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Posted By: CageSage Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/08/13 05:33 PM
BOTC is opening our Fall 2013 through Summer 2014 thread covering the Boys 2017 (9th Grade) age group.

In order to introduce this year's thread, we are categorizing this age group's tryouts by date.

8/25, Outlaws, 1:00pm

9/7, fl$, 5:00pm
9/7, Revolution, 6:00pm

9/8, Team 91, 12:00pm
9/8, fl$, 5:00pm

9/14, True Blue, 1:00pm

9/15, Outlaws, 10:45am
9/15, Team 91, 3:00pm
9/15, True Blue, 4:00pm

9/28, Jesters, 8:30pm

9/29, Thunder, 10:00am
9/29, Jesters, 8:30pm

10/5, Revolution, 3:00pm

10/6, Recon, 6:30pm
Posted By: Channy Says Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/12/13 09:39 PM
So how many if the Terps Black players are looking at changing teams?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/12/13 10:54 PM
Heard that team 91 is raiding the Terps Black. Large size of Terps Black team is what is causing the move.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/12/13 11:32 PM
None of the parents were happy with the way the Express team was run this year. Too many kids on the team and constant change. Give credit to the boys on the team for making the best of it. I will not be surprised if many families went elsewhere. It is not worth the aggravation.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/13/13 01:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
None of the parents were happy with the way the Express team was run this year. Too many kids on the team and constant change. Give credit to the boys on the team for making the best of it. I will not be surprised if many families went elsewhere. It is not worth the aggravation.



I would agree with this statement which is exactly why we are staying. There is pressure now for the organization to NOT let this happen again and we have been assured it will be a very strong team, again. After all, with all the disrupt no one can argue that it wasnt a strong team this year. Players coming and going will always occur. The first lines were very cohesive and played well together. The grass is not always greener....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/13/13 01:51 PM
Best time for the true talent to stay and play together.Teach your son it isnt always better on the other side and you dont always win!!just keep working hard and developing.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/13/13 02:04 PM
Will any of the 2017s be returning to the home roots to play and represent?Turtles Terps Gladiattors 91 ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/13/13 02:25 PM
Who cares
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/13/13 02:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
None of the parents were happy with the way the Express team was run this year. Too many kids on the team and constant change. Give credit to the boys on the team for making the best of it. I will not be surprised if many families went elsewhere. It is not worth the aggravation.



I would agree with this statement which is exactly why we are staying. There is pressure now for the organization to NOT let this happen again and we have been assured it will be a very strong team, again. After all, with all the disrupt no one can argue that it wasnt a strong team this year. Players coming and going will always occur. The first lines were very cohesive and played well together. The grass is not always greener....


And yet again, you fall for the same line...Amazing!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/13/13 03:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Heard that team 91 is raiding the Terps Black. Large size of Terps Black team is what is causing the move.


Raiding? or are Black running?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/13/13 03:59 PM
The size of the Express Team was far too large. Will Channy enforce a strict size limit and create multiple teams? Or are we stuck with another miserable experience? I understand that the grass is not always greener on the other side of the street. However ,fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/13/13 04:04 PM
Channy doesn't show enough respect for his customers. That is why they are leaving.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/13/13 04:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Heard that team 91 is raiding the Terps Black. Large size of Terps Black team is what is causing the move.


Raiding? or are Black running?


Black are running. Plenty of options. Team 91 is pushing hard to convince the Express kids to join and the Parents are quite interested. This past year was not a healthy situation and it was entirely his doing
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/13/13 04:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
None of the parents were happy with the way the Express team was run this year. Too many kids on the team and constant change. Give credit to the boys on the team for making the best of it. I will not be surprised if many families went elsewhere. It is not worth the aggravation.



I would agree with this statement which is exactly why we are staying. There is pressure now for the organization to NOT let this happen again and we have been assured it will be a very strong team, again. After all, with all the disrupt no one can argue that it wasnt a strong team this year. Players coming and going will always occur. The first lines were very cohesive and played well together. The grass is not always greener....


And yet again, you fall for the same line...Amazing!!!


Falling for same line? Maybe because last year we were assured of a very competitive team and that's exactly what it was. It was quite clear that the core of that team were exceptional players. The disruption occurred when players were added that had no business being on that team. At first they were added to improve their skills with no promise of time. But of course in the end they played and the team fell off quite a bit when those lines went in. But that's ok with me for last year. This is a different and very important year. I will be shocked if the organization will let this happen again.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/13/13 05:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Heard that team 91 is raiding the Terps Black. Large size of Terps Black team is what is causing the move.


Raiding? or are Black running?


Black are running. Plenty of options. Team 91 is pushing hard to convince the Express kids to join and the Parents are quite interested. This past year was not a healthy situation and it was entirely his doing



Team 91 has a very different culture. When my son played them the kids were down right nasty and guttural on the field and the parents were no better. Not a reputation I or my son would like to be associated with. imho
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/13/13 05:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
None of the parents were happy with the way the Express team was run this year. Too many kids on the team and constant change. Give credit to the boys on the team for making the best of it. I will not be surprised if many families went elsewhere. It is not worth the aggravation.



I would agree with this statement which is exactly why we are staying. There is pressure now for the organization to NOT let this happen again and we have been assured it will be a very strong team, again. After all, with all the disrupt no one can argue that it wasnt a strong team this year. Players coming and going will always occur. The first lines were very cohesive and played well together. The grass is not always greener....


And yet again, you fall for the same line...Amazing!!!


Falling for same line? Maybe because last year we were assured of a very competitive team and that's exactly what it was. It was quite clear that the core of that team were exceptional players. The disruption occurred when players were added that had no business being on that team. At first they were added to improve their skills with no promise of time. But of course in the end they played and the team fell off quite a bit when those lines went in. But that's ok with me for last year. This is a different and very important year. I will be shocked if the organization will let this happen again.


What I especially didn't like was that they brought in all sort s of kids and created two teams specifically so the weaker kids could play more, yet when it came time for the stronger kids to play their games, we were told they were trying to give playing time to the kids who didn't get a chance to Play much. That made no sense since they had an entire separate set of games for them to play. Supposedly MC said it was a mistake, but I don't think he really believes it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/13/13 05:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Heard that team 91 is raiding the Terps Black. Large size of Terps Black team is what is causing the move.


Raiding? or are Black running?


Black are running. Plenty of options. Team 91 is pushing hard to convince the Express kids to join and the Parents are quite interested. This past year was not a healthy situation and it was entirely his doing



Team 91 has a very different culture. When my son played them the kids were down right nasty and guttural on the field and the parents were no better. Not a reputation I or my son would like to be associated with. imho


One player already left the team for 91. Others are looking hard. I think if you listened to all kids at this age you would be shocked at what you hear on the field. Also unless you forgot, the Terps were penalized for a parents bad behavior in the Shamrock Shootout, so there is no monopoly on this type of thing.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/13/13 05:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
None of the parents were happy with the way the Express team was run this year. Too many kids on the team and constant change. Give credit to the boys on the team for making the best of it. I will not be surprised if many families went elsewhere. It is not worth the aggravation.



I would agree with this statement which is exactly why we are staying. There is pressure now for the organization to NOT let this happen again and we have been assured it will be a very strong team, again. After all, with all the disrupt no one can argue that it wasnt a strong team this year. Players coming and going will always occur. The first lines were very cohesive and played well together. The grass is not always greener....


And yet again, you fall for the same line...Amazing!!!


Falling for same line? Maybe because last year we were assured of a very competitive team and that's exactly what it was. It was quite clear that the core of that team were exceptional players. The disruption occurred when players were added that had no business being on that team. At first they were added to improve their skills with no promise of time. But of course in the end they played and the team fell off quite a bit when those lines went in. But that's ok with me for last year. This is a different and very important year. I will be shocked if the organization will let this happen again.


What I especially didn't like was that they brought in all sort s of kids and created two teams specifically so the weaker kids could play more, yet when it came time for the stronger kids to play their games, we were told they were trying to give playing time to the kids who didn't get a chance to Play much. That made no sense since they had an entire separate set of games for them to play. Supposedly MC said it was a mistake, but I don't think he really believes it.


Channny was browbeat by the parents to take their weak kids. It was a business decision on his part. He could have hired a very strong coach for the B team and everyone would have been happy. This way no one was happy and the kids lost out on a year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/13/13 06:18 PM
Gladiators breaking up....a bunch going to Outlaws tryouts.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/13/13 07:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Gladiators breaking up....a bunch going to Outlaws tryouts.

Maybe they should check Team 91 it's the team if he future ...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/13/13 07:38 PM
I think an important consideration this year when choosing a club is that they have lots of strong players with D1 potential. That is what attracts coaches Kattention at this stage. Terps Black have 6 kids who are legitimate D1 prospects. Would be interested in hearing from other clubs how many D1 prospects they have. By legitimate D1 prospect I mean a player who is recruited primarily for their ability, as opposed to someone who has good grades for academic index purposes.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/13/13 07:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
None of the parents were happy with the way the Express team was run this year. Too many kids on the team and constant change. Give credit to the boys on the team for making the best of it. I will not be surprised if many families went elsewhere. It is not worth the aggravation.



I would agree with this statement which is exactly why we are staying. There is pressure now for the organization to NOT let this happen again and we have been assured it will be a very strong team, again. After all, with all the disrupt no one can argue that it wasnt a strong team this year. Players coming and going will always occur. The first lines were very cohesive and played well together. The grass is not always greener....


And yet again, you fall for the same line...Amazing!!!


Falling for same line? Maybe because last year we were assured of a very competitive team and that's exactly what it was. It was quite clear that the core of that team were exceptional players. The disruption occurred when players were added that had no business being on that team. At first they were added to improve their skills with no promise of time. But of course in the end they played and the team fell off quite a bit when those lines went in. But that's ok with me for last year. This is a different and very important year. I will be shocked if the organization will let this happen again.


What I especially didn't like was that they brought in all sort s of kids and created two teams specifically so the weaker kids could play more, yet when it came time for the stronger kids to play their games, we were told they were trying to give playing time to the kids who didn't get a chance to Play much. That made no sense since they had an entire separate set of games for them to play. Supposedly MC said it was a mistake, but I don't think he really believes it.


Channny was browbeat by the parents to take their weak kids. It was a business decision on his part. He could have hired a very strong coach for the B team and everyone would have been happy. This way no one was happy and the kids lost out on a year.


I doubt he will let this happen again.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/13/13 07:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Gladiators breaking up....a bunch going to Outlaws tryouts.
The Gladiators web site reflects that they will not be holding tryouts for this 2017 group. No additional details are available.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/13/13 08:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Heard that team 91 is raiding the Terps Black. Large size of Terps Black team is what is causing the move.


Raiding? or are Black running?


Black are running. Plenty of options. Team 91 is pushing hard to convince the Express kids to join and the Parents are quite interested. This past year was not a healthy situation and it was entirely his doing



Team 91 has a very different culture. When my son played them the kids were down right nasty and guttural on the field and the parents were no better. Not a reputation I or my son would like to be associated with. imho


One player already left the team for 91. Others are looking hard. I think if you listened to all kids at this age you would be shocked at what you hear on the field. Also unless you forgot, the Terps were penalized for a parents bad behavior in the Shamrock Shootout, so there is no monopoly on this type of thing.


And it's not even the over zealous parent or parents hollering because of bad reffing that I'm referring to. It's cursing at the highest level by both parents AND players. If that's for you then get out your muscle tees and belly up to the sideline. You're in for a culture shock!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/13/13 08:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think an important consideration this year when choosing a club is that they have lots of strong players with D1 potential. That is what attracts coaches Kattention at this stage. Terps Black have 6 kids who are legitimate D1 prospects. Would be interested in hearing from other clubs how many D1 prospects they have. By legitimate D1 prospect I mean a player who is recruited primarily for their ability, as opposed to someone who has good grades for academic index purposes.



excellent point
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/13/13 08:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think an important consideration this year when choosing a club is that they have lots of strong players with D1 potential. That is what attracts coaches Kattention at this stage. Terps Black have 6 kids who are legitimate D1 prospects. Would be interested in hearing from other clubs how many D1 prospects they have. By legitimate D1 prospect I mean a player who is recruited primarily for their ability, as opposed to someone who has good grades for academic index purposes.



excellent point


An anonymous poster claiming the ability to assess 8th grade performance as "legitimate" D1 prospect is an excellent point? really

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/13/13 08:29 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Heard that team 91 is raiding the Terps Black. Large size of Terps Black team is what is causing the move.


Raiding? or are Black running?


Black are running. Plenty of options. Team 91 is pushing hard to convince the Express kids to join and the Parents are quite interested. This past year was not a healthy situation and it was entirely his doing



Team 91 has a very different culture. When my son played them the kids were down right nasty and guttural on the field and the parents were no better. Not a reputation I or my son would like to be associated with. imho


A different culture? As in a culture where it's cowardly and just wrong to anonymously write absolute lies about 14 year olds? My son is on this team & there in not ONE nasty kid or parent among them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/13/13 08:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
None of the parents were happy with the way the Express team was run this year. Too many kids on the team and constant change. Give credit to the boys on the team for making the best of it. I will not be surprised if many families went elsewhere. It is not worth the aggravation.



I would agree with this statement which is exactly why we are staying. There is pressure now for the organization to NOT let this happen again and we have been assured it will be a very strong team, again. After all, with all the disrupt no one can argue that it wasnt a strong team this year. Players coming and going will always occur. The first lines were very cohesive and played well together. The grass is not always greener....


And yet again, you fall for the same line...Amazing!!!


Falling for same line? Maybe because last year we were assured of a very competitive team and that's exactly what it was. It was quite clear that the core of that team were exceptional players. The disruption occurred when players were added that had no business being on that team. At first they were added to improve their skills with no promise of time. But of course in the end they played and the team fell off quite a bit when those lines went in. But that's ok with me for last year. This is a different and very important year. I will be shocked if the organization will let this happen again.


Well, get ready for the shock of your life!!! This organization lets the same thing happen year after year. Good luck to your son
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/13/13 08:42 PM
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Gladiators breaking up....a bunch going to Outlaws tryouts.
The Gladiators web site reflects that they will not be holding tryouts for this 2017 group. No additional details are available.


Sounds like they are keeping the same team together but I'm just guessing. It doesn't say there won't be a team next summer.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/13/13 10:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think an important consideration this year when choosing a club is that they have lots of strong players with D1 potential. That is what attracts coaches Kattention at this stage. Terps Black have 6 kids who are legitimate D1 prospects. Would be interested in hearing from other clubs how many D1 prospects they have. By legitimate D1 prospect I mean a player who is recruited primarily for their ability, as opposed to someone who has good grades for academic index purposes.


Oh brother....Really..
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/13/13 11:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think an important consideration this year when choosing a club is that they have lots of strong players with D1 potential. That is what attracts coaches Kattention at this stage. Terps Black have 6 kids who are legitimate D1 prospects. Would be interested in hearing from other clubs how many D1 prospects they have. By legitimate D1 prospect I mean a player who is recruited primarily for their ability, as opposed to someone who has good grades for academic index purposes.



Oh brother....Really..


Actually a pretty good question,since the recruiting schedule has moved up. I would say at True Blue we have 4 solid prospects. Maybe two more that are close.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/14/13 12:49 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think an important consideration this year when choosing a club is that they have lots of strong players with D1 potential. That is what attracts coaches Kattention at this stage. Terps Black have 6 kids who are legitimate D1 prospects. Would be interested in hearing from other clubs how many D1 prospects they have. By legitimate D1 prospect I mean a player who is recruited primarily for their ability, as opposed to someone who has good grades for academic index purposes.



Oh brother....Really..


Actually a pretty good question,since the recruiting schedule has moved up. I would say at True Blue we have 4 solid prospects. Maybe two more that are close.


91 had 6 D1 in the 2016 group and is on track for the same this year. Maybe more if we can lure a couple of the Express kids over:)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/14/13 02:20 AM
True Blue definitely has penty of D-1 potentials, problem is Most D1 coaches won't put up with selfish, and undiscipled behavior....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/14/13 04:27 AM
Word is out that Channy is building a super team for the 2017 class. He is taking the core of the Terps Black and has recruited some tremendous defenders. It is going to be the premier club for sure this year. Very athletic team that can play at a high speed. Don't listen to 91 talk. None of the core Express are even thinking of leaving. They really like Channy and all believe they are better players over the course of the last year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/14/13 01:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Word is out that Channy is building a super team for the 2017 class. He is taking the core of the Terps Black and has recruited some tremendous defenders. It is going to be the premier club for sure this year. Very athletic team that can play at a high speed. Don't listen to 91 talk. None of the core Express are even thinking of leaving. They really like Channy and all believe they are better players over the course of the last year.


Didn't we go through this last year? Don't worry Terp daddy I'm sure your team will be the center of the lacrosse universe like it is every year. Premier club? Lmao..................you guys are unreal........news flash, no one cares about 9th grade club lacrosse? Here's a tip, stop worrying so much about your precious super team and concentrate on your son doing what's best for him
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/14/13 02:01 PM
Aren't any Turtle dads going to chime in and claim rights to the Super Team ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/14/13 02:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Word is out that Channy is building a super team for the 2017 class. He is taking the core of the Terps Black and has recruited some tremendous defenders. It is going to be the premier club for sure this year. Very athletic team that can play at a high speed. Don't listen to 91 talk. None of the core Express are even thinking of leaving. They really like Channy and all believe they are better players over the course of the last year.


So the problem with your team was the defense? Hmmmm. Im sure their current "defenders" feel GREAT if they read your bonehead post. Worry about your own kid dummy. You speak like you know every player/parent lacrosse desires its really annoying and problem inaccurate.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/14/13 02:32 PM
You have to love this 2017 forum. A new thread is started for the up coming year and we haven't missed a beat.

What is it about this age group? At least last year we didn't start up with these posts until after tryouts...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/14/13 04:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You have to love this 2017 forum. A new thread is started for the up coming year and we haven't missed a beat.

What is it about this age group? At least last year we didn't start up with these posts until after tryouts...

This is the pre tryout smack talk . I enjoy the various points if view. Really looking forward to the season ahead. I also heard that Channy is building a super team with best of Ferps and Turtles
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/14/13 04:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Word is out that Channy is building a super team for the 2017 class. He is taking the core of the Terps Black and has recruited some tremendous defenders. It is going to be the premier club for sure this year. Very athletic team that can play at a high speed. Don't listen to 91 talk. None of the core Express are even thinking of leaving. They really like Channy and all believe they are better players over the course of the last year.


Spoken like a true Daddy of an attackman or middie, where there obviously wasn't any need to upgrade. What's the purpose of the tryouts anyway if "Channy" is already recruiting and building the team himself?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/14/13 05:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You have to love this 2017 forum. A new thread is started for the up coming year and we haven't missed a beat.

What is it about this age group? At least last year we didn't start up with these posts until after tryouts...


Agree.

My kid is part of this class of 2017. Youth lacrosse is over. Our kids are off to high school in a few weeks, I am sure we expect them to function as individuals on their own to feet and also act as young adults. Maybe we should do the same.

This is over, just let it go.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/14/13 06:40 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 had 6 D1 in the 2016 group and is on track for the same this year.


And how many are sons of the coaching staff or family ties to the coaching staff???
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/14/13 06:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Word is out that Channy is building a super team for the 2017 class. He is taking the core of the Terps Black and has recruited some tremendous defenders. It is going to be the premier club for sure this year. Very athletic team that can play at a high speed. Don't listen to 91 talk. None of the core Express are even thinking of leaving. They really like Channy and all believe they are better players over the course of the last year.


So the problem with your team was the defense? Hmmmm. Im sure their current "defenders" feel GREAT if they read your bonehead post. Worry about your own kid dummy. You speak like you know every player/parent lacrosse desires its really annoying and problem inaccurate.

Nothing against the defenders in place, was just noting that he is replacing the defenders that have left or are leaving with talented new kids
Posted By: Channy Says Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/14/13 06:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You have to love this 2017 forum. A new thread is started for the up coming year and we haven't missed a beat.

What is it about this age group? At least last year we didn't start up with these posts until after tryouts...


this is a new year and a new nasty crowd:)
Posted By: Channy Says Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/14/13 06:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
True Blue definitely has penty of D-1 potentials, problem is Most D1 coaches won't put up with selfish, and undiscipled behavior....

But if the kids put the ball in the goal they will..:)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/14/13 08:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Word is out that Channy is building a super team for the 2017 class. He is taking the core of the Terps Black and has recruited some tremendous defenders. It is going to be the premier club for sure this year. Very athletic team that can play at a high speed. Don't listen to 91 talk. None of the core Express are even thinking of leaving. They really like Channy and all believe they are better players over the course of the last year.


Spoken like a true Daddy of an attackman or middie, where there obviously wasn't any need to upgrade. What's the purpose of the tryouts anyway if "Channy" is already recruiting and building the team himself?

I heard Channy was recruiting defense to replace one of kids who left plus a couple more who were supposedly leaving for 91.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/14/13 08:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You have to love this 2017 forum. A new thread is started for the up coming year and we haven't missed a beat.

What is it about this age group? At least last year we didn't start up with these posts until after tryouts...


Agree.

My kid is part of this class of 2017. Youth lacrosse is over. Our kids are off to high school in a few weeks, I am sure we expect them to function as individuals on their own to feet and also act as young adults. Maybe we should do the same.

This is over, just let it go.

The whole reason we have anonymous forums is to rant lol
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/14/13 09:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Aren't any Turtle dads going to chime in and claim rights to the Super Team ?



Rumor that terps are poaching some turtles
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/15/13 12:37 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Word is out that Channy is building a super team for the 2017 class. He is taking the core of the Terps Black and has recruited some tremendous defenders. It is going to be the premier club for sure this year. Very athletic team that can play at a high speed. Don't listen to 91 talk. None of the core Express are even thinking of leaving. They really like Channy and all believe they are better players over the course of the last year.


Spoken like a true Daddy of an attackman or middie, where there obviously wasn't any need to upgrade. What's the purpose of the tryouts anyway if "Channy" is already recruiting and building the team himself?

I heard Channy was recruiting defense to replace one of kids who left plus a couple more who were supposedly leaving for 91.


If this is true that some players are being "recruited" then it proves the argument that the whole open tryout process is a pre-determined money grab chirade or put another way a "Chammy".
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/15/13 04:45 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Word is out that Channy is building a super team for the 2017 class. He is taking the core of the Terps Black and has recruited some tremendous defenders. It is going to be the premier club for sure this year. Very athletic team that can play at a high speed. Don't listen to 91 talk. None of the core Express are even thinking of leaving. They really like Channy and all believe they are better players over the course of the last year.



Spoken like a true Daddy of an attackman or middie, where there obviously wasn't any need to upgrade. What's the purpose of the tryouts anyway if "Channy" is already recruiting and building the team himself?

I heard Channy was recruiting defense to replace one of kids who left plus a couple more who were supposedly leaving for 91.


If this is true that some players are being "recruited" then it proves the argument that the whole open tryout process is a pre-determined money grab chirade or put another way a "Chammy".

I don't think it is a charade in total, They are looking to improve the team. The basic problem with this organization is that money drives everything. 100 tryout fee is ridiculous.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/16/13 01:24 AM
How is the Jesters A Team 2017? Also is there going to be an A and B team this year or just one team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/16/13 04:37 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Word is out that Channy is building a super team for the 2017 class. He is taking the core of the Terps Black and has recruited some tremendous defenders. It is going to be the premier club for sure this year. Very athletic team that can play at a high speed. Don't listen to 91 talk. None of the core Express are even thinking of leaving. They really like Channy and all believe they are better players over the course of the last year.



Spoken like a true Daddy of an attackman or middie, where there obviously wasn't any need to upgrade. What's the purpose of the tryouts anyway if "Channy" is already recruiting and building the team himself?

I heard Channy was recruiting defense to replace one of kids who left plus a couple more who were supposedly leaving for 91.


If this is true that some players are being "recruited" then it proves the argument that the whole open tryout process is a pre-determined money grab chirade or put another way a "Chammy".

I don't think it is a charade in total, They are looking to improve the team. The basic problem with this organization is that money drives everything. 100 tryout fee is ridiculous.

Would like to see them hire some coaches that teach
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/16/13 12:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How is the Jesters A Team 2017? Also is there going to be an A and B team this year or just one team?


There will be as many teams as they have enough kids to fill. More teams means more money for the director. This summer the 2017 A team was good but not a top 10 team on LI in the age group and was closer to a strong B team than a legitimate A team. They had a lot of kids turn down the invitation for the team after a very good turnout at last year's tryouts.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/16/13 12:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How is the Jesters A Team 2017? Also is there going to be an A and B team this year or just one team?


There will be as many teams as they have enough kids to fill. More teams means more money for the director. This summer the 2017 A team was good but not a top 10 team on LI in the age group and was closer to a strong B team than a legitimate A team. They had a lot of kids turn down the invitation for the team after a very good turnout at last year's tryouts.


Jesters A were easily top 10 (not cracking top 5), and most of the kids they wanted accepted their roster spots, a couple went elsewhere. Your idea of reporting a fact is off.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/16/13 01:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How is the Jesters A Team 2017? Also is there going to be an A and B team this year or just one team?


There will be as many teams as they have enough kids to fill. More teams means more money for the director. This summer the 2017 A team was good but not a top 10 team on LI in the age group and was closer to a strong B team than a legitimate A team. They had a lot of kids turn down the invitation for the team after a very good turnout at last year's tryouts.


Wow, totally inaccurate post! First off, the 2017 Jesters Black team was a very competitive A team this past summer. We're they in the top tier? No, but they were definitely right there with fl$, Outlaws, etc. Your assertion that several kids turned down the team after tryouts is completely false. Please have some sort of clue before you start spewing nonsense!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/16/13 01:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How is the Jesters A Team 2017? Also is there going to be an A and B team this year or just one team?


There will be as many teams as they have enough kids to fill. More teams means more money for the director. This summer the 2017 A team was good but not a top 10 team on LI in the age group and was closer to a strong B team than a legitimate A team. They had a lot of kids turn down the invitation for the team after a very good turnout at last year's tryouts.


Wow, totally inaccurate post! First off, the 2017 Jesters Black team was a very competitive A team this past summer. We're they in the top tier? No, but they were definitely right there with fl$, Outlaws, etc. Your assertion that several kids turned down the team after tryouts is completely false. Please have some sort of clue before you start spewing nonsense!


I personally know 4 kids that turned down spots on the 2017 Jesters A team including my own son! 4 that I know of and I will assume that there were a few more!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/16/13 01:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You have to love this 2017 forum. A new thread is started for the up coming year and we haven't missed a beat.

What is it about this age group? At least last year we didn't start up with these posts until after tryouts...

This is the pre tryout smack talk . I enjoy the various points if view. Really looking forward to the season ahead. I also heard that Channy is building a super team with best of Ferps and Turtles


And I'm sure the current coach of the turtles will have no issue with this! Nice try stirring the pot though........
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/16/13 01:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How is the Jesters A Team 2017? Also is there going to be an A and B team this year or just one team?


There will be as many teams as they have enough kids to fill. More teams means more money for the director. This summer the 2017 A team was good but not a top 10 team on LI in the age group and was closer to a strong B team than a legitimate A team. They had a lot of kids turn down the invitation for the team after a very good turnout at last year's tryouts.


Wow, totally inaccurate post! First off, the 2017 Jesters Black team was a very competitive A team this past summer. We're they in the top tier? No, but they were definitely right there with fl$, Outlaws, etc. Your assertion that several kids turned down the team after tryouts is completely false. Please have some sort of clue before you start spewing nonsense!


I personally know 4 kids that turned down spots on the 2017 Jesters A team including my own son! 4 that I know of and I will assume that there were a few more!


I know a kid that turned down Duke, and another one that turned down UVA.........
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/16/13 02:35 PM
oh....if your son "turned down" the team they couldnt possibly be an "A" team! I am certain your 14 year old sets the bar for all of LI!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/16/13 02:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
oh....if your son "turned down" the team they couldnt possibly be an "A" team! I am certain your 14 year old sets the bar for all of LI!


The opinion of the team being a good A team was based ONLY from on field performance!

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/16/13 02:56 PM
Key word there is opinion!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/16/13 10:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How is the Jesters A Team 2017? Also is there going to be an A and B team this year or just one team?


There will be as many teams as they have enough kids to fill. More teams means more money for the director. This summer the 2017 A team was good but not a top 10 team on LI in the age group and was closer to a strong B team than a legitimate A team. They had a lot of kids turn down the invitation for the team after a very good turnout at last year's tryouts.


Wow, totally inaccurate post! First off, the 2017 Jesters Black team was a very competitive A team this past summer. We're they in the top tier? No, but they were definitely right there with fl$, Outlaws, etc. Your assertion that several kids turned down the team after tryouts is completely false. Please have some sort of clue before you start spewing nonsense!


I personally know 4 kids that turned down spots on the 2017 Jesters A team including my own son! 4 that I know of and I will assume that there were a few more!


To be one of the 47 kids on terps black, terps regular, or the other 3 teams at express in the 2017.... Why would you want to "play" on another team that might not be a super team?? Hello.... It's about playing the best competition as an individual, not winning some made up championship and getting limited playing time at best.... So silly
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/17/13 01:13 AM
Why do you think the kids plays on Terps.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/17/13 02:48 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How is the Jesters A Team 2017? Also is there going to be an A and B team this year or just one team?


There will be as many teams as they have enough kids to fill. More teams means more money for the director. This summer the 2017 A team was good but not a top 10 team on LI in the age group and was closer to a strong B team than a legitimate A team. They had a lot of kids turn down the invitation for the team after a very good turnout at last year's tryouts.



you're delusional
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/20/13 03:30 AM
Are Tenacious Turtles still going to be a team this year? Also how much does Express cost to be on? What are the top teams of 2017 in Long Island to tryout for?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/26/13 04:52 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are Tenacious Turtles still going to be a team this year? Also how much does Express cost to be on? What are the top teams of 2017 in Long Island to tryout for?


Outlaws had 80 kids at tryouts today. Solid group. Still have another tryout in a few weeks.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/28/13 09:15 PM
Anybody going to Nat 175
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/28/13 11:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anybody going to Nat 175


Yes
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/29/13 12:50 PM
Anybody get Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip Fall invite yet? His twitter said they would begin to be sent out yesterday. Also happen to be same weekend as the Philly Freshmen Showcase (Nov. 23rd) which a lot of kids are going to. I know some of those acceptances have already been received.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/29/13 08:23 PM
Actually did not know there was a fall Blue Chip, unless you mean the one over the winter in FL.

My son did get an invitation last year but we saved our pennies and didnt send him (3d). Will try again this year as the camps are becoming more relevant.

He was also accepted to National 175 and I will be sending him. This will be his first "Showcase" so its nice to go to something local and give him the experience to build on.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/29/13 08:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Actually did not know there was a fall Blue Chip, unless you mean the one over the winter in FL.

My son did get an invitation last year but we saved our pennies and didnt send him (3d). Will try again this year as the camps are becoming more relevant.

He was also accepted to National 175 and I will be sending him. This will be his first "Showcase" so its nice to go to something local and give him the experience to build on.


There is a Jake Reed Fall Showcase, see below. And according to his twitter site, invites have started to go out. I think Philly Showcase and Nat'l 175 are better Fall showcases than Jake Reed, but Maverick, Jake Reed and Black Card are the best individual showcases in the summer.


From website: Jake Reed Fall Nike Blue Chip

Dates: November 23-24, 2013

Location: Mecklenburg County Sportsplex, 1505 Tank Town Road, Matthews, NC 28105

Eligible Players: Current Freshman (2017 grads) current Sophomores (2016 grads) current Juniors (2015 grads) and current Seniors (2014 grads)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/30/13 02:24 AM
Opinions - is it wiser to have your son be the 5th or 6th attackman on a very well known team or even the stud of the "b" team of said organization or move on to a lesser known organizations "a" team and be the focus. Considering a move and would like some feedback.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/30/13 11:29 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Opinions - is it wiser to have your son be the 5th or 6th attackman on a very well known team or even the stud of the "b" team of said organization or move on to a lesser known organizations "a" team and be the focus. Considering a move and would like some feedback.


5th or 6th attackman rarely ever get on the field.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/30/13 12:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Opinions - is it wiser to have your son be the 5th or 6th attackman on a very well known team or even the stud of the "b" team of said organization or move on to a lesser known organizations "a" team and be the focus. Considering a move and would like some feedback.


I would say go to the situation where they give a crap about your kid and hes gonna get quality coaching and a chance to compete. You might also want to consider where he wants to go, I know its a crazy idea but if the kid isnt happy whats the point.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/30/13 01:29 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Opinions - is it wiser to have your son be the 5th or 6th attackman on a very well known team or even the stud of the "b" team of said organization or move on to a lesser known organizations "a" team and be the focus. Considering a move and would like some feedback.


I would say go to the situation where they give a crap about your kid and hes gonna get quality coaching and a chance to compete. You might also want to consider where he wants to go, I know its a crazy idea but if the kid isnt happy whats the point.


If the team has a lot of practice time and the coaches are decent, I would have him play with the stronger team. (Playing with the stronger kids in practice will help your son).

That said, only do it if you son is happy there.

Just an opinion.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/30/13 02:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Opinions - is it wiser to have your son be the 5th or 6th attackman on a very well known team or even the stud of the "b" team of said organization or move on to a lesser known organizations "a" team and be the focus. Considering a move and would like some feedback.

Just my opinion.
Kids need to be on the field getting touches in game situations. I would place my son on a team that provided him that opportunity.
Practicing with better kids is all well and good, they need on field experience at this age.
Don't let your ego of A v B get in the way of your player being on the field.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 08/30/13 03:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Actually did not know there was a fall Blue Chip, unless you mean the one over the winter in FL.

My son did get an invitation last year but we saved our pennies and didnt send him (3d). Will try again this year as the camps are becoming more relevant.

He was also accepted to National 175 and I will be sending him. This will be his first "Showcase" so its nice to go to something local and give him the experience to build on.


There is a Jake Reed Fall Showcase, see below. And according to his twitter site, invites have started to go out. I think Philly Showcase and Nat'l 175 are better Fall showcases than Jake Reed, but Maverick, Jake Reed and Black Card are the best individual showcases in the summer.


From website: Jake Reed Fall Nike Blue Chip

Dates: November 23-24, 2013

Location: Mecklenburg County Sportsplex, 1505 Tank Town Road, Matthews, NC 28105

Eligible Players: Current Freshman (2017 grads) current Sophomores (2016 grads) current Juniors (2015 grads) and current Seniors (2014 grads)



Anybody in 2017 age group get the invite already per above for Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip Fall event on November 23-24, 2013?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/04/13 01:13 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Actually did not know there was a fall Blue Chip, unless you mean the one over the winter in FL.

My son did get an invitation last year but we saved our pennies and didnt send him (3d). Will try again this year as the camps are becoming more relevant.

He was also accepted to National 175 and I will be sending him. This will be his first "Showcase" so its nice to go to something local and give him the experience to build on.


There is a Jake Reed Fall Showcase, see below. And according to his twitter site, invites have started to go out. I think Philly Showcase and Nat'l 175 are better Fall showcases than Jake Reed, but Maverick, Jake Reed and Black Card are the best individual showcases in the summer.


From website: Jake Reed Fall Nike Blue Chip

Dates: November 23-24, 2013

Location: Mecklenburg County Sportsplex, 1505 Tank Town Road, Matthews, NC 28105

Eligible Players: Current Freshman (2017 grads) current Sophomores (2016 grads) current Juniors (2015 grads) and current Seniors (2014 grads)



Anybody in 2017 age group get the invite already per above for Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip Fall event on November 23-24, 2013?

Yes still thinking about going or not though
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/04/13 01:15 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Opinions - is it wiser to have your son be the 5th or 6th attackman on a very well known team or even the stud of the "b" team of said organization or move on to a lesser known organizations "a" team and be the focus. Considering a move and would like some feedback.

Just my opinion.
Kids need to be on the field getting touches in game situations. I would place my son on a team that provided him that opportunity.
Practicing with better kids is all well and good, they need on field experience at this age.
Don't let your ego of A v B get in the way of your player being on the field.

I think your better off being the 5th or 6th guy on a good team. You will get more looks from colleges that way. Being the stud of a team no one is watching doesn't further your objectives. Make the most of the playing time you do get.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/04/13 12:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Actually did not know there was a fall Blue Chip, unless you mean the one over the winter in FL.

My son did get an invitation last year but we saved our pennies and didnt send him (3d). Will try again this year as the camps are becoming more relevant.

He was also accepted to National 175 and I will be sending him. This will be his first "Showcase" so its nice to go to something local and give him the experience to build on.


There is a Jake Reed Fall Showcase, see below. And according to his twitter site, invites have started to go out. I think Philly Showcase and Nat'l 175 are better Fall showcases than Jake Reed, but Maverick, Jake Reed and Black Card are the best individual showcases in the summer.


From website: Jake Reed Fall Nike Blue Chip

Dates: November 23-24, 2013

Location: Mecklenburg County Sportsplex, 1505 Tank Town Road, Matthews, NC 28105

Eligible Players: Current Freshman (2017 grads) current Sophomores (2016 grads) current Juniors (2015 grads) and current Seniors (2014 grads)



Anybody in 2017 age group get the invite already per above for Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip Fall event on November 23-24, 2013?

Yes still thinking about going or not though
Philly Showcase for Freshman is the same weekend and I think much better and more well attended by colleges. No question Jake Reed is summer is important, Fall not so sure.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/04/13 01:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Actually did not know there was a fall Blue Chip, unless you mean the one over the winter in FL.

My son did get an invitation last year but we saved our pennies and didnt send him (3d). Will try again this year as the camps are becoming more relevant.

He was also accepted to National 175 and I will be sending him. This will be his first "Showcase" so its nice to go to something local and give him the experience to build on.


There is a Jake Reed Fall Showcase, see below. And according to his twitter site, invites have started to go out. I think Philly Showcase and Nat'l 175 are better Fall showcases than Jake Reed, but Maverick, Jake Reed and Black Card are the best individual showcases in the summer.


From website: Jake Reed Fall Nike Blue Chip

Dates: November 23-24, 2013

Location: Mecklenburg County Sportsplex, 1505 Tank Town Road, Matthews, NC 28105

Eligible Players: Current Freshman (2017 grads) current Sophomores (2016 grads) current Juniors (2015 grads) and current Seniors (2014 grads)



Anybody in 2017 age group get the invite already per above for Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip Fall event on November 23-24, 2013?

Yes still thinking about going or not though
Philly Showcase for Freshman is the same weekend and I think much better and more well attended by colleges. No question Jake Reed is summer is important, Fall not so sure.


Did Philly Invites go out?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/04/13 01:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Actually did not know there was a fall Blue Chip, unless you mean the one over the winter in FL.

My son did get an invitation last year but we saved our pennies and didnt send him (3d). Will try again this year as the camps are becoming more relevant.

He was also accepted to National 175 and I will be sending him. This will be his first "Showcase" so its nice to go to something local and give him the experience to build on.


There is a Jake Reed Fall Showcase, see below. And according to his twitter site, invites have started to go out. I think Philly Showcase and Nat'l 175 are better Fall showcases than Jake Reed, but Maverick, Jake Reed and Black Card are the best individual showcases in the summer.


From website: Jake Reed Fall Nike Blue Chip

Dates: November 23-24, 2013

Location: Mecklenburg County Sportsplex, 1505 Tank Town Road, Matthews, NC 28105

Eligible Players: Current Freshman (2017 grads) current Sophomores (2016 grads) current Juniors (2015 grads) and current Seniors (2014 grads)



Anybody in 2017 age group get the invite already per above for Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip Fall event on November 23-24, 2013?

Yes still thinking about going or not though
Philly Showcase for Freshman is the same weekend and I think much better and more well attended by colleges. No question Jake Reed is summer is important, Fall not so sure.


Did Philly Invites go out?


Yes
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/06/13 11:53 AM
Does anybody know if Maverick Showtime invites have started to go out for 2017s? If not, when? Are Jake Reed Fall invites already done going out (I know some are out)?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/07/13 02:31 PM
Re: 2017 Team 91 tryouts on Sunday 12-2 at Farmingdale.

word on the LAX vine says it looks like some current top local talent in many positions are considering a switch and forming a very strong team right out of the box...several Brine and Jake Reed players allegedly going. Would love to have a kid in that group which is expected to show up. Might be worth just going to check out the tryout and see what the talent draw is.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/07/13 09:43 PM
Word on the "Lax Vine" Jim M was recruiting BIG TIME at Brine (not sure about Jake Reed) for kids to defect from their teams to go 91, I guess he got his wish. Lets see if they get theirs. The grass isn't always greener.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/07/13 09:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Word on the "Lax Vine" Jim M was recruiting BIG TIME at Brine (not sure about Jake Reed) for kids to defect from their teams to go 91, I guess he got his wish. Lets see if they get theirs. The grass isn't always greener.


like putting lipstick on a pig
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/07/13 11:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Word on the "Lax Vine" Jim M was recruiting BIG TIME at Brine (not sure about Jake Reed) for kids to defect from their teams to go 91, I guess he got his wish. Lets see if they get theirs. The grass isn't always greener.


like putting lipstick on a pig


Sounds like someone didn't make one of the 91 teams....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/08/13 11:57 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Word on the "Lax Vine" Jim M was recruiting BIG TIME at Brine (not sure about Jake Reed) for kids to defect from their teams to go 91, I guess he got his wish. Lets see if they get theirs. The grass isn't always greener.


Imagine, a great lacrosse coach, that has been around "the game" for years, who knows talent & can coach in the pros, who
also rubs elbows with many DI coaches...Nah, I wouldn't want my kid anywhere near him
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/08/13 04:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Word on the "Lax Vine" Jim M was recruiting BIG TIME at Brine (not sure about Jake Reed) for kids to defect from their teams to go 91, I guess he got his wish. Lets see if they get theirs. The grass isn't always greener.


Imagine, a great lacrosse coach, that has been around "the game" for years, who knows talent & can coach in the pros, who
also rubs elbows with many DI coaches...Nah, I wouldn't want my kid anywhere near him


if he was such a good coach why is his team so mediocre
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/08/13 04:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
if he was such a good coach why is his team so mediocre
You should avoid asking a question when you likely know, but might not like the answer.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/08/13 05:35 PM
Outlaws/ gladiator merge at 2017 , is it true
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/08/13 09:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anybody know if Maverick Showtime invites have started to go out for 2017s? If not, when? Are Jake Reed Fall invites already done going out (I know some are out)?


Anyone on the above?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/08/13 10:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anybody know if Maverick Showtime invites have started to go out for 2017s? If not, when? Are Jake Reed Fall invites already done going out (I know some are out)?


Anyone on the above?



Literally just got mav
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/09/13 12:28 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anybody know if Maverick Showtime invites have started to go out for 2017s? If not, when? Are Jake Reed Fall invites already done going out (I know some are out)?


Anyone on the above?



Literally just got mav


Just got Maverick. Have to pony up $695 in advance. Is this event a premier event that can charge that kind of fee?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/09/13 01:13 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Word on the "Lax Vine" Jim M was recruiting BIG TIME at Brine (not sure about Jake Reed) for kids to defect from their teams to go 91, I guess he got his wish. Lets see if they get theirs. The grass isn't always greener.


Imagine, a great lacrosse coach, that has been around "the game" for years, who knows talent & can coach in the pros, who
also rubs elbows with many DI coaches...Nah, I wouldn't want my kid anywhere near him


if he was such a good coach why is his team so mediocre


Not after today's tryout. Only 7 jake Reed / Brine players there and two who didn't make it.
(3 were X-turtles). Oh my....far from mediocre.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/09/13 02:16 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anybody know if Maverick Showtime invites have started to go out for 2017s? If not, when? Are Jake Reed Fall invites already done going out (I know some are out)?


Anyone on the above?



Literally just got mav
Son just got it as well. 100% worth it. Best showcase event at this point in the Summer, has supplanted Jake Reed as top.

Just got Maverick. Have to pony up $695 in advance. Is this event a premier event that can charge that kind of fee?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/09/13 03:01 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anybody know if Maverick Showtime invites have started to go out for 2017s? If not, when? Are Jake Reed Fall invites already done going out (I know some are out)?


Anyone on the above?



Literally just got mav
Son just got it as well. 100% worth it. Best showcase event at this point in the Summer, has supplanted Jake Reed as top.


Just got Maverick. Have to pony up $695 in advance. Is this event a premier event that can charge that kind of fee?




top recruiting showcases are philly freshman, maverick,jake reed (in no special order) congrats to all invitees.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/09/13 03:21 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anybody know if Maverick Showtime invites have started to go out for 2017s? If not, when? Are Jake Reed Fall invites already done going out (I know some are out)?


Anyone on the above?



Literally just got mav
Son just got it as well. 100% worth it. Best showcase event at this point in the Summer, has supplanted Jake Reed as top.

Just got Maverick. Have to pony up $695 in advance. Is this event a premier event that can charge that kind of fee?


For 2017s?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/09/13 01:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anybody know if Maverick Showtime invites have started to go out for 2017s? If not, when? Are Jake Reed Fall invites already done going out (I know some are out)?


Anyone on the above?



Literally just got mav
Son just got it as well. 100% worth it. Best showcase event at this point in the Summer, has supplanted Jake Reed as top.

Just got Maverick. Have to pony up $695 in advance. Is this event a premier event that can charge that kind of fee?


For 2017s?



yes
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/09/13 02:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anybody know if Maverick Showtime invites have started to go out for 2017s? If not, when? Are Jake Reed Fall invites already done going out (I know some are out)?


Anyone on the above?



Literally just got mav
Son just got it as well. 100% worth it. Best showcase event at this point in the Summer, has supplanted Jake Reed as top.

Just got Maverick. Have to pony up $695 in advance. Is this event a premier event that can charge that kind of fee?


For 2017s?
Yes, last night received the invite
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/10/13 03:21 AM
I heard the top two players on the turtles are going to fl$. Several players I know have turned down Turtle offers. Basically no one wants to be on a team designed for the owners son.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/10/13 12:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I heard the top two players on the turtles are going to fl$. Several players I know have turned down Turtle offers. Basically no one wants to be on a team designed for the owners son.


Yeah nooone would wanna go to one of the best teams in the age group. Naah
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/10/13 12:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I heard the top two players on the turtles are going to fl$. Several players I know have turned down Turtle offers. Basically no one wants to be on a team designed for the owners son.


You heard wrong on all points. The two top Turtles are on the Turtles.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/10/13 02:31 PM
They should change their name to The Dinosaurs.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I heard the top two players on the turtles are going to fl$. Several players I know have turned down Turtle offers. Basically no one wants to be on a team designed for the owners son.


You heard wrong on all points. The two top Turtles are on the Turtles.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/10/13 03:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I heard the top two players on the turtles are going to fl$. Several players I know have turned down Turtle offers. Basically no one wants to be on a team designed for the owners son.


You heard wrong on all points. The two top Turtles are on the Turtles.


You are absolutely correct because those that left opened up the top two slots to those who remained.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/10/13 04:24 PM
Do you apply for maverick on website or is invitation only thanks
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/10/13 05:05 PM
invite only
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/10/13 05:27 PM
No application, requires coaches recommendation I believe which need to be submitted by end of August. May still be time, not sure, but I know many invites have already gone out.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/10/13 06:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Outlaws/ gladiator merge at 2017 , is it true


No Gladiatior 2017 team this year. The prior 2017 Outlaws black teamwas notified that many Gladiators would be in attendance at the Outlwas tryouts.....and there were a bunch (8-10) at the first tryout date. My understanding is that a good number were offered spots and a few have to come back to the second tryout this weekend.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/10/13 09:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I heard the top two players on the turtles are going to fl$. Several players I know have turned down Turtle offers. Basically no one wants to be on a team designed for the owners son.

heard going to 91. And the grass is never greener
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/10/13 11:33 PM
Never say never
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/11/13 12:30 AM
Since fl$ tryouts are over how is their team looking?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/11/13 01:24 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I heard the top two players on the turtles are going to fl$. Several players I know have turned down Turtle offers. Basically no one wants to be on a team designed for the owners son.

heard going to 91. And the grass is never greener



The grass might be a lot greener if the kids aren't playing for 3 Napoleonic, sarcastic and unsupportive coaches whose nepotism is extraordinary and legendary at this point.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/11/13 04:16 AM
Heard a turtle kid from WM made Var team ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/11/13 12:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Since fl$ tryouts are over how is their team looking?


You would need to see the roster first to determine that. Boys had until last night to register to accept the spot. Team will likely be up on their website in a few days. There was a tremenous amount of talent on both days, will need to wait and see.....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/11/13 12:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I heard the top two players on the turtles are going to fl$. Several players I know have turned down Turtle offers. Basically no one wants to be on a team designed for the owners son.

heard going to 91. And the grass is never greener



The grass might be a lot greener if the kids aren't playing for 3 Napoleonic, sarcastic and unsupportive coaches whose nepotism is extraordinary and legendary at this point.


Well if winning lots of tournaments means anything, they have done a good job.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/11/13 02:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Heard a turtle kid from WM made Var team ?


Are you talking about this past season or for next Spring? Nobody will know anything about next Spring until School practices start.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/11/13 05:41 PM
The first week of school and the coaches picked the varsity team for a spring sport?? come on now...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/11/13 07:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I heard the top two players on the turtles are going to fl$. Several players I know have turned down Turtle offers. Basically no one wants to be on a team designed for the owners son.

heard going to 91. And the grass is never greener



The grass might be a lot greener if the kids aren't playing for 3 Napoleonic, sarcastic and unsupportive coaches whose nepotism is extraordinary and legendary at this point.


Well if winning lots of tournaments means anything, they have done a good job.


Well apparently it doesn't if you have a few of their top players looking elsewhere.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/11/13 07:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I heard the top two players on the turtles are going to fl$. Several players I know have turned down Turtle offers. Basically no one wants to be on a team designed for the owners son.

heard going to 91. And the grass is never greener



The grass might be a lot greener if the kids aren't playing for 3 Napoleonic, sarcastic and unsupportive coaches whose nepotism is extraordinary and legendary at this point.


Well if winning lots of tournaments means anything, they have done a good job.


Well apparently it doesn't if you have a few of their top players looking elsewhere.

maybe these boys just weren't happy being one of the best and are moving to a team they are the best.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/11/13 08:12 PM
Does anyone know how good jr lizards were this year in summer (2017) ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/11/13 10:26 PM
yeah sure, blame the fact that the two best kids jumped on the kids themselves...cmon man...everyone on long island knows why they jumped.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/11/13 11:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
yeah sure, blame the fact that the two best kids jumped on the kids themselves...cmon man...everyone on long island knows why they jumped.

What kids and why did they jump
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/12/13 01:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
yeah sure, blame the fact that the two best kids jumped on the kids themselves...cmon man...everyone on long island knows why they jumped.


I don't! Why did they jump? & BTW who knows if they will be the "best" on the next team they go to
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/12/13 01:31 PM
If everyone knows the reason why don't you explain it for us?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/12/13 01:43 PM
Does anyone know when the Express are going to announce their 2017 "Superteam". It was around this time last year. That's all we heard about. Would be great to see how many of those kids were retained. Especially after some of the top players left the Turtles. Anyone know where they ended up? Terps? fl$? 91?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/12/13 01:46 PM
They didn't have teams
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/12/13 02:06 PM
Looking for some input on the recruiting camps for this age:

National Invite 175 - This fall and next summer
3D Blue Chip - Winter - FL
Phily Freshmen - Fall
Fab Frosh - Summer in CT
Maverick Showtime - Summer
Any others worth noting?

Quite a few already , could be dropping $2,000 in 1 year for camps.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/12/13 04:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looking for some input on the recruiting camps for this age:

National Invite 175 - This fall and next summer
3D Blue Chip - Winter - FL
Phily Freshmen - Fall
Fab Frosh - Summer in CT
Maverick Showtime - Summer
Any others worth noting?

Quite a few already , could be dropping $2,000 in 1 year for camps.


My opinion in order of importance/cache developed from speaking with a lot of the top club coaches, college coaches, and parents of older boys:

Fall: Philly Freshman Showcase, Nat'l 175, Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip

Summer: Maverick Showtime, Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip, Black Card (NSCLA teams only), Top 205
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/12/13 05:07 PM
Try and attend as many college showcases at schools of interest as possible. Although the school invite boys individually the showcases must be open to all to be NCAA compliant
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/12/13 06:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Try and attend as many college showcases at schools of interest as possible. Although the school invite boys individually the showcases must be open to all to be NCAA compliant


Do you recommend the indivudual college camps over the showcases or in addition?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/12/13 07:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Try and attend as many college showcases at schools of interest as possible. Although the school invite boys individually the showcases must be open to all to be NCAA compliant


Do you recommend the indivudual college camps over the showcases or in addition?


Personally if your son has a group of schools he is targeting, the on campus prospect clinics are much more effective. Again anyone can sign up to these, but helps if you know when they are offered so you don't get shut out.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/12/13 07:50 PM
The Brine Nationals had a boat load of college coaches watching the High School teams, of course, you have to make one of the Long Island teams to attend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looking for some input on the recruiting camps for this age:

National Invite 175 - This fall and next summer
3D Blue Chip - Winter - FL
Phily Freshmen - Fall
Fab Frosh - Summer in CT
Maverick Showtime - Summer
Any others worth noting?

Quite a few already , could be dropping $2,000 in 1 year for camps.


My opinion in order of importance/cache developed from speaking with a lot of the top club coaches, college coaches, and parents of older boys:

Fall: Philly Freshman Showcase, Nat'l 175, Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip

Summer: Maverick Showtime, Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip, Black Card (NSCLA teams only), Top 205
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/13/13 03:02 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anyone know when the Express are going to announce their 2017 "Superteam". It was around this time last year. That's all we heard about. Would be great to see how many of those kids were retained. Especially after some of the top players left the Turtles. Anyone know where they ended up? Terps? fl$? 91?


There shall be no "super team" for express.

The turtle shell has fracture and precious vital fluids have been irreparably spilled as 3-4 first line players left for hopes of better experiences as a player and a person.

fl$ has failed to gain a dominant increase in quality players. They have retained many very good players.

Express lost some quality players but has the depth to replace and maintain a strong base.

91 has been flooded with talented players seeking to form a cohesive unit of national championship level experienced players. Their prospects look good in that regard.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/13/13 01:30 PM
My 2018 son just got the invite to Jake Reed 3d Blue Chip camp in January. Would love to hear thoughts from any 2017'er whose son went? Worthwhile? Did son get picked for summer camp? Thanks for any input.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/13/13 02:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anyone know when the Express are going to announce their 2017 "Superteam". It was around this time last year. That's all we heard about. Would be great to see how many of those kids were retained. Especially after some of the top players left the Turtles. Anyone know where they ended up? Terps? fl$? 91?


There shall be no "super team" for express.

The turtle shell has fracture and precious vital fluids have been irreparably spilled as 3-4 first line players left for hopes of better experiences as a player and a person.

fl$ has failed to gain a dominant increase in quality players. They have retained many very good players.

Express lost some quality players but has the depth to replace and maintain a strong base.

91 has been flooded with talented players seeking to form a cohesive unit of national championship level experienced players. Their prospects look good in that regard.



Wow, you have your pulse on the top teams and know which kid went where when none of the rosters have been posted.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/13/13 02:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anyone know when the Express are going to announce their 2017 "Superteam". It was around this time last year. That's all we heard about. Would be great to see how many of those kids were retained. Especially after some of the top players left the Turtles. Anyone know where they ended up? Terps? fl$? 91?


There shall be no "super team" for express.

The turtle shell has fracture and precious vital fluids have been irreparably spilled as 3-4 first line players left for hopes of better experiences as a player and a person.

fl$ has failed to gain a dominant increase in quality players. They have retained many very good players.

Express lost some quality players but has the depth to replace and maintain a strong base.

91 has been flooded with talented players seeking to form a cohesive unit of national championship level experienced players. Their prospects look good in that regard.



Wow, you have your pulse on the top teams and know which kid went where when none of the rosters have been posted.


Because he's a 91 fruitcake that no matter what they do over there will never match what Express has. Aint nobody got time for dat!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/13/13 02:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My 2018 son just got the invite to Jake Reed 3d Blue Chip camp in January. Would love to hear thoughts from any 2017'er whose son went? Worthwhile? Did son get picked for summer camp? Thanks for any input.


For my son, it was a great experience. Very good position-level training from 3D combined with first showcase-type experience (4 games). For Mid-Atlantic region, good competition with many of the best players from LI, NJ, PA, etc. Also, for 8th graders, this is the only avcenue to Jake Reed which my son made. Don't do it for college exposure (none), although making Jake Reed is a plus, do it b/c it is well-run, good training, good competition, and will give your son some epxerience with showcase-type events and play against pretty good competition. However, this all has to be weighed against the expense as it isn't cheap.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/13/13 03:33 PM
Has anyone's son received an invite for Jake Reed for summer? I know Fall Jake Reed invites have already gone out and Jake's website/twitter says summer invites will be out by October 1st. Just not sure if summer invites have been sent out yet. Thoughts?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/13/13 07:18 PM
Thanks a lot for your thoughts. Really very helpful.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/13/13 07:29 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Has anyone's son received an invite for Jake Reed for summer? I know Fall Jake Reed invites have already gone out and Jake's website/twitter says summer invites will be out by October 1st. Just not sure if summer invites have been sent out yet. Thoughts?


Yes we did. The bottom of the email states there will be no direct invites to the summer camp without going through the winter proce$$...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/13/13 08:46 PM
That is true only for the 2018s/8th graders. The older grades have 120 direct invites (60 based on performance at Jake Reed rising freshman camp out of the 120 invited/60 from Jake that are self-selected) that will go out by October. I am asking for the 2017 kids not the 2018s but thanks.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/14/13 12:18 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That is true only for the 2018s/8th graders. The older grades have 120 direct invites (60 based on performance at Jake Reed rising freshman camp out of the 120 invited/60 from Jake that are self-selected) that will go out by October. I am asking for the 2017 kids not the 2018s but thanks.


Correct as far as I have been informed by a very reliable source
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/14/13 12:50 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anyone know when the Express are going to announce their 2017 "Superteam". It was around this time last year. That's all we heard about. Would be great to see how many of those kids were retained. Especially after some of the top players left the Turtles. Anyone know where they ended up? Terps? fl$? 91?


There shall be no "super team" for express.

The turtle shell has fracture and precious vital fluids have been irreparably spilled as 3-4 first line players left for hopes of better experiences as a player and a person.

fl$ has failed to gain a dominant increase in quality players. They have retained many very good players.

Express lost some quality players but has the depth to replace and maintain a strong base.

91 has been flooded with talented players seeking to form a cohesive unit of national championship level experienced players. Their prospects look good in that regard.



Wow, you have your pulse on the top teams and know which kid went where when none of the rosters have been posted.


Because he's a 91 fruitcake that no matter what they do over there will never match what Express has. Aint nobody got time for dat!


Wrong again....just have good friends with kids on all the teams mentioned and have been informed as to such events.

I would have to disagree, however, with your assessment of the current status of the Express Vs 91 content. Phantom coaches (albeit good coaches) on one program Vs enthusiastic and experienced coaches in another growing program is not really an arguable point. One has become a pure money grab; the other a true learning experience for the players.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/14/13 01:59 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anyone know when the Express are going to announce their 2017 "Superteam". It was around this time last year. That's all we heard about. Would be great to see how many of those kids were retained. Especially after some of the top players left the Turtles. Anyone know where they ended up? Terps? fl$? 91?


There shall be no "super team" for express.

The turtle shell has fracture and precious vital fluids have been irreparably spilled as 3-4 first line players left for hopes of better experiences as a player and a person.

fl$ has failed to gain a dominant increase in quality players. They have retained many very good players.

Express lost some quality players but has the depth to replace and maintain a strong base.

91 has been flooded with talented players seeking to form a cohesive unit of national championship level experienced players. Their prospects look good in that regard.



Wow, you have your pulse on the top teams and know which kid went where when none of the rosters have been posted.


Because he's a 91 fruitcake that no matter what they do over there will never match what Express has. Aint nobody got time for dat!


Wrong again....just have good friends with kids on all the teams mentioned and have been informed as to such events.

I would have to disagree, however, with your assessment of the current status of the Express Vs 91 content. Phantom coaches (albeit good coaches) on one program Vs enthusiastic and experienced coaches in another growing program is not really an arguable point. One has become a pure money grab; the other a true learning experience for the players.


So you put down every organization less 91 then you state you have no connection to 91...I don't buy it but then again no need to. Enjoy your true learning experience this year as next year you will most likely have a different flavor in your mouth.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/14/13 02:52 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anyone know when the Express are going to announce their 2017 "Superteam". It was around this time last year. That's all we heard about. Would be great to see how many of those kids were retained. Especially after some of the top players left the Turtles. Anyone know where they ended up? Terps? fl$? 91?


There shall be no "super team" for express.

The turtle shell has fracture and precious vital fluids have been irreparably spilled as 3-4 first line players left for hopes of better experiences as a player and a person.

fl$ has failed to gain a dominant increase in quality players. They have retained many very good players.

Express lost some quality players but has the depth to replace and maintain a strong base.

91 has been flooded with talented players seeking to form a cohesive unit of national championship level experienced players. Their prospects look good in that regard.



Wow, you have your pulse on the top teams and know which kid went where when none of the rosters have been posted.


A couple of overrated turtle kids left for fl$. Several Express kids are getting cut and MC is recruiting some replacements. 91 is picking up possibly another Express kid. Bottom line is most kids are going to be in a good home one way or the other
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/14/13 04:01 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anyone know when the Express are going to announce their 2017 "Superteam". It was around this time last year. That's all we heard about. Would be great to see how many of those kids were retained. Especially after some of the top players left the Turtles. Anyone know where they ended up? Terps? fl$? 91?


There shall be no "super team" for express.

The turtle shell has fracture and precious vital fluids have been irreparably spilled as 3-4 first line players left for hopes of better experiences as a player and a person.

fl$ has failed to gain a dominant increase in quality players. They have retained many very good players.

Express lost some quality players but has the depth to replace and maintain a strong base.

91 has been flooded with talented players seeking to form a cohesive unit of national championship level experienced players. Their prospects look good in that regard.



Wow, you have your pulse on the top teams and know which kid went where when none of the rosters have been posted.


Because he's a 91 fruitcake that no matter what they do over there will never match what Express has. Aint nobody got time for dat!


Wrong again....just have good friends with kids on all the teams mentioned and have been informed as to such events.

I would have to disagree, however, with your assessment of the current status of the Express Vs 91 content. Phantom coaches (albeit good coaches) on one program Vs enthusiastic and experienced coaches in another growing program is not really an arguable point. One has become a pure money grab; the other a true learning experience for the players.


So you put down every organization less 91 then you state you have no connection to 91...I don't buy it but then again no need to. Enjoy your true learning experience this year as next year you will most likely have a different flavor in your mouth.


Where is the put down in the above statement? If you take observations and reports by parent of the kids on those teams and read "put downs" as your interpretation; then clearly you are a very sensitive and uninformed individual prone to subjective claims.

Do your research. Then make an intelligent and informed comment.

BTW, What is it with the vast numbers of you Long Island guys and your emotional knee jerk petulant reactions to any discourse that differs from your own?

Insecurity and poor education is not a justifiable indication for rampant ignorance.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/14/13 04:37 AM
Definitely do Maverik and or Jake Reed. If you are realistic with your kids ability and have a good grasp of what level (D1, D2 or D3) he can play I recommend trying to get on campus of the schools you are interested in for their prospect camps.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/14/13 12:31 PM
Stop talking about individual kids. It is totally inappropriate. Back of the Cage should not allow this type of discussion.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/14/13 12:47 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stop talking about individual kids. It is totally inappropriate. Back of the Cage should not allow this type of discussion.
BOTC has already handled the questionable posts that identified an individual player.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/14/13 01:47 PM

Where is the put down in the above statement? If you take observations and reports by parent of the kids on those teams and read "put downs" as your interpretation; then clearly you are a very sensitive and uninformed individual prone to subjective claims.

Do your research. Then make an intelligent and informed comment.

BTW, What is it with the vast numbers of you Long Island guys and your emotional knee jerk petulant reactions to any discourse that differs from your own?

Insecurity and poor education is not a justifiable indication for rampant ignorance. [/quote]

Blah, blah, blah...your eloquent use of the English language is shallow yet amusing. Great use of the Thesaurus. Like the "throw in" of you Long Island guys...deep!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/14/13 04:08 PM
I held my son out of the 3d Camp last year. I spoke with a recent D1 player who is now coaching and he said between the Travel Team he plays for and his High School Teams exposure, he would be fine and not need this type of camp.

I'm not sure if he was correct but wonder why we don't hear more opinions on this forum from coaches and past players who have real life experiences and benefit from this forum through their clinics and teams.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/14/13 05:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is the put down in the above statement? If you take observations and reports by parent of the kids on those teams and read "put downs" as your interpretation; then clearly you are a very sensitive and uninformed individual prone to subjective claims.

Do your research. Then make an intelligent and informed comment.

BTW, What is it with the vast numbers of you Long Island guys and your emotional knee jerk petulant reactions to any discourse that differs from your own?

Insecurity and poor education is not a justifiable indication for rampant ignorance.


Blah, blah, blah...your eloquent use of the English language is shallow yet amusing. Great use of the Thesaurus. Like the "throw in" of you Long Island guys...deep! [/quote]

Thanks for the compliment. English is my first language and thankfully I do not require the use of a thesaurus. Did you have trouble spelling that; or was it necessary to run into your child's study to learn to it? Not quite sure of your "deep" connotation. Sarcasm was intended on your part yet was not very "deep" at all. Shallowness: Yes; It is the one thing to avoid while attempting to converse with the typical blue collar Long Island simple minds who truly believe lacrosse will be their child's savior into a university hoping to compensate for years of video gaming instead of studying. wink
Please, return to your comic books and NASCAR events ASAP and do not concern yourself with adult dialogues as you might suffer a momentary epiphany of intelligent thought processes. Eek!! Perish the thought or the extremely remote possibility!
Have a nice day living vicariously through your child.
:-)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/15/13 01:18 AM
Are the outlaws going to become a better team this year? heard they picked up some solid players
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/15/13 01:25 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is the put down in the above statement? If you take observations and reports by parent of the kids on those teams and read "put downs" as your interpretation; then clearly you are a very sensitive and uninformed individual prone to subjective claims.

Do your research. Then make an intelligent and informed comment.

BTW, What is it with the vast numbers of you Long Island guys and your emotional knee jerk petulant reactions to any discourse that differs from your own?

Insecurity and poor education is not a justifiable indication for rampant ignorance.


Blah, blah, blah...your eloquent use of the English language is shallow yet amusing. Great use of the Thesaurus. Like the "throw in" of you Long Island guys...deep!


Thanks for the compliment. English is my first language and thankfully I do not require the use of a thesaurus. Did you have trouble spelling that; or was it necessary to run into your child's study to learn to it? Not quite sure of your "deep" connotation. Sarcasm was intended on your part yet was not very "deep" at all. Shallowness: Yes; It is the one thing to avoid while attempting to converse with the typical blue collar Long Island simple minds who truly believe lacrosse will be their child's savior into a university hoping to compensate for years of video gaming instead of studying. wink
Please, return to your comic books and NASCAR events ASAP and do not concern yourself with adult dialogues as you might suffer a momentary epiphany of intelligent thought processes. Eek!! Perish the thought or the extremely remote possibility!
Have a nice day living vicariously through your child.
:-) [/quote]

I didn't realize Oxford had lacrosse. Wow!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/16/13 12:36 PM
Can anyone confirm if Express tryouts had a big turnout yesterday? I heard not really.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/16/13 01:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can anyone confirm if Express tryouts had a big turnout yesterday? I heard not really.


over 100
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/16/13 01:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are the outlaws going to become a better team this year? heard they picked up some solid players


They might/might not be better. Depends on how new Gladiators mesh with the entrenched Huntington crowd....I see playing time issues arising with the Huntington crew.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/16/13 01:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Has anyone's son received an invite for Jake Reed for summer? I know Fall Jake Reed invites have already gone out and Jake's website/twitter says summer invites will be out by October 1st. Just not sure if summer invites have been sent out yet. Thoughts?


You should forget Jake Reed, overrated. Maverick Showtime had much more press and D1 representation this past summer. My son did both and Showtime was superior. They also gave the boys a really nice package of equiptment. You also need an invite
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/16/13 01:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can anyone confirm if Express tryouts had a big turnout yesterday? I heard not really.


over 100


The 2018 has close to 200 and the 2017 was some were around 150. After you count in the late arrivals. Lot of talent in the top 40 kids or so. Looks like a lot of the same kids from Terps and Treps Black. Dropped off after that.



Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/16/13 01:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Has anyone's son received an invite for Jake Reed for summer? I know Fall Jake Reed invites have already gone out and Jake's website/twitter says summer invites will be out by October 1st. Just not sure if summer invites have been sent out yet. Thoughts?


You should forget Jake Reed, overrated. Maverick Showtime had much more press and D1 representation this past summer. My son did both and Showtime was superior. They also gave the boys a really nice package of equiptment. You also need an invite


Thank you. My son has already been accepted to Maverick for this upcoming summer, was just trying to hear if kids have started to receive invites for Jake Reed for the summer already. The Fall Jake Reed invites are out (I think a lot of kids are going to Philly Showcase instead/same weekend), just wanted to hear if kids have received Jake Reed summer invites already as Jake Reed's website and Twitter said they will be out by October 1st.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/16/13 02:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can anyone confirm if Express tryouts had a big turnout yesterday? I heard not really.


over 100


The 2018 has close to 200 and the 2017 was some were around 150. After you count in the late arrivals. Lot of talent in the top 40 kids or so. Looks like a lot of the same kids from Terps and Treps Black. Dropped off after that.

2018 had about 100...not 200. 2017 had about 125. I agree about the top 40...scary good....

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/16/13 02:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can anyone confirm if Express tryouts had a big turnout yesterday? I heard not really.


over 100


The 2018 has close to 200 and the 2017 was some were around 150. After you count in the late arrivals. Lot of talent in the top 40 kids or so. Looks like a lot of the same kids from Terps and Treps Black. Dropped off after that.

2018 had about 100...not 200. 2017 had about 125. I agree about the top 40...scary good....

I am actually a little suprised to hear that as the Terps Black/Terps 2017s are no doubt talentted but did not have the greatest summer last year. The team was not in the conversation for one of the top 4-5 club nationally. Are they getting better kids for this fall/summer. Again, no question they are very talented, but so will 91, Turtles, etc.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/16/13 03:15 PM
As an Outlaw parent, I can tell you the new relationship between the "Huntington crew" and new Gladiator parents has been nothing but fantastic.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/16/13 03:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As an Outlaw parent, I can tell you the new relationship between the "Huntington crew" and new Gladiator parents has been nothing but fantastic.


So after two tryout dates, you have a fantastic realtionship with other parents? That's great but I believe the poster was referring to the playing time issue that will arise once games/tournaments start and some of those "favors" that are on the team from Huntington don't see much playing time. The Gladiators spanked the Outlaws last year.....and those Gladiators who were at the tryouts were heads and shoulders above the attack/middie postions occupied by Huntington boys last season.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/16/13 04:23 PM
Don't you guys get tired arguing whose 14 year old boy is better? I've never seen such chest bumping/name calling over a kid's sport.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/16/13 06:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't you guys get tired arguing whose 14 year old boy is better? I've never seen such chest bumping/name calling over a kid's sport.


Nope... silly question.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/16/13 07:17 PM
Outlaws looked good on Sunday versus Recon. I was a recon parent and talked to some outlaws parents. The Outlaws apparently weren't done finishing their roster, but even if they add nobody they are very good.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/16/13 07:54 PM
Anyone know how good Team Long Island 2017 Team is? They seem to be in all the A tournaments.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/16/13 09:21 PM
How many kids have left the Turtles since the summer? The two Cold Spring Harbor kids are no longer on the Turtles website, how many others have left? Are they recruting new kids?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/16/13 10:05 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How many kids have left the Turtles since the summer? The two Cold Spring Harbor kids are no longer on the Turtles website, how many others have left? Are they recruting new kids?

There best player by far was the attackman from CSH. He started varsity as a 8th grader & played well. What team did he go to.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/16/13 10:19 PM
91
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/16/13 10:34 PM
heard both CSH kids went to 91.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/16/13 10:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know how good Team Long Island 2017 Team is? They seem to be in all the A tournaments.


Team Long Island does not do grade based teams. They do age. Depending on the tournament a 2017 team could be playing their u14 or u15 team next year and yes the top teams will be in the A division. Each team (u14/u15) won a few tournaments last year.

To give an idea the u15 (u14 past year) team lost to 91 orange 6-3 in phili. The u14 (u13 last year) beat 2017 3village at stony brook and 91 navy, beat the jesters at phili. They lost to true blue 7-5 at maverick.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/17/13 12:26 AM
Fire Ball/Fire ball coming
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/17/13 12:27 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know how good Team Long Island 2017 Team is? They seem to be in all the A tournaments.


Team Long Island does not do grade based teams. They do age. Depending on the tournament a 2017 team could be playing their u14 or u15 team next year and yes the top teams will be in the A division. Each team (u14/u15) won a few tournaments last year.

To give an idea the u15 (u14 past year) team lost to 91 orange 6-3 in phili. The u14 (u13 last year) beat 2017 3village at stony brook and 91 navy, beat the jesters at phili. They lost to true blue 7-5 at maverick.


I believe the question was about U17, so stop trying to get your jabs in about other teams, (typical wannabe), Team LI U17 is a top team. They won Philly invitational showcase, Dicks elite division 2012, and Stowe. They have players from freshman to Jr. They have several D1 committed players. Great team, half the price of of the others. Facts only
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/17/13 12:28 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How many kids have left the Turtles since the summer? The two Cold Spring Harbor kids are no longer on the Turtles website, how many others have left? Are they recruting new kids?

There best player by far was the attackman from CSH. He started varsity as a 8th grader & played well. What team did he go to.


Yes he was, big loss for them, many others riding on him!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/17/13 01:24 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How many kids have left the Turtles since the summer? The two Cold Spring Harbor kids are no longer on the Turtles website, how many others have left? Are they recruting new kids?

There best player by far was the attackman from CSH. He started varsity as a 8th grader & played well. What team did he go to.


Yes he was, big loss for them, many others riding on him!


How did they do in the tournaments he didn't play in last summer?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/17/13 02:27 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know how good Team Long Island 2017 Team is? They seem to be in all the A tournaments.


Team Long Island does not do grade based teams. They do age. Depending on the tournament a 2017 team could be playing their u14 or u15 team next year and yes the top teams will be in the A division. Each team (u14/u15) won a few tournaments last year.

To give an idea the u15 (u14 past year) team lost to 91 orange 6-3 in phili. The u14 (u13 last year) beat 2017 3village at stony brook and 91 navy, beat the jesters at phili. They lost to true blue 7-5 at maverick.


I believe the question was about U17, so stop trying to get your jabs in about other teams, (typical wannabe), Team LI U17 is a top team. They won Philly invitational showcase, Dicks elite division 2012, and Stowe. They have players from freshman to Jr. They have several D1 committed players. Great team, half the price of of the others. Facts only


The question does say 2017 , not u17. Also didn't think I was knocking any team, just giving an idea as to how thye stack up against the other local a teams. Both u13 and u14 did very well this past year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/17/13 03:12 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How many kids have left the Turtles since the summer? The two Cold Spring Harbor kids are no longer on the Turtles website, how many others have left? Are they recruting new kids?

There best player by far was the attackman from CSH. He started varsity as a 8th grader & played well. What team did he go to.


Yes he was, big loss for them, many others riding on him!


How did they do in the tournaments he didn't play in last summer?


There are three kids on the Express Black that have equivalent talent and are being recruited by the Turtles right now.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/17/13 03:22 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can anyone confirm if Express tryouts had a big turnout yesterday? I heard not really.


over 100


The 2018 has close to 200 and the 2017 was some were around 150. After you count in the late arrivals. Lot of talent in the top 40 kids or so. Looks like a lot of the same kids from Terps and Treps Black. Dropped off after that.

2018 had about 100...not 200. 2017 had about 125. I agree about the top 40...scary good....

I am actually a little suprised to hear that as the Terps Black/Terps 2017s are no doubt talentted but did not have the greatest summer last year. The team was not in the conversation for one of the top 4-5 club nationally. Are they getting better kids for this fall/summer. Again, no question they are very talented, but so will 91, Turtles, etc.

The Terps had a great tournament at Lake Placid. Played very strong teams from an older division, went 4-1. They beat the Dukes several times ,Won the U maryland tournament and won the Indoor Nationals and beat everyone they played in the fall easily. No one put a whipping on them. The Crab Feast was played in 100 degree heat in games with 8 minute quarters so whoever got ahead won . So those losses dont count for much , as a matter of fact all the other so called great teams lost in that tournament as well. The problem on the express was not the kids on the team, it was the silly structure the team had which never allowed the kids to jell as a team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/17/13 12:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As an Outlaw parent, I can tell you the new relationship between the "Huntington crew" and new Gladiator parents has been nothing but fantastic.


So after two tryout dates, you have a fantastic realtionship with other parents? That's great but I believe the poster was referring to the playing time issue that will arise once games/tournaments start and some of those "favors" that are on the team from Huntington don't see much playing time. The Gladiators spanked the Outlaws last year.....and those Gladiators who were at the tryouts were heads and shoulders above the attack/middie postions occupied by Huntington boys last season.


Hopefully the Outlaws don't have to deal with the crazy Gladiator mother who ran onto the field at the fl$ in 3D tourney and started yelling at a player from a Maryland team. I believe she was followed by an equally crazy father of another child! Good luck with those parents!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/17/13 12:47 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can anyone confirm if Express tryouts had a big turnout yesterday? I heard not really.


over 100


The 2018 has close to 200 and the 2017 was some were around 150. After you count in the late arrivals. Lot of talent in the top 40 kids or so. Looks like a lot of the same kids from Terps and Treps Black. Dropped off after that.

2018 had about 100...not 200. 2017 had about 125. I agree about the top 40...scary good....

I am actually a little suprised to hear that as the Terps Black/Terps 2017s are no doubt talentted but did not have the greatest summer last year. The team was not in the conversation for one of the top 4-5 club nationally. Are they getting better kids for this fall/summer. Again, no question they are very talented, but so will 91, Turtles, etc.

The Terps had a great tournament at Lake Placid. Played very strong teams from an older division, went 4-1. They beat the Dukes several times ,Won the U maryland tournament and won the Indoor Nationals and beat everyone they played in the fall easily. No one put a whipping on them. The Crab Feast was played in 100 degree heat in games with 8 minute quarters so whoever got ahead won . So those losses dont count for much , as a matter of fact all the other so called great teams lost in that tournament as well. The problem on the express was not the kids on the team, it was the silly structure the team had which never allowed the kids to jell as a team.


Really, beat Dukes several times in the summer (when they had their full team)? When and where? Again, not questioning the talent on the Terps Black/Terps and acknowledge the structural issues which may not have allowed them to fully gel, still didn't see them as one of the top, top teams this summer. Signature wins? Hard to judge Lake Placid, how about vs. other best 2017 teams in the summer?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/17/13 01:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How many kids have left the Turtles since the summer? The two Cold Spring Harbor kids are no longer on the Turtles website, how many others have left? Are they recruting new kids?

There best player by far was the attackman from CSH. He started varsity as a 8th grader & played well. What team did he go to.


Yes he was, big loss for them, many others riding on him!


How did they do in the tournaments he didn't play in last summer?


There are three kids on the Express Black that have equivalent talent and are being recruited by the Turtles right now.


We'll see, doubt they can replace who left. I'm more interested in why he left, I'm sure it's a good one!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/17/13 01:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How many kids have left the Turtles since the summer? The two Cold Spring Harbor kids are no longer on the Turtles website, how many others have left? Are they recruting new kids?

There best player by far was the attackman from CSH. He started varsity as a 8th grader & played well. What team did he go to.


Yes he was, big loss for them, many others riding on him!


How did they do in the tournaments he didn't play in last summer?


There are three kids on the Express Black that have equivalent talent and are being recruited by the Turtles right now.


We'll see, doubt they can replace who left. I'm more interested in why he left, I'm sure it's a good one!

Most likely because the team is controlled by parents and playing time issues etc. Also at the Blue Chip event, the turtle kids had to play against real defenders and they were exposed as not as great as advertised.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/17/13 01:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How many kids have left the Turtles since the summer? The two Cold Spring Harbor kids are no longer on the Turtles website, how many others have left? Are they recruting new kids?

There best player by far was the attackman from CSH. He started varsity as a 8th grader & played well. What team did he go to.


Yes he was, big loss for them, many others riding on him!


How did they do in the tournaments he didn't play in last summer?


There are three kids on the Express Black that have equivalent talent and are being recruited by the Turtles right now.


We'll see, doubt they can replace who left. I'm more interested in why he left, I'm sure it's a good one!


Anyone at the express tryout could very simply see, the ability level between the most of the express black and the turtles are really the same. Clear as day. Might have been a difference a couple of years ago but no more. No knock on the turtles they are great, but how many players have the lost so far?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/17/13 01:47 PM


Who cares about last summer? With all the roster changes talked about on this board what some team did last summer is inconsequential. It's time to start looking to summer 2014. I can't wait to see the ORANGE AND WHITE OF MIGHTY 91!!!! We're going to roll baby................
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/17/13 01:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How many kids have left the Turtles since the summer? The two Cold Spring Harbor kids are no longer on the Turtles website, how many others have left? Are they recruting new kids?

There best player by far was the attackman from CSH. He started varsity as a 8th grader & played well. What team did he go to.


He is an attackman. Turtle offense runs through JD's son at Middie.

Yes he was, big loss for them, many others riding on him!


How did they do in the tournaments he didn't play in last summer?


There are three kids on the Express Black that have equivalent talent and are being recruited by the Turtles right now.


We'll see, doubt they can replace who left. I'm more interested in why he left, I'm sure it's a good one!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/17/13 04:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can anyone confirm if Express tryouts had a big turnout yesterday? I heard not really.


over 100


The 2018 has close to 200 and the 2017 was some were around 150. After you count in the late arrivals. Lot of talent in the top 40 kids or so. Looks like a lot of the same kids from Terps and Treps Black. Dropped off after that.

2018 had about 100...not 200. 2017 had about 125. I agree about the top 40...scary good....

I am actually a little suprised to hear that as the Terps Black/Terps 2017s are no doubt talentted but did not have the greatest summer last year. The team was not in the conversation for one of the top 4-5 club nationally. Are they getting better kids for this fall/summer. Again, no question they are very talented, but so will 91, Turtles, etc.

The Terps had a great tournament at Lake Placid. Played very strong teams from an older division, went 4-1. They beat the Dukes several times ,Won the U maryland tournament and won the Indoor Nationals and beat everyone they played in the fall easily. No one put a whipping on them. The Crab Feast was played in 100 degree heat in games with 8 minute quarters so whoever got ahead won . So those losses dont count for much , as a matter of fact all the other so called great teams lost in that tournament as well. The problem on the express was not the kids on the team, it was the silly structure the team had which never allowed the kids to jell as a team.


"Those loses don't count for much"...muwahhahahaha!!!!! (but, the Fall wins do count;) Classic Terps Lax Daddy mentality. & "the Silly structure"? Come on, its typical Express "structure". Take everyone's money & try to please all of the crazy parents. It has only gotten worse over the years. Again, I'm sure the kids are fantastic lacrosse players but, please stop with the excuses & how there are "three better kids on our team than the Turtles". its really getting old!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/17/13 04:55 PM
amazingly it was only 100 degrees at the Crab Feast forn the Express, everyone else played in balmy 80 degree temps...damn you Mother nature, did your son get cut from the Terp Black team and you are taking it out on them??? Excuses, excuses
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/17/13 05:09 PM
both of the turtle kids at 91. watched them at tryout and they were both skilled and smart. tough to replace that talent. great pickup for JM.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/17/13 05:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
both of the turtle kids at 91. watched them at tryout and they were both skilled and smart. tough to replace that talent. great pickup for JM.


Why did the turtles leave?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/17/13 06:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
both of the turtle kids at 91. watched them at tryout and they were both skilled and smart. tough to replace that talent. great pickup for JM.


Why did the turtles leave?


Can't be playing time, those kids played a ton and they have a small roster which hurt them when it counted. Happens every year, parents looking to position little johnny so he is the man
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/17/13 06:22 PM
Team 91 tryout numbers for the 2017 team are up 26 kids. Talk about playing time issues
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/17/13 06:51 PM
nope,easy to figure out the parents positioning little johnny were standing on the sidelines as coaches.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/17/13 08:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
nope,easy to figure out the parents positioning little johnny were standing on the sidelines as coaches.


Exactly - and the Turtle offense had to run through little Johnny while daddy coached.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/17/13 08:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
nope,easy to figure out the parents positioning little johnny were standing on the sidelines as coaches.


You have no idea what you're talking about. You seem to be having a hard time seeing through the smoke that Exress has been blowing your way
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/17/13 09:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
nope,easy to figure out the parents positioning little johnny were standing on the sidelines as coaches.


Exactly - and the Turtle offense had to run through little Johnny while daddy coached.


Interesting...I wasn't aware that Coach Powers had a kid on the team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/17/13 09:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
both of the turtle kids at 91. watched them at tryout and they were both skilled and smart. tough to replace that talent. great pickup for JM.


Why did the turtles leave?


Can't be playing time, those kids played a ton and they have a small roster which hurt them when it counted. Happens every year, parents looking to position little johnny so he is the man


Yes, but CHS attack already was the man. Maybe he was preventing others from looking good because he stole the spotlight? Tough to figure out? Turtles won't be the same without him
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/18/13 01:33 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
both of the turtle kids at 91. watched them at tryout and they were both skilled and smart. tough to replace that talent. great pickup for JM.


Why did the turtles leave?


Can't be playing time, those kids played a ton and they have a small roster which hurt them when it counted. Happens every year, parents looking to position little johnny so he is the man


Yes, but CHS attack already was the man. Maybe he was preventing others from looking good because he stole the spotlight? Tough to figure out? Turtles won't be the same without him


Hard to steal the spot light when you're constantly told to feed the ball to the "favorites" or get pulled.
The team is (was) filled with great players, no doubt; but on every team there are naturally going to be those who display higher skill levels. Good for those who left to seek better coaching and development as young men and players.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/18/13 11:45 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
both of the turtle kids at 91. watched them at tryout and they were both skilled and smart. tough to replace that talent. great pickup for JM.


Why did the turtles leave?


Can't be playing time, those kids played a ton and they have a small roster which hurt them when it counted. Happens every year, parents looking to position little johnny so he is the man


Yes, but CHS attack already was the man. Maybe he was preventing others from looking good because he stole the spotlight? Tough to figure out? Turtles won't be the same without him


Hard to steal the spot light when you're constantly told to feed the ball to the "favorites" or get pulled.
The team is (was) filled with great players, no doubt; but on every team there are naturally going to be those who display higher skill levels. Good for those who left to seek better coaching and development as young men and players.


Good point. That makes sense. I've seen that happen on my son's team where every play revolves around the coaches kid. It gets old, and everyone knows it! Good luck to the boys who left, hopefully the repacements just keep their mouthes shut and do what they're told.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/18/13 01:37 PM
The 1st 2016 committed in November 2012.

Each year the date of the 1st commitment has accelerated. When do you expect to see the 1st 2017 commitment?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/18/13 01:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
both of the turtle kids at 91. watched them at tryout and they were both skilled and smart. tough to replace that talent. great pickup for JM.


Why did the turtles leave?


Can't be playing time, those kids played a ton and they have a small roster which hurt them when it counted. Happens every year, parents looking to position little johnny so he is the man


Yes, but CHS attack already was the man. Maybe he was preventing others from looking good because he stole the spotlight? Tough to figure out? Turtles won't be the same without him


Hard to steal the spot light when you're constantly told to feed the ball to the "favorites" or get pulled.
The team is (was) filled with great players, no doubt; but on every team there are naturally going to be those who display higher skill levels. Good for those who left to seek better coaching and development as young men and players.


This just doesn't add up, but time will certainly tell. And how do they expect it to be any better on a team with 26 players? talk about playing time issues, that's 6A, 6D, 12M, and 2G. Maybe MC terps/ terps black/ blue/ orange wasn't such a bad model.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/18/13 01:45 PM
I beleive the turtles played Sachem in a fall ball games this past Sunday. I was on a near by field, didnt see the score but it didnt look like the Turtles blew them out. Not sure how it ended.
One thing I did notice, they played a varsity team and didnt look small. The kids do have good size at this point.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/18/13 01:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The 1st 2016 committed in November 2012.

Each year the date of the 1st commitment has accelerated. When do you expect to see the 1st 2017 commitment?


Who knows? could be earlier.

And it is good and bad. Bad because, well early recruiting....we all have opinions. Good because, maybe 90% of the people on this board will finally be silent when they realize their little Johnny isn't one of those chosen few and the club can't change that.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/18/13 02:05 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I beleive the turtles played Sachem in a fall ball games this past Sunday. I was on a near by field, didnt see the score but it didnt look like the Turtles blew them out. Not sure how it ended.
One thing I did notice, they played a varsity team and didnt look small. The kids do have good size at this point.


My kid played next on same field. Score was 7-4 turtles. Why would you think a freshman team should blow out a varsity team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/18/13 02:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I beleive the turtles played Sachem in a fall ball games this past Sunday. I was on a near by field, didnt see the score but it didnt look like the Turtles blew them out. Not sure how it ended.
One thing I did notice, they played a varsity team and didnt look small. The kids do have good size at this point.


My kid played next on same field. Score was 7-4 turtles. Why would you think a freshman team should blow out a varsity team?


Turtles will now get a reality check as the enter the world of varsity.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/18/13 02:50 PM
Main reason is travel team vs town team, not freshmen vs Varsity.

20 "A" kids from 10 different towns vs 5 "A" kids from 1 town.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/18/13 02:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I beleive the turtles played Sachem in a fall ball games this past Sunday. I was on a near by field, didnt see the score but it didnt look like the Turtles blew them out. Not sure how it ended.
One thing I did notice, they played a varsity team and didnt look small. The kids do have good size at this point.


My kid played next on same field. Score was 7-4 turtles. Why would you think a freshman team should blow out a varsity team?


Turtles will now get a reality check as the enter the world of varsity.


so a team of freshman will get a reality check by playing varsity teams? yep, sounds like a turtle hater
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/18/13 02:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
both of the turtle kids at 91. watched them at tryout and they were both skilled and smart. tough to replace that talent. great pickup for JM.


Why did the turtles leave?


Can't be playing time, those kids played a ton and they have a small roster which hurt them when it counted. Happens every year, parents looking to position little johnny so he is the man


Yes, but CHS attack already was the man. Maybe he was preventing others from looking good because he stole the spotlight? Tough to figure out? Turtles won't be the same without him


Hard to steal the spot light when you're constantly told to feed the ball to the "favorites" or get pulled.
The team is (was) filled with great players, no doubt; but on every team there are naturally going to be those who display higher skill levels. Good for those who left to seek better coaching and development as young men and players.


This just doesn't add up, but time will certainly tell. And how do they expect it to be any better on a team with 26 players? talk about playing time issues, that's 6A, 6D, 12M, and 2G. Maybe MC terps/ terps black/ blue/ orange wasn't such a bad model.


Where r u getting these numbers from? The teams haven't been announced
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/18/13 03:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I beleive the turtles played Sachem in a fall ball games this past Sunday. I was on a near by field, didnt see the score but it didnt look like the Turtles blew them out. Not sure how it ended.
One thing I did notice, they played a varsity team and didnt look small. The kids do have good size at this point.


My kid played next on same field. Score was 7-4 turtles. Why would you think a freshman team should blow out a varsity team?


Turtles will now get a reality check as the enter the world of varsity.


so a team of freshman will get a reality check by playing varsity teams? yep, sounds like a turtle hater


Not a hater, just saying if they are such an elite team, they should be able to beat a town varsity team with kids ranging from freshman to seniors......It wasn't me that created the hype!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/18/13 03:05 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Main reason is travel team vs town team, not freshmen vs Varsity.

20 "A" kids from 10 different towns vs 5 "A" kids from 1 town.


No need to defend...so its 17 A freshmen against 28 A and B Varsity.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/18/13 03:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I beleive the turtles played Sachem in a fall ball games this past Sunday. I was on a near by field, didnt see the score but it didnt look like the Turtles blew them out. Not sure how it ended.
One thing I did notice, they played a varsity team and didnt look small. The kids do have good size at this point.


My kid played next on same field. Score was 7-4 turtles. Why would you think a freshman team should blow out a varsity team?


Turtles will now get a reality check as the enter the world of varsity.


so a team of freshman will get a reality check by playing varsity teams? yep, sounds like a turtle hater


Do realize that alot of these fall "Varsity" teams are playing fresgmen's also. My sons team had more freshmen then "varsity" kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/18/13 03:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I beleive the turtles played Sachem in a fall ball games this past Sunday. I was on a near by field, didnt see the score but it didnt look like the Turtles blew them out. Not sure how it ended.
One thing I did notice, they played a varsity team and didnt look small. The kids do have good size at this point.


My kid played next on same field. Score was 7-4 turtles. Why would you think a freshman team should blow out a varsity team?


Turtles will now get a reality check as the enter the world of varsity.


so a team of freshman will get a reality check by playing varsity teams? yep, sounds like a turtle hater


Sounds like the Terp daddy's should go back to the express thread
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/18/13 03:17 PM
Are you that delusional to believe that Sachem football coaches would let any of their lax players actually play in a meaningless game ? No knock to the Turtles, but I am sure they did not face a varsity team by any stertch of the imagination.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/18/13 03:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The 1st 2016 committed in November 2012.

Each year the date of the 1st commitment has accelerated. When do you expect to see the 1st 2017 commitment?


It's already happened. A 2016 who will PG and graduate 2017. Penn State.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/18/13 04:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are you that delusional to believe that Sachem football coaches would let any of their lax players actually play in a meaningless game ? No knock to the Turtles, but I am sure they did not face a varsity team by any stertch of the imagination.


That's why ANY fall ball is designed to keep the rust off...that's it. Good exposure for freshmen on any team to get some exposure a level of varsity.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/18/13 11:07 PM
I remember a Turtle daddy stating not too long ago that Turtles would "shake up" Li varsity teams. all I have to say is slow down. They couldn't even win a game to a mixed age varsity team together!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 12:56 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I remember a Turtle daddy stating not too long ago that Turtles would "shake up" Li varsity teams. all I have to say is slow down. They couldn't even win a game to a mixed age varsity team together!

I saw the Turtles play last fall against a very average JV team from Westchester/Ct and lose. They have a nice well oiled machine and benefit from being together etc. However, they are not superstars by any stretch of the imagination. They have a very good faceoff guy and control the ball alot as a result and run the same play over and over. Good teams figure it out and they can be beat. It was fun for them while it lasted. We are clearly seeing an exodus of players so obviously they see the handwriting on the wall.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 02:25 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I remember a Turtle daddy stating not too long ago that Turtles would "shake up" Li varsity teams. all I have to say is slow down. They couldn't even win a game to a mixed age varsity team together!


That turtle daddy might be on another team now. Take a look and see.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 02:28 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I remember a Turtle daddy stating not too long ago that Turtles would "shake up" Li varsity teams. all I have to say is slow down. They couldn't even win a game to a mixed age varsity team together!

I saw the Turtles play last fall against a very average JV team from Westchester/Ct and lose. They have a nice well oiled machine and benefit from being together etc. However, they are not superstars by any stretch of the imagination. They have a very good faceoff guy and control the ball alot as a result and run the same play over and over. Good teams figure it out and they can be beat. It was fun for them while it lasted. We are clearly seeing an exodus of players so obviously they see the handwriting on the wall.


Dude...obsessed much? Worry about your own kids team. Inform your coach of this inside information on how to be this team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 11:44 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team 91 tryout numbers for the 2017 team are up 26 kids. Talk about playing time issues


Looks like fl$ has some playing issues going on! 28 kids on the roster. Good thing they made some changes to try and upgrade the team? They also made a coaching change which should help as well. But unfortunately with 28 kids they will have trouble competing with 91, Outlaws and Express teams. 91, Outlaws and Express seem to have most of the top 2017 players at their tryouts. They will be the teams to beat at the age group.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 12:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I remember a Turtle daddy stating not too long ago that Turtles would "shake up" Li varsity teams. all I have to say is slow down. They couldn't even win a game to a mixed age varsity team together!

I saw the Turtles play last fall against a very average JV team from Westchester/Ct and lose. They have a nice well oiled machine and benefit from being together etc. However, they are not superstars by any stretch of the imagination. They have a very good faceoff guy and control the ball alot as a result and run the same play over and over. Good teams figure it out and they can be beat. It was fun for them while it lasted. We are clearly seeing an exodus of players so obviously they see the handwriting on the wall.


Dude...obsessed much? Worry about your own kids team. Inform your coach of this inside information on how to be this team.


Nope, here he is...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 01:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team 91 tryout numbers for the 2017 team are up 26 kids. Talk about playing time issues


Looks like fl$ has some playing issues going on! 28 kids on the roster. Good thing they made some changes to try and upgrade the team? They also made a coaching change which should help as well. But unfortunately with 28 kids they will have trouble competing with 91, Outlaws and Express teams. 91, Outlaws and Express seem to have most of the top 2017 players at their tryouts. They will be the teams to beat at the age group.


You are one odd person trolling the websites of other clubs and counting the number of boys. What's your axe to grind? Did you troll the other teams and find out how many on their team or did you just find that they don't post their rosters? I am an Outlaw parent and there are 26 on the team. I'll give you a few guesses as to why 2017 teams carry more players.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 01:19 PM
Top 5 2017 Teams from Try Outs- Still has to All pan Out

MUCH Closer than you all think. All have Great players
1) Turtles- Until some one beats them consistently
2) 91 Upgraded
3) Express Terps- They always are good
4) Outlaws- going to Surprise- But still not with other 3
5) Every one else Team LI, True Blue, fl$

Do Not Rip- Give your Thoughts
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 01:47 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top 5 2017 Teams from Try Outs- Still has to All pan Out

MUCH Closer than you all think. All have Great players
1) Turtles- Until some one beats them consistently
2) 91 Upgraded
3) Express Terps- They always are good
4) Outlaws- going to Surprise- But still not with other 3
5) Every one else Team LI, True Blue, fl$

Do Not Rip- Give your Thoughts


Who cares?? It's time for high school. Kids are growing up, so should the rest of us.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 03:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team 91 tryout numbers for the 2017 team are up 26 kids. Talk about playing time issues


Looks like fl$ has some playing issues going on! 28 kids on the roster. Good thing they made some changes to try and upgrade the team? They also made a coaching change which should help as well. But unfortunately with 28 kids they will have trouble competing with 91, Outlaws and Express teams. 91, Outlaws and Express seem to have most of the top 2017 players at their tryouts. They will be the teams to beat at the age group.


You are one odd person trolling the websites of other clubs and counting the number of boys. What's your axe to grind? Did you troll the other teams and find out how many on their team or did you just find that they don't post their rosters? I am an Outlaw parent and there are 26 on the team. I'll give you a few guesses as to why 2017 teams carry more players.




I read the top post a few times and I donít see anything odd with it or any axe to grind?? Just stating the facts. Isnít that what this forum is for? To provide information regarding travel LaxÖ.. The 2nd post does seem to be odd and there seems to be an axe to grind. 2nd poster why so angry? The 1st post doesnít say that they trolled the website as you put it. How do you know how this person got this information? Do you not thing that parents talk between organizations. Does anybody thing close to 30 kids on a team is not excessive $$$$$. Are you willing to have your son on a team where he may play a quarter at best when collages are watching? The next 2 years are very important but more important is that the kids have fun and enjoy the experience. Little to no playing time is a sure way to take the joy out of this experience.


Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 04:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top 5 2017 Teams from Try Outs- Still has to All pan Out

MUCH Closer than you all think. All have Great players
1) Turtles- Until some one beats them consistently
2) 91 Upgraded
3) Express Terps- They always are good
4) Outlaws- going to Surprise- But still not with other 3
5) Every one else Team LI, True Blue, fl$

Do Not Rip- Give your Thoughts


Who cares?? It's time for high school. Kids are growing up, so should the rest of us.


Oh brother....this must be the fireballing outlaw dad from previous post. Enjoy the little dream you must have had last night.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 05:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top 5 2017 Teams from Try Outs- Still has to All pan Out

MUCH Closer than you all think. All have Great players
1) Turtles- Until some one beats them consistently
2) 91 Upgraded
3) Express Terps- They always are good
4) Outlaws- going to Surprise- But still not with other 3
5) Every one else Team LI, True Blue, fl$

Do Not Rip- Give your Thoughts


We will never know...

The problem with 9th grade teams is many of the players also play for their JV or Varsity teams. That's why the clubs are carrying 25+ players. They know that several players will miss certain tournaments due to conflicts. Unfortunately, the better the player, the more pressure they get to play with the school team, especially Varsity.

Anytime these teams face each other during the tournament season, they will probably be missing some key players. Therefore on any given Sunday, one team can beat another. And, unfortunately, on Monday morning we will have to read that the "better" team lost because their best players had to play with the school team.

It would be nice to see these teams square off with complete rosters but I don't see it happening.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 05:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team 91 tryout numbers for the 2017 team are up 26 kids. Talk about playing time issues


Looks like fl$ has some playing issues going on! 28 kids on the roster. Good thing they made some changes to try and upgrade the team? They also made a coaching change which should help as well. But unfortunately with 28 kids they will have trouble competing with 91, Outlaws and Express teams. 91, Outlaws and Express seem to have most of the top 2017 players at their tryouts. They will be the teams to beat at the age group.


You are one odd person trolling the websites of other clubs and counting the number of boys. What's your axe to grind? Did you troll the other teams and find out how many on their team or did you just find that they don't post their rosters? I am an Outlaw parent and there are 26 on the team. I'll give you a few guesses as to why 2017 teams carry more players.




I read the top post a few times and I donít see anything odd with it or any axe to grind?? Just stating the facts. Isnít that what this forum is for? To provide information regarding travel LaxÖ.. The 2nd post does seem to be odd and there seems to be an axe to grind. 2nd poster why so angry? The 1st post doesnít say that they trolled the website as you put it. How do you know how this person got this information? Do you not thing that parents talk between organizations. Does anybody thing close to 30 kids on a team is not excessive $$$$$. Are you willing to have your son on a team where he may play a quarter at best when collages are watching? The next 2 years are very important but more important is that the kids have fun and enjoy the experience. Little to no playing time is a sure way to take the joy out of this experience.



Totally agree!

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 05:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team 91 tryout numbers for the 2017 team are up 26 kids. Talk about playing time issues


Looks like fl$ has some playing issues going on! 28 kids on the roster. Good thing they made some changes to try and upgrade the team? They also made a coaching change which should help as well. But unfortunately with 28 kids they will have trouble competing with 91, Outlaws and Express teams. 91, Outlaws and Express seem to have most of the top 2017 players at their tryouts. They will be the teams to beat at the age group.


What up with this outlaw guy.....you can write and hope all you want......not a top team....but keep dreaming if it keeps you warm at night
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 06:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Team 91 tryout numbers for the 2017 team are up 26 kids. Talk about playing time issues



What up with this outlaw guy.....you can write and hope all you want......not a top team....but keep dreaming if it keeps you warm at night


Outlaw guy must not be familiar with the coaches of the 2017 team. Nowhere to be seen at tournaments until 5 minutes before game time....oh wait, if you go to the vendor village you will see them at their tent selling stuff.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 06:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Team 91 tryout numbers for the 2017 team are up 26 kids. Talk about playing time issues



What up with this outlaw guy.....you can write and hope all you want......not a top team....but keep dreaming if it keeps you warm at night


Outlaw guy must not be familiar with the coaches of the 2017 team. Nowhere to be seen at tournaments until 5 minutes before game time....oh wait, if you go to the vendor village you will see them at their tent selling stuff.


I have been very happy with the coaching for 2017 Outlaws in previous years. Have never seen a coach show up 5 minutes before game...
Sounds like sour grapes from a parent of a kid that didn't make the team...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 06:55 PM
People can guess who the top teams are going to be.. but there has been no games to base that on, so don't bash their predictions and bash individuals while hiding behind an anonymous computer screen.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 07:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
both of the turtle kids at 91. watched them at tryout and they were both skilled and smart. tough to replace that talent. great pickup for JM.


Why did the turtles leave?


Can't be playing time, those kids played a ton and they have a small roster which hurt them when it counted. Happens every year, parents looking to position little johnny so he is the man


Yes, but CHS attack already was the man. Maybe he was preventing others from looking good because he stole the spotlight? Tough to figure out? Turtles won't be the same without him


Hard to steal the spot light when you're constantly told to feed the ball to the "favorites" or get pulled.
The team is (was) filled with great players, no doubt; but on every team there are naturally going to be those who display higher skill levels. Good for those who left to seek better coaching and development as young men and players.


This just doesn't add up, but time will certainly tell. And how do they expect it to be any better on a team with 26 players? talk about playing time issues, that's 6A, 6D, 12M, and 2G. Maybe MC terps/ terps black/ blue/ orange wasn't such a bad model.


Hey, big mouth, you might want to retract this. Your numbers were wrong.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 07:29 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
People can guess who the top teams are going to be.. but there has been no games to base that on, so don't bash their predictions and bash individuals while hiding behind an anonymous computer screen.

And here you are talking nonsense from an anonymous screen.....brilliant....just like your nightime dreams about the outlaws.......whatever keeps you happy at night

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 07:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Team 91 tryout numbers for the 2017 team are up 26 kids. Talk about playing time issues



What up with this outlaw guy.....you can write and hope all you want......not a top team....but keep dreaming if it keeps you warm at night


Outlaw guy must not be familiar with the coaches of the 2017 team. Nowhere to be seen at tournaments until 5 minutes before game time....oh wait, if you go to the vendor village you will see them at their tent selling stuff.


I have been very happy with the coaching for 2017 Outlaws in previous years. Have never seen a coach show up 5 minutes before game...
Sounds like sour grapes from a parent of a kid that didn't make the team...


Nope - made the team. Were you are UMASS? NXT?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 08:06 PM
UMASS, NXT....low level tournaments.....We would not be there
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 08:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
UMASS, NXT....low level tournaments.....We would not be there


NXT is a very well run and competitive tournament!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 09:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
UMASS, NXT....low level tournaments.....We would not be there


NXT isn't a low level tournament..
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/19/13 11:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top 5 2017 Teams from Try Outs- Still has to All pan Out

MUCH Closer than you all think. All have Great players
1) Turtles- Until some one beats them consistently
2) 91 Upgraded
3) Express Terps- They always are good
4) Outlaws- going to Surprise- But still not with other 3
5) Every one else Team LI, True Blue, fl$

Do Not Rip- Give your Thoughts


Who cares?? It's time for high school. Kids are growing up, so should the rest of us.


Best post ever on 2017. Get a grip people, the college coaches will start watching this summer. They could care less what the scores of the games are....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/20/13 01:48 AM
For the record...91 has 24 players posted
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/20/13 02:24 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
UMASS, NXT....low level tournaments.....We would not be there


What's the matter were you not invited? NXT sponsors many premier recruting showcases and Tourneys. Top notch organization.
I guess you're just too cool for that......pathetic
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/20/13 02:50 AM
Could not agree more. Scores are meaningless. You guys don't get it. "Oh we are not going to recruit that stud because his team lost too many games". Just listen to this nonsense. Really now. Let the kids have fun and enjoy playing. High school lacrosse is stressful and intense enough especially if that program is a powerhouse. Club ball doesnt need be win at all cost. The crazy dads care much more about wins and loses than the Kids. When it comes to club ball it doesn't matter for recruiting how many games you win. But you guys just go on and on about meaningless club records.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/20/13 05:28 AM
1- True Blue- extremely tough last year, great core plus upgraded from try outs
2- 91- Mule is always upgrading
3-outlaws - combined with gladiators will help their lack luster offense
4-turtles - lost their best players plus competition simply improved
5-fl$- lots of talent at the tryout
6- terps - may surprise either way
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/20/13 11:54 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
1- True Blue- extremely tough last year, great core plus upgraded from try outs
2- 91- Mule is always upgrading
3-outlaws - combined with gladiators will help their lack luster offense
4-turtles - lost their best players plus competition simply improved
5-fl$- lots of talent at the tryout
6- terps - may surprise either way


91 one guy here....gotta give props to the talent and strength of true blue. If they've improved, then it should be a nice competition with 91. Both teams have many good players.
Turtles are wounded but will recover; but will be more appropriately playing correct age level ball.
fl$?
Terps...50/50 either way...comes down to the kids who will have big hearts and ability despite inept coaching
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/20/13 12:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
1- True Blue- extremely tough last year, great core plus upgraded from try outs
2- 91- Mule is always upgrading
3-outlaws - combined with gladiators will help their lack luster offense
4-turtles - lost their best players plus competition simply improved
5-fl$- lots of talent at the tryout
6- terps - may surprise either way




Some of the top kids at the fl$ tryouts went to 91. fl$ has only a few top players from there last year team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/20/13 12:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
1- True Blue- extremely tough last year, great core plus upgraded from try outs
2- 91- Mule is always upgrading
3-outlaws - combined with gladiators will help their lack luster offense
4-turtles - lost their best players plus competition simply improved
5-fl$- lots of talent at the tryout
6- terps - may surprise either way


91 one guy here....gotta give props to the talent and strength of true blue. If they've improved, then it should be a nice competition with 91. Both teams have many good players.
Turtles are wounded but will recover; but will be more appropriately playing correct age level ball.
fl$?
Terps...50/50 either way...comes down to the kids who will have big hearts and ability despite inept coaching




91 guy, didn't Terps beat 91 last year? They also beat True Blue when it counted. TB is a very tought team! MC is one of the best coaches out there? Not a very well thought out post.






Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/20/13 12:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
1- True Blue- extremely tough last year, great core plus upgraded from try outs
2- 91- Mule is always upgrading
3-outlaws - combined with gladiators will help their lack luster offense
4-turtles - lost their best players plus competition simply improved
5-fl$- lots of talent at the tryout
6- terps - may surprise either way


91 one guy here....gotta give props to the talent and strength of true blue. If they've improved, then it should be a nice competition with 91. Both teams have many good players.
Turtles are wounded but will recover; but will be more appropriately playing correct age level ball.
fl$?
Terps...50/50 either way...comes down to the kids who will have big hearts and ability despite inept coaching





91 guy, You sound like a guy who was cut by the Terps??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/20/13 12:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
1- True Blue- extremely tough last year, great core plus upgraded from try outs
2- 91- Mule is always upgrading
3-outlaws - combined with gladiators will help their lack luster offense
4-turtles - lost their best players plus competition simply improved
5-fl$- lots of talent at the tryout
6- terps - may surprise either way


I would have to put Turtles at 6, fl$ had a strong tryout and terps will be better. turtles lost their best kid, he was either scoring or had the assist on every goal. pretty sure he took most face off's, and played goalie.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/20/13 12:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Could not agree more. Scores are meaningless. You guys don't get it. "Oh we are not going to recruit that stud because his team lost too many games". Just listen to this nonsense. Really now. Let the kids have fun and enjoy playing. High school lacrosse is stressful and intense enough especially if that program is a powerhouse. Club ball doesnt need be win at all cost. The crazy dads care much more about wins and loses than the Kids. When it comes to club ball it doesn't matter for recruiting how many games you win. But you guys just go on and on about meaningless club records.


In general I agree. But would suggest that a team (or perhaps a club) with a winning history is going to be invited to some of the better tournaments. Team Podunk with a losing record is never going to make it to the Crabfeast, but Team Podunk that has won several (respectable) tournaments over the course of a year or two may just get that invitation. So I would submit that winning games is important. I would be interested to hear what other people think on this.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/20/13 12:54 PM
This is all fun to talk about but none of this matters anymore except to the pathetic dads living vicariously through their children! Its all about high school ball now from this moment forward. You cant win a state championship playing for True Blue or 91. College coaches dont care about who wins the LI Lax fest.Club lax is great if you have a good coach and your director has college contacts, but for most kids high school lax is where they will shine and get recruited to the school they want. High school lax is where they will make friendships and bonds that will last the rest of their lives. So sit back, relax and enjoy the ride and stop worrying about which 14 yr old lacrosse team is better.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/20/13 01:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
1- True Blue- extremely tough last year, great core plus upgraded from try outs
2- 91- Mule is always upgrading
3-outlaws - combined with gladiators will help their lack luster offense
4-turtles - lost their best players plus competition simply improved
5-fl$- lots of talent at the tryout
6- terps - may surprise either way


91 one guy here....gotta give props to the talent and strength of true blue. If they've improved, then it should be a nice competition with 91. Both teams have many good players.
Turtles are wounded but will recover; but will be more appropriately playing correct age level ball.
fl$?
Terps...50/50 either way...comes down to the kids who will have big hearts and ability despite inept coaching




91 guy, didn't Terps beat 91 last year? They also beat True Blue when it counted. TB is a very tought team! MC is one of the best coaches out there? Not a very well thought out post.

No, the Terps didn't beat 91 last year






Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/20/13 02:10 PM
College coaches may not care who wins LI Laxfest, but you can be sure they do not care who wins the state championship either. The top colleges have the 2016 class nearly classes nearly full and are working actively on 2017s. All this is before most boys have even stepped on the field for a JV game. Club lax, individual showcases and who you are connected to (before HS) are all way more important than HS lacrosse when it comes to recruiting.

Regarding the friendships point, you are 100% accurate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is all fun to talk about but none of this matters anymore except to the pathetic dads living vicariously through their children! Its all about high school ball now from this moment forward. You cant win a state championship playing for True Blue or 91. College coaches dont care about who wins the LI Lax fest.Club lax is great if you have a good coach and your director has college contacts, but for most kids high school lax is where they will shine and get recruited to the school they want. High school lax is where they will make friendships and bonds that will last the rest of their lives. So sit back, relax and enjoy the ride and stop worrying about which 14 yr old lacrosse team is better.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/20/13 02:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
1- True Blue- extremely tough last year, great core plus upgraded from try outs
2- 91- Mule is always upgrading
3-outlaws - combined with gladiators will help their lack luster offense
4-turtles - lost their best players plus competition simply improved
5-fl$- lots of talent at the tryout
6- terps - may surprise either way


91 one guy here....gotta give props to the talent and strength of true blue. If they've improved, then it should be a nice competition with 91. Both teams have many good players.
Turtles are wounded but will recover; but will be more appropriately playing correct age level ball.
fl$?
Terps...50/50 either way...comes down to the kids who will have big hearts and ability despite inept coaching




91 guy, didn't Terps beat 91 last year? They also beat True Blue when it counted. TB is a very tought team! MC is one of the best coaches out there? Not a very well thought out post.

Terps black did not play 91 at all. I gave true blu props. They split two games. TB lacked depth and kids got tired. Else they would have won two games over terps .
MC is a good coach. Not a motivator, tho. Intimidator? Yes. Motivator? No.





Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/20/13 03:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
College coaches may not care who wins LI Laxfest, but you can be sure they do not care who wins the state championship either. The top colleges have the 2016 class nearly classes nearly full and are working actively on 2017s. All this is before most boys have even stepped on the field for a JV game. Club lax, individual showcases and who you are connected to (before HS) are all way more important than HS lacrosse when it comes to recruiting.

Regarding the friendships point, you are 100% accurate

Good retort my friend, however I would say to you regarding the 2016 and 2017 commits, are we 100 percent sure that this is a good practice and is whats best for the kids? Take a look at the strong Long Island programs, West Islip, Ward Melville, Garden City, Manhasset, etc. As a general rule those programs have kids committing going into their junior years. I know my Head Varsity coach will not recommend a kid unless hes played and started at least one year at the Varsity level. I for one know my son is in no way ready to commit to a college in his freshman year of high school. THis early recruiting thing has really gotten out of control and it has made parent lose perspective in regards to their children and their capabilities. I would also submit to you that the majority of 2016 commits are kids that were either held back or started school late, so lets keep that in mind too. Youll know when your son is ready, dont be in such a rush.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is all fun to talk about but none of this matters anymore except to the pathetic dads living vicariously through their children! Its all about high school ball now from this moment forward. You cant win a state championship playing for True Blue or 91. College coaches dont care about who wins the LI Lax fest.Club lax is great if you have a good coach and your director has college contacts, but for most kids high school lax is where they will shine and get recruited to the school they want. High school lax is where they will make friendships and bonds that will last the rest of their lives. So sit back, relax and enjoy the ride and stop worrying about which 14 yr old lacrosse team is better.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/20/13 03:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
College coaches may not care who wins LI Laxfest, but you can be sure they do not care who wins the state championship either. The top colleges have the 2016 class nearly classes nearly full and are working actively on 2017s. All this is before most boys have even stepped on the field for a JV game. Club lax, individual showcases and who you are connected to (before HS) are all way more important than HS lacrosse when it comes to recruiting.

Regarding the friendships point, you are 100% accurate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is all fun to talk about but none of this matters anymore except to the pathetic dads living vicariously through their children! Its all about high school ball now from this moment forward. You cant win a state championship playing for True Blue or 91. College coaches dont care about who wins the LI Lax fest.Club lax is great if you have a good coach and your director has college contacts, but for most kids high school lax is where they will shine and get recruited to the school they want. High school lax is where they will make friendships and bonds that will last the rest of their lives. So sit back, relax and enjoy the ride and stop worrying about which 14 yr old lacrosse team is better.


What about the friendships made on a travel team? It's great for these kids to have different friends from different towns. Its all good.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/20/13 03:15 PM
College coaches may not care who wins LI Laxfest, but you can be sure they do not care who wins the state championship either. The top colleges have the 2016 class nearly classes nearly full and are working actively on 2017s. All this is before most boys have even stepped on the field for a JV game. Club lax, individual showcases and who you are connected to (before HS) are all way more important than HS lacrosse when it comes to recruiting.

Regarding the friendships point, you are 100% accurate.

Every been to a Suffolk County or Nassau County championship lacrosse game? Every D1 coach imaginable in attendance. High school lax on Long Island is the best in the country and D1 coaches know it. Club lax and showcases are great but D1 coaches wanna see how a player performs against big competition in a big game.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/20/13 03:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
College coaches may not care who wins LI Laxfest, but you can be sure they do not care who wins the state championship either. The top colleges have the 2016 class nearly classes nearly full and are working actively on 2017s. All this is before most boys have even stepped on the field for a JV game. Club lax, individual showcases and who you are connected to (before HS) are all way more important than HS lacrosse when it comes to recruiting.

Regarding the friendships point, you are 100% accurate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is all fun to talk about but none of this matters anymore except to the pathetic dads living vicariously through their children! Its all about high school ball now from this moment forward. You cant win a state championship playing for True Blue or 91. College coaches dont care about who wins the LI Lax fest.Club lax is great if you have a good coach and your director has college contacts, but for most kids high school lax is where they will shine and get recruited to the school they want. High school lax is where they will make friendships and bonds that will last the rest of their lives. So sit back, relax and enjoy the ride and stop worrying about which 14 yr old lacrosse team is better.


What about the friendships made on a travel team? It's great for these kids to have different friends from different towns. Its all good.


My son has played travel lax for the last 6 years and has made several very good friends from other towns and I think that is a great thing, however I dont think it can compare to playing and hanging out with the same kids all through high school and beyond. The "Band of Brothers" mentality is alive and well and is a beautiful thing to watch when you see it happen.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/20/13 03:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
1- True Blue- extremely tough last year, great core plus upgraded from try outs
2- 91- Mule is always upgrading
3-outlaws - combined with gladiators will help their lack luster offense
4-turtles - lost their best players plus competition simply improved
5-fl$- lots of talent at the tryout
6- terps - may surprise either way


91 one guy here....gotta give props to the talent and strength of true blue. If they've improved, then it should be a nice competition with 91. Both teams have many good players.
Turtles are wounded but will recover; but will be more appropriately playing correct age level ball.
fl$?
Terps...50/50 either way...comes down to the kids who will have big hearts and ability despite inept coaching




91 guy, didn't Terps beat 91 last year? They also beat True Blue when it counted. TB is a very tought team! MC is one of the best coaches out there? Not a very well thought out post.

No, the Terps didn't beat 91 last year


You are correct. 91 never made it far enought to play them. TB knocked them out before they could meet.



Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/20/13 03:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
1- True Blue- extremely tough last year, great core plus upgraded from try outs
2- 91- Mule is always upgrading
3-outlaws - combined with gladiators will help their lack luster offense
4-turtles - lost their best players plus competition simply improved
5-fl$- lots of talent at the tryout
6- terps - may surprise either way


91 one guy here....gotta give props to the talent and strength of true blue. If they've improved, then it should be a nice competition with 91. Both teams have many good players.
Turtles are wounded but will recover; but will be more appropriately playing correct age level ball.
fl$?
Terps...50/50 either way...comes down to the kids who will have big hearts and ability despite inept coaching




91 guy, didn't Terps beat 91 last year? They also beat True Blue when it counted. TB is a very tought team! MC is one of the best coaches out there? Not a very well thought out post.

Terps black did not play 91 at all. I gave true blu props. They split two games. TB lacked depth and kids got tired. Else they would have won two games over terps .
MC is a good coach. Not a motivator, tho. Intimidator? Yes. Motivator? No.


I disagree. He has been very good for my son. You shouldn't make blanket statements about people just because it didn't work for you!! Different strokes for different folks.


Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/20/13 04:29 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
College coaches may not care who wins LI Laxfest, but you can be sure they do not care who wins the state championship either. The top colleges have the 2016 class nearly classes nearly full and are working actively on 2017s. All this is before most boys have even stepped on the field for a JV game. Club lax, individual showcases and who you are connected to (before HS) are all way more important than HS lacrosse when it comes to recruiting.

Regarding the friendships point, you are 100% accurate.

Every been to a Suffolk County or Nassau County championship lacrosse game? Every D1 coach imaginable in attendance. High school lax on Long Island is the best in the country and D1 coaches know it. Club lax and showcases are great but D1 coaches wanna see how a player performs against big competition in a big game.


All of this is what make Long Island the best place to find lax players. No one point is stronger then the other a combined
effort from travel and HS experiences. Can't we all just get along.


Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/20/13 04:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
1- True Blue- extremely tough last year, great core plus upgraded from try outs
2- 91- Mule is always upgrading
3-outlaws - combined with gladiators will help their lack luster offense
4-turtles - lost their best players plus competition simply improved
5-fl$- lots of talent at the tryout
6- terps - may surprise either way


91 one guy here....gotta give props to the talent and strength of true blue. If they've improved, then it should be a nice competition with 91. Both teams have many good players.
Turtles are wounded but will recover; but will be more appropriately playing correct age level ball.
fl$?
Terps...50/50 either way...comes down to the kids who will have big hearts and ability despite inept coaching




91 guy, didn't Terps beat 91 last year? They also beat True Blue when it counted. TB is a very tought team! MC is one of the best coaches out there? Not a very well thought out post.

Terps black did not play 91 at all. I gave true blu props. They split two games. TB lacked depth and kids got tired. Else they would have won two games over terps .
MC is a good coach. Not a motivator, tho. Intimidator? Yes. Motivator? No.


I disagree. He has been very good for my son. You shouldn't make blanket statements about people just because it didn't work for you!! Different strokes for different folks.




strokes is the right word...he def strokes people out of their $$ and gives little in return.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/20/13 04:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
1- True Blue- extremely tough last year, great core plus upgraded from try outs
2- 91- Mule is always upgrading
3-outlaws - combined with gladiators will help their lack luster offense
4-turtles - lost their best players plus competition simply improved
5-fl$- lots of talent at the tryout
6- terps - may surprise either way


91 one guy here....gotta give props to the talent and strength of true blue. If they've improved, then it should be a nice competition with 91. Both teams have many good players.
Turtles are wounded but will recover; but will be more appropriately playing correct age level ball.
fl$?
Terps...50/50 either way...comes down to the kids who will have big hearts and ability despite inept coaching




91 guy, didn't Terps beat 91 last year? They also beat True Blue when it counted. TB is a very tought team! MC is one of the best coaches out there? Not a very well thought out post.

Terps black did not play 91 at all. I gave true blu props. They split two games. TB lacked depth and kids got tired. Else they would have won two games over terps .
MC is a good coach. Not a motivator, tho. Intimidator? Yes. Motivator? No.


I disagree. He has been very good for my son. You shouldn't make blanket statements about people just because it didn't work for you!! Different strokes for different folks.




strokes is the right word...he def strokes people out of their $$ and gives little in return.




Sounds like someone didn't make the team? Life is very short to be so bitter. good luck!!


Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/20/13 05:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
1- True Blue- extremely tough last year, great core plus upgraded from try outs
2- 91- Mule is always upgrading
3-outlaws - combined with gladiators will help their lack luster offense
4-turtles - lost their best players plus competition simply improved
5-fl$- lots of talent at the tryout
6- terps - may surprise either way


91 one guy here....gotta give props to the talent and strength of true blue. If they've improved, then it should be a nice competition with 91. Both teams have many good players.
Turtles are wounded but will recover; but will be more appropriately playing correct age level ball.
fl$?
Terps...50/50 either way...comes down to the kids who will have big hearts and ability despite inept coaching




91 guy, didn't Terps beat 91 last year? They also beat True Blue when it counted. TB is a very tought team! MC is one of the best coaches out there? Not a very well thought out post.

No, the Terps didn't beat 91 last year


You are correct. 91 never made it far enought to play them. TB knocked them out before they could meet.





Typical Terps daddy comment...91 did get beat by TB. They never played the Terps , yet you anointed the Terps the next best thing to...oh yeah, the Turtles, although they never played any of the other "top LI" teams after March. You are first to point Down at others yet have a hard time when it goes the other way. You seem to be a very angry Express parent, perhaps you should find a new team for your son?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/21/13 11:11 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
1- True Blue- extremely tough last year, great core plus upgraded from try outs
2- 91- Mule is always upgrading
3-outlaws - combined with gladiators will help their lack luster offense
4-turtles - lost their best players plus competition simply improved
5-fl$- lots of talent at the tryout
6- terps - may surprise either way


91 one guy here....gotta give props to the talent and strength of true blue. If they've improved, then it should be a nice competition with 91. Both teams have many good players.
Turtles are wounded but will recover; but will be more appropriately playing correct age level ball.
fl$?
Terps...50/50 either way...comes down to the kids who will have big hearts and ability despite inept coaching




91 guy, didn't Terps beat 91 last year? They also beat True Blue when it counted. TB is a very tought team! MC is one of the best coaches out there? Not a very well thought out post.

No, the Terps didn't beat 91 last year


You are correct. 91 never made it far enought to play them. TB knocked them out before they could meet.





Typical Terps daddy comment...91 did get beat by TB. They never played the Terps , yet you anointed the Terps the next best thing to...oh yeah, the Turtles, although they never played any of the other "top LI" teams after March. You are first to point Down at others yet have a hard time when it goes the other way. You seem to be a very angry Express parent, perhaps you should find a new team for your son?




91 dad from your post's you are the angry one. You had a bad experince with Express and can't let it go. Life is to short. let it go. There are plenty of people who like the Express and feel it is best for the child.






Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/21/13 04:56 PM
I agree... 27-28 man Roster??

What parent wants to go thru the time and expense of traveling to 12 hours there n back to hunts valley, Maryland for a summer weekend in 100 degree heat to watch their son play 2-3 minutes per Quarter?

This is an alarming trend, and MUST be disclosed by the thoughtless (and greedy) lax clubs to the parents AND players PRIOR to tryouts, and certainly, Prior to asking for a players commitment!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/21/13 05:25 PM
colleges recruiting from High School teams???

You are miss informed! College Coaches now (not 20years ago) can cover more recruiting ground in a single quality lax tournament in one weekend, than a entire season high school games...

i'll save u the standard rebuttal... ok, you may see college scouts at an Anthony's/Chaminade or Manhassett/GC game when college lax season has ended
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/21/13 07:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree... 27-28 man Roster??

What parent wants to go thru the time and expense of traveling to 12 hours there n back to hunts valley, Maryland for a summer weekend in 100 degree heat to watch their son play 2-3 minutes per Quarter?

This is an alarming trend, and MUST be disclosed by the thoughtless (and greedy) lax clubs to the parents AND players PRIOR to tryouts, and certainly, Prior to asking for a players commitment!!


not just the lax clubs... there are Town/HS summer teams have 28 , 29 players on the roster.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/21/13 07:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree... 27-28 man Roster??

What parent wants to go thru the time and expense of traveling to 12 hours there n back to hunts valley, Maryland for a summer weekend in 100 degree heat to watch their son play 2-3 minutes per Quarter?

This is an alarming trend, and MUST be disclosed by the thoughtless (and greedy) lax clubs to the parents AND players PRIOR to tryouts, and certainly, Prior to asking for a players commitment!!



I know the Outlaws have around 28 but will be doing 8+ tourneys in summer and only around 22 will go to each tournament.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/21/13 08:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree... 27-28 man Roster??

What parent wants to go thru the time and expense of traveling to 12 hours there n back to hunts valley, Maryland for a summer weekend in 100 degree heat to watch their son play 2-3 minutes per Quarter?

This is an alarming trend, and MUST be disclosed by the thoughtless (and greedy) lax clubs to the parents AND players PRIOR to tryouts, and certainly, Prior to asking for a players commitment!!


6 kids stay home? Lol. That should work well!!


I know the Outlaws have around 28 but will be doing 8+ tourneys in summer and only around 22 will go to each tournament.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/21/13 09:44 PM
Outlaws have 28 but will bring 22......Hmmmm..sounds like another organization that caught all sorts of flack for doing the same thing........(hint: Terps Black)

How did that work?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/21/13 11:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Outlaws have 28 but will bring 22......Hmmmm..sounds like another organization that caught all sorts of flack for doing the same thing........(hint: Terps Black)

How did that work?


Hopefully it will be run a little differently. Equal opportunity amd exposure... If run correctly it is the right thing.

Kids will have commitments in high school and recruiting camps etc.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/21/13 11:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Outlaws have 28 but will bring 22......Hmmmm..sounds like another organization that caught all sorts of flack for doing the same thing........(hint: Terps Black)

How did that work?


Answer: it did not work. At all. Period. End of THAT discussion.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/21/13 11:50 PM

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91 dad from your post's you are the angry one. You had a bad experince with Express and can't let it go. Life is to short. let it go. There are plenty of people who like the Express and feel it is best for the child.






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Why is it that all express parents think everyone is angry? Sometimes things just aren't a good fit for numerous reasons. But you all seem bent on saying everyone else is angry. Perhaps your impressions are sublimated or rather suppressed hostilities over the fact that you pay so much for so little. Didja really feel your kid got the best he deserved and that you really got your money's worth? Really? C'mon...be honest with yourselves. There were whole sidelines of perturbed parents at each and every event. That is undeniable.

If you're happy just having your kid involved in a sport and not really concerned over the long term bigger picture; that's fine. But Long Island is chocka block full of great talent and it needs to be nurtured properly. Coached properly.
We will have to agree to disagree. I maintain that express has become nothing more than a glorified money grab and nothing more.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/22/13 12:18 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
College coaches may not care who wins LI Laxfest, but you can be sure they do not care who wins the state championship either. The top colleges have the 2016 class nearly classes nearly full and are working actively on 2017s. All this is before most boys have even stepped on the field for a JV game. Club lax, individual showcases and who you are connected to (before HS) are all way more important than HS lacrosse when it comes to recruiting.

Regarding the friendships point, you are 100% accurate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is all fun to talk about but none of this matters anymore except to the pathetic dads living vicariously through their children! Its all about high school ball now from this moment forward. You cant win a state championship playing for True Blue or 91. College coaches dont care about who wins the LI Lax fest.Club lax is great if you have a good coach and your director has college contacts, but for most kids high school lax is where they will shine and get recruited to the school they want. High school lax is where they will make friendships and bonds that will last the rest of their lives. So sit back, relax and enjoy the ride and stop worrying about which 14 yr old lacrosse team is better.


What about the friendships made on a travel team? It's great for these kids to have different friends from different towns. Its all good.


My son has played travel lax for the last 6 years and has made several very good friends from other towns and I think that is a great thing, however I dont think it can compare to playing and hanging out with the same kids all through high school and beyond. The "Band of Brothers" mentality is alive and well and is a beautiful thing to watch when you see it happen.


N
I'm not saying you should do one or the other, they should be able to do both
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/22/13 01:33 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Outlaws have 28 but will bring 22......Hmmmm..sounds like another organization that caught all sorts of flack for doing the same thing........(hint: Terps Black)

How did that work?


Answer: it did not work. At all. Period. End of THAT discussion.
One suggestion is to post rosters at selection. We would be surprised, disgusted at some, while impressed regarding other clubs. Revolving door rosters must go. This is a challenge that select few would welcome. My boys club never borrowed, or left home a single player, not one single time. Not from selection, in fall tourneys, during winter league, nor in spring and certainly summer tourneys. We went out of state SEVERAL times, short a few on many occasions. We may all bicker and name call now, but this team never once made exception. THAT is something that very few can claim. They may CLAIM it, but enough fans, friends, former teammates, and folks-in-the-know are out there to put the fibs to rest. Thanks for your time
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/22/13 01:41 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
College coaches may not care who wins LI Laxfest, but you can be sure they do not care who wins the state championship either. The top colleges have the 2016 class nearly classes nearly full and are working actively on 2017s. All this is before most boys have even stepped on the field for a JV game. Club lax, individual showcases and who you are connected to (before HS) are all way more important than HS lacrosse when it comes to recruiting.

Regarding the friendships point, you are 100% accurate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is all fun to talk about but none of this matters anymore except to the pathetic dads living vicariously through their children! Its all about high school ball now from this moment forward. You cant win a state championship playing for True Blue or 91. College coaches dont care about who wins the LI Lax fest.Club lax is great if you have a good coach and your director has college contacts, but for most kids high school lax is where they will shine and get recruited to the school they want. High school lax is where they will make friendships and bonds that will last the rest of their lives. So sit back, relax and enjoy the ride and stop worrying about which 14 yr old lacrosse team is better.
My friend, you make a couple of decent points, mostly a nice warm closing statement. However, the opposite is true regarding college coaches watching the lax fest results. I make my living in the athletics department at a NY college. This depends upon the actual high school referred to. The blanket statement is just too vague and inaccurate. Sorry.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/22/13 02:56 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
College coaches may not care who wins LI Laxfest, but you can be sure they do not care who wins the state championship either. The top colleges have the 2016 class nearly classes nearly full and are working actively on 2017s. All this is before most boys have even stepped on the field for a JV game. Club lax, individual showcases and who you are connected to (before HS) are all way more important than HS lacrosse when it comes to recruiting.

Regarding the friendships point, you are 100% accurate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is all fun to talk about but none of this matters anymore except to the pathetic dads living vicariously through their children! Its all about high school ball now from this moment forward. You cant win a state championship playing for True Blue or 91. College coaches dont care about who wins the LI Lax fest.Club lax is great if you have a good coach and your director has college contacts, but for most kids high school lax is where they will shine and get recruited to the school they want. High school lax is where they will make friendships and bonds that will last the rest of their lives. So sit back, relax and enjoy the ride and stop worrying about which 14 yr old lacrosse team is better.
My friend, you make a couple of decent points, mostly a nice warm closing statement. However, the opposite is true regarding college coaches watching the lax fest results. I make my living in the athletics department at a NY college. This depends upon the actual high school referred to. The blanket statement is just too vague and inaccurate. Sorry.


Must disagree! I know several D1 lax coaches personally, they look for talent and teamwork, they could care less who wins. They tell me it's about finding a kid who fits into their program. They are not recruiting the whole team! In fact, it is rare that you see more than two kids from a program going to the same school. I'm sorry too
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/22/13 12:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous





91 dad from your post's you are the angry one. You had a bad experince with Express and can't let it go. Life is to short. let it go. There are plenty of people who like the Express and feel it is best for the child.






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Why is it that all express parents think everyone is angry? Sometimes things just aren't a good fit for numerous reasons. But you all seem bent on saying everyone else is angry. Perhaps your impressions are sublimated or rather suppressed hostilities over the fact that you pay so much for so little. Didja really feel your kid got the best he deserved and that you really got your money's worth? Really? C'mon...be honest with yourselves. There were whole sidelines of perturbed parents at each and every event. That is undeniable.

If you're happy just having your kid involved in a sport and not really concerned over the long term bigger picture; that's fine. But Long Island is chocka block full of great talent and it needs to be nurtured properly. Coached properly.
We will have to agree to disagree. I maintain that express has become nothing more than a glorified money grab and nothing more. [/quote]



Have you seen anyone about this obsession with Express? You need some help. People have a choice and you need to back off. All Express parents this and all Express parents that. You got it all figure out. Wow

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/22/13 06:01 PM
Looks like the Express are now the team to beat. They survived the raiding for the most part and kept their best kids together and have a smaller more cohesive team. Team chemistry was building at the end of the year and the momentum will continue. Lots of other very good teams on the Island though, and in any given game any team can win.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/22/13 09:28 PM
Turtles still beat the Terps black by 10. Terps have not upgraded at all.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/22/13 10:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Turtles still beat the Terps black by 10. Terps have not upgraded at all.


Hilarious!! Express vs Express! This post was probably written by a parent of a mediocre Turtle, one of those turtles you see trying to cross the road and feel so bad for that you stop your car to help it before it becomes roadkill.
Eventually survival of the fittest will prevail and after a few of the very good players on your team commit to schools, you will be scratching your head, wondering why you bought into the hype. Sad for you.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/23/13 12:23 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Turtles still beat the Terps black by 10. Terps have not upgraded at all.


Hilarious!! Express vs Express! This post was probably written by a parent of a mediocre Turtle, one of those turtles you see trying to cross the road and feel so bad for that you stop your car to help it before it becomes roadkill.
Eventually survival of the fittest will prevail and after a few of the very good players on your team commit to schools, you will be scratching your head, wondering why you bought into the hype. Sad for you.


and this post sounds like it was written from an x-turtle/ x-terps and i'm sure future x-91 parent
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/23/13 12:50 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looks like the Express are now the team to beat. They survived the raiding for the most part and kept their best kids together and have a smaller more cohesive team. Team chemistry was building at the end of the year and the momentum will continue. Lots of other very good teams on the Island though, and in any given game any team can win.



Lots of talent at the Express tryout today. More then last week. Lots of lax played. Now we will see how it works out?????
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/23/13 01:58 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Turtles still beat the Terps black by 10. Terps have not upgraded at all.


You would win by 10 goals, is that ONE GOAL per turtle player?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/23/13 02:24 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Turtles still beat the Terps black by 10. Terps have not upgraded at all.


Saw it last Sunday and saw it today, no difference between turtle top players compared to those terp black top players. Very easy to see.

Most likely no need to upgrade, terps black team didn't have players running away from it from what I understand. I heard they didn't lose one starter, didn't the turtles lose two or three starters?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/23/13 02:29 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looks like the Express are now the team to beat. They survived the raiding for the most part and kept their best kids together and have a smaller more cohesive team. Team chemistry was building at the end of the year and the momentum will continue. Lots of other very good teams on the Island though, and in any given game any team can win.


"team to beat" & "survived the raiding"? Amazing how you ppl think
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/23/13 02:59 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Turtles still beat the Terps black by 10. Terps have not upgraded at all.



ummmm. ok. will that now make the little people and their insignificant comments go away???
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/23/13 03:10 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Turtles still beat the Terps black by 10. Terps have not upgraded at all.


Hilarious!! Express vs Express! This post was probably written by a parent of a mediocre Turtle, one of those turtles you see trying to cross the road and feel so bad for that you stop your car to help it before it becomes roadkill.
Eventually survival of the fittest will prevail and after a few of the very good players on your team commit to schools, you will be scratching your head, wondering why you bought into the hype. Sad for you.


and this post sounds like it was written from an x-turtle/ x-terps and i'm sure future x-91 parent



I can't believe adults are writing these comments! You should be embarrassed!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/23/13 03:37 AM
One particular scene at the Tryouts today was very instructive. Saw one of the Turtle "stars" crying on the sideline complaining the boys from Terps played too tough defense. I could not believe what I was seeing. On a certain level I felt bad for the kid. Reality sucks and no one wants to see something like that for a young kid. But the Turtle bubble of invincibility is slowly bursting.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/23/13 03:43 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Turtles still beat the Terps black by 10. Terps have not upgraded at all.


Hilarious!! Express vs Express! This post was probably written by a parent of a mediocre Turtle, one of those turtles you see trying to cross the road and feel so bad for that you stop your car to help it before it becomes roadkill.
Eventually survival of the fittest will prevail and after a few of the very good players on your team commit to schools, you will be scratching your head, wondering why you bought into the hype. Sad for you.


and this post sounds like it was written from an x-turtle/ x-terps and i'm sure future x-91 parent


Def not written by a double X player parent. This has to be a disgruntled still angry express terps parent. Turtles are a great team and have great players any parents. Undeniably they will garner the haters who feel that their kid shoulda woulda coulda been a turtle. X players aren't haters...prob just looking for the best fit. That being said; the bar set so high by the turtles is now within reach of a team or two as they strive to be as good as the turtles. It is safe to say that the turtles inspired many kids to try and be as good if not better.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/23/13 03:49 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Turtles still beat the Terps black by 10. Terps have not upgraded at all.


You would win by 10 goals, is that ONE GOAL per turtle player?


Not only did the terps not upgrade, they gave up at least one Terp black to the turtles
(What is this amphibian obsession all about, anyway :-)

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/23/13 11:09 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Turtles still beat the Terps black by 10. Terps have not upgraded at all.


You would win by 10 goals, is that ONE GOAL per turtle player?



Arenít the Turtles recruiting some Terps?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/23/13 11:54 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Turtles still beat the Terps black by 10. Terps have not upgraded at all.


Hilarious!! Express vs Express! This post was probably written by a parent of a mediocre Turtle, one of those turtles you see trying to cross the road and feel so bad for that you stop your car to help it before it becomes roadkill.
Eventually survival of the fittest will prevail and after a few of the very good players on your team commit to schools, you will be scratching your head, wondering why you bought into the hype. Sad for you.


Who's kidding who...the Turtles are associated with the Express in name only and do not operate anything like the other Express teams when it comes to putting together an on-field product. They operate completely unto themselves - no Express meetings, tryouts etc. Any connection is all back office stuff.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/23/13 01:00 PM
I cannot believe you people have kids in HIGH SCHOOL! Time to move on people, nooone cares about the Turtles or Terps Purple or whatever they are calling themselves these days. Its unreal the stuff that is posted on this site.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/23/13 02:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Turtles still beat the Terps black by 10. Terps have not upgraded at all.


Hilarious!! Express vs Express! This post was probably written by a parent of a mediocre Turtle, one of those turtles you see trying to cross the road and feel so bad for that you stop your car to help it before it becomes roadkill.
Eventually survival of the fittest will prevail and after a few of the very good players on your team commit to schools, you will be scratching your head, wondering why you bought into the hype. Sad for you.


Who's kidding who...the Turtles are associated with the Express in name only and do not operate anything like the other Express teams when it comes to putting together an on-field product. They operate completely unto themselves - no Express meetings, tryouts etc. Any connection is all back office stuff.




There were 15 or so Turtles at the Express tryouts? So some of what you are saying is inaccurate?


Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/23/13 03:41 PM
No one care about turtles , terps or how many wins your club team has we are out of elementary school now. You need to do something else with all the time on your hands.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/23/13 05:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No one care about turtles , terps or how many wins your club team has we are out of elementary school now. You need to do something else with all the time on your hands.


They care so they can put the little magnet on the back of their cars.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/23/13 05:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No one care about turtles , terps or how many wins your club team has we are out of elementary school now. You need to do something else with all the time on your hands.


Don't worry, these are the same fathers that will be sure to "run into" the HS coach in the parking lot, have him over for a BBQ...volunteer to bring water over to the sidelines during games...you haven't heard the last of these people
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/23/13 06:13 PM
It is a sticker not a magnet !
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/23/13 07:17 PM
Ouch!!!! That kills resale value
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/23/13 08:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It is a sticker not a magnet !


HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/23/13 08:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It is a sticker not a magnet !


It is a magnetic sticker!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/23/13 10:50 PM
Manufactured and sold by Lax Unlim and the little turtle only waves to other little turtle magnet stickers.

The adults have a secret handshake also....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/24/13 12:54 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It is a sticker not a magnet !


HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA




You're second grade teacher called and says to get back to class!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/24/13 02:16 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It is a sticker not a magnet !


HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA




You're second grade teacher called and says to get back to class!


Seems the turtle escaped from it's tank and is wandering down the hall, please someone find him before he escapes into the real world and actually has to survive on his own!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/24/13 12:05 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Turtles still beat the Terps black by 10. Terps have not upgraded at all.


Hilarious!! Express vs Express! This post was probably written by a parent of a mediocre Turtle, one of those turtles you see trying to cross the road and feel so bad for that you stop your car to help it before it becomes roadkill.
Eventually survival of the fittest will prevail and after a few of the very good players on your team commit to schools, you will be scratching your head, wondering why you bought into the hype. Sad for you.


and this post sounds like it was written from an x-turtle/ x-terps and i'm sure future x-91 parent


Def not written by a double X player parent. This has to be a disgruntled still angry express terps parent. Turtles are a great team and have great players any parents. Undeniably they will garner the haters who feel that their kid shoulda woulda coulda been a turtle. X players aren't haters...prob just looking for the best fit. That being said; the bar set so high by the turtles is now within reach of a team or two as they strive to be as good as the turtles. It is safe to say that the turtles inspired many kids to try and be as good if not better.


This is the most accurate post to date. I'm not associated with the Express/Turtles and agree whole heartedly. The Turtles set the bar over the years & my son, for one, has only become better for it. These boys need to find the right fit for themselves. Turtles, TB, 91, fl$, Terps, Outlaws, etc. There is a tremendous amount talent on LI in the 2017 group. The next couple of years should be interesting!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/24/13 01:00 PM
We should just call this forum this 2017 Turtle/Terp board. Its unreal how much jealousy and hatred is spewed at a group of kids. The Turtles are a great team and have been for the past 5 years or so, and I agree with the poster who said the Turtles made the rest of this age group better. However it is High School now and other teams have caught up. Everyone needs to move on now from all the Turtle bashing, its really silly. Concentrate on your own kid and his experience and enjoy the ride.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/24/13 06:16 PM
Notification went out for Express 2017. Good Luck.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/24/13 06:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Notification went out for Express 2017. Good Luck.


Let the games begin!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/24/13 09:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Notification went out for Express 2017. Good Luck.


Let the games begin!




looks like orange is the new black....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/25/13 02:06 AM
honk if you're a turtle... then pass the grey poupuon
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/25/13 02:43 AM
Seems like terps black and terps merged
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/25/13 02:51 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seems like terps black and terps merged


Merged? Not exactly.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/25/13 02:56 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seems like terps black and terps merged


Merged? Not exactly.




more like purged...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/25/13 04:00 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seems like terps black and terps merged


Merged? Not exactly.




more like purged...


Why would you say something like that? Why so bitter and angry at this team already? Tool.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/25/13 05:50 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seems like terps black and terps merged


Merged? Not exactly.


more like purged...

I think Channy tried to do the right thing this time. Seems to me like he has the kids on an appropriate team. No one should complain because one team is coached by Jack Moran and One team is coached by Channy. I think the kids are the winners on this. Lets see what happens in the games.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/25/13 11:34 AM
MR STATE CHAMPION...
lets say your son is a senior in HS and his team wins the state championship by some 1-10,000 chance. Then what??

State Champ winner plus a subway token can get you to walk on tryout anywhere in the country
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/25/13 12:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seems like terps black and terps merged


Merged? Not exactly.




more like purged...


Why would you say something like that? Why so bitter and angry at this team already? Tool.




These people donít like MC so they attack the Expressís teams because they feel that will discourage people from joining the Express. Very angry and immature. These teams will do just fine. They always do.



Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/25/13 01:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seems like terps black and terps merged


Merged? Not exactly.




more like purged...


Why would you say something like that? Why so 🐃bitter and angry at this team already? Tool.




These people donít like MC so they attack the Expressís teams because they feel that will discourage people from joining the Express. Very angry and immature. These teams will do just fine. They always do







I don't think you know what purge means. To me it means getting rid of the non impact players that took of valuable spots. It was ok up till now but a great team can't depend on the first line to win. If my child made the orange team I would grab it because mc knows exactly what needs to be done. AND he is a great coach! And not for nothing but this year all the express teams have an exceptional coaching staff.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/25/13 01:37 PM
1-10,000 is over the top. Isn't 1 out of 2 in the CHSAA and about 1/100 for a,b,c ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
MR STATE CHAMPION...
lets say your son is a senior in HS and his team wins the state championship by some 1-10,000 chance. Then what??

State Champ winner plus a subway token can get you to walk on tryout anywhere in the country
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/25/13 02:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MR STATE CHAMPION...
lets say your son is a senior in HS and his team wins the state championship by some 1-10,000 chance. Then what??

State Champ winner plus a subway token can get you to walk on tryout anywhere in the country


MR I know nothing about lacrosse

This might be the stupidest post I have ever read on these boards, and thats no small feat. Talk to the kids at Garden City, Shoreham Wading River, West Islip, etc about how important winning a State Championship is. Take a look at the amount of kids that have been recruited from those schools the year after they won a state title. Not to mention the experience of winning a state title with the kids you have been playing with since grade school. I shouldnt blame you though, if youve never played a campetitive sport in your life and are living vicariously through your child you wouldnt know this. Keep dumping thousands of dollars into that overrated, money hungry club your son plays for, that and a subway token might get your son into a good school. Good luck with that.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/25/13 03:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MR STATE CHAMPION...
lets say your son is a senior in HS and his team wins the state championship by some 1-10,000 chance. Then what??

State Champ winner plus a subway token can get you to walk on tryout anywhere in the country


MR I know nothing about lacrosse

This might be the stupidest post I have ever read on these boards, and thats no small feat. Talk to the kids at Garden City, Shoreham Wading River, West Islip, etc about how important winning a State Championship is. Take a look at the amount of kids that have been recruited from those schools the year after they won a state title. Not to mention the experience of winning a state title with the kids you have been playing with since grade school. I shouldnt blame you though, if youve never played a campetitive sport in your life and are living vicariously through your child you wouldnt know this. Keep dumping thousands of dollars into that overrated, money hungry club your son plays for, that and a subway token might get your son into a good school. Good luck with that.

What if your son doesn't go to one of the schools you mentioned and has no chance of winning a state or district title. Wouldn't you advise him to work with a summer team in order to get recruited. I think your focus is too narrow. there are hundreds of boys/girls out there who could play on college teams that attend high schools that don't win championships and that for them a good way to be seen or recruited is to play club lacrosse. You sound as though all club lacrosse teams should be avoided. That's not my experience at all. In fact my son's club coach is doing far more than his high school coach ever could for my son's recruiting prospects.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/25/13 05:05 PM
What if your kid isnt one of the 5 best on the team? WM was clear, they are not helping, you do that on your own time...

The only problem I have ever had is simple--

If WM and those schools like them want a boy on their team in the summer, fine. Let that boy and his family choose if they also want to play with a club on their own time.


Why in the world would the school caoch care if my kid plays on his 30 man roster, but then goes to play with a club on a 20 man roster. Why cant a kid do both (if he wants to)???

Shouldnt the coaches encourage more playing rather than less?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/25/13 05:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What if your kid isnt one of the 5 best on the team? WM was clear, they are not helping, you do that on your own time...

The only problem I have ever had is simple--

If WM and those schools like them want a boy on their team in the summer, fine. Let that boy and his family choose if they also want to play with a club on their own time.


Why in the world would the school caoch care if my kid plays on his 30 man roster, but then goes to play with a club on a 20 man roster. Why cant a kid do both (if he wants to)???

Shouldnt the coaches encourage more playing rather than less?


Like everything else in today's world it comes down to money. I have seen it many times in my town which is a traditional strong lax town. Kids play for both the HS summer team and their club teams but the parents pay twice as much or more for the club teams so whenever there is a conflict the club team wins out. And there are always going to be conflicts.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/25/13 07:09 PM
Six terp kids make the Terp Black team this year, maybe they weren't,t so bad after all?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/25/13 07:36 PM
Which 2017 Express teams are A,B, etc?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/25/13 07:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Six terp kids make the Terp Black team this year, maybe they weren't,t so bad after all?


How many of the Terp black kids got moved down? Also how many of the Terps/Terp Black got cut all together? This will be a true indication if the Express is doing the right thing for the 2017
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/25/13 08:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How many of the Terp black kids got moved down? Also how many of the Terps/Terp Black got cut all together?
BOTC has a question for you. Why are these questions viewed as fair game? We ask this for several reasons.

First, these are youth players (ninth graders) we are discussing here. Newsday will be covering these players with their Varsity teams this Spring if they have the skills needed, so why not name the players - and yourself - if you have so many questions.

Second, why is it that people are so comfortable asking about players having been demoted on the athletics field but you would never consider asking "Who could not cut the mustard in their Advanced Placement class?" Athletics vs. AP - do we need to tell you which is more important?

Regardless, the questions being asked by this poster are simply inappropriate. If you have a problem with the roster composition, dear poster, grow a pair and come out into the open, post your objection, and then contact the club.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/25/13 10:08 PM
Wow botc why so defensive , he did not ask for names only numbers.does your kid go do Chaminade or St. Anthony?
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/25/13 10:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow botc why so defensive , he did not ask for names only numbers.does your kid go do Chaminade or St. Anthony?
Not defensive and trust us when we tell you that we have no dog in this fight.

Neither of my college graduates went to the Long Island private schools. Both were public school graduates from here on Long Island.

Both have now graduated from Top 30 Universities nationally after having been their high school class valedictorians, sports captains, All-State musicians, and club leaders. One is now pursuing a PhD at one of the Top 5 Universities nationally while the other has just entered the workforce (off-Long Island) following graduation. We have walked the long mile when it comes to recruiting, collegiate education, graduate school preparation, and workforce post-collegiate preparation.

So, back to your question. Defensive? Not so much. The fact is that the number of players that have moved up or down in the club pecking order provides absolutely no insight on anything related to the program. Whether the number was one or ten, what difference would that make to the reader?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/25/13 10:36 PM
Sounds like you raise some good kids, congrats. Just confused the hot topic right now is try outs why would we not discuss who moves up and down ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/26/13 01:41 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sounds like you raise some good kids, congrats. Just confused the hot topic right now is try outs why would we not discuss who moves up and down ?


You're kidding, right? Cage made it clear; these are youth lacrosse players. They are there for fundamental development and growth as players and young men. What position they have on a team and if they moved from A to B team is irrelevant.
Be concerned that your kid is happy and healthy and enjoying the sport they like. There is no indication to generate or invent pressure or situations where they would be exposed to criticism or judgement as to where they play.
If your kid is not playing on the team you think he belongs on; then take it up with the coaches. A public forum is not the place to dissect one child's abilities vs another.
They will land on the team they are supposed to be on.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/26/13 01:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sounds like you raise some good kids, congrats. Just confused the hot topic right now is try outs why would we not discuss who moves up and down ?


You're kidding, right? Cage made it clear; these are youth lacrosse players. They are there for fundamental development and growth as players and young men. What position they have on a team and if they moved from A to B team is irrelevant.
Be concerned that your kid is happy and healthy and enjoying the sport they like. There is no indication to generate or invent pressure or situations where they would be exposed to criticism or judgement as to where they play.
If your kid is not playing on the team you think he belongs on; then take it up with the coaches. A public forum is not the place to dissect one child's abilities vs another.
They will land on the team they are supposed to be on.


I must disagree, At this age "dissecting" players abilities is exactly what college coaches are doing! Anytime now, the wave of 2017 commitments will begin, so it matters this year more than ever what team a kid is on! Fundamenatal development should have already happened by this age.This is a forum about lacrosse, so thats whatis discussed here. Parents are their kids biggest advocate, and many times they are angry because there kid was shaffted due to politics. I sincerely wish all players the best, and esspecially the talented kids that get raw deals. Stick with it and don't get too caught up in the hype, but definately keep playing your absolute best every time and things will work out the way they are meant too.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/26/13 03:03 PM
Great post
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/26/13 03:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sounds like you raise some good kids, congrats. Just confused the hot topic right now is try outs why would we not discuss who moves up and down ?


You're kidding, right? Cage made it clear; these are youth lacrosse players. They are there for fundamental development and growth as players and young men. What position they have on a team and if they moved from A to B team is irrelevant.
Be concerned that your kid is happy and healthy and enjoying the sport they like. There is no indication to generate or invent pressure or situations where they would be exposed to criticism or judgement as to where they play.
If your kid is not playing on the team you think he belongs on; then take it up with the coaches. A public forum is not the place to dissect one child's abilities vs another.
They will land on the team they are supposed to be on.


I must disagree, At this age "dissecting" players abilities is exactly what college coaches are doing! Anytime now, the wave of 2017 commitments will begin, so it matters this year more than ever what team a kid is on! Fundamenatal development should have already happened by this age.This is a forum about lacrosse, so thats whatis discussed here. Parents are their kids biggest advocate, and many times they are angry because there kid was shaffted due to politics. I sincerely wish all players the best, and esspecially the talented kids that get raw deals. Stick with it and don't get too caught up in the hype, but definately keep playing your absolute best every time and things will work out the way they are meant too.


"It matters this year more than ever which team you're on"???? You are very confused with regard to the recruiting process. I will agree your son may get some better exposure to top coaches on a good team. More talent means more coaches. However, the recruiting game is changing. Coaches want to see how players perform without the security of their teammates. This why the camps and showcases are so big now. You know the top ones. Much more important to be at those and play well on your own. This shows the coach your true talents, and IQ. Further, the individual college prospect days and clinics are critical.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/26/13 04:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sounds like you raise some good kids, congrats. Just confused the hot topic right now is try outs why would we not discuss who moves up and down ?


You're kidding, right? Cage made it clear; these are youth lacrosse players. They are there for fundamental development and growth as players and young men. What position they have on a team and if they moved from A to B team is irrelevant.
Be concerned that your kid is happy and healthy and enjoying the sport they like. There is no indication to generate or invent pressure or situations where they would be exposed to criticism or judgement as to where they play.
If your kid is not playing on the team you think he belongs on; then take it up with the coaches. A public forum is not the place to dissect one child's abilities vs another.
They will land on the team they are supposed to be on.


I must disagree, At this age "dissecting" players abilities is exactly what college coaches are doing! Anytime now, the wave of 2017 commitments will begin, so it matters this year more than ever what team a kid is on! Fundamenatal development should have already happened by this age.This is a forum about lacrosse, so thats whatis discussed here. Parents are their kids biggest advocate, and many times they are angry because there kid was shaffted due to politics. I sincerely wish all players the best, and esspecially the talented kids that get raw deals. Stick with it and don't get too caught up in the hype, but definately keep playing your absolute best every time and things will work out the way they are meant too.


"It matters this year more than ever which team you're on"???? You are very confused with regard to the recruiting process. I will agree your son may get some better exposure to top coaches on a good team. More talent means more coaches. However, the recruiting game is changing. Coaches want to see how players perform without the security of their teammates. This why the camps and showcases are so big now. You know the top ones. Much more important to be at those and play well on your own. This shows the coach your true talents, and IQ. Further, the individual college prospect days and clinics are critical.


Shush, you are 100% correct, but why share with those that want to fight over E....ss Orange or Terps, and who is who, and why they are on what team. We all know why some kids end up on Orange. Let them keep believing what they want.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/26/13 04:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sounds like you raise some good kids, congrats. Just confused the hot topic right now is try outs why would we not discuss who moves up and down ?


You're kidding, right? Cage made it clear; these are youth lacrosse players. They are there for fundamental development and growth as players and young men. What position they have on a team and if they moved from A to B team is irrelevant.
Be concerned that your kid is happy and healthy and enjoying the sport they like. There is no indication to generate or invent pressure or situations where they would be exposed to criticism or judgement as to where they play.
If your kid is not playing on the team you think he belongs on; then take it up with the coaches. A public forum is not the place to dissect one child's abilities vs another.
They will land on the team they are supposed to be on.


I must disagree, At this age "dissecting" players abilities is exactly what college coaches are doing! Anytime now, the wave of 2017 commitments will begin, so it matters this year more than ever what team a kid is on! Fundamenatal development should have already happened by this age.This is a forum about lacrosse, so thats whatis discussed here. Parents are their kids biggest advocate, and many times they are angry because there kid was shaffted due to politics. I sincerely wish all players the best, and esspecially the talented kids that get raw deals. Stick with it and don't get too caught up in the hype, but definately keep playing your absolute best every time and things will work out the way they are meant too.


"It matters this year more than ever which team you're on"???? You are very confused with regard to the recruiting process. I will agree your son may get some better exposure to top coaches on a good team. More talent means more coaches. However, the recruiting game is changing. Coaches want to see how players perform without the security of their teammates. This why the camps and showcases are so big now. You know the top ones. Much more important to be at those and play well on your own. This shows the coach your true talents, and IQ. Further, the individual college prospect days and clinics are critical.


Shush, you are 100% correct, but why share with those that want to fight over E....ss Orange or Terps, and who is who, and why they are on what team. We all know why some kids end up on Orange. Let them keep believing what they want.




St Anthonyís and Chaminade kids get pushed to the front from here on in. That is very clear from the results of the Express tryouts. Now the Terps team is getting diluted because kids are leaving the Express and moving on to other teams. Express is back filling with next in line.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/26/13 05:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Sounds like you raise some good kids, congrats. Just confused the hot topic right now is try outs why would we not discuss who moves up and down ?


You're kidding, right? Cage made it clear; these are youth lacrosse players. They are there for fundamental development and growth as players and young men. What position they have on a team and if they moved from A to B team is irrelevant.
Be concerned that your kid is happy and healthy and enjoying the sport they like. There is no indication to generate or invent pressure or situations where they would be exposed to criticism or judgement as to where they play.
If your kid is not playing on the team you think he belongs on; then take it up with the coaches. A public forum is not the place to dissect one child's abilities vs another.
They will land on the team they are supposed to be on.


I must disagree, At this age "dissecting" players abilities is exactly what college coaches are doing! Anytime now, the wave of 2017 commitments will begin, so it matters this year more than ever what team a kid is on! Fundamenatal development should have already happened by this age.This is a forum about lacrosse, so thats whatis discussed here. Parents are their kids biggest advocate, and many times they are angry because there kid was shaffted due to politics. I sincerely wish all players the best, and esspecially the talented kids that get raw deals. Stick with it and don't get too caught up in the hype, but definately keep playing your absolute best every time and things will work out the way they are meant too.


"It matters this year more than ever which team you're on"???? You are very confused with regard to the recruiting process. I will agree your son may get some better exposure to top coaches on a good team. More talent means more coaches. However, the recruiting game is changing. Coaches want to see how players perform without the security of their teammates. This why the camps and showcases are so big now. You know the top ones. Much more important to be at those and play well on your own. This shows the coach your true talents, and IQ. Further, the individual college prospect days and clinics are critical.


Shush, you are 100% correct, but why share with those that want to fight over E....ss Orange or Terps, and who is who, and why they are on what team. We all know why some kids end up on Orange. Let them keep believing what they want.




St Anthonyís and Chaminade kids get pushed to the front from here on in. That is very clear from the results of the Express tryouts. Now the Terps team is getting diluted because kids are leaving the Express and moving on to other teams. Express is back filling with next in line.


To poster: "It matters more this year than ever before???" Why did you ask the question in a condesending manor, just to go on and give a logical answer??? I am certainly not confused about the recruiting process. I have have seen boys that play on top teams, but not show well at the recuiting camps/showcases get lots of college interest. I have also seen boys that play on mediocre club team, but excel at the recruiting camps/showcases get equal interest. So I guess we will agree that being on a top team exposes a player to more college coaches. If they can also perform well at a top showcase, that pretty much seals the deal. The kid on the "b" team only has one option, rock the showcase!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/26/13 11:09 PM
I think Channy did an excellent job assembling the Orange team. Nice balance of skills and kids that play well together. If you ask the kids they like this team.Also I think having Moran coach Terps was a great move as well as it gives kids a chance to develop under a coaching legend.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/27/13 12:15 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think Channy did an excellent job assembling the Orange team. Nice balance of skills and kids that play well together. If you ask the kids they like this team.Also I think having Moran coach Terps was a great move as well as it gives kids a chance to develop under a coaching legend.


Hows that Terps team shaping up? Hearing they're having a really hard time getting kids to commit? Moran is a great coach no doubt, I guess he'll have his work cut out for him.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/27/13 12:17 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think Channy did an excellent job assembling the Orange team. Nice balance of skills and kids that play well together. If you ask the kids they like this team.Also I think having Moran coach Terps was a great move as well as it gives kids a chance to develop under a coaching legend.

I could not agree more!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/27/13 12:31 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think Channy did an excellent job assembling the Orange team. Nice balance of skills and kids that play well together. If you ask the kids they like this team.Also I think having Moran coach Terps was a great move as well as it gives kids a chance to develop under a coaching legend.


Hows that Terps team shaping up? Hearing they're having a really hard time getting kids to commit? Moran is a great coach no doubt, I guess he'll have his work cut out for him.

I actually heard the opposite, I personally know 10 families who signed up asap and all are not catholic school
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/27/13 01:23 AM
Terps are going to be a low level B team which is fine for the kids who will be playing there. Coach Moran is an excellent coach who will make the boys better. My son made the team and accepted the invite. He is excited to get started and he knows several of the kids on the team. Should be fun!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/27/13 01:30 AM
9th Grade Jesters tryouts this weekend. You would think they will get a lot of kids trying out that are still looking for a team. Lots of talent still out there, kids who aren't going to catholic school or didn't make any of the "big club" A teams! Jesters Black had a competitive team last summer and a lot of their kids are coming back. They have a spot in the U15 National Championship so they will be going to Denver.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/27/13 02:17 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Terps are going to be a low level B team which is fine for the kids who will be playing there. Coach Moran is an excellent coach who will make the boys better. My son made the team and accepted the invite. He is excited to get started and he knows several of the kids on the team. Should be fun!


They are not low level B. Please think that when you play them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/27/13 10:45 AM
OMG, I want to reply so badly to this post, but mode won't let me
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/27/13 12:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Terps are going to be a low level B team which is fine for the kids who will be playing there. Coach Moran is an excellent coach who will make the boys better. My son made the team and accepted the invite. He is excited to get started and he knows several of the kids on the team. Should be fun!


They are not low level B. Please think that when you play them.


And you know this how? You know exactly who's committed and who's not? I think you're going to be very suprised at the final make up of that team. Best of luck to you and your son.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/27/13 04:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Terps are going to be a low level B team which is fine for the kids who will be playing there. Coach Moran is an excellent coach who will make the boys better. My son made the team and accepted the invite. He is excited to get started and he knows several of the kids on the team. Should be fun!


They are not low level B. Please think that when you play them.


And you know this how? You know exactly who's committed and who's not? I think you're going to be very suprised at the final make up of that team. Best of luck to you and your son.



Thanks! No subsitiute for coaching. And with one of the most respected HS coaches in the country teaching the boys - things are off to a promising start.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/27/13 05:59 PM
Make sure it's not MC with a fake Mustache.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/27/13 08:06 PM
MC is a great coach and he runs one of the top organizations in the country. The training that he provides the players in his organization you will not find anywhere. The way he sets up tournaments for all players of the Express organization to participate all year long and that's all you have to do is sign up on the website is incredible. But! yes there is a but, if you were selected to play on one of the B teams you must run for the hills! There is zero quality control on the B and C teams. If you are on one of these teams you will see multiple coach's through out the year to coach the team very rarely does a coach finish out the season. Last year I think it was supposed to be Schwalje and Lynot were supposed to coach the B team. Now they are saying Moran is going to coach, do you really believe he will be there all of the time? Come on, he will show up for some tournaments and maybe a few practices if your lucky, he has his hands full with Chaminade and will not have the time to properly coach this team. What MC should do is hire a B director that over see's these teams and make sure they are being properly coached but he spreads himself to thin.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/27/13 08:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MC is a great coach and he runs one of the top organizations in the country. The training that he provides the players in his organization you will not find anywhere. The way he sets up tournaments for all players of the Express organization to participate all year long and that's all you have to do is sign up on the website is incredible. But! yes there is a but, if you were selected to play on one of the B teams you must run for the hills! There is zero quality control on the B and C teams. If you are on one of these teams you will see multiple coach's through out the year to coach the team very rarely does a coach finish out the season. Last year I think it was supposed to be Schwalje and Lynot were supposed to coach the B team. Now they are saying Moran is going to coach, do you really believe he will be there all of the time? Come on, he will show up for some tournaments and maybe a few practices if your lucky, he has his hands full with Chaminade and will not have the time to properly coach this team. What MC should do is hire a B director that over see's these teams and make sure they are being properly coached but he spreads himself to thin.


You forgot to mention that you pay very high additional costs for that training you receive with the express.

I agree, no way Moran is the full time coach of the team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/27/13 08:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MC is a great coach and he runs one of the top organizations in the country. The training that he provides the players in his organization you will not find anywhere. The way he sets up tournaments for all players of the Express organization to participate all year long and that's all you have to do is sign up on the website is incredible. But! yes there is a but, if you were selected to play on one of the B teams you must run for the hills! There is zero quality control on the B and C teams. If you are on one of these teams you will see multiple coach's through out the year to coach the team very rarely does a coach finish out the season. Last year I think it was supposed to be Schwalje and Lynot were supposed to coach the B team. Now they are saying Moran is going to coach, do you really believe he will be there all of the time? Come on, he will show up for some tournaments and maybe a few practices if your lucky, he has his hands full with Chaminade and will not have the time to properly coach this team. What MC should do is hire a B director that over see's these teams and make sure they are being properly coached but he spreads himself to thin.


I've spoken to Coach Moran and he and Coach Gene Isnardi will both be involved all year from day one. Sorry to burst your bubble but my son is very happy to be with those 2 coaches and his new teammates. Prior to making claims, phone numbers to the LIE directors are on the website, yes they respond. Call and ask the the question. enjoy it will be a fun year
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/27/13 09:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MC is a great coach and he runs one of the top organizations in the country. The training that he provides the players in his organization you will not find anywhere. The way he sets up tournaments for all players of the Express organization to participate all year long and that's all you have to do is sign up on the website is incredible. But! yes there is a but, if you were selected to play on one of the B teams you must run for the hills! There is zero quality control on the B and C teams. If you are on one of these teams you will see multiple coach's through out the year to coach the team very rarely does a coach finish out the season. Last year I think it was supposed to be Schwalje and Lynot were supposed to coach the B team. Now they are saying Moran is going to coach, do you really believe he will be there all of the time? Come on, he will show up for some tournaments and maybe a few practices if your lucky, he has his hands full with Chaminade and will not have the time to properly coach this team. What MC should do is hire a B director that over see's these teams and make sure they are being properly coached but he spreads himself to thin.


My son was on the 3rd team last year and we had the two of the most dedicated coaches EVER! practiced from November to July. 2 Fall tourneys, 2 Indoor leagues, OBLL, 6 summer Tourneys and about 40 practices. Are there coaching irregularities from team to team - I guess - but not every team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/28/13 01:55 AM
THey will be "involved" exactly! If you think they will be there for every practice and every tournament you are out of your mind! Who wouldnt love those 2 coach's it would be a dream situation but its not happening. And by the way many parents have made that call and only to be lied to.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/28/13 02:01 AM
Please let know when day one starts, you are clueless.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/28/13 04:26 AM
Very excited about the Express Orange Team this year. The core of the team is very strong and athletic . The rest of the team really understand their roles and do them well. This team can play at a very high speed. It took MC a while to find the right mix of kids, but he definitely has it. Several of these kids will be starting on good varsity teams this year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/28/13 11:37 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MC is a great coach and he runs one of the top organizations in the country. The training that he provides the players in his organization you will not find anywhere. The way he sets up tournaments for all players of the Express organization to participate all year long and that's all you have to do is sign up on the website is incredible. But! yes there is a but, if you were selected to play on one of the B teams you must run for the hills! There is zero quality control on the B and C teams. If you are on one of these teams you will see multiple coach's through out the year to coach the team very rarely does a coach finish out the season. Last year I think it was supposed to be Schwalje and Lynot were supposed to coach the B team. Now they are saying Moran is going to coach, do you really believe he will be there all of the time? Come on, he will show up for some tournaments and maybe a few practices if your lucky, he has his hands full with Chaminade and will not have the time to properly coach this team. What MC should do is hire a B director that over see's these teams and make sure they are being properly coached but he spreads himself to thin.


I've spoken to Coach Moran and he and Coach Gene Isnardi will both be involved all year from day one. Sorry to burst your bubble but my son is very happy to be with those 2 coaches and his new teammates. Prior to making claims, phone numbers to the LIE directors are on the website, yes they respond. Call and ask the the question. enjoy it will be a fun year




I went on to the Express website and searched high and Low and could not find a phone # for anyone. There is only a general email. Not sure how you got Moranís # to speak to him?



Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/28/13 08:25 PM
has all the maverick showtime invitations went out for 2017's?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/28/13 08:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Very excited about the Express Orange Team this year. The core of the team is very strong and athletic . The rest of the team really understand their roles and do them well. This team can play at a very high speed. It took MC a while to find the right mix of kids, but he definitely has it. Several of these kids will be starting on good varsity teams this year.


Right mix of kids? You can tell this already? Wow, you must be some lax guru! Can you coach my kid? I'm so jealous
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/28/13 09:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
has all the maverick showtime invitations went out for 2017's?
got mine about 3 weeks ago, but more might go out if kids don't register.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/29/13 12:19 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Very excited about the Express Orange Team this year. The core of the team is very strong and athletic . The rest of the team really understand their roles and do them well. This team can play at a very high speed. It took MC a while to find the right mix of kids, but he definitely has it. Several of these kids will be starting on good varsity teams this year.


Right mix of kids? You can tell this already? Wow, you must be some lax guru! Can you coach my kid? I'm so jealous


My favorite part of the post is "The core of the team is very strong and athletic . The rest of the team really understand their roles and do them well." You know this from what, one practice? And what are the "roles" of the "non core" players? Maybe they carry your son's bag and wash your car in the parking lot? Jackwagon.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/29/13 02:41 AM
That's right keep giving express your MONEY!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/29/13 03:31 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Very excited about the Express Orange Team this year. The core of the team is very strong and athletic . The rest of the team really understand their roles and do them well. This team can play at a very high speed. It took MC a while to find the right mix of kids, but he definitely has it. Several of these kids will be starting on good varsity teams this year.


Right mix of kids? You can tell this already? Wow, you must be some lax guru! Can you coach my kid? I'm so jealous


My favorite part of the post is "The core of the team is very strong and athletic . The rest of the team really understand their roles and do them well." You know this from what, one practice? And what are the "roles" of the "non core" players? Maybe they carry your son's bag and wash your car in the parking lot? Jackwagon.


Real simple to tell who the stronger players in 2017 on LI are, these are H.S. freshman. Just look at the ones getting invites to the better showcases and already on the map with several colleges. You don't NEED one practice to see that.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/29/13 06:19 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Very excited about the Express Orange Team this year. The core of the team is very strong and athletic . The rest of the team really understand their roles and do them well. This team can play at a very high speed. It took MC a while to find the right mix of kids, but he definitely has it. Several of these kids will be starting on good varsity teams this year.


Right mix of kids? You can tell this already? Wow, you must be some lax guru! Can you coach my kid? I'm so jealous


My favorite part of the post is "The core of the team is very strong and athletic . The rest of the team really understand their roles and do them well." You know this from what, one practice? And what are the "roles" of the "non core" players? Maybe they carry your son's bag and wash your car in the parking lot? Jackwagon.


Actually I agree with the post, the athletic kids create turnovrs,push the ball and have great lax IQ and the Role Players jobs are to score lots of easy goals off transition which they do very well. That is the whole set up of the team and why they win. My kid is one of the Role Players and gets 2-3 goals a game and is pleased as punch.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/29/13 12:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Very excited about the Express Orange Team this year. The core of the team is very strong and athletic . The rest of the team really understand their roles and do them well. This team can play at a very high speed. It took MC a while to find the right mix of kids, but he definitely has it. Several of these kids will be starting on good varsity teams this year.


Right mix of kids? You can tell this already? Wow, you must be some lax guru! Can you coach my kid? I'm so jealous


My favorite part of the post is "The core of the team is very strong and athletic . The rest of the team really understand their roles and do them well." You know this from what, one practice? And what are the "roles" of the "non core" players? Maybe they carry your son's bag and wash your car in the parking lot? Jackwagon.


Real simple to tell who the stronger players in 2017 on LI are, these are H.S. freshman. Just look at the ones getting invites to the better showcases and already on the map with several colleges. You don't NEED one practice to see that.


75 percent of whom are older kids who were held back or repeating grades! Take a closer look you're going to be really surprised on what you find.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/29/13 08:58 PM
1st 2017 commit to UNC. NOT a Turtle, guess that settles that!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/29/13 10:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
1st 2017 commit to UNC. NOT a Turtle, guess that settles that!


haha, correct!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/29/13 10:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
1st 2017 commit to UNC. NOT a Turtle, guess that settles that!


what team is he from? 91 or turtles?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/29/13 10:26 PM
which high school/club team/position?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/29/13 10:46 PM
Congrats to him. awesome player. Well desrved.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/29/13 11:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
which high school/club team/position?


Bronxville H.S./Express Orange (team was called terps black)/middie
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/29/13 11:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to him. awesome player. Well desrved.


Express player...... Go NY! last year first was to Virginia from MD prep school.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/29/13 11:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to him. awesome player. Well desrved.


Great player...but a true 15 going on 16 yrs old.

Had to happen as predicted.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/29/13 11:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
1st 2017 commit to UNC. NOT a Turtle, guess that settles that!


Actually; you could be a little wrong....two unpublished commits prior to this. As of last week.

So that was NOT settled. Not by a long shot.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/29/13 11:56 PM
Who was the first commit from LI last year (2016) anyone know?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/30/13 12:53 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
1st 2017 commit to UNC. NOT a Turtle, guess that settles that!


Actually; you could be a little wrong....two unpublished commits prior to this. As of last week.

So that was NOT settled. Not by a long shot.


More turtle lies. Cant except that a non turtle BUT terps black player has committed first? Grow up.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/30/13 01:07 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
1st 2017 commit to UNC. NOT a Turtle, guess that settles that!


Actually; you could be a little wrong....two unpublished commits prior to this. As of last week.

So that was NOT settled. Not by a long shot.


More turtle lies. Cant except that a non turtle BUT terps black player has committed first? Grow up.


who cares? how do the turtles get pulled into all these conversations? If your going to be the first commit to announce I hope you have thick enough skin to deal with all the criticism it comes with.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/30/13 01:15 AM
There should be no criticism, only congratulations.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/30/13 01:44 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
1st 2017 commit to UNC. NOT a Turtle, guess that settles that!


Actually; you could be a little wrong....two unpublished commits prior to this. As of last week.

So that was NOT settled. Not by a long shot.


More turtle lies. Cant except that a non turtle BUT terps black player has committed first? Grow up.

It's accept not except. Maybe you should consider educating yourself before the masses
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/30/13 02:34 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There should be no criticism, only congratulations.


agreed
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/30/13 05:57 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to him. awesome player. Well desrved.


Great player...but a true 15 going on 16 yrs old.

Had to happen as predicted.


Every one who knows this kid knows that he is one of the hardest workers on the Island lacrosse scene. Congrats to him , it is actually nice to see a kid who plays within a team concept getting recognized.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/30/13 06:36 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There should be no criticism, only congratulations.

I agree kudos are well earned and it is great he is from Long Island and Not Maryland.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/30/13 10:34 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
1st 2017 commit to UNC. NOT a Turtle, guess that settles that!


Actually; you could be a little wrong....two unpublished commits prior to this. As of last week.

So that was NOT settled. Not by a long shot.


More turtle lies. Cant except that a non turtle BUT terps black player has committed first? Grow up.


who cares? how do the turtles get pulled into all these conversations? If your going to be the first commit to announce I hope you have thick enough skin to deal with all the criticism it comes with.


Stated by a turtle parent in a past post that they would be the first to commit, that's who seems to care the most, I just thought it was ironic!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/30/13 11:04 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to him. awesome player. Well desrved.


Great player...but a true 15 going on 16 yrs old.

Had to happen as predicted.


Older player for the year. No surprise. Bronxville HS. Which likely means his family can pay for whatever school took him early (perhaps an ivy, but if it is a non-ivy school that grants athletic scholarships then they probably did not have to use any of it for this player).

Hey, good for them. I don't really like how the system works in favor of kids who are held back, but this is the system and it isn't changing. I hope he makes the most out of this opportunity.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/30/13 11:44 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to him. awesome player. Well desrved.


Great player...but a true 15 going on 16 yrs old.

Had to happen as predicted.


Congrats to him, very good player. But what about all the whinning from LI Express parents about playing against older kids. A 2017 who is almost 16? Please.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/30/13 12:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There should be no criticism, only congratulations.

I agree kudos are well earned and it is great he is from Long Island and Not Maryland.


I'm sorry, is Bronxville on Long Island?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/30/13 01:03 PM
The kid is a westchester kid. LI crazies need to understand its not all about them. Look at 2015 and 2014 college commits on the PrimeTime website or the Westchester Predators site. Wish this amazing kid played club in Westchester so all the LI folks wouldn't try to claim his as their own!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/30/13 01:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who was the first commit from LI last year (2016) anyone know?

I believe it was a Smithtown east kid who plays for Team LI
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/30/13 01:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The kid is a westchester kid. LI crazies need to understand its not all about them. Look at 2015 and 2014 college commits on the PrimeTime website or the Westchester Predators site. Wish this amazing kid played club in Westchester so all the LI folks wouldn't try to claim his as their own!


wonder why this kid plays for a LI club when he has Pedators and Primetime? Seems strange, unless we agree that Express is a surperior program, and worth the 2 hr+ commute. He may be "from" bronxville but trained on LI.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/30/13 01:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The kid is a westchester kid. LI crazies need to understand its not all about them. Look at 2015 and 2014 college commits on the PrimeTime website or the Westchester Predators site. Wish this amazing kid played club in Westchester so all the LI folks wouldn't try to claim his as their own!


You could wish all you want it isn't happening! There its a reason he DIDNT PLAY where you reside. Do you even realize how long this player has played for Long Island Express? He and his family have been very committed folks commuting back and fourth from Bronxville to LI for years!

And there are many more Long Island 2017's that will commit sooner rather than later because of the talent level here with the top 4 or 5 from each top team here (Express Orange, Turtles, 91 and fl$) it will be exciting to watch.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/30/13 01:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The kid is a westchester kid. LI crazies need to understand its not all about them. Look at 2015 and 2014 college commits on the PrimeTime website or the Westchester Predators site. Wish this amazing kid played club in Westchester so all the LI folks wouldn't try to claim his as their own!


wonder why this kid plays for a LI club when he has Pedators and Primetime? Seems strange, unless we agree that Express is a surperior program, and worth the 2 hr+ commute. He may be "from" bronxville but trained on LI.


Exactly. And isn't he a Terp Black now ORANGE player? Haven't several of you called his team a "B team" over the past year or so on this board? Many more to come from this talented motivated group.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/30/13 01:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Very excited about the Express Orange Team this year. The core of the team is very strong and athletic . The rest of the team really understand their roles and do them well. This team can play at a very high speed. It took MC a while to find the right mix of kids, but he definitely has it. Several of these kids will be starting on good varsity teams this year.


Right mix of kids? You can tell this already? Wow, you must be some lax guru! Can you coach my kid? I'm so jealous


My favorite part of the post is "The core of the team is very strong and athletic . The rest of the team really understand their roles and do them well." You know this from what, one practice? And what are the "roles" of the "non core" players? Maybe they carry your son's bag and wash your car in the parking lot? Jackwagon.


Actually I agree with the post, the athletic kids create turnovrs,push the ball and have great lax IQ and the Role Players jobs are to score lots of easy goals off transition which they do very well. That is the whole set up of the team and why they win. My kid is one of the Role Players and gets 2-3 goals a game and is pleased as punch.


So how many games have they played since tryouts ended?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/30/13 02:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to him. awesome player. Well desrved.


Great player...but a true 15 going on 16 yrs old.

Had to happen as predicted.


Congrats to him, very good player. But what about all the whinning from LI Express parents about playing against older kids. A 2017 who is almost 16? Please.


You need to get over the fact that for many different reasons kids repeat a year. And in the case of 2017's many of those that are referred to as being "old" doesn't necessarily mean they are almost turning 16! In fact, many started high school as 14 and still are 14 and have until Nov 30 to turn 15 to be technically considered repeaters in the state of NY. But besides that, do yourself a favor and check out some top top lax schools and the ages of their freshman - you can find them in their bios. Yea, yea, I know, not fair. But seriously, stop the whining. It's getting old.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/30/13 02:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The kid is a westchester kid. LI crazies need to understand its not all about them. Look at 2015 and 2014 college commits on the PrimeTime website or the Westchester Predators site. Wish this amazing kid played club in Westchester so all the LI folks wouldn't try to claim his as their own!


wonder why this kid plays for a LI club when he has Pedators and Primetime? Seems strange, unless we agree that Express is a surperior program, and worth the 2 hr+ commute. He may be "from" bronxville but trained on LI.


Exactly. And isn't he a Terp Black now ORANGE player? Haven't several of you called his team a "B team" over the past year or so on this board? Many more to come from this talented motivated group.


As a player, I like playing with him because he passes me the ball a lot and makes me look good. I am so happy for him.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/30/13 02:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to him. awesome player. Well desrved.


Great player...but a true 15 going on 16 yrs old.

Had to happen as predicted.


Congrats to him, very good player. But what about all the whinning from LI Express parents about playing against older kids. A 2017 who is almost 16? Please.


the kid is not almost 16, and he is one of the smaller players on the team. He worked his butt off for years. You can't get the kind of stick or athleticism this kid has just through maturation. Also all the kids like playing with him because he distributes the ball and does the dirty work.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/30/13 02:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to him. awesome player. Well desrved.


Great player...but a true 15 going on 16 yrs old.

Had to happen as predicted.


Congrats to him, very good player. But what about all the whinning from LI Express parents about playing against older kids. A 2017 who is almost 16? Please.


You need to get over the fact that for many different reasons kids repeat a year. And in the case of 2017's many of those that are referred to as being "old" doesn't necessarily mean they are almost turning 16! In fact, many started high school as 14 and still are 14 and have until Nov 30 to turn 15 to be technically considered repeaters in the state of NY. But besides that, do yourself a favor and check out some top top lax schools and the ages of their freshman - you can find them in their bios. Yea, yea, I know, not fair. But seriously, stop the whining. It's getting old.


I dont think its whining, I think its a fact. The fact is the kid is 15 going on 16. Doesnt take away the fact that hes a good player and deserves to be where he is, but he is an older kid for the age group and by rights should be playing at the 2016 age group where he belongs. He was held back specifically for athletic and academic reasons, plain and simple. Congratulations to him and I wish him luck, the kid is a good player and a hard worker. A lot of kids are entering college at 19 now, so it seems to be the growing trend. Hold backs, repeat years and PG years are almost mandatory now if you want your kid to play at the next level.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/30/13 02:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to him. awesome player. Well desrved.


Great player...but a true 15 going on 16 yrs old.

Had to happen as predicted.


Congrats to him, very good player. But what about all the whinning from LI Express parents about playing against older kids. A 2017 who is almost 16? Please.


You need to get over the fact that for many different reasons kids repeat a year. And in the case of 2017's many of those that are referred to as being "old" doesn't necessarily mean they are almost turning 16! In fact, many started high school as 14 and still are 14 and have until Nov 30 to turn 15 to be technically considered repeaters in the state of NY. But besides that, do yourself a favor and check out some top top lax schools and the ages of their freshman - you can find them in their bios. Yea, yea, I know, not fair. But seriously, stop the whining. It's getting old.


Don't you people get it? Colleges don't care how old the kid is. It goes strictly by graduating year, yes it puts some kids who are the traditional age for their grade a disadvantage. But the older kids are NOT breaking any rules. It was their parents choice for whatever reason, you could have done it too, so stop crying and man up. The prep school model has it all well planned and executed, thats why roughly 80%+ of top 20 D1 rosters are made up of prep school kids! Most "regular" kids have many more obstacles to over come than most of us first timers ever thought.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/30/13 03:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to him. awesome player. Well desrved.


Great player...but a true 15 going on 16 yrs old.

Had to happen as predicted.


Congrats to him, very good player. But what about all the whinning from LI Express parents about playing against older kids. A 2017 who is almost 16? Please.


You need to get over the fact that for many different reasons kids repeat a year. And in the case of 2017's many of those that are referred to as being "old" doesn't necessarily mean they are almost turning 16! In fact, many started high school as 14 and still are 14 and have until Nov 30 to turn 15 to be technically considered repeaters in the state of NY. But besides that, do yourself a favor and check out some top top lax schools and the ages of their freshman - you can find them in their bios. Yea, yea, I know, not fair. But seriously, stop the whining. It's getting old.


I dont think its whining, I think its a fact. The fact is the kid is 15 going on 16. Doesnt take away the fact that hes a good player and deserves to be where he is, but he is an older kid for the age group and by rights should be playing at the 2016 age group where he belongs. He was held back specifically for athletic and academic reasons, plain and simple. Congratulations to him and I wish him luck, the kid is a good player and a hard worker. A lot of kids are entering college at 19 now, so it seems to be the growing trend. Hold backs, repeat years and PG years are almost mandatory now if you want your kid to play at the next level.
Thanks. This was my point above that the guy tried to blow off and said stop whinning. This kid deserves it by all accounts. I agree with the above and my point was that LI Express parents on here have repeatedly whinned about playing/losing to Maryland-based teams that only have older kids. This kid fits into that category plain and simple.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/30/13 03:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to him. awesome player. Well desrved.


Great player...but a true 15 going on 16 yrs old.

Had to happen as predicted.


Congrats to him, very good player. But what about all the whinning from LI Express parents about playing against older kids. A 2017 who is almost 16? Please.


You need to get over the fact that for many different reasons kids repeat a year. And in the case of 2017's many of those that are referred to as being "old" doesn't necessarily mean they are almost turning 16! In fact, many started high school as 14 and still are 14 and have until Nov 30 to turn 15 to be technically considered repeaters in the state of NY. But besides that, do yourself a favor and check out some top top lax schools and the ages of their freshman - you can find them in their bios. Yea, yea, I know, not fair. But seriously, stop the whining. It's getting old.


Don't you people get it? Colleges don't care how old the kid is. It goes strictly by graduating year, yes it puts some kids who are the traditional age for their grade a disadvantage. But the older kids are NOT breaking any rules. It was their parents choice for whatever reason, you could have done it too, so stop crying and man up. The prep school model has it all well planned and executed, thats why roughly 80%+ of top 20 D1 rosters are made up of prep school kids! Most "regular" kids have many more obstacles to over come than most of us first timers ever thought.


Best post on the subject yet! My son is a late 1999 birthday and I am actually kicking myself that I didnt hold him back. It looks like a PG year will be in his future. Live and learn.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/30/13 03:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to him. awesome player. Well desrved.


Great player...but a true 15 going on 16 yrs old.

Had to happen as predicted.


Congrats to him, very good player. But what about all the whinning from LI Express parents about playing against older kids. A 2017 who is almost 16? Please.


You need to get over the fact that for many different reasons kids repeat a year. And in the case of 2017's many of those that are referred to as being "old" doesn't necessarily mean they are almost turning 16! In fact, many started high school as 14 and still are 14 and have until Nov 30 to turn 15 to be technically considered repeaters in the state of NY. But besides that, do yourself a favor and check out some top top lax schools and the ages of their freshman - you can find them in their bios. Yea, yea, I know, not fair. But seriously, stop the whining. It's getting old.


Don't you people get it? Colleges don't care how old the kid is. It goes strictly by graduating year, yes it puts some kids who are the traditional age for their grade a disadvantage. But the older kids are NOT breaking any rules. It was their parents choice for whatever reason, you could have done it too, so stop crying and man up. The prep school model has it all well planned and executed, thats why roughly 80%+ of top 20 D1 rosters are made up of prep school kids! Most "regular" kids have many more obstacles to over come than most of us first timers ever thought.


Best post on the subject yet! My son is a late 1999 birthday and I am actually kicking myself that I didnt hold him back. It looks like a PG year will be in his future. Live and learn.


We did the same thing with our daughter, and I'm starting to regret it too! What's a PG year? Prep school, or Jr college?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/30/13 03:51 PM
Cut the "...you people don't get it.." bit. They do. Yes the players who have potential are entering college as older Freshman, College coaches like it, why wouldn't they, the players come in older stronger faster smarter.

I have a 7th grader, if I held him back a year in 3rd then he would currently be in 6th. He would for sure be playing 91 crush (the best 2020 team in the country - the only part not sarcasm) and be getting noticed @ close to 5'7 150 (bigger than some HS freshman). I'd also probably joke with him and let him drive into the parking-lots of the tournaments so people could talk (because that is us). and you know Id probably also complain if he didn't get pulled up to play JV or varsity.

But back to the PG/held-back conversation, it is the reality and many are doing it. Quite honestly I would not be surprised if I explored the option for 8th or 9th grade. But I would not only being do it for athletic reasons but academics.

Now can someone lay out how you did it? How does it work if you want to first go to STM LUHI STJ Friends STA then Chaminade (or visa versa)


If someone would outline that then I would think this site is helpful.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to him. awesome player. Well desrved.


Great player...but a true 15 going on 16 yrs old.

Had to happen as predicted.


Congrats to him, very good player. But what about all the whinning from LI Express parents about playing against older kids. A 2017 who is almost 16? Please.


You need to get over the fact that for many different reasons kids repeat a year. And in the case of 2017's many of those that are referred to as being "old" doesn't necessarily mean they are almost turning 16! In fact, many started high school as 14 and still are 14 and have until Nov 30 to turn 15 to be technically considered repeaters in the state of NY. But besides that, do yourself a favor and check out some top top lax schools and the ages of their freshman - you can find them in their bios. Yea, yea, I know, not fair. But seriously, stop the whining. It's getting old.


Don't you people get it? Colleges don't care how old the kid is. It goes strictly by graduating year, yes it puts some kids who are the traditional age for their grade a disadvantage. But the older kids are NOT breaking any rules. It was their parents choice for whatever reason, you could have done it too, so stop crying and man up. The prep school model has it all well planned and executed, thats why roughly 80%+ of top 20 D1 rosters are made up of prep school kids! Most "regular" kids have many more obstacles to over come than most of us first timers ever thought.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/30/13 03:55 PM
Jr college will take away your years of eligibility for the years you play. PG is prep school. Not sure How the LI Catholic's position themselves on this.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/30/13 04:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The kid is a westchester kid. LI crazies need to understand its not all about them. Look at 2015 and 2014 college commits on the PrimeTime website or the Westchester Predators site. Wish this amazing kid played club in Westchester so all the LI folks wouldn't try to claim his as their own!


wonder why this kid plays for a LI club when he has Pedators and Primetime? Seems strange, unless we agree that Express is a surperior program, and worth the 2 hr+ commute. He may be "from" bronxville but trained on LI.


The Predators only started last year with the 2017 age group. The 2014 age group existed for only a couple of years and the Predators helped get a lot of their kids recruited. If the Predators had existed four or five years ago when this kid began his career things may have worked out differently. The fact that this kid plays with the express has more to do with past decisions when the Predators option didn't exist for him. It doesn't mean the Express program is superior.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/30/13 04:28 PM
Post Graduate
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/30/13 05:20 PM
So how does a PG year work ? Instead of being recruited as a 2017 and committing as a soph / junior he/she will wait until 2018 when they are in a PG school to try and commit ? Will there be spots available or do you committ as a 2018 when your a junior for 2017?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/30/13 05:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to him. awesome player. Well desrved.


Express player...... Go NY! last year first was to Virginia from MD prep school.


Wasn't the 1st 2016 a PA kid who committed to Hopkins? - need to give credit where it is due!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/30/13 05:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The kid is a westchester kid. LI crazies need to understand its not all about them. Look at 2015 and 2014 college commits on the PrimeTime website or the Westchester Predators site. Wish this amazing kid played club in Westchester so all the LI folks wouldn't try to claim his as their own!


wonder why this kid plays for a LI club when he has Pedators and Primetime? Seems strange, unless we agree that Express is a surperior program, and worth the 2 hr+ commute. He may be "from" bronxville but trained on LI.


The Predators only started last year with the 2017 age group. The 2014 age group existed for only a couple of years and the Predators helped get a lot of their kids recruited. If the Predators had existed four or five years ago when this kid began his career things may have worked out differently. The fact that this kid plays with the express has more to do with past decisions when the Predators option didn't exist for him. It doesn't mean the Express program is superior.


Sad that Lacrosse has come down to all this, and there is nothing that can be done to stop it. Does this nonsence go on in football and basketball as well?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/30/13 06:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So how does a PG year work ? Instead of being recruited as a 2017 and committing as a soph / junior he/she will wait until 2018 when they are in a PG school to try and commit ? Will there be spots available or do you committ as a 2018 when your a junior for 2017?

Most times if a college is interested in you but their recruiting year is full for that year, they will commit to your kid for the following year and suggest you do a year at a Prep school. So technically youll be committed but it will be a year delayed and with the condition that you go to a prep school.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/30/13 06:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So how does a PG year work ? Instead of being recruited as a 2017 and committing as a soph / junior he/she will wait until 2018 when they are in a PG school to try and commit ? Will there be spots available or do you committ as a 2018 when your a junior for 2017?

Most times if a college is interested in you but their recruiting year is full for that year, they will commit to your kid for the following year and suggest you do a year at a Prep school. So technically youll be committed but it will be a year delayed and with the condition that you go to a prep school.


and drop $35,000 - $45,000 for that PG year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/30/13 06:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The kid is a westchester kid. LI crazies need to understand its not all about them. Look at 2015 and 2014 college commits on the PrimeTime website or the Westchester Predators site. Wish this amazing kid played club in Westchester so all the LI folks wouldn't try to claim his as their own!


wonder why this kid plays for a LI club when he has Pedators and Primetime? Seems strange, unless we agree that Express is a surperior program, and worth the 2 hr+ commute. He may be "from" bronxville but trained on LI.


Exactly. And isn't he a Terp Black now ORANGE player? Haven't several of you called his team a "B team" over the past year or so on this board? Many more to come from this talented motivated group.


Are you people actually going to do this again? Did you not learn anything from last year? Just shut your mouths & let you SONS play lacrosse! You are seriously going to come on this site & pound your chest that your sons team is the best because a kid on his team was the first to sign? You do understand the recruiting process, correct? The parents had to make the contact first & if that was their choice (& apparently it was a good one) good for them. It has nothing to do with you, your sons team, or the fact that he lives in Westchester or LI. The next couple of years are going to be very exciting for a lot of these kids, good luck to them all! Please let us NOT have to listen to your insecure ranting's for the next 6 months!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/30/13 07:56 PM
How are Jesters 2017 looking this year?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/30/13 08:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How are Jesters 2017 looking this year?


Looking like clowns with those uniforms. But seriously, how would anyone know when tryouts just ended? You'll get the "they look like they upgrade a lot" from those on the team, which means nothing.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/30/13 08:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How are Jesters 2017 looking this year?


Looking like clowns with those uniforms. But seriously, how would anyone know when tryouts just ended? You'll get the "they look like they upgrade a lot" from those on the team, which means nothing.


Looks like they upgraded a lot and they have clown uniforms. Happy now?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 09/30/13 08:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How are Jesters 2017 looking this year?


Looking like clowns with those uniforms. But seriously, how would anyone know when tryouts just ended? You'll get the "they look like they upgrade a lot" from those on the team, which means nothing.



Did invites go out for the Jesters yet?





Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/01/13 01:21 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to him. awesome player. Well desrved.


Express player...... Go NY! last year first was to Virginia from MD prep school.


Wasn't the 1st 2016 a PA kid who committed to Hopkins? - need to give credit where it is due!


Last years first was a MD prep school f/o kid to Virginia. The fist LI kid from 2016 was also a f/o kid to Penn state. Both are listed in top 60 sophomore ranking in IL.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/01/13 02:33 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to him. awesome player. Well desrved.


Express player...... Go NY! last year first was to Virginia from MD prep school.


Wasn't the 1st 2016 a PA kid who committed to Hopkins? - need to give credit where it is due!


Technically it was a penn state kid who had to do a yr of PG
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/01/13 12:46 PM
The press covered the 1st freshman to ever commit as the PA kid going to JHU

1st freshman commit article


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to him. awesome player. Well desrved.


Express player...... Go NY! last year first was to Virginia from MD prep school.


Wasn't the 1st 2016 a PA kid who committed to Hopkins? - need to give credit where it is due!


Last years first was a MD prep school f/o kid to Virginia. The fist LI kid from 2016 was also a f/o kid to Penn state. Both are listed in top 60 sophomore ranking in IL.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/01/13 08:35 PM
Here is an IL article about the first 2017 to commit. Clearly states that the first 2 2017 commits have already turned 15 earlier this year.

http://www.insidelacrosse.com/news/...unc-flood-gates-open-class-2017-recruits
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/02/13 02:01 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here is an IL article about the first 2017 to commit. Clearly states that the first 2 2017 commits have already turned 15 earlier this year.

http://www.insidelacrosse.com/news/...unc-flood-gates-open-class-2017-recruits

You people up in Long Island are obsessed with age. We have played against this kid many times down here in Maryland. What makes him an excellent player is not his age , it is that he has an MIAA style game with an incredible stick. It took that kid years of hard work to get that. It is not something that magically happens when you turn 15.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/02/13 11:14 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here is an IL article about the first 2017 to commit. Clearly states that the first 2 2017 commits have already turned 15 earlier this year.

http://www.insidelacrosse.com/news/...unc-flood-gates-open-class-2017-recruits

You people up in Long Island are obsessed with age. We have played against this kid many times down here in Maryland. What makes him an excellent player is not his age , it is that he has an MIAA style game with an incredible stick. It took that kid years of hard work to get that. It is not something that magically happens when you turn 15.


The difference is a great 15 year old 2017 player would normally be a good 15 year old 2016 player!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/02/13 11:19 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to him. awesome player. Well desrved.


Express player...... Go NY! last year first was to Virginia from MD prep school.


Wasn't the 1st 2016 a PA kid who committed to Hopkins? - need to give credit where it is due!


Last years first was a MD prep school f/o kid to Virginia. The fist LI kid from 2016 was also a f/o kid to Penn state. Both are listed in top 60 sophomore ranking in IL.


Wrong. Forrey Smith was the first to commit last year (Hopkins). Sam Offut committed afterwards to UVA (and there was at least one kid who committed between them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/02/13 11:22 AM
Since when is Bronxville on Long Island? Perhaps our southern friends need a geography lesson. If anyone is obsessed it's you, with a certain island.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/02/13 12:05 PM
The article refers to the player as "with his commitment became the youngest player to ever commit to play college lacrosse." The article also mentions he is already 15 (a year older than the typical 2017 - age appropriate for 2016)

Whereas he is the earliest academically (three weeks into Freshman year) I do not think he is the youngest. Surely at least one of the 2016s who have committed were not kindergarten red-shirts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here is an IL article about the first 2017 to commit. Clearly states that the first 2 2017 commits have already turned 15 earlier this year.

http://www.insidelacrosse.com/news/...unc-flood-gates-open-class-2017-recruits

You people up in Long Island are obsessed with age. We have played against this kid many times down here in Maryland. What makes him an excellent player is not his age , it is that he has an MIAA style game with an incredible stick. It took that kid years of hard work to get that. It is not something that magically happens when you turn 15.


The difference is a great 15 year old 2017 player would normally be a good 15 year old 2016 player!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/02/13 12:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to him. awesome player. Well desrved.


Express player...... Go NY! last year first was to Virginia from MD prep school.


Wasn't the 1st 2016 a PA kid who committed to Hopkins? - need to give credit where it is due!


Last years first was a MD prep school f/o kid to Virginia. The fist LI kid from 2016 was also a f/o kid to Penn state. Both are listed in top 60 sophomore ranking in IL.


Wrong. Forrey Smith was the first to commit last year (Hopkins). Sam Offut committed afterwards to UVA (and there was at least one kid who committed between them.


I stand corrected! Thought I remembered reading an article about Sam being first, but I guess I was mistaken, Was I right about the first LI 2016?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/02/13 12:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Since when is Bronxville on Long Island? Perhaps our southern friends need a geography lesson. If anyone is obsessed it's you, with a certain island.


Its his exposure through LI Express I think the poster was referring to in the LI connection. While Bronxville has a good team, im sure the training received from his club added to the recipe...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/02/13 01:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous

You people up in Long Island are obsessed with age. We have played against this kid many times down here in Maryland. What makes him an excellent player is not his age , it is that he has an MIAA style game with an incredible stick. It took that kid years of hard work to get that. It is not something that magically happens when you turn 15.


What magically happens when you turn 15 is youre bigger, stronger and faster than the 13 and 14 year olds your playing against so you look like a much better player than you really are. Get it?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/02/13 01:23 PM

You people up in Long Island are obsessed with age. We have played against this kid many times down here in Maryland. What makes him an excellent player is not his age , it is that he has an MIAA style game with an incredible stick. It took that kid years of hard work to get that. It is not something that magically happens when you turn 15. [/quote]

What magically happens when you turn 15 is youre bigger, stronger and faster than the 13 and 14 year olds your playing against so you look like a much better player than you really are. Get it?

You people down in MD are obsessed with manipulating the system to your advantage. I have to agree with the previous poster that a year makes a huge difference at 15, boys change dramatically from year to year at that age. An extra year of growth is huge, esspecially if you have the skill set to back it up! The % of kids older than the average for their school year being recruited early is proof, statistically significant. Lets call it what it is.....UNFAIR advantage!!
[/quote]
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/02/13 01:31 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous

What magically happens when you turn 15 is youre bigger, stronger and faster than the 13 and 14 year olds your playing against so you look like a much better player than you really are. Get it?


And don't forget you're a year more mentally advanced which helps on the field.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/02/13 02:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

You people up in Long Island are obsessed with age. We have played against this kid many times down here in Maryland. What makes him an excellent player is not his age , it is that he has an MIAA style game with an incredible stick. It took that kid years of hard work to get that. It is not something that magically happens when you turn 15.


What magically happens when you turn 15 is youre bigger, stronger and faster than the 13 and 14 year olds your playing against so you look like a much better player than you really are. Get it?

You people down in MD are obsessed with manipulating the system to your advantage. I have to agree with the previous poster that a year makes a huge difference at 15, boys change dramatically from year to year at that age. An extra year of growth is huge, esspecially if you have the skill set to back it up! The % of kids older than the average for their school year being recruited early is proof, statistically significant. Lets call it what it is.....UNFAIR advantage!!


Just to put a fine point on it - Jake Reed said 82 out of the 120 kids at this summer's Jake Reed Rising Freshman Camp (2017s) were a year older than what a typical 2017s age would imply. My son was there and is normal age, but I must be the idiot as so many kids are being held back.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/02/13 03:19 PM
That's why Lax is a rich mans sport. Not all of us can afford to hold our kids back and pay for extra years of school. My son who is a Varsity player headed to D1 is already saying that when he has kids, he will hold them back. Sad! If I could do all over again, I would hold my boys back a year from kindergarten. That seems like the best time to do it. I guess I never got the memo!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/02/13 03:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That's why Lax is a rich mans sport. Not all of us can afford to hold our kids back and pay for extra years of school. My son who is a Varsity player headed to D1 is already saying that when he has kids, he will hold them back. Sad! If I could do all over again, I would hold my boys back a year from kindergarten. That seems like the best time to do it. I guess I never got the memo!


That's funny my 9th grade son also says if he ever has kids he will hold them back. He says the best 2 players on his team are almost 2 years older than him but in the same grade.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/02/13 03:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

What magically happens when you turn 15 is youre bigger, stronger and faster than the 13 and 14 year olds your playing against so you look like a much better player than you really are. Get it?


And don't forget you're a year more mentally advanced which helps on the field.


When I was 14 I weighed 124 lbs. One year later I hit a growth spurt and grew 3-4 inches and put on almost 40 pounds. It's a big difference.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/02/13 04:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

You people up in Long Island are obsessed with age. We have played against this kid many times down here in Maryland. What makes him an excellent player is not his age , it is that he has an MIAA style game with an incredible stick. It took that kid years of hard work to get that. It is not something that magically happens when you turn 15.


What magically happens when you turn 15 is youre bigger, stronger and faster than the 13 and 14 year olds your playing against so you look like a much better player than you really are. Get it?

You people down in MD are obsessed with manipulating the system to your advantage. I have to agree with the previous poster that a year makes a huge difference at 15, boys change dramatically from year to year at that age. An extra year of growth is huge, esspecially if you have the skill set to back it up! The % of kids older than the average for their school year being recruited early is proof, statistically significant. Lets call it what it is.....UNFAIR advantage!!


Just to put a fine point on it - Jake Reed said 82 out of the 120 kids at this summer's Jake Reed Rising Freshman Camp (2017s) were a year older than what a typical 2017s age would imply. My son was there and is normal age, but I must be the idiot as so many kids are being held back.


For those of you who are mathematically challenged in MD and PA, that's nearly 70 PERCENT of all the kids that made Jake Reed were a year or more older. Really? That is so shocking. I can't imagine that a year or more of physical maturity would make a difference in athletics. What are the chances?
When will respected people in this sport step up and right this disgraceful wrong??? I challenge folks like Reed and others to stop fueling this sitation and go to an age based system for their camps. This way, everyone is on an even playing field. Additionally, college coaches will actually get a better representation of the players abilities are against competition their own age. A win-win for everyone. I further challenge US Lacrosse and tournament organizers to enforce strict age rules. Further, LI clubs should band together and keep our teams away from tournaments that do not go by these rules. When you cut off the cash flow, you'll get people's attention. Also, parents, demand from your teams that they only play verified age based tournaments. Those teams that want to play up, should obviously be free to do so. This has got to be stopped. NO OTHER SPORT OPERATES LIKE THIS!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/02/13 05:00 PM
I'm so happy I don't have a son in the class of 2017. You people are sick!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/02/13 05:02 PM
ok: so to move this commitment discussion forward; our true 14 yo has a legit offer on the table to take if he wants to a D1 school.

we are not so comfortable with the concept as what is to stop a school from taking the offer back on a purely verbal agreement if the kid blows out a knee or some other unfortunate situation in the interim?

Then of course there are the stringent academic requirements of this particular institution. So if one takes the offer and commits, and does not meet the prerequisite conditions; will that same kid be able to take other offers later on down the road to other schools if they come available?

thanks for any insight from those who may have been there
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/02/13 05:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

You people up in Long Island are obsessed with age. We have played against this kid many times down here in Maryland. What makes him an excellent player is not his age , it is that he has an MIAA style game with an incredible stick. It took that kid years of hard work to get that. It is not something that magically happens when you turn 15.


What magically happens when you turn 15 is youre bigger, stronger and faster than the 13 and 14 year olds your playing against so you look like a much better player than you really are. Get it?

You people down in MD are obsessed with manipulating the system to your advantage. I have to agree with the previous poster that a year makes a huge difference at 15, boys change dramatically from year to year at that age. An extra year of growth is huge, esspecially if you have the skill set to back it up! The % of kids older than the average for their school year being recruited early is proof, statistically significant. Lets call it what it is.....UNFAIR advantage!!


Just to put a fine point on it - Jake Reed said 82 out of the 120 kids at this summer's Jake Reed Rising Freshman Camp (2017s) were a year older than what a typical 2017s age would imply. My son was there and is normal age, but I must be the idiot as so many kids are being held back.


For those of you who are mathematically challenged in MD and PA, that's nearly 70 PERCENT of all the kids that made Jake Reed were a year or more older. Really? That is so shocking. I can't imagine that a year or more of physical maturity would make a difference in athletics. What are the chances?
When will respected people in this sport step up and right this disgraceful wrong??? I challenge folks like Reed and others to stop fueling this sitation and go to an age based system for their camps. This way, everyone is on an even playing field. Additionally, college coaches will actually get a better representation of the players abilities are against competition their own age. A win-win for everyone. I further challenge US Lacrosse and tournament organizers to enforce strict age rules. Further, LI clubs should band together and keep our teams away from tournaments that do not go by these rules. When you cut off the cash flow, you'll get people's attention. Also, parents, demand from your teams that they only play verified age based tournaments. Those teams that want to play up, should obviously be free to do so. This has got to be stopped. NO OTHER SPORT OPERATES LIKE THIS!


Well said, but doubt it will happen, too far gone
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/02/13 06:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
ok: so to move this commitment discussion forward; our true 14 yo has a legit offer on the table to take if he wants to a D1 school.

we are not so comfortable with the concept as what is to stop a school from taking the offer back on a purely verbal agreement if the kid blows out a knee or some other unfortunate situation in the interim?
Injuries, academic ineligibility, unbecoming conduct, and inability to perform are all elements that could result in an early verbal offer being withdrawn. College coaches do NOT want to gain a reputation for rescinding offers as that will impact the effectiveness of their future recruiting efforts. That said, athletic scholarships in lacrosse will not be wasted on student-athletes that cannot play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Then of course there are the stringent academic requirements of this particular institution. So if one takes the offer and commits, and does not meet the prerequisite conditions; will that same kid be able to take other offers later on down the road to other schools if they come available?
Schools that have extended a verbal offer to an athlete will almost always prequalify the applicant during their junior year, require a formal application during the early admissions process, and issue what is known as a "likely letter" should any academic eligibility components still be missing. If your student-athlete is not clearing the admissions bar, you will know it earlier rather than later. You should (repeat, should) have time in the later half of junior year and early senior year to make needed adjustments although athletic scholarship money will almost certainly have been allocated.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
thanks for any insight from those who may have been there
Please feel free to share any additional details as needed.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/02/13 06:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm so happy I don't have a son in the class of 2017. You people are sick!


Then get the [lacrosse] off of this forum and stop looking at it!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/02/13 07:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm so happy I don't have a son in the class of 2017. You people are sick!


So why are you trolling this forum sicko?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/02/13 08:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

You people up in Long Island are obsessed with age. We have played against this kid many times down here in Maryland. What makes him an excellent player is not his age , it is that he has an MIAA style game with an incredible stick. It took that kid years of hard work to get that. It is not something that magically happens when you turn 15.


What magically happens when you turn 15 is youre bigger, stronger and faster than the 13 and 14 year olds your playing against so you look like a much better player than you really are. Get it?

You people down in MD are obsessed with manipulating the system to your advantage. I have to agree with the previous poster that a year makes a huge difference at 15, boys change dramatically from year to year at that age. An extra year of growth is huge, esspecially if you have the skill set to back it up! The % of kids older than the average for their school year being recruited early is proof, statistically significant. Lets call it what it is.....UNFAIR advantage!!


Just to put a fine point on it - Jake Reed said 82 out of the 120 kids at this summer's Jake Reed Rising Freshman Camp (2017s) were a year older than what a typical 2017s age would imply. My son was there and is normal age, but I must be the idiot as so many kids are being held back.


For those of you who are mathematically challenged in MD and PA, that's nearly 70 PERCENT of all the kids that made Jake Reed were a year or more older. Really? That is so shocking. I can't imagine that a year or more of physical maturity would make a difference in athletics. What are the chances?
When will respected people in this sport step up and right this disgraceful wrong??? I challenge folks like Reed and others to stop fueling this sitation and go to an age based system for their camps. This way, everyone is on an even playing field. Additionally, college coaches will actually get a better representation of the players abilities are against competition their own age. A win-win for everyone. I further challenge US Lacrosse and tournament organizers to enforce strict age rules. Further, LI clubs should band together and keep our teams away from tournaments that do not go by these rules. When you cut off the cash flow, you'll get people's attention. Also, parents, demand from your teams that they only play verified age based tournaments. Those teams that want to play up, should obviously be free to do so. This has got to be stopped. NO OTHER SPORT OPERATES LIKE THIS!


Team Long Island is age based.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/02/13 08:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

You people up in Long Island are obsessed with age. We have played against this kid many times down here in Maryland. What makes him an excellent player is not his age , it is that he has an MIAA style game with an incredible stick. It took that kid years of hard work to get that. It is not something that magically happens when you turn 15.


What magically happens when you turn 15 is youre bigger, stronger and faster than the 13 and 14 year olds your playing against so you look like a much better player than you really are. Get it?

You people down in MD are obsessed with manipulating the system to your advantage. I have to agree with the previous poster that a year makes a huge difference at 15, boys change dramatically from year to year at that age. An extra year of growth is huge, esspecially if you have the skill set to back it up! The % of kids older than the average for their school year being recruited early is proof, statistically significant. Lets call it what it is.....UNFAIR advantage!!


Just to put a fine point on it - Jake Reed said 82 out of the 120 kids at this summer's Jake Reed Rising Freshman Camp (2017s) were a year older than what a typical 2017s age would imply. My son was there and is normal age, but I must be the idiot as so many kids are being held back.


For those of you who are mathematically challenged in MD and PA, that's nearly 70 PERCENT of all the kids that made Jake Reed were a year or more older. Really? That is so shocking. I can't imagine that a year or more of physical maturity would make a difference in athletics. What are the chances?
When will respected people in this sport step up and right this disgraceful wrong??? I challenge folks like Reed and others to stop fueling this sitation and go to an age based system for their camps. This way, everyone is on an even playing field. Additionally, college coaches will actually get a better representation of the players abilities are against competition their own age. A win-win for everyone. I further challenge US Lacrosse and tournament organizers to enforce strict age rules. Further, LI clubs should band together and keep our teams away from tournaments that do not go by these rules. When you cut off the cash flow, you'll get people's attention. Also, parents, demand from your teams that they only play verified age based tournaments. Those teams that want to play up, should obviously be free to do so. This has got to be stopped. NO OTHER SPORT OPERATES LIKE THIS!


Well said, but doubt it will happen, too far gone


Agreed. I can understand the concept of age based tourneys up to 8th grade. What happens in high school with a hold back or repeater? Lose eligibility year, so academically, one grade, and athletically, another grade? Colleges only really care about the graduation year, not age.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/02/13 08:42 PM
Any one get invited to Jesters 2017 yet?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/02/13 09:03 PM
borrowed from 2021 thread.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/10/redshirting-kindergarten-backfire-education
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/02/13 09:30 PM
Regarding the age discrepancies in Lax: Are people sure this kind of thing doesn't happen in football and basketball or even soccer for that matter? I really don't know, but given the advantages, I can't imagine it doesn't happen in those sports too. I just don't know. Can someone shed light on this?
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/02/13 09:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Regarding the age discrepancies in Lax: Are people sure this kind of thing doesn't happen in football and basketball or even soccer for that matter? I really don't know, but given the advantages, I can't imagine it doesn't happen in those sports too. I just don't know. Can someone shed light on this?
In soccer, this does not happen for three reasons.

First, everything from tournaments to leagues to showcases are driven by U-age brackets with hard and fast dates on the age groups.

Second, everything is sanctioned with player passes required; all of the player passes have the player's birthdate which had to be secured along with a copy of the birth certificate.

Third, every tournament event reviews the medical releases and player passes for each team member before allowing the team to participate.

Due to these three scenarios, holding back a player serves no value.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/02/13 10:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous


That's interesting, but this is a must see! I remember watching it a while back, ironically it is now becoming a real issue of unfair advantage as far as I'm concerned for my boys, check it out:

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7414212n
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/02/13 11:05 PM
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Regarding the age discrepancies in Lax: Are people sure this kind of thing doesn't happen in football and basketball or even soccer for that matter? I really don't know, but given the advantages, I can't imagine it doesn't happen in those sports too. I just don't know. Can someone shed light on this?
In soccer, this does not happen for three reasons.

First, everything from tournaments to leagues to showcases are driven by U-age brackets with hard and fast dates on the age groups.

Second, everything is sanctioned with player passes required; all of the player passes have the player's birthdate which had to be secured along with a copy of the birth certificate.

Third, every tournament event reviews the medical releases and player passes for each team member before allowing the team to participate.

Due to these three scenarios, holding back a player serves no value.


Cage, those well established rules certainly make success in soccer more about skill of player, than about uncontrolled variables such as age. I just don't see the system changing in lacrosse. Far to much control of the sport seems to come from prep schools, where most kids are "old" for there grade. And, as stated by several previous posts, the college coaches welcome these older players for their grade with open arms. Do you honestly think it is possible for this to actually change...or just wishful thinking?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/02/13 11:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

You people up in Long Island are obsessed with age. We have played against this kid many times down here in Maryland. What makes him an excellent player is not his age , it is that he has an MIAA style game with an incredible stick. It took that kid years of hard work to get that. It is not something that magically happens when you turn 15.


What magically happens when you turn 15 is youre bigger, stronger and faster than the 13 and 14 year olds your playing against so you look like a much better player than you really are. Get it?

You people down in MD are obsessed with manipulating the system to your advantage. I have to agree with the previous poster that a year makes a huge difference at 15, boys change dramatically from year to year at that age. An extra year of growth is huge, esspecially if you have the skill set to back it up! The % of kids older than the average for their school year being recruited early is proof, statistically significant. Lets call it what it is.....UNFAIR advantage!!


Just to put a fine point on it - Jake Reed said 82 out of the 120 kids at this summer's Jake Reed Rising Freshman Camp (2017s) were a year older than what a typical 2017s age would imply. My son was there and is normal age, but I must be the idiot as so many kids are being held back.


For those of you who are mathematically challenged in MD and PA, that's nearly 70 PERCENT of all the kids that made Jake Reed were a year or more older. Really? That is so shocking. I can't imagine that a year or more of physical maturity would make a difference in athletics. What are the chances?
When will respected people in this sport step up and right this disgraceful wrong??? I challenge folks like Reed and others to stop fueling this sitation and go to an age based system for their camps. This way, everyone is on an even playing field. Additionally, college coaches will actually get a better representation of the players abilities are against competition their own age. A win-win for everyone. I further challenge US Lacrosse and tournament organizers to enforce strict age rules. Further, LI clubs should band together and keep our teams away from tournaments that do not go by these rules. When you cut off the cash flow, you'll get people's attention. Also, parents, demand from your teams that they only play verified age based tournaments. Those teams that want to play up, should obviously be free to do so. This has got to be stopped. NO OTHER SPORT OPERATES LIKE THIS!


Team Long Island is age based.


Kudos to team LI. They are ahead of the curve on this.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/03/13 02:29 AM
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Regarding the age discrepancies in Lax: Are people sure this kind of thing doesn't happen in football and basketball or even soccer for that matter? I really don't know, but given the advantages, I can't imagine it doesn't happen in those sports too. I just don't know. Can someone shed light on this?
In soccer, this does not happen for three reasons.

First, everything from tournaments to leagues to showcases are driven by U-age brackets with hard and fast dates on the age groups.

Second, everything is sanctioned with player passes required; all of the player passes have the player's birthdate which had to be secured along with a copy of the birth certificate.

Third, every tournament event reviews the medical releases and player passes for each team member before allowing the team to participate.

Due to these three scenarios, holding back a player serves no value.


Thats how this "loose" sport should be, REAL rules that are enforced!

So lets see, thus far FOUR players in the 2017 class have committed. Two (both UNC) are held back and the other two (UVA & Penn St) are in he 2016 class and will PG once they leave H.S. anyone else sense the patten? These college coach DONT care, its a shame. But how can we blame the coaches, they don't make the rules and they need to win. What are we teaching our kids?
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/03/13 03:06 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Cage, those well established rules certainly make success in soccer more about skill of player, than about uncontrolled variables such as age. I just don't see the system changing in lacrosse. Far to much control of the sport seems to come from prep schools, where most kids are "old" for there grade. And, as stated by several previous posts, the college coaches welcome these older players for their grade with open arms. Do you honestly think it is possible for this to actually change...or just wishful thinking?
Yes, it is very possible to bring about change. Responsibility for that belongs squarely with US Lacrosse enforcing a national system of tournament sanctioning. Such sanctioning must require a U-age based system and player passes supporting the U-age structure. US Lacrosse has shirked this national responsibility for far too long.

Under such a mandate, college recruiting will fall into line as there would be no other avenue for recruiting.

We could have an extended debate over the value of "PG" years - better known as "13th Grade". Let's just say that such a "PG" practice represents a $30,000-$50,000 expense.

Expecting tournaments to be the sole source of such enforcement is wrong since tournaments are commercial endeavors first and foremost.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/03/13 03:53 AM
its a vitious cycle... if you hold a kid back... everyone is or will be so quick to preface any praise with the... "but he should be in the grade above"...
... and they would be right... just pointing out the inconvenient truth...

it's an unfair advantage... so take be prepared to take on the fall out when you red shirt your eighth grader
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/03/13 11:10 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any one get invited to Jesters 2017 yet?




What day did the Jesters say they would send out the invites? Did not here anything yet.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/03/13 11:39 AM
Have Jake Reed Summer 2014 invites for the 2017s started to go out yet? I mean the 120 direct invites for kids who attended last year and got selected based on their performance or got a direct invite from Jake based on coaches/club slots, not kids going to 3D Blue Chip to try and make it. My son got the invite for the Fall Jake Reed event (going to Phiily Showcase instead), but hasn't received a Jake Reed summer invite yet. Hoping to avoid having to go down to Florida for 3D Blue Chip and get the direct invite instead.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/03/13 12:43 PM
For those who have had children attend the Philly Freshman Showcase: What can we expect? What is the schedule? Is it all games? How many on a team? Who are the coaches? How much coaching/instruction is there, if any? Is there food there? Are parents restricted in any way? What's the weather policy? Any advice/info would be helpful. Thanks.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/03/13 12:43 PM
Altough I don't agree, age advantage is not a new concept in sports. From Malcolm Gladwell's Outliers, the NHL statistics point to a proven edge: The result, Gladwell says, is "an iron law of Canadian hockey: in any elite group of hockey players - the very best of the best - 40 per cent of the players will have been born between January and March." Those born in the last quarter of the year might as well just "give up on hockey."



Originally Posted by Anonymous
its a vitious cycle... if you hold a kid back... everyone is or will be so quick to preface any praise with the... "but he should be in the grade above"...
... and they would be right... just pointing out the inconvenient truth...

it's an unfair advantage... so take be prepared to take on the fall out when you red shirt your eighth grader
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/03/13 01:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Have Jake Reed Summer 2014 invites for the 2017s started to go out yet? I mean the 120 direct invites for kids who attended last year and got selected based on their performance or got a direct invite from Jake based on coaches/club slots, not kids going to 3D Blue Chip to try and make it. My son got the invite for the Fall Jake Reed event (going to Phiily Showcase instead), but hasn't received a Jake Reed summer invite yet. Hoping to avoid having to go down to Florida for 3D Blue Chip and get the direct invite instead.



Not out yet
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/03/13 01:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Have Jake Reed Summer 2014 invites for the 2017s started to go out yet? I mean the 120 direct invites for kids who attended last year and got selected based on their performance or got a direct invite from Jake based on coaches/club slots, not kids going to 3D Blue Chip to try and make it. My son got the invite for the Fall Jake Reed event (going to Phiily Showcase instead), but hasn't received a Jake Reed summer invite yet. Hoping to avoid having to go down to Florida for 3D Blue Chip and get the direct invite instead.
Not out yet
Thank you for the response.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/03/13 02:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any one get invited to Jesters 2017 yet?




What day did the Jesters say they would send out the invites? Did not here anything yet.




Should here very soon?


Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/03/13 05:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Have Jake Reed Summer 2014 invites for the 2017s started to go out yet? I mean the 120 direct invites for kids who attended last year and got selected based on their performance or got a direct invite from Jake based on coaches/club slots, not kids going to 3D Blue Chip to try and make it. My son got the invite for the Fall Jake Reed event (going to Phiily Showcase instead), but hasn't received a Jake Reed summer invite yet. Hoping to avoid having to go down to Florida for 3D Blue Chip and get the direct invite instead.



Be prepared to take on the fallout?? Are you kidding me? Do you think any of these people actually care what you think or say?


Not out yet
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/03/13 05:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Have Jake Reed Summer 2014 invites for the 2017s started to go out yet? I mean the 120 direct invites for kids who attended last year and got selected based on their performance or got a direct invite from Jake based on coaches/club slots, not kids going to 3D Blue Chip to try and make it. My son got the invite for the Fall Jake Reed event (going to Phiily Showcase instead), but hasn't received a Jake Reed summer invite yet. Hoping to avoid having to go down to Florida for 3D Blue Chip and get the direct invite instead.
What, are u drinking during the day again? Your response makes no sense.


Be prepared to take on the fallout?? Are you kidding me? Do you think any of these people actually care what you think or say?


Not out yet
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/03/13 07:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Have Jake Reed Summer 2014 invites for the 2017s started to go out yet? I mean the 120 direct invites for kids who attended last year and got selected based on their performance or got a direct invite from Jake based on coaches/club slots, not kids going to 3D Blue Chip to try and make it. My son got the invite for the Fall Jake Reed event (going to Phiily Showcase instead), but hasn't received a Jake Reed summer invite yet. Hoping to avoid having to go down to Florida for 3D Blue Chip and get the direct invite instead.



Not out yet


but will be very soon as per a very reliable source. (to be directly mailed to accepted player homes)

they are only taking approx 50% of the kids from this summer.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/03/13 09:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Have Jake Reed Summer 2014 invites for the 2017s started to go out yet? I mean the 120 direct invites for kids who attended last year and got selected based on their performance or got a direct invite from Jake based on coaches/club slots, not kids going to 3D Blue Chip to try and make it. My son got the invite for the Fall Jake Reed event (going to Phiily Showcase instead), but hasn't received a Jake Reed summer invite yet. Hoping to avoid having to go down to Florida for 3D Blue Chip and get the direct invite instead.



Not out yet


but will be very soon as per a very reliable source. (to be directly mailed to accepted player homes)

they are only taking approx 50% of the kids from this summer.
Thanks a lot, helpful. Consistent with what I have heard.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/03/13 09:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Have Jake Reed Summer 2014 invites for the 2017s started to go out yet? I mean the 120 direct invites for kids who attended last year and got selected based on their performance or got a direct invite from Jake based on coaches/club slots, not kids going to 3D Blue Chip to try and make it. My son got the invite for the Fall Jake Reed event (going to Phiily Showcase instead), but hasn't received a Jake Reed summer invite yet. Hoping to avoid having to go down to Florida for 3D Blue Chip and get the direct invite instead.
What, are u drinking during the day again? Your response makes no sense.


Obviously belongs to earlier post


Be prepared to take on the fallout?? Are you kidding me? Do you think any of these people actually care what you think or say?


Not out yet
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/03/13 09:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Altough I don't agree, age advantage is not a new concept in sports. From Malcolm Gladwell's Outliers, the NHL statistics point to a proven edge: The result, Gladwell says, is "an iron law of Canadian hockey: in any elite group of hockey players - the very best of the best - 40 per cent of the players will have been born between January and March." Those born in the last quarter of the year might as well just "give up on hockey."



Originally Posted by Anonymous
its a vitious cycle... if you hold a kid back... everyone is or will be so quick to preface any praise with the... "but he should be in the grade above"...
... and they would be right... just pointing out the inconvenient truth...

it's an unfair advantage... so take be prepared to take on the fall out when you red shirt your eighth grader



Be ready to take on the fallout?? Are you kidding me? Do you think any of these people actually care what you think or say?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/03/13 09:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any one get invited to Jesters 2017 yet?




What day did the Jesters say they would send out the invites? Did not here anything yet.




Should here very soon?





I thought it was Wed/ Thurs??? Anyone here




Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/04/13 12:39 AM
Yes
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/04/13 12:00 PM
Yup. That's one of the biggest reason for it... Sadly.

Reality, 99% of the biggest fastest athletes in 8th grade are not a factor 4 years later when the rest of the boys caught up.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/04/13 12:12 PM
Jesters invites are out
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/04/13 04:08 PM
Summer 2014 National 175 Invitations are out.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/04/13 04:35 PM
Does anyone have any feedback on which is better. Top 205 or National 175 for this summer. Which has more D1
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/04/13 04:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anyone have any feedback on which is better. Top 205 or National 175 for this summer. Which has more D1


Just one man's opinion on summer showcases:

1. Maverick Showtime
2. Jake Reed (but losing some favor b/c expanded # of kids)
3. Black Card Showcase (NSCLA members only)
4. National 175
5. Top 204
6. All others
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/04/13 05:40 PM
Thanks for the feedback on order of showcases. You have Nat 175 higher than Top 205. If invited to both, and you want to only chose one, why do you feel Nat 175 is better?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/04/13 05:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anyone have any feedback on which is better. Top 205 or National 175 for this summer. Which has more D1


Just one man's opinion on summer showcases:

1. Maverick Showtime
2. Jake Reed (but losing some favor b/c expanded # of kids)
3. Black Card Showcase (NSCLA members only)
4. National 175
5. Top 204
6. All others


Showtime is by far the best. Most coaches, Most media coverage, IL, ect, best goody bag
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/04/13 06:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thanks for the feedback on order of showcases. You have Nat 175 higher than Top 205. If invited to both, and you want to only chose one, why do you feel Nat 175 is better?
I think Nat'l 175 and Top 205 are pretty close, with Nat'l 175 newer and a little better marketed, 205 around for a long time. Having said that, I know a few kids who made the All-Stars at Top 205 and got a lot of attention from colleges as a reasult (one committed to Syracuse who saw him first at Top 205).
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/04/13 08:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thanks for the feedback on order of showcases. You have Nat 175 higher than Top 205. If invited to both, and you want to only chose one, why do you feel Nat 175 is better?
I think Nat'l 175 and Top 205 are pretty close, with Nat'l 175 newer and a little better marketed, 205 around for a long time. Having said that, I know a few kids who made the All-Stars at Top 205 and got a lot of attention from colleges as a reasult (one committed to Syracuse who saw him first at Top 205).


Top 205 is on its way out. Heard last year was a diasaster. No coaches, very poorly run, ball hogging, etc. Blue Chip 225 seems pretty popular as well.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/05/13 03:22 PM
Special Opportunity for Boys 2017 Players

Showcase Clinic Slots Available for Boys 2017 Players

While we are in the midst of discussing showcases for freshman boys, now is the time to remind everyone of the special event here on Long Island being held on November 10th. This will be the first edition of the K&J Athletics Red Storm Showcase Clinic.

Some of you might be concerned about this being an inaugural edition - who might show up? Take a look at this list of already registered coaches :

St. John's University, Stony Brook University
Adelphi University, Yale University
Marquette, Towson
SUNY Binghamton, Providence College
Army, Sacred Heart University
University of Massachusetts, Pace University
SUNY Maritime, SUNY Farmingdale
NY Institute of Technology, Dowling College
L.I.U. Post, Thomas College
Dominican, Belmont Abbey
MA Maritime Academy, University of Tampa
Florida Southern, Mars Hill
Mount Ida College, Young Harris
Shorter University, Stockton
Linden State College, Stevens Institute of Technology
Notre Dame De Namur, Western New England
Merchant Marines, Gordon College
Goucher College, Morrisville State College
Cabrini College, Christopher Newport
Hope College, Washington & Jefferson College
Thiel College, Villanova
Hendrix College, Birmingham-Southern College
Transylvania University, Arcadia University
Sewanee University, Mercy College
Lindenwood College, Dean College
Essex College, Suffolk Community College
Howard College, Queens University
SUNY Delhi, Ohio Valley University
Mitchell College

If this event is only fractionally as successful as the girls spring/summer event, freshmen players will wind up on radars from multiple schools looking to recruit this age group.

The price to attend the showcase with multiple games and clinics is only $200.00.

Registration Link : http://kjathletics.com/boys-showcase/
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/06/13 03:21 PM
Turtles lost to Walt Whitman Varsity and Turtles coaches didn't seem to take it too well.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/06/13 04:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Turtles lost to Walt Whitman Varsity and Turtles coaches didn't seem to take it too well.

What was the score
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/06/13 06:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Turtles lost to Walt Whitman Varsity and Turtles coaches didn't seem to take it too well.

What was the score


So a varsity squad beat a bunch of freshman? WOW.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/06/13 06:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Turtles lost to Walt Whitman Varsity and Turtles coaches didn't seem to take it too well.

What was the score


So a varsity squad beat a bunch of freshman? WOW.


By 1 no less...even with their typical outlaw tactics and cheap shots.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/06/13 07:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Turtles lost to Walt Whitman Varsity and Turtles coaches didn't seem to take it too well.

What was the score


So a varsity squad beat a bunch of freshman? WOW.


By 1 no less...even with their typical outlaw tactics and cheap shots.


What tactics? Playing hard and winning?

Watched the game and it was fun, good lacrosse. Turtles capatalized on man ups and Whitman dominated the physical battle which is what you would expect.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/06/13 08:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Turtles lost to Walt Whitman Varsity and Turtles coaches didn't seem to take it too well.

What was the score


So a varsity squad beat a bunch of freshman? WOW.


By 1 no less...even with their typical outlaw tactics and cheap shots.


What tactics? Playing hard and winning?

Watched the game and it was fun, good lacrosse. Turtles capatalized on man ups and Whitman dominated the physical battle which is what you would expect.


Turtles are really coming into their own! A little humility will serve them well.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/06/13 09:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Turtles lost to Walt Whitman Varsity and Turtles coaches didn't seem to take it too well.


Whitman isn't even a top team? Interesting, I'm sure the excuses will be flowing, I'll take out my violin
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/06/13 09:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Turtles lost to Walt Whitman Varsity and Turtles coaches didn't seem to take it too well.

What was the score


So a varsity squad beat a bunch of freshman? WOW.


Is that why you guys always play UP so you have a built in excuse? Don't you guys normally play UP in "B"brackets? Sorry, The Empire is crumbling.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/07/13 12:46 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Turtles lost to Walt Whitman Varsity and Turtles coaches didn't seem to take it too well.

What was the score


So a varsity squad beat a bunch of freshman? WOW.


Is that why you guys always play UP so you have a built in excuse? Don't you guys normally play UP in "B"brackets? Sorry, The Empire is crumbling.


Why put those kids in that position? What r they trying to prove? Concentrate on age appropriate performance. Getting beat on by bigger is never better. It's the Napoleon ego striking once again. What a debacle that playing up has become for that team. I feel for them. Playiing WW is like playing an average jv team. What did they get for their efforts but a tail between their legs?

Better not go up,against the likes of TB,fl$ or 91....serious beat downs waiting there.
The coach there always says" we don't duck anyone"; But NEVER invites the above teams to come and play. Why is that, pray tell???
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/07/13 01:02 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yup. That's one of the biggest reason for it... Sadly.

Reality, 99% of the biggest fastest athletes in 8th grade are not a factor 4 years later when the rest of the boys caught up.



Really ? 99%. How did you come up with that data.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/07/13 01:22 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Turtles lost to Walt Whitman Varsity and Turtles coaches didn't seem to take it too well.

What was the score


So a varsity squad beat a bunch of freshman? WOW.


Is that why you guys always play UP so you have a built in excuse? Don't you guys normally play UP in "B"brackets? Sorry, The Empire is crumbling.


Why put those kids in that position? What r they trying to prove? Concentrate on age appropriate performance. Getting beat on by bigger is never better. It's the Napoleon ego striking once again. What a debacle that playing up has become for that team. I feel for them. Playiing WW is like playing an average jv team. What did they get for their efforts but a tail between their legs?

Better not go up,against the likes of TB,fl$ or 91....serious beat downs waiting there.
The coach there always says" we don't duck anyone"; But NEVER invites the above teams to come and play. Why is that, pray tell???


why doesn't everyone do what they think is best for their kids. This team beats up on teams and its not fair, they lose by a goal and they're in over their heads. give it a rest already. TB, fl$, 91 c'mon man!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/07/13 04:07 AM
We saw the second half of the Turtle's game. I am not a parent on either team, I just stopped to watch when they were pointed out. It was a great game, very close and competitive, they did not appear to be out matched or blown out.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/07/13 12:00 PM
I am sorry but - teams play up to get better - will they win every game...no, will they get better and get more experience, certainly. I do not have a 2017 child, but we stopped after our game to watch about 10 minutes of this game (Turtles/Whitman). What I saw were two teams go at each other, Whitman was by far more physical, but they also were able to move the ball and play skillful lacrosse. Turtles had excellent ball movement on offense, I think they lacked a little size to better penetrate and draw slides from Whitman, but in all it was very good lacrosse. I think it is a shame to make comments like, "empire crumbling", and the other nonsense. These are young men remember, they are absolutely trying their best - in the short time I watched, not one kid quit on a play, or stopped trying...don't diminish their effort or character by making such rude comments on an online forum - in doing so, you only diminish your arguments and character, clean it up and act like adults....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/07/13 12:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am sorry but - teams play up to get better - will they win every game...no, will they get better and get more experience, certainly. I do not have a 2017 child, but we stopped after our game to watch about 10 minutes of this game (Turtles/Whitman). What I saw were two teams go at each other, Whitman was by far more physical, but they also were able to move the ball and play skillful lacrosse. Turtles had excellent ball movement on offense, I think they lacked a little size to better penetrate and draw slides from Whitman, but in all it was very good lacrosse. I think it is a shame to make comments like, "empire crumbling", and the other nonsense. These are young men remember, they are absolutely trying their best - in the short time I watched, not one kid quit on a play, or stopped trying...don't diminish their effort or character by making such rude comments on an online forum - in doing so, you only diminish your arguments and character, clean it up and act like adults....


The Turtles brought those comments on mainly because of the way they have carried on the past several years bragging about how great they are and how they are the best, hand picked elite atheletes. privilaged with the best training and coaches, etc. I think people are making these comments because we are seeing that all this pampering is not making as big a difference as some may have anticipated. A dose of humility will serve them well. There are many great teams and players on LI. Not just the Turtles.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/07/13 12:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anyone have any feedback on which is better. Top 205 or National 175 for this summer. Which has more D1


Just one man's opinion on summer showcases:

1. Maverick Showtime
2. Jake Reed (but losing some favor b/c expanded # of kids)
3. Black Card Showcase (NSCLA members only)
4. National 175
5. Top 204
6. All others


I would second this list.

Maverik Showtime seems to have taken the top billing from JR. JR with their deal 3d has lost some of its cache, but is still a great place to be seen.

You have to play for a NSCLA team for Blackcard so haven't seen that one first hand.

I think of the anyone can get in showcases 175 has probably snuck past Top 205 mostly because of the numbers. There are just too many people at 205, but if you do manage to make the all star game you can still get a lot out of it. 175 has a lot fewer players, and I liked the fact that they treat every game as an all star game so if you have done your homework before hand you can get the coaches to watch your games.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/07/13 12:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am sorry but - teams play up to get better - will they win every game...no, will they get better and get more experience, certainly. I do not have a 2017 child, but we stopped after our game to watch about 10 minutes of this game (Turtles/Whitman). What I saw were two teams go at each other, Whitman was by far more physical, but they also were able to move the ball and play skillful lacrosse. Turtles had excellent ball movement on offense, I think they lacked a little size to better penetrate and draw slides from Whitman, but in all it was very good lacrosse. I think it is a shame to make comments like, "empire crumbling", and the other nonsense. These are young men remember, they are absolutely trying their best - in the short time I watched, not one kid quit on a play, or stopped trying...don't diminish their effort or character by making such rude comments on an online forum - in doing so, you only diminish your arguments and character, clean it up and act like adults....


The Turtles brought those comments on mainly because of the way they have carried on the past several years bragging about how great they are and how they are the best, hand picked elite atheletes. privilaged with the best training and coaches, etc. I think people are making these comments because we are seeing that all this pampering is not making as big a difference as some may have anticipated. A dose of humility will serve them well. There are many great teams and players on LI. Not just the Turtles.


Unfortunately you are letting hearsay get the best of you. Like you I have heard similar things but when it comes to direct conversation with the kids or their parents, none of this rings true. Boils down to the societal evolution of today. If someone has something I dont, why dont I have it and if i cant then just try to discredit the people that do.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/07/13 01:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am sorry but - teams play up to get better - will they win every game...no, will they get better and get more experience, certainly. I do not have a 2017 child, but we stopped after our game to watch about 10 minutes of this game (Turtles/Whitman). What I saw were two teams go at each other, Whitman was by far more physical, but they also were able to move the ball and play skillful lacrosse. Turtles had excellent ball movement on offense, I think they lacked a little size to better penetrate and draw slides from Whitman, but in all it was very good lacrosse. I think it is a shame to make comments like, "empire crumbling", and the other nonsense. These are young men remember, they are absolutely trying their best - in the short time I watched, not one kid quit on a play, or stopped trying...don't diminish their effort or character by making such rude comments on an online forum - in doing so, you only diminish your arguments and character, clean it up and act like adults....


The Turtles brought those comments on mainly because of the way they have carried on the past several years bragging about how great they are and how they are the best, hand picked elite atheletes. privilaged with the best training and coaches, etc. I think people are making these comments because we are seeing that all this pampering is not making as big a difference as some may have anticipated. A dose of humility will serve them well. There are many great teams and players on LI. Not just the Turtles.


Exactly. You are spot on. And btw isn't it weird how a few people on this 2017 thread just happened to be "walking by the field and stop to watch" and they don't have a 2017 kid, wow what a bunch of BS. Please stop with the "they are only kids" stuff, these are now HS players who are young MEN.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/07/13 01:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am sorry but - teams play up to get better - will they win every game...no, will they get better and get more experience, certainly. I do not have a 2017 child, but we stopped after our game to watch about 10 minutes of this game (Turtles/Whitman). What I saw were two teams go at each other, Whitman was by far more physical, but they also were able to move the ball and play skillful lacrosse. Turtles had excellent ball movement on offense, I think they lacked a little size to better penetrate and draw slides from Whitman, but in all it was very good lacrosse. I think it is a shame to make comments like, "empire crumbling", and the other nonsense. These are young men remember, they are absolutely trying their best - in the short time I watched, not one kid quit on a play, or stopped trying...don't diminish their effort or character by making such rude comments on an online forum - in doing so, you only diminish your arguments and character, clean it up and act like adults....


The Turtles brought those comments on mainly because of the way they have carried on the past several years bragging about how great they are and how they are the best, hand picked elite atheletes. privilaged with the best training and coaches, etc. I think people are making these comments because we are seeing that all this pampering is not making as big a difference as some may have anticipated. A dose of humility will serve them well. There are many great teams and players on LI. Not just the Turtles.


Exactly. You are spot on. And btw isn't it weird how a few people on this 2017 thread just happened to be "walking by the field and stop to watch" and they don't have a 2017 kid, wow what a bunch of BS. Please stop with the "they are only kids" stuff, these are now HS players who are young MEN.


Have to agree. When you put yourself on a pedestal, there is only one plce to go. And you better believe people will notice!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/07/13 01:49 PM
The amount of hate and jealousy that is out there is incredible. "young men" they are in the 9th grade, the bashing and hating has been going on for some time maybe since these boys were in the 6th or 7th grade.

No adult who had any success of their own as an athlete would ever bash a kid who has put in the time and effort to become a good player.

These kids are good because of the amount of work that they put in, not because of who their parents are.

Many of you have been waiting for them to fail since these boys were in the 5th grade. You should be ashamed of yourselves!

The fact that many who have had negative comments have also been quick to point out how they are not the biggest, fastest athletes demonstrates how good they are. You have been waiting for the day when bigger stronger kids could knock them around. It is sad that small minded people wish such ill will upon children.

The fact that they are able to compete with and beat teams that might have superior athletic talent is a testament to all of the work that they have put in.




Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/07/13 01:53 PM
Ok, I get it now.... I am allowed to make to make these comments because of things I have read on an anonymous forum, hearsay, and rumor....I get it now, you're right keep bashing it makes your arguments and zingers that much more effective.... Your son is going to grow up and live his own life, there is NOTHING you can do about it - enjoy the time you have with him now in 20years you will undoubtedly feel radically different about this experience and crave to have it all back.. take a deep breath and enjoy it - it will not last forever...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/07/13 02:36 PM
Has anyone's son received a 2017 Jake Reed SUMMER invite yet (not 3D Blue Chip in the winter, I mean a direct invite)? Just trying to figure out if/when they are going out.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/07/13 02:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok, I get it now.... I am allowed to make to make these comments because of things I have read on an anonymous forum, hearsay, and rumor....I get it now, you're right keep bashing it makes your arguments and zingers that much more effective.... Your son is going to grow up and live his own life, there is NOTHING you can do about it - enjoy the time you have with him now in 20years you will undoubtedly feel radically different about this experience and crave to have it all back.. take a deep breath and enjoy it - it will not last forever...


I really don't think the Turtle posts are about jealousy. No one is saying that the boys/young men are not a talented and hard working group. The problem is that when high profile well connected members of the lacrosse community put together a team that is hand picked it not only makes other kids and parents wondering if they really are not as good. The Turtles also have walked around with a halo for years. The didn't lose many games, but when they did they did not always do it graciously. There was always some kind of excuse, too big. bad calls etc. I am glad they have lost a few because I feel like they will learn to appreciate the ups/ downs of lacrosse that most other players go through.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/07/13 02:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yup. That's one of the biggest reason for it... Sadly.

Reality, 99% of the biggest fastest athletes in 8th grade are not a factor 4 years later when the rest of the boys caught up.



Really ? 99%. How did you come up with that data.


60% of the time that is correct every time...souonds like the father of a slow kid
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/07/13 03:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Has anyone's son received a 2017 Jake Reed SUMMER invite yet (not 3D Blue Chip in the winter, I mean a direct invite)? Just trying to figure out if/when they are going out.
??? DOn't want this to get lost in all of the ridiculous Turtles hating going on.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/07/13 03:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yup. That's one of the biggest reason for it... Sadly.

Reality, 99% of the biggest fastest athletes in 8th grade are not a factor 4 years later when the rest of the boys caught up.



Really ? 99%. How did you come up with that data.


60% of the time that is correct every time...souonds like the father of a slow kid


Son is now a senior and I have a younger guy. Not even close. From MS to HS, big kids were still big, fast kids still fast, slow kids still slow. Were there changes, and some kids different? Sure. Biggest game changer, proper weight training. Speed comes from strength, not cones. Shutes and ladders will not get your son more agile or faster if his body does not have the muscle mass. Look at most sprinters and running backs. Very muscular. Skinny kids can also get very solid. Just my experience.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/07/13 08:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am sorry but - teams play up to get better - will they win every game...no, will they get better and get more experience, certainly. I do not have a 2017 child, but we stopped after our game to watch about 10 minutes of this game (Turtles/Whitman). What I saw were two teams go at each other, Whitman was by far more physical, but they also were able to move the ball and play skillful lacrosse. Turtles had excellent ball movement on offense, I think they lacked a little size to better penetrate and draw slides from Whitman, but in all it was very good lacrosse. I think it is a shame to make comments like, "empire crumbling", and the other nonsense. These are young men remember, they are absolutely trying their best - in the short time I watched, not one kid quit on a play, or stopped trying...don't diminish their effort or character by making such rude comments on an online forum - in doing so, you only diminish your arguments and character, clean it up and act like adults....


The Turtles brought those comments on mainly because of the way they have carried on the past several years bragging about how great they are and how they are the best, hand picked elite atheletes. privilaged with the best training and coaches, etc. I think people are making these comments because we are seeing that all this pampering is not making as big a difference as some may have anticipated. A dose of humility will serve them well. There are many great teams and players on LI. Not just the Turtles.


Exactly. You are spot on. And btw isn't it weird how a few people on this 2017 thread just happened to be "walking by the field and stop to watch" and they don't have a 2017 kid, wow what a bunch of BS. Please stop with the "they are only kids" stuff, these are now HS players who are young MEN.



Lets see my son played on same field right before this game. I stayed and watched the fisrt half and saw somne good LAX. Am I a BS artist? Plenty of people down at Farmingdale fields Sunday morning for the early games who stayed and watched this game. People on this board need to stop the negativity. These are just kids playing a game. BTW I know two kids on Turtles as well, nice kids as are their parents, no bragging from them ever.

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Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/09/13 08:24 PM
We are wondering the same thing. Have the personal invites - so you can skip the Fl. tryouts - gone out?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/09/13 09:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
We are wondering the same thing. Have the personal invites - so you can skip the Fl. tryouts - gone out?



Wasn't it suppose to be by oct 1? Wonder what the delay is....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/10/13 02:21 AM
Is fl$ going to be better then what they were last year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/10/13 11:57 AM
Why would Jake Reed send out direct invites when the program can get 650 boys to come down to FL to "try-out" for a $550 fee? Oversubscribe the tryout, then send out direct invites. This way you guarantee a $355k payday. From what I understand, 60 invites per age group come from direct invited from Jake and 60 invites are from the 3D tryout...ingenius, yes....money grab, you decide...650 boys trying out for 60 spots...bring your A game
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/10/13 11:59 AM
if they are having a difficult time filling all the Florida slots, this will delay sending direct summer invites. They need to ensure their profits in florida before telling boys they do not need to come.

If you go on the 3d website application page it shows that every position still has open splots at the 2017 age group
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/10/13 01:05 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
if they are having a difficult time filling all the Florida slots, this will delay sending direct summer invites. They need to ensure their profits in florida before telling boys they do not need to come.

If you go on the 3d website application page it shows that every position still has open splots at the 2017 age group


Applications for 3d Blue Chip are way down - saw a 3d tweet where over 1000 had signed up - 5 regions, 120 per class, 4 classes = 2400 slots and I know there a few rising senior spots so it is probably closer to 2500 slots.

I would bet the 2018 is full, and then it declines from there.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/10/13 01:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
if they are having a difficult time filling all the Florida slots, this will delay sending direct summer invites. They need to ensure their profits in florida before telling boys they do not need to come.

If you go on the 3d website application page it shows that every position still has open splots at the 2017 age group


Applications for 3d Blue Chip are way down - saw a 3d tweet where over 1000 had signed up - 5 regions, 120 per class, 4 classes = 2400 slots and I know there a few rising senior spots so it is probably closer to 2500 slots.

I would bet the 2018 is full, and then it declines from there.


Jake Reed is a money grab and overrated. I got a bad taste when I recieved an email asking for 75$ to watch a highlight video! Are they for real? Many other high quality showcases out there noticing and commiting kids to top D1 programs. Maverick Showtime is a much better showcase if you can get an invite. I wonder who these magic 60 invites go to? Kids of well connected daddys, I assume!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/10/13 02:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
if they are having a difficult time filling all the Florida slots, this will delay sending direct summer invites. They need to ensure their profits in florida before telling boys they do not need to come.

If you go on the 3d website application page it shows that every position still has open splots at the 2017 age group


Applications for 3d Blue Chip are way down - saw a 3d tweet where over 1000 had signed up - 5 regions, 120 per class, 4 classes = 2400 slots and I know there a few rising senior spots so it is probably closer to 2500 slots.

I would bet the 2018 is full, and then it declines from there.


Jake Reed is a money grab and overrated. I got a bad taste when I recieved an email asking for 75$ to watch a highlight video! Are they for real? Many other high quality showcases out there noticing and commiting kids to top D1 programs. Maverick Showtime is a much better showcase if you can get an invite. I wonder who these magic 60 invites go to? Kids of well connected daddys, I assume!


Mommies not daddys when referencing a JR event
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/10/13 02:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
if they are having a difficult time filling all the Florida slots, this will delay sending direct summer invites. They need to ensure their profits in florida before telling boys they do not need to come.

If you go on the 3d website application page it shows that every position still has open splots at the 2017 age group


Applications for 3d Blue Chip are way down - saw a 3d tweet where over 1000 had signed up - 5 regions, 120 per class, 4 classes = 2400 slots and I know there a few rising senior spots so it is probably closer to 2500 slots.

I would bet the 2018 is full, and then it declines from there.

No direct invite for 2018 available... have to do Fla deal.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/10/13 03:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
if they are having a difficult time filling all the Florida slots, this will delay sending direct summer invites. They need to ensure their profits in florida before telling boys they do not need to come.

If you go on the 3d website application page it shows that every position still has open splots at the 2017 age group


Applications for 3d Blue Chip are way down - saw a 3d tweet where over 1000 had signed up - 5 regions, 120 per class, 4 classes = 2400 slots and I know there a few rising senior spots so it is probably closer to 2500 slots.

I would bet the 2018 is full, and then it declines from there.


Jake Reed is a money grab and overrated. I got a bad taste when I recieved an email asking for 75$ to watch a highlight video! Are they for real? Many other high quality showcases out there noticing and commiting kids to top D1 programs. Maverick Showtime is a much better showcase if you can get an invite. I wonder who these magic 60 invites go to? Kids of well connected daddys, I assume!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/10/13 03:50 PM
I'll bet there is a great representation from 3D kids, deserved or not!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/10/13 04:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
if they are having a difficult time filling all the Florida slots, this will delay sending direct summer invites. They need to ensure their profits in florida before telling boys they do not need to come.

If you go on the 3d website application page it shows that every position still has open splots at the 2017 age group


Applications for 3d Blue Chip are way down - saw a 3d tweet where over 1000 had signed up - 5 regions, 120 per class, 4 classes = 2400 slots and I know there a few rising senior spots so it is probably closer to 2500 slots.

I would bet the 2018 is full, and then it declines from there.


Jake Reed is a money grab and overrated. I got a bad taste when I recieved an email asking for 75$ to watch a highlight video! Are they for real? Many other high quality showcases out there noticing and commiting kids to top D1 programs. Maverick Showtime is a much better showcase if you can get an invite. I wonder who these magic 60 invites go to? Kids of well connected daddys, I assume!


I bet there's alot more than 60 2017's waiting for their invite first, before they go the 3d route. If JR released the direct invites, then there will be a mad rush for 3d action. Just saying...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/10/13 04:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
if they are having a difficult time filling all the Florida slots, this will delay sending direct summer invites. They need to ensure their profits in florida before telling boys they do not need to come.

If you go on the 3d website application page it shows that every position still has open splots at the 2017 age group


Applications for 3d Blue Chip are way down - saw a 3d tweet where over 1000 had signed up - 5 regions, 120 per class, 4 classes = 2400 slots and I know there a few rising senior spots so it is probably closer to 2500 slots.

I would bet the 2018 is full, and then it declines from there.


Jake Reed is a money grab and overrated. I got a bad taste when I recieved an email asking for 75$ to watch a highlight video! Are they for real? Many other high quality showcases out there noticing and commiting kids to top D1 programs. Maverick Showtime is a much better showcase if you can get an invite. I wonder who these magic 60 invites go to? Kids of well connected daddys, I assume!



What's the story with 2017's that went to JR via 3d last year and the invite system? If they don't get direct invite this year is it true they can't go to 3d this year?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/10/13 04:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
if they are having a difficult time filling all the Florida slots, this will delay sending direct summer invites. They need to ensure their profits in florida before telling boys they do not need to come.

If you go on the 3d website application page it shows that every position still has open splots at the 2017 age group


Applications for 3d Blue Chip are way down - saw a 3d tweet where over 1000 had signed up - 5 regions, 120 per class, 4 classes = 2400 slots and I know there a few rising senior spots so it is probably closer to 2500 slots.

I would bet the 2018 is full, and then it declines from there.


Jake Reed is a money grab and overrated. I got a bad taste when I recieved an email asking for 75$ to watch a highlight video! Are they for real? Many other high quality showcases out there noticing and commiting kids to top D1 programs. Maverick Showtime is a much better showcase if you can get an invite. I wonder who these magic 60 invites go to? Kids of well connected daddys, I assume!



What's the story with 2017's that went to JR via 3d last year and the invite system? If they don't get direct invite this year is it true they can't go to 3d this year?


I think that if they went to 3d last year and didn't get invite to jr last year, then the only way to go this year is to go to 3d again and try to get that invite. But they will not get one direct this year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/10/13 04:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
if they are having a difficult time filling all the Florida slots, this will delay sending direct summer invites. They need to ensure their profits in florida before telling boys they do not need to come.

If you go on the 3d website application page it shows that every position still has open splots at the 2017 age group


Applications for 3d Blue Chip are way down - saw a 3d tweet where over 1000 had signed up - 5 regions, 120 per class, 4 classes = 2400 slots and I know there a few rising senior spots so it is probably closer to 2500 slots.

I would bet the 2018 is full, and then it declines from there.


Jake Reed is a money grab and overrated. I got a bad taste when I recieved an email asking for 75$ to watch a highlight video! Are they for real? Many other high quality showcases out there noticing and commiting kids to top D1 programs. Maverick Showtime is a much better showcase if you can get an invite. I wonder who these magic 60 invites go to? Kids of well connected daddys, I assume!



What's the story with 2017's that went to JR via 3d last year and the invite system? If they don't get direct invite this year is it true they can't go to 3d this year?
Definately not true.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/10/13 05:08 PM
have the Jake reed Nike Bluechip direct invites gone out yet?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/10/13 05:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
have the Jake reed Nike Bluechip direct invites gone out yet?


Pretty positive they have not yet gone out dispite Jake Reed posting on his twitter awhile back that they would be out by October 1st.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/10/13 05:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
if they are having a difficult time filling all the Florida slots, this will delay sending direct summer invites. They need to ensure their profits in florida before telling boys they do not need to come.

If you go on the 3d website application page it shows that every position still has open splots at the 2017 age group


Applications for 3d Blue Chip are way down - saw a 3d tweet where over 1000 had signed up - 5 regions, 120 per class, 4 classes = 2400 slots and I know there a few rising senior spots so it is probably closer to 2500 slots.

I would bet the 2018 is full, and then it declines from there.


Jake Reed is a money grab and overrated. I got a bad taste when I recieved an email asking for 75$ to watch a highlight video! Are they for real? Many other high quality showcases out there noticing and commiting kids to top D1 programs. Maverick Showtime is a much better showcase if you can get an invite. I wonder who these magic 60 invites go to? Kids of well connected daddys, I assume!



What's the story with 2017's that went to JR via 3d last year and the invite system? If they don't get direct invite this year is it true they can't go to 3d this year?
Definately not true.


Do you really think JR won't take your money?? Keep paying up!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/10/13 11:32 PM
Whitman ranked 15 preseason Suffolk an beat Turtles?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/11/13 01:13 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Whitman ranked 15 preseason Suffolk an beat Turtles?

Yes and I understand they're receiving a trophy for the accomplishment. Its fall ball who cares???
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/11/13 01:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Whitman ranked 15 preseason Suffolk an beat Turtles?

Yes and I understand they're receiving a trophy for the accomplishment. Its fall ball who cares???


Seems like a lot of people! It's an early indicator
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/12/13 05:40 PM
What tournaments are all the top teams going to this fall? (91, express, outlaws, TB, Turtles, etc.)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/12/13 09:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What tournaments are all the top teams going to this fall? (91, express, outlaws, TB, Turtles, etc.)

Turtles website says NSLCA fall showcase and Philly team showcase.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/14/13 06:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anyone have any feedback on which is better. Top 205 or National 175 for this summer. Which has more D1


Just one man's opinion on summer showcases:

1. Maverick Showtime
2. Jake Reed (but losing some favor b/c expanded # of kids)
3. Black Card Showcase (NSCLA members only)
4. National 175
5. Top 204
6. All others


I would second this list.

Maverik Showtime seems to have taken the top billing from JR. JR with their deal 3d has lost some of its cache, but is still a great place to be seen.

You have to play for a NSCLA team for Blackcard so haven't seen that one first hand.

I think of the anyone can get in showcases 175 has probably snuck past Top 205 mostly because of the numbers. There are just too many people at 205, but if you do manage to make the all star game you can still get a lot out of it. 175 has a lot fewer players, and I liked the fact that they treat every game as an all star game so if you have done your homework before hand you can get the coaches to watch your games.


Any opinions of Fab Frosh?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/14/13 07:26 PM
Fab Frosh is an excellent showcase. We know of two kids who went last year and within a two week period got contacts to prospect camps and invitations to visit. Very good communication with coaches from within the showcase. Must have been at least 25 schools there evaluating. By invitation only.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/14/13 09:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Fab Frosh is an excellent showcase. We know of two kids who went last year and within a two week period got contacts to prospect camps and invitations to visit. Very good communication with coaches from within the showcase. Must have been at least 25 schools there evaluating. By invitation only.


I trust this person's opinion but I have heard more mixed feedback. A lot of kids, mixed talent level. If you kid ia already going to Jake Reed and/or Maverick Showcase, probably not worth it. If not, I would go.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/15/13 12:53 PM
Just got my invite to Fab Frosh and trying to decide as well. Were on the fence because of the all other summer crap going on. Dont know much about it, but I have heard good things.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/15/13 02:35 PM
Pulled the below direct from 3d as you can see most region/postion/grade combinations remain open - well past the September notification date - including 2018 where the only way into Jake Reed is via 3d

2017 attack is the only position full across all regions and overall 2017 seems to be the class with the filled spots

MIDWEST Attack Defense/LSM FOGO Goalie Midfield
2015 Open Open Open Open Open
2016 Full Open Open Full Open
2017 Full Open Open Open Full
2018 Open Open Open Open Open

WEST Attack Defense/LSM FOGO Goalie Midfield
2015 Open Open Open Open Open
2016 Open Full Open Open Open
2017 Full Full Open Full Open
2018 Open Open Open Open Open

SOUTH Attack Defense/LSM FOGO Goalie Midfield
2016 Open Open Open Full Open
2017 Full Open Open Open Open
2018 Open Open Open Open Open

MID-ATLANTIC Attack Defense/LSM FOGO Goalie Midfield
2016 Open Open Open Open Open
2017 Full Open Open Open Open
2018 Open Open Open Open Open

NORTHEAST Attack Defense/LSM FOGO Goalie Midfield
2015 Open Open Open Open Open
2016 Open Open Open Open Open
2017 Full Open Open Open Open
2018 Open Open Open Open Open

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
if they are having a difficult time filling all the Florida slots, this will delay sending direct summer invites. They need to ensure their profits in florida before telling boys they do not need to come.

If you go on the 3d website application page it shows that every position still has open splots at the 2017 age group


Applications for 3d Blue Chip are way down - saw a 3d tweet where over 1000 had signed up - 5 regions, 120 per class, 4 classes = 2400 slots and I know there a few rising senior spots so it is probably closer to 2500 slots.

I would bet the 2018 is full, and then it declines from there.


Jake Reed is a money grab and overrated. I got a bad taste when I recieved an email asking for 75$ to watch a highlight video! Are they for real? Many other high quality showcases out there noticing and commiting kids to top D1 programs. Maverick Showtime is a much better showcase if you can get an invite. I wonder who these magic 60 invites go to? Kids of well connected daddys, I assume!


I bet there's alot more than 60 2017's waiting for their invite first, before they go the 3d route. If JR released the direct invites, then there will be a mad rush for 3d action. Just saying...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/15/13 09:44 PM
Sorry to beat a dead horse, but just want an update if anyone's kids (2017s) have received a direct invite (not 3D Blue chip) to Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip for the upcoming summer? Were suppossed to be out awhile ago.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/16/13 12:20 AM
When does Long Island Sting 2017 Team have tryouts?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/16/13 02:12 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sorry to beat a dead horse, but just want an update if anyone's kids (2017s) have received a direct invite (not 3D Blue chip) to Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip for the upcoming summer? Were suppossed to be out awhile ago.


Haven't heard of anyone getting one yet
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/16/13 11:28 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sorry to beat a dead horse, but just want an update if anyone's kids (2017s) have received a direct invite (not 3D Blue chip) to Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip for the upcoming summer? Were suppossed to be out awhile ago.


Omg the amount of people on here panicking about little Johnny's invite to Jake Reed is comical. Dont worry yourself too much, as soon as the invites are out I'm sure all the self absorbed dads living vicariously through their kids will post letting everyone know that their little Johnny was invited. Take a breath, if he doesnt get an invite the world will still rotate
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/16/13 01:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sorry to beat a dead horse, but just want an update if anyone's kids (2017s) have received a direct invite (not 3D Blue chip) to Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip for the upcoming summer? Were suppossed to be out awhile ago.


Omg the amount of people on here panicking about little Johnny's invite to Jake Reed is comical. Dont worry yourself too much, as soon as the invites are out I'm sure all the self absorbed dads living vicariously through their kids will post letting everyone know that their little Johnny was invited. Take a breath, if he doesnt get an invite the world will still rotate
You are one of the most condescending, negative, glass half full people out there. Maybe people just want to know if others have heard as it is a lot of money to have to go through 3D Blue Chip (cost of event, airfaire, hotel) to get to Jake Reed. Is that living through your kid or economic reality? I do realize a family chould chose to bag it all together if cost was a big issue, but just asking. Don't need the d-bag response you have to everything, Little Johnny.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/16/13 03:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sorry to beat a dead horse, but just want an update if anyone's kids (2017s) have received a direct invite (not 3D Blue chip) to Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip for the upcoming summer? Were suppossed to be out awhile ago.


Omg the amount of people on here panicking about little Johnny's invite to Jake Reed is comical. Dont worry yourself too much, as soon as the invites are out I'm sure all the self absorbed dads living vicariously through their kids will post letting everyone know that their little Johnny was invited. Take a breath, if he doesnt get an invite the world will still rotate
You are one of the most condescending, negative, glass half full people out there. Maybe people just want to know if others have heard as it is a lot of money to have to go through 3D Blue Chip (cost of event, airfaire, hotel) to get to Jake Reed. Is that living through your kid or economic reality? I do realize a family chould chose to bag it all together if cost was a big issue, but just asking. Don't need the d-bag response you have to everything, Little Johnny.


Wow, D-Bag, lol. Did you think of that yourself? Take a look at this thread and see how many posts there are about the Jake Reed invites going out. Also look at the post describing the open slots at 3D Blue Chip. If you know anything about lacrosse and how it works at this level you would know that to get a direct invite to Jake Reed you pretty much need to have a coach with some juice recommend your kid. Pretty much every kid that's going to get a direct invite is aware that they will be getting one. If there's a question in your mind then Little Johnny is probably not getting an invite.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/16/13 04:57 PM
Heres a dose of reality for all you "wheres my Jake Reed invite " people

http://lacrosserecruits.com/news/featured/numbers-game-on-the-realities-of-lacrosse-recruiting/

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/16/13 05:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Heres a dose of reality for all you "wheres my Jake Reed invite " people

http://lacrosserecruits.com/news/featured/numbers-game-on-the-realities-of-lacrosse-recruiting/



Thanks genius. No one knew any of this and the world is falling...Go have a drink, something to make you happier.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/16/13 07:31 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Heres a dose of reality for all you "wheres my Jake Reed invite " people

http://lacrosserecruits.com/news/featured/numbers-game-on-the-realities-of-lacrosse-recruiting/



Thanks genius. No one knew any of this and the world is falling...Go have a drink, something to make you happier.


Judging by the posts on this site its pretty apparent that noone does know any of this and they think the world is falling because their son didnt get a Jake Reed invite. Thanks but I am quite happy reading all these ridiculous posts from delusional parents
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/16/13 08:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Heres a dose of reality for all you "wheres my Jake Reed invite " people

http://lacrosserecruits.com/news/featured/numbers-game-on-the-realities-of-lacrosse-recruiting/



Thanks genius. No one knew any of this and the world is falling...Go have a drink, something to make you happier.



Judging by the posts on this site its pretty apparent that noone does know any of this and they think the world is falling because their son didnt get a Jake Reed invite. Thanks but I am quite happy reading all these ridiculous posts from delusional parents


Got another reminder to register for 3d Jake Reed today. They must be hurting.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/17/13 12:11 PM
Easy there tough guy. These 'dads' are deserved an answer after this long process that started in Florida in January and continued into July in Marylnd. It shouldn't take four months to send out invites. And by the way, don't pretend you are so above all of this. You are obviously pretty concerned about your little 'Johnny' if your surfing BOTC early in the morning. Please spare us the snarky comments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sorry to beat a dead horse, but just want an update if anyone's kids (2017s) have received a direct invite (not 3D Blue chip) to Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip for the upcoming summer? Were suppossed to be out awhile ago.


Omg the amount of people on here panicking about little Johnny's invite to Jake Reed is comical. Dont worry yourself too much, as soon as the invites are out I'm sure all the self absorbed dads living vicariously through their kids will post letting everyone know that their little Johnny was invited. Take a breath, if he doesnt get an invite the world will still rotate
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/17/13 03:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Easy there tough guy. These 'dads' are deserved an answer after this long process that started in Florida in January and continued into July in Marylnd. It shouldn't take four months to send out invites. And by the way, don't pretend you are so above all of this. You are obviously pretty concerned about your little 'Johnny' if your surfing BOTC early in the morning. Please spare us the snarky comments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sorry to beat a dead horse, but just want an update if anyone's kids (2017s) have received a direct invite (not 3D Blue chip) to Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip for the upcoming summer? Were suppossed to be out awhile ago.


Omg the amount of people on here panicking about little Johnny's invite to Jake Reed is comical. Dont worry yourself too much, as soon as the invites are out I'm sure all the self absorbed dads living vicariously through their kids will post letting everyone know that their little Johnny was invited. Take a breath, if he doesnt get an invite the world will still rotate
Agree, the guy should be outlawed from the board. Condescending, negatoid about everything.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/18/13 01:56 PM
Easy there tough guy. These 'dads' are deserved an answer after this long process that started in Florida in January and continued into July in Marylnd. It shouldn't take four months to send out invites. And by the way, don't pretend you are so above all of this. You are obviously pretty concerned about your little 'Johnny' if your surfing BOTC early in the morning. Please spare us the snarky comments.

Call Jake Reed and explain to him how you "deserve" an answer. Good luck with that and let me know how that turns out......unreal

I dont think anyone is stating they are above anything. I myself am realistic about my kid and his place, not really too worried about Jake Reed invites, the whole lacrosse world doesnt revolve around it. Plenty of other places to play and showcase your kid. If your kid is that good he doesnt need Jake Reed, colleges will find him
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/18/13 04:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Easy there tough guy. These 'dads' are deserved an answer after this long process that started in Florida in January and continued into July in Marylnd. It shouldn't take four months to send out invites. And by the way, don't pretend you are so above all of this. You are obviously pretty concerned about your little 'Johnny' if your surfing BOTC early in the morning. Please spare us the snarky comments.

Call Jake Reed and explain to him how you "deserve" an answer. Good luck with that and let me know how that turns out......unreal

I dont think anyone is stating they are above anything. I myself am realistic about my kid and his place, not really too worried about Jake Reed invites, the whole lacrosse world doesnt revolve around it. Plenty of other places to play and showcase your kid. If your kid is that good he doesnt need Jake Reed, colleges will find him


And... if your kid "IS" that good, he'll be invited to JR and everything else.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/18/13 07:20 PM
Don't you guys get tired arguing about whose kid is better?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/18/13 09:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't you guys get tired arguing whose 14 year old boy is better? I've never seen such chest bumping/name calling over a kid's sport.


Nope... silly question.


Asked and answered back on 9/16/13. This is a recurring question on this forum. I would think it no longer matters.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/18/13 10:29 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Easy there tough guy. These 'dads' are deserved an answer after this long process that started in Florida in January and continued into July in Marylnd. It shouldn't take four months to send out invites. And by the way, don't pretend you are so above all of this. You are obviously pretty concerned about your little 'Johnny' if your surfing BOTC early in the morning. Please spare us the snarky comments.

Call Jake Reed and explain to him how you "deserve" an answer. Good luck with that and let me know how that turns out......unreal

I dont think anyone is stating they are above anything. I myself am realistic about my kid and his place, not really too worried about Jake Reed invites, the whole lacrosse world doesnt revolve around it. Plenty of other places to play and showcase your kid. If your kid is that good he doesnt need Jake Reed, colleges will find him


And... if your kid "IS" that good, he'll be invited to JR and everything else.


Amen to that ^ Brother!!
So many dudes wondering what if and then diminishing the positive aspect of being invited to all of the showcases. My kids lucky. He was blessed with a little innate ability and maximized the coaching and games/tournament experiences thus far and has been invited to all of the "major?" Showcases. Hopefully JR will be on his list as well. If not; he is not doing 3D again. Gotta give him a break. These kids really need to have some fun away from lax.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/19/13 02:23 AM
Yes, the Maverik Showtime for next summer have gone out (for 2017s) as well as the Jake Reed fall invites.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/22/13 04:38 PM
Just got Outlaws 2017 Black
Nov 3rd legacy Boston
Nov 9th uplax Baltimore
Nov 10th NSCLA Baltimore
Nov 16th 3d Baltimore
Nov 24th NXT Invitational PA
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/23/13 11:42 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just got Outlaws 2017 Black
Nov 3rd legacy Boston
Nov 9th uplax Baltimore
Nov 10th NSCLA Baltimore
Nov 16th 3d Baltimore
Nov 24th NXT Invitational PA


They should garner 2, maybe 3 wins total in those 5 tournaments
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/23/13 01:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just got Outlaws 2017 Black
Nov 3rd legacy Boston
Nov 9th uplax Baltimore
Nov 10th NSCLA Baltimore
Nov 16th 3d Baltimore
Nov 24th NXT Invitational PA


They should garner 2, maybe 3 wins total in those 5 tournaments


I have no idea how accurate your prediction is, I'm just wondering what you are basing it on.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/23/13 01:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just got Outlaws 2017 Black
Nov 3rd legacy Boston
Nov 9th uplax Baltimore
Nov 10th NSCLA Baltimore
Nov 16th 3d Baltimore
Nov 24th NXT Invitational PA


They should garner 2, maybe 3 wins total in those 5 tournaments


why so obnoxious? someone asked where the LI teams were playing
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/23/13 01:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just got Outlaws 2017 Black
Nov 3rd legacy Boston
Nov 9th uplax Baltimore
Nov 10th NSCLA Baltimore
Nov 16th 3d Baltimore
Nov 24th NXT Invitational PA


They should garner 2, maybe 3 wins total in those 5 tournaments


I have no idea how accurate your prediction is, I'm just wondering what you are basing it on.


Why would you even ask what this moron is basing his prediction on? Who cares what he predicts or thinks? It is just going to open up a conversation for grown men to bash 14/15 yr olds.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/23/13 01:35 PM
Just wait and see MR 91 IDIOT
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/23/13 02:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just wait and see MR 91 IDIOT


WOW! Sorry, but this "91 IDIOT" is the one sticking up for the Outlaw boys.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/23/13 03:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just got Outlaws 2017 Black
Nov 3rd legacy Boston
Nov 9th uplax Baltimore
Nov 10th NSCLA Baltimore
Nov 16th 3d Baltimore
Nov 24th NXT Invitational PA


They should garner 2, maybe 3 wins total in those 5 tournaments


The amount of WINS doesn't mean anything at this age for all 2017 teams, its about getting noticed by the colleges. Learn the process before you talk stupid.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/23/13 03:51 PM
looks like a Good Schedule
What are 91,Express,Team LI, jesters,fl$,and True B Doing
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/23/13 04:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just got Outlaws 2017 Black
Nov 3rd legacy Boston
Nov 9th uplax Baltimore
Nov 10th NSCLA Baltimore
Nov 16th 3d Baltimore
Nov 24th NXT Invitational PA


They should garner 2, maybe 3 wins total in those 5 tournaments


Exactly! College coaches don't care who wins. They're looking for talented players. Good job by Outlaws placing the team in high profile tournaments.

The amount of WINS doesn't mean anything at this age for all 2017 teams, its about getting noticed by the colleges. Learn the process before you talk stupid.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/23/13 04:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous

The amount of WINS doesn't mean anything at this age for all 2017 teams, its about getting noticed by the colleges. Learn the process before you talk stupid.


A famous Herm Edwards quote: "You play to win the game!"
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/23/13 05:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

The amount of WINS doesn't mean anything at this age for all 2017 teams, its about getting noticed by the colleges. Learn the process before you talk stupid.


A famous Herm Edwards quote: "You play to win the game!"


And look where that got him.....at the 2017 age, you are looking to get exposure to college coaches, not necessarily win. Teams should be shooting for getting the boys exposure, which generally means equal playing time so all boys have an opporutnity to be seen.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/23/13 05:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
looks like a Good Schedule
What are 91,Express,Team LI, jesters,fl$,and True B Doing


fl$ is doing:

11/10 Harvard Fall HS Recruiting Tournament
11/16 and 17 3d in MD
11/24 NXT Philly Freshmen Invitational
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/23/13 05:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

The amount of WINS doesn't mean anything at this age for all 2017 teams, its about getting noticed by the colleges. Learn the process before you talk stupid.


A famous Herm Edwards quote: "You play to win the game!"


I love Herm Edwards but in regards to this, "You play to win a slot on a college roster"
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/23/13 07:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

The amount of WINS doesn't mean anything at this age for all 2017 teams, its about getting noticed by the colleges. Learn the process before you talk stupid.


A famous Herm Edwards quote: "You play to win the game!"


I love Herm Edwards but in regards to this, "You play to win a slot on a college roster"


You must be joking about not playing to win. It's not a scrimmage like college fall ball where everyone plays and no score is kept. New flash - it's called a game and if you want your son on a team that doesn't play to win then why bother playing summer lax at all. Save your money and your time. You should find another, less competitive, way to showcase your sons playing ability.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/23/13 08:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous

And look where that got him.....


Where did that attitude get Herm? To a good career in the NFL then success as a NFL head coach and now a lucrative broadcasting job. Not bad......
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/23/13 09:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

The amount of WINS doesn't mean anything at this age for all 2017 teams, its about getting noticed by the colleges. Learn the process before you talk stupid.


A famous Herm Edwards quote: "You play to win the game!"

Herm Edwards was a decent football player, awful coach, and is dreadful on ESPN. You need to figure it out for your son. The posters are 100 percent right. College coaches care nothing of scores. In fact, many coaches are showing more interest in individual showcase events. Kids on random teams, a true representation of lax IQ and skill sets. I assure you, they really don't care about the score of showcase games. I will give you that coaches do check out teams that are winning a lot at a tournament, to see what the buzz is all about. However, if your son is not a major contributor on such a team, it could actually hurt him.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/23/13 09:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

The amount of WINS doesn't mean anything at this age for all 2017 teams, its about getting noticed by the colleges. Learn the process before you talk stupid.


A famous Herm Edwards quote: "You play to win the game!"

Herm Edwards was a decent football player, awful coach, and is dreadful on ESPN. You need to figure it out for your son. The posters are 100 percent right. College coaches care nothing of scores. In fact, many coaches are showing more interest in individual showcase events. Kids on random teams, a true representation of lax IQ and skill sets. I assure you, they really don't care about the score of showcase games. I will give you that coaches do check out teams that are winning a lot at a tournament, to see what the buzz is all about. However, if your son is not a major contributor on such a team, it could actually hurt him.
If anyone takes the time to search the internet, look for the Herm Edwards keynote address at the US Lacrosse National Conference from two years back. Watch the video of his presentation and then argue about the applicability of his lessons to youth sports. If you believe that he was an awful coach, perhaps we need to rethink what "coaching" is all about.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/23/13 09:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

The amount of WINS doesn't mean anything at this age for all 2017 teams, its about getting noticed by the colleges. Learn the process before you talk stupid.


A famous Herm Edwards quote: "You play to win the game!"


I love Herm Edwards but in regards to this, "You play to win a slot on a college roster"


You must be joking about not playing to win. It's not a scrimmage like college fall ball where everyone plays and no score is kept. New flash - it's called a game and if you want your son on a team that doesn't play to win then why bother playing summer lax at all. Save your money and your time. You should find another, less competitive, way to showcase your sons playing ability.


Wow. You are a really uninformed dope! You think a college coach cares who won the game? They are looking at individual effort. You certainly want to be on a competitive team but winning means zero!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/23/13 11:03 PM
FIREBALL COMMING
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/23/13 11:32 PM
Not one person said they are not playing to win. The point is that it doesn't matter who wins as long as you are competitive and you showcase your talents. College coaches rarely stay for a whole game and they really don't care what the score is.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/24/13 01:10 AM
Anyone know how good Millon Force is going to be?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/24/13 02:52 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

The amount of WINS doesn't mean anything at this age for all 2017 teams, its about getting noticed by the colleges. Learn the process before you talk stupid.


A famous Herm Edwards quote: "You play to win the game!"


I love Herm Edwards but in regards to this, "You play to win a slot on a college roster"


You must be joking about not playing to win. It's not a scrimmage like college fall ball where everyone plays and no score is kept. New flash - it's called a game and if you want your son on a team that doesn't play to win then why bother playing summer lax at all. Save your money and your time. You should find another, less competitive, way to showcase your sons playing ability.


Wow. You are a really uninformed dope! You think a college coach cares who won the game? They are looking at individual effort. You certainly want to be on a competitive team but winning means zero!!!


The uninformed dope said nothing about coaches and their style of watching. He did, however, state the facts with regard to the previous poster wanting every kid to have equal playing time so the college coaches can see his kid who obviously isn't an impact player on that team. I actually agree that the coaches could care less on the score; but they WILL be at the championship games so I guess your team has to win SOMETIMES to get to that game. I'm not sure what the college coaches care the least about - what team wins OR the second and third lines. ouch..
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/24/13 02:55 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

The amount of WINS doesn't mean anything at this age for all 2017 teams, its about getting noticed by the colleges. Learn the process before you talk stupid.


A famous Herm Edwards quote: "You play to win the game!"


And look where that got him.....at the 2017 age, you are looking to get exposure to college coaches, not necessarily win. Teams should be shooting for getting the boys exposure, which generally means equal playing time so all boys have an opporutnity to be seen.


equal playing time?? how funny would it be if every kid had a turn playing the lead role in their hs musical? Thanks for making me laugh.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/24/13 03:05 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not one person said they are not playing to win. The point is that it doesn't matter who wins as long as you are competitive and you showcase your talents. College coaches rarely stay for a whole game and they really don't care what the score is.


PRESUMABLY....

winning teams go further in tourneys - leads to
playing against incredible competition - leads to
more exposure to college coaches there watching both teams - leads to
potential top tier colleges

and I forgot to mention that the teams that win a lot, for the most part, have coaches that can pick up a phone and contact most colleges coaches BECAUSE of having teams that win.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/24/13 10:51 AM
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

The amount of WINS doesn't mean anything at this age for all 2017 teams, its about getting noticed by the colleges. Learn the process before you talk stupid.


A famous Herm Edwards quote: "You play to win the game!"

Herm Edwards was a decent football player, awful coach, and is dreadful on ESPN. You need to figure it out for your son. The posters are 100 percent right. College coaches care nothing of scores. In fact, many coaches are showing more interest in individual showcase events. Kids on random teams, a true representation of lax IQ and skill sets. I assure you, they really don't care about the score of showcase games. I will give you that coaches do check out teams that are winning a lot at a tournament, to see what the buzz is all about. However, if your son is not a major contributor on such a team, it could actually hurt him.
If anyone takes the time to search the internet, look for the Herm Edwards keynote address at the US Lacrosse National Conference from two years back. Watch the video of his presentation and then argue about the applicability of his lessons to youth sports. If you believe that he was an awful coach, perhaps we need to rethink what "coaching" is all about.

Did you see what he did with the jets? KC? Just because he memorized a speech, most likely written by someone else, and delivered it, still doesn't make him a good coach. There's a guy in DC right now that delivers great speeches too... have you taken a look at the country lately? Need I say more...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/24/13 11:12 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know how good Millon Force is going to be?


Last year they were terrible and 4 out of there 5 best players didn't come back. Tryout talent looked very weak on offense and in goal.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/24/13 12:10 PM
Lol at best C teams. They get beat up pretty good in B level tournaments.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/24/13 01:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
PRESUMABLY....

winning teams go further in tourneys - leads to
playing against incredible competition - leads to
more exposure to college coaches there watching both teams - leads to
potential top tier colleges

and I forgot to mention that the teams that win a lot, for the most part, have coaches that can pick up a phone and contact most colleges coaches BECAUSE of having teams that win.
Expecting more exposure to college coaches since they are watching both teams demonstrates a misunderstanding of the recruiting process.

College coaches attend games to which they are both invited and where they have particular players that they have been invited to see. College coaches do not randomly show up at a youth game, championship or otherwise, hoping to just pick up a couple of players cold.

Planning your recruiting cycle on the premise that a coach will just notice your son (or daughter) because they have made a tournament finals will lead to failure. Researching your Top Ten Academic and Top Ten Athletic choices, writing to those coaches, and tracking their attendance at your games, championships or otherwise, will yield higher quality results.

Also, your correlation that only winning club coaches can contact college coaches is clearly an error. For every winning team, there is a losing team on the national or regional stage. Certainly, college coaches will recruit from both pools simply because they are recruiting players not teams. Think about it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/24/13 01:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

The amount of WINS doesn't mean anything at this age for all 2017 teams, its about getting noticed by the colleges. Learn the process before you talk stupid.


A famous Herm Edwards quote: "You play to win the game!"


And look where that got him.....at the 2017 age, you are looking to get exposure to college coaches, not necessarily win. Teams should be shooting for getting the boys exposure, which generally means equal playing time so all boys have an opporutnity to be seen.


At the 2017 age the boys should be focusing on gettng better and getting good grades. For most, it is too early for colleges to take notice.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/24/13 01:48 PM
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
PRESUMABLY....

winning teams go further in tourneys - leads to
playing against incredible competition - leads to
more exposure to college coaches there watching both teams - leads to
potential top tier colleges

and I forgot to mention that the teams that win a lot, for the most part, have coaches that can pick up a phone and contact most colleges coaches BECAUSE of having teams that win.
Expecting more exposure to college coaches since they are watching both teams demonstrates a misunderstanding of the recruiting process.

College coaches attend games to which they are both invited and where they have particular players that they have been invited to see. College coaches do not randomly show up at a youth game, championship or otherwise, hoping to just pick up a couple of players cold.

Planning your recruiting cycle on the premise that a coach will just notice your son (or daughter) because they have made a tournament finals will lead to failure. Researching your Top Ten Academic and Top Ten Athletic choices, writing to those coaches, and tracking their attendance at your games, championships or otherwise, will yield higher quality results.

Also, your correlation that only winning club coaches can contact college coaches is clearly an error. For every winning team, there is a losing team on the national or regional stage. Certainly, college coaches will recruit from both pools simply because they are recruiting players not teams. Think about it.


Actually, my son was noticed at a few different games by coaches who we did not contact as a Freshman. We didn't even know at the time that he should even be contacting coaches. From there we visited these schools and then accepted a great offer to a top D1 program. I know of other kids who had it happen the same way.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/24/13 02:05 PM
Many times a player is noticed because a good coaches eyes are wide open and catches a glimpse of another player either playing with or against a player the coach was initially looking at.

That has always happened and will always happen. Many times a player getting looked at has teammates just as deserving and garner interest by there support and play for the initial player. In addition, the player/s the intended player is covering/against is also by default being looking at. Both of those bring opportunities to players outside of the initial player.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
PRESUMABLY....

winning teams go further in tourneys - leads to
playing against incredible competition - leads to
more exposure to college coaches there watching both teams - leads to
potential top tier colleges

and I forgot to mention that the teams that win a lot, for the most part, have coaches that can pick up a phone and contact most colleges coaches BECAUSE of having teams that win.
Expecting more exposure to college coaches since they are watching both teams demonstrates a misunderstanding of the recruiting process.

College coaches attend games to which they are both invited and where they have particular players that they have been invited to see. College coaches do not randomly show up at a youth game, championship or otherwise, hoping to just pick up a couple of players cold.

Planning your recruiting cycle on the premise that a coach will just notice your son (or daughter) because they have made a tournament finals will lead to failure. Researching your Top Ten Academic and Top Ten Athletic choices, writing to those coaches, and tracking their attendance at your games, championships or otherwise, will yield higher quality results.

Also, your correlation that only winning club coaches can contact college coaches is clearly an error. For every winning team, there is a losing team on the national or regional stage. Certainly, college coaches will recruit from both pools simply because they are recruiting players not teams. Think about it.


Actually, my son was noticed at a few different games by coaches who we did not contact as a Freshman. We didn't even know at the time that he should even be contacting coaches. From there we visited these schools and then accepted a great offer to a top D1 program. I know of other kids who had it happen the same way.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/24/13 02:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

The amount of WINS doesn't mean anything at this age for all 2017 teams, its about getting noticed by the colleges. Learn the process before you talk stupid.


A famous Herm Edwards quote: "You play to win the game!"


And look where that got him.....at the 2017 age, you are looking to get exposure to college coaches, not necessarily win. Teams should be shooting for getting the boys exposure, which generally means equal playing time so all boys have an opporutnity to be seen.


equal playing time?? how funny would it be if every kid had a turn playing the lead role in their hs musical? Thanks for making me laugh.



You just don't get it. It's a recruiting showcase! Everyone gets seen.
It's like the audition for your musical!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/24/13 03:04 PM
Please List the fall tournaments that are the Real top recruiting, that play to a champion.
I believe it is ZERO
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/24/13 04:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

The amount of WINS doesn't mean anything at this age for all 2017 teams, its about getting noticed by the colleges. Learn the process before you talk stupid.


A famous Herm Edwards quote: "You play to win the game!"


And look where that got him.....at the 2017 age, you are looking to get exposure to college coaches, not necessarily win. Teams should be shooting for getting the boys exposure, which generally means equal playing time so all boys have an opporutnity to be seen.


equal playing time?? how funny would it be if every kid had a turn playing the lead role in their hs musical? Thanks for making me laugh.



You just don't get it. It's a recruiting showcase! Everyone gets seen.
It's like the audition for your musical!


Great analogy. Many teams when hitting the recruiting trail tell their players "if you feel you're not getting enough play time or a short shift, let us (coaches) know we'll make sure you get time". Also, teams will give players more time even over more skilled players when they know a coach is there to see a specific player. Why would any parent pay to be on a team, regardless of how good it is, if the kid is not playing in front of the coaches? It's all about playing good competition and playing time. It's about getting exposure in front of the college coaches. This is why you're seeing more and more growth in the individual showcases and college specific prospect and clinic days. If you're worried about W-L, go to the 2020-2022 threads, seems like you're more in tune with that crowd.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/24/13 06:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

The amount of WINS doesn't mean anything at this age for all 2017 teams, its about getting noticed by the colleges. Learn the process before you talk stupid.


A famous Herm Edwards quote: "You play to win the game!"


And look where that got him.....at the 2017 age, you are looking to get exposure to college coaches, not necessarily win. Teams should be shooting for getting the boys exposure, which generally means equal playing time so all boys have an opporutnity to be seen.


equal playing time?? how funny would it be if every kid had a turn playing the lead role in their hs musical? Thanks for making me laugh.



You just don't get it. It's a recruiting showcase! Everyone gets seen.
It's like the audition for your musical!


Great analogy. Many teams when hitting the recruiting trail tell their players "if you feel you're not getting enough play time or a short shift, let us (coaches) know we'll make sure you get time". Also, teams will give players more time even over more skilled players when they know a coach is there to see a specific player. Why would any parent pay to be on a team, regardless of how good it is, if the kid is not playing in front of the coaches? It's all about playing good competition and playing time. It's about getting exposure in front of the college coaches. This is why you're seeing more and more growth in the individual showcases and college specific prospect and clinic days. If you're worried about W-L, go to the 2020-2022 threads, seems like you're more in tune with that crowd.



You asked a good question that continues to baffle me. Why would parents pay $$ for Their kid to be on a team and not play. I seem to recall last year that was a big issue with some top teams. I somehow think they thought there was value being associated with the "top" instead of the b or c teams. I also think of summer tourneys as tourneys. They are not showcases. That word is thrown around way too much and it could confuse the simple minds.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/24/13 09:43 PM
We all know the top a division teams like express 91 true blue fl$ jesters outlaws etc.

but what are the top b division teams for 2017?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/24/13 11:51 PM
Question, and a serious one. With all the showcases, recruiting camps and "all star" games that will go on next summer. How important are these travel team tournaments ?

There is a packed summer, just with camps and showcases.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/25/13 01:00 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Please List the fall tournaments that are the Real top recruiting, that play to a champion.
I believe it is ZERO

FYI that's an NCAA regulation
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/25/13 01:02 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
We all know the top a division teams like express 91 true blue fl$ jesters outlaws etc.

but what are the top b division teams for 2017?

Jesters a top A team? That's hysterical!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/25/13 12:29 PM
Having gone through it with my older son, when you go to individual showcases or prospect camps, players are randomly divided up on different teams, some teams happen to be a lot stronger than others. No one is watching the scoreboard, they are watching the individuals. (Ironically, defensemen love being on the weaker teams because they see a lot more action.) Ahead of the fall (individual and team) showcases, coaches have a 'watchlist' of players based on profile questionaires, discussions w/ club coaches, maybe Brine or Jake Reed, etc. Although everyone will get a look, coaches do have several kids on their radar that they plan on watching first.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not one person said they are not playing to win. The point is that it doesn't matter who wins as long as you are competitive and you showcase your talents. College coaches rarely stay for a whole game and they really don't care what the score is.


PRESUMABLY....

winning teams go further in tourneys - leads to
playing against incredible competition - leads to
more exposure to college coaches there watching both teams - leads to
potential top tier colleges

and I forgot to mention that the teams that win a lot, for the most part, have coaches that can pick up a phone and contact most colleges coaches BECAUSE of having teams that win.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/25/13 01:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
We all know the top a division teams like express 91 true blue fl$ jesters outlaws etc.

but what are the top b division teams for 2017?

Jesters a top A team? That's hysterical!


I guess your son is already committed to Johns Hopkins? Jesters are fine, they were very competitive at the A level last summer, pretty even with Outlaws and fl$ and gave 91 Orange a decent run at the LI Lax fest. Let me guess what team your son is on? Whats actually hysterical is how you actually think any of this actually matters, get a life.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/28/13 01:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]We all know the top a division teams like express 91 true blue fl$ jesters outlaws etc.

but what are the top b division teams for 2017?

Jesters a top A team? That's hysterical!


I guess your son is already committed to Johns Hopkins? Jesters are fine, they were very competitive at the A level last summer, pretty even with Outlaws and fl$ and gave 91 Orange a decent run at the LI Lax fest. Let me guess what team your son is on? Whats actually hysterical is how you actually think any of this actually matters, get a life.



Jesters also gave True Blue a good game in the JDF. Couldn't control that one midfielder ,otherwise very close game. Good things to come this year.


Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/29/13 03:28 AM
stop saying colleges dont care... cause if you cant win, your club's players won't be seen in the first place.... no tourny invite... get it??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/29/13 01:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
stop saying colleges dont care... cause if you cant win, your club's players won't be seen in the first place.... no tourny invite... get it??



THEY DON'T CARE.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/29/13 01:35 PM
Any mailed invites yet for JR summer 2014 showcase?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/29/13 02:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
stop saying colleges dont care... cause if you cant win, your club's players won't be seen in the first place.... no tourny invite... get it??



THEY DON'T CARE.
You two are like two ships passing in the night. You are both probably correct. Coaches don't care about the actual score or record of a team but they do care about seeing kids play against the best competition (e.g., the other best kids). This can only happen if the team does well overall or has a great reputation and can make it to the most competitive tournaments. I can tell you first hand, for example, coaches will watch Crabs play Dukes.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/29/13 04:50 PM
Terrapin Classic Tournament this weekend for 2017s: some good teams and competition. From LI: Team 91, LI Express, NJ: Leading Edge, MD: Madlax, FCA,Rock Elite, Breakers ,West coast: West Coast Starz, Philly: Dukes, Freedom, NXT. Great exposure and great competition.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/29/13 04:50 PM
Or maybe they are both wrong

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
stop saying colleges dont care... cause if you cant win, your club's players won't be seen in the first place.... no tourny invite... get it??



THEY DON'T CARE.
You two are like two ships passing in the night. You are both probably correct. Coaches don't care about the actual score or record of a team but they do care about seeing kids play against the best competition (e.g., the other best kids). This can only happen if the team does well overall or has a great reputation and can make it to the most competitive tournaments. I can tell you first hand, for example, coaches will watch Crabs play Dukes.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/30/13 08:45 PM
Sick and tired of people trying to mention the Jesters in the same sentence as 91 orange and True Blue..that is completely false the jesters did not do anything against Tb and 91 orange handled them easily..
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/30/13 09:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Terrapin Classic Tournament this weekend for 2017s: some good teams and competition. From LI: Team 91, LI Express, NJ: Leading Edge, MD: Madlax, FCA,Rock Elite, Breakers ,West coast: West Coast Starz, Philly: Dukes, Freedom, NXT. Great exposure and great competition.


Most of the top teams and D1 coaches will be at Quakerfest in philly
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/30/13 10:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sick and tired of people trying to mention the Jesters in the same sentence as 91 orange and True Blue..that is completely false the jesters did not do anything against Tb and 91 orange handled them easily..


91 orange won by 3 over Jesters at LI laxfest. If you want you can call that easily go ahead. You may be sick and tired, but true. As many of the kids are friends, they all thought a good game.

Last year, move on. All teams this year start with many new players, and even with that who really gives a s..t. The kids are high school players now, time to let them grow up, youth lacrosse is over.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/30/13 11:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Terrapin Classic Tournament this weekend for 2017s: some good teams and competition. From LI: Team 91, LI Express, NJ: Leading Edge, MD: Madlax, FCA,Rock Elite, Breakers ,West coast: West Coast Starz, Philly: Dukes, Freedom, NXT. Great exposure and great competition.


Most of the top teams and D1 coaches will be at Quakerfest in philly
that is for 2015s and 2016s. Best 2017 teams are going to the tournament above - see Dukes, Team 91, LI Express, West Coast Starz, FCA, Leading Edge, etc. those are many of the best 2017 teams. Some other good one going to Cottle Classic.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 10/31/13 12:20 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Terrapin Classic Tournament this weekend for 2017s: some good teams and competition. From LI: Team 91, LI Express, NJ: Leading Edge, MD: Madlax, FCA,Rock Elite, Breakers ,West coast: West Coast Starz, Philly: Dukes, Freedom, NXT. Great exposure and great competition.


Most of the top teams and D1 coaches will be at Quakerfest in philly
that is for 2015s and 2016s. Best 2017 teams are going to the tournament above - see Dukes, Team 91, LI Express, West Coast Starz, FCA, Leading Edge, etc. those are many of the best 2017 teams. Some other good one going to Cottle Classic.


Which one is WM Gold Elite going to?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/01/13 04:19 PM
BBL Black 2017 out of New Jersey is a top team
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/01/13 07:04 PM
List of boys going to Philly was released.

By position
Attack: 56
Middies: 65
Defense: 43
LSM: 13
G: 16
Total 193

Teams with most attendees
3D 22
NXT 16
LIE 8
Team 91 8
Leading Edge 7

From these states
NY 44
PA 36
NJ 24
MA 23
CT 12
CA 8
MD 6
TX 5
Others 35

Interesting there so few are from MD and VA. It appears no one came from the Crabs and only three from Dukes

Schools (though the information is not as conclusive)
Episcopal Academy 8 (all from NXT and Dukes)
Brunswick 6 (NE Storm)
St. Anthony's 3 (LIE)
Chaminade 2 (fl$ & LIE)

And it wouldn't be appropriate not to mention something about the Turtles: I saw only 2 players going to Philly who were from those currently listed on the turtles' website. Yes, their roster has changed.

Let the analysis begin...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/02/13 01:15 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
List of boys going to Philly was released.

By position
Attack: 56
Middies: 65
Defense: 43
LSM: 13
G: 16
Total 193

Teams with most attendees
3D 22
NXT 16
LIE 8
Team 91 8
Leading Edge 7

From these states
NY 44
PA 36
NJ 24
MA 23
CT 12
CA 8
MD 6
TX 5
Others 35

Interesting there so few are from MD and VA. It appears no one came from the Crabs and only three from Dukes

Schools (though the information is not as conclusive)
Episcopal Academy 8 (all from NXT and Dukes)
Brunswick 6 (NE Storm)
St. Anthony's 3 (LIE)
Chaminade 2 (fl$ & LIE)

And it wouldn't be appropriate not to mention something about the Turtles: I saw only 2 players going to Philly who were from those currently listed on the turtles' website. Yes, their roster has changed.

Let the analysis begin...

There shouldn't be any turtles - the website says its only for current Sophomores and Juniors ie. 2015/2016. If there are 2017s on the list (I quickly flipped through and didn't see any 2017s) that means they are taking away opportunities for somebody else who the showcase is intended for.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/02/13 06:42 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
List of boys going to Philly was released.

By position
Attack: 56
Middies: 65
Defense: 43
LSM: 13
G: 16
Total 193

Teams with most attendees
3D 22
NXT 16
LIE 8
Team 91 8
Leading Edge 7

From these states
NY 44
PA 36
NJ 24
MA 23
CT 12
CA 8
MD 6
TX 5
Others 35

Interesting there so few are from MD and VA. It appears no one came from the Crabs and only three from Dukes

Schools (though the information is not as conclusive)
Episcopal Academy 8 (all from NXT and Dukes)
Brunswick 6 (NE Storm)
St. Anthony's 3 (LIE)
Chaminade 2 (fl$ & LIE)

And it wouldn't be appropriate not to mention something about the Turtles: I saw only 2 players going to Philly who were from those currently listed on the turtles' website. Yes, their roster has changed.

Let the analysis begin...

There shouldn't be any turtles - the website says its only for current Sophomores and Juniors ie. 2015/2016. If there are 2017s on the list (I quickly flipped through and didn't see any 2017s) that means they are taking away opportunities for somebody else who the showcase is intended for.



Pal, you got the wrong tourney. This one IS ONLY for 2017's.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/02/13 11:10 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
List of boys going to Philly was released.

By position
Attack: 56
Middies: 65
Defense: 43
LSM: 13
G: 16
Total 193

Teams with most attendees
3D 22
NXT 16
LIE 8
Team 91 8
Leading Edge 7

From these states
NY 44
PA 36
NJ 24
MA 23
CT 12
CA 8
MD 6
TX 5
Others 35

Interesting there so few are from MD and VA. It appears no one came from the Crabs and only three from Dukes

Schools (though the information is not as conclusive)
Episcopal Academy 8 (all from NXT and Dukes)
Brunswick 6 (NE Storm)
St. Anthony's 3 (LIE)
Chaminade 2 (fl$ & LIE)

And it wouldn't be appropriate not to mention something about the Turtles: I saw only 2 players going to Philly who were from those currently listed on the turtles' website. Yes, their roster has changed.

Let the analysis begin...

There shouldn't be any turtles - the website says its only for current Sophomores and Juniors ie. 2015/2016. If there are 2017s on the list (I quickly flipped through and didn't see any 2017s) that means they are taking away opportunities for somebody else who the showcase is intended for.


It's called the "FRESHMAN" Philly showcase....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/02/13 12:48 PM
I would suggest that the lack of large number of boys from any of the major lax schools means attendance at this showcase is largely driven by club coaches. Either that or boys from those schools don't feel like they need the exposure.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/02/13 01:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I would suggest that the lack of large number of boys from any of the major lax schools means attendance at this showcase is largely driven by club coaches. Either that or boys from those schools don't feel like they need the exposure.


Probably because most high school coaches focus is on the current 10th and 11th graders from a recruiting standpoint. Maybe havent even seen the rising 8th graders.
Club coaches are dedicated to their team and age group and can put in the effort for them at this age.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/02/13 04:11 PM
Does anyone know how many teams they will make from the 193 players?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/04/13 12:41 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anyone know how many teams they will make from the 193 players?
Terrapin Classic 2017s: Leading Edge over 91 5-4
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/04/13 01:48 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anyone know how many teams they will make from the 193 players?
Terrapin Classic 2017s: Leading Edge over 91 5-4

who else did 91 play?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/04/13 03:02 AM
What are you talking about, rising 8th graders at this point is 2019 - current 7th grade???

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I would suggest that the lack of large number of boys from any of the major lax schools means attendance at this showcase is largely driven by club coaches. Either that or boys from those schools don't feel like they need the exposure.


Probably because most high school coaches focus is on the current 10th and 11th graders from a recruiting standpoint. Maybe havent even seen the rising 8th graders.
Club coaches are dedicated to their team and age group and can put in the effort for them at this age.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/04/13 12:29 PM
HS Coaches can focus on whatever they want.

The fact is, College Coaches are looking at 2017's.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/04/13 12:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I would suggest that the lack of large number of boys from any of the major lax schools means attendance at this showcase is largely driven by club coaches. Either that or boys from those schools don't feel like they need the exposure.

OR the most obvious reason, they weren't INVITED. Philly individual Frosh Showcase is a INVITE only - pay attention.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/04/13 02:01 PM
This summer's US Lacrosse U15 national championship will be all the way out in Colorado. Is there any reason to try and qualify for this tournament?

From 2016/2017 the teams that went last year, was there any college coaching exposure?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/04/13 02:48 PM
Any other College talk besides the North Carolina Boys?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/04/13 02:51 PM
Seem to be other options that weekend. Besides Philly we have the Diamond Showcase in Maryland and Top 205 in Delaware. Why do these organizers do it on the same weekend?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/04/13 03:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What are you talking about, rising 8th graders at this point is 2019 - current 7th grade???

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I would suggest that the lack of large number of boys from any of the major lax schools means attendance at this showcase is largely driven by club coaches. Either that or boys from those schools don't feel like they need the exposure.


Probably because most high school coaches focus is on the current 10th and 11th graders from a recruiting standpoint. Maybe havent even seen the rising 8th graders.
Club coaches are dedicated to their team and age group and can put in the effort for them at this age.


2018 were rising 8th last summer when the last time the teams played....the new teams haven't played yet. A high school coach would have to have watched his 7th grade teams last summer to put in recommendations now for the class of 2018 or watch the middle school for the majority of the 2017 class. Not going to happen....that is why club teams need to do it.

Yes there is some early 2017 recruiting going on but the majority will occur starting next summer for the next 1 1/2 years for the bulk of the 2017 kids
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/04/13 04:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I would suggest that the lack of large number of boys from any of the major lax schools means attendance at this showcase is largely driven by club coaches. Either that or boys from those schools don't feel like they need the exposure.

OR the most obvious reason, they weren't INVITED. Philly individual Frosh Showcase is a INVITE only - pay attention.

While this is an invitation only event, you have to ask yourself how they get invited. Certainly not out of thin air. These kids are promoted by their club coaches. This fact addresses the issue in part of the value of participating in club teams.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/04/13 04:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes there is some early 2017 recruiting going on but the majority will occur starting next summer for the next 1 1/2 years for the bulk of the 2017 kids
The Class of 2017 will be getting some of their first looks at next weekend's K&J Athletics Red Storm Showcase-Clinic at St. John's University - more than 50 colleges are already confirmed for attendance.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/04/13 05:34 PM
I don't see much chatter, how did LI Express and Team 91 fare at the Terrapin Fall Classic? The lack of buzz tells me they didn't do so well
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/04/13 06:10 PM
Close to 100 coaches (and all of D1)will be at SWR Fall Classic at Farmingdale College on 11/24 (same weekend as Philly and Diamond). Best Long Island HS playing in this. Not club.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/04/13 07:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't see much chatter, how did LI Express and Team 91 fare at the Terrapin Fall Classic? The lack of buzz tells me they didn't do so well


Really? Recruiting guy, not about club team chest thumping. Go to the 2019 thread for that BS.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/04/13 09:14 PM
So all of the 63 Division 1 colleges will be at this Farmingdale Tournament on Nov 23/24?. I find that hard to believe the same weekend of the Philly Showcase, Diamond and Top 205?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/04/13 09:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Close to 100 coaches (and all of D1)will be at SWR Fall Classic at Farmingdale College on 11/24 (same weekend as Philly and Diamond). Best Long Island HS playing in this. Not club.


Clubs not invited, wouldn't expect them to be at SWR. Most of the HS teams don't include boys graduating in 2017. Colleges are starting to look at this class. If a 2017 boy wants to get noticed one place to be is Philly and the main way to get there is through club coach nominations, not HS coach nominations. HS coaches are focused on 206/15 and even if a 2017 boy was on a HS team, it's unlikely he would see much playing time. I'm sure this is a great recruiting venue, just for older kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/04/13 09:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't see much chatter, how did LI Express and Team 91 fare at the Terrapin Fall Classic? The lack of buzz tells me they didn't do so well


I think they both went 2-1 and every game was tight between all the 2017 teams there but WHO CARES? The chatter should be that the top D1 schools in the land were watching both 2017 club teams from 91 & Express, they were.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/05/13 02:13 AM
go to www.swrlax.com website and see the coaches who were there last year. expect even more this year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/05/13 03:01 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
go to www.swrlax.com website and see the coaches who were there last year. expect even more this year.


is there a 2017 bracket at SWR? how about a 2016?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/05/13 03:15 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't see much chatter, how did LI Express and Team 91 fare at the Terrapin Fall Classic? The lack of buzz tells me they didn't do so well


I think they both went 2-1 and every game was tight between all the 2017 teams there but WHO CARES? The chatter should be that the top D1 schools in the land were watching both 2017 club teams from 91 & Express, they were.


Express went 2-1, 91 went 1-2
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/06/13 03:42 PM
National Top 175 to be held on Nov 26th ath Mitchell field just anounced that D1coaches will not be attending!!! Apparently a letter went out telling them not to attend mid-week showcases. Dissapointing to many hoping for some first looks. Maybe the Red Storm showcase this weekend is another option? Just won't be the same caliber invite ony players.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/06/13 04:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
National Top 175 to be held on Nov 26th ath Mitchell field just anounced that D1coaches will not be attending!!! Apparently a letter went out telling them not to attend mid-week showcases. Dissapointing to many hoping for some first looks. Maybe the Red Storm showcase this weekend is another option? Just won't be the same caliber invite ony players.
Please share with the lacrosse community the letter that announces this change.

The NCAA Recruiting Calendar (posted on the College Forum) actually calls out that the recruiting Dead Period begins on Wednesday, November 27th for Division I coaches. This could either be a case of travel close to the deadline or a number of Division I cancellations.

Again, please share the letter.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/06/13 04:30 PM

GREETINGS TO EVERYONE ATTENDING THE NATIONAL INVITATIONAL 175 ON NOVEMBER 26TH, 2013 AT MITCHEL FIELD ON LONG ISLAND.



IMPORTANT DEVELOPMENTS Ė PLEASE READ



On Friday, November 1st, 2013, we learned that the IMLCA sent out a letter followed with direct emails to all the Division 1 and Division 2 coaches encouraging them NOT attend weekday showcases in November, including our November 26th showcase. While the NCAA clearly permits this showcase date as a contact period to do live recruiting, IMLCA stated that they urge all the D 1 and D 2 college coaches not to attend.



What is the IMLCA?



Intercollegiate Menís Lacrosse Coaches Association. This is not the NCAA.



Why did the IMLCA do this?



Apparently, the IMLCA membership voted to not have D 1 college coaches observe and recruit from November showcases if they occur on a public school day or weekday.



Does every D 1 college coach support the IMLCA and will each of them support this decision?



We do not know.



Does the NCAA allow college coaches to recruit on November 26th?



YES.



Since most prep schools, many private schools, and even possibly some public schools are actually off that day, and you told them that, why is IMLCA still encouraging D 1 college coaches not to attend our showcase?



We do not know.



Will there be D 3 college coaches there?



YES, many.



Will there be D 1 college coaches attending this showcase anyway?



Maybe, we do not know at this time.



Why did you list those college coaches as planning to attend on your site?



Simple, we spoke to them over the past 30 -60 days and they each told us they would plan to attend this showcase and/or emailed us they were planning to attend.



Who governs the rules of college lacrosse recruiting?



The NCAA.



What role does the IMLCA play in this process?



We believe this is an organization of all college coaches, but we are not sure of their mandate.



Did this action taken by the IMLCA upset you, surprise you and what did you do about it?



When we were notified of this on Friday, November 1st, it was both extremely upsetting and surprising as the list of college coaches planning to attend was growing rapidly for this event up to that date. After speaking to several D 1 college coaches, we sent an extensive letter asking the IMLCA to reconsider their position.



Based on the above, is the showcase worth attending and why?



Yes, absolutely. There will be many D 3 college coaches there. At this point, we have no idea what D 1 or D 2 college coaches will do, but the NCAA permits recruiting on this date and it is the last date of 2013 that D 1 college coaches have as a live contact period.



There will also be tremendous competition and each full game will be filmed. Having quality video for creating highlight reels, especially coming from a highly competitive venue like this is, in our view, very valuable to your recruiting process.



Based on the above, if you would now rather not attend, we are willing to provide a full refund. However, this refund is only available until Thursday, November 7th at 1:00pm EST. After that time, there will no longer be any refunds offered. This will allow us to provide all those players on the waitlist ample time to register and fill those openings and for us to plan, should you choose to forfeit your spot. If you would like a full refund based on this news, and not attend, please email us at info@natinvite175.com.



In short, this development just happened. We highly respect the lacrosse coachesí community and communicate with them quite often. Without getting into detail, this caught us by surprise. At the time of this letter, we really do not know what each D 1 college coach will do, but we do know that according to the NCAA, college coaches are allowed to attend our November 26th recruiting day and we also know that the talent assembled for this showcase will be excellent and we expect a very large turnout of college coaches coming from Division 3.



Once again, we felt that the right thing to do when learning of this news only this past Friday was to try to understand it and then quickly get this out to everyone and tell you what we know at this time. This development is upsetting but we believe that those who attend will have a great experience playing against great competition, being seen by many D 3 college coaches, gain great video and hopefully, some, if not many, D 1 coaches "may" actually show up. As we approach the Thanksgiving holiday, we are also proud to be supporting the Navy Seal Foundation and hopefully, the student athletes will learn more about this worthwhile charity.



Thank you and we look forward to seeing you this fall.



National Invitational 175
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/06/13 04:32 PM
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
National Top 175 to be held on Nov 26th ath Mitchell field just anounced that D1coaches will not be attending!!! Apparently a letter went out telling them not to attend mid-week showcases. Dissapointing to many hoping for some first looks. Maybe the Red Storm showcase this weekend is another option? Just won't be the same caliber invite ony players.
Please share with the lacrosse community the letter that announces this change.

The NCAA Recruiting Calendar (posted on the College Forum) actually calls out that the recruiting Dead Period begins on Wednesday, November 27th for Division I coaches. This could either be a case of travel close to the deadline or a number of Division I cancellations.

Again, please share the letter.
Probably related to the article posted yesterday on Inside Lacrosse by John Jiloty "IMLCA Issues Statement Against Mid-Week Recruting Events". See insidelacrosse.com, 3rd article on website. Not good for Nat'l 175.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/06/13 06:09 PM
I emailed one div one coach who was listed as attending and he confirmed his school will not be represented.

I am still considering going since this was the only fall showcase my son was attending.

Rally stinks.....
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/06/13 06:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I emailed one div one coach who was listed as attending and he confirmed his school will not be represented.

I am still considering going since this was the only fall showcase my son was attending.

Rally stinks.....
BOTC really appreciates the problems that this creates for many of the 2017 players. Is the K&J Athletics Red Storm Showcase Clinic on Sunday, November 10th an option for you?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/06/13 06:20 PM
There is nothing wrong with playing in front of a bunch of Div 3 coaches and I bet that some D1 schools will be there.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/06/13 06:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Probably related to the article posted yesterday on Inside Lacrosse by John Jiloty "IMLCA Issues Statement Against Mid-Week Recruting Events". See insidelacrosse.com, 3rd article on website. Not good for Nat'l 175.
BOTC has started a "What's Your View?" column on the Main Message Board covering this topic. We are securing additional information as it becomes available via press releases and other sources.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/06/13 06:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is nothing wrong with playing in front of a bunch of Div 3 coaches and I bet that some D1 schools will be there.
Correct ... provided that those Division III coaches are actually in the Top Ten Academic or Athletic options selected by the student-athlete. If the attending coaches are not in the set of schools that one would consider, why attend the showcase and pay the associated fees?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/06/13 07:33 PM
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is nothing wrong with playing in front of a bunch of Div 3 coaches and I bet that some D1 schools will be there.
Correct ... provided that those Division III coaches are actually in the Top Ten Academic or Athletic options selected by the student-athlete. If the attending coaches are not in the set of schools that one would consider, why attend the showcase and pay the associated fees?


I for one, requested a refund. Too much money for nothing!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/06/13 07:49 PM
Why isn't anyone asking the question "why did they schedule this on a school day?" and also "why are people taking their children out of school for this?"
There are loads of Fall showcases that are NOT on a school day. So why go to this one?
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/06/13 08:31 PM
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I emailed one div one coach who was listed as attending and he confirmed his school will not be represented.

I am still considering going since this was the only fall showcase my son was attending.

Rally stinks.....
BOTC really appreciates the problems that this creates for many of the 2017 players. Is the K&J Athletics Red Storm Showcase Clinic on Sunday, November 10th an option for you?
BOTC has just spoken with the directors at K&J Athletics regarding the Red Storm Showcase-Clinic. We regret to inform the community that the Red Storm Showcase-Clinic is now SOLD OUT with their limit of 300 positions having been reached.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/06/13 10:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why isn't anyone asking the question "why did they schedule this on a school day?" and also "why are people taking their children out of school for this?"
There are loads of Fall showcases that are NOT on a school day. So why go to this one?


Awesome point. Is the answer related to the primary organizers being aligned with private schools that have that day off? Public schools be damned.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/06/13 11:53 PM
Jake reed direct invites for summer program (2014) are out for the 2017's.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/07/13 03:12 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why isn't anyone asking the question "why did they schedule this on a school day?" and also "why are people taking their children out of school for this?"
There are loads of Fall showcases that are NOT on a school day. So why go to this one?


Awesome point. Is the answer related to the primary organizers being aligned with private schools that have that day off? Public schools be damned.


If by private schools you are referring to Kellenberg, Chaminade and St. Anthony's, all three have classes on the 26th. So it's clearly not a public vs private issue.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/07/13 03:29 AM
Jake Reed invites for summer 2014 are not out!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/07/13 03:35 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why isn't anyone asking the question "why did they schedule this on a school day?" and also "why are people taking their children out of school for this?"
There are loads of Fall showcases that are NOT on a school day. So why go to this one?


Awesome point. Is the answer related to the primary organizers being aligned with private schools that have that day off? Public schools be damned.


If by private schools you are referring to Kellenberg, Chaminade and St. Anthony's, all three have classes on the 26th. So it's clearly not a public vs private issue.


Well then. I guess its just a misguided assumption on the part of the money grabbers that missing classes that day is more tolerable than any other day. And don't be so narrow in your definition of private schools - The folks running the 175 are aligned with the prep schools that all have that entire week off leading up to Thanksgiving. This is clearly geared towards those kids.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/07/13 03:47 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And don't be so narrow in your definition of private schools - The folks running the 175 are aligned with the prep schools that all have that entire week off leading up to Thanksgiving. This is clearly geared towards those kids.
Which is why the event was planned for Mitchel Field in Uniondale ... because of the number of local prep schools?

The IMLCA established this September 1st to May 1st embargo on during the week events without regard for the NCAA Recruiting Calendar. The problem that BOTC sees here is quite simple : who is driving the collegiate recruiting rules? IMLCA or NCAA?

Ask yourselves why the IMLCA did NOT take their decision directly to the NCAA Compliance committee. Ask yourselves why the IMLCA has chosen to play their cards now.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/07/13 12:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why isn't anyone asking the question "why did they schedule this on a school day?" and also "why are people taking their children out of school for this?"
There are loads of Fall showcases that are NOT on a school day. So why go to this one?


Awesome point. Is the answer related to the primary organizers being aligned with private schools that have that day off? Public schools be damned.


If by private schools you are referring to Kellenberg, Chaminade and St. Anthony's, all three have classes on the 26th. So it's clearly not a public vs private issue.


Well then. I guess its just a misguided assumption on the part of the money grabbers that missing classes that day is more tolerable than any other day. And don't be so narrow in your definition of private schools - The folks running the 175 are aligned with the prep schools that all have that entire week off leading up to Thanksgiving. This is clearly geared towards those kids.


Bottom line is that kids are hurt by this. The timing is disgraceful to all involved.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/07/13 01:28 PM
There shouldn't be any events scheduled on SCHOOL days! Skipping school to go to one of these events is not in any way the same as missing some classes and still getting credit for them to go to a SCHOOL event or game.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/07/13 01:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There shouldn't be any events scheduled on SCHOOL days! Skipping school to go to one of these events is not in any way the same as missing some classes and still getting credit for them to go to a SCHOOL event or game.
How do you know that the event was not planned for 3:00pm until 10:00pm since it was under the lights at Mitchel Field? BOTC never saw a schedule - did you?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/07/13 02:14 PM
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There shouldn't be any events scheduled on SCHOOL days! Skipping school to go to one of these events is not in any way the same as missing some classes and still getting credit for them to go to a SCHOOL event or game.
How do you know that the event was not planned for 3:00pm until 10:00pm since it was under the lights at Mitchel Field? BOTC never saw a schedule - did you?


So you are saying it is ok for kids to go to athleitic events endorsed by the school district and miss academic classes, but not others. Stupid statement!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/07/13 06:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Jake Reed invites for summer 2014 are not out!!!


ummmm, yes they are
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/07/13 06:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Jake Reed invites for summer 2014 are not out!!!
Yes they are, at least for some. My son has not heard anything but I know Jake Reed actually called some kids last night to extent the invites personally.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/07/13 07:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There shouldn't be any events scheduled on SCHOOL days! Skipping school to go to one of these events is not in any way the same as missing some classes and still getting credit for them to go to a SCHOOL event or game.


How so?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/07/13 08:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There shouldn't be any events scheduled on SCHOOL days! Skipping school to go to one of these events is not in any way the same as missing some classes and still getting credit for them to go to a SCHOOL event or game.


How so?


If you're missing academic instuction for sports, makes no difference wheter it's school related or not. Teachers do not reteach a special lesson for atheletes. The result is the same. You missed class and are responsible to make up the work. Period. It's called pros and cons, a part of life!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/07/13 08:24 PM
Yes they are and we got one!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/07/13 08:53 PM
My son received his Summer invite today by mail. Dates are 6/24-6/26.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/07/13 08:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]There shouldn't be any events scheduled on SCHOOL days! Skipping school to go to one of these events is not in any way the same as missing some classes and still getting credit for them to go to a SCHOOL event or game.




The thing I find most amusing is that I did not hear one single complaint about the kids missing school or the "aligned with private schools" statement prior to the IMLCA notification. Suddenly it's a big conspiracy! Gimme me a break!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/07/13 09:53 PM
New this whole recruiting thing. How do you get invited to the Jake Reed camp? Recommendation? Pay to attend? Some special tryout?
Thanks
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/07/13 10:44 PM
http://www.insidelacrosse.com/news/2013/11/07/imlca-inks-partnership-deal-with-corrigan-sports
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/08/13 03:24 PM
There are three ways to get in:

1> The boys that have just been notified went to one of the Nike 3D weekends in Florida last January. From those weekends, about 100 players were selected from several regions to attend Jake Reed's Rising Freshman in MD this past July. Out of the 100 boys at Jake Reed, about 50 of them were invited to attend JR Rising Sophmores for this coming June.

2> 3D is once again holding tryouts this January in Florida for a chance at an invite to June's Jake Reed Rising Sophs .

3> And lastly, in the prior years, the head directors of the bigger club programs were asked to recommend a few top players who did not go through the 3D process.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
New this whole recruiting thing. How do you get invited to the Jake Reed camp? Recommendation? Pay to attend? Some special tryout?
Thanks
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/08/13 06:50 PM
Nice tourny down in Phili this weekend--

crabs, express, sweetlax, dukes/big 4, leading edge and one or two more...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/09/13 12:27 AM
Thank you! I assume this is one for the premier events.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/09/13 09:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nice tourny down in Phili this weekend--

crabs, express, sweetlax, dukes/big 4, leading edge and one or two more...


Dukes/Crabs in final. Leading Edge lost to Dukes by 1 and beat HeadStrong and Sweetlax to come in 3rd. LI Express lost to Sweetlax I think and played in 3rd place game. Good competition all the way around.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/09/13 09:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nice tourny down in Phili this weekend--

crabs, express, sweetlax, dukes/big 4, leading edge and one or two more...


Dukes/Crabs in final. Leading Edge lost to Dukes by 1 and beat HeadStrong and Sweetlax to come in 3rd. LI Express lost to Sweetlax I think and played in 3rd place game. Good competition all the way around.


Head LI Express lost 12-1 to Crabs and 5-3 to Sweetlax. Don't know how they did in last game vs. Headstrong,
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/09/13 11:31 PM
Outlaws beat West Coast Starz in OT at UPLAX. Great game.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/10/13 12:20 AM
Any reports on how many coaches on the sidelines ? What schools were represented?

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/10/13 02:29 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nice tourny down in Phili this weekend--

crabs, express, sweetlax, dukes/big 4, leading edge and one or two more...


Dukes/Crabs in final. Leading Edge lost to Dukes by 1 and beat HeadStrong and Sweetlax to come in 3rd. LI Express lost to Sweetlax I think and played in 3rd place game. Good competition all the way around.


Head LI Express lost 12-1 to Crabs and 5-3 to Sweetlax. Don't know how they did in last game vs. Headstrong,


How many of the Crab players drove themselves home? Or did they just go to the local pub and discuss the game? LOL, I know, they're all 2017. It's just getting so ridiculous now. Ya know, cause LI teams just don't know how to play lacrosse anymore... All of a sudden the crabs are blowing out Express. Gee what happened? Oh wait, this is the year down in MD they all repeat 9th grade in prep school because they were in 9th grade last year in public school, on top of being held back a year in kindergarten. Still 2017, all good. So most of the kids are 16 and 17 years old playing our 14 year olds. No wait I'm sorry, the MD kids just hit the wall more and are better than our kids, and are genetically more gifted with size and speed,that must be it. Why do we continue to support these tournaments??? We really need to start demanding these things go age based. One last thing... Why won't the crabs enter this exact team into the U-15 championship??? Hmmmm, what could the reason be?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/10/13 04:27 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nice tourny down in Phili this weekend--

crabs, express, sweetlax, dukes/big 4, leading edge and one or two more...


Dukes/Crabs in final. Leading Edge lost to Dukes by 1 and beat HeadStrong and Sweetlax to come in 3rd. LI Express lost to Sweetlax I think and played in 3rd place game. Good competition all the way around.


Head LI Express lost 12-1 to Crabs and 5-3 to Sweetlax. Don't know how they did in last game vs. Headstrong,


Express beat headstrong 9-5
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/10/13 01:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nice tourny down in Phili this weekend--

crabs, express, sweetlax, dukes/big 4, leading edge and one or two more...


Dukes/Crabs in final. Leading Edge lost to Dukes by 1 and beat HeadStrong and Sweetlax to come in 3rd. LI Express lost to Sweetlax I think and played in 3rd place game. Good competition all the way around.

Head LI Express lost 12-1 to Crabs and 5-3 to Sweetlax. Don't know how they did in last game vs. Headstrong,



How many of the Crab players drove themselves home? Or did they just go to the local pub and discuss the game? LOL, I know, they're all 2017. It's just getting so ridiculous now. Ya know, cause LI teams just don't know how to play lacrosse anymore... All of a sudden the crabs are blowing out Express. Gee what happened? Oh wait, this is the year down in MD they all repeat 9th grade in prep school because they were in 9th grade last year in public school, on top of being held back a year in kindergarten. Still 2017, all good. So most of the kids are 16 and 17 years old playing our 14 year olds. No wait I'm sorry, the MD kids just hit the wall more and are better than our kids, and are genetically more gifted with size and speed,that must be it. Why do we continue to support these tournaments??? We really need to start demanding these things go age based. One last thing... Why won't the crabs enter this exact team into the U-15 championship??? Hmmmm, what could the reason be?


Oh the same old refrain. Was that the excuse last weekend at the Terrpain Fall Classic when they didn't play the Crabs and lost? For the Sweetlax loss 5-3 at the Big 4 yesterday?

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/10/13 01:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nice tourny down in Phili this weekend--

crabs, express, sweetlax, dukes/big 4, leading edge and one or two more...


Dukes/Crabs in final. Leading Edge lost to Dukes by 1 and beat HeadStrong and Sweetlax to come in 3rd. LI Express lost to Sweetlax I think and played in 3rd place game. Good competition all the way around.


Head LI Express lost 12-1 to Crabs and 5-3 to Sweetlax. Don't know how they did in last game vs. Headstrong,
Actually LI express came in 5th out of 6 teams and lost 2 of 3 games. However, the focus is on recruiting in these November events but the clubs definately want to win.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/11/13 01:20 AM
Was at NSCLA tournament today and Turtles looked really good (not affiliated with Turtles whatsoever. Beat Crabs very handily and I believe went undefeated on the day. Leading Edge in NJ also went undefeated I hard, I think only 2 teams undefeated on day at 2017 level.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/11/13 01:26 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nice tourny down in Phili this weekend--

crabs, express, sweetlax, dukes/big 4, leading edge and one or two more...


Dukes/Crabs in final. Leading Edge lost to Dukes by 1 and beat HeadStrong and Sweetlax to come in 3rd. LI Express lost to Sweetlax I think and played in 3rd place game. Good competition all the way around.


How did the Turtles do today?

Head LI Express lost 12-1 to Crabs and 5-3 to Sweetlax. Don't know how they did in last game vs. Headstrong,
Actually LI express came in 5th out of 6 teams and lost 2 of 3 games. However, the focus is on recruiting in these November events but the clubs definately want to win.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/11/13 12:15 PM
What colleges were at Hofstra showcase yesterday? I saw a bunch.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/11/13 12:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What colleges were at Hofstra showcase yesterday? I saw a bunch.
Remember that more than 60 coaches were in town yesterday for the Red Storm Showcase-Clinic at St. John's University. BOTC would not be surprised if there was overlap between that K&J Athletic's event (held yesterday afternoon) and anything conducted elsewhere on the Island this weekend.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/11/13 12:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What colleges were at Hofstra showcase yesterday? I saw a bunch.
If you saw them why are you asking? Please tell us who you saw and define "a bunch".
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/11/13 01:14 PM
What 2017 Teams played at Hofstra?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/11/13 02:54 PM
Anyone know anything about an upcoming tournament at Kellenberg? Heard about it but cant find any info on it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/11/13 03:43 PM
Scores posted on Crabs twitter feed from NSCLA tournament this weekend in Maryland. Turtles and Leading Edge (NJ) only two undefeated 2017 teams, LI Outlaws went 0-3. Turtles crushed Crabs 8-2. Day before at Big 4 (Dukes) tournament in Philly, Dukes won the championship over Crabs, Leading Edge came in 3rd (2-1), LI Express went 1-2 beating Headstrong but losing to Sweetlax and Crabs 12-1. Just posting the results, realize it is only the Fall and focus is on recruting. However, we also know teams would prefer to win if possible.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/11/13 05:56 PM
Saw the Outlaws play yesterday. They are really a marginal team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/11/13 08:13 PM
Have the 2015 and 2017 invites to Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip Summer 2014 been sent out yet? The responses on this thread say "soon", but they were posted from a month ago.....Any update? We have the fall invites in hand, but have heard nothing about summer....

Will playing well at fall help for the summer?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/11/13 09:13 PM
Summer JR invites are out.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/11/13 09:13 PM
I do know of 2017 kids who received the direct invite. They came in the mail last week.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/12/13 12:39 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nice tourny down in Phili this weekend--

crabs, express, sweetlax, dukes/big 4, leading edge and one or two more...


Dukes/Crabs in final. Leading Edge lost to Dukes by 1 and beat HeadStrong and Sweetlax to come in 3rd. LI Express lost to Sweetlax I think and played in 3rd place game. Good competition all the way around.


Head LI Express lost 12-1 to Crabs and 5-3 to Sweetlax. Don't know how they did in last game vs. Headstrong,


How many of the Crab players drove themselves home? Or did they just go to the local pub and discuss the game? LOL, I know, they're all 2017. It's just getting so ridiculous now. Ya know, cause LI teams just don't know how to play lacrosse anymore... All of a sudden the crabs are blowing out Express. Gee what happened? Oh wait, this is the year down in MD they all repeat 9th grade in prep school because they were in 9th grade last year in public school, on top of being held back a year in kindergarten. Still 2017, all good. So most of the kids are 16 and 17 years old playing our 14 year olds. No wait I'm sorry, the MD kids just hit the wall more and are better than our kids, and are genetically more gifted with size and speed,that must be it. Why do we continue to support these tournaments??? We really need to start demanding these things go age based. One last thing... Why won't the crabs enter this exact team into the U-15 championship??? Hmmmm, what could the reason be?


My son played in this tournament (still 13 years old) and my opinion is you play against kids in your graduation year, the college coaches don't seem to care what year you were born but they do care what yer you are graduating. Play the hand you were dealt.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/12/13 03:24 AM
Key Dukes Players were at the Duke Prospect Camp on Sunday. Dukes 2017 Goalie looked good.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/12/13 03:39 AM
Yes we got a jake reed nike blue chip FALL invite for my 2015 and my 2017 on nov 23 and 24.....my 2017 will be passing up the team philly showcase event on nov 24 to do it... is that a wise move? can you do one day of jake reed (nov 23) and then leave and do nov 24? Where do you the think the D1 coaches will be? Will the fall blue chip be well attended by D1 coaches?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/12/13 11:57 AM
Invite only...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know anything about an upcoming tournament at Kellenberg? Heard about it but cant find any info on it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/12/13 12:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Key Dukes Players were at the Duke Prospect Camp on Sunday. Dukes 2017 Goalie looked good.


I heard the kids attending looked weak, another money grab!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/12/13 12:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nice tourny down in Phili this weekend--

crabs, express, sweetlax, dukes/big 4, leading edge and one or two more...


Dukes/Crabs in final. Leading Edge lost to Dukes by 1 and beat HeadStrong and Sweetlax to come in 3rd. LI Express lost to Sweetlax I think and played in 3rd place game. Good competition all the way around.


Head LI Express lost 12-1 to Crabs and 5-3 to Sweetlax. Don't know how they did in last game vs. Headstrong,


How many of the Crab players drove themselves home? Or did they just go to the local pub and discuss the game? LOL, I know, they're all 2017. It's just getting so ridiculous now. Ya know, cause LI teams just don't know how to play lacrosse anymore... All of a sudden the crabs are blowing out Express. Gee what happened? Oh wait, this is the year down in MD they all repeat 9th grade in prep school because they were in 9th grade last year in public school, on top of being held back a year in kindergarten. Still 2017, all good. So most of the kids are 16 and 17 years old playing our 14 year olds. No wait I'm sorry, the MD kids just hit the wall more and are better than our kids, and are genetically more gifted with size and speed,that must be it. Why do we continue to support these tournaments??? We really need to start demanding these things go age based. One last thing... Why won't the crabs enter this exact team into the U-15 championship??? Hmmmm, what could the reason be?


My son played in this tournament (still 13 years old) and my opinion is you play against kids in your graduation year, the college coaches don't seem to care what year you were born but they do care what yer you are graduating. Play the hand you were dealt.


I have nothing to do with 2017 but your comment "play the hand you were dealt" is in direct contradiction to the previous poster's comment. The problem is a lot of people arent playing the hand they were dealt, but rather holding there kids back to play against younger competition. that just isnt fair. But, there are not rules against it so why doesnt everyone just hold their kids back a year and then see if anyone uses that logic to hold their kids back two years.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/12/13 01:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nice tourny down in Phili this weekend--

crabs, express, sweetlax, dukes/big 4, leading edge and one or two more...


Dukes/Crabs in final. Leading Edge lost to Dukes by 1 and beat HeadStrong and Sweetlax to come in 3rd. LI Express lost to Sweetlax I think and played in 3rd place game. Good competition all the way around.


Head LI Express lost 12-1 to Crabs and 5-3 to Sweetlax. Don't know how they did in last game vs. Headstrong,


How many of the Crab players drove themselves home? Or did they just go to the local pub and discuss the game? LOL, I know, they're all 2017. It's just getting so ridiculous now. Ya know, cause LI teams just don't know how to play lacrosse anymore... All of a sudden the crabs are blowing out Express. Gee what happened? Oh wait, this is the year down in MD they all repeat 9th grade in prep school because they were in 9th grade last year in public school, on top of being held back a year in kindergarten. Still 2017, all good. So most of the kids are 16 and 17 years old playing our 14 year olds. No wait I'm sorry, the MD kids just hit the wall more and are better than our kids, and are genetically more gifted with size and speed,that must be it. Why do we continue to support these tournaments??? We really need to start demanding these things go age based. One last thing... Why won't the crabs enter this exact team into the U-15 championship??? Hmmmm, what could the reason be?


My son played in this tournament (still 13 years old) and my opinion is you play against kids in your graduation year, the college coaches don't seem to care what year you were born but they do care what yer you are graduating. Play the hand you were dealt.


I have nothing to do with 2017 but your comment "play the hand you were dealt" is in direct contradiction to the previous poster's comment. The problem is a lot of people arent playing the hand they were dealt, but rather holding there kids back to play against younger competition. that just isnt fair. But, there are not rules against it so why doesnt everyone just hold their kids back a year and then see if anyone uses that logic to hold their kids back two years.


If I could do it all over, both my boys would be held back! I tell all new parents to consider it. Most are shocked at first, but then start thinking.......hmmmm, why should other kids get this advantage, maybe this is in the best interest of my child!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/12/13 01:37 PM
they definitely didn't show well. I wouldn't count them out yet. they need to figure out there playing style. the team can really move the ball when they want to but fall into old bad habits real quick. we shall see.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/12/13 01:43 PM
The problem is the combination of boys reclassifying coupled with early recruiting

when you play your 15 year old against my 13 year old, I will bet on your older boy every time.

In 4 years, I am pretty sure my 17 year old will be a better player than your 19 year old.

Fotrunately for you, your 15 year old put together a great highlight tape of his games played against little boys and looks like a stud.

Fortunately for my son he will graduate college at 22 instead of 25
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/12/13 01:49 PM
as for me I like hanging out with older people, makes me feel younger.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/12/13 02:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Invite only...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know anything about an upcoming tournament at Kellenberg? Heard about it but cant find any info on it.


Do you know if it is a Showcase Tournament, are colleges in Attendance? Also, do you know any teams involved?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/12/13 02:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nice tourny down in Phili this weekend--

crabs, express, sweetlax, dukes/big 4, leading edge and one or two more...


Dukes/Crabs in final. Leading Edge lost to Dukes by 1 and beat HeadStrong and Sweetlax to come in 3rd. LI Express lost to Sweetlax I think and played in 3rd place game. Good competition all the way around.


Head LI Express lost 12-1 to Crabs and 5-3 to Sweetlax. Don't know how they did in last game vs. Headstrong,


How many of the Crab players drove themselves home? Or did they just go to the local pub and discuss the game? LOL, I know, they're all 2017. It's just getting so ridiculous now. Ya know, cause LI teams just don't know how to play lacrosse anymore... All of a sudden the crabs are blowing out Express. Gee what happened? Oh wait, this is the year down in MD they all repeat 9th grade in prep school because they were in 9th grade last year in public school, on top of being held back a year in kindergarten. Still 2017, all good. So most of the kids are 16 and 17 years old playing our 14 year olds. No wait I'm sorry, the MD kids just hit the wall more and are better than our kids, and are genetically more gifted with size and speed,that must be it. Why do we continue to support these tournaments??? We really need to start demanding these things go age based. One last thing... Why won't the crabs enter this exact team into the U-15 championship??? Hmmmm, what could the reason be?


My son played in this tournament (still 13 years old) and my opinion is you play against kids in your graduation year, the college coaches don't seem to care what year you were born but they do care what yer you are graduating. Play the hand you were dealt.


I have nothing to do with 2017 but your comment "play the hand you were dealt" is in direct contradiction to the previous poster's comment. The problem is a lot of people arent playing the hand they were dealt, but rather holding there kids back to play against younger competition. that just isnt fair. But, there are not rules against it so why doesnt everyone just hold their kids back a year and then see if anyone uses that logic to hold their kids back two years.


We are playing the hand we were dealt, others have drawn new cards to improve their hand -

"grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, The courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference."

I have accepted that my son will graduate HS at 17 - maybe he will get overlooked at recruiting showcases because others have chosen to hold their kids back to gain a competitive advantage (and good for them) and I will work with my son on what we can control like work ethic and grades.

no excuses and no regrets!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/12/13 04:03 PM
Dear No Excuses and Regrets,
I agree with you whole heartedly. I wouldn't hold my kid back for athletic advantage either. However, you can't ignore the fact that the LI kids are being ripped off. The MD, PA, prep school crowd is taking spots away from our kids by cheating our kids and changing the game right before our eyes. Guess what, nothing we can do about it. Not until we stand up and demand all tournaments, showcases and recruiting camps strictly follow US lacrosse U-XX rules. Birth certificate proof. It's the only way this crap stops. Tell your team directors to demand it or boycott tourn. If we got together as a region and pushed this issue we could change it.
That's all I'm saying... Just enforce, and play by the rules.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/12/13 08:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Saw the Outlaws play yesterday. They are really a marginal team.


Outlaws will play Red Devil United (NC team), Edge Red 2017, and 3d Select Canada this weekend at fl$ in 3D

fl$ will play Leading Edge Elite, Greene Turtle, 3d Select Co, BBL Red, Looneys Orange, 3d Select Canada.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/14/13 04:35 PM
so for the sake of finding out how our local boys faired against the rest of the regions who participated in the summer JR event; lets get a count going to see how many of the 50 direct selects are from our area:

(hopefully this doesnt degenerate into some type of slug fest...just anecdotal info gathering)

just add on from here: +1
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/14/13 06:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
so for the sake of finding out how our local boys faired against the rest of the regions who participated in the summer JR event; lets get a count going to see how many of the 50 direct selects are from our area:

(hopefully this doesnt degenerate into some type of slug fest...just anecdotal info gathering)

just add on from here: +1


Makes no sense because there's kids with direct invites that didn't go to 3d/jake reed
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/14/13 07:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
so for the sake of finding out how our local boys faired against the rest of the regions who participated in the summer JR event; lets get a count going to see how many of the 50 direct selects are from our area:

(hopefully this doesnt degenerate into some type of slug fest...just anecdotal info gathering)

just add on from here: +1


Makes no sense because there's kids with direct invites that didn't go to 3d/jake reed


count that as a "no" from that household... we can "extrapolate" with the directs from this area anyway...it may be a tad too complicated for you...move on to the next question.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/15/13 12:09 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
so for the sake of finding out how our local boys faired against the rest of the regions who participated in the summer JR event; lets get a count going to see how many of the 50 direct selects are from our area:

(hopefully this doesnt degenerate into some type of slug fest...just anecdotal info gathering)

just add on from here: +1


Makes no sense because there's kids with direct invites that didn't go to 3d/jake reed


count that as a "no" from that household... we can "extrapolate" with the directs from this area anyway...it may be a tad too complicated for you...move on to the next question.



very rude. I don't understand either. Just rephrase so us idiots know what the heck you're trying to figure out. In your question you stated "lets get a count going to see how many of the 50 direct selects are from our area".... So I'm wondering just as the idiot challenged previous poster. Thanks
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/15/13 12:16 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Key Dukes Players were at the Duke Prospect Camp on Sunday. Dukes 2017 Goalie looked good.


I heard the kids attending looked weak, another money grab!



hahahahah
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/15/13 03:16 PM
It seems like everyone who went in July got an invite and even those who didn't get past Blue Chip in Florida also got invited. Thry blew it. JR's days of being "THE" elite showcase are over.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
so for the sake of finding out how our local boys faired against the rest of the regions who participated in the summer JR event; lets get a count going to see how many of the 50 direct selects are from our area:

(hopefully this doesnt degenerate into some type of slug fest...just anecdotal info gathering)

just add on from here: +1


Makes no sense because there's kids with direct invites that didn't go to 3d/jake reed
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/15/13 03:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Key Dukes Players were at the Duke Prospect Camp on Sunday. Dukes 2017 Goalie looked good.


I heard the kids attending looked weak, another money grab!



I'm from md and my son was just ok. He has a lot to work on. But I don't know if you where there or just stating heresay - but there def were several standout 17's from li that had shots that would make your head spin
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/15/13 03:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
so for the sake of finding out how our local boys faired against the rest of the regions who participated in the summer JR event; lets get a count going to see how many of the 50 direct selects are from our area:

(hopefully this doesnt degenerate into some type of slug fest...just anecdotal info gathering)

just add on from here: +1


Makes no sense because there's kids with direct invites that didn't go to 3d/jake reed


count that as a "no" from that household... we can "extrapolate" with the directs from this area anyway...it may be a tad too complicated for you...move on to the next question.



very rude. I don't understand either. Just rephrase so us idiots know what the heck you're trying to figure out. In your question you stated "lets get a count going to see how many of the 50 direct selects are from our area".... So I'm wondering just as the idiot challenged previous poster. Thanks


Pedantic may seem rude however; restated: how many long island kids got the direct summer invite and do not have to go through winter qualifying again?

+1
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/15/13 05:17 PM
My son was umbc was ok there he didn't get direct invite he did not deserve it and we are going down to fla and try and make it this year
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/15/13 07:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son was umbc was ok there he didn't get direct invite he did not deserve it and we are going down to fla and try and make it this year


how much are the fees for the Florida camp?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/15/13 10:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son was umbc was ok there he didn't get direct invite he did not deserve it and we are going down to fla and try and make it this year


how much are the fees for the Florida camp?


$550 plus travel? & then another $550 IF you get asked to JR?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/17/13 12:38 PM
At fl$ in 3D yesterday for 2017s, fl$ went 1-2 losing to Leading Edge 7-1 and 3D Colorado 7-3, and beating Edge from Canada 5-3. LI Outlaws lost all of the games. 3D Colorado and Leading Edge were the best teams there.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/18/13 12:00 AM
fl$ beat BBL 17-6 and Looneys 14-0 on Sunday.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/18/13 12:57 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
fl$ beat BBL 17-6 and Looneys 14-0 on Sunday.


BBL b team as the black team is the a team. Got killed by leading edge and 3d.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/18/13 01:18 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
fl$ beat BBL 17-6 and Looneys 14-0 on Sunday.


BBL b team as the black team is the a team. Got killed by leading edge and 3d.



Who got killed bt leading edge and 3d?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/18/13 01:35 AM
Does anyone know how good Long Island (Be The Best) 2017 Team is?
Is it an A team or B team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/18/13 12:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
fl$ beat BBL 17-6 and Looneys 14-0 on Sunday.


BBL b team as the black team is the a team. Got killed by leading edge and 3d.



Who got killed bt leading edge and 3d?
fl$
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/18/13 02:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
fl$ beat BBL 17-6 and Looneys 14-0 on Sunday.


BBL b team as the black team is the a team. Got killed by leading edge and 3d.



Who got killed bt leading edge and 3d?
fl$


I was pretty surprised to see how easy the 3d team handled fl$. fl$ had some very athletic guys, but the 3d defense shut them down other than 1 or 2 long shots that sort of skipped in through the slop in front of the cage.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/18/13 02:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
At fl$ in 3D yesterday for 2017s, fl$ went 1-2 losing to Leading Edge 7-1 and 3D Colorado 7-3, and beating Edge from Canada 5-3. LI Outlaws lost all of the games. 3D Colorado and Leading Edge were the best teams there.


I am not familiar with the BBL program but think they had two teams there. The one I saw was very well coached and hung with the 3d Co team for most of the game, but 3d pulled away.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/18/13 02:46 PM
fl$ lost by 2 or 3 to 3D Col & 6-1 to L-Edge. 'Killed' is a slight exaggeration, no?


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
fl$ beat BBL 17-6 and Looneys 14-0 on Sunday.


BBL b team as the black team is the a team. Got killed by leading edge and 3d.



Who got killed bt leading edge and 3d?
fl$
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/18/13 02:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
fl$ beat BBL 17-6 and Looneys 14-0 on Sunday.


BBL b team as the black team is the a team. Got killed by leading edge and 3d.



Who got killed bt leading edge and 3d?
fl$


fl$ lost to 3d Select CO 7-3 and CO scored two man up goals very late in the game. Lost to Leading Edge 7-1. Not sure in what world that equates to getting killed. Maybe you meant that the Outlaws got killed since they lost to Leading 3d CO 12-0?

Regardless, lots of college coaches watching their games.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/18/13 04:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
fl$ beat BBL 17-6 and Looneys 14-0 on Sunday.


BBL b team as the black team is the a team. Got killed by leading edge and 3d.



Who got killed bt leading edge and 3d?
fl$


fl$ lost to 3d Select CO 7-3 and CO scored two man up goals very late in the game. Lost to Leading Edge 7-1. Not sure in what world that equates to getting killed. Maybe you meant that the Outlaws got killed since they lost to Leading 3d CO 12-0?

Regardless, lots of college coaches watching their games.


I would agree with you. The fl$ vs 3d CO game felt closer than the score because the fl$ FOGO did an amazing job and the ball was in the 3d defensive end most of the first half for sure. The 3d team is know for its offense, but their defense won that game. It wasn't like fl$ was playing sloppy. The 3d team played a very aggressive, pressing out defense. It was a fun game to watch on both sides.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/18/13 10:02 PM
Yea how good is Be The Best?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/19/13 01:07 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is nothing wrong with playing in front of a bunch of Div 3 coaches and I bet that some D1 schools will be there.
Correct ... provided that those Division III coaches are actually in the Top Ten Academic or Athletic options selected by the student-athlete. If the attending coaches are not in the set of schools that one would consider, why attend the showcase and pay the associated fees?


I for one, requested a refund. Too much money for nothing!


I requested a refund also but have not heard back? Any request a refund and see the credit?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/19/13 01:41 AM
I received my refund late last week as did a teammate.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/19/13 09:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I received my refund late last week as did a teammate.


3 emails and know response for me. frown
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/24/13 08:45 PM
Heard Turtles came in 3/4 in pool play today at Philly Showcase.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/24/13 09:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Heard Turtles came in 3/4 in pool play today at Philly Showcase.
. Looks like they did well http://showcaselacrosse.com/drawer/philly-freshman-showcase-2013/gamecenter/team/
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/24/13 10:12 PM
Orange tie building blocks please.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/24/13 10:22 PM
It was a ties as game was not played..... BBL and Express did not play the game
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/24/13 10:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Heard Turtles came in 3/4 in pool play today at Philly Showcase.
. Looks like they did well http://showcaselacrosse.com/drawer/philly-freshman-showcase-2013/gamecenter/team/


Not that well, 3D beat them easily
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/24/13 11:15 PM
Bbl made express wait around 2 hrs and then
Bbl decided not to play. Classy
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/24/13 11:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It was a ties as game was not played..... BBL and Express did not play the game


Why not?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 12:15 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Orange tie building blocks please.


Game never happened. BBL went home early.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 01:06 AM
It was Orange's idea not to play
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 01:13 AM
Long Island well represented in the Philly Showcase Allstar final game amongst a truly nation wide participation.

2 turtles (LSM,MIDDY)
4 express (LSM ask middy's)
3 fl$ (A, D, LSM)
2 91 (A,D)

One 91 kid overall MVP (D) and one 91 kid Allstar game MVP (A)

Sub freezing temps all day for team games. Kudos to those who could play in such unfavorable conditions.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 01:33 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It was Orange's idea not to play


That's why they were dressed and waiting at field 2, ready to play
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 02:04 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It was Orange's idea not to play


That's why they were dressed and waiting at field 2, ready to play


LOL, EXACTLY! We all had nothing better to do than freeze our butts off in PA for an extra 2 hours for NOTHING!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 03:31 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Heard Turtles came in 3/4 in pool play today at Philly Showcase.
. Looks like they did well http://showcaselacrosse.com/drawer/philly-freshman-showcase-2013/gamecenter/team/


Not that well, 3D beat them easily


Is this the first time the Turtles have lost to a 2017 team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 12:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Heard Turtles came in 3/4 in pool play today at Philly Showcase.
. Looks like they did well http://showcaselacrosse.com/drawer/philly-freshman-showcase-2013/gamecenter/team/


Not that well, 3D beat them easily


Is this the first time the Turtles have lost to a 2017 team?


No. Last year
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 12:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Bbl made express wait around 2 hrs and then
Bbl decided not to play. Classy


BBL did this last year at Summer Sizzle in Md...they were getting killed by other teams and decided not to show up vs FCA. Weak program, they shouldn't get asked back to quality tournaments.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 01:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It was Orange's idea not to play
Not from either LI Express or BBL. It was Chanachuck's idea not to play. 100% sure, heard from NXT.
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 01:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Bbl made express wait around 2 hrs and then
Bbl decided not to play. Classy


BBL did this last year at Summer Sizzle in Md...they were getting killed by other teams and decided not to show up vs FCA. Weak program, they shouldn't get asked back to quality tournaments.
Although not many lacrosse tournaments have crossed into performance bonds (some top level soccer tournaments have done this), elite teams are soon going to be required to "bond" their tournament appearances to avoid this situation.

Performance bonds guard against teams walking away from matches such as we see here. Once a team participates in all of their scheduled matches, their bond (typically $1000.00) is refunded. If a team forfeits a match, the bond is used to REFUND that portion of the application fees to the impacted opponent(s).
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 01:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It was Orange's idea not to play
Not from either LI Express or BBL. It was Chanachuck's idea not to play. 100% sure, heard from NXT.



Oh yea, that's why we sat around for 2 hrs to play the game!! You're an idiot!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 01:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It was Orange's idea not to play
Not from either LI Express or BBL. It was Chanachuck's idea not to play. 100% sure, heard from NXT.



Oh yea, that's why we sat around for 2 hrs to play the game!! You're an idiot!
Idoiot, talk to NXT and ask Chanachuck. BBL guys told me at 11am that last game wasn't being played because LI Express was leaving. Maybe you should discuss with you own leadership dope. Maybe you should be mad at MC for not telling you.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 02:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It was Orange's idea not to play
Not from either LI Express or BBL. It was Chanachuck's idea not to play. 100% sure, heard from NXT.



Oh yea, that's why we sat around for 2 hrs to play the game!! You're an idiot!
Idoiot, talk to NXT and ask Chanachuck. BBL guys told me at 11am that last game wasn't being played because LI Express was leaving. Maybe you should discuss with you own leadership dope. Maybe you should be mad at MC for not telling you.


Not only were the boys of Orange dressed and ready to play so were the coaches, YES Chanenchuk was there ready to go at 2.10pm
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 02:22 PM
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Bbl made express wait around 2 hrs and then
Bbl decided not to play. Classy


BBL did this last year at Summer Sizzle in Md...they were getting killed by other teams and decided not to show up vs FCA. Weak program, they shouldn't get asked back to quality tournaments.
Although not many lacrosse tournaments have crossed into performance bonds (some top level soccer tournaments have done this), elite teams are soon going to be required to "bond" their tournament appearances to avoid this situation.

Performance bonds guard against teams walking away from matches such as we see here. Once a team participates in all of their scheduled matches, their bond (typically $1000.00) is refunded. If a team forfeits a match, the bond is used to REFUND that portion of the application fees to the impacted opponent(s).


Thanks Cage.

Lacrosse is way behind in many ways. The people who control the sport are working for selfish reason. Tournament Organizers/Owners, Club Directors/Owners, HS Coaches (who also want to profit) and Youth Lacrosse (town boards) all have their own agendas.

US Lacrosse has not set the stage effectively. The current system is a free for all.

Single year "U" based age groups is a must.
Player and Team Registration is a must.
Tier Rating of Teams based on results is a must. "A" "B" "C" Divisions.

I am not talking about Rec-league or local town based programs. I am talking about Competitive Travel Teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 02:37 PM
LI Team Results from Philly Showcase:

Team 91 2-1
Outlaws 1-2
Express 1-1 (BBL game shown as tie but was not played)
Turtles 2-1
fl$ 2-1

Have to give all the boys on all the teams credit for playing in 25 degree weather with a wind chill that made it feel close to 0 degrees.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 02:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It was Orange's idea not to play
Not from either LI Express or BBL. It was Chanachuck's idea not to play. 100% sure, heard from NXT.



Oh yea, that's why we sat around for 2 hrs to play the game!! You're an idiot!
Idoiot, talk to NXT and ask Chanachuck. BBL guys told me at 11am that last game wasn't being played because LI Express was leaving. Maybe you should discuss with you own leadership dope. Maybe you should be mad at MC for not telling you.


Not only were the boys of Orange dressed and ready to play so were the coaches, YES Chanenchuk was there ready to go at 2.10pm


Before we cast stones at glass houses, lets remember that a few weeks ago at Halloween Havoc, an Express team decided to skip a championship game and leave team 91 hanging around for nothing. Express should not critcize when they have engaged in the same behavior
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 03:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Heard Turtles came in 3/4 in pool play today at Philly Showcase.
. Looks like they did well http://showcaselacrosse.com/drawer/philly-freshman-showcase-2013/gamecenter/team/


Not that well, 3D beat them easily


Is this the first time the Turtles have lost to a 2017 team?


No. Last year


Which team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 04:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Heard Turtles came in 3/4 in pool play today at Philly Showcase.
. Looks like they did well http://showcaselacrosse.com/drawer/philly-freshman-showcase-2013/gamecenter/team/


Not that well, 3D beat them easily


Is this the first time the Turtles have lost to a 2017 team?


This wasn't a very representative 3d team. It was thrown together behind closed doors, and the best players from Colorado were actually not on it in favor of a couple of out of state guys. A lot of people were pretty upset when they heard this team had been put together that way.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 04:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Heard Turtles came in 3/4 in pool play today at Philly Showcase.
. Looks like they did well http://showcaselacrosse.com/drawer/philly-freshman-showcase-2013/gamecenter/team/


Not that well, 3D beat them easily


Is this the first time the Turtles have lost to a 2017 team?


No. Last year


Which team?


dukes 2017
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 05:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Heard Turtles came in 3/4 in pool play today at Philly Showcase.
. Looks like they did well http://showcaselacrosse.com/drawer/philly-freshman-showcase-2013/gamecenter/team/


Not that well, 3D beat them easily


Is this the first time the Turtles have lost to a 2017 team?


This wasn't a very representative 3d team. It was thrown together behind closed doors, and the best players from Colorado were actually not on it in favor of a couple of out of state guys. A lot of people were pretty upset when they heard this team had been put together that way.


The team was 3d National. What wasn't representative about it?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 06:16 PM
There is an internal fascination with bringing in a few kids from non-3d areas who had no business being on that team. 2 if not 3 of the best attack men were not there, the best pole, and best LSM. 3 of those guys recently joined 3d Co, but aren't even close to being some of the better players and hadn't earned the right to represent 3d in something like this.

No one has any idea how or why this happened. It was a good team, but if this had been a true, national team the way WCS picks players it would have been even better.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 06:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Heard Turtles came in 3/4 in pool play today at Philly Showcase.
. Looks like they did well http://showcaselacrosse.com/drawer/philly-freshman-showcase-2013/gamecenter/team/


Not that well, 3D beat them easily


Is this the first time the Turtles have lost to a 2017 team?


This wasn't a very representative 3d team. It was thrown together behind closed doors, and the best players from Colorado were actually not on it in favor of a couple of out of state guys. A lot of people were pretty upset when they heard this team had been put together that way.


The team was 3d National. What wasn't representative about it?


Turtle lost and are always looking for excuses. The fact is that the kids on 3D are more skilled for their age group than the Turtles. Get over it!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 07:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Heard Turtles came in 3/4 in pool play today at Philly Showcase.
. Looks like they did well http://showcaselacrosse.com/drawer/philly-freshman-showcase-2013/gamecenter/team/


Not that well, 3D beat them easily


Is this the first time the Turtles have lost to a 2017 team?


This wasn't a very representative 3d team. It was thrown together behind closed doors, and the best players from Colorado were actually not on it in favor of a couple of out of state guys. A lot of people were pretty upset when they heard this team had been put together that way.


The team was 3d National. What wasn't representative about it?


It means the posters son got left off the team and hes annoyed about it...........
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 07:33 PM
[quote=Anonymous]Long Island well represented in the Philly Showcase Allstar final game amongst a truly nation wide participation.

2 turtles (LSM,MIDDY)
4 express (LSM ask middy's)
3 fl$ (A, D, LSM)
2 91 (A,D)

One 91 kid overall MVP (D) and one 91 kid Allstar game MVP (A)

Sub freezing temps all day for team games. Kudos to those who could play in such unfavorable conditions.

Express and fl$ had more players in the All-Star game than the Turtles and 91 had an equal amount. What happened?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 07:54 PM
Actually not the case. Our son was there and was only trying to make the point that this wasn't even close to being the best team 3d could have put out there, and no one knows how or why it was done this way. One of the problems of a national club and 3d is starting to have some issues with that.

The way the Turtles dominated the face-offs and shots it should have been closer or even a W for them. Our guys shine in unsettled play and that is where you saw our guys rattle off that run of 5-6 goals to win it.

It is too bad we don't play more often.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 07:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Long Island well represented in the Philly Showcase Allstar final game amongst a truly nation wide participation.

2 turtles (LSM,MIDDY)
4 express (LSM ask middy's)
3 fl$ (A, D, LSM)
2 91 (A,D)

One 91 kid overall MVP (D) and one 91 kid Allstar game MVP (A)

Sub freezing temps all day for team games. Kudos to those who could play in such unfavorable conditions.

Express and fl$ had more players in the All-Star game than the Turtles and 91 had an equal amount. What happened?


Didn't those 2 91 MVP kids use to play for the turtles?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 08:02 PM
yup turtles lost a ton of talent.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 08:11 PM
Long Island had a strong showing. 11 in Fab 40. Overall MVP, Runner up MVP and one of the All-Star game MVP's all from Long Island. 3 of the top 5 players on that day from Long Island. That's pretty good. All 232 kids deserve credit for playing hard in such harsh weather conditions.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 08:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Long Island had a strong showing. 11 in Fab 40. Overall MVP, Runner up MVP and one of the All-Star game MVP's all from Long Island. 3 of the top 5 players on that day from Long Island. That's pretty good. All 232 kids deserve credit for playing hard in such harsh weather conditions.


Amen to that. The conditions were horrible and the talent was really good, but I still wouldn't say I would be running out and trying to get many if any to commit. I know there were a couple of guys who had committed, and one who had gotten quite a bit of pub from IL, and he has been invisible most of the fall.

There was a lot of skill, but kids are still changing to fast.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 08:39 PM
Invisible?????
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 08:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Long Island had a strong showing. 11 in Fab 40. Overall MVP, Runner up MVP and one of the All-Star game MVP's all from Long Island. 3 of the top 5 players on that day from Long Island. That's pretty good. All 232 kids deserve credit for playing hard in such harsh weather conditions.


Amen to that. The conditions were horrible and the talent was really good, but I still wouldn't say I would be running out and trying to get many if any to commit. I know there were a couple of guys who had committed, and one who had gotten quite a bit of pub from IL, and he has been invisible most of the fall.

There was a lot of skill, but kids are still changing to fast.


Great post. It still remains to be seen whos gonna be who. College coaches wanna see kids play varsity and they want to see a year of grades. I dont think youll see too many 2017's commit until the summer or next fall. There will definitely be some late bloomers and kids that surprise. Still a long way to go folks, strap in and hang on.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 08:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Long Island had a strong showing. 11 in Fab 40. Overall MVP, Runner up MVP and one of the All-Star game MVP's all from Long Island. 3 of the top 5 players on that day from Long Island. That's pretty good. All 232 kids deserve credit for playing hard in such harsh weather conditions.


Amen to that. The conditions were horrible and the talent was really good, but I still wouldn't say I would be running out and trying to get many if any to commit. I know there were a couple of guys who had committed, and one who had gotten quite a bit of pub from IL, and he has been invisible most of the fall.

There was a lot of skill, but kids are still changing to fast.


Congrats to all of the kids who played in such poor conditions. It would be better if this event were held October to reduce the chance of poor weather.

My son, age 14, said there were kids on his team that were 16 years old. On his 20 person team 6 were from the class of 2016 that had been or were going to be held back. Doesn't seem right, but you've got to work with the hand you're dealt.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 09:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Long Island had a strong showing. 11 in Fab 40. Overall MVP, Runner up MVP and one of the All-Star game MVP's all from Long Island. 3 of the top 5 players on that day from Long Island. That's pretty good. All 232 kids deserve credit for playing hard in such harsh weather conditions.


Amen to that. The conditions were horrible and the talent was really good, but I still wouldn't say I would be running out and trying to get many if any to commit. I know there were a couple of guys who had committed, and one who had gotten quite a bit of pub from IL, and he has been invisible most of the fall.

There was a lot of skill, but kids are still changing to fast.


Congrats to all of the kids who played in such poor conditions. It would be better if this event were held October to reduce the chance of poor weather.

My son, age 14, said there were kids on his team that were 16 years old. On his 20 person team 6 were from the class of 2016 that had been or were going to be held back. Doesn't seem right, but you've got to work with the hand you're dealt.


This is a disgrace and a joke. Gee.. I wonder if the kids 2 years older looked stronger and faster that the 14 year olds. Let me guess they were from MD and PA prep schools. NXT should be ashamed of themselves. These venues need to step up and start going by age. It's an outrage...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 09:28 PM
http://www.insidelacrosse.com/news/2013/11/25/quint-early-recruiting-poses-more-questions-answers

Thank you Quint for adding some common sense to the equation
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 09:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are these questions significantly easier to answer for a 17 year-old than a 15/16 year-old?

Originally, the concern with early commitments was that a freshman or sophomore could not effectively decide on a college as they were not sufficiently developed to know their academic interests.

Now, we have to worry about things from a coach's perspective? If a coach does not believe he or she cannot sufficiently analyze a recruit, isn't the better choice to back away from the recruitment wars for freshmen and sophomores?

Oh, wait, we cannot allow our program to fall behind. But what about Quint's questions? Ah heck, they don't matter anyway.

Get the point?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 10:08 PM
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are these questions significantly easier to answer for a 17 year-old than a 15/16 year-old?

Originally, the concern with early commitments was that a freshman or sophomore could not effectively decide on a college as they were not sufficiently developed to know their academic interests.

Now, we have to worry about things from a coach's perspective? If a coach does not believe he or she cannot sufficiently analyze a recruit, isn't the better choice to back away from the recruitment wars for freshmen and sophomores?

Oh, wait, we cannot allow our program to fall behind. But what about Quint's questions? Ah heck, they don't matter anyway.

Get the point?


I think the coaches view recruiting a kid at 15 or 16 as a free option. If the kid develops into the player/student that they anticipate, great. If not, they can terminate the offer or throw the kid onto the roster where he will never see the field. Most schools carry a roster of 40+ kids, many of whom are receiving no money from the program; hence the free option concept. It is probably safer for a coach to recruit a younger kid and gamble on their success rather than miss someone.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 10:30 PM


This wasn't a very representative 3d team. It was thrown together behind closed doors, and the best players from Colorado were actually not on it in favor of a couple of out of state guys. A lot of people were pretty upset when they heard this team had been put together that way. [/quote]

The team was 3d National. What wasn't representative about it? [/quote]

Turtle lost and are always looking for excuses. The fact is that the kids on 3D are more skilled for their age group than the Turtles. Get over it! [/quote]

I think you need to boost your comprehension capabilities. what you responded to doesnt look like an excuse by someone representing the turtles rather someone involved with 3D. Stop with the hate fruitcake!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 10:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are these questions significantly easier to answer for a 17 year-old than a 15/16 year-old?

Originally, the concern with early commitments was that a freshman or sophomore could not effectively decide on a college as they were not sufficiently developed to know their academic interests.

Now, we have to worry about things from a coach's perspective? If a coach does not believe he or she cannot sufficiently analyze a recruit, isn't the better choice to back away from the recruitment wars for freshmen and sophomores?

Oh, wait, we cannot allow our program to fall behind. But what about Quint's questions? Ah heck, they don't matter anyway.

Get the point?


I think the coaches view recruiting a kid at 15 or 16 as a free option. If the kid develops into the player/student that they anticipate, great. If not, they can terminate the offer or throw the kid onto the roster where he will never see the field. Most schools carry a roster of 40+ kids, many of whom are receiving no money from the program; hence the free option concept. It is probably safer for a coach to recruit a younger kid and gamble on their success rather than miss someone.


Doesn't work the way you're saying at all!! The kids are committing with detailed scholarships in place, once the agreement is made the coach has committed to an offer, he stands by it. That's why it's called a commitment. A gamble, maybe but that's on the coach. Scholarships are not taken back unless specific stipulations on performance are set (I believe Duke does this)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 10:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Long Island had a strong showing. 11 in Fab 40. Overall MVP, Runner up MVP and one of the All-Star game MVP's all from Long Island. 3 of the top 5 players on that day from Long Island. That's pretty good. All 232 kids deserve credit for playing hard in such harsh weather conditions.


Amen to that. The conditions were horrible and the talent was really good, but I still wouldn't say I would be running out and trying to get many if any to commit. I know there were a couple of guys who had committed, and one who had gotten quite a bit of pub from IL, and he has been invisible most of the fall.

There was a lot of skill, but kids are still changing to fast.


Congrats to all of the kids who played in such poor conditions. It would be better if this event were held October to reduce the chance of poor weather.

My son, age 14, said there were kids on his team that were 16 years old. On his 20 person team 6 were from the class of 2016 that had been or were going to be held back. Doesn't seem right, but you've got to work with the hand you're dealt.


This is a disgrace and a joke. Gee.. I wonder if the kids 2 years older looked stronger and faster that the 14 year olds. Let me guess they were from MD and PA prep schools. NXT should be ashamed of themselves. These venues need to step up and start going by age. It's an outrage...


Why should NXT be ashamed. They are serving a market, like it or not. Consumers have the option to attend or not attend the tournaments where MD and PA players attend because everyone knows they hold kids back....
Why do you think it is that these events are so successful and well attended by coaches? Because the college coaches care only about the grad year, not the age.
Why doesn't someone on LI host an age based showcase or tournament? I would be curious to see attendance from both player and coach perspectives.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 11:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CageSage
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are these questions significantly easier to answer for a 17 year-old than a 15/16 year-old?

Originally, the concern with early commitments was that a freshman or sophomore could not effectively decide on a college as they were not sufficiently developed to know their academic interests.

Now, we have to worry about things from a coach's perspective? If a coach does not believe he or she cannot sufficiently analyze a recruit, isn't the better choice to back away from the recruitment wars for freshmen and sophomores?

Oh, wait, we cannot allow our program to fall behind. But what about Quint's questions? Ah heck, they don't matter anyway.

Get the point?


I think the coaches view recruiting a kid at 15 or 16 as a free option. If the kid develops into the player/student that they anticipate, great. If not, they can terminate the offer or throw the kid onto the roster where he will never see the field. Most schools carry a roster of 40+ kids, many of whom are receiving no money from the program; hence the free option concept. It is probably safer for a coach to recruit a younger kid and gamble on their success rather than miss someone.


Doesn't work the way you're saying at all!! The kids are committing with detailed scholarships in place, once the agreement is made the coach has committed to an offer, he stands by it. That's why it's called a commitment. A gamble, maybe but that's on the coach. Scholarships are not taken back unless specific stipulations on performance are set (I believe Duke does this)


Then it's a $10k to $15k option since most kids aren;t getting full rides
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/25/13 11:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Long Island had a strong showing. 11 in Fab 40. Overall MVP, Runner up MVP and one of the All-Star game MVP's all from Long Island. 3 of the top 5 players on that day from Long Island. That's pretty good. All 232 kids deserve credit for playing hard in such harsh weather conditions.


Amen to that. The conditions were horrible and the talent was really good, but I still wouldn't say I would be running out and trying to get many if any to commit. I know there were a couple of guys who had committed, and one who had gotten quite a bit of pub from IL, and he has been invisible most of the fall.

There was a lot of skill, but kids are still changing to fast.


Congrats to all of the kids who played in such poor conditions. It would be better if this event were held October to reduce the chance of poor weather.

My son, age 14, said there were kids on his team that were 16 years old. On his 20 person team 6 were from the class of 2016 that had been or were going to be held back. Doesn't seem right, but you've got to work with the hand you're dealt.


This is a disgrace and a joke. Gee.. I wonder if the kids 2 years older looked stronger and faster that the 14 year olds. Let me guess they were from MD and PA prep schools. NXT should be ashamed of themselves. These venues need to step up and start going by age. It's an outrage...


Why should NXT be ashamed. They are serving a market, like it or not. Consumers have the option to attend or not attend the tournaments where MD and PA players attend because everyone knows they hold kids back....
Why do you think it is that these events are so successful and well attended by coaches? Because the college coaches care only about the grad year, not the age.
Why doesn't someone on LI host an age based showcase or tournament? I would be curious to see attendance from both player and coach perspectives.


Exactly, why are people so dense??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/26/13 12:51 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Long Island well represented in the Philly Showcase Allstar final game amongst a truly nation wide participation.

2 turtles (LSM,MIDDY)
4 express (LSM ask middy's)
3 fl$ (A, D, LSM)
2 91 (A,D)

One 91 kid overall MVP (D) and one 91 kid Allstar game MVP (A)

Sub freezing temps all day for team games. Kudos to those who could play in such unfavorable conditions.

Express and fl$ had more players in the All-Star game than the Turtles and 91 had an equal amount. What happened?


Didn't those 2 91 MVP kids use to play for the turtles?


only 3 turtles participated in the showcase 2 made the all-star game.
1 of them came in second in f/o competition, doesn't even fo for turtles
as for the MVP, not lost on anyone they show well in the individual event. Turtles are a team
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/26/13 03:22 AM
College coaches don't recruit teams. They recruit individual players who can play regardless of circumstances weather conditions, pain, and without the comfort of their regular teammates. They just get it done without excuses.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/26/13 04:11 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
College coaches don't recruit teams. They recruit individual players who can play regardless of circumstances weather conditions, pain, and without the comfort of their regular teammates. They just get it done without excuses.


Amen to that statement. And from the rumor mill; turtles that went to Philly as individual players did so at their own risk of being booted off the team...papa joe no likey.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/26/13 11:34 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Long Island had a strong showing. 11 in Fab 40. Overall MVP, Runner up MVP and one of the All-Star game MVP's all from Long Island. 3 of the top 5 players on that day from Long Island. That's pretty good. All 232 kids deserve credit for playing hard in such harsh weather conditions.


Amen to that. The conditions were horrible and the talent was really good, but I still wouldn't say I would be running out and trying to get many if any to commit. I know there were a couple of guys who had committed, and one who had gotten quite a bit of pub from IL, and he has been invisible most of the fall.

There was a lot of skill, but kids are still changing to fast.


Congrats to all of the kids who played in such poor conditions. It would be better if this event were held October to reduce the chance of poor weather.

My son, age 14, said there were kids on his team that were 16 years old. On his 20 person team 6 were from the class of 2016 that had been or were going to be held back. Doesn't seem right, but you've got to work with the hand you're dealt.


This is a disgrace and a joke. Gee.. I wonder if the kids 2 years older looked stronger and faster that the 14 year olds. Let me guess they were from MD and PA prep schools. NXT should be ashamed of themselves. These venues need to step up and start going by age. It's an outrage...


Why should NXT be ashamed. They are serving a market, like it or not. Consumers have the option to attend or not attend the tournaments where MD and PA players attend because everyone knows they hold kids back....
Why do you think it is that these events are so successful and well attended by coaches? Because the college coaches care only about the grad year, not the age.
Why doesn't someone on LI host an age based showcase or tournament? I would be curious to see attendance from both player and coach perspectives.


Exactly, why are people so dense??


Says the MD and PA parents that cheat. Face it, your telling u your kids they can't compete without you gaming the system for them. When they were age appropriate for the event two years ago they just couldn't measure up. So Mommy and Daddy found a way to get around the rules for little Jimmy. SAD. Talk about dense. STOP GAMING THE SYSTEM, YOU SKELLS. What's next? Are you going to shoot your kid up with HGH and horse steroids because they don't do drug tests at these tournaments? Good Lord... Do you people have any self respect? Any respect for your children? Even a hint of respect for the game? Obviously not.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/26/13 12:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Long Island had a strong showing. 11 in Fab 40. Overall MVP, Runner up MVP and one of the All-Star game MVP's all from Long Island. 3 of the top 5 players on that day from Long Island. That's pretty good. All 232 kids deserve credit for playing hard in such harsh weather conditions.


Amen to that. The conditions were horrible and the talent was really good, but I still wouldn't say I would be running out and trying to get many if any to commit. I know there were a couple of guys who had committed, and one who had gotten quite a bit of pub from IL, and he has been invisible most of the fall.

There was a lot of skill, but kids are still changing to fast.


Congrats to all of the kids who played in such poor conditions. It would be better if this event were held October to reduce the chance of poor weather.

My son, age 14, said there were kids on his team that were 16 years old. On his 20 person team 6 were from the class of 2016 that had been or were going to be held back. Doesn't seem right, but you've got to work with the hand you're dealt.


This is a disgrace and a joke. Gee.. I wonder if the kids 2 years older looked stronger and faster that the 14 year olds. Let me guess they were from MD and PA prep schools. NXT should be ashamed of themselves. These venues need to step up and start going by age. It's an outrage...


6 of the 232 boys were from Md...please stop this endless complaining. I mentioned before, I live in Md, my son is 14 and competes with anyone. Nothing in life is easy..keep complaining and your son will grow up making excuses for every time he isn't successful. What is outrageous is the endless complaining.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/26/13 12:57 PM
Life is not fair. We find a way to win. It's called human nature. I believe Darwin described it as "Survival of the Fittest". Stop with the excuses!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/26/13 01:40 PM
I believe the quote at the 3D recruiting seminar last year from Jamie Munroe was "if your kid is a marginal 2016, reclassify him and he'll be a good/great 2017". He obviously is practicing what he preaches with a half dozen kids on his national team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/26/13 01:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is a disgrace and a joke. Gee.. I wonder if the kids 2 years older looked stronger and faster that the 14 year olds. Let me guess they were from MD and PA prep schools. NXT should be ashamed of themselves. These venues need to step up and start going by age. It's an outrage...


Why should NXT be ashamed. They are serving a market, like it or not. Consumers have the option to attend or not attend the tournaments where MD and PA players attend because everyone knows they hold kids back....
Why do you think it is that these events are so successful and well attended by coaches? Because the college coaches care only about the grad year, not the age.
Why doesn't someone on LI host an age based showcase or tournament? I would be curious to see attendance from both player and coach perspectives.


Exactly, why are people so dense??


Says the MD and PA parents that cheat. Face it, you're telling your kids they can't compete without you gaming the system for them. When they were age appropriate for the event two years ago they just couldn't measure up. So Mommy and Daddy found a way to get around the rules for little Jimmy. SAD. Talk about dense. STOP GAMING THE SYSTEM, YOU SKELLS. What's next? Are you going to shoot your kid up with HGH and horse steroids because they don't do drug tests at these tournaments? Good Lord... Do you people have any self respect? Any respect for your children? Even a hint of respect for the game? Obviously not.


Says the parent that is fostering the "victim" mentality. There is always an excuse for your lot in life. "Son, you would be great if others did not interpret the rules to their advantage. They must be cheating". Stop with the complaining. I am sure the MD and PA parents complain just as much as anyone else about how the system works.

Sorry. It is called life. Life is not fair. If it were, everyone who just worked hard would succeed. Unfortunately, it is not that way, sad to say. I have taught my son, 14 yo , by the way, to deal with adversity, keep your head up and do things the right way, regardless of other's actions, and be able to look at yourself in the mirror and be proud of what you see.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/26/13 04:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is a disgrace and a joke. Gee.. I wonder if the kids 2 years older looked stronger and faster that the 14 year olds. Let me guess they were from MD and PA prep schools. NXT should be ashamed of themselves. These venues need to step up and start going by age. It's an outrage...


Why should NXT be ashamed. They are serving a market, like it or not. Consumers have the option to attend or not attend the tournaments where MD and PA players attend because everyone knows they hold kids back....
Why do you think it is that these events are so successful and well attended by coaches? Because the college coaches care only about the grad year, not the age.
Why doesn't someone on LI host an age based showcase or tournament? I would be curious to see attendance from both player and coach perspectives.


Exactly, why are people so dense??


Says the MD and PA parents that cheat. Face it, you're telling your kids they can't compete without you gaming the system for them. When they were age appropriate for the event two years ago they just couldn't measure up. So Mommy and Daddy found a way to get around the rules for little Jimmy. SAD. Talk about dense. STOP GAMING THE SYSTEM, YOU SKELLS. What's next? Are you going to shoot your kid up with HGH and horse steroids because they don't do drug tests at these tournaments? Good Lord... Do you people have any self respect? Any respect for your children? Even a hint of respect for the game? Obviously not.


Says the parent that is fostering the "victim" mentality. There is always an excuse for your lot in life. "Son, you would be great if others did not interpret the rules to their advantage. They must be cheating". Stop with the complaining. I am sure the MD and PA parents complain just as much as anyone else about how the system works.

Sorry. It is called life. Life is not fair. If it were, everyone who just worked hard would succeed. Unfortunately, it is not that way, sad to say. I have taught my son, 14 yo , by the way, to deal with adversity, keep your head up and do things the right way, regardless of other's actions, and be able to look at yourself in the mirror and be proud of what you see.


So now standing up for what's right and having a backbone are akin to "fostering the victim mentality". You must have been raised by wolves. Never said everything will be fair in life. However, I've got the guts to stand up for what's right and have told my children to do the same. Unfortunately, you've told your kid to hide and make believe things are all ok. Don't make waves, be meek. You see, sometimes in life you have to have confrontations. Sometimes it's the only thing that brings about change. What's going on in this sport with the afore mentioned actions by a growing number of parents is just WRONG. No victim here. It's called standing up for what's right. Regardless of how others want to label you. Now go take your 14yo to his 6th grade practice...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/26/13 05:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
College coaches don't recruit teams. They recruit individual players who can play regardless of circumstances weather conditions, pain, and without the comfort of their regular teammates. They just get it done without excuses.

Individuals win awards
Teams win championships
Winning programs recruit great players who can be great teammates
as Quint puts it "Winning Intangibles"
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/26/13 05:39 PM
I recently spoke to a D1 coach from a lax superpower at a showcase this past weekend. He looked me in the eye and told me "we sincerely hope the rules for recruitment change, we dont like recruiting kids at such a young age but we are forced to to keep up with the other programs. There is no realistic way to tell what a kid is going to be when he is a freshman in high school" He also imparted to me that a large majority of the other D1 programs feel the same way. I think change is coming and I for one cant wait. Too much nonsense going on.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/26/13 05:56 PM
Says the parent that is fostering the "victim" mentality. There is always an excuse for your lot in life. "Son, you would be great if others did not interpret the rules to their advantage. They must be cheating". Stop with the complaining. I am sure the MD and PA parents complain just as much as anyone else about how the system works.

Sorry. It is called life. Life is not fair. If it were, everyone who just worked hard would succeed. Unfortunately, it is not that way, sad to say. I have taught my son, 14 yo , by the way, to deal with adversity, keep your head up and do things the right way, regardless of other's actions, and be able to look at yourself in the mirror and be proud of what you see. [/quote]

So now standing up for what's right and having a backbone are akin to "fostering the victim mentality". You must have been raised by wolves. Never said everything will be fair in life. However, I've got the guts to stand up for what's right and have told my children to do the same. Unfortunately, you've told your kid to hide and make believe things are all ok. Don't make waves, be meek. You see, sometimes in life you have to have confrontations. Sometimes it's the only thing that brings about change. What's going on in this sport with the afore mentioned actions by a growing number of parents is just WRONG. No victim here. It's called standing up for what's right. Regardless of how others want to label you. Now go take your 14yo to his 6th grade practice... [/quote]

Complaining about the situation and claiming others are cheating is having a backbone????? Your parents were victims too, I guess. On my way to take my 14 yo to his HS varsity practice. No excuses here. No complaining. Just made the best of every situation. Kid worked hard at what he could change. Did not complain about others or what they were doing. Just WORKED through it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/26/13 06:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
College coaches don't recruit teams. They recruit individual players who can play regardless of circumstances weather conditions, pain, and without the comfort of their regular teammates. They just get it done without excuses.

Individuals win awards
Teams win championships
Winning programs recruit great players who can be great teammates
as Quint puts it "Winning Intangibles"


And the kids on those teams that made it there for poitical reasons will either not be recruited or get to college and never seen the field. Then they will just wind up hating the sport. I know several that this has happened to. So keep your kid on the team where the overall skill level is above him, and watch what happens. How do you think these kids are already feeling now as there teamates are getting noticed and they're not?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/26/13 07:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Says the parent that is fostering the "victim" mentality. There is always an excuse for your lot in life. "Son, you would be great if others did not interpret the rules to their advantage. They must be cheating". Stop with the complaining. I am sure the MD and PA parents complain just as much as anyone else about how the system works.

Sorry. It is called life. Life is not fair. If it were, everyone who just worked hard would succeed. Unfortunately, it is not that way, sad to say. I have taught my son, 14 yo , by the way, to deal with adversity, keep your head up and do things the right way, regardless of other's actions, and be able to look at yourself in the mirror and be proud of what you see.


So now standing up for what's right and having a backbone are akin to "fostering the victim mentality". You must have been raised by wolves. Never said everything will be fair in life. However, I've got the guts to stand up for what's right and have told my children to do the same. Unfortunately, you've told your kid to hide and make believe things are all ok. Don't make waves, be meek. You see, sometimes in life you have to have confrontations. Sometimes it's the only thing that brings about change. What's going on in this sport with the afore mentioned actions by a growing number of parents is just WRONG. No victim here. It's called standing up for what's right. Regardless of how others want to label you. Now go take your 14yo to his 6th grade practice... [/quote]

Complaining about the situation and claiming others are cheating is having a backbone????? Your parents were victims too, I guess. On my way to take my 14 yo to his HS varsity practice. No excuses here. No complaining. Just made the best of every situation. Kid worked hard at what he could change. Did not complain about others or what they were doing. Just WORKED through it. [/quote]

Your accusing someone of complaining, because he's willing to stand up for the right thing!!! What's so hard for you to understand? YES a 16 year old in a freshman showcase IS CHEATING. Plain and simple. YES that kid is gaming the system and soiling the game. How is that being a victim? What ever happened to honor, fair play, and love of the game? Why would you be arguing in favor of those your son supposedly was able to rise above? Do you think he deserves some additional accolades? Be a little humble and grateful. Perhaps your son could use his position to bring attention to the issue and possibly help make a positive change... With a parent like you that doesn't seem likely, mostly because he'll be the VICTIM of the example you've set for him. Best to your son. You're a fool.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/26/13 07:49 PM
I have been told by college coaches that Long Island kids are at a disadvanatge because they are younger, however they factor this into their decision making process knowing that LI kids have more upside and have out-performed the MD kids at the collegiate level. Inside Lacrosse reported the same.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/26/13 08:19 PM
I heard young boys from MD,PA & LI start playing lacrosse because they can't hit a curve ball.
I was recently at a very cold showcase and one of the Div 1 coaches who was not there would have told me the same thing. If in fact he was there and cared at all about HS freshmen.

Lighten up, all you LUNATICS!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/26/13 08:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Says the parent that is fostering the "victim" mentality. There is always an excuse for your lot in life. "Son, you would be great if others did not interpret the rules to their advantage. They must be cheating". Stop with the complaining. I am sure the MD and PA parents complain just as much as anyone else about how the system works.

Sorry. It is called life. Life is not fair. If it were, everyone who just worked hard would succeed. Unfortunately, it is not that way, sad to say. I have taught my son, 14 yo , by the way, to deal with adversity, keep your head up and do things the right way, regardless of other's actions, and be able to look at yourself in the mirror and be proud of what you see.


So now standing up for what's right and having a backbone are akin to "fostering the victim mentality". You must have been raised by wolves. Never said everything will be fair in life. However, I've got the guts to stand up for what's right and have told my children to do the same. Unfortunately, you've told your kid to hide and make believe things are all ok. Don't make waves, be meek. You see, sometimes in life you have to have confrontations. Sometimes it's the only thing that brings about change. What's going on in this sport with the afore mentioned actions by a growing number of parents is just WRONG. No victim here. It's called standing up for what's right. Regardless of how others want to label you. Now go take your 14yo to his 6th grade practice...


Complaining about the situation and claiming others are cheating is having a backbone????? Your parents were victims too, I guess. On my way to take my 14 yo to his HS varsity practice. No excuses here. No complaining. Just made the best of every situation. Kid worked hard at what he could change. Did not complain about others or what they were doing. Just WORKED through it. [/quote]

Your accusing someone of complaining, because he's willing to stand up for the right thing!!! What's so hard for you to understand? YES a 16 year old in a freshman showcase IS CHEATING. Plain and simple. YES that kid is gaming the system and soiling the game. How is that being a victim? What ever happened to honor, fair play, and love of the game? Why would you be arguing in favor of those your son supposedly was able to rise above? Do you think he deserves some additional accolades? Be a little humble and grateful. Perhaps your son could use his position to bring attention to the issue and possibly help make a positive change... With a parent like you that doesn't seem likely, mostly because he'll be the VICTIM of the example you've set for him. Best to your son. You're a fool. [/quote]

Good luck to your son, sir. Hopefully, he will be able to overcome all of the challenges he may face in a gentlemanly manner.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/26/13 09:12 PM
I am also a Maryland parent and agree with the poster. The MD mentality is a disgrace. There are two kids repeating 9th grade a Bullis right now. If they both repeat again and become 2018s it still would make no difference, because neither of them can play. But there is something to the point. My son is one of few 9th graders on his team who is 14.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/26/13 09:23 PM
That is the best quote for all those daddys who played Lax over baseball in the 80's. You know those who think because they played in the 80's they are gods. But truth be told, if you didn't make pony ball in the 80's you didn't make your HS baseball team and you played lacrosse.

The same cannot be said today. Over time the real athletes realized lacrosse was faster & action packed where baseball was a snoozer.


(of course there are those rare few who realized baseball was to boring and was ahead of the curve and played lacrosse for the love of it)


Originally Posted by Anonymous
I heard young boys from MD,PA & LI start playing lacrosse because they can't hit a curve ball.
I was recently at a very cold showcase and one of the Div 1 coaches who was not there would have told me the same thing. If in fact he was there and cared at all about HS freshmen.

Lighten up, all you LUNATICS!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/26/13 09:34 PM
My son was at the Warrior Diamond 2017 showcase this past Saturday. There were 10 kids on his team that were 16 years old, all from Maryland and a certain organization. My son played hard and didnt flinch, but there was a noticeable difference in size, speed and athleticism. There were hardly any college coaches watching the boys and if they were watching, they were watching the older boys. Its a shame what this sport has become. Its a sport for rich kids and prep school kids now.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/26/13 10:01 PM
It is really too bad noone gave you the right advice that the Diamond Showcase is a waste of time and money for all except the owner of that certain club in MD you mentioned who pockets the dough.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/26/13 10:27 PM
keep an eye out for the 3d national team roster that plays in the u-15 this summer. I suspect half of the kids from this weekends team will not qualify sue to age.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/26/13 10:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
keep an eye out for the 3d national team roster that plays in the u-15 this summer. I suspect half of the kids from this weekends team will not qualify sue to age.


3d person here. You are correct and that team for whatever reason didn't have any of the starting attack from the 3d Co team which is very good. The two UNC commits are too old as are several of the middies.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/26/13 10:41 PM
Is Be the best apart of 3D Teams?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/26/13 11:00 PM
As far as I know be the best is a series of camps that originated in California and is now part of 3d training/camps, but I wouldn't say it is part of their teams.

I think the guys who started that as well as California Gold are the guys who run 3d Northern California.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/26/13 11:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That is the best quote for all those daddys who played Lax over baseball in the 80's. You know those who think because they played in the 80's they are gods. But truth be told, if you didn't make pony ball in the 80's you didn't make your HS baseball team and you played lacrosse.

The same cannot be said today. Over time the real athletes realized lacrosse was faster & action packed where baseball was a snoozer.


(of course there are those rare few who realized baseball was to boring and was ahead of the curve and played lacrosse for the love of it)


Originally Posted by Anonymous
I heard young boys from MD,PA & LI start playing lacrosse because they can't hit a curve ball.
I was recently at a very cold showcase and one of the Div 1 coaches who was not there would have told me the same thing. If in fact he was there and cared at all about HS freshmen.

Lighten up, all you LUNATICS!


The only statement that made sense in this post is this:

(of course there are those rare few who realized baseball was to boring and was ahead of the curve and played lacrosse for the love of it)

Not sure where you're from, but I think that's one way to define what makes an area a lacrosse hotbed.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/27/13 07:27 PM
How was the Natl'l 175 event after the IMCLA decision re: mid-week recruting events. Did coaches show up? Seems to me Philly Freshman Showcase took all of the attention for this particular week.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/28/13 11:47 AM
Hello, our son was not at the Warrior Showcase, but has done several others this past month. It IS a shame that we choose to progress through our typical grades in a conventional manner, while many choose to stay back, repeat, or "post-grad" etc. If I am being too critical, please educate me as to why this is done, if it is NOT only to gain advantage overs in school and athletics. I do typically criticize the "PG" approach, but I hope that I will discover any real merit in benefitting the child, or confirm that which I already suspect. Thanks
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/28/13 12:12 PM
I am not a turtle parent. Do you get it at all? The team which you bash is made up of some of the best kids in the sport, all from nearby. They have a record which is second to none. It is true that these teams which are being put together, boast some fine players, a year or MORE older, from several states AT LEAST. There is no shame in dropping some games. These showcases are utilized to do just that, "showcase" the individual. There is simply some AWESOME ball being played these days. I only wish that more folks could sit back, watch, and enjoy more of it. It MAY influence what your child can take from the experience, rather than an education in how to be a bitter slouch. I also believe that the post grad method of stacking up a team will affect any silly 'standings" which have been so brilliantly debated on these threads. No shame here. Let these clubs select only the very best from several states. Even some of local, large named clubs are starting to follow, with ever changing rosters, kids flip flopping teams to suit the outcome. I believe that it is dishonest, but who determines this? The fact is that Long Island teams will not win easily anymore at these events. In closing, the team which some bash so quickly has lost a couple of key players. So be it. They are not weak, and have become a little more human. Long Island would have to take a few best from each top team, and a few from surrounding states, and then enter them in a year younger division. This is what is currently taking place. I think that losing a game by a goal or two, or even winning 3 of 4, or 2 of 4 against these teams is pretty decent. Don't hate.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/28/13 12:26 PM
Sadly your suspicions are on point. Attendance would flounder. It is, however, frustrating to field a team of TRUE 9th graders, against kids whom FIRST, benefit from a later enrollment cut off date, SECONDLY, repeat a year of schooling. This CAN, but does not ALWAYS, result in a 16 year old freshman, who will reach 17 years of age in spring of his/ her freshman year. Is this odd to you at all? If I am not accurate, please educate. Thanks. Oh, that was a beautiful Aston Martin that your freshman pulled up in at Philly!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/28/13 04:35 PM
People bash on the Turtles because they have been an entitled group of kids (and parents) for years. They've also lost a few key kids, and this trend will continue.

As for some teams having older kids, that may be true, but the situation is way overblown. Amazing how LI parents are so obsessed about an issue that doesn't exist.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/28/13 04:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
People bash on the Turtles because they have been an entitled group of kids (and parents) for years. They've also lost a few key kids, and this trend will continue.

As for some teams having older kids, that may be true, but the situation is way overblown. Amazing how LI parents are so obsessed about an issue that doesn't exist.


You are either naive or in denial. The issue does exist and will continue to exist. LI players heve benefitted from playing "up" against the MD teams. This is evidenced later at the collegiate level where the age difference doesn't matter anymore and LI players consistently out perform MD players.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/28/13 05:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
People bash on the Turtles because they have been an entitled group of kids (and parents) for years. They've also lost a few key kids, and this trend will continue.

As for some teams having older kids, that may be true, but the situation is way overblown. Amazing how LI parents are so obsessed about an issue that doesn't exist.


You are either naive or in denial. The issue does exist and will continue to exist. LI players heve benefitted from playing "up" against the MD teams. This is evidenced later at the collegiate level where the age difference doesn't matter anymore and LI players consistently out perform MD players.


The number of "older" kids from certain states is nominal in numbers. It is also speaks to the paranoia of LI parents. Look at hockey. Nearly every hockey kid from Canada is older than their US counterpart. You don't see US parents crying about any differential in age. Seriously, you look silly.

As for LI kids outperforming MD kids in college (or kids from any state), where is your evidence, and what criteria do you use to determine "better". There are tons of LI kids who do great in the college ranks, and they should - the number of kids from NY who play lacrosse dwarfs any other state.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/28/13 05:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
People bash on the Turtles because they have been an entitled group of kids (and parents) for years. They've also lost a few key kids, and this trend will continue.

As for some teams having older kids, that may be true, but the situation is way overblown. Amazing how LI parents are so obsessed about an issue that doesn't exist.


Issue doesn't exist?? In that well known league in Philly it's an epidemic. To say otherwise is laughable. Believe it or not, some of us folks up here in LI have relatives in Philly and MD. The gig is up. We all know what goes on. I guess we're all making up stories about 6 plus kids on a freshman showcase team being 16?? About ACC freshmen who's freshman room mates are 19 years old and turning 20 by spring. About freshman prep school kids being 2 years older than LI freshman. About 60 percent of all freshman that made jake reed were a year or two older. It's all made up. One last thing... Notice how LI travel teams beat every team up until the summer before 9th grade?? Then all of a sudden our kids can barely beat any of the top teams from out of state??? How does this happen? I wonder? Yet when the LI clubs go to the U-15 Championship they're always in the finals or win it. Oh yeah and the top clubs from MD and Philly don't show up or don't do well. Why?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/28/13 05:32 PM
As the parent of a 1999 freshman I have never complained of kids being held back and will never consider holding my kid back so can give the appearance of being bigger and "better". He has played up on many occasions in club and in school and has never used age as an excuse for someone beating him. He will end up better for it on the field and off. If a kid can only succeed by playing down and being held back he is the one who is at the disadvantage in the end when the younger kids mature and catch up. And he realizes he only succeeded when mom and dad put him up against younger kids.
Only the parent of a kid held back will say the issue is "overblown". Those of us with kids who excelled "on age " against older competition are not complaining or making a big issue of this matter. But we do have pity for your kids. You only think the matter is overblown because of guilt
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/28/13 06:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
People bash on the Turtles because they have been an entitled group of kids (and parents) for years. They've also lost a few key kids, and this trend will continue.

As for some teams having older kids, that may be true, but the situation is way overblown. Amazing how LI parents are so obsessed about an issue that doesn't exist.


You are either naive or in denial. The issue does exist and will continue to exist. LI players heve benefitted from playing "up" against the MD teams. This is evidenced later at the collegiate level where the age difference doesn't matter anymore and LI players consistently out perform MD players.


The number of "older" kids from certain states is nominal in numbers. It is also speaks to the paranoia of LI parents. Look at hockey. Nearly every hockey kid from Canada is older than their US counterpart. You don't see US parents crying about any differential in age. Seriously, you look silly.

As for LI kids outperforming MD kids in college (or kids from any state), where is your evidence, and what criteria do you use to determine "better". There are tons of LI kids who do great in the college ranks, and they should - the number of kids from NY who play lacrosse dwarfs any other state.


Look it up...Inside Lacrosse did a piece on this a while back.
LI/NY players out-perform MD players by a long-shot. So keep holding your kids back so your 16 year olds continue to beat the snot out of our 14 year olds. Guess who's going to come out better in the long run.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/28/13 06:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
People bash on the Turtles because they have been an entitled group of kids (and parents) for years. They've also lost a few key kids, and this trend will continue.

As for some teams having older kids, that may be true, but the situation is way overblown. Amazing how LI parents are so obsessed about an issue that doesn't exist.


You are either naive or in denial. The issue does exist and will continue to exist. LI players heve benefitted from playing "up" against the MD teams. This is evidenced later at the collegiate level where the age difference doesn't matter anymore and LI players consistently out perform MD players.


The number of "older" kids from certain states is nominal in numbers. It is also speaks to the paranoia of LI parents. Look at hockey. Nearly every hockey kid from Canada is older than their US counterpart. You don't see US parents crying about any differential in age. Seriously, you look silly.

As for LI kids outperforming MD kids in college (or kids from any state), where is your evidence, and what criteria do you use to determine "better". There are tons of LI kids who do great in the college ranks, and they should - the number of kids from NY who play lacrosse dwarfs any other state.


Here are the numbers.
IL can have all hometown MD kids on the top 50 ranks they want, bottom line they're not the most productive players in college by a long shot.
http://www.insidelacrosse.com/news/2013/08/13/coughlin-analyzing-hotbeds-numbers
Posted By: CageSage Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/28/13 07:06 PM
Extremely interesting information about the number of players participating in Division I programs as of August 2013. The implication is that the average year would produce about 96 NCAA Division I players per year.

What was surprising is that there are 30.5% of NCAA Division I players that are coming from OUTSIDE of these listed regions.

Region Number of Players % of DI Menís Lacrosse
Long Island (NY) 386 13.90%
New Jersey 277 10%
DC Metro Area 175 6.30%
Massachusetts 144 5.20%
Upstate/Central (NY) 138 5.00%
Canada 127 4.60%
Philadelphia/Main Line (PA) 126 4.50%
Fairfield County (CT) 110 4.00%
Baltimore Metro Area (MD) 102 3.70%
Ohio 76 2.70%
Westchester County (NY) 75 2.70%
Anne Arundel County (MD) 73 2.60%
California 64 2.30%
Colorado 56 2.00%
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/29/13 01:21 AM
So much crying from LI parents. Guess what - when you play in HS and college, you play against older kids all the time. Get over yourself (and no, I don't live in MD or PA).

As for the talk about what will happen in college, who cares? My son loves lacrosse, but that is not going to be his profession. He is going to college to learn and prepare for a professional career outside of sports.

Many of you LI parents are delusional.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/29/13 02:32 AM
...and MD has over 2x the population of LI.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/29/13 11:01 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So much crying from LI parents. Guess what - when you play in HS and college, you play against older kids all the time. Get over yourself (and no, I don't live in MD or PA).

As for the talk about what will happen in college, who cares? My son loves lacrosse, but that is not going to be his profession. He is going to college to learn and prepare for a professional career outside of sports.

Many of you LI parents are delusional.


Or Honest....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/29/13 03:30 PM
Who's delusional? Let's bring down the 16 year olds from LI to play your 2017's and then we'll see who's delusional.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/29/13 04:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who's delusional? Let's bring down the 16 year olds from LI to play your 2017's and then we'll see who's delusional.


LOL. There are no 2017 teams with 16 year olds. And guess what? Kids play older kids in HS and college all the time.

There is a direct correlation between crying over this non-issue and intelligence. And seemingly living in LI as well.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/29/13 04:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
...and MD has over 2x the population of LI.


LOL. I don't live in Maryland, but I have access to this new fangled Google machine, and this is what it spit out:

Population of Long Island: 7.57 million people
Population of Maryland: 5.89 million people


Don't let facts get in your way.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/29/13 05:07 PM
I didn't mean to kindle the flames of hate, but my ideas on this were merely based upon some sideline chats with parents of these kids on non-Long Island teams. The parents were not ashamed of the age difference. I am wondering why some folks, while on these threads, seem to completely deny the situation. It is frustrating, and I was hoping to start, or take place in more of a discussion forum. Never mind. Thanks, and good day!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/29/13 05:12 PM
Not so much crying, but highlighting a seemingly unfair advantage in competition. We will continue on our path, in a sportsmanlike manner, but the fact remains, that many of these competitors will attend a freshman year of college at age 20. It is your turn to now cast insults, my non-long island friend.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/29/13 05:20 PM
I love reading these posts. You guys are really doing a disservice to the reasonable people from LI.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/29/13 05:56 PM
How does one contest the claim, "there are no 2017 teams with 16 yr olds"?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/29/13 06:41 PM
Do you guys get paid for each whine?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/29/13 07:03 PM
Some of us LI parents have no problem playing against older kids. Bring it on. That's what we do in high school. Most of the better players on LI would have no interest in being left back a year because they don't need to.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/29/13 07:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Some of us LI parents have no problem playing against older kids. Bring it on. That's what we do in high school. Most of the better players on LI would have no interest in being left back a year because they don't need to.


It's funny how many of you get worked up over a handful of kids who may reclassify. You guys make it sound like the entire state is repeating a year.

LOL. Good Lord - there is a lot of paranoia on this board.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/29/13 08:05 PM
When its all said and done its more than a handful. No complaining here. I agree with the previous post. Our kids will play with older kids all day long!!!! "If you can play then you can play". I don't care if some these kids are 30 when they start college. That's on them. For our LI guys who play ....age is meaningless. But one thing is for sure. You guys would not want go up against the better LI kids if they "reclassified ".
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/29/13 10:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
...and MD has over 2x the population of LI.


LOL. I don't live in Maryland, but I have access to this new fangled Google machine, and this is what it spit out:

Population of Long Island: 7.57 million people
Population of Maryland: 5.89 million people

Don't let facts get in your way.


The 7.57 million includes approximately 5 million people from Brooklyn and Queens. These are boroughs in NYC where lacrosse is barely played. The 386 Div. 1 players from LI all come fromm Nassau and Suffolk counties.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/29/13 10:10 PM
3 of 4 players on some teams, no? Repeating a year, I mean. Is this not so? It seems that if you would stop the denial of this, it may die off a bit. I guess that soon somebody will start naming which teams, kids names, etc. Not a good direction.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/29/13 10:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When its all said and done its more than a handful. No complaining here. I agree with the previous post. Our kids will play with older kids all day long!!!! "If you can play then you can play". I don't care if some these kids are 30 when they start college. That's on them. For our LI guys who play ....age is meaningless. But one thing is for sure. You guys would not want go up against the better LI kids if they "reclassified ".


LOL. The fact that you can even say in jest "kids are 30 when they start college" shows you have some serious insecurity issues.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/29/13 11:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Some of us LI parents have no problem playing against older kids. Bring it on. That's what we do in high school. Most of the better players on LI would have no interest in being left back a year because they don't need to.


One parents experience:
I put my son on a u17 travel team after his first year playing varsity for a top Suffolk team where he hardly saw the field. Playing up that summer he was noticed as a rising sophomore that was able to hold his own with kids 1,2 and 3 years older. The coaches respected that and the interest poured in. Yale, Princeton, UNC, Maryland, Syracuse, Georgetown etc. We seized the moment and committed with a great offer. I believe my son's ability to show how could play and perform against older kids was impressive to the coaches. No excuses about being younger. Nobody cares, especially college coaches! Stop complaining about the age difference and use it to your advantage!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/29/13 11:59 PM
How badly would you whine if your teams were on a level playing field, against same aged players?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/30/13 12:52 AM
I feel sad for the parents that held their mediocre '16 back so he can get noticed amongst the 17's. If they were any good they would have been recruited last year. They'll be the most at risk at the next level as they wont be used to being challenged.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/30/13 01:30 AM
I think it sends a bad message to the child.
"hey sonny boy, you are not good enough to play against your own age , so we are going to have you play against the little kids so you standout more"
not a good message
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/30/13 03:46 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
3 of 4 players on some teams, no? Repeating a year, I mean. Is this not so? It seems that if you would stop the denial of this, it may die off a bit. I guess that soon somebody will start naming which teams, kids names, etc. Not a good direction.


Nope. That number is exaggerated. Nice try. Anything to justify a loss, I guess.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/30/13 03:47 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
...and MD has over 2x the population of LI.


LOL. I don't live in Maryland, but I have access to this new fangled Google machine, and this is what it spit out:

Population of Long Island: 7.57 million people
Population of Maryland: 5.89 million people

Don't let facts get in your way.


The 7.57 million includes approximately 5 million people from Brooklyn and Queens. These are boroughs in NYC where lacrosse is barely played. The 386 Div. 1 players from LI all come fromm Nassau and Suffolk counties.


And you think the entire state of MD plays lacrosse? LOL. Keep warping FACTS.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/30/13 01:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think it sends a bad message to the child.
"hey sonny boy, you are not good enough to play against your own age , so we are going to have you play against the little kids so you standout more"
not a good message
I posted this last year but think it is appropriate for this discussion again. My 2017 son (who had just turned 14) attended Jake Reed last summer and I was told by Jake Reed himself that over 70 of the 120 kids there were technically a year older than most state age cutoffs for rising freshman would be (not just LI which is more conservative). There were many 15 year olds and several 16 year olds. People were not even shy discussing it or hiding it. This is pervasive and becoming more so. Particularly when someone like Jamie Munro is essentially advocating it at his recruiting seminars at his camps. Not sour grapes here or an excuse, and kids need to compete regardless if they want to have opportunities, and I realize coaches don't really care, just the facts.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/30/13 01:29 PM
There is absolutely no denying that there are 16 year old kids playing on 2017 teams. My son and I were at the Warrior Diamond Showcase and there were kids openly talking about how old they were and how they repeated years and so on. Several of them were from a certain Baltimore area travel organization that just so happened to be hosting the event. I really don't care one way or another, my son will compete and be fine, but the physical difference between a 16 year old and a 14 year old is undeniable. The older kids at the Warrior definitely stood out and were definitely noticed by the few college coaches that were there. I think its definitely an unfair advantage but I also think thats the way it is and not worth complaining about. However, the denials that this is going on is just plain laughable. At the fl$ in 3D shootout a few weeks ago, the 3D Canada team was filled with 17 year old "reclassified" kids who were playing in a 2016 bracket. One mother told a few of us her son started school late, and shes already held him back a year, and shes considering having him do a PG year if hes drawing interest from a big time school. Make no mistake, this is something the Director of 3D lacrosse openly advocates. He did it with his own son, who is 16 years old and a 2017 and just committed to North Carolina. This is not some delusional, made up conspiracy by Long Island parents, this is an actual strategy by many coaches and parents alike to give their sons an edge in college recruitment. Like someone stated earlier, "college coaches only care about grade, not age". Given the fact that the college recruitment schedule seems like it has accelerated, there is no denying that this is giving these older kids an advantage. Just take a look at the 2017 kids that have committed so far, not one of them is a true 2017, all of them are hold backs and "reclassified". So in closing I would say to the Long Island parents to stop whining because theres nothing we can do about it, and I would say to the parents of the hold backs and grade repeaters, stop denying it and be truthful about it already.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 - 11/30/13 01:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
3 of 4 players on some teams, no? Repeating a year, I mean.