman. Film? You got it. Practice film!

But maybe my posts are all a dream, and you should just sleep it off.

-Dad of a D1 and D2 lax player who attended MIAA schools (and 2 more hopefuls).

-Also a Dad who attended good enough public schools to know the correct usage of "then" and "than."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

D1 coach from Elite University here. I attend one tournament a year and it's NLF. If a kid scores a goal at NLF: Scholarship! Makes a save: Scholarship! Now, not every kid at NLF plays a ton. But if an NLF coach "makes a call" for a player: Scholarship + NIL $$$. It's how the system works. Some coaches look for truly elite speed and athleticism. But real winners build teams based on who played NLF in 8th, 9th, 10th grade.

I love the direction this discussion is going. As somebody noted above, being on a well branded HS or club team in 10th-11th grade is important, but maybe the #4 or #5 biggest consideration. There are kids on NLF teams with 2.8 GPAs and 1100 on their SATs. They aren't headed to Yale, Cuse, UMD, UVA, Duke, etc. Elite college coaches don't want academic headaches and why should they tolerate them? "Oh you've had 11 conduct referrals in HS but you play on an NLF team? Come on in, here's your full scholarship and NIL bucks!" Please.

If you think the HS or Club team you play on is the 5th biggest consideration to getting to college than you know nothing.

Drinking on a Wednesday, I see. Some serious John Carroll School energy you're vibing. I didn't mean to threaten your hopes of paying MIAA tuition and holding your nose until Cornell called for your son.

A 3rd string midfielder at BL (or Crabs, or 91), who the coaches don't like enough to use their network to find college options for, with a 2.4 GPA and 1050 SAT, is not going to get to go where he wants just because he owns a BL helmet or a beautiful Crabs helmet with zero dings in it from never facing a live defenseman. Film? You got it. Practice film!

But maybe my posts are all a dream, and you should just sleep it off.

-Dad of a D1 and D2 lax player who attended MIAA schools (and 2 more hopefuls).

-Also a Dad who attended good enough public schools to know the correct usage of "then" and "than."

You are correct, these college coaches aren’t wasting time with academic headaches. Grades are priority 1. Then the kid has to be able to play. And get playing time. Regularly. In the top hs league AND club circuit. That is the standard. Not specifically what club you play for. Just that you play and produce for them at both levels. Regularly play and regularly produce.

There are only so many hours in the day to get a kid recruited. Most of the coaches push their kids to D1 even if it’s a bad fit and bad school. The top MIAA and Elite players get the attention when Cornell calls. Fogo #2 gets the attention when Mercer and Cleveland State call. No thanks. I’d rather go to a top D2 or D3 and play for a championship.

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/arti...cation-is-coming-to-youth-lacrosse/60381

Not much action out there.

91 MD won the Madlax Capital Box Tourney against 91 NC.

91 MD was good. We were on one of the losing teams. Pretty decent tournament though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 MD was good. We were on one of the losing teams. Pretty decent tournament though.

Looks like it was a split 7th/8th grade division.

Any word on VLC restarting a 2027 team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 MD was good. We were on one of the losing teams. Pretty decent tournament though.

Looks like it was a split 7th/8th grade division.

And in Team 91's case, it was a 8th/9th grade team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 MD was good. We were on one of the losing teams. Pretty decent tournament though.

Looks like it was a split 7th/8th grade division.

And in Team 91's case, it was a 8th/9th grade team.

A couple older 8th graders. But no 9th graders. All middle school students.

Team MD reaching out. How many kids left after getting those new coaches?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The most important thing is to be at an NLF program. They key is NLF, because the NLF factor will make coaches realize you are NLF. Did I mention NLF, that is really important.
I had four kids, who all played NLF, and everyone is raking in $$ like fool from lacrosse, and all their teammates too, and we owe it all to NLF. I am NOT an NLF director or owner pumping out an NLF infomercial, I am just a humble lax Dad trying to share my wisdom with the next generation of players.
Hope this helps!

So dont play for Maddog , Hawks, Igloo or BBL among others?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The most important thing is to be at an NLF program. They key is NLF, because the NLF factor will make coaches realize you are NLF. Did I mention NLF, that is really important.
I had four kids, who all played NLF, and everyone is raking in $$ like fool from lacrosse, and all their teammates too, and we owe it all to NLF. I am NOT an NLF director or owner pumping out an NLF infomercial, I am just a humble lax Dad trying to share my wisdom with the next generation of players.
Hope this helps!

So dont play for Maddog , Hawks, Igloo or BBL among others?

A quick look at the commits the above teams have will tell you that they are doing OK not being an NLF team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 MD was good. We were on one of the losing teams. Pretty decent tournament though.

Looks like it was a split 7th/8th grade division.

And in Team 91's case, it was a 8th/9th grade team.

A couple older 8th graders. But no 9th graders. All middle school students.

"Several holdback 8th graders..." Fixed it for you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 MD was good. We were on one of the losing teams. Pretty decent tournament though.

Looks like it was a split 7th/8th grade division.

And in Team 91's case, it was a 8th/9th grade team.

A couple older 8th graders. But no 9th graders. All middle school students.

"Several holdback 8th graders..." Fixed it for you.

The holdback complaining is old at this point. It’s always been a issue and ever team in elite has them and AAA does too.

Team 91 is going to go from never making the playoffs and really rarely winning a game to challenging for first place. 4 kids held back in 8th grade for lacrosse. Proud moment.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 is going to go from never making the playoffs and really rarely winning a game to challenging for first place. 4 kids held back in 8th grade for lacrosse. Proud moment.

Well they will have to get past Crabs they don’t even look like the same team and they have even more holdbacks this year. HOCO will be a joke this spring.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 is going to go from never making the playoffs and really rarely winning a game to challenging for first place. 4 kids held back in 8th grade for lacrosse. Proud moment.

Well they will have to get past Crabs they don’t even look like the same team and they have even more holdbacks this year. HOCO will be a joke this spring.

Good luck handicapping the 2027s this season! I think you can throw previous years results out with all the roster changes.

Specifically for 91 and Crabs, were the current repeat8thgraders any good for the the 26's or were they the top players. I know a couple were very average and now they were killing it in the fall. As far as handicapping, it won't help the forever champs Hawks that their best player has prioritized the all star teams over the Hawks. I thought Hawks had a rule against that. I guess not when it's the best player.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Specifically for 91 and Crabs, were the current repeat8thgraders any good for the the 26's or were they the top players. I know a couple were very average and now they were killing it in the fall. As far as handicapping, it won't help the forever champs Hawks that their best player has prioritized the all star teams over the Hawks. I thought Hawks had a rule against that. I guess not when it's the best player.

I don’t think the national schedule interferes with HOCO.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Specifically for 91 and Crabs, were the current repeat8thgraders any good for the the 26's or were they the top players. I know a couple were very average and now they were killing it in the fall. As far as handicapping, it won't help the forever champs Hawks that their best player has prioritized the all star teams over the Hawks. I thought Hawks had a rule against that. I guess not when it's the best player.

I don’t think the national schedule interferes with HOCO.

He's supposed to be the best player, he's supposed to be a 2026. Famous holdback. But he's done growing I bet. Everyone else will catch up. He's not really that good...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Specifically for 91 and Crabs, were the current repeat8thgraders any good for the the 26's or were they the top players. I know a couple were very average and now they were killing it in the fall. As far as handicapping, it won't help the forever champs Hawks that their best player has prioritized the all star teams over the Hawks. I thought Hawks had a rule against that. I guess not when it's the best player.

I don’t think the national schedule interferes with HOCO.

He's supposed to be the best player, he's supposed to be a 2026. Famous holdback. But he's done growing I bet. Everyone else will catch up. He's not really that good...

All of the elite teams are full of holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He's supposed to be the best player, he's supposed to be a 2026. Famous holdback. But he's done growing I bet. Everyone else will catch up. He's not really that good...

Don’t let your true colors show or anything.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 MD was good. We were on one of the losing teams. Pretty decent tournament though.

Looks like it was a split 7th/8th grade division.

And in Team 91's case, it was a 8th/9th grade team.

A couple older 8th graders. But no 9th graders. All middle school students.

"Several holdback 8th graders..." Fixed it for you.

The holdback complaining is old at this point. It’s always been a issue and ever team in elite has them and AAA does too.

He’s right though.

The OP said “a couple.” 2 holdbacks. There were “a few.” 3 holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 is going to go from never making the playoffs and really rarely winning a game to challenging for first place. 4 kids held back in 8th grade for lacrosse. Proud moment.

If this is somehow shocking for any Team 91 parents, you simply have not been paying attention. Bye bye families who've been paying their way for 4+ years and being promised that "91 develops elite players" and "never cuts our players." You can either hold back, or you can go play for Predators or Sidewinders.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 is going to go from never making the playoffs and really rarely winning a game to challenging for first place. 4 kids held back in 8th grade for lacrosse. Proud moment.

If this is somehow shocking for any Team 91 parents, you simply have not been paying attention. Bye bye families who've been paying their way for 4+ years and being promised that "91 develops elite players" and "never cuts our players." You can either hold back, or you can go play for Predators or Sidewinders.

If these are former 91 '26 players I wouldn't expect much. Did worse than the '27s for years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 is going to go from never making the playoffs and really rarely winning a game to challenging for first place. 4 kids held back in 8th grade for lacrosse. Proud moment.

If this is somehow shocking for any Team 91 parents, you simply have not been paying attention. Bye bye families who've been paying their way for 4+ years and being promised that "91 develops elite players" and "never cuts our players." You can either hold back, or you can go play for Predators or Sidewinders.

If these are former 91 '26 players I wouldn't expect much. Did worse than the '27s for years.

No former Team 91 26s have become Team 91 27s.

All the new 27s are from other programs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 is going to go from never making the playoffs and really rarely winning a game to challenging for first place. 4 kids held back in 8th grade for lacrosse. Proud moment.

If this is somehow shocking for any Team 91 parents, you simply have not been paying attention. Bye bye families who've been paying their way for 4+ years and being promised that "91 develops elite players" and "never cuts our players." You can either hold back, or you can go play for Predators or Sidewinders.

I'll save every parent here $1800 x 5 years of Team 91 fees with the following template "8th grade elite lacrosse placement advice" from MM and co.

1. Yeah unfortunately your son really only projects to maybe a public school or maybe an MIAA-C level.
2. However if you hold him back next year, not only would he easily make MIAA-A rosters, but we'd make a space for him on the 2028 91 team.
3. This is the way everybody does it. You either hold back or you're lying.
4. I know every MIAA Coach and we'll get you a campus tour (!!!!) at Gilman or BL no problem. If you hold back.

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[/quote]All the new 27s are from other programs.[quote]

Were they starters for the 26's?

Acceptance letters went out so who got the best 27 class. BL, Gilman, STM?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Acceptance letters went out so who got the best 27 class. BL, Gilman, STM?

I’d say STM.

St. John’s.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Acceptance letters went out so who got the best 27 class. BL, Gilman, STM?

I’d say STM.

How many holdbacks, I mean Hawks kids did they get?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Acceptance letters went out so who got the best 27 class. BL, Gilman, STM?

I’d say STM.

How many holdbacks, I mean Hawks kids did they get?

You obviously haven’t seen the new crabs team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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All the new 27s are from other programs.

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Were they starters for the 26's?

All were starters for other 27 teams last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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All the new 27s are from other programs.

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Were they starters for the 26's?

All were starters for other 27 teams last year.

What team are you talking about?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Acceptance letters went out so who got the best 27 class. BL, Gilman, STM?

I’d say STM.

They saw the playing opportunities after two below average classes in a row.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Acceptance letters went out so who got the best 27 class. BL, Gilman, STM?

I’d say STM.

How many holdbacks, I mean Hawks kids did they get?

You obviously haven’t seen the new crabs team.

Wait till next year all the boarders At BL taking kids spots.

Wow True Chesapeake must not have been able to fly any of those 15-16 year olds today.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 is going to go from never making the playoffs and really rarely winning a game to challenging for first place. 4 kids held back in 8th grade for lacrosse. Proud moment.

If this is somehow shocking for any Team 91 parents, you simply have not been paying attention. Bye bye families who've been paying their way for 4+ years and being promised that "91 develops elite players" and "never cuts our players." You can either hold back, or you can go play for Predators or Sidewinders.

They showed their usual mediocre results in a March tournament. Yawn, same little practice, same little results.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 is going to go from never making the playoffs and really rarely winning a game to challenging for first place. 4 kids held back in 8th grade for lacrosse. Proud moment.

If this is somehow shocking for any Team 91 parents, you simply have not been paying attention. Bye bye families who've been paying their way for 4+ years and being promised that "91 develops elite players" and "never cuts our players." You can either hold back, or you can go play for Predators or Sidewinders.

They showed their usual mediocre results in a March tournament. Yawn, same little practice, same little results.

91 is basically Looneys Lite / Bad News Bears until 9th Grade Hold Back Fest gets underway. Holdbacks from NJ and NY and PA boarding schools on the way to save the team's future.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 is going to go from never making the playoffs and really rarely winning a game to challenging for first place. 4 kids held back in 8th grade for lacrosse. Proud moment.

If this is somehow shocking for any Team 91 parents, you simply have not been paying attention. Bye bye families who've been paying their way for 4+ years and being promised that "91 develops elite players" and "never cuts our players." You can either hold back, or you can go play for Predators or Sidewinders.

They showed their usual mediocre results in a March tournament. Yawn, same little practice, same little results.

91 is basically Looneys Lite / Bad News Bears until 9th Grade Hold Back Fest gets underway. Holdbacks from NJ and NY and PA boarding schools on the way to save the team's future.

91 MD doesn't offer anything compelling to kids from NJ, NY and PA. Better options in those markets.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow True Chesapeake must not have been able to fly any of those 15-16 year olds today.

I thought only crabs and ML bring in kids from out of state?

So who are the good team(s) for the last season of HoCo?

And who is the last team - are Zingos and DCE having a playoff?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So who are the good team(s) for the last season of HoCo?

And who is the last team - are Zingos and DCE having a playoff?

DCE won the play in game for Elite - you can see it on the schedule.

DC is now 1-17 through Fall early Spring......

Tons of talent on DCE. They'll be tough to beat in HoCo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So who are the good team(s) for the last season of HoCo?

Elite Favorites = Crabs, Hawks, Next Level
Elite Long Shots = Madlax and Team 91

I'm afraid DCE might be in for a long spring, and I don't know much about FCA or True Chesapeake...

Who is the best player on the Hawks? Most folks believe it's one of the attackmen. You are clueless! Hawks have 3-4 players who are the best players on the east coast if not the country. 2027 division will only be tight if other teams fly in players for top games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who is the best player on the Hawks? Most folks believe it's one of the attackmen. You are clueless! Hawks have 3-4 players who are the best players on the east coast if not the country. 2027 division will only be tight if other teams fly in players for top games.

What an odd post.

They sound awesome. I’ll have to keep an eye out for them. What kind of car do they drive?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who is the best player on the Hawks? Most folks believe it's one of the attackmen. You are clueless! Hawks have 3-4 players who are the best players on the east coast if not the country. 2027 division will only be tight if other teams fly in players for top games.

Hey everyone, my son plays for Hawks but I'm tired of hearing how good the attackmen is. My kid is just as good, actually probably better. TBH he's the best player in the country.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who is the best player on the Hawks? Most folks believe it's one of the attackmen. You are clueless! Hawks have 3-4 players who are the best players on the east coast if not the country. 2027 division will only be tight if other teams fly in players for top games.

news flash, other teams DO fly in players for top games

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Acceptance letters went out so who got the best 27 class. BL, Gilman, STM?

I’d say STM.

They had no choice but to go all in after sub par 25 and 26 classes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who is the best player on the Hawks? Most folks believe it's one of the attackmen. You are clueless! Hawks have 3-4 players who are the best players on the east coast if not the country. 2027 division will only be tight if other teams fly in players for top games.

Based on the Hawks' results this past fall (without their best attackman), I'd say he's the difference maker. Crabs and Team 10 absolutely owned them.

NAL champs were Express. Express will win the whole summer all summer. Will end AS NLF National Champs, period!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NAL champs were Express. Express will win the whole summer all summer. Will end AS NLF National Champs, period!

This is either the biggest clown lax dad of all time or little junior is firing off posts in study hall

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tons of talent on DCE. They'll be tough to beat in HoCo.

Thanks DCE mom. We will see how this post ages

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tons of talent on DCE. They'll be tough to beat in HoCo.

Thanks DCE mom. We will see how this post ages

Pretty sure it was sarcasm.

okay, projected regular season finish:

Hawks
NextLevel
Crabs
MadLax
FCA
True
DCE
91

League MVP - Hawks attackman or NextLevel attackman

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tons of talent on DCE. They'll be tough to beat in HoCo.

Thanks DCE mom. We will see how this post ages

It will age fine because I think it was sarcastic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

okay, projected regular season finish:

Hawks
NextLevel
Crabs
MadLax
FCA
True
DCE
91

League MVP - Hawks attackman or NextLevel attackman

I don’t know. I think crabs will do better than you think. Remember they fly in kids for the championship game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 is going to go from never making the playoffs and really rarely winning a game to challenging for first place. 4 kids held back in 8th grade for lacrosse. Proud moment.

If this is somehow shocking for any Team 91 parents, you simply have not been paying attention. Bye bye families who've been paying their way for 4+ years and being promised that "91 develops elite players" and "never cuts our players." You can either hold back, or you can go play for Predators or Sidewinders.

They showed their usual mediocre results in a March tournament. Yawn, same little practice, same little results.

91 is basically Looneys Lite / Bad News Bears until 9th Grade Hold Back Fest gets underway. Holdbacks from NJ and NY and PA boarding schools on the way to save the team's future.

91 MD doesn't offer anything compelling to kids from NJ, NY and PA. Better options in those markets.

You know nothing. At least two NY (both Chaminade) and one NH player for Team 91 MD 2024 have college letters in hand. Obviously the MD 91 program is attracting talent from far outside of the MIAA, and these elite players believe - and have seen for themselves - that there is some benefit to them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

okay, projected regular season finish:

Hawks
NextLevel
Crabs
MadLax
FCA
True
DCE
91

League MVP - Hawks attackman or NextLevel attackman

I don’t know. I think crabs will do better than you think. Remember they fly in kids for the championship game.

TBH, given the archaic roster challenge rules for HoCo (50 mint fresh gold dubloons presented to the official at 11:11am as the 3rd vulture flies over the press box), coaches are fool to not cheat on rosters all the time. If memory serves, it's been a fairly constant issue from A league to Elite in both the 2027 and 2028 age classes. And I admit, watching a line of True players be walked off the field prior to a league semi-final game, with parents screaming across the field at True coaches, is pretty great.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

okay, projected regular season finish:

Hawks
NextLevel
Crabs
MadLax
FCA
True
DCE
91

League MVP - Hawks attackman or NextLevel attackman

I don’t know. I think crabs will do better than you think. Remember they fly in kids for the championship game.

It will be interesting to see how they place this year if they do start losing KC will find some new kids to put on the team

Winners/losers this weekend?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Winners/losers this weekend?

ghclacrosse posts all the scores pretty quickly and has most up from yesterday

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Winners/losers this weekend?

There weren’t many games this weekend. The Hawks won as did 91 beat DCE pretty badly. I suppose the other schools are on spring break and that’s why they didn’t play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Winners/losers this weekend?

There weren’t many games this weekend. The Hawks won as did 91 beat DCE pretty badly. I suppose the other schools are on spring break and that’s why they didn’t play.

Are some of these teams gonna schedule games later?

Some appear to have 5 games and others have 7.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Winners/losers this weekend?

There weren’t many games this weekend. The Hawks won as did 91 beat DCE pretty badly. I suppose the other schools are on spring break and that’s why they didn’t play.

Are some of these teams gonna schedule games later?

Some appear to have 5 games and others have 7.

Yes.

True Chesapeake better start charging 6k to beat the weakest
Elite teams. Truely a joke.

Anyone know how the teams looked today?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know how the teams looked today?

Crabs fall results are no fluke - they are definitely legit. Top-4 should be a really good battle between Hawks/NL/ML/Crabs. I would predict they all end up with 1 or 2 losses to each other but none to the bottom 4 teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know how the teams looked today?

Crabs fall results are no fluke - they are definitely legit. Top-4 should be a really good battle between Hawks/NL/ML/Crabs. I would predict they all end up with 1 or 2 losses to each other but none to the bottom 4 teams.

Correct that none of those four are likely to lose to the other four. But Next Level owns MadLax and Hawks own both of them. Crabs are the only variable.

Curious how many crabs starters were out for spring break?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious how many crabs starters were out for spring break?

What's your point? Crabs have never been particularly strong in 2027, but they beat Next Level, the perennial #2 team in the division. I can't recall Next Level losing a game to anyone besides the Hawks. So Crabs made a statement, and your point is what - they were missing starters and are actually even better than the score suggests. Don't forget that Next Level has a lot of Landon kids who was on spring break so they may not have been full strength either.

Who's running DCE these days? They had one coach and a kid helping out. Warmup and sideline was DIY.

Let's go! True Chesapeake to embarrass themselves at the Navy stadium next sat. Ask for matching helmets,
maybe you'll get something out of this season!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's go! True Chesapeake to embarrass themselves at the Navy stadium next sat. Ask for matching helmets,
maybe you'll get something out of this season!

Why would it ever be embarrassing to lose to Next Level?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's go! True Chesapeake to embarrass themselves at the Navy stadium next sat. Ask for matching helmets,
maybe you'll get something out of this season!

Why would it ever be embarrassing to lose to Next Level?

Depends on the score, and the general impression made by True. If it looks like a team thrown together at the last minute with out of state players and still gets killed, that would be embarrasing.

Speaking of Next Level, a great team but always finds a way to self destruct against the Hawks.

I saw a few minutes of the True Chesapeake - Madlax game this past weekend. True was definitely outmatched, and will likely get beat handily by Next Level, but think they have a shot at vying for 5th or 6th place in the Elite Division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's go! True Chesapeake to embarrass themselves at the Navy stadium next sat. Ask for matching helmets,
maybe you'll get something out of this season!

Why would it ever be embarrassing to lose to Next Level?

Depends on the score, and the general impression made by True. If it looks like a team thrown together at the last minute with out of state players and still gets killed, that would be embarrasing.

Speaking of Next Level, a great team but always finds a way to self destruct against the Hawks.

Thank you, Mama Hawk.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I saw a few minutes of the True Chesapeake - Madlax game this past weekend. True was definitely outmatched, and will likely get beat handily by Next Level, but think they have a shot at vying for 5th or 6th place in the Elite Division.

Madlax outmatches a lot of teams. Facts. But True is going to have a tough time always going into the second half down 5 points without an offense that can rally.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I saw a few minutes of the True Chesapeake - Madlax game this past weekend. True was definitely outmatched, and will likely get beat handily by Next Level, but think they have a shot at vying for 5th or 6th place in the Elite Division.

MadLax has fallen off from the days when they were competitive with the Hawks and Next Level, and they still beat True by 4. True will be battling it out with DCE for the cellar.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's go! True Chesapeake to embarrass themselves at the Navy stadium next sat. Ask for matching helmets,
maybe you'll get something out of this season!

Why would it ever be embarrassing to lose to Next Level?

True puts themselves as a super elite program. Costs more then any other team, delivers less, can't even give matching helmets. That's the joke and the embarrassment. You're getting hosed if you're on that team and it hurts the sport to make parents pay all that for less results.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's go! True Chesapeake to embarrass themselves at the Navy stadium next sat. Ask for matching helmets,
maybe you'll get something out of this season!

Why would it ever be embarrassing to lose to Next Level?

True puts themselves as a super elite program. Costs more then any other team, delivers less, can't even give matching helmets. That's the joke and the embarrassment. You're getting hosed if you're on that team and it hurts the sport to make parents pay all that for less results.

Thanks for the public service announcement - you're a hero to the lacrosse community!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's go! True Chesapeake to embarrass themselves at the Navy stadium next sat. Ask for matching helmets,
maybe you'll get something out of this season!

Why would it ever be embarrassing to lose to Next Level?

True puts themselves as a super elite program. Costs more then any other team, delivers less, can't even give matching helmets. That's the joke and the embarrassment. You're getting hosed if you're on that team and it hurts the sport to make parents pay all that for less results.

Thanks for the public service announcement - you're a hero to the lacrosse community!

Good luck with your upcoming losses.

Any surprises after the first part of the HoCo season in Elite and AAA?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any surprises after the first part of the HoCo season in Elite and AAA?

NL 2027 0-2 in Elite. In their defense both losses were by a goal to two good teams. Should recover going forward but I assumed they would be 1-1 to start off and with luck would be 2-0.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any surprises after the first part of the HoCo season in Elite and AAA?

NL 2027 0-2 in Elite. In their defense both losses were by a goal to two good teams. Should recover going forward but I assumed they would be 1-1 to start off and with luck would be 2-0.

They also needed overtime to beat MadLax, which was a bit surprising. But I expect they will rally by playoff time and it will still come down to Hawks/Next Level in the finals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any surprises after the first part of the HoCo season in Elite and AAA?

NL 2027 0-2 in Elite. In their defense both losses were by a goal to two good teams. Should recover going forward but I assumed they would be 1-1 to start off and with luck would be 2-0.

They also needed overtime to beat MadLax, which was a bit surprising. But I expect they will rally by playoff time and it will still come down to Hawks/Next Level in the finals.

Madlax had them down 8-5 late.

NL has a lot of talent and the games all seem to be close. I have a feeling it will be Hawks and NL in the championship.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any surprises after the first part of the HoCo season in Elite and AAA?

NL 2027 0-2 in Elite. In their defense both losses were by a goal to two good teams. Should recover going forward but I assumed they would be 1-1 to start off and with luck would be 2-0.

They also needed overtime to beat MadLax, which was a bit surprising. But I expect they will rally by playoff time and it will still come down to Hawks/Next Level in the finals.

Madlax had them down 8-5 late.

But they found a way to lose like they always do against NL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL has a lot of talent and the games all seem to be close. I have a feeling it will be Hawks and NL in the championship.

Crabs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any surprises after the first part of the HoCo season in Elite and AAA?

NL 2027 0-2 in Elite. In their defense both losses were by a goal to two good teams. Should recover going forward but I assumed they would be 1-1 to start off and with luck would be 2-0.

They also needed overtime to beat MadLax, which was a bit surprising. But I expect they will rally by playoff time and it will still come down to Hawks/Next Level in the finals.

Madlax had them down 8-5 late.

But they found a way to lose like they always do against NL.

Yep. True dat. But Madlax is loaded with talent, and finally ditched their daddy coach. I suspect they’ll be competitive with NL, Hawks, and Crabs for the Championship.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Acceptance letters went out so who got the best 27 class. BL, Gilman, STM?

I’d say STM.

They had no choice but to go all in after sub par 25 and 26 classes.

No one should consider Gilman until they replace Henry Smyth the Headmaster and lacrosse coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any surprises after the first part of the HoCo season in Elite and AAA?

NL 2027 0-2 in Elite. In their defense both losses were by a goal to two good teams. Should recover going forward but I assumed they would be 1-1 to start off and with luck would be 2-0.

They also needed overtime to beat MadLax, which was a bit surprising. But I expect they will rally by playoff time and it will still come down to Hawks/Next Level in the finals.

Madlax had them down 8-5 late.

But they found a way to lose like they always do against NL.

Yep. True dat. But Madlax is loaded with talent, and finally ditched their daddy coach. I suspect they’ll be competitive with NL, Hawks, and Crabs for the Championship.

what happened to the Daddy coach?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any surprises after the first part of the HoCo season in Elite and AAA?

NL 2027 0-2 in Elite. In their defense both losses were by a goal to two good teams. Should recover going forward but I assumed they would be 1-1 to start off and with luck would be 2-0.

They also needed overtime to beat MadLax, which was a bit surprising. But I expect they will rally by playoff time and it will still come down to Hawks/Next Level in the finals.

Madlax had them down 8-5 late.

But they found a way to lose like they always do against NL.

Yep. True dat. But Madlax is loaded with talent, and finally ditched their daddy coach. I suspect they’ll be competitive with NL, Hawks, and Crabs for the Championship.

what happened to the Daddy coach?

After he drove away 3-4 key players to NL, they hired someone else. Big improvement.

what happened to the Daddy coach?[/quote]
After he drove away 3-4 key players to NL, they hired someone else. Big improvement.[/quote]

Not true at all. The head coach, nominally, was changed a couple of years ago. The dad remains the asst, in name only. He is the only voice on the sidelines and runs the team. That said, the team is much improved this year by adding at least 3-4 new starters from outside the immediate area. They could win the league this year with a little luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what happened to the Daddy coach?

After he drove away 3-4 key players to NL, they hired someone else. Big improvement.[/quote]

Not true at all. The head coach, nominally, was changed a couple of years ago. The dad remains the asst, in name only. He is the only voice on the sidelines and runs the team. That said, the team is much improved this year by adding at least 3-4 new starters from outside the immediate area. They could win the league this year with a little luck.[/quote]
It is NOT the daddy’s team anymore, he’s at the end of the bench. And he’s a clown

True with even more new faces today.
And another loss.
All that airfare, wasted.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what happened to the Daddy coach?

After he drove away 3-4 key players to NL, they hired someone else. Big improvement.[/quote]

Not true at all. The head coach, nominally, was changed a couple of years ago. The dad remains the asst, in name only. He is the only voice on the sidelines and runs the team. That said, the team is much improved this year by adding at least 3-4 new starters from outside the immediate area. They could win the league this year with a little luck.[/quote]

whipped 13-4 by the Hawks? I'd say they will need more than a little luck. and so long as the Daddy coach is there, the attack will not be very effective.

The Club scene is slowly crumbling, it was a matter of time. Too many clubs and not enough players. Look what is going on..Sad that youth sports has come to this.

10 years ago, talent was as good with two/three elite clubs, Now everyone is elite,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Club scene is slowly crumbling, it was a matter of time. Too many clubs and not enough players. Look what is going on..Sad that youth sports has come to this.

10 years ago, talent was as good with two/three elite clubs, Now everyone is elite,

the problem isn’t the clubs. The tourney directors who make the rules and set divisions are the problem.

The tournaments and leagues INSIST on 8 teams in the elite division. (There should only be 7 this year) or 4 teams for an “elite” tournament grouping. Most times there aren’t 4 elite teams in a tourney. But they group them that way to ensure 3 games.

It’s the tourney admins and the league directors who are messing it up.

7 of the 8 teams in Hoco Elite this year will give each other games. But the league added an 8th. That team has lost almost every game 15-0. Again, not the club’s fault. Who put that team in the division? The league director.

Otherwise the league has 7 competitive teams. Heck, this weekend, True Chesapeake had FCA down by 3 late and 91 had the Crabs on the ropes all game.

Again, it’s not clubs who are messing up lax, it’s the tourney directors and leagues. Between level of play and age groupings THEY are the ones ruining lacrosse. Not the clubs required to play by those rules.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Club scene is slowly crumbling, it was a matter of time. Too many clubs and not enough players. Look what is going on..Sad that youth sports has come to this.

10 years ago, talent was as good with two/three elite clubs, Now everyone is elite,

the problem isn’t the clubs. The tourney directors who make the rules and set divisions are the problem.

The tournaments and leagues INSIST on 8 teams in the elite division. (There should only be 7 this year) or 4 teams for an “elite” tournament grouping. Most times there aren’t 4 elite teams in a tourney. But they group them that way to ensure 3 games.

It’s the tourney admins and the league directors who are messing it up.

7 of the 8 teams in Hoco Elite this year will give each other games. But the league added an 8th. That team has lost almost every game 15-0. Again, not the club’s fault. Who put that team in the division? The league director.

Otherwise the league has 7 competitive teams. Heck, this weekend, True Chesapeake had FCA down by 3 late and 91 had the Crabs on the ropes all game.

Again, it’s not clubs who are messing up lax, it’s the tourney directors and leagues. Between level of play and age groupings THEY are the ones ruining lacrosse. Not the clubs required to play by those rules.

I'm not sure what the OP was referring to but I agree with this response. I don't know why they had to have 8 teams in elite this year. I realize scheduling is easier with 8 but the schedule got blown up by weather and NL exceptions anyways. One less week of regular season and one more week of playoffs would have been better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what happened to the Daddy coach?

After he drove away 3-4 key players to NL, they hired someone else. Big improvement.

Not true at all. The head coach, nominally, was changed a couple of years ago. The dad remains the asst, in name only. He is the only voice on the sidelines and runs the team. That said, the team is much improved this year by adding at least 3-4 new starters from outside the immediate area. They could win the league this year with a little luck.[/quote]
It is NOT the daddy’s team anymore, he’s at the end of the bench. And he’s a clown[/quote]

was Daddy coaching the game where Madlax was smoked by the Hawks?

Madlax gonna get loose today.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Club scene is slowly crumbling, it was a matter of time. Too many clubs and not enough players. Look what is going on..Sad that youth sports has come to this.

10 years ago, talent was as good with two/three elite clubs, Now everyone is elite,

the problem isn’t the clubs. The tourney directors who make the rules and set divisions are the problem.

The tournaments and leagues INSIST on 8 teams in the elite division. (There should only be 7 this year) or 4 teams for an “elite” tournament grouping. Most times there aren’t 4 elite teams in a tourney. But they group them that way to ensure 3 games.

It’s the tourney admins and the league directors who are messing it up.

7 of the 8 teams in Hoco Elite this year will give each other games. But the league added an 8th. That team has lost almost every game 15-0. Again, not the club’s fault. Who put that team in the division? The league director.

Otherwise the league has 7 competitive teams. Heck, this weekend, True Chesapeake had FCA down by 3 late and 91 had the Crabs on the ropes all game.

Again, it’s not clubs who are messing up lax, it’s the tourney directors and leagues. Between level of play and age groupings THEY are the ones ruining lacrosse. Not the clubs required to play by those rules.

You realize that many of the big tournaments are run by clubs right?

This logic has a rather large hole in it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax gonna get loose today.

91 MD has gotten worse. Only team in the league that regressed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax gonna get loose today.

91 MD has gotten worse. Only team in the league that regressed.

Elite has been pretty much status quo with the exception of Crabs. Every other team is basically +/- one win from previous years. The coaching change, a 2026 addition, and guest players seem to have made a huge difference.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite has been pretty much status quo with the exception of Crabs. Every other team is basically +/- one win from previous years. The coaching change, a 2026 addition, and guest players seem to have made a huge difference.

Guest players?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax gonna get loose today.

91 MD has gotten worse. Only team in the league that regressed.

Outside of the Madlax game, looks like they were competitive with everyone else.
They beat DCE and True. Did you expect them to beat Hawks or Crabs?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite has been pretty much status quo with the exception of Crabs. Every other team is basically +/- one win from previous years. The coaching change, a 2026 addition, and guest players seem to have made a huge difference.

Guest players?

"Guest" is misleading - TX kid who is on the roster.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite has been pretty much status quo with the exception of Crabs. Every other team is basically +/- one win from previous years. The coaching change, a 2026 addition, and guest players seem to have made a huge difference.

Guest players?

"Guest" is misleading - TX kid who is on the roster.

Question is how many holdbacks and out of state kids did it take to finally get a W against the hawks. Or was it combination of that and new coaching staff. What will some of you do when hoco is done. Also winning hoco isn’t that big of a deal. Check back in after summer let us know how many quality tournaments you won. 26 crabs much better team compared to 27s and seen them those multiple tournaments

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite has been pretty much status quo with the exception of Crabs. Every other team is basically +/- one win from previous years. The coaching change, a 2026 addition, and guest players seem to have made a huge difference.

Guest players?

"Guest" is misleading - TX kid who is on the roster.

Question is how many holdbacks and out of state kids did it take to finally get a W against the hawks. Or was it combination of that and new coaching staff. What will some of you do when hoco is done. Also winning hoco isn’t that big of a deal. Check back in after summer let us know how many quality tournaments you won. 26 crabs much better team compared to 27s and seen them those multiple tournaments

Crabs have 4 new holdbackss. 1 from Crabs 2026 and 3 others from around the region. Hawks and MadLax added some new questionable players and from outside the area. NL actually lost 2 of their 3 out of area players and a few others from their over-sized roster. Team 91 has one last chance to salvage the season this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite has been pretty much status quo with the exception of Crabs. Every other team is basically +/- one win from previous years. The coaching change, a 2026 addition, and guest players seem to have made a huge difference.

Guest players?

"Guest" is misleading - TX kid who is on the roster.

Question is how many holdbacks and out of state kids did it take to finally get a W against the hawks. Or was it combination of that and new coaching staff. What will some of you do when hoco is done. Also winning hoco isn’t that big of a deal. Check back in after summer let us know how many quality tournaments you won. 26 crabs much better team compared to 27s and seen them those multiple tournaments

First, lets establish how many holdbacks are on hawks - care to provide that? Its Elite, the teams will take whatever holdbacks and out-of-state players that want to play for them. Not affiliated with either of those teams but the better the competition, the more prepared my son will be for high school.

Missing the point on why anyone would compare 26 Crabs with 27 Crabs - or any other teams at different age groups.

Crabs 27 reloaded. Reclass players from all over the country on roster now. They look strong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 27 reloaded. Reclass players from all over the country on roster now. They look strong.

We'll see how strong this weekend. Madlax wins.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 27 reloaded. Reclass players from all over the country on roster now. They look strong.

Strong like some of them should be in 9th grade? Yes your correct

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 27 reloaded. Reclass players from all over the country on roster now. They look strong.

Strong like some of them should be in 9th grade? Yes your correct

Memories of the undefeated TEam 91 MD 2025 which were 23/24 kids?

They will be in the 9th grade in 3 mths.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They will be in the 9th grade in 3 mths.

A decent number will actually be restarting 8th.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They will be in the 9th grade in 3 mths.

A decent number will actually be restarting 8th.

Only the ones that dads didn’t think they played good enough this year .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They will be in the 9th grade in 3 mths.

It isn’t about the holdbacks. It’s about the flyins. HOCO just isn’t what it used to be.

DCE sounds like they have an absentee coaching staff. Coaches showing up after the game has started or not at all multiple times. Totally disorganized from the sound of it. I was curious given how strong the 26s are.

Fly-ins are more pathetic than anything. All the clubs are taking their cues from the hs teams.

The high schools who do it would still be in the hunt for miaa titles, without the rentals. But getting out-of-staters keeps them slightly ahead of the Spaulding and Severns who are now actually recruiting locally and developing their own local talent.

The old guard is happy to fly in and use rental players to preserve their dominance in the league.

Team 91 Dad embarrassed himself pretty badly today.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 Dad embarrassed himself pretty badly today.

What happened? Didn't look like much of a season for them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DCE sounds like they have an absentee coaching staff. Coaches showing up after the game has started or not at all multiple times. Totally disorganized from the sound of it. I was curious given how strong the 26s are.

The Bethesda feed in was pretty weak. Next Level, Madlax and True has bled them dry.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DCE sounds like they have an absentee coaching staff. Coaches showing up after the game has started or not at all multiple times. Totally disorganized from the sound of it. I was curious given how strong the 26s are.

I’ll be surprised if DCE makes it past the summer. Or if they do, they drop the upcoming 2028 team to a lower level and the 27’s go to B tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 Dad embarrassed himself pretty badly today.

Doesn’t matter. Last game with no suspensions to be levied. I guess the Drip Kings playing down with 26’s in box didn’t transfer to field. I think the 2027’s won about 8 games in 7 years of hoco.

That team (91) is a mess and kids will leave.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That team (91) is a mess and kids will leave.

Mm doesn’t get involved like Hogan does. Little discipline.

Nowhere to go for 91 kids going to high school. Rosters are stacked and full unless they go to the all star teams.

Did the 91 dad fall while climbing the bleachers? Really, what could he have done to overshadow the 2 win squad on the field? Please share to continue his embarrassment.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nowhere to go for 91 kids going to high school. Rosters are stacked and full unless they go to the all star teams.

There’s FCA and True.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nowhere to go for 91 kids going to high school. Rosters are stacked and full unless they go to the all star teams.

91 2024 team had 20 recruited and was excellent experience. Go peddle your anger somewheres else.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nowhere to go for 91 kids going to high school. Rosters are stacked and full unless they go to the all star teams.

There’s FCA and True.

For parents with older kids that played - is there generally more or less turnover on teams going into the 9th grade? I've heard there tends to be more but it's not obvious why. It seems like it should be less since there are no more holdbacks being added.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nowhere to go for 91 kids going to high school. Rosters are stacked and full unless they go to the all star teams.

91 2024 team had 20 recruited and was excellent experience. Go peddle your anger somewheres else.

No dog in this fight but teams usually vary a ton between age groups - it's all about the coaches so a comparison with the 2024s is meaningless.

I don't understand the anger with 91 though. They have a bunch of really strong players and were competitive against the top teams including a 1 goal loss to Crabs. They are comfortably one of the top 5 or 6 teams in the DMV. When I've seen them the parents seem normal - no idea what happened with the one Dad this weekend though. Gotta just assume this is someone who's kid didn't make the team throwing shade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the 91 dad fall while climbing the bleachers? Really, what could he have done to overshadow the 2 win squad on the field? Please share to continue his embarrassment.

91 Pole goes up high around the neck with a hold. 30 second releasable penalty not done with intent. 91 Dad, who is not the player's father, starts screaming how soft 91 is and how the penalty is okay with him. NL dads turn around and look in his direction and 91 dad, remember not even the player's father, goes even more haywire challenging the NL dads to a fight. He is now out of his mind. Ref comes over, gives a warning and the 91 Dad as other 91 parents start moving away. Btw, this was a 14-5 game at this point with time running out.

Thoughts on or experience with National I.D. camp this summer? Is there really a process or is it another Apex style money grab? Anyone been? Worth the price tag?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nowhere to go for 91 kids going to high school. Rosters are stacked and full unless they go to the all star teams.

91 2024 team had 20 recruited and was excellent experience. Go peddle your anger somewheres else.

Yeah, MM cared about that team. Doesn't for these. Huge diff. After 26 and down same or worse then B teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the 91 dad fall while climbing the bleachers? Really, what could he have done to overshadow the 2 win squad on the field? Please share to continue his embarrassment.

91 Pole goes up high around the neck with a hold. 30 second releasable penalty not done with intent. 91 Dad, who is not the player's father, starts screaming how soft 91 is and how the penalty is okay with him. NL dads turn around and look in his direction and 91 dad, remember not even the player's father, goes even more haywire challenging the NL dads to a fight. He is now out of his mind. Ref comes over, gives a warning and the 91 Dad as other 91 parents start moving away. Btw, this was a 14-5 game at this point with time running out.

Thanks. I've seen Refs throw parents out of less. 91 (and other clubs) have at least handled that kind of issue in the past well enough. Either suspension for the parent's son or expulsion is typical. Suprised hoco didn't put anything out yet. What's amazing is when people do this and you have careers, especially gov't jobs in this area. What are you doing?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the 91 dad fall while climbing the bleachers? Really, what could he have done to overshadow the 2 win squad on the field? Please share to continue his embarrassment.

91 Pole goes up high around the neck with a hold. 30 second releasable penalty not done with intent. 91 Dad, who is not the player's father, starts screaming how soft 91 is and how the penalty is okay with him. NL dads turn around and look in his direction and 91 dad, remember not even the player's father, goes even more haywire challenging the NL dads to a fight. He is now out of his mind. Ref comes over, gives a warning and the 91 Dad as other 91 parents start moving away. Btw, this was a 14-5 game at this point with time running out.

Pretty accurate, but don't forget the context is that this Dad was "coaching" the 91 team from the stands the whole game, at the top of his lungs, and his coaching was 100% negative and about 75% wrong. Even among lacrosse parents, who generally are not a chill crowd, this guy stood out to the point of being comical. But it turned ugly on the hold penalty when he started challenging all the Next Level parents to come fight him. And, I don't think that he was calling the 91 player soft, but rather he was calling the Next Level players (who were up by 8-10 goals) soft, saying that they needed to be checked harder and more aggressively, which is a not so subtle call for the 91 kids to play dirty. And sadly, it is easy to tell who is his son; the poor kid has to be mortified.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the 91 dad fall while climbing the bleachers? Really, what could he have done to overshadow the 2 win squad on the field? Please share to continue his embarrassment.

91 Pole goes up high around the neck with a hold. 30 second releasable penalty not done with intent. 91 Dad, who is not the player's father, starts screaming how soft 91 is and how the penalty is okay with him. NL dads turn around and look in his direction and 91 dad, remember not even the player's father, goes even more haywire challenging the NL dads to a fight. He is now out of his mind. Ref comes over, gives a warning and the 91 Dad as other 91 parents start moving away. Btw, this was a 14-5 game at this point with time running out.

Pretty accurate, but don't forget the context is that this Dad was "coaching" the 91 team from the stands the whole game, at the top of his lungs, and his coaching was 100% negative and about 75% wrong. Even among lacrosse parents, who generally are not a chill crowd, this guy stood out to the point of being comical. But it turned ugly on the hold penalty when he started challenging all the Next Level parents to come fight him. And, I don't think that he was calling the 91 player soft, but rather he was calling the Next Level players (who were up by 8-10 goals) soft, saying that they needed to be checked harder and more aggressively, which is a not so subtle call for the 91 kids to play dirty. And sadly, it is easy to tell who is his son; the poor kid has to be mortified.

There's no way that father has ever played a meaningful game of lacrosse in his life. Trying to relive it through his son, sad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the 91 dad fall while climbing the bleachers? Really, what could he have done to overshadow the 2 win squad on the field? Please share to continue his embarrassment.

91 Pole goes up high around the neck with a hold. 30 second releasable penalty not done with intent. 91 Dad, who is not the player's father, starts screaming how soft 91 is and how the penalty is okay with him. NL dads turn around and look in his direction and 91 dad, remember not even the player's father, goes even more haywire challenging the NL dads to a fight. He is now out of his mind. Ref comes over, gives a warning and the 91 Dad as other 91 parents start moving away. Btw, this was a 14-5 game at this point with time running out.

Pretty accurate, but don't forget the context is that this Dad was "coaching" the 91 team from the stands the whole game, at the top of his lungs, and his coaching was 100% negative and about 75% wrong. Even among lacrosse parents, who generally are not a chill crowd, this guy stood out to the point of being comical. But it turned ugly on the hold penalty when he started challenging all the Next Level parents to come fight him. And, I don't think that he was calling the 91 player soft, but rather he was calling the Next Level players (who were up by 8-10 goals) soft, saying that they needed to be checked harder and more aggressively, which is a not so subtle call for the 91 kids to play dirty. And sadly, it is easy to tell who is his son; the poor kid has to be mortified.

Definitely surprised by this. Seen 91 many times and don't remember any issues. Always feel bad for the kid in situations like that. The only thing that can come from that is the club moves on and other teams will be hesitant to add him - through no fault of his own. At least it sounds like all the other parents did well not escalating it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thoughts on or experience with National I.D. camp this summer? Is there really a process or is it another Apex style money grab? Anyone been? Worth the price tag?

My son did it recently. He felt like it was very worthwhile and it sounded like a decent amount of talent was there. Had poor experiences with Apex, so def better than that. To be honest it was just a camp to me... so I don't have a ton of background. Just generally positive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the 91 dad fall while climbing the bleachers? Really, what could he have done to overshadow the 2 win squad on the field? Please share to continue his embarrassment.

91 Pole goes up high around the neck with a hold. 30 second releasable penalty not done with intent. 91 Dad, who is not the player's father, starts screaming how soft 91 is and how the penalty is okay with him. NL dads turn around and look in his direction and 91 dad, remember not even the player's father, goes even more haywire challenging the NL dads to a fight. He is now out of his mind. Ref comes over, gives a warning and the 91 Dad as other 91 parents start moving away. Btw, this was a 14-5 game at this point with time running out.

Thanks. I've seen Refs throw parents out of less. 91 (and other clubs) have at least handled that kind of issue in the past well enough. Either suspension for the parent's son or expulsion is typical. Suprised hoco didn't put anything out yet. What's amazing is when people do this and you have careers, especially gov't jobs in this area. What are you doing?

Don't try to apply logic to a parent challenging other parents to a fight at a sporting event. That won't work. Clearly dude is nuts.

I read through the 91 thread in the MD forum and darn is it angry. Honestly, I thought 91 looked really good at times this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the 91 dad fall while climbing the bleachers? Really, what could he have done to overshadow the 2 win squad on the field? Please share to continue his embarrassment.

91 Pole goes up high around the neck with a hold. 30 second releasable penalty not done with intent. 91 Dad, who is not the player's father, starts screaming how soft 91 is and how the penalty is okay with him. NL dads turn around and look in his direction and 91 dad, remember not even the player's father, goes even more haywire challenging the NL dads to a fight. He is now out of his mind. Ref comes over, gives a warning and the 91 Dad as other 91 parents start moving away. Btw, this was a 14-5 game at this point with time running out.

Pretty accurate, but don't forget the context is that this Dad was "coaching" the 91 team from the stands the whole game, at the top of his lungs, and his coaching was 100% negative and about 75% wrong. Even among lacrosse parents, who generally are not a chill crowd, this guy stood out to the point of being comical. But it turned ugly on the hold penalty when he started challenging all the Next Level parents to come fight him. And, I don't think that he was calling the 91 player soft, but rather he was calling the Next Level players (who were up by 8-10 goals) soft, saying that they needed to be checked harder and more aggressively, which is a not so subtle call for the 91 kids to play dirty. And sadly, it is easy to tell who is his son; the poor kid has to be mortified.

Definitely surprised by this. Seen 91 many times and don't remember any issues. Always feel bad for the kid in situations like that. The only thing that can come from that is the club moves on and other teams will be hesitant to add him - through no fault of his own. At least it sounds like all the other parents did well not escalating it.

Bit of the opposite problem the other year with Sidewinder parents against Team 91. I think that last game and a frustrating season can let that freak flag fly!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thoughts on or experience with National I.D. camp this summer? Is there really a process or is it another Apex style money grab? Anyone been? Worth the price tag?

My son did it recently. He felt like it was very worthwhile and it sounded like a decent amount of talent was there. Had poor experiences with Apex, so def better than that. To be honest it was just a camp to me... so I don't have a ton of background. Just generally positive.

Thank you. I guess I set the bar pretty low mentioning Apex, lol. I appreciate you sharing your take on the camp though.

Son plays for the Crabs. 91 gave us fits this year. Needed all 4 Q to beat them. They had some good players all over the field.
National ID Camp is good. It's a Crabs run camp. My son did it last year. Old-school overnight camp atmosphere.
Lots of very good players from around the nation. Nice location, but a tad far out of the way from the Baltimore DC area. Kid had a blast and really enjoyed meeting kids from other clubs.
Given the gouging that goes on in lax, I thought it was one of the better deals for the money, to be honest with you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Son plays for the Crabs. 91 gave us fits this year. Needed all 4 Q to beat them. They had some good players all over the field.
National ID Camp is good. It's a Crabs run camp. My son did it last year. Old-school overnight camp atmosphere.
Lots of very good players from around the nation. Nice location, but a tad far out of the way from the Baltimore DC area. Kid had a blast and really enjoyed meeting kids from other clubs.
Given the gouging that goes on in lax, I thought it was one of the better deals for the money, to be honest with you.

Thanks for this too. “Applied”. Now we wait.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the 91 dad fall while climbing the bleachers? Really, what could he have done to overshadow the 2 win squad on the field? Please share to continue his embarrassment.

91 Pole goes up high around the neck with a hold. 30 second releasable penalty not done with intent. 91 Dad, who is not the player's father, starts screaming how soft 91 is and how the penalty is okay with him. NL dads turn around and look in his direction and 91 dad, remember not even the player's father, goes even more haywire challenging the NL dads to a fight. He is now out of his mind. Ref comes over, gives a warning and the 91 Dad as other 91 parents start moving away. Btw, this was a 14-5 game at this point with time running out.

Pretty accurate, but don't forget the context is that this Dad was "coaching" the 91 team from the stands the whole game, at the top of his lungs, and his coaching was 100% negative and about 75% wrong. Even among lacrosse parents, who generally are not a chill crowd, this guy stood out to the point of being comical. But it turned ugly on the hold penalty when he started challenging all the Next Level parents to come fight him. And, I don't think that he was calling the 91 player soft, but rather he was calling the Next Level players (who were up by 8-10 goals) soft, saying that they needed to be checked harder and more aggressively, which is a not so subtle call for the 91 kids to play dirty. And sadly, it is easy to tell who is his son; the poor kid has to be mortified.

Definitely surprised by this. Seen 91 many times and don't remember any issues. Always feel bad for the kid in situations like that. The only thing that can come from that is the club moves on and other teams will be hesitant to add him - through no fault of his own. At least it sounds like all the other parents did well not escalating it.

Bit of the opposite problem the other year with Sidewinder parents against Team 91. I think that last game and a frustrating season can let that freak flag fly!

What are you talking about? Sidewinders and Team 91 aren't even in the same division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Son plays for the Crabs. 91 gave us fits this year. Needed all 4 Q to beat them. They had some good players all over the field.
National ID Camp is good. It's a Crabs run camp. My son did it last year. Old-school overnight camp atmosphere.
Lots of very good players from around the nation. Nice location, but a tad far out of the way from the Baltimore DC area. Kid had a blast and really enjoyed meeting kids from other clubs.
Given the gouging that goes on in lax, I thought it was one of the better deals for the money, to be honest with you.

Original replier here. I agree with all of that, mine has done Navy and Apex and a bunch of the other eLiTE!!!1 camps. This was his favorite. The old school camp atmosphere I think makes it feel special to the boys. You’re out in the country and it’s just lax and hanging out. Top 20-50 clubs last year were well represented. He said competition was great.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Son plays for the Crabs. 91 gave us fits this year. Needed all 4 Q to beat them. They had some good players all over the field.
National ID Camp is good. It's a Crabs run camp. My son did it last year. Old-school overnight camp atmosphere.
Lots of very good players from around the nation. Nice location, but a tad far out of the way from the Baltimore DC area. Kid had a blast and really enjoyed meeting kids from other clubs.
Given the gouging that goes on in lax, I thought it was one of the better deals for the money, to be honest with you.

Original replier here. I agree with all of that, mine has done Navy and Apex and a bunch of the other eLiTE!!!1 camps. This was his favorite. The old school camp atmosphere I think makes it feel special to the boys. You’re out in the country and it’s just lax and hanging out. Top 20-50 clubs last year were well represented. He said competition was great.

That sounds perfect! Hopefully they’ll accept him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Son plays for the Crabs. 91 gave us fits this year. Needed all 4 Q to beat them. They had some good players all over the field.
National ID Camp is good. It's a Crabs run camp. My son did it last year. Old-school overnight camp atmosphere.
Lots of very good players from around the nation. Nice location, but a tad far out of the way from the Baltimore DC area. Kid had a blast and really enjoyed meeting kids from other clubs.
Given the gouging that goes on in lax, I thought it was one of the better deals for the money, to be honest with you.

Original replier here. I agree with all of that, mine has done Navy and Apex and a bunch of the other eLiTE!!!1 camps. This was his favorite. The old school camp atmosphere I think makes it feel special to the boys. You’re out in the country and it’s just lax and hanging out. Top 20-50 clubs last year were well represented. He said competition was great.

I have not been that impressed by Navy camps over the last few years. Perhaps they've improved or better in the older years. It was pricier then other camps, had few actual Navy lax people and just other issues.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what happened to the Daddy coach?

After he drove away 3-4 key players to NL, they hired someone else. Big improvement.[/quote]

Not true at all. The head coach, nominally, was changed a couple of years ago. The dad remains the asst, in name only. He is the only voice on the sidelines and runs the team. That said, the team is much improved this year by adding at least 3-4 new starters from outside the immediate area. They could win the league this year with a little luck.[/quote]

Well that didn’t age well. Instead of getting blown out by the Hawks and Next Level as expected, they found a way to lose to Crabs, proving once again that daddy ball doesn’t work.

Win/lose, 2008/2009, Daddy Ball, Over sized rosters, fly in players and all of the other complaints listed on this forum. Am I the only parent who enjoyed the competition in the elite division this year? My son’s team did not make it to the championship which [Censored]! BUT it was really FUN to watch him compete with his team! There is so much talent in the 2027 class! I saw amazing players across the board. Many new kids and many who have been around for sometime. HOCO was both competitive and fun in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Win/lose, 2008/2009, Daddy Ball, Over sized rosters, fly in players and all of the other complaints listed on this forum. Am I the only parent who enjoyed the competition in the elite division this year? My son’s team did not make it to the championship which [Censored]! BUT it was really FUN to watch him compete with his team! There is so much talent in the 2027 class! I saw amazing players across the board. Many new kids and many who have been around for sometime. HOCO was both competitive and fun in my opinion.

That kind of sportsmanlike talk will not be tolerated here or at Troy Park!

I agree with you. My kid has friends on several other elite teams and a couple other brackets. We still supoort those kids and it’s nice to see them grow and olay through their healthy little “rivalries” for lack of a better word.

We were watching NCAA ball this weekend and thought we’ll probably see names we recognize out there in years to come. Maybe my kid, maybe not, I really don’t care or plan that far ahead, but for sure there will be some that we watched this Spring show up on ESPN down the road. And it will be fun to see regardless of what club they played for, when their birthday is, what zip code they come from, etc.

Absolutely, I couldn’t agree with you more!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Win/lose, 2008/2009, Daddy Ball, Over sized rosters, fly in players and all of the other complaints listed on this forum. Am I the only parent who enjoyed the competition in the elite division this year? My son’s team did not make it to the championship which [Censored]! BUT it was really FUN to watch him compete with his team! There is so much talent in the 2027 class! I saw amazing players across the board. Many new kids and many who have been around for sometime. HOCO was both competitive and fun in my opinion.

That kind of sportsmanlike talk will not be tolerated here or at Troy Park!

I agree with you. My kid has friends on several other elite teams and a couple other brackets. We still supoort those kids and it’s nice to see them grow and olay through their healthy little “rivalries” for lack of a better word.

We were watching NCAA ball this weekend and thought we’ll probably see names we recognize out there in years to come. Maybe my kid, maybe not, I really don’t care or plan that far ahead, but for sure there will be some that we watched this Spring show up on ESPN down the road. And it will be fun to see regardless of what club they played for, when their birthday is, what zip code they come from, etc.

My kid’s team didn’t make the playoffs, but had a great year in Elite. Great, competitive lx every weekend.hvazah Echo all the things you said.

I think 27 has been great during my sons time in the league. Kids/parents/coaches all generally solid. Always a few fool parents but seems like 27 has fewer than others. Amazing that Hawks were able to finish it off and with most of the same kids who have been there for years - very impressive. Lots of top-tier talent throughout though and it will be fun to see where all the kids show up next.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think 27 has been great during my sons time in the league. Kids/parents/coaches all generally solid. Always a few fool parents but seems like 27 has fewer than others. Amazing that Hawks were able to finish it off and with most of the same kids who have been there for years - very impressive. Lots of top-tier talent throughout though and it will be fun to see where all the kids show up next.

Couldn’t have said it better myself!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think 27 has been great during my sons time in the league. Kids/parents/coaches all generally solid. Always a few fool parents but seems like 27 has fewer than others. Amazing that Hawks were able to finish it off and with most of the same kids who have been there for years - very impressive. Lots of top-tier talent throughout though and it will be fun to see where all the kids show up next.

Hey hawks parent most of the kids use to be on that 27 team.

How in the world did the above post make it past a moderator... come on BOTC

Since the 2028s are not affected by the new age rules, how many 2027 Crabs will be holding back before high school?

HoCo was a great experience. We played in AAA Team MD with only 1 season in Elite. Thought we deserved to be there this past year not sure what happened politics I guess. I think we would have won a few games and been as competitive as the rest other than top couple. Looking forward to seeing how the group stacks up this Summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HoCo was a great experience. We played in AAA Team MD with only 1 season in Elite. Thought we deserved to be there this past year not sure what happened politics I guess. I think we would have won a few games and been as competitive as the rest other than top couple. Looking forward to seeing how the group stacks up this Summer.

I agree. I’m not sure how much politics played a role but there always seems to be a gap between the top 4 and bottom 4.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HoCo was a great experience. We played in AAA Team MD with only 1 season in Elite. Thought we deserved to be there this past year not sure what happened politics I guess. I think we would have won a few games and been as competitive as the rest other than top couple. Looking forward to seeing how the group stacks up this Summer.

I agree. I’m not sure how much politics played a role but there always seems to be a gap between the top 4 and bottom 4.

My assumption was always that Team MD declined the opportunity to be the 8th team in Elite. Judging by their social media posts it seems like they prefer to win AAA than finish last in Elite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HoCo was a great experience. We played in AAA Team MD with only 1 season in Elite. Thought we deserved to be there this past year not sure what happened politics I guess. I think we would have won a few games and been as competitive as the rest other than top couple. Looking forward to seeing how the group stacks up this Summer.

I agree. I’m not sure how much politics played a role but there always seems to be a gap between the top 4 and bottom 4.

My assumption was always that Team MD declined the opportunity to be the 8th team in Elite. Judging by their social media posts it seems like they prefer to win AAA than finish last in Elite.

Get holdbacks, get the win seems to work well for Crabs and Hawks. 91 just needs to actually practice.

For Team MD, there were no politics. They absolutely declined to go back up to elite knowing they could realistically win 1 game.

For the Crabs holdbacks from '27 to '28. Expect 1-2 current Crabs and another 2-3 from other clubs to repeat 8th grade and be on the '28 roster.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For Team MD, there were no politics. They absolutely declined to go back up to elite knowing they could realistically win 1 game.

For the Crabs holdbacks from '27 to '28. Expect 1-2 current Crabs and another 2-3 from other clubs to repeat 8th grade and be on the '28 roster.

Did AAA have shot clocks too? Tournaments aren't doing this yet but seems like this was a good thing across the board for middle school teams.

From GHCLC
No shot clock – There will be no shot clock (see “Game Time/Counts” section) (2027 Elite and 2028 Elite excluded)

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

HoCo was a great experience. We played in AAA Team MD with only 1 season in Elite. Thought we deserved to be there this past year not sure what happened politics I guess. I think we would have won a few games and been as competitive as the rest other than top couple. Looking forward to seeing how the group stacks up this Summer.

Sounds like typical TMD communication. Your director and leadership would much rather win a lesser title than get teeth removed in elite.

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Madlax caught cheating again at Naptown. At least 1 2026 was playing down in the 2027 division under the old "reclassing this fall" defense. Madlax claimed they thought it was okay and because there was no age or class verification in place, The player didn't exactly hide it as he was wearing his Deerfield helmet. Hogan didn't do anything except tell them the high schooler couldn't play the next day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax caught cheating again at Naptown. At least 1 2026 was playing down in the 2027 division under the old "reclassing this fall" defense. Madlax claimed they thought it was okay and because there was no age or class verification in place, The player didn't exactly hide it as he was wearing his Deerfield helmet. Hogan didn't do anything except tell them the high schooler couldn't play the next day.

Part of game. Grow up and take on coopetition

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax caught cheating again at Naptown. At least 1 2026 was playing down in the 2027 division under the old "reclassing this fall" defense. Madlax claimed they thought it was okay and because there was no age or class verification in place, The player didn't exactly hide it as he was wearing his Deerfield helmet. Hogan didn't do anything except tell them the high schooler couldn't play the next day.

Part of game. Grow up and take on coopetition

Says the D Bag. I hope that was sarcasm. You got out just in time and your kid still stinks.
https://nationallacrossefederation.com/ageverificationpolicy/

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Madlax caught cheating again at Naptown. At least 1 2026 was playing down in the 2027 division under the old "reclassing this fall" defense. Madlax claimed they thought it was okay and because there was no age or class verification in place, The player didn't exactly hide it as he was wearing his Deerfield helmet. Hogan didn't do anything except tell them the high schooler couldn't play the next day.

Part of game. Grow up and take on coopetition[/quote

Or reclass like your kid because he can’t play with his age group….

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax caught cheating again at Naptown. At least 1 2026 was playing down in the 2027 division under the old "reclassing this fall" defense. Madlax claimed they thought it was okay and because there was no age or class verification in place, The player didn't exactly hide it as he was wearing his Deerfield helmet. Hogan didn't do anything except tell them the high schooler couldn't play the next day.

Part of game. Grow up and take on coopetition

It’s annoying but everyone does it. My own sons team has a kid doing the same thing, and I would be apoplectic if the whole team was DQ’d.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Madlax caught cheating again at Naptown. At least 1 2026 was playing down in the 2027 division under the old "reclassing this fall" defense. Madlax claimed they thought it was okay and because there was no age or class verification in place, The player didn't exactly hide it as he was wearing his Deerfield helmet. Hogan didn't do anything except tell them the high schooler couldn't play the next day.

Part of game. Grow up and take on coopetition

Or reclass like your kid because he can’t play with his age group….

It is within the rules, so there is that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax caught cheating again at Naptown. At least 1 2026 was playing down in the 2027 division under the old "reclassing this fall" defense. Madlax claimed they thought it was okay and because there was no age or class verification in place, The player didn't exactly hide it as he was wearing his Deerfield helmet. Hogan didn't do anything except tell them the high schooler couldn't play the next day.

Nice of next level mom to hurry onto this site to single a kid out. Probably made the phone call to turn him in as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Madlax caught cheating again at Naptown. At least 1 2026 was playing down in the 2027 division under the old "reclassing this fall" defense. Madlax claimed they thought it was okay and because there was no age or class verification in place, The player didn't exactly hide it as he was wearing his Deerfield helmet. Hogan didn't do anything except tell them the high schooler couldn't play the next day.

Part of game. Grow up and take on coopetition

Or reclass like your kid because he can’t play with his age group….

It is within the rules, so there is that.

Bingo. I don’t like the reclass rules for 2027, but struggling to see the issue here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax caught cheating again at Naptown. At least 1 2026 was playing down in the 2027 division under the old "reclassing this fall" defense. Madlax claimed they thought it was okay and because there was no age or class verification in place, The player didn't exactly hide it as he was wearing his Deerfield helmet. Hogan didn't do anything except tell them the high schooler couldn't play the next day.

Part of game. Grow up and take on coopetition

It’s annoying but everyone does it. My own sons team has a kid doing the same thing, and I would be apoplectic if the whole team was DQ’d.

So you're so scared of your kid being kicked off the team by saying something, you are willing to cheat? And you also realize the presence of cheating rosters pushes your own kid down the line with less playing time. I can only guess your kid is so bad you are willing to cheat so that he has some adult memory of playing on a team which won a few more games. Why aren't you apoplectic to the coach about risking being dq'd? If the team is short on players, why not bring kids up from the class below? Why is it always fill from above?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Madlax caught cheating again at Naptown. At least 1 2026 was playing down in the 2027 division under the old "reclassing this fall" defense. Madlax claimed they thought it was okay and because there was no age or class verification in place, The player didn't exactly hide it as he was wearing his Deerfield helmet. Hogan didn't do anything except tell them the high schooler couldn't play the next day.

Part of game. Grow up and take on coopetition

Or reclass like your kid because he can’t play with his age group….

It is within the rules, so there is that.

Bingo. I don’t like the reclass rules for 2027, but struggling to see the issue here.

Aren’t all 2027’s high schoolers at this point?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Madlax caught cheating again at Naptown. At least 1 2026 was playing down in the 2027 division under the old "reclassing this fall" defense. Madlax claimed they thought it was okay and because there was no age or class verification in place, The player didn't exactly hide it as he was wearing his Deerfield helmet. Hogan didn't do anything except tell them the high schooler couldn't play the next day.

Part of game. Grow up and take on coopetition

Or reclass like your kid because he can’t play with his age group….

It is within the rules, so there is that.

Bingo. I don’t like the reclass rules for 2027, but struggling to see the issue here.

My on-age 2027 rising 9th grader has practiced with his HS team and has gotten his helmet so not really a smoking gun.

It is funny that they thought it was ok given that rule #1 in the Player Eligibility is: "All players must compete in the division with the class they were in during the 2022-2023 Academic year."

Looks like Madlax paid the price versus Red Hots in the quarterfinals the next day. Heard some Red Hots parents stormed the field afterwards to rub it in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like Madlax paid the price versus Red Hots in the quarterfinals the next day. Heard some Red Hots parents stormed the field afterwards to rub it in.

Real classy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like Madlax paid the price versus Red Hots in the quarterfinals the next day. Heard some Red Hots parents stormed the field afterwards to rub it in.

I can never get too excited about a Red Hots win but with Madlax cheating in 2027 and quitting in 2028 I guess that's a good outcome.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Madlax caught cheating again at Naptown. At least 1 2026 was playing down in the 2027 division under the old "reclassing this fall" defense. Madlax claimed they thought it was okay and because there was no age or class verification in place, The player didn't exactly hide it as he was wearing his Deerfield helmet. Hogan didn't do anything except tell them the high schooler couldn't play the next day.

Part of game. Grow up and take on coopetition

Or reclass like your kid because he can’t play with his age group….

It is within the rules, so there is that.

Bingo. I don’t like the reclass rules for 2027, but struggling to see the issue here.

My on-age 2027 rising 9th grader has practiced with his HS team and has gotten his helmet so not really a smoking gun.

It is funny that they thought it was ok given that rule #1 in the Player Eligibility is: "All players must compete in the division with the class they were in during the 2022-2023 Academic year."

Different summer tournaments have different rules, and some don't have a clearly stated rule at all. But if Naptown indeed had that rule and MadLax just blew it off, that is pretty bad. It's a shame that Hogan didn't kick them out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like Madlax paid the price versus Red Hots in the quarterfinals the next day. Heard some Red Hots parents stormed the field afterwards to rub it in.

I can never get too excited about a Red Hots win but with Madlax cheating in 2027 and quitting in 2028 I guess that's a good outcome.

what happened in 2028?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax caught cheating again at Naptown. At least 1 2026 was playing down in the 2027 division under the old "reclassing this fall" defense. Madlax claimed they thought it was okay and because there was no age or class verification in place, The player didn't exactly hide it as he was wearing his Deerfield helmet. Hogan didn't do anything except tell them the high schooler couldn't play the next day.

Nice of next level mom to hurry onto this site to single a kid out. Probably made the phone call to turn him in as well.

NLM has no problem with Deerfield. Her issue is with McDonough and his Dad. But both players have been in the 2027 class for years, so the illegal player(s) must have been a current 2026 who is repeating 9th grade this fall?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like Madlax paid the price versus Red Hots in the quarterfinals the next day. Heard some Red Hots parents stormed the field afterwards to rub it in.

Real classy

Red Hots and Nationals parents are some of the worst.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like Madlax paid the price versus Red Hots in the quarterfinals the next day. Heard some Red Hots parents stormed the field afterwards to rub it in.

Real classy

Red Hots and Nationals parents are some of the worst.

Talk about something made of nothing- RH are mostly smoke, mirrors, roster trading, and social media. The National team is mostly free agents from MD Crabs/FCA/91. With a couple Red Hots AA players mixed in. It's why their performances vary so much. When those kids have tournaments with their real clubs, or they are left ot the RH AA kids, they struggle.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax caught cheating again at Naptown. At least 1 2026 was playing down in the 2027 division under the old "reclassing this fall" defense. Madlax claimed they thought it was okay and because there was no age or class verification in place, The player didn't exactly hide it as he was wearing his Deerfield helmet. Hogan didn't do anything except tell them the high schooler couldn't play the next day.

Nice of next level mom to hurry onto this site to single a kid out. Probably made the phone call to turn him in as well.

detest to inform you. The person calling in the 26 was a 27 Madlax parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax caught cheating again at Naptown. At least 1 2026 was playing down in the 2027 division under the old "reclassing this fall" defense. Madlax claimed they thought it was okay and because there was no age or class verification in place, The player didn't exactly hide it as he was wearing his Deerfield helmet. Hogan didn't do anything except tell them the high schooler couldn't play the next day.

Nice of next level mom to hurry onto this site to single a kid out. Probably made the phone call to turn him in as well.

detest to inform you. The person calling in the 26 was a 27 Madlax parent.

NLM didn't turn them in, but I bet she is LHAO at MadLax. The 2026's lost practically all their players, the 2027's are ratting on each other for cheating, and the 2028's chose to forfeit in the middle of a game. They were down 0-3 early, had a weather delay, so Cab told his own players to go home.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax caught cheating again at Naptown. At least 1 2026 was playing down in the 2027 division under the old "reclassing this fall" defense. Madlax claimed they thought it was okay and because there was no age or class verification in place, The player didn't exactly hide it as he was wearing his Deerfield helmet. Hogan didn't do anything except tell them the high schooler couldn't play the next day.

Nice of next level mom to hurry onto this site to single a kid out. Probably made the phone call to turn him in as well.

detest to inform you. The person calling in the 26 was a 27 Madlax parent.

serious question - why would someone turn in their own team for roster cheating?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax caught cheating again at Naptown. At least 1 2026 was playing down in the 2027 division under the old "reclassing this fall" defense. Madlax claimed they thought it was okay and because there was no age or class verification in place, The player didn't exactly hide it as he was wearing his Deerfield helmet. Hogan didn't do anything except tell them the high schooler couldn't play the next day.

Nice of next level mom to hurry onto this site to single a kid out. Probably made the phone call to turn him in as well.

detest to inform you. The person calling in the 26 was a 27 Madlax parent.

serious question - why would someone turn in their own team for roster cheating?

They don't want to be part of an organization that actively cheats and/or the 26 player took their kids playing time.

Because she was burned her kid didn't get playing time after paying a bunch of money for uniforms and dues to have to watch some older kid play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax caught cheating again at Naptown. At least 1 2026 was playing down in the 2027 division under the old "reclassing this fall" defense. Madlax claimed they thought it was okay and because there was no age or class verification in place, The player didn't exactly hide it as he was wearing his Deerfield helmet. Hogan didn't do anything except tell them the high schooler couldn't play the next day.

Nice of next level mom to hurry onto this site to single a kid out. Probably made the phone call to turn him in as well.

detest to inform you. The person calling in the 26 was a 27 Madlax parent.

serious question - why would someone turn in their own team for roster cheating?

They don't want to be part of an organization that actively cheats and/or the 26 player took their kids playing time.

if a family has a problem with deliberate cheating or with drop-in players, I'd say they chose the wrong program!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Because she was burned her kid didn't get playing time after paying a bunch of money for uniforms and dues to have to watch some older kid play.

what position does her kid play?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax caught cheating again at Naptown. At least 1 2026 was playing down in the 2027 division under the old "reclassing this fall" defense. Madlax claimed they thought it was okay and because there was no age or class verification in place, The player didn't exactly hide it as he was wearing his Deerfield helmet. Hogan didn't do anything except tell them the high schooler couldn't play the next day.

Nice of next level mom to hurry onto this site to single a kid out. Probably made the phone call to turn him in as well.

Next Level parents are the worst followed closely by their kids. But what do you expect from trailer park knuckle draggers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax caught cheating again at Naptown. At least 1 2026 was playing down in the 2027 division under the old "reclassing this fall" defense. Madlax claimed they thought it was okay and because there was no age or class verification in place, The player didn't exactly hide it as he was wearing his Deerfield helmet. Hogan didn't do anything except tell them the high schooler couldn't play the next day.

Nice of next level mom to hurry onto this site to single a kid out. Probably made the phone call to turn him in as well.

Next Level parents are the worst followed closely by their kids. But what do you expect from trailer park knuckle draggers.

no, it was a MadLax Mom who turned in her own team, because the illegal player was cutting into her son's playing time. Next Level wasn't even at the tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax caught cheating again at Naptown. At least 1 2026 was playing down in the 2027 division under the old "reclassing this fall" defense. Madlax claimed they thought it was okay and because there was no age or class verification in place, The player didn't exactly hide it as he was wearing his Deerfield helmet. Hogan didn't do anything except tell them the high schooler couldn't play the next day.

Nice of next level mom to hurry onto this site to single a kid out. Probably made the phone call to turn him in as well.

Next Level parents are the worst followed closely by their kids. But what do you expect from trailer park knuckle draggers.

Wow, I thought ML was worst, followed by Hawks, Crabs then with Red Hots and Nationals right behind them. Add NL to the mix now.

A Madlax parent did not turn their own team in. That is absurd. Most likely it’s NLM who is posting that fabrication.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A Madlax parent did not turn their own team in. That is absurd. Most likely it’s NLM who is posting that fabrication.

I bet it was indeed a MadLax parent, which would explain why Hogan only kicked out the illegal player, and did not DQ the whole team. It was probably framed as a "clarification" of what is allowed, rather than outright cheating, which is what an opposing team would have called it. The NLM theory doesn't hold up because Next Level was not playing at the event. and besides, considering that Next Level has beaten MadLax every time since the player departed (hard to believe it has been two years!), I doubt that NLM spends much time thinking about MadLax anymore. maybe a little, but she's not drive to random events to police who is on their roster.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A Madlax parent did not turn their own team in. That is absurd. Most likely it’s NLM who is posting that fabrication.

you think its absurd for a parent to go on the warpath because an over-age, guest player showed up and took up her son's playing time? I guess you don't know the parents on this team very well.

just a wild guess - did the over-age player happen to be an offensive mid-fielder?

For those who don't know-

HelI hath no fury like a Lax Mom scorned.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A Madlax parent did not turn their own team in. That is absurd. Most likely it’s NLM who is posting that fabrication.

I bet it was indeed a MadLax parent, which would explain why Hogan only kicked out the illegal player, and did not DQ the whole team. It was probably framed as a "clarification" of what is allowed, rather than outright cheating, which is what an opposing team would have called it. The NLM theory doesn't hold up because Next Level was not playing at the event. and besides, considering that Next Level has beaten MadLax every time since the player departed (hard to believe it has been two years!), I doubt that NLM spends much time thinking about MadLax anymore. maybe a little, but she's not drive to random events to police who is on their roster.

Ok NLM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A Madlax parent did not turn their own team in. That is absurd. Most likely it’s NLM who is posting that fabrication.

I bet it was indeed a MadLax parent, which would explain why Hogan only kicked out the illegal player, and did not DQ the whole team. It was probably framed as a "clarification" of what is allowed, rather than outright cheating, which is what an opposing team would have called it. The NLM theory doesn't hold up because Next Level was not playing at the event. and besides, considering that Next Level has beaten MadLax every time since the player departed (hard to believe it has been two years!), I doubt that NLM spends much time thinking about MadLax anymore. maybe a little, but she's not drive to random events to police who is on their roster.

Ok NLM

once again, NL was not playing in the event! but nice to know that NLM is living rent free in your head all this time.

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Over 75 kids at FCA 27 tryouts? Something happen?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Over 75 kids at FCA 27 tryouts? Something happen?

FCA 2027 adding a 2nd team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Over 75 kids at FCA 27 tryouts? Something happen?

FCA 2027 adding a 2nd team.

They have around 100 players trying out for 2027.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Over 75 kids at FCA 27 tryouts? Something happen?

FCA 2027 adding a 2nd team.

They have around 100 players trying out for 2027.

Enough to make a 3rd team? With some teams seemingly blowing up in the market, maybe.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Over 75 kids at FCA 27 tryouts? Something happen?

FCA 2027 adding a 2nd team.

They have around 100 players trying out for 2027.

Enough to make a 3rd team? With some teams seemingly blowing up in the market, maybe.

That seems unlikely. Having that many qualified coaches is a stretch for any club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Over 75 kids at FCA 27 tryouts? Something happen?

FCA 2027 adding a 2nd team.

They have around 100 players trying out for 2027.

More than a handful of yellow crabs helmets from what I could tell. A few team 91, breakers is folding, True Baltimore seems to be a mess, and the better players from LTLC, Kelly post, and other rec programs trying to figure out options.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Over 75 kids at FCA 27 tryouts? Something happen?

FCA 2027 adding a 2nd team.

They have around 100 players trying out for 2027.

Enough to make a 3rd team? With some teams seemingly blowing up in the market, maybe.

That seems unlikely. Having that many qualified coaches is a stretch for any club.

The coach FCA announced for the 2027 white team is the former head coach of TL Baltimore Black. Safe bet that the white team will be just as bad as the TL Baltimore Black team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Over 75 kids at FCA 27 tryouts? Something happen?

FCA 2027 adding a 2nd team.

They have around 100 players trying out for 2027.

Enough to make a 3rd team? With some teams seemingly blowing up in the market, maybe.

That seems unlikely. Having that many qualified coaches is a stretch for any club.

Good point! Didn’t think of that. My fault.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

Over 75 kids at FCA 27 tryouts? Something happen?

FCA 2027 adding a 2nd team.

They have around 100 players trying out for 2027.

Enough to make a 3rd team? With some teams seemingly blowing up in the market, maybe.

That seems unlikely. Having that many qualified coaches is a stretch for any club.

The coach FCA announced for the 2027 white team is the former head coach of TL Baltimore Black. Safe bet that the white team will be just as bad as the TL Baltimore Black team.

The FCA White Coach is the former True Baltimore Black Coach along with the Daddy Ball sidekick. Not sure what qualifications he has to coach. I’m pretty sure he’s just there to make sure his son gets a spot on the team because otherwise he wouldn’t be playing anywhere. If possible I would expect this FCA White team to perform worse than True Baltimore Black.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Over 75 kids at FCA 27 tryouts? Something happen?

FCA 2027 adding a 2nd team.

They have around 100 players trying out for 2027.

Enough to make a 3rd team? With some teams seemingly blowing up in the market, maybe.

That seems unlikely. Having that many qualified coaches is a stretch for any club.

The coach FCA announced for the 2027 white team is the former head coach of TL Baltimore Black. Safe bet that the white team will be just as bad as the TL Baltimore Black team.

The FCA White Coach is the former True Baltimore Black Coach along with the Daddy Ball sidekick. Not sure what qualifications he has to coach. I’m pretty sure he’s just there to make sure his son gets a spot on the team because otherwise he wouldn’t be playing anywhere. If possible I would expect this FCA White team to perform worse than True Baltimore Black.

is this the former koopers team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Over 75 kids at FCA 27 tryouts? Something happen?

FCA 2027 adding a 2nd team.

They have around 100 players trying out for 2027.

Enough to make a 3rd team? With some teams seemingly blowing up in the market, maybe.

That seems unlikely. Having that many qualified coaches is a stretch for any club.

The coach FCA announced for the 2027 white team is the former head coach of TL Baltimore Black. Safe bet that the white team will be just as bad as the TL Baltimore Black team.

The FCA White Coach is the former True Baltimore Black Coach along with the Daddy Ball sidekick. Not sure what qualifications he has to coach. I’m pretty sure he’s just there to make sure his son gets a spot on the team because otherwise he wouldn’t be playing anywhere. If possible I would expect this FCA White team to perform worse than True Baltimore Black.

is this the former koopers team?

It was. Same sad coaching staff.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Over 75 kids at FCA 27 tryouts? Something happen?

FCA 2027 adding a 2nd team.

They have around 100 players trying out for 2027.

Enough to make a 3rd team? With some teams seemingly blowing up in the market, maybe.

That seems unlikely. Having that many qualified coaches is a stretch for any club.

The coach FCA announced for the 2027 white team is the former head coach of TL Baltimore Black. Safe bet that the white team will be just as bad as the TL Baltimore Black team.

The FCA White Coach is the former True Baltimore Black Coach along with the Daddy Ball sidekick. Not sure what qualifications he has to coach. I’m pretty sure he’s just there to make sure his son gets a spot on the team because otherwise he wouldn’t be playing anywhere. If possible I would expect this FCA White team to perform worse than True Baltimore Black.

His qualifications include carrying the ball bag and his sons equipment bag, informing the team what time to be at the field and then showing up 20 minutes later, jabber-jawing with other coaches and parents and then at game time tries to run the box, but ends up sending a pole who was serving a penalty back on the field when the penalty expired only to immediately go back on man down because there were too many poles on the field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Over 75 kids at FCA 27 tryouts? Something happen?

FCA 2027 adding a 2nd team.

They have around 100 players trying out for 2027.

Enough to make a 3rd team? With some teams seemingly blowing up in the market, maybe.

That seems unlikely. Having that many qualified coaches is a stretch for any club.

The coach FCA announced for the 2027 white team is the former head coach of TL Baltimore Black. Safe bet that the white team will be just as bad as the TL Baltimore Black team.

The FCA White Coach is the former True Baltimore Black Coach along with the Daddy Ball sidekick. Not sure what qualifications he has to coach. I’m pretty sure he’s just there to make sure his son gets a spot on the team because otherwise he wouldn’t be playing anywhere. If possible I would expect this FCA White team to perform worse than True Baltimore Black.

His qualifications include carrying the ball bag and his sons equipment bag, informing the team what time to be at the field and then showing up 20 minutes later, jabber-jawing with other coaches and parents and then at game time tries to run the box, but ends up sending a pole who was serving a penalty back on the field when the penalty expired only to immediately go back on man down because there were too many poles on the field.

You obviously have some personal issues with the team and hopefully you shared them with the people involved and aren't just venting on an anonymous board. That being said, I'm surprised so many kids came out to tryouts and they are even thinking about a third team. This team has not been historically strong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Over 75 kids at FCA 27 tryouts? Something happen?

FCA 2027 adding a 2nd team.

They have around 100 players trying out for 2027.

Enough to make a 3rd team? With some teams seemingly blowing up in the market, maybe.

That seems unlikely. Having that many qualified coaches is a stretch for any club.

The coach FCA announced for the 2027 white team is the former head coach of TL Baltimore Black. Safe bet that the white team will be just as bad as the TL Baltimore Black team.

The FCA White Coach is the former True Baltimore Black Coach along with the Daddy Ball sidekick. Not sure what qualifications he has to coach. I’m pretty sure he’s just there to make sure his son gets a spot on the team because otherwise he wouldn’t be playing anywhere. If possible I would expect this FCA White team to perform worse than True Baltimore Black.

His qualifications include carrying the ball bag and his sons equipment bag, informing the team what time to be at the field and then showing up 20 minutes later, jabber-jawing with other coaches and parents and then at game time tries to run the box, but ends up sending a pole who was serving a penalty back on the field when the penalty expired only to immediately go back on man down because there were too many poles on the field.

You obviously have some personal issues with the team and hopefully you shared them with the people involved and aren't just venting on an anonymous board. That being said, I'm surprised so many kids came out to tryouts and they are even thinking about a third team. This team has not been historically strong.

There is no 3rd team, never was. True as an option in Maryland is folding rapidly so the True Baltimore coach asked if they could just move to FCA which FCA apparently obliged. FCA Blue tryout would have drawn 50-60 kids so add in all the kids associated with True Baltimore and that easily covers the 90-100 who reportedly showed up. The White team will be better than True Baltimore Black as they'll get a fair number of the kids cut from 91/Crabs/FCA Blue.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Over 75 kids at FCA 27 tryouts? Something happen?

FCA 2027 adding a 2nd team.

They have around 100 players trying out for 2027.

Enough to make a 3rd team? With some teams seemingly blowing up in the market, maybe.

That seems unlikely. Having that many qualified coaches is a stretch for any club.

The coach FCA announced for the 2027 white team is the former head coach of TL Baltimore Black. Safe bet that the white team will be just as bad as the TL Baltimore Black team.

The FCA White Coach is the former True Baltimore Black Coach along with the Daddy Ball sidekick. Not sure what qualifications he has to coach. I’m pretty sure he’s just there to make sure his son gets a spot on the team because otherwise he wouldn’t be playing anywhere. If possible I would expect this FCA White team to perform worse than True Baltimore Black.

His qualifications include carrying the ball bag and his sons equipment bag, informing the team what time to be at the field and then showing up 20 minutes later, jabber-jawing with other coaches and parents and then at game time tries to run the box, but ends up sending a pole who was serving a penalty back on the field when the penalty expired only to immediately go back on man down because there were too many poles on the field.

You obviously have some personal issues with the team and hopefully you shared them with the people involved and aren't just venting on an anonymous board. That being said, I'm surprised so many kids came out to tryouts and they are even thinking about a third team. This team has not been historically strong.

There is no 3rd team, never was. True as an option in Maryland is folding rapidly so the True Baltimore coach asked if they could just move to FCA which FCA apparently obliged. FCA Blue tryout would have drawn 50-60 kids so add in all the kids associated with True Baltimore and that easily covers the 90-100 who reportedly showed up. The White team will be better than True Baltimore Black as they'll get a fair number of the kids cut from 91/Crabs/FCA Blue.

True Baltimore 2027's were leaving in droves because of the coaching. That team was/is going to look dramatically different. Seriously doubt that bottom feeders from 91/Crabs/FCA Blue are going to be impactful without better coaching than they have now from the old True squad.

Hawks 2027 cut some long time kids... know who they didn't cut? The daddy's kids. Absolutely shame that these b-league kids keep their jobs because their dads are fake assistants. Hawks aren't what they used to be. This team was one of the best in the country for 3rd- 6th grade... but the dads and the kid HC just ruined it. They aren't even a Top20 team anymore. Key pieces left or went to the 2028 team(one of the best if not the best in the USA.). Sad to see such a great team and organization fall off so fast. The pieces they picked up are def TBD.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 2027 cut some long time kids... know who they didn't cut? The daddy's kids. Absolutely shame that these b-league kids keep their jobs because their dads are fake assistants. Hawks aren't what they used to be. This team was one of the best in the country for 3rd- 6th grade... but the dads and the kid HC just ruined it. They aren't even a Top20 team anymore. Key pieces left or went to the 2028 team(one of the best if not the best in the USA.). Sad to see such a great team and organization fall off so fast. The pieces they picked up are def TBD.

before you annoint the 2028 Hawks the GOAT of lacrosse teams, don't forget they were knocked out of Naptown by a rag tag team called the Hit Squad, which was thrown together for just that event.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 2027 cut some long time kids... know who they didn't cut? The daddy's kids. Absolutely shame that these b-league kids keep their jobs because their dads are fake assistants. Hawks aren't what they used to be. This team was one of the best in the country for 3rd- 6th grade... but the dads and the kid HC just ruined it. They aren't even a Top20 team anymore. Key pieces left or went to the 2028 team(one of the best if not the best in the USA.). Sad to see such a great team and organization fall off so fast. The pieces they picked up are def TBD.

if you want to slam parent coaches, don't forget Madlax 2027. The player is (to put it nicely) a step behind the rest of the starters, and the nepotism caused a lot of good players to leave the team, not to mention other issues brought about by a certain player.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 2027 cut some long time kids... know who they didn't cut? The daddy's kids. Absolutely shame that these b-league kids keep their jobs because their dads are fake assistants. Hawks aren't what they used to be. This team was one of the best in the country for 3rd- 6th grade... but the dads and the kid HC just ruined it. They aren't even a Top20 team anymore. Key pieces left or went to the 2028 team(one of the best if not the best in the USA.). Sad to see such a great team and organization fall off so fast. The pieces they picked up are def TBD.

Daddy coaches are a problem on many teams. Hawks are definitely not what they used to be but they are still better than the other clubs around them. Looking at the rankings, NL is above them and they've never lost to that team. They also beat Crabs the last time they played. Yes they cut kids but what did you expect? They're getting ready to go into high school. All teams make cuts around this time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 2027 cut some long time kids... know who they didn't cut? The daddy's kids. Absolutely shame that these b-league kids keep their jobs because their dads are fake assistants. Hawks aren't what they used to be. This team was one of the best in the country for 3rd- 6th grade... but the dads and the kid HC just ruined it. They aren't even a Top20 team anymore. Key pieces left or went to the 2028 team(one of the best if not the best in the USA.). Sad to see such a great team and organization fall off so fast. The pieces they picked up are def TBD.

before you annoint the 2028 Hawks the GOAT of lacrosse teams, don't forget they were knocked out of Naptown by a rag tag team called the Hit Squad, which was thrown together for just that event.

You sound bitter. I'm sorry your kid isn't on the team. They won the last tournament they were in and they looked great doing it.