BOTC is opening our Fall 2013 through Summer 2014 thread covering the Boys 2017 (9th Grade) age group.
In order to introduce this year's thread, we are categorizing this age group's tryouts by date.
8/25, Outlaws, 1:00pm
9/7, fl$, 5:00pm
9/7, Revolution, 6:00pm
9/8, Team 91, 12:00pm
9/8, fl$, 5:00pm
9/14, True Blue, 1:00pm
9/15, Outlaws, 10:45am
9/15, Team 91, 3:00pm
9/15, True Blue, 4:00pm
9/28, Jesters, 8:30pm
9/29, Thunder, 10:00am
9/29, Jesters, 8:30pm
10/5, Revolution, 3:00pm
10/6, Recon, 6:30pm
So how many if the Terps Black players are looking at changing teams?
Heard that team 91 is raiding the Terps Black. Large size of Terps Black team is what is causing the move.
None of the parents were happy with the way the Express team was run this year. Too many kids on the team and constant change. Give credit to the boys on the team for making the best of it. I will not be surprised if many families went elsewhere. It is not worth the aggravation.
None of the parents were happy with the way the Express team was run this year. Too many kids on the team and constant change. Give credit to the boys on the team for making the best of it. I will not be surprised if many families went elsewhere. It is not worth the aggravation.
I would agree with this statement which is exactly why we are staying. There is pressure now for the organization to NOT let this happen again and we have been assured it will be a very strong team, again. After all, with all the disrupt no one can argue that it wasnt a strong team this year. Players coming and going will always occur. The first lines were very cohesive and played well together. The grass is not always greener....
Best time for the true talent to stay and play together.Teach your son it isnt always better on the other side and you dont always win!!just keep working hard and developing.
Will any of the 2017s be returning to the home roots to play and represent?Turtles Terps Gladiattors 91 ?
None of the parents were happy with the way the Express team was run this year. Too many kids on the team and constant change. Give credit to the boys on the team for making the best of it. I will not be surprised if many families went elsewhere. It is not worth the aggravation.
I would agree with this statement which is exactly why we are staying. There is pressure now for the organization to NOT let this happen again and we have been assured it will be a very strong team, again. After all, with all the disrupt no one can argue that it wasnt a strong team this year. Players coming and going will always occur. The first lines were very cohesive and played well together. The grass is not always greener....
And yet again, you fall for the same line...Amazing!!!
Heard that team 91 is raiding the Terps Black. Large size of Terps Black team is what is causing the move.
Raiding? or are Black running?
The size of the Express Team was far too large. Will Channy enforce a strict size limit and create multiple teams? Or are we stuck with another miserable experience? I understand that the grass is not always greener on the other side of the street. However ,fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me....
Channy doesn't show enough respect for his customers. That is why they are leaving.
Heard that team 91 is raiding the Terps Black. Large size of Terps Black team is what is causing the move.
Raiding? or are Black running?
Black are running. Plenty of options. Team 91 is pushing hard to convince the Express kids to join and the Parents are quite interested. This past year was not a healthy situation and it was entirely his doing
None of the parents were happy with the way the Express team was run this year. Too many kids on the team and constant change. Give credit to the boys on the team for making the best of it. I will not be surprised if many families went elsewhere. It is not worth the aggravation.
I would agree with this statement which is exactly why we are staying. There is pressure now for the organization to NOT let this happen again and we have been assured it will be a very strong team, again. After all, with all the disrupt no one can argue that it wasnt a strong team this year. Players coming and going will always occur. The first lines were very cohesive and played well together. The grass is not always greener....
And yet again, you fall for the same line...Amazing!!!
Falling for same line? Maybe because last year we were assured of a very competitive team and that's exactly what it was. It was quite clear that the core of that team were exceptional players. The disruption occurred when players were added that had no business being on that team. At first they were added to improve their skills with no promise of time. But of course in the end they played and the team fell off quite a bit when those lines went in. But that's ok with me for last year. This is a different and very important year. I will be shocked if the organization will let this happen again.
Heard that team 91 is raiding the Terps Black. Large size of Terps Black team is what is causing the move.
Raiding? or are Black running?
Black are running. Plenty of options. Team 91 is pushing hard to convince the Express kids to join and the Parents are quite interested. This past year was not a healthy situation and it was entirely his doing
Team 91 has a very different culture. When my son played them the kids were down right nasty and guttural on the field and the parents were no better. Not a reputation I or my son would like to be associated with. imho
None of the parents were happy with the way the Express team was run this year. Too many kids on the team and constant change. Give credit to the boys on the team for making the best of it. I will not be surprised if many families went elsewhere. It is not worth the aggravation.
I would agree with this statement which is exactly why we are staying. There is pressure now for the organization to NOT let this happen again and we have been assured it will be a very strong team, again. After all, with all the disrupt no one can argue that it wasnt a strong team this year. Players coming and going will always occur. The first lines were very cohesive and played well together. The grass is not always greener....
And yet again, you fall for the same line...Amazing!!!
Falling for same line? Maybe because last year we were assured of a very competitive team and that's exactly what it was. It was quite clear that the core of that team were exceptional players. The disruption occurred when players were added that had no business being on that team. At first they were added to improve their skills with no promise of time. But of course in the end they played and the team fell off quite a bit when those lines went in. But that's ok with me for last year. This is a different and very important year. I will be shocked if the organization will let this happen again.
What I especially didn't like was that they brought in all sort s of kids and created two teams specifically so the weaker kids could play more, yet when it came time for the stronger kids to play their games, we were told they were trying to give playing time to the kids who didn't get a chance to Play much. That made no sense since they had an entire separate set of games for them to play. Supposedly MC said it was a mistake, but I don't think he really believes it.
Heard that team 91 is raiding the Terps Black. Large size of Terps Black team is what is causing the move.
Raiding? or are Black running?
Black are running. Plenty of options. Team 91 is pushing hard to convince the Express kids to join and the Parents are quite interested. This past year was not a healthy situation and it was entirely his doing
Team 91 has a very different culture. When my son played them the kids were down right nasty and guttural on the field and the parents were no better. Not a reputation I or my son would like to be associated with. imho
One player already left the team for 91. Others are looking hard. I think if you listened to all kids at this age you would be shocked at what you hear on the field. Also unless you forgot, the Terps were penalized for a parents bad behavior in the Shamrock Shootout, so there is no monopoly on this type of thing.
None of the parents were happy with the way the Express team was run this year. Too many kids on the team and constant change. Give credit to the boys on the team for making the best of it. I will not be surprised if many families went elsewhere. It is not worth the aggravation.
I would agree with this statement which is exactly why we are staying. There is pressure now for the organization to NOT let this happen again and we have been assured it will be a very strong team, again. After all, with all the disrupt no one can argue that it wasnt a strong team this year. Players coming and going will always occur. The first lines were very cohesive and played well together. The grass is not always greener....
And yet again, you fall for the same line...Amazing!!!
Falling for same line? Maybe because last year we were assured of a very competitive team and that's exactly what it was. It was quite clear that the core of that team were exceptional players. The disruption occurred when players were added that had no business being on that team. At first they were added to improve their skills with no promise of time. But of course in the end they played and the team fell off quite a bit when those lines went in. But that's ok with me for last year. This is a different and very important year. I will be shocked if the organization will let this happen again.
What I especially didn't like was that they brought in all sort s of kids and created two teams specifically so the weaker kids could play more, yet when it came time for the stronger kids to play their games, we were told they were trying to give playing time to the kids who didn't get a chance to Play much. That made no sense since they had an entire separate set of games for them to play. Supposedly MC said it was a mistake, but I don't think he really believes it.
Channny was browbeat by the parents to take their weak kids. It was a business decision on his part. He could have hired a very strong coach for the B team and everyone would have been happy. This way no one was happy and the kids lost out on a year.
Gladiators breaking up....a bunch going to Outlaws tryouts.
Gladiators breaking up....a bunch going to Outlaws tryouts.
Maybe they should check Team 91 it's the team if he future ...
I think an important consideration this year when choosing a club is that they have lots of strong players with D1 potential. That is what attracts coaches Kattention at this stage. Terps Black have 6 kids who are legitimate D1 prospects. Would be interested in hearing from other clubs how many D1 prospects they have. By legitimate D1 prospect I mean a player who is recruited primarily for their ability, as opposed to someone who has good grades for academic index purposes.
None of the parents were happy with the way the Express team was run this year. Too many kids on the team and constant change. Give credit to the boys on the team for making the best of it. I will not be surprised if many families went elsewhere. It is not worth the aggravation.
I would agree with this statement which is exactly why we are staying. There is pressure now for the organization to NOT let this happen again and we have been assured it will be a very strong team, again. After all, with all the disrupt no one can argue that it wasnt a strong team this year. Players coming and going will always occur. The first lines were very cohesive and played well together. The grass is not always greener....
And yet again, you fall for the same line...Amazing!!!
Falling for same line? Maybe because last year we were assured of a very competitive team and that's exactly what it was. It was quite clear that the core of that team were exceptional players. The disruption occurred when players were added that had no business being on that team. At first they were added to improve their skills with no promise of time. But of course in the end they played and the team fell off quite a bit when those lines went in. But that's ok with me for last year. This is a different and very important year. I will be shocked if the organization will let this happen again.
What I especially didn't like was that they brought in all sort s of kids and created two teams specifically so the weaker kids could play more, yet when it came time for the stronger kids to play their games, we were told they were trying to give playing time to the kids who didn't get a chance to Play much. That made no sense since they had an entire separate set of games for them to play. Supposedly MC said it was a mistake, but I don't think he really believes it.
Channny was browbeat by the parents to take their weak kids. It was a business decision on his part. He could have hired a very strong coach for the B team and everyone would have been happy. This way no one was happy and the kids lost out on a year.
I doubt he will let this happen again.
Gladiators breaking up....a bunch going to Outlaws tryouts.
The Gladiators web site reflects that they will not be holding tryouts for this 2017 group. No additional details are available.
Heard that team 91 is raiding the Terps Black. Large size of Terps Black team is what is causing the move.
Raiding? or are Black running?
Black are running. Plenty of options. Team 91 is pushing hard to convince the Express kids to join and the Parents are quite interested. This past year was not a healthy situation and it was entirely his doing
Team 91 has a very different culture. When my son played them the kids were down right nasty and guttural on the field and the parents were no better. Not a reputation I or my son would like to be associated with. imho
One player already left the team for 91. Others are looking hard. I think if you listened to all kids at this age you would be shocked at what you hear on the field. Also unless you forgot, the Terps were penalized for a parents bad behavior in the Shamrock Shootout, so there is no monopoly on this type of thing.
And it's not even the over zealous parent or parents hollering because of bad reffing that I'm referring to. It's cursing at the highest level by both parents AND players. If that's for you then get out your muscle tees and belly up to the sideline. You're in for a culture shock!
I think an important consideration this year when choosing a club is that they have lots of strong players with D1 potential. That is what attracts coaches Kattention at this stage. Terps Black have 6 kids who are legitimate D1 prospects. Would be interested in hearing from other clubs how many D1 prospects they have. By legitimate D1 prospect I mean a player who is recruited primarily for their ability, as opposed to someone who has good grades for academic index purposes.
excellent point
I think an important consideration this year when choosing a club is that they have lots of strong players with D1 potential. That is what attracts coaches Kattention at this stage. Terps Black have 6 kids who are legitimate D1 prospects. Would be interested in hearing from other clubs how many D1 prospects they have. By legitimate D1 prospect I mean a player who is recruited primarily for their ability, as opposed to someone who has good grades for academic index purposes.
excellent point
An anonymous poster claiming the ability to assess 8th grade performance as "legitimate" D1 prospect is an excellent point? really
Heard that team 91 is raiding the Terps Black. Large size of Terps Black team is what is causing the move.
Raiding? or are Black running?
Black are running. Plenty of options. Team 91 is pushing hard to convince the Express kids to join and the Parents are quite interested. This past year was not a healthy situation and it was entirely his doing
Team 91 has a very different culture. When my son played them the kids were down right nasty and guttural on the field and the parents were no better. Not a reputation I or my son would like to be associated with. imho
A different culture? As in a culture where it's cowardly and just wrong to anonymously write absolute lies about 14 year olds? My son is on this team & there in not ONE nasty kid or parent among them.
None of the parents were happy with the way the Express team was run this year. Too many kids on the team and constant change. Give credit to the boys on the team for making the best of it. I will not be surprised if many families went elsewhere. It is not worth the aggravation.
I would agree with this statement which is exactly why we are staying. There is pressure now for the organization to NOT let this happen again and we have been assured it will be a very strong team, again. After all, with all the disrupt no one can argue that it wasnt a strong team this year. Players coming and going will always occur. The first lines were very cohesive and played well together. The grass is not always greener....
And yet again, you fall for the same line...Amazing!!!
Falling for same line? Maybe because last year we were assured of a very competitive team and that's exactly what it was. It was quite clear that the core of that team were exceptional players. The disruption occurred when players were added that had no business being on that team. At first they were added to improve their skills with no promise of time. But of course in the end they played and the team fell off quite a bit when those lines went in. But that's ok with me for last year. This is a different and very important year. I will be shocked if the organization will let this happen again.
Well, get ready for the shock of your life!!! This organization lets the same thing happen year after year. Good luck to your son
Gladiators breaking up....a bunch going to Outlaws tryouts.
The Gladiators web site reflects that they will not be holding tryouts for this 2017 group. No additional details are available.
Sounds like they are keeping the same team together but I'm just guessing. It doesn't say there won't be a team next summer.
I think an important consideration this year when choosing a club is that they have lots of strong players with D1 potential. That is what attracts coaches Kattention at this stage. Terps Black have 6 kids who are legitimate D1 prospects. Would be interested in hearing from other clubs how many D1 prospects they have. By legitimate D1 prospect I mean a player who is recruited primarily for their ability, as opposed to someone who has good grades for academic index purposes.
Oh brother....Really..
I think an important consideration this year when choosing a club is that they have lots of strong players with D1 potential. That is what attracts coaches Kattention at this stage. Terps Black have 6 kids who are legitimate D1 prospects. Would be interested in hearing from other clubs how many D1 prospects they have. By legitimate D1 prospect I mean a player who is recruited primarily for their ability, as opposed to someone who has good grades for academic index purposes.
Oh brother....Really..
Actually a pretty good question,since the recruiting schedule has moved up. I would say at True Blue we have 4 solid prospects. Maybe two more that are close.
I think an important consideration this year when choosing a club is that they have lots of strong players with D1 potential. That is what attracts coaches Kattention at this stage. Terps Black have 6 kids who are legitimate D1 prospects. Would be interested in hearing from other clubs how many D1 prospects they have. By legitimate D1 prospect I mean a player who is recruited primarily for their ability, as opposed to someone who has good grades for academic index purposes.
Oh brother....Really..
Actually a pretty good question,since the recruiting schedule has moved up. I would say at True Blue we have 4 solid prospects. Maybe two more that are close.
91 had 6 D1 in the 2016 group and is on track for the same this year. Maybe more if we can lure a couple of the Express kids over:)
True Blue definitely has penty of D-1 potentials, problem is Most D1 coaches won't put up with selfish, and undiscipled behavior....
Word is out that Channy is building a super team for the 2017 class. He is taking the core of the Terps Black and has recruited some tremendous defenders. It is going to be the premier club for sure this year. Very athletic team that can play at a high speed. Don't listen to 91 talk. None of the core Express are even thinking of leaving. They really like Channy and all believe they are better players over the course of the last year.
Word is out that Channy is building a super team for the 2017 class. He is taking the core of the Terps Black and has recruited some tremendous defenders. It is going to be the premier club for sure this year. Very athletic team that can play at a high speed. Don't listen to 91 talk. None of the core Express are even thinking of leaving. They really like Channy and all believe they are better players over the course of the last year.
Didn't we go through this last year? Don't worry Terp daddy I'm sure your team will be the center of the lacrosse universe like it is every year. Premier club? Lmao..................you guys are unreal........news flash, no one cares about 9th grade club lacrosse? Here's a tip, stop worrying so much about your precious super team and concentrate on your son doing what's best for him
Aren't any Turtle dads going to chime in and claim rights to the Super Team ?
Word is out that Channy is building a super team for the 2017 class. He is taking the core of the Terps Black and has recruited some tremendous defenders. It is going to be the premier club for sure this year. Very athletic team that can play at a high speed. Don't listen to 91 talk. None of the core Express are even thinking of leaving. They really like Channy and all believe they are better players over the course of the last year.
So the problem with your team was the defense? Hmmmm. Im sure their current "defenders" feel GREAT if they read your bonehead post. Worry about your own kid dummy. You speak like you know every player/parent lacrosse desires its really annoying and problem inaccurate.
You have to love this 2017 forum. A new thread is started for the up coming year and we haven't missed a beat.
What is it about this age group? At least last year we didn't start up with these posts until after tryouts...
You have to love this 2017 forum. A new thread is started for the up coming year and we haven't missed a beat.
What is it about this age group? At least last year we didn't start up with these posts until after tryouts...
This is the pre tryout smack talk . I enjoy the various points if view. Really looking forward to the season ahead. I also heard that Channy is building a super team with best of Ferps and Turtles
Word is out that Channy is building a super team for the 2017 class. He is taking the core of the Terps Black and has recruited some tremendous defenders. It is going to be the premier club for sure this year. Very athletic team that can play at a high speed. Don't listen to 91 talk. None of the core Express are even thinking of leaving. They really like Channy and all believe they are better players over the course of the last year.
Spoken like a true Daddy of an attackman or middie, where there obviously wasn't any need to upgrade. What's the purpose of the tryouts anyway if "Channy" is already recruiting and building the team himself?
You have to love this 2017 forum. A new thread is started for the up coming year and we haven't missed a beat.
What is it about this age group? At least last year we didn't start up with these posts until after tryouts...
Agree.
My kid is part of this class of 2017. Youth lacrosse is over. Our kids are off to high school in a few weeks, I am sure we expect them to function as individuals on their own to feet and also act as young adults. Maybe we should do the same.
This is over, just let it go.
91 had 6 D1 in the 2016 group and is on track for the same this year.
And how many are sons of the coaching staff or family ties to the coaching staff???
Word is out that Channy is building a super team for the 2017 class. He is taking the core of the Terps Black and has recruited some tremendous defenders. It is going to be the premier club for sure this year. Very athletic team that can play at a high speed. Don't listen to 91 talk. None of the core Express are even thinking of leaving. They really like Channy and all believe they are better players over the course of the last year.
So the problem with your team was the defense? Hmmmm. Im sure their current "defenders" feel GREAT if they read your bonehead post. Worry about your own kid dummy. You speak like you know every player/parent lacrosse desires its really annoying and problem inaccurate.
Nothing against the defenders in place, was just noting that he is replacing the defenders that have left or are leaving with talented new kids
You have to love this 2017 forum. A new thread is started for the up coming year and we haven't missed a beat.
What is it about this age group? At least last year we didn't start up with these posts until after tryouts...
this is a new year and a new nasty crowd:)
True Blue definitely has penty of D-1 potentials, problem is Most D1 coaches won't put up with selfish, and undiscipled behavior....
But if the kids put the ball in the goal they will..:)
Word is out that Channy is building a super team for the 2017 class. He is taking the core of the Terps Black and has recruited some tremendous defenders. It is going to be the premier club for sure this year. Very athletic team that can play at a high speed. Don't listen to 91 talk. None of the core Express are even thinking of leaving. They really like Channy and all believe they are better players over the course of the last year.
Spoken like a true Daddy of an attackman or middie, where there obviously wasn't any need to upgrade. What's the purpose of the tryouts anyway if "Channy" is already recruiting and building the team himself?
I heard Channy was recruiting defense to replace one of kids who left plus a couple more who were supposedly leaving for 91.
You have to love this 2017 forum. A new thread is started for the up coming year and we haven't missed a beat.
What is it about this age group? At least last year we didn't start up with these posts until after tryouts...
Agree.
My kid is part of this class of 2017. Youth lacrosse is over. Our kids are off to high school in a few weeks, I am sure we expect them to function as individuals on their own to feet and also act as young adults. Maybe we should do the same.
This is over, just let it go.
The whole reason we have anonymous forums is to rant lol
Aren't any Turtle dads going to chime in and claim rights to the Super Team ?
Rumor that terps are poaching some turtles
Word is out that Channy is building a super team for the 2017 class. He is taking the core of the Terps Black and has recruited some tremendous defenders. It is going to be the premier club for sure this year. Very athletic team that can play at a high speed. Don't listen to 91 talk. None of the core Express are even thinking of leaving. They really like Channy and all believe they are better players over the course of the last year.
Spoken like a true Daddy of an attackman or middie, where there obviously wasn't any need to upgrade. What's the purpose of the tryouts anyway if "Channy" is already recruiting and building the team himself?
I heard Channy was recruiting defense to replace one of kids who left plus a couple more who were supposedly leaving for 91.
If this is true that some players are being "recruited" then it proves the argument that the whole open tryout process is a pre-determined money grab chirade or put another way a "Chammy".
Word is out that Channy is building a super team for the 2017 class. He is taking the core of the Terps Black and has recruited some tremendous defenders. It is going to be the premier club for sure this year. Very athletic team that can play at a high speed. Don't listen to 91 talk. None of the core Express are even thinking of leaving. They really like Channy and all believe they are better players over the course of the last year.
Spoken like a true Daddy of an attackman or middie, where there obviously wasn't any need to upgrade. What's the purpose of the tryouts anyway if "Channy" is already recruiting and building the team himself?
I heard Channy was recruiting defense to replace one of kids who left plus a couple more who were supposedly leaving for 91.
If this is true that some players are being "recruited" then it proves the argument that the whole open tryout process is a pre-determined money grab chirade or put another way a "Chammy".
I don't think it is a charade in total, They are looking to improve the team. The basic problem with this organization is that money drives everything. 100 tryout fee is ridiculous.
How is the Jesters A Team 2017? Also is there going to be an A and B team this year or just one team?
Word is out that Channy is building a super team for the 2017 class. He is taking the core of the Terps Black and has recruited some tremendous defenders. It is going to be the premier club for sure this year. Very athletic team that can play at a high speed. Don't listen to 91 talk. None of the core Express are even thinking of leaving. They really like Channy and all believe they are better players over the course of the last year.
Spoken like a true Daddy of an attackman or middie, where there obviously wasn't any need to upgrade. What's the purpose of the tryouts anyway if "Channy" is already recruiting and building the team himself?
I heard Channy was recruiting defense to replace one of kids who left plus a couple more who were supposedly leaving for 91.
If this is true that some players are being "recruited" then it proves the argument that the whole open tryout process is a pre-determined money grab chirade or put another way a "Chammy".
I don't think it is a charade in total, They are looking to improve the team. The basic problem with this organization is that money drives everything. 100 tryout fee is ridiculous.
Would like to see them hire some coaches that teach
How is the Jesters A Team 2017? Also is there going to be an A and B team this year or just one team?
There will be as many teams as they have enough kids to fill. More teams means more money for the director. This summer the 2017 A team was good but not a top 10 team on LI in the age group and was closer to a strong B team than a legitimate A team. They had a lot of kids turn down the invitation for the team after a very good turnout at last year's tryouts.
How is the Jesters A Team 2017? Also is there going to be an A and B team this year or just one team?
There will be as many teams as they have enough kids to fill. More teams means more money for the director. This summer the 2017 A team was good but not a top 10 team on LI in the age group and was closer to a strong B team than a legitimate A team. They had a lot of kids turn down the invitation for the team after a very good turnout at last year's tryouts.
Jesters A were easily top 10 (not cracking top 5), and most of the kids they wanted accepted their roster spots, a couple went elsewhere. Your idea of reporting a fact is off.
How is the Jesters A Team 2017? Also is there going to be an A and B team this year or just one team?
There will be as many teams as they have enough kids to fill. More teams means more money for the director. This summer the 2017 A team was good but not a top 10 team on LI in the age group and was closer to a strong B team than a legitimate A team. They had a lot of kids turn down the invitation for the team after a very good turnout at last year's tryouts.
Wow, totally inaccurate post! First off, the 2017 Jesters Black team was a very competitive A team this past summer. We're they in the top tier? No, but they were definitely right there with fl$, Outlaws, etc. Your assertion that several kids turned down the team after tryouts is completely false. Please have some sort of clue before you start spewing nonsense!
How is the Jesters A Team 2017? Also is there going to be an A and B team this year or just one team?
There will be as many teams as they have enough kids to fill. More teams means more money for the director. This summer the 2017 A team was good but not a top 10 team on LI in the age group and was closer to a strong B team than a legitimate A team. They had a lot of kids turn down the invitation for the team after a very good turnout at last year's tryouts.
Wow, totally inaccurate post! First off, the 2017 Jesters Black team was a very competitive A team this past summer. We're they in the top tier? No, but they were definitely right there with fl$, Outlaws, etc. Your assertion that several kids turned down the team after tryouts is completely false. Please have some sort of clue before you start spewing nonsense!
I personally know 4 kids that turned down spots on the 2017 Jesters A team including my own son! 4 that I know of and I will assume that there were a few more!
You have to love this 2017 forum. A new thread is started for the up coming year and we haven't missed a beat.
What is it about this age group? At least last year we didn't start up with these posts until after tryouts...
This is the pre tryout smack talk . I enjoy the various points if view. Really looking forward to the season ahead. I also heard that Channy is building a super team with best of Ferps and Turtles
And I'm sure the current coach of the turtles will have no issue with this! Nice try stirring the pot though........
How is the Jesters A Team 2017? Also is there going to be an A and B team this year or just one team?
There will be as many teams as they have enough kids to fill. More teams means more money for the director. This summer the 2017 A team was good but not a top 10 team on LI in the age group and was closer to a strong B team than a legitimate A team. They had a lot of kids turn down the invitation for the team after a very good turnout at last year's tryouts.
Wow, totally inaccurate post! First off, the 2017 Jesters Black team was a very competitive A team this past summer. We're they in the top tier? No, but they were definitely right there with fl$, Outlaws, etc. Your assertion that several kids turned down the team after tryouts is completely false. Please have some sort of clue before you start spewing nonsense!
I personally know 4 kids that turned down spots on the 2017 Jesters A team including my own son! 4 that I know of and I will assume that there were a few more!
I know a kid that turned down Duke, and another one that turned down UVA.........
oh....if your son "turned down" the team they couldnt possibly be an "A" team! I am certain your 14 year old sets the bar for all of LI!
oh....if your son "turned down" the team they couldnt possibly be an "A" team! I am certain your 14 year old sets the bar for all of LI!
The opinion of the team being a good A team was based ONLY from on field performance!
Key word there is opinion!
How is the Jesters A Team 2017? Also is there going to be an A and B team this year or just one team?
There will be as many teams as they have enough kids to fill. More teams means more money for the director. This summer the 2017 A team was good but not a top 10 team on LI in the age group and was closer to a strong B team than a legitimate A team. They had a lot of kids turn down the invitation for the team after a very good turnout at last year's tryouts.
Wow, totally inaccurate post! First off, the 2017 Jesters Black team was a very competitive A team this past summer. We're they in the top tier? No, but they were definitely right there with fl$, Outlaws, etc. Your assertion that several kids turned down the team after tryouts is completely false. Please have some sort of clue before you start spewing nonsense!
I personally know 4 kids that turned down spots on the 2017 Jesters A team including my own son! 4 that I know of and I will assume that there were a few more!
To be one of the 47 kids on terps black, terps regular, or the other 3 teams at express in the 2017.... Why would you want to "play" on another team that might not be a super team?? Hello.... It's about playing the best competition as an individual, not winning some made up championship and getting limited playing time at best.... So silly
Why do you think the kids plays on Terps.
How is the Jesters A Team 2017? Also is there going to be an A and B team this year or just one team?
There will be as many teams as they have enough kids to fill. More teams means more money for the director. This summer the 2017 A team was good but not a top 10 team on LI in the age group and was closer to a strong B team than a legitimate A team. They had a lot of kids turn down the invitation for the team after a very good turnout at last year's tryouts.
you're delusional
Are Tenacious Turtles still going to be a team this year? Also how much does Express cost to be on? What are the top teams of 2017 in Long Island to tryout for?
Are Tenacious Turtles still going to be a team this year? Also how much does Express cost to be on? What are the top teams of 2017 in Long Island to tryout for?
Outlaws had 80 kids at tryouts today. Solid group. Still have another tryout in a few weeks.
Anybody get Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip Fall invite yet? His twitter said they would begin to be sent out yesterday. Also happen to be same weekend as the Philly Freshmen Showcase (Nov. 23rd) which a lot of kids are going to. I know some of those acceptances have already been received.
Actually did not know there was a fall Blue Chip, unless you mean the one over the winter in FL.
My son did get an invitation last year but we saved our pennies and didnt send him (3d). Will try again this year as the camps are becoming more relevant.
He was also accepted to National 175 and I will be sending him. This will be his first "Showcase" so its nice to go to something local and give him the experience to build on.
Actually did not know there was a fall Blue Chip, unless you mean the one over the winter in FL.
My son did get an invitation last year but we saved our pennies and didnt send him (3d). Will try again this year as the camps are becoming more relevant.
He was also accepted to National 175 and I will be sending him. This will be his first "Showcase" so its nice to go to something local and give him the experience to build on.
There is a Jake Reed Fall Showcase, see below. And according to his twitter site, invites have started to go out. I think Philly Showcase and Nat'l 175 are better Fall showcases than Jake Reed, but Maverick, Jake Reed and Black Card are the best individual showcases in the summer.
From website: Jake Reed Fall Nike Blue Chip
Dates: November 23-24, 2013
Location: Mecklenburg County Sportsplex, 1505 Tank Town Road, Matthews, NC 28105
Eligible Players: Current Freshman (2017 grads) current Sophomores (2016 grads) current Juniors (2015 grads) and current Seniors (2014 grads)
Opinions - is it wiser to have your son be the 5th or 6th attackman on a very well known team or even the stud of the "b" team of said organization or move on to a lesser known organizations "a" team and be the focus. Considering a move and would like some feedback.
Opinions - is it wiser to have your son be the 5th or 6th attackman on a very well known team or even the stud of the "b" team of said organization or move on to a lesser known organizations "a" team and be the focus. Considering a move and would like some feedback.
5th or 6th attackman rarely ever get on the field.
Opinions - is it wiser to have your son be the 5th or 6th attackman on a very well known team or even the stud of the "b" team of said organization or move on to a lesser known organizations "a" team and be the focus. Considering a move and would like some feedback.
I would say go to the situation where they give a crap about your kid and hes gonna get quality coaching and a chance to compete. You might also want to consider where he wants to go, I know its a crazy idea but if the kid isnt happy whats the point.
Opinions - is it wiser to have your son be the 5th or 6th attackman on a very well known team or even the stud of the "b" team of said organization or move on to a lesser known organizations "a" team and be the focus. Considering a move and would like some feedback.
I would say go to the situation where they give a crap about your kid and hes gonna get quality coaching and a chance to compete. You might also want to consider where he wants to go, I know its a crazy idea but if the kid isnt happy whats the point.
If the team has a lot of practice time and the coaches are decent, I would have him play with the stronger team. (Playing with the stronger kids in practice will help your son).
That said, only do it if you son is happy there.
Just an opinion.
Opinions - is it wiser to have your son be the 5th or 6th attackman on a very well known team or even the stud of the "b" team of said organization or move on to a lesser known organizations "a" team and be the focus. Considering a move and would like some feedback.
Just my opinion.
Kids need to be on the field getting touches in game situations. I would place my son on a team that provided him that opportunity.
Practicing with better kids is all well and good, they need on field experience at this age.
Don't let your ego of A v B get in the way of your player being on the field.
Actually did not know there was a fall Blue Chip, unless you mean the one over the winter in FL.
My son did get an invitation last year but we saved our pennies and didnt send him (3d). Will try again this year as the camps are becoming more relevant.
He was also accepted to National 175 and I will be sending him. This will be his first "Showcase" so its nice to go to something local and give him the experience to build on.
There is a Jake Reed Fall Showcase, see below. And according to his twitter site, invites have started to go out. I think Philly Showcase and Nat'l 175 are better Fall showcases than Jake Reed, but Maverick, Jake Reed and Black Card are the best individual showcases in the summer.
From website: Jake Reed Fall Nike Blue Chip
Dates: November 23-24, 2013
Location: Mecklenburg County Sportsplex, 1505 Tank Town Road, Matthews, NC 28105
Eligible Players: Current Freshman (2017 grads) current Sophomores (2016 grads) current Juniors (2015 grads) and current Seniors (2014 grads)
Anybody in 2017 age group get the invite already per above for Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip Fall event on November 23-24, 2013?
Actually did not know there was a fall Blue Chip, unless you mean the one over the winter in FL.
My son did get an invitation last year but we saved our pennies and didnt send him (3d). Will try again this year as the camps are becoming more relevant.
He was also accepted to National 175 and I will be sending him. This will be his first "Showcase" so its nice to go to something local and give him the experience to build on.
There is a Jake Reed Fall Showcase, see below. And according to his twitter site, invites have started to go out. I think Philly Showcase and Nat'l 175 are better Fall showcases than Jake Reed, but Maverick, Jake Reed and Black Card are the best individual showcases in the summer.
From website: Jake Reed Fall Nike Blue Chip
Dates: November 23-24, 2013
Location: Mecklenburg County Sportsplex, 1505 Tank Town Road, Matthews, NC 28105
Eligible Players: Current Freshman (2017 grads) current Sophomores (2016 grads) current Juniors (2015 grads) and current Seniors (2014 grads)
Anybody in 2017 age group get the invite already per above for Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip Fall event on November 23-24, 2013?
Yes still thinking about going or not though
Opinions - is it wiser to have your son be the 5th or 6th attackman on a very well known team or even the stud of the "b" team of said organization or move on to a lesser known organizations "a" team and be the focus. Considering a move and would like some feedback.
Just my opinion.
Kids need to be on the field getting touches in game situations. I would place my son on a team that provided him that opportunity.
Practicing with better kids is all well and good, they need on field experience at this age.
Don't let your ego of A v B get in the way of your player being on the field.
I think your better off being the 5th or 6th guy on a good team. You will get more looks from colleges that way. Being the stud of a team no one is watching doesn't further your objectives. Make the most of the playing time you do get.
Actually did not know there was a fall Blue Chip, unless you mean the one over the winter in FL.
My son did get an invitation last year but we saved our pennies and didnt send him (3d). Will try again this year as the camps are becoming more relevant.
He was also accepted to National 175 and I will be sending him. This will be his first "Showcase" so its nice to go to something local and give him the experience to build on.
There is a Jake Reed Fall Showcase, see below. And according to his twitter site, invites have started to go out. I think Philly Showcase and Nat'l 175 are better Fall showcases than Jake Reed, but Maverick, Jake Reed and Black Card are the best individual showcases in the summer.
From website: Jake Reed Fall Nike Blue Chip
Dates: November 23-24, 2013
Location: Mecklenburg County Sportsplex, 1505 Tank Town Road, Matthews, NC 28105
Eligible Players: Current Freshman (2017 grads) current Sophomores (2016 grads) current Juniors (2015 grads) and current Seniors (2014 grads)
Anybody in 2017 age group get the invite already per above for Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip Fall event on November 23-24, 2013?
Yes still thinking about going or not though
Philly Showcase for Freshman is the same weekend and I think much better and more well attended by colleges. No question Jake Reed is summer is important, Fall not so sure.
Actually did not know there was a fall Blue Chip, unless you mean the one over the winter in FL.
My son did get an invitation last year but we saved our pennies and didnt send him (3d). Will try again this year as the camps are becoming more relevant.
He was also accepted to National 175 and I will be sending him. This will be his first "Showcase" so its nice to go to something local and give him the experience to build on.
There is a Jake Reed Fall Showcase, see below. And according to his twitter site, invites have started to go out. I think Philly Showcase and Nat'l 175 are better Fall showcases than Jake Reed, but Maverick, Jake Reed and Black Card are the best individual showcases in the summer.
From website: Jake Reed Fall Nike Blue Chip
Dates: November 23-24, 2013
Location: Mecklenburg County Sportsplex, 1505 Tank Town Road, Matthews, NC 28105
Eligible Players: Current Freshman (2017 grads) current Sophomores (2016 grads) current Juniors (2015 grads) and current Seniors (2014 grads)
Anybody in 2017 age group get the invite already per above for Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip Fall event on November 23-24, 2013?
Yes still thinking about going or not though
Philly Showcase for Freshman is the same weekend and I think much better and more well attended by colleges. No question Jake Reed is summer is important, Fall not so sure.
Did Philly Invites go out?
Actually did not know there was a fall Blue Chip, unless you mean the one over the winter in FL.
My son did get an invitation last year but we saved our pennies and didnt send him (3d). Will try again this year as the camps are becoming more relevant.
He was also accepted to National 175 and I will be sending him. This will be his first "Showcase" so its nice to go to something local and give him the experience to build on.
There is a Jake Reed Fall Showcase, see below. And according to his twitter site, invites have started to go out. I think Philly Showcase and Nat'l 175 are better Fall showcases than Jake Reed, but Maverick, Jake Reed and Black Card are the best individual showcases in the summer.
From website: Jake Reed Fall Nike Blue Chip
Dates: November 23-24, 2013
Location: Mecklenburg County Sportsplex, 1505 Tank Town Road, Matthews, NC 28105
Eligible Players: Current Freshman (2017 grads) current Sophomores (2016 grads) current Juniors (2015 grads) and current Seniors (2014 grads)
Anybody in 2017 age group get the invite already per above for Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip Fall event on November 23-24, 2013?
Yes still thinking about going or not though
Philly Showcase for Freshman is the same weekend and I think much better and more well attended by colleges. No question Jake Reed is summer is important, Fall not so sure.
Did Philly Invites go out?
Yes
Does anybody know if Maverick Showtime invites have started to go out for 2017s? If not, when? Are Jake Reed Fall invites already done going out (I know some are out)?
Re: 2017 Team 91 tryouts on Sunday 12-2 at Farmingdale.
word on the LAX vine says it looks like some current top local talent in many positions are considering a switch and forming a very strong team right out of the box...several Brine and Jake Reed players allegedly going. Would love to have a kid in that group which is expected to show up. Might be worth just going to check out the tryout and see what the talent draw is.
Word on the "Lax Vine" Jim M was recruiting BIG TIME at Brine (not sure about Jake Reed) for kids to defect from their teams to go 91, I guess he got his wish. Lets see if they get theirs. The grass isn't always greener.
Word on the "Lax Vine" Jim M was recruiting BIG TIME at Brine (not sure about Jake Reed) for kids to defect from their teams to go 91, I guess he got his wish. Lets see if they get theirs. The grass isn't always greener.
like putting lipstick on a pig
Word on the "Lax Vine" Jim M was recruiting BIG TIME at Brine (not sure about Jake Reed) for kids to defect from their teams to go 91, I guess he got his wish. Lets see if they get theirs. The grass isn't always greener.
like putting lipstick on a pig
Sounds like someone didn't make one of the 91 teams....
Word on the "Lax Vine" Jim M was recruiting BIG TIME at Brine (not sure about Jake Reed) for kids to defect from their teams to go 91, I guess he got his wish. Lets see if they get theirs. The grass isn't always greener.
Imagine, a great lacrosse coach, that has been around "the game" for years, who knows talent & can coach in the pros, who
also rubs elbows with many DI coaches...Nah, I wouldn't want my kid anywhere near him
Word on the "Lax Vine" Jim M was recruiting BIG TIME at Brine (not sure about Jake Reed) for kids to defect from their teams to go 91, I guess he got his wish. Lets see if they get theirs. The grass isn't always greener.
Imagine, a great lacrosse coach, that has been around "the game" for years, who knows talent & can coach in the pros, who
also rubs elbows with many DI coaches...Nah, I wouldn't want my kid anywhere near him
if he was such a good coach why is his team so mediocre
if he was such a good coach why is his team so mediocre
You should avoid asking a question when you likely know, but might not like the answer.
Outlaws/ gladiator merge at 2017 , is it true
Does anybody know if Maverick Showtime invites have started to go out for 2017s? If not, when? Are Jake Reed Fall invites already done going out (I know some are out)?
Anyone on the above?
Does anybody know if Maverick Showtime invites have started to go out for 2017s? If not, when? Are Jake Reed Fall invites already done going out (I know some are out)?
Anyone on the above?
Literally just got mav
Does anybody know if Maverick Showtime invites have started to go out for 2017s? If not, when? Are Jake Reed Fall invites already done going out (I know some are out)?
Anyone on the above?
Literally just got mav
Just got Maverick. Have to pony up $695 in advance. Is this event a premier event that can charge that kind of fee?
Word on the "Lax Vine" Jim M was recruiting BIG TIME at Brine (not sure about Jake Reed) for kids to defect from their teams to go 91, I guess he got his wish. Lets see if they get theirs. The grass isn't always greener.
Imagine, a great lacrosse coach, that has been around "the game" for years, who knows talent & can coach in the pros, who
also rubs elbows with many DI coaches...Nah, I wouldn't want my kid anywhere near him
if he was such a good coach why is his team so mediocre
Not after today's tryout. Only 7 jake Reed / Brine players there and two who didn't make it.
(3 were X-turtles). Oh my....far from mediocre.
Does anybody know if Maverick Showtime invites have started to go out for 2017s? If not, when? Are Jake Reed Fall invites already done going out (I know some are out)?
Anyone on the above?
Literally just got mav
Son just got it as well. 100% worth it. Best showcase event at this point in the Summer, has supplanted Jake Reed as top.
Just got Maverick. Have to pony up $695 in advance. Is this event a premier event that can charge that kind of fee?
Does anybody know if Maverick Showtime invites have started to go out for 2017s? If not, when? Are Jake Reed Fall invites already done going out (I know some are out)?
Anyone on the above?
Literally just got mav
Son just got it as well. 100% worth it. Best showcase event at this point in the Summer, has supplanted Jake Reed as top.
Just got Maverick. Have to pony up $695 in advance. Is this event a premier event that can charge that kind of fee?
top recruiting showcases are philly freshman, maverick,jake reed (in no special order) congrats to all invitees.
Does anybody know if Maverick Showtime invites have started to go out for 2017s? If not, when? Are Jake Reed Fall invites already done going out (I know some are out)?
Anyone on the above?
Literally just got mav
Son just got it as well. 100% worth it. Best showcase event at this point in the Summer, has supplanted Jake Reed as top.
Just got Maverick. Have to pony up $695 in advance. Is this event a premier event that can charge that kind of fee?
For 2017s?
Does anybody know if Maverick Showtime invites have started to go out for 2017s? If not, when? Are Jake Reed Fall invites already done going out (I know some are out)?
Anyone on the above?
Literally just got mav
Son just got it as well. 100% worth it. Best showcase event at this point in the Summer, has supplanted Jake Reed as top.
Just got Maverick. Have to pony up $695 in advance. Is this event a premier event that can charge that kind of fee?
For 2017s?
yes
Does anybody know if Maverick Showtime invites have started to go out for 2017s? If not, when? Are Jake Reed Fall invites already done going out (I know some are out)?
Anyone on the above?
Literally just got mav
Son just got it as well. 100% worth it. Best showcase event at this point in the Summer, has supplanted Jake Reed as top.
Just got Maverick. Have to pony up $695 in advance. Is this event a premier event that can charge that kind of fee?
For 2017s?
Yes, last night received the invite
I heard the top two players on the turtles are going to fl$. Several players I know have turned down Turtle offers. Basically no one wants to be on a team designed for the owners son.
I heard the top two players on the turtles are going to fl$. Several players I know have turned down Turtle offers. Basically no one wants to be on a team designed for the owners son.
Yeah nooone would wanna go to one of the best teams in the age group. Naah
I heard the top two players on the turtles are going to fl$. Several players I know have turned down Turtle offers. Basically no one wants to be on a team designed for the owners son.
You heard wrong on all points. The two top Turtles are on the Turtles.
They should change their name to The Dinosaurs.
I heard the top two players on the turtles are going to fl$. Several players I know have turned down Turtle offers. Basically no one wants to be on a team designed for the owners son.
You heard wrong on all points. The two top Turtles are on the Turtles.
I heard the top two players on the turtles are going to fl$. Several players I know have turned down Turtle offers. Basically no one wants to be on a team designed for the owners son.
You heard wrong on all points. The two top Turtles are on the Turtles.
You are absolutely correct because those that left opened up the top two slots to those who remained.
Do you apply for maverick on website or is invitation only thanks
No application, requires coaches recommendation I believe which need to be submitted by end of August. May still be time, not sure, but I know many invites have already gone out.
Outlaws/ gladiator merge at 2017 , is it true
No Gladiatior 2017 team this year. The prior 2017 Outlaws black teamwas notified that many Gladiators would be in attendance at the Outlwas tryouts.....and there were a bunch (8-10) at the first tryout date. My understanding is that a good number were offered spots and a few have to come back to the second tryout this weekend.
I heard the top two players on the turtles are going to fl$. Several players I know have turned down Turtle offers. Basically no one wants to be on a team designed for the owners son.
heard going to 91. And the grass is never greener
Since fl$ tryouts are over how is their team looking?
I heard the top two players on the turtles are going to fl$. Several players I know have turned down Turtle offers. Basically no one wants to be on a team designed for the owners son.
heard going to 91. And the grass is never greener
The grass might be a lot greener if the kids aren't playing for 3 Napoleonic, sarcastic and unsupportive coaches whose nepotism is extraordinary and legendary at this point.
Heard a turtle kid from WM made Var team ?
Since fl$ tryouts are over how is their team looking?
You would need to see the roster first to determine that. Boys had until last night to register to accept the spot. Team will likely be up on their website in a few days. There was a tremenous amount of talent on both days, will need to wait and see.....
I heard the top two players on the turtles are going to fl$. Several players I know have turned down Turtle offers. Basically no one wants to be on a team designed for the owners son.
heard going to 91. And the grass is never greener
The grass might be a lot greener if the kids aren't playing for 3 Napoleonic, sarcastic and unsupportive coaches whose nepotism is extraordinary and legendary at this point.
Well if winning lots of tournaments means anything, they have done a good job.
Heard a turtle kid from WM made Var team ?
Are you talking about this past season or for next Spring? Nobody will know anything about next Spring until School practices start.
The first week of school and the coaches picked the varsity team for a spring sport?? come on now...
I heard the top two players on the turtles are going to fl$. Several players I know have turned down Turtle offers. Basically no one wants to be on a team designed for the owners son.
heard going to 91. And the grass is never greener
The grass might be a lot greener if the kids aren't playing for 3 Napoleonic, sarcastic and unsupportive coaches whose nepotism is extraordinary and legendary at this point.
Well if winning lots of tournaments means anything, they have done a good job.
Well apparently it doesn't if you have a few of their top players looking elsewhere.
I heard the top two players on the turtles are going to fl$. Several players I know have turned down Turtle offers. Basically no one wants to be on a team designed for the owners son.
heard going to 91. And the grass is never greener
The grass might be a lot greener if the kids aren't playing for 3 Napoleonic, sarcastic and unsupportive coaches whose nepotism is extraordinary and legendary at this point.
Well if winning lots of tournaments means anything, they have done a good job.
Well apparently it doesn't if you have a few of their top players looking elsewhere.
maybe these boys just weren't happy being one of the best and are moving to a team they are the best.
Does anyone know how good jr lizards were this year in summer (2017) ?
yeah sure, blame the fact that the two best kids jumped on the kids themselves...cmon man...everyone on long island knows why they jumped.
yeah sure, blame the fact that the two best kids jumped on the kids themselves...cmon man...everyone on long island knows why they jumped.
What kids and why did they jump
yeah sure, blame the fact that the two best kids jumped on the kids themselves...cmon man...everyone on long island knows why they jumped.
I don't! Why did they jump? & BTW who knows if they will be the "best" on the next team they go to
If everyone knows the reason why don't you explain it for us?
Does anyone know when the Express are going to announce their 2017 "Superteam". It was around this time last year. That's all we heard about. Would be great to see how many of those kids were retained. Especially after some of the top players left the Turtles. Anyone know where they ended up? Terps? fl$? 91?
Looking for some input on the recruiting camps for this age:
National Invite 175 - This fall and next summer
3D Blue Chip - Winter - FL
Phily Freshmen - Fall
Fab Frosh - Summer in CT
Maverick Showtime - Summer
Any others worth noting?
Quite a few already , could be dropping $2,000 in 1 year for camps.
Looking for some input on the recruiting camps for this age:
National Invite 175 - This fall and next summer
3D Blue Chip - Winter - FL
Phily Freshmen - Fall
Fab Frosh - Summer in CT
Maverick Showtime - Summer
Any others worth noting?
Quite a few already , could be dropping $2,000 in 1 year for camps.
My opinion in order of importance/cache developed from speaking with a lot of the top club coaches, college coaches, and parents of older boys:
Fall: Philly Freshman Showcase, Nat'l 175, Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip
Summer: Maverick Showtime, Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip, Black Card (NSCLA teams only), Top 205
Try and attend as many college showcases at schools of interest as possible. Although the school invite boys individually the showcases must be open to all to be NCAA compliant
Try and attend as many college showcases at schools of interest as possible. Although the school invite boys individually the showcases must be open to all to be NCAA compliant
Do you recommend the indivudual college camps over the showcases or in addition?
Try and attend as many college showcases at schools of interest as possible. Although the school invite boys individually the showcases must be open to all to be NCAA compliant
Do you recommend the indivudual college camps over the showcases or in addition?
Personally if your son has a group of schools he is targeting, the on campus prospect clinics are much more effective. Again anyone can sign up to these, but helps if you know when they are offered so you don't get shut out.
The Brine Nationals had a boat load of college coaches watching the High School teams, of course, you have to make one of the Long Island teams to attend.
Looking for some input on the recruiting camps for this age:
National Invite 175 - This fall and next summer
3D Blue Chip - Winter - FL
Phily Freshmen - Fall
Fab Frosh - Summer in CT
Maverick Showtime - Summer
Any others worth noting?
Quite a few already , could be dropping $2,000 in 1 year for camps.
My opinion in order of importance/cache developed from speaking with a lot of the top club coaches, college coaches, and parents of older boys:
Fall: Philly Freshman Showcase, Nat'l 175, Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip
Summer: Maverick Showtime, Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip, Black Card (NSCLA teams only), Top 205
Does anyone know when the Express are going to announce their 2017 "Superteam". It was around this time last year. That's all we heard about. Would be great to see how many of those kids were retained. Especially after some of the top players left the Turtles. Anyone know where they ended up? Terps? fl$? 91?
There shall be no "super team" for express.
The turtle shell has fracture and precious vital fluids have been irreparably spilled as 3-4 first line players left for hopes of better experiences as a player and a person.
fl$ has failed to gain a dominant increase in quality players. They have retained many very good players.
Express lost some quality players but has the depth to replace and maintain a strong base.
91 has been flooded with talented players seeking to form a cohesive unit of national championship level experienced players. Their prospects look good in that regard.
My 2018 son just got the invite to Jake Reed 3d Blue Chip camp in January. Would love to hear thoughts from any 2017'er whose son went? Worthwhile? Did son get picked for summer camp? Thanks for any input.
Does anyone know when the Express are going to announce their 2017 "Superteam". It was around this time last year. That's all we heard about. Would be great to see how many of those kids were retained. Especially after some of the top players left the Turtles. Anyone know where they ended up? Terps? fl$? 91?
There shall be no "super team" for express.
The turtle shell has fracture and precious vital fluids have been irreparably spilled as 3-4 first line players left for hopes of better experiences as a player and a person.
fl$ has failed to gain a dominant increase in quality players. They have retained many very good players.
Express lost some quality players but has the depth to replace and maintain a strong base.
91 has been flooded with talented players seeking to form a cohesive unit of national championship level experienced players. Their prospects look good in that regard.
Wow, you have your pulse on the top teams and know which kid went where when none of the rosters have been posted.
Does anyone know when the Express are going to announce their 2017 "Superteam". It was around this time last year. That's all we heard about. Would be great to see how many of those kids were retained. Especially after some of the top players left the Turtles. Anyone know where they ended up? Terps? fl$? 91?
There shall be no "super team" for express.
The turtle shell has fracture and precious vital fluids have been irreparably spilled as 3-4 first line players left for hopes of better experiences as a player and a person.
fl$ has failed to gain a dominant increase in quality players. They have retained many very good players.
Express lost some quality players but has the depth to replace and maintain a strong base.
91 has been flooded with talented players seeking to form a cohesive unit of national championship level experienced players. Their prospects look good in that regard.
Wow, you have your pulse on the top teams and know which kid went where when none of the rosters have been posted.
Because he's a 91 fruitcake that no matter what they do over there will never match what Express has. Aint nobody got time for dat!
My 2018 son just got the invite to Jake Reed 3d Blue Chip camp in January. Would love to hear thoughts from any 2017'er whose son went? Worthwhile? Did son get picked for summer camp? Thanks for any input.
For my son, it was a great experience. Very good position-level training from 3D combined with first showcase-type experience (4 games). For Mid-Atlantic region, good competition with many of the best players from LI, NJ, PA, etc. Also, for 8th graders, this is the only avcenue to Jake Reed which my son made. Don't do it for college exposure (none), although making Jake Reed is a plus, do it b/c it is well-run, good training, good competition, and will give your son some epxerience with showcase-type events and play against pretty good competition. However, this all has to be weighed against the expense as it isn't cheap.
Has anyone's son received an invite for Jake Reed for summer? I know Fall Jake Reed invites have already gone out and Jake's website/twitter says summer invites will be out by October 1st. Just not sure if summer invites have been sent out yet. Thoughts?
Thanks a lot for your thoughts. Really very helpful.
Has anyone's son received an invite for Jake Reed for summer? I know Fall Jake Reed invites have already gone out and Jake's website/twitter says summer invites will be out by October 1st. Just not sure if summer invites have been sent out yet. Thoughts?
Yes we did. The bottom of the email states there will be no direct invites to the summer camp without going through the winter proce$$...
That is true only for the 2018s/8th graders. The older grades have 120 direct invites (60 based on performance at Jake Reed rising freshman camp out of the 120 invited/60 from Jake that are self-selected) that will go out by October. I am asking for the 2017 kids not the 2018s but thanks.
That is true only for the 2018s/8th graders. The older grades have 120 direct invites (60 based on performance at Jake Reed rising freshman camp out of the 120 invited/60 from Jake that are self-selected) that will go out by October. I am asking for the 2017 kids not the 2018s but thanks.
Correct as far as I have been informed by a very reliable source
Does anyone know when the Express are going to announce their 2017 "Superteam". It was around this time last year. That's all we heard about. Would be great to see how many of those kids were retained. Especially after some of the top players left the Turtles. Anyone know where they ended up? Terps? fl$? 91?
There shall be no "super team" for express.
The turtle shell has fracture and precious vital fluids have been irreparably spilled as 3-4 first line players left for hopes of better experiences as a player and a person.
fl$ has failed to gain a dominant increase in quality players. They have retained many very good players.
Express lost some quality players but has the depth to replace and maintain a strong base.
91 has been flooded with talented players seeking to form a cohesive unit of national championship level experienced players. Their prospects look good in that regard.
Wow, you have your pulse on the top teams and know which kid went where when none of the rosters have been posted.
Because he's a 91 fruitcake that no matter what they do over there will never match what Express has. Aint nobody got time for dat!
Wrong again....just have good friends with kids on all the teams mentioned and have been informed as to such events.
I would have to disagree, however, with your assessment of the current status of the Express Vs 91 content. Phantom coaches (albeit good coaches) on one program Vs enthusiastic and experienced coaches in another growing program is not really an arguable point. One has become a pure money grab; the other a true learning experience for the players.
Does anyone know when the Express are going to announce their 2017 "Superteam". It was around this time last year. That's all we heard about. Would be great to see how many of those kids were retained. Especially after some of the top players left the Turtles. Anyone know where they ended up? Terps? fl$? 91?
There shall be no "super team" for express.
The turtle shell has fracture and precious vital fluids have been irreparably spilled as 3-4 first line players left for hopes of better experiences as a player and a person.
fl$ has failed to gain a dominant increase in quality players. They have retained many very good players.
Express lost some quality players but has the depth to replace and maintain a strong base.
91 has been flooded with talented players seeking to form a cohesive unit of national championship level experienced players. Their prospects look good in that regard.
Wow, you have your pulse on the top teams and know which kid went where when none of the rosters have been posted.
Because he's a 91 fruitcake that no matter what they do over there will never match what Express has. Aint nobody got time for dat!
Wrong again....just have good friends with kids on all the teams mentioned and have been informed as to such events.
I would have to disagree, however, with your assessment of the current status of the Express Vs 91 content. Phantom coaches (albeit good coaches) on one program Vs enthusiastic and experienced coaches in another growing program is not really an arguable point. One has become a pure money grab; the other a true learning experience for the players.
So you put down every organization less 91 then you state you have no connection to 91...I don't buy it but then again no need to. Enjoy your true learning experience this year as next year you will most likely have a different flavor in your mouth.
Does anyone know when the Express are going to announce their 2017 "Superteam". It was around this time last year. That's all we heard about. Would be great to see how many of those kids were retained. Especially after some of the top players left the Turtles. Anyone know where they ended up? Terps? fl$? 91?
There shall be no "super team" for express.
The turtle shell has fracture and precious vital fluids have been irreparably spilled as 3-4 first line players left for hopes of better experiences as a player and a person.
fl$ has failed to gain a dominant increase in quality players. They have retained many very good players.
Express lost some quality players but has the depth to replace and maintain a strong base.
91 has been flooded with talented players seeking to form a cohesive unit of national championship level experienced players. Their prospects look good in that regard.
Wow, you have your pulse on the top teams and know which kid went where when none of the rosters have been posted.
A couple of overrated turtle kids left for fl$. Several Express kids are getting cut and MC is recruiting some replacements. 91 is picking up possibly another Express kid. Bottom line is most kids are going to be in a good home one way or the other
Does anyone know when the Express are going to announce their 2017 "Superteam". It was around this time last year. That's all we heard about. Would be great to see how many of those kids were retained. Especially after some of the top players left the Turtles. Anyone know where they ended up? Terps? fl$? 91?
There shall be no "super team" for express.
The turtle shell has fracture and precious vital fluids have been irreparably spilled as 3-4 first line players left for hopes of better experiences as a player and a person.
fl$ has failed to gain a dominant increase in quality players. They have retained many very good players.
Express lost some quality players but has the depth to replace and maintain a strong base.
91 has been flooded with talented players seeking to form a cohesive unit of national championship level experienced players. Their prospects look good in that regard.
Wow, you have your pulse on the top teams and know which kid went where when none of the rosters have been posted.
Because he's a 91 fruitcake that no matter what they do over there will never match what Express has. Aint nobody got time for dat!
Wrong again....just have good friends with kids on all the teams mentioned and have been informed as to such events.
I would have to disagree, however, with your assessment of the current status of the Express Vs 91 content. Phantom coaches (albeit good coaches) on one program Vs enthusiastic and experienced coaches in another growing program is not really an arguable point. One has become a pure money grab; the other a true learning experience for the players.
So you put down every organization less 91 then you state you have no connection to 91...I don't buy it but then again no need to. Enjoy your true learning experience this year as next year you will most likely have a different flavor in your mouth.
Where is the put down in the above statement? If you take observations and reports by parent of the kids on those teams and read "put downs" as your interpretation; then clearly you are a very sensitive and uninformed individual prone to subjective claims.
Do your research. Then make an intelligent and informed comment.
BTW, What is it with the vast numbers of you Long Island guys and your emotional knee jerk petulant reactions to any discourse that differs from your own?
Insecurity and poor education is not a justifiable indication for rampant ignorance.
Definitely do Maverik and or Jake Reed. If you are realistic with your kids ability and have a good grasp of what level (D1, D2 or D3) he can play I recommend trying to get on campus of the schools you are interested in for their prospect camps.
Stop talking about individual kids. It is totally inappropriate. Back of the Cage should not allow this type of discussion.
Stop talking about individual kids. It is totally inappropriate. Back of the Cage should not allow this type of discussion.
BOTC has already handled the questionable posts that identified an individual player.
Where is the put down in the above statement? If you take observations and reports by parent of the kids on those teams and read "put downs" as your interpretation; then clearly you are a very sensitive and uninformed individual prone to subjective claims.
Do your research. Then make an intelligent and informed comment.
BTW, What is it with the vast numbers of you Long Island guys and your emotional knee jerk petulant reactions to any discourse that differs from your own?
Insecurity and poor education is not a justifiable indication for rampant ignorance. [/quote]
Blah, blah, blah...your eloquent use of the English language is shallow yet amusing. Great use of the Thesaurus. Like the "throw in" of you Long Island guys...deep!
I held my son out of the 3d Camp last year. I spoke with a recent D1 player who is now coaching and he said between the Travel Team he plays for and his High School Teams exposure, he would be fine and not need this type of camp.
I'm not sure if he was correct but wonder why we don't hear more opinions on this forum from coaches and past players who have real life experiences and benefit from this forum through their clinics and teams.
Where is the put down in the above statement? If you take observations and reports by parent of the kids on those teams and read "put downs" as your interpretation; then clearly you are a very sensitive and uninformed individual prone to subjective claims.
Do your research. Then make an intelligent and informed comment.
BTW, What is it with the vast numbers of you Long Island guys and your emotional knee jerk petulant reactions to any discourse that differs from your own?
Insecurity and poor education is not a justifiable indication for rampant ignorance.
Blah, blah, blah...your eloquent use of the English language is shallow yet amusing. Great use of the Thesaurus. Like the "throw in" of you Long Island guys...deep! [/quote]
Thanks for the compliment. English is my first language and thankfully I do not require the use of a thesaurus. Did you have trouble spelling that; or was it necessary to run into your child's study to learn to it? Not quite sure of your "deep" connotation. Sarcasm was intended on your part yet was not very "deep" at all. Shallowness: Yes; It is the one thing to avoid while attempting to converse with the typical blue collar Long Island simple minds who truly believe lacrosse will be their child's savior into a university hoping to compensate for years of video gaming instead of studying.
Please, return to your comic books and NASCAR events ASAP and do not concern yourself with adult dialogues as you might suffer a momentary epiphany of intelligent thought processes. Eek!! Perish the thought or the extremely remote possibility!
Have a nice day living vicariously through your child.
:-)
Are the outlaws going to become a better team this year? heard they picked up some solid players
Where is the put down in the above statement? If you take observations and reports by parent of the kids on those teams and read "put downs" as your interpretation; then clearly you are a very sensitive and uninformed individual prone to subjective claims.
Do your research. Then make an intelligent and informed comment.
BTW, What is it with the vast numbers of you Long Island guys and your emotional knee jerk petulant reactions to any discourse that differs from your own?
Insecurity and poor education is not a justifiable indication for rampant ignorance.
Blah, blah, blah...your eloquent use of the English language is shallow yet amusing. Great use of the Thesaurus. Like the "throw in" of you Long Island guys...deep!
Thanks for the compliment. English is my first language and thankfully I do not require the use of a thesaurus. Did you have trouble spelling that; or was it necessary to run into your child's study to learn to it? Not quite sure of your "deep" connotation. Sarcasm was intended on your part yet was not very "deep" at all. Shallowness: Yes; It is the one thing to avoid while attempting to converse with the typical blue collar Long Island simple minds who truly believe lacrosse will be their child's savior into a university hoping to compensate for years of video gaming instead of studying.
Please, return to your comic books and NASCAR events ASAP and do not concern yourself with adult dialogues as you might suffer a momentary epiphany of intelligent thought processes. Eek!! Perish the thought or the extremely remote possibility!
Have a nice day living vicariously through your child.
:-) [/quote]
I didn't realize Oxford had lacrosse. Wow!
Can anyone confirm if Express tryouts had a big turnout yesterday? I heard not really.
Can anyone confirm if Express tryouts had a big turnout yesterday? I heard not really.
over 100
Are the outlaws going to become a better team this year? heard they picked up some solid players
They might/might not be better. Depends on how new Gladiators mesh with the entrenched Huntington crowd....I see playing time issues arising with the Huntington crew.
Has anyone's son received an invite for Jake Reed for summer? I know Fall Jake Reed invites have already gone out and Jake's website/twitter says summer invites will be out by October 1st. Just not sure if summer invites have been sent out yet. Thoughts?
You should forget Jake Reed, overrated. Maverick Showtime had much more press and D1 representation this past summer. My son did both and Showtime was superior. They also gave the boys a really nice package of equiptment. You also need an invite
Can anyone confirm if Express tryouts had a big turnout yesterday? I heard not really.
over 100
The 2018 has close to 200 and the 2017 was some were around 150. After you count in the late arrivals. Lot of talent in the top 40 kids or so. Looks like a lot of the same kids from Terps and Treps Black. Dropped off after that.
Has anyone's son received an invite for Jake Reed for summer? I know Fall Jake Reed invites have already gone out and Jake's website/twitter says summer invites will be out by October 1st. Just not sure if summer invites have been sent out yet. Thoughts?
You should forget Jake Reed, overrated. Maverick Showtime had much more press and D1 representation this past summer. My son did both and Showtime was superior. They also gave the boys a really nice package of equiptment. You also need an invite
Thank you. My son has already been accepted to Maverick for this upcoming summer, was just trying to hear if kids have started to receive invites for Jake Reed for the summer already. The Fall Jake Reed invites are out (I think a lot of kids are going to Philly Showcase instead/same weekend), just wanted to hear if kids have received Jake Reed summer invites already as Jake Reed's website and Twitter said they will be out by October 1st.
Can anyone confirm if Express tryouts had a big turnout yesterday? I heard not really.
over 100
The 2018 has close to 200 and the 2017 was some were around 150. After you count in the late arrivals. Lot of talent in the top 40 kids or so. Looks like a lot of the same kids from Terps and Treps Black. Dropped off after that.
2018 had about 100...not 200. 2017 had about 125. I agree about the top 40...scary good....
Can anyone confirm if Express tryouts had a big turnout yesterday? I heard not really.
over 100
The 2018 has close to 200 and the 2017 was some were around 150. After you count in the late arrivals. Lot of talent in the top 40 kids or so. Looks like a lot of the same kids from Terps and Treps Black. Dropped off after that.
2018 had about 100...not 200. 2017 had about 125. I agree about the top 40...scary good....
I am actually a little suprised to hear that as the Terps Black/Terps 2017s are no doubt talentted but did not have the greatest summer last year. The team was not in the conversation for one of the top 4-5 club nationally. Are they getting better kids for this fall/summer. Again, no question they are very talented, but so will 91, Turtles, etc.
As an Outlaw parent, I can tell you the new relationship between the "Huntington crew" and new Gladiator parents has been nothing but fantastic.
As an Outlaw parent, I can tell you the new relationship between the "Huntington crew" and new Gladiator parents has been nothing but fantastic.
So after two tryout dates, you have a fantastic realtionship with other parents? That's great but I believe the poster was referring to the playing time issue that will arise once games/tournaments start and some of those "favors" that are on the team from Huntington don't see much playing time. The Gladiators spanked the Outlaws last year.....and those Gladiators who were at the tryouts were heads and shoulders above the attack/middie postions occupied by Huntington boys last season.
Don't you guys get tired arguing whose 14 year old boy is better? I've never seen such chest bumping/name calling over a kid's sport.
Don't you guys get tired arguing whose 14 year old boy is better? I've never seen such chest bumping/name calling over a kid's sport.
Nope... silly question.
Outlaws looked good on Sunday versus Recon. I was a recon parent and talked to some outlaws parents. The Outlaws apparently weren't done finishing their roster, but even if they add nobody they are very good.
Anyone know how good Team Long Island 2017 Team is? They seem to be in all the A tournaments.
How many kids have left the Turtles since the summer? The two Cold Spring Harbor kids are no longer on the Turtles website, how many others have left? Are they recruting new kids?
How many kids have left the Turtles since the summer? The two Cold Spring Harbor kids are no longer on the Turtles website, how many others have left? Are they recruting new kids?
There best player by far was the attackman from CSH. He started varsity as a 8th grader & played well. What team did he go to.
heard both CSH kids went to 91.
Anyone know how good Team Long Island 2017 Team is? They seem to be in all the A tournaments.
Team Long Island does not do grade based teams. They do age. Depending on the tournament a 2017 team could be playing their u14 or u15 team next year and yes the top teams will be in the A division. Each team (u14/u15) won a few tournaments last year.
To give an idea the u15 (u14 past year) team lost to 91 orange 6-3 in phili. The u14 (u13 last year) beat 2017 3village at stony brook and 91 navy, beat the jesters at phili. They lost to true blue 7-5 at maverick.
Fire Ball/Fire ball coming
Anyone know how good Team Long Island 2017 Team is? They seem to be in all the A tournaments.
Team Long Island does not do grade based teams. They do age. Depending on the tournament a 2017 team could be playing their u14 or u15 team next year and yes the top teams will be in the A division. Each team (u14/u15) won a few tournaments last year.
To give an idea the u15 (u14 past year) team lost to 91 orange 6-3 in phili. The u14 (u13 last year) beat 2017 3village at stony brook and 91 navy, beat the jesters at phili. They lost to true blue 7-5 at maverick.
I believe the question was about U17, so stop trying to get your jabs in about other teams, (typical wannabe), Team LI U17 is a top team. They won Philly invitational showcase, Dicks elite division 2012, and Stowe. They have players from freshman to Jr. They have several D1 committed players. Great team, half the price of of the others. Facts only
How many kids have left the Turtles since the summer? The two Cold Spring Harbor kids are no longer on the Turtles website, how many others have left? Are they recruting new kids?
There best player by far was the attackman from CSH. He started varsity as a 8th grader & played well. What team did he go to.
Yes he was, big loss for them, many others riding on him!
How many kids have left the Turtles since the summer? The two Cold Spring Harbor kids are no longer on the Turtles website, how many others have left? Are they recruting new kids?
There best player by far was the attackman from CSH. He started varsity as a 8th grader & played well. What team did he go to.
Yes he was, big loss for them, many others riding on him!
How did they do in the tournaments he didn't play in last summer?
Anyone know how good Team Long Island 2017 Team is? They seem to be in all the A tournaments.
Team Long Island does not do grade based teams. They do age. Depending on the tournament a 2017 team could be playing their u14 or u15 team next year and yes the top teams will be in the A division. Each team (u14/u15) won a few tournaments last year.
To give an idea the u15 (u14 past year) team lost to 91 orange 6-3 in phili. The u14 (u13 last year) beat 2017 3village at stony brook and 91 navy, beat the jesters at phili. They lost to true blue 7-5 at maverick.
I believe the question was about U17, so stop trying to get your jabs in about other teams, (typical wannabe), Team LI U17 is a top team. They won Philly invitational showcase, Dicks elite division 2012, and Stowe. They have players from freshman to Jr. They have several D1 committed players. Great team, half the price of of the others. Facts only
The question does say 2017 , not u17. Also didn't think I was knocking any team, just giving an idea as to how thye stack up against the other local a teams. Both u13 and u14 did very well this past year.
How many kids have left the Turtles since the summer? The two Cold Spring Harbor kids are no longer on the Turtles website, how many others have left? Are they recruting new kids?
There best player by far was the attackman from CSH. He started varsity as a 8th grader & played well. What team did he go to.
Yes he was, big loss for them, many others riding on him!
How did they do in the tournaments he didn't play in last summer?
There are three kids on the Express Black that have equivalent talent and are being recruited by the Turtles right now.
Can anyone confirm if Express tryouts had a big turnout yesterday? I heard not really.
over 100
The 2018 has close to 200 and the 2017 was some were around 150. After you count in the late arrivals. Lot of talent in the top 40 kids or so. Looks like a lot of the same kids from Terps and Treps Black. Dropped off after that.
2018 had about 100...not 200. 2017 had about 125. I agree about the top 40...scary good....
I am actually a little suprised to hear that as the Terps Black/Terps 2017s are no doubt talentted but did not have the greatest summer last year. The team was not in the conversation for one of the top 4-5 club nationally. Are they getting better kids for this fall/summer. Again, no question they are very talented, but so will 91, Turtles, etc.
The Terps had a great tournament at Lake Placid. Played very strong teams from an older division, went 4-1. They beat the Dukes several times ,Won the U maryland tournament and won the Indoor Nationals and beat everyone they played in the fall easily. No one put a whipping on them. The Crab Feast was played in 100 degree heat in games with 8 minute quarters so whoever got ahead won . So those losses dont count for much , as a matter of fact all the other so called great teams lost in that tournament as well. The problem on the express was not the kids on the team, it was the silly structure the team had which never allowed the kids to jell as a team.
As an Outlaw parent, I can tell you the new relationship between the "Huntington crew" and new Gladiator parents has been nothing but fantastic.
So after two tryout dates, you have a fantastic realtionship with other parents? That's great but I believe the poster was referring to the playing time issue that will arise once games/tournaments start and some of those "favors" that are on the team from Huntington don't see much playing time. The Gladiators spanked the Outlaws last year.....and those Gladiators who were at the tryouts were heads and shoulders above the attack/middie postions occupied by Huntington boys last season.
Hopefully the Outlaws don't have to deal with the crazy Gladiator mother who ran onto the field at the fl$ in 3D tourney and started yelling at a player from a Maryland team. I believe she was followed by an equally crazy father of another child! Good luck with those parents!!!!
Can anyone confirm if Express tryouts had a big turnout yesterday? I heard not really.
over 100
The 2018 has close to 200 and the 2017 was some were around 150. After you count in the late arrivals. Lot of talent in the top 40 kids or so. Looks like a lot of the same kids from Terps and Treps Black. Dropped off after that.
2018 had about 100...not 200. 2017 had about 125. I agree about the top 40...scary good....
I am actually a little suprised to hear that as the Terps Black/Terps 2017s are no doubt talentted but did not have the greatest summer last year. The team was not in the conversation for one of the top 4-5 club nationally. Are they getting better kids for this fall/summer. Again, no question they are very talented, but so will 91, Turtles, etc.
The Terps had a great tournament at Lake Placid. Played very strong teams from an older division, went 4-1. They beat the Dukes several times ,Won the U maryland tournament and won the Indoor Nationals and beat everyone they played in the fall easily. No one put a whipping on them. The Crab Feast was played in 100 degree heat in games with 8 minute quarters so whoever got ahead won . So those losses dont count for much , as a matter of fact all the other so called great teams lost in that tournament as well. The problem on the express was not the kids on the team, it was the silly structure the team had which never allowed the kids to jell as a team.
Really, beat Dukes several times in the summer (when they had their full team)? When and where? Again, not questioning the talent on the Terps Black/Terps and acknowledge the structural issues which may not have allowed them to fully gel, still didn't see them as one of the top, top teams this summer. Signature wins? Hard to judge Lake Placid, how about vs. other best 2017 teams in the summer?
How many kids have left the Turtles since the summer? The two Cold Spring Harbor kids are no longer on the Turtles website, how many others have left? Are they recruting new kids?
There best player by far was the attackman from CSH. He started varsity as a 8th grader & played well. What team did he go to.
Yes he was, big loss for them, many others riding on him!
How did they do in the tournaments he didn't play in last summer?
There are three kids on the Express Black that have equivalent talent and are being recruited by the Turtles right now.
We'll see, doubt they can replace who left. I'm more interested in why he left, I'm sure it's a good one!
How many kids have left the Turtles since the summer? The two Cold Spring Harbor kids are no longer on the Turtles website, how many others have left? Are they recruting new kids?
There best player by far was the attackman from CSH. He started varsity as a 8th grader & played well. What team did he go to.
Yes he was, big loss for them, many others riding on him!
How did they do in the tournaments he didn't play in last summer?
There are three kids on the Express Black that have equivalent talent and are being recruited by the Turtles right now.
We'll see, doubt they can replace who left. I'm more interested in why he left, I'm sure it's a good one!
Most likely because the team is controlled by parents and playing time issues etc. Also at the Blue Chip event, the turtle kids had to play against real defenders and they were exposed as not as great as advertised.
How many kids have left the Turtles since the summer? The two Cold Spring Harbor kids are no longer on the Turtles website, how many others have left? Are they recruting new kids?
There best player by far was the attackman from CSH. He started varsity as a 8th grader & played well. What team did he go to.
Yes he was, big loss for them, many others riding on him!
How did they do in the tournaments he didn't play in last summer?
There are three kids on the Express Black that have equivalent talent and are being recruited by the Turtles right now.
We'll see, doubt they can replace who left. I'm more interested in why he left, I'm sure it's a good one!
Anyone at the express tryout could very simply see, the ability level between the most of the express black and the turtles are really the same. Clear as day. Might have been a difference a couple of years ago but no more. No knock on the turtles they are great, but how many players have the lost so far?
Who cares about last summer? With all the roster changes talked about on this board what some team did last summer is inconsequential. It's time to start looking to summer 2014. I can't wait to see the ORANGE AND WHITE OF MIGHTY 91!!!! We're going to roll baby................
How many kids have left the Turtles since the summer? The two Cold Spring Harbor kids are no longer on the Turtles website, how many others have left? Are they recruting new kids?
There best player by far was the attackman from CSH. He started varsity as a 8th grader & played well. What team did he go to.
He is an attackman. Turtle offense runs through JD's son at Middie.
Yes he was, big loss for them, many others riding on him!
How did they do in the tournaments he didn't play in last summer?
There are three kids on the Express Black that have equivalent talent and are being recruited by the Turtles right now.
We'll see, doubt they can replace who left. I'm more interested in why he left, I'm sure it's a good one!
Can anyone confirm if Express tryouts had a big turnout yesterday? I heard not really.
over 100
The 2018 has close to 200 and the 2017 was some were around 150. After you count in the late arrivals. Lot of talent in the top 40 kids or so. Looks like a lot of the same kids from Terps and Treps Black. Dropped off after that.
2018 had about 100...not 200. 2017 had about 125. I agree about the top 40...scary good....
I am actually a little suprised to hear that as the Terps Black/Terps 2017s are no doubt talentted but did not have the greatest summer last year. The team was not in the conversation for one of the top 4-5 club nationally. Are they getting better kids for this fall/summer. Again, no question they are very talented, but so will 91, Turtles, etc.
The Terps had a great tournament at Lake Placid. Played very strong teams from an older division, went 4-1. They beat the Dukes several times ,Won the U maryland tournament and won the Indoor Nationals and beat everyone they played in the fall easily. No one put a whipping on them. The Crab Feast was played in 100 degree heat in games with 8 minute quarters so whoever got ahead won . So those losses dont count for much , as a matter of fact all the other so called great teams lost in that tournament as well. The problem on the express was not the kids on the team, it was the silly structure the team had which never allowed the kids to jell as a team.
"Those loses don't count for much"...muwahhahahaha!!!!! (but, the Fall wins do count;) Classic Terps Lax Daddy mentality. & "the Silly structure"? Come on, its typical Express "structure". Take everyone's money & try to please all of the crazy parents. It has only gotten worse over the years. Again, I'm sure the kids are fantastic lacrosse players but, please stop with the excuses & how there are "three better kids on our team than the Turtles". its really getting old!!!
amazingly it was only 100 degrees at the Crab Feast forn the Express, everyone else played in balmy 80 degree temps...damn you Mother nature, did your son get cut from the Terp Black team and you are taking it out on them??? Excuses, excuses
both of the turtle kids at 91. watched them at tryout and they were both skilled and smart. tough to replace that talent. great pickup for JM.
both of the turtle kids at 91. watched them at tryout and they were both skilled and smart. tough to replace that talent. great pickup for JM.
Why did the turtles leave?
both of the turtle kids at 91. watched them at tryout and they were both skilled and smart. tough to replace that talent. great pickup for JM.
Why did the turtles leave?
Can't be playing time, those kids played a ton and they have a small roster which hurt them when it counted. Happens every year, parents looking to position little johnny so he is the man
Team 91 tryout numbers for the 2017 team are up 26 kids. Talk about playing time issues
nope,easy to figure out the parents positioning little johnny were standing on the sidelines as coaches.
nope,easy to figure out the parents positioning little johnny were standing on the sidelines as coaches.
Exactly - and the Turtle offense had to run through little Johnny while daddy coached.
nope,easy to figure out the parents positioning little johnny were standing on the sidelines as coaches.
You have no idea what you're talking about. You seem to be having a hard time seeing through the smoke that Exress has been blowing your way
nope,easy to figure out the parents positioning little johnny were standing on the sidelines as coaches.
Exactly - and the Turtle offense had to run through little Johnny while daddy coached.
Interesting...I wasn't aware that Coach Powers had a kid on the team.
both of the turtle kids at 91. watched them at tryout and they were both skilled and smart. tough to replace that talent. great pickup for JM.
Why did the turtles leave?
Can't be playing time, those kids played a ton and they have a small roster which hurt them when it counted. Happens every year, parents looking to position little johnny so he is the man
Yes, but CHS attack already was the man. Maybe he was preventing others from looking good because he stole the spotlight? Tough to figure out? Turtles won't be the same without him
both of the turtle kids at 91. watched them at tryout and they were both skilled and smart. tough to replace that talent. great pickup for JM.
Why did the turtles leave?
Can't be playing time, those kids played a ton and they have a small roster which hurt them when it counted. Happens every year, parents looking to position little johnny so he is the man
Yes, but CHS attack already was the man. Maybe he was preventing others from looking good because he stole the spotlight? Tough to figure out? Turtles won't be the same without him
Hard to steal the spot light when you're constantly told to feed the ball to the "favorites" or get pulled.
The team is (was) filled with great players, no doubt; but on every team there are naturally going to be those who display higher skill levels. Good for those who left to seek better coaching and development as young men and players.
both of the turtle kids at 91. watched them at tryout and they were both skilled and smart. tough to replace that talent. great pickup for JM.
Why did the turtles leave?
Can't be playing time, those kids played a ton and they have a small roster which hurt them when it counted. Happens every year, parents looking to position little johnny so he is the man
Yes, but CHS attack already was the man. Maybe he was preventing others from looking good because he stole the spotlight? Tough to figure out? Turtles won't be the same without him
Hard to steal the spot light when you're constantly told to feed the ball to the "favorites" or get pulled.
The team is (was) filled with great players, no doubt; but on every team there are naturally going to be those who display higher skill levels. Good for those who left to seek better coaching and development as young men and players.
Good point. That makes sense. I've seen that happen on my son's team where every play revolves around the coaches kid. It gets old, and everyone knows it! Good luck to the boys who left, hopefully the repacements just keep their mouthes shut and do what they're told.
The 1st 2016 committed in November 2012.
Each year the date of the 1st commitment has accelerated. When do you expect to see the 1st 2017 commitment?
both of the turtle kids at 91. watched them at tryout and they were both skilled and smart. tough to replace that talent. great pickup for JM.
Why did the turtles leave?
Can't be playing time, those kids played a ton and they have a small roster which hurt them when it counted. Happens every year, parents looking to position little johnny so he is the man
Yes, but CHS attack already was the man. Maybe he was preventing others from looking good because he stole the spotlight? Tough to figure out? Turtles won't be the same without him
Hard to steal the spot light when you're constantly told to feed the ball to the "favorites" or get pulled.
The team is (was) filled with great players, no doubt; but on every team there are naturally going to be those who display higher skill levels. Good for those who left to seek better coaching and development as young men and players.
This just doesn't add up, but time will certainly tell. And how do they expect it to be any better on a team with 26 players? talk about playing time issues, that's 6A, 6D, 12M, and 2G. Maybe MC terps/ terps black/ blue/ orange wasn't such a bad model.
I beleive the turtles played Sachem in a fall ball games this past Sunday. I was on a near by field, didnt see the score but it didnt look like the Turtles blew them out. Not sure how it ended.
One thing I did notice, they played a varsity team and didnt look small. The kids do have good size at this point.
The 1st 2016 committed in November 2012.
Each year the date of the 1st commitment has accelerated. When do you expect to see the 1st 2017 commitment?
Who knows? could be earlier.
And it is good and bad. Bad because, well early recruiting....we all have opinions. Good because, maybe 90% of the people on this board will finally be silent when they realize their little Johnny isn't one of those chosen few and the club can't change that.
I beleive the turtles played Sachem in a fall ball games this past Sunday. I was on a near by field, didnt see the score but it didnt look like the Turtles blew them out. Not sure how it ended.
One thing I did notice, they played a varsity team and didnt look small. The kids do have good size at this point.
My kid played next on same field. Score was 7-4 turtles. Why would you think a freshman team should blow out a varsity team?
I beleive the turtles played Sachem in a fall ball games this past Sunday. I was on a near by field, didnt see the score but it didnt look like the Turtles blew them out. Not sure how it ended.
One thing I did notice, they played a varsity team and didnt look small. The kids do have good size at this point.
My kid played next on same field. Score was 7-4 turtles. Why would you think a freshman team should blow out a varsity team?
Turtles will now get a reality check as the enter the world of varsity.
Main reason is travel team vs town team, not freshmen vs Varsity.
20 "A" kids from 10 different towns vs 5 "A" kids from 1 town.
I beleive the turtles played Sachem in a fall ball games this past Sunday. I was on a near by field, didnt see the score but it didnt look like the Turtles blew them out. Not sure how it ended.
One thing I did notice, they played a varsity team and didnt look small. The kids do have good size at this point.
My kid played next on same field. Score was 7-4 turtles. Why would you think a freshman team should blow out a varsity team?
Turtles will now get a reality check as the enter the world of varsity.
so a team of freshman will get a reality check by playing varsity teams? yep, sounds like a turtle hater
both of the turtle kids at 91. watched them at tryout and they were both skilled and smart. tough to replace that talent. great pickup for JM.
Why did the turtles leave?
Can't be playing time, those kids played a ton and they have a small roster which hurt them when it counted. Happens every year, parents looking to position little johnny so he is the man
Yes, but CHS attack already was the man. Maybe he was preventing others from looking good because he stole the spotlight? Tough to figure out? Turtles won't be the same without him
Hard to steal the spot light when you're constantly told to feed the ball to the "favorites" or get pulled.
The team is (was) filled with great players, no doubt; but on every team there are naturally going to be those who display higher skill levels. Good for those who left to seek better coaching and development as young men and players.
This just doesn't add up, but time will certainly tell. And how do they expect it to be any better on a team with 26 players? talk about playing time issues, that's 6A, 6D, 12M, and 2G. Maybe MC terps/ terps black/ blue/ orange wasn't such a bad model.
Where r u getting these numbers from? The teams haven't been announced
I beleive the turtles played Sachem in a fall ball games this past Sunday. I was on a near by field, didnt see the score but it didnt look like the Turtles blew them out. Not sure how it ended.
One thing I did notice, they played a varsity team and didnt look small. The kids do have good size at this point.
My kid played next on same field. Score was 7-4 turtles. Why would you think a freshman team should blow out a varsity team?
Turtles will now get a reality check as the enter the world of varsity.
so a team of freshman will get a reality check by playing varsity teams? yep, sounds like a turtle hater
Not a hater, just saying if they are such an elite team, they should be able to beat a town varsity team with kids ranging from freshman to seniors......It wasn't me that created the hype!
Main reason is travel team vs town team, not freshmen vs Varsity.
20 "A" kids from 10 different towns vs 5 "A" kids from 1 town.
No need to defend...so its 17 A freshmen against 28 A and B Varsity.
I beleive the turtles played Sachem in a fall ball games this past Sunday. I was on a near by field, didnt see the score but it didnt look like the Turtles blew them out. Not sure how it ended.
One thing I did notice, they played a varsity team and didnt look small. The kids do have good size at this point.
My kid played next on same field. Score was 7-4 turtles. Why would you think a freshman team should blow out a varsity team?
Turtles will now get a reality check as the enter the world of varsity.
so a team of freshman will get a reality check by playing varsity teams? yep, sounds like a turtle hater
Do realize that alot of these fall "Varsity" teams are playing fresgmen's also. My sons team had more freshmen then "varsity" kids.
I beleive the turtles played Sachem in a fall ball games this past Sunday. I was on a near by field, didnt see the score but it didnt look like the Turtles blew them out. Not sure how it ended.
One thing I did notice, they played a varsity team and didnt look small. The kids do have good size at this point.
My kid played next on same field. Score was 7-4 turtles. Why would you think a freshman team should blow out a varsity team?
Turtles will now get a reality check as the enter the world of varsity.
so a team of freshman will get a reality check by playing varsity teams? yep, sounds like a turtle hater
Sounds like the Terp daddy's should go back to the express thread
Are you that delusional to believe that Sachem football coaches would let any of their lax players actually play in a meaningless game ? No knock to the Turtles, but I am sure they did not face a varsity team by any stertch of the imagination.
The 1st 2016 committed in November 2012.
Each year the date of the 1st commitment has accelerated. When do you expect to see the 1st 2017 commitment?
It's already happened. A 2016 who will PG and graduate 2017. Penn State.
Are you that delusional to believe that Sachem football coaches would let any of their lax players actually play in a meaningless game ? No knock to the Turtles, but I am sure they did not face a varsity team by any stertch of the imagination.
That's why ANY fall ball is designed to keep the rust off...that's it. Good exposure for freshmen on any team to get some exposure a level of varsity.
I remember a Turtle daddy stating not too long ago that Turtles would "shake up" Li varsity teams. all I have to say is slow down. They couldn't even win a game to a mixed age varsity team together!
I remember a Turtle daddy stating not too long ago that Turtles would "shake up" Li varsity teams. all I have to say is slow down. They couldn't even win a game to a mixed age varsity team together!
I saw the Turtles play last fall against a very average JV team from Westchester/Ct and lose. They have a nice well oiled machine and benefit from being together etc. However, they are not superstars by any stretch of the imagination. They have a very good faceoff guy and control the ball alot as a result and run the same play over and over. Good teams figure it out and they can be beat. It was fun for them while it lasted. We are clearly seeing an exodus of players so obviously they see the handwriting on the wall.
I remember a Turtle daddy stating not too long ago that Turtles would "shake up" Li varsity teams. all I have to say is slow down. They couldn't even win a game to a mixed age varsity team together!
That turtle daddy might be on another team now. Take a look and see.
I remember a Turtle daddy stating not too long ago that Turtles would "shake up" Li varsity teams. all I have to say is slow down. They couldn't even win a game to a mixed age varsity team together!
I saw the Turtles play last fall against a very average JV team from Westchester/Ct and lose. They have a nice well oiled machine and benefit from being together etc. However, they are not superstars by any stretch of the imagination. They have a very good faceoff guy and control the ball alot as a result and run the same play over and over. Good teams figure it out and they can be beat. It was fun for them while it lasted. We are clearly seeing an exodus of players so obviously they see the handwriting on the wall.
Dude...obsessed much? Worry about your own kids team. Inform your coach of this inside information on how to be this team.
Team 91 tryout numbers for the 2017 team are up 26 kids. Talk about playing time issues
Looks like fl$ has some playing issues going on! 28 kids on the roster. Good thing they made some changes to try and upgrade the team? They also made a coaching change which should help as well. But unfortunately with 28 kids they will have trouble competing with 91, Outlaws and Express teams. 91, Outlaws and Express seem to have most of the top 2017 players at their tryouts. They will be the teams to beat at the age group.
I remember a Turtle daddy stating not too long ago that Turtles would "shake up" Li varsity teams. all I have to say is slow down. They couldn't even win a game to a mixed age varsity team together!
I saw the Turtles play last fall against a very average JV team from Westchester/Ct and lose. They have a nice well oiled machine and benefit from being together etc. However, they are not superstars by any stretch of the imagination. They have a very good faceoff guy and control the ball alot as a result and run the same play over and over. Good teams figure it out and they can be beat. It was fun for them while it lasted. We are clearly seeing an exodus of players so obviously they see the handwriting on the wall.
Dude...obsessed much? Worry about your own kids team. Inform your coach of this inside information on how to be this team.
Nope, here he is...
Team 91 tryout numbers for the 2017 team are up 26 kids. Talk about playing time issues
Looks like fl$ has some playing issues going on! 28 kids on the roster. Good thing they made some changes to try and upgrade the team? They also made a coaching change which should help as well. But unfortunately with 28 kids they will have trouble competing with 91, Outlaws and Express teams. 91, Outlaws and Express seem to have most of the top 2017 players at their tryouts. They will be the teams to beat at the age group.
You are one odd person trolling the websites of other clubs and counting the number of boys. What's your axe to grind? Did you troll the other teams and find out how many on their team or did you just find that they don't post their rosters? I am an Outlaw parent and there are 26 on the team. I'll give you a few guesses as to why 2017 teams carry more players.
Top 5 2017 Teams from Try Outs- Still has to All pan Out
MUCH Closer than you all think. All have Great players
1) Turtles- Until some one beats them consistently
2) 91 Upgraded
3) Express Terps- They always are good
4) Outlaws- going to Surprise- But still not with other 3
5) Every one else Team LI, True Blue, fl$
Do Not Rip- Give your Thoughts
Top 5 2017 Teams from Try Outs- Still has to All pan Out
MUCH Closer than you all think. All have Great players
1) Turtles- Until some one beats them consistently
2) 91 Upgraded
3) Express Terps- They always are good
4) Outlaws- going to Surprise- But still not with other 3
5) Every one else Team LI, True Blue, fl$
Do Not Rip- Give your Thoughts
Who cares?? It's time for high school. Kids are growing up, so should the rest of us.
Team 91 tryout numbers for the 2017 team are up 26 kids. Talk about playing time issues
Looks like fl$ has some playing issues going on! 28 kids on the roster. Good thing they made some changes to try and upgrade the team? They also made a coaching change which should help as well. But unfortunately with 28 kids they will have trouble competing with 91, Outlaws and Express teams. 91, Outlaws and Express seem to have most of the top 2017 players at their tryouts. They will be the teams to beat at the age group.
You are one odd person trolling the websites of other clubs and counting the number of boys. What's your axe to grind? Did you troll the other teams and find out how many on their team or did you just find that they don't post their rosters? I am an Outlaw parent and there are 26 on the team. I'll give you a few guesses as to why 2017 teams carry more players.
I read the top post a few times and I don’t see anything odd with it or any axe to grind?? Just stating the facts. Isn’t that what this forum is for? To provide information regarding travel Lax….. The 2nd post does seem to be odd and there seems to be an axe to grind. 2nd poster why so angry? The 1st post doesn’t say that they trolled the website as you put it. How do you know how this person got this information? Do you not thing that parents talk between organizations. Does anybody thing close to 30 kids on a team is not excessive $$$$$. Are you willing to have your son on a team where he may play a quarter at best when collages are watching? The next 2 years are very important but more important is that the kids have fun and enjoy the experience. Little to no playing time is a sure way to take the joy out of this experience.
Top 5 2017 Teams from Try Outs- Still has to All pan Out
MUCH Closer than you all think. All have Great players
1) Turtles- Until some one beats them consistently
2) 91 Upgraded
3) Express Terps- They always are good
4) Outlaws- going to Surprise- But still not with other 3
5) Every one else Team LI, True Blue, fl$
Do Not Rip- Give your Thoughts
Who cares?? It's time for high school. Kids are growing up, so should the rest of us.
Oh brother....this must be the fireballing outlaw dad from previous post. Enjoy the little dream you must have had last night.
Top 5 2017 Teams from Try Outs- Still has to All pan Out
MUCH Closer than you all think. All have Great players
1) Turtles- Until some one beats them consistently
2) 91 Upgraded
3) Express Terps- They always are good
4) Outlaws- going to Surprise- But still not with other 3
5) Every one else Team LI, True Blue, fl$
Do Not Rip- Give your Thoughts
We will never know...
The problem with 9th grade teams is many of the players also play for their JV or Varsity teams. That's why the clubs are carrying 25+ players. They know that several players will miss certain tournaments due to conflicts. Unfortunately, the better the player, the more pressure they get to play with the school team, especially Varsity.
Anytime these teams face each other during the tournament season, they will probably be missing some key players. Therefore on any given Sunday, one team can beat another. And, unfortunately, on Monday morning we will have to read that the "better" team lost because their best players had to play with the school team.
It would be nice to see these teams square off with complete rosters but I don't see it happening.
Team 91 tryout numbers for the 2017 team are up 26 kids. Talk about playing time issues
Looks like fl$ has some playing issues going on! 28 kids on the roster. Good thing they made some changes to try and upgrade the team? They also made a coaching change which should help as well. But unfortunately with 28 kids they will have trouble competing with 91, Outlaws and Express teams. 91, Outlaws and Express seem to have most of the top 2017 players at their tryouts. They will be the teams to beat at the age group.
You are one odd person trolling the websites of other clubs and counting the number of boys. What's your axe to grind? Did you troll the other teams and find out how many on their team or did you just find that they don't post their rosters? I am an Outlaw parent and there are 26 on the team. I'll give you a few guesses as to why 2017 teams carry more players.
I read the top post a few times and I don’t see anything odd with it or any axe to grind?? Just stating the facts. Isn’t that what this forum is for? To provide information regarding travel Lax….. The 2nd post does seem to be odd and there seems to be an axe to grind. 2nd poster why so angry? The 1st post doesn’t say that they trolled the website as you put it. How do you know how this person got this information? Do you not thing that parents talk between organizations. Does anybody thing close to 30 kids on a team is not excessive $$$$$. Are you willing to have your son on a team where he may play a quarter at best when collages are watching? The next 2 years are very important but more important is that the kids have fun and enjoy the experience. Little to no playing time is a sure way to take the joy out of this experience.
Totally agree!
Team 91 tryout numbers for the 2017 team are up 26 kids. Talk about playing time issues
Looks like fl$ has some playing issues going on! 28 kids on the roster. Good thing they made some changes to try and upgrade the team? They also made a coaching change which should help as well. But unfortunately with 28 kids they will have trouble competing with 91, Outlaws and Express teams. 91, Outlaws and Express seem to have most of the top 2017 players at their tryouts. They will be the teams to beat at the age group.
What up with this outlaw guy.....you can write and hope all you want......not a top team....but keep dreaming if it keeps you warm at night
[quote=Anonymous]Team 91 tryout numbers for the 2017 team are up 26 kids. Talk about playing time issues
What up with this outlaw guy.....you can write and hope all you want......not a top team....but keep dreaming if it keeps you warm at night
Outlaw guy must not be familiar with the coaches of the 2017 team. Nowhere to be seen at tournaments until 5 minutes before game time....oh wait, if you go to the vendor village you will see them at their tent selling stuff.
[quote=Anonymous]Team 91 tryout numbers for the 2017 team are up 26 kids. Talk about playing time issues
What up with this outlaw guy.....you can write and hope all you want......not a top team....but keep dreaming if it keeps you warm at night
Outlaw guy must not be familiar with the coaches of the 2017 team. Nowhere to be seen at tournaments until 5 minutes before game time....oh wait, if you go to the vendor village you will see them at their tent selling stuff.
I have been very happy with the coaching for 2017 Outlaws in previous years. Have never seen a coach show up 5 minutes before game...
Sounds like sour grapes from a parent of a kid that didn't make the team...
People can guess who the top teams are going to be.. but there has been no games to base that on, so don't bash their predictions and bash individuals while hiding behind an anonymous computer screen.
both of the turtle kids at 91. watched them at tryout and they were both skilled and smart. tough to replace that talent. great pickup for JM.
Why did the turtles leave?
Can't be playing time, those kids played a ton and they have a small roster which hurt them when it counted. Happens every year, parents looking to position little johnny so he is the man
Yes, but CHS attack already was the man. Maybe he was preventing others from looking good because he stole the spotlight? Tough to figure out? Turtles won't be the same without him
Hard to steal the spot light when you're constantly told to feed the ball to the "favorites" or get pulled.
The team is (was) filled with great players, no doubt; but on every team there are naturally going to be those who display higher skill levels. Good for those who left to seek better coaching and development as young men and players.
This just doesn't add up, but time will certainly tell. And how do they expect it to be any better on a team with 26 players? talk about playing time issues, that's 6A, 6D, 12M, and 2G. Maybe MC terps/ terps black/ blue/ orange wasn't such a bad model.
Hey, big mouth, you might want to retract this. Your numbers were wrong.
People can guess who the top teams are going to be.. but there has been no games to base that on, so don't bash their predictions and bash individuals while hiding behind an anonymous computer screen.
And here you are talking nonsense from an anonymous screen.....brilliant....just like your nightime dreams about the outlaws.......whatever keeps you happy at night
[quote=Anonymous]Team 91 tryout numbers for the 2017 team are up 26 kids. Talk about playing time issues
What up with this outlaw guy.....you can write and hope all you want......not a top team....but keep dreaming if it keeps you warm at night
Outlaw guy must not be familiar with the coaches of the 2017 team. Nowhere to be seen at tournaments until 5 minutes before game time....oh wait, if you go to the vendor village you will see them at their tent selling stuff.
I have been very happy with the coaching for 2017 Outlaws in previous years. Have never seen a coach show up 5 minutes before game...
Sounds like sour grapes from a parent of a kid that didn't make the team...
Nope - made the team. Were you are UMASS? NXT?
UMASS, NXT....low level tournaments.....We would not be there
UMASS, NXT....low level tournaments.....We would not be there
NXT is a very well run and competitive tournament!
UMASS, NXT....low level tournaments.....We would not be there
NXT isn't a low level tournament..
Top 5 2017 Teams from Try Outs- Still has to All pan Out
MUCH Closer than you all think. All have Great players
1) Turtles- Until some one beats them consistently
2) 91 Upgraded
3) Express Terps- They always are good
4) Outlaws- going to Surprise- But still not with other 3
5) Every one else Team LI, True Blue, fl$
Do Not Rip- Give your Thoughts
Who cares?? It's time for high school. Kids are growing up, so should the rest of us.
Best post ever on 2017. Get a grip people, the college coaches will start watching this summer. They could care less what the scores of the games are....
For the record...91 has 24 players posted
UMASS, NXT....low level tournaments.....We would not be there
What's the matter were you not invited? NXT sponsors many premier recruting showcases and Tourneys. Top notch organization.
I guess you're just too cool for that......pathetic
Could not agree more. Scores are meaningless. You guys don't get it. "Oh we are not going to recruit that stud because his team lost too many games". Just listen to this nonsense. Really now. Let the kids have fun and enjoy playing. High school lacrosse is stressful and intense enough especially if that program is a powerhouse. Club ball doesnt need be win at all cost. The crazy dads care much more about wins and loses than the Kids. When it comes to club ball it doesn't matter for recruiting how many games you win. But you guys just go on and on about meaningless club records.
1- True Blue- extremely tough last year, great core plus upgraded from try outs
2- 91- Mule is always upgrading
3-outlaws - combined with gladiators will help their lack luster offense
4-turtles - lost their best players plus competition simply improved
5-fl$- lots of talent at the tryout
6- terps - may surprise either way
1- True Blue- extremely tough last year, great core plus upgraded from try outs
2- 91- Mule is always upgrading
3-outlaws - combined with gladiators will help their lack luster offense
4-turtles - lost their best players plus competition simply improved
5-fl$- lots of talent at the tryout
6- terps - may surprise either way
91 one guy here....gotta give props to the talent and strength of true blue. If they've improved, then it should be a nice competition with 91. Both teams have many good players.
Turtles are wounded but will recover; but will be more appropriately playing correct age level ball.
fl$?
Terps...50/50 either way...comes down to the kids who will have big hearts and ability despite inept coaching
1- True Blue- extremely tough last year, great core plus upgraded from try outs
2- 91- Mule is always upgrading
3-outlaws - combined with gladiators will help their lack luster offense
4-turtles - lost their best players plus competition simply improved
5-fl$- lots of talent at the tryout
6- terps - may surprise either way
Some of the top kids at the fl$ tryouts went to 91. fl$ has only a few top players from there last year team.
1- True Blue- extremely tough last year, great core plus upgraded from try outs
2- 91- Mule is always upgrading
3-outlaws - combined with gladiators will help their lack luster offense
4-turtles - lost their best players plus competition simply improved
5-fl$- lots of talent at the tryout
6- terps - may surprise either way
91 one guy here....gotta give props to the talent and strength of true blue. If they've improved, then it should be a nice competition with 91. Both teams have many good players.
Turtles are wounded but will recover; but will be more appropriately playing correct age level ball.
fl$?
Terps...50/50 either way...comes down to the kids who will have big hearts and ability despite inept coaching
91 guy, didn't Terps beat 91 last year? They also beat True Blue when it counted. TB is a very tought team! MC is one of the best coaches out there? Not a very well thought out post.
1- True Blue- extremely tough last year, great core plus upgraded from try outs
2- 91- Mule is always upgrading
3-outlaws - combined with gladiators will help their lack luster offense
4-turtles - lost their best players plus competition simply improved
5-fl$- lots of talent at the tryout
6- terps - may surprise either way
91 one guy here....gotta give props to the talent and strength of true blue. If they've improved, then it should be a nice competition with 91. Both teams have many good players.
Turtles are wounded but will recover; but will be more appropriately playing correct age level ball.
fl$?
Terps...50/50 either way...comes down to the kids who will have big hearts and ability despite inept coaching
91 guy, You sound like a guy who was cut by the Terps??
1- True Blue- extremely tough last year, great core plus upgraded from try outs
2- 91- Mule is always upgrading
3-outlaws - combined with gladiators will help their lack luster offense
4-turtles - lost their best players plus competition simply improved
5-fl$- lots of talent at the tryout
6- terps - may surprise either way
I would have to put Turtles at 6, fl$ had a strong tryout and terps will be better. turtles lost their best kid, he was either scoring or had the assist on every goal. pretty sure he took most face off's, and played goalie.
Could not agree more. Scores are meaningless. You guys don't get it. "Oh we are not going to recruit that stud because his team lost too many games". Just listen to this nonsense. Really now. Let the kids have fun and enjoy playing. High school lacrosse is stressful and intense enough especially if that program is a powerhouse. Club ball doesnt need be win at all cost. The crazy dads care much more about wins and loses than the Kids. When it comes to club ball it doesn't matter for recruiting how many games you win. But you guys just go on and on about meaningless club records.
In general I agree. But would suggest that a team (or perhaps a club) with a winning history is going to be invited to some of the better tournaments. Team Podunk with a losing record is never going to make it to the Crabfeast, but Team Podunk that has won several (respectable) tournaments over the course of a year or two may just get that invitation. So I would submit that winning games is important. I would be interested to hear what other people think on this.
This is all fun to talk about but none of this matters anymore except to the pathetic dads living vicariously through their children! Its all about high school ball now from this moment forward. You cant win a state championship playing for True Blue or 91. College coaches dont care about who wins the LI Lax fest.Club lax is great if you have a good coach and your director has college contacts, but for most kids high school lax is where they will shine and get recruited to the school they want. High school lax is where they will make friendships and bonds that will last the rest of their lives. So sit back, relax and enjoy the ride and stop worrying about which 14 yr old lacrosse team is better.
1- True Blue- extremely tough last year, great core plus upgraded from try outs
2- 91- Mule is always upgrading
3-outlaws - combined with gladiators will help their lack luster offense
4-turtles - lost their best players plus competition simply improved
5-fl$- lots of talent at the tryout
6- terps - may surprise either way
91 one guy here....gotta give props to the talent and strength of true blue. If they've improved, then it should be a nice competition with 91. Both teams have many good players.
Turtles are wounded but will recover; but will be more appropriately playing correct age level ball.
fl$?
Terps...50/50 either way...comes down to the kids who will have big hearts and ability despite inept coaching
91 guy, didn't Terps beat 91 last year? They also beat True Blue when it counted. TB is a very tought team! MC is one of the best coaches out there? Not a very well thought out post.
No, the Terps didn't beat 91 last year
College coaches may not care who wins LI Laxfest, but you can be sure they do not care who wins the state championship either. The top colleges have the 2016 class nearly classes nearly full and are working actively on 2017s. All this is before most boys have even stepped on the field for a JV game. Club lax, individual showcases and who you are connected to (before HS) are all way more important than HS lacrosse when it comes to recruiting.
Regarding the friendships point, you are 100% accurate.
This is all fun to talk about but none of this matters anymore except to the pathetic dads living vicariously through their children! Its all about high school ball now from this moment forward. You cant win a state championship playing for True Blue or 91. College coaches dont care about who wins the LI Lax fest.Club lax is great if you have a good coach and your director has college contacts, but for most kids high school lax is where they will shine and get recruited to the school they want. High school lax is where they will make friendships and bonds that will last the rest of their lives. So sit back, relax and enjoy the ride and stop worrying about which 14 yr old lacrosse team is better.
1- True Blue- extremely tough last year, great core plus upgraded from try outs
2- 91- Mule is always upgrading
3-outlaws - combined with gladiators will help their lack luster offense
4-turtles - lost their best players plus competition simply improved
5-fl$- lots of talent at the tryout
6- terps - may surprise either way
91 one guy here....gotta give props to the talent and strength of true blue. If they've improved, then it should be a nice competition with 91. Both teams have many good players.
Turtles are wounded but will recover; but will be more appropriately playing correct age level ball.
fl$?
Terps...50/50 either way...comes down to the kids who will have big hearts and ability despite inept coaching
91 guy, didn't Terps beat 91 last year? They also beat True Blue when it counted. TB is a very tought team! MC is one of the best coaches out there? Not a very well thought out post.
Terps black did not play 91 at all. I gave true blu props. They split two games. TB lacked depth and kids got tired. Else they would have won two games over terps .
MC is a good coach. Not a motivator, tho. Intimidator? Yes. Motivator? No.
College coaches may not care who wins LI Laxfest, but you can be sure they do not care who wins the state championship either. The top colleges have the 2016 class nearly classes nearly full and are working actively on 2017s. All this is before most boys have even stepped on the field for a JV game. Club lax, individual showcases and who you are connected to (before HS) are all way more important than HS lacrosse when it comes to recruiting.
Regarding the friendships point, you are 100% accurate
Good retort my friend, however I would say to you regarding the 2016 and 2017 commits, are we 100 percent sure that this is a good practice and is whats best for the kids? Take a look at the strong Long Island programs, West Islip, Ward Melville, Garden City, Manhasset, etc. As a general rule those programs have kids committing going into their junior years. I know my Head Varsity coach will not recommend a kid unless hes played and started at least one year at the Varsity level. I for one know my son is in no way ready to commit to a college in his freshman year of high school. THis early recruiting thing has really gotten out of control and it has made parent lose perspective in regards to their children and their capabilities. I would also submit to you that the majority of 2016 commits are kids that were either held back or started school late, so lets keep that in mind too. Youll know when your son is ready, dont be in such a rush.
This is all fun to talk about but none of this matters anymore except to the pathetic dads living vicariously through their children! Its all about high school ball now from this moment forward. You cant win a state championship playing for True Blue or 91. College coaches dont care about who wins the LI Lax fest.Club lax is great if you have a good coach and your director has college contacts, but for most kids high school lax is where they will shine and get recruited to the school they want. High school lax is where they will make friendships and bonds that will last the rest of their lives. So sit back, relax and enjoy the ride and stop worrying about which 14 yr old lacrosse team is better.
College coaches may not care who wins LI Laxfest, but you can be sure they do not care who wins the state championship either. The top colleges have the 2016 class nearly classes nearly full and are working actively on 2017s. All this is before most boys have even stepped on the field for a JV game. Club lax, individual showcases and who you are connected to (before HS) are all way more important than HS lacrosse when it comes to recruiting.
Regarding the friendships point, you are 100% accurate.
This is all fun to talk about but none of this matters anymore except to the pathetic dads living vicariously through their children! Its all about high school ball now from this moment forward. You cant win a state championship playing for True Blue or 91. College coaches dont care about who wins the LI Lax fest.Club lax is great if you have a good coach and your director has college contacts, but for most kids high school lax is where they will shine and get recruited to the school they want. High school lax is where they will make friendships and bonds that will last the rest of their lives. So sit back, relax and enjoy the ride and stop worrying about which 14 yr old lacrosse team is better.
What about the friendships made on a travel team? It's great for these kids to have different friends from different towns. Its all good.
College coaches may not care who wins LI Laxfest, but you can be sure they do not care who wins the state championship either. The top colleges have the 2016 class nearly classes nearly full and are working actively on 2017s. All this is before most boys have even stepped on the field for a JV game. Club lax, individual showcases and who you are connected to (before HS) are all way more important than HS lacrosse when it comes to recruiting.
Regarding the friendships point, you are 100% accurate.
Every been to a Suffolk County or Nassau County championship lacrosse game? Every D1 coach imaginable in attendance. High school lax on Long Island is the best in the country and D1 coaches know it. Club lax and showcases are great but D1 coaches wanna see how a player performs against big competition in a big game.
College coaches may not care who wins LI Laxfest, but you can be sure they do not care who wins the state championship either. The top colleges have the 2016 class nearly classes nearly full and are working actively on 2017s. All this is before most boys have even stepped on the field for a JV game. Club lax, individual showcases and who you are connected to (before HS) are all way more important than HS lacrosse when it comes to recruiting.
Regarding the friendships point, you are 100% accurate.
This is all fun to talk about but none of this matters anymore except to the pathetic dads living vicariously through their children! Its all about high school ball now from this moment forward. You cant win a state championship playing for True Blue or 91. College coaches dont care about who wins the LI Lax fest.Club lax is great if you have a good coach and your director has college contacts, but for most kids high school lax is where they will shine and get recruited to the school they want. High school lax is where they will make friendships and bonds that will last the rest of their lives. So sit back, relax and enjoy the ride and stop worrying about which 14 yr old lacrosse team is better.
What about the friendships made on a travel team? It's great for these kids to have different friends from different towns. Its all good.
My son has played travel lax for the last 6 years and has made several very good friends from other towns and I think that is a great thing, however I dont think it can compare to playing and hanging out with the same kids all through high school and beyond. The "Band of Brothers" mentality is alive and well and is a beautiful thing to watch when you see it happen.
1- True Blue- extremely tough last year, great core plus upgraded from try outs
2- 91- Mule is always upgrading
3-outlaws - combined with gladiators will help their lack luster offense
4-turtles - lost their best players plus competition simply improved
5-fl$- lots of talent at the tryout
6- terps - may surprise either way
91 one guy here....gotta give props to the talent and strength of true blue. If they've improved, then it should be a nice competition with 91. Both teams have many good players.
Turtles are wounded but will recover; but will be more appropriately playing correct age level ball.
fl$?
Terps...50/50 either way...comes down to the kids who will have big hearts and ability despite inept coaching
91 guy, didn't Terps beat 91 last year? They also beat True Blue when it counted. TB is a very tought team! MC is one of the best coaches out there? Not a very well thought out post.
No, the Terps didn't beat 91 last year
You are correct. 91 never made it far enought to play them. TB knocked them out before they could meet.
1- True Blue- extremely tough last year, great core plus upgraded from try outs
2- 91- Mule is always upgrading
3-outlaws - combined with gladiators will help their lack luster offense
4-turtles - lost their best players plus competition simply improved
5-fl$- lots of talent at the tryout
6- terps - may surprise either way
91 one guy here....gotta give props to the talent and strength of true blue. If they've improved, then it should be a nice competition with 91. Both teams have many good players.
Turtles are wounded but will recover; but will be more appropriately playing correct age level ball.
fl$?
Terps...50/50 either way...comes down to the kids who will have big hearts and ability despite inept coaching
91 guy, didn't Terps beat 91 last year? They also beat True Blue when it counted. TB is a very tought team! MC is one of the best coaches out there? Not a very well thought out post.
Terps black did not play 91 at all. I gave true blu props. They split two games. TB lacked depth and kids got tired. Else they would have won two games over terps .
MC is a good coach. Not a motivator, tho. Intimidator? Yes. Motivator? No.
I disagree. He has been very good for my son. You shouldn't make blanket statements about people just because it didn't work for you!! Different strokes for different folks.
College coaches may not care who wins LI Laxfest, but you can be sure they do not care who wins the state championship either. The top colleges have the 2016 class nearly classes nearly full and are working actively on 2017s. All this is before most boys have even stepped on the field for a JV game. Club lax, individual showcases and who you are connected to (before HS) are all way more important than HS lacrosse when it comes to recruiting.
Regarding the friendships point, you are 100% accurate.
Every been to a Suffolk County or Nassau County championship lacrosse game? Every D1 coach imaginable in attendance. High school lax on Long Island is the best in the country and D1 coaches know it. Club lax and showcases are great but D1 coaches wanna see how a player performs against big competition in a big game.
All of this is what make Long Island the best place to find lax players. No one point is stronger then the other a combined
effort from travel and HS experiences. Can't we all just get along.
1- True Blue- extremely tough last year, great core plus upgraded from try outs
2- 91- Mule is always upgrading
3-outlaws - combined with gladiators will help their lack luster offense
4-turtles - lost their best players plus competition simply improved
5-fl$- lots of talent at the tryout
6- terps - may surprise either way
91 one guy here....gotta give props to the talent and strength of true blue. If they've improved, then it should be a nice competition with 91. Both teams have many good players.
Turtles are wounded but will recover; but will be more appropriately playing correct age level ball.
fl$?
Terps...50/50 either way...comes down to the kids who will have big hearts and ability despite inept coaching
91 guy, didn't Terps beat 91 last year? They also beat True Blue when it counted. TB is a very tought team! MC is one of the best coaches out there? Not a very well thought out post.
Terps black did not play 91 at all. I gave true blu props. They split two games. TB lacked depth and kids got tired. Else they would have won two games over terps .
MC is a good coach. Not a motivator, tho. Intimidator? Yes. Motivator? No.
I disagree. He has been very good for my son. You shouldn't make blanket statements about people just because it didn't work for you!! Different strokes for different folks.
strokes is the right word...he def strokes people out of their $$ and gives little in return.
1- True Blue- extremely tough last year, great core plus upgraded from try outs
2- 91- Mule is always upgrading
3-outlaws - combined with gladiators will help their lack luster offense
4-turtles - lost their best players plus competition simply improved
5-fl$- lots of talent at the tryout
6- terps - may surprise either way
91 one guy here....gotta give props to the talent and strength of true blue. If they've improved, then it should be a nice competition with 91. Both teams have many good players.
Turtles are wounded but will recover; but will be more appropriately playing correct age level ball.
fl$?
Terps...50/50 either way...comes down to the kids who will have big hearts and ability despite inept coaching
91 guy, didn't Terps beat 91 last year? They also beat True Blue when it counted. TB is a very tought team! MC is one of the best coaches out there? Not a very well thought out post.
Terps black did not play 91 at all. I gave true blu props. They split two games. TB lacked depth and kids got tired. Else they would have won two games over terps .
MC is a good coach. Not a motivator, tho. Intimidator? Yes. Motivator? No.
I disagree. He has been very good for my son. You shouldn't make blanket statements about people just because it didn't work for you!! Different strokes for different folks.
strokes is the right word...he def strokes people out of their $$ and gives little in return.
Sounds like someone didn't make the team? Life is very short to be so bitter. good luck!!
1- True Blue- extremely tough last year, great core plus upgraded from try outs
2- 91- Mule is always upgrading
3-outlaws - combined with gladiators will help their lack luster offense
4-turtles - lost their best players plus competition simply improved
5-fl$- lots of talent at the tryout
6- terps - may surprise either way
91 one guy here....gotta give props to the talent and strength of true blue. If they've improved, then it should be a nice competition with 91. Both teams have many good players.
Turtles are wounded but will recover; but will be more appropriately playing correct age level ball.
fl$?
Terps...50/50 either way...comes down to the kids who will have big hearts and ability despite inept coaching
91 guy, didn't Terps beat 91 last year? They also beat True Blue when it counted. TB is a very tought team! MC is one of the best coaches out there? Not a very well thought out post.
No, the Terps didn't beat 91 last year
You are correct. 91 never made it far enought to play them. TB knocked them out before they could meet.
Typical Terps daddy comment...91 did get beat by TB. They never played the Terps , yet you anointed the Terps the next best thing to...oh yeah, the Turtles, although they never played any of the other "top LI" teams after March. You are first to point Down at others yet have a hard time when it goes the other way. You seem to be a very angry Express parent, perhaps you should find a new team for your son?
1- True Blue- extremely tough last year, great core plus upgraded from try outs
2- 91- Mule is always upgrading
3-outlaws - combined with gladiators will help their lack luster offense
4-turtles - lost their best players plus competition simply improved
5-fl$- lots of talent at the tryout
6- terps - may surprise either way
91 one guy here....gotta give props to the talent and strength of true blue. If they've improved, then it should be a nice competition with 91. Both teams have many good players.
Turtles are wounded but will recover; but will be more appropriately playing correct age level ball.
fl$?
Terps...50/50 either way...comes down to the kids who will have big hearts and ability despite inept coaching
91 guy, didn't Terps beat 91 last year? They also beat True Blue when it counted. TB is a very tought team! MC is one of the best coaches out there? Not a very well thought out post.
No, the Terps didn't beat 91 last year
You are correct. 91 never made it far enought to play them. TB knocked them out before they could meet.
Typical Terps daddy comment...91 did get beat by TB. They never played the Terps , yet you anointed the Terps the next best thing to...oh yeah, the Turtles, although they never played any of the other "top LI" teams after March. You are first to point Down at others yet have a hard time when it goes the other way. You seem to be a very angry Express parent, perhaps you should find a new team for your son?
91 dad from your post's you are the angry one. You had a bad experince with Express and can't let it go. Life is to short. let it go. There are plenty of people who like the Express and feel it is best for the child.
I agree... 27-28 man Roster??
What parent wants to go thru the time and expense of traveling to 12 hours there n back to hunts valley, Maryland for a summer weekend in 100 degree heat to watch their son play 2-3 minutes per Quarter?
This is an alarming trend, and MUST be disclosed by the thoughtless (and greedy) lax clubs to the parents AND players PRIOR to tryouts, and certainly, Prior to asking for a players commitment!!
colleges recruiting from High School teams???
You are miss informed! College Coaches now (not 20years ago) can cover more recruiting ground in a single quality lax tournament in one weekend, than a entire season high school games...
i'll save u the standard rebuttal... ok, you may see college scouts at an Anthony's/Chaminade or Manhassett/GC game when college lax season has ended
I agree... 27-28 man Roster??
What parent wants to go thru the time and expense of traveling to 12 hours there n back to hunts valley, Maryland for a summer weekend in 100 degree heat to watch their son play 2-3 minutes per Quarter?
This is an alarming trend, and MUST be disclosed by the thoughtless (and greedy) lax clubs to the parents AND players PRIOR to tryouts, and certainly, Prior to asking for a players commitment!!
not just the lax clubs... there are Town/HS summer teams have 28 , 29 players on the roster.
I agree... 27-28 man Roster??
What parent wants to go thru the time and expense of traveling to 12 hours there n back to hunts valley, Maryland for a summer weekend in 100 degree heat to watch their son play 2-3 minutes per Quarter?
This is an alarming trend, and MUST be disclosed by the thoughtless (and greedy) lax clubs to the parents AND players PRIOR to tryouts, and certainly, Prior to asking for a players commitment!!
I know the Outlaws have around 28 but will be doing 8+ tourneys in summer and only around 22 will go to each tournament.
I agree... 27-28 man Roster??
What parent wants to go thru the time and expense of traveling to 12 hours there n back to hunts valley, Maryland for a summer weekend in 100 degree heat to watch their son play 2-3 minutes per Quarter?
This is an alarming trend, and MUST be disclosed by the thoughtless (and greedy) lax clubs to the parents AND players PRIOR to tryouts, and certainly, Prior to asking for a players commitment!!
6 kids stay home? Lol. That should work well!!
I know the Outlaws have around 28 but will be doing 8+ tourneys in summer and only around 22 will go to each tournament.
Outlaws have 28 but will bring 22......Hmmmm..sounds like another organization that caught all sorts of flack for doing the same thing........(hint: Terps Black)
How did that work?
Outlaws have 28 but will bring 22......Hmmmm..sounds like another organization that caught all sorts of flack for doing the same thing........(hint: Terps Black)
How did that work?
Hopefully it will be run a little differently. Equal opportunity amd exposure... If run correctly it is the right thing.
Kids will have commitments in high school and recruiting camps etc.
Outlaws have 28 but will bring 22......Hmmmm..sounds like another organization that caught all sorts of flack for doing the same thing........(hint: Terps Black)
How did that work?
Answer: it did not work. At all. Period. End of THAT discussion.
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91 dad from your post's you are the angry one. You had a bad experince with Express and can't let it go. Life is to short. let it go. There are plenty of people who like the Express and feel it is best for the child.
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Why is it that all express parents think everyone is angry? Sometimes things just aren't a good fit for numerous reasons. But you all seem bent on saying everyone else is angry. Perhaps your impressions are sublimated or rather suppressed hostilities over the fact that you pay so much for so little. Didja really feel your kid got the best he deserved and that you really got your money's worth? Really? C'mon...be honest with yourselves. There were whole sidelines of perturbed parents at each and every event. That is undeniable.
If you're happy just having your kid involved in a sport and not really concerned over the long term bigger picture; that's fine. But Long Island is chocka block full of great talent and it needs to be nurtured properly. Coached properly.
We will have to agree to disagree. I maintain that express has become nothing more than a glorified money grab and nothing more.
College coaches may not care who wins LI Laxfest, but you can be sure they do not care who wins the state championship either. The top colleges have the 2016 class nearly classes nearly full and are working actively on 2017s. All this is before most boys have even stepped on the field for a JV game. Club lax, individual showcases and who you are connected to (before HS) are all way more important than HS lacrosse when it comes to recruiting.
Regarding the friendships point, you are 100% accurate.
This is all fun to talk about but none of this matters anymore except to the pathetic dads living vicariously through their children! Its all about high school ball now from this moment forward. You cant win a state championship playing for True Blue or 91. College coaches dont care about who wins the LI Lax fest.Club lax is great if you have a good coach and your director has college contacts, but for most kids high school lax is where they will shine and get recruited to the school they want. High school lax is where they will make friendships and bonds that will last the rest of their lives. So sit back, relax and enjoy the ride and stop worrying about which 14 yr old lacrosse team is better.
What about the friendships made on a travel team? It's great for these kids to have different friends from different towns. Its all good.
My son has played travel lax for the last 6 years and has made several very good friends from other towns and I think that is a great thing, however I dont think it can compare to playing and hanging out with the same kids all through high school and beyond. The "Band of Brothers" mentality is alive and well and is a beautiful thing to watch when you see it happen.
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I'm not saying you should do one or the other, they should be able to do both
Outlaws have 28 but will bring 22......Hmmmm..sounds like another organization that caught all sorts of flack for doing the same thing........(hint: Terps Black)
How did that work?
Answer: it did not work. At all. Period. End of THAT discussion.
One suggestion is to post rosters at selection. We would be surprised, disgusted at some, while impressed regarding other clubs. Revolving door rosters must go. This is a challenge that select few would welcome. My boys club never borrowed, or left home a single player, not one single time. Not from selection, in fall tourneys, during winter league, nor in spring and certainly summer tourneys. We went out of state SEVERAL times, short a few on many occasions. We may all bicker and name call now, but this team never once made exception. THAT is something that very few can claim. They may CLAIM it, but enough fans, friends, former teammates, and folks-in-the-know are out there to put the fibs to rest. Thanks for your time
College coaches may not care who wins LI Laxfest, but you can be sure they do not care who wins the state championship either. The top colleges have the 2016 class nearly classes nearly full and are working actively on 2017s. All this is before most boys have even stepped on the field for a JV game. Club lax, individual showcases and who you are connected to (before HS) are all way more important than HS lacrosse when it comes to recruiting.
Regarding the friendships point, you are 100% accurate.
This is all fun to talk about but none of this matters anymore except to the pathetic dads living vicariously through their children! Its all about high school ball now from this moment forward. You cant win a state championship playing for True Blue or 91. College coaches dont care about who wins the LI Lax fest.Club lax is great if you have a good coach and your director has college contacts, but for most kids high school lax is where they will shine and get recruited to the school they want. High school lax is where they will make friendships and bonds that will last the rest of their lives. So sit back, relax and enjoy the ride and stop worrying about which 14 yr old lacrosse team is better.
My friend, you make a couple of decent points, mostly a nice warm closing statement. However, the opposite is true regarding college coaches watching the lax fest results. I make my living in the athletics department at a NY college. This depends upon the actual high school referred to. The blanket statement is just too vague and inaccurate. Sorry.
College coaches may not care who wins LI Laxfest, but you can be sure they do not care who wins the state championship either. The top colleges have the 2016 class nearly classes nearly full and are working actively on 2017s. All this is before most boys have even stepped on the field for a JV game. Club lax, individual showcases and who you are connected to (before HS) are all way more important than HS lacrosse when it comes to recruiting.
Regarding the friendships point, you are 100% accurate.
This is all fun to talk about but none of this matters anymore except to the pathetic dads living vicariously through their children! Its all about high school ball now from this moment forward. You cant win a state championship playing for True Blue or 91. College coaches dont care about who wins the LI Lax fest.Club lax is great if you have a good coach and your director has college contacts, but for most kids high school lax is where they will shine and get recruited to the school they want. High school lax is where they will make friendships and bonds that will last the rest of their lives. So sit back, relax and enjoy the ride and stop worrying about which 14 yr old lacrosse team is better.
My friend, you make a couple of decent points, mostly a nice warm closing statement. However, the opposite is true regarding college coaches watching the lax fest results. I make my living in the athletics department at a NY college. This depends upon the actual high school referred to. The blanket statement is just too vague and inaccurate. Sorry.
Must disagree! I know several D1 lax coaches personally, they look for talent and teamwork, they could care less who wins. They tell me it's about finding a kid who fits into their program. They are not recruiting the whole team! In fact, it is rare that you see more than two kids from a program going to the same school. I'm sorry too
91 dad from your post's you are the angry one. You had a bad experince with Express and can't let it go. Life is to short. let it go. There are plenty of people who like the Express and feel it is best for the child.
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Why is it that all express parents think everyone is angry? Sometimes things just aren't a good fit for numerous reasons. But you all seem bent on saying everyone else is angry. Perhaps your impressions are sublimated or rather suppressed hostilities over the fact that you pay so much for so little. Didja really feel your kid got the best he deserved and that you really got your money's worth? Really? C'mon...be honest with yourselves. There were whole sidelines of perturbed parents at each and every event. That is undeniable.
If you're happy just having your kid involved in a sport and not really concerned over the long term bigger picture; that's fine. But Long Island is chocka block full of great talent and it needs to be nurtured properly. Coached properly.
We will have to agree to disagree. I maintain that express has become nothing more than a glorified money grab and nothing more. [/quote]
Have you seen anyone about this obsession with Express? You need some help. People have a choice and you need to back off. All Express parents this and all Express parents that. You got it all figure out. Wow
Looks like the Express are now the team to beat. They survived the raiding for the most part and kept their best kids together and have a smaller more cohesive team. Team chemistry was building at the end of the year and the momentum will continue. Lots of other very good teams on the Island though, and in any given game any team can win.
Turtles still beat the Terps black by 10. Terps have not upgraded at all.
Turtles still beat the Terps black by 10. Terps have not upgraded at all.
Hilarious!! Express vs Express! This post was probably written by a parent of a mediocre Turtle, one of those turtles you see trying to cross the road and feel so bad for that you stop your car to help it before it becomes roadkill.
Eventually survival of the fittest will prevail and after a few of the very good players on your team commit to schools, you will be scratching your head, wondering why you bought into the hype. Sad for you.
Turtles still beat the Terps black by 10. Terps have not upgraded at all.
Hilarious!! Express vs Express! This post was probably written by a parent of a mediocre Turtle, one of those turtles you see trying to cross the road and feel so bad for that you stop your car to help it before it becomes roadkill.
Eventually survival of the fittest will prevail and after a few of the very good players on your team commit to schools, you will be scratching your head, wondering why you bought into the hype. Sad for you.
and this post sounds like it was written from an x-turtle/ x-terps and i'm sure future x-91 parent
Looks like the Express are now the team to beat. They survived the raiding for the most part and kept their best kids together and have a smaller more cohesive team. Team chemistry was building at the end of the year and the momentum will continue. Lots of other very good teams on the Island though, and in any given game any team can win.
Lots of talent at the Express tryout today. More then last week. Lots of lax played. Now we will see how it works out?????
Turtles still beat the Terps black by 10. Terps have not upgraded at all.
You would win by 10 goals, is that ONE GOAL per turtle player?
Turtles still beat the Terps black by 10. Terps have not upgraded at all.
Saw it last Sunday and saw it today, no difference between turtle top players compared to those terp black top players. Very easy to see.
Most likely no need to upgrade, terps black team didn't have players running away from it from what I understand. I heard they didn't lose one starter, didn't the turtles lose two or three starters?
Looks like the Express are now the team to beat. They survived the raiding for the most part and kept their best kids together and have a smaller more cohesive team. Team chemistry was building at the end of the year and the momentum will continue. Lots of other very good teams on the Island though, and in any given game any team can win.
"team to beat" & "survived the raiding"? Amazing how you ppl think
Turtles still beat the Terps black by 10. Terps have not upgraded at all.
ummmm. ok. will that now make the little people and their insignificant comments go away???
Turtles still beat the Terps black by 10. Terps have not upgraded at all.
Hilarious!! Express vs Express! This post was probably written by a parent of a mediocre Turtle, one of those turtles you see trying to cross the road and feel so bad for that you stop your car to help it before it becomes roadkill.
Eventually survival of the fittest will prevail and after a few of the very good players on your team commit to schools, you will be scratching your head, wondering why you bought into the hype. Sad for you.
and this post sounds like it was written from an x-turtle/ x-terps and i'm sure future x-91 parent
I can't believe adults are writing these comments! You should be embarrassed!
One particular scene at the Tryouts today was very instructive. Saw one of the Turtle "stars" crying on the sideline complaining the boys from Terps played too tough defense. I could not believe what I was seeing. On a certain level I felt bad for the kid. Reality sucks and no one wants to see something like that for a young kid. But the Turtle bubble of invincibility is slowly bursting.
Turtles still beat the Terps black by 10. Terps have not upgraded at all.
Hilarious!! Express vs Express! This post was probably written by a parent of a mediocre Turtle, one of those turtles you see trying to cross the road and feel so bad for that you stop your car to help it before it becomes roadkill.
Eventually survival of the fittest will prevail and after a few of the very good players on your team commit to schools, you will be scratching your head, wondering why you bought into the hype. Sad for you.
and this post sounds like it was written from an x-turtle/ x-terps and i'm sure future x-91 parent
Def not written by a double X player parent. This has to be a disgruntled still angry express terps parent. Turtles are a great team and have great players any parents. Undeniably they will garner the haters who feel that their kid shoulda woulda coulda been a turtle. X players aren't haters...prob just looking for the best fit. That being said; the bar set so high by the turtles is now within reach of a team or two as they strive to be as good as the turtles. It is safe to say that the turtles inspired many kids to try and be as good if not better.
Turtles still beat the Terps black by 10. Terps have not upgraded at all.
You would win by 10 goals, is that ONE GOAL per turtle player?
Not only did the terps not upgrade, they gave up at least one Terp black to the turtles
(What is this amphibian obsession all about, anyway :-)
Turtles still beat the Terps black by 10. Terps have not upgraded at all.
You would win by 10 goals, is that ONE GOAL per turtle player?
Aren’t the Turtles recruiting some Terps?
Turtles still beat the Terps black by 10. Terps have not upgraded at all.
Hilarious!! Express vs Express! This post was probably written by a parent of a mediocre Turtle, one of those turtles you see trying to cross the road and feel so bad for that you stop your car to help it before it becomes roadkill.
Eventually survival of the fittest will prevail and after a few of the very good players on your team commit to schools, you will be scratching your head, wondering why you bought into the hype. Sad for you.
Who's kidding who...the Turtles are associated with the Express in name only and do not operate anything like the other Express teams when it comes to putting together an on-field product. They operate completely unto themselves - no Express meetings, tryouts etc. Any connection is all back office stuff.
I cannot believe you people have kids in HIGH SCHOOL! Time to move on people, nooone cares about the Turtles or Terps Purple or whatever they are calling themselves these days. Its unreal the stuff that is posted on this site.
Turtles still beat the Terps black by 10. Terps have not upgraded at all.
Hilarious!! Express vs Express! This post was probably written by a parent of a mediocre Turtle, one of those turtles you see trying to cross the road and feel so bad for that you stop your car to help it before it becomes roadkill.
Eventually survival of the fittest will prevail and after a few of the very good players on your team commit to schools, you will be scratching your head, wondering why you bought into the hype. Sad for you.
Who's kidding who...the Turtles are associated with the Express in name only and do not operate anything like the other Express teams when it comes to putting together an on-field product. They operate completely unto themselves - no Express meetings, tryouts etc. Any connection is all back office stuff.
There were 15 or so Turtles at the Express tryouts? So some of what you are saying is inaccurate?
No one care about turtles , terps or how many wins your club team has we are out of elementary school now. You need to do something else with all the time on your hands.
No one care about turtles , terps or how many wins your club team has we are out of elementary school now. You need to do something else with all the time on your hands.
They care so they can put the little magnet on the back of their cars.
No one care about turtles , terps or how many wins your club team has we are out of elementary school now. You need to do something else with all the time on your hands.
Don't worry, these are the same fathers that will be sure to "run into" the HS coach in the parking lot, have him over for a BBQ...volunteer to bring water over to the sidelines during games...you haven't heard the last of these people
It is a sticker not a magnet !
Ouch!!!! That kills resale value
It is a sticker not a magnet !
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
It is a sticker not a magnet !
It is a magnetic sticker!
Manufactured and sold by Lax Unlim and the little turtle only waves to other little turtle magnet stickers.
The adults have a secret handshake also....
It is a sticker not a magnet !
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
You're second grade teacher called and says to get back to class!
It is a sticker not a magnet !
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
You're second grade teacher called and says to get back to class!
Seems the turtle escaped from it's tank and is wandering down the hall, please someone find him before he escapes into the real world and actually has to survive on his own!
Turtles still beat the Terps black by 10. Terps have not upgraded at all.
Hilarious!! Express vs Express! This post was probably written by a parent of a mediocre Turtle, one of those turtles you see trying to cross the road and feel so bad for that you stop your car to help it before it becomes roadkill.
Eventually survival of the fittest will prevail and after a few of the very good players on your team commit to schools, you will be scratching your head, wondering why you bought into the hype. Sad for you.
and this post sounds like it was written from an x-turtle/ x-terps and i'm sure future x-91 parent
Def not written by a double X player parent. This has to be a disgruntled still angry express terps parent. Turtles are a great team and have great players any parents. Undeniably they will garner the haters who feel that their kid shoulda woulda coulda been a turtle. X players aren't haters...prob just looking for the best fit. That being said; the bar set so high by the turtles is now within reach of a team or two as they strive to be as good as the turtles. It is safe to say that the turtles inspired many kids to try and be as good if not better.
This is the most accurate post to date. I'm not associated with the Express/Turtles and agree whole heartedly. The Turtles set the bar over the years & my son, for one, has only become better for it. These boys need to find the right fit for themselves. Turtles, TB, 91, fl$, Terps, Outlaws, etc. There is a tremendous amount talent on LI in the 2017 group. The next couple of years should be interesting!
We should just call this forum this 2017 Turtle/Terp board. Its unreal how much jealousy and hatred is spewed at a group of kids. The Turtles are a great team and have been for the past 5 years or so, and I agree with the poster who said the Turtles made the rest of this age group better. However it is High School now and other teams have caught up. Everyone needs to move on now from all the Turtle bashing, its really silly. Concentrate on your own kid and his experience and enjoy the ride.
Notification went out for Express 2017. Good Luck.
Notification went out for Express 2017. Good Luck.
Let the games begin!
Notification went out for Express 2017. Good Luck.
Let the games begin!
looks like orange is the new black....
honk if you're a turtle... then pass the grey poupuon
Seems like terps black and terps merged
Seems like terps black and terps merged
Merged? Not exactly.
Seems like terps black and terps merged
Merged? Not exactly.
more like purged...
Seems like terps black and terps merged
Merged? Not exactly.
more like purged...
Why would you say something like that? Why so bitter and angry at this team already? Tool.
Seems like terps black and terps merged
Merged? Not exactly.
more like purged...
I think Channy tried to do the right thing this time. Seems to me like he has the kids on an appropriate team. No one should complain because one team is coached by Jack Moran and One team is coached by Channy. I think the kids are the winners on this. Lets see what happens in the games.
MR STATE CHAMPION...
lets say your son is a senior in HS and his team wins the state championship by some 1-10,000 chance. Then what??
State Champ winner plus a subway token can get you to walk on tryout anywhere in the country
Seems like terps black and terps merged
Merged? Not exactly.
more like purged...
Why would you say something like that? Why so bitter and angry at this team already? Tool.
These people don’t like MC so they attack the Express’s teams because they feel that will discourage people from joining the Express. Very angry and immature. These teams will do just fine. They always do.
Seems like terps black and terps merged
Merged? Not exactly.
more like purged...
Why would you say something like that? Why so 🐃bitter and angry at this team already? Tool.
These people don’t like MC so they attack the Express’s teams because they feel that will discourage people from joining the Express. Very angry and immature. These teams will do just fine. They always do
I don't think you know what purge means. To me it means getting rid of the non impact players that took of valuable spots. It was ok up till now but a great team can't depend on the first line to win. If my child made the orange team I would grab it because mc knows exactly what needs to be done. AND he is a great coach! And not for nothing but this year all the express teams have an exceptional coaching staff.
1-10,000 is over the top. Isn't 1 out of 2 in the CHSAA and about 1/100 for a,b,c ?
MR STATE CHAMPION...
lets say your son is a senior in HS and his team wins the state championship by some 1-10,000 chance. Then what??
State Champ winner plus a subway token can get you to walk on tryout anywhere in the country
MR STATE CHAMPION...
lets say your son is a senior in HS and his team wins the state championship by some 1-10,000 chance. Then what??
State Champ winner plus a subway token can get you to walk on tryout anywhere in the country
MR I know nothing about lacrosse
This might be the stupidest post I have ever read on these boards, and thats no small feat. Talk to the kids at Garden City, Shoreham Wading River, West Islip, etc about how important winning a State Championship is. Take a look at the amount of kids that have been recruited from those schools the year after they won a state title. Not to mention the experience of winning a state title with the kids you have been playing with since grade school. I shouldnt blame you though, if youve never played a campetitive sport in your life and are living vicariously through your child you wouldnt know this. Keep dumping thousands of dollars into that overrated, money hungry club your son plays for, that and a subway token might get your son into a good school. Good luck with that.
MR STATE CHAMPION...
lets say your son is a senior in HS and his team wins the state championship by some 1-10,000 chance. Then what??
State Champ winner plus a subway token can get you to walk on tryout anywhere in the country
MR I know nothing about lacrosse
This might be the stupidest post I have ever read on these boards, and thats no small feat. Talk to the kids at Garden City, Shoreham Wading River, West Islip, etc about how important winning a State Championship is. Take a look at the amount of kids that have been recruited from those schools the year after they won a state title. Not to mention the experience of winning a state title with the kids you have been playing with since grade school. I shouldnt blame you though, if youve never played a campetitive sport in your life and are living vicariously through your child you wouldnt know this. Keep dumping thousands of dollars into that overrated, money hungry club your son plays for, that and a subway token might get your son into a good school. Good luck with that.
What if your son doesn't go to one of the schools you mentioned and has no chance of winning a state or district title. Wouldn't you advise him to work with a summer team in order to get recruited. I think your focus is too narrow. there are hundreds of boys/girls out there who could play on college teams that attend high schools that don't win championships and that for them a good way to be seen or recruited is to play club lacrosse. You sound as though all club lacrosse teams should be avoided. That's not my experience at all. In fact my son's club coach is doing far more than his high school coach ever could for my son's recruiting prospects.
What if your kid isnt one of the 5 best on the team? WM was clear, they are not helping, you do that on your own time...
The only problem I have ever had is simple--
If WM and those schools like them want a boy on their team in the summer, fine. Let that boy and his family choose if they also want to play with a club on their own time.
Why in the world would the school caoch care if my kid plays on his 30 man roster, but then goes to play with a club on a 20 man roster. Why cant a kid do both (if he wants to)???
Shouldnt the coaches encourage more playing rather than less?
What if your kid isnt one of the 5 best on the team? WM was clear, they are not helping, you do that on your own time...
The only problem I have ever had is simple--
If WM and those schools like them want a boy on their team in the summer, fine. Let that boy and his family choose if they also want to play with a club on their own time.
Why in the world would the school caoch care if my kid plays on his 30 man roster, but then goes to play with a club on a 20 man roster. Why cant a kid do both (if he wants to)???
Shouldnt the coaches encourage more playing rather than less?
Like everything else in today's world it comes down to money. I have seen it many times in my town which is a traditional strong lax town. Kids play for both the HS summer team and their club teams but the parents pay twice as much or more for the club teams so whenever there is a conflict the club team wins out. And there are always going to be conflicts.
Six terp kids make the Terp Black team this year, maybe they weren't,t so bad after all?
Which 2017 Express teams are A,B, etc?
Six terp kids make the Terp Black team this year, maybe they weren't,t so bad after all?
How many of the Terp black kids got moved down? Also how many of the Terps/Terp Black got cut all together? This will be a true indication if the Express is doing the right thing for the 2017
How many of the Terp black kids got moved down? Also how many of the Terps/Terp Black got cut all together?
BOTC has a question for you. Why are these questions viewed as fair game? We ask this for several reasons.
First, these are youth players (ninth graders) we are discussing here. Newsday will be covering these players with their Varsity teams this Spring if they have the skills needed, so why not name the players - and yourself - if you have so many questions.
Second, why is it that people are so comfortable asking about players having been demoted on the athletics field but you would never consider asking "Who could not cut the mustard in their Advanced Placement class?" Athletics vs. AP - do we need to tell you which is more important?
Regardless, the questions being asked by this poster are simply inappropriate. If you have a problem with the roster composition, dear poster, grow a pair and come out into the open, post your objection, and then contact the club.
Wow botc why so defensive , he did not ask for names only numbers.does your kid go do Chaminade or St. Anthony?
Wow botc why so defensive , he did not ask for names only numbers.does your kid go do Chaminade or St. Anthony?
Not defensive and trust us when we tell you that we have no dog in this fight.
Neither of my college graduates went to the Long Island private schools. Both were public school graduates from here on Long Island.
Both have now graduated from Top 30 Universities nationally after having been their high school class valedictorians, sports captains, All-State musicians, and club leaders. One is now pursuing a PhD at one of the Top 5 Universities nationally while the other has just entered the workforce (off-Long Island) following graduation. We have walked the long mile when it comes to recruiting, collegiate education, graduate school preparation, and workforce post-collegiate preparation.
So, back to your question. Defensive? Not so much. The fact is that the number of players that have moved up or down in the club pecking order provides absolutely no insight on anything related to the program. Whether the number was one or ten, what difference would that make to the reader?
Sounds like you raise some good kids, congrats. Just confused the hot topic right now is try outs why would we not discuss who moves up and down ?
Sounds like you raise some good kids, congrats. Just confused the hot topic right now is try outs why would we not discuss who moves up and down ?
You're kidding, right? Cage made it clear; these are youth lacrosse players. They are there for fundamental development and growth as players and young men. What position they have on a team and if they moved from A to B team is irrelevant.
Be concerned that your kid is happy and healthy and enjoying the sport they like. There is no indication to generate or invent pressure or situations where they would be exposed to criticism or judgement as to where they play.
If your kid is not playing on the team you think he belongs on; then take it up with the coaches. A public forum is not the place to dissect one child's abilities vs another.
They will land on the team they are supposed to be on.
Sounds like you raise some good kids, congrats. Just confused the hot topic right now is try outs why would we not discuss who moves up and down ?
You're kidding, right? Cage made it clear; these are youth lacrosse players. They are there for fundamental development and growth as players and young men. What position they have on a team and if they moved from A to B team is irrelevant.
Be concerned that your kid is happy and healthy and enjoying the sport they like. There is no indication to generate or invent pressure or situations where they would be exposed to criticism or judgement as to where they play.
If your kid is not playing on the team you think he belongs on; then take it up with the coaches. A public forum is not the place to dissect one child's abilities vs another.
They will land on the team they are supposed to be on.
I must disagree, At this age "dissecting" players abilities is exactly what college coaches are doing! Anytime now, the wave of 2017 commitments will begin, so it matters this year more than ever what team a kid is on! Fundamenatal development should have already happened by this age.This is a forum about lacrosse, so thats whatis discussed here. Parents are their kids biggest advocate, and many times they are angry because there kid was shaffted due to politics. I sincerely wish all players the best, and esspecially the talented kids that get raw deals. Stick with it and don't get too caught up in the hype, but definately keep playing your absolute best every time and things will work out the way they are meant too.
Sounds like you raise some good kids, congrats. Just confused the hot topic right now is try outs why would we not discuss who moves up and down ?
You're kidding, right? Cage made it clear; these are youth lacrosse players. They are there for fundamental development and growth as players and young men. What position they have on a team and if they moved from A to B team is irrelevant.
Be concerned that your kid is happy and healthy and enjoying the sport they like. There is no indication to generate or invent pressure or situations where they would be exposed to criticism or judgement as to where they play.
If your kid is not playing on the team you think he belongs on; then take it up with the coaches. A public forum is not the place to dissect one child's abilities vs another.
They will land on the team they are supposed to be on.
I must disagree, At this age "dissecting" players abilities is exactly what college coaches are doing! Anytime now, the wave of 2017 commitments will begin, so it matters this year more than ever what team a kid is on! Fundamenatal development should have already happened by this age.This is a forum about lacrosse, so thats whatis discussed here. Parents are their kids biggest advocate, and many times they are angry because there kid was shaffted due to politics. I sincerely wish all players the best, and esspecially the talented kids that get raw deals. Stick with it and don't get too caught up in the hype, but definately keep playing your absolute best every time and things will work out the way they are meant too.
"It matters this year more than ever which team you're on"???? You are very confused with regard to the recruiting process. I will agree your son may get some better exposure to top coaches on a good team. More talent means more coaches. However, the recruiting game is changing. Coaches want to see how players perform without the security of their teammates. This why the camps and showcases are so big now. You know the top ones. Much more important to be at those and play well on your own. This shows the coach your true talents, and IQ. Further, the individual college prospect days and clinics are critical.
Sounds like you raise some good kids, congrats. Just confused the hot topic right now is try outs why would we not discuss who moves up and down ?
You're kidding, right? Cage made it clear; these are youth lacrosse players. They are there for fundamental development and growth as players and young men. What position they have on a team and if they moved from A to B team is irrelevant.
Be concerned that your kid is happy and healthy and enjoying the sport they like. There is no indication to generate or invent pressure or situations where they would be exposed to criticism or judgement as to where they play.
If your kid is not playing on the team you think he belongs on; then take it up with the coaches. A public forum is not the place to dissect one child's abilities vs another.
They will land on the team they are supposed to be on.
I must disagree, At this age "dissecting" players abilities is exactly what college coaches are doing! Anytime now, the wave of 2017 commitments will begin, so it matters this year more than ever what team a kid is on! Fundamenatal development should have already happened by this age.This is a forum about lacrosse, so thats whatis discussed here. Parents are their kids biggest advocate, and many times they are angry because there kid was shaffted due to politics. I sincerely wish all players the best, and esspecially the talented kids that get raw deals. Stick with it and don't get too caught up in the hype, but definately keep playing your absolute best every time and things will work out the way they are meant too.
"It matters this year more than ever which team you're on"???? You are very confused with regard to the recruiting process. I will agree your son may get some better exposure to top coaches on a good team. More talent means more coaches. However, the recruiting game is changing. Coaches want to see how players perform without the security of their teammates. This why the camps and showcases are so big now. You know the top ones. Much more important to be at those and play well on your own. This shows the coach your true talents, and IQ. Further, the individual college prospect days and clinics are critical.
Shush, you are 100% correct, but why share with those that want to fight over E....ss Orange or Terps, and who is who, and why they are on what team. We all know why some kids end up on Orange. Let them keep believing what they want.
Sounds like you raise some good kids, congrats. Just confused the hot topic right now is try outs why would we not discuss who moves up and down ?
You're kidding, right? Cage made it clear; these are youth lacrosse players. They are there for fundamental development and growth as players and young men. What position they have on a team and if they moved from A to B team is irrelevant.
Be concerned that your kid is happy and healthy and enjoying the sport they like. There is no indication to generate or invent pressure or situations where they would be exposed to criticism or judgement as to where they play.
If your kid is not playing on the team you think he belongs on; then take it up with the coaches. A public forum is not the place to dissect one child's abilities vs another.
They will land on the team they are supposed to be on.
I must disagree, At this age "dissecting" players abilities is exactly what college coaches are doing! Anytime now, the wave of 2017 commitments will begin, so it matters this year more than ever what team a kid is on! Fundamenatal development should have already happened by this age.This is a forum about lacrosse, so thats whatis discussed here. Parents are their kids biggest advocate, and many times they are angry because there kid was shaffted due to politics. I sincerely wish all players the best, and esspecially the talented kids that get raw deals. Stick with it and don't get too caught up in the hype, but definately keep playing your absolute best every time and things will work out the way they are meant too.
"It matters this year more than ever which team you're on"???? You are very confused with regard to the recruiting process. I will agree your son may get some better exposure to top coaches on a good team. More talent means more coaches. However, the recruiting game is changing. Coaches want to see how players perform without the security of their teammates. This why the camps and showcases are so big now. You know the top ones. Much more important to be at those and play well on your own. This shows the coach your true talents, and IQ. Further, the individual college prospect days and clinics are critical.
Shush, you are 100% correct, but why share with those that want to fight over E....ss Orange or Terps, and who is who, and why they are on what team. We all know why some kids end up on Orange. Let them keep believing what they want.
St Anthony’s and Chaminade kids get pushed to the front from here on in. That is very clear from the results of the Express tryouts. Now the Terps team is getting diluted because kids are leaving the Express and moving on to other teams. Express is back filling with next in line.
[quote=Anonymous]Sounds like you raise some good kids, congrats. Just confused the hot topic right now is try outs why would we not discuss who moves up and down ?
You're kidding, right? Cage made it clear; these are youth lacrosse players. They are there for fundamental development and growth as players and young men. What position they have on a team and if they moved from A to B team is irrelevant.
Be concerned that your kid is happy and healthy and enjoying the sport they like. There is no indication to generate or invent pressure or situations where they would be exposed to criticism or judgement as to where they play.
If your kid is not playing on the team you think he belongs on; then take it up with the coaches. A public forum is not the place to dissect one child's abilities vs another.
They will land on the team they are supposed to be on.
I must disagree, At this age "dissecting" players abilities is exactly what college coaches are doing! Anytime now, the wave of 2017 commitments will begin, so it matters this year more than ever what team a kid is on! Fundamenatal development should have already happened by this age.This is a forum about lacrosse, so thats whatis discussed here. Parents are their kids biggest advocate, and many times they are angry because there kid was shaffted due to politics. I sincerely wish all players the best, and esspecially the talented kids that get raw deals. Stick with it and don't get too caught up in the hype, but definately keep playing your absolute best every time and things will work out the way they are meant too.
"It matters this year more than ever which team you're on"???? You are very confused with regard to the recruiting process. I will agree your son may get some better exposure to top coaches on a good team. More talent means more coaches. However, the recruiting game is changing. Coaches want to see how players perform without the security of their teammates. This why the camps and showcases are so big now. You know the top ones. Much more important to be at those and play well on your own. This shows the coach your true talents, and IQ. Further, the individual college prospect days and clinics are critical.
Shush, you are 100% correct, but why share with those that want to fight over E....ss Orange or Terps, and who is who, and why they are on what team. We all know why some kids end up on Orange. Let them keep believing what they want.
St Anthony’s and Chaminade kids get pushed to the front from here on in. That is very clear from the results of the Express tryouts. Now the Terps team is getting diluted because kids are leaving the Express and moving on to other teams. Express is back filling with next in line.
To poster: "It matters more this year than ever before???" Why did you ask the question in a condesending manor, just to go on and give a logical answer??? I am certainly not confused about the recruiting process. I have have seen boys that play on top teams, but not show well at the recuiting camps/showcases get lots of college interest. I have also seen boys that play on mediocre club team, but excel at the recruiting camps/showcases get equal interest. So I guess we will agree that being on a top team exposes a player to more college coaches. If they can also perform well at a top showcase, that pretty much seals the deal. The kid on the "b" team only has one option, rock the showcase!
I think Channy did an excellent job assembling the Orange team. Nice balance of skills and kids that play well together. If you ask the kids they like this team.Also I think having Moran coach Terps was a great move as well as it gives kids a chance to develop under a coaching legend.
I think Channy did an excellent job assembling the Orange team. Nice balance of skills and kids that play well together. If you ask the kids they like this team.Also I think having Moran coach Terps was a great move as well as it gives kids a chance to develop under a coaching legend.
Hows that Terps team shaping up? Hearing they're having a really hard time getting kids to commit? Moran is a great coach no doubt, I guess he'll have his work cut out for him.
I think Channy did an excellent job assembling the Orange team. Nice balance of skills and kids that play well together. If you ask the kids they like this team.Also I think having Moran coach Terps was a great move as well as it gives kids a chance to develop under a coaching legend.
I could not agree more!
I think Channy did an excellent job assembling the Orange team. Nice balance of skills and kids that play well together. If you ask the kids they like this team.Also I think having Moran coach Terps was a great move as well as it gives kids a chance to develop under a coaching legend.
Hows that Terps team shaping up? Hearing they're having a really hard time getting kids to commit? Moran is a great coach no doubt, I guess he'll have his work cut out for him.
I actually heard the opposite, I personally know 10 families who signed up asap and all are not catholic school
Terps are going to be a low level B team which is fine for the kids who will be playing there. Coach Moran is an excellent coach who will make the boys better. My son made the team and accepted the invite. He is excited to get started and he knows several of the kids on the team. Should be fun!
9th Grade Jesters tryouts this weekend. You would think they will get a lot of kids trying out that are still looking for a team. Lots of talent still out there, kids who aren't going to catholic school or didn't make any of the "big club" A teams! Jesters Black had a competitive team last summer and a lot of their kids are coming back. They have a spot in the U15 National Championship so they will be going to Denver.
Terps are going to be a low level B team which is fine for the kids who will be playing there. Coach Moran is an excellent coach who will make the boys better. My son made the team and accepted the invite. He is excited to get started and he knows several of the kids on the team. Should be fun!
They are not low level B. Please think that when you play them.
OMG, I want to reply so badly to this post, but mode won't let me
Terps are going to be a low level B team which is fine for the kids who will be playing there. Coach Moran is an excellent coach who will make the boys better. My son made the team and accepted the invite. He is excited to get started and he knows several of the kids on the team. Should be fun!
They are not low level B. Please think that when you play them.
And you know this how? You know exactly who's committed and who's not? I think you're going to be very suprised at the final make up of that team. Best of luck to you and your son.
Terps are going to be a low level B team which is fine for the kids who will be playing there. Coach Moran is an excellent coach who will make the boys better. My son made the team and accepted the invite. He is excited to get started and he knows several of the kids on the team. Should be fun!
They are not low level B. Please think that when you play them.
And you know this how? You know exactly who's committed and who's not? I think you're going to be very suprised at the final make up of that team. Best of luck to you and your son.
Thanks! No subsitiute for coaching. And with one of the most respected HS coaches in the country teaching the boys - things are off to a promising start.
Make sure it's not MC with a fake Mustache.
MC is a great coach and he runs one of the top organizations in the country. The training that he provides the players in his organization you will not find anywhere. The way he sets up tournaments for all players of the Express organization to participate all year long and that's all you have to do is sign up on the website is incredible. But! yes there is a but, if you were selected to play on one of the B teams you must run for the hills! There is zero quality control on the B and C teams. If you are on one of these teams you will see multiple coach's through out the year to coach the team very rarely does a coach finish out the season. Last year I think it was supposed to be Schwalje and Lynot were supposed to coach the B team. Now they are saying Moran is going to coach, do you really believe he will be there all of the time? Come on, he will show up for some tournaments and maybe a few practices if your lucky, he has his hands full with Chaminade and will not have the time to properly coach this team. What MC should do is hire a B director that over see's these teams and make sure they are being properly coached but he spreads himself to thin.
MC is a great coach and he runs one of the top organizations in the country. The training that he provides the players in his organization you will not find anywhere. The way he sets up tournaments for all players of the Express organization to participate all year long and that's all you have to do is sign up on the website is incredible. But! yes there is a but, if you were selected to play on one of the B teams you must run for the hills! There is zero quality control on the B and C teams. If you are on one of these teams you will see multiple coach's through out the year to coach the team very rarely does a coach finish out the season. Last year I think it was supposed to be Schwalje and Lynot were supposed to coach the B team. Now they are saying Moran is going to coach, do you really believe he will be there all of the time? Come on, he will show up for some tournaments and maybe a few practices if your lucky, he has his hands full with Chaminade and will not have the time to properly coach this team. What MC should do is hire a B director that over see's these teams and make sure they are being properly coached but he spreads himself to thin.
You forgot to mention that you pay very high additional costs for that training you receive with the express.
I agree, no way Moran is the full time coach of the team.
MC is a great coach and he runs one of the top organizations in the country. The training that he provides the players in his organization you will not find anywhere. The way he sets up tournaments for all players of the Express organization to participate all year long and that's all you have to do is sign up on the website is incredible. But! yes there is a but, if you were selected to play on one of the B teams you must run for the hills! There is zero quality control on the B and C teams. If you are on one of these teams you will see multiple coach's through out the year to coach the team very rarely does a coach finish out the season. Last year I think it was supposed to be Schwalje and Lynot were supposed to coach the B team. Now they are saying Moran is going to coach, do you really believe he will be there all of the time? Come on, he will show up for some tournaments and maybe a few practices if your lucky, he has his hands full with Chaminade and will not have the time to properly coach this team. What MC should do is hire a B director that over see's these teams and make sure they are being properly coached but he spreads himself to thin.
I've spoken to Coach Moran and he and Coach Gene Isnardi will both be involved all year from day one. Sorry to burst your bubble but my son is very happy to be with those 2 coaches and his new teammates. Prior to making claims, phone numbers to the LIE directors are on the website, yes they respond. Call and ask the the question. enjoy it will be a fun year
MC is a great coach and he runs one of the top organizations in the country. The training that he provides the players in his organization you will not find anywhere. The way he sets up tournaments for all players of the Express organization to participate all year long and that's all you have to do is sign up on the website is incredible. But! yes there is a but, if you were selected to play on one of the B teams you must run for the hills! There is zero quality control on the B and C teams. If you are on one of these teams you will see multiple coach's through out the year to coach the team very rarely does a coach finish out the season. Last year I think it was supposed to be Schwalje and Lynot were supposed to coach the B team. Now they are saying Moran is going to coach, do you really believe he will be there all of the time? Come on, he will show up for some tournaments and maybe a few practices if your lucky, he has his hands full with Chaminade and will not have the time to properly coach this team. What MC should do is hire a B director that over see's these teams and make sure they are being properly coached but he spreads himself to thin.
My son was on the 3rd team last year and we had the two of the most dedicated coaches EVER! practiced from November to July. 2 Fall tourneys, 2 Indoor leagues, OBLL, 6 summer Tourneys and about 40 practices. Are there coaching irregularities from team to team - I guess - but not every team.
THey will be "involved" exactly! If you think they will be there for every practice and every tournament you are out of your mind! Who wouldnt love those 2 coach's it would be a dream situation but its not happening. And by the way many parents have made that call and only to be lied to.
Please let know when day one starts, you are clueless.
Very excited about the Express Orange Team this year. The core of the team is very strong and athletic . The rest of the team really understand their roles and do them well. This team can play at a very high speed. It took MC a while to find the right mix of kids, but he definitely has it. Several of these kids will be starting on good varsity teams this year.
MC is a great coach and he runs one of the top organizations in the country. The training that he provides the players in his organization you will not find anywhere. The way he sets up tournaments for all players of the Express organization to participate all year long and that's all you have to do is sign up on the website is incredible. But! yes there is a but, if you were selected to play on one of the B teams you must run for the hills! There is zero quality control on the B and C teams. If you are on one of these teams you will see multiple coach's through out the year to coach the team very rarely does a coach finish out the season. Last year I think it was supposed to be Schwalje and Lynot were supposed to coach the B team. Now they are saying Moran is going to coach, do you really believe he will be there all of the time? Come on, he will show up for some tournaments and maybe a few practices if your lucky, he has his hands full with Chaminade and will not have the time to properly coach this team. What MC should do is hire a B director that over see's these teams and make sure they are being properly coached but he spreads himself to thin.
I've spoken to Coach Moran and he and Coach Gene Isnardi will both be involved all year from day one. Sorry to burst your bubble but my son is very happy to be with those 2 coaches and his new teammates. Prior to making claims, phone numbers to the LIE directors are on the website, yes they respond. Call and ask the the question. enjoy it will be a fun year
I went on to the Express website and searched high and Low and could not find a phone # for anyone. There is only a general email. Not sure how you got Moran’s # to speak to him?
has all the maverick showtime invitations went out for 2017's?
Very excited about the Express Orange Team this year. The core of the team is very strong and athletic . The rest of the team really understand their roles and do them well. This team can play at a very high speed. It took MC a while to find the right mix of kids, but he definitely has it. Several of these kids will be starting on good varsity teams this year.
Right mix of kids? You can tell this already? Wow, you must be some lax guru! Can you coach my kid? I'm so jealous
has all the maverick showtime invitations went out for 2017's?
got mine about 3 weeks ago, but more might go out if kids don't register.
Very excited about the Express Orange Team this year. The core of the team is very strong and athletic . The rest of the team really understand their roles and do them well. This team can play at a very high speed. It took MC a while to find the right mix of kids, but he definitely has it. Several of these kids will be starting on good varsity teams this year.
Right mix of kids? You can tell this already? Wow, you must be some lax guru! Can you coach my kid? I'm so jealous
My favorite part of the post is "The core of the team is very strong and athletic . The rest of the team really understand their roles and do them well." You know this from what, one practice? And what are the "roles" of the "non core" players? Maybe they carry your son's bag and wash your car in the parking lot? Jackwagon.
That's right keep giving express your MONEY!
Very excited about the Express Orange Team this year. The core of the team is very strong and athletic . The rest of the team really understand their roles and do them well. This team can play at a very high speed. It took MC a while to find the right mix of kids, but he definitely has it. Several of these kids will be starting on good varsity teams this year.
Right mix of kids? You can tell this already? Wow, you must be some lax guru! Can you coach my kid? I'm so jealous
My favorite part of the post is "The core of the team is very strong and athletic . The rest of the team really understand their roles and do them well." You know this from what, one practice? And what are the "roles" of the "non core" players? Maybe they carry your son's bag and wash your car in the parking lot? Jackwagon.
Real simple to tell who the stronger players in 2017 on LI are, these are H.S. freshman. Just look at the ones getting invites to the better showcases and already on the map with several colleges. You don't NEED one practice to see that.
Very excited about the Express Orange Team this year. The core of the team is very strong and athletic . The rest of the team really understand their roles and do them well. This team can play at a very high speed. It took MC a while to find the right mix of kids, but he definitely has it. Several of these kids will be starting on good varsity teams this year.
Right mix of kids? You can tell this already? Wow, you must be some lax guru! Can you coach my kid? I'm so jealous
My favorite part of the post is "The core of the team is very strong and athletic . The rest of the team really understand their roles and do them well." You know this from what, one practice? And what are the "roles" of the "non core" players? Maybe they carry your son's bag and wash your car in the parking lot? Jackwagon.
Actually I agree with the post, the athletic kids create turnovrs,push the ball and have great lax IQ and the Role Players jobs are to score lots of easy goals off transition which they do very well. That is the whole set up of the team and why they win. My kid is one of the Role Players and gets 2-3 goals a game and is pleased as punch.
Very excited about the Express Orange Team this year. The core of the team is very strong and athletic . The rest of the team really understand their roles and do them well. This team can play at a very high speed. It took MC a while to find the right mix of kids, but he definitely has it. Several of these kids will be starting on good varsity teams this year.
Right mix of kids? You can tell this already? Wow, you must be some lax guru! Can you coach my kid? I'm so jealous
My favorite part of the post is "The core of the team is very strong and athletic . The rest of the team really understand their roles and do them well." You know this from what, one practice? And what are the "roles" of the "non core" players? Maybe they carry your son's bag and wash your car in the parking lot? Jackwagon.
Real simple to tell who the stronger players in 2017 on LI are, these are H.S. freshman. Just look at the ones getting invites to the better showcases and already on the map with several colleges. You don't NEED one practice to see that.
75 percent of whom are older kids who were held back or repeating grades! Take a closer look you're going to be really surprised on what you find.
1st 2017 commit to UNC. NOT a Turtle, guess that settles that!
1st 2017 commit to UNC. NOT a Turtle, guess that settles that!
haha, correct!
1st 2017 commit to UNC. NOT a Turtle, guess that settles that!
what team is he from? 91 or turtles?
which high school/club team/position?
Congrats to him. awesome player. Well desrved.
which high school/club team/position?
Bronxville H.S./Express Orange (team was called terps black)/middie
Congrats to him. awesome player. Well desrved.
Express player...... Go NY! last year first was to Virginia from MD prep school.
Congrats to him. awesome player. Well desrved.
Great player...but a true 15 going on 16 yrs old.
Had to happen as predicted.
1st 2017 commit to UNC. NOT a Turtle, guess that settles that!
Actually; you could be a little wrong....two unpublished commits prior to this. As of last week.
So that was NOT settled. Not by a long shot.
Who was the first commit from LI last year (2016) anyone know?
1st 2017 commit to UNC. NOT a Turtle, guess that settles that!
Actually; you could be a little wrong....two unpublished commits prior to this. As of last week.
So that was NOT settled. Not by a long shot.
More turtle lies. Cant except that a non turtle BUT terps black player has committed first? Grow up.
1st 2017 commit to UNC. NOT a Turtle, guess that settles that!
Actually; you could be a little wrong....two unpublished commits prior to this. As of last week.
So that was NOT settled. Not by a long shot.
More turtle lies. Cant except that a non turtle BUT terps black player has committed first? Grow up.
who cares? how do the turtles get pulled into all these conversations? If your going to be the first commit to announce I hope you have thick enough skin to deal with all the criticism it comes with.
There should be no criticism, only congratulations.
1st 2017 commit to UNC. NOT a Turtle, guess that settles that!
Actually; you could be a little wrong....two unpublished commits prior to this. As of last week.
So that was NOT settled. Not by a long shot.
More turtle lies. Cant except that a non turtle BUT terps black player has committed first? Grow up.
It's accept not except. Maybe you should consider educating yourself before the masses
There should be no criticism, only congratulations.
agreed
Congrats to him. awesome player. Well desrved.
Great player...but a true 15 going on 16 yrs old.
Had to happen as predicted.
Every one who knows this kid knows that he is one of the hardest workers on the Island lacrosse scene. Congrats to him , it is actually nice to see a kid who plays within a team concept getting recognized.
There should be no criticism, only congratulations.
I agree kudos are well earned and it is great he is from Long Island and Not Maryland.
1st 2017 commit to UNC. NOT a Turtle, guess that settles that!
Actually; you could be a little wrong....two unpublished commits prior to this. As of last week.
So that was NOT settled. Not by a long shot.
More turtle lies. Cant except that a non turtle BUT terps black player has committed first? Grow up.
who cares? how do the turtles get pulled into all these conversations? If your going to be the first commit to announce I hope you have thick enough skin to deal with all the criticism it comes with.
Stated by a turtle parent in a past post that they would be the first to commit, that's who seems to care the most, I just thought it was ironic!
Congrats to him. awesome player. Well desrved.
Great player...but a true 15 going on 16 yrs old.
Had to happen as predicted.
Older player for the year. No surprise. Bronxville HS. Which likely means his family can pay for whatever school took him early (perhaps an ivy, but if it is a non-ivy school that grants athletic scholarships then they probably did not have to use any of it for this player).
Hey, good for them. I don't really like how the system works in favor of kids who are held back, but this is the system and it isn't changing. I hope he makes the most out of this opportunity.
Congrats to him. awesome player. Well desrved.
Great player...but a true 15 going on 16 yrs old.
Had to happen as predicted.
Congrats to him, very good player. But what about all the whinning from LI Express parents about playing against older kids. A 2017 who is almost 16? Please.
There should be no criticism, only congratulations.
I agree kudos are well earned and it is great he is from Long Island and Not Maryland.
I'm sorry, is Bronxville on Long Island?
The kid is a westchester kid. LI crazies need to understand its not all about them. Look at 2015 and 2014 college commits on the PrimeTime website or the Westchester Predators site. Wish this amazing kid played club in Westchester so all the LI folks wouldn't try to claim his as their own!
Who was the first commit from LI last year (2016) anyone know?
I believe it was a Smithtown east kid who plays for Team LI
The kid is a westchester kid. LI crazies need to understand its not all about them. Look at 2015 and 2014 college commits on the PrimeTime website or the Westchester Predators site. Wish this amazing kid played club in Westchester so all the LI folks wouldn't try to claim his as their own!
wonder why this kid plays for a LI club when he has Pedators and Primetime? Seems strange, unless we agree that Express is a surperior program, and worth the 2 hr+ commute. He may be "from" bronxville but trained on LI.
The kid is a westchester kid. LI crazies need to understand its not all about them. Look at 2015 and 2014 college commits on the PrimeTime website or the Westchester Predators site. Wish this amazing kid played club in Westchester so all the LI folks wouldn't try to claim his as their own!
You could wish all you want it isn't happening! There its a reason he DIDNT PLAY where you reside. Do you even realize how long this player has played for Long Island Express? He and his family have been very committed folks commuting back and fourth from Bronxville to LI for years!
And there are many more Long Island 2017's that will commit sooner rather than later because of the talent level here with the top 4 or 5 from each top team here (Express Orange, Turtles, 91 and fl$) it will be exciting to watch.
The kid is a westchester kid. LI crazies need to understand its not all about them. Look at 2015 and 2014 college commits on the PrimeTime website or the Westchester Predators site. Wish this amazing kid played club in Westchester so all the LI folks wouldn't try to claim his as their own!
wonder why this kid plays for a LI club when he has Pedators and Primetime? Seems strange, unless we agree that Express is a surperior program, and worth the 2 hr+ commute. He may be "from" bronxville but trained on LI.
Exactly. And isn't he a Terp Black now ORANGE player? Haven't several of you called his team a "B team" over the past year or so on this board? Many more to come from this talented motivated group.
Very excited about the Express Orange Team this year. The core of the team is very strong and athletic . The rest of the team really understand their roles and do them well. This team can play at a very high speed. It took MC a while to find the right mix of kids, but he definitely has it. Several of these kids will be starting on good varsity teams this year.
Right mix of kids? You can tell this already? Wow, you must be some lax guru! Can you coach my kid? I'm so jealous
My favorite part of the post is "The core of the team is very strong and athletic . The rest of the team really understand their roles and do them well." You know this from what, one practice? And what are the "roles" of the "non core" players? Maybe they carry your son's bag and wash your car in the parking lot? Jackwagon.
Actually I agree with the post, the athletic kids create turnovrs,push the ball and have great lax IQ and the Role Players jobs are to score lots of easy goals off transition which they do very well. That is the whole set up of the team and why they win. My kid is one of the Role Players and gets 2-3 goals a game and is pleased as punch.
So how many games have they played since tryouts ended?
Congrats to him. awesome player. Well desrved.
Great player...but a true 15 going on 16 yrs old.
Had to happen as predicted.
Congrats to him, very good player. But what about all the whinning from LI Express parents about playing against older kids. A 2017 who is almost 16? Please.
You need to get over the fact that for many different reasons kids repeat a year. And in the case of 2017's many of those that are referred to as being "old" doesn't necessarily mean they are almost turning 16! In fact, many started high school as 14 and still are 14 and have until Nov 30 to turn 15 to be technically considered repeaters in the state of NY. But besides that, do yourself a favor and check out some top top lax schools and the ages of their freshman - you can find them in their bios. Yea, yea, I know, not fair. But seriously, stop the whining. It's getting old.
The kid is a westchester kid. LI crazies need to understand its not all about them. Look at 2015 and 2014 college commits on the PrimeTime website or the Westchester Predators site. Wish this amazing kid played club in Westchester so all the LI folks wouldn't try to claim his as their own!
wonder why this kid plays for a LI club when he has Pedators and Primetime? Seems strange, unless we agree that Express is a surperior program, and worth the 2 hr+ commute. He may be "from" bronxville but trained on LI.
Exactly. And isn't he a Terp Black now ORANGE player? Haven't several of you called his team a "B team" over the past year or so on this board? Many more to come from this talented motivated group.
As a player, I like playing with him because he passes me the ball a lot and makes me look good. I am so happy for him.
Congrats to him. awesome player. Well desrved.
Great player...but a true 15 going on 16 yrs old.
Had to happen as predicted.
Congrats to him, very good player. But what about all the whinning from LI Express parents about playing against older kids. A 2017 who is almost 16? Please.
the kid is not almost 16, and he is one of the smaller players on the team. He worked his butt off for years. You can't get the kind of stick or athleticism this kid has just through maturation. Also all the kids like playing with him because he distributes the ball and does the dirty work.
Congrats to him. awesome player. Well desrved.
Great player...but a true 15 going on 16 yrs old.
Had to happen as predicted.
Congrats to him, very good player. But what about all the whinning from LI Express parents about playing against older kids. A 2017 who is almost 16? Please.
You need to get over the fact that for many different reasons kids repeat a year. And in the case of 2017's many of those that are referred to as being "old" doesn't necessarily mean they are almost turning 16! In fact, many started high school as 14 and still are 14 and have until Nov 30 to turn 15 to be technically considered repeaters in the state of NY. But besides that, do yourself a favor and check out some top top lax schools and the ages of their freshman - you can find them in their bios. Yea, yea, I know, not fair. But seriously, stop the whining. It's getting old.
I dont think its whining, I think its a fact. The fact is the kid is 15 going on 16. Doesnt take away the fact that hes a good player and deserves to be where he is, but he is an older kid for the age group and by rights should be playing at the 2016 age group where he belongs. He was held back specifically for athletic and academic reasons, plain and simple. Congratulations to him and I wish him luck, the kid is a good player and a hard worker. A lot of kids are entering college at 19 now, so it seems to be the growing trend. Hold backs, repeat years and PG years are almost mandatory now if you want your kid to play at the next level.
Congrats to him. awesome player. Well desrved.
Great player...but a true 15 going on 16 yrs old.
Had to happen as predicted.
Congrats to him, very good player. But what about all the whinning from LI Express parents about playing against older kids. A 2017 who is almost 16? Please.
You need to get over the fact that for many different reasons kids repeat a year. And in the case of 2017's many of those that are referred to as being "old" doesn't necessarily mean they are almost turning 16! In fact, many started high school as 14 and still are 14 and have until Nov 30 to turn 15 to be technically considered repeaters in the state of NY. But besides that, do yourself a favor and check out some top top lax schools and the ages of their freshman - you can find them in their bios. Yea, yea, I know, not fair. But seriously, stop the whining. It's getting old.
Don't you people get it? Colleges don't care how old the kid is. It goes strictly by graduating year, yes it puts some kids who are the traditional age for their grade a disadvantage. But the older kids are NOT breaking any rules. It was their parents choice for whatever reason, you could have done it too, so stop crying and man up. The prep school model has it all well planned and executed, thats why roughly 80%+ of top 20 D1 rosters are made up of prep school kids! Most "regular" kids have many more obstacles to over come than most of us first timers ever thought.
Congrats to him. awesome player. Well desrved.
Great player...but a true 15 going on 16 yrs old.
Had to happen as predicted.
Congrats to him, very good player. But what about all the whinning from LI Express parents about playing against older kids. A 2017 who is almost 16? Please.
You need to get over the fact that for many different reasons kids repeat a year. And in the case of 2017's many of those that are referred to as being "old" doesn't necessarily mean they are almost turning 16! In fact, many started high school as 14 and still are 14 and have until Nov 30 to turn 15 to be technically considered repeaters in the state of NY. But besides that, do yourself a favor and check out some top top lax schools and the ages of their freshman - you can find them in their bios. Yea, yea, I know, not fair. But seriously, stop the whining. It's getting old.
I dont think its whining, I think its a fact. The fact is the kid is 15 going on 16. Doesnt take away the fact that hes a good player and deserves to be where he is, but he is an older kid for the age group and by rights should be playing at the 2016 age group where he belongs. He was held back specifically for athletic and academic reasons, plain and simple. Congratulations to him and I wish him luck, the kid is a good player and a hard worker. A lot of kids are entering college at 19 now, so it seems to be the growing trend. Hold backs, repeat years and PG years are almost mandatory now if you want your kid to play at the next level.
Thanks. This was my point above that the guy tried to blow off and said stop whinning. This kid deserves it by all accounts. I agree with the above and my point was that LI Express parents on here have repeatedly whinned about playing/losing to Maryland-based teams that only have older kids. This kid fits into that category plain and simple.
Congrats to him. awesome player. Well desrved.
Great player...but a true 15 going on 16 yrs old.
Had to happen as predicted.
Congrats to him, very good player. But what about all the whinning from LI Express parents about playing against older kids. A 2017 who is almost 16? Please.
You need to get over the fact that for many different reasons kids repeat a year. And in the case of 2017's many of those that are referred to as being "old" doesn't necessarily mean they are almost turning 16! In fact, many started high school as 14 and still are 14 and have until Nov 30 to turn 15 to be technically considered repeaters in the state of NY. But besides that, do yourself a favor and check out some top top lax schools and the ages of their freshman - you can find them in their bios. Yea, yea, I know, not fair. But seriously, stop the whining. It's getting old.
Don't you people get it? Colleges don't care how old the kid is. It goes strictly by graduating year, yes it puts some kids who are the traditional age for their grade a disadvantage. But the older kids are NOT breaking any rules. It was their parents choice for whatever reason, you could have done it too, so stop crying and man up. The prep school model has it all well planned and executed, thats why roughly 80%+ of top 20 D1 rosters are made up of prep school kids! Most "regular" kids have many more obstacles to over come than most of us first timers ever thought.
Best post on the subject yet! My son is a late 1999 birthday and I am actually kicking myself that I didnt hold him back. It looks like a PG year will be in his future. Live and learn.
Congrats to him. awesome player. Well desrved.
Great player...but a true 15 going on 16 yrs old.
Had to happen as predicted.
Congrats to him, very good player. But what about all the whinning from LI Express parents about playing against older kids. A 2017 who is almost 16? Please.
You need to get over the fact that for many different reasons kids repeat a year. And in the case of 2017's many of those that are referred to as being "old" doesn't necessarily mean they are almost turning 16! In fact, many started high school as 14 and still are 14 and have until Nov 30 to turn 15 to be technically considered repeaters in the state of NY. But besides that, do yourself a favor and check out some top top lax schools and the ages of their freshman - you can find them in their bios. Yea, yea, I know, not fair. But seriously, stop the whining. It's getting old.
Don't you people get it? Colleges don't care how old the kid is. It goes strictly by graduating year, yes it puts some kids who are the traditional age for their grade a disadvantage. But the older kids are NOT breaking any rules. It was their parents choice for whatever reason, you could have done it too, so stop crying and man up. The prep school model has it all well planned and executed, thats why roughly 80%+ of top 20 D1 rosters are made up of prep school kids! Most "regular" kids have many more obstacles to over come than most of us first timers ever thought.
Best post on the subject yet! My son is a late 1999 birthday and I am actually kicking myself that I didnt hold him back. It looks like a PG year will be in his future. Live and learn.
We did the same thing with our daughter, and I'm starting to regret it too! What's a PG year? Prep school, or Jr college?
Cut the "...you people don't get it.." bit. They do. Yes the players who have potential are entering college as older Freshman, College coaches like it, why wouldn't they, the players come in older stronger faster smarter.
I have a 7th grader, if I held him back a year in 3rd then he would currently be in 6th. He would for sure be playing 91 crush (the best 2020 team in the country - the only part not sarcasm) and be getting noticed @ close to 5'7 150 (bigger than some HS freshman). I'd also probably joke with him and let him drive into the parking-lots of the tournaments so people could talk (because that is us). and you know Id probably also complain if he didn't get pulled up to play JV or varsity.
But back to the PG/held-back conversation, it is the reality and many are doing it. Quite honestly I would not be surprised if I explored the option for 8th or 9th grade. But I would not only being do it for athletic reasons but academics.
Now can someone lay out how you did it? How does it work if you want to first go to STM LUHI STJ Friends STA then Chaminade (or visa versa)
If someone would outline that then I would think this site is helpful.
Congrats to him. awesome player. Well desrved.
Great player...but a true 15 going on 16 yrs old.
Had to happen as predicted.
Congrats to him, very good player. But what about all the whinning from LI Express parents about playing against older kids. A 2017 who is almost 16? Please.
You need to get over the fact that for many different reasons kids repeat a year. And in the case of 2017's many of those that are referred to as being "old" doesn't necessarily mean they are almost turning 16! In fact, many started high school as 14 and still are 14 and have until Nov 30 to turn 15 to be technically considered repeaters in the state of NY. But besides that, do yourself a favor and check out some top top lax schools and the ages of their freshman - you can find them in their bios. Yea, yea, I know, not fair. But seriously, stop the whining. It's getting old.
Don't you people get it? Colleges don't care how old the kid is. It goes strictly by graduating year, yes it puts some kids who are the traditional age for their grade a disadvantage. But the older kids are NOT breaking any rules. It was their parents choice for whatever reason, you could have done it too, so stop crying and man up. The prep school model has it all well planned and executed, thats why roughly 80%+ of top 20 D1 rosters are made up of prep school kids! Most "regular" kids have many more obstacles to over come than most of us first timers ever thought.
Jr college will take away your years of eligibility for the years you play. PG is prep school. Not sure How the LI Catholic's position themselves on this.
The kid is a westchester kid. LI crazies need to understand its not all about them. Look at 2015 and 2014 college commits on the PrimeTime website or the Westchester Predators site. Wish this amazing kid played club in Westchester so all the LI folks wouldn't try to claim his as their own!
wonder why this kid plays for a LI club when he has Pedators and Primetime? Seems strange, unless we agree that Express is a surperior program, and worth the 2 hr+ commute. He may be "from" bronxville but trained on LI.
The Predators only started last year with the 2017 age group. The 2014 age group existed for only a couple of years and the Predators helped get a lot of their kids recruited. If the Predators had existed four or five years ago when this kid began his career things may have worked out differently. The fact that this kid plays with the express has more to do with past decisions when the Predators option didn't exist for him. It doesn't mean the Express program is superior.
So how does a PG year work ? Instead of being recruited as a 2017 and committing as a soph / junior he/she will wait until 2018 when they are in a PG school to try and commit ? Will there be spots available or do you committ as a 2018 when your a junior for 2017?
Congrats to him. awesome player. Well desrved.
Express player...... Go NY! last year first was to Virginia from MD prep school.
Wasn't the 1st 2016 a PA kid who committed to Hopkins? - need to give credit where it is due!
The kid is a westchester kid. LI crazies need to understand its not all about them. Look at 2015 and 2014 college commits on the PrimeTime website or the Westchester Predators site. Wish this amazing kid played club in Westchester so all the LI folks wouldn't try to claim his as their own!
wonder why this kid plays for a LI club when he has Pedators and Primetime? Seems strange, unless we agree that Express is a surperior program, and worth the 2 hr+ commute. He may be "from" bronxville but trained on LI.
The Predators only started last year with the 2017 age group. The 2014 age group existed for only a couple of years and the Predators helped get a lot of their kids recruited. If the Predators had existed four or five years ago when this kid began his career things may have worked out differently. The fact that this kid plays with the express has more to do with past decisions when the Predators option didn't exist for him. It doesn't mean the Express program is superior.
Sad that Lacrosse has come down to all this, and there is nothing that can be done to stop it. Does this nonsence go on in football and basketball as well?
So how does a PG year work ? Instead of being recruited as a 2017 and committing as a soph / junior he/she will wait until 2018 when they are in a PG school to try and commit ? Will there be spots available or do you committ as a 2018 when your a junior for 2017?
Most times if a college is interested in you but their recruiting year is full for that year, they will commit to your kid for the following year and suggest you do a year at a Prep school. So technically youll be committed but it will be a year delayed and with the condition that you go to a prep school.
So how does a PG year work ? Instead of being recruited as a 2017 and committing as a soph / junior he/she will wait until 2018 when they are in a PG school to try and commit ? Will there be spots available or do you committ as a 2018 when your a junior for 2017?
Most times if a college is interested in you but their recruiting year is full for that year, they will commit to your kid for the following year and suggest you do a year at a Prep school. So technically youll be committed but it will be a year delayed and with the condition that you go to a prep school.
and drop $35,000 - $45,000 for that PG year.
The kid is a westchester kid. LI crazies need to understand its not all about them. Look at 2015 and 2014 college commits on the PrimeTime website or the Westchester Predators site. Wish this amazing kid played club in Westchester so all the LI folks wouldn't try to claim his as their own!
wonder why this kid plays for a LI club when he has Pedators and Primetime? Seems strange, unless we agree that Express is a surperior program, and worth the 2 hr+ commute. He may be "from" bronxville but trained on LI.
Exactly. And isn't he a Terp Black now ORANGE player? Haven't several of you called his team a "B team" over the past year or so on this board? Many more to come from this talented motivated group.
Are you people actually going to do this again? Did you not learn anything from last year? Just shut your mouths & let you SONS play lacrosse! You are seriously going to come on this site & pound your chest that your sons team is the best because a kid on his team was the first to sign? You do understand the recruiting process, correct? The parents had to make the contact first & if that was their choice (& apparently it was a good one) good for them. It has nothing to do with you, your sons team, or the fact that he lives in Westchester or LI. The next couple of years are going to be very exciting for a lot of these kids, good luck to them all! Please let us NOT have to listen to your insecure ranting's for the next 6 months!!!
How are Jesters 2017 looking this year?
How are Jesters 2017 looking this year?
Looking like clowns with those uniforms. But seriously, how would anyone know when tryouts just ended? You'll get the "they look like they upgrade a lot" from those on the team, which means nothing.
How are Jesters 2017 looking this year?
Looking like clowns with those uniforms. But seriously, how would anyone know when tryouts just ended? You'll get the "they look like they upgrade a lot" from those on the team, which means nothing.
Looks like they upgraded a lot and they have clown uniforms. Happy now?
How are Jesters 2017 looking this year?
Looking like clowns with those uniforms. But seriously, how would anyone know when tryouts just ended? You'll get the "they look like they upgrade a lot" from those on the team, which means nothing.
Did invites go out for the Jesters yet?
Congrats to him. awesome player. Well desrved.
Express player...... Go NY! last year first was to Virginia from MD prep school.
Wasn't the 1st 2016 a PA kid who committed to Hopkins? - need to give credit where it is due!
Last years first was a MD prep school f/o kid to Virginia. The fist LI kid from 2016 was also a f/o kid to Penn state. Both are listed in top 60 sophomore ranking in IL.
Congrats to him. awesome player. Well desrved.
Express player...... Go NY! last year first was to Virginia from MD prep school.
Wasn't the 1st 2016 a PA kid who committed to Hopkins? - need to give credit where it is due!
Technically it was a penn state kid who had to do a yr of PG
The press covered the 1st freshman to ever commit as the PA kid going to JHU
1st freshman commit article Congrats to him. awesome player. Well desrved.
Express player...... Go NY! last year first was to Virginia from MD prep school.
Wasn't the 1st 2016 a PA kid who committed to Hopkins? - need to give credit where it is due!
Last years first was a MD prep school f/o kid to Virginia. The fist LI kid from 2016 was also a f/o kid to Penn state. Both are listed in top 60 sophomore ranking in IL.
Here is an IL article about the first 2017 to commit. Clearly states that the first 2 2017 commits have already turned 15 earlier this year.
http://www.insidelacrosse.com/news/...unc-flood-gates-open-class-2017-recruits
You people up in Long Island are obsessed with age. We have played against this kid many times down here in Maryland. What makes him an excellent player is not his age , it is that he has an MIAA style game with an incredible stick. It took that kid years of hard work to get that. It is not something that magically happens when you turn 15.
You people up in Long Island are obsessed with age. We have played against this kid many times down here in Maryland. What makes him an excellent player is not his age , it is that he has an MIAA style game with an incredible stick. It took that kid years of hard work to get that. It is not something that magically happens when you turn 15.
The difference is a great 15 year old 2017 player would normally be a good 15 year old 2016 player!
Congrats to him. awesome player. Well desrved.
Express player...... Go NY! last year first was to Virginia from MD prep school.
Wasn't the 1st 2016 a PA kid who committed to Hopkins? - need to give credit where it is due!
Last years first was a MD prep school f/o kid to Virginia. The fist LI kid from 2016 was also a f/o kid to Penn state. Both are listed in top 60 sophomore ranking in IL.
Wrong. Forrey Smith was the first to commit last year (Hopkins). Sam Offut committed afterwards to UVA (and there was at least one kid who committed between them.
Since when is Bronxville on Long Island? Perhaps our southern friends need a geography lesson. If anyone is obsessed it's you, with a certain island.
The article refers to the player as "with his commitment became the youngest player to ever commit to play college lacrosse." The article also mentions he is already 15 (a year older than the typical 2017 - age appropriate for 2016)
Whereas he is the earliest academically (three weeks into Freshman year) I do not think he is the youngest. Surely at least one of the 2016s who have committed were not kindergarten red-shirts.
You people up in Long Island are obsessed with age. We have played against this kid many times down here in Maryland. What makes him an excellent player is not his age , it is that he has an MIAA style game with an incredible stick. It took that kid years of hard work to get that. It is not something that magically happens when you turn 15.
The difference is a great 15 year old 2017 player would normally be a good 15 year old 2016 player!
Congrats to him. awesome player. Well desrved.
Express player...... Go NY! last year first was to Virginia from MD prep school.
Wasn't the 1st 2016 a PA kid who committed to Hopkins? - need to give credit where it is due!
Last years first was a MD prep school f/o kid to Virginia. The fist LI kid from 2016 was also a f/o kid to Penn state. Both are listed in top 60 sophomore ranking in IL.
Wrong. Forrey Smith was the first to commit last year (Hopkins). Sam Offut committed afterwards to UVA (and there was at least one kid who committed between them.
I stand corrected! Thought I remembered reading an article about Sam being first, but I guess I was mistaken, Was I right about the first LI 2016?
Since when is Bronxville on Long Island? Perhaps our southern friends need a geography lesson. If anyone is obsessed it's you, with a certain island.
Its his exposure through LI Express I think the poster was referring to in the LI connection. While Bronxville has a good team, im sure the training received from his club added to the recipe...
You people up in Long Island are obsessed with age. We have played against this kid many times down here in Maryland. What makes him an excellent player is not his age , it is that he has an MIAA style game with an incredible stick. It took that kid years of hard work to get that. It is not something that magically happens when you turn 15.
What magically happens when you turn 15 is youre bigger, stronger and faster than the 13 and 14 year olds your playing against so you look like a much better player than you really are. Get it?
You people up in Long Island are obsessed with age. We have played against this kid many times down here in Maryland. What makes him an excellent player is not his age , it is that he has an MIAA style game with an incredible stick. It took that kid years of hard work to get that. It is not something that magically happens when you turn 15. [/quote]
What magically happens when you turn 15 is youre bigger, stronger and faster than the 13 and 14 year olds your playing against so you look like a much better player than you really are. Get it?
You people down in MD are obsessed with manipulating the system to your advantage. I have to agree with the previous poster that a year makes a huge difference at 15, boys change dramatically from year to year at that age. An extra year of growth is huge, esspecially if you have the skill set to back it up! The % of kids older than the average for their school year being recruited early is proof, statistically significant. Lets call it what it is.....UNFAIR advantage!!
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What magically happens when you turn 15 is youre bigger, stronger and faster than the 13 and 14 year olds your playing against so you look like a much better player than you really are. Get it?
And don't forget you're a year more mentally advanced which helps on the field.
You people up in Long Island are obsessed with age. We have played against this kid many times down here in Maryland. What makes him an excellent player is not his age , it is that he has an MIAA style game with an incredible stick. It took that kid years of hard work to get that. It is not something that magically happens when you turn 15.
What magically happens when you turn 15 is youre bigger, stronger and faster than the 13 and 14 year olds your playing against so you look like a much better player than you really are. Get it?
You people down in MD are obsessed with manipulating the system to your advantage. I have to agree with the previous poster that a year makes a huge difference at 15, boys change dramatically from year to year at that age. An extra year of growth is huge, esspecially if you have the skill set to back it up! The % of kids older than the average for their school year being recruited early is proof, statistically significant. Lets call it what it is.....UNFAIR advantage!!
Just to put a fine point on it - Jake Reed said 82 out of the 120 kids at this summer's Jake Reed Rising Freshman Camp (2017s) were a year older than what a typical 2017s age would imply. My son was there and is normal age, but I must be the idiot as so many kids are being held back.
That's why Lax is a rich mans sport. Not all of us can afford to hold our kids back and pay for extra years of school. My son who is a Varsity player headed to D1 is already saying that when he has kids, he will hold them back. Sad! If I could do all over again, I would hold my boys back a year from kindergarten. That seems like the best time to do it. I guess I never got the memo!
That's why Lax is a rich mans sport. Not all of us can afford to hold our kids back and pay for extra years of school. My son who is a Varsity player headed to D1 is already saying that when he has kids, he will hold them back. Sad! If I could do all over again, I would hold my boys back a year from kindergarten. That seems like the best time to do it. I guess I never got the memo!
That's funny my 9th grade son also says if he ever has kids he will hold them back. He says the best 2 players on his team are almost 2 years older than him but in the same grade.
What magically happens when you turn 15 is youre bigger, stronger and faster than the 13 and 14 year olds your playing against so you look like a much better player than you really are. Get it?
And don't forget you're a year more mentally advanced which helps on the field.
When I was 14 I weighed 124 lbs. One year later I hit a growth spurt and grew 3-4 inches and put on almost 40 pounds. It's a big difference.
You people up in Long Island are obsessed with age. We have played against this kid many times down here in Maryland. What makes him an excellent player is not his age , it is that he has an MIAA style game with an incredible stick. It took that kid years of hard work to get that. It is not something that magically happens when you turn 15.
What magically happens when you turn 15 is youre bigger, stronger and faster than the 13 and 14 year olds your playing against so you look like a much better player than you really are. Get it?
You people down in MD are obsessed with manipulating the system to your advantage. I have to agree with the previous poster that a year makes a huge difference at 15, boys change dramatically from year to year at that age. An extra year of growth is huge, esspecially if you have the skill set to back it up! The % of kids older than the average for their school year being recruited early is proof, statistically significant. Lets call it what it is.....UNFAIR advantage!!
Just to put a fine point on it - Jake Reed said 82 out of the 120 kids at this summer's Jake Reed Rising Freshman Camp (2017s) were a year older than what a typical 2017s age would imply. My son was there and is normal age, but I must be the idiot as so many kids are being held back.
For those of you who are mathematically challenged in MD and PA, that's nearly 70 PERCENT of all the kids that made Jake Reed were a year or more older. Really? That is so shocking. I can't imagine that a year or more of physical maturity would make a difference in athletics. What are the chances?
When will respected people in this sport step up and right this disgraceful wrong??? I challenge folks like Reed and others to stop fueling this sitation and go to an age based system for their camps. This way, everyone is on an even playing field. Additionally, college coaches will actually get a better representation of the players abilities are against competition their own age. A win-win for everyone. I further challenge US Lacrosse and tournament organizers to enforce strict age rules. Further, LI clubs should band together and keep our teams away from tournaments that do not go by these rules. When you cut off the cash flow, you'll get people's attention. Also, parents, demand from your teams that they only play verified age based tournaments. Those teams that want to play up, should obviously be free to do so. This has got to be stopped. NO OTHER SPORT OPERATES LIKE THIS!
I'm so happy I don't have a son in the class of 2017. You people are sick!
ok: so to move this commitment discussion forward; our true 14 yo has a legit offer on the table to take if he wants to a D1 school.
we are not so comfortable with the concept as what is to stop a school from taking the offer back on a purely verbal agreement if the kid blows out a knee or some other unfortunate situation in the interim?
Then of course there are the stringent academic requirements of this particular institution. So if one takes the offer and commits, and does not meet the prerequisite conditions; will that same kid be able to take other offers later on down the road to other schools if they come available?
thanks for any insight from those who may have been there
You people up in Long Island are obsessed with age. We have played against this kid many times down here in Maryland. What makes him an excellent player is not his age , it is that he has an MIAA style game with an incredible stick. It took that kid years of hard work to get that. It is not something that magically happens when you turn 15.
What magically happens when you turn 15 is youre bigger, stronger and faster than the 13 and 14 year olds your playing against so you look like a much better player than you really are. Get it?
You people down in MD are obsessed with manipulating the system to your advantage. I have to agree with the previous poster that a year makes a huge difference at 15, boys change dramatically from year to year at that age. An extra year of growth is huge, esspecially if you have the skill set to back it up! The % of kids older than the average for their school year being recruited early is proof, statistically significant. Lets call it what it is.....UNFAIR advantage!!
Just to put a fine point on it - Jake Reed said 82 out of the 120 kids at this summer's Jake Reed Rising Freshman Camp (2017s) were a year older than what a typical 2017s age would imply. My son was there and is normal age, but I must be the idiot as so many kids are being held back.
For those of you who are mathematically challenged in MD and PA, that's nearly 70 PERCENT of all the kids that made Jake Reed were a year or more older. Really? That is so shocking. I can't imagine that a year or more of physical maturity would make a difference in athletics. What are the chances?
When will respected people in this sport step up and right this disgraceful wrong??? I challenge folks like Reed and others to stop fueling this sitation and go to an age based system for their camps. This way, everyone is on an even playing field. Additionally, college coaches will actually get a better representation of the players abilities are against competition their own age. A win-win for everyone. I further challenge US Lacrosse and tournament organizers to enforce strict age rules. Further, LI clubs should band together and keep our teams away from tournaments that do not go by these rules. When you cut off the cash flow, you'll get people's attention. Also, parents, demand from your teams that they only play verified age based tournaments. Those teams that want to play up, should obviously be free to do so. This has got to be stopped. NO OTHER SPORT OPERATES LIKE THIS!
Well said, but doubt it will happen, too far gone
ok: so to move this commitment discussion forward; our true 14 yo has a legit offer on the table to take if he wants to a D1 school.
we are not so comfortable with the concept as what is to stop a school from taking the offer back on a purely verbal agreement if the kid blows out a knee or some other unfortunate situation in the interim?
Injuries, academic ineligibility, unbecoming conduct, and inability to perform are all elements that could result in an early verbal offer being withdrawn. College coaches do NOT want to gain a reputation for rescinding offers as that will impact the effectiveness of their future recruiting efforts. That said, athletic scholarships in lacrosse will not be wasted on student-athletes that cannot play.
Then of course there are the stringent academic requirements of this particular institution. So if one takes the offer and commits, and does not meet the prerequisite conditions; will that same kid be able to take other offers later on down the road to other schools if they come available?
Schools that have extended a verbal offer to an athlete will almost always prequalify the applicant during their junior year, require a formal application during the early admissions process, and issue what is known as a "likely letter" should any academic eligibility components still be missing. If your student-athlete is not clearing the admissions bar, you will know it earlier rather than later. You should (repeat, should) have time in the later half of junior year and early senior year to make needed adjustments although athletic scholarship money will almost certainly have been allocated.
thanks for any insight from those who may have been there
Please feel free to share any additional details as needed.
I'm so happy I don't have a son in the class of 2017. You people are sick!
Then get the [lacrosse] off of this forum and stop looking at it!!!
I'm so happy I don't have a son in the class of 2017. You people are sick!
So why are you trolling this forum sicko?
You people up in Long Island are obsessed with age. We have played against this kid many times down here in Maryland. What makes him an excellent player is not his age , it is that he has an MIAA style game with an incredible stick. It took that kid years of hard work to get that. It is not something that magically happens when you turn 15.
What magically happens when you turn 15 is youre bigger, stronger and faster than the 13 and 14 year olds your playing against so you look like a much better player than you really are. Get it?
You people down in MD are obsessed with manipulating the system to your advantage. I have to agree with the previous poster that a year makes a huge difference at 15, boys change dramatically from year to year at that age. An extra year of growth is huge, esspecially if you have the skill set to back it up! The % of kids older than the average for their school year being recruited early is proof, statistically significant. Lets call it what it is.....UNFAIR advantage!!
Just to put a fine point on it - Jake Reed said 82 out of the 120 kids at this summer's Jake Reed Rising Freshman Camp (2017s) were a year older than what a typical 2017s age would imply. My son was there and is normal age, but I must be the idiot as so many kids are being held back.
For those of you who are mathematically challenged in MD and PA, that's nearly 70 PERCENT of all the kids that made Jake Reed were a year or more older. Really? That is so shocking. I can't imagine that a year or more of physical maturity would make a difference in athletics. What are the chances?
When will respected people in this sport step up and right this disgraceful wrong??? I challenge folks like Reed and others to stop fueling this sitation and go to an age based system for their camps. This way, everyone is on an even playing field. Additionally, college coaches will actually get a better representation of the players abilities are against competition their own age. A win-win for everyone. I further challenge US Lacrosse and tournament organizers to enforce strict age rules. Further, LI clubs should band together and keep our teams away from tournaments that do not go by these rules. When you cut off the cash flow, you'll get people's attention. Also, parents, demand from your teams that they only play verified age based tournaments. Those teams that want to play up, should obviously be free to do so. This has got to be stopped. NO OTHER SPORT OPERATES LIKE THIS!
Team Long Island is age based.
You people up in Long Island are obsessed with age. We have played against this kid many times down here in Maryland. What makes him an excellent player is not his age , it is that he has an MIAA style game with an incredible stick. It took that kid years of hard work to get that. It is not something that magically happens when you turn 15.
What magically happens when you turn 15 is youre bigger, stronger and faster than the 13 and 14 year olds your playing against so you look like a much better player than you really are. Get it?
You people down in MD are obsessed with manipulating the system to your advantage. I have to agree with the previous poster that a year makes a huge difference at 15, boys change dramatically from year to year at that age. An extra year of growth is huge, esspecially if you have the skill set to back it up! The % of kids older than the average for their school year being recruited early is proof, statistically significant. Lets call it what it is.....UNFAIR advantage!!
Just to put a fine point on it - Jake Reed said 82 out of the 120 kids at this summer's Jake Reed Rising Freshman Camp (2017s) were a year older than what a typical 2017s age would imply. My son was there and is normal age, but I must be the idiot as so many kids are being held back.
For those of you who are mathematically challenged in MD and PA, that's nearly 70 PERCENT of all the kids that made Jake Reed were a year or more older. Really? That is so shocking. I can't imagine that a year or more of physical maturity would make a difference in athletics. What are the chances?
When will respected people in this sport step up and right this disgraceful wrong??? I challenge folks like Reed and others to stop fueling this sitation and go to an age based system for their camps. This way, everyone is on an even playing field. Additionally, college coaches will actually get a better representation of the players abilities are against competition their own age. A win-win for everyone. I further challenge US Lacrosse and tournament organizers to enforce strict age rules. Further, LI clubs should band together and keep our teams away from tournaments that do not go by these rules. When you cut off the cash flow, you'll get people's attention. Also, parents, demand from your teams that they only play verified age based tournaments. Those teams that want to play up, should obviously be free to do so. This has got to be stopped. NO OTHER SPORT OPERATES LIKE THIS!
Well said, but doubt it will happen, too far gone
Agreed. I can understand the concept of age based tourneys up to 8th grade. What happens in high school with a hold back or repeater? Lose eligibility year, so academically, one grade, and athletically, another grade? Colleges only really care about the graduation year, not age.
Any one get invited to Jesters 2017 yet?
Regarding the age discrepancies in Lax: Are people sure this kind of thing doesn't happen in football and basketball or even soccer for that matter? I really don't know, but given the advantages, I can't imagine it doesn't happen in those sports too. I just don't know. Can someone shed light on this?
Regarding the age discrepancies in Lax: Are people sure this kind of thing doesn't happen in football and basketball or even soccer for that matter? I really don't know, but given the advantages, I can't imagine it doesn't happen in those sports too. I just don't know. Can someone shed light on this?
In soccer, this does not happen for three reasons.
First, everything from tournaments to leagues to showcases are driven by U-age brackets with hard and fast dates on the age groups.
Second, everything is sanctioned with player passes required; all of the player passes have the player's birthdate which had to be secured along with a copy of the birth certificate.
Third, every tournament event reviews the medical releases and player passes for each team member before allowing the team to participate.
Due to these three scenarios, holding back a player serves no value.
That's interesting, but this is a must see! I remember watching it a while back, ironically it is now becoming a real issue of unfair advantage as far as I'm concerned for my boys, check it out:
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7414212n
Regarding the age discrepancies in Lax: Are people sure this kind of thing doesn't happen in football and basketball or even soccer for that matter? I really don't know, but given the advantages, I can't imagine it doesn't happen in those sports too. I just don't know. Can someone shed light on this?
In soccer, this does not happen for three reasons.
First, everything from tournaments to leagues to showcases are driven by U-age brackets with hard and fast dates on the age groups.
Second, everything is sanctioned with player passes required; all of the player passes have the player's birthdate which had to be secured along with a copy of the birth certificate.
Third, every tournament event reviews the medical releases and player passes for each team member before allowing the team to participate.
Due to these three scenarios, holding back a player serves no value.
Cage, those well established rules certainly make success in soccer more about skill of player, than about uncontrolled variables such as age. I just don't see the system changing in lacrosse. Far to much control of the sport seems to come from prep schools, where most kids are "old" for there grade. And, as stated by several previous posts, the college coaches welcome these older players for their grade with open arms. Do you honestly think it is possible for this to actually change...or just wishful thinking?
You people up in Long Island are obsessed with age. We have played against this kid many times down here in Maryland. What makes him an excellent player is not his age , it is that he has an MIAA style game with an incredible stick. It took that kid years of hard work to get that. It is not something that magically happens when you turn 15.
What magically happens when you turn 15 is youre bigger, stronger and faster than the 13 and 14 year olds your playing against so you look like a much better player than you really are. Get it?
You people down in MD are obsessed with manipulating the system to your advantage. I have to agree with the previous poster that a year makes a huge difference at 15, boys change dramatically from year to year at that age. An extra year of growth is huge, esspecially if you have the skill set to back it up! The % of kids older than the average for their school year being recruited early is proof, statistically significant. Lets call it what it is.....UNFAIR advantage!!
Just to put a fine point on it - Jake Reed said 82 out of the 120 kids at this summer's Jake Reed Rising Freshman Camp (2017s) were a year older than what a typical 2017s age would imply. My son was there and is normal age, but I must be the idiot as so many kids are being held back.
For those of you who are mathematically challenged in MD and PA, that's nearly 70 PERCENT of all the kids that made Jake Reed were a year or more older. Really? That is so shocking. I can't imagine that a year or more of physical maturity would make a difference in athletics. What are the chances?
When will respected people in this sport step up and right this disgraceful wrong??? I challenge folks like Reed and others to stop fueling this sitation and go to an age based system for their camps. This way, everyone is on an even playing field. Additionally, college coaches will actually get a better representation of the players abilities are against competition their own age. A win-win for everyone. I further challenge US Lacrosse and tournament organizers to enforce strict age rules. Further, LI clubs should band together and keep our teams away from tournaments that do not go by these rules. When you cut off the cash flow, you'll get people's attention. Also, parents, demand from your teams that they only play verified age based tournaments. Those teams that want to play up, should obviously be free to do so. This has got to be stopped. NO OTHER SPORT OPERATES LIKE THIS!
Team Long Island is age based.
Kudos to team LI. They are ahead of the curve on this.
Regarding the age discrepancies in Lax: Are people sure this kind of thing doesn't happen in football and basketball or even soccer for that matter? I really don't know, but given the advantages, I can't imagine it doesn't happen in those sports too. I just don't know. Can someone shed light on this?
In soccer, this does not happen for three reasons.
First, everything from tournaments to leagues to showcases are driven by U-age brackets with hard and fast dates on the age groups.
Second, everything is sanctioned with player passes required; all of the player passes have the player's birthdate which had to be secured along with a copy of the birth certificate.
Third, every tournament event reviews the medical releases and player passes for each team member before allowing the team to participate.
Due to these three scenarios, holding back a player serves no value.
Thats how this "loose" sport should be, REAL rules that are enforced!
So lets see, thus far FOUR players in the 2017 class have committed. Two (both UNC) are held back and the other two (UVA & Penn St) are in he 2016 class and will PG once they leave H.S. anyone else sense the patten? These college coach DONT care, its a shame. But how can we blame the coaches, they don't make the rules and they need to win. What are we teaching our kids?
Cage, those well established rules certainly make success in soccer more about skill of player, than about uncontrolled variables such as age. I just don't see the system changing in lacrosse. Far to much control of the sport seems to come from prep schools, where most kids are "old" for there grade. And, as stated by several previous posts, the college coaches welcome these older players for their grade with open arms. Do you honestly think it is possible for this to actually change...or just wishful thinking?
Yes, it is very possible to bring about change. Responsibility for that belongs squarely with US Lacrosse enforcing a national system of tournament sanctioning. Such sanctioning must require a U-age based system and player passes supporting the U-age structure. US Lacrosse has shirked this national responsibility for far too long.
Under such a mandate, college recruiting will fall into line as there would be no other avenue for recruiting.
We could have an extended debate over the value of "PG" years - better known as "13th Grade". Let's just say that such a "PG" practice represents a $30,000-$50,000 expense.
Expecting tournaments to be the sole source of such enforcement is wrong since tournaments are commercial endeavors first and foremost.
its a vitious cycle... if you hold a kid back... everyone is or will be so quick to preface any praise with the... "but he should be in the grade above"...
... and they would be right... just pointing out the inconvenient truth...
it's an unfair advantage... so take be prepared to take on the fall out when you red shirt your eighth grader
Any one get invited to Jesters 2017 yet?
What day did the Jesters say they would send out the invites? Did not here anything yet.
Have Jake Reed Summer 2014 invites for the 2017s started to go out yet? I mean the 120 direct invites for kids who attended last year and got selected based on their performance or got a direct invite from Jake based on coaches/club slots, not kids going to 3D Blue Chip to try and make it. My son got the invite for the Fall Jake Reed event (going to Phiily Showcase instead), but hasn't received a Jake Reed summer invite yet. Hoping to avoid having to go down to Florida for 3D Blue Chip and get the direct invite instead.
For those who have had children attend the Philly Freshman Showcase: What can we expect? What is the schedule? Is it all games? How many on a team? Who are the coaches? How much coaching/instruction is there, if any? Is there food there? Are parents restricted in any way? What's the weather policy? Any advice/info would be helpful. Thanks.
Altough I don't agree, age advantage is not a new concept in sports. From Malcolm Gladwell's Outliers, the NHL statistics point to a proven edge: The result, Gladwell says, is "an iron law of Canadian hockey: in any elite group of hockey players - the very best of the best - 40 per cent of the players will have been born between January and March." Those born in the last quarter of the year might as well just "give up on hockey."
its a vitious cycle... if you hold a kid back... everyone is or will be so quick to preface any praise with the... "but he should be in the grade above"...
... and they would be right... just pointing out the inconvenient truth...
it's an unfair advantage... so take be prepared to take on the fall out when you red shirt your eighth grader
Have Jake Reed Summer 2014 invites for the 2017s started to go out yet? I mean the 120 direct invites for kids who attended last year and got selected based on their performance or got a direct invite from Jake based on coaches/club slots, not kids going to 3D Blue Chip to try and make it. My son got the invite for the Fall Jake Reed event (going to Phiily Showcase instead), but hasn't received a Jake Reed summer invite yet. Hoping to avoid having to go down to Florida for 3D Blue Chip and get the direct invite instead.
Not out yet
Have Jake Reed Summer 2014 invites for the 2017s started to go out yet? I mean the 120 direct invites for kids who attended last year and got selected based on their performance or got a direct invite from Jake based on coaches/club slots, not kids going to 3D Blue Chip to try and make it. My son got the invite for the Fall Jake Reed event (going to Phiily Showcase instead), but hasn't received a Jake Reed summer invite yet. Hoping to avoid having to go down to Florida for 3D Blue Chip and get the direct invite instead.
Not out yet
Thank you for the response.
Any one get invited to Jesters 2017 yet?
What day did the Jesters say they would send out the invites? Did not here anything yet.
Should here very soon?
Have Jake Reed Summer 2014 invites for the 2017s started to go out yet? I mean the 120 direct invites for kids who attended last year and got selected based on their performance or got a direct invite from Jake based on coaches/club slots, not kids going to 3D Blue Chip to try and make it. My son got the invite for the Fall Jake Reed event (going to Phiily Showcase instead), but hasn't received a Jake Reed summer invite yet. Hoping to avoid having to go down to Florida for 3D Blue Chip and get the direct invite instead.
Be prepared to take on the fallout?? Are you kidding me? Do you think any of these people actually care what you think or say?
Not out yet
Have Jake Reed Summer 2014 invites for the 2017s started to go out yet? I mean the 120 direct invites for kids who attended last year and got selected based on their performance or got a direct invite from Jake based on coaches/club slots, not kids going to 3D Blue Chip to try and make it. My son got the invite for the Fall Jake Reed event (going to Phiily Showcase instead), but hasn't received a Jake Reed summer invite yet. Hoping to avoid having to go down to Florida for 3D Blue Chip and get the direct invite instead.
What, are u drinking during the day again? Your response makes no sense.
Be prepared to take on the fallout?? Are you kidding me? Do you think any of these people actually care what you think or say?
Not out yet
Have Jake Reed Summer 2014 invites for the 2017s started to go out yet? I mean the 120 direct invites for kids who attended last year and got selected based on their performance or got a direct invite from Jake based on coaches/club slots, not kids going to 3D Blue Chip to try and make it. My son got the invite for the Fall Jake Reed event (going to Phiily Showcase instead), but hasn't received a Jake Reed summer invite yet. Hoping to avoid having to go down to Florida for 3D Blue Chip and get the direct invite instead.
Not out yet
but will be very soon as per a very reliable source. (to be directly mailed to accepted player homes)
they are only taking approx 50% of the kids from this summer.
Have Jake Reed Summer 2014 invites for the 2017s started to go out yet? I mean the 120 direct invites for kids who attended last year and got selected based on their performance or got a direct invite from Jake based on coaches/club slots, not kids going to 3D Blue Chip to try and make it. My son got the invite for the Fall Jake Reed event (going to Phiily Showcase instead), but hasn't received a Jake Reed summer invite yet. Hoping to avoid having to go down to Florida for 3D Blue Chip and get the direct invite instead.
Not out yet
but will be very soon as per a very reliable source. (to be directly mailed to accepted player homes)
they are only taking approx 50% of the kids from this summer.
Thanks a lot, helpful. Consistent with what I have heard.
Have Jake Reed Summer 2014 invites for the 2017s started to go out yet? I mean the 120 direct invites for kids who attended last year and got selected based on their performance or got a direct invite from Jake based on coaches/club slots, not kids going to 3D Blue Chip to try and make it. My son got the invite for the Fall Jake Reed event (going to Phiily Showcase instead), but hasn't received a Jake Reed summer invite yet. Hoping to avoid having to go down to Florida for 3D Blue Chip and get the direct invite instead.
What, are u drinking during the day again? Your response makes no sense.
Obviously belongs to earlier post
Be prepared to take on the fallout?? Are you kidding me? Do you think any of these people actually care what you think or say?
Not out yet
Altough I don't agree, age advantage is not a new concept in sports. From Malcolm Gladwell's Outliers, the NHL statistics point to a proven edge: The result, Gladwell says, is "an iron law of Canadian hockey: in any elite group of hockey players - the very best of the best - 40 per cent of the players will have been born between January and March." Those born in the last quarter of the year might as well just "give up on hockey."
its a vitious cycle... if you hold a kid back... everyone is or will be so quick to preface any praise with the... "but he should be in the grade above"...
... and they would be right... just pointing out the inconvenient truth...
it's an unfair advantage... so take be prepared to take on the fall out when you red shirt your eighth grader
Be ready to take on the fallout?? Are you kidding me? Do you think any of these people actually care what you think or say?
Any one get invited to Jesters 2017 yet?
What day did the Jesters say they would send out the invites? Did not here anything yet.
Should here very soon?
I thought it was Wed/ Thurs??? Anyone here
Yup. That's one of the biggest reason for it... Sadly.
Reality, 99% of the biggest fastest athletes in 8th grade are not a factor 4 years later when the rest of the boys caught up.
Summer 2014 National 175 Invitations are out.
Does anyone have any feedback on which is better. Top 205 or National 175 for this summer. Which has more D1
Does anyone have any feedback on which is better. Top 205 or National 175 for this summer. Which has more D1
Just one man's opinion on summer showcases:
1. Maverick Showtime
2. Jake Reed (but losing some favor b/c expanded # of kids)
3. Black Card Showcase (NSCLA members only)
4. National 175
5. Top 204
6. All others
Thanks for the feedback on order of showcases. You have Nat 175 higher than Top 205. If invited to both, and you want to only chose one, why do you feel Nat 175 is better?
Does anyone have any feedback on which is better. Top 205 or National 175 for this summer. Which has more D1
Just one man's opinion on summer showcases:
1. Maverick Showtime
2. Jake Reed (but losing some favor b/c expanded # of kids)
3. Black Card Showcase (NSCLA members only)
4. National 175
5. Top 204
6. All others
Showtime is by far the best. Most coaches, Most media coverage, IL, ect, best goody bag
Thanks for the feedback on order of showcases. You have Nat 175 higher than Top 205. If invited to both, and you want to only chose one, why do you feel Nat 175 is better?
I think Nat'l 175 and Top 205 are pretty close, with Nat'l 175 newer and a little better marketed, 205 around for a long time. Having said that, I know a few kids who made the All-Stars at Top 205 and got a lot of attention from colleges as a reasult (one committed to Syracuse who saw him first at Top 205).
Thanks for the feedback on order of showcases. You have Nat 175 higher than Top 205. If invited to both, and you want to only chose one, why do you feel Nat 175 is better?
I think Nat'l 175 and Top 205 are pretty close, with Nat'l 175 newer and a little better marketed, 205 around for a long time. Having said that, I know a few kids who made the All-Stars at Top 205 and got a lot of attention from colleges as a reasult (one committed to Syracuse who saw him first at Top 205).
Top 205 is on its way out. Heard last year was a diasaster. No coaches, very poorly run, ball hogging, etc. Blue Chip 225 seems pretty popular as well.
Special Opportunity for Boys 2017 PlayersShowcase Clinic Slots Available for Boys 2017 PlayersWhile we are in the midst of discussing showcases for freshman boys, now is the time to remind everyone of the special event here on Long Island being held on November 10th. This will be the first edition of the K&J Athletics Red Storm Showcase Clinic.
Some of you might be concerned about this being an inaugural edition - who might show up? Take a look at this list of already registered coaches :
St. John's University, Stony Brook University
Adelphi University, Yale University
Marquette, Towson
SUNY Binghamton, Providence College
Army, Sacred Heart University
University of Massachusetts, Pace University
SUNY Maritime, SUNY Farmingdale
NY Institute of Technology, Dowling College
L.I.U. Post, Thomas College
Dominican, Belmont Abbey
MA Maritime Academy, University of Tampa
Florida Southern, Mars Hill
Mount Ida College, Young Harris
Shorter University, Stockton
Linden State College, Stevens Institute of Technology
Notre Dame De Namur, Western New England
Merchant Marines, Gordon College
Goucher College, Morrisville State College
Cabrini College, Christopher Newport
Hope College, Washington & Jefferson College
Thiel College, Villanova
Hendrix College, Birmingham-Southern College
Transylvania University, Arcadia University
Sewanee University, Mercy College
Lindenwood College, Dean College
Essex College, Suffolk Community College
Howard College, Queens University
SUNY Delhi, Ohio Valley University
Mitchell College
If this event is only fractionally as successful as the girls spring/summer event, freshmen players will wind up on radars from multiple schools looking to recruit this age group.
The price to attend the showcase with multiple games and clinics is only $200.00.
Registration Link :
http://kjathletics.com/boys-showcase/
Turtles lost to Walt Whitman Varsity and Turtles coaches didn't seem to take it too well.
Turtles lost to Walt Whitman Varsity and Turtles coaches didn't seem to take it too well.
What was the score
Turtles lost to Walt Whitman Varsity and Turtles coaches didn't seem to take it too well.
What was the score
So a varsity squad beat a bunch of freshman? WOW.
Turtles lost to Walt Whitman Varsity and Turtles coaches didn't seem to take it too well.
What was the score
So a varsity squad beat a bunch of freshman? WOW.
By 1 no less...even with their typical outlaw tactics and cheap shots.
Turtles lost to Walt Whitman Varsity and Turtles coaches didn't seem to take it too well.
What was the score
So a varsity squad beat a bunch of freshman? WOW.
By 1 no less...even with their typical outlaw tactics and cheap shots.
What tactics? Playing hard and winning?
Watched the game and it was fun, good lacrosse. Turtles capatalized on man ups and Whitman dominated the physical battle which is what you would expect.
Turtles lost to Walt Whitman Varsity and Turtles coaches didn't seem to take it too well.
What was the score
So a varsity squad beat a bunch of freshman? WOW.
By 1 no less...even with their typical outlaw tactics and cheap shots.
What tactics? Playing hard and winning?
Watched the game and it was fun, good lacrosse. Turtles capatalized on man ups and Whitman dominated the physical battle which is what you would expect.
Turtles are really coming into their own! A little humility will serve them well.
Turtles lost to Walt Whitman Varsity and Turtles coaches didn't seem to take it too well.
Whitman isn't even a top team? Interesting, I'm sure the excuses will be flowing, I'll take out my violin
Turtles lost to Walt Whitman Varsity and Turtles coaches didn't seem to take it too well.
What was the score
So a varsity squad beat a bunch of freshman? WOW.
Is that why you guys always play UP so you have a
built in excuse? Don't you guys normally play UP in "B"brackets? Sorry, The Empire is crumbling.
Turtles lost to Walt Whitman Varsity and Turtles coaches didn't seem to take it too well.
What was the score
So a varsity squad beat a bunch of freshman? WOW.
Is that why you guys always play UP so you have a
built in excuse? Don't you guys normally play UP in "B"brackets? Sorry, The Empire is crumbling.
Why put those kids in that position? What r they trying to prove? Concentrate on age appropriate performance. Getting beat on by bigger is never better. It's the Napoleon ego striking once again. What a debacle that playing up has become for that team. I feel for them. Playiing WW is like playing an average jv team. What did they get for their efforts but a tail between their legs?
Better not go up,against the likes of TB,fl$ or 91....serious beat downs waiting there.
The coach there always says" we don't duck anyone"; But NEVER invites the above teams to come and play. Why is that, pray tell???
Yup. That's one of the biggest reason for it... Sadly.
Reality, 99% of the biggest fastest athletes in 8th grade are not a factor 4 years later when the rest of the boys caught up.
Really ? 99%. How did you come up with that data.
Turtles lost to Walt Whitman Varsity and Turtles coaches didn't seem to take it too well.
What was the score
So a varsity squad beat a bunch of freshman? WOW.
Is that why you guys always play UP so you have a
built in excuse? Don't you guys normally play UP in "B"brackets? Sorry, The Empire is crumbling.
Why put those kids in that position? What r they trying to prove? Concentrate on age appropriate performance. Getting beat on by bigger is never better. It's the Napoleon ego striking once again. What a debacle that playing up has become for that team. I feel for them. Playiing WW is like playing an average jv team. What did they get for their efforts but a tail between their legs?
Better not go up,against the likes of TB,fl$ or 91....serious beat downs waiting there.
The coach there always says" we don't duck anyone"; But NEVER invites the above teams to come and play. Why is that, pray tell???
why doesn't everyone do what they think is best for their kids. This team beats up on teams and its not fair, they lose by a goal and they're in over their heads. give it a rest already. TB, fl$, 91 c'mon man!
We saw the second half of the Turtle's game. I am not a parent on either team, I just stopped to watch when they were pointed out. It was a great game, very close and competitive, they did not appear to be out matched or blown out.
I am sorry but - teams play up to get better - will they win every game...no, will they get better and get more experience, certainly. I do not have a 2017 child, but we stopped after our game to watch about 10 minutes of this game (Turtles/Whitman). What I saw were two teams go at each other, Whitman was by far more physical, but they also were able to move the ball and play skillful lacrosse. Turtles had excellent ball movement on offense, I think they lacked a little size to better penetrate and draw slides from Whitman, but in all it was very good lacrosse. I think it is a shame to make comments like, "empire crumbling", and the other nonsense. These are young men remember, they are absolutely trying their best - in the short time I watched, not one kid quit on a play, or stopped trying...don't diminish their effort or character by making such rude comments on an online forum - in doing so, you only diminish your arguments and character, clean it up and act like adults....
I am sorry but - teams play up to get better - will they win every game...no, will they get better and get more experience, certainly. I do not have a 2017 child, but we stopped after our game to watch about 10 minutes of this game (Turtles/Whitman). What I saw were two teams go at each other, Whitman was by far more physical, but they also were able to move the ball and play skillful lacrosse. Turtles had excellent ball movement on offense, I think they lacked a little size to better penetrate and draw slides from Whitman, but in all it was very good lacrosse. I think it is a shame to make comments like, "empire crumbling", and the other nonsense. These are young men remember, they are absolutely trying their best - in the short time I watched, not one kid quit on a play, or stopped trying...don't diminish their effort or character by making such rude comments on an online forum - in doing so, you only diminish your arguments and character, clean it up and act like adults....
The Turtles brought those comments on mainly because of the way they have carried on the past several years bragging about how great they are and how they are the best, hand picked elite atheletes. privilaged with the best training and coaches, etc. I think people are making these comments because we are seeing that all this pampering is not making as big a difference as some may have anticipated. A dose of humility will serve them well. There are many great teams and players on LI. Not just the Turtles.
Does anyone have any feedback on which is better. Top 205 or National 175 for this summer. Which has more D1
Just one man's opinion on summer showcases:
1. Maverick Showtime
2. Jake Reed (but losing some favor b/c expanded # of kids)
3. Black Card Showcase (NSCLA members only)
4. National 175
5. Top 204
6. All others
I would second this list.
Maverik Showtime seems to have taken the top billing from JR. JR with their deal 3d has lost some of its cache, but is still a great place to be seen.
You have to play for a NSCLA team for Blackcard so haven't seen that one first hand.
I think of the anyone can get in showcases 175 has probably snuck past Top 205 mostly because of the numbers. There are just too many people at 205, but if you do manage to make the all star game you can still get a lot out of it. 175 has a lot fewer players, and I liked the fact that they treat every game as an all star game so if you have done your homework before hand you can get the coaches to watch your games.
I am sorry but - teams play up to get better - will they win every game...no, will they get better and get more experience, certainly. I do not have a 2017 child, but we stopped after our game to watch about 10 minutes of this game (Turtles/Whitman). What I saw were two teams go at each other, Whitman was by far more physical, but they also were able to move the ball and play skillful lacrosse. Turtles had excellent ball movement on offense, I think they lacked a little size to better penetrate and draw slides from Whitman, but in all it was very good lacrosse. I think it is a shame to make comments like, "empire crumbling", and the other nonsense. These are young men remember, they are absolutely trying their best - in the short time I watched, not one kid quit on a play, or stopped trying...don't diminish their effort or character by making such rude comments on an online forum - in doing so, you only diminish your arguments and character, clean it up and act like adults....
The Turtles brought those comments on mainly because of the way they have carried on the past several years bragging about how great they are and how they are the best, hand picked elite atheletes. privilaged with the best training and coaches, etc. I think people are making these comments because we are seeing that all this pampering is not making as big a difference as some may have anticipated. A dose of humility will serve them well. There are many great teams and players on LI. Not just the Turtles.
Unfortunately you are letting hearsay get the best of you. Like you I have heard similar things but when it comes to direct conversation with the kids or their parents, none of this rings true. Boils down to the societal evolution of today. If someone has something I dont, why dont I have it and if i cant then just try to discredit the people that do.
I am sorry but - teams play up to get better - will they win every game...no, will they get better and get more experience, certainly. I do not have a 2017 child, but we stopped after our game to watch about 10 minutes of this game (Turtles/Whitman). What I saw were two teams go at each other, Whitman was by far more physical, but they also were able to move the ball and play skillful lacrosse. Turtles had excellent ball movement on offense, I think they lacked a little size to better penetrate and draw slides from Whitman, but in all it was very good lacrosse. I think it is a shame to make comments like, "empire crumbling", and the other nonsense. These are young men remember, they are absolutely trying their best - in the short time I watched, not one kid quit on a play, or stopped trying...don't diminish their effort or character by making such rude comments on an online forum - in doing so, you only diminish your arguments and character, clean it up and act like adults....
The Turtles brought those comments on mainly because of the way they have carried on the past several years bragging about how great they are and how they are the best, hand picked elite atheletes. privilaged with the best training and coaches, etc. I think people are making these comments because we are seeing that all this pampering is not making as big a difference as some may have anticipated. A dose of humility will serve them well. There are many great teams and players on LI. Not just the Turtles.
Exactly. You are spot on. And btw isn't it weird how a few people on this 2017 thread just happened to be "walking by the field and stop to watch" and they don't have a 2017 kid, wow what a bunch of BS. Please stop with the "they are only kids" stuff, these are now HS players who are young MEN.
I am sorry but - teams play up to get better - will they win every game...no, will they get better and get more experience, certainly. I do not have a 2017 child, but we stopped after our game to watch about 10 minutes of this game (Turtles/Whitman). What I saw were two teams go at each other, Whitman was by far more physical, but they also were able to move the ball and play skillful lacrosse. Turtles had excellent ball movement on offense, I think they lacked a little size to better penetrate and draw slides from Whitman, but in all it was very good lacrosse. I think it is a shame to make comments like, "empire crumbling", and the other nonsense. These are young men remember, they are absolutely trying their best - in the short time I watched, not one kid quit on a play, or stopped trying...don't diminish their effort or character by making such rude comments on an online forum - in doing so, you only diminish your arguments and character, clean it up and act like adults....
The Turtles brought those comments on mainly because of the way they have carried on the past several years bragging about how great they are and how they are the best, hand picked elite atheletes. privilaged with the best training and coaches, etc. I think people are making these comments because we are seeing that all this pampering is not making as big a difference as some may have anticipated. A dose of humility will serve them well. There are many great teams and players on LI. Not just the Turtles.
Exactly. You are spot on. And btw isn't it weird how a few people on this 2017 thread just happened to be "walking by the field and stop to watch" and they don't have a 2017 kid, wow what a bunch of BS. Please stop with the "they are only kids" stuff, these are now HS players who are young MEN.
Have to agree. When you put yourself on a pedestal, there is only one plce to go. And you better believe people will notice!
The amount of hate and jealousy that is out there is incredible. "young men" they are in the 9th grade, the bashing and hating has been going on for some time maybe since these boys were in the 6th or 7th grade.
No adult who had any success of their own as an athlete would ever bash a kid who has put in the time and effort to become a good player.
These kids are good because of the amount of work that they put in, not because of who their parents are.
Many of you have been waiting for them to fail since these boys were in the 5th grade. You should be ashamed of yourselves!
The fact that many who have had negative comments have also been quick to point out how they are not the biggest, fastest athletes demonstrates how good they are. You have been waiting for the day when bigger stronger kids could knock them around. It is sad that small minded people wish such ill will upon children.
The fact that they are able to compete with and beat teams that might have superior athletic talent is a testament to all of the work that they have put in.
Ok, I get it now.... I am allowed to make to make these comments because of things I have read on an anonymous forum, hearsay, and rumor....I get it now, you're right keep bashing it makes your arguments and zingers that much more effective.... Your son is going to grow up and live his own life, there is NOTHING you can do about it - enjoy the time you have with him now in 20years you will undoubtedly feel radically different about this experience and crave to have it all back.. take a deep breath and enjoy it - it will not last forever...
Has anyone's son received a 2017 Jake Reed SUMMER invite yet (not 3D Blue Chip in the winter, I mean a direct invite)? Just trying to figure out if/when they are going out.
Ok, I get it now.... I am allowed to make to make these comments because of things I have read on an anonymous forum, hearsay, and rumor....I get it now, you're right keep bashing it makes your arguments and zingers that much more effective.... Your son is going to grow up and live his own life, there is NOTHING you can do about it - enjoy the time you have with him now in 20years you will undoubtedly feel radically different about this experience and crave to have it all back.. take a deep breath and enjoy it - it will not last forever...
I really don't think the Turtle posts are about jealousy. No one is saying that the boys/young men are not a talented and hard working group. The problem is that when high profile well connected members of the lacrosse community put together a team that is hand picked it not only makes other kids and parents wondering if they really are not as good. The Turtles also have walked around with a halo for years. The didn't lose many games, but when they did they did not always do it graciously. There was always some kind of excuse, too big. bad calls etc. I am glad they have lost a few because I feel like they will learn to appreciate the ups/ downs of lacrosse that most other players go through.
Yup. That's one of the biggest reason for it... Sadly.
Reality, 99% of the biggest fastest athletes in 8th grade are not a factor 4 years later when the rest of the boys caught up.
Really ? 99%. How did you come up with that data.
60% of the time that is correct every time...souonds like the father of a slow kid
Has anyone's son received a 2017 Jake Reed SUMMER invite yet (not 3D Blue Chip in the winter, I mean a direct invite)? Just trying to figure out if/when they are going out.
??? DOn't want this to get lost in all of the ridiculous Turtles hating going on.
Yup. That's one of the biggest reason for it... Sadly.
Reality, 99% of the biggest fastest athletes in 8th grade are not a factor 4 years later when the rest of the boys caught up.
Really ? 99%. How did you come up with that data.
60% of the time that is correct every time...souonds like the father of a slow kid
Son is now a senior and I have a younger guy. Not even close. From MS to HS, big kids were still big, fast kids still fast, slow kids still slow. Were there changes, and some kids different? Sure. Biggest game changer, proper weight training. Speed comes from strength, not cones. Shutes and ladders will not get your son more agile or faster if his body does not have the muscle mass. Look at most sprinters and running backs. Very muscular. Skinny kids can also get very solid. Just my experience.
I am sorry but - teams play up to get better - will they win every game...no, will they get better and get more experience, certainly. I do not have a 2017 child, but we stopped after our game to watch about 10 minutes of this game (Turtles/Whitman). What I saw were two teams go at each other, Whitman was by far more physical, but they also were able to move the ball and play skillful lacrosse. Turtles had excellent ball movement on offense, I think they lacked a little size to better penetrate and draw slides from Whitman, but in all it was very good lacrosse. I think it is a shame to make comments like, "empire crumbling", and the other nonsense. These are young men remember, they are absolutely trying their best - in the short time I watched, not one kid quit on a play, or stopped trying...don't diminish their effort or character by making such rude comments on an online forum - in doing so, you only diminish your arguments and character, clean it up and act like adults....
The Turtles brought those comments on mainly because of the way they have carried on the past several years bragging about how great they are and how they are the best, hand picked elite atheletes. privilaged with the best training and coaches, etc. I think people are making these comments because we are seeing that all this pampering is not making as big a difference as some may have anticipated. A dose of humility will serve them well. There are many great teams and players on LI. Not just the Turtles.
Exactly. You are spot on. And btw isn't it weird how a few people on this 2017 thread just happened to be "walking by the field and stop to watch" and they don't have a 2017 kid, wow what a bunch of BS. Please stop with the "they are only kids" stuff, these are now HS players who are young MEN.
Lets see my son played on same field right before this game. I stayed and watched the fisrt half and saw somne good LAX. Am I a BS artist? Plenty of people down at Farmingdale fields Sunday morning for the early games who stayed and watched this game. People on this board need to stop the negativity. These are just kids playing a game. BTW I know two kids on Turtles as well, nice kids as are their parents, no bragging from them ever.
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We are wondering the same thing. Have the personal invites - so you can skip the Fl. tryouts - gone out?
We are wondering the same thing. Have the personal invites - so you can skip the Fl. tryouts - gone out?
Wasn't it suppose to be by oct 1? Wonder what the delay is....
Is fl$ going to be better then what they were last year.
Why would Jake Reed send out direct invites when the program can get 650 boys to come down to FL to "try-out" for a $550 fee? Oversubscribe the tryout, then send out direct invites. This way you guarantee a $355k payday. From what I understand, 60 invites per age group come from direct invited from Jake and 60 invites are from the 3D tryout...ingenius, yes....money grab, you decide...650 boys trying out for 60 spots...bring your A game
if they are having a difficult time filling all the Florida slots, this will delay sending direct summer invites. They need to ensure their profits in florida before telling boys they do not need to come.
If you go on the 3d website application page it shows that every position still has open splots at the 2017 age group
if they are having a difficult time filling all the Florida slots, this will delay sending direct summer invites. They need to ensure their profits in florida before telling boys they do not need to come.
If you go on the 3d website application page it shows that every position still has open splots at the 2017 age group
Applications for 3d Blue Chip are way down - saw a 3d tweet where over 1000 had signed up - 5 regions, 120 per class, 4 classes = 2400 slots and I know there a few rising senior spots so it is probably closer to 2500 slots.
I would bet the 2018 is full, and then it declines from there.
if they are having a difficult time filling all the Florida slots, this will delay sending direct summer invites. They need to ensure their profits in florida before telling boys they do not need to come.
If you go on the 3d website application page it shows that every position still has open splots at the 2017 age group
Applications for 3d Blue Chip are way down - saw a 3d tweet where over 1000 had signed up - 5 regions, 120 per class, 4 classes = 2400 slots and I know there a few rising senior spots so it is probably closer to 2500 slots.
I would bet the 2018 is full, and then it declines from there.
Jake Reed is a money grab and overrated. I got a bad taste when I recieved an email asking for 75$ to watch a highlight video! Are they for real? Many other high quality showcases out there noticing and commiting kids to top D1 programs. Maverick Showtime is a much better showcase if you can get an invite. I wonder who these magic 60 invites go to? Kids of well connected daddys, I assume!
if they are having a difficult time filling all the Florida slots, this will delay sending direct summer invites. They need to ensure their profits in florida before telling boys they do not need to come.
If you go on the 3d website application page it shows that every position still has open splots at the 2017 age group
Applications for 3d Blue Chip are way down - saw a 3d tweet where over 1000 had signed up - 5 regions, 120 per class, 4 classes = 2400 slots and I know there a few rising senior spots so it is probably closer to 2500 slots.
I would bet the 2018 is full, and then it declines from there.
Jake Reed is a money grab and overrated. I got a bad taste when I recieved an email asking for 75$ to watch a highlight video! Are they for real? Many other high quality showcases out there noticing and commiting kids to top D1 programs. Maverick Showtime is a much better showcase if you can get an invite. I wonder who these magic 60 invites go to? Kids of well connected daddys, I assume!
Mommies not daddys when referencing a JR event
if they are having a difficult time filling all the Florida slots, this will delay sending direct summer invites. They need to ensure their profits in florida before telling boys they do not need to come.
If you go on the 3d website application page it shows that every position still has open splots at the 2017 age group
Applications for 3d Blue Chip are way down - saw a 3d tweet where over 1000 had signed up - 5 regions, 120 per class, 4 classes = 2400 slots and I know there a few rising senior spots so it is probably closer to 2500 slots.
I would bet the 2018 is full, and then it declines from there.
No direct invite for 2018 available... have to do Fla deal.
if they are having a difficult time filling all the Florida slots, this will delay sending direct summer invites. They need to ensure their profits in florida before telling boys they do not need to come.
If you go on the 3d website application page it shows that every position still has open splots at the 2017 age group
Applications for 3d Blue Chip are way down - saw a 3d tweet where over 1000 had signed up - 5 regions, 120 per class, 4 classes = 2400 slots and I know there a few rising senior spots so it is probably closer to 2500 slots.
I would bet the 2018 is full, and then it declines from there.
Jake Reed is a money grab and overrated. I got a bad taste when I recieved an email asking for 75$ to watch a highlight video! Are they for real? Many other high quality showcases out there noticing and commiting kids to top D1 programs. Maverick Showtime is a much better showcase if you can get an invite. I wonder who these magic 60 invites go to? Kids of well connected daddys, I assume!
I'll bet there is a great representation from 3D kids, deserved or not!
if they are having a difficult time filling all the Florida slots, this will delay sending direct summer invites. They need to ensure their profits in florida before telling boys they do not need to come.
If you go on the 3d website application page it shows that every position still has open splots at the 2017 age group
Applications for 3d Blue Chip are way down - saw a 3d tweet where over 1000 had signed up - 5 regions, 120 per class, 4 classes = 2400 slots and I know there a few rising senior spots so it is probably closer to 2500 slots.
I would bet the 2018 is full, and then it declines from there.
Jake Reed is a money grab and overrated. I got a bad taste when I recieved an email asking for 75$ to watch a highlight video! Are they for real? Many other high quality showcases out there noticing and commiting kids to top D1 programs. Maverick Showtime is a much better showcase if you can get an invite. I wonder who these magic 60 invites go to? Kids of well connected daddys, I assume!
I bet there's alot more than 60 2017's waiting for their invite first, before they go the 3d route. If JR released the direct invites, then there will be a mad rush for 3d action. Just saying...
if they are having a difficult time filling all the Florida slots, this will delay sending direct summer invites. They need to ensure their profits in florida before telling boys they do not need to come.
If you go on the 3d website application page it shows that every position still has open splots at the 2017 age group
Applications for 3d Blue Chip are way down - saw a 3d tweet where over 1000 had signed up - 5 regions, 120 per class, 4 classes = 2400 slots and I know there a few rising senior spots so it is probably closer to 2500 slots.
I would bet the 2018 is full, and then it declines from there.
Jake Reed is a money grab and overrated. I got a bad taste when I recieved an email asking for 75$ to watch a highlight video! Are they for real? Many other high quality showcases out there noticing and commiting kids to top D1 programs. Maverick Showtime is a much better showcase if you can get an invite. I wonder who these magic 60 invites go to? Kids of well connected daddys, I assume!
What's the story with 2017's that went to JR via 3d last year and the invite system? If they don't get direct invite this year is it true they can't go to 3d this year?
if they are having a difficult time filling all the Florida slots, this will delay sending direct summer invites. They need to ensure their profits in florida before telling boys they do not need to come.
If you go on the 3d website application page it shows that every position still has open splots at the 2017 age group
Applications for 3d Blue Chip are way down - saw a 3d tweet where over 1000 had signed up - 5 regions, 120 per class, 4 classes = 2400 slots and I know there a few rising senior spots so it is probably closer to 2500 slots.
I would bet the 2018 is full, and then it declines from there.
Jake Reed is a money grab and overrated. I got a bad taste when I recieved an email asking for 75$ to watch a highlight video! Are they for real? Many other high quality showcases out there noticing and commiting kids to top D1 programs. Maverick Showtime is a much better showcase if you can get an invite. I wonder who these magic 60 invites go to? Kids of well connected daddys, I assume!
What's the story with 2017's that went to JR via 3d last year and the invite system? If they don't get direct invite this year is it true they can't go to 3d this year?
I think that if they went to 3d last year and didn't get invite to jr last year, then the only way to go this year is to go to 3d again and try to get that invite. But they will not get one direct this year.
if they are having a difficult time filling all the Florida slots, this will delay sending direct summer invites. They need to ensure their profits in florida before telling boys they do not need to come.
If you go on the 3d website application page it shows that every position still has open splots at the 2017 age group
Applications for 3d Blue Chip are way down - saw a 3d tweet where over 1000 had signed up - 5 regions, 120 per class, 4 classes = 2400 slots and I know there a few rising senior spots so it is probably closer to 2500 slots.
I would bet the 2018 is full, and then it declines from there.
Jake Reed is a money grab and overrated. I got a bad taste when I recieved an email asking for 75$ to watch a highlight video! Are they for real? Many other high quality showcases out there noticing and commiting kids to top D1 programs. Maverick Showtime is a much better showcase if you can get an invite. I wonder who these magic 60 invites go to? Kids of well connected daddys, I assume!
What's the story with 2017's that went to JR via 3d last year and the invite system? If they don't get direct invite this year is it true they can't go to 3d this year?
Definately not true.
have the Jake reed Nike Bluechip direct invites gone out yet?
have the Jake reed Nike Bluechip direct invites gone out yet?
Pretty positive they have not yet gone out dispite Jake Reed posting on his twitter awhile back that they would be out by October 1st.
if they are having a difficult time filling all the Florida slots, this will delay sending direct summer invites. They need to ensure their profits in florida before telling boys they do not need to come.
If you go on the 3d website application page it shows that every position still has open splots at the 2017 age group
Applications for 3d Blue Chip are way down - saw a 3d tweet where over 1000 had signed up - 5 regions, 120 per class, 4 classes = 2400 slots and I know there a few rising senior spots so it is probably closer to 2500 slots.
I would bet the 2018 is full, and then it declines from there.
Jake Reed is a money grab and overrated. I got a bad taste when I recieved an email asking for 75$ to watch a highlight video! Are they for real? Many other high quality showcases out there noticing and commiting kids to top D1 programs. Maverick Showtime is a much better showcase if you can get an invite. I wonder who these magic 60 invites go to? Kids of well connected daddys, I assume!
What's the story with 2017's that went to JR via 3d last year and the invite system? If they don't get direct invite this year is it true they can't go to 3d this year?
Definately not true.
Do you really think JR won't take your money?? Keep paying up!!
Whitman ranked 15 preseason Suffolk an beat Turtles?
Whitman ranked 15 preseason Suffolk an beat Turtles?
Yes and I understand they're receiving a trophy for the accomplishment. Its fall ball who cares???
Whitman ranked 15 preseason Suffolk an beat Turtles?
Yes and I understand they're receiving a trophy for the accomplishment. Its fall ball who cares???
Seems like a lot of people! It's an early indicator
What tournaments are all the top teams going to this fall? (91, express, outlaws, TB, Turtles, etc.)
What tournaments are all the top teams going to this fall? (91, express, outlaws, TB, Turtles, etc.)
Turtles website says NSLCA fall showcase and Philly team showcase.
Does anyone have any feedback on which is better. Top 205 or National 175 for this summer. Which has more D1
Just one man's opinion on summer showcases:
1. Maverick Showtime
2. Jake Reed (but losing some favor b/c expanded # of kids)
3. Black Card Showcase (NSCLA members only)
4. National 175
5. Top 204
6. All others
I would second this list.
Maverik Showtime seems to have taken the top billing from JR. JR with their deal 3d has lost some of its cache, but is still a great place to be seen.
You have to play for a NSCLA team for Blackcard so haven't seen that one first hand.
I think of the anyone can get in showcases 175 has probably snuck past Top 205 mostly because of the numbers. There are just too many people at 205, but if you do manage to make the all star game you can still get a lot out of it. 175 has a lot fewer players, and I liked the fact that they treat every game as an all star game so if you have done your homework before hand you can get the coaches to watch your games.
Any opinions of Fab Frosh?
Fab Frosh is an excellent showcase. We know of two kids who went last year and within a two week period got contacts to prospect camps and invitations to visit. Very good communication with coaches from within the showcase. Must have been at least 25 schools there evaluating. By invitation only.
Fab Frosh is an excellent showcase. We know of two kids who went last year and within a two week period got contacts to prospect camps and invitations to visit. Very good communication with coaches from within the showcase. Must have been at least 25 schools there evaluating. By invitation only.
I trust this person's opinion but I have heard more mixed feedback. A lot of kids, mixed talent level. If you kid ia already going to Jake Reed and/or Maverick Showcase, probably not worth it. If not, I would go.
Just got my invite to Fab Frosh and trying to decide as well. Were on the fence because of the all other summer crap going on. Dont know much about it, but I have heard good things.
Pulled the below direct from 3d as you can see most region/postion/grade combinations remain open - well past the September notification date - including 2018 where the only way into Jake Reed is via 3d
2017 attack is the only position full across all regions and overall 2017 seems to be the class with the filled spots
MIDWEST Attack Defense/LSM FOGO Goalie Midfield
2015 Open Open Open Open Open
2016 Full Open Open Full Open
2017 Full Open Open Open Full
2018 Open Open Open Open Open
WEST Attack Defense/LSM FOGO Goalie Midfield
2015 Open Open Open Open Open
2016 Open Full Open Open Open
2017 Full Full Open Full Open
2018 Open Open Open Open Open
SOUTH Attack Defense/LSM FOGO Goalie Midfield
2016 Open Open Open Full Open
2017 Full Open Open Open Open
2018 Open Open Open Open Open
MID-ATLANTIC Attack Defense/LSM FOGO Goalie Midfield
2016 Open Open Open Open Open
2017 Full Open Open Open Open
2018 Open Open Open Open Open
NORTHEAST Attack Defense/LSM FOGO Goalie Midfield
2015 Open Open Open Open Open
2016 Open Open Open Open Open
2017 Full Open Open Open Open
2018 Open Open Open Open Open
if they are having a difficult time filling all the Florida slots, this will delay sending direct summer invites. They need to ensure their profits in florida before telling boys they do not need to come.
If you go on the 3d website application page it shows that every position still has open splots at the 2017 age group
Applications for 3d Blue Chip are way down - saw a 3d tweet where over 1000 had signed up - 5 regions, 120 per class, 4 classes = 2400 slots and I know there a few rising senior spots so it is probably closer to 2500 slots.
I would bet the 2018 is full, and then it declines from there.
Jake Reed is a money grab and overrated. I got a bad taste when I recieved an email asking for 75$ to watch a highlight video! Are they for real? Many other high quality showcases out there noticing and commiting kids to top D1 programs. Maverick Showtime is a much better showcase if you can get an invite. I wonder who these magic 60 invites go to? Kids of well connected daddys, I assume!
I bet there's alot more than 60 2017's waiting for their invite first, before they go the 3d route. If JR released the direct invites, then there will be a mad rush for 3d action. Just saying...
Sorry to beat a dead horse, but just want an update if anyone's kids (2017s) have received a direct invite (not 3D Blue chip) to Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip for the upcoming summer? Were suppossed to be out awhile ago.
When does Long Island Sting 2017 Team have tryouts?
Sorry to beat a dead horse, but just want an update if anyone's kids (2017s) have received a direct invite (not 3D Blue chip) to Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip for the upcoming summer? Were suppossed to be out awhile ago.
Haven't heard of anyone getting one yet
Sorry to beat a dead horse, but just want an update if anyone's kids (2017s) have received a direct invite (not 3D Blue chip) to Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip for the upcoming summer? Were suppossed to be out awhile ago.
Omg the amount of people on here panicking about little Johnny's invite to Jake Reed is comical. Dont worry yourself too much, as soon as the invites are out I'm sure all the self absorbed dads living vicariously through their kids will post letting everyone know that their little Johnny was invited. Take a breath, if he doesnt get an invite the world will still rotate
Sorry to beat a dead horse, but just want an update if anyone's kids (2017s) have received a direct invite (not 3D Blue chip) to Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip for the upcoming summer? Were suppossed to be out awhile ago.
Omg the amount of people on here panicking about little Johnny's invite to Jake Reed is comical. Dont worry yourself too much, as soon as the invites are out I'm sure all the self absorbed dads living vicariously through their kids will post letting everyone know that their little Johnny was invited. Take a breath, if he doesnt get an invite the world will still rotate
You are one of the most condescending, negative, glass half full people out there. Maybe people just want to know if others have heard as it is a lot of money to have to go through 3D Blue Chip (cost of event, airfaire, hotel) to get to Jake Reed. Is that living through your kid or economic reality? I do realize a family chould chose to bag it all together if cost was a big issue, but just asking. Don't need the d-bag response you have to everything, Little Johnny.
Sorry to beat a dead horse, but just want an update if anyone's kids (2017s) have received a direct invite (not 3D Blue chip) to Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip for the upcoming summer? Were suppossed to be out awhile ago.
Omg the amount of people on here panicking about little Johnny's invite to Jake Reed is comical. Dont worry yourself too much, as soon as the invites are out I'm sure all the self absorbed dads living vicariously through their kids will post letting everyone know that their little Johnny was invited. Take a breath, if he doesnt get an invite the world will still rotate
You are one of the most condescending, negative, glass half full people out there. Maybe people just want to know if others have heard as it is a lot of money to have to go through 3D Blue Chip (cost of event, airfaire, hotel) to get to Jake Reed. Is that living through your kid or economic reality? I do realize a family chould chose to bag it all together if cost was a big issue, but just asking. Don't need the d-bag response you have to everything, Little Johnny.
Wow, D-Bag, lol. Did you think of that yourself? Take a look at this thread and see how many posts there are about the Jake Reed invites going out. Also look at the post describing the open slots at 3D Blue Chip. If you know anything about lacrosse and how it works at this level you would know that to get a direct invite to Jake Reed you pretty much need to have a coach with some juice recommend your kid. Pretty much every kid that's going to get a direct invite is aware that they will be getting one. If there's a question in your mind then Little Johnny is probably not getting an invite.
Thanks genius. No one knew any of this and the world is falling...Go have a drink, something to make you happier.
Thanks genius. No one knew any of this and the world is falling...Go have a drink, something to make you happier.
Judging by the posts on this site its pretty apparent that noone does know any of this and they think the world is falling because their son didnt get a Jake Reed invite. Thanks but I am quite happy reading all these ridiculous posts from delusional parents
Thanks genius. No one knew any of this and the world is falling...Go have a drink, something to make you happier.
Judging by the posts on this site its pretty apparent that noone does know any of this and they think the world is falling because their son didnt get a Jake Reed invite. Thanks but I am quite happy reading all these ridiculous posts from delusional parents
Got another reminder to register for 3d Jake Reed today. They must be hurting.
Easy there tough guy. These 'dads' are deserved an answer after this long process that started in Florida in January and continued into July in Marylnd. It shouldn't take four months to send out invites. And by the way, don't pretend you are so above all of this. You are obviously pretty concerned about your little 'Johnny' if your surfing BOTC early in the morning. Please spare us the snarky comments.
Sorry to beat a dead horse, but just want an update if anyone's kids (2017s) have received a direct invite (not 3D Blue chip) to Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip for the upcoming summer? Were suppossed to be out awhile ago.
Omg the amount of people on here panicking about little Johnny's invite to Jake Reed is comical. Dont worry yourself too much, as soon as the invites are out I'm sure all the self absorbed dads living vicariously through their kids will post letting everyone know that their little Johnny was invited. Take a breath, if he doesnt get an invite the world will still rotate
Easy there tough guy. These 'dads' are deserved an answer after this long process that started in Florida in January and continued into July in Marylnd. It shouldn't take four months to send out invites. And by the way, don't pretend you are so above all of this. You are obviously pretty concerned about your little 'Johnny' if your surfing BOTC early in the morning. Please spare us the snarky comments.
Sorry to beat a dead horse, but just want an update if anyone's kids (2017s) have received a direct invite (not 3D Blue chip) to Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip for the upcoming summer? Were suppossed to be out awhile ago.
Omg the amount of people on here panicking about little Johnny's invite to Jake Reed is comical. Dont worry yourself too much, as soon as the invites are out I'm sure all the self absorbed dads living vicariously through their kids will post letting everyone know that their little Johnny was invited. Take a breath, if he doesnt get an invite the world will still rotate
Agree, the guy should be outlawed from the board. Condescending, negatoid about everything.
Easy there tough guy. These 'dads' are deserved an answer after this long process that started in Florida in January and continued into July in Marylnd. It shouldn't take four months to send out invites. And by the way, don't pretend you are so above all of this. You are obviously pretty concerned about your little 'Johnny' if your surfing BOTC early in the morning. Please spare us the snarky comments.
Call Jake Reed and explain to him how you "deserve" an answer. Good luck with that and let me know how that turns out......unreal
I dont think anyone is stating they are above anything. I myself am realistic about my kid and his place, not really too worried about Jake Reed invites, the whole lacrosse world doesnt revolve around it. Plenty of other places to play and showcase your kid. If your kid is that good he doesnt need Jake Reed, colleges will find him
Easy there tough guy. These 'dads' are deserved an answer after this long process that started in Florida in January and continued into July in Marylnd. It shouldn't take four months to send out invites. And by the way, don't pretend you are so above all of this. You are obviously pretty concerned about your little 'Johnny' if your surfing BOTC early in the morning. Please spare us the snarky comments.
Call Jake Reed and explain to him how you "deserve" an answer. Good luck with that and let me know how that turns out......unreal
I dont think anyone is stating they are above anything. I myself am realistic about my kid and his place, not really too worried about Jake Reed invites, the whole lacrosse world doesnt revolve around it. Plenty of other places to play and showcase your kid. If your kid is that good he doesnt need Jake Reed, colleges will find him
And... if your kid "IS" that good, he'll be invited to JR and everything else.
Don't you guys get tired arguing about whose kid is better?
Don't you guys get tired arguing whose 14 year old boy is better? I've never seen such chest bumping/name calling over a kid's sport.
Nope... silly question.
Asked and answered back on 9/16/13. This is a recurring question on this forum. I would think it no longer matters.
Easy there tough guy. These 'dads' are deserved an answer after this long process that started in Florida in January and continued into July in Marylnd. It shouldn't take four months to send out invites. And by the way, don't pretend you are so above all of this. You are obviously pretty concerned about your little 'Johnny' if your surfing BOTC early in the morning. Please spare us the snarky comments.
Call Jake Reed and explain to him how you "deserve" an answer. Good luck with that and let me know how that turns out......unreal
I dont think anyone is stating they are above anything. I myself am realistic about my kid and his place, not really too worried about Jake Reed invites, the whole lacrosse world doesnt revolve around it. Plenty of other places to play and showcase your kid. If your kid is that good he doesnt need Jake Reed, colleges will find him
And... if your kid "IS" that good, he'll be invited to JR and everything else.
Amen to that ^ Brother!!
So many dudes wondering what if and then diminishing the positive aspect of being invited to all of the showcases. My kids lucky. He was blessed with a little innate ability and maximized the coaching and games/tournament experiences thus far and has been invited to all of the "major?" Showcases. Hopefully JR will be on his list as well. If not; he is not doing 3D again. Gotta give him a break. These kids really need to have some fun away from lax.
Yes, the Maverik Showtime for next summer have gone out (for 2017s) as well as the Jake Reed fall invites.
Just got Outlaws 2017 Black
Nov 3rd legacy Boston
Nov 9th uplax Baltimore
Nov 10th NSCLA Baltimore
Nov 16th 3d Baltimore
Nov 24th NXT Invitational PA
Just got Outlaws 2017 Black
Nov 3rd legacy Boston
Nov 9th uplax Baltimore
Nov 10th NSCLA Baltimore
Nov 16th 3d Baltimore
Nov 24th NXT Invitational PA
They should garner 2, maybe 3 wins total in those 5 tournaments
Just got Outlaws 2017 Black
Nov 3rd legacy Boston
Nov 9th uplax Baltimore
Nov 10th NSCLA Baltimore
Nov 16th 3d Baltimore
Nov 24th NXT Invitational PA
They should garner 2, maybe 3 wins total in those 5 tournaments
I have no idea how accurate your prediction is, I'm just wondering what you are basing it on.
Just got Outlaws 2017 Black
Nov 3rd legacy Boston
Nov 9th uplax Baltimore
Nov 10th NSCLA Baltimore
Nov 16th 3d Baltimore
Nov 24th NXT Invitational PA
They should garner 2, maybe 3 wins total in those 5 tournaments
why so obnoxious? someone asked where the LI teams were playing
Just got Outlaws 2017 Black
Nov 3rd legacy Boston
Nov 9th uplax Baltimore
Nov 10th NSCLA Baltimore
Nov 16th 3d Baltimore
Nov 24th NXT Invitational PA
They should garner 2, maybe 3 wins total in those 5 tournaments
I have no idea how accurate your prediction is, I'm just wondering what you are basing it on.
Why would you even ask what this moron is basing his prediction on? Who cares what he predicts or thinks? It is just going to open up a conversation for grown men to bash 14/15 yr olds.
Just wait and see MR 91 IDIOT
Just wait and see MR 91 IDIOT
WOW! Sorry, but this "91 IDIOT" is the one sticking up for the Outlaw boys.
Just got Outlaws 2017 Black
Nov 3rd legacy Boston
Nov 9th uplax Baltimore
Nov 10th NSCLA Baltimore
Nov 16th 3d Baltimore
Nov 24th NXT Invitational PA
They should garner 2, maybe 3 wins total in those 5 tournaments
The amount of WINS doesn't mean anything at this age for all 2017 teams, its about getting noticed by the colleges. Learn the process before you talk stupid.
looks like a Good Schedule
What are 91,Express,Team LI, jesters,fl$,and True B Doing
Just got Outlaws 2017 Black
Nov 3rd legacy Boston
Nov 9th uplax Baltimore
Nov 10th NSCLA Baltimore
Nov 16th 3d Baltimore
Nov 24th NXT Invitational PA
They should garner 2, maybe 3 wins total in those 5 tournaments
Exactly! College coaches don't care who wins. They're looking for talented players. Good job by Outlaws placing the team in high profile tournaments.
The amount of WINS doesn't mean anything at this age for all 2017 teams, its about getting noticed by the colleges. Learn the process before you talk stupid.
The amount of WINS doesn't mean anything at this age for all 2017 teams, its about getting noticed by the colleges. Learn the process before you talk stupid.
A famous Herm Edwards quote: "You play to win the game!"
The amount of WINS doesn't mean anything at this age for all 2017 teams, its about getting noticed by the colleges. Learn the process before you talk stupid.
A famous Herm Edwards quote: "You play to win the game!"
And look where that got him.....at the 2017 age, you are looking to get exposure to college coaches, not necessarily win. Teams should be shooting for getting the boys exposure, which generally means equal playing time so all boys have an opporutnity to be seen.
looks like a Good Schedule
What are 91,Express,Team LI, jesters,fl$,and True B Doing
fl$ is doing:
11/10 Harvard Fall HS Recruiting Tournament
11/16 and 17 3d in MD
11/24 NXT Philly Freshmen Invitational
The amount of WINS doesn't mean anything at this age for all 2017 teams, its about getting noticed by the colleges. Learn the process before you talk stupid.
A famous Herm Edwards quote: "You play to win the game!"
I love Herm Edwards but in regards to this, "You play to win a slot on a college roster"
The amount of WINS doesn't mean anything at this age for all 2017 teams, its about getting noticed by the colleges. Learn the process before you talk stupid.
A famous Herm Edwards quote: "You play to win the game!"
I love Herm Edwards but in regards to this, "You play to win a slot on a college roster"
You must be joking about not playing to win. It's not a scrimmage like college fall ball where everyone plays and no score is kept. New flash - it's called a game and if you want your son on a team that doesn't play to win then why bother playing summer lax at all. Save your money and your time. You should find another, less competitive, way to showcase your sons playing ability.
And look where that got him.....
Where did that attitude get Herm? To a good career in the NFL then success as a NFL head coach and now a lucrative broadcasting job. Not bad......
The amount of WINS doesn't mean anything at this age for all 2017 teams, its about getting noticed by the colleges. Learn the process before you talk stupid.
A famous Herm Edwards quote: "You play to win the game!"
Herm Edwards was a decent football player, awful coach, and is dreadful on ESPN. You need to figure it out for your son. The posters are 100 percent right. College coaches care nothing of scores. In fact, many coaches are showing more interest in individual showcase events. Kids on random teams, a true representation of lax IQ and skill sets. I assure you, they really don't care about the score of showcase games. I will give you that coaches do check out teams that are winning a lot at a tournament, to see what the buzz is all about. However, if your son is not a major contributor on such a team, it could actually hurt him.
The amount of WINS doesn't mean anything at this age for all 2017 teams, its about getting noticed by the colleges. Learn the process before you talk stupid.
A famous Herm Edwards quote: "You play to win the game!"
Herm Edwards was a decent football player, awful coach, and is dreadful on ESPN. You need to figure it out for your son. The posters are 100 percent right. College coaches care nothing of scores. In fact, many coaches are showing more interest in individual showcase events. Kids on random teams, a true representation of lax IQ and skill sets. I assure you, they really don't care about the score of showcase games. I will give you that coaches do check out teams that are winning a lot at a tournament, to see what the buzz is all about. However, if your son is not a major contributor on such a team, it could actually hurt him.
If anyone takes the time to search the internet, look for the Herm Edwards keynote address at the US Lacrosse National Conference from two years back. Watch the video of his presentation and then argue about the applicability of his lessons to youth sports. If you believe that he was an awful coach, perhaps we need to rethink what "coaching" is all about.
The amount of WINS doesn't mean anything at this age for all 2017 teams, its about getting noticed by the colleges. Learn the process before you talk stupid.
A famous Herm Edwards quote: "You play to win the game!"
I love Herm Edwards but in regards to this, "You play to win a slot on a college roster"
You must be joking about not playing to win. It's not a scrimmage like college fall ball where everyone plays and no score is kept. New flash - it's called a game and if you want your son on a team that doesn't play to win then why bother playing summer lax at all. Save your money and your time. You should find another, less competitive, way to showcase your sons playing ability.
Wow. You are a really uninformed dope! You think a college coach cares who won the game? They are looking at individual effort. You certainly want to be on a competitive team but winning means zero!!!
Not one person said they are not playing to win. The point is that it doesn't matter who wins as long as you are competitive and you showcase your talents. College coaches rarely stay for a whole game and they really don't care what the score is.
Anyone know how good Millon Force is going to be?
The amount of WINS doesn't mean anything at this age for all 2017 teams, its about getting noticed by the colleges. Learn the process before you talk stupid.
A famous Herm Edwards quote: "You play to win the game!"
I love Herm Edwards but in regards to this, "You play to win a slot on a college roster"
You must be joking about not playing to win. It's not a scrimmage like college fall ball where everyone plays and no score is kept. New flash - it's called a game and if you want your son on a team that doesn't play to win then why bother playing summer lax at all. Save your money and your time. You should find another, less competitive, way to showcase your sons playing ability.
Wow. You are a really uninformed dope! You think a college coach cares who won the game? They are looking at individual effort. You certainly want to be on a competitive team but winning means zero!!!
The uninformed dope said nothing about coaches and their style of watching. He did, however, state the facts with regard to the previous poster wanting every kid to have equal playing time so the college coaches can see his kid who obviously isn't an impact player on that team. I actually agree that the coaches could care less on the score; but they WILL be at the championship games so I guess your team has to win SOMETIMES to get to that game. I'm not sure what the college coaches care the least about - what team wins OR the second and third lines. ouch..
The amount of WINS doesn't mean anything at this age for all 2017 teams, its about getting noticed by the colleges. Learn the process before you talk stupid.
A famous Herm Edwards quote: "You play to win the game!"
And look where that got him.....at the 2017 age, you are looking to get exposure to college coaches, not necessarily win. Teams should be shooting for getting the boys exposure, which generally means equal playing time so all boys have an opporutnity to be seen.
equal playing time?? how funny would it be if every kid had a turn playing the lead role in their hs musical? Thanks for making me laugh.
Not one person said they are not playing to win. The point is that it doesn't matter who wins as long as you are competitive and you showcase your talents. College coaches rarely stay for a whole game and they really don't care what the score is.
PRESUMABLY....
winning teams go further in tourneys - leads to
playing against incredible competition - leads to
more exposure to college coaches there watching both teams - leads to
potential top tier colleges
and I forgot to mention that the teams that win a lot, for the most part, have coaches that can pick up a phone and contact most colleges coaches BECAUSE of having teams that win.
The amount of WINS doesn't mean anything at this age for all 2017 teams, its about getting noticed by the colleges. Learn the process before you talk stupid.
A famous Herm Edwards quote: "You play to win the game!"
Herm Edwards was a decent football player, awful coach, and is dreadful on ESPN. You need to figure it out for your son. The posters are 100 percent right. College coaches care nothing of scores. In fact, many coaches are showing more interest in individual showcase events. Kids on random teams, a true representation of lax IQ and skill sets. I assure you, they really don't care about the score of showcase games. I will give you that coaches do check out teams that are winning a lot at a tournament, to see what the buzz is all about. However, if your son is not a major contributor on such a team, it could actually hurt him.
If anyone takes the time to search the internet, look for the Herm Edwards keynote address at the US Lacrosse National Conference from two years back. Watch the video of his presentation and then argue about the applicability of his lessons to youth sports. If you believe that he was an awful coach, perhaps we need to rethink what "coaching" is all about.
Did you see what he did with the jets? KC? Just because he memorized a speech, most likely written by someone else, and delivered it, still doesn't make him a good coach. There's a guy in DC right now that delivers great speeches too... have you taken a look at the country lately? Need I say more...
Anyone know how good Millon Force is going to be?
Last year they were terrible and 4 out of there 5 best players didn't come back. Tryout talent looked very weak on offense and in goal.
Lol at best C teams. They get beat up pretty good in B level tournaments.
PRESUMABLY....
winning teams go further in tourneys - leads to
playing against incredible competition - leads to
more exposure to college coaches there watching both teams - leads to
potential top tier colleges
and I forgot to mention that the teams that win a lot, for the most part, have coaches that can pick up a phone and contact most colleges coaches BECAUSE of having teams that win.
Expecting more exposure to college coaches since they are watching both teams demonstrates a misunderstanding of the recruiting process.
College coaches attend games to which they are both invited and where they have particular players that they have been invited to see. College coaches do not randomly show up at a youth game, championship or otherwise, hoping to just pick up a couple of players cold.
Planning your recruiting cycle on the premise that a coach will just notice your son (or daughter) because they have made a tournament finals will lead to failure. Researching your Top Ten Academic and Top Ten Athletic choices, writing to those coaches, and tracking their attendance at your games, championships or otherwise, will yield higher quality results.
Also, your correlation that only winning club coaches can contact college coaches is clearly an error. For every winning team, there is a losing team on the national or regional stage. Certainly, college coaches will recruit from both pools simply because they are recruiting players not teams. Think about it.
The amount of WINS doesn't mean anything at this age for all 2017 teams, its about getting noticed by the colleges. Learn the process before you talk stupid.
A famous Herm Edwards quote: "You play to win the game!"
And look where that got him.....at the 2017 age, you are looking to get exposure to college coaches, not necessarily win. Teams should be shooting for getting the boys exposure, which generally means equal playing time so all boys have an opporutnity to be seen.
At the 2017 age the boys should be focusing on gettng better and getting good grades. For most, it is too early for colleges to take notice.
PRESUMABLY....
winning teams go further in tourneys - leads to
playing against incredible competition - leads to
more exposure to college coaches there watching both teams - leads to
potential top tier colleges
and I forgot to mention that the teams that win a lot, for the most part, have coaches that can pick up a phone and contact most colleges coaches BECAUSE of having teams that win.
Expecting more exposure to college coaches since they are watching both teams demonstrates a misunderstanding of the recruiting process.
College coaches attend games to which they are both invited and where they have particular players that they have been invited to see. College coaches do not randomly show up at a youth game, championship or otherwise, hoping to just pick up a couple of players cold.
Planning your recruiting cycle on the premise that a coach will just notice your son (or daughter) because they have made a tournament finals will lead to failure. Researching your Top Ten Academic and Top Ten Athletic choices, writing to those coaches, and tracking their attendance at your games, championships or otherwise, will yield higher quality results.
Also, your correlation that only winning club coaches can contact college coaches is clearly an error. For every winning team, there is a losing team on the national or regional stage. Certainly, college coaches will recruit from both pools simply because they are recruiting players not teams. Think about it.
Actually, my son was noticed at a few different games by coaches who we did not contact as a Freshman. We didn't even know at the time that he should even be contacting coaches. From there we visited these schools and then accepted a great offer to a top D1 program. I know of other kids who had it happen the same way.
Many times a player is noticed because a good coaches eyes are wide open and catches a glimpse of another player either playing with or against a player the coach was initially looking at.
That has always happened and will always happen. Many times a player getting looked at has teammates just as deserving and garner interest by there support and play for the initial player. In addition, the player/s the intended player is covering/against is also by default being looking at. Both of those bring opportunities to players outside of the initial player.
PRESUMABLY....
winning teams go further in tourneys - leads to
playing against incredible competition - leads to
more exposure to college coaches there watching both teams - leads to
potential top tier colleges
and I forgot to mention that the teams that win a lot, for the most part, have coaches that can pick up a phone and contact most colleges coaches BECAUSE of having teams that win.
Expecting more exposure to college coaches since they are watching both teams demonstrates a misunderstanding of the recruiting process.
College coaches attend games to which they are both invited and where they have particular players that they have been invited to see. College coaches do not randomly show up at a youth game, championship or otherwise, hoping to just pick up a couple of players cold.
Planning your recruiting cycle on the premise that a coach will just notice your son (or daughter) because they have made a tournament finals will lead to failure. Researching your Top Ten Academic and Top Ten Athletic choices, writing to those coaches, and tracking their attendance at your games, championships or otherwise, will yield higher quality results.
Also, your correlation that only winning club coaches can contact college coaches is clearly an error. For every winning team, there is a losing team on the national or regional stage. Certainly, college coaches will recruit from both pools simply because they are recruiting players not teams. Think about it.
Actually, my son was noticed at a few different games by coaches who we did not contact as a Freshman. We didn't even know at the time that he should even be contacting coaches. From there we visited these schools and then accepted a great offer to a top D1 program. I know of other kids who had it happen the same way.
The amount of WINS doesn't mean anything at this age for all 2017 teams, its about getting noticed by the colleges. Learn the process before you talk stupid.
A famous Herm Edwards quote: "You play to win the game!"
And look where that got him.....at the 2017 age, you are looking to get exposure to college coaches, not necessarily win. Teams should be shooting for getting the boys exposure, which generally means equal playing time so all boys have an opporutnity to be seen.
equal playing time?? how funny would it be if every kid had a turn playing the lead role in their hs musical? Thanks for making me laugh.
You just don't get it. It's a recruiting showcase! Everyone gets seen.
It's like the audition for your musical!
Please List the fall tournaments that are the Real top recruiting, that play to a champion.
I believe it is ZERO
The amount of WINS doesn't mean anything at this age for all 2017 teams, its about getting noticed by the colleges. Learn the process before you talk stupid.
A famous Herm Edwards quote: "You play to win the game!"
And look where that got him.....at the 2017 age, you are looking to get exposure to college coaches, not necessarily win. Teams should be shooting for getting the boys exposure, which generally means equal playing time so all boys have an opporutnity to be seen.
equal playing time?? how funny would it be if every kid had a turn playing the lead role in their hs musical? Thanks for making me laugh.
You just don't get it. It's a recruiting showcase! Everyone gets seen.
It's like the audition for your musical!
Great analogy. Many teams when hitting the recruiting trail tell their players "if you feel you're not getting enough play time or a short shift, let us (coaches) know we'll make sure you get time". Also, teams will give players more time even over more skilled players when they know a coach is there to see a specific player. Why would any parent pay to be on a team, regardless of how good it is, if the kid is not playing in front of the coaches? It's all about playing good competition and playing time. It's about getting exposure in front of the college coaches. This is why you're seeing more and more growth in the individual showcases and college specific prospect and clinic days. If you're worried about W-L, go to the 2020-2022 threads, seems like you're more in tune with that crowd.
The amount of WINS doesn't mean anything at this age for all 2017 teams, its about getting noticed by the colleges. Learn the process before you talk stupid.
A famous Herm Edwards quote: "You play to win the game!"
And look where that got him.....at the 2017 age, you are looking to get exposure to college coaches, not necessarily win. Teams should be shooting for getting the boys exposure, which generally means equal playing time so all boys have an opporutnity to be seen.
equal playing time?? how funny would it be if every kid had a turn playing the lead role in their hs musical? Thanks for making me laugh.
You just don't get it. It's a recruiting showcase! Everyone gets seen.
It's like the audition for your musical!
Great analogy. Many teams when hitting the recruiting trail tell their players "if you feel you're not getting enough play time or a short shift, let us (coaches) know we'll make sure you get time". Also, teams will give players more time even over more skilled players when they know a coach is there to see a specific player. Why would any parent pay to be on a team, regardless of how good it is, if the kid is not playing in front of the coaches? It's all about playing good competition and playing time. It's about getting exposure in front of the college coaches. This is why you're seeing more and more growth in the individual showcases and college specific prospect and clinic days. If you're worried about W-L, go to the 2020-2022 threads, seems like you're more in tune with that crowd.
You asked a good question that continues to baffle me. Why would parents pay $$ for Their kid to be on a team and not play. I seem to recall last year that was a big issue with some top teams. I somehow think they thought there was value being associated with the "top" instead of the b or c teams. I also think of summer tourneys as tourneys. They are not showcases. That word is thrown around way too much and it could confuse the simple minds.
We all know the top a division teams like express 91 true blue fl$ jesters outlaws etc.
but what are the top b division teams for 2017?
Question, and a serious one. With all the showcases, recruiting camps and "all star" games that will go on next summer. How important are these travel team tournaments ?
There is a packed summer, just with camps and showcases.
Please List the fall tournaments that are the Real top recruiting, that play to a champion.
I believe it is ZERO
FYI that's an NCAA regulation
We all know the top a division teams like express 91 true blue fl$ jesters outlaws etc.
but what are the top b division teams for 2017?
Jesters a top A team? That's hysterical!
Having gone through it with my older son, when you go to individual showcases or prospect camps, players are randomly divided up on different teams, some teams happen to be a lot stronger than others. No one is watching the scoreboard, they are watching the individuals. (Ironically, defensemen love being on the weaker teams because they see a lot more action.) Ahead of the fall (individual and team) showcases, coaches have a 'watchlist' of players based on profile questionaires, discussions w/ club coaches, maybe Brine or Jake Reed, etc. Although everyone will get a look, coaches do have several kids on their radar that they plan on watching first.
Not one person said they are not playing to win. The point is that it doesn't matter who wins as long as you are competitive and you showcase your talents. College coaches rarely stay for a whole game and they really don't care what the score is.
PRESUMABLY....
winning teams go further in tourneys - leads to
playing against incredible competition - leads to
more exposure to college coaches there watching both teams - leads to
potential top tier colleges
and I forgot to mention that the teams that win a lot, for the most part, have coaches that can pick up a phone and contact most colleges coaches BECAUSE of having teams that win.
We all know the top a division teams like express 91 true blue fl$ jesters outlaws etc.
but what are the top b division teams for 2017?
Jesters a top A team? That's hysterical!
I guess your son is already committed to Johns Hopkins? Jesters are fine, they were very competitive at the A level last summer, pretty even with Outlaws and fl$ and gave 91 Orange a decent run at the LI Lax fest. Let me guess what team your son is on? Whats actually hysterical is how you actually think any of this actually matters, get a life.
[quote=Anonymous]We all know the top a division teams like express 91 true blue fl$ jesters outlaws etc.
but what are the top b division teams for 2017?
Jesters a top A team? That's hysterical!
I guess your son is already committed to Johns Hopkins? Jesters are fine, they were very competitive at the A level last summer, pretty even with Outlaws and fl$ and gave 91 Orange a decent run at the LI Lax fest. Let me guess what team your son is on? Whats actually hysterical is how you actually think any of this actually matters, get a life.
Jesters also gave True Blue a good game in the JDF. Couldn't control that one midfielder ,otherwise very close game. Good things to come this year.
stop saying colleges dont care... cause if you cant win, your club's players won't be seen in the first place.... no tourny invite... get it??
stop saying colleges dont care... cause if you cant win, your club's players won't be seen in the first place.... no tourny invite... get it??
THEY DON'T CARE.
Any mailed invites yet for JR summer 2014 showcase?
stop saying colleges dont care... cause if you cant win, your club's players won't be seen in the first place.... no tourny invite... get it??
THEY DON'T CARE.
You two are like two ships passing in the night. You are both probably correct. Coaches don't care about the actual score or record of a team but they do care about seeing kids play against the best competition (e.g., the other best kids). This can only happen if the team does well overall or has a great reputation and can make it to the most competitive tournaments. I can tell you first hand, for example, coaches will watch Crabs play Dukes.
Terrapin Classic Tournament this weekend for 2017s: some good teams and competition. From LI: Team 91, LI Express, NJ: Leading Edge, MD: Madlax, FCA,Rock Elite, Breakers ,West coast: West Coast Starz, Philly: Dukes, Freedom, NXT. Great exposure and great competition.
Or maybe they are both wrong
stop saying colleges dont care... cause if you cant win, your club's players won't be seen in the first place.... no tourny invite... get it??
THEY DON'T CARE.
You two are like two ships passing in the night. You are both probably correct. Coaches don't care about the actual score or record of a team but they do care about seeing kids play against the best competition (e.g., the other best kids). This can only happen if the team does well overall or has a great reputation and can make it to the most competitive tournaments. I can tell you first hand, for example, coaches will watch Crabs play Dukes.
Sick and tired of people trying to mention the Jesters in the same sentence as 91 orange and True Blue..that is completely false the jesters did not do anything against Tb and 91 orange handled them easily..
Terrapin Classic Tournament this weekend for 2017s: some good teams and competition. From LI: Team 91, LI Express, NJ: Leading Edge, MD: Madlax, FCA,Rock Elite, Breakers ,West coast: West Coast Starz, Philly: Dukes, Freedom, NXT. Great exposure and great competition.
Most of the top teams and D1 coaches will be at Quakerfest in philly
Sick and tired of people trying to mention the Jesters in the same sentence as 91 orange and True Blue..that is completely false the jesters did not do anything against Tb and 91 orange handled them easily..
91 orange won by 3 over Jesters at LI laxfest. If you want you can call that easily go ahead. You may be sick and tired, but true. As many of the kids are friends, they all thought a good game.
Last year, move on. All teams this year start with many new players, and even with that who really gives a s..t. The kids are high school players now, time to let them grow up, youth lacrosse is over.
Terrapin Classic Tournament this weekend for 2017s: some good teams and competition. From LI: Team 91, LI Express, NJ: Leading Edge, MD: Madlax, FCA,Rock Elite, Breakers ,West coast: West Coast Starz, Philly: Dukes, Freedom, NXT. Great exposure and great competition.
Most of the top teams and D1 coaches will be at Quakerfest in philly
that is for 2015s and 2016s. Best 2017 teams are going to the tournament above - see Dukes, Team 91, LI Express, West Coast Starz, FCA, Leading Edge, etc. those are many of the best 2017 teams. Some other good one going to Cottle Classic.
Terrapin Classic Tournament this weekend for 2017s: some good teams and competition. From LI: Team 91, LI Express, NJ: Leading Edge, MD: Madlax, FCA,Rock Elite, Breakers ,West coast: West Coast Starz, Philly: Dukes, Freedom, NXT. Great exposure and great competition.
Most of the top teams and D1 coaches will be at Quakerfest in philly
that is for 2015s and 2016s. Best 2017 teams are going to the tournament above - see Dukes, Team 91, LI Express, West Coast Starz, FCA, Leading Edge, etc. those are many of the best 2017 teams. Some other good one going to Cottle Classic.
Which one is WM Gold Elite going to?
BBL Black 2017 out of New Jersey is a top team
List of boys going to Philly was released.
By position
Attack: 56
Middies: 65
Defense: 43
LSM: 13
G: 16
Total 193
Teams with most attendees
3D 22
NXT 16
LIE 8
Team 91 8
Leading Edge 7
From these states
NY 44
PA 36
NJ 24
MA 23
CT 12
CA 8
MD 6
TX 5
Others 35
Interesting there so few are from MD and VA. It appears no one came from the Crabs and only three from Dukes
Schools (though the information is not as conclusive)
Episcopal Academy 8 (all from NXT and Dukes)
Brunswick 6 (NE Storm)
St. Anthony's 3 (LIE)
Chaminade 2 (fl$ & LIE)
And it wouldn't be appropriate not to mention something about the Turtles: I saw only 2 players going to Philly who were from those currently listed on the turtles' website. Yes, their roster has changed.
Let the analysis begin...
List of boys going to Philly was released.
By position
Attack: 56
Middies: 65
Defense: 43
LSM: 13
G: 16
Total 193
Teams with most attendees
3D 22
NXT 16
LIE 8
Team 91 8
Leading Edge 7
From these states
NY 44
PA 36
NJ 24
MA 23
CT 12
CA 8
MD 6
TX 5
Others 35
Interesting there so few are from MD and VA. It appears no one came from the Crabs and only three from Dukes
Schools (though the information is not as conclusive)
Episcopal Academy 8 (all from NXT and Dukes)
Brunswick 6 (NE Storm)
St. Anthony's 3 (LIE)
Chaminade 2 (fl$ & LIE)
And it wouldn't be appropriate not to mention something about the Turtles: I saw only 2 players going to Philly who were from those currently listed on the turtles' website. Yes, their roster has changed.
Let the analysis begin...
There shouldn't be any turtles - the website says its only for current Sophomores and Juniors ie. 2015/2016. If there are 2017s on the list (I quickly flipped through and didn't see any 2017s) that means they are taking away opportunities for somebody else who the showcase is intended for.
List of boys going to Philly was released.
By position
Attack: 56
Middies: 65
Defense: 43
LSM: 13
G: 16
Total 193
Teams with most attendees
3D 22
NXT 16
LIE 8
Team 91 8
Leading Edge 7
From these states
NY 44
PA 36
NJ 24
MA 23
CT 12
CA 8
MD 6
TX 5
Others 35
Interesting there so few are from MD and VA. It appears no one came from the Crabs and only three from Dukes
Schools (though the information is not as conclusive)
Episcopal Academy 8 (all from NXT and Dukes)
Brunswick 6 (NE Storm)
St. Anthony's 3 (LIE)
Chaminade 2 (fl$ & LIE)
And it wouldn't be appropriate not to mention something about the Turtles: I saw only 2 players going to Philly who were from those currently listed on the turtles' website. Yes, their roster has changed.
Let the analysis begin...
There shouldn't be any turtles - the website says its only for current Sophomores and Juniors ie. 2015/2016. If there are 2017s on the list (I quickly flipped through and didn't see any 2017s) that means they are taking away opportunities for somebody else who the showcase is intended for.
Pal, you got the wrong tourney. This one IS ONLY for 2017's.
List of boys going to Philly was released.
By position
Attack: 56
Middies: 65
Defense: 43
LSM: 13
G: 16
Total 193
Teams with most attendees
3D 22
NXT 16
LIE 8
Team 91 8
Leading Edge 7
From these states
NY 44
PA 36
NJ 24
MA 23
CT 12
CA 8
MD 6
TX 5
Others 35
Interesting there so few are from MD and VA. It appears no one came from the Crabs and only three from Dukes
Schools (though the information is not as conclusive)
Episcopal Academy 8 (all from NXT and Dukes)
Brunswick 6 (NE Storm)
St. Anthony's 3 (LIE)
Chaminade 2 (fl$ & LIE)
And it wouldn't be appropriate not to mention something about the Turtles: I saw only 2 players going to Philly who were from those currently listed on the turtles' website. Yes, their roster has changed.
Let the analysis begin...
There shouldn't be any turtles - the website says its only for current Sophomores and Juniors ie. 2015/2016. If there are 2017s on the list (I quickly flipped through and didn't see any 2017s) that means they are taking away opportunities for somebody else who the showcase is intended for.
It's called the "FRESHMAN" Philly showcase....
I would suggest that the lack of large number of boys from any of the major lax schools means attendance at this showcase is largely driven by club coaches. Either that or boys from those schools don't feel like they need the exposure.
I would suggest that the lack of large number of boys from any of the major lax schools means attendance at this showcase is largely driven by club coaches. Either that or boys from those schools don't feel like they need the exposure.
Probably because most high school coaches focus is on the current 10th and 11th graders from a recruiting standpoint. Maybe havent even seen the rising 8th graders.
Club coaches are dedicated to their team and age group and can put in the effort for them at this age.
Does anyone know how many teams they will make from the 193 players?
Does anyone know how many teams they will make from the 193 players?
Terrapin Classic 2017s: Leading Edge over 91 5-4
Does anyone know how many teams they will make from the 193 players?
Terrapin Classic 2017s: Leading Edge over 91 5-4
who else did 91 play?
What are you talking about, rising 8th graders at this point is 2019 - current 7th grade???
I would suggest that the lack of large number of boys from any of the major lax schools means attendance at this showcase is largely driven by club coaches. Either that or boys from those schools don't feel like they need the exposure.
Probably because most high school coaches focus is on the current 10th and 11th graders from a recruiting standpoint. Maybe havent even seen the rising 8th graders.
Club coaches are dedicated to their team and age group and can put in the effort for them at this age.
HS Coaches can focus on whatever they want.
The fact is, College Coaches are looking at 2017's.
I would suggest that the lack of large number of boys from any of the major lax schools means attendance at this showcase is largely driven by club coaches. Either that or boys from those schools don't feel like they need the exposure.
OR the most obvious reason, they weren't INVITED. Philly individual Frosh Showcase is a INVITE only - pay attention.
This summer's US Lacrosse U15 national championship will be all the way out in Colorado. Is there any reason to try and qualify for this tournament?
From 2016/2017 the teams that went last year, was there any college coaching exposure?
Any other College talk besides the North Carolina Boys?
Seem to be other options that weekend. Besides Philly we have the Diamond Showcase in Maryland and Top 205 in Delaware. Why do these organizers do it on the same weekend?
What are you talking about, rising 8th graders at this point is 2019 - current 7th grade???
I would suggest that the lack of large number of boys from any of the major lax schools means attendance at this showcase is largely driven by club coaches. Either that or boys from those schools don't feel like they need the exposure.
Probably because most high school coaches focus is on the current 10th and 11th graders from a recruiting standpoint. Maybe havent even seen the rising 8th graders.
Club coaches are dedicated to their team and age group and can put in the effort for them at this age.
2018 were rising 8th last summer when the last time the teams played....the new teams haven't played yet. A high school coach would have to have watched his 7th grade teams last summer to put in recommendations now for the class of 2018 or watch the middle school for the majority of the 2017 class. Not going to happen....that is why club teams need to do it.
Yes there is some early 2017 recruiting going on but the majority will occur starting next summer for the next 1 1/2 years for the bulk of the 2017 kids
I would suggest that the lack of large number of boys from any of the major lax schools means attendance at this showcase is largely driven by club coaches. Either that or boys from those schools don't feel like they need the exposure.
OR the most obvious reason, they weren't INVITED. Philly individual Frosh Showcase is a INVITE only - pay attention.
While this is an invitation only event, you have to ask yourself how they get invited. Certainly not out of thin air. These kids are promoted by their club coaches. This fact addresses the issue in part of the value of participating in club teams.
Yes there is some early 2017 recruiting going on but the majority will occur starting next summer for the next 1 1/2 years for the bulk of the 2017 kids
The Class of 2017 will be getting some of their first looks at next weekend's K&J Athletics Red Storm Showcase-Clinic at St. John's University - more than 50 colleges are already confirmed for attendance.
I don't see much chatter, how did LI Express and Team 91 fare at the Terrapin Fall Classic? The lack of buzz tells me they didn't do so well
Close to 100 coaches (and all of D1)will be at SWR Fall Classic at Farmingdale College on 11/24 (same weekend as Philly and Diamond). Best Long Island HS playing in this. Not club.
I don't see much chatter, how did LI Express and Team 91 fare at the Terrapin Fall Classic? The lack of buzz tells me they didn't do so well
Really? Recruiting guy, not about club team chest thumping. Go to the 2019 thread for that BS.
So all of the 63 Division 1 colleges will be at this Farmingdale Tournament on Nov 23/24?. I find that hard to believe the same weekend of the Philly Showcase, Diamond and Top 205?
Close to 100 coaches (and all of D1)will be at SWR Fall Classic at Farmingdale College on 11/24 (same weekend as Philly and Diamond). Best Long Island HS playing in this. Not club.
Clubs not invited, wouldn't expect them to be at SWR. Most of the HS teams don't include boys graduating in 2017. Colleges are starting to look at this class. If a 2017 boy wants to get noticed one place to be is Philly and the main way to get there is through club coach nominations, not HS coach nominations. HS coaches are focused on 206/15 and even if a 2017 boy was on a HS team, it's unlikely he would see much playing time. I'm sure this is a great recruiting venue, just for older kids.
I don't see much chatter, how did LI Express and Team 91 fare at the Terrapin Fall Classic? The lack of buzz tells me they didn't do so well
I think they both went 2-1 and every game was tight between all the 2017 teams there but WHO CARES? The chatter should be that the top D1 schools in the land were watching both 2017 club teams from 91 & Express, they were.
go to
www.swrlax.com website and see the coaches who were there last year. expect even more this year.
go to
www.swrlax.com website and see the coaches who were there last year. expect even more this year.
is there a 2017 bracket at SWR? how about a 2016?
I don't see much chatter, how did LI Express and Team 91 fare at the Terrapin Fall Classic? The lack of buzz tells me they didn't do so well
I think they both went 2-1 and every game was tight between all the 2017 teams there but WHO CARES? The chatter should be that the top D1 schools in the land were watching both 2017 club teams from 91 & Express, they were.
Express went 2-1, 91 went 1-2
National Top 175 to be held on Nov 26th ath Mitchell field just anounced that D1coaches will not be attending!!! Apparently a letter went out telling them not to attend mid-week showcases. Dissapointing to many hoping for some first looks. Maybe the Red Storm showcase this weekend is another option? Just won't be the same caliber invite ony players.
National Top 175 to be held on Nov 26th ath Mitchell field just anounced that D1coaches will not be attending!!! Apparently a letter went out telling them not to attend mid-week showcases. Dissapointing to many hoping for some first looks. Maybe the Red Storm showcase this weekend is another option? Just won't be the same caliber invite ony players.
Please share with the lacrosse community the letter that announces this change.
The NCAA Recruiting Calendar (posted on the College Forum) actually calls out that the recruiting Dead Period begins on Wednesday, November 27th for Division I coaches. This could either be a case of travel close to the deadline or a number of Division I cancellations.
Again, please share the letter.
GREETINGS TO EVERYONE ATTENDING THE NATIONAL INVITATIONAL 175 ON NOVEMBER 26TH, 2013 AT MITCHEL FIELD ON LONG ISLAND.
IMPORTANT DEVELOPMENTS – PLEASE READ
On Friday, November 1st, 2013, we learned that the IMLCA sent out a letter followed with direct emails to all the Division 1 and Division 2 coaches encouraging them NOT attend weekday showcases in November, including our November 26th showcase. While the NCAA clearly permits this showcase date as a contact period to do live recruiting, IMLCA stated that they urge all the D 1 and D 2 college coaches not to attend.
What is the IMLCA?
Intercollegiate Men’s Lacrosse Coaches Association. This is not the NCAA.
Why did the IMLCA do this?
Apparently, the IMLCA membership voted to not have D 1 college coaches observe and recruit from November showcases if they occur on a public school day or weekday.
Does every D 1 college coach support the IMLCA and will each of them support this decision?
We do not know.
Does the NCAA allow college coaches to recruit on November 26th?
YES.
Since most prep schools, many private schools, and even possibly some public schools are actually off that day, and you told them that, why is IMLCA still encouraging D 1 college coaches not to attend our showcase?
We do not know.
Will there be D 3 college coaches there?
YES, many.
Will there be D 1 college coaches attending this showcase anyway?
Maybe, we do not know at this time.
Why did you list those college coaches as planning to attend on your site?
Simple, we spoke to them over the past 30 -60 days and they each told us they would plan to attend this showcase and/or emailed us they were planning to attend.
Who governs the rules of college lacrosse recruiting?
The NCAA.
What role does the IMLCA play in this process?
We believe this is an organization of all college coaches, but we are not sure of their mandate.
Did this action taken by the IMLCA upset you, surprise you and what did you do about it?
When we were notified of this on Friday, November 1st, it was both extremely upsetting and surprising as the list of college coaches planning to attend was growing rapidly for this event up to that date. After speaking to several D 1 college coaches, we sent an extensive letter asking the IMLCA to reconsider their position.
Based on the above, is the showcase worth attending and why?
Yes, absolutely. There will be many D 3 college coaches there. At this point, we have no idea what D 1 or D 2 college coaches will do, but the NCAA permits recruiting on this date and it is the last date of 2013 that D 1 college coaches have as a live contact period.
There will also be tremendous competition and each full game will be filmed. Having quality video for creating highlight reels, especially coming from a highly competitive venue like this is, in our view, very valuable to your recruiting process.
Based on the above, if you would now rather not attend, we are willing to provide a full refund. However, this refund is only available until Thursday, November 7th at 1:00pm EST. After that time, there will no longer be any refunds offered. This will allow us to provide all those players on the waitlist ample time to register and fill those openings and for us to plan, should you choose to forfeit your spot. If you would like a full refund based on this news, and not attend, please email us at info@natinvite175.com.
In short, this development just happened. We highly respect the lacrosse coaches’ community and communicate with them quite often. Without getting into detail, this caught us by surprise. At the time of this letter, we really do not know what each D 1 college coach will do, but we do know that according to the NCAA, college coaches are allowed to attend our November 26th recruiting day and we also know that the talent assembled for this showcase will be excellent and we expect a very large turnout of college coaches coming from Division 3.
Once again, we felt that the right thing to do when learning of this news only this past Friday was to try to understand it and then quickly get this out to everyone and tell you what we know at this time. This development is upsetting but we believe that those who attend will have a great experience playing against great competition, being seen by many D 3 college coaches, gain great video and hopefully, some, if not many, D 1 coaches "may" actually show up. As we approach the Thanksgiving holiday, we are also proud to be supporting the Navy Seal Foundation and hopefully, the student athletes will learn more about this worthwhile charity.
Thank you and we look forward to seeing you this fall.
National Invitational 175
National Top 175 to be held on Nov 26th ath Mitchell field just anounced that D1coaches will not be attending!!! Apparently a letter went out telling them not to attend mid-week showcases. Dissapointing to many hoping for some first looks. Maybe the Red Storm showcase this weekend is another option? Just won't be the same caliber invite ony players.
Please share with the lacrosse community the letter that announces this change.
The NCAA Recruiting Calendar (posted on the College Forum) actually calls out that the recruiting Dead Period begins on Wednesday, November 27th for Division I coaches. This could either be a case of travel close to the deadline or a number of Division I cancellations.
Again, please share the letter.
Probably related to the article posted yesterday on Inside Lacrosse by John Jiloty "IMLCA Issues Statement Against Mid-Week Recruting Events". See insidelacrosse.com, 3rd article on website. Not good for Nat'l 175.
I emailed one div one coach who was listed as attending and he confirmed his school will not be represented.
I am still considering going since this was the only fall showcase my son was attending.
Rally stinks.....
I emailed one div one coach who was listed as attending and he confirmed his school will not be represented.
I am still considering going since this was the only fall showcase my son was attending.
Rally stinks.....
BOTC really appreciates the problems that this creates for many of the 2017 players. Is the K&J Athletics Red Storm Showcase Clinic on Sunday, November 10th an option for you?
There is nothing wrong with playing in front of a bunch of Div 3 coaches and I bet that some D1 schools will be there.
Probably related to the article posted yesterday on Inside Lacrosse by John Jiloty "IMLCA Issues Statement Against Mid-Week Recruting Events". See insidelacrosse.com, 3rd article on website. Not good for Nat'l 175.
BOTC has started a "What's Your View?" column on the Main Message Board covering this topic. We are securing additional information as it becomes available via press releases and other sources.
There is nothing wrong with playing in front of a bunch of Div 3 coaches and I bet that some D1 schools will be there.
Correct ... provided that those Division III coaches are actually in the Top Ten Academic or Athletic options selected by the student-athlete. If the attending coaches are not in the set of schools that one would consider, why attend the showcase and pay the associated fees?
There is nothing wrong with playing in front of a bunch of Div 3 coaches and I bet that some D1 schools will be there.
Correct ... provided that those Division III coaches are actually in the Top Ten Academic or Athletic options selected by the student-athlete. If the attending coaches are not in the set of schools that one would consider, why attend the showcase and pay the associated fees?
I for one, requested a refund. Too much money for nothing!
Why isn't anyone asking the question "why did they schedule this on a school day?" and also "why are people taking their children out of school for this?"
There are loads of Fall showcases that are NOT on a school day. So why go to this one?
I emailed one div one coach who was listed as attending and he confirmed his school will not be represented.
I am still considering going since this was the only fall showcase my son was attending.
Rally stinks.....
BOTC really appreciates the problems that this creates for many of the 2017 players. Is the K&J Athletics Red Storm Showcase Clinic on Sunday, November 10th an option for you?
BOTC has just spoken with the directors at K&J Athletics regarding the Red Storm Showcase-Clinic. We regret to inform the community that the Red Storm Showcase-Clinic is now SOLD OUT with their limit of 300 positions having been reached.
Why isn't anyone asking the question "why did they schedule this on a school day?" and also "why are people taking their children out of school for this?"
There are loads of Fall showcases that are NOT on a school day. So why go to this one?
Awesome point. Is the answer related to the primary organizers being aligned with private schools that have that day off? Public schools be damned.
Jake reed direct invites for summer program (2014) are out for the 2017's.
Why isn't anyone asking the question "why did they schedule this on a school day?" and also "why are people taking their children out of school for this?"
There are loads of Fall showcases that are NOT on a school day. So why go to this one?
Awesome point. Is the answer related to the primary organizers being aligned with private schools that have that day off? Public schools be damned.
If by private schools you are referring to Kellenberg, Chaminade and St. Anthony's, all three have classes on the 26th. So it's clearly not a public vs private issue.
Jake Reed invites for summer 2014 are not out!!!
Why isn't anyone asking the question "why did they schedule this on a school day?" and also "why are people taking their children out of school for this?"
There are loads of Fall showcases that are NOT on a school day. So why go to this one?
Awesome point. Is the answer related to the primary organizers being aligned with private schools that have that day off? Public schools be damned.
If by private schools you are referring to Kellenberg, Chaminade and St. Anthony's, all three have classes on the 26th. So it's clearly not a public vs private issue.
Well then. I guess its just a misguided assumption on the part of the money grabbers that missing classes that day is more tolerable than any other day. And don't be so narrow in your definition of private schools - The folks running the 175 are aligned with the prep schools that all have that entire week off leading up to Thanksgiving. This is clearly geared towards those kids.
And don't be so narrow in your definition of private schools - The folks running the 175 are aligned with the prep schools that all have that entire week off leading up to Thanksgiving. This is clearly geared towards those kids.
Which is why the event was planned for Mitchel Field in Uniondale ... because of the number of local prep schools?
The IMLCA established this September 1st to May 1st embargo on during the week events without regard for the NCAA Recruiting Calendar. The problem that BOTC sees here is quite simple : who is driving the collegiate recruiting rules? IMLCA or NCAA?
Ask yourselves why the IMLCA did NOT take their decision directly to the NCAA Compliance committee. Ask yourselves why the IMLCA has chosen to play their cards now.
Why isn't anyone asking the question "why did they schedule this on a school day?" and also "why are people taking their children out of school for this?"
There are loads of Fall showcases that are NOT on a school day. So why go to this one?
Awesome point. Is the answer related to the primary organizers being aligned with private schools that have that day off? Public schools be damned.
If by private schools you are referring to Kellenberg, Chaminade and St. Anthony's, all three have classes on the 26th. So it's clearly not a public vs private issue.
Well then. I guess its just a misguided assumption on the part of the money grabbers that missing classes that day is more tolerable than any other day. And don't be so narrow in your definition of private schools - The folks running the 175 are aligned with the prep schools that all have that entire week off leading up to Thanksgiving. This is clearly geared towards those kids.
Bottom line is that kids are hurt by this. The timing is disgraceful to all involved.
There shouldn't be any events scheduled on SCHOOL days! Skipping school to go to one of these events is not in any way the same as missing some classes and still getting credit for them to go to a SCHOOL event or game.
There shouldn't be any events scheduled on SCHOOL days! Skipping school to go to one of these events is not in any way the same as missing some classes and still getting credit for them to go to a SCHOOL event or game.
How do you know that the event was not planned for 3:00pm until 10:00pm since it was under the lights at Mitchel Field? BOTC never saw a schedule - did you?
There shouldn't be any events scheduled on SCHOOL days! Skipping school to go to one of these events is not in any way the same as missing some classes and still getting credit for them to go to a SCHOOL event or game.
How do you know that the event was not planned for 3:00pm until 10:00pm since it was under the lights at Mitchel Field? BOTC never saw a schedule - did you?
So you are saying it is ok for kids to go to athleitic events endorsed by the school district and miss academic classes, but not others. Stupid statement!!
Jake Reed invites for summer 2014 are not out!!!
ummmm, yes they are
Jake Reed invites for summer 2014 are not out!!!
Yes they are, at least for some. My son has not heard anything but I know Jake Reed actually called some kids last night to extent the invites personally.
There shouldn't be any events scheduled on SCHOOL days! Skipping school to go to one of these events is not in any way the same as missing some classes and still getting credit for them to go to a SCHOOL event or game.
How so?
There shouldn't be any events scheduled on SCHOOL days! Skipping school to go to one of these events is not in any way the same as missing some classes and still getting credit for them to go to a SCHOOL event or game.
How so?
If you're missing academic instuction for sports, makes no difference wheter it's school related or not. Teachers do not reteach a special lesson for atheletes. The result is the same. You missed class and are responsible to make up the work. Period. It's called pros and cons, a part of life!
Yes they are and we got one!!!
My son received his Summer invite today by mail. Dates are 6/24-6/26.
[quote=Anonymous]There shouldn't be any events scheduled on SCHOOL days! Skipping school to go to one of these events is not in any way the same as missing some classes and still getting credit for them to go to a SCHOOL event or game.
The thing I find most amusing is that I did not hear one single complaint about the kids missing school or the "aligned with private schools" statement prior to the IMLCA notification. Suddenly it's a big conspiracy! Gimme me a break!!!
New this whole recruiting thing. How do you get invited to the Jake Reed camp? Recommendation? Pay to attend? Some special tryout?
Thanks
There are three ways to get in:
1> The boys that have just been notified went to one of the Nike 3D weekends in Florida last January. From those weekends, about 100 players were selected from several regions to attend Jake Reed's Rising Freshman in MD this past July. Out of the 100 boys at Jake Reed, about 50 of them were invited to attend JR Rising Sophmores for this coming June.
2> 3D is once again holding tryouts this January in Florida for a chance at an invite to June's Jake Reed Rising Sophs .
3> And lastly, in the prior years, the head directors of the bigger club programs were asked to recommend a few top players who did not go through the 3D process.
New this whole recruiting thing. How do you get invited to the Jake Reed camp? Recommendation? Pay to attend? Some special tryout?
Thanks
Nice tourny down in Phili this weekend--
crabs, express, sweetlax, dukes/big 4, leading edge and one or two more...
Thank you! I assume this is one for the premier events.
Nice tourny down in Phili this weekend--
crabs, express, sweetlax, dukes/big 4, leading edge and one or two more...
Dukes/Crabs in final. Leading Edge lost to Dukes by 1 and beat HeadStrong and Sweetlax to come in 3rd. LI Express lost to Sweetlax I think and played in 3rd place game. Good competition all the way around.
Nice tourny down in Phili this weekend--
crabs, express, sweetlax, dukes/big 4, leading edge and one or two more...
Dukes/Crabs in final. Leading Edge lost to Dukes by 1 and beat HeadStrong and Sweetlax to come in 3rd. LI Express lost to Sweetlax I think and played in 3rd place game. Good competition all the way around.
Head LI Express lost 12-1 to Crabs and 5-3 to Sweetlax. Don't know how they did in last game vs. Headstrong,
Outlaws beat West Coast Starz in OT at UPLAX. Great game.
Any reports on how many coaches on the sidelines ? What schools were represented?
Nice tourny down in Phili this weekend--
crabs, express, sweetlax, dukes/big 4, leading edge and one or two more...
Dukes/Crabs in final. Leading Edge lost to Dukes by 1 and beat HeadStrong and Sweetlax to come in 3rd. LI Express lost to Sweetlax I think and played in 3rd place game. Good competition all the way around.
Head LI Express lost 12-1 to Crabs and 5-3 to Sweetlax. Don't know how they did in last game vs. Headstrong,
How many of the Crab players drove themselves home? Or did they just go to the local pub and discuss the game? LOL, I know, they're all 2017. It's just getting so ridiculous now. Ya know, cause LI teams just don't know how to play lacrosse anymore... All of a sudden the crabs are blowing out Express. Gee what happened? Oh wait, this is the year down in MD they all repeat 9th grade in prep school because they were in 9th grade last year in public school, on top of being held back a year in kindergarten. Still 2017, all good. So most of the kids are 16 and 17 years old playing our 14 year olds. No wait I'm sorry, the MD kids just hit the wall more and are better than our kids, and are genetically more gifted with size and speed,that must be it. Why do we continue to support these tournaments??? We really need to start demanding these things go age based. One last thing... Why won't the crabs enter this exact team into the U-15 championship??? Hmmmm, what could the reason be?
Nice tourny down in Phili this weekend--
crabs, express, sweetlax, dukes/big 4, leading edge and one or two more...
Dukes/Crabs in final. Leading Edge lost to Dukes by 1 and beat HeadStrong and Sweetlax to come in 3rd. LI Express lost to Sweetlax I think and played in 3rd place game. Good competition all the way around.
Head LI Express lost 12-1 to Crabs and 5-3 to Sweetlax. Don't know how they did in last game vs. Headstrong,
Express beat headstrong 9-5
Nice tourny down in Phili this weekend--
crabs, express, sweetlax, dukes/big 4, leading edge and one or two more...
Dukes/Crabs in final. Leading Edge lost to Dukes by 1 and beat HeadStrong and Sweetlax to come in 3rd. LI Express lost to Sweetlax I think and played in 3rd place game. Good competition all the way around.
Head LI Express lost 12-1 to Crabs and 5-3 to Sweetlax. Don't know how they did in last game vs. Headstrong,
How many of the Crab players drove themselves home? Or did they just go to the local pub and discuss the game? LOL, I know, they're all 2017. It's just getting so ridiculous now. Ya know, cause LI teams just don't know how to play lacrosse anymore... All of a sudden the crabs are blowing out Express. Gee what happened? Oh wait, this is the year down in MD they all repeat 9th grade in prep school because they were in 9th grade last year in public school, on top of being held back a year in kindergarten. Still 2017, all good. So most of the kids are 16 and 17 years old playing our 14 year olds. No wait I'm sorry, the MD kids just hit the wall more and are better than our kids, and are genetically more gifted with size and speed,that must be it. Why do we continue to support these tournaments??? We really need to start demanding these things go age based. One last thing... Why won't the crabs enter this exact team into the U-15 championship??? Hmmmm, what could the reason be?
Oh the same old refrain. Was that the excuse last weekend at the Terrpain Fall Classic when they didn't play the Crabs and lost? For the Sweetlax loss 5-3 at the Big 4 yesterday?
Nice tourny down in Phili this weekend--
crabs, express, sweetlax, dukes/big 4, leading edge and one or two more...
Dukes/Crabs in final. Leading Edge lost to Dukes by 1 and beat HeadStrong and Sweetlax to come in 3rd. LI Express lost to Sweetlax I think and played in 3rd place game. Good competition all the way around.
Head LI Express lost 12-1 to Crabs and 5-3 to Sweetlax. Don't know how they did in last game vs. Headstrong,
Actually LI express came in 5th out of 6 teams and lost 2 of 3 games. However, the focus is on recruiting in these November events but the clubs definately want to win.
Was at NSCLA tournament today and Turtles looked really good (not affiliated with Turtles whatsoever. Beat Crabs very handily and I believe went undefeated on the day. Leading Edge in NJ also went undefeated I hard, I think only 2 teams undefeated on day at 2017 level.
Nice tourny down in Phili this weekend--
crabs, express, sweetlax, dukes/big 4, leading edge and one or two more...
Dukes/Crabs in final. Leading Edge lost to Dukes by 1 and beat HeadStrong and Sweetlax to come in 3rd. LI Express lost to Sweetlax I think and played in 3rd place game. Good competition all the way around.
How did the Turtles do today?
Head LI Express lost 12-1 to Crabs and 5-3 to Sweetlax. Don't know how they did in last game vs. Headstrong,
Actually LI express came in 5th out of 6 teams and lost 2 of 3 games. However, the focus is on recruiting in these November events but the clubs definately want to win.
What colleges were at Hofstra showcase yesterday? I saw a bunch.
What colleges were at Hofstra showcase yesterday? I saw a bunch.
Remember that more than 60 coaches were in town yesterday for the Red Storm Showcase-Clinic at St. John's University. BOTC would not be surprised if there was overlap between that K&J Athletic's event (held yesterday afternoon) and anything conducted elsewhere on the Island this weekend.
What colleges were at Hofstra showcase yesterday? I saw a bunch.
If you saw them why are you asking? Please tell us who you saw and define "a bunch".
What 2017 Teams played at Hofstra?
Anyone know anything about an upcoming tournament at Kellenberg? Heard about it but cant find any info on it.
Scores posted on Crabs twitter feed from NSCLA tournament this weekend in Maryland. Turtles and Leading Edge (NJ) only two undefeated 2017 teams, LI Outlaws went 0-3. Turtles crushed Crabs 8-2. Day before at Big 4 (Dukes) tournament in Philly, Dukes won the championship over Crabs, Leading Edge came in 3rd (2-1), LI Express went 1-2 beating Headstrong but losing to Sweetlax and Crabs 12-1. Just posting the results, realize it is only the Fall and focus is on recruting. However, we also know teams would prefer to win if possible.
Saw the Outlaws play yesterday. They are really a marginal team.
Have the 2015 and 2017 invites to Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip Summer 2014 been sent out yet? The responses on this thread say "soon", but they were posted from a month ago.....Any update? We have the fall invites in hand, but have heard nothing about summer....
Will playing well at fall help for the summer?
Summer JR invites are out.
I do know of 2017 kids who received the direct invite. They came in the mail last week.
Nice tourny down in Phili this weekend--
crabs, express, sweetlax, dukes/big 4, leading edge and one or two more...
Dukes/Crabs in final. Leading Edge lost to Dukes by 1 and beat HeadStrong and Sweetlax to come in 3rd. LI Express lost to Sweetlax I think and played in 3rd place game. Good competition all the way around.
Head LI Express lost 12-1 to Crabs and 5-3 to Sweetlax. Don't know how they did in last game vs. Headstrong,
How many of the Crab players drove themselves home? Or did they just go to the local pub and discuss the game? LOL, I know, they're all 2017. It's just getting so ridiculous now. Ya know, cause LI teams just don't know how to play lacrosse anymore... All of a sudden the crabs are blowing out Express. Gee what happened? Oh wait, this is the year down in MD they all repeat 9th grade in prep school because they were in 9th grade last year in public school, on top of being held back a year in kindergarten. Still 2017, all good. So most of the kids are 16 and 17 years old playing our 14 year olds. No wait I'm sorry, the MD kids just hit the wall more and are better than our kids, and are genetically more gifted with size and speed,that must be it. Why do we continue to support these tournaments??? We really need to start demanding these things go age based. One last thing... Why won't the crabs enter this exact team into the U-15 championship??? Hmmmm, what could the reason be?
My son played in this tournament (still 13 years old) and my opinion is you play against kids in your graduation year, the college coaches don't seem to care what year you were born but they do care what yer you are graduating. Play the hand you were dealt.
Key Dukes Players were at the Duke Prospect Camp on Sunday. Dukes 2017 Goalie looked good.
Yes we got a jake reed nike blue chip FALL invite for my 2015 and my 2017 on nov 23 and 24.....my 2017 will be passing up the team philly showcase event on nov 24 to do it... is that a wise move? can you do one day of jake reed (nov 23) and then leave and do nov 24? Where do you the think the D1 coaches will be? Will the fall blue chip be well attended by D1 coaches?
Invite only...
Anyone know anything about an upcoming tournament at Kellenberg? Heard about it but cant find any info on it.
Key Dukes Players were at the Duke Prospect Camp on Sunday. Dukes 2017 Goalie looked good.
I heard the kids attending looked weak, another money grab!
Nice tourny down in Phili this weekend--
crabs, express, sweetlax, dukes/big 4, leading edge and one or two more...
Dukes/Crabs in final. Leading Edge lost to Dukes by 1 and beat HeadStrong and Sweetlax to come in 3rd. LI Express lost to Sweetlax I think and played in 3rd place game. Good competition all the way around.
Head LI Express lost 12-1 to Crabs and 5-3 to Sweetlax. Don't know how they did in last game vs. Headstrong,
How many of the Crab players drove themselves home? Or did they just go to the local pub and discuss the game? LOL, I know, they're all 2017. It's just getting so ridiculous now. Ya know, cause LI teams just don't know how to play lacrosse anymore... All of a sudden the crabs are blowing out Express. Gee what happened? Oh wait, this is the year down in MD they all repeat 9th grade in prep school because they were in 9th grade last year in public school, on top of being held back a year in kindergarten. Still 2017, all good. So most of the kids are 16 and 17 years old playing our 14 year olds. No wait I'm sorry, the MD kids just hit the wall more and are better than our kids, and are genetically more gifted with size and speed,that must be it. Why do we continue to support these tournaments??? We really need to start demanding these things go age based. One last thing... Why won't the crabs enter this exact team into the U-15 championship??? Hmmmm, what could the reason be?
My son played in this tournament (still 13 years old) and my opinion is you play against kids in your graduation year, the college coaches don't seem to care what year you were born but they do care what yer you are graduating. Play the hand you were dealt.
I have nothing to do with 2017 but your comment "play the hand you were dealt" is in direct contradiction to the previous poster's comment. The problem is a lot of people arent playing the hand they were dealt, but rather holding there kids back to play against younger competition. that just isnt fair. But, there are not rules against it so why doesnt everyone just hold their kids back a year and then see if anyone uses that logic to hold their kids back two years.
Nice tourny down in Phili this weekend--
crabs, express, sweetlax, dukes/big 4, leading edge and one or two more...
Dukes/Crabs in final. Leading Edge lost to Dukes by 1 and beat HeadStrong and Sweetlax to come in 3rd. LI Express lost to Sweetlax I think and played in 3rd place game. Good competition all the way around.
Head LI Express lost 12-1 to Crabs and 5-3 to Sweetlax. Don't know how they did in last game vs. Headstrong,
How many of the Crab players drove themselves home? Or did they just go to the local pub and discuss the game? LOL, I know, they're all 2017. It's just getting so ridiculous now. Ya know, cause LI teams just don't know how to play lacrosse anymore... All of a sudden the crabs are blowing out Express. Gee what happened? Oh wait, this is the year down in MD they all repeat 9th grade in prep school because they were in 9th grade last year in public school, on top of being held back a year in kindergarten. Still 2017, all good. So most of the kids are 16 and 17 years old playing our 14 year olds. No wait I'm sorry, the MD kids just hit the wall more and are better than our kids, and are genetically more gifted with size and speed,that must be it. Why do we continue to support these tournaments??? We really need to start demanding these things go age based. One last thing... Why won't the crabs enter this exact team into the U-15 championship??? Hmmmm, what could the reason be?
My son played in this tournament (still 13 years old) and my opinion is you play against kids in your graduation year, the college coaches don't seem to care what year you were born but they do care what yer you are graduating. Play the hand you were dealt.
I have nothing to do with 2017 but your comment "play the hand you were dealt" is in direct contradiction to the previous poster's comment. The problem is a lot of people arent playing the hand they were dealt, but rather holding there kids back to play against younger competition. that just isnt fair. But, there are not rules against it so why doesnt everyone just hold their kids back a year and then see if anyone uses that logic to hold their kids back two years.
If I could do it all over, both my boys would be held back! I tell all new parents to consider it. Most are shocked at first, but then start thinking.......hmmmm, why should other kids get this advantage, maybe this is in the best interest of my child!
they definitely didn't show well. I wouldn't count them out yet. they need to figure out there playing style. the team can really move the ball when they want to but fall into old bad habits real quick. we shall see.
The problem is the combination of boys reclassifying coupled with early recruiting
when you play your 15 year old against my 13 year old, I will bet on your older boy every time.
In 4 years, I am pretty sure my 17 year old will be a better player than your 19 year old.
Fotrunately for you, your 15 year old put together a great highlight tape of his games played against little boys and looks like a stud.
Fortunately for my son he will graduate college at 22 instead of 25
as for me I like hanging out with older people, makes me feel younger.
Invite only...
Anyone know anything about an upcoming tournament at Kellenberg? Heard about it but cant find any info on it.
Do you know if it is a Showcase Tournament, are colleges in Attendance? Also, do you know any teams involved?
Nice tourny down in Phili this weekend--
crabs, express, sweetlax, dukes/big 4, leading edge and one or two more...
Dukes/Crabs in final. Leading Edge lost to Dukes by 1 and beat HeadStrong and Sweetlax to come in 3rd. LI Express lost to Sweetlax I think and played in 3rd place game. Good competition all the way around.
Head LI Express lost 12-1 to Crabs and 5-3 to Sweetlax. Don't know how they did in last game vs. Headstrong,
How many of the Crab players drove themselves home? Or did they just go to the local pub and discuss the game? LOL, I know, they're all 2017. It's just getting so ridiculous now. Ya know, cause LI teams just don't know how to play lacrosse anymore... All of a sudden the crabs are blowing out Express. Gee what happened? Oh wait, this is the year down in MD they all repeat 9th grade in prep school because they were in 9th grade last year in public school, on top of being held back a year in kindergarten. Still 2017, all good. So most of the kids are 16 and 17 years old playing our 14 year olds. No wait I'm sorry, the MD kids just hit the wall more and are better than our kids, and are genetically more gifted with size and speed,that must be it. Why do we continue to support these tournaments??? We really need to start demanding these things go age based. One last thing... Why won't the crabs enter this exact team into the U-15 championship??? Hmmmm, what could the reason be?
My son played in this tournament (still 13 years old) and my opinion is you play against kids in your graduation year, the college coaches don't seem to care what year you were born but they do care what yer you are graduating. Play the hand you were dealt.
I have nothing to do with 2017 but your comment "play the hand you were dealt" is in direct contradiction to the previous poster's comment. The problem is a lot of people arent playing the hand they were dealt, but rather holding there kids back to play against younger competition. that just isnt fair. But, there are not rules against it so why doesnt everyone just hold their kids back a year and then see if anyone uses that logic to hold their kids back two years.
We are playing the hand we were dealt, others have drawn new cards to improve their hand -
"grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, The courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference."
I have accepted that my son will graduate HS at 17 - maybe he will get overlooked at recruiting showcases because others have chosen to hold their kids back to gain a competitive advantage (and good for them) and I will work with my son on what we can control like work ethic and grades.
no excuses and no regrets!!!
Dear No Excuses and Regrets,
I agree with you whole heartedly. I wouldn't hold my kid back for athletic advantage either. However, you can't ignore the fact that the LI kids are being ripped off. The MD, PA, prep school crowd is taking spots away from our kids by cheating our kids and changing the game right before our eyes. Guess what, nothing we can do about it. Not until we stand up and demand all tournaments, showcases and recruiting camps strictly follow US lacrosse U-XX rules. Birth certificate proof. It's the only way this crap stops. Tell your team directors to demand it or boycott tourn. If we got together as a region and pushed this issue we could change it.
That's all I'm saying... Just enforce, and play by the rules.
Saw the Outlaws play yesterday. They are really a marginal team.
Outlaws will play Red Devil United (NC team), Edge Red 2017, and 3d Select Canada this weekend at fl$ in 3D
fl$ will play Leading Edge Elite, Greene Turtle, 3d Select Co, BBL Red, Looneys Orange, 3d Select Canada.
so for the sake of finding out how our local boys faired against the rest of the regions who participated in the summer JR event; lets get a count going to see how many of the 50 direct selects are from our area:
(hopefully this doesnt degenerate into some type of slug fest...just anecdotal info gathering)
just add on from here: +1
so for the sake of finding out how our local boys faired against the rest of the regions who participated in the summer JR event; lets get a count going to see how many of the 50 direct selects are from our area:
(hopefully this doesnt degenerate into some type of slug fest...just anecdotal info gathering)
just add on from here: +1
Makes no sense because there's kids with direct invites that didn't go to 3d/jake reed
so for the sake of finding out how our local boys faired against the rest of the regions who participated in the summer JR event; lets get a count going to see how many of the 50 direct selects are from our area:
(hopefully this doesnt degenerate into some type of slug fest...just anecdotal info gathering)
just add on from here: +1
Makes no sense because there's kids with direct invites that didn't go to 3d/jake reed
count that as a "no" from that household... we can "extrapolate" with the directs from this area anyway...it may be a tad too complicated for you...move on to the next question.
so for the sake of finding out how our local boys faired against the rest of the regions who participated in the summer JR event; lets get a count going to see how many of the 50 direct selects are from our area:
(hopefully this doesnt degenerate into some type of slug fest...just anecdotal info gathering)
just add on from here: +1
Makes no sense because there's kids with direct invites that didn't go to 3d/jake reed
count that as a "no" from that household... we can "extrapolate" with the directs from this area anyway...it may be a tad too complicated for you...move on to the next question.
very rude. I don't understand either. Just rephrase so us idiots know what the heck you're trying to figure out. In your question you stated "lets get a count going to see how many of the 50 direct selects are from our area".... So I'm wondering just as the idiot challenged previous poster. Thanks
Key Dukes Players were at the Duke Prospect Camp on Sunday. Dukes 2017 Goalie looked good.
I heard the kids attending looked weak, another money grab!
hahahahah
It seems like everyone who went in July got an invite and even those who didn't get past Blue Chip in Florida also got invited. Thry blew it. JR's days of being "THE" elite showcase are over.
so for the sake of finding out how our local boys faired against the rest of the regions who participated in the summer JR event; lets get a count going to see how many of the 50 direct selects are from our area:
(hopefully this doesnt degenerate into some type of slug fest...just anecdotal info gathering)
just add on from here: +1
Makes no sense because there's kids with direct invites that didn't go to 3d/jake reed
Key Dukes Players were at the Duke Prospect Camp on Sunday. Dukes 2017 Goalie looked good.
I heard the kids attending looked weak, another money grab!
I'm from md and my son was just ok. He has a lot to work on. But I don't know if you where there or just stating heresay - but there def were several standout 17's from li that had shots that would make your head spin
so for the sake of finding out how our local boys faired against the rest of the regions who participated in the summer JR event; lets get a count going to see how many of the 50 direct selects are from our area:
(hopefully this doesnt degenerate into some type of slug fest...just anecdotal info gathering)
just add on from here: +1
Makes no sense because there's kids with direct invites that didn't go to 3d/jake reed
count that as a "no" from that household... we can "extrapolate" with the directs from this area anyway...it may be a tad too complicated for you...move on to the next question.
very rude. I don't understand either. Just rephrase so us idiots know what the heck you're trying to figure out. In your question you stated "lets get a count going to see how many of the 50 direct selects are from our area".... So I'm wondering just as the idiot challenged previous poster. Thanks
Pedantic may seem rude however; restated: how many long island kids got the direct summer invite and do not have to go through winter qualifying again?
+1
My son was umbc was ok there he didn't get direct invite he did not deserve it and we are going down to fla and try and make it this year
My son was umbc was ok there he didn't get direct invite he did not deserve it and we are going down to fla and try and make it this year
how much are the fees for the Florida camp?
My son was umbc was ok there he didn't get direct invite he did not deserve it and we are going down to fla and try and make it this year
how much are the fees for the Florida camp?
$550 plus travel? & then another $550 IF you get asked to JR?
At fl$ in 3D yesterday for 2017s, fl$ went 1-2 losing to Leading Edge 7-1 and 3D Colorado 7-3, and beating Edge from Canada 5-3. LI Outlaws lost all of the games. 3D Colorado and Leading Edge were the best teams there.
fl$ beat BBL 17-6 and Looneys 14-0 on Sunday.
fl$ beat BBL 17-6 and Looneys 14-0 on Sunday.
BBL b team as the black team is the a team. Got killed by leading edge and 3d.
fl$ beat BBL 17-6 and Looneys 14-0 on Sunday.
BBL b team as the black team is the a team. Got killed by leading edge and 3d.
Who got killed bt leading edge and 3d?
Does anyone know how good Long Island (Be The Best) 2017 Team is?
Is it an A team or B team?
fl$ beat BBL 17-6 and Looneys 14-0 on Sunday.
BBL b team as the black team is the a team. Got killed by leading edge and 3d.
Who got killed bt leading edge and 3d?
fl$
fl$ beat BBL 17-6 and Looneys 14-0 on Sunday.
BBL b team as the black team is the a team. Got killed by leading edge and 3d.
Who got killed bt leading edge and 3d?
fl$
I was pretty surprised to see how easy the 3d team handled fl$. fl$ had some very athletic guys, but the 3d defense shut them down other than 1 or 2 long shots that sort of skipped in through the slop in front of the cage.
At fl$ in 3D yesterday for 2017s, fl$ went 1-2 losing to Leading Edge 7-1 and 3D Colorado 7-3, and beating Edge from Canada 5-3. LI Outlaws lost all of the games. 3D Colorado and Leading Edge were the best teams there.
I am not familiar with the BBL program but think they had two teams there. The one I saw was very well coached and hung with the 3d Co team for most of the game, but 3d pulled away.
fl$ lost by 2 or 3 to 3D Col & 6-1 to L-Edge. 'Killed' is a slight exaggeration, no?
fl$ beat BBL 17-6 and Looneys 14-0 on Sunday.
BBL b team as the black team is the a team. Got killed by leading edge and 3d.
Who got killed bt leading edge and 3d?
fl$
fl$ beat BBL 17-6 and Looneys 14-0 on Sunday.
BBL b team as the black team is the a team. Got killed by leading edge and 3d.
Who got killed bt leading edge and 3d?
fl$
fl$ lost to 3d Select CO 7-3 and CO scored two man up goals very late in the game. Lost to Leading Edge 7-1. Not sure in what world that equates to getting killed. Maybe you meant that the Outlaws got killed since they lost to Leading 3d CO 12-0?
Regardless, lots of college coaches watching their games.
fl$ beat BBL 17-6 and Looneys 14-0 on Sunday.
BBL b team as the black team is the a team. Got killed by leading edge and 3d.
Who got killed bt leading edge and 3d?
fl$
fl$ lost to 3d Select CO 7-3 and CO scored two man up goals very late in the game. Lost to Leading Edge 7-1. Not sure in what world that equates to getting killed. Maybe you meant that the Outlaws got killed since they lost to Leading 3d CO 12-0?
Regardless, lots of college coaches watching their games.
I would agree with you. The fl$ vs 3d CO game felt closer than the score because the fl$ FOGO did an amazing job and the ball was in the 3d defensive end most of the first half for sure. The 3d team is know for its offense, but their defense won that game. It wasn't like fl$ was playing sloppy. The 3d team played a very aggressive, pressing out defense. It was a fun game to watch on both sides.
Yea how good is Be The Best?
There is nothing wrong with playing in front of a bunch of Div 3 coaches and I bet that some D1 schools will be there.
Correct ... provided that those Division III coaches are actually in the Top Ten Academic or Athletic options selected by the student-athlete. If the attending coaches are not in the set of schools that one would consider, why attend the showcase and pay the associated fees?
I for one, requested a refund. Too much money for nothing!
I requested a refund also but have not heard back? Any request a refund and see the credit?
I received my refund late last week as did a teammate.
I received my refund late last week as did a teammate.
3 emails and know response for me.
Heard Turtles came in 3/4 in pool play today at Philly Showcase.
Heard Turtles came in 3/4 in pool play today at Philly Showcase.
. Looks like they did well
http://showcaselacrosse.com/drawer/philly-freshman-showcase-2013/gamecenter/team/
Orange tie building blocks please.
It was a ties as game was not played..... BBL and Express did not play the game
Not that well, 3D beat them easily
Bbl made express wait around 2 hrs and then
Bbl decided not to play. Classy
It was a ties as game was not played..... BBL and Express did not play the game
Why not?
Orange tie building blocks please.
Game never happened. BBL went home early.
It was Orange's idea not to play
Long Island well represented in the Philly Showcase Allstar final game amongst a truly nation wide participation.
2 turtles (LSM,MIDDY)
4 express (LSM ask middy's)
3 fl$ (A, D, LSM)
2 91 (A,D)
One 91 kid overall MVP (D) and one 91 kid Allstar game MVP (A)
Sub freezing temps all day for team games. Kudos to those who could play in such unfavorable conditions.
It was Orange's idea not to play
That's why they were dressed and waiting at field 2, ready to play
It was Orange's idea not to play
That's why they were dressed and waiting at field 2, ready to play
LOL, EXACTLY! We all had nothing better to do than freeze our butts off in PA for an extra 2 hours for NOTHING!
Not that well, 3D beat them easily
Is this the first time the Turtles have lost to a 2017 team?
Not that well, 3D beat them easily
Is this the first time the Turtles have lost to a 2017 team?
No. Last year
Bbl made express wait around 2 hrs and then
Bbl decided not to play. Classy
BBL did this last year at Summer Sizzle in Md...they were getting killed by other teams and decided not to show up vs FCA. Weak program, they shouldn't get asked back to quality tournaments.
It was Orange's idea not to play
Not from either LI Express or BBL. It was Chanachuck's idea not to play. 100% sure, heard from NXT.
Bbl made express wait around 2 hrs and then
Bbl decided not to play. Classy
BBL did this last year at Summer Sizzle in Md...they were getting killed by other teams and decided not to show up vs FCA. Weak program, they shouldn't get asked back to quality tournaments.
Although not many lacrosse tournaments have crossed into performance bonds (some top level soccer tournaments have done this), elite teams are soon going to be required to "bond" their tournament appearances to avoid this situation.
Performance bonds guard against teams walking away from matches such as we see here. Once a team participates in all of their scheduled matches, their bond (typically $1000.00) is refunded. If a team forfeits a match, the bond is used to REFUND that portion of the application fees to the impacted opponent(s).
It was Orange's idea not to play
Not from either LI Express or BBL. It was Chanachuck's idea not to play. 100% sure, heard from NXT.
Oh yea, that's why we sat around for 2 hrs to play the game!! You're an idiot!
It was Orange's idea not to play
Not from either LI Express or BBL. It was Chanachuck's idea not to play. 100% sure, heard from NXT.
Oh yea, that's why we sat around for 2 hrs to play the game!! You're an idiot!
Idoiot, talk to NXT and ask Chanachuck. BBL guys told me at 11am that last game wasn't being played because LI Express was leaving. Maybe you should discuss with you own leadership dope. Maybe you should be mad at MC for not telling you.
It was Orange's idea not to play
Not from either LI Express or BBL. It was Chanachuck's idea not to play. 100% sure, heard from NXT.
Oh yea, that's why we sat around for 2 hrs to play the game!! You're an idiot!
Idoiot, talk to NXT and ask Chanachuck. BBL guys told me at 11am that last game wasn't being played because LI Express was leaving. Maybe you should discuss with you own leadership dope. Maybe you should be mad at MC for not telling you.
Not only were the boys of Orange dressed and ready to play so were the coaches, YES Chanenchuk was there ready to go at 2.10pm
Bbl made express wait around 2 hrs and then
Bbl decided not to play. Classy
BBL did this last year at Summer Sizzle in Md...they were getting killed by other teams and decided not to show up vs FCA. Weak program, they shouldn't get asked back to quality tournaments.
Although not many lacrosse tournaments have crossed into performance bonds (some top level soccer tournaments have done this), elite teams are soon going to be required to "bond" their tournament appearances to avoid this situation.
Performance bonds guard against teams walking away from matches such as we see here. Once a team participates in all of their scheduled matches, their bond (typically $1000.00) is refunded. If a team forfeits a match, the bond is used to REFUND that portion of the application fees to the impacted opponent(s).
Thanks Cage.
Lacrosse is way behind in many ways. The people who control the sport are working for selfish reason. Tournament Organizers/Owners, Club Directors/Owners, HS Coaches (who also want to profit) and Youth Lacrosse (town boards) all have their own agendas.
US Lacrosse has not set the stage effectively. The current system is a free for all.
Single year "U" based age groups is a must.
Player and Team Registration is a must.
Tier Rating of Teams based on results is a must. "A" "B" "C" Divisions.
I am not talking about Rec-league or local town based programs. I am talking about Competitive Travel Teams.
LI Team Results from Philly Showcase:
Team 91 2-1
Outlaws 1-2
Express 1-1 (BBL game shown as tie but was not played)
Turtles 2-1
fl$ 2-1
Have to give all the boys on all the teams credit for playing in 25 degree weather with a wind chill that made it feel close to 0 degrees.
It was Orange's idea not to play
Not from either LI Express or BBL. It was Chanachuck's idea not to play. 100% sure, heard from NXT.
Oh yea, that's why we sat around for 2 hrs to play the game!! You're an idiot!
Idoiot, talk to NXT and ask Chanachuck. BBL guys told me at 11am that last game wasn't being played because LI Express was leaving. Maybe you should discuss with you own leadership dope. Maybe you should be mad at MC for not telling you.
Not only were the boys of Orange dressed and ready to play so were the coaches, YES Chanenchuk was there ready to go at 2.10pm
Before we cast stones at glass houses, lets remember that a few weeks ago at Halloween Havoc, an Express team decided to skip a championship game and leave team 91 hanging around for nothing. Express should not critcize when they have engaged in the same behavior
Not that well, 3D beat them easily
Is this the first time the Turtles have lost to a 2017 team?
No. Last year
Which team?
Not that well, 3D beat them easily
Is this the first time the Turtles have lost to a 2017 team?
This wasn't a very representative 3d team. It was thrown together behind closed doors, and the best players from Colorado were actually not on it in favor of a couple of out of state guys. A lot of people were pretty upset when they heard this team had been put together that way.
Not that well, 3D beat them easily
Is this the first time the Turtles have lost to a 2017 team?
No. Last year
Which team?
dukes 2017
Not that well, 3D beat them easily
Is this the first time the Turtles have lost to a 2017 team?
This wasn't a very representative 3d team. It was thrown together behind closed doors, and the best players from Colorado were actually not on it in favor of a couple of out of state guys. A lot of people were pretty upset when they heard this team had been put together that way.
The team was 3d National. What wasn't representative about it?
There is an internal fascination with bringing in a few kids from non-3d areas who had no business being on that team. 2 if not 3 of the best attack men were not there, the best pole, and best LSM. 3 of those guys recently joined 3d Co, but aren't even close to being some of the better players and hadn't earned the right to represent 3d in something like this.
No one has any idea how or why this happened. It was a good team, but if this had been a true, national team the way WCS picks players it would have been even better.
Not that well, 3D beat them easily
Is this the first time the Turtles have lost to a 2017 team?
This wasn't a very representative 3d team. It was thrown together behind closed doors, and the best players from Colorado were actually not on it in favor of a couple of out of state guys. A lot of people were pretty upset when they heard this team had been put together that way.
The team was 3d National. What wasn't representative about it?
Turtle lost and are always looking for excuses. The fact is that the kids on 3D are more skilled for their age group than the Turtles. Get over it!
Not that well, 3D beat them easily
Is this the first time the Turtles have lost to a 2017 team?
This wasn't a very representative 3d team. It was thrown together behind closed doors, and the best players from Colorado were actually not on it in favor of a couple of out of state guys. A lot of people were pretty upset when they heard this team had been put together that way.
The team was 3d National. What wasn't representative about it?
It means the posters son got left off the team and hes annoyed about it...........
[quote=Anonymous]Long Island well represented in the Philly Showcase Allstar final game amongst a truly nation wide participation.
2 turtles (LSM,MIDDY)
4 express (LSM ask middy's)
3 fl$ (A, D, LSM)
2 91 (A,D)
One 91 kid overall MVP (D) and one 91 kid Allstar game MVP (A)
Sub freezing temps all day for team games. Kudos to those who could play in such unfavorable conditions.
Express and fl$ had more players in the All-Star game than the Turtles and 91 had an equal amount. What happened?
Actually not the case. Our son was there and was only trying to make the point that this wasn't even close to being the best team 3d could have put out there, and no one knows how or why it was done this way. One of the problems of a national club and 3d is starting to have some issues with that.
The way the Turtles dominated the face-offs and shots it should have been closer or even a W for them. Our guys shine in unsettled play and that is where you saw our guys rattle off that run of 5-6 goals to win it.
It is too bad we don't play more often.
[quote=Anonymous]Long Island well represented in the Philly Showcase Allstar final game amongst a truly nation wide participation.
2 turtles (LSM,MIDDY)
4 express (LSM ask middy's)
3 fl$ (A, D, LSM)
2 91 (A,D)
One 91 kid overall MVP (D) and one 91 kid Allstar game MVP (A)
Sub freezing temps all day for team games. Kudos to those who could play in such unfavorable conditions.
Express and fl$ had more players in the All-Star game than the Turtles and 91 had an equal amount. What happened?
Didn't those 2 91 MVP kids use to play for the turtles?
yup turtles lost a ton of talent.
Long Island had a strong showing. 11 in Fab 40. Overall MVP, Runner up MVP and one of the All-Star game MVP's all from Long Island. 3 of the top 5 players on that day from Long Island. That's pretty good. All 232 kids deserve credit for playing hard in such harsh weather conditions.
Long Island had a strong showing. 11 in Fab 40. Overall MVP, Runner up MVP and one of the All-Star game MVP's all from Long Island. 3 of the top 5 players on that day from Long Island. That's pretty good. All 232 kids deserve credit for playing hard in such harsh weather conditions.
Amen to that. The conditions were horrible and the talent was really good, but I still wouldn't say I would be running out and trying to get many if any to commit. I know there were a couple of guys who had committed, and one who had gotten quite a bit of pub from IL, and he has been invisible most of the fall.
There was a lot of skill, but kids are still changing to fast.
Long Island had a strong showing. 11 in Fab 40. Overall MVP, Runner up MVP and one of the All-Star game MVP's all from Long Island. 3 of the top 5 players on that day from Long Island. That's pretty good. All 232 kids deserve credit for playing hard in such harsh weather conditions.
Amen to that. The conditions were horrible and the talent was really good, but I still wouldn't say I would be running out and trying to get many if any to commit. I know there were a couple of guys who had committed, and one who had gotten quite a bit of pub from IL, and he has been invisible most of the fall.
There was a lot of skill, but kids are still changing to fast.
Great post. It still remains to be seen whos gonna be who. College coaches wanna see kids play varsity and they want to see a year of grades. I dont think youll see too many 2017's commit until the summer or next fall. There will definitely be some late bloomers and kids that surprise. Still a long way to go folks, strap in and hang on.
Long Island had a strong showing. 11 in Fab 40. Overall MVP, Runner up MVP and one of the All-Star game MVP's all from Long Island. 3 of the top 5 players on that day from Long Island. That's pretty good. All 232 kids deserve credit for playing hard in such harsh weather conditions.
Amen to that. The conditions were horrible and the talent was really good, but I still wouldn't say I would be running out and trying to get many if any to commit. I know there were a couple of guys who had committed, and one who had gotten quite a bit of pub from IL, and he has been invisible most of the fall.
There was a lot of skill, but kids are still changing to fast.
Congrats to all of the kids who played in such poor conditions. It would be better if this event were held October to reduce the chance of poor weather.
My son, age 14, said there were kids on his team that were 16 years old. On his 20 person team 6 were from the class of 2016 that had been or were going to be held back. Doesn't seem right, but you've got to work with the hand you're dealt.
Long Island had a strong showing. 11 in Fab 40. Overall MVP, Runner up MVP and one of the All-Star game MVP's all from Long Island. 3 of the top 5 players on that day from Long Island. That's pretty good. All 232 kids deserve credit for playing hard in such harsh weather conditions.
Amen to that. The conditions were horrible and the talent was really good, but I still wouldn't say I would be running out and trying to get many if any to commit. I know there were a couple of guys who had committed, and one who had gotten quite a bit of pub from IL, and he has been invisible most of the fall.
There was a lot of skill, but kids are still changing to fast.
Congrats to all of the kids who played in such poor conditions. It would be better if this event were held October to reduce the chance of poor weather.
My son, age 14, said there were kids on his team that were 16 years old. On his 20 person team 6 were from the class of 2016 that had been or were going to be held back. Doesn't seem right, but you've got to work with the hand you're dealt.
This is a disgrace and a joke. Gee.. I wonder if the kids 2 years older looked stronger and faster that the 14 year olds. Let me guess they were from MD and PA prep schools. NXT should be ashamed of themselves. These venues need to step up and start going by age. It's an outrage...
Are these questions significantly easier to answer for a 17 year-old than a 15/16 year-old?
Originally, the concern with early commitments was that a freshman or sophomore could not effectively decide on a college as they were not sufficiently developed to know their academic interests.
Now, we have to worry about things from a coach's perspective? If a coach does not believe he or she cannot sufficiently analyze a recruit, isn't the better choice to back away from the recruitment wars for freshmen and sophomores?
Oh, wait, we cannot allow our program to fall behind. But what about Quint's questions? Ah heck, they don't matter anyway.
Get the point?
Are these questions significantly easier to answer for a 17 year-old than a 15/16 year-old?
Originally, the concern with early commitments was that a freshman or sophomore could not effectively decide on a college as they were not sufficiently developed to know their academic interests.
Now, we have to worry about things from a coach's perspective? If a coach does not believe he or she cannot sufficiently analyze a recruit, isn't the better choice to back away from the recruitment wars for freshmen and sophomores?
Oh, wait, we cannot allow our program to fall behind. But what about Quint's questions? Ah heck, they don't matter anyway.
Get the point?
I think the coaches view recruiting a kid at 15 or 16 as a free option. If the kid develops into the player/student that they anticipate, great. If not, they can terminate the offer or throw the kid onto the roster where he will never see the field. Most schools carry a roster of 40+ kids, many of whom are receiving no money from the program; hence the free option concept. It is probably safer for a coach to recruit a younger kid and gamble on their success rather than miss someone.
This wasn't a very representative 3d team. It was thrown together behind closed doors, and the best players from Colorado were actually not on it in favor of a couple of out of state guys. A lot of people were pretty upset when they heard this team had been put together that way. [/quote]
The team was 3d National. What wasn't representative about it? [/quote]
Turtle lost and are always looking for excuses. The fact is that the kids on 3D are more skilled for their age group than the Turtles. Get over it! [/quote]
I think you need to boost your comprehension capabilities. what you responded to doesnt look like an excuse by someone representing the turtles rather someone involved with 3D. Stop with the hate fruitcake!
Are these questions significantly easier to answer for a 17 year-old than a 15/16 year-old?
Originally, the concern with early commitments was that a freshman or sophomore could not effectively decide on a college as they were not sufficiently developed to know their academic interests.
Now, we have to worry about things from a coach's perspective? If a coach does not believe he or she cannot sufficiently analyze a recruit, isn't the better choice to back away from the recruitment wars for freshmen and sophomores?
Oh, wait, we cannot allow our program to fall behind. But what about Quint's questions? Ah heck, they don't matter anyway.
Get the point?
I think the coaches view recruiting a kid at 15 or 16 as a free option. If the kid develops into the player/student that they anticipate, great. If not, they can terminate the offer or throw the kid onto the roster where he will never see the field. Most schools carry a roster of 40+ kids, many of whom are receiving no money from the program; hence the free option concept. It is probably safer for a coach to recruit a younger kid and gamble on their success rather than miss someone.
Doesn't work the way you're saying at all!! The kids are committing with detailed scholarships in place, once the agreement is made the coach has committed to an offer, he stands by it. That's why it's called a commitment. A gamble, maybe but that's on the coach. Scholarships are not taken back unless specific stipulations on performance are set (I believe Duke does this)
Long Island had a strong showing. 11 in Fab 40. Overall MVP, Runner up MVP and one of the All-Star game MVP's all from Long Island. 3 of the top 5 players on that day from Long Island. That's pretty good. All 232 kids deserve credit for playing hard in such harsh weather conditions.
Amen to that. The conditions were horrible and the talent was really good, but I still wouldn't say I would be running out and trying to get many if any to commit. I know there were a couple of guys who had committed, and one who had gotten quite a bit of pub from IL, and he has been invisible most of the fall.
There was a lot of skill, but kids are still changing to fast.
Congrats to all of the kids who played in such poor conditions. It would be better if this event were held October to reduce the chance of poor weather.
My son, age 14, said there were kids on his team that were 16 years old. On his 20 person team 6 were from the class of 2016 that had been or were going to be held back. Doesn't seem right, but you've got to work with the hand you're dealt.
This is a disgrace and a joke. Gee.. I wonder if the kids 2 years older looked stronger and faster that the 14 year olds. Let me guess they were from MD and PA prep schools. NXT should be ashamed of themselves. These venues need to step up and start going by age. It's an outrage...
Why should NXT be ashamed. They are serving a market, like it or not. Consumers have the option to attend or not attend the tournaments where MD and PA players attend because everyone knows they hold kids back....
Why do you think it is that these events are so successful and well attended by coaches? Because the college coaches care only about the grad year, not the age.
Why doesn't someone on LI host an age based showcase or tournament? I would be curious to see attendance from both player and coach perspectives.
Are these questions significantly easier to answer for a 17 year-old than a 15/16 year-old?
Originally, the concern with early commitments was that a freshman or sophomore could not effectively decide on a college as they were not sufficiently developed to know their academic interests.
Now, we have to worry about things from a coach's perspective? If a coach does not believe he or she cannot sufficiently analyze a recruit, isn't the better choice to back away from the recruitment wars for freshmen and sophomores?
Oh, wait, we cannot allow our program to fall behind. But what about Quint's questions? Ah heck, they don't matter anyway.
Get the point?
I think the coaches view recruiting a kid at 15 or 16 as a free option. If the kid develops into the player/student that they anticipate, great. If not, they can terminate the offer or throw the kid onto the roster where he will never see the field. Most schools carry a roster of 40+ kids, many of whom are receiving no money from the program; hence the free option concept. It is probably safer for a coach to recruit a younger kid and gamble on their success rather than miss someone.
Doesn't work the way you're saying at all!! The kids are committing with detailed scholarships in place, once the agreement is made the coach has committed to an offer, he stands by it. That's why it's called a commitment. A gamble, maybe but that's on the coach. Scholarships are not taken back unless specific stipulations on performance are set (I believe Duke does this)
Then it's a $10k to $15k option since most kids aren;t getting full rides
Long Island had a strong showing. 11 in Fab 40. Overall MVP, Runner up MVP and one of the All-Star game MVP's all from Long Island. 3 of the top 5 players on that day from Long Island. That's pretty good. All 232 kids deserve credit for playing hard in such harsh weather conditions.
Amen to that. The conditions were horrible and the talent was really good, but I still wouldn't say I would be running out and trying to get many if any to commit. I know there were a couple of guys who had committed, and one who had gotten quite a bit of pub from IL, and he has been invisible most of the fall.
There was a lot of skill, but kids are still changing to fast.
Congrats to all of the kids who played in such poor conditions. It would be better if this event were held October to reduce the chance of poor weather.
My son, age 14, said there were kids on his team that were 16 years old. On his 20 person team 6 were from the class of 2016 that had been or were going to be held back. Doesn't seem right, but you've got to work with the hand you're dealt.
This is a disgrace and a joke. Gee.. I wonder if the kids 2 years older looked stronger and faster that the 14 year olds. Let me guess they were from MD and PA prep schools. NXT should be ashamed of themselves. These venues need to step up and start going by age. It's an outrage...
Why should NXT be ashamed. They are serving a market, like it or not. Consumers have the option to attend or not attend the tournaments where MD and PA players attend because everyone knows they hold kids back....
Why do you think it is that these events are so successful and well attended by coaches? Because the college coaches care only about the grad year, not the age.
Why doesn't someone on LI host an age based showcase or tournament? I would be curious to see attendance from both player and coach perspectives.
Exactly, why are people so dense??
[quote=Anonymous]Long Island well represented in the Philly Showcase Allstar final game amongst a truly nation wide participation.
2 turtles (LSM,MIDDY)
4 express (LSM ask middy's)
3 fl$ (A, D, LSM)
2 91 (A,D)
One 91 kid overall MVP (D) and one 91 kid Allstar game MVP (A)
Sub freezing temps all day for team games. Kudos to those who could play in such unfavorable conditions.
Express and fl$ had more players in the All-Star game than the Turtles and 91 had an equal amount. What happened?
Didn't those 2 91 MVP kids use to play for the turtles?
only 3 turtles participated in the showcase 2 made the all-star game.
1 of them came in second in f/o competition, doesn't even fo for turtles
as for the MVP, not lost on anyone they show well in the individual event. Turtles are a team
College coaches don't recruit teams. They recruit individual players who can play regardless of circumstances weather conditions, pain, and without the comfort of their regular teammates. They just get it done without excuses.
College coaches don't recruit teams. They recruit individual players who can play regardless of circumstances weather conditions, pain, and without the comfort of their regular teammates. They just get it done without excuses.
Amen to that statement. And from the rumor mill; turtles that went to Philly as individual players did so at their own risk of being booted off the team...papa joe no likey.
Long Island had a strong showing. 11 in Fab 40. Overall MVP, Runner up MVP and one of the All-Star game MVP's all from Long Island. 3 of the top 5 players on that day from Long Island. That's pretty good. All 232 kids deserve credit for playing hard in such harsh weather conditions.
Amen to that. The conditions were horrible and the talent was really good, but I still wouldn't say I would be running out and trying to get many if any to commit. I know there were a couple of guys who had committed, and one who had gotten quite a bit of pub from IL, and he has been invisible most of the fall.
There was a lot of skill, but kids are still changing to fast.
Congrats to all of the kids who played in such poor conditions. It would be better if this event were held October to reduce the chance of poor weather.
My son, age 14, said there were kids on his team that were 16 years old. On his 20 person team 6 were from the class of 2016 that had been or were going to be held back. Doesn't seem right, but you've got to work with the hand you're dealt.
This is a disgrace and a joke. Gee.. I wonder if the kids 2 years older looked stronger and faster that the 14 year olds. Let me guess they were from MD and PA prep schools. NXT should be ashamed of themselves. These venues need to step up and start going by age. It's an outrage...
Why should NXT be ashamed. They are serving a market, like it or not. Consumers have the option to attend or not attend the tournaments where MD and PA players attend because everyone knows they hold kids back....
Why do you think it is that these events are so successful and well attended by coaches? Because the college coaches care only about the grad year, not the age.
Why doesn't someone on LI host an age based showcase or tournament? I would be curious to see attendance from both player and coach perspectives.
Exactly, why are people so dense??
Says the MD and PA parents that cheat. Face it, your telling u your kids they can't compete without you gaming the system for them. When they were age appropriate for the event two years ago they just couldn't measure up. So Mommy and Daddy found a way to get around the rules for little Jimmy. SAD. Talk about dense. STOP GAMING THE SYSTEM, YOU SKELLS. What's next? Are you going to shoot your kid up with HGH and horse steroids because they don't do drug tests at these tournaments? Good Lord... Do you people have any self respect? Any respect for your children? Even a hint of respect for the game? Obviously not.
Long Island had a strong showing. 11 in Fab 40. Overall MVP, Runner up MVP and one of the All-Star game MVP's all from Long Island. 3 of the top 5 players on that day from Long Island. That's pretty good. All 232 kids deserve credit for playing hard in such harsh weather conditions.
Amen to that. The conditions were horrible and the talent was really good, but I still wouldn't say I would be running out and trying to get many if any to commit. I know there were a couple of guys who had committed, and one who had gotten quite a bit of pub from IL, and he has been invisible most of the fall.
There was a lot of skill, but kids are still changing to fast.
Congrats to all of the kids who played in such poor conditions. It would be better if this event were held October to reduce the chance of poor weather.
My son, age 14, said there were kids on his team that were 16 years old. On his 20 person team 6 were from the class of 2016 that had been or were going to be held back. Doesn't seem right, but you've got to work with the hand you're dealt.
This is a disgrace and a joke. Gee.. I wonder if the kids 2 years older looked stronger and faster that the 14 year olds. Let me guess they were from MD and PA prep schools. NXT should be ashamed of themselves. These venues need to step up and start going by age. It's an outrage...
6 of the 232 boys were from Md...please stop this endless complaining. I mentioned before, I live in Md, my son is 14 and competes with anyone. Nothing in life is easy..keep complaining and your son will grow up making excuses for every time he isn't successful. What is outrageous is the endless complaining.
Life is not fair. We find a way to win. It's called human nature. I believe Darwin described it as "Survival of the Fittest". Stop with the excuses!!!
I believe the quote at the 3D recruiting seminar last year from Jamie Munroe was "if your kid is a marginal 2016, reclassify him and he'll be a good/great 2017". He obviously is practicing what he preaches with a half dozen kids on his national team.
This is a disgrace and a joke. Gee.. I wonder if the kids 2 years older looked stronger and faster that the 14 year olds. Let me guess they were from MD and PA prep schools. NXT should be ashamed of themselves. These venues need to step up and start going by age. It's an outrage...
Why should NXT be ashamed. They are serving a market, like it or not. Consumers have the option to attend or not attend the tournaments where MD and PA players attend because everyone knows they hold kids back....
Why do you think it is that these events are so successful and well attended by coaches? Because the college coaches care only about the grad year, not the age.
Why doesn't someone on LI host an age based showcase or tournament? I would be curious to see attendance from both player and coach perspectives.
Exactly, why are people so dense??
Says the MD and PA parents that cheat. Face it, you're telling your kids they can't compete without you gaming the system for them. When they were age appropriate for the event two years ago they just couldn't measure up. So Mommy and Daddy found a way to get around the rules for little Jimmy. SAD. Talk about dense. STOP GAMING THE SYSTEM, YOU SKELLS. What's next? Are you going to shoot your kid up with HGH and horse steroids because they don't do drug tests at these tournaments? Good Lord... Do you people have any self respect? Any respect for your children? Even a hint of respect for the game? Obviously not.
Says the parent that is fostering the "victim" mentality. There is always an excuse for your lot in life. "Son, you would be great if others did not interpret the rules to their advantage. They must be cheating". Stop with the complaining. I am sure the MD and PA parents complain just as much as anyone else about how the system works.
Sorry. It is called life. Life is not fair. If it were, everyone who just worked hard would succeed. Unfortunately, it is not that way, sad to say. I have taught my son, 14 yo , by the way, to deal with adversity, keep your head up and do things the right way, regardless of other's actions, and be able to look at yourself in the mirror and be proud of what you see.
This is a disgrace and a joke. Gee.. I wonder if the kids 2 years older looked stronger and faster that the 14 year olds. Let me guess they were from MD and PA prep schools. NXT should be ashamed of themselves. These venues need to step up and start going by age. It's an outrage...
Why should NXT be ashamed. They are serving a market, like it or not. Consumers have the option to attend or not attend the tournaments where MD and PA players attend because everyone knows they hold kids back....
Why do you think it is that these events are so successful and well attended by coaches? Because the college coaches care only about the grad year, not the age.
Why doesn't someone on LI host an age based showcase or tournament? I would be curious to see attendance from both player and coach perspectives.
Exactly, why are people so dense??
Says the MD and PA parents that cheat. Face it, you're telling your kids they can't compete without you gaming the system for them. When they were age appropriate for the event two years ago they just couldn't measure up. So Mommy and Daddy found a way to get around the rules for little Jimmy. SAD. Talk about dense. STOP GAMING THE SYSTEM, YOU SKELLS. What's next? Are you going to shoot your kid up with HGH and horse steroids because they don't do drug tests at these tournaments? Good Lord... Do you people have any self respect? Any respect for your children? Even a hint of respect for the game? Obviously not.
Says the parent that is fostering the "victim" mentality. There is always an excuse for your lot in life. "Son, you would be great if others did not interpret the rules to their advantage. They must be cheating". Stop with the complaining. I am sure the MD and PA parents complain just as much as anyone else about how the system works.
Sorry. It is called life. Life is not fair. If it were, everyone who just worked hard would succeed. Unfortunately, it is not that way, sad to say. I have taught my son, 14 yo , by the way, to deal with adversity, keep your head up and do things the right way, regardless of other's actions, and be able to look at yourself in the mirror and be proud of what you see.
So now standing up for what's right and having a backbone are akin to "fostering the victim mentality". You must have been raised by wolves. Never said everything will be fair in life. However, I've got the guts to stand up for what's right and have told my children to do the same. Unfortunately, you've told your kid to hide and make believe things are all ok. Don't make waves, be meek. You see, sometimes in life you have to have confrontations. Sometimes it's the only thing that brings about change. What's going on in this sport with the afore mentioned actions by a growing number of parents is just WRONG. No victim here. It's called standing up for what's right. Regardless of how others want to label you. Now go take your 14yo to his 6th grade practice...
College coaches don't recruit teams. They recruit individual players who can play regardless of circumstances weather conditions, pain, and without the comfort of their regular teammates. They just get it done without excuses.
Individuals win awards
Teams win championships
Winning programs recruit great players who can be great teammates
as Quint puts it "Winning Intangibles"
I recently spoke to a D1 coach from a lax superpower at a showcase this past weekend. He looked me in the eye and told me "we sincerely hope the rules for recruitment change, we dont like recruiting kids at such a young age but we are forced to to keep up with the other programs. There is no realistic way to tell what a kid is going to be when he is a freshman in high school" He also imparted to me that a large majority of the other D1 programs feel the same way. I think change is coming and I for one cant wait. Too much nonsense going on.
Says the parent that is fostering the "victim" mentality. There is always an excuse for your lot in life. "Son, you would be great if others did not interpret the rules to their advantage. They must be cheating". Stop with the complaining. I am sure the MD and PA parents complain just as much as anyone else about how the system works.
Sorry. It is called life. Life is not fair. If it were, everyone who just worked hard would succeed. Unfortunately, it is not that way, sad to say. I have taught my son, 14 yo , by the way, to deal with adversity, keep your head up and do things the right way, regardless of other's actions, and be able to look at yourself in the mirror and be proud of what you see. [/quote]
So now standing up for what's right and having a backbone are akin to "fostering the victim mentality". You must have been raised by wolves. Never said everything will be fair in life. However, I've got the guts to stand up for what's right and have told my children to do the same. Unfortunately, you've told your kid to hide and make believe things are all ok. Don't make waves, be meek. You see, sometimes in life you have to have confrontations. Sometimes it's the only thing that brings about change. What's going on in this sport with the afore mentioned actions by a growing number of parents is just WRONG. No victim here. It's called standing up for what's right. Regardless of how others want to label you. Now go take your 14yo to his 6th grade practice... [/quote]
Complaining about the situation and claiming others are cheating is having a backbone????? Your parents were victims too, I guess. On my way to take my 14 yo to his HS varsity practice. No excuses here. No complaining. Just made the best of every situation. Kid worked hard at what he could change. Did not complain about others or what they were doing. Just WORKED through it.
College coaches don't recruit teams. They recruit individual players who can play regardless of circumstances weather conditions, pain, and without the comfort of their regular teammates. They just get it done without excuses.
Individuals win awards
Teams win championships
Winning programs recruit great players who can be great teammates
as Quint puts it "Winning Intangibles"
And the kids on those teams that made it there for poitical reasons will either not be recruited or get to college and never seen the field. Then they will just wind up hating the sport. I know several that this has happened to. So keep your kid on the team where the overall skill level is above him, and watch what happens. How do you think these kids are already feeling now as there teamates are getting noticed and they're not?
Says the parent that is fostering the "victim" mentality. There is always an excuse for your lot in life. "Son, you would be great if others did not interpret the rules to their advantage. They must be cheating". Stop with the complaining. I am sure the MD and PA parents complain just as much as anyone else about how the system works.
Sorry. It is called life. Life is not fair. If it were, everyone who just worked hard would succeed. Unfortunately, it is not that way, sad to say. I have taught my son, 14 yo , by the way, to deal with adversity, keep your head up and do things the right way, regardless of other's actions, and be able to look at yourself in the mirror and be proud of what you see.
So now standing up for what's right and having a backbone are akin to "fostering the victim mentality". You must have been raised by wolves. Never said everything will be fair in life. However, I've got the guts to stand up for what's right and have told my children to do the same. Unfortunately, you've told your kid to hide and make believe things are all ok. Don't make waves, be meek. You see, sometimes in life you have to have confrontations. Sometimes it's the only thing that brings about change. What's going on in this sport with the afore mentioned actions by a growing number of parents is just WRONG. No victim here. It's called standing up for what's right. Regardless of how others want to label you. Now go take your 14yo to his 6th grade practice... [/quote]
Complaining about the situation and claiming others are cheating is having a backbone????? Your parents were victims too, I guess. On my way to take my 14 yo to his HS varsity practice. No excuses here. No complaining. Just made the best of every situation. Kid worked hard at what he could change. Did not complain about others or what they were doing. Just WORKED through it. [/quote]
Your accusing someone of complaining, because he's willing to stand up for the right thing!!! What's so hard for you to understand? YES a 16 year old in a freshman showcase IS CHEATING. Plain and simple. YES that kid is gaming the system and soiling the game. How is that being a victim? What ever happened to honor, fair play, and love of the game? Why would you be arguing in favor of those your son supposedly was able to rise above? Do you think he deserves some additional accolades? Be a little humble and grateful. Perhaps your son could use his position to bring attention to the issue and possibly help make a positive change... With a parent like you that doesn't seem likely, mostly because he'll be the VICTIM of the example you've set for him. Best to your son. You're a fool.
I have been told by college coaches that Long Island kids are at a disadvanatge because they are younger, however they factor this into their decision making process knowing that LI kids have more upside and have out-performed the MD kids at the collegiate level. Inside Lacrosse reported the same.
I heard young boys from MD,PA & LI start playing lacrosse because they can't hit a curve ball.
I was recently at a very cold showcase and one of the Div 1 coaches who was not there would have told me the same thing. If in fact he was there and cared at all about HS freshmen.
Lighten up, all you LUNATICS!
Says the parent that is fostering the "victim" mentality. There is always an excuse for your lot in life. "Son, you would be great if others did not interpret the rules to their advantage. They must be cheating". Stop with the complaining. I am sure the MD and PA parents complain just as much as anyone else about how the system works.
Sorry. It is called life. Life is not fair. If it were, everyone who just worked hard would succeed. Unfortunately, it is not that way, sad to say. I have taught my son, 14 yo , by the way, to deal with adversity, keep your head up and do things the right way, regardless of other's actions, and be able to look at yourself in the mirror and be proud of what you see.
So now standing up for what's right and having a backbone are akin to "fostering the victim mentality". You must have been raised by wolves. Never said everything will be fair in life. However, I've got the guts to stand up for what's right and have told my children to do the same. Unfortunately, you've told your kid to hide and make believe things are all ok. Don't make waves, be meek. You see, sometimes in life you have to have confrontations. Sometimes it's the only thing that brings about change. What's going on in this sport with the afore mentioned actions by a growing number of parents is just WRONG. No victim here. It's called standing up for what's right. Regardless of how others want to label you. Now go take your 14yo to his 6th grade practice...
Complaining about the situation and claiming others are cheating is having a backbone????? Your parents were victims too, I guess. On my way to take my 14 yo to his HS varsity practice. No excuses here. No complaining. Just made the best of every situation. Kid worked hard at what he could change. Did not complain about others or what they were doing. Just WORKED through it. [/quote]
Your accusing someone of complaining, because he's willing to stand up for the right thing!!! What's so hard for you to understand? YES a 16 year old in a freshman showcase IS CHEATING. Plain and simple. YES that kid is gaming the system and soiling the game. How is that being a victim? What ever happened to honor, fair play, and love of the game? Why would you be arguing in favor of those your son supposedly was able to rise above? Do you think he deserves some additional accolades? Be a little humble and grateful. Perhaps your son could use his position to bring attention to the issue and possibly help make a positive change... With a parent like you that doesn't seem likely, mostly because he'll be the VICTIM of the example you've set for him. Best to your son. You're a fool. [/quote]
Good luck to your son, sir. Hopefully, he will be able to overcome all of the challenges he may face in a gentlemanly manner.
I am also a Maryland parent and agree with the poster. The MD mentality is a disgrace. There are two kids repeating 9th grade a Bullis right now. If they both repeat again and become 2018s it still would make no difference, because neither of them can play. But there is something to the point. My son is one of few 9th graders on his team who is 14.
That is the best quote for all those daddys who played Lax over baseball in the 80's. You know those who think because they played in the 80's they are gods. But truth be told, if you didn't make pony ball in the 80's you didn't make your HS baseball team and you played lacrosse.
The same cannot be said today. Over time the real athletes realized lacrosse was faster & action packed where baseball was a snoozer.
(of course there are those rare few who realized baseball was to boring and was ahead of the curve and played lacrosse for the love of it)
I heard young boys from MD,PA & LI start playing lacrosse because they can't hit a curve ball.
I was recently at a very cold showcase and one of the Div 1 coaches who was not there would have told me the same thing. If in fact he was there and cared at all about HS freshmen.
Lighten up, all you LUNATICS!
My son was at the Warrior Diamond 2017 showcase this past Saturday. There were 10 kids on his team that were 16 years old, all from Maryland and a certain organization. My son played hard and didnt flinch, but there was a noticeable difference in size, speed and athleticism. There were hardly any college coaches watching the boys and if they were watching, they were watching the older boys. Its a shame what this sport has become. Its a sport for rich kids and prep school kids now.
It is really too bad noone gave you the right advice that the Diamond Showcase is a waste of time and money for all except the owner of that certain club in MD you mentioned who pockets the dough.
keep an eye out for the 3d national team roster that plays in the u-15 this summer. I suspect half of the kids from this weekends team will not qualify sue to age.
keep an eye out for the 3d national team roster that plays in the u-15 this summer. I suspect half of the kids from this weekends team will not qualify sue to age.
3d person here. You are correct and that team for whatever reason didn't have any of the starting attack from the 3d Co team which is very good. The two UNC commits are too old as are several of the middies.
Is Be the best apart of 3D Teams?
As far as I know be the best is a series of camps that originated in California and is now part of 3d training/camps, but I wouldn't say it is part of their teams.
I think the guys who started that as well as California Gold are the guys who run 3d Northern California.
That is the best quote for all those daddys who played Lax over baseball in the 80's. You know those who think because they played in the 80's they are gods. But truth be told, if you didn't make pony ball in the 80's you didn't make your HS baseball team and you played lacrosse.
The same cannot be said today. Over time the real athletes realized lacrosse was faster & action packed where baseball was a snoozer.
(of course there are those rare few who realized baseball was to boring and was ahead of the curve and played lacrosse for the love of it)
I heard young boys from MD,PA & LI start playing lacrosse because they can't hit a curve ball.
I was recently at a very cold showcase and one of the Div 1 coaches who was not there would have told me the same thing. If in fact he was there and cared at all about HS freshmen.
Lighten up, all you LUNATICS!
The only statement that made sense in this post is this:
(of course there are those rare few who realized baseball was to boring and was ahead of the curve and played lacrosse for the love of it)
Not sure where you're from, but I think that's one way to define what makes an area a lacrosse hotbed.
How was the Natl'l 175 event after the IMCLA decision re: mid-week recruting events. Did coaches show up? Seems to me Philly Freshman Showcase took all of the attention for this particular week.
Hello, our son was not at the Warrior Showcase, but has done several others this past month. It IS a shame that we choose to progress through our typical grades in a conventional manner, while many choose to stay back, repeat, or "post-grad" etc. If I am being too critical, please educate me as to why this is done, if it is NOT only to gain advantage overs in school and athletics. I do typically criticize the "PG" approach, but I hope that I will discover any real merit in benefitting the child, or confirm that which I already suspect. Thanks
I am not a turtle parent. Do you get it at all? The team which you bash is made up of some of the best kids in the sport, all from nearby. They have a record which is second to none. It is true that these teams which are being put together, boast some fine players, a year or MORE older, from several states AT LEAST. There is no shame in dropping some games. These showcases are utilized to do just that, "showcase" the individual. There is simply some AWESOME ball being played these days. I only wish that more folks could sit back, watch, and enjoy more of it. It MAY influence what your child can take from the experience, rather than an education in how to be a bitter slouch. I also believe that the post grad method of stacking up a team will affect any silly 'standings" which have been so brilliantly debated on these threads. No shame here. Let these clubs select only the very best from several states. Even some of local, large named clubs are starting to follow, with ever changing rosters, kids flip flopping teams to suit the outcome. I believe that it is dishonest, but who determines this? The fact is that Long Island teams will not win easily anymore at these events. In closing, the team which some bash so quickly has lost a couple of key players. So be it. They are not weak, and have become a little more human. Long Island would have to take a few best from each top team, and a few from surrounding states, and then enter them in a year younger division. This is what is currently taking place. I think that losing a game by a goal or two, or even winning 3 of 4, or 2 of 4 against these teams is pretty decent. Don't hate.
Sadly your suspicions are on point. Attendance would flounder. It is, however, frustrating to field a team of TRUE 9th graders, against kids whom FIRST, benefit from a later enrollment cut off date, SECONDLY, repeat a year of schooling. This CAN, but does not ALWAYS, result in a 16 year old freshman, who will reach 17 years of age in spring of his/ her freshman year. Is this odd to you at all? If I am not accurate, please educate. Thanks. Oh, that was a beautiful Aston Martin that your freshman pulled up in at Philly!
People bash on the Turtles because they have been an entitled group of kids (and parents) for years. They've also lost a few key kids, and this trend will continue.
As for some teams having older kids, that may be true, but the situation is way overblown. Amazing how LI parents are so obsessed about an issue that doesn't exist.
People bash on the Turtles because they have been an entitled group of kids (and parents) for years. They've also lost a few key kids, and this trend will continue.
As for some teams having older kids, that may be true, but the situation is way overblown. Amazing how LI parents are so obsessed about an issue that doesn't exist.
You are either naive or in denial. The issue does exist and will continue to exist. LI players heve benefitted from playing "up" against the MD teams. This is evidenced later at the collegiate level where the age difference doesn't matter anymore and LI players consistently out perform MD players.
People bash on the Turtles because they have been an entitled group of kids (and parents) for years. They've also lost a few key kids, and this trend will continue.
As for some teams having older kids, that may be true, but the situation is way overblown. Amazing how LI parents are so obsessed about an issue that doesn't exist.
You are either naive or in denial. The issue does exist and will continue to exist. LI players heve benefitted from playing "up" against the MD teams. This is evidenced later at the collegiate level where the age difference doesn't matter anymore and LI players consistently out perform MD players.
The number of "older" kids from certain states is nominal in numbers. It is also speaks to the paranoia of LI parents. Look at hockey. Nearly every hockey kid from Canada is older than their US counterpart. You don't see US parents crying about any differential in age. Seriously, you look silly.
As for LI kids outperforming MD kids in college (or kids from any state), where is your evidence, and what criteria do you use to determine "better". There are tons of LI kids who do great in the college ranks, and they should - the number of kids from NY who play lacrosse dwarfs any other state.
People bash on the Turtles because they have been an entitled group of kids (and parents) for years. They've also lost a few key kids, and this trend will continue.
As for some teams having older kids, that may be true, but the situation is way overblown. Amazing how LI parents are so obsessed about an issue that doesn't exist.
Issue doesn't exist?? In that well known league in Philly it's an epidemic. To say otherwise is laughable. Believe it or not, some of us folks up here in LI have relatives in Philly and MD. The gig is up. We all know what goes on. I guess we're all making up stories about 6 plus kids on a freshman showcase team being 16?? About ACC freshmen who's freshman room mates are 19 years old and turning 20 by spring. About freshman prep school kids being 2 years older than LI freshman. About 60 percent of all freshman that made jake reed were a year or two older. It's all made up. One last thing... Notice how LI travel teams beat every team up until the summer before 9th grade?? Then all of a sudden our kids can barely beat any of the top teams from out of state??? How does this happen? I wonder? Yet when the LI clubs go to the U-15 Championship they're always in the finals or win it. Oh yeah and the top clubs from MD and Philly don't show up or don't do well. Why?
As the parent of a 1999 freshman I have never complained of kids being held back and will never consider holding my kid back so can give the appearance of being bigger and "better". He has played up on many occasions in club and in school and has never used age as an excuse for someone beating him. He will end up better for it on the field and off. If a kid can only succeed by playing down and being held back he is the one who is at the disadvantage in the end when the younger kids mature and catch up. And he realizes he only succeeded when mom and dad put him up against younger kids.
Only the parent of a kid held back will say the issue is "overblown". Those of us with kids who excelled "on age " against older competition are not complaining or making a big issue of this matter. But we do have pity for your kids. You only think the matter is overblown because of guilt
People bash on the Turtles because they have been an entitled group of kids (and parents) for years. They've also lost a few key kids, and this trend will continue.
As for some teams having older kids, that may be true, but the situation is way overblown. Amazing how LI parents are so obsessed about an issue that doesn't exist.
You are either naive or in denial. The issue does exist and will continue to exist. LI players heve benefitted from playing "up" against the MD teams. This is evidenced later at the collegiate level where the age difference doesn't matter anymore and LI players consistently out perform MD players.
The number of "older" kids from certain states is nominal in numbers. It is also speaks to the paranoia of LI parents. Look at hockey. Nearly every hockey kid from Canada is older than their US counterpart. You don't see US parents crying about any differential in age. Seriously, you look silly.
As for LI kids outperforming MD kids in college (or kids from any state), where is your evidence, and what criteria do you use to determine "better". There are tons of LI kids who do great in the college ranks, and they should - the number of kids from NY who play lacrosse dwarfs any other state.
Look it up...Inside Lacrosse did a piece on this a while back.
LI/NY players out-perform MD players by a long-shot. So keep holding your kids back so your 16 year olds continue to beat the snot out of our 14 year olds. Guess who's going to come out better in the long run.
People bash on the Turtles because they have been an entitled group of kids (and parents) for years. They've also lost a few key kids, and this trend will continue.
As for some teams having older kids, that may be true, but the situation is way overblown. Amazing how LI parents are so obsessed about an issue that doesn't exist.
You are either naive or in denial. The issue does exist and will continue to exist. LI players heve benefitted from playing "up" against the MD teams. This is evidenced later at the collegiate level where the age difference doesn't matter anymore and LI players consistently out perform MD players.
The number of "older" kids from certain states is nominal in numbers. It is also speaks to the paranoia of LI parents. Look at hockey. Nearly every hockey kid from Canada is older than their US counterpart. You don't see US parents crying about any differential in age. Seriously, you look silly.
As for LI kids outperforming MD kids in college (or kids from any state), where is your evidence, and what criteria do you use to determine "better". There are tons of LI kids who do great in the college ranks, and they should - the number of kids from NY who play lacrosse dwarfs any other state.
Here are the numbers.
IL can have all hometown MD kids on the top 50 ranks they want, bottom line they're not the most productive players in college by a long shot.
http://www.insidelacrosse.com/news/2013/08/13/coughlin-analyzing-hotbeds-numbers
Extremely interesting information about the number of players participating in Division I programs as of August 2013. The implication is that the average year would produce about 96 NCAA Division I players per year.
What was surprising is that there are 30.5% of NCAA Division I players that are coming from OUTSIDE of these listed regions.
Region Number of Players % of DI Men’s Lacrosse
Long Island (NY) 386 13.90%
New Jersey 277 10%
DC Metro Area 175 6.30%
Massachusetts 144 5.20%
Upstate/Central (NY) 138 5.00%
Canada 127 4.60%
Philadelphia/Main Line (PA) 126 4.50%
Fairfield County (CT) 110 4.00%
Baltimore Metro Area (MD) 102 3.70%
Ohio 76 2.70%
Westchester County (NY) 75 2.70%
Anne Arundel County (MD) 73 2.60%
California 64 2.30%
Colorado 56 2.00%
So much crying from LI parents. Guess what - when you play in HS and college, you play against older kids all the time. Get over yourself (and no, I don't live in MD or PA).
As for the talk about what will happen in college, who cares? My son loves lacrosse, but that is not going to be his profession. He is going to college to learn and prepare for a professional career outside of sports.
Many of you LI parents are delusional.
...and MD has over 2x the population of LI.
So much crying from LI parents. Guess what - when you play in HS and college, you play against older kids all the time. Get over yourself (and no, I don't live in MD or PA).
As for the talk about what will happen in college, who cares? My son loves lacrosse, but that is not going to be his profession. He is going to college to learn and prepare for a professional career outside of sports.
Many of you LI parents are delusional.
Or Honest....
Who's delusional? Let's bring down the 16 year olds from LI to play your 2017's and then we'll see who's delusional.
Who's delusional? Let's bring down the 16 year olds from LI to play your 2017's and then we'll see who's delusional.
LOL. There are no 2017 teams with 16 year olds. And guess what? Kids play older kids in HS and college all the time.
There is a direct correlation between crying over this non-issue and intelligence. And seemingly living in LI as well.
...and MD has over 2x the population of LI.
LOL. I don't live in Maryland, but I have access to this new fangled Google machine, and this is what it spit out:
Population of Long Island: 7.57 million people
Population of Maryland: 5.89 million people
Don't let facts get in your way.
I didn't mean to kindle the flames of hate, but my ideas on this were merely based upon some sideline chats with parents of these kids on non-Long Island teams. The parents were not ashamed of the age difference. I am wondering why some folks, while on these threads, seem to completely deny the situation. It is frustrating, and I was hoping to start, or take place in more of a discussion forum. Never mind. Thanks, and good day!
Not so much crying, but highlighting a seemingly unfair advantage in competition. We will continue on our path, in a sportsmanlike manner, but the fact remains, that many of these competitors will attend a freshman year of college at age 20. It is your turn to now cast insults, my non-long island friend.
I love reading these posts. You guys are really doing a disservice to the reasonable people from LI.
How does one contest the claim, "there are no 2017 teams with 16 yr olds"?
Do you guys get paid for each whine?
Some of us LI parents have no problem playing against older kids. Bring it on. That's what we do in high school. Most of the better players on LI would have no interest in being left back a year because they don't need to.
Some of us LI parents have no problem playing against older kids. Bring it on. That's what we do in high school. Most of the better players on LI would have no interest in being left back a year because they don't need to.
It's funny how many of you get worked up over a handful of kids who may reclassify. You guys make it sound like the entire state is repeating a year.
LOL. Good Lord - there is a lot of paranoia on this board.
When its all said and done its more than a handful. No complaining here. I agree with the previous post. Our kids will play with older kids all day long!!!! "If you can play then you can play". I don't care if some these kids are 30 when they start college. That's on them. For our LI guys who play ....age is meaningless. But one thing is for sure. You guys would not want go up against the better LI kids if they "reclassified ".
...and MD has over 2x the population of LI.
LOL. I don't live in Maryland, but I have access to this new fangled Google machine, and this is what it spit out:
Population of Long Island: 7.57 million people
Population of Maryland: 5.89 million people
Don't let facts get in your way.
The 7.57 million includes approximately 5 million people from Brooklyn and Queens. These are boroughs in NYC where lacrosse is barely played. The 386 Div. 1 players from LI all come fromm Nassau and Suffolk counties.
3 of 4 players on some teams, no? Repeating a year, I mean. Is this not so? It seems that if you would stop the denial of this, it may die off a bit. I guess that soon somebody will start naming which teams, kids names, etc. Not a good direction.
When its all said and done its more than a handful. No complaining here. I agree with the previous post. Our kids will play with older kids all day long!!!! "If you can play then you can play". I don't care if some these kids are 30 when they start college. That's on them. For our LI guys who play ....age is meaningless. But one thing is for sure. You guys would not want go up against the better LI kids if they "reclassified ".
LOL. The fact that you can even say in jest "kids are 30 when they start college" shows you have some serious insecurity issues.
Some of us LI parents have no problem playing against older kids. Bring it on. That's what we do in high school. Most of the better players on LI would have no interest in being left back a year because they don't need to.
One parents experience:
I put my son on a u17 travel team after his first year playing varsity for a top Suffolk team where he hardly saw the field. Playing up that summer he was noticed as a rising sophomore that was able to hold his own with kids 1,2 and 3 years older. The coaches respected that and the interest poured in. Yale, Princeton, UNC, Maryland, Syracuse, Georgetown etc. We seized the moment and committed with a great offer. I believe my son's ability to show how could play and perform against older kids was impressive to the coaches. No excuses about being younger. Nobody cares, especially college coaches! Stop complaining about the age difference and use it to your advantage!
How badly would you whine if your teams were on a level playing field, against same aged players?
I feel sad for the parents that held their mediocre '16 back so he can get noticed amongst the 17's. If they were any good they would have been recruited last year. They'll be the most at risk at the next level as they wont be used to being challenged.
I think it sends a bad message to the child.
"hey sonny boy, you are not good enough to play against your own age , so we are going to have you play against the little kids so you standout more"
not a good message
3 of 4 players on some teams, no? Repeating a year, I mean. Is this not so? It seems that if you would stop the denial of this, it may die off a bit. I guess that soon somebody will start naming which teams, kids names, etc. Not a good direction.
Nope. That number is exaggerated. Nice try. Anything to justify a loss, I guess.
...and MD has over 2x the population of LI.
LOL. I don't live in Maryland, but I have access to this new fangled Google machine, and this is what it spit out:
Population of Long Island: 7.57 million people
Population of Maryland: 5.89 million people
Don't let facts get in your way.
The 7.57 million includes approximately 5 million people from Brooklyn and Queens. These are boroughs in NYC where lacrosse is barely played. The 386 Div. 1 players from LI all come fromm Nassau and Suffolk counties.
And you think the entire state of MD plays lacrosse? LOL. Keep warping FACTS.
I think it sends a bad message to the child.
"hey sonny boy, you are not good enough to play against your own age , so we are going to have you play against the little kids so you standout more"
not a good message
I posted this last year but think it is appropriate for this discussion again. My 2017 son (who had just turned 14) attended Jake Reed last summer and I was told by Jake Reed himself that over 70 of the 120 kids there were technically a year older than most state age cutoffs for rising freshman would be (not just LI which is more conservative). There were many 15 year olds and several 16 year olds. People were not even shy discussing it or hiding it. This is pervasive and becoming more so. Particularly when someone like Jamie Munro is essentially advocating it at his recruiting seminars at his camps. Not sour grapes here or an excuse, and kids need to compete regardless if they want to have opportunities, and I realize coaches don't really care, just the facts.
There is absolutely no denying that there are 16 year old kids playing on 2017 teams. My son and I were at the Warrior Diamond Showcase and there were kids openly talking about how old they were and how they repeated years and so on. Several of them were from a certain Baltimore area travel organization that just so happened to be hosting the event. I really don't care one way or another, my son will compete and be fine, but the physical difference between a 16 year old and a 14 year old is undeniable. The older kids at the Warrior definitely stood out and were definitely noticed by the few college coaches that were there. I think its definitely an unfair advantage but I also think thats the way it is and not worth complaining about. However, the denials that this is going on is just plain laughable. At the fl$ in 3D shootout a few weeks ago, the 3D Canada team was filled with 17 year old "reclassified" kids who were playing in a 2016 bracket. One mother told a few of us her son started school late, and shes already held him back a year, and shes considering having him do a PG year if hes drawing interest from a big time school. Make no mistake, this is something the Director of 3D lacrosse openly advocates. He did it with his own son, who is 16 years old and a 2017 and just committed to North Carolina. This is not some delusional, made up conspiracy by Long Island parents, this is an actual strategy by many coaches and parents alike to give their sons an edge in college recruitment. Like someone stated earlier, "college coaches only care about grade, not age". Given the fact that the college recruitment schedule seems like it has accelerated, there is no denying that this is giving these older kids an advantage. Just take a look at the 2017 kids that have committed so far, not one of them is a true 2017, all of them are hold backs and "reclassified". So in closing I would say to the Long Island parents to stop whining because theres nothing we can do about it, and I would say to the parents of the hold backs and grade repeaters, stop denying it and be truthful about it already.
3 of 4 players on some teams, no? Repeating a year, I mean. Is this not so? It seems that if you would stop the denial of this, it may die off a bit. I guess that soon somebody will start naming which teams, kids names, etc. Not a good direction.
Nope. That number is exaggerated. Nice try. Anything to justify a loss, I guess.
Keep denying it. Its actually sad and laughable how you are all denying this is going on. There are several directors of big time travel organizations that are openly advocating holding back your son and repeating years to have him gain an edge in recruiting. It is a fact that this is going on, its not in question so you denying it makes you look silly and small.
Oh and yeah BTW our best Long Island team which is age appropriate smoked the best Maryland team with a roster full of "reclassifieds". So I dont think anyone is trying to justify a loss here, just calling it like it is. Your turn.
...and MD has over 2x the population of LI.
LOL. I don't live in Maryland, but I have access to this new fangled Google machine, and this is what it spit out:
Population of Long Island: 7.57 million people
Population of Maryland: 5.89 million people
This is true if you include the NYC Boro's of Brooklyn and Queens. Geographicly on Long Island, but not part of the lacrosse landscape.
Don't let facts get in your way.
There is absolutely no denying that there are 16 year old kids playing on 2017 teams. My son and I were at the Warrior Diamond Showcase and there were kids openly talking about how old they were and how they repeated years and so on. Several of them were from a certain Baltimore area travel organization that just so happened to be hosting the event. I really don't care one way or another, my son will compete and be fine, but the physical difference between a 16 year old and a 14 year old is undeniable. The older kids at the Warrior definitely stood out and were definitely noticed by the few college coaches that were there. I think its definitely an unfair advantage but I also think thats the way it is and not worth complaining about. However, the denials that this is going on is just plain laughable. At the fl$ in 3D shootout a few weeks ago, the 3D Canada team was filled with 17 year old "reclassified" kids who were playing in a 2016 bracket. One mother told a few of us her son started school late, and shes already held him back a year, and shes considering having him do a PG year if hes drawing interest from a big time school. Make no mistake, this is something the Director of 3D lacrosse openly advocates. He did it with his own son, who is 16 years old and a 2017 and just committed to North Carolina. This is not some delusional, made up conspiracy by Long Island parents, this is an actual strategy by many coaches and parents alike to give their sons an edge in college recruitment. Like someone stated earlier, "college coaches only care about grade, not age". Given the fact that the college recruitment schedule seems like it has accelerated, there is no denying that this is giving these older kids an advantage. Just take a look at the 2017 kids that have committed so far, not one of them is a true 2017, all of them are hold backs and "reclassified". So in closing I would say to the Long Island parents to stop whining because theres nothing we can do about it, and I would say to the parents of the hold backs and grade repeaters, stop denying it and be truthful about it already.
While you're on this paranoia kick, the Warrior Diamond Showcase is sponsored by Aloha Tournaments, not the club you are alluding to.
LOL. Keep crying. I am from neither MD or PA, but enjoy seeing you guys whine incesssantly.
Actually Mr Wikipedia , the population of LI is approx 2.8 million. You must not live here to think 8 mil live in Nassau and Suffolk. Not that much lax in the city ..... Yet.
There is absolutely no denying that there are 16 year old kids playing on 2017 teams. My son and I were at the Warrior Diamond Showcase and there were kids openly talking about how old they were and how they repeated years and so on. Several of them were from a certain Baltimore area travel organization that just so happened to be hosting the event. I really don't care one way or another, my son will compete and be fine, but the physical difference between a 16 year old and a 14 year old is undeniable. The older kids at the Warrior definitely stood out and were definitely noticed by the few college coaches that were there. I think its definitely an unfair advantage but I also think thats the way it is and not worth complaining about. However, the denials that this is going on is just plain laughable. At the fl$ in 3D shootout a few weeks ago, the 3D Canada team was filled with 17 year old "reclassified" kids who were playing in a 2016 bracket. One mother told a few of us her son started school late, and shes already held him back a year, and shes considering having him do a PG year if hes drawing interest from a big time school. Make no mistake, this is something the Director of 3D lacrosse openly advocates. He did it with his own son, who is 16 years old and a 2017 and just committed to North Carolina. This is not some delusional, made up conspiracy by Long Island parents, this is an actual strategy by many coaches and parents alike to give their sons an edge in college recruitment. Like someone stated earlier, "college coaches only care about grade, not age". Given the fact that the college recruitment schedule seems like it has accelerated, there is no denying that this is giving these older kids an advantage. Just take a look at the 2017 kids that have committed so far, not one of them is a true 2017, all of them are hold backs and "reclassified". So in closing I would say to the Long Island parents to stop whining because theres nothing we can do about it, and I would say to the parents of the hold backs and grade repeaters, stop denying it and be truthful about it already.
While you're on this paranoia kick, the Warrior Diamond Showcase is sponsored by Aloha Tournaments, not the club you are alluding to.
LOL. Keep crying. I am from neither MD or PA, but enjoy seeing you guys whine incesssantly.
I hope your sons reading comprehension skills are better than yours, I didnt see any whining in the guys post. I believe he stated clearly in the post for Long Island parents to stop whining.
Oh and BTW I dont care who the Warrior was sponsored by, I was there too and the director of the BLC stood up in front of all the parents and gave a big speech and thanked everyone for coming and he made it very clear he was running the event. Oh and his whole 2017 team was there too.
Age based for everything... it's the only answer. Everyone needs to start demanding it. If we could somehow start boycotting these events, it would change everything. If we can re-direct the money flow we can change the system. For the good of the kids and the game.
Age based for everything... it's the only answer. Everyone needs to start demanding it. If we could somehow start boycotting these events, it would change everything. If we can re-direct the money flow we can change the system. For the good of the kids and the game.
Start writing to both the Long Island Metropolitan Lacrosse Foundation and to US Lacrosse - demand that they begin to sanction tournaments on a U-age basis and that they enforce their player pass/birthday rosters.
The problem is the US Lacrosse is only concerned about registration numbers - not conformance to age group specifications. It is one thing to publish U-age standards. It is quite another to enforce it.
Threaten to STOP your registrations - including within your club - with US Lacrosse. Exactly what are they doing for you?
3 of 4 players on some teams, no? Repeating a year, I mean. Is this not so? It seems that if you would stop the denial of this, it may die off a bit. I guess that soon somebody will start naming which teams, kids names, etc. Not a good direction.
Nope. That number is exaggerated. Nice try. Anything to justify a loss, I guess.
Keep denying it. Its actually sad and laughable how you are all denying this is going on. There are several directors of big time travel organizations that are openly advocating holding back your son and repeating years to have him gain an edge in recruiting. It is a fact that this is going on, its not in question so you denying it makes you look silly and small.
Oh and yeah BTW our best Long Island team which is age appropriate smoked the best Maryland team with a roster full of "reclassifieds". So I dont think anyone is trying to justify a loss here, just calling it like it is. Your turn.
And what team might that be? Because if it is the one everyone is thinking about that starts with a T, coaches son is a holdback.
There are kids on my son's 2017 team who were 2016's that reclassified. The problems I have as a parent are:
1. What happened to the term "held back" or "repeating a grade"? That's what we called it when I grew up. Did Dr. Phil come up with the term "reclassified" to make the self esteem issues a bit more managed? For the self esteem of the parents I mean.
2. Most of the reclassified kids in MD on these clubs aren't getting a second chance to be showcased, they are actually screwing the 14 year old out of his only chance unless his parents join this mentality. So you have a smart kid making good grades and having friends in his age peer group and you send him to a MD prep school to repeat 9th grade?!?
3. Most of the kids that reclassify aren't good enough anyways to attract attention from top schools anyways regardless of this repeating grades stuff.
There are kids on my son's 2017 team who were 2016's that reclassified. The problems I have as a parent are:
1. What happened to the term "held back" or "repeating a grade"? That's what we called it when I grew up. Did Dr. Phil come up with the term "reclassified" to make the self esteem issues a bit more managed? For the self esteem of the parents I mean.
2. Most of the reclassified kids in MD on these clubs aren't getting a second chance to be showcased, they are actually screwing the 14 year old out of his only chance unless his parents join this mentality. So you have a smart kid making good grades and having friends in his age peer group and you send him to a MD prep school to repeat 9th grade?!?
3. Most of the kids that reclassify aren't good enough anyways to attract attention from top schools anyways regardless of this repeating grades stuff.
I too heard the same stat from Jake Reed, and at the seminar at the 3d thing down in Florida heard the same general statement from Munro about reclassifying kids. I don't see how people can't think it is big deal. A nine to fourteen month age advantage at this level can be the difference between getting recruited and not, especially with college coaches lining the sidelines of 2017 games.
It is a game we won't play, but honestly don't know how a coach can evaluate that. I know they only care about grad year, but if the kid is running by people because he is more or less fully developed what happens when he can't?
There are exceptions. I think Munro's kid is one of them, if there was another Powell, Gait, Stanwick, or Bocklett, would probably be doing my best to get them as well, but for just about everyone else wait and see how they do in high school against kids in their same developmental category.
3 of 4 players on some teams, no? Repeating a year, I mean. Is this not so? It seems that if you would stop the denial of this, it may die off a bit. I guess that soon somebody will start naming which teams, kids names, etc. Not a good direction.
Nope. That number is exaggerated. Nice try. Anything to justify a loss, I guess.
Keep denying it. Its actually sad and laughable how you are all denying this is going on. There are several directors of big time travel organizations that are openly advocating holding back your son and repeating years to have him gain an edge in recruiting. It is a fact that this is going on, its not in question so you denying it makes you look silly and small.
Oh and yeah BTW our best Long Island team which is age appropriate smoked the best Maryland team with a roster full of "reclassifieds". So I dont think anyone is trying to justify a loss here, just calling it like it is. Your turn.
And what team might that be? Because if it is the one everyone is thinking about that starts with a T, coaches son is a holdback.
Yes the Turtles. Coaches son is a holdback? Is he 16? Cause you can be a holdback and still be 15
3 of 4 players on some teams, no? Repeating a year, I mean. Is this not so? It seems that if you would stop the denial of this, it may die off a bit. I guess that soon somebody will start naming which teams, kids names, etc. Not a good direction.
Nope. That number is exaggerated. Nice try. Anything to justify a loss, I guess.
Keep denying it. Its actually sad and laughable how you are all denying this is going on. There are several directors of big time travel organizations that are openly advocating holding back your son and repeating years to have him gain an edge in recruiting. It is a fact that this is going on, its not in question so you denying it makes you look silly and small.
Oh and yeah BTW our best Long Island team which is age appropriate smoked the best Maryland team with a roster full of "reclassifieds". So I dont think anyone is trying to justify a loss here, just calling it like it is. Your turn.
And what team might that be? Because if it is the one everyone is thinking about that starts with a T, coaches son is a holdback.
Yes the Turtles. Coaches son is a holdback? Is he 16? Cause you can be a holdback and still be 15
That's so true and probably is for the majority of the cases. My son's teammate on 2017 team just turned 15 and he redid 8th grade last year.
3 of 4 players on some teams, no? Repeating a year, I mean. Is this not so? It seems that if you would stop the denial of this, it may die off a bit. I guess that soon somebody will start naming which teams, kids names, etc. Not a good direction.
Nope. That number is exaggerated. Nice try. Anything to justify a loss, I guess.
Keep denying it. Its actually sad and laughable how you are all denying this is going on. There are several directors of big time travel organizations that are openly advocating holding back your son and repeating years to have him gain an edge in recruiting. It is a fact that this is going on, its not in question so you denying it makes you look silly and small.
Oh and yeah BTW our best Long Island team which is age appropriate smoked the best Maryland team with a roster full of "reclassifieds". So I dont think anyone is trying to justify a loss here, just calling it like it is. Your turn.
And what team might that be? Because if it is the one everyone is thinking about that starts with a T, coaches son is a holdback.
Yes the Turtles. Coaches son is a holdback? Is he 16? Cause you can be a holdback and still be 15
FYI: All true sophomores are currently 14 and 15. They won't start turning 16 till late December in most schools. Freshman should be 13/14 now
FYI: All true sophomores are currently 14 and 15. They won't start turning 16 till late December in most schools. Freshman should be 13/14 now
For school districts that have a December 1st cutoff date, the first sixteen year old true sophomores will appear tomorrow.
12/01/95 - 08/31/96 ... Class of 2014 ... 12th Grade ... U/18
09/01/96 - 11/30/96 ... Class of 2014 ... 12th Grade ... U/17
12/01/96 - 08/31/97 ... Class of 2015 ... 11th Grade ... U/17
09/01/97 - 11/30/97 ... Class of 2015 ... 11th Grade ... U/16
12/01/97 - 08/31/98 ... Class of 2016 ... 10th Grade ... U/16
09/01/98 - 11/30/98 ... Class of 2016 ... 10th Grade ... U/15
12/01/98 - 08/31/99 ... Class of 2017 ... 9th Grade .... U/15
09/01/99 - 11/30/99 ... Class of 2017 ... 9th Grade .... U/14
FYI: All true sophomores are currently 14 and 15. They won't start turning 16 till late December in most schools. Freshman should be 13/14 now
For school districts that have a December 1st cutoff date, the first sixteen year old true sophomores will appear tomorrow.
12/01/95 - 08/31/96 ... Class of 2014 ... 12th Grade ... U/18
09/01/96 - 11/30/96 ... Class of 2014 ... 12th Grade ... U/17
12/01/96 - 08/31/97 ... Class of 2015 ... 11th Grade ... U/17
09/01/97 - 11/30/97 ... Class of 2015 ... 11th Grade ... U/16
12/01/97 - 08/31/98 ... Class of 2016 ... 10th Grade ... U/16
09/01/98 - 11/30/98 ... Class of 2016 ... 10th Grade ... U/15
12/01/98 - 08/31/99 ... Class of 2017 ... 9th Grade .... U/15
09/01/99 - 11/30/99 ... Class of 2017 ... 9th Grade .... U/14
Thanks Cage! So if a kid you know is in 9th grade and is 15 today, they should not really be in 9th grade! HOLDBACK!!
FYI: All true sophomores are currently 14 and 15. They won't start turning 16 till late December in most schools. Freshman should be 13/14 now
For school districts that have a December 1st cutoff date, the first sixteen year old true sophomores will appear tomorrow.
12/01/95 - 08/31/96 ... Class of 2014 ... 12th Grade ... U/18
09/01/96 - 11/30/96 ... Class of 2014 ... 12th Grade ... U/17
12/01/96 - 08/31/97 ... Class of 2015 ... 11th Grade ... U/17
09/01/97 - 11/30/97 ... Class of 2015 ... 11th Grade ... U/16
12/01/97 - 08/31/98 ... Class of 2016 ... 10th Grade ... U/16
09/01/98 - 11/30/98 ... Class of 2016 ... 10th Grade ... U/15
12/01/98 - 08/31/99 ... Class of 2017 ... 9th Grade .... U/15
09/01/99 - 11/30/99 ... Class of 2017 ... 9th Grade .... U/14
Thanks Cage! So if a kid you know is in 9th grade and is 15 today, they should not really be in 9th grade! HOLDBACK!!
A fifteen year old freshman could be in a school district with a class year cutoff earlier than December 1st. The child also could have been held back before kindergarten and registered one year later. Finally, the student could have been held back for academic or athletic reasons. There are multiple explanations for a fifteen year old freshman player.
FYI: All true sophomores are currently 14 and 15. They won't start turning 16 till late December in most schools. Freshman should be 13/14 now
For school districts that have a December 1st cutoff date, the first sixteen year old true sophomores will appear tomorrow.
12/01/95 - 08/31/96 ... Class of 2014 ... 12th Grade ... U/18
09/01/96 - 11/30/96 ... Class of 2014 ... 12th Grade ... U/17
12/01/96 - 08/31/97 ... Class of 2015 ... 11th Grade ... U/17
09/01/97 - 11/30/97 ... Class of 2015 ... 11th Grade ... U/16
12/01/97 - 08/31/98 ... Class of 2016 ... 10th Grade ... U/16
09/01/98 - 11/30/98 ... Class of 2016 ... 10th Grade ... U/15
12/01/98 - 08/31/99 ... Class of 2017 ... 9th Grade .... U/15
09/01/99 - 11/30/99 ... Class of 2017 ... 9th Grade .... U/14
Thanks Cage! So if a kid you know is in 9th grade and is 15 today, they should not really be in 9th grade! HOLDBACK!!
A fifteen year old freshman could be in a school district with a class year cutoff earlier than December 1st. The child also could have been held back before kindergarten and registered one year later. Finally, the student could have been held back for academic or athletic reasons. There are multiple explanations for a fifteen year old freshman player.
My son just turned 15 last week and was not held back and is clearly within the cutoff within NJ for a typical freshman. The 16 thing is ridiculous, I agree and a kid must be help back in any state if already 16. However, we do need to recognize different states have different cutoffs than LI.
FYI: All true sophomores are currently 14 and 15. They won't start turning 16 till late December in most schools. Freshman should be 13/14 now
For school districts that have a December 1st cutoff date, the first sixteen year old true sophomores will appear tomorrow.
12/01/95 - 08/31/96 ... Class of 2014 ... 12th Grade ... U/18
09/01/96 - 11/30/96 ... Class of 2014 ... 12th Grade ... U/17
12/01/96 - 08/31/97 ... Class of 2015 ... 11th Grade ... U/17
09/01/97 - 11/30/97 ... Class of 2015 ... 11th Grade ... U/16
12/01/97 - 08/31/98 ... Class of 2016 ... 10th Grade ... U/16
09/01/98 - 11/30/98 ... Class of 2016 ... 10th Grade ... U/15
12/01/98 - 08/31/99 ... Class of 2017 ... 9th Grade .... U/15
09/01/99 - 11/30/99 ... Class of 2017 ... 9th Grade .... U/14
Thanks Cage! So if a kid you know is in 9th grade and is 15 today, they should not really be in 9th grade! HOLDBACK!!
A fifteen year old freshman could be in a school district with a class year cutoff earlier than December 1st. The child also could have been held back before kindergarten and registered one year later. Finally, the student could have been held back for academic or athletic reasons. There are multiple explanations for a fifteen year old freshman player.
Thanks Cage. It seems that California, Florida, MD, PA, etc all use 5 years old by Sept 1 to enter kindergarten. That would put kids born after Sept 1, 1998 as 15 year old freshman. No holdbacks, just timing.
So where is the argument to change school age cutoff nationwide so that LI kids aren't having to play and learn against older kids?
FYI: All true sophomores are currently 14 and 15. They won't start turning 16 till late December in most schools. Freshman should be 13/14 now
For school districts that have a December 1st cutoff date, the first sixteen year old true sophomores will appear tomorrow.
12/01/95 - 08/31/96 ... Class of 2014 ... 12th Grade ... U/18
09/01/96 - 11/30/96 ... Class of 2014 ... 12th Grade ... U/17
12/01/96 - 08/31/97 ... Class of 2015 ... 11th Grade ... U/17
09/01/97 - 11/30/97 ... Class of 2015 ... 11th Grade ... U/16
12/01/97 - 08/31/98 ... Class of 2016 ... 10th Grade ... U/16
09/01/98 - 11/30/98 ... Class of 2016 ... 10th Grade ... U/15
12/01/98 - 08/31/99 ... Class of 2017 ... 9th Grade .... U/15
09/01/99 - 11/30/99 ... Class of 2017 ... 9th Grade .... U/14
Thanks Cage! So if a kid you know is in 9th grade and is 15 today, they should not really be in 9th grade! HOLDBACK!!
A fifteen year old freshman could be in a school district with a class year cutoff earlier than December 1st. The child also could have been held back before kindergarten and registered one year later. Finally, the student could have been held back for academic or athletic reasons. There are multiple explanations for a fifteen year old freshman player.
Thanks Cage. It seems that California, Florida, MD, PA, etc all use 5 years old by Sept 1 to enter kindergarten. That would put kids born after Sept 1, 1998 as 15 year old freshman. No holdbacks, just timing.
So where is the argument to change school age cutoff nationwide so that LI kids aren't having to play and learn against older kids?
Yes many reasons, still a HOLDBACK! And I think it has been well established that those kids have an athletic advantage, no matter what the motive!
Yes many reasons, still a HOLDBACK! And I think it has been well established that those kids have an athletic advantage, no matter what the motive!
If the school district in which you live has a cutoff date of September 1st as opposed to December 1st, your freshman child could already be fifteen years old (plus three months) without having been held back.
Your statement is incorrect, uninformed, and capitalized to emphasize your error.
Yes many reasons, still a HOLDBACK! And I think it has been well established that those kids have an athletic advantage, no matter what the motive!
If the school district in which you live has a cutoff date of September 1st as opposed to December 1st, your freshman child could already be fifteen years old (plus three months) without having been held back.
Your statement is incorrect, uninformed, and capitalized to emphasize your error.
Exactly, Cage. Although some kids undoubtedly choose to repeat for athletic reasons, one cannot conclude that teams that hail from a particular state automatically have older kids (and if they do, who cares? Just play the game).
I find it sad that some LI parents resort to perceived slights or unfair advantages as an excuse whenever their son's team loses. Just man up and play.
Yes many reasons, still a HOLDBACK! And I think it has been well established that those kids have an athletic advantage, no matter what the motive!
If the school district in which you live has a cutoff date of September 1st as opposed to December 1st, your freshman child could already be fifteen years old (plus three months) without having been held back.
Your statement is incorrect, uninformed, and capitalized to emphasize your error.
Thought we were talking LI teams here, which according to your own post would make me correct? Am I wrong ? You did say Dec 1 cutoff for most LI school districts. Obviously not all part of the country operate the same way, and I never implied that they did!
Yes many reasons, still a HOLDBACK! And I think it has been well established that those kids have an athletic advantage, no matter what the motive!
If the school district in which you live has a cutoff date of September 1st as opposed to December 1st, your freshman child could already be fifteen years old (plus three months) without having been held back.
Your statement is incorrect, uninformed, and capitalized to emphasize your error.
I just did a little research and could not find one LI public school district that had a cutoff earlier than Nov 30 ! Am I still incorrect and uninformed? Just wondering? Just Keeping it real. Think this whole discussion started about a Long Island team holdback. I think we all know what happens outside the Island already.
Yes many reasons, still a HOLDBACK! And I think it has been well established that those kids have an athletic advantage, no matter what the motive!
If the school district in which you live has a cutoff date of September 1st as opposed to December 1st, your freshman child could already be fifteen years old (plus three months) without having been held back.
Your statement is incorrect, uninformed, and capitalized to emphasize your error.
I just did a little research and could not find one LI public school district that had a cutoff earlier than Nov 30 ! Am I still incorrect and uninformed? Just wondering? Just Keeping it real. Think this whole discussion started about a Long Island team holdback. I think we all know what happens outside the Island already.
There are two interspersed threads here - one talking about only Long Island and a second talking about other areas of the country. (This is one reason why registering an account helps with the conversation.)
For a strictly Long Island point of view, December 1st is the cutoff date. That would of course make you correct. Apologies as we took your addition to be off-Island.
Yes many reasons, still a HOLDBACK! And I think it has been well established that those kids have an athletic advantage, no matter what the motive!
If the school district in which you live has a cutoff date of September 1st as opposed to December 1st, your freshman child could already be fifteen years old (plus three months) without having been held back.
Your statement is incorrect, uninformed, and capitalized to emphasize your error.
I just did a little research and could not find one LI public school district that had a cutoff earlier than Nov 30 ! Am I still incorrect and uninformed? Just wondering? Just Keeping it real. Think this whole discussion started about a Long Island team holdback. I think we all know what happens outside the Island already.
There are two interspersed threads here - one talking about only Long Island and a second talking about other areas of the country. (This is one reason why registering an account helps with the conversation.)
For a strictly Long Island point of view, December 1st is the cutoff date. That would of course make you correct. Apologies as we took your addition to be off-Island.
No Problem! As always your commentary is valued!
This does bring up another interesting aspect about age and grade. I was not aware that there was as much as a 4 month variation in cutoff age. My son was actually one of the lucky ones that excelled among older kids, but I have seem others suffer because of it.
Yes many reasons, still a HOLDBACK! And I think it has been well established that those kids have an athletic advantage, no matter what the motive!
If the school district in which you live has a cutoff date of September 1st as opposed to December 1st, your freshman child could already be fifteen years old (plus three months) without having been held back.
Your statement is incorrect, uninformed, and capitalized to emphasize your error.
I just did a little research and could not find one LI public school district that had a cutoff earlier than Nov 30 ! Am I still incorrect and uninformed? Just wondering? Just Keeping it real. Think this whole discussion started about a Long Island team holdback. I think we all know what happens outside the Island already.
Oh please, stop thinking so little. Is the lacrosse world only Long Island? Of course not!! Just because LI has a Dec 1 cutoff, why does that mean we have to be at a disadvantage among the rest of the country? Stop being so naive. This topic is really getting boring to read.
Yes many reasons, still a HOLDBACK! And I think it has been well established that those kids have an athletic advantage, no matter what the motive!
If the school district in which you live has a cutoff date of September 1st as opposed to December 1st, your freshman child could already be fifteen years old (plus three months) without having been held back.
Your statement is incorrect, uninformed, and capitalized to emphasize your error.
Thank you for your precise statement. These posters are just plain dumb - on many levels!!
Yes many reasons, still a HOLDBACK! And I think it has been well established that those kids have an athletic advantage, no matter what the motive!
If the school district in which you live has a cutoff date of September 1st as opposed to December 1st, your freshman child could already be fifteen years old (plus three months) without having been held back.
Your statement is incorrect, uninformed, and capitalized to emphasize your error.
I just did a little research and could not find one LI public school district that had a cutoff earlier than Nov 30 ! Am I still incorrect and uninformed? Just wondering? Just Keeping it real. Think this whole discussion started about a Long Island team holdback. I think we all know what happens outside the Island already.
There are two interspersed threads here - one talking about only Long Island and a second talking about other areas of the country. (This is one reason why registering an account helps with the conversation.)
For a strictly Long Island point of view, December 1st is the cutoff date. That would of course make you correct. Apologies as we took your addition to be off-Island.
No Problem! As always your commentary is valued!
This does bring up another interesting aspect about age and grade. I was not aware that there was as much as a 4 month variation in cutoff age. My son was actually one of the lucky ones that excelled among older kids, but I have seem others suffer because of it.
Without knowing your son's birthday, it's all relative. First off, having a Sept 1 cutoff (MD & others) vs Dec 1 cutoff (LI) is a 3 month difference, not 4. But besides that, some parents may choose to err on the side of reason. For example, let's say Johnny lives in Manhasset and was born September 3, 1998. By LI cutoff he is a h.s. sophomore that graduates in 2016. AND at the youngest end of his class. Now if he lived in MD, he would be in the class of 2017 and would be one of the oldest in his class. Now that's without any repeats which we know MD is notorious for. Just stating the facts (and obvious options) because this subject is getting boring. Do the right thing with your kid whatever that may be and stop complaining that MD has a disadvantage. And not for nothing - you should thank the older kids on your son's teams as they do an awful lot of hard work on the field to get the rest some notice.
FYI: All true sophomores are currently 14 and 15. They won't start turning 16 till late December in most schools. Freshman should be 13/14 now
For school districts that have a December 1st cutoff date, the first sixteen year old true sophomores will appear tomorrow.
12/01/95 - 08/31/96 ... Class of 2014 ... 12th Grade ... U/18
09/01/96 - 11/30/96 ... Class of 2014 ... 12th Grade ... U/17
12/01/96 - 08/31/97 ... Class of 2015 ... 11th Grade ... U/17
09/01/97 - 11/30/97 ... Class of 2015 ... 11th Grade ... U/16
12/01/97 - 08/31/98 ... Class of 2016 ... 10th Grade ... U/16
09/01/98 - 11/30/98 ... Class of 2016 ... 10th Grade ... U/15
12/01/98 - 08/31/99 ... Class of 2017 ... 9th Grade .... U/15
09/01/99 - 11/30/99 ... Class of 2017 ... 9th Grade .... U/14
Thanks Cage! So if a kid you know is in 9th grade and is 15 today, they should not really be in 9th grade! HOLDBACK!!
A fifteen year old freshman could be in a school district with a class year cutoff earlier than December 1st. The child also could have been held back before kindergarten and registered one year later. Finally, the student could have been held back for academic or athletic reasons. There are multiple explanations for a fifteen year old freshman player.
Thanks Cage. It seems that California, Florida, MD, PA, etc all use 5 years old by Sept 1 to enter kindergarten. That would put kids born after Sept 1, 1998 as 15 year old freshman. No holdbacks, just timing.
So where is the argument to change school age cutoff nationwide so that LI kids aren't having to play and learn against older kids?
Yes many reasons, still a HOLDBACK! And I think it has been well established that those kids have an athletic advantage, no matter what the motive!
Stop whinig
Research was well done regarding the age stipulations for respective grades. Well done. I think that the point being driven at is the sleaziness in HOLDING BACK. Just sleazy, if for athletic advantage. That is an opinion, which is very hard to disprove. Debate about the dates all that you wish. Repeating a year of schooling is done in many cases to gain a maturity advantage over others. Why slither away from that assertion?
Agree with many of the posters against hold backs, particularly at youth. Poster is right, that 16 yo holdback is competing with your 14 yo for one of the 700 or so D1 spots.
I saw something interesting recently while registering a team for a US Lacrose tourney. There was a statement in bold red letters "USLacrosse is working on a comprehensive age verification system..." The registration process went on to request an uploaded proof of age, e.g., birth cert., passport, etc. Maybe there is hope for a standardized system!
Yes many reasons, still a HOLDBACK! And I think it has been well established that those kids have an athletic advantage, no matter what the motive!
If the school district in which you live has a cutoff date of September 1st as opposed to December 1st, your freshman child could already be fifteen years old (plus three months) without having been held back.
Your statement is incorrect, uninformed, and capitalized to emphasize your error.
I just did a little research and could not find one LI public school district that had a cutoff earlier than Nov 30 ! Am I still incorrect and uninformed? Just wondering? Just Keeping it real. Think this whole discussion started about a Long Island team holdback. I think we all know what happens outside the Island already.
There are two interspersed threads here - one talking about only Long Island and a second talking about other areas of the country. (This is one reason why registering an account helps with the conversation.)
For a strictly Long Island point of view, December 1st is the cutoff date. That would of course make you correct. Apologies as we took your addition to be off-Island.
No Problem! As always your commentary is valued!
This does bring up another interesting aspect about age and grade. I was not aware that there was as much as a 4 month variation in cutoff age. My son was actually one of the lucky ones that excelled among older kids, but I have seem others suffer because of it.
Without knowing your son's birthday, it's all relative. First off, having a Sept 1 cutoff (MD & others) vs Dec 1 cutoff (LI) is a 3 month difference, not 4. But besides that, some parents may choose to err on the side of reason. For example, let's say Johnny lives in Manhasset and was born September 3, 1998. By LI cutoff he is a h.s. sophomore that graduates in 2016. AND at the youngest end of his class. Now if he lived in MD, he would be in the class of 2017 and would be one of the oldest in his class. Now that's without any repeats which we know MD is notorious for. Just stating the facts (and obvious options) because this subject is getting boring. Do the right thing with your kid whatever that may be and stop complaining that MD has a disadvantage. And not for nothing - you should thank the older kids on your son's teams as they do an awful lot of hard work on the field to get the rest some notice.
Did you know not all schools have Dec 1 cutoff? NYC uses Dec31, and I don't know about every individual LI school district. So 4 mos diff, like I said is correct in many instances. Was that your only point? Because the rest of what you said was silly.
haha you're so funny!! And now you bring up NYC cutoff? Oh yeah, that's a lax hotbed too - I forgot. Yeah, NYC where those kids go into kindergarten with full beards!! hahaha. Sounds to me like your kid just isn't that good.
haha you're so funny!! And now you bring up NYC cutoff? Oh yeah, that's a lax hotbed too - I forgot. Yeah, NYC where those kids go into kindergarten with full beards!! hahaha. Sounds to me like your kid just isn't that good.
Actually many great NYC kids play for top travel teams like Express. Regardless you tried to make an invalid point. Get over it.
haha you're so funny!! And now you bring up NYC cutoff? Oh yeah, that's a lax hotbed too - I forgot. Yeah, NYC where those kids go into kindergarten with full beards!! hahaha. Sounds to me like your kid just isn't that good.
Oh, and my son has been committed to a top program with a substantial scholarship as a true Freshman, You?
I side against HOLD BACKS, but it is not possible to have committed. Stay true, palzy walzy! Talks may have taken place, committing has not. (now you say, "well, they told me not to tell anybody....")
Agree with many of the posters against hold backs, particularly at youth. Poster is right, that 16 yo holdback is competing with your 14 yo for one of the 700 or so D1 spots.
I saw something interesting recently while registering a team for a US Lacrose tourney. There was a statement in bold red letters "USLacrosse is working on a comprehensive age verification system..." The registration process went on to request an uploaded proof of age, e.g., birth cert., passport, etc. Maybe there is hope for a standardized system!
That IS interesting, the red print thing. I will look into that. Quite possibly we should all start bashing US Lacrosse, and calling them names. Maybe they see this issue as not-so-unimportant.
I side against HOLD BACKS, but it is not possible to have committed. Stay true, palzy walzy! Talks may have taken place, committing has not. (now you say, "well, they told me not to tell anybody....")
Actually we have told everybody, and it is confirmed on Inside Lacrosse. Both the University coaches, my son, and our entire family are incredibly proud of his accomplishments. Sounds like someone is jealous? Why so mad that I pointed out your error? My son has a May birthday so he is nowhere near the cutoff, just a true to grad year age player who won the jackpot! Thanks for asking
I side against HOLD BACKS, but it is not possible to have committed. Stay true, palzy walzy! Talks may have taken place, committing has not. (now you say, "well, they told me not to tell anybody....")
Actually we have told everybody, and it is confirmed on Inside Lacrosse. Both the University coaches, my son, and our entire family are incredibly proud of his accomplishments. Sounds like someone is jealous? Why so mad that I pointed out your error? My son has a May birthday so he is nowhere near the cutoff, just a true to grad year age player who won the jackpot! Thanks for asking
And yet, even after winning the "Jackpot", on a beautiful Sunday afternoon, you are on this site bragging & looking for a pat on the back because, apparently, your son is an incredible lacrosse player? How pathetic
I can not imagine being that insecure to need to "toot your sons horn" on an anonymous website for your own ego. How wonderful for him but, you sound like a tool...
Congrats. What player and school?
Congrats. What player and school?
Thanks! Over the years with three boys involved in Lax, I admit to becoming a little obsessed. I like to know what people are saying,stay up to date on commitments and lax news, and occasionally comment. Although my one son is committed, my other two are up and coming in the next few years. This holdback thing is something that has gotten out of control and might hurt my other kids chances of being recruited. After my son was recruited, and I started to look at D1 rosters of top schools, it became very clear what was going on. That is why I advocate for fairness. I would tell you who my committed son is, but then everyone would know who I was, and I prefer to remain anonymous.
Congrats. What player and school?
Thanks! Over the years with three boys involved in Lax, I admit to becoming a little obsessed. I like to know what people are saying,stay up to date on commitments and lax news, and occasionally comment. Although my one son is committed, my other two are up and coming in the next few years. This holdback thing is something that has gotten out of control and might hurt my other kids chances of being recruited. After my son was recruited, and I started to look at D1 rosters of top schools, it became very clear what was going on. That is why I advocate for fairness. I would tell you who my committed son is, but then everyone would know who I was, and I prefer to remain anonymous.
You are an arrogant tool. Good thing you stay anonymous or they would de-commit your kid because his parent is a nut.
Congrats. What player and school?
Thanks! Over the years with three boys involved in Lax, I admit to becoming a little obsessed. I like to know what people are saying,stay up to date on commitments and lax news, and occasionally comment. Although my one son is committed, my other two are up and coming in the next few years. This holdback thing is something that has gotten out of control and might hurt my other kids chances of being recruited. After my son was recruited, and I started to look at D1 rosters of top schools, it became very clear what was going on. That is why I advocate for fairness. I would tell you who my committed son is, but then everyone would know who I was, and I prefer to remain anonymous.
You are an arrogant tool. Good thing you stay anonymous or they would de-commit your kid because his parent is a nut.
Ouch! that hurts!, But not as much as having to pay a 60K tuition bill! Remember you started this by trying to call me out about being wrong. When I explained, you just couldn't accept the facts. Maybe you're the tool?
You are an arrogant tool. Good thing you stay anonymous or they would de-commit your kid because his parent is a nut.
Ouch! that hurts!, But not as much as having to pay a 60K tuition bill! Remember you started this by trying to call me out about being wrong. When I explained, you just couldn't accept the facts. Maybe you're the tool?
Maybe you are both being disrespectful to each other and the lacrosse community. Please take this name calling off the board.
Congrats. What player and school?
Thanks! Over the years with three boys involved in Lax, I admit to becoming a little obsessed. I like to know what people are saying,stay up to date on commitments and lax news, and occasionally comment. Although my one son is committed, my other two are up and coming in the next few years. This holdback thing is something that has gotten out of control and might hurt my other kids chances of being recruited. After my son was recruited, and I started to look at D1 rosters of top schools, it became very clear what was going on. That is why I advocate for fairness. I would tell you who my committed son is, but then everyone would know who I was, and I prefer to remain anonymous.
Anonymous? There are only 3 or 4 known 2017 commits and none of them are true freshmen. Try again.............
Required viewing this Wednesday night at 9:00 pm on HBO. State of Play, Trophy kids, a documentary about over parenting in youth sports.
Congrats. What player and school?
Thanks! Over the years with three boys involved in Lax, I admit to becoming a little obsessed. I like to know what people are saying,stay up to date on commitments and lax news, and occasionally comment. Although my one son is committed, my other two are up and coming in the next few years. This holdback thing is something that has gotten out of control and might hurt my other kids chances of being recruited. After my son was recruited, and I started to look at D1 rosters of top schools, it became very clear what was going on. That is why I advocate for fairness. I would tell you who my committed son is, but then everyone would know who I was, and I prefer to remain anonymous.
Anonymous? There are only 3 or 4 known 2017 commits and none of them are true freshmen. Try again.............
Not directly related to above post. With the 2017 commit announced today, I believe there are now 7 known public commits that have been announced so far. Michigan - Brian Townsend/Blackwolf (M), UNC - Ara Atayan/LI Express (M), Colin Munro/3D (A), Joe Carrington/3D (D), UVA - Griffin Harris/3D (A), John Fox/Brunswick School (M), Air Force - Christian Marshall/West Coast Starz (M). Does anyone know of anyone else. Also, with a little googling, many of these kids are a year older. Lastly, 3D is cleaning up. Have nothing to do with 3D, but find it interesting.
Congrats. What player and school?
Thanks! Over the years with three boys involved in Lax, I admit to becoming a little obsessed. I like to know what people are saying,stay up to date on commitments and lax news, and occasionally comment. Although my one son is committed, my other two are up and coming in the next few years. This holdback thing is something that has gotten out of control and might hurt my other kids chances of being recruited. After my son was recruited, and I started to look at D1 rosters of top schools, it became very clear what was going on. That is why I advocate for fairness. I would tell you who my committed son is, but then everyone would know who I was, and I prefer to remain anonymous.
Anonymous? There are only 3 or 4 known 2017 commits and none of them are true freshmen. Try again.............
Not directly related to above post. With the 2017 commit announced today, I believe there are now 7 known public commits that have been announced so far. Michigan - Brian Townsend/Blackwolf (M), UNC - Ara Atayan/LI Express (M), Colin Munro/3D (A), Joe Carrington/3D (D), UVA - Griffin Harris/3D (A), John Fox/Brunswick School (M), Air Force - Christian Marshall/West Coast Starz (M). Does anyone know of anyone else. Also, with a little googling, many of these kids are a year older. Lastly, 3D is cleaning up. Have nothing to do with 3D, but find it interesting.
I am a 3d parent and had a meeting with a college coach a couple of weeks ago and he told me he can tell a 3d kid (offensive player) just about immediately, and I know 3d strives for consistency in their training in all of its programs. I imagine as they continue to grow that may be more difficult and is probably one of their biggest challenges and opportunities if they can pull it off and continue to have quality coaches across the country.
We were just out East for two events and it didn't really sink in until I saw some of the better East Coast players to really understand what the coach was saying, but I saw his point. Not that 3d players are better, but the style of play is just different. You'll see fewer middies initiating and rarely see the middie shooting the 12-15 yard shot, and a 3d team really excels in unsettled situations. They don't do a lot of outside shooting. In fact in over two years I have never seen them work on outside shooting. The offense can tend to bog down if they have to play too much 6 vs 6, and in those situations you'll see them maybe force a few passes to get those shots on the doorstep while another team might try to crank the hard shot from outside.
Congrats. What player and school?
Thanks! Over the years with three boys involved in Lax, I admit to becoming a little obsessed. I like to know what people are saying,stay up to date on commitments and lax news, and occasionally comment. Although my one son is committed, my other two are up and coming in the next few years. This holdback thing is something that has gotten out of control and might hurt my other kids chances of being recruited. After my son was recruited, and I started to look at D1 rosters of top schools, it became very clear what was going on. That is why I advocate for fairness. I would tell you who my committed son is, but then everyone would know who I was, and I prefer to remain anonymous.
Anonymous? There are only 3 or 4 known 2017 commits and none of them are true freshmen. Try again.............
Not directly related to above post. With the 2017 commit announced today, I believe there are now 7 known public commits that have been announced so far. Michigan - Brian Townsend/Blackwolf (M), UNC - Ara Atayan/LI Express (M), Colin Munro/3D (A), Joe Carrington/3D (D), UVA - Griffin Harris/3D (A), John Fox/Brunswick School (M), Air Force - Christian Marshall/West Coast Starz (M). Does anyone know of anyone else. Also, with a little googling, many of these kids are a year older. Lastly, 3D is cleaning up. Have nothing to do with 3D, but find it interesting.
Also forgot Jordan Young, the D-pole from Dukes who committed to Marland. So I believe 8 kids in 2017 have officially committed so far.
Cage - maybe you can answer this. How do you commit to one of the service academies (especially as a 9th Grader) when you still need to prove grades, SAT/ACT, and get a nomination? I know the service academies have a separate athlete application review board but you still need certain benchmarks to get in and stay in. The congressional nomination is another story. I know a non-athlete who got admitted to WP but did not get a nomination and therefore did not attend. Any insight?
Cage - maybe you can answer this. How do you commit to one of the service academies (especially as a 9th Grader) when you still need to prove grades, SAT/ACT, and get a nomination? I know the service academies have a separate athlete application review board but you still need certain benchmarks to get in and stay in. The congressional nomination is another story. I know a non-athlete who got admitted to WP but did not get a nomination and therefore did not attend. Any insight?
BOTC is not very familiar with the service academy process so we are offering more speculation than fact. We believe that a service academy commitment is an expression of interest from both sides that a roster spot is allocated to the student-athlete subject to all of the admissions requirements. BOTC is unaware of any athletic exemptions being available for admission to the service academies.
Cage - maybe you can answer this. How do you commit to one of the service academies (especially as a 9th Grader) when you still need to prove grades, SAT/ACT, and get a nomination? I know the service academies have a separate athlete application review board but you still need certain benchmarks to get in and stay in. The congressional nomination is another story. I know a non-athlete who got admitted to WP but did not get a nomination and therefore did not attend. Any insight?
BOTC is not very familiar with the service academy process so we are offering more speculation than fact. We believe that a service academy commitment is an expression of interest from both sides that a roster spot is allocated to the student-athlete subject to all of the admissions requirements. BOTC is unaware of any athletic exemptions being available for admission to the service academies.
You are correct. Similar to the Ivies you typically see "committing to the admissions process." I can't say how Air Force works, but at Army the coach has a certain amount of slots each year, and both Army and Navy try to use the prep school as much as possible. I think 9th grade is pretty crazy for a service academy, maybe the kid comes from a military family, but the coaches have quite a bit of latitude as far as getting kids into the prep schools so even without much of an academic record I guess I can see that happening.
Congrats. What player and school?
Thanks! Over the years with three boys involved in Lax, I admit to becoming a little obsessed. I like to know what people are saying,stay up to date on commitments and lax news, and occasionally comment. Although my one son is committed, my other two are up and coming in the next few years. This holdback thing is something that has gotten out of control and might hurt my other kids chances of being recruited. After my son was recruited, and I started to look at D1 rosters of top schools, it became very clear what was going on. That is why I advocate for fairness. I would tell you who my committed son is, but then everyone would know who I was, and I prefer to remain anonymous.
Anonymous? There are only 3 or 4 known 2017 commits and none of them are true freshmen. Try again.............
Not directly related to above post. With the 2017 commit announced today, I believe there are now 7 known public commits that have been announced so far. Michigan - Brian Townsend/Blackwolf (M), UNC - Ara Atayan/LI Express (M), Colin Munro/3D (A), Joe Carrington/3D (D), UVA - Griffin Harris/3D (A), John Fox/Brunswick School (M), Air Force - Christian Marshall/West Coast Starz (M). Does anyone know of anyone else. Also, with a little googling, many of these kids are a year older. Lastly, 3D is cleaning up. Have nothing to do with 3D, but find it interesting.
one thing is for sure, 3D has mastered reclassifying.
Congrats. What player and school?
Thanks! Over the years with three boys involved in Lax, I admit to becoming a little obsessed. I like to know what people are saying,stay up to date on commitments and lax news, and occasionally comment. Although my one son is committed, my other two are up and coming in the next few years. This holdback thing is something that has gotten out of control and might hurt my other kids chances of being recruited. After my son was recruited, and I started to look at D1 rosters of top schools, it became very clear what was going on. That is why I advocate for fairness. I would tell you who my committed son is, but then everyone would know who I was, and I prefer to remain anonymous.
Anonymous? There are only 3 or 4 known 2017 commits and none of them are true freshmen. Try again.............
Not directly related to above post. With the 2017 commit announced today, I believe there are now 7 known public commits that have been announced so far. Michigan - Brian Townsend/Blackwolf (M), UNC - Ara Atayan/LI Express (M), Colin Munro/3D (A), Joe Carrington/3D (D), UVA - Griffin Harris/3D (A), John Fox/Brunswick School (M), Air Force - Christian Marshall/West Coast Starz (M). Does anyone know of anyone else. Also, with a little googling, many of these kids are a year older. Lastly, 3D is cleaning up. Have nothing to do with 3D, but find it interesting.
one thing is for sure, 3D has mastered reclassifying.
It's just lame that these 2016 kids take roster spots and scholarships from the true 2017 players.
They would take them anyway, just a year later.
Stop whining and start practicing!
They would take them anyway, just a year later.
Stop whining and start practicing!
Um, no they wouldn't. That's why they are reclassified.
and it would have been correct to say "just a year earlier".
Congrats. What player and school?
Thanks! Over the years with three boys involved in Lax, I admit to becoming a little obsessed. I like to know what people are saying,stay up to date on commitments and lax news, and occasionally comment. Although my one son is committed, my other two are up and coming in the next few years. This holdback thing is something that has gotten out of control and might hurt my other kids chances of being recruited. After my son was recruited, and I started to look at D1 rosters of top schools, it became very clear what was going on. That is why I advocate for fairness. I would tell you who my committed son is, but then everyone would know who I was, and I prefer to remain anonymous.
Anonymous? There are only 3 or 4 known 2017 commits and none of them are true freshmen. Try again.............
Son is currently a Sophomore, a true Sophomore who was recruited as a Freshman. Next son will be a Freshman next year, and is on the young end, which is why the holdbacks are a concern to me. Any other questions?
They would take them anyway, just a year later.
Stop whining and start practicing!
Um, no they wouldn't. That's why they are reclassified.
and it would have been correct to say "just a year earlier".
The coaches don't come in looking for a set # of '16s, '17s or any other age group. They look for the best athletes. These boys are among the best athletes these coaches saw. The coaches have a finite # of scholarships/roster spots to give out, so it doesn't matter how old the recruit. Why don't you whine about the '15 that bloomed late a took a roster spot away from your cute, precious 14 yr old? It's all the same in the end
lacrosse scholarships are partial, and for any school that has a $60K tuition bill the mountaintop is about $25K. for a state school that would be less. the coaches have 10 to use toward making over 50 kids/families taken care of and feeling adequately acknowledged. unless your kid is a once in a lifetime kid named powell or stanwick, you are not being truthful. no reason to be less proud on your kid, but the anonymous bragging with information that is less than truthful is a bit much.
The coaches don't come in looking for a set # of '16s, '17s or any other age group. They look for the best athletes. These boys are among the best athletes these coaches saw. The coaches have a finite # of scholarships/roster spots to give out, so it doesn't matter how old the recruit. Why don't you whine about the '15 that bloomed late a took a roster spot away from your cute, precious 14 yr old? It's all the same in the end
This is not true. Coaches look for a set number of 16's 17's ect. Once that allotment is filled they don't recruit that age anymore.
They would take them anyway, just a year later.
Stop whining and start practicing!
Um, no they wouldn't. That's why they are reclassified.
and it would have been correct to say "just a year earlier".
The coaches don't come in looking for a set # of '16s, '17s or any other age group. They look for the best athletes. These boys are among the best athletes these coaches saw. The coaches have a finite # of scholarships/roster spots to give out, so it doesn't matter how old the recruit. Why don't you whine about the '15 that bloomed late a took a roster spot away from your cute, precious 14 yr old? It's all the same in the end
"These boys are among the best athletes these coaches saw."
If my son competed against kids a year or two younger, he would also appear to be the best athlete the coaches had seen.
Thanks for making the point of every person you say is whining.
As kids get older age is less relevant, but at this point in time it has it's advantages.
What is going on with the Brine tryouts. Seems like we were uninvited for the dec.8 tryout. email mentioned the tryout is not for you and wait for detail. anyone know whats going on?
lacrosse scholarships are partial, and for any school that has a $60K tuition bill the mountaintop is about $25K. for a state school that would be less. the coaches have 10 to use toward making over 50 kids/families taken care of and feeling adequately acknowledged. unless your kid is a once in a lifetime kid named powell or stanwick, you are not being truthful. no reason to be less proud on your kid, but the anonymous bragging with information that is less than truthful is a bit much.
Post is redundant
They would take them anyway, just a year later.
Stop whining and start practicing!
Um, no they wouldn't. That's why they are reclassified.
and it would have been correct to say "just a year earlier".
The coaches don't come in looking for a set # of '16s, '17s or any other age group. They look for the best athletes. These boys are among the best athletes these coaches saw. The coaches have a finite # of scholarships/roster spots to give out, so it doesn't matter how old the recruit. Why don't you whine about the '15 that bloomed late a took a roster spot away from your cute, precious 14 yr old? It's all the same in the end
Actually they recruit by grad year. Hence 15's will be done before 16's and 16's done before 17's. If you reclassify (CHEAT) because you know your kid is not good enough to compete against other 16's, you then drop him DOWN to play with the LITTLE/YOUNGER kids so he looks like a superstar. Then you are taking a spot from a 2017. This is the problem... Do you get it now? Ever hear the saying "cheaters never prosper" Not so in lax recruiting.
Congrats. What player and school?
Thanks! Over the years with three boys involved in Lax, I admit to becoming a little obsessed. I like to know what people are saying,stay up to date on commitments and lax news, and occasionally comment. Although my one son is committed, my other two are up and coming in the next few years. This holdback thing is something that has gotten out of control and might hurt my other kids chances of being recruited. After my son was recruited, and I started to look at D1 rosters of top schools, it became very clear what was going on. That is why I advocate for fairness. I would tell you who my committed son is, but then everyone would know who I was, and I prefer to remain anonymous.
Anonymous? There are only 3 or 4 known 2017 commits and none of them are true freshmen. Try again.............
Not directly related to above post. With the 2017 commit announced today, I believe there are now 7 known public commits that have been announced so far. Michigan - Brian Townsend/Blackwolf (M), UNC - Ara Atayan/LI Express (M), Colin Munro/3D (A), Joe Carrington/3D (D), UVA - Griffin Harris/3D (A), John Fox/Brunswick School (M), Air Force - Christian Marshall/West Coast Starz (M). Does anyone know of anyone else. Also, with a little googling, many of these kids are a year older. Lastly, 3D is cleaning up. Have nothing to do with 3D, but find it interesting.
Also forgot Jordan Young, the D-pole from Dukes who committed to Marland. So I believe 8 kids in 2017 have officially committed so far.
Add Cole Williard (A) - Penn State. He and John Fox, Virgina commit are 2016s who are going to do PGs years, and I know several of the 3D kids are 16-year olds.
What is going on with the Brine tryouts. Seems like we were uninvited for the dec.8 tryout. email mentioned the tryout is not for you and wait for detail. anyone know whats going on?
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What is going on with the Brine tryouts. Seems like we were uninvited for the dec.8 tryout. email mentioned the tryout is not for you and wait for detail. anyone know whats going on?
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Believe there was a cut off this year of 150. So you might have registered to late.
What is going on with the Brine tryouts. Seems like we were uninvited for the dec.8 tryout. email mentioned the tryout is not for you and wait for detail. anyone know whats going on?
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We received a confirmation for both the Middle School and High School events over the weekend. So assume it's still on.
Their website is a bit misleading, but there are now 3 divisions instead of two
Middle School - 2018,2019,2020
High School - 2015, 2016
9th Grade - 2017
Tryouts for the 1st two divisions are this weekend, the other 9th grade division date is TBD
I think this is another example of isolating the Freshman (rising Sophmore) class to provide specific emphasis on exposire and recuriting at this grade level
I do not think you registered too late
What is going on with the Brine tryouts. Seems like we were uninvited for the dec.8 tryout. email mentioned the tryout is not for you and wait for detail. anyone know whats going on?
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Believe there was a cut off this year of 150. So you might have registered to late.
“Complaining does not work as a strategy. We all have finite time and energy. Any time we spend whining is unlikely to help us achieve our goals. And it won't make us happier.”
Their website is a bit misleading, but there are now 3 divisions instead of two
Middle School - 2018,2019,2020
High School - 2015, 2016
9th Grade - 2017
Tryouts for the 1st two divisions are this weekend, the other 9th grade division date is TBD
I think this is another example of isolating the Freshman (rising Sophmore) class to provide specific emphasis on exposire and recuriting at this grade level
I do not think you registered too late
What is going on with the Brine tryouts. Seems like we were uninvited for the dec.8 tryout. email mentioned the tryout is not for you and wait for detail. anyone know whats going on?
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Believe there was a cut off this year of 150. So you might have registered to late.
That's not how I understand it. I believe the 2017 tryouts are with the "high school" tryouts but will be chosen to a separate team. That is how I understand it.
so does that mean 9th grade with have a separate tryout date than the others? or that that there is 3 9th grade teams?
so does that mean 9th grade with have a separate tryout date than the others? or that that there is 3 9th grade teams?
I think this is a two stage process. Preliminary tryouts for 9th graders (separate from other high schoolers) this Sunday and another time in the spring. Second stage is a two-day "Long Island Pride" event where boys are separated into teams and evaluated for moving onto the summer 2014 Brine National event for Freshman. Maybe wrong, but that's how I read it.
so does that mean 9th grade with have a separate tryout date than the others? or that that there is 3 9th grade teams?
I think this is a two stage process. Preliminary tryouts for 9th graders (separate from other high schoolers) this Sunday and another time in the spring. Second stage is a two-day "Long Island Pride" event where boys are separated into teams and evaluated for moving onto the summer 2014 Brine National event for Freshman. Maybe wrong, but that's how I read it.
Two separate tryouts. 15's, 16's,17's on sunday. If any 17's luck out and make it they can play on both squads. If not, they are eligible to tryout in June for 17 only at no additional charge.
The tryout this Sunday, Dec 8 is for 2015,16 and 17 combined.
There will be about 50+, 2017 players at this tryout. If a 2017 is
picked, he will get to play in the Pride of Long Island Showcase in June
and will be automatically placed on the 2017 Brine Long Island team. If a 2017
player is not picked, he will be eligible to attend the 2017 only tryout at no
additional cost.
@Ty: Ohio State taps a MIAA pipeline with their first 2017 verbal: J.T. Bugliosi, an undersized but hard-nosed dodging attackman at Calvert Hall. FCA Maryland
It's interesting that only 6 out of 25 boys from last summer's L.I North (championship) team signed up to try out for Brine this year.
The tryout this Sunday, Dec 8 is for 2015,16 and 17 combined.
There will be about 50+, 2017 players at this tryout. If a 2017 is
picked, he will get to play in the Pride of Long Island Showcase in June
and will be automatically placed on the 2017 Brine Long Island team. If a 2017
player is not picked, he will be eligible to attend the 2017 only tryout at no
additional cost.
so does that mean 9th grade with have a separate tryout date than the others? or that that there is 3 9th grade teams?
I think this is a two stage process. Preliminary tryouts for 9th graders (separate from other high schoolers) this Sunday and another time in the spring. Second stage is a two-day "Long Island Pride" event where boys are separated into teams and evaluated for moving onto the summer 2014 Brine National event for Freshman. Maybe wrong, but that's how I read it.
Two separate tryouts. 15's, 16's,17's on sunday. If any 17's luck out and make it they can play on both squads. If not, they are eligible to tryout in June for 17 only at no additional charge.
This event is compromised, wouldnt go anywhere near it
Congrats. What player and school?
Thanks! Over the years with three boys involved in Lax, I admit to becoming a little obsessed. I like to know what people are saying,stay up to date on commitments and lax news, and occasionally comment. Although my one son is committed, my other two are up and coming in the next few years. This holdback thing is something that has gotten out of control and might hurt my other kids chances of being recruited. After my son was recruited, and I started to look at D1 rosters of top schools, it became very clear what was going on. That is why I advocate for fairness. I would tell you who my committed son is, but then everyone would know who I was, and I prefer to remain anonymous.
Anonymous? There are only 3 or 4 known 2017 commits and none of them are true freshmen. Try again.............
Son is currently a Sophomore, a true Sophomore who was recruited as a Freshman. Next son will be a Freshman next year, and is on the young end, which is why the holdbacks are a concern to me. Any other questions?
Just one, why are you posting on the 2017 board if your son is a sophomore and your other sons are younger? that makes it even creepier
So few are trying out because they are too busy with the showcases. Many of them would love to play together again. There is just not enough time unfortunately. Not interesting just a reality
Why is that interesting and what is your point?
It's interesting that only 6 out of 25 boys from last summer's L.I North (championship) team signed up to try out for Brine this year.
The tryout this Sunday, Dec 8 is for 2015,16 and 17 combined.
There will be about 50+, 2017 players at this tryout. If a 2017 is
picked, he will get to play in the Pride of Long Island Showcase in June
and will be automatically placed on the 2017 Brine Long Island team. If a 2017
player is not picked, he will be eligible to attend the 2017 only tryout at no
additional cost.
Simply because its for fun olny. Not a real resume builder. Last year these kids were coached by great Yale assistant coach. Now in HS, due to NCAA regs college coaches cant. Also account for the more meaningful recruit trips, college visits and camps.
[quote=Anonymous]so does that mean 9th grade with have a separate tryout date than the others? or that that there is 3 9th grade teams?
I think this is a two stage process. Preliminary tryouts for 9th graders (separate from other high schoolers) this Sunday and another time in the spring. Second stage is a two-day "Long Island Pride" event where boys are separated into teams and evaluated for moving onto the summer 2014 Brine National event for Freshman. Maybe wrong, but that's how I read it.
Two separate tryouts. 15's, 16's,17's on sunday. If any 17's luck out and make it they can play on both squads. If not, they are eligible to tryout in June for 17 only at no additional charge.
This event is compromised, wouldnt go anywhere near it [/quote
Why and how is it compromised? Please explain, don't want to waste my son's time.]
I don't understand the post about Brine where the author states in HS bracket the college coaches can't coach due to NCAA rules. If that is the case, why are they allowed to coach at Peak 200, First Look, etc?
Where did you see what boys from last years middle school team signed up ?
I don't understand the post about Brine where the author states in HS bracket the college coaches can't coach due to NCAA rules. If that is the case, why are they allowed to coach at Peak 200, First Look, etc?
Think it might have to do with the time of year...not sure. Thats not the main reason for not doing. More application toward the specific school an showcase one wants to attend.
This event is compromised, wouldnt go anywhere near it
Why and how is it compromised? Please explain, don't want to waste my son's time.
The event organizers and several big name coaches at the 2017 level here on LI are very friendly. Therefore IMO the tryouts are in no way fair or unbiased. Yes they fielded a very strong team last year but the team was essentially picked before the kids even stepped on the field. Besides, this event has little to no recruiting value whatsover. If you do it, it would be for fun only. Save your money and do prospect days or one of the bigger name camps.
This event is compromised, wouldnt go anywhere near it
Why and how is it compromised? Please explain, don't want to waste my son's time.
The event organizers and several big name coaches at the 2017 level here on LI are very friendly. Therefore IMO the tryouts are in no way fair or unbiased. Yes they fielded a very strong team last year but the team was essentially picked before the kids even stepped on the field. Besides, this event has little to no recruiting value whatsover. If you do it, it would be for fun only. Save your money and do prospect days or one of the bigger name camps.
You are right and they take every kid that signs up for the tryout. Went to one tryout and will never send any of my kids again. It's a money maker and because they have so many kids at the tryout, you get very little time on the field to be properly evaluated. Don't waste your money and time. Tryout for Under Armour. It's much better run and a ton of coaches attend the tryouts.
Yes everyone for those of you that must know, JT Bugliosi is a "true" freshman. He's 14 and did not hold back. He is really a freshman and should be by his age. So fcr those of you who say all of the 2017 commits are a year older, in this case it's for real.
2017 - A - JT Bugliosi commit to Ohio State. He is a "true" freshman and only 14. Not all these 2017 commits are a year older.
Congrats. What player and school?
Thanks! Over the years with three boys involved in Lax, I admit to becoming a little obsessed. I like to know what people are saying,stay up to date on commitments and lax news, and occasionally comment. Although my one son is committed, my other two are up and coming in the next few years. This holdback thing is something that has gotten out of control and might hurt my other kids chances of being recruited. After my son was recruited, and I started to look at D1 rosters of top schools, it became very clear what was going on. That is why I advocate for fairness. I would tell you who my committed son is, but then everyone would know who I was, and I prefer to remain anonymous.
Anonymous? There are only 3 or 4 known 2017 commits and none of them are true freshmen. Try again.............
Not directly related to above post. With the 2017 commit announced today, I believe there are now 7 known public commits that have been announced so far. Michigan - Brian Townsend/Blackwolf (M), UNC - Ara Atayan/LI Express (M), Colin Munro/3D (A), Joe Carrington/3D (D), UVA - Griffin Harris/3D (A), John Fox/Brunswick School (M), Air Force - Christian Marshall/West Coast Starz (M). Does anyone know of anyone else. Also, with a little googling, many of these kids are a year older. Lastly, 3D is cleaning up. Have nothing to do with 3D, but find it interesting.
Also forgot Jordan Young, the D-pole from Dukes who committed to Marland. So I believe 8 kids in 2017 have officially committed so far.
Add Cole Williard (A) - Penn State. He and John Fox, Virgina commit are 2016s who are going to do PGs years, and I know several of the 3D kids are 16-year olds.
Add - JT Bugliosi / FCA, (A) - Ohio State a true freshman at 14 years old.
Long Island folks:
We need to stop bashing other states for holding back/PG years. I know of at least 2 of my son's teammates who are doing the same thing. Literally repeating 8th grade prior to going to HS. Welcome to the world, it ain't fair - deal with it. Stop all the whining too, it's embarrassing. Someone once said, "just shut and play".
Long Island folks:
We need to stop bashing other states for holding back/PG years. I know of at least 2 of my son's teammates who are doing the same thing. Literally repeating 8th grade prior to going to HS. Welcome to the world, it ain't fair - deal with it. Stop all the whining too, it's embarrassing. Someone once said, "just shut and play".
Really? What team? I believe in "shut up and play" also but, I call your bluff on this one
Congrats. What player and school?
Thanks! Over the years with three boys involved in Lax, I admit to becoming a little obsessed. I like to know what people are saying,stay up to date on commitments and lax news, and occasionally comment. Although my one son is committed, my other two are up and coming in the next few years. This holdback thing is something that has gotten out of control and might hurt my other kids chances of being recruited. After my son was recruited, and I started to look at D1 rosters of top schools, it became very clear what was going on. That is why I advocate for fairness. I would tell you who my committed son is, but then everyone would know who I was, and I prefer to remain anonymous.
Anonymous? There are only 3 or 4 known 2017 commits and none of them are true freshmen. Try again.............
Not directly related to above post. With the 2017 commit announced today, I believe there are now 7 known public commits that have been announced so far. Michigan - Brian Townsend/Blackwolf (M), UNC - Ara Atayan/LI Express (M), Colin Munro/3D (A), Joe Carrington/3D (D), UVA - Griffin Harris/3D (A), John Fox/Brunswick School (M), Air Force - Christian Marshall/West Coast Starz (M). Does anyone know of anyone else. Also, with a little googling, many of these kids are a year older. Lastly, 3D is cleaning up. Have nothing to do with 3D, but find it interesting.
Also forgot Jordan Young, the D-pole from Dukes who committed to Marland. So I believe 8 kids in 2017 have officially committed so far.
Add Cole Williard (A) - Penn State. He and John Fox, Virgina commit are 2016s who are going to do PGs years, and I know several of the 3D kids are 16-year olds.
Add. JT Bugliosi,Calvert Hall/FCA to Ohio State. A "true" 2017 freshman who is 14 years old.
2017 - A - JT Bugliosi commit to Ohio State. He is a "true" freshman and only 14. Not all these 2017 commits are a year older.
Wow, one out of 7 kids is a "true" freshman - that means 85% of the kids that have committed so far are older. Not whining, but it's hard to argue reclassing doesn't give kids an advantage, especially as freshman. Guarantee it will start happening in LI if early recruiting continues to be the trend.
Long Island folks:
We need to stop bashing other states for holding back/PG years. I know of at least 2 of my son's teammates who are doing the same thing. Literally repeating 8th grade prior to going to HS. Welcome to the world, it ain't fair - deal with it. Stop all the whining too, it's embarrassing. Someone once said, "just shut and play".
Really? What team? I believe in "shut up and play" also but, I call your bluff on this one
Goalie Massapequa thats all I will say.
A few in the 2018 group. They liked 8th grade so much, they're doing it again!
A few in the 2018 group. They liked 8th grade so much, they're doing it again!
little way of thinking. just saying....
2017 - A - JT Bugliosi commit to Ohio State. He is a "true" freshman and only 14. Not all these 2017 commits are a year older.
Wow, one out of 7 kids is a "true" freshman - that means 85% of the kids that have committed so far are older. Not whining, but it's hard to argue reclassing doesn't give kids an advantage, especially as freshman. Guarantee it will start happening in LI if early recruiting continues to be the trend.
Finally someone gets it. LI kids and others that come from Dec 1 cutoffs are at a HUGH disadvantage with regard to maturation and physicality. It is what it is and those who choose to bash the system, well, it's getting old and tiresome to hear you whine.
Long Island folks:
We need to stop bashing other states for holding back/PG years. I know of at least 2 of my son's teammates who are doing the same thing. Literally repeating 8th grade prior to going to HS. Welcome to the world, it ain't fair - deal with it. Stop all the whining too, it's embarrassing. Someone once said, "just shut and play".
Really? What team? I believe in "shut up and play" also but, I call your bluff on this one
Goalie Massapequa thats all I will say.
BOTC: That's just plain wrong to allow a poster to state that.
Long Island folks:
We need to stop bashing other states for holding back/PG years. I know of at least 2 of my son's teammates who are doing the same thing. Literally repeating 8th grade prior to going to HS. Welcome to the world, it ain't fair - deal with it. Stop all the whining too, it's embarrassing. Someone once said, "just shut and play".
Really? What team? I believe in "shut up and play" also but, I call your bluff on this one
Goalie Massapequa thats all I will say.
BOTC: That's just plain wrong to allow a poster to state that.
Stating what? Is there something inaccurate here? Is there only one goalie in all of Massapequa?
I must say, I thought this post was just a bunch of BS.
HOWEVER, I was at tryouts this morning with my son. 32 degrees and a lovely morning for lacrosse (sarcasm).
Everywhere I looked I saw 91 jackets, hats, sweatshirts. I am NOT talking about the kids I am talking about the "EVALUATORS".
Since when is Brine Lacrosse in bed with 91?
What a joke and a waste of money! Not to mention a waste of a morning which would have been better spent reading the paper.
We all know that bias exists even if we do not intend for it to. I am disappointed in Brine for engaging in this type of bait and switch. can't wait to see the roster. That said business is business and I guess 91 came across with some $$$
This event is compromised, wouldnt go anywhere near it [/quote]
Long Island folks:
We need to stop bashing other states for holding back/PG years. I know of at least 2 of my son's teammates who are doing the same thing. Literally repeating 8th grade prior to going to HS. Welcome to the world, it ain't fair - deal with it. Stop all the whining too, it's embarrassing. Someone once said, "just shut and play".
I guess it is a strategy however twisted it may be.....But what happens when you blow out your ACL in your repeated 8th grade year? As impossible as this is to consider, what if the lax thing doesn't work out? How many college admissions folks are going to be impressed on the academic record of a voluntary hold back.....And talk to any AD and they'll tell you that more than 20% of scholarship athletes
voluntarily quit because the commitment of essentially another full-time job is too much on top of school. Good luck....I hope the brass ring is everything you (I mean your kid) dreams it will be.....
I must say, I thought this post was just a bunch of BS.
HOWEVER, I was at tryouts this morning with my son. 32 degrees and a lovely morning for lacrosse (sarcasm).
Everywhere I looked I saw 91 jackets, hats, sweatshirts. I am NOT talking about the kids I am talking about the "EVALUATORS".
Since when is Brine Lacrosse in bed with 91?
What a joke and a waste of money! Not to mention a waste of a morning which would have been better spent reading the paper.
We all know that bias exists even if we do not intend for it to. I am disappointed in Brine for engaging in this type of bait and switch. can't wait to see the roster. That said business is business and I guess 91 came across with some $$$
This event is compromised, wouldnt go anywhere near it
Not sure about 91 connection but was so cold evaluators weren't writing anything down! Will be tough to remember 300 kids numbers!!
Everywhere I looked I saw 91 jackets, hats, sweatshirts. I am NOT talking about the kids I am talking about the "EVALUATORS". Since when is Brine Lacrosse in bed with 91?
You are aware that Brine was e-mailing many institutions on Long Island as recently as last week with an open call for coaches to register to be evaluators, right?
Since you decided to actually "buy" this event, you did do your research in advance, right?
Here is the link to help you :
Brine Coaches
My observations:
There were simply too many kids to run the tryout effectively. As an example my own kid got only 1 rep during one on one drills. If the drill is important, there need to be sufficient reps.
The size and skill range was very broad. The 8 th graders were bigger stronger better. Tough to see any 6th or 7th graders making it with rare exception.
Too cold to evaluate for a full 3 hours. By the end the kids stopped dodging to the goal.
Evaluators took very few notes when compared to a well run club tryout. I am sure it was tough to take notes in the cold.
Perhaps the real evaluations will take place in the spring.
Should be done with smaller numbers in my opinion, perhaps grade based with return invites for 6th and 7th graders after preliminary assessment.
My observations:
There were simply too many kids to run the tryout effectively. As an example my own kid got only 1 rep during one on one drills. If the drill is important, there need to be sufficient reps.
The size and skill range was very broad. The 8 th graders were bigger stronger better. Tough to see any 6th or 7th graders making it with rare exception.
Too cold to evaluate for a full 3 hours. By the end the kids stopped dodging to the goal.
Evaluators took very few notes when compared to a well run club tryout. I am sure it was tough to take notes in the cold.
Perhaps the real evaluations will take place in the spring.
Should be done with smaller numbers in my opinion, perhaps grade based with return invites for 6th and 7th graders after preliminary assessment.
JF doesn't want smaller numbers. It's not about conducting a productive and fair tryout. It's about signing up as many kids to tryout as possible to maximixe his profit. It's no secret...He sends emails soliciting more kids to tryout and includes the list of kids already registered that goes on forever. He's just lining his pockets with your money.
JF doesn't want smaller numbers. It's not about conducting a productive and fair tryout. It's about signing up as many kids to tryout as possible to maximixe his profit. It's no secret...He sends emails soliciting more kids to tryout and includes the list of kids already registered that goes on forever. He's just lining his pockets with your money.
Is JF = Joe Frankin? BOTC has not had a positive experience with him.
JF doesn't want smaller numbers. It's not about conducting a productive and fair tryout. It's about signing up as many kids to tryout as possible to maximixe his profit. It's no secret...He sends emails soliciting more kids to tryout and includes the list of kids already registered that goes on forever. He's just lining his pockets with your money.
Is JF = Joel Frankin? BOTC has not had a positive experience with him.
Yes it is.
Based upon what I saw there were very few if any 6th graders that should have been on the field today. The skill and size difference was very noticable. It was a waste of time for these kids. As a whole middle school event was poorly run with kids getting very few touches. There were very few evaluators actually doing anything. The few kids from Hofstra seemed to be just there to talk and hang out. The evaluators who were there affiliated with local teams didnt really do much writting on their clipboards. We all know who they will pick. Based on the fact there were no games played I would assume they are going to invite all the 2018 players to the LI Pride event and make final cuts based on that. I just hope that the teams are created fairly and not all players from certain Club Teams are put together and the other talented players thrown on a team randomly. We all know if you play and practice with one another it makes it a bit easier to do well.
My observations:
There were simply too many kids to run the tryout effectively. As an example my own kid got only 1 rep during one on one drills. If the drill is important, there need to be sufficient reps.
The size and skill range was very broad. The 8 th graders were bigger stronger better. Tough to see any 6th or 7th graders making it with rare exception.
Too cold to evaluate for a full 3 hours. By the end the kids stopped dodging to the goal.
Evaluators took very few notes when compared to a well run club tryout. I am sure it was tough to take notes in the cold.
Perhaps the real evaluations will take place in the spring.
Should be done with smaller numbers in my opinion, perhaps grade based with return invites for 6th and 7th graders after preliminary assessment.
Why are you posting this on the 2017 thread?
what was the bad experience botc had with joe franklin or this event? provide info and let us know.
both sons attended the tryouts today. middle school and high school. lots of kids and it was cold. i saw lots of player helmets and coats (parents) from both 91, LI Express and some others. both tryouts were run the same way and from what i saw the players got a good run. they cut off registration early i guess to limit the number of players. i dont get what you are complaining about.
cagesage, whats up? let us know your experience
what was the bad experience botc had with joe franklin or this event? provide info and let us know.
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cagesage, whats up? let us know your experience
We did not say we had a bad experience; we said not positive. Overall, it was neutral - and we will leave it at that for now.
what was the bad experience botc had with joe franklin or this event? provide info and let us know.
both sons attended the tryouts today. middle school and high school. lots of kids and it was cold. i saw lots of player helmets and coats (parents) from both 91, LI Express and some others. both tryouts were run the same way and from what i saw the players got a good run. they cut off registration early i guess to limit the number of players. i dont get what you are complaining about.
cagesage, whats up? let us know your experience
Your joking. Was the worst run event my kid has ever been to. 91 2018 tryouts had more evaluators and game play at its tryout. Tell me how many guys were evaluating. Did they play any real time full games. There were over 170 at Middle school and heard there were over 200 at high school. Only 2 fields. At middle school if your kid was on a line with a 6th or 7th grader and they dropped ball that was the drill next group on. No real play just what 25 min for face off kids, D vs attack and middies on 1/2 field play. Goalies always playing in man down situations. Nothing as it should have been. Played 4 nets so approx 40 kids per group. First what 30 to 45 mins were spent on stretching, started a little late. Had group meetings which leaves about 2 hours to really evalute 170 players. For this type of event they said they were going to cap at 150. What they said and what they did are completly different. Must be friends of guys holding clip board or collecting checks. If Brine is going to put their name on an event I would expect it to be run a whole lot better.
ADD a true 14 yr old 2017 from Long Island to an ancient eight school. Details to follow when permitted. :-D
Everywhere I looked I saw 91 jackets, hats, sweatshirts. I am NOT talking about the kids I am talking about the "EVALUATORS". Since when is Brine Lacrosse in bed with 91?
You are aware that Brine was e-mailing many institutions on Long Island as recently as last week with an open call for coaches to register to be evaluators, right?
Since you decided to actually "buy" this event, you did do your research in advance, right?
Here is the link to help you :
Brine Coaches With all due respect Cage, the link you provided above, which I just looked at is Brine looking for TEAM coaches. Perhaps the link has changed?
I must say, I thought this post was just a bunch of BS.
HOWEVER, I was at tryouts this morning with my son. 32 degrees and a lovely morning for lacrosse (sarcasm).
Everywhere I looked I saw 91 jackets, hats, sweatshirts. I am NOT talking about the kids I am talking about the "EVALUATORS".
Since when is Brine Lacrosse in bed with 91?
What a joke and a waste of money! Not to mention a waste of a morning which would have been better spent reading the paper.
We all know that bias exists even if we do not intend for it to. I am disappointed in Brine for engaging in this type of bait and switch. can't wait to see the roster. That said business is business and I guess 91 came across with some $$$
This event is compromised, wouldnt go anywhere near it
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This is absolute BS! My son was there also. There was no one from 91 evaluating. Stop with the conspiracy theories
what was the bad experience botc had with joe franklin or this event? provide info and let us know.
both sons attended the tryouts today. middle school and high school. lots of kids and it was cold. i saw lots of player helmets and coats (parents) from both 91, LI Express and some others. both tryouts were run the same way and from what i saw the players got a good run. they cut off registration early i guess to limit the number of players. i dont get what you are complaining about.
cagesage, whats up? let us know your experience
I agree with you on this one. IDK what you would be expecting. At the HS tryout (which 2017 board should be discussing) there were boys from every HS around. I did not see any evaluators wearing any 91 or Express or fl$ hats, sweatshirts, etc. My son got a lot of reps. There were some great players and some not so great players. They had 9-11 together but, that's how it will be this year in the HS. Was it a perfect situation? No. These tryouts are tough to get perfect. Is it a money grab? Aren't they all? I guess you will never please all of you parents.
what was the bad experience botc had with joe franklin or this event? provide info and let us know.
both sons attended the tryouts today. middle school and high school. lots of kids and it was cold. i saw lots of player helmets and coats (parents) from both 91, LI Express and some others. both tryouts were run the same way and from what i saw the players got a good run. they cut off registration early i guess to limit the number of players. i dont get what you are complaining about.
cagesage, whats up? let us know your experience
I agree with you on this one. IDK what you would be expecting. At the HS tryout (which 2017 board should be discussing) there were boys from every HS around. I did not see any evaluators wearing any 91 or Express or fl$ hats, sweatshirts, etc. My son got a lot of reps. There were some great players and some not so great players. They had 9-11 together but, that's how it will be this year in the HS. Was it a perfect situation? No. These tryouts are tough to get perfect. Is it a money grab? Aren't they all? I guess you will never please all of you parents.
The coach of 91 xtreme 2018 was an evaluator at MS tryouts. He is also a Director for team 91. Hello?? Total sham.
With all due respect Cage, the link you provided above, which I just looked at is Brine looking for TEAM coaches. Perhaps the link has changed?
This is the exact e-mail which was sent on November 21st. This was sent to every High School and Club Coach that their distribution list could handle. Our reading of this letter is that there was most definitely an open call for coaching and evaluator registrations.
Coach,
Celebrating its seventh year ...
Leading up to the Brine National Lacrosse Classic are regional tryouts held in key markets across the country to find the best talent to spotlight at the national event. Brine regional tryouts are conducted by high school lacrosse coaches throughout the nation that are committed to helping young athletes maximize their potential and succeed academically and athletically.
Coaches take part in the player evaluation process and select the best players from high school and club teams to play together on ONE team, ONE time a year - at the Brine National Lacrosse Classic.
You are encouraged to get involved with the Brine National Lacrosse Classic regional team tryouts in your area. Fill out the online form and we will contact you with all of the details > Online coaches application
The Brine regional tryouts enable players to test and benchmark their lacrosse skills against other players in a well-structured, fun and supportive environment. The selection process is based on performance - not politics. Just ask any of the Brine high school lacrosse coaches that have participated in this event over the past six years. > List of coaches here
ADD a true 14 yr old 2017 from Long Island to an ancient eight school. Details to follow when permitted. :-D
Laviano?
Maybe he wasnt an evaluator but S.L. was on the field. Made a comment to me about the weather as he was walking by.
I must say, I thought this post was just a bunch of BS.
HOWEVER, I was at tryouts this morning with my son. 32 degrees and a lovely morning for lacrosse (sarcasm).
Everywhere I looked I saw 91 jackets, hats, sweatshirts. I am NOT talking about the kids I am talking about the "EVALUATORS".
Since when is Brine Lacrosse in bed with 91?
What a joke and a waste of money! Not to mention a waste of a morning which would have been better spent reading the paper.
We all know that bias exists even if we do not intend for it to. I am disappointed in Brine for engaging in this type of bait and switch. can't wait to see the roster. That said business is business and I guess 91 came across with some $$$
This event is compromised, wouldnt go anywhere near it
This is absolute BS! My son was there also. There was no one from 91 evaluating. Stop with the conspiracy theories [/quote]
Well, thats not true! Two coaches from 2018 91 Extreme were evaluating!!
SL HAD A CLIPBOARD IN HAND AS DID THE OTHER 91 COACHES,.STOP THE BS!!!!!
Why even consider the Brine when you have Jake Reed, Maverick Showtime , Top 205, and not to mention Club Team Tournaments all around the same time?
I must say, I thought this post was just a bunch of BS.
HOWEVER, I was at tryouts this morning with my son. 32 degrees and a lovely morning for lacrosse (sarcasm).
Everywhere I looked I saw 91 jackets, hats, sweatshirts. I am NOT talking about the kids I am talking about the "EVALUATORS".
Since when is Brine Lacrosse in bed with 91?
What a joke and a waste of money! Not to mention a waste of a morning which would have been better spent reading the paper.
We all know that bias exists even if we do not intend for it to. I am disappointed in Brine for engaging in this type of bait and switch. can't wait to see the roster. That said business is business and I guess 91 came across with some $$$
This event is compromised, wouldnt go anywhere near it
This is absolute BS! My son was there also. There was no one from 91 evaluating. Stop with the conspiracy theories [/quote]
I saw Sal was there and spoke with Rooney. I also heard Mule was there but I personally didn't see him. So sir you are incorrect.
SL was evaluating the goalies.
Long Island folks:
We need to stop bashing other states for holding back/PG years. I know of at least 2 of my son's teammates who are doing the same thing. Literally repeating 8th grade prior to going to HS. Welcome to the world, it ain't fair - deal with it. Stop all the whining too, it's embarrassing. Someone once said, "just shut and play".
I guess it is a strategy however twisted it may be.....But what happens when you blow out your ACL in your repeated 8th grade year? As impossible as this is to consider, what if the lax thing doesn't work out? How many college admissions folks are going to be impressed on the academic record of a voluntary hold back.....And talk to any AD and they'll tell you that more than 20% of scholarship athletes
voluntarily quit because the commitment of essentially another full-time job is too much on top of school. Good luck....I hope the brass ring is everything you (I mean your kid) dreams it will be.....
Hear Hear. I cannot agree with you more. Spend your money and time on Tutors and SAT prep. I personally know two D1 comits from last year who are not playing because of how much time it takes away from studying. Granted their parents can handle the tuition so its not an issue for them persoanlly My oldest who is a wrestler but played LAX till 11 th grade is geting more merit aid from the schools he has applied to than any of our boys will get from a pie in the sky athletic scholarship. I have told my 9th grade Laxer to get good grades and playing LAX at collge will be gravy.
I must say, I thought this post was just a bunch of BS.
HOWEVER, I was at tryouts this morning with my son. 32 degrees and a lovely morning for lacrosse (sarcasm).
Everywhere I looked I saw 91 jackets, hats, sweatshirts. I am NOT talking about the kids I am talking about the "EVALUATORS".
Since when is Brine Lacrosse in bed with 91?
What a joke and a waste of money! Not to mention a waste of a morning which would have been better spent reading the paper.
We all know that bias exists even if we do not intend for it to. I am disappointed in Brine for engaging in this type of bait and switch. can't wait to see the roster. That said business is business and I guess 91 came across with some $$$
This event is compromised, wouldnt go anywhere near it
This is absolute BS! My son was there also. There was no one from 91 evaluating. Stop with the conspiracy theories [/quote]
Ask the face off kids who ran the face off tryout for middle school. It was SL.
Hello. I am parent of a 91 kid. I do not know who SL is, but this does not at all prove any point. I believe that somebody whined that the evaluators were all from 91, with hats, sweatshirts, etc. I guess that this has now scaled back a bit. Does "SL" need to apologize for doing a fine job with all of those face-off kids, from so many different clubs and schools? Do you seek pots to stir, when there are none? Come, now.
Maybe he wasnt an evaluator but S.L. was on the field. Made a comment to me about the weather as he was walking by.
That is it! I can not believe the nerve, I say we kill him
SL HAD A CLIPBOARD IN HAND AS DID THE OTHER 91 COACHES,.STOP THE BS!!!!!
THAT IS WHAT HE WAS SUMMONED TO DO!! (...bold print is fun, perhaps even invigorating)
ADD a true 14 yr old 2017 from Long Island to an ancient eight school. Details to follow when permitted. :-D
Laviano?
do stop
Hello. I am parent of a 91 kid. I do not know who SL is, but this does not at all prove any point. I believe that somebody whined that the evaluators were all from 91, with hats, sweatshirts, etc. I guess that this has now scaled back a bit. Does "SL" need to apologize for doing a fine job with all of those face-off kids, from so many different clubs and schools? Do you seek pots to stir, when there are none? Come, now.
By the way, I figured out who SL is, but I believe that he was not at the high school session. Boy, do I wish my boy was in your middle school group. Sadly, we are a bit older. There are some real tacky, loud, cologne stinky Guidos in the younger aged groups, yes?
I must say, I thought this post was just a bunch of BS.
HOWEVER, I was at tryouts this morning with my son. 32 degrees and a lovely morning for lacrosse (sarcasm).
Everywhere I looked I saw 91 jackets, hats, sweatshirts. I am NOT talking about the kids I am talking about the "EVALUATORS".
Since when is Brine Lacrosse in bed with 91?
What a joke and a waste of money! Not to mention a waste of a morning which would have been better spent reading the paper.
We all know that bias exists even if we do not intend for it to. I am disappointed in Brine for engaging in this type of bait and switch. can't wait to see the roster. That said business is business and I guess 91 came across with some $$$
This event is compromised, wouldnt go anywhere near it
This is absolute BS! My son was there also. There was no one from 91 evaluating. Stop with the conspiracy theories
I saw Sal was there and spoke with Rooney. I also heard Mule was there but I personally didn't see him. So sir you are incorrect. [/quote]No Mule, sorry, but it still was their right to be there as requested. It was also the right and responsibility of the evaluators from 4 other clubs, and more than 6 area schools. Keep going, though. You will soon expose .....ummmmmmm.........something.
Hello. I am parent of a 91 kid. I do not know who SL is, but this does not at all prove any point. I believe that somebody whined that the evaluators were all from 91, with hats, sweatshirts, etc. I guess that this has now scaled back a bit. Does "SL" need to apologize for doing a fine job with all of those face-off kids, from so many different clubs and schools? Do you seek pots to stir, when there are none? Come, now.
So you don't know who SL is but he did a great job with face offs!
That's funny!
Hello. I am parent of a 91 kid. I do not know who SL is, but this does not at all prove any point. I believe that somebody whined that the evaluators were all from 91, with hats, sweatshirts, etc. I guess that this has now scaled back a bit. Does "SL" need to apologize for doing a fine job with all of those face-off kids, from so many different clubs and schools? Do you seek pots to stir, when there are none? Come, now.
So you don't know who SL is but he did a great job with face offs!
That's funny!
silly person, I do not know SL by face, but his reputation precedes him. Through reading these threads, I figured that he was the fella whom I had watched as the younger groups finished up, before my high schooler was to begin. It is your right, but I recommend that you consider possibilities before you leap upon somebody. (unless you are one of those loud, tacky, etc)
Hello. I am parent of a 91 kid. I do not know who SL is, but this does not at all prove any point. I believe that somebody whined that the evaluators were all from 91, with hats, sweatshirts, etc. I guess that this has now scaled back a bit. Does "SL" need to apologize for doing a fine job with all of those face-off kids, from so many different clubs and schools? Do you seek pots to stir, when there are none? Come, now.
So you don't know who SL is but he did a great job with face offs!
That's funny!
silly person, I do not know SL by face, but his reputation precedes him. Through reading these threads, I figured that he was the fella whom I had watched as the younger groups finished up, before my high schooler was to begin. It is your right, but I recommend that you consider possibilities before you leap upon somebody. (unless you are one of those loud, tacky, etc)
If you have no idea who SL than you have no idea how he will definitely favor his players over others that are better. Plain and simple. His team Extreme is a good team but there are individual players that are better than his extreme players out there that won't be picked.
Hello. I am parent of a 91 kid. I do not know who SL is, but this does not at all prove any point. I believe that somebody whined that the evaluators were all from 91, with hats, sweatshirts, etc. I guess that this has now scaled back a bit. Does "SL" need to apologize for doing a fine job with all of those face-off kids, from so many different clubs and schools? Do you seek pots to stir, when there are none? Come, now.
You are clearly interested in bashing. Re-read the prior messages, and see in which direction you keep heading. I didn't know him, you said that this was funny. I pointed out that I didn't know by appearance, you went off on an anti SL tangent. Conceal better.
So you don't know who SL is but he did a great job with face offs!
That's funny!
silly person, I do not know SL by face, but his reputation precedes him. Through reading these threads, I figured that he was the fella whom I had watched as the younger groups finished up, before my high schooler was to begin. It is your right, but I recommend that you consider possibilities before you leap upon somebody. (unless you are one of those loud, tacky, etc)
If you have no idea who SL than you have no idea how he will definitely favor his players over others that are better. Plain and simple. His team Extreme is a good team but there are individual players that are better than his extreme players out there that won't be picked.
Hello. I am parent of a 91 kid. I do not know who SL is, but this does not at all prove any point. I believe that somebody whined that the evaluators were all from 91, with hats, sweatshirts, etc. I guess that this has now scaled back a bit. Does "SL" need to apologize for doing a fine job with all of those face-off kids, from so many different clubs and schools? Do you seek pots to stir, when there are none? Come, now.
So you don't know who SL is but he did a great job with face offs!
That's funny!
silly person, I do not know SL by face, but his reputation precedes him. Through reading these threads, I figured that he was the fella whom I had watched as the younger groups finished up, before my high schooler was to begin. It is your right, but I recommend that you consider possibilities before you leap upon somebody. (unless you are one of those loud, tacky, etc)
Is reputation precedes him?? You assumed he was the face off evaluator because of his reputation as a goalie? Stop it. Your digging yourself deeper and deeper.
At least 10 kids from his 91 team should make the team. Best around by far!
He did not do a good job with the face off kids. He segregated the kids he knew by name because he called only them by name and had them face off against one another. He did't pay much attention to the other kids. He never had them all rotate against one another. How is that being objective?
ADD a true 14 yr old 2017 from Long Island to an ancient eight school. Details to follow when permitted. :-D
Don't know if realted to the above as "ancient eight" typically refers to the Ivy League. Just saw a LI Express 2017 LSM committed to Bucknell. Ty Zanders and Casey Vock from Inside Lacrosse tweeted the commitment. Congrats to the kid, great kid, great player. If Bucknell is taking kids this early, things are really moving up in terms of timeframe. They have typically not been considered an "early recruting" school nor have the other Patriot League schools.
Hello. I am parent of a 91 kid. I do not know who SL is, but this does not at all prove any point. I believe that somebody whined that the evaluators were all from 91, with hats, sweatshirts, etc. I guess that this has now scaled back a bit. Does "SL" need to apologize for doing a fine job with all of those face-off kids, from so many different clubs and schools? Do you seek pots to stir, when there are none? Come, now.
By the way, I figured out who SL is, but I believe that he was not at the high school session. Boy, do I wish my boy was in your middle school group. Sadly, we are a bit older. There are some real tacky, loud, cologne stinky guys in the younger aged groups, yes?
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Cage can we address both these posters and ask them to refrain from making derogatory comments about specific ethnic and religious groups
Hey Cage are you kidding letting a post like that on these threads.
Cage can we address both these posters and ask them to refrain from making derogatory comments about specific ethnic and religious groups
These offensive posts have been removed.
Hey Cage are you kidding letting a post like that on these threads.
The offending posts have been removed - the post was accidentally approved and we thought we had hit the delete button in our management console.
ADD a true 14 yr old 2017 from Long Island to an ancient eight school. Details to follow when permitted. :-D
Don't know if realted to the above as "ancient eight" typically refers to the Ivy League. Just saw a LI Express 2017 LSM committed to Bucknell. Ty Zanders and Casey Vock from Inside Lacrosse tweeted the commitment. Congrats to the kid, great kid, great player. If Bucknell is taking kids this early, things are really moving up in terms of timeframe. They have typically not been considered an "early recruting" school nor have the other Patriot League schools.
Is the school asking the kid to commit or vice versa? I pose that question to any 2017 commit.
ADD a true 14 yr old 2017 from Long Island to an ancient eight school. Details to follow when permitted. :-D
Don't know if realted to the above as "ancient eight" typically refers to the Ivy League. Just saw a LI Express 2017 LSM committed to Bucknell. Ty Zanders and Casey Vock from Inside Lacrosse tweeted the commitment. Congrats to the kid, great kid, great player. If Bucknell is taking kids this early, things are really moving up in terms of timeframe. They have typically not been considered an "early recruting" school nor have the other Patriot League schools.
Is the school asking the kid to commit or vice versa? I pose that question to any 2017 commit.
this is ALL the parents doings.
ADD a true 14 yr old 2017 from Long Island to an ancient eight school. Details to follow when permitted. :-D
Don't know if realted to the above as "ancient eight" typically refers to the Ivy League. Just saw a LI Express 2017 LSM committed to Bucknell. Ty Zanders and Casey Vock from Inside Lacrosse tweeted the commitment. Congrats to the kid, great kid, great player. If Bucknell is taking kids this early, things are really moving up in terms of timeframe. They have typically not been considered an "early recruting" school nor have the other Patriot League schools.
Is the school asking the kid to commit or vice versa? I pose that question to any 2017 commit.
this is ALL the parents doings.
Ths Schools are asking the kids to commit. It is a great deal for the kids in my view and the parents are absolutely right to take the schools up on it. Also the 2017 kids that are being offered are superb players and the schools are smart for picking them up. Why wouldn't Bucknell want a LSM with speed and stick skills? They picked up another solid one in the 2016 class earlier in the year. They know what they are doing.
Perhaps the schools know what they are doing, but do the kids? Bucknell has a fantastic reputation, and many different academic opportunities, but does a 9th grader really know at this point what they want to do in life, what major they would want to pursue, what type of school they want to attend. Most seniors are unsure of these questions.
I wish all these kids the best of luck and hope it works out for them, but I fear that over the next 10 yeasr, there will be many bad choices made for the wrong reason.
The best advice my oldest son ever got from a coach was to not choose his school because of the lax program, but becasue the school was right for him.
I must say, I thought this post was just a bunch of BS.
HOWEVER, I was at tryouts this morning with my son. 32 degrees and a lovely morning for lacrosse (sarcasm).
Everywhere I looked I saw 91 jackets, hats, sweatshirts. I am NOT talking about the kids I am talking about the "EVALUATORS".
Since when is Brine Lacrosse in bed with 91?
What a joke and a waste of money! Not to mention a waste of a morning which would have been better spent reading the paper.
We all know that bias exists even if we do not intend for it to. I am disappointed in Brine for engaging in this type of bait and switch. can't wait to see the roster. That said business is business and I guess 91 came across with some $$$
This event is compromised, wouldnt go anywhere near it
This is absolute BS! My son was there also. There was no one from 91 evaluating. Stop with the conspiracy theories
I saw Sal was there and spoke with Rooney. I also heard Mule was there but I personally didn't see him. So sir you are incorrect. [/quote]
First off...this is the 2017 forum, which is the HS tryout. I was speaking for the HS tryout. Secondly, you "heard" wrong, Mule' was not there. and lastly, the original poster on 12/8 @ 1:22 stated "Everywhere I looked I saw 91 jackets, hats, sweatshirts. I am NOT talking about the kids I am talking about the "EVALUATORS"." That's where I say BS & stop with the conspiracy theories.
I must say, I thought this post was just a bunch of BS.
HOWEVER, I was at tryouts this morning with my son. 32 degrees and a lovely morning for lacrosse (sarcasm).
Everywhere I looked I saw 91 jackets, hats, sweatshirts. I am NOT talking about the kids I am talking about the "EVALUATORS".
Since when is Brine Lacrosse in bed with 91?
What a joke and a waste of money! Not to mention a waste of a morning which would have been better spent reading the paper.
We all know that bias exists even if we do not intend for it to. I am disappointed in Brine for engaging in this type of bait and switch. can't wait to see the roster. That said business is business and I guess 91 came across with some $$$
This event is compromised, wouldnt go anywhere near it
This is absolute BS! My son was there also. There was no one from 91 evaluating. Stop with the conspiracy theories
I saw Sal was there and spoke with Rooney. I also heard Mule was there but I personally didn't see him. So sir you are incorrect.
First off...this is the 2017 forum, which is the HS tryout. I was speaking for the HS tryout. Secondly, you "heard" wrong, Mule' was not there. and lastly, the original poster on 12/8 @ 1:22 stated "Everywhere I looked I saw 91 jackets, hats, sweatshirts. I am NOT talking about the kids I am talking about the "EVALUATORS"." That's where I say BS & stop with the conspiracy theories. [/quote]
Are you saying they weren't there, or they didn't have on 91 hats and jackets?
Perhaps the schools know what they are doing, but do the kids? Bucknell has a fantastic reputation, and many different academic opportunities, but does a 9th grader really know at this point what they want to do in life, what major they would want to pursue, what type of school they want to attend. Most seniors are unsure of these questions.
I wish all these kids the best of luck and hope it works out for them, but I fear that over the next 10 yeasr, there will be many bad choices made for the wrong reason.
The best advice my oldest son ever got from a coach was to not choose his school because of the lax program, but becasue the school was right for him.
You're assuming he is a 14 yr old. He may be, or he may be a older (and hopefully wiser).
ADD a true 14 yr old 2017 from Long Island to an ancient eight school. Details to follow when permitted. :-D
Don't know if realted to the above as "ancient eight" typically refers to the Ivy League. Just saw a LI Express 2017 LSM committed to Bucknell. Ty Zanders and Casey Vock from Inside Lacrosse tweeted the commitment. Congrats to the kid, great kid, great player. If Bucknell is taking kids this early, things are really moving up in terms of timeframe. They have typically not been considered an "early recruting" school nor have the other Patriot League schools.
Is the school asking the kid to commit or vice versa? I pose that question to any 2017 commit.
this is ALL the parents doings.
Ths Schools are asking the kids to commit. It is a great deal for the kids in my view and the parents are absolutely right to take the schools up on it. Also the 2017 kids that are being offered are superb players and the schools are smart for picking them up. Why wouldn't Bucknell want a LSM with speed and stick skills? They picked up another solid one in the 2016 class earlier in the year. They know what they are doing.
Right. What they are doing is casting a wide net. What they are not doing is reaching the Championship spot. If you have the pocketbook for a great academic school like this then run with it. If your kid no longer plays the sport while attending, hopefully they are still attracted to the pursued degree otherwise its a 240K write off.
ADD a true 14 yr old 2017 from Long Island to an ancient eight school. Details to follow when permitted. :-D
Don't know if realted to the above as "ancient eight" typically refers to the Ivy League. Just saw a LI Express 2017 LSM committed to Bucknell. Ty Zanders and Casey Vock from Inside Lacrosse tweeted the commitment. Congrats to the kid, great kid, great player. If Bucknell is taking kids this early, things are really moving up in terms of timeframe. They have typically not been considered an "early recruting" school nor have the other Patriot League schools.
Is the school asking the kid to commit or vice versa? I pose that question to any 2017 commit.
this is ALL the parents doings.
Ths Schools are asking the kids to commit. It is a great deal for the kids in my view and the parents are absolutely right to take the schools up on it. Also the 2017 kids that are being offered are superb players and the schools are smart for picking them up. Why wouldn't Bucknell want a LSM with speed and stick skills? They picked up another solid one in the 2016 class earlier in the year. They know what they are doing.
Right. What they are doing is casting a wide net. What they are not doing is reaching the Championship spot. If you have the pocketbook for a great academic school like this then run with it. If your kid no longer plays the sport while attending, hopefully they are still attracted to the pursued degree otherwise its a 240K write off.
Stop with the left handed compliments. If your son had the same opportunity you'd be all over it. Further, life is about risks. You never experience anything if you don't lay it on the line sometimes. I would rather my son take a shot with one of these opportunities than to spend a lifetime thinking I could have, should have. What's the down side? If doesn't work out you move on and go down the next road. Most schools take transfer credits. How many kids who aren't even athletes go to a school, hate it for whatever reason and transfer? Happens all the time. I can think of certain current All American who took a shot a one school and it didn't workout, moved on and is having a stellar lax career, and getting a fine education at another school. Things can and do workout.
If a player in the 2017 class has garnered enough attention from high level D1 coaches via his current LAX skill sets to even be considered for a commit at this point; what is the problem with that?
Most of these kids are way above the curve academically and from what I've witnessed speaking to many of these elite level players; is that they consistently conduct themselves at a much higher maturity level both socially and academically than your basic 14 year old, and as such, have valuable opinions about why they are willing to commit and why they are picking certain schools at this point in their life.
Perhaps this is unfathomable to parents of kids who are not performing at these levels; yet that should not be a basis for criticism towards those who are and will likely continue to remain. We all want what is best for our children in our opinions.
It is up to the individual player; his parents and the interested coaches to come to a common conclusion as to committing at this age or not.
It is not to be decided by public committee and opinion.
If your 2017 kid is fortunate enough to be considered to be committed at this time, then congrats to him for a fine job thus far. I wish them all continued success, as I do my own son, who is also a member of this small group of very special players.
If a player in the 2017 class has garnered enough attention from high level D1 coaches via his current LAX skill sets to even be considered for a commit at this point; what is the problem with that?
Most of these kids are way above the curve academically and from what I've witnessed speaking to many of these elite level players; is that they consistently conduct themselves at a much higher maturity level both socially and academically than your basic 14 year old, and as such, have valuable opinions about why they are willing to commit and why they are picking certain schools at this point in their life.
Perhaps this is unfathomable to parents of kids who are not performing at these levels; yet that should not be a basis for criticism towards those who are and will likely continue to remain. We all want what is best for our children in our opinions.
It is up to the individual player; his parents and the interested coaches to come to a common conclusion as to committing at this age or not.
It is not to be decided by public committee and opinion.
If your 2017 kid is fortunate enough to be considered to be committed at this time, then congrats to him for a fine job thus far. I wish them all continued success, as I do my own son, who is also a member of this small group of very special players.
Generally agree with the sentiment but the chest-pounding (last sentence) is what is nauseating and should stop. Each on their own time frame.
If a player in the 2017 class has garnered enough attention from high level D1 coaches via his current LAX skill sets to even be considered for a commit at this point; what is the problem with that?
Most of these kids are way above the curve academically and from what I've witnessed speaking to many of these elite level players; is that they consistently conduct themselves at a much higher maturity level both socially and academically than your basic 14 year old, and as such, have valuable opinions about why they are willing to commit and why they are picking certain schools at this point in their life.
Perhaps this is unfathomable to parents of kids who are not performing at these levels; yet that should not be a basis for criticism towards those who are and will likely continue to remain. We all want what is best for our children in our opinions.
It is up to the individual player; his parents and the interested coaches to come to a common conclusion as to committing at this age or not.
It is not to be decided by public committee and opinion.
If your 2017 kid is fortunate enough to be considered to be committed at this time, then congrats to him for a fine job thus far. I wish them all continued success, as I do my own son, who is also a member of this small group of very special players.
Generally agree with the sentiment but the chest-pounding (last sentence) is what is nauseating and should stop. Each on their own time frame.
Agreed! "Small group of very special players" ?? What does that make everyone else? Sickening.
It is the parents of the kids who are not being recruited that are complaining.
If you had a 9th or 10th grade "Non Athlete" and they were asked to commit to one of the following schools, how many people would say no thanks.
School US News Ranking
Princeton 1
University of Penn 7
Hopkins 12
Cornell 16
Notre Dame 18
Georgetown 20
Virginia 23
Michigan 28
University of North Carolina 30
Penn State 37
Ohio State 52
Maryland 62
Syracuse 62
Liberal Arts Colleges
Army 17
Colgate 20
Air Force 25
Bucknell 32
All of the above listed schools have many committed 2016's and they are now starting on the 2017's.
They are all good schools, good luck to NY kids trying to get into these schools without lacrosse.
SORRY; IS IT A LARGE GROUP?
If a player in the 2017 class has garnered enough attention from high level D1 coaches via his current LAX skill sets to even be considered for a commit at this point; what is the problem with that?
Most of these kids are way above the curve academically and from what I've witnessed speaking to many of these elite level players; is that they consistently conduct themselves at a much higher maturity level both socially and academically than your basic 14 year old, and as such, have valuable opinions about why they are willing to commit and why they are picking certain schools at this point in their life.
Perhaps this is unfathomable to parents of kids who are not performing at these levels; yet that should not be a basis for criticism towards those who are and will likely continue to remain. We all want what is best for our children in our opinions.
It is up to the individual player; his parents and the interested coaches to come to a common conclusion as to committing at this age or not.
It is not to be decided by public committee and opinion.
If your 2017 kid is fortunate enough to be considered to be committed at this time, then congrats to him for a fine job thus far. I wish them all continued success, as I do my own son, who is also a member of this small group of very special players.
Generally agree with the sentiment but the chest-pounding (last sentence) is what is nauseating and should stop. Each on their own time frame.
Agreed! "Small group of very special players" ?? What does that make everyone else? Sickening.
It means they are better than your kid....it's called life, everyone isnt the same...face facts, get in line and your time will come if it is meant to be. Be hapy for the boys who get an early look, most are deserved.
My only addition to this whole conversation would be to keep in mind that a lot can happen over 3-4 years. The kids that are "special" now, may not be so special in 3 years, whereas the kids you are writing off may just be running by your special kid. Watch out for that Karma bus, it might just run over you someday. With that said, if your son is an early commit, best of luck to him.
If a player in the 2017 class has garnered enough attention from high level D1 coaches via his current LAX skill sets to even be considered for a commit at this point; what is the problem with that?
Most of these kids are way above the curve academically and from what I've witnessed speaking to many of these elite level players; is that they consistently conduct themselves at a much higher maturity level both socially and academically than your basic 14 year old, and as such, have valuable opinions about why they are willing to commit and why they are picking certain schools at this point in their life.
Perhaps this is unfathomable to parents of kids who are not performing at these levels; yet that should not be a basis for criticism towards those who are and will likely continue to remain. We all want what is best for our children in our opinions.
It is up to the individual player; his parents and the interested coaches to come to a common conclusion as to committing at this age or not.
It is not to be decided by public committee and opinion.
If your 2017 kid is fortunate enough to be considered to be committed at this time, then congrats to him for a fine job thus far. I wish them all continued success, as I do my own son, who is also a member of this small group of very special players.
Generally agree with the sentiment but the chest-pounding (last sentence) is what is nauseating and should stop. Each on their own time frame.
Agreed! "Small group of very special players" ?? What does that make everyone else? Sickening.
Also part of the reason they "conduct themselves at a much higher maturity level both socially and academically than your basic 14 year old" is that they aren't 14 - most (not all) have been 15 or 16 who have committed.
As part of the maturity, I would question if a 9th grader understands the commitment required of a student/athlete at the D1 level? I would imagine that a lot of kids are chasing the jersey that they see on TV as opposed to the parchment from the institution at the end of 4 years. This is something that each family needs to evalaute for their child. I also believe, perhaps wrongly (many opinions on this), that a talented lacrosse player will find a spot regardless of when they commit.
If a player in the 2017 class has garnered enough attention from high level D1 coaches via his current LAX skill sets to even be considered for a commit at this point; what is the problem with that?
Most of these kids are way above the curve academically and from what I've witnessed speaking to many of these elite level players; is that they consistently conduct themselves at a much higher maturity level both socially and academically than your basic 14 year old, and as such, have valuable opinions about why they are willing to commit and why they are picking certain schools at this point in their life.
Perhaps this is unfathomable to parents of kids who are not performing at these levels; yet that should not be a basis for criticism towards those who are and will likely continue to remain. We all want what is best for our children in our opinions.
It is up to the individual player; his parents and the interested coaches to come to a common conclusion as to committing at this age or not.
It is not to be decided by public committee and opinion.
If your 2017 kid is fortunate enough to be considered to be committed at this time, then congrats to him for a fine job thus far. I wish them all continued success, as I do my own son, who is also a member of this small group of very special players.
Generally agree with the sentiment but the chest-pounding (last sentence) is what is nauseating and should stop. Each on their own time frame.
Agreed! "Small group of very special players" ?? What does that make everyone else? Sickening.
It means they are better than your kid....it's called life, everyone isnt the same...face facts, get in line and your time will come if it is meant to be. Be hapy for the boys who get an early look, most are deserved.
I highly doubt that, as my son is committed to a top program. I would never brag, or state that he is a member of an elite group. We appreciate the recognition, but always remain humble. As another poster said, Karma can be a [lacrosse]. If you have to brag about your kid, he porbably is not as good as you think he is!
At this point in time there are probably close to 200 2016 D-I commits. The college coaches have a "short list" of kids that they are talking with in order to fill the remaining spots that they have for that class.
They are all looking to identify the 2017's that they will recruit.
The 2016 committed players represent approximately 22 States plus the District of Columbia and Canada.
I do not think that any of the known 2017 commits are from Long Island.
The Sport is growing and College Coaches are looking near and far in order to fill their "spots".
If someone tells you that college coaches are not looking at 9th graders you run the other way.
If someone tells you to play only with your town you should run the other way.
Good luck to all
If a player in the 2017 class has garnered enough attention from high level D1 coaches via his current LAX skill sets to even be considered for a commit at this point; what is the problem with that?
Most of these kids are way above the curve academically and from what I've witnessed speaking to many of these elite level players; is that they consistently conduct themselves at a much higher maturity level both socially and academically than your basic 14 year old, and as such, have valuable opinions about why they are willing to commit and why they are picking certain schools at this point in their life.
Perhaps this is unfathomable to parents of kids who are not performing at these levels; yet that should not be a basis for criticism towards those who are and will likely continue to remain. We all want what is best for our children in our opinions.
It is up to the individual player; his parents and the interested coaches to come to a common conclusion as to committing at this age or not.
It is not to be decided by public committee and opinion.
If your 2017 kid is fortunate enough to be considered to be committed at this time, then congrats to him for a fine job thus far. I wish them all continued success, as I do my own son, who is also a member of this small group of very special players.
Generally agree with the sentiment but the chest-pounding (last sentence) is what is nauseating and should stop. Each on their own time frame.
Agreed! "Small group of very special players" ?? What does that make everyone else? Sickening.
It means they are better than your kid....it's called life, everyone isnt the same...face facts, get in line and your time will come if it is meant to be. Be hapy for the boys who get an early look, most are deserved.
As my kid may be behind, slightly, from these early commits I would still venture to guess that "better" and "life" will be defined by something greater than a 9th grade accomplishment.
I congratulate the kids, but the parents have a lot to learn.
At this point in time there are probably close to 200 2016 D-I commits. The college coaches have a "short list" of kids that they are talking with in order to fill the remaining spots that they have for that class.
They are all looking to identify the 2017's that they will recruit.
The 2016 committed players represent approximately 22 States plus the District of Columbia and Canada.
I do not think that any of the known 2017 commits are from Long Island.
The Sport is growing and College Coaches are looking near and far in order to fill their "spots".
If someone tells you that college coaches are not looking at 9th graders you run the other way.
If someone tells you to play only with your town you should run the other way.
Good luck to all
Actually 2 of 11 known/public 2017 commits are from LI and my guess is there are probably others who have committed from LI that are not public yet.
At this point in time there are probably close to 200 2016 D-I commits. The college coaches have a "short list" of kids that they are talking with in order to fill the remaining spots that they have for that class.
They are all looking to identify the 2017's that they will recruit.
The 2016 committed players represent approximately 22 States plus the District of Columbia and Canada.
I do not think that any of the known 2017 commits are from Long Island.
The Sport is growing and College Coaches are looking near and far in order to fill their "spots".
If someone tells you that college coaches are not looking at 9th graders you run the other way.
If someone tells you to play only with your town you should run the other way.
Good luck to all
Actually 2 of 11 known/public 2017 commits are from LI and my guess is there are probably others who have committed from LI that are not public yet.
Congrats to all the early commits. No doubt Long Island will have their fair share of D1 spots. I suspect that the higest level programs (academically and lax wise) will not move forward until spring/ summer because 1)they can and 2) because they need to collect more grades as they have more strict guidelines from their respective admissions. I am certain that many first commits from these institutions will be from LI.
At this point in time there are probably close to 200 2016 D-I commits. The college coaches have a "short list" of kids that they are talking with in order to fill the remaining spots that they have for that class.
They are all looking to identify the 2017's that they will recruit.
The 2016 committed players represent approximately 22 States plus the District of Columbia and Canada.
I do not think that any of the known 2017 commits are from Long Island.
The Sport is growing and College Coaches are looking near and far in order to fill their "spots".
If someone tells you that college coaches are not looking at 9th graders you run the other way.
If someone tells you to play only with your town you should run the other way.
Good luck to all
Actually 2 of 11 known/public 2017 commits are from LI and my guess is there are probably others who have committed from LI that are not public yet.
1 of the 11 is from LI, the other kid you are thinking of is from Westchester but plays for LI Express.
If a player in the 2017 class has garnered enough attention from high level D1 coaches via his current LAX skill sets to even be considered for a commit at this point; what is the problem with that?
Most of these kids are way above the curve academically and from what I've witnessed speaking to many of these elite level players; is that they consistently conduct themselves at a much higher maturity level both socially and academically than your basic 14 year old, and as such, have valuable opinions about why they are willing to commit and why they are picking certain schools at this point in their life.
Perhaps this is unfathomable to parents of kids who are not performing at these levels; yet that should not be a basis for criticism towards those who are and will likely continue to remain. We all want what is best for our children in our opinions.
It is up to the individual player; his parents and the interested coaches to come to a common conclusion as to committing at this age or not.
It is not to be decided by public committee and opinion.
If your 2017 kid is fortunate enough to be considered to be committed at this time, then congrats to him for a fine job thus far. I wish them all continued success, as I do my own son, who is also a member of this small group of very special players.
Generally agree with the sentiment but the chest-pounding (last sentence) is what is nauseating and should stop. Each on their own time frame.
Agreed! "Small group of very special players" ?? What does that make everyone else? Sickening.
It means they are better than your kid....it's called life, everyone isnt the same...face facts, get in line and your time will come if it is meant to be. Be hapy for the boys who get an early look, most are deserved.
As my kid may be behind, slightly, from these early commits I would still venture to guess that "better" and "life" will be defined by something greater than a 9th grade accomplishment.
I congratulate the kids, but the parents have a lot to learn.
I think a lot of this has less to do with whats best for the kids but to inflate the egos of the crazy parents living through their kids. If your kid is a good player and has good grades he most certainly will find the fit that works for him.
I think a lot more offers have been made but Families are keeping silent or haven't accepted?
At this point in time there are probably close to 200 2016 D-I commits. The college coaches have a "short list" of kids that they are talking with in order to fill the remaining spots that they have for that class.
They are all looking to identify the 2017's that they will recruit.
The 2016 committed players represent approximately 22 States plus the District of Columbia and Canada.
I do not think that any of the known 2017 commits are from Long Island.
The Sport is growing and College Coaches are looking near and far in order to fill their "spots".
If someone tells you that college coaches are not looking at 9th graders you run the other way.
If someone tells you to play only with your town you should run the other way.
Good luck to all
Actually 2 of 11 known/public 2017 commits are from LI and my guess is there are probably others who have committed from LI that are not public yet.
correctamundo, Cunningham!
At this point in time there are probably close to 200 2016 D-I commits. The college coaches have a "short list" of kids that they are talking with in order to fill the remaining spots that they have for that class.
They are all looking to identify the 2017's that they will recruit.
The 2016 committed players represent approximately 22 States plus the District of Columbia and Canada.
I do not think that any of the known 2017 commits are from Long Island.
The Sport is growing and College Coaches are looking near and far in order to fill their "spots".
If someone tells you that college coaches are not looking at 9th graders you run the other way.
If someone tells you to play only with your town you should run the other way.
Good luck to all
Actually 2 of 11 known/public 2017 commits are from LI and my guess is there are probably others who have committed from LI that are not public yet.
1 of the 11 is from LI, the other kid you are thinking of is from Westchester but plays for LI Express.
+1 long islander
Anyone get anything about a new 3d DI showcase this summer?
If a player in the 2017 class has garnered enough attention from high level D1 coaches via his current LAX skill sets to even be considered for a commit at this point; what is the problem with that?
Most of these kids are way above the curve academically and from what I've witnessed speaking to many of these elite level players; is that they consistently conduct themselves at a much higher maturity level both socially and academically than your basic 14 year old, and as such, have valuable opinions about why they are willing to commit and why they are picking certain schools at this point in their life.
Perhaps this is unfathomable to parents of kids who are not performing at these levels; yet that should not be a basis for criticism towards those who are and will likely continue to remain. We all want what is best for our children in our opinions.
It is up to the individual player; his parents and the interested coaches to come to a common conclusion as to committing at this age or not.
It is not to be decided by public committee and opinion.
If your 2017 kid is fortunate enough to be considered to be committed at this time, then congrats to him for a fine job thus far. I wish them all continued success, as I do my own son, who is also a member of this small group of very special players.
Generally agree with the sentiment but the chest-pounding (last sentence) is what is nauseating and should stop. Each on their own time frame.
Agreed! "Small group of very special players" ?? What does that make everyone else? Sickening.
It means they are better than your kid....it's called life, everyone isnt the same...face facts, get in line and your time will come if it is meant to be. Be hapy for the boys who get an early look, most are deserved.
As my kid may be behind, slightly, from these early commits I would still venture to guess that "better" and "life" will be defined by something greater than a 9th grade accomplishment.
I congratulate the kids, but the parents have a lot to learn.
One thing i have found consistent with this "small group", most of the parents just don't shut their traps about how good their kid is, it's nauseating. You can't stand near them during a game or event without the running commentary. from what I see in this group is some pretty good reclassified kids that will eventually revert back to the mean, and some kids who marketed themselves well. If any of them were true to their work about being humble they wouldn't have announced the commitment in the first place and they sure as [lacrosse] wouldn't be on this blog defending it. We all know a few of these parents on the east coast and being humble isn't in their dna
If a player in the 2017 class has garnered enough attention from high level D1 coaches via his current LAX skill sets to even be considered for a commit at this point; what is the problem with that?
Most of these kids are way above the curve academically and from what I've witnessed speaking to many of these elite level players; is that they consistently conduct themselves at a much higher maturity level both socially and academically than your basic 14 year old, and as such, have valuable opinions about why they are willing to commit and why they are picking certain schools at this point in their life.
Perhaps this is unfathomable to parents of kids who are not performing at these levels; yet that should not be a basis for criticism towards those who are and will likely continue to remain. We all want what is best for our children in our opinions.
It is up to the individual player; his parents and the interested coaches to come to a common conclusion as to committing at this age or not.
It is not to be decided by public committee and opinion.
If your 2017 kid is fortunate enough to be considered to be committed at this time, then congrats to him for a fine job thus far. I wish them all continued success, as I do my own son, who is also a member of this small group of very special players.
Generally agree with the sentiment but the chest-pounding (last sentence) is what is nauseating and should stop. Each on their own time frame.
Agreed! "Small group of very special players" ?? What does that make everyone else? Sickening.
It means they are better than your kid....it's called life, everyone isnt the same...face facts, get in line and your time will come if it is meant to be. Be hapy for the boys who get an early look, most are deserved.
As my kid may be behind, slightly, from these early commits I would still venture to guess that "better" and "life" will be defined by something greater than a 9th grade accomplishment.
I congratulate the kids, but the parents have a lot to learn.
One thing i have found consistent with this "small group", most of the parents just don't shut their traps about how good their kid is, it's nauseating. You can't stand near them during a game or event without the running commentary. from what I see in this group is some pretty good reclassified kids that will eventually revert back to the mean, and some kids who marketed themselves well. If any of them were true to their work about being humble they wouldn't have announced the commitment in the first place and they sure as [lacrosse] wouldn't be on this blog defending it. We all know a few of these parents on the east coast and being humble isn't in their dna
whatever...why begrudge anyone for being proud of their kid's accomplishments?
If mine was in that group I'd sure as [lacrosse] like it.
We don't stop people from saying their kid is an A student do we?
we admire the hard work that went into the task of achievement.
So why not consider these lax kids special in that way? they are milestones for others to strive to be like.
I don't see the problem here.
stop whining and put your kid in the class room and on the wall and just maybe he'll measure up... no body gave anything to these kids...they busted their collective asses to get that good in the class and on the field.
good on them!!
Cheers!
]If a player in the 2017 class has garnered enough attention from high level D1 coaches via his current LAX skill sets to even be considered for a commit at this point; what is the problem with that?
Most of these kids are way above the curve academically and from what I've witnessed speaking to many of these elite level players; is that they consistently conduct themselves at a much higher maturity level both socially and academically than your basic 14 year old, and as such, have valuable opinions about why they are willing to commit and why they are picking certain schools at this point in their life.
Perhaps this is unfathomable to parents of kids who are not performing at these levels; yet that should not be a basis for criticism towards those who are and will likely continue to remain. We all want what is best for our children in our opinions.
It is up to the individual player; his parents and the interested coaches to come to a common conclusion as to committing at this age or not.
It is not to be decided by public committee and opinion.
If your 2017 kid is fortunate enough to be considered to be committed at this time, then congrats to him for a fine job thus far. I wish them all continued success, as I do my own son, who is also a member of this small group of very special players.
[/quote] Generally agree with the sentiment but the chest-pounding (last sentence) is what is nauseating and should stop. Each on their own time frame. [/quote]
Agreed! "Small group of very special players" ?? What does that make everyone else? Sickening. [/quote]
One thing i have found consistent with this "small group", most of the parents just don't shut their traps about how good their kid is, it's nauseating. You can't stand near them during a game or event without the running commentary. from what I see in this group is some pretty good reclassified kids that will eventually revert back to the mean, and some kids who marketed themselves well. If any of them were true to their work about being humble they wouldn't have announced the commitment in the first place and they sure as [lacrosse] wouldn't be on this blog defending it. We all know a few of these parents on the east coast and being humble isn't in their dna [/quote]
whatever...why begrudge anyone for being proud of their kid's accomplishments?
If mine was in that group I'd sure as [lacrosse] like it.
We don't stop people from saying their kid is an A student do we?
we admire the hard work that went into the task of achievement.
So why not consider these lax kids special in that way? they are milestones for others to strive to be like.
I don't see the problem here.
stop whining and put your kid in the class room and on the wall and just maybe he'll measure up... no body gave anything to these kids...they busted their collective asses to get that good in the class and on the field.
good on them!!
Cheers! [/quote]
I guess my point is I don't believe they're that good. No whining here. Actually i thank them for motivating others to be better, and there will be many in this class to be better. be proud no pompous
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I guess my point is I don't believe they're that good. No whining here. Actually i thank them for motivating others to be better, and there will be many in this class to be better. be proud no pompous [/quote]
That's why you're not a D 1 College scout or head coach...its their job to recognize talent and they know what they are doing. Or do you know better?
keep wishing for that late bloomer...hope that works out
I guess my point is I don't believe they're that good. No whining here. Actually i thank them for motivating others to be better, and there will be many in this class to be better. be proud no pompous
That's why you're not a D 1 College scout or head coach...its their job to recognize talent and they know what they are doing. Or do you know better?
keep wishing for that late bloomer...hope that works out
Oh it will, I hope the overzealous parent living vicariously through his son thing works out for you.
cheers
I think a lot more offers have been made but Families are keeping silent or haven't accepted?
yes, on both fronts
I guess my point is I don't believe they're that good. No whining here. Actually i thank them for motivating others to be better, and there will be many in this class to be better. be proud no pompous
That's why you're not a D 1 College scout or head coach...its their job to recognize talent and they know what they are doing. Or do you know better?
keep wishing for that late bloomer...hope that works out
Oh it will, I hope the overzealous parent living vicariously through his son thing works out for you.
cheers
Already did my own D1 full ride thing...it's his turn now. Ya know...genetics is a great thing....
Cheers to you and yours.
The 11 Boys are the tip of the iceberg from what's really going on out there. I'm sure all top players have had strong contact with a specific College and have been on unofficial visits. Either waiting on a offer or declined.
A lot of these Schools do not want risk losing the Athlete once they attend Jake Reed or Maverick Showtime.
I guess my point is I don't believe they're that good. No whining here. Actually i thank them for motivating others to be better, and there will be many in this class to be better. be proud no pompous
That's why you're not a D 1 College scout or head coach...its their job to recognize talent and they know what they are doing. Or do you know better?
keep wishing for that late bloomer...hope that works out
Oh it will, I hope the overzealous parent living vicariously through his son thing works out for you.
cheers
Already did my own D1 full ride thing...it's his turn now. Ya know...genetics is a great thing....
Cheers to you and yours.
Both of you sound like 14 year old.....
Girls!
I guess my point is I don't believe they're that good. No whining here. Actually i thank them for motivating others to be better, and there will be many in this class to be better. be proud no pompous
That's why you're not a D 1 College scout or head coach...its their job to recognize talent and they know what they are doing. Or do you know better?
keep wishing for that late bloomer...hope that works out
Oh it will, I hope the overzealous parent living vicariously through his son thing works out for you.
cheers
Already did my own D1 full ride thing...it's his turn now. Ya know...genetics is a great thing....
Cheers to you and yours.
Like father rides the bench, son rides the bench! Happy Holidays
Maybe you should try a little humility. What happens when your son gets injured or does not live up to your expectations? Rehab ? People like you are sickening!!
Take the risk and grab the Player before he goes on the open market after Jake Reed or Mav Showtime.
I guess my point is I don't believe they're that good. No whining here. Actually i thank them for motivating others to be better, and there will be many in this class to be better. be proud no pompous
That's why you're not a D 1 College scout or head coach...its their job to recognize talent and they know what they are doing. Or do you know better?
keep wishing for that late bloomer...hope that works out
Oh it will, I hope the overzealous parent living vicariously through his son thing works out for you.
cheers
Already did my own D1 full ride thing...it's his turn now. Ya know...genetics is a great thing....
Cheers to you and yours.
Like father rides the bench, son rides the bench! Happy Holidays
Maybe you should try a little humility. What happens when your son gets injured or does not live up to your expectations? Rehab ? People like you are sickening!!
bench?...go sit there with your kid and console him as to why you didn't help train him or get him the proper high level private coaching while you went to the beach instead of training. the others got recruited to play because they did and do play...the benches are for those who don't put the extra work in...
its your whining that is nauseating...the soccer team needs a few "winners"...ya know; no first or second place...no need to learn how to compete...just let daddy whine to coaches and who ever will listen as to why little johnny didn't get this or qualify for that.
Pardon the interruption...for those who experienced Brine. Who coaches the teams at the summer camp? Dont need names, just HS coaches, College, or?? Do they keep that coach the entire camp? Did they practice (with that coach or someone else?) as a team before attending the camp in the summer? Thanks
I guess my point is I don't believe they're that good. No whining here. Actually i thank them for motivating others to be better, and there will be many in this class to be better. be proud no pompous
That's why you're not a D 1 College scout or head coach...its their job to recognize talent and they know what they are doing. Or do you know better?
keep wishing for that late bloomer...hope that works out
Oh it will, I hope the overzealous parent living vicariously through his son thing works out for you.
cheers
Already did my own D1 full ride thing...it's his turn now. Ya know...genetics is a great thing....
Cheers to you and yours.
Like father rides the bench, son rides the bench! Happy Holidays
Maybe you should try a little humility. What happens when your son gets injured or does not live up to your expectations? Rehab ? People like you are sickening!!
bench?...go sit there with your kid and console him as to why you didn't help train him or get him the proper high level private coaching while you went to the beach instead of training. the others got recruited to play because they did and do play...the benches are for those who don't put the extra work in...
its your whining that is nauseating...the soccer team needs a few "winners"...ya know; no first or second place...no need to learn how to compete...just let daddy whine to coaches and who ever will listen as to why little johnny didn't get this or qualify for that.
No whining here, my son is doing just fine, thank you. I just don't feel the need to brag about him. I am only appreciative of his acomplishments. It's people like you that give youth sports a neagtive label. Ruin it for others. Not every kid will get recruited, that doesn't mean they didn't work hard. Some of my sons friends work their tails off and still will probably not get to play in college. That does not mean they are lazy.Did you know that some of the most promising recruits hardly see the field in college? It's not because the kid is not trying, it's just that there are so many great players. What if that happens to your son? and it most certainly could. You are really unbelievable with your superiority complex. So angry and insecure, wierd!
Pardon the interruption...for those who experienced Brine. Who coaches the teams at the summer camp? Dont need names, just HS coaches, College, or?? Do they keep that coach the entire camp? Did they practice (with that coach or someone else?) as a team before attending the camp in the summer? Thanks
Please consult with Brine or their web site for your answers. As the Brine director opted not to partner with BOTC for this year's event, we have provided this event with more than enough air time to have questions answered to this obviously flawed event.
BOTC wanted to be part of the process on behalf of Long Islanders and regional players to shed some light on the overall process however the Brine director chose to go in another direction.
Now, it is time for the Brine folks to be the direct recipients of your questions.
Pardon the interruption...for those who experienced Brine. Who coaches the teams at the summer camp? Dont need names, just HS coaches, College, or?? Do they keep that coach the entire camp? Did they practice (with that coach or someone else?) as a team before attending the camp in the summer? Thanks
Please consult with Brine or their web site for your answers. As the Brine director opted not to partner with BOTC for this year's event, we have provided this event with more than enough air time to have questions answered to this obviously flawed event.
BOTC wanted to be part of the process on behalf of Long Islanders and regional players to shed some light on the overall process however the Brine director chose to go in another direction.
Now, it is time for the Brine folks to be the direct recipients of your questions.
Got it, understood
I watched a very good show on HBO it was titled State of Play Trophy Kids. Suggest all watch it. Bench warmers and superstars. It was a real eye opener .
Pardon the interruption...for those who experienced Brine. Who coaches the teams at the summer camp? Dont need names, just HS coaches, College, or?? Do they keep that coach the entire camp? Did they practice (with that coach or someone else?) as a team before attending the camp in the summer? Thanks
I assume you are asking about the Brine nationals, let me try and answer for you
the Academy (Middle School) is coached by a college coach, the last few years I believe it has been Yale asst. Graham Niemi,teams are not allowed to practice until they arrive at the tournament, they have a skill position practice and a team practice run by college coaches before the tournament starts, the high school event is basically the same but is coached by High School coaches
Couple of thoughts on the early recruting stuff:
1) Congrats to the kids who have committed, great opportunity
2) Not being negative or judging, just a fact that a signifcant percentage of 2017s who have committed (not all) are at least a year older -- 14/just turned 15 which is the "normal" age. Physical maturity and mental maturity matters and 1+ years makes a big difference at this age.
3) Many college coaches have told me and others that at this early point for 2017s it is often the parents pushing hard to commit, not the school. Doesn't mean the school won't take the commit if interested in the kid for fear of losing them, but they would rather wait until summer or next year so the kid is as sure as possible of their commitment and the coaches can see kids play more over the spring, summer and mayve next Fall
4) Many very talented kids - including many of the most talented - are targeting Ivy League, Patriot League, or the Georgetowns of the world which with one exception from Buckenll, have taken no 2017 commitments at this point as their timeline is typically longer and grades matter a ton. They are typically not "early recruting" schools unlike UNC, Michigan, Johns Hopkins, Maryland, Virgina, Penn State, and Ohio State.
It is a mix of high school, college and college assistants. one coach per team, teams divided into 4 bracket, teams practice with a team from different bracket. 4 games, 3 in bracket, one out of bracket, championship and consolation games the last day. check in sunday afternoon, finish wednesday early afternoon at the latest.
Pardon the interruption...for those who experienced Brine. Who coaches the teams at the summer camp? Dont need names, just HS coaches, College, or?? Do they keep that coach the entire camp? Did they practice (with that coach or someone else?) as a team before attending the camp in the summer? Thanks
I assume you are asking about the Brine nationals, let me try and answer for you
the Academy (Middle School) is coached by a college coach, the last few years I believe it has been Yale asst. Graham Niemi,teams are not allowed to practice until they arrive at the tournament, they have a skill position practice and a team practice run by college coaches before the tournament starts, the high school event is basically the same but is coached by High School coaches
Couple of thoughts on the early recruting stuff:
1) Congrats to the kids who have committed, great opportunity
2) Not being negative or judging, just a fact that a signifcant percentage of 2017s who have committed (not all) are at least a year older -- 14/just turned 15 which is the "normal" age. Physical maturity and mental maturity matters and 1+ years makes a big difference at this age.
3) Many college coaches have told me and others that at this early point for 2017s it is often the parents pushing hard to commit, not the school. Doesn't mean the school won't take the commit if interested in the kid for fear of losing them, but they would rather wait until summer or next year so the kid is as sure as possible of their commitment and the coaches can see kids play more over the spring, summer and mayve next Fall
4) Many very talented kids - including many of the most talented - are targeting Ivy League, Patriot League, or the Georgetowns of the world which with one exception from Buckenll, have taken no 2017 commitments at this point as their timeline is typically longer and grades matter a ton. They are typically not "early recruting" schools unlike UNC, Michigan, Johns Hopkins, Maryland, Virgina, Penn State, and Ohio State.
On LI, the "normal" age for current freshman is 14 until Dec 1 after which they turn 15. So I can't blame anyone for repeating their child when they would've entered high school as a 13 year old (flash forward a 17 yr old college freshman) if they have a 4th quarter bday.
I love reading you guys whine about this age thing, which is completely a nonissue.
I will enjoy seeing my 2017 son pummel your teams. My son, by the way, is a 19 year old freshman. Deal with it.
Yea I understand my son is a 42 Year Old Freshman. Oh no that's me.
Couple of thoughts on the early recruting stuff:
1) Congrats to the kids who have committed, great opportunity
2) Not being negative or judging, just a fact that a signifcant percentage of 2017s who have committed (not all) are at least a year older -- 14/just turned 15 which is the "normal" age. Physical maturity and mental maturity matters and 1+ years makes a big difference at this age.
3) Many college coaches have told me and others that at this early point for 2017s it is often the parents pushing hard to commit, not the school. Doesn't mean the school won't take the commit if interested in the kid for fear of losing them, but they would rather wait until summer or next year so the kid is as sure as possible of their commitment and the coaches can see kids play more over the spring, summer and mayve next Fall
4) Many very talented kids - including many of the most talented - are targeting Ivy League, Patriot League, or the Georgetowns of the world which with one exception from Buckenll, have taken no 2017 commitments at this point as their timeline is typically longer and grades matter a ton. They are typically not "early recruting" schools unlike UNC, Michigan, Johns Hopkins, Maryland, Virgina, Penn State, and Ohio State.
Don't kid yourself, Ivy, Patriot and Georgetowns of the world are well on their way with the 2016 commits and they are in the hunt for the 2017's as well.
Couple of thoughts on the early recruting stuff:
1) Congrats to the kids who have committed, great opportunity
2) Not being negative or judging, just a fact that a signifcant percentage of 2017s who have committed (not all) are at least a year older -- 14/just turned 15 which is the "normal" age. Physical maturity and mental maturity matters and 1+ years makes a big difference at this age.
3) Many college coaches have told me and others that at this early point for 2017s it is often the parents pushing hard to commit, not the school. Doesn't mean the school won't take the commit if interested in the kid for fear of losing them, but they would rather wait until summer or next year so the kid is as sure as possible of their commitment and the coaches can see kids play more over the spring, summer and mayve next Fall
4) Many very talented kids - including many of the most talented - are targeting Ivy League, Patriot League, or the Georgetowns of the world which with one exception from Buckenll, have taken no 2017 commitments at this point as their timeline is typically longer and grades matter a ton. They are typically not "early recruting" schools unlike UNC, Michigan, Johns Hopkins, Maryland, Virgina, Penn State, and Ohio State.
Don't kid yourself, Ivy, Patriot and Georgetowns of the world are well on their way with the 2016 commits and they are in the hunt for the 2017's as well.
Not kidding myself. The # of 2016 commits from the schools outlined above are not huge yet (check Inside Lacrosse) but obviously there are several and classes will largely be filled by the summer for many of these schools for 2016s. For 2017s, yes there is activity in terms of reaching out to kids and expressing interest, but it will likely take the next 2 years for the 2017 classes to be largely filled, most heavily next year.
From Ty Zanders (Inside Lacrosse) twitter today:
Spoke w/ Dom Starsia on early recruiting: "It's embarrassing to be on the sidelines watching 9th graders... We're at a point of crisis."
Couple of thoughts on the early recruting stuff:
1) Congrats to the kids who have committed, great opportunity
2) Not being negative or judging, just a fact that a signifcant percentage of 2017s who have committed (not all) are at least a year older -- 14/just turned 15 which is the "normal" age. Physical maturity and mental maturity matters and 1+ years makes a big difference at this age.
3) Many college coaches have told me and others that at this early point for 2017s it is often the parents pushing hard to commit, not the school. Doesn't mean the school won't take the commit if interested in the kid for fear of losing them, but they would rather wait until summer or next year so the kid is as sure as possible of their commitment and the coaches can see kids play more over the spring, summer and mayve next Fall
4) Many very talented kids - including many of the most talented - are targeting Ivy League, Patriot League, or the Georgetowns of the world which with one exception from Buckenll, have taken no 2017 commitments at this point as their timeline is typically longer and grades matter a ton. They are typically not "early recruting" schools unlike UNC, Michigan, Johns Hopkins, Maryland, Virgina, Penn State, and Ohio State.
Don't kid yourself, Ivy, Patriot and Georgetowns of the world are well on their way with the 2016 commits and they are in the hunt for the 2017's as well.
Not kidding myself. The # of 2016 commits from the schools outlined above are not huge yet (check Inside Lacrosse) but obviously there are several and classes will largely be filled by the summer for many of these schools for 2016s. For 2017s, yes there is activity in terms of reaching out to kids and expressing interest, but it will likely take the next 2 years for the 2017 classes to be largely filled, most heavily next year.
From Ty Zanders (Inside Lacrosse) twitter today:
Spoke w/ Dom Starsia on early recruiting: "It's embarrassing to be on the sidelines watching 9th graders... We're at a point of crisis."
I do not listen to what they say, I watch what they do. They might stop with the early "public" verbals but they will not stop trying to identify talent in the 9th and 10th grade. The Schools you mention are no different, they have less "verbals" but they are out there doing the same thing. One reason they might have fewer committed 10th graders is that the other schools are more appealing to more student athletes.
The "early verbals" might go away but the recruiting will not.
Couple of thoughts on the early recruting stuff:
1) Congrats to the kids who have committed, great opportunity
2) Not being negative or judging, just a fact that a signifcant percentage of 2017s who have committed (not all) are at least a year older -- 14/just turned 15 which is the "normal" age. Physical maturity and mental maturity matters and 1+ years makes a big difference at this age.
3) Many college coaches have told me and others that at this early point for 2017s it is often the parents pushing hard to commit, not the school. Doesn't mean the school won't take the commit if interested in the kid for fear of losing them, but they would rather wait until summer or next year so the kid is as sure as possible of their commitment and the coaches can see kids play more over the spring, summer and mayve next Fall
4) Many very talented kids - including many of the most talented - are targeting Ivy League, Patriot League, or the Georgetowns of the world which with one exception from Buckenll, have taken no 2017 commitments at this point as their timeline is typically longer and grades matter a ton. They are typically not "early recruting" schools unlike UNC, Michigan, Johns Hopkins, Maryland, Virgina, Penn State, and Ohio State.
Don't kid yourself, Ivy, Patriot and Georgetowns of the world are well on their way with the 2016 commits and they are in the hunt for the 2017's as well.
Not kidding myself. The # of 2016 commits from the schools outlined above are not huge yet (check Inside Lacrosse) but obviously there are several and classes will largely be filled by the summer for many of these schools for 2016s. For 2017s, yes there is activity in terms of reaching out to kids and expressing interest, but it will likely take the next 2 years for the 2017 classes to be largely filled, most heavily next year.
From Ty Zanders (Inside Lacrosse) twitter today:
Spoke w/ Dom Starsia on early recruiting: "It's embarrassing to be on the sidelines watching 9th graders... We're at a point of crisis."
I do not listen to what they say, I watch what they do. They might stop with the early "public" verbals but they will not stop trying to identify talent in the 9th and 10th grade. The Schools you mention are no different, they have less "verbals" but they are out there doing the same thing. One reason they might have fewer committed 10th graders is that the other schools are more appealing to more student athletes.
The "early verbals" might go away but the recruiting will not.
Generally agree with what you say. Also agree the Ivys by definition have a smaller pool of kids who can play there because of academic index requirements.
BTW - another 2017 committed today to UVA per Ty Zanders twitter. He is a 2017 but re-classified as he was on 2016 MadLax team last year. Not complaining, just the facts.
Couple of thoughts on the early recruting stuff:
1) Congrats to the kids who have committed, great opportunity
2) Not being negative or judging, just a fact that a signifcant percentage of 2017s who have committed (not all) are at least a year older -- 14/just turned 15 which is the "normal" age. Physical maturity and mental maturity matters and 1+ years makes a big difference at this age.
3) Many college coaches have told me and others that at this early point for 2017s it is often the parents pushing hard to commit, not the school. Doesn't mean the school won't take the commit if interested in the kid for fear of losing them, but they would rather wait until summer or next year so the kid is as sure as possible of their commitment and the coaches can see kids play more over the spring, summer and mayve next Fall
4) Many very talented kids - including many of the most talented - are targeting Ivy League, Patriot League, or the Georgetowns of the world which with one exception from Buckenll, have taken no 2017 commitments at this point as their timeline is typically longer and grades matter a ton. They are typically not "early recruting" schools unlike UNC, Michigan, Johns Hopkins, Maryland, Virgina, Penn State, and Ohio State.
Don't kid yourself, Ivy, Patriot and Georgetowns of the world are well on their way with the 2016 commits and they are in the hunt for the 2017's as well.
Not kidding myself. The # of 2016 commits from the schools outlined above are not huge yet (check Inside Lacrosse) but obviously there are several and classes will largely be filled by the summer for many of these schools for 2016s. For 2017s, yes there is activity in terms of reaching out to kids and expressing interest, but it will likely take the next 2 years for the 2017 classes to be largely filled, most heavily next year.
From Ty Zanders (Inside Lacrosse) twitter today:
Spoke w/ Dom Starsia on early recruiting: "It's embarrassing to be on the sidelines watching 9th graders... We're at a point of crisis."
I do not listen to what they say, I watch what they do. They might stop with the early "public" verbals but they will not stop trying to identify talent in the 9th and 10th grade. The Schools you mention are no different, they have less "verbals" but they are out there doing the same thing. One reason they might have fewer committed 10th graders is that the other schools are more appealing to more student athletes.
The "early verbals" might go away but the recruiting will not.
Generally agree with what you say. Also agree the Ivys by definition have a smaller pool of kids who can play there because of academic index requirements.
BTW - another 2017 committed today to UVA per Ty Zanders twitter. He is a 2017 but re-classified as he was on 2016 MadLax team last year. Not complaining, just the facts.
Go ahead complain, another cheater taking the spot of 2017 cause he wasn't good enough to impress in 2016. Went from good to great by playing against little kids. Just the simple facts. don't be afraid to say it like it is.
From Ty Zanders (Inside Lacrosse) twitter today:
Spoke w/ Dom Starsia on early recruiting: "It's embarrassing to be on the sidelines watching 9th graders... We're at a point of crisis."
I do not listen to what they say, I watch what they do. They might stop with the early "public" verbals but they will not stop trying to identify talent in the 9th and 10th grade. The Schools you mention are no different, they have less "verbals" but they are out there doing the same thing. One reason they might have fewer committed 10th graders is that the other schools are more appealing to more student athletes.
The "early verbals" might go away but the recruiting will not.
Generally agree with what you say. Also agree the Ivys by definition have a smaller pool of kids who can play there because of academic index requirements.
BTW - another 2017 committed today to UVA per Ty Zanders twitter. He is a 2017 but re-classified as he was on 2016 MadLax team last year. Not complaining, just the facts.
Yup - here's the roster from last year.
http://209.183.230.9/index.cfm?action=pages&p=87Another UVA verbal was on that team as well, but he's listed as a 2017.
This kid is good...VLC kid, can compete among the best at either age group.
And by the way, this was the young man at the heart of the MadLax email issue
And by the way, this was the young man at the heart of the MadLax email issue
Poetic justice for Cabell.
I love reading you guys whine about this age thing, which is completely a nonissue.
I will enjoy seeing my 2017 son pummel your teams. My son, by the way, is a 19 year old freshman. Deal with it.
Post of the year! hahahahaha
luv it!!
And by the way, this was the young man at the heart of the MadLax email issue
Poetic justice for Cabell.
Interesting that hold-back parents are in the middle of the MadLax fiasco. Cabell is to blame for his own actions, but maybe there is a reason these people "find each other" in life.
I love reading you guys whine about this age thing, which is completely a nonissue.
I will enjoy seeing my 2017 son pummel your teams. My son, by the way, is a 19 year old freshman. Deal with it.
THAT WAS THE GREATEST POST IN THE HISTORY OF LACROSSE. DEAL WITH IT!!!!!!!
St. Anthony’s freshman LSM/defenseman Tyler Senerchia has "verballed" to play at Bucknell University.
Tyler Senerchia
High School: St. Anthony’s High School
Graduation Year: 2017
Position: LSM/DEF
College Choice: Bucknell University
Club Affiliation: Long Island Express
Selected Lacrosse Honors : All-Star teams, Camps, Showcases: Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip; National Invitational 175; Yale Bulldog 120; Bucknell Bison Brawl All-Star; Terrapin Classic; Philly Freshman Showcase Fab 40 All-Star
I love reading you guys whine about this age thing, which is completely a nonissue.
I will enjoy seeing my 2017 son pummel your teams. My son, by the way, is a 19 year old freshman. Deal with it.
THAT WAS THE GREATEST POST IN THE HISTORY OF LACROSSE. DEAL WITH IT!!!!!!!
Question. How does one hold back or otherwise reclassify their son after he's already started 9th grade? My son's school would never allow it. They would claim they are not lacrosse incubators. Is it too late?
Couple of thoughts on the early recruting stuff:
1) Congrats to the kids who have committed, great opportunity
2) Not being negative or judging, just a fact that a signifcant percentage of 2017s who have committed (not all) are at least a year older -- 14/just turned 15 which is the "normal" age. Physical maturity and mental maturity matters and 1+ years makes a big difference at this age.
3) Many college coaches have told me and others that at this early point for 2017s it is often the parents pushing hard to commit, not the school. Doesn't mean the school won't take the commit if interested in the kid for fear of losing them, but they would rather wait until summer or next year so the kid is as sure as possible of their commitment and the coaches can see kids play more over the spring, summer and mayve next Fall
4) Many very talented kids - including many of the most talented - are targeting Ivy League, Patriot League, or the Georgetowns of the world which with one exception from Buckenll, have taken no 2017 commitments at this point as their timeline is typically longer and grades matter a ton. They are typically not "early recruting" schools unlike UNC, Michigan, Johns Hopkins, Maryland, Virgina, Penn State, and Ohio State.
Don't kid yourself, Ivy, Patriot and Georgetowns of the world are well on their way with the 2016 commits and they are in the hunt for the 2017's as well.
Not kidding myself. The # of 2016 commits from the schools outlined above are not huge yet (check Inside Lacrosse) but obviously there are several and classes will largely be filled by the summer for many of these schools for 2016s. For 2017s, yes there is activity in terms of reaching out to kids and expressing interest, but it will likely take the next 2 years for the 2017 classes to be largely filled, most heavily next year.
From Ty Zanders (Inside Lacrosse) twitter today:
Spoke w/ Dom Starsia on early recruiting: "It's embarrassing to be on the sidelines watching 9th graders... We're at a point of crisis."
I do not listen to what they say, I watch what they do. They might stop with the early "public" verbals but they will not stop trying to identify talent in the 9th and 10th grade. The Schools you mention are no different, they have less "verbals" but they are out there doing the same thing. One reason they might have fewer committed 10th graders is that the other schools are more appealing to more student athletes.
The "early verbals" might go away but the recruiting will not.
Generally agree with what you say. Also agree the Ivys by definition have a smaller pool of kids who can play there because of academic index requirements.
BTW - another 2017 committed today to UVA per Ty Zanders twitter. He is a 2017 but re-classified as he was on 2016 MadLax team last year. Not complaining, just the facts.
Go ahead complain, another cheater taking the spot of 2017 cause he wasn't good enough to impress in 2016. Went from good to great by playing against little kids. Just the simple facts. don't be afraid to say it like it is.
UVA coach saying what he said today is so typical of so many of these D1 coaches with this 2017 drama, hypocritical. He has more 2017's committed than all of them, what a joke.
Question. How does one hold back or otherwise reclassify their son after he's already started 9th grade? My son's school would never allow it. They would claim they are not lacrosse incubators. Is it too late?
Go private.
I am a parent of a 2017 player, and I am as disgusted frustrated as many others on this early recruiting process. Lacrosse is an expensive sport, and club dues for most of us run $2K to $5K per annum before any apparel or travel expenses to tournaments. I have heard some horror stories of club does running over $10K a year and really have no idea if that is true...maybe another poster could take that one. Add a private school tuition and it is a lot more. It should be sufficient to play for a good club and play competitive high school.
I am impressed and a bit jealous that on LI you have so many top flight public school teams and a very competitive league unlike anywhere else for public schools.
But everyone has the additional problem of too much is never enough with the showcases. As a parent, I could easily fill a dozen weekends with camps and showcases and club owners and coaches are tied to encouraging this to the kids to get noticed. A dozen more things at another $400 to $700 for 1.5 to 3 days of lacrosse to get noticed. If your kid is a Turtle or an LI Express or a Crab, is this really needed? Just me asking if there is anything empirical to validate the showcase business model. For a California kid, I get it that they would flock to these constantly. Is it worth it for a LI or MIAA school kid do that?
I took our son to our first two "prospect" days at universities in the recent weeks and have to say this does it for me without anyone's advice. For $200 or so a try, you can go to a school you are targeting for prospect day and at that day there will be a range of coaches from other schools that are D1 non power ranked to D3. That makes sense to me that the NCAA coaches know that a coach from a D3 school is not taking dinner bread from a UVa or a UPenn, so let the kids perform all day long in front of the audience they and the families want with the full attention of the coaches all day long. We have all been at showcases where the coaches have no choice but to move their lawn chairs around at each halftime to see every team or player, and then it becomes a sordid lottery whether or not your kid is on the field or is in a competitive game when the coaches they want to impress are watching. At one Fall tournament my son's team went up 6-0 quickly and the coaches filed out quickly and that is understandable...hard to evaluate kids beating up on a lesser team.
I think these prospect days are a big game changer. Already we have been in touch with two of our top choices and the coaches have each corresponded with us directly about the recruiting process. That is more than we had three weeks ago waiting on the club owner to arbitrate what players he wanted to showcase which sadly involves a lot of politics and nonsense that fills this thread up with repeat complaints. Long live prospect days.
I am a parent of a 2017 player, and I am as disgusted frustrated as many others on this early recruiting process. Lacrosse is an expensive sport, and club dues for most of us run $2K to $5K per annum before any apparel or travel expenses to tournaments. I have heard some horror stories of club does running over $10K a year and really have no idea if that is true...maybe another poster could take that one. Add a private school tuition and it is a lot more. It should be sufficient to play for a good club and play competitive high school.
I am impressed and a bit jealous that on LI you have so many top flight public school teams and a very competitive league unlike anywhere else for public schools.
But everyone has the additional problem of too much is never enough with the showcases. As a parent, I could easily fill a dozen weekends with camps and showcases and club owners and coaches are tied to encouraging this to the kids to get noticed. A dozen more things at another $400 to $700 for 1.5 to 3 days of lacrosse to get noticed. If your kid is a Turtle or an LI Express or a Crab, is this really needed? Just me asking if there is anything empirical to validate the showcase business model. For a California kid, I get it that they would flock to these constantly. Is it worth it for a LI or MIAA school kid do that?
I took our son to our first two "prospect" days at universities in the recent weeks and have to say this does it for me without anyone's advice. For $200 or so a try, you can go to a school you are targeting for prospect day and at that day there will be a range of coaches from other schools that are D1 non power ranked to D3. That makes sense to me that the NCAA coaches know that a coach from a D3 school is not taking dinner bread from a UVa or a UPenn, so let the kids perform all day long in front of the audience they and the families want with the full attention of the coaches all day long. We have all been at showcases where the coaches have no choice but to move their lawn chairs around at each halftime to see every team or player, and then it becomes a sordid lottery whether or not your kid is on the field or is in a competitive game when the coaches they want to impress are watching. At one Fall tournament my son's team went up 6-0 quickly and the coaches filed out quickly and that is understandable...hard to evaluate kids beating up on a lesser team.
I think these prospect days are a big game changer. Already we have been in touch with two of our top choices and the coaches have each corresponded with us directly about the recruiting process. That is more than we had three weeks ago waiting on the club owner to arbitrate what players he wanted to showcase which sadly involves a lot of politics and nonsense that fills this thread up with repeat complaints. Long live prospect days.
Excellent post and something that should be cross-posted onto the college forum. BOTC agrees with your assertion that a year of private High School, combined with the costs of a full season of lacrosse and travel can certainly be in the $20,000-$25,000 range which begs the question : exactly how much scholarship money do you actually expect lacrosse to deliver for you?
Your last paragraph is extremely compelling. Lacrosse parents are now finding out what soccer parents discovered a decade back. Parents can actually control their child's recruiting cycle with carefully planning showcase days and targeting those college prospect days where they know that their student-athlete's target coaches are in attendance. While team showcasing will always have value, the fact is that parents should no longer be depending on the club coach to determine the trajectory of their child's recruiting arc.
Again, thank you for the contribution.
I am a parent of a 2017 player, and I am as disgusted frustrated as many others on this early recruiting process. Lacrosse is an expensive sport, and club dues for most of us run $2K to $5K per annum before any apparel or travel expenses to tournaments. I have heard some horror stories of club does running over $10K a year and really have no idea if that is true...maybe another poster could take that one. Add a private school tuition and it is a lot more. It should be sufficient to play for a good club and play competitive high school.
I am impressed and a bit jealous that on LI you have so many top flight public school teams and a very competitive league unlike anywhere else for public schools.
But everyone has the additional problem of too much is never enough with the showcases. As a parent, I could easily fill a dozen weekends with camps and showcases and club owners and coaches are tied to encouraging this to the kids to get noticed. A dozen more things at another $400 to $700 for 1.5 to 3 days of lacrosse to get noticed. If your kid is a Turtle or an LI Express or a Crab, is this really needed? Just me asking if there is anything empirical to validate the showcase business model. For a California kid, I get it that they would flock to these constantly. Is it worth it for a LI or MIAA school kid do that?
I took our son to our first two "prospect" days at universities in the recent weeks and have to say this does it for me without anyone's advice. For $200 or so a try, you can go to a school you are targeting for prospect day and at that day there will be a range of coaches from other schools that are D1 non power ranked to D3. That makes sense to me that the NCAA coaches know that a coach from a D3 school is not taking dinner bread from a UVa or a UPenn, so let the kids perform all day long in front of the audience they and the families want with the full attention of the coaches all day long. We have all been at showcases where the coaches have no choice but to move their lawn chairs around at each halftime to see every team or player, and then it becomes a sordid lottery whether or not your kid is on the field or is in a competitive game when the coaches they want to impress are watching. At one Fall tournament my son's team went up 6-0 quickly and the coaches filed out quickly and that is understandable...hard to evaluate kids beating up on a lesser team.
I think these prospect days are a big game changer. Already we have been in touch with two of our top choices and the coaches have each corresponded with us directly about the recruiting process. That is more than we had three weeks ago waiting on the club owner to arbitrate what players he wanted to showcase which sadly involves a lot of politics and nonsense that fills this thread up with repeat complaints. Long live prospect days.
Excellent post and something that should be cross-posted onto the college forum. BOTC agrees with your assertion that a year of private High School, combined with the costs of a full season of lacrosse and travel can certainly be in the $20,000-$25,000 range which begs the question : exactly how much scholarship money do you actually expect lacrosse to deliver for you?
Your last paragraph is extremely compelling. Lacrosse parents are now finding out what soccer parents discovered a decade back. Parents can actually control their child's recruiting cycle with carefully planning showcase days and targeting those college prospect days where they know that their student-athlete's target coaches are in attendance. While team showcasing will always have value, the fact is that parents should no longer be depending on the club coach to determine the trajectory of their child's recruiting arc.
Again, thank you for the contribution.
Agree, great post. My 2017 son has done 4 prospect days and has a few more scheduled at schools of interest. While typically a positive experience, I will say they really range in terms of personalization/effectiveness. One he went to had 60 kids and the coach knew every kid's name and where they were from. He spoke to them and called them by their first names. Another had 200 kids and watched the kids play two 15 minute games each as their evaluation. Also, this is a key way for the assistant coaches to supplement their generally low salaries, so be aware of that. Nonetheless, prospect days are a great way to see if you child really likes a particular school and get to know the coaches on an individualed basis much better.
Thank you Sage. I hope to see this thread be a forum for lacrosse parents to download data and make some sense of the landscape for each other. Club owner bashing is funny and popular, but not useful information. I don't know much but learned a lot in the recent weeks and wish someone had told me earlier. I went to one November Baltimore area showcase that I and many other parents concluded was a complete waste of time and money. And that is infuriating to drop $600+ into the till to stand there in 30 degree weather wishing you were somewhere else behind coaches who were wishing they were anywhere else too based on the body language.
For the low cost of $200 you can learn all you need to know about where you stand by going to a prospect day. There will be a lot of great players there and there won't be any club politicians there doing the work for the kids THEY want noticed. You can play or you can't. Yes, a lot of the players who are hyped by major clubs are great players, but some of them are not. And then there are kids from New Hampshire or something like that who are great players who I would guess would be at risk to not have the opportunity to be otherwise noticed while playing among great players. I am sure that every 2017 lacrosse parent could likely tell a line about how some kid on their team got an appointment to Jake Reed, and he is very average but his family is an ATM machine to the club owner or there are private school biases on that club, etc.
If lacrosse is going to be a "real sport", and I don't think it is yet insofar as the maturity of the sport development on the business side of things, a 6'1 190 pound 14 year old lacrosse man-child from Texas or Chicago should be evaluated next to the MIAA kid whose father played at XYZ back in the day. Maybe in the end I won't like the results for my kid on a level playing field, but I like seeing and believing the playing field can be level. At least I have a reality check on what level of D1 my son is a candidate for, and what to expect in terms of timing and commitment if he indeed passes through their process. Obviously not every family can showcase their kids for $10,000 and up a year, but they should not have to.
I know some families who are almost going the complete other way and almost focusing entirely on prospect days of targeted schools and a showcase or two. Most of that crowd has the luxury of playing on high school teams which have some sort of cache to help get them into the semi-competitive showcases to broaden their exposure.
The other question is how much exposure?
14 and 15 year kids are not men, and I've seen it with my own son and they just can't always flip that switch and perform. That's what kids do. We were at a big tournament in Maryland this fall and had quite a few coaches watching the 2017 team. So many in fact that we were all really surprised.
Over the course of six games if you had seen my kid in three of them you would have said where I can sign him up, two of them were, ok this kid is good we want to see more, and the other game you would have said wth is the big deal.
I think my son has had the opportunity to play with or against all but one of the early announced 2017 commits, and I would say the same thing about most or all of them., and that is the problem or dilemma as I see it with doing too many or even any of the prospect days as a 2017. We have been politely begging off since it requires us to do a lot of traveling.
Our approach has been to put together a really solid video from the fall, fortunately when coaches were watching his games this fall he played well enough to wet their appetite, and then try to be smart about his rising sophomore summer about how much he plays. It is just too hard for guys this age, with the rare exception, to just be on all of the time.
All it takes is one so so game in front of a target coach and you are done. Sometimes less is more, and while you have to play the exposure game it is a pretty tricky tight wire to walk sometimes.
Our approach has been to put together a really solid video from the fall, fortunately when coaches were watching his games this fall he played well enough to wet their appetite, and then try to be smart about his rising sophomore summer about how much he plays. It is just too hard for guys this age, with the rare exception, to just be on all of the time.
A word of caution regarding highlight reels : Coaches want to see the player away from the ball as much as with the offensive or defensive attack. Highlight reels rarely can give any college coach a sense of a player's range on the field. Second, be sure to use the available technology for posting clips including You Tube. Do not include any clips in excess of two minutes. After all, how many times do you actually sit and watch a full 120 second clip?
Lastly, a word on expectation setting for videos : I remember visiting a coach's office at Yale University and was shocked at the volume of video tapes, DVDs, CDs, and other media that was strewn all around the office. The place looked like a seedy Hollywood agent's office from the 1950s. One of the tapes on the conference table was four years old, never opened. and covered with dust - no joke.
You have to make it exceptionally easy for a college coach to get to the meat of the content. Any inconvenience will just represent a hurdle and most coaches will not make the effort to view physical media any longer.
Absolutely agree - video is not a replacement for being seen in person by the coaches, but at least in our experience so far that has been the tool to get the coaches to the field to watch the games, and when his video has been watched by most of this target schools which in most cases seemed to be the first step in the dance.
Also, if you happen to have an organization or coach who is effective in the social media space that can be huge. Our club director tweeted a composite tape of our attack and it got several hundred views, and out of the blue all of them were getting emails from schools who had never seen them play in person.
I know some families who are almost going the complete other way and almost focusing entirely on prospect days of targeted schools and a showcase or two. Most of that crowd has the luxury of playing on high school teams which have some sort of cache to help get them into the semi-competitive showcases to broaden their exposure.
The other question is how much exposure?
14 and 15 year kids are not men, and I've seen it with my own son and they just can't always flip that switch and perform. That's what kids do. We were at a big tournament in Maryland this fall and had quite a few coaches watching the 2017 team. So many in fact that we were all really surprised.
Over the course of six games if you had seen my kid in three of them you would have said where I can sign him up, two of them were, ok this kid is good we want to see more, and the other game you would have said wth is the big deal.
I think my son has had the opportunity to play with or against all but one of the early announced 2017 commits, and I would say the same thing about most or all of them., and that is the problem or dilemma as I see it with doing too many or even any of the prospect days as a 2017. We have been politely begging off since it requires us to do a lot of traveling.
Our approach has been to put together a really solid video from the fall, fortunately when coaches were watching his games this fall he played well enough to wet their appetite, and then try to be smart about his rising sophomore summer about how much he plays. It is just too hard for guys this age, with the rare exception, to just be on all of the time.
All it takes is one so so game in front of a target coach and you are done. Sometimes less is more, and while you have to play the exposure game it is a pretty tricky tight wire to walk sometimes.
Interesting post. My son's club coach has told him to stay away from the prospect camps as they are make or break situations.
"All it takes is one so so game in front of a target coach and you are done. Sometimes less is more, and while you have to play the exposure game it is a pretty tricky tight wire to walk sometimes."
Great comment and moving last point. How can a coach make a determination on a 2 minute video? Reference Sage's earlier post this morning about happening on a D1 school with un-opened videos years old. You can clip together 10 goals scored, 10 nice stick checks or 10 goalie saves for any 2017 player. As Sage noted, coaches want to see you play lacrosse and move without the ball. Every team has an end of play lefty attackman who can catch a ball open 5 yards out and put it in the net. Why was he open? Was it his lacrosse IQ or can he stand there all day open because he is playing against a weak defense?
I was told to let a camera run on my son at a prospect day, and then find 2 or at most 3 less than one minute sequences showing him playing a developed play against good competition. Does that seem like a logical better route? I concur with Sage that doing a 6 minute music video is asking a lot for a 50 year old college coach to labor through on mute.
I also concur there is no substitute for rubber hitting the road at a prospect camp. At one of them a player on my son's team had his best day on a prospect day, and that school now has a very active interest in him. This kid is a goalie and plays for the right club team, but has not gone to the showcases at all. Now it does not look like he will need to.
Interesting post. My son's club coach has told him to stay away from the prospect camps as they are make or break situations.
Let's dispense with the obvious bias arguments. Club coaches have a vested interest in having themselves act as the key negotiation point with college coaches. Allowing prospect camps into the discussion disintermediates the role of both the club and club coach, thereby eroding the stranglehold maintained on the process.
Now, that this has been stated, BOTC will move onto one reason why the advice is correct.
The best way to use a prospect camp is to have actually been seen by the college coach previously and then using the camp to lock down a secure roster spot or establish a continuing relationship. Attending the prospect camps cold can result in your family handing over a check without getting the value-for-money that you are seeking. Attending a prospect camp after an initial coach's viewing and an expression of interest from both sides will be the best way to go.
CageSage - great point about not letting the club coach be the key conduit of information, because that is definitely one of their biggest marketing tools.
As a family you have to take the bull by the horns and if you are waiting for you club coach to be a rainmaker then in most cases you will wind up disappointed.
My real point about prospect days or even one day showcases is if you are going to put yourself out there, just make sure you are ready to be at your best, and pick your spots wisely.
It's funny how even as these coaches are at their conference denouncing early commits, the tweets are rolling in with 2017 committing. What gives??
Ty Xanders ‏@Ty 1h
Hopkins with their first public 2017: Joe Robertson, A, St. Anne's Belfield (Va.) and @TheDukesLC. Put up 74 points last year for Salem HS.
Another reclassified? Played for 2016 dukes?
The trend is clear and will have a profound impact for years to come
Early recruiting will not stop. Look at basketball and football. Kids verbally commit in 7th and 8th grade in those sports. This is validation that lacrosse is growing and is following the same path as other sports.
AAU hoops is very similar to club lax
Club soccer is as well
Lax is just now following in the same footsteps as football, soccer, and basketball.
Of course it's not going to stop. These guys are still going to go after the very best players. They don't want to miss out on losing them to someone else. And as long as some schools are going to play by those rules other schools are going to be forced to do the same thing Otherwise they miss out on the best players. Happens in every other sport includin hockey,football and baseball. These are highly touted players. These guys don't make many mistakes in recruiting this is their job. They are not wrong very often.
Understandably they will always go after the best players as they should.
It's clear the reclassified kids have been very successful signing early with great programs. Its only a matter of time before this trend combined with how lax parents are motivated by fear completely change the landscape and it will become the norm.
This is just an observation, not sour grapes. Its just human nature to follow a successful trend.
Of course it's not going to stop. These guys are still going to go after the very best players. They don't want to miss out on losing them to someone else. And as long as some schools are going to play by those rules other schools are going to be forced to do the same thing Otherwise they miss out on the best players. Happens in every other sport includin hockey,football and baseball. These are highly touted players. These guys don't make many mistakes in recruiting this is their job. They are not wrong very often.
What? They don't make mistakes in recruting? Really? Where are the facts to support that claim? Where is the evidence or aticle showing how kids commiting as freshman or 1/2 year into sophomore year have performed once they reached college? Last time I checked, this early recuritng thing freshman year was a pretty new thing.
have to say that the last few entries on this thread have been the most conducive to feeling part of a society where we can share common interests and ideas.
the insults are really not indicated. its great that some kids are being seen and recruited. hopefully all will eventually get a nod in their favor by a school that interests them.
Besides Will Rock, none of the top DC/MD kids have committed yet. The top players are still on the board. The families who pushed this are committed.
This is not accurate. Rock and Ryan Pride to UVA, Alex Trippi to UNC. All publicized, all reclassed.
Congrats to the boys!
This is not accurate. Rock and Ryan Pride to UVA, Alex Trippi to UNC. All publicized, all reclassed.
Congrats to the boys!
Also J.T. Bugliosi from Calvert Hall/FCA to Ohio State. 15 so far including Trippi today.
This is not accurate. Rock and Ryan Pride to UVA, Alex Trippi to UNC. All publicized, all reclassed.
Congrats to the boys!
I guess I have a hard to time saying congrats - I don't know the facts, but there is a growing, disturbing trend which is the reclassifying game. It sure seems like a twisted arms race of sorts where if you don't chose to play the cards are stacked heavily against you.
This is not accurate. Rock and Ryan Pride to UVA, Alex Trippi to UNC. All publicized, all reclassed.
Congrats to the boys!
I guess I have a hard to time saying congrats - I don't know the facts, but there is a growing, disturbing trend which is the reclassifying game. It sure seems like a twisted arms race of sorts where if you don't chose to play the cards are stacked heavily against you.
Trust me.... We are all very tired of the "reclassified" situation. But let's not judge those who do so in order to help their kids. If i had a child whose only chance to compete against the best of Long island was to "reclassify; then maybe i would see things through their eyes. Cheaters will always be cheaters.
They will do as they must to remain competitive with the true LAX hot bed: Long Island
I personally know there are several (at least 7) LI true 14 yo 2017's who are in the process of choosing just who to commit to and they all understand that there is no race here. Their families understand that the real importance here is helping the players pick the school which will best serve their educational options. Young as they may be; these kids are advanced enough to understand that their budding abilities are going to afford them great opportunities. With their parent's guidance; they will have the schools of choice amongst them which include all of the afore mentioned LAX powerhouse schools as well as IVY academic powerhouses.
Patience is truly a virtue. Long Island will as usual be very well represented across the board amongst all of these fine schools.
And they won't need "reclassification" to do so...
Long Island LAX: No reclassification needed.
christian marshall is a true freshman
Besides Will Rock, none of the top DC/MD kids have committed yet. The top players are still on the board. The families who pushed this are committed.
Two of them are lefty attackmen. The two top lefty attackmen on the VLC team remain on the board. And that is just one position. No Balt Crabs committed and the top VLC players are still on the board. It is very early and the best players from the two top teams are not committed. And that might remain the case for some time because many of them want to at least consider the Ivy League and Duke, neither of which breathes near 9th grade recruiting.
This is not accurate. Rock and Ryan Pride to UVA, Alex Trippi to UNC. All publicized, all reclassed.
Congrats to the boys!
I guess I have a hard to time saying congrats - I don't know the facts, but there is a growing, disturbing trend which is the reclassifying game. It sure seems like a twisted arms race of sorts where if you don't chose to play the cards are stacked heavily against you.
Trust me.... We are all very tired of the "reclassified" situation. But let's not judge those who do so in order to help their kids. If i had a child whose only chance to compete against the best of Long island was to "reclassify; then maybe i would see things through their eyes. Cheaters will always be cheaters.
They will do as they must to remain competitive with the true LAX hot bed: Long Island
I personally know there are several (at least 7) LI true 14 yo 2017's who are in the process of choosing just who to commit to and they all understand that there is no race here. Their families understand that the real importance here is helping the players pick the school which will best serve their educational options. Young as they may be; these kids are advanced enough to understand that their budding abilities are going to afford them great opportunities. With their parent's guidance; they will have the schools of choice amongst them which include all of the afore mentioned LAX powerhouse schools as well as IVY academic powerhouses.
Patience is truly a virtue. Long Island will as usual be very well represented across the board amongst all of these fine schools.
And they won't need "reclassification" to do so...
Long Island LAX: No reclassification needed.
Get a life. If a family decides to reclassify their child, it is pathetic to call that cheating.
God, you guys are total whiners.
They are all cheaters, please name one kid who would have stood out in the summer 2016 Jake Reed camp. The answer is 0
How do you find out when the college prospect days are?
christian marshall is a true freshman
Nice to here. The LSM from St.A's commited to Bucknell in also a true freshman and he is 14 years old.
Besides Will Rock, none of the top DC/MD kids have committed yet. The top players are still on the board. The families who pushed this are committed.
Two of them are lefty attackmen. The two top lefty attackmen on the VLC team remain on the board. And that is just one position. No Balt Crabs committed and the top VLC players are still on the board. It is very early and the best players from the two top teams are not committed. And that might remain the case for some time because many of them want to at least consider the Ivy League and Duke, neither of which breathes near 9th grade recruiting.
Ahem....you'd be surprised if you had a 2017kid going through the "process"; I assure you
This is not accurate. Rock and Ryan Pride to UVA, Alex Trippi to UNC. All publicized, all reclassed.
Congrats to the boys!
I guess I have a hard to time saying congrats - I don't know the facts, but there is a growing, disturbing trend which is the reclassifying game. It sure seems like a twisted arms race of sorts where if you don't chose to play the cards are stacked heavily against you.
Trust me.... We are all very tired of the "reclassified" situation. But let's not judge those who do so in order to help their kids. If i had a child whose only chance to compete against the best of Long island was to "reclassify; then maybe i would see things through their eyes. Cheaters will always be cheaters.
They will do as they must to remain competitive with the true LAX hot bed: Long Island
I personally know there are several (at least 7) LI true 14 yo 2017's who are in the process of choosing just who to commit to and they all understand that there is no race here. Their families understand that the real importance here is helping the players pick the school which will best serve their educational options. Young as they may be; these kids are advanced enough to understand that their budding abilities are going to afford them great opportunities. With their parent's guidance; they will have the schools of choice amongst them which include all of the afore mentioned LAX powerhouse schools as well as IVY academic powerhouses.
Patience is truly a virtue. Long Island will as usual be very well represented across the board amongst all of these fine schools.
And they won't need "reclassification" to do so...
Long Island LAX: No reclassification needed.
Get a life. If a family decides to reclassify their child, it is pathetic to call that cheating.
God, you guys are total whiners.
Touched a nerve there, huh? :-)
Tell us the definition of pathetic, pray tell!!
As they used to say: if the shoe fits; wear it.
Ringers, cheaters, left back, held back, "re-classified " (luv that one)
Call it what ever you want....a cheater is a cheater.
Like father....like son,...way to go cheater dads...show us all how to get ahead with your lesser lax skilled kid using brute size and speed and being older and stronger.
Joe D had it right up here on LI: take the best age appropriate kids and bring them up and down the country and play up and beat everyone to condition the boys for the event of finally facing the CHEATERS; to which the skills of our true 2017's far outshine those of any reclassified CHEATERS...this goes for all Long Island A level teams across the board.
Head to head, one on one, we repeatedly suppress a little smile when we watch our true 2017's whoop up on the RECLASSIFIED CHEATERS.
Them's the facts.......DEAL WITH IT CHEATERS.
Our 2017's will get all and any spots they desire without CHEATING.
Now I have to go help my true 2017 narrow down his commitment choices. (Oops, is he taking away a 2017 spot from a 2016 CHEATER?)....answer: absolutely.
No cheating needed. And no whining here. Just chuckling at the collective blush I can feel from so many insecure dads in Va and Md that held their cheater kids back.
Have a lovely day.
LOL. "Cheaters". You guys in LI sure have an inferiority complex.
This is not accurate. Rock and Ryan Pride to UVA, Alex Trippi to UNC. All publicized, all reclassed.
Congrats to the boys!
I guess I have a hard to time saying congrats - I don't know the facts, but there is a growing, disturbing trend which is the reclassifying game. It sure seems like a twisted arms race of sorts where if you don't chose to play the cards are stacked heavily against you.
Trust me.... We are all very tired of the "reclassified" situation. But let's not judge those who do so in order to help their kids. If i had a child whose only chance to compete against the best of Long island was to "reclassify; then maybe i would see things through their eyes. Cheaters will always be cheaters.
They will do as they must to remain competitive with the true LAX hot bed: Long Island
I personally know there are several (at least 7) LI true 14 yo 2017's who are in the process of choosing just who to commit to and they all understand that there is no race here. Their families understand that the real importance here is helping the players pick the school which will best serve their educational options. Young as they may be; these kids are advanced enough to understand that their budding abilities are going to afford them great opportunities. With their parent's guidance; they will have the schools of choice amongst them which include all of the afore mentioned LAX powerhouse schools as well as IVY academic powerhouses.
Patience is truly a virtue. Long Island will as usual be very well represented across the board amongst all of these fine schools.
And they won't need "reclassification" to do so...
Long Island LAX: No reclassification needed.
Get a life. If a family decides to reclassify their child, it is pathetic to call that cheating.
God, you guys are total whiners.
Touched a nerve there, huh? :-)
Tell us the definition of pathetic, pray tell!!
As they used to say: if the shoe fits; wear it.
Ringers, cheaters, left back, held back, "re-classified " (luv that one)
Call it what ever you want....a cheater is a cheater.
Like father....like son,...way to go cheater dads...show us all how to get ahead with your lesser lax skilled kid using brute size and speed and being older and stronger.
Joe D had it right up here on LI: take the best age appropriate kids and bring them up and down the country and play up and beat everyone to condition the boys for the event of finally facing the CHEATERS; to which the skills of our true 2017's far outshine those of any reclassified CHEATERS...this goes for all Long Island A level teams across the board.
Head to head, one on one, we repeatedly suppress a little smile when we watch our true 2017's whoop up on the RECLASSIFIED CHEATERS.
Them's the facts.......DEAL WITH IT CHEATERS.
Our 2017's will get all and any spots they desire without CHEATING.
Now I have to go help my true 2017 narrow down his commitment choices. (Oops, is he taking away a 2017 spot from a 2016 CHEATER?)....answer: absolutely.
No cheating needed. And no whining here. Just chuckling at the collective blush I can feel from so many insecure dads in Va and Md that held their cheater kids back.
Have a lovely day.
Great points! Only one public LONG ISLAND 2017 D1 commit as of now, and he is 14 years old, not a cheater. There is more to come.
LOL. "Cheaters". You guys in LI sure have an inferiority complex.
The poster is correct! Truth hurts, and YES Im a proud Long Islander. Face it, YOU HELD BACK YOUR KID TO GIVE HIM AN EDGE., because he couldn't STAND OUT in the 2016. Simple.
This is not accurate. Rock and Ryan Pride to UVA, Alex Trippi to UNC. All publicized, all reclassed.
Congrats to the boys!
I guess I have a hard to time saying congrats - I don't know the facts, but there is a growing, disturbing trend which is the reclassifying game. It sure seems like a twisted arms race of sorts where if you don't chose to play the cards are stacked heavily against you.
Trust me.... We are all very tired of the "reclassified" situation. But let's not judge those who do so in order to help their kids. If i had a child whose only chance to compete against the best of Long island was to "reclassify; then maybe i would see things through their eyes. Cheaters will always be cheaters.
They will do as they must to remain competitive with the true LAX hot bed: Long Island
I personally know there are several (at least 7) LI true 14 yo 2017's who are in the process of choosing just who to commit to and they all understand that there is no race here. Their families understand that the real importance here is helping the players pick the school which will best serve their educational options. Young as they may be; these kids are advanced enough to understand that their budding abilities are going to afford them great opportunities. With their parent's guidance; they will have the schools of choice amongst them which include all of the afore mentioned LAX powerhouse schools as well as IVY academic powerhouses.
Patience is truly a virtue. Long Island will as usual be very well represented across the board amongst all of these fine schools.
And they won't need "reclassification" to do so...
Long Island LAX: No reclassification needed.
Get a life. If a family decides to reclassify their child, it is pathetic to call that cheating.
God, you guys are total whiners.
Touched a nerve there, huh? :-)
Tell us the definition of pathetic, pray tell!!
As they used to say: if the shoe fits; wear it.
Ringers, cheaters, left back, held back, "re-classified " (luv that one)
Call it what ever you want....a cheater is a cheater.
Like father....like son,...way to go cheater dads...show us all how to get ahead with your lesser lax skilled kid using brute size and speed and being older and stronger.
Joe D had it right up here on LI: take the best age appropriate kids and bring them up and down the country and play up and beat everyone to condition the boys for the event of finally facing the CHEATERS; to which the skills of our true 2017's far outshine those of any reclassified CHEATERS...this goes for all Long Island A level teams across the board.
Head to head, one on one, we repeatedly suppress a little smile when we watch our true 2017's whoop up on the RECLASSIFIED CHEATERS.
Them's the facts.......DEAL WITH IT CHEATERS.
Our 2017's will get all and any spots they desire without CHEATING.
Now I have to go help my true 2017 narrow down his commitment choices. (Oops, is he taking away a 2017 spot from a 2016 CHEATER?)....answer: absolutely.
No cheating needed. And no whining here. Just chuckling at the collective blush I can feel from so many insecure dads in Va and Md that held their cheater kids back.
Have a lovely day.
Joe D has kindergarten holdbacks on his team
LOL. "Cheaters". You guys in LI sure have an inferiority complex.
You have the geography wrong in this statement.
There's yet to be an ethical justification made for holding back / reclassifying. The only defense made to the cheating comment is "whiners". It's very comical and suggestive of an inferiority complex.
If holding back is not used to gain an athletic advantage (some call it cheating) because of the inherent size and strength gain born out of an inferiority complex, then what is it?
LOL. "Cheaters". You guys in LI sure have an inferiority complex.
The poster is correct! Truth hurts, and YES Im a proud Long Islander. Face it, YOU HELD BACK YOUR KID TO GIVE HIM AN EDGE., because he couldn't STAND OUT in the 2016. Simple.
Wrong. Get a life. When my son's team beats you guys again, I'll be laughing on the sidelines.
LOL. "Cheaters". You guys in LI sure have an inferiority complex.
The poster is correct! Truth hurts, and YES Im a proud Long Islander. Face it, YOU HELD BACK YOUR KID TO GIVE HIM AN EDGE., because he couldn't STAND OUT in the 2016. Simple.
Wrong. Get a life. When my son's team beats you guys again, I'll be laughing on the sidelines.
I think conversation officially over when it comes down to I know you are but what I'm i?!!
So your 2017 player can vote! Good for you. Move on.
(And your not "in" LI , you are "on" Long Island!!
LOL. "Cheaters". You guys in LI sure have an inferiority complex.
The poster is correct! Truth hurts, and YES Im a proud Long Islander. Face it, YOU HELD BACK YOUR KID TO GIVE HIM AN EDGE., because he couldn't STAND OUT in the 2016. Simple.
Wrong. Get a life. When my son's team beats you guys again, I'll be laughing on the sidelines.
is that because by then you'll have made your 2016 son a double reclassified cheater and he will then be in the class of 2018?
Thank you for your thoughtful insight. I believe this was the most helpful bit of info I have received from this site.
Now don't get me wrong, the rants, raves, whining and such are very entertaining.
When is everyone going to realize that none of the nonsense changes what happens on the field and what happens on the field is all that matters.
LOL. "Cheaters". You guys in LI sure have an inferiority complex.
The poster is correct! Truth hurts, and YES Im a proud Long Islander. Face it, YOU HELD BACK YOUR KID TO GIVE HIM AN EDGE., because he couldn't STAND OUT in the 2016. Simple.
Wrong. Get a life. When my son's team beats you guys again, I'll be laughing on the sidelines.
is that because by then you'll have made your 2016 son a double reclassified cheater and he will then be in the class of 2018?
Cage - I am ready to talk baseball rather than read this nonsense anymore. For the love of God, man let's move on!!!
Cage - I am ready to talk baseball rather than read this nonsense anymore. For the love of God, man let's move on!!!
Click on the "Baseball" link to the right in our ribbon bar above and you will be taken to our Back of THE PLATE (
www.backoftheplate.com) web site. Similar format and function to our lacrosse site, but focused on Youth Baseball and Softball.
LOL. "Cheaters". You guys in LI sure have an inferiority complex.
The poster is correct! Truth hurts, and YES Im a proud Long Islander. Face it, YOU HELD BACK YOUR KID TO GIVE HIM AN EDGE., because he couldn't STAND OUT in the 2016. Simple.
Wrong. Get a life. When my son's team beats you guys again, I'll be laughing on the sidelines.
I think these 2017 players are at a point that "team wins" mean NOTHING. If your still banging your chest about that than its obvious your son isn't truly getting recruited at the momnent.
LOL. "Cheaters". You guys in LI sure have an inferiority complex.
The poster is correct! Truth hurts, and YES Im a proud Long Islander. Face it, YOU HELD BACK YOUR KID TO GIVE HIM AN EDGE., because he couldn't STAND OUT in the 2016. Simple.
Wrong. Get a life. When my son's team beats you guys again, I'll be laughing on the sidelines.
I think these 2017 players are at a point that "team wins" mean NOTHING. If your still banging your chest about that than its obvious your son isn't truly getting recruited at the momnent.
Serious question - being recruited, what does it mean? My son has had contact from many schools and been invited to 10+ prospect days, most at schools he is interested in. Coaches have watched his video and viewed his profile, then invited him to their prospect days. But no coach has said we want you to commit. He went to Jake Reed last year and is going again this year + attending Maverick Showcase. His focus is on Ivys and Patriot League schools, who typically want to see some grades first. Are other kids in this situation being asked to commit already at these type schools? Find the whole process confusing and if you let it you could be doing some event every weekend.
LOL. "Cheaters". You guys in LI sure have an inferiority complex.
The poster is correct! Truth hurts, and YES Im a proud Long Islander. Face it, YOU HELD BACK YOUR KID TO GIVE HIM AN EDGE., because he couldn't STAND OUT in the 2016. Simple.
Wrong. Get a life. When my son's team beats you guys again, I'll be laughing on the sidelines.
I think conversation officially over when it comes down to I know you are but what I'm i?!!
So your 2017 player can vote! Good for you. Move on.
(And your not "in" LI , you are "on" Long Island!!
HAHAHAHA BWAHAHAHA - 2017 voting - How many have car keys?
Besides Will Rock, none of the top DC/MD kids have committed yet. The top players are still on the board. The families who pushed this are committed.
Two of them are lefty attackmen. The two top lefty attackmen on the VLC team remain on the board. And that is just one position. No Balt Crabs committed and the top VLC players are still on the board. It is very early and the best players from the two top teams are not committed. And that might remain the case for some time because many of them want to at least consider the Ivy League and Duke, neither of which breathes near 9th grade recruiting.
hey "DAD", not entirely true! SOME of the top players are on the board still in MD/VA. These boys in MD/VA have committed BECAUSE they ARE the top players in MD/VA. If you saw them all play and spoke to the coaches recruiting them you would know that. Certainly there are a few more out there yet to commit but don't be fooled by the "club" they play for. That means nothing.
When all of the top programs are after you, I don't think it's the parents pushing it.
This is not accurate. Rock and Ryan Pride to UVA, Alex Trippi to UNC. All publicized, all reclassed. JT Bugliosi to Ohio State a "true" freshman.
Congrats to the boys!
These boys have committed because THEY ARE some of the best in MD/VA. Don't fool yourself. There is a reason they all were recruited so hard.
Question. How does one hold back or otherwise reclassify their son after he's already started 9th grade? My son's school would never allow it. They would claim they are not lacrosse incubators. Is it too late?
Go private.
We are considering it but afraid of the expense for unsure returns. Anyone know if St Anthony's or Chaminade allow reclassifications?
LOL. "Cheaters". You guys in LI sure have an inferiority complex.
The poster is correct! Truth hurts, and YES Im a proud Long Islander. Face it, YOU HELD BACK YOUR KID TO GIVE HIM AN EDGE., because he couldn't STAND OUT in the 2016. Simple.
Wrong. Get a life. When my son's team beats you guys again, I'll be laughing on the sidelines.
I think these 2017 players are at a point that "team wins" mean NOTHING. If your still banging your chest about that than its obvious your son isn't truly getting recruited at the momnent.
Serious question - being recruited, what does it mean? My son has had contact from many schools and been invited to 10+ prospect days, most at schools he is interested in. Coaches have watched his video and viewed his profile, then invited him to their prospect days. But no coach has said we want you to commit. He went to Jake Reed last year and is going again this year + attending Maverick Showcase. His focus is on Ivys and Patriot League schools, who typically want to see some grades first. Are other kids in this situation being asked to commit already at these type schools? Find the whole process confusing and if you let it you could be doing some event every weekend.
Entirely true...we had to draw the line finally. The offers from the right schools are on the table. The choice for this true 14 yo 2107 is made. Announcement coming. Actually still trying to wrap my brain around the entire concept.
You go just 3 yrs back in time and these kids are playing PAL and goofing off and just having fun and we are all sitting on the sidelines waiting to hit the coolers in the trunk.
Now fast forward to the present: sitting in front of the desk of several D1 coaches listening to them praise the kid and tell him what opportunities this particular school will offer. Looking to my right and seeing a 14 yo conversing about college, course load, grad school opportunities and graduation rates.
Then digressing back to when I was 14 and just thinking about the girl in math class and how can I get her to notice me. Flashing forward again and seeing this mature life altering conversation go on between coaches and my son.
And then thinking back on the cooler in the trunk. How simple it was just 3 years ago.
I wouldn't change a thing. These kids earned it with the sweat off of their backs and multiple sacrifices along the way.
LOL. "Cheaters". You guys in LI sure have an inferiority complex.
The poster is correct! Truth hurts, and YES Im a proud Long Islander. Face it, YOU HELD BACK YOUR KID TO GIVE HIM AN EDGE., because he couldn't STAND OUT in the 2016. Simple.
Wrong. Get a life. When my son's team beats you guys again, I'll be laughing on the sidelines.
I think these 2017 players are at a point that "team wins" mean NOTHING. If your still banging your chest about that than its obvious your son isn't truly getting recruited at the momnent.
Serious question - being recruited, what does it mean? My son has had contact from many schools and been invited to 10+ prospect days, most at schools he is interested in. Coaches have watched his video and viewed his profile, then invited him to their prospect days. But no coach has said we want you to commit. He went to Jake Reed last year and is going again this year + attending Maverick Showcase. His focus is on Ivys and Patriot League schools, who typically want to see some grades first. Are other kids in this situation being asked to commit already at these type schools? Find the whole process confusing and if you let it you could be doing some event every weekend.
Entirely true...we had to draw the line finally. The offers from the right schools are on the table. The choice for this true 14 yo 2107 is made. Announcement coming. Actually still trying to wrap my brain around the entire concept.
You go just 3 yrs back in time and these kids are playing PAL and goofing off and just having fun and we are all sitting on the sidelines waiting to hit the coolers in the trunk.
Now fast forward to the present: sitting in front of the desk of several D1 coaches listening to them praise the kid and tell him what opportunities this particular school will offer. Looking to my right and seeing a 14 yo conversing about college, course load, grad school opportunities and graduation rates.
Then digressing back to when I was 14 and just thinking about the girl in math class and how can I get her to notice me. Flashing forward again and seeing this mature life altering conversation go on between coaches and my son.
And then thinking back on the cooler in the trunk. How simple it was just 3 years ago.
I wouldn't change a thing. These kids earned it with the sweat off of their backs and multiple sacrifices along the way.
Funny how another arrogant parent uses one parents question as an opportunity to pound his chest. You did not address the question, and as for your bragging......nobody cares! And as for offers on the table, you better hurry or else before someone else takes your superstars spot!
Funny how another arrogant parent uses one parents question as an opportunity to pound his chest. You did not address the question, and as for your bragging......nobody cares! And as for offers on the table, you better hurry or else before someone else takes your superstars spot!
Dude (Mr Chest pounder accuser Guy)
You are so out of line that its ridiculous. Not even going to drop to that level. I was informed many years ago by a wise person who told me to never argue with idiots because first they drag you down to their level and then they beat you with experience.
I Was just echoing this other guys situation. Sorry you can't chime in in a positive manner. Was not chest pounding at all. Just friggin' commenting on how absurd this whole thing is that this lax recruiting vortex has sucked us into. Never expected it.
But to be more direct in answering the other posters question as to what does it all mean?... I'm not even sure what it means. I've read the Cage Sage (thanks Sage) columns on schools rarely taking back a verbal commitment but, "what if" pops up in my head. Thus; I've told the boy that none of this matters. He's still got to prove every day that he's as good as other think he is. That his grades are the primary goal every day. Period. The only easy day was yesterday.
Now, back to Mr. "Chest Pounder accuser Guy": have a drink on me and chill, bro.
You're way too serious. Maybe a visit to your primary care MD to check your BP and see if any serious psychological issues may be at hand. Seriously.
Life's too short to be so angry.
Peace.
LOL. "Cheaters". You guys in LI sure have an inferiority complex.
The poster is correct! Truth hurts, and YES Im a proud Long Islander. Face it, YOU HELD BACK YOUR KID TO GIVE HIM AN EDGE., because he couldn't STAND OUT in the 2016. Simple.
Wrong. Get a life. When my son's team beats you guys again, I'll be laughing on the sidelines.
I think these 2017 players are at a point that "team wins" mean NOTHING. If your still banging your chest about that than its obvious your son isn't truly getting recruited at the momnent.
Serious question - being recruited, what does it mean? My son has had contact from many schools and been invited to 10+ prospect days, most at schools he is interested in. Coaches have watched his video and viewed his profile, then invited him to their prospect days. But no coach has said we want you to commit. He went to Jake Reed last year and is going again this year + attending Maverick Showcase. His focus is on Ivys and Patriot League schools, who typically want to see some grades first. Are other kids in this situation being asked to commit already at these type schools? Find the whole process confusing and if you let it you could be doing some event every weekend.
It sounds like you guys are a bit ahead of us and good luck. With invites to Maverik and JR it sounds like your son is well on his way.
I think you know when your son is really getting recruited. You will get the calls from either your HS or club coach that so and so school has expressed an interest and wants you to call.
You can't read too much into the prospect days, even ones you get after someone might have seen your son play. If you or him has filled out the online questionnaires you might be getting them because of that or it could be a positive response to having seen you play, but from our experience if there is real interest there is usually some contact with one of the coaches that can pass that information on to you.
We have called several of the schools that have sent out prospect invites to see if and when they saw our guy play and to get more details. So far they have all been very upfront about things.
Good luck
Anyone have opinions of the 2017 outlaws?
This is not accurate. Rock and Ryan Pride to UVA, Alex Trippi to UNC. All publicized, all reclassed. JT Bugliosi to Ohio State a "true" freshman.
Congrats to the boys!
These boys have committed because THEY ARE some of the best in MD/VA. Don't fool yourself. There is a reason they all were recruited so hard.
Did you edit my post, Mr Anonymous? I'm not kidding anyone, but you are fooling yourself
Question. How does one hold back or otherwise reclassify their son after he's already started 9th grade? My son's school would never allow it. They would claim they are not lacrosse incubators. Is it too late?
Go private.
We are considering it but afraid of the expense for unsure returns. Anyone know if St Anthony's or Chaminade allow reclassifications?
Don't think it's possible though these schools as they must follow NYS guidelines, unless there's an academic need for it.
I was the poster who hailed the coming of "prospect days" & am again not a Dad with a lacrosse background. I would like to go on believing parents would like to use this thread as a venue to learn something, and I am glad to share what I have learned and know to be accurate. It bothers me that some posters have been overtly incorrect or misleading on this thread.
If you read on this thread that some other parent has a kid going to JR and to Maverick Showtime next Summer, I can bomb down on that as false. Our our family was told that when his club has direct appointment to offer out, our son would receive one. And direct appointments have not been given out and have not been allocated with certainty. For example, my son's club team expects to get 4 direct allocation spots for one of these showcases, but the range that has been communicated is 2-5 by JR to the club. Now, quite possibly I am not being told the truth but if that is the case it would be a first from my son's coach who has been very forthright with us on all matters. On my son's team are two kids who went to JR last Summer as 2017s rising freshman, and they are both going to the 3d blue chip in Florida next month to re-audition because they were told they are not getting a direct appointment and need to go the 3d trials process. So anyone who takes as given that their kid went last year as a rising freshman 2017 is an automatic to JR this Summer is also incorrect and stating something that is false. Rather than a personal attack on any of the posters to this thread, I would just like to impart that what goes on this thread should be accurate if there are lacrosse parents who are not former lacrosse players - like me - are making smart reliances on it.
Next, I really do believe that prospect days are a great blessing but concede it too has limitations in terms of positive effect. If you go to two or to ten of these things, you are a part of an exclusive club that can pay $200 a pop. Any kid can go to a prospect camp; all you need to do is spend time on the internet to get informed and also ask your club coach. Most often club coaches will inform their teams of the prospect camps without prejudice to the best player on down to the last kid on the roster. Any kid can go, and it is a great way as I earlier wrote to get good information about where you stand. It is also a great way for assistant coaches at these schools to supplement otherwise low salaried positions. $200 x 200 = a material amount for the 2-4 staff coaches involved in putting it on. The inference that you are in an exclusive group because you have been to several of them is false. There is one reason why your son would be excluded from a prospect day: you failed to sign up before the event filled up and registration closed. By the same reasoning your U-9 kid if you have one can't play for the town recreation league for the same reason.
In terms of getting deals from all the top programs settled out and "making an announcement soon", well that is just something that belongs at a cocktail party in a circle of parents who have a good bit to compensate for and not on this thread. On our club a couple kids are truly great players and are being recruited by everyone out there now. Other kids, like our son, are being recruited by a few or some who are out there now. But no egos please. The schools who are out there now are not a long list. They are three ACC schools and the Big 10 teams, and literally a couple others which includes JH, Bucknell and Syracuse.
I will not waste anyone's time with hear-says, and can repeat what I know to be accurate. With the sole exception of Bucknell, the Ivies and Patriot league teams are not recruiting 2017s AT ALL. There are prominent other programs like Duke and Notre Dame who are currently not recruiting 21017's AT ALL. If I, or any other parent of a 2017, wanted to get in a car and go look at the Cornell campus next week, last time I checked that is not unlawful. If I, or any other parent of a 2017, wanted to reverse enquire on Princeton the most we could gather at this point is 1. your son is a candidate because he is a good player on a good club/school team, 2. we don't give athletic scholarships so the deal is there are no deals and a reference to the financial aid office, 3. we will start recruiting 2017's next year when the kids have a year of transcript grades, 4. taking time to discuss anything else is a waste of time because if your kid does not meet the indexed academic requirements there will be no conversation with you in one year anyways...so tell your kids to take care of their grades moreso than their lacrosse because if they don't we don't want you.
Last, I will say I am not an LI parent, so I don't bring a bias onto this thread when I state this: unquestionably the best 2017 team which has the largest number of elite D1 recruits is the LI Turtles. None of these kids have committed to a school yet. I am a MD parent and do have some local biases, and can state that the player in this state has not committed yet and add that not one player from the best team in the state (Balt Crabs) has committed. Knowing nothing and just gathering to guess, I believe a great many of these families are in no rush to foreclose on the possibility of their kid going to an Ivy or to Duke, which are great schools, to lock down a deal to go to Bucknell or to UNC, which are very good but not great schools, right now.
Like many other parents who don't carry the Stanwick or Powell family name, I hope to use information on which to rely to help our son through this and would be glad to share what I have learned to be accurate and is written out above.
I was the poster who hailed the coming of "prospect days" & am again not a Dad with a lacrosse background. I would like to go on believing parents would like to use this thread as a venue to learn something, and I am glad to share what I have learned and know to be accurate. It bothers me that some posters have been overtly incorrect or misleading on this thread.
If you read on this thread that some other parent has a kid going to JR and to Maverick Showtime next Summer, I can bomb down on that as false. Our our family was told that when his club has direct appointment to offer out, our son would receive one. And direct appointments have not been given out and have not been allocated with certainty. For example, my son's club team expects to get 4 direct allocation spots for one of these showcases, but the range that has been communicated is 2-5 by JR to the club. Now, quite possibly I am not being told the truth but if that is the case it would be a first from my son's coach who has been very forthright with us on all matters. On my son's team are two kids who went to JR last Summer as 2017s rising freshman, and they are both going to the 3d blue chip in Florida next month to re-audition because they were told they are not getting a direct appointment and need to go the 3d trials process. So anyone who takes as given that their kid went last year as a rising freshman 2017 is an automatic to JR this Summer is also incorrect and stating something that is false. Rather than a personal attack on any of the posters to this thread, I would just like to impart that what goes on this thread should be accurate if there are lacrosse parents who are not former lacrosse players - like me - are making smart reliances on it.
Next, I really do believe that prospect days are a great blessing but concede it too has limitations in terms of positive effect. If you go to two or to ten of these things, you are a part of an exclusive club that can pay $200 a pop. Any kid can go to a prospect camp; all you need to do is spend time on the internet to get informed and also ask your club coach. Most often club coaches will inform their teams of the prospect camps without prejudice to the best player on down to the last kid on the roster. Any kid can go, and it is a great way as I earlier wrote to get good information about where you stand. It is also a great way for assistant coaches at these schools to supplement otherwise low salaried positions. $200 x 200 = a material amount for the 2-4 staff coaches involved in putting it on. The inference that you are in an exclusive group because you have been to several of them is false. There is one reason why your son would be excluded from a prospect day: you failed to sign up before the event filled up and registration closed. By the same reasoning your U-9 kid if you have one can't play for the town recreation league for the same reason.
In terms of getting deals from all the top programs settled out and "making an announcement soon", well that is just something that belongs at a cocktail party in a circle of parents who have a good bit to compensate for and not on this thread. On our club a couple kids are truly great players and are being recruited by everyone out there now. Other kids, like our son, are being recruited by a few or some who are out there now. But no egos please. The schools who are out there now are not a long list. They are three ACC schools and the Big 10 teams, and literally a couple others which includes JH, Bucknell and Syracuse.
I will not waste anyone's time with hear-says, and can repeat what I know to be accurate. With the sole exception of Bucknell, the Ivies and Patriot league teams are not recruiting 2017s AT ALL. There are prominent other programs like Duke and Notre Dame who are currently not recruiting 21017's AT ALL. If I, or any other parent of a 2017, wanted to get in a car and go look at the Cornell campus next week, last time I checked that is not unlawful. If I, or any other parent of a 2017, wanted to reverse enquire on Princeton the most we could gather at this point is 1. your son is a candidate because he is a good player on a good club/school team, 2. we don't give athletic scholarships so the deal is there are no deals and a reference to the financial aid office, 3. we will start recruiting 2017's next year when the kids have a year of transcript grades, 4. taking time to discuss anything else is a waste of time because if your kid does not meet the indexed academic requirements there will be no conversation with you in one year anyways...so tell your kids to take care of their grades moreso than their lacrosse because if they don't we don't want you.
Last, I will say I am not an LI parent, so I don't bring a bias onto this thread when I state this: unquestionably the best 2017 team which has the largest number of elite D1 recruits is the LI Turtles. None of these kids have committed to a school yet. I am a MD parent and do have some local biases, and can state that the player in this state has not committed yet and add that not one player from the best team in the state (Balt Crabs) has committed. Knowing nothing and just gathering to guess, I believe a great many of these families are in no rush to foreclose on the possibility of their kid going to an Ivy or to Duke, which are great schools, to lock down a deal to go to Bucknell or to UNC, which are very good but not great schools, right now.
Like many other parents who don't carry the Stanwick or Powell family name, I hope to use information on which to rely to help our son through this and would be glad to share what I have learned to be accurate and is written out above.
Thank you for this.
I was the poster who hailed the coming of "prospect days" & am again not a Dad with a lacrosse background. I would like to go on believing parents would like to use this thread as a venue to learn something, and I am glad to share what I have learned and know to be accurate. It bothers me that some posters have been overtly incorrect or misleading on this thread.
If you read on this thread that some other parent has a kid going to JR and to Maverick Showtime next Summer, I can bomb down on that as false. Our our family was told that when his club has direct appointment to offer out, our son would receive one. And direct appointments have not been given out and have not been allocated with certainty. For example, my son's club team expects to get 4 direct allocation spots for one of these showcases, but the range that has been communicated is 2-5 by JR to the club. Now, quite possibly I am not being told the truth but if that is the case it would be a first from my son's coach who has been very forthright with us on all matters. On my son's team are two kids who went to JR last Summer as 2017s rising freshman, and they are both going to the 3d blue chip in Florida next month to re-audition because they were told they are not getting a direct appointment and need to go the 3d trials process. So anyone who takes as given that their kid went last year as a rising freshman 2017 is an automatic to JR this Summer is also incorrect and stating something that is false. Rather than a personal attack on any of the posters to this thread, I would just like to impart that what goes on this thread should be accurate if there are lacrosse parents who are not former lacrosse players - like me - are making smart reliances on it.
Next, I really do believe that prospect days are a great blessing but concede it too has limitations in terms of positive effect. If you go to two or to ten of these things, you are a part of an exclusive club that can pay $200 a pop. Any kid can go to a prospect camp; all you need to do is spend time on the internet to get informed and also ask your club coach. Most often club coaches will inform their teams of the prospect camps without prejudice to the best player on down to the last kid on the roster. Any kid can go, and it is a great way as I earlier wrote to get good information about where you stand. It is also a great way for assistant coaches at these schools to supplement otherwise low salaried positions. $200 x 200 = a material amount for the 2-4 staff coaches involved in putting it on. The inference that you are in an exclusive group because you have been to several of them is false. There is one reason why your son would be excluded from a prospect day: you failed to sign up before the event filled up and registration closed. By the same reasoning your U-9 kid if you have one can't play for the town recreation league for the same reason.
In terms of getting deals from all the top programs settled out and "making an announcement soon", well that is just something that belongs at a cocktail party in a circle of parents who have a good bit to compensate for and not on this thread. On our club a couple kids are truly great players and are being recruited by everyone out there now. Other kids, like our son, are being recruited by a few or some who are out there now. But no egos please. The schools who are out there now are not a long list. They are three ACC schools and the Big 10 teams, and literally a couple others which includes JH, Bucknell and Syracuse.
I will not waste anyone's time with hear-says, and can repeat what I know to be accurate. With the sole exception of Bucknell, the Ivies and Patriot league teams are not recruiting 2017s AT ALL. There are prominent other programs like Duke and Notre Dame who are currently not recruiting 21017's AT ALL. If I, or any other parent of a 2017, wanted to get in a car and go look at the Cornell campus next week, last time I checked that is not unlawful. If I, or any other parent of a 2017, wanted to reverse enquire on Princeton the most we could gather at this point is 1. your son is a candidate because he is a good player on a good club/school team, 2. we don't give athletic scholarships so the deal is there are no deals and a reference to the financial aid office, 3. we will start recruiting 2017's next year when the kids have a year of transcript grades, 4. taking time to discuss anything else is a waste of time because if your kid does not meet the indexed academic requirements there will be no conversation with you in one year anyways...so tell your kids to take care of their grades moreso than their lacrosse because if they don't we don't want you.
Last, I will say I am not an LI parent, so I don't bring a bias onto this thread when I state this: unquestionably the best 2017 team which has the largest number of elite D1 recruits is the LI Turtles. None of these kids have committed to a school yet. I am a MD parent and do have some local biases, and can state that the player in this state has not committed yet and add that not one player from the best team in the state (Balt Crabs) has committed. Knowing nothing and just gathering to guess, I believe a great many of these families are in no rush to foreclose on the possibility of their kid going to an Ivy or to Duke, which are great schools, to lock down a deal to go to Bucknell or to UNC, which are very good but not great schools, right now.
Like many other parents who don't carry the Stanwick or Powell family name, I hope to use information on which to rely to help our son through this and would be glad to share what I have learned to be accurate and is written out above.
Agree with a lot of what you said, good post. A few things from your post that I know are not correct: direct Jake Reed invites for the summer are already out, I assure you. Others kids can make it still through the 3D Blue Chip Florida process, but the direct invites can forgo the Florida process and these kids have already been invited and accepted their invites. Point 2: there are kids going to both Jake Reed and Maverick. Maverick invites are also already finalized and have been out for awhile like the JR direct invites. I know several kids who have already been invited and selected to attend both. Point 3: generally agree about Ivy, Patriots, Duke, etc. but they have been more active in talking to the kids club and H.S. coaches than you imply. Otherwise good, thoughtful post just wanted to correct a few pieces that I know from personal experience are not 100% correct.
I was the poster who hailed the coming of "prospect days" & am again not a Dad with a lacrosse background. I would like to go on believing parents would like to use this thread as a venue to learn something, and I am glad to share what I have learned and know to be accurate. It bothers me that some posters have been overtly incorrect or misleading on this thread.
If you read on this thread that some other parent has a kid going to JR and to Maverick Showtime next Summer, I can bomb down on that as false. Our our family was told that when his club has direct appointment to offer out, our son would receive one. And direct appointments have not been given out and have not been allocated with certainty. For example, my son's club team expects to get 4 direct allocation spots for one of these showcases, but the range that has been communicated is 2-5 by JR to the club. Now, quite possibly I am not being told the truth but if that is the case it would be a first from my son's coach who has been very forthright with us on all matters. On my son's team are two kids who went to JR last Summer as 2017s rising freshman, and they are both going to the 3d blue chip in Florida next month to re-audition because they were told they are not getting a direct appointment and need to go the 3d trials process. So anyone who takes as given that their kid went last year as a rising freshman 2017 is an automatic to JR this Summer is also incorrect and stating something that is false. Rather than a personal attack on any of the posters to this thread, I would just like to impart that what goes on this thread should be accurate if there are lacrosse parents who are not former lacrosse players - like me - are making smart reliances on it.
Next, I really do believe that prospect days are a great blessing but concede it too has limitations in terms of positive effect. If you go to two or to ten of these things, you are a part of an exclusive club that can pay $200 a pop. Any kid can go to a prospect camp; all you need to do is spend time on the internet to get informed and also ask your club coach. Most often club coaches will inform their teams of the prospect camps without prejudice to the best player on down to the last kid on the roster. Any kid can go, and it is a great way as I earlier wrote to get good information about where you stand. It is also a great way for assistant coaches at these schools to supplement otherwise low salaried positions. $200 x 200 = a material amount for the 2-4 staff coaches involved in putting it on. The inference that you are in an exclusive group because you have been to several of them is false. There is one reason why your son would be excluded from a prospect day: you failed to sign up before the event filled up and registration closed. By the same reasoning your U-9 kid if you have one can't play for the town recreation league for the same reason.
In terms of getting deals from all the top programs settled out and "making an announcement soon", well that is just something that belongs at a cocktail party in a circle of parents who have a good bit to compensate for and not on this thread. On our club a couple kids are truly great players and are being recruited by everyone out there now. Other kids, like our son, are being recruited by a few or some who are out there now. But no egos please. The schools who are out there now are not a long list. They are three ACC schools and the Big 10 teams, and literally a couple others which includes JH, Bucknell and Syracuse.
I will not waste anyone's time with hear-says, and can repeat what I know to be accurate. With the sole exception of Bucknell, the Ivies and Patriot league teams are not recruiting 2017s AT ALL. There are prominent other programs like Duke and Notre Dame who are currently not recruiting 21017's AT ALL. If I, or any other parent of a 2017, wanted to get in a car and go look at the Cornell campus next week, last time I checked that is not unlawful. If I, or any other parent of a 2017, wanted to reverse enquire on Princeton the most we could gather at this point is 1. your son is a candidate because he is a good player on a good club/school team, 2. we don't give athletic scholarships so the deal is there are no deals and a reference to the financial aid office, 3. we will start recruiting 2017's next year when the kids have a year of transcript grades, 4. taking time to discuss anything else is a waste of time because if your kid does not meet the indexed academic requirements there will be no conversation with you in one year anyways...so tell your kids to take care of their grades moreso than their lacrosse because if they don't we don't want you.
Last, I will say I am not an LI parent, so I don't bring a bias onto this thread when I state this: unquestionably the best 2017 team which has the largest number of elite D1 recruits is the LI Turtles. None of these kids have committed to a school yet. I am a MD parent and do have some local biases, and can state that the player in this state has not committed yet and add that not one player from the best team in the state (Balt Crabs) has committed. Knowing nothing and just gathering to guess, I believe a great many of these families are in no rush to foreclose on the possibility of their kid going to an Ivy or to Duke, which are great schools, to lock down a deal to go to Bucknell or to UNC, which are very good but not great schools, right now.
Like many other parents who don't carry the Stanwick or Powell family name, I hope to use information on which to rely to help our son through this and would be glad to share what I have learned to be accurate and is written out above.
1. Direct invites to showtime AND JR are out and have been for awhile.
2. Duke and Ivies ARE actively recruiting 2017's and may even have prelim lists because grades have been discussed and qualified.
3. There will be no commits from these schools until it makes sense after official first yr of grades.
4. Because it IS all about the grades at these very top schools.
I think you are right on regarding prospect days and as I said in an earlier post just call the coaches up and ask them. It may take a few tries to get through to someone, but every coach we have called has been straight with me and either said we saw him play at this tournament and have seen his video and like what we saw or no we haven't seen him play, but he is on a top club team and he also filled out our online questionnaire and we extend an invitation to anyone who has expressed an interest in our school.
The Ivies are looking at 2017's. We had Princeton, Penn, Yale, and Dartmouth watching several of our guys at a Maryland tournament, and they were actually paying attention to the games unlike most of the ACC school coaches I saw.
I was pretty surprised by the commitment to Bucknell. I know that the Patriot League teams are getting a little bit more aggressive with 2016's, but we have gotten feedback from the PL schools that we have contacted that they aren't quite ready which is a good thing IMO.
The Service Academies are also looking at 2017's. Air Force has committed one 2017, Army is looking at my son already, and Navy was at several of our games as well. They have the benefit of the prep schools which allows them to take larger classes, and take on more development projects if they choose to do so.
What has been the most surprising has been from the top tier of the DIII ladder. Some of the top schools seem to be as aggressive as some of the DI guys and because the coach can email directly there is less beating around the bush. We have heard from 3 top 10 DIII schools and 2 in the top 15-25 that want us to come up and visit.
Our guy didn't get an JR invite from 3d last year nor did we apply to Maverik. He has gotten his looks so far by playing well on a really good club team, and this will be our first summer of doing a few of the individual showcases. So far he is doing the 3d Rising Div I showcase, Fab Frosh, and the 175. We are not doing 3d Blue Chip again so no shot at JR either.
MD dad. Sorry to deliver the news to you and apparently your coach too, but... JR Blue Chip direct invites already went out for the summer. My 2017 got his on Nov 2nd. Deposits needed to be in on Dec 1st. Not a 3d playin but the real camp.
If you don't believe, or think its false as you stated, I'd be happy to email you a copy of the invite he received or the canceled check. Tho should not speak of what tho knows NOTHING about! Don't use second hand knowledge as acurate info. and don't "bomb down" as false what you don't know for sure. Just another example of how these forums are a joke and people post untruths!
[quote=VaLaxDad]This is not accurate. Rock and Ryan Pride to UVA, Alex Trippi to UNC. All publicized, all reclassed. JT Bugliosi to Ohio State a "true" freshman.
Congrats to the boys!
These boys have committed because THEY ARE some of the best in MD/VA. Don't fool yourself. There is a reason they all were recruited so hard.
Was a good note until you started in on that the IVY's are not recruiting. So far off the mark to be embarrassing and laughable. And for good measure, ND is actively doing so as well. The call our coach received on that would have to suffice. My son isn't interested.
Too bad Sage doesn't make private chat rooms so that we could compare notes without being harassed. You'd be pleasantly surprised to hear just what activity we've gone through alone with such schools and who else we know as well. So please refrain from blanket statements where your information is not substantiated by nothing more than what I can assume to be hearsay.
Now onto dispelling another error on your part....if I can figure out how to post up a copy our DIRECT invite from JR I would do so.i will paraphrase the letter a bit here... If you'd seem such a letter you would have known that there was also a non refundable deposit required of 275.00 by dec1st to guarantee his spot as offered. From 6/24-6/26 check in 1-3 pm,into talk at 4 check on 6/26 9-11 after your last game. Balance due on with updated profile sheet on 6/1. Cancelled check is your receipt. On or about may 15 u will receive another mailing telling what to bring.....sincerely JR and his direct email....
The cocktail party would be a great idea...care to sponsor it and we can all discuss the majority of the inaccuracies in your post?? Have nothing to compensate for here...just lucky I guess.
I think your club coach knows exactly who is going to JR with a direct invite. If he chose not to tell you, that is between you and him.
That was a long diatribe filled with numerous inaccuracies on your part. Do the research. Call the IVY's directly and ask them...(we've been to four, btw at their request, for enlightening discussions, shall we say?) call ND and ask them.
Sorry to pop your insecurity bubble...it may now be hard to patch all of the holes in it.
I was the poster who hailed the coming of "prospect days" & am again not a Dad with a lacrosse background. I would like to go on believing parents would like to use this thread as a venue to learn something, and I am glad to share what I have learned and know to be accurate. It bothers me that some posters have been overtly incorrect or misleading on this thread.
If you read on this thread that some other parent has a kid going to JR and to Maverick Showtime next Summer, I can bomb down on that as false. Our our family was told that when his club has direct appointment to offer out, our son would receive one. And direct appointments have not been given out and have not been allocated with certainty. For example, my son's club team expects to get 4 direct allocation spots for one of these showcases, but the range that has been communicated is 2-5 by JR to the club. Now, quite possibly I am not being told the truth but if that is the case it would be a first from my son's coach who has been very forthright with us on all matters. On my son's team are two kids who went to JR last Summer as 2017s rising freshman, and they are both going to the 3d blue chip in Florida next month to re-audition because they were told they are not getting a direct appointment and need to go the 3d trials process. So anyone who takes as given that their kid went last year as a rising freshman 2017 is an automatic to JR this Summer is also incorrect and stating something that is false. Rather than a personal attack on any of the posters to this thread, I would just like to impart that what goes on this thread should be accurate if there are lacrosse parents who are not former lacrosse players - like me - are making smart reliances on it.
Next, I really do believe that prospect days are a great blessing but concede it too has limitations in terms of positive effect. If you go to two or to ten of these things, you are a part of an exclusive club that can pay $200 a pop. Any kid can go to a prospect camp; all you need to do is spend time on the internet to get informed and also ask your club coach. Most often club coaches will inform their teams of the prospect camps without prejudice to the best player on down to the last kid on the roster. Any kid can go, and it is a great way as I earlier wrote to get good information about where you stand. It is also a great way for assistant coaches at these schools to supplement otherwise low salaried positions. $200 x 200 = a material amount for the 2-4 staff coaches involved in putting it on. The inference that you are in an exclusive group because you have been to several of them is false. There is one reason why your son would be excluded from a prospect day: you failed to sign up before the event filled up and registration closed. By the same reasoning your U-9 kid if you have one can't play for the town recreation league for the same reason.
In terms of getting deals from all the top programs settled out and "making an announcement soon", well that is just something that belongs at a cocktail party in a circle of parents who have a good bit to compensate for and not on this thread. On our club a couple kids are truly great players and are being recruited by everyone out there now. Other kids, like our son, are being recruited by a few or some who are out there now. But no egos please. The schools who are out there now are not a long list. They are three ACC schools and the Big 10 teams, and literally a couple others which includes JH, Bucknell and Syracuse.
I will not waste anyone's time with hear-says, and can repeat what I know to be accurate. With the sole exception of Bucknell, the Ivies and Patriot league teams are not recruiting 2017s AT ALL. There are prominent other programs like Duke and Notre Dame who are currently not recruiting 21017's AT ALL. If I, or any other parent of a 2017, wanted to get in a car and go look at the Cornell campus next week, last time I checked that is not unlawful. If I, or any other parent of a 2017, wanted to reverse enquire on Princeton the most we could gather at this point is 1. your son is a candidate because he is a good player on a good club/school team, 2. we don't give athletic scholarships so the deal is there are no deals and a reference to the financial aid office, 3. we will start recruiting 2017's next year when the kids have a year of transcript grades, 4. taking time to discuss anything else is a waste of time because if your kid does not meet the indexed academic requirements there will be no conversation with you in one year anyways...so tell your kids to take care of their grades moreso than their lacrosse because if they don't we don't want you.
Last, I will say I am not an LI parent, so I don't bring a bias onto this thread when I state this: unquestionably the best 2017 team which has the largest number of elite D1 recruits is the LI Turtles. None of these kids have committed to a school yet. I am a MD parent and do have some local biases, and can state that the player in this state has not committed yet and add that not one player from the best team in the state (Balt Crabs) has committed. Knowing nothing and just gathering to guess, I believe a great many of these families are in no rush to foreclose on the possibility of their kid going to an Ivy or to Duke, which are great schools, to lock down a deal to go to Bucknell or to UNC, which are very good but not great schools, right now.
Like many other parents who don't carry the Stanwick or Powell family name, I hope to use information on which to rely to help our son through this and would be glad to share what I have learned to be accurate and is written out above.
Too bad Sage doesn't make private chat rooms so that we could compare notes without being harassed. You'd be pleasantly surprised to hear just what activity we've gone through alone with such schools and who else we know as well.
BOTC does have this feature for private discussions. Two REGISTERED users can directly message each other without needing to do so over e-mail or by posting on the message boards. Become a registered user and you can take advantage of this feature.
Now onto dispelling another error on your part....if I can figure out how to post up a copy our DIRECT invite from JR I would do so.
Send a copy to cagesage@backofthecage.com and we will handle the posting for you with your child's name blacked out.
I think your club coach knows exactly who is going to JR with a direct invite. If he chose not to tell you, that is between you and him.
This is usually the case.
That was a long diatribe filled with numerous inaccuracies on your part. Do the research. Call the IVY's directly and ask them...(we've been to four, btw at their request, for enlightening discussions, shall we say?) call ND and ask them.
BOTC can confirm that five of the Ivy League schools (not all) have started recruiting from the Class of 2017.
I do stand corrected on the JR appointments. Apparently JR direct appointments have been allocated to a number of clubs, as others wrote. But not yet to ours.
I stand by what I wrote insofar as the Ivies, Duke and ND. If your club coach has made queries with the coaches at those schools or vice versa, then all power to them. And yes, we all saw some Ivies at the November tournaments and UPenn had a prospect day. But they are plainly not moving the recruiting process ahead with unofficial visits. The Ivies, Duke and ND are collecting data. I would find it credible that they are building or refining some targeted list of kids they are particularly eager on, but frankly the data they need...grades...are not available yet.
I do stand corrected on the JR appointments. Apparently JR direct appointments have been allocated to a number of clubs, as others wrote. But not yet to ours.
I stand by what I wrote insofar as the Ivies, Duke and ND. If your club coach has made queries with the coaches at those schools or vice versa, then all power to them. And yes, we all saw some Ivies at the November tournaments and UPenn had a prospect day. But they are plainly not moving the recruiting process ahead with unofficial visits. The Ivies, Duke and ND are collecting data. I would find it credible that they are building or refining some targeted list of kids they are particularly eager on, but frankly the data they need...grades...are not available yet.
I am just about certain that all of the JR direct spots have gone out. I guess if someone turned it down there could be a few floating around, but doubt it. Also, I am pretty sure that there are not specific club allocations. JR obviously has trusted sources which I guess you could then infer are club allocations, but I am just about certain that is the case.
If there were club allocations I would think our club would be at the top of the heap since we are part of 3d and one of the guys who picks who gets in from the 3d Blue Chip spent a lot of time coaching our team, and at least half of our team is JR or Maverik worthy. All of our parents are pretty open in a non-ego sort of way about discussing who is doing what, and I think maybe two or three at the most got direct invites.
It would be interesting to know how many of the 2017 directs were not at the rising freshmen last summer.
The sad fact is that just about everyone is already recruiting 2017's. As Cage said at least 5 that he knows of. It is now an arms race and each family has to figure out how best to navigate the system.
Guy...for the last time...YOU ARE WRONG. Just accept it. Guys have been trying to let you down nicely. For the record, all,of the schools on your "list" have been visited "unofficially" by many 2017's.
And they (your "non-actively recruiting" schools)have asked for and reviewed and approved first quarter transcripts. Ask me how I know....this includes Duke and "others"
And if you are just not in the loop with all of the other "activities" such as "unofficial visits" that are going on (and we've been privileged to attend ) with your dispelled list of "non-actively recruiting" schools; then there is clearly a reason for that...just as there was a reason that there was no direct JR at your mail box. The direct invites went DIRECTLY to the players...hence the words "direct invite."
The only event your club coach had any say in was maverick. JR was strictly based on their review and observations so don't hold your breath. Go to another 3D and take your chances but stop with the self delusions already. You truly are sadly misinformed.
I do stand corrected on the JR appointments. Apparently JR direct appointments have been allocated to a number of clubs, as others wrote. But not yet to ours.
I stand by what I wrote insofar as the Ivies, Duke and ND. If your club coach has made queries with the coaches at those schools or vice versa, then all power to them. And yes, we all saw some Ivies at the November tournaments and UPenn had a prospect day. But they are plainly not moving the recruiting process ahead with unofficial visits. The Ivies, Duke and ND are collecting data. I would find it credible that they are building or refining some targeted list of kids they are particularly eager on, but frankly the data they need...grades...are not available yet.
Parent of a 2017 that got a direct invite to JR on Nov 2nd. My son did not attend the rising freshman camp last summer by our conscience decision and choice. Did not attend a "play in" this year or last. Got a direct invite personally. NOT thru his club. It doesn't work that way. If your good enough, they will find you. The coach or director of your"club" is not nearly as important as they want you to think! Most have a vested financial interest in spreading this "myth".
Old saying in coaching... Recruit the kid, tolerate the parent.
Old saying in coaching... Recruit the kid, tolerate the parent.
When I was coaching youth sports, we used to target specific players for the team. The motto was "Recruit the Parent, Play the Kid". Tolerate the parent might be the longer term outcome.
I do stand corrected on the JR appointments. Apparently JR direct appointments have been allocated to a number of clubs, as others wrote. But not yet to ours.
I stand by what I wrote insofar as the Ivies, Duke and ND. If your club coach has made queries with the coaches at those schools or vice versa, then all power to them. And yes, we all saw some Ivies at the November tournaments and UPenn had a prospect day. But they are plainly not moving the recruiting process ahead with unofficial visits. The Ivies, Duke and ND are collecting data. I would find it credible that they are building or refining some targeted list of kids they are particularly eager on, but frankly the data they need...grades...are not available yet.
I am just about certain that all of the JR direct spots have gone out. I guess if someone turned it down there could be a few floating around, but doubt it. Also, I am pretty sure that there are not specific club allocations. JR obviously has trusted sources which I guess you could then infer are club allocations, but I am just about certain that is the case.
If there were club allocations I would think our club would be at the top of the heap since we are part of 3d and one of the guys who picks who gets in from the 3d Blue Chip spent a lot of time coaching our team, and at least half of our team is JR or Maverik worthy. All of our parents are pretty open in a non-ego sort of way about discussing who is doing what, and I think maybe two or three at the most got direct invites.
It would be interesting to know how many of the 2017 directs were not at the rising freshmen last summer.
The sad fact is that just about everyone is already recruiting 2017's. As Cage said at least 5 that he knows of. It is now an arms race and each family has to figure out how best to navigate the system.
What all you people don't get, is that YOU really don't have much to do with it. Just going to JR or Showtime WILL NOT get your kid recruited. There are plenty of committed kids in the 2016 year that neither attended JR or Showtime. Or even played on an elite travel team. If your son is good, the coaches WILL find him. The problem as I see it, is most of the boys are ok players, but not good enough to get recruited. Unfortunately, that will not change for most of them, and will just lead to more anxiety and frustration from overzealous parents. This will stress out both yourself, as well as your son. STOP IT! Let the process unfold and back off!
I agree with some of what you said. You absolutely do not have to go to JR or Maverik to get recruited, and despite the flaws those are still pretty good vetting events for coaches. If they weren't you wouldn't see just about every DI school sitting on the sidelines baking in the sun.
I don't necessarily buy the argument that if you are good they will find you. I have too much personal experience of kids who have wound up at top schools, or who are going to top schools who wouldn't be there without divine intervention. There are just too many kids playing good lacrosse at too many events, and lacrosse unlike football doesn't have the resources to dedicate towards recruiting so a lot of it does matter on your club.
Not that you have to play for the Express or Crabs to get recruited, but if you are playing on a mediocre team fewer coaches watch your game, and if you are surrounded by less skilled players it is often very difficult to showcase your skills.
When you watch coaches on a sideline most of them are not looking for the diamond in the rough. For the most part they are going to look at kids who have been recommended or who either the player or parent has sent loads of emails, updates, and videos, and the coach saw enough potential to go see the kid play in person.
Can this happen independent of a club coach, absolutely, but playing on a recognizable club team give you enough steer creed in many instances to at least warrant a look from a coach at a tournament or showcase.
The one point I totally agree with you on is be patient. If not this process will drive you crazy. It happens on different timelines for different people.
This is not accurate. Rock and Ryan Pride to UVA, Alex Trippi to UNC. All publicized, all reclassed.
Congrats to the boys!
I guess I have a hard to time saying congrats - I don't know the facts, but there is a growing, disturbing trend which is the reclassifying game. It sure seems like a twisted arms race of sorts where if you don't chose to play the cards are stacked heavily against you.
Trust me.... We are all very tired of the "reclassified" situation. But let's not judge those who do so in order to help their kids. If i had a child whose only chance to compete against the best of Long island was to "reclassify; then maybe i would see things through their eyes. Cheaters will always be cheaters.
They will do as they must to remain competitive with the true LAX hot bed: Long Island
I personally know there are several (at least 7) LI true 14 yo 2017's who are in the process of choosing just who to commit to and they all understand that there is no race here. Their families understand that the real importance here is helping the players pick the school which will best serve their educational options. Young as they may be; these kids are advanced enough to understand that their budding abilities are going to afford them great opportunities. With their parent's guidance; they will have the schools of choice amongst them which include all of the afore mentioned LAX powerhouse schools as well as IVY academic powerhouses.
Patience is truly a virtue. Long Island will as usual be very well represented across the board amongst all of these fine schools.
And they won't need "reclassification" to do so...
Long Island LAX: No reclassification needed.
Get a life. If a family decides to reclassify their child, it is pathetic to call that cheating.
God, you guys are total whiners.
Touched a nerve there, huh? :-)
Tell us the definition of pathetic, pray tell!!
As they used to say: if the shoe fits; wear it.
Ringers, cheaters, left back, held back, "re-classified " (luv that one)
Call it what ever you want....a cheater is a cheater.
Like father....like son,...way to go cheater dads...show us all how to get ahead with your lesser lax skilled kid using brute size and speed and being older and stronger.
Joe D had it right up here on LI: take the best age appropriate kids and bring them up and down the country and play up and beat everyone to condition the boys for the event of finally facing the CHEATERS; to which the skills of our true 2017's far outshine those of any reclassified CHEATERS...this goes for all Long Island A level teams across the board.
Head to head, one on one, we repeatedly suppress a little smile when we watch our true 2017's whoop up on the RECLASSIFIED CHEATERS.
Them's the facts.......DEAL WITH IT CHEATERS.
Our 2017's will get all and any spots they desire without CHEATING.
Now I have to go help my true 2017 narrow down his commitment choices. (Oops, is he taking away a 2017 spot from a 2016 CHEATER?)....answer: absolutely.
No cheating needed. And no whining here. Just chuckling at the collective blush I can feel from so many insecure dads in Va and Md that held their cheater kids back.
Have a lovely day.
As the parent of a true LI 2018 (born summer 2000, so he's even young for 2018), I can tell you every major LI club whether it is private or town based has their share of hold-backs, at every grade level. Many 2017s running about on this strange island sporting very early 1998 b-days. Joe D's amphibians might be an exception, but the emphasis there is on "might be".
You are incorrect about the ivies and Notre Dame. They are actively recruiting 2017s and they are having unofficial visits. That is a fact.
I do stand corrected on the JR appointments. Apparently JR direct appointments have been allocated to a number of clubs, as others wrote. But not yet to ours.
I stand by what I wrote insofar as the Ivies, Duke and ND. If your club coach has made queries with the coaches at those schools or vice versa, then all power to them. And yes, we all saw some Ivies at the November tournaments and UPenn had a prospect day. But they are plainly not moving the recruiting process ahead with unofficial visits. The Ivies, Duke and ND are collecting data. I would find it credible that they are building or refining some targeted list of kids they are particularly eager on, but frankly the data they need...grades...are not available yet.
I am just about certain that all of the JR direct spots have gone out. I guess if someone turned it down there could be a few floating around, but doubt it. Also, I am pretty sure that there are not specific club allocations. JR obviously has trusted sources which I guess you could then infer are club allocations, but I am just about certain that is the case.
If there were club allocations I would think our club would be at the top of the heap since we are part of 3d and one of the guys who picks who gets in from the 3d Blue Chip spent a lot of time coaching our team, and at least half of our team is JR or Maverik worthy. All of our parents are pretty open in a non-ego sort of way about discussing who is doing what, and I think maybe two or three at the most got direct invites.
It would be interesting to know how many of the 2017 directs were not at the rising freshmen last summer.
The sad fact is that just about everyone is already recruiting 2017's. As Cage said at least 5 that he knows of. It is now an arms race and each family has to figure out how best to navigate the system.
What all you people don't get, is that YOU really don't have much to do with it. Just going to JR or Showtime WILL NOT get your kid recruited. There are plenty of committed kids in the 2016 year that neither attended JR or Showtime. Or even played on an elite travel team. If your son is good, the coaches WILL find him. The problem as I see it, is most of the boys are ok players, but not good enough to get recruited. Unfortunately, that will not change for most of them, and will just lead to more anxiety and frustration from overzealous parents. This will stress out both yourself, as well as your son. STOP IT! Let the process unfold and back off!
Foolish statement
I do stand corrected on the JR appointments. Apparently JR direct appointments have been allocated to a number of clubs, as others wrote. But not yet to ours.
I stand by what I wrote insofar as the Ivies, Duke and ND. If your club coach has made queries with the coaches at those schools or vice versa, then all power to them. And yes, we all saw some Ivies at the November tournaments and UPenn had a prospect day. But they are plainly not moving the recruiting process ahead with unofficial visits. The Ivies, Duke and ND are collecting data. I would find it credible that they are building or refining some targeted list of kids they are particularly eager on, but frankly the data they need...grades...are not available yet.
I am just about certain that all of the JR direct spots have gone out. I guess if someone turned it down there could be a few floating around, but doubt it. Also, I am pretty sure that there are not specific club allocations. JR obviously has trusted sources which I guess you could then infer are club allocations, but I am just about certain that is the case.
If there were club allocations I would think our club would be at the top of the heap since we are part of 3d and one of the guys who picks who gets in from the 3d Blue Chip spent a lot of time coaching our team, and at least half of our team is JR or Maverik worthy. All of our parents are pretty open in a non-ego sort of way about discussing who is doing what, and I think maybe two or three at the most got direct invites.
It would be interesting to know how many of the 2017 directs were not at the rising freshmen last summer.
The sad fact is that just about everyone is already recruiting 2017's. As Cage said at least 5 that he knows of. It is now an arms race and each family has to figure out how best to navigate the system.
What all you people don't get, is that YOU really don't have much to do with it. Just going to JR or Showtime WILL NOT get your kid recruited. There are plenty of committed kids in the 2016 year that neither attended JR or Showtime. Or even played on an elite travel team. If your son is good, the coaches WILL find him. The problem as I see it, is most of the boys are ok players, but not good enough to get recruited. Unfortunately, that will not change for most of them, and will just lead to more anxiety and frustration from overzealous parents. This will stress out both yourself, as well as your son. STOP IT! Let the process unfold and back off!
Foolish statement
Agree. The problem is that most people on this site just don't want to understand certain things about the process. It is very clear which posts come from informed, been there, parents and should be viewed as a learning process. But instead there is bashing. Believe what you want, but the truth is there are different level schools. There's the ivy, Duke and ND, then there's the rest. That's a fact. These top schools are recruiting 2017's as we speak. And these kids ARE the best of the best. The role/reputation of the travel coach is important as all calls go through him and the Hs coach. As far as $$ goes, there is very little. Maybe 1/4 a yr, IVys none. The value is not the $$, it's the golden ticket to one of the top tier institutions.
This is not accurate. Rock and Ryan Pride to UVA, Alex Trippi to UNC. All publicized, all reclassed.
Congrats to the boys!
I guess I have a hard to time saying congrats - I don't know the facts, but there is a growing, disturbing trend which is the reclassifying game. It sure seems like a twisted arms race of sorts where if you don't chose to play the cards are stacked heavily against you.
Trust me.... We are all very tired of the "reclassified" situation. But let's not judge those who do so in order to help their kids. If i had a child whose only chance to compete against the best of Long island was to "reclassify; then maybe i would see things through their eyes. Cheaters will always be cheaters.
They will do as they must to remain competitive with the true LAX hot bed: Long Island
I personally know there are several (at least 7) LI true 14 yo 2017's who are in the process of choosing just who to commit to and they all understand that there is no race here. Their families understand that the real importance here is helping the players pick the school which will best serve their educational options. Young as they may be; these kids are advanced enough to understand that their budding abilities are going to afford them great opportunities. With their parent's guidance; they will have the schools of choice amongst them which include all of the afore mentioned LAX powerhouse schools as well as IVY academic powerhouses.
Patience is truly a virtue. Long Island will as usual be very well represented across the board amongst all of these fine schools.
And they won't need "reclassification" to do so...
Long Island LAX: No reclassification needed.
Get a life. If a family decides to reclassify their child, it is pathetic to call that cheating.
God, you guys are total whiners.
Touched a nerve there, huh? :-)
Tell us the definition of pathetic, pray tell!!
As they used to say: if the shoe fits; wear it.
Ringers, cheaters, left back, held back, "re-classified " (luv that one)
Call it what ever you want....a cheater is a cheater.
Like father....like son,...way to go cheater dads...show us all how to get ahead with your lesser lax skilled kid using brute size and speed and being older and stronger.
Joe D had it right up here on LI: take the best age appropriate kids and bring them up and down the country and play up and beat everyone to condition the boys for the event of finally facing the CHEATERS; to which the skills of our true 2017's far outshine those of any reclassified CHEATERS...this goes for all Long Island A level teams across the board.
Head to head, one on one, we repeatedly suppress a little smile when we watch our true 2017's whoop up on the RECLASSIFIED CHEATERS.
Them's the facts.......DEAL WITH IT CHEATERS.
Our 2017's will get all and any spots they desire without CHEATING.
Now I have to go help my true 2017 narrow down his commitment choices. (Oops, is he taking away a 2017 spot from a 2016 CHEATER?)....answer: absolutely.
No cheating needed. And no whining here. Just chuckling at the collective blush I can feel from so many insecure dads in Va and Md that held their cheater kids back.
Have a lovely day.
As the parent of a true LI 2018 (born summer 2000, so he's even young for 2018), I can tell you every major LI club whether it is private or town based has their share of hold-backs, at every grade level. Many 2017s running about on this strange island sporting very early 1998 b-days. Joe D's amphibians might be an exception, but the emphasis there is on "might be".
13 years ago I would Never have thought a child born in the summer would be considered young for their grade. This is crazy talk
I do stand corrected on the JR appointments. Apparently JR direct appointments have been allocated to a number of clubs, as others wrote. But not yet to ours.
I stand by what I wrote insofar as the Ivies, Duke and ND. If your club coach has made queries with the coaches at those schools or vice versa, then all power to them. And yes, we all saw some Ivies at the November tournaments and UPenn had a prospect day. But they are plainly not moving the recruiting process ahead with unofficial visits. The Ivies, Duke and ND are collecting data. I would find it credible that they are building or refining some targeted list of kids they are particularly eager on, but frankly the data they need...grades...are not available yet.
I am just about certain that all of the JR direct spots have gone out. I guess if someone turned it down there could be a few floating around, but doubt it. Also, I am pretty sure that there are not specific club allocations. JR obviously has trusted sources which I guess you could then infer are club allocations, but I am just about certain that is the case.
If there were club allocations I would think our club would be at the top of the heap since we are part of 3d and one of the guys who picks who gets in from the 3d Blue Chip spent a lot of time coaching our team, and at least half of our team is JR or Maverik worthy. All of our parents are pretty open in a non-ego sort of way about discussing who is doing what, and I think maybe two or three at the most got direct invites.
It would be interesting to know how many of the 2017 directs were not at the rising freshmen last summer.
The sad fact is that just about everyone is already recruiting 2017's. As Cage said at least 5 that he knows of. It is now an arms race and each family has to figure out how best to navigate the system.
What all you people don't get, is that YOU really don't have much to do with it. Just going to JR or Showtime WILL NOT get your kid recruited. There are plenty of committed kids in the 2016 year that neither attended JR or Showtime. Or even played on an elite travel team. If your son is good, the coaches WILL find him. The problem as I see it, is most of the boys are ok players, but not good enough to get recruited. Unfortunately, that will not change for most of them, and will just lead to more anxiety and frustration from overzealous parents. This will stress out both yourself, as well as your son. STOP IT! Let the process unfold and back off!
Foolish statement
You all will see. Those going to JR and Showtime, watch out! If you don't "shine" and get written up IL, nobody will be after you. I saw it with my son last summer. "political" kids from the best travel teams couldn't cut it. Others stood out and were actively recruited. If you decide to pay all the $$, you better be ready to be the best, or else you just look like you don't measure up with the top kids. Some kids might be better off just excelling on their varsity team
I do stand corrected on the JR appointments. Apparently JR direct appointments have been allocated to a number of clubs, as others wrote. But not yet to ours.
I stand by what I wrote insofar as the Ivies, Duke and ND. If your club coach has made queries with the coaches at those schools or vice versa, then all power to them. And yes, we all saw some Ivies at the November tournaments and UPenn had a prospect day. But they are plainly not moving the recruiting process ahead with unofficial visits. The Ivies, Duke and ND are collecting data. I would find it credible that they are building or refining some targeted list of kids they are particularly eager on, but frankly the data they need...grades...are not available yet.
I am just about certain that all of the JR direct spots have gone out. I guess if someone turned it down there could be a few floating around, but doubt it. Also, I am pretty sure that there are not specific club allocations. JR obviously has trusted sources which I guess you could then infer are club allocations, but I am just about certain that is the case.
If there were club allocations I would think our club would be at the top of the heap since we are part of 3d and one of the guys who picks who gets in from the 3d Blue Chip spent a lot of time coaching our team, and at least half of our team is JR or Maverik worthy. All of our parents are pretty open in a non-ego sort of way about discussing who is doing what, and I think maybe two or three at the most got direct invites.
It would be interesting to know how many of the 2017 directs were not at the rising freshmen last summer.
The sad fact is that just about everyone is already recruiting 2017's. As Cage said at least 5 that he knows of. It is now an arms race and each family has to figure out how best to navigate the system.
What all you people don't get, is that YOU really don't have much to do with it. Just going to JR or Showtime WILL NOT get your kid recruited. There are plenty of committed kids in the 2016 year that neither attended JR or Showtime. Or even played on an elite travel team. If your son is good, the coaches WILL find him. The problem as I see it, is most of the boys are ok players, but not good enough to get recruited. Unfortunately, that will not change for most of them, and will just lead to more anxiety and frustration from overzealous parents. This will stress out both yourself, as well as your son. STOP IT! Let the process unfold and back off!
Foolish statement
Not so sure I'd call it foolish as much as I'd consider "he who hesitates loses". The process for 2017's is active and as reluctant as we may or should be about jumping into the fray; if one doesn't, then possible opportunities may be lost.
Certainly there are the prodigies out there that are on every coach's radar, but for those not causing a blip on the screen, even if they are very good, chances are they might be overlooked.
So it's get in the game and play it just as the coaches have reticently done in order to not lose opportunities on gaining access to potential players for their programs.
It's definable as mind numbing at this point, I assure you.
I do stand corrected on the JR appointments. Apparently JR direct appointments have been allocated to a number of clubs, as others wrote. But not yet to ours.
I stand by what I wrote insofar as the Ivies, Duke and ND. If your club coach has made queries with the coaches at those schools or vice versa, then all power to them. And yes, we all saw some Ivies at the November tournaments and UPenn had a prospect day. But they are plainly not moving the recruiting process ahead with unofficial visits. The Ivies, Duke and ND are collecting data. I would find it credible that they are building or refining some targeted list of kids they are particularly eager on, but frankly the data they need...grades...are not available yet.
I am just about certain that all of the JR direct spots have gone out. I guess if someone turned it down there could be a few floating around, but doubt it. Also, I am pretty sure that there are not specific club allocations. JR obviously has trusted sources which I guess you could then infer are club allocations, but I am just about certain that is the case.
If there were club allocations I would think our club would be at the top of the heap since we are part of 3d and one of the guys who picks who gets in from the 3d Blue Chip spent a lot of time coaching our team, and at least half of our team is JR or Maverik worthy. All of our parents are pretty open in a non-ego sort of way about discussing who is doing what, and I think maybe two or three at the most got direct invites.
It would be interesting to know how many of the 2017 directs were not at the rising freshmen last summer.
The sad fact is that just about everyone is already recruiting 2017's. As Cage said at least 5 that he knows of. It is now an arms race and each family has to figure out how best to navigate the system.
What all you people don't get, is that YOU really don't have much to do with it. Just going to JR or Showtime WILL NOT get your kid recruited. There are plenty of committed kids in the 2016 year that neither attended JR or Showtime. Or even played on an elite travel team. If your son is good, the coaches WILL find him. The problem as I see it, is most of the boys are ok players, but not good enough to get recruited. Unfortunately, that will not change for most of them, and will just lead to more anxiety and frustration from overzealous parents. This will stress out both yourself, as well as your son. STOP IT! Let the process unfold and back off!
Foolish statement
Agree. The problem is that most people on this site just don't want to understand certain things about the process. It is very clear which posts come from informed, been there, parents and should be viewed as a learning process. But instead there is bashing. Believe what you want, but the truth is there are different level schools. There's the ivy, Duke and ND, then there's the rest. That's a fact. These top schools are recruiting 2017's as we speak. And these kids ARE the best of the best. The role/reputation of the travel coach is important as all calls go through him and the Hs coach. As far as $$ goes, there is very little. Maybe 1/4 a yr, IVys none. The value is not the $$, it's the golden ticket to one of the top tier institutions.
For us it was big bucks to a top 40 school. Little debt for my son, great lax and ed.
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The value is not the $$, it's the golden ticket to one of the top tier institutions. [/quote]
And there is the final word on this topic. Nothing more need be said.
I come at this with a different perspective. My son is 2017 who really should be a 2018. He was born late November 1999 and he made the cutoff by a few days. I chose to send him and up to this point it has never been an issue. He is a good player and has competed very well at the "A" Long Island level for a long time and he plays for one of the strongest school programs in the country. However, when it comes to the recruiting game the way it is presently being played, he is at a HUGE disadvantage. Considering hold backs and grade repeaters, he is up against kids 2 years older than him, which as we all know at this age is a huge difference. So for me, I have no illusions of him going to a top D1 school. I am hoping he has a successful high school career and goes on to play college lacrosse at a school that fits his academic as well as athletic goals, whether that's lower D1, D3, whatever. I am enjoying the ride, I am spending invaluable time with my son, going to prospect days, tourneys, camps, etc. He will end up where hes supposed to, and when he does I will be ecstatic for him because hes worked his butt off to get where he is. My only advice to all of you is to help your kid however you can and enjoy the ride.
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The value is not the $$, it's the golden ticket to one of the top tier institutions.
And there is the final word on this topic. Nothing more need be said. [/quote]
Final Word?? You are so wrong!!! Every kid has a different story. Not everyone will excel given the "golden ticket" that so called ticket is different for each individual. Many of you are setting your kids up for misery at one of these elite schools, happened to the director of LIE actually. His son went on to flourish at a "right fit " school. I went to Hoftsra, my brother went to Cornell. I make 2x the salary. It is about the right fit
Not every family is able to pay the big bill at the Ivies, so taking a bigger scholarship another top tier school might make more sense. Lots of parts to the equation. We are lucky to have a choice. Hope you get the same and consider what is truly best for your child.
The value is not the $$, it's the golden ticket to one of the top tier institutions.
And there is the final word on this topic. Nothing more need be said. [/quote]
Final Word?? You are so wrong!!! Every kid has a different story. Not everyone will excel given the "golden ticket" that so called ticket is different for each individual. Many of you are setting your kids up for misery at one of these elite schools, happened to the director of LIE actually. His son went on to flourish at a "right fit " school. I went to Hoftsra, my brother went to Cornell. I make 2x the salary. It is about the right fit
Not every family is able to pay the big bill at the Ivies, so taking a bigger scholarship another top tier school might make more sense. Lots of parts to the equation. We are lucky to have a choice. Hope you get the same and consider what is truly best for your child.
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I stand corrected. My nebulous statement was short and irresponsible. I should have coveyed that the overall goal is to get a ticket...the best ticket; for the best fit regarding academics, ability,financial considerations, etc.
Hopefully, all of our guidance and choices will be accurate and geared to the child's best interests and aabilties and not just satisfying our personal egos.
The value is not the $$, it's the golden ticket to one of the top tier institutions.
And there is the final word on this topic. Nothing more need be said.
Final Word?? You are so wrong!!! Every kid has a different story. Not everyone will excel given the "golden ticket" that so called ticket is different for each individual. Many of you are setting your kids up for misery at one of these elite schools, happened to the director of LIE actually. His son went on to flourish at a "right fit " school. I went to Hoftsra, my brother went to Cornell. I make 2x the salary. It is about the right fit
Not every family is able to pay the big bill at the Ivies, so taking a bigger scholarship another top tier school might make more sense. Lots of parts to the equation. We are lucky to have a choice. Hope you get the same and consider what is truly best for your child.
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I stand corrected. My nebulous statement was short and irresponsible. I should have coveyed that the overall goal is to get a ticket...the best ticket; for the best fit regarding academics, ability,financial considerations, etc.
Hopefully, all of our guidance and choices will be accurate and geared to the child's best interests and aabilties and not just satisfying our personal egos.
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well said!!
AT, the recent UNC committ was a decent player at the 2016 level. Since he had a "late birthday", August 1998, parents decided to have him go to a private school for a year after 8th grade so now he is a 2017 player. No way to view it other than as gaming the system. The fact that so many parents do it doesn't make it right.
Anyone have any input on the Peak200 camp? Have heard mixed things......
AT, the recent UNC committ was a decent player at the 2016 level. Since he had a "late birthday", August 1998, parents decided to have him go to a private school for a year after 8th grade so now he is a 2017 player. No way to view it other than as gaming the system. The fact that so many parents do it doesn't make it right.
What is wrong about it?
They are helping their child. If you choose not to do it that is your business.
If you do not want to send your kid to private school don't send him. If you do not want your son to play for a club team have him play only for his town team.
If you do not want him to go to a showcase event don't send him. Stop worrying about what others do. There is nothing wrong with it.
AT, the recent UNC committ was a decent player at the 2016 level. Since he had a "late birthday", August 1998, parents decided to have him go to a private school for a year after 8th grade so now he is a 2017 player. No way to view it other than as gaming the system. The fact that so many parents do it doesn't make it right.
oh so correct. That is absolutely gaming the system. If you knew when he was 5 he was younger and could not handle it and you held him back to start his educational career a year later I can live with that. Holding back a child in after 2nd grade for non educational issues is gaming the system.
That being said, if I had the means I would do the same. Because we are trying to get the best for our kids, but how do his friends see him after doing this. How is the reaction of the close family and friends.
AT, the recent UNC committ was a decent player at the 2016 level. Since he had a "late birthday", August 1998, parents decided to have him go to a private school for a year after 8th grade so now he is a 2017 player. No way to view it other than as gaming the system. The fact that so many parents do it doesn't make it right.
What is wrong about it?
They are helping their child. If you choose not to do it that is your business.
If you do not want to send your kid to private school don't send him. If you do not want your son to play for a club team have him play only for his town team.
If you do not want him to go to a showcase event don't send him. Stop worrying about what others do. There is nothing wrong with it.
He went back to his public school after going private for one year. Effectively, he took a "year off" from public school so that when he went back to HS, he was a grade lower than he otherwise would have been. Purely for athletic reasons, not academic. Gaming the system, cheating etc. No other way to see it unless you do the same thing and justify it in your minds somehow
Any school really only takes 4/5 Boys per position each year. Do the math, not a lot of spots at D1.
Most 2017 Teams very active or have a list to work from. Many Big East Schools are having Boys on unofficail visits, Boys are getting invited to College Football games and Basketball as well. Not just the ACC Schools the others are working in silence. You must put your Child in front of these Coaches they will not find you.
AT, the recent UNC committ was a decent player at the 2016 level. Since he had a "late birthday", August 1998, parents decided to have him go to a private school for a year after 8th grade so now he is a 2017 player. No way to view it other than as gaming the system. The fact that so many parents do it doesn't make it right.
What is wrong about it?
They are helping their child. If you choose not to do it that is your business.
If you do not want to send your kid to private school don't send him. If you do not want your son to play for a club team have him play only for his town team.
If you do not want him to go to a showcase event don't send him. Stop worrying about what others do. There is nothing wrong with it.
What's wrong is that it is a form of cheating. It's been said over and over again. Only wealthy families can afford to do this. Do you even feel at all bad for the hardworking, well deserving kid who's roster spot you took? The kid who earned it legitimately? Guess not! We have to worry about the cheaters, they are hurting the integrity of the sport. but karma will happen eventually. Just remember, just because you can do something, does not mean you should! Play fair, so you don't have to live the rest of your life wondering if your kid was good enough to make it in life competing honestly, instead of breeding a culture of deception.
This is not accurate. Rock and Ryan Pride to UVA, Alex Trippi to UNC. All publicized, all reclassed.
Congrats to the boys!
I guess I have a hard to time saying congrats - I don't know the facts, but there is a growing, disturbing trend which is the reclassifying game. It sure seems like a twisted arms race of sorts where if you don't chose to play the cards are stacked heavily against you.
Trust me.... We are all very tired of the "reclassified" situation. But let's not judge those who do so in order to help their kids. If i had a child whose only chance to compete against the best of Long island was to "reclassify; then maybe i would see things through their eyes. Cheaters will always be cheaters.
They will do as they must to remain competitive with the true LAX hot bed: Long Island
I personally know there are several (at least 7) LI true 14 yo 2017's who are in the process of choosing just who to commit to and they all understand that there is no race here. Their families understand that the real importance here is helping the players pick the school which will best serve their educational options. Young as they may be; these kids are advanced enough to understand that their budding abilities are going to afford them great opportunities. With their parent's guidance; they will have the schools of choice amongst them which include all of the afore mentioned LAX powerhouse schools as well as IVY academic powerhouses.
Patience is truly a virtue. Long Island will as usual be very well represented across the board amongst all of these fine schools.
And they won't need "reclassification" to do so...
Long Island LAX: No reclassification needed.
Get a life. If a family decides to reclassify their child, it is pathetic to call that cheating.
God, you guys are total whiners.
Touched a nerve there, huh? :-)
Tell us the definition of pathetic, pray tell!!
As they used to say: if the shoe fits; wear it.
Ringers, cheaters, left back, held back, "re-classified " (luv that one)
Call it what ever you want....a cheater is a cheater.
Like father....like son,...way to go cheater dads...show us all how to get ahead with your lesser lax skilled kid using brute size and speed and being older and stronger.
Joe D had it right up here on LI: take the best age appropriate kids and bring them up and down the country and play up and beat everyone to condition the boys for the event of finally facing the CHEATERS; to which the skills of our true 2017's far outshine those of any reclassified CHEATERS...this goes for all Long Island A level teams across the board.
Head to head, one on one, we repeatedly suppress a little smile when we watch our true 2017's whoop up on the RECLASSIFIED CHEATERS.
Them's the facts.......DEAL WITH IT CHEATERS.
Our 2017's will get all and any spots they desire without CHEATING.
Now I have to go help my true 2017 narrow down his commitment choices. (Oops, is he taking away a 2017 spot from a 2016 CHEATER?)....answer: absolutely.
No cheating needed. And no whining here. Just chuckling at the collective blush I can feel from so many insecure dads in Va and Md that held their cheater kids back.
Have a lovely day.
As the parent of a true LI 2018 (born summer 2000, so he's even young for 2018), I can tell you every major LI club whether it is private or town based has their share of hold-backs, at every grade level. Many 2017s running about on this strange island sporting very early 1998 b-days. Joe D's amphibians might be an exception, but the emphasis there is on "might be".
There are kids on that team that started school a year later than "normal" FACT!
AT, the recent UNC committ was a decent player at the 2016 level. Since he had a "late birthday", August 1998, parents decided to have him go to a private school for a year after 8th grade so now he is a 2017 player. No way to view it other than as gaming the system. The fact that so many parents do it doesn't make it right.
What is wrong about it?
They are helping their child. If you choose not to do it that is your business.
If you do not want to send your kid to private school don't send him. If you do not want your son to play for a club team have him play only for his town team.
If you do not want him to go to a showcase event don't send him. Stop worrying about what others do. There is nothing wrong with it.
What's wrong is that it is a form of cheating. It's been said over and over again. Only wealthy families can afford to do this. Do you even feel at all bad for the hardworking, well deserving kid who's roster spot you took? The kid who earned it legitimately? Guess not! We have to worry about the cheaters, they are hurting the integrity of the sport. but karma will happen eventually. Just remember, just because you can do something, does not mean you should! Play fair, so you don't have to live the rest of your life wondering if your kid was good enough to make it in life competing honestly, instead of breeding a culture of deception.
Are all the 2017 players that are committed "cheating"? Are they all older?
The issue becomes Timmy Reclassified gets a spot at Virginia - Tommy CorrectGrade goes to St John's (no - I am not putting St John's down there are few schools that are Virginia - just using it as a D1 Lax program)...who has the head start on a job interview? They gamed the system and it worked out - do they have to live with it - well I guess this is not the first game or system they manipulated so yeah, they will live with it, and after a UVA education and alumni connections, i would guess pretty well - so yes people are going to get upset
The issue becomes Timmy Reclassified gets a spot at Virginia - Tommy CorrectGrade goes to St John's (no - I am not putting St John's down there are few schools that are Virginia - just using it as a D1 Lax program)...who has the head start on a job interview? They gamed the system and it worked out - do they have to live with it - well I guess this is not the first game or system they manipulated so yeah, they will live with it, and after a UVA education and alumni connections, i would guess pretty well - so yes people are going to get upset
The alumni network conversation is a good one; this is a topic that we often discuss with families who are wondering what the value of a $50,000/year private institution might be over a $20,000/year state school or anything that ranges in the middle.
There are other points to consider in your example which only an individual family can adequately answer:
- Timmy at Virginia struggles academically and graduates with a 2.8 GPA. Tommy at St. John's handles the lacrosse and academic balance with a 3.7 GPA. Who gets the nod if both are applying for the same job?
- Timmy loved his time at UVA, but wants to return to the Northeast and settle in the New [lacrosse] tri-state area. What is the value of the UVA alumni network beyond Washington DC?
- Tommy decides to quit lacrosse after two years to concentrate on a dual major. Academics can qualify for an additional discount at St. John's. Did he need lacrosse at all in his portfolio?
- Due to lacrosse, Timmy needed an extra semester to complete his studies with the year-'round training load. If you look over four years, did the lacrosse scholarship really save anything?
This list of counter and counter-counter examples is longer than the Point-Counterpoint Segment on 60 Minutes. Our points are that when considering an institution, alumni network strength, long-term location, and financial considerations for athletics and academics are all part of the eventual equation.
AT, the recent UNC committ was a decent player at the 2016 level. Since he had a "late birthday", August 1998, parents decided to have him go to a private school for a year after 8th grade so now he is a 2017 player. No way to view it other than as gaming the system. The fact that so many parents do it doesn't make it right.
What is wrong about it?
They are helping their child. If you choose not to do it that is your business.
If you do not want to send your kid to private school don't send him. If you do not want your son to play for a club team have him play only for his town team.
If you do not want him to go to a showcase event don't send him. Stop worrying about what others do. There is nothing wrong with it.
Stop making sense. The whiners on this forum won't allow it.
The issue becomes Timmy Reclassified gets a spot at Virginia - Tommy CorrectGrade goes to St John's (no - I am not putting St John's down there are few schools that are Virginia - just using it as a D1 Lax program)...who has the head start on a job interview? They gamed the system and it worked out - do they have to live with it - well I guess this is not the first game or system they manipulated so yeah, they will live with it, and after a UVA education and alumni connections, i would guess pretty well - so yes people are going to get upset
The alumni network conversation is a good one; this is a topic that we often discuss with families who are wondering what the value of a $50,000/year private institution might be over a $20,000/year state school or anything that ranges in the middle.
There are other points to consider in your example which only an individual family can adequately answer:
- Timmy at Virginia struggles academically and graduates with a 2.8 GPA. Tommy at St. John's handles the lacrosse and academic balance with a 3.7 GPA. Who gets the nod if both are applying for the same job?
- Timmy loved his time at UVA, but wants to return to the Northeast and settle in the New [lacrosse] tri-state area. What is the value of the UVA alumni network beyond Washington DC?
- Tommy decides to quit lacrosse after two years to concentrate on a dual major. Academics can qualify for an additional discount at St. John's. Did he need lacrosse at all in his portfolio?
- Due to lacrosse, Timmy needed an extra semester to complete his studies with the year-'round training load. If you look over four years, did the lacrosse scholarship really save anything?
This list of counter and counter-counter examples is longer than the Point-Counterpoint Segment on 60 Minutes. Our points are that when considering an institution, alumni network strength, long-term location, and financial considerations for athletics and academics are all part of the eventual equation.
University of Virginia is a State School and and is considerred to be a Top 25 School.
St Johns University is a Private School and is ranked around 125.
The cost is about the same for both schools unless you are a resident of Verginia.
I think that given the choice I would select Verginia every time.
University of Virginia is a State School and and is considerred to be a Top 25 School.
St Johns University is a Private School and is ranked around 125.
The cost is about the same for both schools unless you are a resident of Verginia.
I think that given the choice I would select Verginia every time.
The University of Virginia is estimated to be $26,200 per year for in-state residents and $54,000 per year for non-Virginia residents. Source :
University of Virginia Web Site - Estimated Cost of Attendance St. John's University cost of attendance is $44,000 per year for commuter students and $56,000 per year for on-campus students. Source :
St. John's University Web Site - Estimated Cost of AttendanceHowever, those are the sticker prices. St. John's University had an average discount rate in excess of 40% in 2013-2014 which placed their real tuition costs in the $25,000-$30,000 per year range. The discount rate at the University of Virginia is not nearly as high.
Given the exclusive academic choice between the two, US News and World Reports would suggest UVA every time. If those were my only two choices, I would choose similarly. That said, BOTC was trying to point out other reasons, beyond the tuition bill, that might factor into a family's decision making.
Thank you for the contribution.
University of Virginia is a State School and and is considerred to be a Top 25 School.
St Johns University is a Private School and is ranked around 125.
The cost is about the same for both schools unless you are a resident of Verginia.
I think that given the choice I would select Verginia every time.
The University of Virginia is estimated to be $26,200 per year for in-state residents and $54,000 per year for non-Virginia residents. Source :
University of Virginia Web Site - Estimated Cost of Attendance St. John's University cost of attendance is $44,000 per year for commuter students and $56,000 per year for on-campus students. Source :
St. John's University Web Site - Estimated Cost of AttendanceHowever, those are the sticker prices. St. John's University had an average discount rate in excess of 40% in 2013-2014 which placed their real tuition costs in the $25,000-$30,000 per year range. The discount rate at the University of Virginia is not nearly as high.
Given the exclusive academic choice between the two, US News and World Reports would suggest UVA every time. If those were my only two choices, I would choose similarly. That said, BOTC was trying to point out other reasons, beyond the tuition bill, that might factor into a family's decision making.
Thank you for the contribution.
Gotcha. Many many very good schools out there when the time comes I just hope my kids find a good fit.
The issue becomes Timmy Reclassified gets a spot at Virginia - Tommy CorrectGrade goes to St John's (no - I am not putting St John's down there are few schools that are Virginia - just using it as a D1 Lax program)...who has the head start on a job interview? They gamed the system and it worked out - do they have to live with it - well I guess this is not the first game or system they manipulated so yeah, they will live with it, and after a UVA education and alumni connections, i would guess pretty well - so yes people are going to get upset
The alumni network conversation is a good one; this is a topic that we often discuss with families who are wondering what the value of a $50,000/year private institution might be over a $20,000/year state school or anything that ranges in the middle.
There are other points to consider in your example which only an individual family can adequately answer:
- Timmy at Virginia struggles academically and graduates with a 2.8 GPA. Tommy at St. John's handles the lacrosse and academic balance with a 3.7 GPA. Who gets the nod if both are applying for the same job?
- Timmy loved his time at UVA, but wants to return to the Northeast and settle in the New [lacrosse] tri-state area. What is the value of the UVA alumni network beyond Washington DC?
- Tommy decides to quit lacrosse after two years to concentrate on a dual major. Academics can qualify for an additional discount at St. John's. Did he need lacrosse at all in his portfolio?
- Due to lacrosse, Timmy needed an extra semester to complete his studies with the year-'round training load. If you look over four years, did the lacrosse scholarship really save anything?
This list of counter and counter-counter examples is longer than the Point-Counterpoint Segment on 60 Minutes. Our points are that when considering an institution, alumni network strength, long-term location, and financial considerations for athletics and academics are all part of the eventual equation.
University of Virginia is a State School and and is considerred to be a Top 25 School.
St Johns University is a Private School and is ranked around 125.
The cost is about the same for both schools unless you are a resident of Verginia.
I think that given the choice I would select Verginia every time.
Agreed, however the original point is that some kids might not get the UVA offer because a cheating holback is going instead.
I think that given the choice I would select Verginia every time.
What if the only way you could get the choice is by deferring your start by a year?
I assume the answer is yes.
Holding your child back a year is not cheating. It is understanding how a system works and operating effectively in that system. If it didn't work, parents would either stop reclassifying their children or complain about those of us who are forcing our children to graduate HS on time.
I hate the system, but it is the only system we have.
The issue becomes Timmy Reclassified gets a spot at Virginia - Tommy CorrectGrade goes to St John's (no - I am not putting St John's down there are few schools that are Virginia - just using it as a D1 Lax program)...who has the head start on a job interview? They gamed the system and it worked out - do they have to live with it - well I guess this is not the first game or system they manipulated so yeah, they will live with it, and after a UVA education and alumni connections, i would guess pretty well - so yes people are going to get upset
The alumni network conversation is a good one; this is a topic that we often discuss with families who are wondering what the value of a $50,000/year private institution might be over a $20,000/year state school or anything that ranges in the middle.
There are other points to consider in your example which only an individual family can adequately answer:
- Timmy at Virginia struggles academically and graduates with a 2.8 GPA. Tommy at St. John's handles the lacrosse and academic balance with a 3.7 GPA. Who gets the nod if both are applying for the same job?
- Timmy loved his time at UVA, but wants to return to the Northeast and settle in the New [lacrosse] tri-state area. What is the value of the UVA alumni network beyond Washington DC?
- Tommy decides to quit lacrosse after two years to concentrate on a dual major. Academics can qualify for an additional discount at St. John's. Did he need lacrosse at all in his portfolio?
- Due to lacrosse, Timmy needed an extra semester to complete his studies with the year-'round training load. If you look over four years, did the lacrosse scholarship really save anything?
This list of counter and counter-counter examples is longer than the Point-Counterpoint Segment on 60 Minutes. Our points are that when considering an institution, alumni network strength, long-term location, and financial considerations for athletics and academics are all part of the eventual equation.
University of Virginia is a State School and and is considerred to be a Top 25 School.
St Johns University is a Private School and is ranked around 125.
The cost is about the same for both schools unless you are a resident of Verginia.
I think that given the choice I would select Verginia every time.
The problem with the UVA, UNC, Hopkins oh they are great schools why wouldn't you go is that most, not all of the guy going there are not in that sphere of students. I know a guy who wound up being the team captain at UVA who had a 980 on the SAT and that wasn't too long ago.
Yes there are smart guys that go to those school who excel in the classroom and the lacrosse field. Maybe I have a poor sample, but I know a lot of ACC guys who went there for the lacrosse and haven't done a thing with the good degree.
I know that is anecdotal, but when I hear the UNC and UVA argument I generally have to call B.S. because at least the ones I have met and it is more than just a few were there only for the lacrosse.
It is about winning at the college level...which is why this goes on. If a "reclassified" kid gives a college coach a better chance, and the rules permit it, he is going to recruit him. I think it is ridiculous but the rules are the rules.
By the way, imagine if it were that way in the academic portion of school. Your kid ends his year with a 92 average but you want him to go Ivy so you are able to "reclassify" him and repeat the year to get that average up to a 98. That would be preposterous and not helpful in the end. On the athletics side of college, though, it is apparently ok. Again, the rules are the rules.....so people will run until they are tackled.
Excellent points CSage - and if anyone thinks with the workload to play Division I lacrosse - AND - a top 50 education is going to be able to complete a degree in 4yrs...few and far between. So you can add an additional year to your costs - hopefully they do well enough in school have endeared themselves to the staff and can get a Grad Assistant position to help....
The problem with the UVA, UNC, Hopkins oh they are great schools why wouldn't you go is that most, not all of the guy going there are not in that sphere of students. I know a guy who wound up being the team captain at UVA who had a 980 on the SAT and that wasn't too long ago.
Yes there are smart guys that go to those school who excel in the classroom and the lacrosse field. Maybe I have a poor sample, but I know a lot of ACC guys who went there for the lacrosse and haven't done a thing with the good degree.
I know that is anecdotal, but when I hear the UNC and UVA argument I generally have to call B.S. because at least the ones I have met and it is more than just a few were there only for the lacrosse.
The point made in the opening paragraph is very insightful. Athletes do tend to attend a university in their athletic sphere which does not overlap in many cases with the regular student body. This indeed might impact their ability to leverage the alumni network after graduation and might also impact their peer network in the future.
That said, also remember that the athletic community at top university programs can be an extremely tight knit family. University gifting from athletics alumni can represent 30% and more of the annual gifting budget.
AT, the recent UNC committ was a decent player at the 2016 level. Since he had a "late birthday", August 1998, parents decided to have him go to a private school for a year after 8th grade so now he is a 2017 player. No way to view it other than as gaming the system. The fact that so many parents do it doesn't make it right.
What is wrong about it?
They are helping their child. If you choose not to do it that is your business.
If you do not want to send your kid to private school don't send him. If you do not want your son to play for a club team have him play only for his town team.
If you do not want him to go to a showcase event don't send him. Stop worrying about what others do. There is nothing wrong with it.
What's wrong is that it is a form of cheating. It's been said over and over again. Only wealthy families can afford to do this. Do you even feel at all bad for the hardworking, well deserving kid who's roster spot you took? The kid who earned it legitimately? Guess not! We have to worry about the cheaters, they are hurting the integrity of the sport. but karma will happen eventually. Just remember, just because you can do something, does not mean you should! Play fair, so you don't have to live the rest of your life wondering if your kid was good enough to make it in life competing honestly, instead of breeding a culture of deception.
Are all the 2017 players that are committed "cheating"? Are they all older?
I heard four of the 2017 committed kids are true freshman (14 years old).
Excellent points CSage - and if anyone thinks with the workload to play Division I lacrosse - AND - a top 50 education is going to be able to complete a degree in 4yrs...few and far between. So you can add an additional year to your costs - hopefully they do well enough in school have endeared themselves to the staff and can get a Grad Assistant position to help....
Remember that many Division I athletes will attend summer sessions to pick up anywhere from 3 to 12 credits in order to maintain both academic progress rates (APR) for the institution and lighten their in-semester loads.
The issue becomes Timmy Reclassified gets a spot at Virginia - Tommy CorrectGrade goes to St John's (no - I am not putting St John's down there are few schools that are Virginia - just using it as a D1 Lax program)...who has the head start on a job interview? They gamed the system and it worked out - do they have to live with it - well I guess this is not the first game or system they manipulated so yeah, they will live with it, and after a UVA education and alumni connections, i would guess pretty well - so yes people are going to get upset
The alumni network conversation is a good one; this is a topic that we often discuss with families who are wondering what the value of a $50,000/year private institution might be over a $20,000/year state school or anything that ranges in the middle.
There are other points to consider in your example which only an individual family can adequately answer:
- Timmy at Virginia struggles academically and graduates with a 2.8 GPA. Tommy at St. John's handles the lacrosse and academic balance with a 3.7 GPA. Who gets the nod if both are applying for the same job?
- Timmy loved his time at UVA, but wants to return to the Northeast and settle in the New [lacrosse] tri-state area. What is the value of the UVA alumni network beyond Washington DC?
- Tommy decides to quit lacrosse after two years to concentrate on a dual major. Academics can qualify for an additional discount at St. John's. Did he need lacrosse at all in his portfolio?
- Due to lacrosse, Timmy needed an extra semester to complete his studies with the year-'round training load. If you look over four years, did the lacrosse scholarship really save anything?
This list of counter and counter-counter examples is longer than the Point-Counterpoint Segment on 60 Minutes. Our points are that when considering an institution, alumni network strength, long-term location, and financial considerations for athletics and academics are all part of the eventual equation.
University of Virginia is a State School and and is considerred to be a Top 25 School.
St Johns University is a Private School and is ranked around 125.
The cost is about the same for both schools unless you are a resident of Verginia.
I think that given the choice I would select Verginia every time.
Agreed, however the original point is that some kids might not get the UVA offer because a cheating holback is going instead.
So by your definition of a cheating holdback - do you consider the top lax schools as cheaters? I was just wondering because most, if not all, have kids that enter into their freshman year a whole year (or 2) older. Therefore, by your definition, you seem to be under the impression that starting this year with the class of 2017, these very same schools will be interested with kids that are, by your definition, a year (or 2) younger then the cheater holdbacks? I got news for you. NOTHING has changed with regard to taking the older kids. Many have stated that the holdbacks are taking our kids spots. Newsflash! Educate yourselves and do the research. Schools just aren't interested in 17 yr old freshman. Check out the rosters at these top schools and look up the birth dates. But mostly, just stop whining that it's not fare and stop acting like a victim.
So by your definition of a cheating holdback - do you consider the top lax schools as cheaters? I was just wondering because most, if not all, have kids that enter into their freshman year a whole year (or 2) older. Therefore, by your definition, you seem to be under the impression that starting this year with the class of 2017, these very same schools will be interested with kids that are, by your definition, a year (or 2) younger then the cheater holdbacks? I got news for you. NOTHING has changed with regard to taking the older kids. Many have stated that the holdbacks are taking our kids spots. Newsflash! Educate yourselves and do the research. Schools just aren't interested in 17 yr old freshman. Check out the rosters at these top schools and look up the birth dates. But mostly, just stop whining that it's not fare and stop acting like a victim.
Folks, this conversation has taken a wrong turn by introducing the concept of holdbacks being cheaters. While repeating a school year is clearly gaming the system, it comes with risks including the stigma of losing contact with your school friends, taking up with a younger group of classmates, and the boredom of repeating the same academic material.
Note that the NYSPHSAA has actually taken up this topic. Expect that there will be regulations on the number of years that scholastic athletes can participate in junior varsity and varsity athletics versus the number of progressed academic years coming shortly. In other words, playing two years at the junior varsity level while repeating ninth grade will result in one sacrificed scholastic athletic year at some point.
The issue becomes Timmy Reclassified gets a spot at Virginia - Tommy CorrectGrade goes to St John's (no - I am not putting St John's down there are few schools that are Virginia - just using it as a D1 Lax program)...who has the head start on a job interview? They gamed the system and it worked out - do they have to live with it - well I guess this is not the first game or system they manipulated so yeah, they will live with it, and after a UVA education and alumni connections, i would guess pretty well - so yes people are going to get upset
The alumni network conversation is a good one; this is a topic that we often discuss with families who are wondering what the value of a $50,000/year private institution might be over a $20,000/year state school or anything that ranges in the middle.
There are other points to consider in your example which only an individual family can adequately answer:
- Timmy at Virginia struggles academically and graduates with a 2.8 GPA. Tommy at St. John's handles the lacrosse and academic balance with a 3.7 GPA. Who gets the nod if both are applying for the same job?
- Timmy loved his time at UVA, but wants to return to the Northeast and settle in the New [lacrosse] tri-state area. What is the value of the UVA alumni network beyond Washington DC?
- Tommy decides to quit lacrosse after two years to concentrate on a dual major. Academics can qualify for an additional discount at St. John's. Did he need lacrosse at all in his portfolio?
- Due to lacrosse, Timmy needed an extra semester to complete his studies with the year-'round training load. If you look over four years, did the lacrosse scholarship really save anything?
This list of counter and counter-counter examples is longer than the Point-Counterpoint Segment on 60 Minutes. Our points are that when considering an institution, alumni network strength, long-term location, and financial considerations for athletics and academics are all part of the eventual equation.
University of Virginia is a State School and and is considerred to be a Top 25 School.
St Johns University is a Private School and is ranked around 125.
The cost is about the same for both schools unless you are a resident of Verginia.
I think that given the choice I would select Verginia every time.
Agreed, however the original point is that some kids might not get the UVA offer because a cheating holback is going instead.
So by your definition of a cheating holdback - do you consider the top lax schools as cheaters? I was just wondering because most, if not all, have kids that enter into their freshman year a whole year (or 2) older. Therefore, by your definition, you seem to be under the impression that starting this year with the class of 2017, these very same schools will be interested with kids that are, by your definition, a year (or 2) younger then the cheater holdbacks? I got news for you. NOTHING has changed with regard to taking the older kids. Many have stated that the holdbacks are taking our kids spots. Newsflash! Educate yourselves and do the research. Schools just aren't interested in 17 yr old freshman. Check out the rosters at these top schools and look up the birth dates. But mostly, just stop whining that it's not fare and stop acting like a victim.
Put down the afternoon beers... You're all over the map. What point are you actually trying to make??? Wow, I hope your wife is smart, because your intellect is not going to help your little Rabil.
I understand athletes will take summer classes - I played and did it myself - you are now inviting more issues, where to live in the summer (some schools close the dorms, no A/C, etc)or you just went through a grueling season starting in January, finished in May, took and successfully passed your 12 credits (that is all you need to play per semester) and now you have no money and were looking forward to hanging out on the beach back at your lifeguard job - well, sorry, you have to take 2 college classes in the span of 2 months so you can catch up or get ahead..it is not easy, so you get home for August, try to catch up with friends, rest for about an hour and start getting back into shape because the day you step back on campus there are 15 new darlings waiting to take your position....Make sure your son understands this it happens
How do you find out when the college prospect days are?
Can Cage answer this for this poster and a few others?
The issue becomes Timmy Reclassified gets a spot at Virginia - Tommy CorrectGrade goes to St John's (no - I am not putting St John's down there are few schools that are Virginia - just using it as a D1 Lax program)...who has the head start on a job interview? They gamed the system and it worked out - do they have to live with it - well I guess this is not the first game or system they manipulated so yeah, they will live with it, and after a UVA education and alumni connections, i would guess pretty well - so yes people are going to get upset
The alumni network conversation is a good one; this is a topic that we often discuss with families who are wondering what the value of a $50,000/year private institution might be over a $20,000/year state school or anything that ranges in the middle.
There are other points to consider in your example which only an individual family can adequately answer:
- Timmy at Virginia struggles academically and graduates with a 2.8 GPA. Tommy at St. John's handles the lacrosse and academic balance with a 3.7 GPA. Who gets the nod if both are applying for the same job?
- Timmy loved his time at UVA, but wants to return to the Northeast and settle in the New [lacrosse] tri-state area. What is the value of the UVA alumni network beyond Washington DC?
- Tommy decides to quit lacrosse after two years to concentrate on a dual major. Academics can qualify for an additional discount at St. John's. Did he need lacrosse at all in his portfolio?
- Due to lacrosse, Timmy needed an extra semester to complete his studies with the year-'round training load. If you look over four years, did the lacrosse scholarship really save anything?
This list of counter and counter-counter examples is longer than the Point-Counterpoint Segment on 60 Minutes. Our points are that when considering an institution, alumni network strength, long-term location, and financial considerations for athletics and academics are all part of the eventual equation.
University of Virginia is a State School and and is considerred to be a Top 25 School.
St Johns University is a Private School and is ranked around 125.
The cost is about the same for both schools unless you are a resident of Verginia.
I think that given the choice I would select Verginia every time.
Agreed, however the original point is that some kids might not get the UVA offer because a cheating holback is going instead.
So by your definition of a cheating holdback - do you consider the top lax schools as cheaters? I was just wondering because most, if not all, have kids that enter into their freshman year a whole year (or 2) older. Therefore, by your definition, you seem to be under the impression that starting this year with the class of 2017, these very same schools will be interested with kids that are, by your definition, a year (or 2) younger then the cheater holdbacks? I got news for you. NOTHING has changed with regard to taking the older kids. Many have stated that the holdbacks are taking our kids spots. Newsflash! Educate yourselves and do the research. Schools just aren't interested in 17 yr old freshman. Check out the rosters at these top schools and look up the birth dates. But mostly, just stop whining that it's not fare and stop acting like a victim.
Put down the afternoon beers... You're all over the map. What point are you actually trying to make??? Wow, I hope your wife is smart, because your intellect is not going to help your little Rabil.
you're funny. The minute someone makes a valid point you bash them. I thought the post was easy to understand. I guess it depends on what you want to hear!
Rumour is a 2017 from Long Island has commited to Virginia.
Just heard that a Dukes/Triple H 2017 M/FO player committed to Penn, or at leaast to the admissions process. So the Ivies are active.
Rumour is a 2017 from Long Island has commited to Virginia.
Not a rumour Laviano of CSH commited to Virginia Congrats to Him
Rumour is a 2017 from Long Island has commited to Virginia.
True 2017. Attack
Just heard that a Dukes/Triple H 2017 M/FO player committed to Penn, or at leaast to the admissions process. So the Ivies are active.
Add another true 2017 to that list as well. From well known club and HS.
Details to follow. Announcement will be made as per Penn's discretion.
Cage, Out of curiosity, was there the same level of discussion last year at this time with the 2016's? Were they complaining about holdbacks? Was there the same level of interest in who was commiting? What differences or similarities do you see in the two age groups? Only if if you know off the top of your head, otherwise I'll go back and look myself. Thanks
That kid was a fantastic FO guy, the best we saw last Summer. If this is accurate and there is a verbal to an Ivy, what does that mean exactly? Not to diminish this terrific player but the broad understanding is what you wrote, you commit to apply for admissions at a school. Couldn't every 14 year old or eventually 12 year old say that for IL's twitter boy to publish?
Cage, Out of curiosity, was there the same level of discussion last year at this time with the 2016's? Were they complaining about holdbacks? Was there the same level of interest in who was commiting? What differences or similarities do you see in the two age groups? Only if if you know off the top of your head, otherwise I'll go back and look myself. Thanks
The Class of 2016 had no where near this level of discussion about early commitments, holdbacks, cheating, and more. The differences could include a number of things beyond talent level. Parents might be more comfortable discussing the realities of the subject given that BOTC is now in its fourth year.
If you go back to the
Boys 2016 Fall 2012/Spring 2013 or this year's
Boys 2016 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 threads, you can review what took place with the Class of 2016's freshman and sophomore seasons.
When these kids take summer school, most, if not all, have a summer job on campus. They work at camps. Also, many large universities stay open and have a summer session. ACC programs have the kids living in athletic dorm, so ac is not an issue.
Staying back, or taking a Post Grad year is common practice and the ivies have been doing this for decades. The service academies do the same things. This is because many public school academic programs stink. And this does not matter which district they come from. I went to public school on LI and then transferred to a Prep school. I almost failed out the first year because my public school teachers and the curriculum stunk.
Cage, Out of curiosity, was there the same level of discussion last year at this time with the 2016's? Were they complaining about holdbacks? Was there the same level of interest in who was commiting? What differences or similarities do you see in the two age groups? Only if if you know off the top of your head, otherwise I'll go back and look myself. Thanks
The Class of 2016 had no where near this level of discussion about early commitments, holdbacks, cheating, and more. The differences could include a number of things beyond talent level. Parents might be more comfortable discussing the realities of the subject given that BOTC is now in its fourth year.
If you go back to the
Boys 2016 Fall 2012/Spring 2013 or this year's
Boys 2016 Fall 2013/Summer 2014 threads, you can review what took place with the Class of 2016's freshman and sophomore seasons.
My son is a committed Sophomore. He was one of the first, committing last July. This is insane, what is going on! I felt like it was too early for my son, and can't even imagine how a 1st semester 9th grader with no varsity experience can commit. Some of these kids won't even make their varsity team and what happens when the GPA is not good. All these kids have good intentions, but without a proven record, it's a lot of pressure to live up to.
So can I ask why did you have your son commit at that time if you were not ready? Did you feel pressure from schools?
Why aren't lacrosse coaches smarter? The apparent love affair coaches have with held back kids who are turning 16 while in 9th grade really upsets a lot of people on this thread, and I can understand that reasoning. I agree it is spineless to hold a kid back so he can be 16 running a field with 14 year olds for an advantage, unless the kid literally flunked out of 9th grade or struggled. Back in the day you repeated 9th grade if you were a crappy student, and now we can't even say "repeat" but have to style it as "reclassified" because the families doing it have self esteem issues with it.
If you are going to go all in and start recruiting 9th graders, why not look to the best 14 year olds? If a kid you like and want in your NCAA program someday does not develop enough, then redshirt him when he gets to UNC, UVa, etc. I have come to a conclusion that if UNC and others prefer this route, their programs will slip. I'd rather take a huge risk on a 14 year old who is competing well and has promise over a 16 year old sissy any day on our 2017 club team right now.
So can I ask why did you have your son commit at that time if you were not ready? Did you feel pressure from schools?
Yes, a little pressure. He had several offers from Ivies and other top lax schools. We decided to take an offer at the time because he had a pick from many excellent choices, many of which were offering very good financial packages. We were afraid that those offers may not still be there as the schools committed more and more players. My son is very happy with the choice, and our family is confident that we made a smart decision. My son is now working harder than ever both academically and athletically. He knows he has obligations to fulfill
Just heard that a Dukes/Triple H 2017 M/FO player committed to Penn, or at leaast to the admissions process. So the Ivies are active.
Add another true 2017 to that list as well. From well known club and HS.
Details to follow. Announcement will be made as per Penn's discretion.
Guy..
You have been hinting about this for days, every post lends a bit more info. No one cares! When the time comes, please let us all know so we'll know what a lunatic you are.
So can I ask why did you have your son commit at that time if you were not ready? Did you feel pressure from schools?
Yes, a little pressure. He had several offers from Ivies and other top lax schools. We decided to take an offer at the time because he had a pick from many excellent choices, many of which were offering very good financial packages. We were afraid that those offers may not still be there as the schools committed more and more players. My son is very happy with the choice, and our family is confident that we made a smart decision. My son is now working harder than ever both academically and athletically. He knows he has obligations to fulfill
All the best to your son, congrats. It is not an easy road. People don't realize how hard it is to just get recruited at any level D1,D2,D3. It is a great accomplishment just to have been given the offer to play college lacrosse. With the sport now on a national level, the number of talented players far out numbers the freshman spots available amongst all levels of college lacrosse. We all need to be a little humble and grateful for whatever opportunities our children earn. Today and moving forward, they will be truly earned against the toughest field of competition this sport has ever seen.
From an article in May 2013: "Before Dom Starsia talks about national titles, he unfolds a two-foot-wide spreadsheet that
gives University of Virginia recruits a look at life after
lacrosse. A big part of the coach’s sales pitch for a university founded by Thomas Jefferson in 1819 is VLAN, or the Virginia Lacrosse Alumni Network, a 200-person database of former players who work in finance and are willing to help cub Cavaliers reach Wall Street, too. The database gives a person’s name, firm, industry, title, e-mail and telephone number, says Drew Fox, a managing director at Neuberger Berman Group LLC whom Starsia credits with turning a loose affiliation of former players into an organized pipeline
of mentors. “Banker, equity guy, trader, analyst -- I don’t even know what those jobs are,” says Starsia, whose teams have produced four national championships and 13 Final Fours over his 21 seasons in Charlottesville. “But I do know it’s an impressive list"....
The issue becomes Timmy Reclassified gets a spot at Virginia - Tommy CorrectGrade goes to St John's (no - I am not putting St John's down there are few schools that are Virginia - just using it as a D1 Lax program)...who has the head start on a job interview? They gamed the system and it worked out - do they have to live with it - well I guess this is not the first game or system they manipulated so yeah, they will live with it, and after a UVA education and alumni connections, i would guess pretty well - so yes people are going to get upset
The alumni network conversation is a good one; this is a topic that we often discuss with families who are wondering what the value of a $50,000/year private institution might be over a $20,000/year state school or anything that ranges in the middle.
There are other points to consider in your example which only an individual family can adequately answer:
- Timmy at Virginia struggles academically and graduates with a 2.8 GPA. Tommy at St. John's handles the lacrosse and academic balance with a 3.7 GPA. Who gets the nod if both are applying for the same job?
- Timmy loved his time at UVA, but wants to return to the Northeast and settle in the New [lacrosse] tri-state area. What is the value of the UVA alumni network beyond Washington DC?
- Tommy decides to quit lacrosse after two years to concentrate on a dual major. Academics can qualify for an additional discount at St. John's. Did he need lacrosse at all in his portfolio?
- Due to lacrosse, Timmy needed an extra semester to complete his studies with the year-'round training load. If you look over four years, did the lacrosse scholarship really save anything?
This list of counter and counter-counter examples is longer than the Point-Counterpoint Segment on 60 Minutes. Our points are that when considering an institution, alumni network strength, long-term location, and financial considerations for athletics and academics are all part of the eventual equation.
University of Virginia is a State School and and is considerred to be a Top 25 School.
St Johns University is a Private School and is ranked around 125.
The cost is about the same for both schools unless you are a resident of Verginia.
I think that given the choice I would select Verginia every time.
Here's a potential problem with the very early commits we are seeing. The kids (and they are kids still) have an expectation both athletically and academically to continue to be a top prospect for the next 4 years of high school. Admit it or not, it is a lot of pressure for most to handle. When they leave high school the real pressure cooker starts. Division 1 athletics is a grind - and yes I know from personal experience. It is very rewarding but it is ultimately a full time job along with studies. So a kid who commits to a top school in 9th grade has 4 years that he has to "perform" because he is expected to as an early commit and then has to continue on an even bigger stage with better, stronger competition. Overall that's 8 years of a tough grind. I know some kids handle it fine, but I would think for others the idea of an early commit and "now I don't have to worry" is shortsighted. You have to ask yourself and your son " Are we committing just to say we committed or are we committing because the school, the program, the offer is everything we could hope for and more? Just one man's thoughts.
Here's a potential problem with the very early commits we are seeing. The kids (and they are kids still) have an expectation both athletically and academically to continue to be a top prospect for the next 4 years of high school. Admit it or not, it is a lot of pressure for most to handle. When they leave high school the real pressure cooker starts. Division 1 athletics is a grind - and yes I know from personal experience. It is very rewarding but it is ultimately a full time job along with studies. So a kid who commits to a top school in 9th grade has 4 years that he has to "perform" because he is expected to as an early commit and then has to continue on an even bigger stage with better, stronger competition. Overall that's 8 years of a tough grind. I know some kids handle it fine, but I would think for others the idea of an early commit and "now I don't have to worry" is shortsighted. You have to ask yourself and your son " Are we committing just to say we committed or are we committing because the school, the program, the offer is everything we could hope for and more? Just one man's thoughts.
Amen.
There are kids on "Every Team" that are older than the norm.
PAL / Town Teams at the youth level.
Club Teams at the youth level.
Middle School / JHS Teams.
Club Teams in the 7th and 8th grade.
JV and Varsity High School Teams.
HS Club Teams.
College Teams.
Are they all 'Cheaters" ? Are the parents who hold the child back from starting Kindergarden any different than the parents who hold the child back in the 9th grade? Are they Different than the parents who have their child do a Post Graduate Year at a Prep School? Are they different from the Parents who agree to have their child Redshirt in College?
Did Garden City have any holdbacks last Year? How about Ward Melville? I would bet that there are some boys at WM and GC who are holdbacks. What about Duke? Is Rob Pannell a cheater? Pannell did a PG year after HS and Redshirted at Cornell, Did Cornell Cheat? Is Pannell a Cheater? Did he take the spot of another kid?
This has been going on for a very long time. Starting school late, switching from public to private after 9th grade, PGing and redshirting have all been going on for as long as I can remember.
My kids are in the grade that the School District says they should be in but when the time comes maybe I will consider one of the options available.
Just heard that a Dukes/Triple H 2017 M/FO player committed to Penn, or at leaast to the admissions process. So the Ivies are active.
Add another true 2017 to that list as well. From well known club and HS.
Details to follow. Announcement will be made as per Penn's discretion.
Guy..
You have been hinting about this for days, every post lends a bit more info. No one cares! When the time comes, please let us all know so we'll know what a lunatic you are.
do you have anything positive to add? if not; keep your anonymous negativity to yourself...always the same disgruntled keyboard tough guys with the same crappy attitudes...give it a break already.
Here's a potential problem with the very early commits we are seeing. The kids (and they are kids still) have an expectation both athletically and academically to continue to be a top prospect for the next 4 years of high school. Admit it or not, it is a lot of pressure for most to handle. When they leave high school the real pressure cooker starts. Division 1 athletics is a grind - and yes I know from personal experience. It is very rewarding but it is ultimately a full time job along with studies. So a kid who commits to a top school in 9th grade has 4 years that he has to "perform" because he is expected to as an early commit and then has to continue on an even bigger stage with better, stronger competition. Overall that's 8 years of a tough grind. I know some kids handle it fine, but I would think for others the idea of an early commit and "now I don't have to worry" is shortsighted. You have to ask yourself and your son " Are we committing just to say we committed or are we committing because the school, the program, the offer is everything we could hope for and more? Just one man's thoughts.
That is a very thoughtful post. Thank you. Also, look at the math from high above, which is hard to do if your family is in the throat of this stuff. Lacrosse has a 12.6 allocation of scholarships over about 45 roster spots. That is not too impressive and is a worse percentage than women's lacrosse and other NCAA sports. Seems to me the jackpot is getting admitted to a UPenn or the like. And for any kid and his family, I salute their accomplishment. But with the Ivy league schools, is that happening for a 2017? No. The kid is committing to apply for admission to UPenn in 3 years. I get that if he meets the requirements he will get in with certainty or more certainty than some other kid with near perfect grades, and that is a great win. I would say that if a kid is in distress to perform well to meet the UPenn standard in 3 years, he has less a stress and uncertainty if he does meet them when he gets there if the lacrosse coach wants him. That is nothing compared to the stress and uncertainty of the zillion perfect kids out there with perfect grades and student leadership activities who will compete for finite spots among perfect kids in 3 years.
Do you really think that if you moved the recruiting deadline back to the summer before your senior year, you would all of a sudden remove all stress and pressure to perform throughout high school? Whether it's an early commit having to work hard to live up to expectations or it's a freshman working hard to get noticed, the kid has to work hard no matter what if he wants to play D1 ball. He has to work just as hard in the weight room, on the field and in the classroom, with or without a commit. A true athlete is always pushing himself, commit or not. So sorry, I don't buy your argument that early recruiting is detrimental due to pressure.
It also seems like many people think that parents of early commits are complete morons who have no care whatsoever about their child's future. Do you really think they allowed their child to commit to UNC, UVA, Bucknell, etc., without thinking about programs, fit, money, and so on? Seriously? How could a kid commit to Bucknell and you suggest anything other than a kids academic long term future was considered? And most I'm sure, if not everyone of these 2017 commits, probably had more than one offer in front of them. So suggesting they jumped at the first school to offer probably isn't accurate either. And the reality is, there is only one way to curb early commits anyways, more scholarship money. It will never happen, but the reason basketball and football players can wait and take their time is that they know all offers are full. Sure, football coaches will offer freshman, but that's more to be able to say "Hey, we loved you from the start". Most commits are juniors and seniors. Basically, until the pie gets big enough that no one has to fight over the crumbs, people will continue to take the security for their children.
As for reclassifying, it's 50/50 whining and legit. Club ball should 100% age based, something akin to AAA hockey. But showcases should be grad based as kids do go to prep school and also start school late for various reasons. I do have to say I find it a bit odd that kids want to play varsity lacrosse as a freshman, or even 8th grader in some cases, but chooses to play below their age level during club ball. I know kids who have dropped down after reclassifying and unfortunately I think it stems their development. It's like playing in the back yard with a 5 year old, how much do you benefit from that? Yeah you look awesome, but did you get any better by toying with younger kids? Of course not. You could still grad when you want to, and look awesome at Jake Reed too, but also still get challenged during the summer and also keep things fair for those how spent thousands of dollars. It should be similar to hockey, age based minor hockey until junior. Some will go straight to college after high school at 18, others might play junior for a few years, whatever works for each individual.
That's my 2 cents…
Do you really think that if you moved the recruiting deadline back to the summer before your senior year, you would all of a sudden remove all stress and pressure to perform throughout high school? Whether it's an early commit having to work hard to live up to expectations or it's a freshman working hard to get noticed, the kid has to work hard no matter what if he wants to play D1 ball. He has to work just as hard in the weight room, on the field and in the classroom, with or without a commit. A true athlete is always pushing himself, commit or not. So sorry, I don't buy your argument that early recruiting is detrimental due to pressure.
It also seems like many people think that parents of early commits are complete morons who have no care whatsoever about their child's future. Do you really think they allowed their child to commit to UNC, UVA, Bucknell, etc., without thinking about programs, fit, money, and so on? Seriously? How could a kid commit to Bucknell and you suggest anything other than a kids academic long term future was considered? And most I'm sure, if not everyone of these 2017 commits, probably had more than one offer in front of them. So suggesting they jumped at the first school to offer probably isn't accurate either. And the reality is, there is only one way to curb early commits anyways, more scholarship money. It will never happen, but the reason basketball and football players can wait and take their time is that they know all offers are full. Sure, football coaches will offer freshman, but that's more to be able to say "Hey, we loved you from the start". Most commits are juniors and seniors. Basically, until the pie gets big enough that no one has to fight over the crumbs, people will continue to take the security for their children.
As for reclassifying, it's 50/50 whining and legit. Club ball should 100% age based, something akin to AAA hockey. But showcases should be grad based as kids do go to prep school and also start school late for various reasons. I do have to say I find it a bit odd that kids want to play varsity lacrosse as a freshman, or even 8th grader in some cases, but chooses to play below their age level during club ball. I know kids who have dropped down after reclassifying and unfortunately I think it stems their development. It's like playing in the back yard with a 5 year old, how much do you benefit from that? Yeah you look awesome, but did you get any better by toying with younger kids? Of course not. You could still grad when you want to, and look awesome at Jake Reed too, but also still get challenged during the summer and also keep things fair for those how spent thousands of dollars. It should be similar to hockey, age based minor hockey until junior. Some will go straight to college after high school at 18, others might play junior for a few years, whatever works for each individual.
That's my 2 cents…
a valuable 2 cents..thanks
Great post.
I saw this on US Lacrosse website today, under tab marked "Proof of Age":
US Lacrosse is currently developing a comprehensive Age Verification program. Until the program has been fully developed this system is for event participation purposes ONLY.
If you are the parent of a PLAYER who is currently registered to participate in an event then please submit your Proof of Age using the tool below.
Tips to Uploading Proof of Ages:
•Proof of ages accepted are birth certificate, passport or state issued ID with a valid birthdate listed.
•File should not be more than 2MB in size
•You know your file has been uploaded correctly when a date appears in the “DATE ADDED” column
Once you have uploaded your Proof of Age documentation, it may take as long as 48 business hours to validate. A confirmation email will be sent once the proof of age has been validated.
If you have any questions or concerns, feel free to contact the Constituent Services Center at 410.235.6882 #102, or send us an e-mail at events@uslacrosse.org, Monday through Friday, 8:30 a.m. – 5:00 p.m. est.
If enforced, it may resolve age related concerns at the youth level. There's hope, but, as always, it's the details...
Do you really think that if you moved the recruiting deadline back to the summer before your senior year, you would all of a sudden remove all stress and pressure to perform throughout high school? Whether it's an early commit having to work hard to live up to expectations or it's a freshman working hard to get noticed, the kid has to work hard no matter what if he wants to play D1 ball. He has to work just as hard in the weight room, on the field and in the classroom, with or without a commit. A true athlete is always pushing himself, commit or not. So sorry, I don't buy your argument that early recruiting is detrimental due to pressure.
It also seems like many people think that parents of early commits are complete morons who have no care whatsoever about their child's future. Do you really think they allowed their child to commit to UNC, UVA, Bucknell, etc., without thinking about programs, fit, money, and so on? Seriously? How could a kid commit to Bucknell and you suggest anything other than a kids academic long term future was considered? And most I'm sure, if not everyone of these 2017 commits, probably had more than one offer in front of them. So suggesting they jumped at the first school to offer probably isn't accurate either. And the reality is, there is only one way to curb early commits anyways, more scholarship money. It will never happen, but the reason basketball and football players can wait and take their time is that they know all offers are full. Sure, football coaches will offer freshman, but that's more to be able to say "Hey, we loved you from the start". Most commits are juniors and seniors. Basically, until the pie gets big enough that no one has to fight over the crumbs, people will continue to take the security for their children.
As for reclassifying, it's 50/50 whining and legit. Club ball should 100% age based, something akin to AAA hockey. But showcases should be grad based as kids do go to prep school and also start school late for various reasons. I do have to say I find it a bit odd that kids want to play varsity lacrosse as a freshman, or even 8th grader in some cases, but chooses to play below their age level during club ball. I know kids who have dropped down after reclassifying and unfortunately I think it stems their development. It's like playing in the back yard with a 5 year old, how much do you benefit from that? Yeah you look awesome, but did you get any better by toying with younger kids? Of course not. You could still grad when you want to, and look awesome at Jake Reed too, but also still get challenged during the summer and also keep things fair for those how spent thousands of dollars. It should be similar to hockey, age based minor hockey until junior. Some will go straight to college after high school at 18, others might play junior for a few years, whatever works for each individual.
That's my 2 cents…
Do you really think that if you moved the recruiting deadline back to the summer before your senior year, you would all of a sudden remove all stress and pressure to perform throughout high school? Whether it's an early commit having to work hard to live up to expectations or it's a freshman working hard to get noticed, the kid has to work hard no matter what if he wants to play D1 ball. He has to work just as hard in the weight room, on the field and in the classroom, with or without a commit. A true athlete is always pushing himself, commit or not. So sorry, I don't buy your argument that early recruiting is detrimental due to pressure.
It also seems like many people think that parents of early commits are complete morons who have no care whatsoever about their child's future. Do you really think they allowed their child to commit to UNC, UVA, Bucknell, etc., without thinking about programs, fit, money, and so on? Seriously? How could a kid commit to Bucknell and you suggest anything other than a kids academic long term future was considered? And most I'm sure, if not everyone of these 2017 commits, probably had more than one offer in front of them. So suggesting they jumped at the first school to offer probably isn't accurate either. And the reality is, there is only one way to curb early commits anyways, more scholarship money. It will never happen, but the reason basketball and football players can wait and take their time is that they know all offers are full. Sure, football coaches will offer freshman, but that's more to be able to say "Hey, we loved you from the start". Most commits are juniors and seniors. Basically, until the pie gets big enough that no one has to fight over the crumbs, people will continue to take the security for their children.
As for reclassifying, it's 50/50 whining and legit. Club ball should 100% age based, something akin to AAA hockey. But showcases should be grad based as kids do go to prep school and also start school late for various reasons. I do have to say I find it a bit odd that kids want to play varsity lacrosse as a freshman, or even 8th grader in some cases, but chooses to play below their age level during club ball. I know kids who have dropped down after reclassifying and unfortunately I think it stems their development. It's like playing in the back yard with a 5 year old, how much do you benefit from that? Yeah you look awesome, but did you get any better by toying with younger kids? Of course not. You could still grad when you want to, and look awesome at Jake Reed too, but also still get challenged during the summer and also keep things fair for those how spent thousands of dollars. It should be similar to hockey, age based minor hockey until junior. Some will go straight to college after high school at 18, others might play junior for a few years, whatever works for each individual.
That's my 2 cents…
a valuable 2 cents..thanks
No where was it stated that the kids who don't commit don't have pressure or that parents of committed kids jump at the first offer. I do agree that admission wise kids who commit have a leg up on the other non-athletes as far as acceptance. However, the point is putting the pressure of school decision and acceptance on a 14 year old is a bit much. I am aware of the caliber of play of the early LI commits and they are well deserved and no where did it say they jumped at the first offer. If they are happy, I am happy for them. You made some very valid points, your two cents worth, but misread some points of the other post.
I read in another thread where the [lacrosse]'s Sporting Goods Tournament of Champions is requiring birth certificates to enforce age restrictions. Couple youth age restrictions with 4yr limitations for HS players and you will go a long way toward resolving reclassing issues.
It would neither prevent the kindergarten holdbacks, nor the 8th grade reclassers, but it would eliminate some advantages. Right now, an old 4th grader would still play with his classmates. Age restrictions would force him to play with the 5th grade teams. Additionally, many reclassed 8th graders play JV (or varsity) to continue their development. If these players were forced to play another year of youth, it would make this a less attractive option.
I read in another thread where the [lacrosse]'s Sporting Goods Tournament of Champions is requiring birth certificates to enforce age restrictions. Couple youth age restrictions with 4yr limitations for HS players and you will go a long way toward resolving reclassing issues.
It would neither prevent the kindergarten holdbacks, nor the 8th grade reclassers, but it would eliminate some advantages. Right now, an old 4th grader would still play with his classmates. Age restrictions would force him to play with the 5th grade teams. Additionally, many reclassed 8th graders play JV (or varsity) to continue their development. If these players were forced to play another year of youth, it would make this a less attractive option.
In the end, it really won't matter as far a recruiting goes because at the college level the coaches are still going to recruit the oldest players for their freshman class. Additionally, I will predict there will be more red shirts and pgs like the old days. It's not like the top colleges will fill their freshman classes with younger kids. They'll just say we want you if you pg.
What's the difference between the stress of picking a university and picking a prep school? Not a whole lot and 14 year olds go through it all the time. You have to go on campus visits, do interviews, fill out applications, write essays, take tests, deal with financial aid and even worry about the lacrosse aspect. Personally I think it's the parents that determine how stressful the decision is. If you treat the situation like it's a life and death decision, so will the kid. If you take it in stride, so will the kid. And don't forget, there are positives to the situation as well. I think it's pretty cool that 14 year olds are thinking of their future and have the goal to attend university. Could be a lot worse.
I don't understand your point. Reading through these threads, most posters are upset with reclassed 16yo competing with 14 yo son for an opportunity to play D1 lacrosse. Me too. Frankly, the system as it is rewards the older, reclassed kid with little downside other than cost. Enforcing age restrictions at the youth level, thereby forcing older kids to play out of class, makes kindergarten holdbacks a little more painful-no friends on team, car pools for Mom, or social hour with fellow parents at tourneys. 4yr HS restriction would curb reclassers by forcing another year of youth ball. Choosing 2-3 practices a week and higher costs for a year of physical growth over 5 practices, better competition and coaching becomes a much more difficult decision.
It is not perfect, but it would be a start.
I read in another thread where the [lacrosse]'s Sporting Goods Tournament of Champions is requiring birth certificates to enforce age restrictions. Couple youth age restrictions with 4yr limitations for HS players and you will go a long way toward resolving reclassing issues.
It would neither prevent the kindergarten holdbacks, nor the 8th grade reclassers, but it would eliminate some advantages. Right now, an old 4th grader would still play with his classmates. Age restrictions would force him to play with the 5th grade teams. Additionally, many reclassed 8th graders play JV (or varsity) to continue their development. If these players were forced to play another year of youth, it would make this a less attractive option.
In the end, it really won't matter as far a recruiting goes because at the college level the coaches are still going to recruit the oldest players for their freshman class. Additionally, I will predict there will be more red shirts and pgs like the old days. It's not like the top colleges will fill their freshman classes with younger kids. They'll just say we want you if you pg.
I don't understand your point. Reading through these threads, most posters are upset with reclassed 16yo competing with 14 yo son for an opportunity to play D1 lacrosse. Me too. Frankly, the system as it is rewards the older, reclassed kid with little downside other than cost. Enforcing age restrictions at the youth level, thereby forcing older kids to play out of class, makes kindergarten holdbacks a little more painful-no friends on team, car pools for Mom, or social hour with fellow parents at tourneys. 4yr HS restriction would curb reclassers by forcing another year of youth ball. Choosing 2-3 practices a week and higher costs for a year of physical growth over 5 practices, better competition and coaching becomes a much more difficult decision.
It is not perfect, but it would be a start.
I read in another thread where the [lacrosse]'s Sporting Goods Tournament of Champions is requiring birth certificates to enforce age restrictions. Couple youth age restrictions with 4yr limitations for HS players and you will go a long way toward resolving reclassing issues.
It would neither prevent the kindergarten holdbacks, nor the 8th grade reclassers, but it would eliminate some advantages. Right now, an old 4th grader would still play with his classmates. Age restrictions would force him to play with the 5th grade teams. Additionally, many reclassed 8th graders play JV (or varsity) to continue their development. If these players were forced to play another year of youth, it would make this a less attractive option.
In the end, it really won't matter as far a recruiting goes because at the college level the coaches are still going to recruit the oldest players for their freshman class. Additionally, I will predict there will be more red shirts and pgs like the old days. It's not like the top colleges will fill their freshman classes with younger kids. They'll just say we want you if you pg.
My point is that all those measures will even the playing field for entering freshman in high school. Just be careful what you wish for. Just remember that for those with late birthdays that fall AFTER they enter high school, let's say Aug-Nov, they will be a 17 yr old college freshman. College coaches will bypass the 13/14 yr old h.s. freshman when they become seniors all day long. We will hear more of "we're interested but you're just too young, do a pg yr and the spot is yours".
VaLaxDad,
Thank you for your post. To add another conclusion to what you wrote: the coaches in this sport are dumb to extrapolate that the same 16 year old will dominate over a 14 year old today will dominate as a 20 year old against 18 year olds...or a 23 year old versus 21 is a big mistake. At 14 you are not close to growing or putting on a frame. At 16 it gets closer, and at 18 you are what you will be. At 18 and up it is all about hitting the weights and other training to get stronger and faster with the body you have.
I don't think it is a mistake to generalize the held back a grade kids at 16 are generally athletic advantage motivated. Those kids tend to be undersized for their sports and lock down an immediate advantage to compete against kids 12-23 months younger during a growth phase for boys. That disappears over time. In 5 years with UNC and UVa you will be see 6 players at 5'7, 150 kids from Maryland or New England prep schools throwing the ball around and running away from poles and losing. Danowski is likely laughing and encouraging the parent inquiries he gets to those to programs.
Generally all the early commits have great stick skills relative to their peers now, most of whom are behind only because of age. Stick skills you can get, that is just hours of practice. Size is non negotiable and changes everything. When we someday see these kids playing in college, who do you want odds on? A first team midfield at Duke with a fleet of 6'2 200+lb hybrids that can run and have stick skills caught up, or a fleet of kids who were 5'7 130lb early commits who became 5'8 150lb prep school yesterday heroes? Yes, Duke will miss a Colin Munro, but they will also get 5 early commits who are not that one special player every year. You don't win that way.
Maybe an unit ended consequence for a minority, but the proposal is still an improvement to the status quo. This is a non issue in DMV, because school cut off is Sept 30.
All in all better for a 17 yo to compete with an 18 yo than a 14 yo with an 16 yo.
I don't understand your point. Reading through these threads, most posters are upset with reclassed 16yo competing with 14 yo son for an opportunity to play D1 lacrosse. Me too. Frankly, the system as it is rewards the older, reclassed kid with little downside other than cost. Enforcing age restrictions at the youth level, thereby forcing older kids to play out of class, makes kindergarten holdbacks a little more painful-no friends on team, car pools for Mom, or social hour with fellow parents at tourneys. 4yr HS restriction would curb reclassers by forcing another year of youth ball. Choosing 2-3 practices a week and higher costs for a year of physical growth over 5 practices, better competition and coaching becomes a much more difficult decision.
It is not perfect, but it would be a start.
I read in another thread where the [lacrosse]'s Sporting Goods Tournament of Champions is requiring birth certificates to enforce age restrictions. Couple youth age restrictions with 4yr limitations for HS players and you will go a long way toward resolving reclassing issues.
It would neither prevent the kindergarten holdbacks, nor the 8th grade reclassers, but it would eliminate some advantages. Right now, an old 4th grader would still play with his classmates. Age restrictions would force him to play with the 5th grade teams. Additionally, many reclassed 8th graders play JV (or varsity) to continue their development. If these players were forced to play another year of youth, it would make this a less attractive option.
In the end, it really won't matter as far a recruiting goes because at the college level the coaches are still going to recruit the oldest players for their freshman class. Additionally, I will predict there will be more red shirts and pgs like the old days. It's not like the top colleges will fill their freshman classes with younger kids. They'll just say we want you if you pg.
My point is that all those measures will even the playing field for entering freshman in high school. Just be careful what you wish for. Just remember that for those with late birthdays that fall AFTER they enter high school, let's say Aug-Nov, they will be a 17 yr old college freshman. College coaches will bypass the 13/14 yr old h.s. freshman when they become seniors all day long. We will hear more of "we're interested but you're just too young, do a pg yr and the spot is yours".
So you are saying an 13/14 year old HS freshman M who is 6-0 and 170 has a weaker chance over a 15 year old 5-7 155 pounder?
The discussion has been about age but physical characteristics comes into play as well.
My point is that all those measures will even the playing field for entering freshman in high school. Just be careful what you wish for. Just remember that for those with late birthdays that fall AFTER they enter high school, let's say Aug-Nov, they will be a 17 yr old college freshman. College coaches will bypass the 13/14 yr old h.s. freshman when they become seniors all day long. We will hear more of "we're interested but you're just too young, do a pg yr and the spot is yours".
So in other words, because the scholarship money in D1 lacrosse is so low, coaches don't want to tie up money for 5 years like in football. Lacrosse coaches want manic lacrosse parents to pay for a redshirt year at a prep school. One way is to repeat 8th grade or 9th grade, another way is do a PG year.
Maybe the college coaches are reading this thread and laughing at us, the outrage over kids repeating grades and all. We are basically underwriting their unwillingness to redshirt kids like in football for the same reason...they want kids on the weights and more physically mature for the 4 years they play. Has anyone asked a college coach for their son this: "He is a good student, so there is not an academic reason to do this. Will you take him and designate him as a redshirt freshman when he arrives?" Now here is the test: if your kid really is a very special lacrosse prodigy, who has the leverage? I have to admit, didn't occur to me until reading the latest thoughtful comments including the one above.
We're idiots.
I'm not sure how your concern relates to the proposal. The situation that you describe exists today at the HS level, only it is worse because the comparison "Freshman" may be 16 yo. The proposal would not effect those seeking PG yrs- the late bloomers (Rob Pannell, for example). PG is a real option, the offer's exist as you describe, and, for a late bloomer, they represent a real opportunity vs. none at all.
You may have a legitimate concern at the youth level since states have varying school year cut offs, and currently NY is 3 months out of alignment with the USLacrosse age guidelines. Not sure how to resolve, but I think the proposal still has merit and is better than the status quo.
I'm not sure how your concern relates to the proposal. The situation that you describe exists today at the HS level, only it is worse because the comparison "Freshman" may be 16 yo. The proposal would not effect those seeking PG yrs- the late bloomers (Rob Pannell, for example). PG is a real option, the offer's exist as you describe, and, for a late bloomer, they represent a real opportunity vs. none at all.
You may have a legitimate concern at the youth level since states have varying school year cut offs, and currently NY is 3 months out of alignment with the USLacrosse age guidelines. Not sure how to resolve, but I think the proposal still has merit and is better than the status quo.
Don't you have a job? All you do is post around the Internet on multiple forums bragging about your son's Madlax team. Weird.
Maybe an unit ended consequence for a minority, but the proposal is still an improvement to the status quo. This is a non issue in DMV, because school cut off is Sept 30.
All in all better for a 17 yo to compete with an 18 yo than a 14 yo with an 16 yo.
My school cutoff is dec 1, not sept 1. And not for nothing but your 17yo college freshman would not only be competing with 18 year old but possibly 23 and 24 yr olds as was evidenced last season.
Interesting analysis, but, again, not a real consequence of the proposal to limit youth to age and HS to 4 yrs as a way of discouraging reclassers.
For me, it comes down to opportunity. Lax is a non-revenue sport at the collegiate level, particularly D1. There's not, and will not be in the near future, the $$ that exists in football and basketball. As such, redshirting and generous scholarships are the exception. In general, this is true of all non-revenue sports. Because of early recruiting, the PG year provides an opportunity to those late bloomers that doesn't otherwise exist.
The opportunity to gain admission to a quality university, defray some of the costs while working toward a goal, learning to compete and having fun are worthwhile pursuits in my book.
I believe my son will prevail on a level paying field. As it is, in the current D1 recruiting environment, that field is not level.
You can play a revenue sport instead, work within the realities of the current lax system, or try to effect change. As the parent of a 7th grader facing the real prospect of competing with reclassed kid for these precious opportunities, I would like to see change. I would like to build consensus on Boards like this to begin making a difference.
All Said, I welcome criticism, comment or friendly amendments.
Absent real change, "beating them" as it would be, I might just "join 'em" by reclassing my son too!
My point is that all those measures will even the playing field for entering freshman in high school. Just be careful what you wish for. Just remember that for those with late birthdays that fall AFTER they enter high school, let's say Aug-Nov, they will be a 17 yr old college freshman. College coaches will bypass the 13/14 yr old h.s. freshman when they become seniors all day long. We will hear more of "we're interested but you're just too young, do a pg yr and the spot is yours".
So in other words, because the scholarship money in D1 lacrosse is so low, coaches don't want to tie up money for 5 years like in football. Lacrosse coaches want manic lacrosse parents to pay for a redshirt year at a prep school. One way is to repeat 8th grade or 9th grade, another way is do a PG year.
Maybe the college coaches are reading this thread and laughing at us, the outrage over kids repeating grades and all. We are basically underwriting their unwillingness to redshirt kids like in football for the same reason...they want kids on the weights and more physically mature for the 4 years they play. Has anyone asked a college coach for their son this: "He is a good student, so there is not an academic reason to do this. Will you take him and designate him as a redshirt freshman when he arrives?" Now here is the test: if your kid really is a very special lacrosse prodigy, who has the leverage? I have to admit, didn't occur to me until reading the latest thoughtful comments including the one above.
We're idiots.
Example of what's wrong with America! Easy to criticize, hard to do something.
Have fun following my other posts!
I'm not sure how your concern relates to the proposal. The situation that you describe exists today at the HS level, only it is worse because the comparison "Freshman" may be 16 yo. The proposal would not effect those seeking PG yrs- the late bloomers (Rob Pannell, for example). PG is a real option, the offer's exist as you describe, and, for a late bloomer, they represent a real opportunity vs. none at all.
You may have a legitimate concern at the youth level since states have varying school year cut offs, and currently NY is 3 months out of alignment with the USLacrosse age guidelines. Not sure how to resolve, but I think the proposal still has merit and is better than the status quo.
Don't you have a job? All you do is post around the Internet on multiple forums bragging about your son's Madlax team. Weird.
As a point for discussion. There was a UNC commit today who's a 2016 reclassified, his brother committed last week to Hopkins and is a 2017 reclassified. Away from is this right or wrong.
How does a kid who got minimal attention in his original grade get so much better by doing nothing more than repeating a grade?
Are they better, or do they SHOW better?
It seems to me there will come time to pay the piper, and I assume it will be when the maturity playing field balances out in HS or early in college.
I'm starting to think the coaches really don't know what their doing. And maybe as a previous post states Duke is laughing all the way to the finals. The results speak for themselves, Hopkins and Virginia missed the tournament last year, UNC hasn't been to final 4 in 20 years.
No hate toward the boys, just interested to discuss the results of all this madness.
Don't you have a job? All you do is post around the Internet on multiple forums bragging about your son's Madlax team. Weird.
Easy now with the personal attacks. I don't think this VaLaxGuy has done anything but put some constructive info on this thread.
After all, you posted during the 9-5. Put the donut down and step away from the keyboard, sir, no one needs to get hurt here.
As a point for discussion. There was a UNC commit today who's a 2016 reclassified, his brother committed last week to Hopkins and is a 2017 reclassified. Away from is this right or wrong.
How does a kid who got minimal attention in his original grade get so much better by doing nothing more than repeating a grade?
Are they better, or do they SHOW better?
It seems to me there will come time to pay the piper, and I assume it will be when the maturity playing field balances out in HS or early in college.
I'm starting to think the coaches really don't know what their doing. And maybe as a previous post states Duke is laughing all the way to the finals. The results speak for themselves, Hopkins and Virginia missed the tournament last year, UNC hasn't been to final 4 in 20 years.
No hate toward the boys, just interested to discuss the results of all this madness.
Have had many of the same thoughts. Since kids are committing now so much earlier than even 4/5 years ago (starting first half of freshman year now, over 100 2016s already committed as well at first half of their sophomore year) there is no data yet to support if early recruting correlates to college rankings/success. Will continue to be an interesting debate until there is more conclusive data or the NCAA grows a pair and slows the early recruting thing down.
Well, consider this. Many of these early recruits are from affluent areas, or have reclassified at private schools - I understand not all - just using a wide brush here - maybe these parents have essentially demonstrated that at the college level, cost will not be an issue. So scholarship money is not the most prevalant reason nor should it be i understand, but a college coach having this conversation with someone from a very affluent area, and is able to afford the college without financial assistance of any kind, athletic, academic, financial aid - I have to think his bursar's office will be pleased that he has 3-4 kids on the team that are paying 95% of the full price tag... When a 2017 early commits from Amityville or Freeport then it gets interesting... Again, broad strokes, I am sure it is not the case with every case or situation... I don't live in one of the most affluent towns either, so I apologize Iam not putting down A'ville or F'port - just using examples
I'm not sure how your concern relates to the proposal. The situation that you describe exists today at the HS level, only it is worse because the comparison "Freshman" may be 16 yo. The proposal would not effect those seeking PG yrs- the late bloomers (Rob Pannell, for example). PG is a real option, the offer's exist as you describe, and, for a late bloomer, they represent a real opportunity vs. none at all.
You may have a legitimate concern at the youth level since states have varying school year cut offs, and currently NY is 3 months out of alignment with the USLacrosse age guidelines. Not sure how to resolve, but I think the proposal still has merit and is better than the status quo.
Don't you have a job? All you do is post around the Internet on multiple forums bragging about your son's Madlax team. Weird.
And you spend all day reading the above mentioned forums...weird
Pardon the interruption...for those who experienced Brine. Who coaches the teams at the summer camp? Dont need names, just HS coaches, College, or?? Do they keep that coach the entire camp? Did they practice (with that coach or someone else?) as a team before attending the camp in the summer? Thanks
Please consult with Brine or their web site for your answers. As the Brine director opted not to partner with BOTC for this year's event, we have provided this event with more than enough air time to have questions answered to this obviously flawed event.
BOTC wanted to be part of the process on behalf of Long Islanders and regional players to shed some light on the overall process however the Brine director chose to go in another direction.
Now, it is time for the Brine folks to be the direct recipients of your questions.
Earlier today, BOTC was part of a one hour teleconference with Joel Franklin from the Brine National Lacrosse Classic to discuss many of the questions that have appeared here on the message boards. Discussions ranged from the tryout game plan to the evaluators and their selection process.
BOTC will share this information with our readers in the upcoming posts.
Brine National Lacrosse Classic Tryout Agenda ![[Linked Image]](https://www.backofthecage.com/images/Brine National Lacrosse Classic.png)
Brine National Lacrosse Classic - Evaluators
The following individuals were the evaluators for the Long Island player selection process. Additional individual might have been helping to administer individual training stations however they were not involved in the selection process according to event organizers.
Jim Konen
Chris Roberts
Mike Hungerford
Kieran O'Brien
Steven Romano
John Reicherter
Tyler Begley
Michael Malave
Jeff Atlas
Ryan Kuhn
Chris Schreiber
Daniel Steigert
Tom Rooney
Emile Caiazza
Greg Foster
Al Escalante
Joe Thon
Great info from Brine - Thanks for advocating Sage
Is similar available for the Middle School tryout?
Brine National Lacrosse Classic - Selection Process
The Brine regional tryout and selection process is standardized as follows:
1. Limit the total number of players
2. 3 hour time limit
3. No player data provided to coaches
4. Jersey numbers are not pre-assigned
5. 10:1 player coach ratio
6. Divide players by positions in to smaller team groups
7. Rotate team groups to drill stations: 1v1, 2v3, 4v4, half field and full field transition
8. Assign evaluators to drill stations
9. Provide evaluators with master player check in list to contain position and jersey number only
10. High school coaches cannot vote for their own players or biological children
11. Player selection is by unanimous vote
Here's a potential problem with the very early commits we are seeing. The kids (and they are kids still) have an expectation both athletically and academically to continue to be a top prospect for the next 4 years of high school. Admit it or not, it is a lot of pressure for most to handle. When they leave high school the real pressure cooker starts. Division 1 athletics is a grind - and yes I know from personal experience. It is very rewarding but it is ultimately a full time job along with studies. So a kid who commits to a top school in 9th grade has 4 years that he has to "perform" because he is expected to as an early commit and then has to continue on an even bigger stage with better, stronger competition. Overall that's 8 years of a tough grind. I know some kids handle it fine, but I would think for others the idea of an early commit and "now I don't have to worry" is shortsighted. You have to ask yourself and your son " Are we committing just to say we committed or are we committing because the school, the program, the offer is everything we could hope for and more? Just one man's thoughts.
Really well thought out, I could not agree more. The "paper chase" of a D1 scholarship is fleeting. No matter what these kids need to keep their grades up because it is their grades that will determine where they go and BTW lots of these schools give more merit aid based on their grades than they may get from a 1/4 D1 scholarship.
Great info from Brine - Thanks for advocating Sage
Is similar available for the Middle School tryout?
Apologies however we do not have any additional material exclusively targeted at Middle School players, but the subject did come up during our teleconference. We did discuss the fact that Grades 6 through 8 were grouped together which might have fed some of the posts that you have seen here on BOTC with younger players facing players 24+ months older in the Middle School bracket. This is something that the event will look into potentially changing going forward.
While the MS bracket is open to 6th-8th grade players, it takes a VERY special player to make this sort of team as a 6th grader. The tryout should be open to these players.
Shame on the 6th grade parents who bring their children to this and then complain that the 8th graders are too old, too big and too strong. Parents should know better.
Great info from Brine - Thanks for advocating Sage
Is similar available for the Middle School tryout?
Apologies however we do not have any additional material exclusively targeted at Middle School players, but the subject did come up during our teleconference. We did discuss the fact that Grades 6 through 8 were grouped together which might have fed some of the posts that you have seen here on BOTC with younger players facing players 24+ months older in the Middle School bracket. This is something that the event will look into potentially changing going forward.
I'm not sure how your concern relates to the proposal. The situation that you describe exists today at the HS level, only it is worse because the comparison "Freshman" may be 16 yo. The proposal would not effect those seeking PG yrs- the late bloomers (Rob Pannell, for example). PG is a real option, the offer's exist as you describe, and, for a late bloomer, they represent a real opportunity vs. none at all.
You may have a legitimate concern at the youth level since states have varying school year cut offs, and currently NY is 3 months out of alignment with the USLacrosse age guidelines. Not sure how to resolve, but I think the proposal still has merit and is better than the status quo.
Don't you have a job? All you do is post around the Internet on multiple forums bragging about your son's Madlax team. Weird.
And you spend all day reading the above mentioned forums...weird
Actually, I don't. But whenever I come to this forum (and others), I see that guy posting all the time, so I assume he must visit/post on these boards every day. Bizarre, but I guess some guys live their lives through their kids. I guess he doesn't mind that the Madlax owner is a nightmare.
Now the agenda is clear.
For others, I don't use this screen name anywhere else.
Let's try the Golden Rule, shall we? Anything of substance to add?
I'm not sure how your concern relates to the proposal. The situation that you describe exists today at the HS level, only it is worse because the comparison "Freshman" may be 16 yo. The proposal would not effect those seeking PG yrs- the late bloomers (Rob Pannell, for example). PG is a real option, the offer's exist as you describe, and, for a late bloomer, they represent a real opportunity vs. none at all.
You may have a legitimate concern at the youth level since states have varying school year cut offs, and currently NY is 3 months out of alignment with the USLacrosse age guidelines. Not sure how to resolve, but I think the proposal still has merit and is better than the status quo.
Don't you have a job? All you do is post around the Internet on multiple forums bragging about your son's Madlax team. Weird.
And you spend all day reading the above mentioned forums...weird
Actually, I don't. But whenever I come to this forum (and others), I see that guy posting all the time, so I assume he must visit/post on these boards every day. Bizarre, but I guess some guys live their lives through their kids. I guess he doesn't mind that the Madlax owner is a nightmare.
Now the agenda is clear.
For others, I don't use this screen name anywhere else.
Let's try the Golden Rule, shall we? Anything of substance to add?
I'm not sure how your concern relates to the proposal. The situation that you describe exists today at the HS level, only it is worse because the comparison "Freshman" may be 16 yo. The proposal would not effect those seeking PG yrs- the late bloomers (Rob Pannell, for example). PG is a real option, the offer's exist as you describe, and, for a late bloomer, they represent a real opportunity vs. none at all.
You may have a legitimate concern at the youth level since states have varying school year cut offs, and currently NY is 3 months out of alignment with the USLacrosse age guidelines. Not sure how to resolve, but I think the proposal still has merit and is better than the status quo.
Don't you have a job? All you do is post around the Internet on multiple forums bragging about your son's Madlax team. Weird.
And you spend all day reading the above mentioned forums...weird
Actually, I don't. But whenever I come to this forum (and others), I see that guy posting all the time, so I assume he must visit/post on these boards every day. Bizarre, but I guess some guys live their lives through their kids. I guess he doesn't mind that the Madlax owner is a nightmare.
Just observing that seemingly every one of your posts is an apology for the Madlax owner's behavior. What are you going to do when your son leaves the nest?
Yawn, Mr Anon. I have not excused his behavior. Quote me, since you have all day to research my posts.
I have been transparent in my intentions. How about you?
Now the agenda is clear.
For others, I don't use this screen name anywhere else.
Let's try the Golden Rule, shall we? Anything of substance to add?
I'm not sure how your concern relates to the proposal. The situation that you describe exists today at the HS level, only it is worse because the comparison "Freshman" may be 16 yo. The proposal would not effect those seeking PG yrs- the late bloomers (Rob Pannell, for example). PG is a real option, the offer's exist as you describe, and, for a late bloomer, they represent a real opportunity vs. none at all.
You may have a legitimate concern at the youth level since states have varying school year cut offs, and currently NY is 3 months out of alignment with the USLacrosse age guidelines. Not sure how to resolve, but I think the proposal still has merit and is better than the status quo.
Don't you have a job? All you do is post around the Internet on multiple forums bragging about your son's Madlax team. Weird.
And you spend all day reading the above mentioned forums...weird
Actually, I don't. But whenever I come to this forum (and others), I see that guy posting all the time, so I assume he must visit/post on these boards every day. Bizarre, but I guess some guys live their lives through their kids. I guess he doesn't mind that the Madlax owner is a nightmare.
Just observing that seemingly every one of your posts is an apology for the Madlax owner's behavior. What are you going to do when your son leaves the nest?
My guess is the team Mr Anon's son plays for was beaten badly by MadLax...he is bitter and now will complain about older players, unfair advantages...blah, blah, blah...
How are all the LONG ISLAND 2017 Teams Looking?
Express Orange
Team 91A
True Blue
fl$
Jesters
Team Long Island
Outlaws
Be the Best
Tomahawks
Checkmate
Millon Force
Recon
Pride
How are all the LONG ISLAND 2017 Teams Looking?
Express Orange
Team 91A
True Blue
fl$
Jesters
Team Long Island
Outlaws
Be the Best
Tomahawks
Checkmate
Millon Force
Recon
Pride
From a NJ person from what I saw in Fall tournaments:
- Turtles
- Team 91
- Express Orange
- everyone else
No way Express Orange is #1. In fact, all but Turtles had a few to several loses this Fall.
How are all the LONG ISLAND 2017 Teams Looking?
Express Orange
Team 91A
True Blue
fl$
Jesters
Team Long Island
Outlaws
Be the Best
Tomahawks
Checkmate
Millon Force
Recon
Pride
From a NJ person from what I saw in Fall tournaments:
- Turtles
- Team 91
- Express Orange
- everyone else
No way Express Orange is #1. In fact, all but Turtles had a few to several loses this Fall.
Turtles were not unbeaten.
Hey, maybe they can all battle it out at the Hershey Chocolate Shootout or some other kindergarten tournament??? Seriously guys, time to grow up, they are 14yrs old now. No coaches care if you run around dressed in your ninja turtle garanimals, claim to play solely "for the love of the game", or you're a pumlin-colored terp, a scary outlaw, a court jester or the big bad wolf. Focus on going to some showcase/ prospect camps ... and wear your high school helmet.
How are all the LONG ISLAND 2017 Teams Looking?
Express Orange
Team 91A
True Blue
fl$
Jesters
Team Long Island
Outlaws
Be the Best
Tomahawks
Checkmate
Millon Force
Recon
Pride
From a NJ person from what I saw in Fall tournaments:
- Turtles
- Team 91
- Express Orange
- everyone else
No way Express Orange is #1. In fact, all but Turtles had a few to several loses this Fall.
Turtles were not unbeaten.
Years of entitlement are catching up to that team. They've already witnessed some defections. Just a matter of time before they blow up.
Years of entitlement are catching up to that team. They've already witnessed some defections. Just a matter of time before they blow up.
The Yankees will rebuild again don't worry.
Focus on going to some showcase/ prospect camps ... and wear your high school helmet.
Great advice about where to focus energy.
I think the helmet comment is an actual up in the air question. I've been told that whichever affiliation helped you along/recommended you for the showcase/camp it is that assocation that you should represent at the showcase.
If your club directors/coaches provided your Blue Chip recommend you should sport their colors when you attend. If it was your HS coach then wear HS colors.
Years of entitlement are catching up to that team. They've already witnessed some defections. Just a matter of time before they blow up.
Why do you care?
Focus on going to some showcase/ prospect camps ... and wear your high school helmet.
Great advice about where to focus energy.
I think the helmet comment is an actual up in the air question. I've been told that whichever affiliation helped you along/recommended you for the showcase/camp it is that assocation that you should represent at the showcase.
If your club directors/coaches provided your Blue Chip recommend you should sport their colors when you attend. If it was your HS coach then wear HS colors.
Many years back, the Eastern New [lacrosse] State Soccer Association sponsored summer elite tournament teams which had a spring-time selection process. (These have since been overrun by year-'round club and premier teams.) Anyway, the tryouts for these teams were very competitive at the time and players would wear crazy neon socks and mismatched outfits just to stand out from the crowd. Bottom line : No one was ever selected based on their apparel.
Same argument applies here. Stop worrying about the name on the helmet and spend more time focused on the quality of play at these showcase events. The rest will indeed take care of itself. Lacrosse has a great advantage over many youths sports with individualized combine/showcases.
Not saying helmet is something to worry about. The suggestion about helmet is less about the player and more about recognizing where you come from and returning a favor to the people who helped you. It is not the same as the neon sock situation you describe.
If you get into an event with help from a recommendation and are an all-star or MVP, or just play better than the defender or attackman standing next to you, you will get the question "Where did you get those skills?" the answer is on your helmet.
I am not suggesting the player owes anything to his club or HS, I am suggesting that recognizing your coaches is the right thing to do.
The chest thumping by 2017 club parents is providing insight to 2019-2023 parents as to where they should send their boys to develop.
Focus on going to some showcase/ prospect camps ... and wear your high school helmet.
Great advice about where to focus energy.
I think the helmet comment is an actual up in the air question. I've been told that whichever affiliation helped you along/recommended you for the showcase/camp it is that assocation that you should represent at the showcase.
If your club directors/coaches provided your Blue Chip recommend you should sport their colors when you attend. If it was your HS coach then wear HS colors.
Many years back, the Eastern New [lacrosse] State Soccer Association sponsored summer elite tournament teams which had a spring-time selection process. (These have since been overrun by year-'round club and premier teams.) Anyway, the tryouts for these teams were very competitive at the time and players would wear crazy neon socks and mismatched outfits just to stand out from the crowd. Bottom line : No one was ever selected based on their apparel.
Same argument applies here. Stop worrying about the name on the helmet and spend more time focused on the quality of play at these showcase events. The rest will indeed take care of itself. Lacrosse has a great advantage over many youths sports with individualized combine/showcases.
Agreed. The LI 2017 parents on this forum are out of whack and insecure.
Not saying helmet is something to worry about. The suggestion about helmet is less about the player and more about recognizing where you come from and returning a favor to the people who helped you. It is not the same as the neon sock situation you describe.
If you get into an event with help from a recommendation and are an all-star or MVP, or just play better than the defender or attackman standing next to you, you will get the question "Where did you get those skills?" the answer is on your helmet.
I am not suggesting the player owes anything to his club or HS, I am suggesting that recognizing your coaches is the right thing to do.
The chest thumping by 2017 club parents is providing insight to 2019-2023 parents as to where they should send their boys to develop.
Focus on going to some showcase/ prospect camps ... and wear your high school helmet.
Great advice about where to focus energy.
I think the helmet comment is an actual up in the air question. I've been told that whichever affiliation helped you along/recommended you for the showcase/camp it is that assocation that you should represent at the showcase.
If your club directors/coaches provided your Blue Chip recommend you should sport their colors when you attend. If it was your HS coach then wear HS colors.
Many years back, the Eastern New [lacrosse] State Soccer Association sponsored summer elite tournament teams which had a spring-time selection process. (These have since been overrun by year-'round club and premier teams.) Anyway, the tryouts for these teams were very competitive at the time and players would wear crazy neon socks and mismatched outfits just to stand out from the crowd. Bottom line : No one was ever selected based on their apparel.
Same argument applies here. Stop worrying about the name on the helmet and spend more time focused on the quality of play at these showcase events. The rest will indeed take care of itself. Lacrosse has a great advantage over many youths sports with individualized combine/showcases.
Since this is a 2017 post,I don't think that the HS coaches have had anything to do with helping to develop the players.
How many 8th graders played on the varsity last year.
The college coaches do not care what helmet you have on or what HS you will go to. If you perform well in front of them they will take notice.
Years of entitlement are catching up to that team. They've already witnessed some defections. Just a matter of time before they blow up.
The Yankees will rebuild again don't worry.
Really? Where you getting players from? Its OVER. There is something like 15 players that are 2017 players verbally committed already. And not ONE Turtle. Everyone thought Turtles would all go first, enjoy some humble pie with the rest of us.
Years of entitlement are catching up to that team. They've already witnessed some defections. Just a matter of time before they blow up.
The Yankees will rebuild again don't worry.
Really? Where you getting players from? Its OVER. There is something like 15 players that are 2017 players verbally committed already. And not ONE Turtle. Everyone thought Turtles would all go first, enjoy some humble pie with the rest of us.
All going IVY...wait and see hater
All going IVY...wait and see hater
Sigh.
All going Ivy.......yeah right. Keep drinking the juice!!!
Actually 2 went, didn't they? Just left the program this year I beieve...so much jealousy against the Turtles.
Actually 2 went, didn't they? Just left the program this year I beieve...so much jealousy against the Turtles.
More than two left the turtles this season, one is commited and other player will commit soon. They aren't Turtles. Play for 91. Not jealousy, you Turtle folks made this hate years ago, your coaches helped.
Actually 2 went, didn't they? Just left the program this year I beieve...so much jealousy against the Turtles.
Two went? One went to 91 and just committed and the other left top of LAST season to other express team and he isn't committed yet.
All going IVY...wait and see hater
Sigh.
"All" is some strong language...........
Actually 2 went, didn't they? Just left the program this year I beieve...so much jealousy against the Turtles.
More than two left the turtles this season, one is commited and other player will commit soon. They aren't Turtles. Play for 91. Not jealousy, you Turtle folks made this hate years ago, your coaches helped.
Why did would they leave the Turtles? ( Serious question... aren't they the top team for 2017?)
I find this very surprising and disappointing if there are kids leaving the Turtles. I am a MD dad, and I must say the Turtles were unquestionably the finest 2017 team we saw last Summer and they were the only team that looks polished and together this Fall. They play great lacrosse and had a lot of very good looking players insofar as recruiting. If something that good can't stay on, there must be really something wrong in our sport. The Turtles parents and the Turtles coaches being this negative and that negative...bla-hooey I say. All high flight 2017 club teams have crazy parents and crazier club owners, including ours.
It's not jealousy. It's pity.
I find this very surprising and disappointing if there are kids leaving the Turtles. I am a MD dad, and I must say the Turtles were unquestionably the finest 2017 team we saw last Summer and they were the only team that looks polished and together this Fall. They play great lacrosse and had a lot of very good looking players insofar as recruiting. If something that good can't stay on, there must be really something wrong in our sport. The Turtles parents and the Turtles coaches being this negative and that negative...bla-hooey I say. All high flight 2017 club teams have crazy parents and crazier club owners, including ours.
Hi, Turtle Dad.
Years of entitlement are catching up to that team. They've already witnessed some defections. Just a matter of time before they blow up.
The Yankees will rebuild again don't worry.
Really? Where you getting players from? Its OVER. There is something like 15 players that are 2017 players verbally committed already. And not ONE Turtle. Everyone thought Turtles would all go first, enjoy some humble pie with the rest of us.
All going IVY...wait and see hater
Saving this post for the archives ...
Hi, Turtle Dad. [/quote]
Merry XMas from a Madlax Dad. Wow, you LI guys are precious. No wonder the NY Jets can still sell out games. You like being miserable.
Actually 2 went, didn't they? Just left the program this year I beieve...so much jealousy against the Turtles.
Two went? One went to 91 and just committed and the other left top of LAST season to other express team and he isn't committed yet.
yes, 2 went, plus the other from last season
Just like some other boys, turtles have options on the table . Nothing taken yet.
Merry XMas from a Madlax Dad. Wow, you LI guys are precious. No wonder the NY Jets can still sell out games. You like being miserable. [/quote]
awright...that's hitting below the belt!
:-)
Actually 2 went, didn't they? Just left the program this year I beieve...so much jealousy against the Turtles.
Two went? One went to 91 and just committed and the other left top of LAST season to other express team and he isn't committed yet.
yes, 2 went, plus the other from last season
4 turtles total over last year left
3 to 91
one to HS ball only
One 91 from turtles committed, other two going to two different IVY schools AFAIK with commits pending whatever...blah blah blah
two kids left both csh kids. one to virginia and one to ivy. done. both good kids. was there a third?
two kids left both csh kids. one to virginia and one to ivy. done. both good kids. was there a third?
not in the turtle loop r ya?
two kids left both csh kids. one to virginia and one to ivy. done. both good kids. was there a third?
No 2017 is committed to an Ivy. Try again.
Why are goalies less likely to early commit? The 2016 class still have relatively fewer commits, and there are no 2017 commits.
While I believe the Turtles are a great Team, I think they try to recruit as a Team. Therefore I don't think many of them go out by themselves. I might be wrong, but they follow the Coach. Time will tell if they made the correct move. A couple more LI Verbals from lesser Teams and the panic alarms will go off.
I thought they were all going Ivy
two kids left both csh kids. one to virginia and one to ivy. done. both good kids. was there a third?
No 2017 is committed to an Ivy. Try again.
You just aren't in the "know"....if only you were.
Well, wait until Feb 1st...then you can eat your unkowkedgable words.
Ignorance. It's a crime.
two kids left both csh kids. one to virginia and one to ivy. done. both good kids. was there a third?
No 2017 is committed to an Ivy. Try again.
You just aren't in the "know"....if only you were.
Well, wait until Feb 1st...then you can eat your unkowkedgable words.
Ignorance. It's a crime.
Get over yourself a little and read on please. Our son was given the nod he has a bespoke spot on two Ivy rosters if he meets certain AI criteria to be eligible for a "commit to the admissions process" spot. It is one year of grades. We were told that the athletic directors in the league insist on the calculus being the same, and being shared by the ADs in the league. A checks and balances.
Ivy league ADs have colluded to say if a kid does not meet an AI range, you can't recruit him at all. Then their are tiers to the AI ranges and coaches in each sport are only given per diem for kids at the bottom of the ranges. Some programs won't even bother with your kid if he is less than a 200 or a 190...there are enough good lacrosse or other sport players out there with AI scores in the higher ranges so that the coaches don't need to go to the 180s or lower ranges if allowed to bring in a lacrosse or ice hockey ringer.
So here is the punchline: your very special 2017 player and my very special 2017 player will not be committing to an Ivy on Feb 1st unless you go wildcatting and announcing something stupid and misleading on your own. Because 9th graders don't have an AI score. The earliest point you can get one is after you kid gets a PSAT or equivalent standardized test score from the Fall of 2014 when he is a sophomore.
So, LI Dad, hurry up and get your son seated for the September 13, 2014 testing date which is the first one in the next academic year. I looked that up for you. You will get the scores back in 7-10 business days. I looked that up for you too, and you're welcome. And if all goes along perfect you can run to your mailbox each day this coming September and somewhere in late September you can really stick it to us and announce to the world that your son is committed to UPenn. We know that from the lunacy of your prior posts. From there, I wish that program and their coaches the best in dealing with you and your family for four years.
If you have no ideal about what an AI is, what it means, what the timeframes are for the data inputs to have one are, then there is someone very misinformed and it is not me. And learn to spell. It is "fail to acknowledge"....not "unkowkedgable" for your future blogging reference.
Frankly, if your panties are in a bunch over getting your kid committed, dial up SUNIJ, nee Rutgers, my bountifully waisted Philly bro. It does not seem like he has an Ivy league bloodline anyways.
Among the 2016s verbal commits totals for Ivy:
Brown 3, Cornell 7, UPenn 2 and Princeton 1.
Hardly and arms race for the year ahead of these 2017 kids and their families.
can someone please explain the selection process for 3d in florida and what to expect down there? just heard that there are limited spots to JR.
two kids left both csh kids. one to virginia and one to ivy. done. both good kids. was there a third?
No 2017 is committed to an Ivy. Try again.
You just aren't in the "know"....if only you were.
Well, wait until Feb 1st...then you can eat your unkowkedgable words.
Ignorance. It's a crime.
Get over yourself a little and read on please. Our son was given the nod he has a bespoke spot on two Ivy rosters if he meets certain AI criteria to be eligible for a "commit to the admissions process" spot. It is one year of grades. We were told that the athletic directors in the league insist on the calculus being the same, and being shared by the ADs in the league. A checks and balances.
Ivy league ADs have colluded to say if a kid does not meet an AI range, you can't recruit him at all. Then their are tiers to the AI ranges and coaches in each sport are only given per diem for kids at the bottom of the ranges. Some programs won't even bother with your kid if he is less than a 200 or a 190...there are enough good lacrosse or other sport players out there with AI scores in the higher ranges so that the coaches don't need to go to the 180s or lower ranges if allowed to bring in a lacrosse or ice hockey ringer.
So here is the punchline: your very special 2017 player and my very special 2017 player will not be committing to an Ivy on Feb 1st unless you go wildcatting and announcing something stupid and misleading on your own. Because 9th graders don't have an AI score. The earliest point you can get one is after you kid gets a PSAT or equivalent standardized test score from the Fall of 2014 when he is a sophomore.
So, LI Dad, hurry up and get your son seated for the September 13, 2014 testing date which is the first one in the next academic year. I looked that up for you. You will get the scores back in 7-10 business days. I looked that up for you too, and you're welcome. And if all goes along perfect you can run to your mailbox each day this coming September and somewhere in late September you can really stick it to us and announce to the world that your son is committed to UPenn. We know that from the lunacy of your prior posts. From there, I wish that program and their coaches the best in dealing with you and your family for four years.
If you have no ideal about what an AI is, what it means, what the timeframes are for the data inputs to have one are, then there is someone very misinformed and it is not me. And learn to spell. It is "fail to acknowledge"....not "unkowkedgable" for your future blogging reference.
Frankly, if your panties are in a bunch over getting your kid committed, dial up SUNIJ, nee Rutgers, my bountifully waisted Philly bro. It does not seem like he has an Ivy league bloodline anyways.
Very slick writing. How many iterations and versions did you have to go through to write that one??? Ever here of the Ivy Golden ticket? Most likely not. Every Ivy coach has 2-3 golden tickets he can use for outstanding players with average to above average grades and SAT's. Check it out, you'd be surprised. Kind of works along the same lines as members of certain "underrepresented groups". Ahh the Ivies... Why would you want your son to go to one of those Leftist, Stalinist infested cesspools anyway?
here is the lowdown on 3d. it is an excellent opportunity for you to measure your son against good competition. the camp is both instructional and well worth just the experience. your son is placed on an individual team who then practices and plays together throughout the camp. each team plays each other just like JR. evaluators are looking for the best team players not the ball hogs. found it to be fair and equal opportunity. good luck.
here is the lowdown on 3d. it is an excellent opportunity for you to measure your son against good competition. the camp is both instructional and well worth just the experience. your son is placed on an individual team who then practices and plays together throughout the camp. each team plays each other just like JR. evaluators are looking for the best team players not the ball hogs. found it to be fair and equal opportunity. good luck.
I don't know about fair and equal opportunity, lets not get carried away. There were two directors of premier Long Island travel programs down there last year coaching teams and lobbying for their own kids to get invites. Having said that, if your son stands out he has a 50/50 shot at getting an invite to the Jake Reed summer camp.
Outstanding rhetoric. Wait....here it comes......there!! "...."; the exact moment I stopped giving a c$@p about anything you went through the trouble to explain.
It's not Penn, btw; and please excuse the typo. Clearly none of us are as anal as you to research all of the possible needs to get into an IVY....then again...perhaps your child is not as special as you represent him to be, or you'd have been told how the AI can be and has been, let's say, modified for academically and athletically gifted players.
You, my self delusional and uptight friend, were let down easy so as to not hurt your feelings. You see; it's not easy for them to tell you any other way. Thus, the exquisitly long and painful diatribe on your part to inform us all of how hard it will be for YOUR kid to get in somewhere.
Fortunately, that's not always the case. For the right players, that is.
Now go take a Prozac and relax.
two kids left both csh kids. one to virginia and one to ivy. done. both good kids. was there a third?
No 2017 is committed to an Ivy. Try again.
You just aren't in the "know"....if only you were.
Well, wait until Feb 1st...then you can eat your unkowkedgable words.
Ignorance. It's a crime.
Get over yourself a little and read on please. Our son was given the nod he has a bespoke spot on two Ivy rosters if he meets certain AI criteria to be eligible for a "commit to the admissions process" spot. It is one year of grades. We were told that the athletic directors in the league insist on the calculus being the same, and being shared by the ADs in the league. A checks and balances.
Ivy league ADs have colluded to say if a kid does not meet an AI range, you can't recruit him at all. Then their are tiers to the AI ranges and coaches in each sport are only given per diem for kids at the bottom of the ranges. Some programs won't even bother with your kid if he is less than a 200 or a 190...there are enough good lacrosse or other sport players out there with AI scores in the higher ranges so that the coaches don't need to go to the 180s or lower ranges if allowed to bring in a lacrosse or ice hockey ringer.
So here is the punchline: your very special 2017 player and my very special 2017 player will not be committing to an Ivy on Feb 1st unless you go wildcatting and announcing something stupid and misleading on your own. Because 9th graders don't have an AI score. The earliest point you can get one is after you kid gets a PSAT or equivalent standardized test score from the Fall of 2014 when he is a sophomore.
So, LI Dad, hurry up and get your son seated for the September 13, 2014 testing date which is the first one in the next academic year. I looked that up for you. You will get the scores back in 7-10 business days. I looked that up for you too, and you're welcome. And if all goes along perfect you can run to your mailbox each day this coming September and somewhere in late September you can really stick it to us and announce to the world that your son is committed to UPenn. We know that from the lunacy of your prior posts. From there, I wish that program and their coaches the best in dealing with you and your family for four years.
If you have no ideal about what an AI is, what it means, what the timeframes are for the data inputs to have one are, then there is someone very misinformed and it is not me. And learn to spell. It is "fail to acknowledge"....not "unkowkedgable" for your future blogging reference.
Frankly, if your panties are in a bunch over getting your kid committed, dial up SUNIJ, nee Rutgers, my bountifully waisted Philly bro. It does not seem like he has an Ivy league bloodline anyways.
The below is from Tier1athletics.org - I have no idea the accuracy but from friend of mine with kids going through this it sounds pretty accurate, This is also interesting because it is not about lacrosse but about Ivy League recruiting,
"Interpreting the Academic Index Number for Ivy League Athletes"
We’re treading on dangerous ground here so I suppose I should start this with a big disclaimer. The number that you have calculated using the Academic Index calculator should only serve as a general guideline to help you plan your recruiting. Hitting certain numbers does not mean that you are assured of admission since many different factors go into determining admissibility.
The Academic Index is really a tool to evaluate large groups (teams, overall athletic cohort and entire student body.) That said, I think it’s helpful to be able to see where you stand in relation to other students and athletes.
Below are my interpretations of the strength of different AI ranges. These are based on interviews, articles and statements, but you should not consider them to be any sort of official guideline or standard.
Under 176
An Academic Index under 176 is below the minimum generally required to be recruited in the Ivy League.
177-190
I would classify AIs in this range as “possible”, but weak. Nationally known, big-time recruits in high profile sports may be okay with an AI in this range.
191-200
We’re getting closer to the comfort range. This is still on the weaker side, but scores in this range may be adequate for highly desirable athletes in certain programs.
201-210
This equates to about 1850 -1900 combined SAT and 3.5 unweighted GPA and should put a recruit on fairly solid academic footing. Teams that tend to attract kids with stronger academics may want a little bit more.
Over 210
This is really where you want to be. With an AI over 210, I think it’s pretty unlikely that academics will be a deal killer in your athletic recruiting.
here is the lowdown on 3d. it is an excellent opportunity for you to measure your son against good competition. the camp is both instructional and well worth just the experience. your son is placed on an individual team who then practices and plays together throughout the camp. each team plays each other just like JR. evaluators are looking for the best team players not the ball hogs. found it to be fair and equal opportunity. good luck.
I don't know about fair and equal opportunity, lets not get carried away. There were two directors of premier Long Island travel programs down there last year coaching teams and lobbying for their own kids to get invites. Having said that, if your son stands out he has a 50/50 shot at getting an invite to the Jake Reed summer camp.
I would agree with this assessment. At our session it was unseasonably cold and the two evaluators were huddled up in a golf cart and were not very attentive. Like anything where there is a lot of good players there is going to be some luck and variability as to who gets selected.
The below is from Tier1athletics.org - I have no idea the accuracy but from friend of mine with kids going through this it sounds pretty accurate, This is also interesting because it is not about lacrosse but about Ivy League recruiting,
"Interpreting the Academic Index Number for Ivy League Athletes"
We’re treading on dangerous ground here so I suppose I should start this with a big disclaimer. The number that you have calculated using the Academic Index calculator should only serve as a general guideline to help you plan your recruiting. Hitting certain numbers does not mean that you are assured of admission since many different factors go into determining admissibility.
The Academic Index is really a tool to evaluate large groups (teams, overall athletic cohort and entire student body.) That said, I think it’s helpful to be able to see where you stand in relation to other students and athletes.
Below are my interpretations of the strength of different AI ranges. These are based on interviews, articles and statements, but you should not consider them to be any sort of official guideline or standard.
Under 176
An Academic Index under 176 is below the minimum generally required to be recruited in the Ivy League.
177-190
I would classify AIs in this range as “possible”, but weak. Nationally known, big-time recruits in high profile sports may be okay with an AI in this range.
191-200
We’re getting closer to the comfort range. This is still on the weaker side, but scores in this range may be adequate for highly desirable athletes in certain programs.
201-210
This equates to about 1850 -1900 combined SAT and 3.5 unweighted GPA and should put a recruit on fairly solid academic footing. Teams that tend to attract kids with stronger academics may want a little bit more.
Over 210
This is really where you want to be. With an AI over 210, I think it’s pretty unlikely that academics will be a deal killer in your athletic recruiting.
Does anyone know how the AI is calculated? Looks like a combination of GPA and test scores but not sure about the calculation. Is there an AI calculation for ACT test takers?
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Does anyone know how the AI is calculated? Looks like a combination of GPA and test scores but not sure about the calculation. Is there an AI calculation for ACT test takers? [/quote]
Hi. I am the Dad who made the first reference to AI on this thread. The AI is not a number that is known to you. It is a proprietary formula that takes into account GPA, some premium for AP or Honors courses, standardized test scores and some other factors that are not disclosed or quantified for us the consumers. If you Google search, you will find a number of AI calculators. However, please also Google the NY Times articles on this topic and they are quite good to explain that the AI recipe is not given out and that most of the tools to calculate it on the internet are inaccurate.
My understanding from college coaches who are interested in the candidacy of my 2017 son is that the soonest there are viable inputs for there to be an AI output is in the sophomore year. What is given and is known is standardized test scores have an input weight and that the minimal set of grades is one full year of transcripts to calculate weighted and unweighted GPAs. Of course the college coaches recruiting your son will be quite interested in his progress, including grades he has made in school already in 9th grade, but for this year keep the terminology correct. It is progress toward and AI that is needed to be able to qualify your son to be recruited AT ALL. The NY TImes articles echo what we were told...there can be a marginal candidate who passes through, but that marginal candidates in this definition set are still good students with good grades and scores (a 3.3 kid with 1100 SATs like a zillion others? that is my crude guess). Also, once your son has an AI, the coach recruiting him has no obligation and likely will not tell you what the specific score is. But he will tell you "yes, I can recruit your son because he meets our non-lacrosse requirements."
If you believe your son is the ringer of the class and the coach will "get him in no matter", then I just don't know. I rather doubt it if we are talking about a B/C student with 50th percentile standardized scores going to Princeton or Yale. For the rest of us I think the correct information is to be aware that grades, standardized test scores and AP courses are very desired and to focus on having those in good order to be a student athlete candidate at an Ivy.
The pot I seem to have stirred was to call out that Ivies won't be taking any verbal commits from the 2017s this academic year. The best you can do now is establish with the coaches if your son is a lacrosse candidate, and come back next year with the academic goods to ensure that spot is your son's with the academic side also showing strong credentials. Going on believing your son is a lights out lacrosse player and none of this matters is not a viable path.
The below is from Tier1athletics.org - I have no idea the accuracy but from friend of mine with kids going through this it sounds pretty accurate, This is also interesting because it is not about lacrosse but about Ivy League recruiting,
"Interpreting the Academic Index Number for Ivy League Athletes"
We’re treading on dangerous ground here so I suppose I should start this with a big disclaimer. The number that you have calculated using the Academic Index calculator should only serve as a general guideline to help you plan your recruiting. Hitting certain numbers does not mean that you are assured of admission since many different factors go into determining admissibility.
The Academic Index is really a tool to evaluate large groups (teams, overall athletic cohort and entire student body.) That said, I think it’s helpful to be able to see where you stand in relation to other students and athletes.
Below are my interpretations of the strength of different AI ranges. These are based on interviews, articles and statements, but you should not consider them to be any sort of official guideline or standard.
Under 176
An Academic Index under 176 is below the minimum generally required to be recruited in the Ivy League.
177-190
I would classify AIs in this range as “possible”, but weak. Nationally known, big-time recruits in high profile sports may be okay with an AI in this range.
191-200
We’re getting closer to the comfort range. This is still on the weaker side, but scores in this range may be adequate for highly desirable athletes in certain programs.
201-210
This equates to about 1850 -1900 combined SAT and 3.5 unweighted GPA and should put a recruit on fairly solid academic footing. Teams that tend to attract kids with stronger academics may want a little bit more.
Over 210
This is really where you want to be. With an AI over 210, I think it’s pretty unlikely that academics will be a deal killer in your athletic recruiting.
Does anyone know how the AI is calculated? Looks like a combination of GPA and test scores but not sure about the calculation. Is there an AI calculation for ACT test takers?
if you click on the link
Academic Index Calculator 2012
it will open a spread sheet with the formulas
"Does anyone know how the AI is calculated? Looks like a combination of GPA and test scores but not sure about the calculation. Is there an AI calculation for ACT test takers?"
The AI is a proprietary formula. There are calculators on the web to calculate one, but the sources have said each of them are flawed. The NY Times has done some articles on the AI and have quoted AD's and coaches at Ivy league schools in them. There are hard inputs including GPA unweighted, some measure for AP or other advanced courses and standardized test scores such as PSAT, SAT or ACT. Interestingly the AI scores for all admitted student athletes in the league are shared between the institutions in what seems to be an open checks and balances.
Basically, to be recruited as a student athlete you must meet certain criteria and the bar is set high. I would find it very difficult to believe that this process is negotiable for an average B/C student with 1100 SATs to except someone for being a special lacrosse talent. The league seems to have laid down the law that there are enough strong students who are also strong athletic talents both so that there are no meathead hall passes.
Because standardized test scores and GPAs are needed as inputs, I would find it hard to believe Ivy league coaches are able to make offers out to 2017s until next year.
The below is from Tier1athletics.org - I have no idea the accuracy but from friend of mine with kids going through this it sounds pretty accurate, This is also interesting because it is not about lacrosse but about Ivy League recruiting,
"Interpreting the Academic Index Number for Ivy League Athletes"
We’re treading on dangerous ground here so I suppose I should start this with a big disclaimer. The number that you have calculated using the Academic Index calculator should only serve as a general guideline to help you plan your recruiting. Hitting certain numbers does not mean that you are assured of admission since many different factors go into determining admissibility.
The Academic Index is really a tool to evaluate large groups (teams, overall athletic cohort and entire student body.) That said, I think it’s helpful to be able to see where you stand in relation to other students and athletes.
Below are my interpretations of the strength of different AI ranges. These are based on interviews, articles and statements, but you should not consider them to be any sort of official guideline or standard.
Under 176
An Academic Index under 176 is below the minimum generally required to be recruited in the Ivy League.
177-190
I would classify AIs in this range as “possible”, but weak. Nationally known, big-time recruits in high profile sports may be okay with an AI in this range.
191-200
We’re getting closer to the comfort range. This is still on the weaker side, but scores in this range may be adequate for highly desirable athletes in certain programs.
201-210
This equates to about 1850 -1900 combined SAT and 3.5 unweighted GPA and should put a recruit on fairly solid academic footing. Teams that tend to attract kids with stronger academics may want a little bit more.
Over 210
This is really where you want to be. With an AI over 210, I think it’s pretty unlikely that academics will be a deal killer in your athletic recruiting.
Does anyone know how the AI is calculated? Looks like a combination of GPA and test scores but not sure about the calculation. Is there an AI calculation for ACT test takers?
AI is based on 3 criteria which are worth 80pt each for a highest total of 240
Part 1
(( SAT writing+ SAT CR)/2 + SAT MATH/20 = AI
Part 2
Take 2 best scores from history bio and math and add them up and divide by 20
Part 3
Weighted GPA. 4.3 = 80 points 4.0 =77....
Then refer to above scales.
My freshman is 19 years old and we love all the whining on this board.
I have a 19 year old freshman. Deal with it!
My freshman is 19 years old and we love all the whining on this board.
I have a 19 year old freshman. Deal with it!
So he was like 8 in kindergarten ?
My freshman is 19 years old and we love all the whining on this board.
I have a 19 year old freshman. Deal with it!
Hey, I have an 18 year old HS freshman. But I'm only 35 and am expectant grandpa, so I win. Or maybe not.
Just wondering - what propels you to wake up on Christmas Eve and make such a dumb statement? Have you nothing better to do?
My freshman is 19 years old and we love all the whining on this board.
I have a 19 year old freshman. Deal with it!
The below is from Tier1athletics.org - I have no idea the accuracy but from friend of mine with kids going through this it sounds pretty accurate, This is also interesting because it is not about lacrosse but about Ivy League recruiting,
"Interpreting the Academic Index Number for Ivy League Athletes"
We’re treading on dangerous ground here so I suppose I should start this with a big disclaimer. The number that you have calculated using the Academic Index calculator should only serve as a general guideline to help you plan your recruiting. Hitting certain numbers does not mean that you are assured of admission since many different factors go into determining admissibility.
The Academic Index is really a tool to evaluate large groups (teams, overall athletic cohort and entire student body.) That said, I think it’s helpful to be able to see where you stand in relation to other students and athletes.
Below are my interpretations of the strength of different AI ranges. These are based on interviews, articles and statements, but you should not consider them to be any sort of official guideline or standard.
Under 176
An Academic Index under 176 is below the minimum generally required to be recruited in the Ivy League.
177-190
I would classify AIs in this range as “possible”, but weak. Nationally known, big-time recruits in high profile sports may be okay with an AI in this range.
191-200
We’re getting closer to the comfort range. This is still on the weaker side, but scores in this range may be adequate for highly desirable athletes in certain programs.
201-210
This equates to about 1850 -1900 combined SAT and 3.5 unweighted GPA and should put a recruit on fairly solid academic footing. Teams that tend to attract kids with stronger academics may want a little bit more.
Over 210
This is really where you want to be. With an AI over 210, I think it’s pretty unlikely that academics will be a deal killer in your athletic recruiting.
Does anyone know how the AI is calculated? Looks like a combination of GPA and test scores but not sure about the calculation. Is there an AI calculation for ACT test takers?
AI is based on 3 criteria which are worth 80pt each for a highest total of 240
Part 1
(( SAT writing+ SAT CR)/2 + SAT MATH/20 = AI
Part 2
Take 2 best scores from history bio and math and add them up and divide by 20
Part 3
Weighted GPA. 4.3 = 80 points 4.0 =77....
Then refer to above scales.
switch weighted for unweighted and include class rank
What if a school does not provide a class rank? Our school does not.
Just wondering - what propels you to wake up on Christmas Eve and make such a dumb statement? Have you nothing better to do?
My freshman is 19 years old and we love all the whining on this board.
I have a 19 year old freshman. Deal with it!
What possesses people here to constantly whine about the presumed ages of other kids?
Should HS games be cancelled because there are kids of all different ages on the field? Shut your trap, stop whining and just play.
The below is from Tier1athletics.org - I have no idea the accuracy but from friend of mine with kids going through this it sounds pretty accurate, This is also interesting because it is not about lacrosse but about Ivy League recruiting,
"Interpreting the Academic Index Number for Ivy League Athletes"
We’re treading on dangerous ground here so I suppose I should start this with a big disclaimer. The number that you have calculated using the Academic Index calculator should only serve as a general guideline to help you plan your recruiting. Hitting certain numbers does not mean that you are assured of admission since many different factors go into determining admissibility.
The Academic Index is really a tool to evaluate large groups (teams, overall athletic cohort and entire student body.) That said, I think it’s helpful to be able to see where you stand in relation to other students and athletes.
Below are my interpretations of the strength of different AI ranges. These are based on interviews, articles and statements, but you should not consider them to be any sort of official guideline or standard.
Under 176
An Academic Index under 176 is below the minimum generally required to be recruited in the Ivy League.
177-190
I would classify AIs in this range as “possible”, but weak. Nationally known, big-time recruits in high profile sports may be okay with an AI in this range.
191-200
We’re getting closer to the comfort range. This is still on the weaker side, but scores in this range may be adequate for highly desirable athletes in certain programs.
201-210
This equates to about 1850 -1900 combined SAT and 3.5 unweighted GPA and should put a recruit on fairly solid academic footing. Teams that tend to attract kids with stronger academics may want a little bit more.
Over 210
This is really where you want to be. With an AI over 210, I think it’s pretty unlikely that academics will be a deal killer in your athletic recruiting.
Does anyone know how the AI is calculated? Looks like a combination of GPA and test scores but not sure about the calculation. Is there an AI calculation for ACT test takers?
AI is based on 3 criteria which are worth 80pt each for a highest total of 240
Part 1
(( SAT writing+ SAT CR)/2 + SAT MATH/20 = AI
Part 2
Take 2 best scores from history bio and math and add them up and divide by 20
Part 3
Weighted GPA. 4.3 = 80 points 4.0 =77....
Then refer to above scales.
switch weighted for unweighted and include class rank
since many schools do not use class rank anymore they have gone GPA only and weighted only to account for honors classes and AP classes
Just wondering - what propels you to wake up on Christmas Eve and make such a dumb statement? Have you nothing better to do?
My freshman is 19 years old and we love all the whining on this board.
I have a 19 year old freshman. Deal with it!
What possesses people here to constantly whine about the presumed ages of other kids?
Should HS games be cancelled because there are kids of all different ages on the field? Shut your trap, stop whining and just play.
Such a big tough guy... I'll never shut my mouth, and I'll keep reminding you of what you and your son are.
From the dictionary: Cheat-er, a person who acts dishonestly in order to gain an advantage, especially in sport
DEAL WITH IT. YOU CAN'T CHANGE WHAT YOU ARE!
Just wondering - what propels you to wake up on Christmas Eve and make such a dumb statement? Have you nothing better to do?
My freshman is 19 years old and we love all the whining on this board.
I have a 19 year old freshman. Deal with it!
What possesses people here to constantly whine about the presumed ages of other kids?
Should HS games be cancelled because there are kids of all different ages on the field? Shut your trap, stop whining and just play.
Such a big tough guy... I'll never shut my mouth, and I'll keep reminding you of what you and your son are.
From the dictionary: Cheat-er, a person who acts dishonestly in order to gain an advantage, especially in sport
DEAL WITH IT. YOU CAN'T CHANGE WHAT YOU ARE!
We are all laughing at you.
By the way, today is my son's birthday. He just turned 20 and is in 9th grade. Can't wait to see you on the field. Make sure to bring some tissues.
You need to ask your guidance counselor a very important question, often schools will tell you they do not rank but what they don't tell you is there maybe a class percentile in place. this will tell colleges where your son or daughter falls in the class. Ivy's require you to be in the top ten percentile which can be tricky because depending on the class even very high GPA's can be miss the top ten percentile of a class based on class size and strength. Very tricky stuff and generally the school will not tell you unless you ask
Just wondering - what propels you to wake up on Christmas Eve and make such a dumb statement? Have you nothing better to do?
My freshman is 19 years old and we love all the whining on this board.
I have a 19 year old freshman. Deal with it!
What possesses people here to constantly whine about the presumed ages of other kids?
Should HS games be cancelled because there are kids of all different ages on the field? Shut your trap, stop whining and just play.
Such a big tough guy... I'll never shut my mouth, and I'll keep reminding you of what you and your son are.
From the dictionary: Cheat-er, a person who acts dishonestly in order to gain an advantage, especially in sport
DEAL WITH IT. YOU CAN'T CHANGE WHAT YOU ARE!
I guess that makes you a whiner and a perennial loser
You need to ask your guidance counselor a very important question, often schools will tell you they do not rank but what they don't tell you is there maybe a class percentile in place. this will tell colleges where your son or daughter falls in the class. Ivy's require you to be in the top ten percentile which can be tricky because depending on the class even very high GPA's can be miss the top ten percentile of a class based on class size and strength. Very tricky stuff and generally the school will not tell you unless you ask
When your official transcipt is sent to an institution, the High School will also send along a school profile document. This will include a listing of the top courses offered in each subject area and a breakdown, typically by decile, of the grade point averages in the class. Whether you realize it or not, you are being ranked within your High School class and that data is shared outward. Furthermore, your target college will indeed know whether or not you have earned your stripes in the most aggressive academic courses.
You need to ask your guidance counselor a very important question, often schools will tell you they do not rank but what they don't tell you is there maybe a class percentile in place. this will tell colleges where your son or daughter falls in the class. Ivy's require you to be in the top ten percentile which can be tricky because depending on the class even very high GPA's can be miss the top ten percentile of a class based on class size and strength. Very tricky stuff and generally the school will not tell you unless you ask
You are either an idiot or a liar. That statement is totally false. There is no REQUIREMENT as to class ranking.
This is not entirely true about the Ivies with regards to class rank.Depending upon the talent of the player and the extent to which the coach wants them they do not have to be in the top 10% of the class. It all depends on how strong of an athlete they are as to what they need to have for GPA , class rank and overall AI.
This is not entirely true about the Ivies with regards to class rank.Depending upon the talent of the player and the extent to which the coach wants them they do not have to be in the top 10% of the class. It all depends on how strong of an athlete they are as to what they need to have for GPA , class rank and overall AI.
Overall AI is all that matters. A player's AI incorporates, GPA, test scores, class rank, etc. Have son at IVY now.
This is not entirely true about the Ivies with regards to class rank.Depending upon the talent of the player and the extent to which the coach wants them they do not have to be in the top 10% of the class. It all depends on how strong of an athlete they are as to what they need to have for GPA , class rank and overall AI.
Overall AI is all that matters. A player's AI incorporates, GPA, test scores, class rank, etc. Have son at IVY now.
You people are all sick, go have another eggnog and relax. This 2017 class is by far the most pretentious, self absorbed group on this forum. Stop with all this Ivy garbage. Hand full of kids will go to the Ivies from this class. Half will flunk out, because academically they don't belong there. Another 25% will barely see the field and barely get by in the classroom. The other 24% will transfer out after the first year. That leaves 1% that will see the field and hack it in the classroom. Stop with all the brand names and wishing for something that isn't so. Some 65 to 70% of all non-athlete applicants to these schools have perfect SAT's and the highest gpa attainable in their HS. If your son isn't at that level academically it's not a good fit. He will struggle.
I do too. But it's different AI's for different players. As you know they figure it out. They take a certain number of lower AI guys who might be impact/ must have players and balance it with some who have high AI's and probably won't play very much. In the end it all works out. For some select players a 3,5 and a 1200 is all they need. The others make up for it.
You are way off. Very few if any "flunk out". And by the way there are 7 ivy D1 lax programs. Each one takes 10 players per year. That is 70 kids. Far more than a few!!!!!
This is not entirely true about the Ivies with regards to class rank.Depending upon the talent of the player and the extent to which the coach wants them they do not have to be in the top 10% of the class. It all depends on how strong of an athlete they are as to what they need to have for GPA , class rank and overall AI.
Overall AI is all that matters. A player's AI incorporates, GPA, test scores, class rank, etc. Have son at IVY now.
You people are all sick, go have another eggnog and relax. This 2017 class is by far the most pretentious, self absorbed group on this forum. Stop with all this Ivy garbage. Hand full of kids will go to the Ivies from this class. Half will flunk out, because academically they don't belong there. Another 25% will barely see the field and barely get by in the classroom. The other 24% will transfer out after the first year. That leaves 1% that will see the field and hack it in the classroom. Stop with all the brand names and wishing for something that isn't so. Some 65 to 70% of all non-athlete applicants to these schools have perfect SAT's and the highest gpa attainable in their HS. If your son isn't at that level academically it's not a good fit. He will struggle.
Said the guy who's kid hasn't a chance at a good state school, never mind an IVY.
News flash for ya buddy...there are actually many kids each year who fill those 10 slots per school and do very well.
Care to publish the "source" of your quoted statistics, or did you pull them out of your ....?
Perhaps you've had enough egg nog...but not enough to drown out the shame of having a kid who isn't living up to your expectations? Put that under your tree, Scrooge!
I do too. But it's different AI's for different players. As you know they figure it out. They take a certain number of lower AI guys who might be impact/ must have players and balance it with some who have high AI's and probably won't play very much. In the end it all works out. For some select players a 3,5 and a 1200 is all they need. The others make up for it.
Correct...and the schools have support systems in place to ensure success.
I do too. But it's different AI's for different players. As you know they figure it out. They take a certain number of lower AI guys who might be impact/ must have players and balance it with some who have high AI's and probably won't play very much. In the end it all works out. For some select players a 3,5 and a 1200 is all they need. The others make up for it.
There is not a different AI for any applicant. The applicant has an AI based on the academic inputs. They (the Ivy institutions) don't take marginal students who are very good athletes and make attempts to figure out or modify what to do. That is the whole point of the AI so that the institutions and programs are not chasing a lower common denominator for a kid who is not qualified, and would likely struggle with academics in addition to denying an admissions spot to a higher qualified kid. A 3.5 and a 1200 are not lousy inputs I would only guess.
There are enough excellent recruits in sports like lacrosse who are also very good students so that going down the AI tables for a ringer is not in the best interests of the coach, the program or the institution. Refer to the NY Times articles on this topic. They are quite good and quote some coaches including the Yale basketball coach. Some programs are given some lower AI bracket spots, and it is impossible to say if the 3.5 and SAT kid is in that category because the formula is proprietary to the Ivy admissions and athletic departments.
I think the point here is it would be a bridge too far for any parent to be presumptive and go on thinking because my son is a lacrosse savant there are exceptions or modifications to the AI calculations or criteria. That plainly is not true.
I am not sure what you were trying to say here but I've been through this with two kids at Ivy League schools both recruited athletes. AIs Definitely differ from player to player. A 3.5 and a 1200 SAT for a high school all american iswell below what the average accepted non athlete student has. I am not implying that these are shabby grades. However they are well below the non-athlete Ivy League norm. That is quite obvious. This is just a plain fact. I have know several kids who are placed an Ivy League rosters without much of a promise of playing because they bring up the team AI. They are usually later recruits after a longer tracl record for GPA, SATs/subject tests and/or ACT results are known. The coach will tell you a ballpark of what you need. You as parents have to decide if you are comfortable with attaining these AIs (GPA and test scores) particularly if you are going to be recruited early. They definitely have "must haves". They can push hard for a few. But they can NEVER guarantee admission. That and scholarship money is why many top recruits opt for state schools or "scholarship schools". Because states schools recruiting strength is money and as near guaranteed admission as there is. No one could blame someone for choosing that route.
This is not entirely true about the Ivies with regards to class rank.Depending upon the talent of the player and the extent to which the coach wants them they do not have to be in the top 10% of the class. It all depends on how strong of an athlete they are as to what they need to have for GPA , class rank and overall AI.
Overall AI is all that matters. A player's AI incorporates, GPA, test scores, class rank, etc. Have son at IVY now.
You people are all sick, go have another eggnog and relax. This 2017 class is by far the most pretentious, self absorbed group on this forum. Stop with all this Ivy garbage. Hand full of kids will go to the Ivies from this class. Half will flunk out, because academically they don't belong there. Another 25% will barely see the field and barely get by in the classroom. The other 24% will transfer out after the first year. That leaves 1% that will see the field and hack it in the classroom. Stop with all the brand names and wishing for something that isn't so. Some 65 to 70% of all non-athlete applicants to these schools have perfect SAT's and the highest gpa attainable in their HS. If your son isn't at that level academically it's not a good fit. He will struggle.
Said the guy
who's kid hasn't a chance at a good state school, never mind an IVY.
News flash for ya buddy...there are actually many kids each year who fill those 10 slots per school and do very well.
Care to publish the "source" of your quoted statistics, or did you pull them out of your ....?
Perhaps you've had enough egg nog...but not enough to drown out the shame of having a kid who isn't living up to your expectations? Put that under your tree, Scrooge!
LOL. You are lecturing to that guy, and you don't know the difference between "who's" and "whose"?
Let me guess - you went to a SUNY school, right? LOL.
This is not entirely true about the Ivies with regards to class rank.Depending upon the talent of the player and the extent to which the coach wants them they do not have to be in the top 10% of the class. It all depends on how strong of an athlete they are as to what they need to have for GPA , class rank and overall AI.
Overall AI is all that matters. A player's AI incorporates, GPA, test scores, class rank, etc. Have son at IVY now.
I agree! Some who are committing are doing so on their fathers name. Sad and pathetic when you have to build a team around your son and then brag about how great he is. Lets see what happens on varsity thus spring!
You people are all sick, go have another eggnog and relax. This 2017 class is by far the most pretentious, self absorbed group on this forum. Stop with all this Ivy garbage. Hand full of kids will go to the Ivies from this class. Half will flunk out, because academically they don't belong there. Another 25% will barely see the field and barely get by in the classroom. The other 24% will transfer out after the first year. That leaves 1% that will see the field and hack it in the classroom. Stop with all the brand names and wishing for something that isn't so. Some 65 to 70% of all non-athlete applicants to these schools have perfect SAT's and the highest gpa attainable in their HS. If your son isn't at that level academically it's not a good fit. He will struggle.
This is not entirely true about the Ivies with regards to class rank.Depending upon the talent of the player and the extent to which the coach wants them they do not have to be in the top 10% of the class. It all depends on how strong of an athlete they are as to what they need to have for GPA , class rank and overall AI.
Overall AI is all that matters. A player's AI incorporates, GPA, test scores, class rank, etc. Have son at IVY now.
You people are all sick, go have another eggnog and relax. This 2017 class is by far the most pretentious, self absorbed group on this forum. Stop with all this Ivy garbage. Hand full of kids will go to the Ivies from this class. Half will flunk out, because academically they don't belong there. Another 25% will barely see the field and barely get by in the classroom. The other 24% will transfer out after the first year. That leaves 1% that will see the field and hack it in the classroom. Stop with all the brand names and wishing for something that isn't so. Some 65 to 70% of all non-athlete applicants to these schools have perfect SAT's and the highest gpa attainable in their HS. If your son isn't at that level academically it's not a good fit. He will struggle.
Said the guy
who's kid hasn't a chance at a good state school, never mind an IVY.
News flash for ya buddy...there are actually many kids each year who fill those 10 slots per school and do very well.
Care to publish the "source" of your quoted statistics, or did you pull them out of your ....?
Perhaps you've had enough egg nog...but not enough to drown out the shame of having a kid who isn't living up to your expectations? Put that under your tree, Scrooge!
LOL. You are lecturing to that guy, and you don't know the difference between "who's" and "whose"?
Let me guess - you went to a SUNY school, right? LOL.
Hey, that's an insult to SUNY school alums!
I do too. But it's different AI's for different players. As you know they figure it out. They take a certain number of lower AI guys who might be impact/ must have players and balance it with some who have high AI's and probably won't play very much. In the end it all works out. For some select players a 3,5 and a 1200 is all they need. The others make up for it.
Correct...and the schools have support systems in place to ensure success.
I have two sons playing in the Ivy League and there is NO support system. At an Ivy school, you are expected to get it done on your own. If you're kid is not all AP's AND top 5% weighted GPA, he will struggle at an Ivy where the professors are not athlete friendly. If you don't fit this profile go to a good school that provides academic support for its athletes. There are many of them.
This is not entirely true about the Ivies with regards to class rank.Depending upon the talent of the player and the extent to which the coach wants them they do not have to be in the top 10% of the class. It all depends on how strong of an athlete they are as to what they need to have for GPA , class rank and overall AI.
Overall AI is all that matters. A player's AI incorporates, GPA, test scores, class rank, etc. Have son at IVY now.
You people are all sick, go have another eggnog and relax. This 2017 class is by far the most pretentious, self absorbed group on this forum. Stop with all this Ivy garbage. Hand full of kids will go to the Ivies from this class. Half will flunk out, because academically they don't belong there. Another 25% will barely see the field and barely get by in the classroom. The other 24% will transfer out after the first year. That leaves 1% that will see the field and hack it in the classroom. Stop with all the brand names and wishing for something that isn't so. Some 65 to 70% of all non-athlete applicants to these schools have perfect SAT's and the highest gpa attainable in their HS. If your son isn't at that level academically it's not a good fit. He will struggle.
Said the guy
who's kid hasn't a chance at a good state school, never mind an IVY.
News flash for ya buddy...there are actually many kids each year who fill those 10 slots per school and do very well.
Care to publish the "source" of your quoted statistics, or did you pull them out of your ....?
Perhaps you've had enough egg nog...but not enough to drown out the shame of having a kid who isn't living up to your expectations? Put that under your tree, Scrooge!
LOL. You are lecturing to that guy, and you don't know the difference between "who's" and "whose"?
Let me guess - you went to a SUNY school, right? LOL.
Hey, that's an insult to SUNY school alums!
SUNY....13th grade....
Auto spell...it's a PIA...
Look I have been through this twice. Both of my boys were very good students. Neither were top 5% . They doe not struggle. They work hard. Being an all American or an outstanding athlete helps Enormously in gaining admission to an Ivy. I am not going to argue with you.
The thread is a perfect illustration between the cultural and socio-economic differences between Long Island and the Mid-Atlantic lacrosse communities.
wow, no holiday spirit on the 2017 forum. Shocking.
The thread is a perfect illustration between the cultural and socio-economic differences between Long Island and the Mid-Atlantic lacrosse communities.
interesting comment...would you care to expand upon this?
disclaimer: I am from LI, yet i will say that there is a definable dichotomy here, as stated. And it would appear by the tone of the posts that the socio-economic differences are evidenced by the slanted positions that the general pop. of LI people seem to take.
The thread is a perfect illustration between the cultural and socio-economic differences between Long Island and the Mid-Atlantic lacrosse communities.
interesting comment...would you care to expand upon this?
disclaimer: I am from LI, yet i will say that there is a definable dichotomy here, as stated. And it would appear by the tone of the posts that the socio-economic differences are evidenced by the slanted positions that the general pop. of LI people seem to take.
I gather the poster is suggesting that the mid-Atlantic thread does not usually have AI calculations, class rank percentiles, IVY admission criteria, NESCAC options etc. at the center of the conversation. Seems like the goal is UMD, UNC, UVA or bust. A bit of a backhanded slap but maybe an observation based on fact?
The thread is a perfect illustration between the cultural and socio-economic differences between Long Island and the Mid-Atlantic lacrosse communities.
interesting comment...would you care to expand upon this?
disclaimer: I am from LI, yet i will say that there is a definable dichotomy here, as stated. And it would appear by the tone of the posts that the socio-economic differences are evidenced by the slanted positions that the general pop. of LI people seem to take.
The innuendo here is over the top. Both of these comments are wide open for interpretation.
Can't we all get along? Just let the boys play already
Look I have been through this twice. Both of my boys were very good students. Neither were top 5% . They doe not struggle. They work hard. Being an all American or an outstanding athlete helps Enormously in gaining admission to an Ivy. I am not going to argue with you.
Congrats to your sons. Unfortunately, that's not the case for most average to above average students that try to succeed at an Ivy. It's tough when every class is a struggle to keep up with all the brainiacs. Ultimately the effects of being overwhelmed as a student manifest itself on the field and after your four years are over when employers don't care that you have an Ivy degree because you graduated in the bottom half of your class. Plenty of good schools out there where you can have a balanced college experience, graduate in the top half of your class and land a great job.
Harvard
9 Long Island
3 Maryland
UPENN
8 Long Island
4 MAryland
Princeton
6 Long Island
2 Maryland
Yale
11 Long Island
2 Maryland
Cornell
10 Long Island
3 Maryland
Dartmouth
5 Long Island
4 Maryland
Brown
9 Long Island
2 Maryland
Look I have been through this twice. Both of my boys were very good students. Neither were top 5% . They doe not struggle. They work hard. Being an all American or an outstanding athlete helps Enormously in gaining admission to an Ivy. I am not going to argue with you.
Congrats to your sons. Unfortunately, that's not the case for most average to above average students that try to succeed at an Ivy. It's tough when every class is a struggle to keep up with all the brainiacs. Ultimately the effects of being overwhelmed as a student manifest itself on the field and after your four years are over when employers don't care that you have an Ivy degree because you graduated in the bottom half of your class. Plenty of good schools out there where you can have a balanced college experience, graduate in the top half of your class and land a great job.
Unless of course if you do happen to graduate in the second half of the class and interview with the CEO of a company who happened to do the same...end of the day its who you know or get to know. I see a lot of knuckleheads with a ton of money who wear slip-ons because they don't even know how to tie their own shoes.
Hey we all want the the kids to have a 3.8 @ Harvard does it happen, maybe, maybe not, but going to the top institutions affords you access to the inner circle if you will of the people who run, manage and own the companies you are looking to get a job at. It is about the networking. Graduate with a 2.5 from Harvard but network with the right people...I say you get a job a heck of a lot quicker than if you got a 3.5 at school ranked lower...it is who you know, not always what you know....
Hey we all want the the kids to have a 3.8 @ Harvard does it happen, maybe, maybe not, but going to the top institutions affords you access to the inner circle if you will of the people who run, manage and own the companies you are looking to get a job at. It is about the networking. Graduate with a 2.5 from Harvard but network with the right people...I say you get a job a heck of a lot quicker than if you got a 3.5 at school ranked lower...it is who you know, not always what you know....
Unfortunately, the last several posts are clearly authored by parents who have not been through the collegiate summer internship competition rounds at Top 30 Universities. Understand that your student (not just student-athletes) must complete their resumes and in most cases, presubmit their CV and cover letter to a recruiting firm on campus. That student first clears the internal competition to earn the right to an interview - and then competes on campus to potentially land a summer internship.
Why do we emphasize internships? In today's business environment, internships that are productive result in offers upon graduation. Even if one chooses not to return to the internship firm, the experience on your resume is critical.
Now, back to the reason for our post. A 2.5 GPA at any university will not get a student to the interview table for internships and possible positions during recruiting days on campus. There are just too many other qualified candidates with better numbers and overall three year (junior year recruiting) performances that will earn that interview slot.
Alumni networks are incredibly important and should serve as one of the major reasons to attend a Top 30 program from Boston to Washington and beyond. However, expecting special consideration for a 2.5 GPA strictly based on networking is a poor entry level strategy.
Hey we all want the the kids to have a 3.8 @ Harvard does it happen, maybe, maybe not, but going to the top institutions affords you access to the inner circle if you will of the people who run, manage and own the companies you are looking to get a job at. It is about the networking. Graduate with a 2.5 from Harvard but network with the right people...I say you get a job a heck of a lot quicker than if you got a 3.5 at school ranked lower...it is who you know, not always what you know....
Unfortunately, the last several posts are clearly authored by parents who have not been through the collegiate summer internship competition rounds at Top 30 Universities. Understand that your student (not just student-athletes) must complete their resumes and in most cases, presubmit their CV and cover letter to a recruiting firm on campus. That student first clears the internal competition to earn the right to an interview - and then competes on campus to potentially land a summer internship.
Why do we emphasize internships? In today's business environment, internships that are productive result in offers upon graduation. Even if one chooses not to return to the internship firm, the experience on your resume is critical.
Now, back to the reason for our post. A 2.5 GPA at any university will not get a student to the interview table for internships and possible positions during recruiting days on campus. There are just too many other qualified candidates with better numbers and overall three year (junior year recruiting) performances that will earn that interview slot.
Alumni networks are incredibly important and should serve as one of the major reasons to attend a Top 30 program from Boston to Washington and beyond. However, expecting special consideration for a 2.5 GPA strictly based on networking is a poor entry level strategy.
This happens to be true. I'm an Ivy alum and would not be able to help anyone with an internship if they don't meet the minimum requirement of a 3.4 GPA. Too many bright kids out there and less positions available. The days of the "good old boy" network are gone forever. My advise is go to the best school you can where you know you can get at least a 3.4-3.5 GPA.
This list of LI kids on Ivy rosters is indeed impressive. I think the point is a good one but the comparative is off. Lacrosse in Maryland is really two hotbeds. Obviously there is Baltimore County and the MIAA schools. Next there is the DC area that includes the Maryland and Northern Virginia burbs and the IAC schools (Landon, Gtown Prep, St. Stephens Agnes, etc.) and the parochial league (Gonzaga, Paul VI, etc.). If you look at the Ivy rosters again through this lens, you'll see quite a difference on some rosters, Princeton is most pronounced. Actually, the prep school with the most currently rostered players is Landon in Bethesda, MD which sits right on the Virginia border and has a lot of players from the other side of the Potomac.
I think one of the posters making something of a demographic or social difference between LI and Maryland is correct. I lived in Manhattan for a number of years and now live in Maryland. NY money is bigger and louder than Maryland. So are the parents. Yes, LI Express lunatic parents, that means you. Are Maryland people economically small time by compare? Yes. Are Maryland lacrosse players better or worse than LI players? No. Some of the best players we saw last Summer were not from either, and the best team last Summer at the most competitive tournament -- Young Gunz -- was Dukes from the Philly main line.
This list of LI kids on Ivy rosters is indeed impressive. I think the point is a good one but the comparative is off. Lacrosse in Maryland is really two hotbeds. Obviously there is Baltimore County and the MIAA schools. Next there is the DC area that includes the Maryland and Northern Virginia burbs and the IAC schools (Landon, Gtown Prep, St. Stephens Agnes, etc.) and the parochial league (Gonzaga, Paul VI, etc.). If you look at the Ivy rosters again through this lens, you'll see quite a difference on some rosters, Princeton is most pronounced. Actually, the prep school with the most currently rostered players is Landon in Bethesda, MD which sits right on the Virginia border and has a lot of players from the other side of the Potomac.
I think one of the posters making something of a demographic or social difference between LI and Maryland is correct. I lived in Manhattan for a number of years and now live in Maryland. NY money is bigger and louder than Maryland. So are the parents. Yes, LI Express lunatic parents, that means you. Are Maryland people economically small time by compare? Yes. Are Maryland lacrosse players better or worse than LI players? No. Some of the best players we saw last Summer were not from either, and the best team last Summer at the most competitive tournament -- Young Gunz -- was Dukes from the Philly main line.
Md players are marketed better but much less productive at the next level.
You are correct at that. A lot of the MD kids are repeat a grade ones, including the 2017 class, who are still relatively undersized for their class despite that. The advantages recede over time and UVa and UNC winds up with U-15AA standouts who failed to advance physically or lacrosse wise
This list of LI kids on Ivy rosters is indeed impressive. I think the point is a good one but the comparative is off. Lacrosse in Maryland is really two hotbeds. Obviously there is Baltimore County and the MIAA schools. Next there is the DC area that includes the Maryland and Northern Virginia burbs and the IAC schools (Landon, Gtown Prep, St. Stephens Agnes, etc.) and the parochial league (Gonzaga, Paul VI, etc.). If you look at the Ivy rosters again through this lens, you'll see quite a difference on some rosters, Princeton is most pronounced. Actually, the prep school with the most currently rostered players is Landon in Bethesda, MD which sits right on the Virginia border and has a lot of players from the other side of the Potomac.
I think one of the posters making something of a demographic or social difference between LI and Maryland is correct. I lived in Manhattan for a number of years and now live in Maryland. NY money is bigger and louder than Maryland. So are the parents. Yes, LI Express lunatic parents, that means you. Are Maryland people economically small time by compare? Yes. Are Maryland lacrosse players better or worse than LI players? No. Some of the best players we saw last Summer were not from either, and the best team last Summer at the most competitive tournament -- Young Gunz -- was Dukes from the Philly main line.
Md players are marketed better but much less productive at the next level.
Good points, all. Yet I have to object to the NY crowd being called louder lunatics.
. The lunacy is not that they/we are overly aggressive; it's that our kids usually have to come to the Maryland backyard to play in great tournaments and have to use higher level LAX skills to overcome the physically aggressive "reclassifieds" in order to compete.
Time and tie again, we see the frustration of the older and bigger Md players who are being outplayed by true 2017's who then must resort to overt aggression to compensate.
It does make for an angry and vociferous NY sideline who are pained to watch their kids get bashed by others who are potentially 2 years older in some cases.
Lunacy? Nahhh...just pissed off that the age discrepancy was and is allowed at that critical age.
You want empathy for driving to Boys Latin or Univ of Delaware fields to play the best from West and East Coasts? None here. When The LI Express lost all their games to Crabs, VLC and Madlax last Summer and this Fall none of the games I saw were chippy. There was not a single penalty called in one game LI Express lost to VLC by 6 goals. VLC has three repeat a grade kids and only one of them starts. Yes, the rest of those kids are bigger, better skilled and more physical and they are 14. Working on the family farm in Loudon County develops some true grit. Stop whining and go to Zabars already. Or toughen up and compete better.
You are correct at that. A lot of the MD kids are repeat a grade ones, including the 2017 class, who are still relatively undersized for their class despite that. The advantages recede over time and UVa and UNC winds up with U-15AA standouts who failed to advance physically or lacrosse wise
Everything in this post is false. How about just watching/enjoying your son play a sport? Do you really need to live your life through this sports? LOL.
This list of LI kids on Ivy rosters is indeed impressive. I think the point is a good one but the comparative is off. Lacrosse in Maryland is really two hotbeds. Obviously there is Baltimore County and the MIAA schools. Next there is the DC area that includes the Maryland and Northern Virginia burbs and the IAC schools (Landon, Gtown Prep, St. Stephens Agnes, etc.) and the parochial league (Gonzaga, Paul VI, etc.). If you look at the Ivy rosters again through this lens, you'll see quite a difference on some rosters, Princeton is most pronounced. Actually, the prep school with the most currently rostered players is Landon in Bethesda, MD which sits right on the Virginia border and has a lot of players from the other side of the Potomac.
I think one of the posters making something of a demographic or social difference between LI and Maryland is correct. I lived in Manhattan for a number of years and now live in Maryland. NY money is bigger and louder than Maryland. So are the parents. Yes, LI Express lunatic parents, that means you. Are Maryland people economically small time by compare? Yes. Are Maryland lacrosse players better or worse than LI players? No. Some of the best players we saw last Summer were not from either, and the best team last Summer at the most competitive tournament -- Young Gunz -- was Dukes from the Philly main line.
Md players are marketed better but much less productive at the next level.
Good points, all. Yet I have to object to the NY crowd being called louder lunatics.
. The lunacy is not that they/we are overly aggressive; it's that our kids usually have to come to the Maryland backyard to play in great tournaments and have to use higher level LAX skills to overcome the physically aggressive "reclassifieds" in order to compete.
Time and tie again, we see the frustration of the older and bigger Md players who are being outplayed by true 2017's who then must resort to overt aggression to compensate.
It does make for an angry and vociferous NY sideline who are pained to watch their kids get bashed by others who are potentially 2 years older in some cases.
Lunacy? Nahhh...just pissed off that the age discrepancy was and is allowed at that critical age.
Wrong. I've seen it for years - LI parents are the most crass, obnoxious, uneducated people on the sidelines.
It speaks to the cultural background of those parents, or lack therof.
You want empathy for driving to Boys Latin or Univ of Delaware fields to play the best from West and East Coasts? None here. When The LI Express lost all their games to Crabs, VLC and Madlax last Summer and this Fall none of the games I saw were chippy. There was not a single penalty called in one game LI Express lost to VLC by 6 goals. VLC has three repeat a grade kids and only one of them starts. Yes, the rest of those kids are bigger, better skilled and more physical and they are 14. Working on the family farm in Loudon County develops some true grit. Stop whining and go to Zabars already. Or toughen up and compete better.
Wow, your a rugged man. There are 19 (or 20) D1 commits in the 2017 class thus far,
4 from MD
1 from VA
3 from Long Island
How many of those 8 players are held back and are they from MD, VA or Long Island?
You are correct at that. A lot of the MD kids are repeat a grade ones, including the 2017 class, who are still relatively undersized for their class despite that. The advantages recede over time and UVa and UNC winds up with U-15AA standouts who failed to advance physically or lacrosse wise
Everything in this post is false. How about just watching/enjoying your son play a sport? Do you really need to live your life through this sports? LOL.
You Maryland people get mad when LI people point out that most of you are cheaters, looking for an EDGE. You can't hang in your true age group and your looking for an advantage, do you think LI people are not going to bring attention to it? Your teaching your kids to take SHORT CUTS. And there are a few of our fellow LI'ers that are cheating also. And forget about it when it comes to the kids from CO., they are all married with homes and kids! LOL.
You LI guys love excuses. Sure, some held backs have verbaled early. But they do not consitute the best players in the area. The two best lefty attackmen, the best righty attackman, and the top one or two players in the area at pole, middie and goalie are all better recruits than the current commits listed in this area. They all have three things in common. They play for VLC, they average close to 6'0 180 & they are all 14. I 14 years old. Different flacor of tough down here. You don't like, don't come back for another taste.
My understanding is that of the 4 or now 5 2017 D1 committs from MD, only the kid going to OSU is not a holdback. He is 14 and a true freshman by age. Obviously a rare thing there in Maryland. All the others are holdbacks.
Pa is catching right up with the reclassifing game. Dukes will have plenty on their squad this summer. Not sure why those kids don't continue to play their own age to challenge themselves.
You LI guys love excuses. Sure, some held backs have verbaled early. But they do not consitute the best players in the area. The two best lefty attackmen, the best righty attackman, and the top one or two players in the area at pole, middie and goalie are all better recruits than the current commits listed in this area. They all have three things in common. They play for VLC, they average close to 6'0 180 & they are all 14. I 14 years old. Different flacor of tough down here. You don't like, don't come back for another taste.
lol, ok no problem. You sound very tough. So all your VLC guys are super great amazing players? But they are all HUGE (6'0 180!!!!!) 14 year olds that haven't committed yet , correct?
Pa is catching right up with the reclassifing game. Dukes will have plenty on their squad this summer. Not sure why those kids don't continue to play their own age to challenge themselves.
Because that would be too HARD, we need the easy way set for our kids these days. Sad but true. "When the tough gets going", we teach to find the easy way out.
My understanding is that of the 4 or now 5 2017 D1 committs from MD, only the kid going to OSU is not a holdback. He is 14 and a true freshman by age. Obviously a rare thing there in Maryland. All the others are holdbacks.
Yes, 5 of the 6 MD and VA commits are repeat a grade kids. I won't use the term reclassified. That is a term for sissy parents raising sissy kids. The single 14 year old is a very talented FCA / Calvert Hall player. But you are being unfair. Madlax had two recruitable players, both repeats, and they are both committed. Balt Crabs is loaded with recruitable players and a few of them are repeaters, so fair point and criticism. FCA Baltimore, VLC are loaded with top prospects and I do know that VLC has only two repeaters and FCA has only one. Breakers is a very decent team and has a few recruits we know of because our son is friends who are legit 14 year olds in the correct grade.
A lot has been made of the MD/DC area repeaters, but in fairness this seems to be an unfortunate trend in other regions as well and hardly an isolated item in the MD/DC area to make much a point of. And if you are in the know, you could literally fill two starting line-ups with the uncommitted kids from FCA, VLC, Madlax, Balt Crabs, Breakers and Annapolis Hawks/St. Mary's with better recruits before touching a name of a locally committed kid. No joke...the best of the best in MD/DC are not committed and it is wholly unfair to say they are serial repeaters. All of VLC's elite recruits are 14. Hard to believe standing next to them, but they are legit and just big strong kids for their age. Three poles and a goalie all going 6'0 and from 180-200 is no fun for the LI people, but we ain't sellin' it as fun Broseph. If it hurts your self esteem too much to play us, then stay home.
lol, ok no problem. You sound very tough. So all your VLC guys are super great amazing players? But they are all HUGE (6'0 180!!!!!) 14 year olds that haven't committed yet , correct?
And remind me again what the score was in your games against us last Summer? Or your games against any of the MD/DC teams this Fall? LI Express is a possum on the side of the I-95, Broseph.
2 line ups full of better recruits on these teams than the kids already committed locally, says the dad who's kid is obviously still on the board and hopelessly going to prospect days and hoping for the blue chip and maverick invites. How was the play in in Florida? Just look at their list of schools that they committed to and that recruited them and they turned down. The best of the best, for a reason. Typical. MD/VA parent.
News flash mr "in the know" at least 9 of the current crabs 2017's are re classed holdbacks. Obviously more than just a few, it's almost half their team. That's a fact!
News flash mr "in the know" at least 9 of the current crabs 2017's are re classed holdbacks. Obviously more than just a few, it's almost half their team. That's a fact!
Doesn't matter what they are...they got spanked pretty good at NSCLA by the tenacious ones.
[quote=Anonymous]2 line ups full of better recruits on these teams than the kids already committed locally,... says the dad who's kid is obviously still on the board and hopelessly going to prospect days and hoping for the blue chip and maverick invites. Let us know how the "play in" down in Florida goes with the other 600 kids?
Just look at the list of schools that these few committed to and that recruited them. Also the schools that they turned down. The best of the best, for a reason.. Typical. MD/VA parent, Broseph. Not sure what games you are watching. A few of these kids are the most skilled players in the class, by far and the best players on their teams. No one was surprised that these were the first to go. Except maybe a jealous dad or 2.
News flash mr "in the know" at least 9 of the current crabs 2017's are re classed holdbacks. Obviously more than just a few, it's almost half their team. That's a fact!
A year older, but not a year better. At some point they'll have to play their age and that'll be a rude awakening. 3d may have figured out how to put lipstick on a pig but this trend will run its course, moat likely in bench time for all these "hold backs"
Pa is catching right up with the reclassifing game. Dukes will have plenty on their squad this summer. Not sure why those kids don't continue to play their own age to challenge themselves.
While there are some "reclassified" players on Dukes it isn't as wide spread as your ill informed post makes it seem. Part of the misconception is being driven by the number of public school players that transfer to the much tougher InterAc schools. Some have been asked by the school to reclassify because of academic reasons and yes there are a small handful that have done it for athletic reasons but the total number is still very small. The 2017 HHH team that beat the Express, the Crabs and the Turtles at YounGunz didn't have any reclassified players on it at the time. Now it has one. If it makes you feel better about yourself to accuse them of bending the rules to explain why they beat the top teams on Long Island go right ahead. It says more about you than it does them.
Signed a Dukes parent.
Just wondering if all the turtles are legit
2017.....or are any of them held back?
Check birth certificates
And you'd be surprised about the turtles......
FACT!!!!
[quote=Anonymous]2 line ups full of better recruits on these teams than the kids already committed locally,... says the dad who's kid is obviously still on the board and hopelessly going to prospect days and hoping for the blue chip and maverick invites. Let us know how the "play in" down in Florida goes with the other 600 kids?
Just look at the list of schools that these few committed to and that recruited them. Also the schools that they turned down. The best of the best, for a reason.. Typical. MD/VA parent, Broseph. Not sure what games you are watching. A few of these kids are the most skilled players in the class, by far and the best players on their teams. No one was surprised that these were the first to go. Except maybe a jealous dad or 2.
So much chest-flexing on this board. Many, many good kids haven't committed yet. Only 20 kids have committed so far. High school lax season hasn't even started for these boys. Ivys have no commits, Patriot League has 1 commit, Georgetown no commits, etc. Congrats to all of the boys who have committed (yes, including the "re-classifieds"). Relax and let your boys enjoy the process. If they are good enough, they will have an opportunity. And it doesn't mean they aren't as good if they don't commit soon. A lot of that mentality (althought not all) is being driven by the parents.
Just wondering if all the turtles are legit
2017.....or are any of them held back?
Check birth certificates
And you'd be surprised about the turtles......
FACT!!!!
Just checked...legit. US Lacrosee checked also at U15 in FL over the summer. Might want to check yourself in the mirror to determine the severity of your looniness...
Really???? So most 9th graders are 15?
Some started kindergarten a yr later. It's the same
thing. If you do it later or earlier what's the difference?
Still the same you are complaining about the
Md kids, a year older than competition. Please
Stop....your embarrassing.....at least 1 was held
Back. Should be in 10th not 9th. FACT. Check into it.
You LI guys love excuses. Sure, some held backs have verbaled early. But they do not consitute the best players in the area. The two best lefty attackmen, the best righty attackman, and the top one or two players in the area at pole, middie and goalie are all better recruits than the current commits listed in this area. They all have three things in common. They play for VLC, they average close to 6'0 180 & they are all 14. I 14 years old. Different flacor of tough down here. You don't like, don't come back for another taste.
Typical post from a VLC parent. Not all MD/VA parents are obnoxious d-bags like this one.
Really???? So most 9th graders are 15?
Some started kindergarten a yr later. It's the same
thing. If you do it later or earlier what's the difference?
Still the same you are complaining about the
Md kids, a year older than competition. Please
Stop....your embarrassing.....at least 1 was held
Back. Should be in 10th not 9th. FACT. Check into it.
Every kid that played in U-15 last year qualifies this year per US Lacrosse rules. I think the real issue is that some of the recent commits are actually 16. None have left their current school and reestablished themselves in the class a year later
Just wondering if all the turtles are legit
2017.....or are any of them held back?
Check birth certificates
And you'd be surprised about the turtles......
FACT!!!!
Some Turtles are holbacks, FACT. Do as I say, not as I do. Ironic. I think people would be shocked if they knew which Turtles started kindergarten late!!
Just wondering if all the turtles are legit
2017.....or are any of them held back?
Check birth certificates
And you'd be surprised about the turtles......
FACT!!!!
Some Turtles are holbacks, FACT. Do as I say, not as I do. Ironic. I think people would be shocked if they knew which Turtles started kindergarten late!!
Ive heard this also, more than one of them. Many LI people knew several of them are older for years. I guess thats why they play up against B teams in 2016 all the time. No WAY they can go in u15 this year.
Really???? So most 9th graders are 15?
Some started kindergarten a yr later. It's the same
thing. If you do it later or earlier what's the difference?
Still the same you are complaining about the
Md kids, a year older than competition. Please
Stop....your embarrassing.....at least 1 was held
Back. Should be in 10th not 9th. FACT. Check into it.
Every kid that played in U-15 last year qualifies this year per US Lacrosse rules. I think the real issue is that some of the recent commits are actually 16. None have left their current school and reestablished themselves in the class a year later
That don't matter! A holdback is a holdback. Its cheating and looking for the advantage for your son to cut corners. If thats what your son and you need than god bless you, my kid is on age and is doing excellent.
Just wondering if all the turtles are legit
2017.....or are any of them held back?
Check birth certificates
And you'd be surprised about the turtles......
FACT!!!!
Some Turtles are holbacks, FACT. Do as I say, not as I do. Ironic. I think people would be shocked if they knew which Turtles started kindergarten late!!
Kimdergaden???? They all qualify for u-15, not sure what else matters.
If some of them were supposed to start school
at a certain age BUT DID NOT until the
Following year, that means they should be in
10th grade now, what don't you understand
about this? They beat the system, are playing
against kids a grade younger. Spin it anyway
you want to turtle parents but you are the same
as the Md parents. And it is a fact that some
Turtle kids should be in 10th grade. Can't deny
it, please don't try. Fact.
Just wondering if all the turtles are legit
2017.....or are any of them held back?
Check birth certificates
And you'd be surprised about the turtles......
FACT!!!!
Some Turtles are holbacks, FACT. Do as I say, not as I do. Ironic. I think people would be shocked if they knew which Turtles started kindergarten late!!
Kimdergaden???? They all qualify for u-15, not sure what else matters.
What matters is, some are holdbacks, just like the others they are so quick to criticize! Funny!
If some of them were supposed to start school
at a certain age BUT DID NOT until the
Following year, that means they should be in
10th grade now, what don't you understand
about this? They beat the system, are playing
against kids a grade younger. Spin it anyway
you want to turtle parents but you are the same
as the Md parents. And it is a fact that some
Turtle kids should be in 10th grade. Can't deny
it, please don't try. Fact.
This is true!
My brother skipped a grade in elementary school, graduated HS at 16 and although a very good athlete for is age never played sports in HS because he was too small and younger then everybody. He graduated College in 3 years while still only 19, I always thought he had an unfair advantage over other kids his age because he had two years work experience before other kids his age graduated college. While I am sure if he had it too do all over again he would give up all the money and success he has to just get that extra year of HS lacrosse.
Petro scouting 8th graders to repeat and Turtles scouting pre-k trying to convince parents to hold them back.. hahhaahahahah
I'm so tired of looking at this site and seeing age nonsense. I would like to get an inside track on prospect camps I haven't heard about or some really good recruiting camp or tournaments my Son is missing. That's what we need not the same old 5 year stuff. Everybody made a point, now move on to some stuff that might help a few of us.
The funny thing is I know who most of you are because you say the same nonsense to me every time I see you at games.
What are the hot prospect camps in January's calender, I think more are popping up. Who are the emerging schools on all three divisions. This would would be good stuff, I guess nobody wants to show their hand. What Schools have great young Coaches.
Nobody is breaking the law, so move on with this age thing.
I'm so tired of looking at this site and seeing age nonsense. I would like to get an inside track on prospect camps I haven't heard about or some really good recruiting camp or tournaments my Son is missing. That's what we need not the same old 5 year stuff. Everybody made a point, now move on to some stuff that might help a few of us.
The funny thing is I know who most of you are because you say the same nonsense to me every time I see you at games.
What are the hot prospect camps in January's calender, I think more are popping up. Who are the emerging schools on all three divisions. This would would be good stuff, I guess nobody wants to show their hand. What Schools have great young Coaches.
A- Im sure after insulting a bunch of us and trying to CHANGE the topic, Im SURE that people will RUSH to help you with info.
B- If you are asking NOW about important Jan prospect camps than you are WAY behind that 8 BALL AND OUT OF THE LOOP.
C- Instead of having zero pride and asking for someone to "help a few of us", how about you HELP YOURSELF.
UNC 2016/2017 Camp. January 11 & 12. Looks like 25 good schools are attending.
UNC 2016/2017 Camp. January 11 & 12. Looks like 25 good schools are attending.
good luck getting in it now.
There is also a Univ of Maryland prospect camp weekend after UNC one. I do not know how many other coaching staffs if any will be there. Hope that is helpful.
And remember, don't feed the LI parental animals.
There is also a Univ of Maryland prospect camp weekend after UNC one. I do not know how many other coaching staffs if any will be there. Hope that is helpful.
And remember, don't feed the LI parental animals.
Also, Harvard prospect day for 60 2016s and 2017s combined on January 19th.
Maryland has had a couple already? I expect after these two camp's a lot if the school's will start making offers.
Fairfield 2/9
GREAT UP AND COMING PROGRAM. VERY AGGRESSIVE COACH. WATCH THIS SCHOOL.
Maryland has had a couple already? I expect after these two camp's a lot if the school's will start making offers.
Maryland has done a few camps, but they have been stuff like dodging/shooting clinics. UMD has been more organized and has made more offerings to do these instructional things than other universities I am aware of. Good for business, and it also attracts kids preening for looks, so works out well for all. But their formal prospect camp is in January weekend after the UNC one. UMD has also been a lot less frantic on the early recruiting side, and that might not be a bad thing. UNC and UVA will soon fill up, and there are tons of great players everywhere to look at at I believe it is impossible for UVA or UNC to go on believing they have evaluated the playing field. Another clutch point to remember is that the West Coast Starz / Adrenaline guys are mostly ex-UMD players and have earned the coaches's ears at UMD. Along with Duke, I think UMD is the major program here that really does look for players in Texas, Chicago, Colorado, Florida and California before getting convinced the best are just the I-695 Baltimore to Towson drag exit kids. Look...every kid in Baltimore dreams of playing at Hop or UMD, but these two programs are taking a very different tack. Petro is sold on basically being Boys' Latin in drag and that is not a bad thing since that school is a lax factory producing very very good players consistently. UMD is not like that. Those coaches are very much of a mind they can find great players in San Diego, Dallas, etc. and just don't want to sign locals and call it a day. Hop is a great school, a better school than UMD. But if we are just talking lacrosse, look at what UMD has done in recent 3-5 years against Hop, and the results speak for themselves. UMD is doing it right and if there is room at their prospect day I would urge anyone to attend.
Interesting post on Maryland and Hopkins.
Hi All,
I just spent the last few days reading this thread and it's been informative and interesting.
As a dad from CT who admits to being out of the loop, I am feeling a bit defeated before I ever got to the game. My son is a 14 year old 2017, 5-10, 170. I would consider him a late bloomer in lacrosse, but now has the fire in the belly for lax. He played summer club for the first time in 2013. He played HS football in the fall. I am reading about all these invite only showcases and I am wondering how you get invited? I feel like he should have played fall ball in order to even have a chance. Do any of your sons play second sports?
Thanks for sharing and Happy New Year
All College prospect camps are open to all. You just have to find them and sign up before they fill up. Colleges send the information to the kids they have on the radar, but the camp is open to all. Go to the web site of the colleges you like and find the camp link or just goggle it . Figure 600 Boys will go division 1 only 25 have verbals, ton of spots, not to mention D 2 & 3.
Rutgers Prospect Day - 1/12/14
Thanks for the info, but how are kids already on the radar without playing HS? I know I'm late to the race but I feel my son now, even compared to summer, is a totally different player. Just having a season of HS Football conditioning and practice and JV/Varsity play has made him a better athlete physically and mentally.
It seems like if you don't go to the two showcases this summer everyone has been mentioning it's over before it started...
Is it the club coach that we need to lean on a bit? The HS coach doesn't even know him yet.
Thanks
Club Team is big. Turtles, 91, Express, Dukes, Crabs all go to top level tournaments. Many of the top level Tournaments have College Coaches.
Another UNC commit. Was a 2016 in Texas, taking a PG year and will count in 2017 class. FOGO/M. At this rate, UNC will fill their 2017 class by early summer (or earlier). Crazy stuff.
Thanks for the info, but how are kids already on the radar without playing HS? I know I'm late to the race but I feel my son now, even compared to summer, is a totally different player. Just having a season of HS Football conditioning and practice and JV/Varsity play has made him a better athlete physically and mentally.
It seems like if you don't go to the two showcases this summer everyone has been mentioning it's over before it started...
Is it the club coach that we need to lean on a bit? The HS coach doesn't even know him yet.
Thanks
I don't want to sound like a jerk (I am one but don't want to sound like one) but if your 9th grader who played jv/varsity football is a potential early commit D1 player then your HS coach has to know who he is. My HS coach can talk at length about 5th and 6th graders in his program. even if it is a private school and he is new to the school if he is a potential "UNC,UVA or Hopkins" kid I am sure the HS coach knows him and if not call him up and introduce yourself and then discuss recruiting camps with him.
Thanks Jerk. Jk
Well I don't think he is an early recruit. A chance to play somewhere would be nice. I just feel like we missed something along the way. Lacrosse isn't as ingrained in the culture here.
I am going to talk with the new coach but again it seems like we should have been talking months ago before he even started HS. Even if I thought of this it would not have been possible because we didn't know who the coach was going to be. Doesn't matter now anyway. According to all the earlier posts, invites are already out.
What happened to HS?
Thanks
CT Dad,
You're not behind, the bus did not leave. If you are in Fairfield Co, look into Eclipse. New program, but they are already very solid and have fabulous coaches. If you are with a good club team and going to the main Summer tournaments to play against other strong club teams, the college coaches will be there.
Showcases I think are fading. If you are a California or Texas kid, I can see in being crisis mode to get to JR or to Maverick Showtime but there are other venues to go for. You can sign your son up for Under Armour or Brine regional all star team tryouts for those Summer events without a nomination. The best route are prospect days at the schools your son is particularly interested in, and often there are other college coaches at them. Play well there, and it can make all the difference. Our son went to UVa one and was offered a spot because of it. If your son is dreaming of being a Cavalier or a Tarheel, then yes you are too late. I don't see any other buses filling up fast given our experience in the recruiting landscape. Our son wants to go Ivy and that process has not even started in earnest yet. Of course there are a lot of snippy comments on this thread from Dads bragging on Princeton or the like going all out after their sons, but take with a grain of salt. A lot of programs can't do the early dance like the Ivies, and some don't by choice. Duke said call us after next Summer.
Queue the lunatics again to blast the above, but don't be too down CT Dad. You have great club possibilities, and the high school teams are very good in Fairfield Co assuming that is where you are.
Anyone going to UNC this weekend? Looks like a great lineup of schools.
Anyone going to UNC this weekend? Looks like a great lineup of schools.
Yes. Almost like a very good showcase with the number of coaches attending. Have heard very positive things from kids who have gone in past years.
Admittedly know very little about this process so I apologize in advance for what is probably a very dumb question but how do you find a list of these showcase events? And what coaches, other than the host school, are going to be there? Thanks for any help
Admittedly know very little about this process so I apologize in advance for what is probably a very dumb question but how do you find a list of these showcase events? And what coaches, other than the host school, are going to be there? Thanks for any help
What other coaches will be there is kind of a pot luck surprise in my limited experience. Some prospect days will communicate what other coaches will be there formally and in advance and others you see what you get when you show up. The best way to get informed on prospect days is to internet search the university teams your son is interested in and the athletic department website will often have a tab for recruiting or recruits information. Or ask your club coach. Any club coach worth salt should be in the loop or can find out quickly for you. Same for your son's high school coaches. Lastly, I have simply emailed assistant coaches at some schools asking if they have a prospect day, and all have been prompt to furnish a link to a website or the like for me to follow failing the above. It is not hard to get informed.
Thanks much for your very helpful reply. One more question, when should a kid start going to these showcase events - sophomore year? Freshman? My son is in 8th grade.
For those that went to 3d bluechip last year and did NOT make it through to JR, do you still have an opportunity to go this year? Was it possible to get a direct invite this year. I guess I'm asking if you don't make it as a freshman does it hurt your chances the following year? Please advise.
Put these teams in order some from greatest to not as great
Express
fl$
Jesters
91
True Blue
Outlaws
Team Long Island
Put these teams in order some from greatest to not as great
Express
fl$
Jesters
91
True Blue
Outlaws
Team Long Island
Why? It would only be incendiary at best to ask this question. All the kids are good players. Leave it at that and let the tournaments answer this question.
Thanks much for your very helpful reply. One more question, when should a kid start going to these showcase events - sophomore year? Freshman? My son is in 8th grade.
To be candid, I really believe the most important thing is to be on a good club team that plays in good club tournaments in the Fall of 9th grade. Then prospect camps and perhaps some showcases to supplement as needed as a rising 10th grader. In my opinion early recruiting is an instance of club coaches full court pressing kids out with the enthused parents who are antsy to get 'er done, and not so much the dressings of the showcases.
Much is made of the JR camp for rising 9th graders, and frankly I think that is off the mark and is mostly 3d touting it's own. In truth 3d is a marketing organization and they work every assistant coach of D1 programs like a puppy looking for a leg to pee on. JR used to be a big deal, and I really don't see that being the case anymore. When my oldest son (now a senior) went as a rising soph he was one of 120 kids in his class. What is JR now? 2x120 slots in Summer and another JR thing in the Fall? That is really watering down the elite of the elite cache because it no longer exists for JR and believe me NCAA coaches concur.
Showcases can be a selective good thing, particularly if you are a non-hotbed area family on a club team that is not going to Crabfeast, King of Hill and Delaware MVP which are the Holy Trinity of highest end Summer tourneys. It is these three that the NCAA head coaches flock to.
Thanks much for your very helpful reply. One more question, when should a kid start going to these showcase events - sophomore year? Freshman? My son is in 8th grade.
To be candid, I really believe the most important thing is to be on a good club team that plays in good club tournaments in the Fall of 9th grade. Then prospect camps and perhaps some showcases to supplement as needed as a rising 10th grader. In my opinion early recruiting is an instance of club coaches full court pressing kids out with the enthused parents who are antsy to get 'er done, and not so much the dressings of the showcases.
Much is made of the JR camp for rising 9th graders, and frankly I think that is off the mark and is mostly 3d touting it's own. In truth 3d is a marketing organization and they work every assistant coach of D1 programs like a puppy looking for a leg to pee on. JR used to be a big deal, and I really don't see that being the case anymore. When my oldest son (now a senior) went as a rising soph he was one of 120 kids in his class. What is JR now? 2x120 slots in Summer and another JR thing in the Fall? That is really watering down the elite of the elite cache because it no longer exists for JR and believe me NCAA coaches concur.
Showcases can be a selective good thing, particularly if you are a non-hotbed area family on a club team that is not going to Crabfeast, King of Hill and Delaware MVP which are the Holy Trinity of highest end Summer tourneys. It is these three that the NCAA head coaches flock to.
Generally agree with all of the above - particularly Jake Reed at this point. Would add the NSCLA tournament to the Crabfeast, King of Hill and Delaware MVP tournaments. Also, I believe Maverick has become the top individual showcase and Black Card Showcase (now NSCLA Showcase, no longer affiliated with Adrenaline) have become increasingly important. Lastly, agree prospect days are a good use of time as long as there is some degree of interest shown by the school ahead of time and it is a school you think you child is potentially interested in.
Thanks much for your very helpful reply. One more question, when should a kid start going to these showcase events - sophomore year? Freshman? My son is in 8th grade.
To be candid, I really believe the most important thing is to be on a good club team that plays in good club tournaments in the Fall of 9th grade. Then prospect camps and perhaps some showcases to supplement as needed as a rising 10th grader. In my opinion early recruiting is an instance of club coaches full court pressing kids out with the enthused parents who are antsy to get 'er done, and not so much the dressings of the showcases.
Much is made of the JR camp for rising 9th graders, and frankly I think that is off the mark and is mostly 3d touting it's own. In truth 3d is a marketing organization and they work every assistant coach of D1 programs like a puppy looking for a leg to pee on. JR used to be a big deal, and I really don't see that being the case anymore. When my oldest son (now a senior) went as a rising soph he was one of 120 kids in his class. What is JR now? 2x120 slots in Summer and another JR thing in the Fall? That is really watering down the elite of the elite cache because it no longer exists for JR and believe me NCAA coaches concur.
Showcases can be a selective good thing, particularly if you are a non-hotbed area family on a club team that is not going to Crabfeast, King of Hill and Delaware MVP which are the Holy Trinity of highest end Summer tourneys. It is these three that the NCAA head coaches flock to.
Generally agree with all of the above - particularly Jake Reed at this point. Would add the NSCLA tournament to the Crabfeast, King of Hill and Delaware MVP tournaments. Also, I believe Maverick has become the top individual showcase and Black Card Showcase (now NSCLA Showcase, no longer affiliated with Adrenaline) have become increasingly important. Lastly, agree prospect days are a good use of time as long as there is some degree of interest shown by the school ahead of time and it is a school you think you child is potentially interested in.
My son went to Showtime last year after getting a recomendation from his HS coach. He did not do any other recruiting events or play for an elite travel team. He is a good player and made the "all star" team. Follwing the camp offers from almost every top program started to pour in as the coaches called our HS coach asking us to call them. My son had his pick. Don't fall into the trap of thinking you have to do all this traveling and spending big$$ Prospect days are a waste of money unless the coach personally invites you and there is already prior interest. I'm saying this because I know kids that have gone to these and nothing came of it. Good luck to all!
IL reporting 11 more 2017 announcements.
IL reporting 11 more 2017 announcements.
No! One more 2017 commit who is actually a sophomore today who will do a PG year before attending UNC and will come in with 2017 class. The other 10 were 2016s. 2017 class up to 22 commits accroding to IL 2017 commit list.
My son went to Showtime last year after getting a recomendation from his HS coach. He did not do any other recruiting events or play for an elite travel team. He is a good player and made the "all star" team. Follwing the camp offers from almost every top program started to pour in as the coaches called our HS coach asking us to call them. My son had his pick. Don't fall into the trap of thinking you have to do all this traveling and spending big$$ Prospect days are a waste of money unless the coach personally invites you and there is already prior interest. I'm saying this because I know kids that have gone to these and nothing came of it. Good luck to all!
Good point about the prospect camps, however, they all aren't created equal. For instance, here is the college lineup for the camp at UNC this weekend (from their website):
2014 College Coaches in Attendance:
University of North Carolina
Duke University
University of Virginia
Penn State
Ohio State University
US Military Academy
Fairfield University
John Hopkins University
Princeton University
Brown University
Bucknell University
Hofstra University
Providence College
University of Denver
University of Michigan
University of Maryland College Park
High Point University
Georgetown University
Dartmouth University
Harvard University
Furman University
Loyola University
Marquette University
Quinnipiac University
This is a great lineup and open to anyone, provided you sign up before the attendance limit is reached. This is just as good or better than a showcase and a special invite isn't needed.
The recruiting game is far from static and players/parents need to evaluate all potential avenues.
Thanks you to the earlier poster on Showtime. Since they did not have one last Summer for 2017s (I think), this one comes. Our club did not get any appointments to JR but got 5 to Showtime. We have a good club team...definitely competitive with Dukes, Crabs although we tend to lose those games by 2-3 goals.
Our club coach trashes JR camp saying it used to be great and now it is just lipstick on a 3d pig. Maybe that is too brutal and just sour grapes. But really, does it make any sense to anyone that a team would get 5 appoints to Showtime and a donut for JR? Makes less sense if JR is inferior, which I believe is the case now.
That is a great lineup and all those coaches attend but, they are not sitting the sideline watching the games. If you are lucky enough to be on a team with a coach from a school you are interested in it is a great opportunity. Other than that it is a good weekend playing lacrosse with decent to good players. With the exception of Breschi all the coaches in attendance are coaching a team. Good luck to all in the recruiting process.
Thanks you to the earlier poster on Showtime. Since they did not have one last Summer for 2017s (I think), this one comes. Our club did not get any appointments to JR but got 5 to Showtime. We have a good club team...definitely competitive with Dukes, Crabs although we tend to lose those games by 2-3 goals.
Our club coach trashes JR camp saying it used to be great and now it is just lipstick on a 3d pig. Maybe that is too brutal and just sour grapes. But really, does it make any sense to anyone that a team would get 5 appoints to Showtime and a donut for JR? Makes less sense if JR is inferior, which I believe is the case now.
If the kids excel at Showtime, believe me, the offers will follow. A lot of pressure for the kids, but it is a survival of the fittest world we live in! Jake Reed is on the way out, money grab, ain't nobody got time for that!
Stop with the " our club got-- appointments for JR". It dosent work that way! These are INDiViDUAL invites. You club coach wants you to think that it comes thu the club so you continue to pay the fees to him, or is it that you just don't get it?
These are INDIVIDUAL invites. That's why they are called "INDIVIDUAL" What's so hard to understand about that? You just didn't get one. If you got your show time invite them go to that but please stop saying that these are "club" appointments. It's just wrong!
Stop with the " our club got-- appointments for JR". It dosent work that way! These are INDiViDUAL invites. You club coach wants you to think that it comes thu the club so you continue to pay the fees to him, or is it that you just don't get it?
These are INDIVIDUAL invites. That's why they are called "INDIVIDUAL" What's so hard to understand about that? You just didn't get one. If you got your show time invite them go to that but please stop saying that these are "club" appointments. It's just wrong!
You are wrong. I know kids that got their invites though express last year. They did not deserve it, and that became clear when they showed nothing! if you get an invite because of politics, be prepared to be embarrassed! And waste your money!
Stop with the " our club got-- appointments for JR". It dosent work that way! These are INDiViDUAL invites. You club coach wants you to think that it comes thu the club so you continue to pay the fees to him, or is it that you just don't get it?
These are INDIVIDUAL invites. That's why they are called "INDIVIDUAL" What's so hard to understand about that? You just didn't get one. If you got your show time invite them go to that but please stop saying that these are "club" appointments. It's just wrong!
You don't know what you're talking about. In addition to playing your way into Jake Reed through 3D Blue Chip, Jake Reed gives spots to certain coaches and programs that are automatic bids. He definetly gives 2 to 3 spots to Chaminade, St. Anthony's, GC, Express, 91 and other comparable programs from Long Island.
Showtime is definetly the better Showcase compared to Jake Reed. Jake Reed is losing the juice.
I'm not wrong. Last year? That was NOT blue chip. That was 3d blue chip. Sorry to burst your bubble but you my friend are wrong. This is not 3d blue chip which is a "play in". This is the real blue chip. Those are INDIVIDUAL invites. They DONT come thru your club! But since you didn't get one, I guess you wouldn't know that. Keep waiting for your "club" invite and you will keep waiting. This isn't "last year". No 2nd hand knowledge needed here. FACT - 1st hand knowledge. I'm not asking a friend or using last year as a guess. Call JR and ask them for yourself how the "individual" invites are done for the real camp. Not the 3d play in camp, the real deal. Only given to the elite players that don't have to go and pay at another camp to "play in" with 600 others. One of the 50 that are hand selected "individual" invites. Club has nothing to do with it. Again I know this for FACT.
Stop with the " our club got-- appointments for JR". It dosent work that way! These are INDiViDUAL invites. You club coach wants you to think that it comes thu the club so you continue to pay the fees to him, or is it that you just don't get it?
These are INDIVIDUAL invites. That's why they are called "INDIVIDUAL" What's so hard to understand about that? You just didn't get one. If you got your show time invite them go to that but please stop saying that these are "club" appointments. It's just wrong!
You are wrong. I know kids that got their invites though express last year. They did not deserve it, and that became clear when they showed nothing! if you get an invite because of politics, be prepared to be embarrassed! And waste your money!
Yea Ok. Believe what you want. It dosent work that way for the real blue chip. Last year was the 3d "play in" that your speaking about. Not this year baby. Club has NOTHING to do with it! You gotta play in at 3d with 600 other kids, or be good enough to be one of the 50 "INDIVIDUAL" invites. These exclusive unites DONT come thru your club or anyone else's club. But you keep believing your club coach as he takes your money but trashes someone else for trying to do the same. You just don't get it! Obviously!! Thus the term "individual". You should call JR and ask how these kids get their invites. Got one this year and don't even play club! Oh how did that happen? No club coach or others to be appointed with? NO. These are individual invites ! You shouldn't say someone is wrong when you really have no clue how it works!
It works as follows:
2 ways to get into Jake Reed in July-
1--direct invite (for 2018-there are no direct invites) or
2--play in/try out through one of the 3d florida camps (2018 must try out, no direct invites)
For number 1, club coaches are not given any slots-individuals either get a direct invite or they don't
For number 2, club coaches are asked for input and given slots for players to spend the money to fly to Florida and try out with 120 player from their region (4 or 5 national regions). If a kid does well at the try out, he may then get picked to attend the Jake reed cap in July in MD...
It is really simply but lots of people confuse the florida 3d try outs with the real Jake reed camp in July in MD...
Stop with the " our club got-- appointments for JR". It dosent work that way! These are INDiViDUAL invites. You club coach wants you to think that it comes thu the club so you continue to pay the fees to him, or is it that you just don't get it?
These are INDIVIDUAL invites. That's why they are called "INDIVIDUAL" What's so hard to understand about that? You just didn't get one. If you got your show time invite them go to that but please stop saying that these are "club" appointments. It's just wrong!
You are wrong. I know kids that got their invites though express last year. They did not deserve it, and that became clear when they showed nothing! if you get an invite because of politics, be prepared to be embarrassed! And waste your money!
Yea Ok. Believe what you want. It dosent work that way for the real blue chip. Last year was the 3d "play in" that your speaking about. Not this year baby. Club has NOTHING to do with it! You gotta play in at 3d with 600 other kids, or be good enough to be one of the 50 "INDIVIDUAL" invites. These exclusive unites DONT come thru your club or anyone else's club. But you keep believing your club coach as he takes your money but trashes someone else for trying to do the same. You just don't get it! Obviously!! Thus the term "individual". You should call JR and ask how these kids get their invites. Got one this year and don't even play club! Oh how did that happen? No club coach or others to be appointed with? NO. These are individual invites ! You shouldn't say someone is wrong when you really have no clue how it works!
Actually, I know exactly how it works. There are some well connected coaches that get to recommend a few players to receive an individual invite. That's why we pay them the big bucks! Got mine that way. Sorry that you don't get it! FACT!
Stop with the " our club got-- appointments for JR". It dosent work that way! These are INDiViDUAL invites. You club coach wants you to think that it comes thu the club so you continue to pay the fees to him, or is it that you just don't get it?
These are INDIVIDUAL invites. That's why they are called "INDIVIDUAL" What's so hard to understand about that? You just didn't get one. If you got your show time invite them go to that but please stop saying that these are "club" appointments. It's just wrong!
You are wrong. I know kids that got their invites though express last year. They did not deserve it, and that became clear when they showed nothing! if you get an invite because of politics, be prepared to be embarrassed! And waste your money!
Yea Ok. Believe what you want. It dosent work that way for the real blue chip. Last year was the 3d "play in" that your speaking about. Not this year baby. Club has NOTHING to do with it! You gotta play in at 3d with 600 other kids, or be good enough to be one of the 50 "INDIVIDUAL" invites. These exclusive unites DONT come thru your club or anyone else's club. But you keep believing your club coach as he takes your money but trashes someone else for trying to do the same. You just don't get it! Obviously!! Thus the term "individual". You should call JR and ask how these kids get their invites. Got one this year and don't even play club! Oh how did that happen? No club coach or others to be appointed with? NO. These are individual invites ! You shouldn't say someone is wrong when you really have no clue how it works!
Actually, I know exactly how it works. There are some well connected coaches that get to recommend a few players to receive an individual invite. That's why we pay them the big bucks! Got mine that way. Sorry that you don't get it! FACT!
The earlier poster who is adamant that there all appointments are individual and not to and through club owners is plainly incorrect. Every year the Crabs owner communicates to his U-15 and then current freshman & sophomore team coaches the # of bespoke spots he has for the club. The coaches and the owner discuss and the owner has the last word on who gets and who does not. Maybe that is increasingly less common now with JR and 3d in bed with each other and trying to maximize revenue by having 2000 kids audition in Florida at $700 per, but so that this thread is not misinformed there are elite club teams and prep school teams that get bespoke spots. Our son's school coach has two and my son got one of them which we declined because he is going to Showcase and one $$$ thing like that is enough if he plays well enough. So this is two posters telling you we do have a clue as to how it worked - and worked out - for us. Congrats that your son got a direct invite from JR himself. Certainly something to be proud of. But curb the lunacy and misinformation. You're wrong on this one.
You are right - while the invites come directly from Jake, he certainly has a trusted network of high school and club coaches who he solicits input from. Whether or not there are "dedicated slots" I can't say, but to think he does this in a vacuum in foolish.
I just saw him at the 3d Blue Chip in Florida, and at best he was a passive observer of the the kids playing their four games. While the invite says Jake and Jamie they are obviously relying heavily on the two evaluators. Jamie is a lot more tuned into the games.
You are right - while the invites come directly from Jake, he certainly has a trusted network of high school and club coaches who he solicits input from. Whether or not there are "dedicated slots" I can't say, but to think he does this in a vacuum in foolish.
I just saw him at the 3d Blue Chip in Florida, and at best he was a passive observer of the the kids playing their four games. While the invite says Jake and Jamie they are obviously relying heavily on the two evaluators. Jamie is a lot more tuned into the games.
Let's be blunt...what you wrote is exactly why 3d is hated in Baltimore (and JR is a Baltimore guy, long time former M.I.A.A. coach). JR sold out for the money, the money is very good and he is basically getting rich for being a disinterested spectator. JR is just a namesake, it is a 3d camp with his brand name on it. The prestige of that is rapidly diminishing and deservedly so.
You are right - while the invites come directly from Jake, he certainly has a trusted network of high school and club coaches who he solicits input from. Whether or not there are "dedicated slots" I can't say, but to think he does this in a vacuum in foolish.
I just saw him at the 3d Blue Chip in Florida, and at best he was a passive observer of the the kids playing their four games. While the invite says Jake and Jamie they are obviously relying heavily on the two evaluators. Jamie is a lot more tuned into the games.
Let's be blunt...what you wrote is exactly why 3d is hated in Baltimore (and JR is a Baltimore guy, long time former M.I.A.A. coach). JR sold out for the money, the money is very good and he is basically getting rich for being a disinterested spectator. JR is just a namesake, it is a 3d camp with his brand name on it. The prestige of that is rapidly diminishing and deservedly so.
In any case; they gather a great group of players who get a chance to play together and further their skills and I would say that last summer's group was fairly representative of the upper echelon of the 2017 class of players
getting a direct invite didn't hurt the wallet as much but it sure has been expensive along the way to say the least
You are right - while the invites come directly from Jake, he certainly has a trusted network of high school and club coaches who he solicits input from. Whether or not there are "dedicated slots" I can't say, but to think he does this in a vacuum in foolish.
I just saw him at the 3d Blue Chip in Florida, and at best he was a passive observer of the the kids playing their four games. While the invite says Jake and Jamie they are obviously relying heavily on the two evaluators. Jamie is a lot more tuned into the games.
Let's be blunt...what you wrote is exactly why 3d is hated in Baltimore (and JR is a Baltimore guy, long time former M.I.A.A. coach). JR sold out for the money, the money is very good and he is basically getting rich for being a disinterested spectator. JR is just a namesake, it is a 3d camp with his brand name on it. The prestige of that is rapidly diminishing and deservedly so.
Totally agree with you - the overall talent at the first session in Florida was mediocre at best. There were some good players who could hang with anyone from any region, but was astonished with the overall level of play and kids who seriously couldn't catch and throw - I think by the time you take the direct invites and the one's picked via the 3d Blue Chip you have a pretty solid group, but this is turning into a money grab. I don't want to totally diss 3d, because the training is good, and it exposes kids to techniques many of them have never seen before, but at this point they need fewer kids or fewer cycles to maintain the quality of play.
You are right - while the invites come directly from Jake, he certainly has a trusted network of high school and club coaches who he solicits input from. Whether or not there are "dedicated slots" I can't say, but to think he does this in a vacuum in foolish.
I just saw him at the 3d Blue Chip in Florida, and at best he was a passive observer of the the kids playing their four games. While the invite says Jake and Jamie they are obviously relying heavily on the two evaluators. Jamie is a lot more tuned into the games.
Let's be blunt...what you wrote is exactly why 3d is hated in Baltimore (and JR is a Baltimore guy, long time former M.I.A.A. coach). JR sold out for the money, the money is very good and he is basically getting rich for being a disinterested spectator. JR is just a namesake, it is a 3d camp with his brand name on it. The prestige of that is rapidly diminishing and deservedly so.
Totally agree with you - the overall talent at the first session in Florida was mediocre at best. There were some good players who could hang with anyone from any region, but was astonished with the overall level of play and kids who seriously couldn't catch and throw - I think by the time you take the direct invites and the one's picked via the 3d Blue Chip you have a pretty solid group, but this is turning into a money grab. I don't want to totally diss 3d, because the training is good, and it exposes kids to techniques many of them have never seen before, but at this point they need fewer kids or fewer cycles to maintain the quality of play.
I think what is being lost in translation is that every region differs in talent. An amazing player in lets say Florida is only mediocre in MD and NY. If I may use the example of the Olympics vs regions. Is it fair to say that Italy wont put a good basebal team together but those players playing for the Olympic team and are the best that that country has to offer. Comparing some of these new to lacrosse regions to an area that has a long history of lacrosse like Long Island is just unfair. So having regions is a good way to promote the sport. The best areas will have the toughest competition and things are harder for those kids and thats just the way it is. Cream always rises to the top and as the sport grows so will the talent pool. Look at Texas and California. They are producing some great teams.
You are right - while the invites come directly from Jake, he certainly has a trusted network of high school and club coaches who he solicits input from. Whether or not there are "dedicated slots" I can't say, but to think he does this in a vacuum in foolish.
I just saw him at the 3d Blue Chip in Florida, and at best he was a passive observer of the the kids playing their four games. While the invite says Jake and Jamie they are obviously relying heavily on the two evaluators. Jamie is a lot more tuned into the games.
Let's be blunt...what you wrote is exactly why 3d is hated in Baltimore (and JR is a Baltimore guy, long time former M.I.A.A. coach). JR sold out for the money, the money is very good and he is basically getting rich for being a disinterested spectator. JR is just a namesake, it is a 3d camp with his brand name on it. The prestige of that is rapidly diminishing and deservedly so.
Totally agree with you - the overall talent at the first session in Florida was mediocre at best. There were some good players who could hang with anyone from any region, but was astonished with the overall level of play and kids who seriously couldn't catch and throw - I think by the time you take the direct invites and the one's picked via the 3d Blue Chip you have a pretty solid group, but this is turning into a money grab. I don't want to totally diss 3d, because the training is good, and it exposes kids to techniques many of them have never seen before, but at this point they need fewer kids or fewer cycles to maintain the quality of play.
I was the poster above and appreciate this response...lacrosse is a fairly immature sport in high growth mode and I get it that kids from other regions can play in front of the coaches they want to be recruited by. I think 3d lost their soul along the way. Yes, they have good coaches and instruction for their teams. But at another level they are doing harm with overdoing the recruiting showcase extortion. We're idiots. This is a 12.6 scholarship for 45 spots sport. So those of us who pay $700 for Florida then $700 for U.N.C. camp on way home are basically investing what we HOPE will be yielded in scholarship cash? Someone needs to start doing parent financial advisory showcases for this group. Anyone want to partner up with me on that? $700 a session. Debit or PayPal.
You are right on! More kids are getting there looks from Showtime, which is local for LI and so much more bang for the buck!!
Can someone explain to me how a PG year works and the benefits? I guess similar to what Pannell did.
With Boarding it cost’s $57K to attend Deerfield, he then used this as a spring board to Cornell, Ivy league which doesn’t offer scholarships. Financially, do the families cover the full cost of PG with the expectation of an IVY education? I understand there are grants etc to help out with the tuition at Cornell but $57K is a lot to absorb just to get there. Anyone familiar with how the PG avenue works?
Can someone explain to me how a PG year works and the benefits? I guess similar to what Pannell did.
With Boarding it cost’s $57K to attend Deerfield, he then used this as a spring board to Cornell, Ivy league which doesn’t offer scholarships. Financially, do the families cover the full cost of PG with the expectation of an IVY education? I understand there are grants etc to help out with the tuition at Cornell but $57K is a lot to absorb just to get there. Anyone familiar with how the PG avenue works?
Yes, I went to a NE boarding school a generation ago. Then it was almost always athletes, mostly hockey players from Canada, who were recruited heavily by an Ivy but could not get through admissions. So spend a year at a prep school as PG and it would qualify the kid for Harvard, Cornell, etc.
I remember it being nothing about trying to be recruited as an athlete...the PG system was always a "academic boost" year for ringers who were already heavy recruits. The college coaches would steer kids to places like Deerfield and Deerfield sure didn't mind getting great hockey players who had a spot at an Ivy all but waiting for them.
So maybe things have changed, but back then it was not something to do to get noticed or have another stab at impressing coaches. It was all about getting hot recruits academically eligible. Also, the Canadians used to get close to full financial aid. Check the endowment for the likes of Deerfield and you will see what I mean. Some of these prep schools have enormous endowments and can give aid very generously when needed. So if your concern is dollars and you have a need, the aid will be there.
You are right - while the invites come directly from Jake, he certainly has a trusted network of high school and club coaches who he solicits input from. Whether or not there are "dedicated slots" I can't say, but to think he does this in a vacuum in foolish.
I just saw him at the 3d Blue Chip in Florida, and at best he was a passive observer of the the kids playing their four games. While the invite says Jake and Jamie they are obviously relying heavily on the two evaluators. Jamie is a lot more tuned into the games.
Let's be blunt...what you wrote is exactly why 3d is hated in Baltimore (and JR is a Baltimore guy, long time former M.I.A.A. coach). JR sold out for the money, the money is very good and he is basically getting rich for being a disinterested spectator. JR is just a namesake, it is a 3d camp with his brand name on it. The prestige of that is rapidly diminishing and deservedly so.
Totally agree with you - the overall talent at the first session in Florida was mediocre at best. There were some good players who could hang with anyone from any region, but was astonished with the overall level of play and kids who seriously couldn't catch and throw - I think by the time you take the direct invites and the one's picked via the 3d Blue Chip you have a pretty solid group, but this is turning into a money grab. I don't want to totally diss 3d, because the training is good, and it exposes kids to techniques many of them have never seen before, but at this point they need fewer kids or fewer cycles to maintain the quality of play.
I was the poster above and appreciate this response...lacrosse is a fairly immature sport in high growth mode and I get it that kids from other regions can play in front of the coaches they want to be recruited by. I think 3d lost their soul along the way. Yes, they have good coaches and instruction for their teams. But at another level they are doing harm with overdoing the recruiting showcase extortion. We're idiots. This is a 12.6 scholarship for 45 spots sport. So those of us who pay $700 for Florida then $700 for U.N.C. camp on way home are basically investing what we HOPE will be yielded in scholarship cash? Someone needs to start doing parent financial advisory showcases for this group. Anyone want to partner up with me on that? $700 a session. Debit or PayPal.
You need to set your sights on good academic schools in DIII. If your son has decent grades he can get $15,000 to $20,000 a year or more in academic and merit money. Seems floe freely for lax players. Oh, and if your son decides he doesn't want to play or has an injury the money is still there for all four years. $60-80k in merit and academic money compensates ol Dad for a lot of tournaments, lessons, camps and clinics....
That post makes all the sense in the world. Lacrosse is for 4 years, and a degree is for life. What school would you rather have a degree from, Tufts or BU?
That post makes all the sense in the world. Lacrosse is for 4 years, and a degree is for life. What school would you rather have a degree from, Tufts or BU?
I think BU (Boston University) is a bad example, I do get your point and agree with you. but BU is a very good school.
You are right - while the invites come directly from Jake, he certainly has a trusted network of high school and club coaches who he solicits input from. Whether or not there are "dedicated slots" I can't say, but to think he does this in a vacuum in foolish.
I just saw him at the 3d Blue Chip in Florida, and at best he was a passive observer of the the kids playing their four games. While the invite says Jake and Jamie they are obviously relying heavily on the two evaluators. Jamie is a lot more tuned into the games.
Let's be blunt...what you wrote is exactly why 3d is hated in Baltimore (and JR is a Baltimore guy, long time former M.I.A.A. coach). JR sold out for the money, the money is very good and he is basically getting rich for being a disinterested spectator. JR is just a namesake, it is a 3d camp with his brand name on it. The prestige of that is rapidly diminishing and deservedly so.
Totally agree with you - the overall talent at the first session in Florida was mediocre at best. There were some good players who could hang with anyone from any region, but was astonished with the overall level of play and kids who seriously couldn't catch and throw - I think by the time you take the direct invites and the one's picked via the 3d Blue Chip you have a pretty solid group, but this is turning into a money grab. I don't want to totally diss 3d, because the training is good, and it exposes kids to techniques many of them have never seen before, but at this point they need fewer kids or fewer cycles to maintain the quality of play.
I was the poster above and appreciate this response...lacrosse is a fairly immature sport in high growth mode and I get it that kids from other regions can play in front of the coaches they want to be recruited by. I think 3d lost their soul along the way. Yes, they have good coaches and instruction for their teams. But at another level they are doing harm with overdoing the recruiting showcase extortion. We're idiots. This is a 12.6 scholarship for 45 spots sport. So those of us who pay $700 for Florida then $700 for U.N.C. camp on way home are basically investing what we HOPE will be yielded in scholarship cash? Someone needs to start doing parent financial advisory showcases for this group. Anyone want to partner up with me on that? $700 a session. Debit or PayPal.
You need to set your sights on good academic schools in DIII. If your son has decent grades he can get $15,000 to $20,000 a year or more in academic and merit money. Seems floe freely for lax players. Oh, and if your son decides he doesn't want to play or has an injury the money is still there for all four years. $60-80k in merit and academic money compensates ol Dad for a lot of tournaments, lessons, camps and clinics....
Your going to need more than "decent" grades to get into a NESCAC, Patriot or Ivy.
That post makes all the sense in the world. Lacrosse is for 4 years, and a degree is for life. What school would you rather have a degree from, Tufts or BU?
IVY
You are right - while the invites come directly from Jake, he certainly has a trusted network of high school and club coaches who he solicits input from. Whether or not there are "dedicated slots" I can't say, but to think he does this in a vacuum in foolish.
I just saw him at the 3d Blue Chip in Florida, and at best he was a passive observer of the the kids playing their four games. While the invite says Jake and Jamie they are obviously relying heavily on the two evaluators. Jamie is a lot more tuned into the games.
Let's be blunt...what you wrote is exactly why 3d is hated in Baltimore (and JR is a Baltimore guy, long time former M.I.A.A. coach). JR sold out for the money, the money is very good and he is basically getting rich for being a disinterested spectator. JR is just a namesake, it is a 3d camp with his brand name on it. The prestige of that is rapidly diminishing and deservedly so.
Totally agree with you - the overall talent at the first session in Florida was mediocre at best. There were some good players who could hang with anyone from any region, but was astonished with the overall level of play and kids who seriously couldn't catch and throw - I think by the time you take the direct invites and the one's picked via the 3d Blue Chip you have a pretty solid group, but this is turning into a money grab. I don't want to totally diss 3d, because the training is good, and it exposes kids to techniques many of them have never seen before, but at this point they need fewer kids or fewer cycles to maintain the quality of play.
I was the poster above and appreciate this response...lacrosse is a fairly immature sport in high growth mode and I get it that kids from other regions can play in front of the coaches they want to be recruited by. I think 3d lost their soul along the way. Yes, they have good coaches and instruction for their teams. But at another level they are doing harm with overdoing the recruiting showcase extortion. We're idiots. This is a 12.6 scholarship for 45 spots sport. So those of us who pay $700 for Florida then $700 for U.N.C. camp on way home are basically investing what we HOPE will be yielded in scholarship cash? Someone needs to start doing parent financial advisory showcases for this group. Anyone want to partner up with me on that? $700 a session. Debit or PayPal.
You need to set your sights on good academic schools in DIII. If your son has decent grades he can get $15,000 to $20,000 a year or more in academic and merit money. Seems floe freely for lax players. Oh, and if your son decides he doesn't want to play or has an injury the money is still there for all four years. $60-80k in merit and academic money compensates ol Dad for a lot of tournaments, lessons, camps and clinics....
Your going to need more than "decent" grades to get into a NESCAC, Patriot or Ivy.
True with regard to NESCAC. Patriot and Ivy are not DIII. Poster above was referring to economics of fractional scholarships at D1 schools and how little money they dole out. The other poster offered D3 as an alternative that will give money for good students and are free with merit money for athletes. Further, unless your son is interested in studying liberal arts, then NESCAC schools are not for your son. Unless he is completely hooked on grad school, I'm not sure what he will do with a liberal arts degree? Regardless of how well regarded the school is. It has been well documented recently in the WSJ that there is little or no value in a liberal arts degree. It ranks as the major with the highest level of joblessness amongst all degrees. Before you all jump out of your skin to prove me wrong, I suggest you read the articles. Further, I suggest folks stop with all name brand school stuff. I hope you realize in many instances you are paying through the nose for those brands. I will tell you as someone who has hired many people in my career for very good six figure plus positions, I never made my decision to hire someone based on the school they went to. I'm all for giving kids as much opportunity as you can, however the equation doesn't always add up to the perception.
BU is a top 50 international University whose graduates are routinely sought after by employers:
http://www.inc.com/jessica-stillman/10-universities-with-the-most-ambitious-students.html There is no drop off between Tufts and BU - I would be proud to send my children to either school.
Good conversation. The secret to all this madness is to use the lacrosse to get into a better school. D1 , 2 or 3. I think most will be surprised at the lattitude for the Athlete.
Big gap vs traditional Student.
Another 2017 commit according to Ty Zanders at Inside Lacrosse - Kevin Gill, Middie, from Leading Edge (NJ). Apparently his older brother is committed to Duke.
That post makes all the sense in the world. Lacrosse is for 4 years, and a degree is for life. What school would you rather have a degree from, Tufts or BU?
The ? is not relative, Tufts and BU are both highly regarded University's, with Tufts being one of the premier D-3 programs and BU a new D-1 program. the ? should be about the student athlete,such as what course of study do I want? does this school offer that? can I compete at that level? will I get on the field? and so on.
That post makes all the sense in the world. Lacrosse is for 4 years, and a degree is for life. What school would you rather have a degree from, Tufts or BU?
The ? is not relative, Tufts and BU are both highly regarded University's, with Tufts being one of the premier D-3 programs and BU a new D-1 program. the ? should be about the student athlete,such as what course of study do I want? does this school offer that? can I compete at that level? will I get on the field? and so on.
Isn't the real question whether or not you want to be known as a Jumbo?
Good conversation. The secret to all this madness is to use the lacrosse to get into a better school. D1 , 2 or 3. I think most will be surprised at the lattitude for the Athlete.
Big gap vs traditional Student.
Was just down at the UNC camp. Full disclosure, I have a son in the 2016 class and I had never seen the 2017 class play prior to the camp. I have to say for all of the noise on this thread about recruiting, I was thoroughly unimpressed with the talent in the 2017 class at UNC. I saw incredibly low lax IQ, shoddy passing and catching with balls going out of bounds on almost every posession and goalies that stood a foot below the cross bar. I would say no more than 10% of the 2017s at the camp could hang in a 2016 game let alone be even remotely on any recruiting radar. Unless the talent at the camp was not representative of the upper tier of the class, IMHO this now appears to be the most self absorbed and over-hyped class (and group of parents) yet. Sorry for the reality check but these boys need a few more years of seasoning before any colleges should be looking at them.
Another 2017 commit according to Ty Zanders at Inside Lacrosse - Kevin Gill, Middie, from Leading Edge (NJ). Apparently his older brother is committed to Duke.
Saw this kid play vs. Team 91 at the Terrapin Classic in the Fall. Very good player, Leading Edge is a good team.
Good conversation. The secret to all this madness is to use the lacrosse to get into a better school. D1 , 2 or 3. I think most will be surprised at the lattitude for the Athlete.
Big gap vs traditional Student.
Was just down at the UNC camp. Full disclosure, I have a son in the 2016 class and I had never seen the 2017 class play prior to the camp. I have to say for all of the noise on this thread about recruiting, I was thoroughly unimpressed with the talent in the 2017 class at UNC. I saw incredibly low lax IQ, shoddy passing and catching with balls going out of bounds on almost every posession and goalies that stood a foot below the cross bar. I would say no more than 10% of the 2017s at the camp could hang in a 2016 game let alone be even remotely on any recruiting radar. Unless the talent at the camp was not representative of the upper tier of the class, IMHO this now appears to be the most self absorbed and over-hyped class (and group of parents) yet. Sorry for the reality check but these boys need a few more years of seasoning before any colleges should be looking at them.
Agreed, and I bet the kid who just committed was not there!
Good conversation. The secret to all this madness is to use the lacrosse to get into a better school. D1 , 2 or 3. I think most will be surprised at the lattitude for the Athlete.
Big gap vs traditional Student.
Was just down at the UNC camp. Full disclosure, I have a son in the 2016 class and I had never seen the 2017 class play prior to the camp. I have to say for all of the noise on this thread about recruiting, I was thoroughly unimpressed with the talent in the 2017 class at UNC. I saw incredibly low lax IQ, shoddy passing and catching with balls going out of bounds on almost every posession and goalies that stood a foot below the cross bar. I would say no more than 10% of the 2017s at the camp could hang in a 2016 game let alone be even remotely on any recruiting radar. Unless the talent at the camp was not representative of the upper tier of the class, IMHO this now appears to be the most self absorbed and over-hyped class (and group of parents) yet. Sorry for the reality check but these boys need a few more years of seasoning before any colleges should be looking at them.
One year makes a big difference. Playing one year in high school and in the high end club circuit, learning how to play in showcases, prospects days, etc. makes a big difference. I agree there is a lot of development needed, but I also assure you there are a lot of very good players among those that attended UNC in the 2017 class who will end up at top schools.
Good conversation. The secret to all this madness is to use the lacrosse to get into a better school. D1 , 2 or 3. I think most will be surprised at the lattitude for the Athlete.
Big gap vs traditional Student.
Was just down at the UNC camp. Full disclosure, I have a son in the 2016 class and I had never seen the 2017 class play prior to the camp. I have to say for all of the noise on this thread about recruiting, I was thoroughly unimpressed with the talent in the 2017 class at UNC. I saw incredibly low lax IQ, shoddy passing and catching with balls going out of bounds on almost every posession and goalies that stood a foot below the cross bar. I would say no more than 10% of the 2017s at the camp could hang in a 2016 game let alone be even remotely on any recruiting radar. Unless the talent at the camp was not representative of the upper tier of the class, IMHO this now appears to be the most self absorbed and over-hyped class (and group of parents) yet. Sorry for the reality check but these boys need a few more years of seasoning before any colleges should be looking at them.
One year makes a big difference. Playing one year in high school and in the high end club circuit, learning how to play in showcases, prospects days, etc. makes a big difference. I agree there is a lot of development needed, but I also assure you there are a lot of very good players among those that attended UNC in the 2017 class who will end up at top schools.
They were smart to seperate the 2017s from the 2016s. They would have been crushed. Although at some point this year they will be mixing and it will be ugly.
I would imagine most of the best players were not there! If already a top player then you are already committed or already fielding offers so why would you go? What you saw was more than likely the 2nd tier of 2017 talent! That was not a very well throughout post! If your in the top tier of your class, sorry but there is no need to go to these camps with everyone else. Your already committed, offered or on their radar. Duh!
And dad, if your 2016 is there... Well then their you go because most of the top teams have already filled up their spots for 2016 class so your probably at the wrong schools. The TOP players do not need to go to these "prospect" camps. They are for everyone else. Sorry!
Pretty arrogant statement.
Maybe so but it's true. Not meant to be anything but an explanation of who he saw talent wise at this camp and why.
I would imagine most of the best players were not there! If already a top player then you are already committed or already fielding offers so why would you go? What you saw was more than likely the 2nd tier of 2017 talent! That was not a very well throughout post! If your in the top tier of your class, sorry but there is no need to go to these camps with everyone else. Your already committed, offered or on their radar. Duh!
And dad, if your 2016 is there... Well then their you go because most of the top teams have already filled up their spots for 2016 class so your probably at the wrong schools. The TOP players do not need to go to these "prospect" camps. They are for everyone else. Sorry!
There is nothing wrong with going to prospect days. They are open to anyone who signs up and pays. Some top players go to them, and some go to showcases. I'd rather spend the time and money going to these over a showcase (Showtime excepted) to see the schools and God forbid see the campus, do an admissions tour, etc.
Get over another point you can't agree with. There is nothing to point to showing "the best players" are the early commits. The early commits in our area are the hardest charging parental units who would have a blown up ego if their son didn't win some early commit race. By my estimation the best team is Turtles and those kids are not plunging. No Breakers kids. None of the top 5-6 VLC kids. None of the top 5-6 FCA Balt kids. Think maybe some of these kids aspire to Ivy or Patriot league teams or Duke or ND...none of which seem to be in any hurry or just don't go for 9th grade commits?
Early commit list has good players, yes. Mostly the best players? Can't say that.
Maybe so but it's true. Not meant to be anything but an explanation of who he saw talent wise at this camp and why.
Arrogant, misinformed, ridiculous statement. The 2017 kiddie from Leading who just committed today was at the camp. I guess he sucked and didn't need to attend any prospect days. They wanted to see him play in from of their entire coaching staff.
I wasn't at UNC but have heard college coaches say the 2016 class is loaded with talent. Figure all the best 2016's are committed and weren't at UNC. What does that say for the 2017's?
I would imagine most of the best players were not there! If already a top player then you are already committed or already fielding offers so why would you go? What you saw was more than likely the 2nd tier of 2017 talent! That was not a very well throughout post! If your in the top tier of your class, sorry but there is no need to go to these camps with everyone else. Your already committed, offered or on their radar. Duh!
And dad, if your 2016 is there... Well then their you go because most of the top teams have already filled up their spots for 2016 class so your probably at the wrong schools. The TOP players do not need to go to these "prospect" camps. They are for everyone else. Sorry!
There is nothing wrong with going to prospect days. They are open to anyone who signs up and pays. Some top players go to them, and some go to showcases. I'd rather spend the time and money going to these over a showcase (Showtime excepted) to see the schools and God forbid see the campus, do an admissions tour, etc.
Get over another point you can't agree with. There is nothing to point to showing "the best players" are the early commits. The early commits in our area are the hardest charging parental units who would have a blown up ego if their son didn't win some early commit race. By my estimation the best team is Turtles and those kids are not plunging. No Breakers kids. None of the top 5-6 VLC kids. None of the top 5-6 FCA Balt kids. Think maybe some of these kids aspire to Ivy or Patriot league teams or Duke or ND...none of which seem to be in any hurry or just don't go for 9th grade commits?
Early commit list has good players, yes. Mostly the best players? Can't say that.
Oh yes you're right. Everyone knows all the best players on their teams aren't selected, recruited or drafted until the 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounds. It's important to keep in Mind this arms race these coaches are involved in is for the best talent and is for their livelihoods.
I would imagine most of the best players were not there! If already a top player then you are already committed or already fielding offers so why would you go? What you saw was more than likely the 2nd tier of 2017 talent! That was not a very well throughout post! If your in the top tier of your class, sorry but there is no need to go to these camps with everyone else. Your already committed, offered or on their radar. Duh!
And dad, if your 2016 is there... Well then their you go because most of the top teams have already filled up their spots for 2016 class so your probably at the wrong schools. The TOP players do not need to go to these "prospect" camps. They are for everyone else. Sorry!
There is nothing wrong with going to prospect days. They are open to anyone who signs up and pays. Some top players go to them, and some go to showcases. I'd rather spend the time and money going to these over a showcase (Showtime excepted) to see the schools and God forbid see the campus, do an admissions tour, etc.
Get over another point you can't agree with. There is nothing to point to showing "the best players" are the early commits. The early commits in our area are the hardest charging parental units who would have a blown up ego if their son didn't win some early commit race. By my estimation the best team is Turtles and those kids are not plunging. No Breakers kids. None of the top 5-6 VLC kids. None of the top 5-6 FCA Balt kids. Think maybe some of these kids aspire to Ivy or Patriot league teams or Duke or ND...none of which seem to be in any hurry or just don't go for 9th grade commits?
Early commit list has good players, yes. Mostly the best players? Can't say that.
I would imagine and common sense would dictate that with limited spots per class 9-12 to work with, and most of them filling up quickly, these top programs and coaches target their top prospects 1st and try to wrap them up ASAP. It is a very competitive situation for them with these top players being offered multiple deals from multiple schools. So if you really want him, you'd better get him 1st. And if your not one of those on your team then your probably not yet in that situation to be considering a commitment or offer. That's ok but your also probably in all honesty not the best 5 or 6 on your team.
But also best is subjective and I would probably say best "fit" for each program. I would think like in every other sport, the top players are taken first. Maybe not who "you"!think is best, "your son" but certainly the top players and the best fit according to the top programs. I don't think the parents are pushing as much as you might think!
It seems to me that most of the 2017 commits are really 2016s in PG drag. There really isn't much identifiable D1 talent in the "true" 2017 class. At least not yet.
UNC was not an invite camp. If they want the best talent, they need to be a bit more selective and not run the application process like a radio station sweepstakes "First 100 callers get an invite!" It's an obvious money-grab dressed up to look like an elite showcase.
The whole early commit thing is blown out of proportion. I can understand if a 2017 commits to a top 10 school, like west point, duke or UVA, but 3 years is a long time to wait to go to a college, the coaching staff could change, the student’s goals for an education could change. I believe the best time to commit would be the summer before there junior year. Ask a 2017 student what they want to pursue as a degree in college, I bet most of them have no idea. As far as the top tier 2017 are all committed and only the leftovers are attending the showcase, you may friend are clueless, keep telling yourself that. I know of three cases where a walk on took a spot from a recruited player. The end result of everything we do for our kids is to get them into a great school, get a great education and possibility of playing lacrosse at a high level, not brag that they “verbally committed at the age of 14/15 years old”. When the time comes when they do commit I would be more excited if it’s to a school that has a major that they would want , and not just a great lacrosse college.
I have news for you all the top players 2017 class were home mulling over offers or are committed in one form or another. They were not down at UNC. Plenty of talent in the 2017 class. If you are not aware of this then you're living under a rock. Not saying that the 2016 class isn't incredibly talented but don't for a second think the UNC camp was representitve of the best 2017's. THAT IS A FACT!!!!
UNC Camp is an outstanding camp for recruitment. Open to all see you get a few who don't belong. Great list of Colleges attending.
I have news for you all the top players 2017 class were home mulling over offers or are committed in one form or another. They were not down at UNC. Plenty of talent in the 2017 class. If you are not aware of this then you're living under a rock. Not saying that the 2016 class isn't incredibly talented but don't for a second think the UNC camp was representitve of the best 2017's. THAT IS A FACT!!!!
I totally agree! But if your not in that group you just don't get it or don't want to believe it.
I guess it comes down to the fact that most of these people on here just don't understand that there is a difference between playing and "being" recruited by college coaches and actively "trying" to be recruited by college coaches. One is they come after you, the other is you pursue them. Nothing wrong with the latter, please just stop confusing these different types of players. The best on these teams are or have been recruited already.
Another true 2017 commits (Penn State), Probably the best goalie in the grade.
Another true 2017 commits (Penn State), Probably the best goalie in the grade.
From where?
You sound like Ted Knight to Rodney Dangerfield at Bushwood Country Club. Some people don't belong! Who are you to judge. If the kids aren't good enough, they will find out by not being recruited. They paid the fee too !
I completely agree. It was more telling who was absent than who was there!!!!!!
Another true 2017 commits (Penn State), Probably the best goalie in the grade.
The best goalie in the grade by many accounts is the kid on the Breakers who is not committed yet.
You sound like Ted Knight to Rodney Dangerfield at Bushwood Country Club. Some people don't belong!
Actually, as a self-professed Caddyshack officienado, the "some people do not belong" comment was uttered by Judge Smails (Ted Knight), but it was said to Danny Noonan (Michael O'Keefe - yes, that Michael O'Keefe).
The actual exchange with Al Czervik (Rodney Dangerfield) follows :
Judge Smails: You - you will never be a member of Bushwood!
Al Czervik: A member? You think I actually want to join this scumatorium? The only reason I'm here is because I might buy it!
Honestly, it is amazing just how many quotes from this low-budget "B" comedy have made their way into everyday expressions (and not just on the putt-putt course) :
Caddyshack Quotes via IMDB
I have news for you all the top players 2017 class were home mulling over offers or are committed in one form or another. They were not down at UNC. Plenty of talent in the 2017 class. If you are not aware of this then you're living under a rock. Not saying that the 2016 class isn't incredibly talented but don't for a second think the UNC camp was representitve of the best 2017's. THAT IS A FACT!!!!
I totally agree! But if your not in that group you just don't get it or don't want to believe it.
I guess it comes down to the fact that most of these people on here just don't understand that there is a difference between playing and "being" recruited by college coaches and actively "trying" to be recruited by college coaches. One is they come after you, the other is you pursue them. Nothing wrong with the latter, please just stop confusing these different types of players. The best on these teams are or have been recruited already.
Are you talking about UNC/UVA/JHU/Maryland/Penn State/Ohio State/Michigan or all top 20 schools? Yes, the very early recuiting schools are far along in their recruiting of 2017s but do you really think that is the case with all Ivys/Patriot League/Georgetown's of the world? Yes there has been contact from these schools re: 2017 and some recuriting, but nowhere near as far along as the schools mentioned above. The thought that kids who go to prospect camps are too late/not the kids being recruited is just not try for many of the schools I just mentioned. Please tell me if I am wrong and other are having a much different experience a the Ivy's/Patriot League/Georgetown other than invites to prospect days, maybe a few calls from the coach, a request for visits. Other than a few kids, do kids really have offers in hand from these schools?
Another true 2017 commits (Penn State), Probably the best goalie in the grade.
The best goalie in the grade by many accounts is the kid on the Breakers who is not committed yet.
I would agree here, Breakers goalie among the best, FCA goalie out of Baltimore right there...kid from Mass is top notch as well....Crabs have 2 solid goalies as well
Good call Cage, I will have to break out the DVD again and brush up with my quotes. By the way, what was the college Danny Noonan went to and did they have a D3 or club lax team ?
Dukes goalie looked very good this year.
The best goalies were at Jake Reed this past summer and Philly showcase. And he is NOT from Long Island!!! That's by most accounts !!!
Good call Cage, I will have to break out the DVD again and brush up with my quotes. By the way, what was the college Danny Noonan went to and did they have a D3 or club lax team ?
Danny mentioned that he wanted to go to St. Copias of Northern ... and then has his voice trail off. Not known for their lacrosse, St. Copius has one helluva golf team.
Danny Noonan: [trying to make small talk with Chuck after Smails has introduced them] Well, I'm going to college too.
Chuck Schick: [haughtily] Really... are you going to Harvard?
Danny Noonan: No, St. Copius of northern...
Chuck Schick: Where?
The best goalies were at Jake Reed this past summer and Philly showcase. And he is NOT from Long Island!!! That's by most accounts !!!
Sounds like your account. Any Varsity stats to back up your opinion?
Another true 2017 commits (Penn State), Probably the best goalie in the grade.
The best goalie in the grade by many accounts is the kid on the Breakers who is not committed yet.
I would agree here, Breakers goalie among the best, FCA goalie out of Baltimore right there...kid from Mass is top notch as well....Crabs have 2 solid goalies as well
Sorry, new here. Someone forwarded me this drivel. My son is one of the kids mentioned in this goalie thread. I find it very tasteless and extremely inappropriate that adults would engage this toward kids. Flattering or no, it crosses a line. I would ask each of you and the moderator on this thread to use some adult discretion when posting about kids at this age. You should be ashamed.
Another true 2017 commits (Penn State), Probably the best goalie in the grade.
The best goalie in the grade by many accounts is the kid on the Breakers who is not committed yet.
I would agree here, Breakers goalie among the best, FCA goalie out of Baltimore right there...kid from Mass is top notch as well....Crabs have 2 solid goalies as well
Sorry, new here. Someone forwarded me this drivel. My son is one of the kids mentioned in this goalie thread. I find it very tasteless and extremely inappropriate that adults would engage this toward kids. Flattering or no, it crosses a line. I would ask each of you and the moderator on this thread to use some adult discretion when posting about kids at this age. You should be ashamed.
Lighten up Judge Smails....
Who cares where he's from whats important is where he's going. The First Goalie from 2017 is off the board and the rest will soon follow. Congrats
Plays for SweetLax and played Varsity as an 8th grader.
Another true 2017 commits (Penn State), Probably the best goalie in the grade.
The best goalie in the grade by many accounts is the kid on the Breakers who is not committed yet.
I would agree here, Breakers goalie among the best, FCA goalie out of Baltimore right there...kid from Mass is top notch as well....Crabs have 2 solid goalies as well
Sorry, new here. Someone forwarded me this drivel. My son is one of the kids mentioned in this goalie thread. I find it very tasteless and extremely inappropriate that adults would engage this toward kids. Flattering or no, it crosses a line. I would ask each of you and the moderator on this thread to use some adult discretion when posting about kids at this age. You should be ashamed.
Lighten up Judge Smails....
Go back to Maryland. There is a more gentile Maryland board for you,
The best goalies were at Jake Reed this past summer and Philly showcase. And he is NOT from Long Island!!! That's by most accounts !!!
Sounds like your account. Any Varsity stats to back up your opinion?
Congrats to him but as far as varsity stats the reality is that that league in Rochester is so weak that those varsity teams wouldn't even be competitive in the MIAA jV league. So really can't compare. Be real!
Another true 2017 commits (Penn State), Probably the best goalie in the grade.
The best goalie in the grade by many accounts is the kid on the Breakers who is not committed yet.
I would agree here, Breakers goalie among the best, FCA goalie out of Baltimore right there...kid from Mass is top notch as well....Crabs have 2 solid goalies as well
Sorry, new here. Someone forwarded me this drivel. My son is one of the kids mentioned in this goalie thread. I find it very tasteless and extremely inappropriate that adults would engage this toward kids. Flattering or no, it crosses a line. I would ask each of you and the moderator on this thread to use some adult discretion when posting about kids at this age. You should be ashamed.
Lighten up Judge Smails....
Well 'tanks fer nuttin' !!
All I saw was positive commentary about goalies, nothing negative mentioned. Lighten up Francis!!!!!
Another true 2017 commits (Penn State), Probably the best goalie in the grade.
The best goalie in the grade by many accounts is the kid on the Breakers who is not committed yet.
I would agree here, Breakers goalie among the best, FCA goalie out of Baltimore right there...kid from Mass is top notch as well....Crabs have 2 solid goalies as well
Sorry, new here. Someone forwarded me this drivel. My son is one of the kids mentioned in this goalie thread. I find it very tasteless and extremely inappropriate that adults would engage this toward kids. Flattering or no, it crosses a line. I would ask each of you and the moderator on this thread to use some adult discretion when posting about kids at this age. You should be ashamed.
If you can't take the heat, get out of the pan!! This is what we do here, discuss lax!
The best goalies were at Jake Reed this past summer and Philly showcase. And he is NOT from Long Island!!! That's by most accounts !!!
Sounds like your account. Any Varsity stats to back up your opinion?
Congrats to him but as far as varsity stats the reality is that that league in Rochester is so weak that those varsity teams wouldn't even be competitive in the MIAA jV league. So really can't compare. Be real!
So weak??? Have you seen the long list of D1 college commitments? The top club teams (Sweetlax) have more commitments than the Baracudas! You need to get a clue
Well 'tanks fer nuttin' !!
One of the famous lines delivered by Sarah Holcomb. Sarah is the answer to one of our favorite comedy movie questions of all time : Name the actor who appeared in both "Animal House" and "Caddyshack".
Sarah appeared as Clorette DePasto ("Animal House") and Maggie O'Hooligan ("Caddyshack") among her four films between 1978 and 1980.
Battles with drugs, alcohol, and mental health issues led to her departure from the public eye.
Well 'tanks fer nuttin' !!
One of the famous lines delivered by Sarah Holcomb. Sarah is the answer to one of our favorite comedy movie questions of all time : Name the actor who appeared in both "Animal House" and "Caddyshack".
Sarah appeared as Clorette DePasto ("Animal House") and Maggie O'Hoolihan ("Caddyshack") among her four films between 1978 and 1980.
Battles with drugs, alcohol, and mental health issues led to her departure from the public eye.
I always thought she was Dean Wormer's daughter?
It seems to me that most of the 2017 commits are really 2016s in PG drag. There really isn't much identifiable D1 talent in the "true" 2017 class. At least not yet.
said the dad of a reclassified 2016 who hasn't been committed yet as a 2016 so he's now with the 2017's
the 22+ kids who committed weren't there...oh i forgot...they are mostly reclassified '16's....
I would imagine most of the best players were not there! If already a top player then you are already committed or already fielding offers so why would you go? What you saw was more than likely the 2nd tier of 2017 talent! That was not a very well throughout post! If your in the top tier of your class, sorry but there is no need to go to these camps with everyone else. Your already committed, offered or on their radar. Duh!
And dad, if your 2016 is there... Well then their you go because most of the top teams have already filled up their spots for 2016 class so your probably at the wrong schools. The TOP players do not need to go to these "prospect" camps. They are for everyone else. Sorry!
have to admit that he has a point there, 2016 dad...why is your outstanding 2016 kid still not committed? or....is he actually a 2015 in drag as a 2016 trying to impress coaches by playing 2017's????
no one has brought up that possibility...
If you can't take the heat, get out of the pan!! This is what we do here, discuss lax!
You're right. I have better things to do. Erkel called, he needs your Suffolk County fantasy junior high school hockey draft picks in today. Have fun, losers.
If you can't take the heat, get out of the pan!! This is what we do here, discuss lax!
You're right. I have better things to do. Erkel called, he needs your Suffolk County fantasy junior high school hockey draft picks in today. Have fun, losers.
uuhhhhh....whut?
Another true 2017 commits (Penn State), Probably the best goalie in the grade.
The best goalie in the grade by many accounts is the kid on the Breakers who is not committed yet.
I would agree here, Breakers goalie among the best, FCA goalie out of Baltimore right there...kid from Mass is top notch as well....Crabs have 2 solid goalies as well
Sorry, new here. Someone forwarded me this drivel. My son is one of the kids mentioned in this goalie thread. I find it very tasteless and extremely inappropriate that adults would engage this toward kids. Flattering or no, it crosses a line. I would ask each of you and the moderator on this thread to use some adult discretion when posting about kids at this age. You should be ashamed.
If you can't take the heat, get out of the pan!! This is what we do here, discuss lax!
all I have to say is: Gunga Galunga
all I have to say is: Gunga Galunga
Well, you do have that going for you. Total consciousness from the Lama himself. (Note : We really need to bring the curtain down on the obscure comedy movie trivia.)
I would imagine most of the best players were not there! If already a top player then you are already committed or already fielding offers so why would you go? What you saw was more than likely the 2nd tier of 2017 talent! That was not a very well throughout post! If your in the top tier of your class, sorry but there is no need to go to these camps with everyone else. Your already committed, offered or on their radar. Duh!
And dad, if your 2016 is there... Well then their you go because most of the top teams have already filled up their spots for 2016 class so your probably at the wrong schools. The TOP players do not need to go to these "prospect" camps. They are for everyone else. Sorry!
have to admit that he has a point there, 2016 dad...why is your outstanding 2016 kid still not committed? or....is he actually a 2015 in drag as a 2016 trying to impress coaches by playing 2017's????
no one has brought up that possibility...
"Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor??? NO," now get that 2015 to the 2018 3d camp asap! "Nothings over till we say its over"
I would imagine most of the best players were not there! If already a top player then you are already committed or already fielding offers so why would you go? What you saw was more than likely the 2nd tier of 2017 talent! That was not a very well throughout post! If your in the top tier of your class, sorry but there is no need to go to these camps with everyone else. Your already committed, offered or on their radar. Duh!
And dad, if your 2016 is there... Well then their you go because most of the top teams have already filled up their spots for 2016 class so your probably at the wrong schools. The TOP players do not need to go to these "prospect" camps. They are for everyone else. Sorry!
have to admit that he has a point there, 2016 dad...why is your outstanding 2016 kid still not committed? or....is he actually a 2015 in drag as a 2016 trying to impress coaches by playing 2017's????
no one has brought up that possibility...
"Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor??? NO," now get that 2015 to the 2018 3d camp asap! "Nothings over till we say its over"
the time has come for someone to put his foot down and that foot is me
I would imagine most of the best players were not there! If already a top player then you are already committed or already fielding offers so why would you go? What you saw was more than likely the 2nd tier of 2017 talent! That was not a very well throughout post! If your in the top tier of your class, sorry but there is no need to go to these camps with everyone else. Your already committed, offered or on their radar. Duh!
And dad, if your 2016 is there... Well then their you go because most of the top teams have already filled up their spots for 2016 class so your probably at the wrong schools. The TOP players do not need to go to these "prospect" camps. They are for everyone else. Sorry!
have to admit that he has a point there, 2016 dad...why is your outstanding 2016 kid still not committed? or....is he actually a 2015 in drag as a 2016 trying to impress coaches by playing 2017's????
no one has brought up that possibility...
"Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor??? NO," now get that 2015 to the 2018 3d camp asap! "Nothings over till we say its over"
"You want the truth, you can't handel the truth!" Your kids not going D1
You're right. I have better things to do. Erkel called, he needs your Suffolk County fantasy junior high school hockey draft picks in today. Have fun, losers. [/quote]
uuhhhhh....whut? [/quote]
You didn't pick up on the wit in that statement? You really are from Long Island.
The best goalies were at Jake Reed this past summer and Philly showcase. And he is NOT from Long Island!!! That's by most accounts !!!
Sounds like your account. Any Varsity stats to back up your opinion?
Congrats to him but as far as varsity stats the reality is that that league in Rochester is so weak that those varsity teams wouldn't even be competitive in the MIAA jV league. So really can't compare. Be real!
So weak??? Have you seen the long list of D1 college commitments? The top club teams (Sweetlax) have more commitments than the Baracudas! You need to get a clue
Ok so here's YOUR clue... MIAA "A" conference commits as of 12-30-13. 110...with many more on the way. That's One Hundred Ten. How many in that Rochester Catholic league McQuaid plays in??? Yeah, that's what I thought. Its ok, I accept your apology. No Comparison!
The best goalies were at Jake Reed this past summer and Philly showcase. And he is NOT from Long Island!!! That's by most accounts !!!
Sounds like your account. Any Varsity stats to back up your opinion?
Congrats to him but as far as varsity stats the reality is that that league in Rochester is so weak that those varsity teams wouldn't even be competitive in the MIAA jV league. So really can't compare. Be real!
So weak??? Have you seen the long list of D1 college commitments? The top club teams (Sweetlax) have more commitments than the Baracudas! You need to get a clue
Mr Clueless, there are Individual Schools in the MIAA with more commits than your entire All Star "Club" team. Weak counter, at best.
The best goalies were at Jake Reed this past summer and Philly showcase. And he is NOT from Long Island!!! That's by most accounts !!!
Sounds like your account. Any Varsity stats to back up your opinion?
Congrats to him but as far as varsity stats the reality is that that league in Rochester is so weak that those varsity teams wouldn't even be competitive in the MIAA jV league. So really can't compare. Be real!
So weak??? Have you seen the long list of D1 college commitments? The top club teams (Sweetlax) have more commitments than the Baracudas! You need to get a clue
Mr Clueless, there are Individual Schools in the MIAA with more commits than your entire All Star "Club" team. Weak counter, at best.
It's just funny how you can't be happy for a tremendous young student athlete, who has just been named the first goalie in the 2017 grad year to commit to a top 40 academic, top 10 lax school. The boy received recognition for excelling at his position as a eighth grader on Varsity. but YOU just have to find something to put the kid down, sad. What's the matter, is your son not getting any interest? This kid was being pursued by many of the top lax/academic programs, so I guess the competition can't be too weak upstate. And the comparison between Sweetlax and Express (probably the best overall committed club on LI) was meant to show that the upstate clubs are doing just as well as LI. Not everyone can attend a Ward Melville, but if a kid is good the colleges will find them!
I would imagine most of the best players were not there! If already a top player then you are already committed or already fielding offers so why would you go? What you saw was more than likely the 2nd tier of 2017 talent! That was not a very well throughout post! If your in the top tier of your class, sorry but there is no need to go to these camps with everyone else. Your already committed, offered or on their radar. Duh!
And dad, if your 2016 is there... Well then their you go because most of the top teams have already filled up their spots for 2016 class so your probably at the wrong schools. The TOP players do not need to go to these "prospect" camps. They are for everyone else. Sorry!
have to admit that he has a point there, 2016 dad...why is your outstanding 2016 kid still not committed? or....is he actually a 2015 in drag as a 2016 trying to impress coaches by playing 2017's????
no one has brought up that possibility...
"Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor??? NO," now get that 2015 to the 2018 3d camp asap! "Nothings over till we say its over"
"You want the truth, you can't handel the truth!" Your kids not going D1
Your poor attempt at slinging a demeaning little grammatically incorrect non-sequitur into a film genre that was not indicated ruined the whole flow.
Now drop and give me 20! (And please attempt to use English properly.
I am sure that one of those perp (I mean Prep
) schools in MD must teach that course; or is it just an expensive year of babysitting the cheating holdback?
Dean at MD prep school to his held back lax players, "Here are your grade point avarages. Mr. Kroger: two C's, two D's and an F. That's a 1.2. Congratulations, Kroger. You're at the top of the holdback 2016 class! Now go and kick some 2017 little kids [lacrosse]![edited for the academically animal house challenged]
I would imagine most of the best players were not there! If already a top player then you are already committed or already fielding offers so why would you go? What you saw was more than likely the 2nd tier of 2017 talent! That was not a very well throughout post! If your in the top tier of your class, sorry but there is no need to go to these camps with everyone else. Your already committed, offered or on their radar. Duh!
And dad, if your 2016 is there... Well then their you go because most of the top teams have already filled up their spots for 2016 class so your probably at the wrong schools. The TOP players do not need to go to these "prospect" camps. They are for everyone else. Sorry!
have to admit that he has a point there, 2016 dad...why is your outstanding 2016 kid still not committed? or....is he actually a 2015 in drag as a 2016 trying to impress coaches by playing 2017's????
no one has brought up that possibility...
"Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor??? NO," now get that 2015 to the 2018 3d camp asap! "Nothings over till we say its over"
"You want the truth, you can't handel the truth!" Your kids not going D1
Your poor attempt at slinging a demeaning little grammatically incorrect non-sequitur into a film genre that was not indicated ruined the whole flow.
Now drop and give me 20! (And please attempt to use English properly.
I am sure that one of those perp (I mean Prep
) schools in MD must teach that course; or is it just an expensive year of babysitting the cheating holdback?
Dean at MD prep school to his held back lax players, "Here are your grade point avarages. Mr. Kroger: two C's, two D's and an F. That's a 1.2. Congratulations, Kroger. You're at the top of the holdback 2016 class! Now go and kick some 2017 little kids [lacrosse]![edited for the academically animal house challenged]
Seven years of High School down the drain....
Do you guys realize how obsessed you are with high school freshman boys? Get a life.
Looks like the Turtles are not all going Ivy!
Looks like the Turtles are not all going Ivy!
That is breaking news - what a shocker. Perhaps BOTC has been telling folks this information for some time based on what it takes to actually get accepted academically?
UNC has officially lost their minds!!!!!!!
UNC has officially lost their minds!!!!!!!
Why??? And a simple congrats to the young man and his family might be a little more fitting.
With all the scrutiny the football program and the Athletic Dept is receiving, you would think that the AD, Chancellor and President would ask the lacrosse staff to stop recruiting young boys and focus on scholar athletes who have proven themselves both in the classroom and on the lacrosse field.
The current staff does have a proven track record of success in the NCAA tournament. This must be why they get such a long leash.
UNC has officially lost their minds!!!!!!!
Wow. Still taking pokes at one of the finest teams to have played youth ball. Oh, wait, they lost a game or two. Let's bash em hard, jealous boy.
UNC has officially lost their minds!!!!!!!
Why??? And a simple congrats to the young man and his family might be a little more fitting.
Exactly Congrats to him and his parents.
UNC has officially lost their minds!!!!!!!
Why??? And a simple congrats to the young man and his family might be a little more fitting.
Exactly Congrats to him and his parents.
Congrats as well, but I am going to concur with the comment of what is UNC doing? Not making any comments about the young men who have committed there, but it does blow my mind that UNC now has eight 2017 players committed. That is just unprecedented in any men's sport.
In for a penny, in for a pound...Well, we will all get to see if early recruiting works, NC went all in
Has anyone heard how the 3d regional tryouts
for Jake Reed are going? I heard there were a
lot of direct invites out of Maryland. Not sure how
true but a coworker mentioned that one '17 club
from Maryland had between 8-10 direct invites!
That would be 20% of the total directs. Does anyone
know which club got all those invites? Crabs or
MadLax?
UNC has officially lost their minds!!!!!!!
Why??? And a simple congrats to the young man and his family might be a little more fitting.
Exactly Congrats to him and his parents.
Congrats as well, but I am going to concur with the comment of what is UNC doing? Not making any comments about the young men who have committed there, but it does blow my mind that UNC now has eight 2017 players committed. That is just unprecedented in any men's sport.
It will be an interesting comparison vs. Duke. UNC has 8 2017 commits already and UVA has 6, John Hopkins has 4 and I am hearing a few more shortly. Duke has 0 and probably won't until the summer time. Kids I know who have committed to UNC, UVA, and JHU are all very good today without a doubt. Time will tell which strategy play out.
Has anyone heard how the 3d regional tryouts
for Jake Reed are going? I heard there were a
lot of direct invites out of Maryland. Not sure how
true but a coworker mentioned that one '17 club
from Maryland had between 8-10 direct invites!
That would be 20% of the total directs. Does anyone
know which club got all those invites? Crabs or
MadLax?
It wasn't MadLax. Also, JR is becoming an old joke at this point. 240 kids per grade starting with 8th graders is quite a degradation of what it used to be.
UNC has officially lost their minds!!!!!!!
Why??? And a simple congrats to the young man and his family might be a little more fitting.
Exactly Congrats to him and his parents.
Congrats as well, but I am going to concur with the comment of what is UNC doing? Not making any comments about the young men who have committed there, but it does blow my mind that UNC now has eight 2017 players committed. That is just unprecedented in any men's sport.
It will be an interesting comparison vs. Duke. UNC has 8 2017 commits already and UVA has 6, John Hopkins has 4 and I am hearing a few more shortly. Duke has 0 and probably won't until the summer time. Kids I know who have committed to UNC, UVA, and JHU are all very good today without a doubt. Time will tell which strategy play out.
Hard to understand this strategy of these D1 programs. UNC, Hop, UVA take a bunch of players in 2017 now. And than Penn St, Ohio St, Bucknell & Mich take 1 or 2 players each for now. What gives??
The same thing happens in every other sport. I'm not sure why everyone is so surprised. There are d1 football players who verbal in 7th and 8th grade. This happens in every sport.
The thing that hasn't happened at a rate that is does in other sports is players changing their minds before they actually sign their letter of intent. It will be interesting to see if these kids start to change their mind more frequently like they do in basketball and football.
The difference in football is that an offer isn't an exploding offer, and in football top recruits get many, many offers. Also, the best players while they may get offers as freshmen and sophomores just about never commit as freshmen or sophomores, and the best players often wait until they are juniors and seniors.
UNC has officially lost their minds!!!!!!!
Why??? And a simple congrats to the young man and his family might be a little more fitting.
Exactly Congrats to him and his parents.
Congrats as well, but I am going to concur with the comment of what is UNC doing? Not making any comments about the young men who have committed there, but it does blow my mind that UNC now has eight 2017 players committed. That is just unprecedented in any men's sport.
It will be an interesting comparison vs. Duke. UNC has 8 2017 commits already and UVA has 6, John Hopkins has 4 and I am hearing a few more shortly. Duke has 0 and probably won't until the summer time. Kids I know who have committed to UNC, UVA, and JHU are all very good today without a doubt. Time will tell which strategy play out.
Few can argue with Duke's strategy. Duke has reached the Final 4 in each of the last seven years since 2007 when Coach Danowski took over and has appeared in the NCAA championship game four time during that span winning two National Championships. Duke has mastered the art of assembling championship caliber teams by taking its time to identify HS players that possess not only the talent but the intangibles necessary to be productive college players.
lets not get carried away with Duke holding out, they have 8 public commits from the 2016 class. They are 10th graders who have not played their sophomore HS year. Recruiting is a process and Duke is in it. If you do not think that they are looking at 8th and 9th graders you are crazy. I will give Duke credit for not having any official 9th grade commits but I suspect they are out there making their list and checking it twice.
Has anyone heard how the 3d regional tryouts
for Jake Reed are going? I heard there were a
lot of direct invites out of Maryland. Not sure how
true but a coworker mentioned that one '17 club
from Maryland had between 8-10 direct invites!
That would be 20% of the total directs. Does anyone
know which club got all those invites? Crabs or
MadLax?
Everywhere I see JAke Reed they only mention 120 per grade. Where do you see 240 players per grade?
It wasn't MadLax. Also, JR is becoming an old joke at this point. 240 kids per grade starting with 8th graders is quite a degradation of what it used to be.
Hard to say how this will effect Duke. This is the first year many 9th graders are going. I think we will see the results of sitting on the sidelines in a couple of years. Several of these early commits were officail Duke Prospects. I think even Duke is suprised on whats going on.
So many great Players out there for many Teams to choose from, now we will see who the good Coaches are out there.
UNC has officially lost their minds!!!!!!!
well, they did pick a kid who by definition, has no other credentials to his name other than his club team where he a was marginal second line at best and a so-so player on the Brine stacked Long Island North team again riding the coat tails of other really good players on that team
was not at 3D...did not make JR...did not go to Philly Showcase
and I am not even sure if he was at a UNC prospect camp (it would be intersting to know)
and is very well know to be very shy from physical contact and has no prob riding the bench.
congrats to him for getting that far under the proverbial radar but there must be much more to the $tory...
good luck with the big boys at UNC...
Whatever Duke does or doesn't do in regards to recruiting doesn't seem to matter. Look at their 2016 class. All these kids received offers from UNC, Hopkins, UVA etc...and could have gone to any school. Duke takes its time and only makes offers to players they feel best fit their system and style of play. Seems like some of the other schools mentioned are more interested in over-subscribing talent and building all-star teams which everyone knows does not translate into championships.
I would like to get some opinions. My 2017 son is a very good player with a 3.5 GPA in non-honors classes (for now!) He has serious interest and offers from the following schools. Syracuse(#2 lax, #62 rank).4 of tuition, and Georgetown (not lax ranked,#20 rank) .4 tuition, Maryland (#10 lax, #62 rank), .33 Tuition, UNC (#5 lax rank, #30 rank) .25 of total cost, and Penn State (#11 lax , 37 rank) .5 of total. It is such a big decision, and we are leaning to one, but would like to know if anyone has any words of wisdom in making this choice. Thanks!
Whatever Duke does or doesn't do in regards to recruiting doesn't seem to matter. Look at their 2016 class. All these kids received offers from UNC, Hopkins, UVA etc...and could have gone to any school. Duke takes its time and only makes offers to players they feel best fit their system and style of play. Seems like some of the other schools mentioned are more interested in over-subscribing talent and building all-star teams which everyone knows does not translate into championships.
It also doesn't hurt when you have an All-Star at the face off X as well. Duke killed at the X. Go back to last years championship game. If Syracuse goes even 50% on faces they win that game hands down. Syracuse has a history of All-Star players. Powell, Gait, Jamison, etc.. Superstars win you Championships, as no other program comes close to Syracuse. Watch out this year with Galasso healthy, and the new superstar from OCC coming in. Just happens to be Jamison's cousin. You heard it here.
I would like to get some opinions. My 2017 son is a very good player with a 3.5 GPA in non-honors classes (for now!) He has serious interest and offers from the following schools. Syracuse(#2 lax, #62 rank).4 of tuition, and Georgetown (not lax ranked,#20 rank) .4 tuition, Maryland (#10 lax, #62 rank), .33 Tuition, UNC (#5 lax rank, #30 rank) .25 of total cost, and Penn State (#11 lax , 37 rank) .5 of total. It is such a big decision, and we are leaning to one, but would like to know if anyone has any words of wisdom in making this choice. Thanks!
Reality check time - with a 3.5 GPA in non-honors classes, you can most certainly rule out Georgetown, UNC, and likely Penn State as an out-of-state individual.
Boston College (#31) has published some great statistics that you might want to consider : 85% of their enrolled freshman class comes from the Top 10% of their High School classes. 96% of their enrolled freshman class comes from the Top 25% of their High School classes.
These metrics are common across all of the Top 30 schools and often paint the realistic academic picture for parents. Further, when one considers that admission couselors at top institutions are looking for the most aggressive curriculums in your student's transcript (meaning AP/IB courses), maintaining a B+/A- in non-honors classes will not cut it.
From this listing, we would estimate that your only realistic choices would be Syracuse and Maryland - however, we would strongly urge you to find some softer options in order to create a better match situation.
I would like to get some opinions. My 2017 son is a very good player with a 3.5 GPA in non-honors classes (for now!) He has serious interest and offers from the following schools. Syracuse(#2 lax, #62 rank).4 of tuition, and Georgetown (not lax ranked,#20 rank) .4 tuition, Maryland (#10 lax, #62 rank), .33 Tuition, UNC (#5 lax rank, #30 rank) .25 of total cost, and Penn State (#11 lax , 37 rank) .5 of total. It is such a big decision, and we are leaning to one, but would like to know if anyone has any words of wisdom in making this choice. Thanks!
Reality check time - with a 3.5 GPA in non-honors classes, you can most certainly rule out Georgetown, UNC, and likely Penn State as an out-of-state individual.
Boston College (#31) has published some great statistics that you might want to consider : 85% of their enrolled freshman class comes from the Top 10% of their High School classes. 96% of their enrolled freshman class comes from the Top 25% of their High School classes.
These metrics are common across all of the Top 30 schools and often paint the realistic academic picture for parents. Further, when one considers that admission couselors at top institutions are looking for the most aggressive curriculums in your student's transcript (meaning AP/IB courses), maintaining a B+/A- in non-honors classes will not cut it.
From this listing, we would estimate that your only realistic choices would be Syracuse and Maryland - however, we would strongly urge you to find some softer options in order to create a better match situation.
Thanks Cage, I appreciate your input!
I would like to get some opinions. My 2017 son is a very good player with a 3.5 GPA in non-honors classes (for now!) He has serious interest and offers from the following schools. Syracuse(#2 lax, #62 rank).4 of tuition, and Georgetown (not lax ranked,#20 rank) .4 tuition, Maryland (#10 lax, #62 rank), .33 Tuition, UNC (#5 lax rank, #30 rank) .25 of total cost, and Penn State (#11 lax , 37 rank) .5 of total. It is such a big decision, and we are leaning to one, but would like to know if anyone has any words of wisdom in making this choice. Thanks!
Reality check time - with a 3.5 GPA in non-honors classes, you can most certainly rule out Georgetown, UNC, and likely Penn State as an out-of-state individual.
Boston College (#31) has published some great statistics that you might want to consider : 85% of their enrolled freshman class comes from the Top 10% of their High School classes. 96% of their enrolled freshman class comes from the Top 25% of their High School classes.
These metrics are common across all of the Top 30 schools and often paint the realistic academic picture for parents. Further, when one considers that admission couselors at top institutions are looking for the most aggressive curriculums in your student's transcript (meaning AP/IB courses), maintaining a B+/A- in non-honors classes will not cut it.
From this listing, we would estimate that your only realistic choices would be Syracuse and Maryland - however, we would strongly urge you to find some softer options in order to create a better match situation.
One question: How is it that these schools are able to make these offers, knowing the students academic profile. They say we just have to maintain the current grades and get a 1100-1200 SAT (depends on school) and we are good? They all said (Georgetown included) that honors classes are not necessary. All the money I mentioned is strictly athletic. I would think they would need to be upfront about the requirements if we are not on the right track. We have actually pretty much ruled Georgetown out because of the challenging academics and lack of academic support, but their offer still stands.
If this athlete scores in the 90th percentile or better on the SATs, then being a great/recruited lacrosse player with a 3.5 in non-honors will get him into all of the aforementioned schools and -- if he is already garnering this kind of attention from lax programs -- probably even better. The SAT has been, and will always be, the real determining factor in college admissions.
With rank in class often not disclosed, grade inflation (and in some cases recently grade deflation), and no real way to differentiate High School X's non-honors curriculum from High School Y's honors curriculum, the SAT always makes the difference.
For example, Regis High School has no AP classes, yet every NY public high school offers every conceivable AP class. I would venture a guess that the non-AP classes at Regis are, on average, more competitive and probably cover more ground than the AP curriculum elsewhere. On the other hand, AP classes at one of the trophy publics (like Bronx HS of Science) are probably even more competitive.
Fortunately for the average student lacrosse athlete applying to college, neither school plays lacrosse.
If this athlete scores in the 90th percentile or better on the SATs, then being a great/recruited lacrosse player with a 3.5 in non-honors will get him into all of the aforementioned schools and -- if he is already garnering this kind of attention from lax programs -- probably even better. The SAT has been, and will always be, the real determining factor in college admissions.
Expecting a 3.5 GPA in non-honors classes to now achieve a 90th percentile SAT performance is unrealistic. The Mathematics section alone, without Algebra II/Trigonometry mastery, will fall well short of the 650 score which immediately takes you out of the 90th-percentile.
With rank in class often not disclosed, grade inflation (and in some cases recently grade deflation), and no real way to differentiate High School X's non-honors curriculum from High School Y's honors curriculum, the SAT always makes the difference.
There is a common misconception that rank is not revealed. With your child's transcript, your High School will send a school profile document. If you have not seen it, you should request a copy. That document will disclose the grades associated with each decile in the graduating class along with the top level courses offered in each academic discipline. Assuming that your child's rank - or at least decile - cannot be determined demonstrates a clear lack of understand of the college admissions process.
For example, Regis High School has no AP classes, yet every NY public high school offers every conceivable AP class.
Regis specifically deals with this in their academic profile.
I would venture a guess that the non-AP classes at Regis are, on average, more competitive and probably cover more ground than the AP curriculum elsewhere.
That would be incorrect.
On the other hand, AP classes at one of the trophy publics (like Bronx HS of Science) are probably even more competitive.
Advanced placement is consistent across most High Schools - the actual end-game performance on the exam measures the effectiveness.
Fortunately for the average student lacrosse athlete applying to college, neither school plays lacrosse.
Focus on academics, the major selection process, and location/alumni network. All three of these will have longer lasting effects on your child over and above the impact of lacrosse.
UNC has officially lost their minds!!!!!!!
well, they did pick a kid who by definition, has no other credentials to his name other than his club team where he a was marginal second line at best and a so-so player on the Brine stacked Long Island North team again riding the coat tails of other really good players on that team
was not at 3D...did not make JR...did not go to Philly Showcase
and I am not even sure if he was at a UNC prospect camp (it would be intersting to know)
and is very well know to be very shy from physical contact and has no prob riding the bench.
congrats to him for getting that far under the proverbial radar but there must be much more to the $tory...
good luck with the big boys at UNC...
you should write for the inquirer. try to get some facts straight before letting your emotions send something like this
I would like to get some opinions. My 2017 son is a very good player with a 3.5 GPA in non-honors classes (for now!) He has serious interest and offers from the following schools. Syracuse(#2 lax, #62 rank).4 of tuition, and Georgetown (not lax ranked,#20 rank) .4 tuition, Maryland (#10 lax, #62 rank), .33 Tuition, UNC (#5 lax rank, #30 rank) .25 of total cost, and Penn State (#11 lax , 37 rank) .5 of total. It is such a big decision, and we are leaning to one, but would like to know if anyone has any words of wisdom in making this choice. Thanks!
Reality check time - with a 3.5 GPA in non-honors classes, you can most certainly rule out Georgetown, UNC, and likely Penn State as an out-of-state individual.
Boston College (#31) has published some great statistics that you might want to consider : 85% of their enrolled freshman class comes from the Top 10% of their High School classes. 96% of their enrolled freshman class comes from the Top 25% of their High School classes.
These metrics are common across all of the Top 30 schools and often paint the realistic academic picture for parents. Further, when one considers that admission couselors at top institutions are looking for the most aggressive curriculums in your student's transcript (meaning AP/IB courses), maintaining a B+/A- in non-honors classes will not cut it.
From this listing, we would estimate that your only realistic choices would be Syracuse and Maryland - however, we would strongly urge you to find some softer options in order to create a better match situation.
One question: How is it that these schools are able to make these offers, knowing the students academic profile. They say we just have to maintain the current grades and get a 1100-1200 SAT (depends on school) and we are good? They all said (Georgetown included) that honors classes are not necessary. All the money I mentioned is strictly athletic. I would think they would need to be upfront about the requirements if we are not on the right track. We have actually pretty much ruled Georgetown out because of the challenging academics and lack of academic support, but their offer still stands.
DO NOT TAKE THAT ADVISE. all due respect Cage but that is ill advised and just downright inaccurate. You are bringing in non athletic general admission statistics which I hope we all can agree DO NOT MATTER. Be hones with the coaches that are recruiting you about your studies and they will guide you through the process.
UNC has officially lost their minds!!!!!!!
well, they did pick a kid who by definition, has no other credentials to his name other than his club team where he a was marginal second line at best and a so-so player on the Brine stacked Long Island North team again riding the coat tails of other really good players on that team
was not at 3D...did not make JR...did not go to Philly Showcase
and I am not even sure if he was at a UNC prospect camp (it would be intersting to know)
and is very well know to be very shy from physical contact and has no prob riding the bench.
congrats to him for getting that far under the proverbial radar but there must be much more to the $tory...
good luck with the big boys at UNC...
You have no clue what you are talking about.You sound very angry and jealous of what this young man has achieved, but I will agree with one thing, I do wish him good luck!
I would like to get some opinions. My 2017 son is a very good player with a 3.5 GPA in non-honors classes (for now!) He has serious interest and offers from the following schools. Syracuse(#2 lax, #62 rank).4 of tuition, and Georgetown (not lax ranked,#20 rank) .4 tuition, Maryland (#10 lax, #62 rank), .33 Tuition, UNC (#5 lax rank, #30 rank) .25 of total cost, and Penn State (#11 lax , 37 rank) .5 of total. It is such a big decision, and we are leaning to one, but would like to know if anyone has any words of wisdom in making this choice. Thanks!
Congratulations to your son! Out of curiosity, are there any time limits on these offers?
DO NOT TAKE THAT ADVISE. all due respect Cage but that is ill advised and just downright inaccurate. You are bringing in non athletic general admission statistics which I hope we all can agree DO NOT MATTER. Be hones with the coaches that are recruiting you about your studies and they will guide you through the process.
Dear Friend : My family has already done the academic/Ivy chase - twice. Both of my children (boy/girl) were academic valedictorians, sports team captains, regional athletes, All-State band participants, every honor society under the sun, and recruited by various schools. Would you like to talk about my placement career as a coach? Again, this is not about me - or my family - but if you want to challenge our advice, I thought it only fair to tell you from whence this information flows.
Expecting a 2017 graduate to already have "guaranteed admission" with 0.25-0.40 scholarships with a 3.5 GPA in non-honors classes and no SAT/ACT performance numbers is following a yellow-brick road to no where.
Attending an academic institution where your student-athlete simply cannot keep pace is a parental nightmare (wait until you get that call) and happens to be one of the top reasons why you see can't miss Long Island superstars attending institutions a thousand miles and eight hours from home as freshmen and returning to a local outfit within a short time as a sophomore.
Now, if you would like to ask a constructive question, please feel free.
I would like to get some opinions. My 2017 son is a very good player with a 3.5 GPA in non-honors classes (for now!) He has serious interest and offers from the following schools. Syracuse(#2 lax, #62 rank).4 of tuition, and Georgetown (not lax ranked,#20 rank) .4 tuition, Maryland (#10 lax, #62 rank), .33 Tuition, UNC (#5 lax rank, #30 rank) .25 of total cost, and Penn State (#11 lax , 37 rank) .5 of total. It is such a big decision, and we are leaning to one, but would like to know if anyone has any words of wisdom in making this choice. Thanks!
Congratulations to your son! Out of curiosity, are there any time limits on these offers?
Yes, once the "spot is filled" offer not guaranteed.
DO NOT TAKE THAT ADVISE. all due respect Cage but that is ill advised and just downright inaccurate. You are bringing in non athletic general admission statistics which I hope we all can agree DO NOT MATTER. Be hones with the coaches that are recruiting you about your studies and they will guide you through the process.
Dear Friend : My family has already done the academic/Ivy chase - twice. Both of my children (boy/girl) were academic valedictorians, sports team captains, regional athletes, All-State band participants, every honor society under the sun, and recruited by various schools. Would you like to talk about my placement career as a coach? Again, this is not about me - or my family - but if you want to challenge our advice, I thought it only fair to tell you from whence this information flows.
Expecting a 2017 graduate to already have "guaranteed admission" with 0.25-0.40 scholarships with a 3.5 GPA in non-honors classes and no SAT/ACT performance numbers is following a yellow-brick road to no where.
Attending an academic institution where your student-athlete simply cannot keep pace is a parental nightmare (wait until you get that call) and happens to be one of the top reasons why you see can't miss Long Island superstars attending institutions a thousand miles and eight hours from home as freshmen and returning to a local outfit within a short time as a sophomore.
Now, if you would like to ask a constructive question, please feel free.
Again, will all due respect.
If a college coach is offering you an opportunity to attend one of the schools mentioned and you have a 3.5 in the first semester of 9th grade you have plenty of time to improve your grades. The schools mentioned were not IVY's and have a track record of accepting I'll call it average/ above average athletes. if we've learned anything from the post if the coach wants you bad enough they will get you in, and yes you will have to study not party to earn the degree.
Whatever Duke does or doesn't do in regards to recruiting doesn't seem to matter. Look at their 2016 class. All these kids received offers from UNC, Hopkins, UVA etc...and could have gone to any school. Duke takes its time and only makes offers to players they feel best fit their system and style of play. Seems like some of the other schools mentioned are more interested in over-subscribing talent and building all-star teams which everyone knows does not translate into championships.
It also doesn't hurt when you have an All-Star at the face off X as well. Duke killed at the X. Go back to last years championship game. If Syracuse goes even 50% on faces they win that game hands down. Syracuse has a history of All-Star players. Powell, Gait, Jamison, etc.. Superstars win you Championships, as no other program comes close to Syracuse. Watch out this year with Galasso healthy, and the new superstar from OCC coming in. Just happens to be Jamison's cousin. You heard it here.
Syracuse is not a great academic school (62), when compared to many of the other top lax schools. Too expensive for what you get. Also has a dump for a town. If you live for a lacrosse championship and don't care about what happens after college, or you are a great player with weaker academics, it is the best place! Oh, and the dome, not a fan!
DO NOT TAKE THAT ADVISE. all due respect Cage but that is ill advised and just downright inaccurate. You are bringing in non athletic general admission statistics which I hope we all can agree DO NOT MATTER. Be hones with the coaches that are recruiting you about your studies and they will guide you through the process.
Dear Friend : My family has already done the academic/Ivy chase - twice. Both of my children (boy/girl) were academic valedictorians, sports team captains, regional athletes, All-State band participants, every honor society under the sun, and recruited by various schools. Would you like to talk about my placement career as a coach? Again, this is not about me - or my family - but if you want to challenge our advice, I thought it only fair to tell you from whence this information flows.
Expecting a 2017 graduate to already have "guaranteed admission" with 0.25-0.40 scholarships with a 3.5 GPA in non-honors classes and no SAT/ACT performance numbers is following a yellow-brick road to no where.
Attending an academic institution where your student-athlete simply cannot keep pace is a parental nightmare (wait until you get that call) and happens to be one of the top reasons why you see can't miss Long Island superstars attending institutions a thousand miles and eight hours from home as freshmen and returning to a local outfit within a short time as a sophomore.
Now, if you would like to ask a constructive question, please feel free.
Cage is dishing out very good advice here. Having gone through the process twice I cannot emphasize enough choose a school where you can keep up academically or the whole family will suffer. You may get in to a school above your academic standards based on an overzealous coach pulling for you but unfortunately the coach can't attend class and take tests for you. Be careful or you will be miserable and watch the Ivies. They do not support lacrosse players at all. Speaking from experience here.
If this athlete scores in the 90th percentile or better on the SATs, then being a great/recruited lacrosse player with a 3.5 in non-honors will get him into all of the aforementioned schools and -- if he is already garnering this kind of attention from lax programs -- probably even better. The SAT has been, and will always be, the real determining factor in college admissions.
Expecting a 3.5 GPA in non-honors classes to now achieve a 90th percentile SAT performance is unrealistic. The Mathematics section alone, without Algebra II/Trigonometry mastery, will fall well short of the 650 score which immediately takes you out of the 90th-percentile.
With rank in class often not disclosed, grade inflation (and in some cases recently grade deflation), and no real way to differentiate High School X's non-honors curriculum from High School Y's honors curriculum, the SAT always makes the difference.
There is a common misconception that rank is not revealed. With your child's transcript, your High School will send a school profile document. If you have not seen it, you should request a copy. That document will disclose the grades associated with each decile in the graduating class along with the top level courses offered in each academic discipline. Assuming that your child's rank - or at least decile - cannot be determined demonstrates a clear lack of understand of the college admissions process.
For example, Regis High School has no AP classes, yet every NY public high school offers every conceivable AP class.
Regis specifically deals with this in their academic profile.
I would venture a guess that the non-AP classes at Regis are, on average, more competitive and probably cover more ground than the AP curriculum elsewhere.
That would be incorrect.
On the other hand, AP classes at one of the trophy publics (like Bronx HS of Science) are probably even more competitive.
Advanced placement is consistent across most High Schools - the actual end-game performance on the exam measures the effectiveness.
Fortunately for the average student lacrosse athlete applying to college, neither school plays lacrosse.
Focus on academics, the major selection process, and location/alumni network. All three of these will have longer lasting effects on your child over and above the impact of lacrosse.
Completely disagree. Grades are not dispositive of SAT performance. A kid playing on three teams who did not elect honors or who opted out is going to score the same, give or take a percentile. And the competitive Catholic schools like Chaminade and Regis that do not technically offer AP have classes that are in fact harder than most similar AP courses in the publics. I know because I have asked and have seen the curriculum.
In my high school the two kids who scored over 1450 on the SATs both had high 80s in non-honors. Our valedictorian had a 1300. Grades "may" be indicative but they are not determinative of SAT performance.
Completely disagree. Grades are not dispositive of SAT performance. A kid playing on three teams who did not elect honors or who opted out is going to score the same, give or take a percentile.
Let's not deal with anecdotal information, let's deal with specifics. An honor student will take Algebra in eighth grade, Geometry in ninth grade, Algebra II in tenth grade, Precalculus in eleventh grade, and Calculus AB or BC in their senior year.
A non-honors student might not start Algebra until ninth grade and might be placed in an 18-month or 24-month program before sitting for the Regents. That places this same student in Geometry in tenth grade.
While the SAT Math section only requires Algebra and Geometry, which student would you say is better prepared as a junior to sit for the PSAT/PLAN and SAT/ACT exams?
Coming back to the 90th-percentile question, a Math score of 680 is needed to meet that requirement. Verbal scores require a 660 and writing requires a 650. Bottom line is that a 90th-percentile performance is 1440/2090.
And the competitive Catholic schools like Chaminade and Regis that do not technically offer AP have classes that are in fact harder than most similar AP courses in the publics. I know because I have asked and have seen the curriculum.
Unless you have sat for the Calculus BC course, how can you make that assessment?
Let me ask you a different question : Do you know why specific schools do not offer an AP course? (Hint : There is a reason why some schools are not permitted to offer AP courses. BOTC will let you do that research and there is a reason.)
In my high school the two kids who scored over 1450 on the SATs both had high 80s in non-honors. Our valedictorian had a 1300. Grades "may" be indicative but they are not determinative of SAT performance.
Individual cases in isolation cannot be used to prove or disprove the point. For example, consider the following question : What were the scores of all non-honors students with an average in the high 80s? We strongly suspect you are highlighting statistical outliers and concluding that such is expected performance.
UNC has officially lost their minds!!!!!!!
well, they did pick a kid who by definition, has no other credentials to his name other than his club team where he a was marginal second line at best and a so-so player on the Brine stacked Long Island North team again riding the coat tails of other really good players on that team
was not at 3D...did not make JR...did not go to Philly Showcase
and I am not even sure if he was at a UNC prospect camp (it would be intersting to know)
and is very well know to be very shy from physical contact and has no prob riding the bench.
congrats to him for getting that far under the proverbial radar but there must be much more to the $tory...
good luck with the big boys at UNC...
you should write for the inquirer. try to get some facts straight before letting your emotions send something like this
so make the corrections and put up the credentials...they must be somewhere for review
DO NOT TAKE THAT ADVISE. all due respect Cage but that is ill advised and just downright inaccurate. You are bringing in non athletic general admission statistics which I hope we all can agree DO NOT MATTER. Be hones with the coaches that are recruiting you about your studies and they will guide you through the process.
Dear Friend : My family has already done the academic/Ivy chase - twice. Both of my children (boy/girl) were academic valedictorians, sports team captains, regional athletes, All-State band participants, every honor society under the sun, and recruited by various schools. Would you like to talk about my placement career as a coach? Again, this is not about me - or my family - but if you want to challenge our advice, I thought it only fair to tell you from whence this information flows.
Expecting a 2017 graduate to already have "guaranteed admission" with 0.25-0.40 scholarships with a 3.5 GPA in non-honors classes and no SAT/ACT performance numbers is following a yellow-brick road to no where.
Attending an academic institution where your student-athlete simply cannot keep pace is a parental nightmare (wait until you get that call) and happens to be one of the top reasons why you see can't miss Long Island superstars attending institutions a thousand miles and eight hours from home as freshmen and returning to a local outfit within a short time as a sophomore.
Now, if you would like to ask a constructive question, please feel free.
Cage you might be right with regard to the fact that they might not do well when they get there, but they will get in. I know of a young man headed to UNC, wont say what year, 89 avg. No honors or ap and only has to break 1000 on the sat. Seems like your experience is in the Ivies, where academic standards are much higher. However, with the golden ticket, a player with the afore mentioned stats could get in. A recruited athlete has far more latitude with admissions than that of the average credentials of an incoming freshman non-athlete. While revenue and non-revenue sports differ, it is highly unlikely that most members of the football team and basketball team are reaching the academic standards you lay out above for those schools. With that in mind, the admissions criteria is far from concrete. It is every bit fluid and up for negotiation at every turn. If the coach really wants the kid, all the academic grids and everything else go out the window. I will agree, the student needs to then be able to do the work. In the end, that's where the rubber meets the road and all the talk about "right fit" comes into play.
what you really meant to say is congratulations
Completely disagree. Grades are not dispositive of SAT performance. A kid playing on three teams who did not elect honors or who opted out is going to score the same, give or take a percentile.
Let's not deal with anecdotal information, let's deal with specifics. An honor student will take Algebra in eighth grade, Geometry in ninth grade, Algebra II in tenth grade, Precalculus in eleventh grade, and Calculus AB or BC in their senior year.
A non-honors student might not start Algebra until ninth grade and might be placed in an 18-month or 24-month program before sitting for the Regents. That places this same student in Geometry in tenth grade.
While the SAT Math section only requires Algebra and Geometry, which student would you say is better prepared as a junior to sit for the PSAT/PLAN and SAT/ACT exams?
Coming back to the 90th-percentile question, a Math score of 680 is needed to meet that requirement. Verbal scores require a 660 and writing requires a 650. Bottom line is that a 90th-percentile performance is 1440/2090.
And the competitive Catholic schools like Chaminade and Regis that do not technically offer AP have classes that are in fact harder than most similar AP courses in the publics. I know because I have asked and have seen the curriculum.
Unless you have sat for the Calculus BC course, how can you make that assessment?
Let me ask you a different question : Do you know why specific schools do not offer an AP course? (Hint : There is a reason why some schools are not permitted to offer AP courses. BOTC will let you do that research and there is a reason.)
In my high school the two kids who scored over 1450 on the SATs both had high 80s in non-honors. Our valedictorian had a 1300. Grades "may" be indicative but they are not determinative of SAT performance.
Individual cases in isolation cannot be used to prove or disprove the point. For example, consider the following question : What were the scores of all non-honors students with an average in the high 80s? We strongly suspect you are highlighting statistical outliers and concluding that such is expected performance.
I am not relying on anecdotal information: I've spoken to two departmental heads at Regis, and to Chaminade alumni "recruiters", and have asked the question "why no AP classes?" They both had the same answer: every class is higher than AP level, so we don't have to. They went further and said they simply cover too much information already and to add more to meet the AP requirements is too restrictive and not realistic. (That's more investigation than a Google search.)
And I know enough about standardized tests to NOT draw conclusions based on either end of the bell curve. Smarter kids are generally better students, get better grades and score higher on the SAT.
But my original point remains: you can't say a kid with a 3.5 in non-honors is not in the running for an ivy, ND, Duke, G-town etc. You have no idea what the relative competition is in that high school, what courses are harder or easier, or what teachers grade higher or lower. Besides, in a system that adds points to honors classes, a higher GPA is a just that -- a higher GPA. In our school district honors/AP classes get an additional 4% added to the raw grade. So, if you're a 3.3 raw in all honors, that gets upped to about a 3.5. If you're a 2.9 or 3.7 in non-honors, you're a 2.9 or 3.7.
I say a 3.5 puts one within range (honors or non-honors), and the SAT gets you in the door (or not). And I'll take it one step further ... a 3.5 in non-honors is not an indicator of future average or poor SAT performance.
My advice to the parents of this boy ... tell him to have a great four years at Georgetown! It is the best school of the ones mentioned, and a no-brainer unless playing for a lax national championship is more important than the degree (which I think would be a mistake). Good luck and congratulations.
UNC has officially lost their minds!!!!!!!
well, they did pick a kid who by definition, has no other credentials to his name other than his club team where he a was marginal second line at best and a so-so player on the Brine stacked Long Island North team again riding the coat tails of other really good players on that team
was not at 3D...did not make JR...did not go to Philly Showcase
and I am not even sure if he was at a UNC prospect camp (it would be intersting to know)
and is very well know to be very shy from physical contact and has no prob riding the bench.
congrats to him for getting that far under the proverbial radar but there must be much more to the $tory...
good luck with the big boys at UNC...
you should write for the inquirer. try to get some facts straight before letting your emotions send something like this
so make the corrections and put up the credentials...they must be somewhere for review
Whats the big deal! Both turtles that are committed (Hopkins and UNC) and neither was at 3D, Jake Reed or Philly Showcase. I guess it don't matter for them, lucky kids. Congrats to all 2017 commits.
UNC has officially lost their minds!!!!!!!
well, they did pick a kid who by definition, has no other credentials to his name other than his club team where he a was marginal second line at best and a so-so player on the Brine stacked Long Island North team again riding the coat tails of other really good players on that team
was not at 3D...did not make JR...did not go to Philly Showcase
and I am not even sure if he was at a UNC prospect camp (it would be intersting to know)
and is very well know to be very shy from physical contact and has no prob riding the bench.
congrats to him for getting that far under the proverbial radar but there must be much more to the $tory...
good luck with the big boys at UNC...
BOTC did some research on this post - the player in question is one of the seventeen that compose the Turtles roster and every player on that squad pulls their weight.
Unfortunately, this post is very uninformed and the player in question attended the 3D Showcase and also make the Jake Reed Showcase. Due to an injury (broken arm), the player was not at the Brine event - but it makes a much better story to leave out an injury.
As for physical contact, it is clearly the case that the staff at UNC did not see such a fault in this Class of 2017 player. Given the choice of credentials, a UNC coach versus your anonymous, error-laden posting, BOTC recommends its readers to trust the UNC choice.
Now, for a closing word : any other poster who attempts to post about this child by reference or this situation will be permanently banned. Enough is enough.
so make the corrections and put up the credentials...they must be somewhere for review
I personally made the corrections to your error-laden and uninformed post. My recommendation is that you back away from the keyboard. Gunga Galunga. Think about it.
Completely disagree. Grades are not dispositive of SAT performance. A kid playing on three teams who did not elect honors or who opted out is going to score the same, give or take a percentile.
Let's not deal with anecdotal information, let's deal with specifics. An honor student will take Algebra in eighth grade, Geometry in ninth grade, Algebra II in tenth grade, Precalculus in eleventh grade, and Calculus AB or BC in their senior year.
A non-honors student might not start Algebra until ninth grade and might be placed in an 18-month or 24-month program before sitting for the Regents. That places this same student in Geometry in tenth grade.
While the SAT Math section only requires Algebra and Geometry, which student would you say is better prepared as a junior to sit for the PSAT/PLAN and SAT/ACT exams?
Coming back to the 90th-percentile question, a Math score of 680 is needed to meet that requirement. Verbal scores require a 660 and writing requires a 650. Bottom line is that a 90th-percentile performance is 1440/2090.
And the competitive Catholic schools like Chaminade and Regis that do not technically offer AP have classes that are in fact harder than most similar AP courses in the publics. I know because I have asked and have seen the curriculum.
Unless you have sat for the Calculus BC course, how can you make that assessment?
Let me ask you a different question : Do you know why specific schools do not offer an AP course? (Hint : There is a reason why some schools are not permitted to offer AP courses. BOTC will let you do that research and there is a reason.)
In my high school the two kids who scored over 1450 on the SATs both had high 80s in non-honors. Our valedictorian had a 1300. Grades "may" be indicative but they are not determinative of SAT performance.
Individual cases in isolation cannot be used to prove or disprove the point. For example, consider the following question : What were the scores of all non-honors students with an average in the high 80s? We strongly suspect you are highlighting statistical outliers and concluding that such is expected performance.
I am not relying on anecdotal information: I've spoken to two departmental heads at Regis, and to Chaminade alumni "recruiters", and have asked the question "why no AP classes?" They both had the same answer: every class is higher than AP level, so we don't have to. They went further and said they simply cover too much information already and to add more to meet the AP requirements is too restrictive and not realistic. (That's more investigation than a Google search.)
And I know enough about standardized tests to NOT draw conclusions based on either end of the bell curve. Smarter kids are generally better students, get better grades and score higher on the SAT.
But my original point remains: you can't say a kid with a 3.5 in non-honors is not in the running for an ivy, ND, Duke, G-town etc. You have no idea what the relative competition is in that high school, what courses are harder or easier, or what teachers grade higher or lower. Besides, in a system that adds points to honors classes, a higher GPA is a just that -- a higher GPA. In our school district honors/AP classes get an additional 4% added to the raw grade. So, if you're a 3.3 raw in all honors, that gets upped to about a 3.5. If you're a 2.9 or 3.7 in non-honors, you're a 2.9 or 3.7.
I say a 3.5 puts one within range (honors or non-honors), and the SAT gets you in the door (or not). And I'll take it one step further ... a 3.5 in non-honors is not an indicator of future average or poor SAT performance.
My advice to the parents of this boy ... tell him to have a great four years at Georgetown! It is the best school of the ones mentioned, and a no-brainer unless playing for a lax national championship is more important than the degree (which I think would be a mistake). Good luck and congratulations.
Thank you, two points I am considering are: Georgetown is the best of the choices, but the loans will be much larger and there is very little to no academic support. Some of the other schools such as PSU are offering more money and full support in terms of scheduling, mandatory study halls and tutoring when ever the kid requests it. Still a top school(37) with a strong alumni, Same at Maryland (62) but they have a lower ranking academically, and are offering less money.
Please stop with they did not made Jack R. Or 3D crap. Did the FO kid from TB make JR no. Why because he did not have a director from TB down there. Some express and 91 kids made it because they had directors coaching the teams. Nothing wrong with that just a fact.
Completely disagree. Grades are not dispositive of SAT performance. A kid playing on three teams who did not elect honors or who opted out is going to score the same, give or take a percentile.
Let's not deal with anecdotal information, let's deal with specifics. An honor student will take Algebra in eighth grade, Geometry in ninth grade, Algebra II in tenth grade, Precalculus in eleventh grade, and Calculus AB or BC in their senior year.
A non-honors student might not start Algebra until ninth grade and might be placed in an 18-month or 24-month program before sitting for the Regents. That places this same student in Geometry in tenth grade.
While the SAT Math section only requires Algebra and Geometry, which student would you say is better prepared as a junior to sit for the PSAT/PLAN and SAT/ACT exams?
Coming back to the 90th-percentile question, a Math score of 680 is needed to meet that requirement. Verbal scores require a 660 and writing requires a 650. Bottom line is that a 90th-percentile performance is 1440/2090.
And the competitive Catholic schools like Chaminade and Regis that do not technically offer AP have classes that are in fact harder than most similar AP courses in the publics. I know because I have asked and have seen the curriculum.
Unless you have sat for the Calculus BC course, how can you make that assessment?
Let me ask you a different question : Do you know why specific schools do not offer an AP course? (Hint : There is a reason why some schools are not permitted to offer AP courses. BOTC will let you do that research and there is a reason.)
In my high school the two kids who scored over 1450 on the SATs both had high 80s in non-honors. Our valedictorian had a 1300. Grades "may" be indicative but they are not determinative of SAT performance.
Individual cases in isolation cannot be used to prove or disprove the point. For example, consider the following question : What were the scores of all non-honors students with an average in the high 80s? We strongly suspect you are highlighting statistical outliers and concluding that such is expected performance.
I am not relying on anecdotal information: I've spoken to two departmental heads at Regis, and to Chaminade alumni "recruiters", and have asked the question "why no AP classes?" They both had the same answer: every class is higher than AP level, so we don't have to. They went further and said they simply cover too much information already and to add more to meet the AP requirements is too restrictive and not realistic. (That's more investigation than a Google search.)
And I know enough about standardized tests to NOT draw conclusions based on either end of the bell curve. Smarter kids are generally better students, get better grades and score higher on the SAT.
But my original point remains: you can't say a kid with a 3.5 in non-honors is not in the running for an ivy, ND, Duke, G-town etc. You have no idea what the relative competition is in that high school, what courses are harder or easier, or what teachers grade higher or lower. Besides, in a system that adds points to honors classes, a higher GPA is a just that -- a higher GPA. In our school district honors/AP classes get an additional 4% added to the raw grade. So, if you're a 3.3 raw in all honors, that gets upped to about a 3.5. If you're a 2.9 or 3.7 in non-honors, you're a 2.9 or 3.7.
I say a 3.5 puts one within range (honors or non-honors), and the SAT gets you in the door (or not). And I'll take it one step further ... a 3.5 in non-honors is not an indicator of future average or poor SAT performance.
My advice to the parents of this boy ... tell him to have a great four years at Georgetown! It is the best school of the ones mentioned, and a no-brainer unless playing for a lax national championship is more important than the degree (which I think would be a mistake). Good luck and congratulations.
Thank you, two points I am considering are: Georgetown is the best of the choices, but the loans will be much larger and there is very little to no academic support. Some of the other schools such as PSU are offering more money and full support in terms of scheduling, mandatory study halls and tutoring when ever the kid requests it. Still a top school(37) with a strong alumni, Same at Maryland (62) but they have a lower ranking academically, and are offering less money.
You certainly have a matrix of options to consider. It's a high class problem for sure that 99.9% on this forum wish they had.
Bottom line is that you, and especially your son, should spend time with each coach, get to know the culture of the team, spend some time on each campus with a focus on academics and campus culture, and ultimately make the decision that feels right to your son. It will be his life for 4 years and it will be his 5AM practice calls.
I would like to get some opinions. My 2017 son is a very good player with a 3.5 GPA in non-honors classes (for now!) He has serious interest and offers from the following schools. Syracuse(#2 lax, #62 rank).4 of tuition, and Georgetown (not lax ranked,#20 rank) .4 tuition, Maryland (#10 lax, #62 rank), .33 Tuition, UNC (#5 lax rank, #30 rank) .25 of total cost, and Penn State (#11 lax , 37 rank) .5 of total. It is such a big decision, and we are leaning to one, but would like to know if anyone has any words of wisdom in making this choice. Thanks!
Congratulations to your son! Out of curiosity, are there any time limits on these offers?
Congratulations to your son- what a great bunch of schools to have to chose from!
May I ask, what do you think made the difference for your son? Was it his club team, school team, a specific coach going to bat for him, show cases, etc? We have a year or two ahead of us, but am already overwhelmed by all that the kids can do/should do. It seems like your son is a hard worker, both on the field and off. You must be very proud of his efforts.
Completely disagree. Grades are not dispositive of SAT performance. A kid playing on three teams who did not elect honors or who opted out is going to score the same, give or take a percentile.
Let's not deal with anecdotal information, let's deal with specifics. An honor student will take Algebra in eighth grade, Geometry in ninth grade, Algebra II in tenth grade, Precalculus in eleventh grade, and Calculus AB or BC in their senior year.
A non-honors student might not start Algebra until ninth grade and might be placed in an 18-month or 24-month program before sitting for the Regents. That places this same student in Geometry in tenth grade.
While the SAT Math section only requires Algebra and Geometry, which student would you say is better prepared as a junior to sit for the PSAT/PLAN and SAT/ACT exams?
Coming back to the 90th-percentile question, a Math score of 680 is needed to meet that requirement. Verbal scores require a 660 and writing requires a 650. Bottom line is that a 90th-percentile performance is 1440/2090.
And the competitive Catholic schools like Chaminade and Regis that do not technically offer AP have classes that are in fact harder than most similar AP courses in the publics. I know because I have asked and have seen the curriculum.
Unless you have sat for the Calculus BC course, how can you make that assessment?
Let me ask you a different question : Do you know why specific schools do not offer an AP course? (Hint : There is a reason why some schools are not permitted to offer AP courses. BOTC will let you do that research and there is a reason.)
In my high school the two kids who scored over 1450 on the SATs both had high 80s in non-honors. Our valedictorian had a 1300. Grades "may" be indicative but they are not determinative of SAT performance.
Individual cases in isolation cannot be used to prove or disprove the point. For example, consider the following question : What were the scores of all non-honors students with an average in the high 80s? We strongly suspect you are highlighting statistical outliers and concluding that such is expected performance.
I am not relying on anecdotal information: I've spoken to two departmental heads at Regis, and to Chaminade alumni "recruiters", and have asked the question "why no AP classes?" They both had the same answer: every class is higher than AP level, so we don't have to. They went further and said they simply cover too much information already and to add more to meet the AP requirements is too restrictive and not realistic. (That's more investigation than a Google search.)
And I know enough about standardized tests to NOT draw conclusions based on either end of the bell curve. Smarter kids are generally better students, get better grades and score higher on the SAT.
But my original point remains: you can't say a kid with a 3.5 in non-honors is not in the running for an ivy, ND, Duke, G-town etc. You have no idea what the relative competition is in that high school, what courses are harder or easier, or what teachers grade higher or lower. Besides, in a system that adds points to honors classes, a higher GPA is a just that -- a higher GPA. In our school district honors/AP classes get an additional 4% added to the raw grade. So, if you're a 3.3 raw in all honors, that gets upped to about a 3.5. If you're a 2.9 or 3.7 in non-honors, you're a 2.9 or 3.7.
I say a 3.5 puts one within range (honors or non-honors), and the SAT gets you in the door (or not). And I'll take it one step further ... a 3.5 in non-honors is not an indicator of future average or poor SAT performance.
My advice to the parents of this boy ... tell him to have a great four years at Georgetown! It is the best school of the ones mentioned, and a no-brainer unless playing for a lax national championship is more important than the degree (which I think would be a mistake). Good luck and congratulations.
Thank you, two points I am considering are: Georgetown is the best of the choices, but the loans will be much larger and there is very little to no academic support. Some of the other schools such as PSU are offering more money and full support in terms of scheduling, mandatory study halls and tutoring when ever the kid requests it. Still a top school(37) with a strong alumni, Same at Maryland (62) but they have a lower ranking academically, and are offering less money.
This seems like it's all your decision - "I am considering...". Does your son have any say in the matter or are you controling the whole process and he'll take what you decide for him? What school does HE WANT to go to? Trust me, if you make this deceision for him it will probably not work out. It doesn't sound like he can make a bad decision so let him make the final call.
Completely disagree. Grades are not dispositive of SAT performance. A kid playing on three teams who did not elect honors or who opted out is going to score the same, give or take a percentile.
Let's not deal with anecdotal information, let's deal with specifics. An honor student will take Algebra in eighth grade, Geometry in ninth grade, Algebra II in tenth grade, Precalculus in eleventh grade, and Calculus AB or BC in their senior year.
A non-honors student might not start Algebra until ninth grade and might be placed in an 18-month or 24-month program before sitting for the Regents. That places this same student in Geometry in tenth grade.
While the SAT Math section only requires Algebra and Geometry, which student would you say is better prepared as a junior to sit for the PSAT/PLAN and SAT/ACT exams?
Coming back to the 90th-percentile question, a Math score of 680 is needed to meet that requirement. Verbal scores require a 660 and writing requires a 650. Bottom line is that a 90th-percentile performance is 1440/2090.
And the competitive Catholic schools like Chaminade and Regis that do not technically offer AP have classes that are in fact harder than most similar AP courses in the publics. I know because I have asked and have seen the curriculum.
Unless you have sat for the Calculus BC course, how can you make that assessment?
Let me ask you a different question : Do you know why specific schools do not offer an AP course? (Hint : There is a reason why some schools are not permitted to offer AP courses. BOTC will let you do that research and there is a reason.)
In my high school the two kids who scored over 1450 on the SATs both had high 80s in non-honors. Our valedictorian had a 1300. Grades "may" be indicative but they are not determinative of SAT performance.
Individual cases in isolation cannot be used to prove or disprove the point. For example, consider the following question : What were the scores of all non-honors students with an average in the high 80s? We strongly suspect you are highlighting statistical outliers and concluding that such is expected performance.
I am not relying on anecdotal information: I've spoken to two departmental heads at Regis, and to Chaminade alumni "recruiters", and have asked the question "why no AP classes?" They both had the same answer: every class is higher than AP level, so we don't have to. They went further and said they simply cover too much information already and to add more to meet the AP requirements is too restrictive and not realistic. (That's more investigation than a Google search.)
And I know enough about standardized tests to NOT draw conclusions based on either end of the bell curve. Smarter kids are generally better students, get better grades and score higher on the SAT.
But my original point remains: you can't say a kid with a 3.5 in non-honors is not in the running for an ivy, ND, Duke, G-town etc. You have no idea what the relative competition is in that high school, what courses are harder or easier, or what teachers grade higher or lower. Besides, in a system that adds points to honors classes, a higher GPA is a just that -- a higher GPA. In our school district honors/AP classes get an additional 4% added to the raw grade. So, if you're a 3.3 raw in all honors, that gets upped to about a 3.5. If you're a 2.9 or 3.7 in non-honors, you're a 2.9 or 3.7.
I say a 3.5 puts one within range (honors or non-honors), and the SAT gets you in the door (or not). And I'll take it one step further ... a 3.5 in non-honors is not an indicator of future average or poor SAT performance.
My advice to the parents of this boy ... tell him to have a great four years at Georgetown! It is the best school of the ones mentioned, and a no-brainer unless playing for a lax national championship is more important than the degree (which I think would be a mistake). Good luck and congratulations.
Thank you, two points I am considering are: Georgetown is the best of the choices, but the loans will be much larger and there is very little to no academic support. Some of the other schools such as PSU are offering more money and full support in terms of scheduling, mandatory study halls and tutoring when ever the kid requests it. Still a top school(37) with a strong alumni, Same at Maryland (62) but they have a lower ranking academically, and are offering less money.
This seems like it's all your decision - "I am considering...". Does your son have any say in the matter or are you controling the whole process and he'll take what you decide for him? What school does HE WANT to go to? Trust me, if you make this deceision for him it will probably not work out. It doesn't sound like he can make a bad decision so let him make the final call.
I appreciate what you are saying, and my son did go and visit with all the coaches, he definitely has his preferences. We (I) am trying to have him consider all of the variables. A 14-15 year old boy does not have the wisdom/foresight to make this decision without parental input. Of course, we would not force him to go somewhere he does not "feel", we didn't even visit the Ivies (yes, they called!) because it is not the right fit academically and we are trying to be realistic. A young boy also does not know what it is like to come out of school with massive debt, so cost is also a factor. Like you said, all good choices, so hopefully we make the right decision!
I would like to get some opinions. My 2017 son is a very good player with a 3.5 GPA in non-honors classes (for now!) He has serious interest and offers from the following schools. Syracuse(#2 lax, #62 rank).4 of tuition, and Georgetown (not lax ranked,#20 rank) .4 tuition, Maryland (#10 lax, #62 rank), .33 Tuition, UNC (#5 lax rank, #30 rank) .25 of total cost, and Penn State (#11 lax , 37 rank) .5 of total. It is such a big decision, and we are leaning to one, but would like to know if anyone has any words of wisdom in making this choice. Thanks!
Congratulations to your son! Out of curiosity, are there any time limits on these offers?
Congratulations to your son- what a great bunch of schools to have to chose from!
May I ask, what do you think made the difference for your son? Was it his club team, school team, a specific coach going to bat for him, show cases, etc? We have a year or two ahead of us, but am already overwhelmed by all that the kids can do/should do. It seems like your son is a hard worker, both on the field and off. You must be very proud of his efforts.
My son is not a hard worker at school. He does what he needs to do, but does not "love" school. He loves lacrosse. It has made him a better person, the values he has learned will hopefully translate into success in life (hopefully). He plays for a good school and has been doing varsity tournaments since last summer, also Philly showcase. This put him on radar. Did club many years but not last summer. We are proud of him, and wish the best to everyone else going though this process.
I am a visiting lecturer in the Economics department at Georgetown. I have seen a lot of student athletes pass through and can appreciate these factors as a parent of a lacrosse player in this 2017 class:
1. Student athletes manage a course load on top of approximately 25 hours a week drained for sports. Thankfully most athletes are good time managers.
2. Assuming a student athlete manages time well, there is not a lot of it left. If that time is used to study and prepare, but difficulty remains to make grades it makes a solution nearly impossible. I believe you are greatly overestimating the value of academic support/tutoring. Yes, it is going to be there. But will it help cure the problem? If yes, then barely at best. I have been approached by many decorated student athletes from Georgetown and other strong schools on the D1 lacrosse circuit for job search help. There is nothing anyone can do to alter a bad outcome: if you graduate from a Georgetown or a UVa with a "staying eligible" GPA it cheapens out what was otherwise a great value to have a degree from a strong school.
3. If you can accept that tutoring or support are not the magic cures, then what I would suggest is commit that your kid takes 5 years for college or goes to school each Summer to finish in 4. Right there with that comment I blow up your economic spread in that a parent will pay or the student athlete will incur debt for an additional year of college at full price.
You want your son to have a degree that carries him well in life. The 2.5 student athlete club is not going to carry a kid far...even with a degree from a great school.
I am a visiting lecturer in the Economics department at Georgetown. I have seen a lot of student athletes pass through and can appreciate these factors as a parent of a lacrosse player in this 2017 class:
1. Student athletes manage a course load on top of approximately 25 hours a week drained for sports. Thankfully most athletes are good time managers.
2. Assuming a student athlete manages time well, there is not a lot of it left. If that time is used to study and prepare, but difficulty remains to make grades it makes a solution nearly impossible. I believe you are greatly overestimating the value of academic support/tutoring. Yes, it is going to be there. But will it help cure the problem? If yes, then barely at best. I have been approached by many decorated student athletes from Georgetown and other strong schools on the D1 lacrosse circuit for job search help. There is nothing anyone can do to alter a bad outcome: if you graduate from a Georgetown or a UVa with a "staying eligible" GPA it cheapens out what was otherwise a great value to have a degree from a strong school.
3. If you can accept that tutoring or support are not the magic cures, then what I would suggest is commit that your kid takes 5 years for college or goes to school each Summer to finish in 4. Right there with that comment I blow up your economic spread in that a parent will pay or the student athlete will incur debt for an additional year of college at full price.
You want your son to have a degree that carries him well in life. The 2.5 student athlete club is not going to carry a kid far...even with a degree from a great school.
Excellent post and thank you for your contribution from Georgetown University. BOTC welcomes your input on any of the other academic subjects being discussed on this or our other threads.
I am a visiting lecturer in the Economics department at Georgetown. I have seen a lot of student athletes pass through and can appreciate these factors as a parent of a lacrosse player in this 2017 class:
1. Student athletes manage a course load on top of approximately 25 hours a week drained for sports. Thankfully most athletes are good time managers.
2. Assuming a student athlete manages time well, there is not a lot of it left. If that time is used to study and prepare, but difficulty remains to make grades it makes a solution nearly impossible. I believe you are greatly overestimating the value of academic support/tutoring. Yes, it is going to be there. But will it help cure the problem? If yes, then barely at best. I have been approached by many decorated student athletes from Georgetown and other strong schools on the D1 lacrosse circuit for job search help. There is nothing anyone can do to alter a bad outcome: if you graduate from a Georgetown or a UVa with a "staying eligible" GPA it cheapens out what was otherwise a great value to have a degree from a strong school.
3. If you can accept that tutoring or support are not the magic cures, then what I would suggest is commit that your kid takes 5 years for college or goes to school each Summer to finish in 4. Right there with that comment I blow up your economic spread in that a parent will pay or the student athlete will incur debt for an additional year of college at full price.
You want your son to have a degree that carries him well in life. The 2.5 student athlete club is not going to carry a kid far...even with a degree from a great school.
Exactly the reason why I don't think Georgetown is the right place for my son! Plus we were told by Coach Warne that they don't offer much academic support. The kids that attend are expected to be capable on their own of managing the academic load. Thank you for confirming my thoughts!
I am a visiting lecturer in the Economics department at Georgetown. I have seen a lot of student athletes pass through and can appreciate these factors as a parent of a lacrosse player in this 2017 class:
1. Student athletes manage a course load on top of approximately 25 hours a week drained for sports. Thankfully most athletes are good time managers.
2. Assuming a student athlete manages time well, there is not a lot of it left. If that time is used to study and prepare, but difficulty remains to make grades it makes a solution nearly impossible. I believe you are greatly overestimating the value of academic support/tutoring. Yes, it is going to be there. But will it help cure the problem? If yes, then barely at best. I have been approached by many decorated student athletes from Georgetown and other strong schools on the D1 lacrosse circuit for job search help. There is nothing anyone can do to alter a bad outcome: if you graduate from a Georgetown or a UVa with a "staying eligible" GPA it cheapens out what was otherwise a great value to have a degree from a strong school.
3. If you can accept that tutoring or support are not the magic cures, then what I would suggest is commit that your kid takes 5 years for college or goes to school each Summer to finish in 4. Right there with that comment I blow up your economic spread in that a parent will pay or the student athlete will incur debt for an additional year of college at full price.
You want your son to have a degree that carries him well in life. The 2.5 student athlete club is not going to carry a kid far...even with a degree from a great school.
Exactly the reason why I don't think Georgetown is the right place for my son! Plus we were told by Coach Warne that they don't offer much academic support. The kids that attend are expected to be capable on their own of managing the academic load. Thank you for confirming my thoughts!
Totally true about a G'town or an Ivy, Patriot or any other high end academic school like an NESCAC (D3's) as far as "academic support" goes. Its expected that the student athlete can soar WITHOUT help.
I am a visiting lecturer in the Economics department at Georgetown. I have seen a lot of student athletes pass through and can appreciate these factors as a parent of a lacrosse player in this 2017 class:
1. Student athletes manage a course load on top of approximately 25 hours a week drained for sports. Thankfully most athletes are good time managers.
2. Assuming a student athlete manages time well, there is not a lot of it left. If that time is used to study and prepare, but difficulty remains to make grades it makes a solution nearly impossible. I believe you are greatly overestimating the value of academic support/tutoring. Yes, it is going to be there. But will it help cure the problem? If yes, then barely at best. I have been approached by many decorated student athletes from Georgetown and other strong schools on the D1 lacrosse circuit for job search help. There is nothing anyone can do to alter a bad outcome: if you graduate from a Georgetown or a UVa with a "staying eligible" GPA it cheapens out what was otherwise a great value to have a degree from a strong school.
3. If you can accept that tutoring or support are not the magic cures, then what I would suggest is commit that your kid takes 5 years for college or goes to school each Summer to finish in 4. Right there with that comment I blow up your economic spread in that a parent will pay or the student athlete will incur debt for an additional year of college at full price.
You want your son to have a degree that carries him well in life. The 2.5 student athlete club is not going to carry a kid far...even with a degree from a great school.
Fanatastic post! Players/parents need to understand this. Pick the college that is the best fit for academic success. The difficulty you and your son will endure at a school that is an academic stretch is simply not worth it. Even if you transfer, the damage is already done if you pull a 2.5 at a top school.
I am a visiting lecturer in the Economics department at Georgetown. I have seen a lot of student athletes pass through and can appreciate these factors as a parent of a lacrosse player in this 2017 class:
1. Student athletes manage a course load on top of approximately 25 hours a week drained for sports. Thankfully most athletes are good time managers.
2. Assuming a student athlete manages time well, there is not a lot of it left. If that time is used to study and prepare, but difficulty remains to make grades it makes a solution nearly impossible. I believe you are greatly overestimating the value of academic support/tutoring. Yes, it is going to be there. But will it help cure the problem? If yes, then barely at best. I have been approached by many decorated student athletes from Georgetown and other strong schools on the D1 lacrosse circuit for job search help. There is nothing anyone can do to alter a bad outcome: if you graduate from a Georgetown or a UVa with a "staying eligible" GPA it cheapens out what was otherwise a great value to have a degree from a strong school.
3. If you can accept that tutoring or support are not the magic cures, then what I would suggest is commit that your kid takes 5 years for college or goes to school each Summer to finish in 4. Right there with that comment I blow up your economic spread in that a parent will pay or the student athlete will incur debt for an additional year of college at full price.
You want your son to have a degree that carries him well in life. The 2.5 student athlete club is not going to carry a kid far...even with a degree from a great school.
Exactly the reason why I don't think Georgetown is the right place for my son! Plus we were told by Coach Warne that they don't offer much academic support. The kids that attend are expected to be capable on their own of managing the academic load. Thank you for confirming my thoughts!
Why are you doing this in such a public forumn? While I am sure others' perspectives are helpful, I would be concerned with the anonymity of my son. Your call, not mine but people can probably figure out who you are based on your posts (school opportunities, no club last summer, did well at Philly Showcase, etc.). Again, none of my business, but if you are looking for advice there are much quieter ways to do it.
I am a visiting lecturer in the Economics department at Georgetown. I have seen a lot of student athletes pass through and can appreciate these factors as a parent of a lacrosse player in this 2017 class:
1. Student athletes manage a course load on top of approximately 25 hours a week drained for sports. Thankfully most athletes are good time managers.
2. Assuming a student athlete manages time well, there is not a lot of it left. If that time is used to study and prepare, but difficulty remains to make grades it makes a solution nearly impossible. I believe you are greatly overestimating the value of academic support/tutoring. Yes, it is going to be there. But will it help cure the problem? If yes, then barely at best. I have been approached by many decorated student athletes from Georgetown and other strong schools on the D1 lacrosse circuit for job search help. There is nothing anyone can do to alter a bad outcome: if you graduate from a Georgetown or a UVa with a "staying eligible" GPA it cheapens out what was otherwise a great value to have a degree from a strong school.
3. If you can accept that tutoring or support are not the magic cures, then what I would suggest is commit that your kid takes 5 years for college or goes to school each Summer to finish in 4. Right there with that comment I blow up your economic spread in that a parent will pay or the student athlete will incur debt for an additional year of college at full price.
You want your son to have a degree that carries him well in life. The 2.5 student athlete club is not going to carry a kid far...even with a degree from a great school.
Exactly the reason why I don't think Georgetown is the right place for my son! Plus we were told by Coach Warne that they don't offer much academic support. The kids that attend are expected to be capable on their own of managing the academic load. Thank you for confirming my thoughts!
Why are you doing this in such a public forumn? While I am sure others' perspectives are helpful, I would be concerned with the anonymity of my son. Your call, not mine but people can probably figure out who you are based on your posts (school opportunities, no club last summer, did well at Philly Showcase, etc.). Again, none of my business, but if you are looking for advice there are much quieter ways to do it.
I am just looking to see if others in the same situation, or soon to be, have any valuable insight that I may be able to benefit from. There are many other kids just like my son out there right now, so if trying to "figure out who he is" is important, go ahead. I have asked many people for their advise, and thought an anonymous forum might bring out some things that I may not have considered.
I'm pretty convinced this is some fictional profile. If you've been around the college visit tour this past Fall, you'll realize that a lot of his details just don't add up. Maybe I'm wrong and all these schools are just waiting around for this mystery stud to commit. It just seems strange since Georgetown and Syracuse have not committed one 2017 and Penn State only committed one true freshman (a goalie).
I am a visiting lecturer in the Economics department at Georgetown. I have seen a lot of student athletes pass through and can appreciate these factors as a parent of a lacrosse player in this 2017 class:
1. Student athletes manage a course load on top of approximately 25 hours a week drained for sports. Thankfully most athletes are good time managers.
2. Assuming a student athlete manages time well, there is not a lot of it left. If that time is used to study and prepare, but difficulty remains to make grades it makes a solution nearly impossible. I believe you are greatly overestimating the value of academic support/tutoring. Yes, it is going to be there. But will it help cure the problem? If yes, then barely at best. I have been approached by many decorated student athletes from Georgetown and other strong schools on the D1 lacrosse circuit for job search help. There is nothing anyone can do to alter a bad outcome: if you graduate from a Georgetown or a UVa with a "staying eligible" GPA it cheapens out what was otherwise a great value to have a degree from a strong school.
3. If you can accept that tutoring or support are not the magic cures, then what I would suggest is commit that your kid takes 5 years for college or goes to school each Summer to finish in 4. Right there with that comment I blow up your economic spread in that a parent will pay or the student athlete will incur debt for an additional year of college at full price.
You want your son to have a degree that carries him well in life. The 2.5 student athlete club is not going to carry a kid far...even with a degree from a great school.
Exactly the reason why I don't think Georgetown is the right place for my son! Plus we were told by Coach Warne that they don't offer much academic support. The kids that attend are expected to be capable on their own of managing the academic load. Thank you for confirming my thoughts!
Why are you doing this in such a public forumn? While I am sure others' perspectives are helpful, I would be concerned with the anonymity of my son. Your call, not mine but people can probably figure out who you are based on your posts (school opportunities, no club last summer, did well at Philly Showcase, etc.). Again, none of my business, but if you are looking for advice there are much quieter ways to do it.
I am a visiting lecturer in the Economics department at Georgetown. I have seen a lot of student athletes pass through and can appreciate these factors as a parent of a lacrosse player in this 2017 class:
1. Student athletes manage a course load on top of approximately 25 hours a week drained for sports. Thankfully most athletes are good time managers.
2. Assuming a student athlete manages time well, there is not a lot of it left. If that time is used to study and prepare, but difficulty remains to make grades it makes a solution nearly impossible. I believe you are greatly overestimating the value of academic support/tutoring. Yes, it is going to be there. But will it help cure the problem? If yes, then barely at best. I have been approached by many decorated student athletes from Georgetown and other strong schools on the D1 lacrosse circuit for job search help. There is nothing anyone can do to alter a bad outcome: if you graduate from a Georgetown or a UVa with a "staying eligible" GPA it cheapens out what was otherwise a great value to have a degree from a strong school.
3. If you can accept that tutoring or support are not the magic cures, then what I would suggest is commit that your kid takes 5 years for college or goes to school each Summer to finish in 4. Right there with that comment I blow up your economic spread in that a parent will pay or the student athlete will incur debt for an additional year of college at full price.
You want your son to have a degree that carries him well in life. The 2.5 student athlete club is not going to carry a kid far...even with a degree from a great school.
Sir you speak with such authority... Is that the garbage they teach in $60,000 a year schools now??? "The 2.5 student athlete club is not going to carry a kid far..." Wow, that is such an ignorant statement!!! Georgetown is a great school, that being said there is absolutely no way to monetize the achievement of a 3.5 verse that of 2.5 gpa. In the long run, I assure you it will have next to zero impact on the student 5 years down the line. I dare say that the work ethic of a student athlete combined with the networking opportunities far, far out way the 3.5 gpa a non athlete achieves. Be very certain of this fact, where one goes to school has very little impact in the business world beyond maybe, the Ivies. Getting into one of these schools is in no way some ticket to prosperity. Let's face it, 95% of the drivel spewed at these schools today is useless. (as proven by your ignorant statement ) To the poster above, let your son go to the school he "LIKES" the most. Everything else will fall into place. Advise your son to work as hard as he can, but enjoy himself too. Please also guide him that just because he went to G'town or Harvard, the real world doesn't really care all that much. You need to prepare your son that to get anywhere in life he will have work harder than he ever has before. I further assure you that right next to him in the real world is the kid who went to no where U and is willing to out work him all day everyday. The boss won't care where the degree is from, its about performance.... Kind of like the lacrosse field, imagine that! Just so we're clear, I'm a visiting professor (CEO)from the real world. Corporate America is starved for the old school values of work ethic, determination, and team work. Kids that think the world owes them something because of the school they went to will be eaten alive.
I would like to get some opinions. My 2017 son is a very good player with a 3.5 GPA in non-honors classes (for now!) He has serious interest and offers from the following schools. Syracuse(#2 lax, #62 rank).4 of tuition, and Georgetown (not lax ranked,#20 rank) .4 tuition, Maryland (#10 lax, #62 rank), .33 Tuition, UNC (#5 lax rank, #30 rank) .25 of total cost, and Penn State (#11 lax , 37 rank) .5 of total. It is such a big decision, and we are leaning to one, but would like to know if anyone has any words of wisdom in making this choice. Thanks!
Congratulations to your son! Out of curiosity, are there any time limits on these offers?
Congratulations to your son- what a great bunch of schools to have to chose from!
May I ask, what do you think made the difference for your son? Was it his club team, school team, a specific coach going to bat for him, show cases, etc? We have a year or two ahead of us, but am already overwhelmed by all that the kids can do/should do. It seems like your son is a hard worker, both on the field and off. You must be very proud of his efforts.
My son is not a hard worker at school. He does what he needs to do, but does not "love" school. He loves lacrosse. It has made him a better person, the values he has learned will hopefully translate into success in life (hopefully). He plays for a good school and has been doing varsity tournaments since last summer, also Philly showcase. This put him on radar. Did club many years but not last summer. We are proud of him, and wish the best to everyone else going though this process.
Thanks for the insight. My son is a couple of years away from this process, so the information is helpful. Did the coaches begin contacting you after Philly, or did you show interest first?
Visiting lecturer here again. I was only trying to be helpful and share my insights. Take all of it with pounds of sand. I am not an authority and can only share my optic. Yes, it is true that where you went to school and what your GPA was does fall away in relevance over time. By the way, I am not an academic, I am a business owner who is a visiting lecturer only.
I have seen Georgetown grads with All-America decorations struggle to get a first job. Some of that is a tough economy and some of it remains that they were 2.4-2.7 students competing with better students for a first job. Few employers care that you were All-America in a sport much beyond seeing that as a work ethic plus. They care about an academic record. Getting a first job with a weak college record is acutely difficult today I think and have seen. Your disagreement is noted, and I see your point on the 5+ years out scenarios. I am talking about kids having the best first job opportunity.
Sir you speak with such authority... Is that the garbage they teach in $60,000 a year schools now??? "The 2.5 student athlete club is not going to carry a kid far..." Wow, that is such an ignorant statement!!!
Have you had a child in their sophomore, junior or senior year of college compete for on-campus interviews or internships? When you present a resume to a potenial employer, do you think a 2.5 or 3.5 GPA will be more likely to get a look? Do you believe that a recruiter attending a Georgetown Open House will be looking for an athlete's background?
Georgetown is a great school, that being said there is absolutely no way to monetize the achievement of a 3.5 verse that of 2.5 gpa.
Establishing a hard dollar value - no. Establishing that there would be more opportunities for interviews - yes.
In the long run, I assure you it will have next to zero impact on the student 5 years down the line.
Do you have students that have entered the job or graduate school markets in the last five years? There is a residual impact as the same opportunities will simply not present themselves.
I dare say that the work ethic of a student athlete combined with the networking opportunities far, far out way the 3.5 gpa a non athlete achieves.
Just as you cannot monetize the value of a 2.5 over a 3.5 GPA, you cannot assert that a sports-influenced 2.5 demonstrates a stronger work ethic. As an interviewer, you are looking for skill sets in an entry level candidate and the competition is fierce.
Be very certain of this fact, where one goes to school has very little impact in the business world beyond maybe, the Ivies.
Incorrect. You are ignoring the pull that an alumni network has in the region surrounding an institution. For example, attending UVa hoping to land a New [lacrosse] based internship is not a solid strategy.
Getting into one of these schools is in no way some ticket to prosperity. Let's face it, 95% of the drivel spewed at these schools today is useless. (as proven by your ignorant statement )
If what you say is true, the development of an 18 year old High School senior with and without college would follow the same trajectory. Clearly, that is not the case.
To the poster above, let your son go to the school he "LIKES" the most. Everything else will fall into place. Advise your son to work as hard as he can, but enjoy himself too. Please also guide him that just because he went to G'town or Harvard, the real world doesn't really care all that much.
We disagree.
You need to prepare your son that to get anywhere in life he will have work harder than he ever has before. I further assure you that right next to him in the real world is the kid who went to no where U and is willing to out work him all day everyday. The boss won't care where the degree is from, its about performance....
Agreed with the work ethic, but Nowhere U's student is less likely to get the same opportunity.
Kind of like the lacrosse field, imagine that! Just so we're clear, I'm a visiting professor (CEO)from the real world. Corporate America is starved for the old school values of work ethic, determination, and team work. Kids that think the world owes them something because of the school they went to will be eaten alive.
A credible CEO would not typically refer to another's opinion as garbage, much less associating a price tag with it. If you are a CEO from the "real world", perhaps you should be more concerned about your corporation than pontificating here on BOTC?
Visiting lecturer here again. I was only trying to be helpful and share my insights. Take all of it with pounds of sand. I am not an authority and can only share my optic. Yes, it is true that where you went to school and what your GPA was does fall away in relevance over time. By the way, I am not an academic, I am a business owner who is a visiting lecturer only.
I have seen Georgetown grads with All-America decorations struggle to get a first job. Some of that is a tough economy and some of it remains that they were 2.4-2.7 students competing with better students for a first job. Few employers care that you were All-America in a sport much beyond seeing that as a work ethic plus. They care about an academic record. Getting a first job with a weak college record is acutely difficult today I think and have seen. Your disagreement is noted, and I see your point on the 5+ years out scenarios. I am talking about kids having the best first job opportunity.
Thank you again for your contribution.
Sir you speak with such authority... Is that the garbage they teach in $60,000 a year schools now??? "The 2.5 student athlete club is not going to carry a kid far..." Wow, that is such an ignorant statement!!!
Have you had a child in their sophomore, junior or senior year of college compete for on-campus interviews or internships? When you present a resume to a potenial employer, do you think a 2.5 or 3.5 GPA will be more likely to get a look? Do you believe that a recruiter attending a Georgetown Open House will be looking for an athlete's background?
Georgetown is a great school, that being said there is absolutely no way to monetize the achievement of a 3.5 verse that of 2.5 gpa.
Establishing a hard dollar value - no. Establishing that there would be more opportunities for interviews - yes.
In the long run, I assure you it will have next to zero impact on the student 5 years down the line.
Do you have students that have entered the job or graduate school markets in the last five years? There is a residual impact as the same opportunities will simply not present themselves.
I dare say that the work ethic of a student athlete combined with the networking opportunities far, far out way the 3.5 gpa a non athlete achieves.
Just as you cannot monetize the value of a 2.5 over a 3.5 GPA, you cannot assert that a sports-influenced 2.5 demonstrates a stronger work ethic. As an interviewer, you are looking for skill sets in an entry level candidate and the competition is fierce.
Be very certain of this fact, where one goes to school has very little impact in the business world beyond maybe, the Ivies.
Incorrect. You are ignoring the pull that an alumni network has in the region surrounding an institution. For example, attending UVa hoping to land a New [lacrosse] based internship is not a solid strategy.
Getting into one of these schools is in no way some ticket to prosperity. Let's face it, 95% of the drivel spewed at these schools today is useless. (as proven by your ignorant statement )
If what you say is true, the development of an 18 year old High School senior with and without college would follow the same trajectory. Clearly, that is not the case.
To the poster above, let your son go to the school he "LIKES" the most. Everything else will fall into place. Advise your son to work as hard as he can, but enjoy himself too. Please also guide him that just because he went to G'town or Harvard, the real world doesn't really care all that much.
We disagree.
You need to prepare your son that to get anywhere in life he will have work harder than he ever has before. I further assure you that right next to him in the real world is the kid who went to no where U and is willing to out work him all day everyday. The boss won't care where the degree is from, its about performance....
Agreed with the work ethic, but Nowhere U's student is less likely to get the same opportunity.
Kind of like the lacrosse field, imagine that! Just so we're clear, I'm a visiting professor (CEO)from the real world. Corporate America is starved for the old school values of work ethic, determination, and team work. Kids that think the world owes them something because of the school they went to will be eaten alive.
A credible CEO would not typically refer to another's opinion as garbage, much less associating a price tag with it. If you are a CEO from the "real world", perhaps you should be more concerned about your corporation than pontificating here on BOTC?
Cage, the assertion that a student who gets a 2.5 will not go far in life is "garbage". To say that to a parent or a kid is not only garbage, it is down right irresponsible. Has the vaunted professor performed a study over 30 plus years of individual graduates to back up his opinion? I think not.
I never said the student with higher grades wouldn't receive more opportunity immediately after graduation. I said 5 years after, there would be very little difference.
Let's be clear, as the CEO of a company I built from ZERO, I am far less concerned with where a candidate went to school than with what they achieved in the real world. I have hired many people over the years for six figure plus positions, the school they went to was never a deciding factor, nor were their grades. Further, I have had this discussion with my contemporaries, to a person, school name has very little if any impact on hiring and individual 5 plus years after graduation.
You sir, have posted on this site numerous times about your own children's academic success. Which you should be proud of. Perhaps you feel given the achievements in the classroom, they or you are owed something in life. Perhaps the academic achievements didn't quite yield the desired or anticipated results.
BTW, don't worry about my company, doing just fine and I'm semi retired in my late 40's. I come on here because my two son's love lax, as do I. Further, I will respond to whatever I want, whenever I want to. If I feel compelled to give folks a different perspective on things than that of an ill informed professor, I will.
I am a visiting lecturer in the Economics department at Georgetown. I have seen a lot of student athletes pass through and can appreciate these factors as a parent of a lacrosse player in this 2017 class:
1. Student athletes manage a course load on top of approximately 25 hours a week drained for sports. Thankfully most athletes are good time managers.
2. Assuming a student athlete manages time well, there is not a lot of it left. If that time is used to study and prepare, but difficulty remains to make grades it makes a solution nearly impossible. I believe you are greatly overestimating the value of academic support/tutoring. Yes, it is going to be there. But will it help cure the problem? If yes, then barely at best. I have been approached by many decorated student athletes from Georgetown and other strong schools on the D1 lacrosse circuit for job search help. There is nothing anyone can do to alter a bad outcome: if you graduate from a Georgetown or a UVa with a "staying eligible" GPA it cheapens out what was otherwise a great value to have a degree from a strong school.
3. If you can accept that tutoring or support are not the magic cures, then what I would suggest is commit that your kid takes 5 years for college or goes to school each Summer to finish in 4. Right there with that comment I blow up your economic spread in that a parent will pay or the student athlete will incur debt for an additional year of college at full price.
You want your son to have a degree that carries him well in life. The 2.5 student athlete club is not going to carry a kid far...even with a degree from a great school.
Sir you speak with such authority... Is that the garbage they teach in $60,000 a year schools now??? "The 2.5 student athlete club is not going to carry a kid far..." Wow, that is such an ignorant statement!!! Georgetown is a great school, that being said there is absolutely no way to monetize the achievement of a 3.5 verse that of 2.5 gpa. In the long run, I assure you it will have next to zero impact on the student 5 years down the line. I dare say that the work ethic of a student athlete combined with the networking opportunities far, far out way the 3.5 gpa a non athlete achieves. Be very certain of this fact, where one goes to school has very little impact in the business world beyond maybe, the Ivies. Getting into one of these schools is in no way some ticket to prosperity. Let's face it, 95% of the drivel spewed at these schools today is useless. (as proven by your ignorant statement ) To the poster above, let your son go to the school he "LIKES" the most. Everything else will fall into place. Advise your son to work as hard as he can, but enjoy himself too. Please also guide him that just because he went to G'town or Harvard, the real world doesn't really care all that much. You need to prepare your son that to get anywhere in life he will have work harder than he ever has before. I further assure you that right next to him in the real world is the kid who went to no where U and is willing to out work him all day everyday. The boss won't care where the degree is from, its about performance.... Kind of like the lacrosse field, imagine that! Just so we're clear, I'm a visiting professor (CEO)from the real world. Corporate America is starved for the old school values of work ethic, determination, and team work. Kids that think the world owes them something because of the school they went to will be eaten alive.
Get real Mr. CEO. That 2.5 in today's world is useless. You'll never get the opportunity to show what a "hard worker" you are because there are thousands of 3.5's and up that worked their tails off and are smarter. Your first impression with a 2.5 means your either not too smart or lazy.
I am a visiting lecturer in the Economics department at Georgetown. I have seen a lot of student athletes pass through and can appreciate these factors as a parent of a lacrosse player in this 2017 class:
1. Student athletes manage a course load on top of approximately 25 hours a week drained for sports. Thankfully most athletes are good time managers.
2. Assuming a student athlete manages time well, there is not a lot of it left. If that time is used to study and prepare, but difficulty remains to make grades it makes a solution nearly impossible. I believe you are greatly overestimating the value of academic support/tutoring. Yes, it is going to be there. But will it help cure the problem? If yes, then barely at best. I have been approached by many decorated student athletes from Georgetown and other strong schools on the D1 lacrosse circuit for job search help. There is nothing anyone can do to alter a bad outcome: if you graduate from a Georgetown or a UVa with a "staying eligible" GPA it cheapens out what was otherwise a great value to have a degree from a strong school.
3. If you can accept that tutoring or support are not the magic cures, then what I would suggest is commit that your kid takes 5 years for college or goes to school each Summer to finish in 4. Right there with that comment I blow up your economic spread in that a parent will pay or the student athlete will incur debt for an additional year of college at full price.
You want your son to have a degree that carries him well in life. The 2.5 student athlete club is not going to carry a kid far...even with a degree from a great school.
Sir you speak with such authority... Is that the garbage they teach in $60,000 a year schools now??? "The 2.5 student athlete club is not going to carry a kid far..." Wow, that is such an ignorant statement!!! Georgetown is a great school, that being said there is absolutely no way to monetize the achievement of a 3.5 verse that of 2.5 gpa. In the long run, I assure you it will have next to zero impact on the student 5 years down the line. I dare say that the work ethic of a student athlete combined with the networking opportunities far, far out way the 3.5 gpa a non athlete achieves. Be very certain of this fact, where one goes to school has very little impact in the business world beyond maybe, the Ivies. Getting into one of these schools is in no way some ticket to prosperity. Let's face it, 95% of the drivel spewed at these schools today is useless. (as proven by your ignorant statement ) To the poster above, let your son go to the school he "LIKES" the most. Everything else will fall into place. Advise your son to work as hard as he can, but enjoy himself too. Please also guide him that just because he went to G'town or Harvard, the real world doesn't really care all that much. You need to prepare your son that to get anywhere in life he will have work harder than he ever has before. I further assure you that right next to him in the real world is the kid who went to no where U and is willing to out work him all day everyday. The boss won't care where the degree is from, its about performance.... Kind of like the lacrosse field, imagine that! Just so we're clear, I'm a visiting professor (CEO)from the real world. Corporate America is starved for the old school values of work ethic, determination, and team work. Kids that think the world owes them something because of the school they went to will be eaten alive.
I disagree with the substance and tone of your post. GPAs matter a lot for a kid beginning his/her career. As you get older what you did in college becomes less and less relevant. You will eventually have a Yale guy reporting to someone from a SUNY school, etc. That happens.....a lot. In terms of starting out, though, there are employers who won't interview you (even with a 4.0) unless you come from a top tier school. And there are other employers who won't interview you unless you have a certain GPA. That is reality. Now maybe lax networking will give a kid the inside track for a job...it often does and that is a great collateral benefit to playing. However, you are at a disadvantage when beginning your career if you are sporting a 2.5 GPA.
"Cage, the assertion that a student who gets a 2.5 will not go far in life is "garbage". To say that to a parent or a kid is not only garbage, it is down right irresponsible."
I did not see that statement in Cage's post. Looks like you are making an assumption based on his statements.
I hire a lot of computer science majors right out of school. I hardly notice their GPA. I'm more concerned with real world experience (internships, summer jobs, etc.).
Most lacrosse players are not computer science majors. They want to be bankers consultants etc... Most won't look at you unless you have a 3.5. In some cases you make sneak by with a 3.3 or 3.4 if you're from a Top 5 school. GPA matters!
Isn't the point that is being made is that those internships and summer jobs typically go to the kids with the higher GPA's?
"Cage, the assertion that a student who gets a 2.5 will not go far in life is "garbage". To say that to a parent or a kid is not only garbage, it is down right irresponsible."
I did not see that statement in Cage's post. Looks like you are making an assumption based on his statements.
What are you talking about? The Economics poster specifically said "an athletes 2.5 gpa will not carry him far in life" That's the garage I referred to. It is garbage and irresponsible to say such a thing. His assertion is that one won't get anywhere if there college gpa was 2.5. As if the next 40 years of your life are doomed because of a 2.5 gpa. Such an insane statement.
I am a visiting lecturer in the Economics department at Georgetown. I have seen a lot of student athletes pass through and can appreciate these factors as a parent of a lacrosse player in this 2017 class:
1. Student athletes manage a course load on top of approximately 25 hours a week drained for sports. Thankfully most athletes are good time managers.
2. Assuming a student athlete manages time well, there is not a lot of it left. If that time is used to study and prepare, but difficulty remains to make grades it makes a solution nearly impossible. I believe you are greatly overestimating the value of academic support/tutoring. Yes, it is going to be there. But will it help cure the problem? If yes, then barely at best. I have been approached by many decorated student athletes from Georgetown and other strong schools on the D1 lacrosse circuit for job search help. There is nothing anyone can do to alter a bad outcome: if you graduate from a Georgetown or a UVa with a "staying eligible" GPA it cheapens out what was otherwise a great value to have a degree from a strong school.
3. If you can accept that tutoring or support are not the magic cures, then what I would suggest is commit that your kid takes 5 years for college or goes to school each Summer to finish in 4. Right there with that comment I blow up your economic spread in that a parent will pay or the student athlete will incur debt for an additional year of college at full price.
You want your son to have a degree that carries him well in life. The 2.5 student athlete club is not going to carry a kid far...even with a degree from a great school.
Sir you speak with such authority... Is that the garbage they teach in $60,000 a year schools now??? "The 2.5 student athlete club is not going to carry a kid far..." Wow, that is such an ignorant statement!!! Georgetown is a great school, that being said there is absolutely no way to monetize the achievement of a 3.5 verse that of 2.5 gpa. In the long run, I assure you it will have next to zero impact on the student 5 years down the line. I dare say that the work ethic of a student athlete combined with the networking opportunities far, far out way the 3.5 gpa a non athlete achieves. Be very certain of this fact, where one goes to school has very little impact in the business world beyond maybe, the Ivies. Getting into one of these schools is in no way some ticket to prosperity. Let's face it, 95% of the drivel spewed at these schools today is useless. (as proven by your ignorant statement ) To the poster above, let your son go to the school he "LIKES" the most. Everything else will fall into place. Advise your son to work as hard as he can, but enjoy himself too. Please also guide him that just because he went to G'town or Harvard, the real world doesn't really care all that much. You need to prepare your son that to get anywhere in life he will have work harder than he ever has before. I further assure you that right next to him in the real world is the kid who went to no where U and is willing to out work him all day everyday. The boss won't care where the degree is from, its about performance.... Kind of like the lacrosse field, imagine that! Just so we're clear, I'm a visiting professor (CEO)from the real world. Corporate America is starved for the old school values of work ethic, determination, and team work. Kids that think the world owes them something because of the school they went to will be eaten alive.
Get real Mr. CEO. That 2.5 in today's world is useless. You'll never get the opportunity to show what a "hard worker" you are because there are thousands of 3.5's and up that worked their tails off and are smarter. Your first impression with a 2.5 means your either not too smart or lazy.
Or maybe they just don't love school.
Most lacrosse players are not computer science majors. They want to be bankers consultants etc... Most won't look at you unless you have a 3.5. In some cases you make sneak by with a 3.3 or 3.4 if you're from a Top 5 school. GPA matters!
To assert that a kid that comes out of school with 2.5 GPA is doomed is just nuts. Five years after school it all evens out.
However, GPA doesn't matter all that much, perhaps you should read the WSJ. Recent article depicts hiring trends of the very professions you speak of. They are hiring athletes in droves with lower grades than non-athlete. Why? They are mentally tough and have essentially worked full-time while going to school. They have the ability to handle pressure, and don't crack under it. They are more well rounded and tend to have a strong work ethic. By the way, not every lax kid want to be in banking either. Major generalization on your part.
Agreed, but I see both sides of the issue.
Goldman may look at GPA for an entry level program, and if that is where you want your kid, god bless you. I have hired many new college grads ( and new law school grads) and I want a worker. My legal career (25 yrs) tells me clearly I want someone who hustles and is willing to do what it takes. Whether or not you got an A in history matters little, a B in torts?. If you went to St Johns law as opposed to NYU, should I not hire the person that will get the job done...
If you want google, better be a 4.0. If you are a worker, there is a start up somewhere that wants you...
Only one Goldman and only one google, but plenty of other companies out there that will understand and respect the commitment a d-1 athlete endures. surely such dedication at that level portends a passionate being.
Show me a 16 year old cashier at 7/11 and I can tell you if that kid will hustle.
show me a d-pole that slides to protect his goalie or a fogo that fights for possession and I, for one, will hire even if undergrad had a 2.5 but hustled enough to kill the lsat and find st johns or brooklyn law
"Cage, the assertion that a student who gets a 2.5 will not go far in life is "garbage". To say that to a parent or a kid is not only garbage, it is down right irresponsible."
I did not see that statement in Cage's post. Looks like you are making an assumption based on his statements.
What are you talking about? The Economics poster specifically said "an athletes 2.5 gpa will not carry him far in life" That's the garage I referred to. It is garbage and irresponsible to say such a thing. His assertion is that one won't get anywhere if there college gpa was 2.5. As if the next 40 years of your life are doomed because of a 2.5 gpa. Such an insane statement.
I practically failed out of college, today I am making more than most of you clowns!
Another day, another 2 2017 commits. 1 LI FOGO from Commack to Maryland, 1 St. Paul's/Breakers A to Furman. According to Inside Lacrosse, 2017 class now up to 27 "public" commits. Crazy stuff when Furman starts taking 2017s. Congrats to the boys.
I did, went back finished, scored in the 96% in GMATS went to Bschool, got the entry jobs due to people i met at school, and additional jobs due to performance and hard work, and am doing just fine.
This myth of 2.5 means you don't get a good job career IS BS. I do recognize that it matters when some companies are looking to do on campus interviewing. IE Proctor & Gamble only looks at Bschool students with a 3.5 or higher an only from some schools.
Just like Fidelity only looks to top 5 B schools for their FMR organization.
Work hard, have a balanced life!
Most lacrosse players are not computer science majors. They want to be bankers consultants etc... Most won't look at you unless you have a 3.5. In some cases you make sneak by with a 3.3 or 3.4 if you're from a Top 5 school. GPA matters!
To assert that a kid that comes out of school with 2.5 GPA is doomed is just nuts. Five years after school it all evens out.
However, GPA doesn't matter all that much, perhaps you should read the WSJ. Recent article depicts hiring trends of the very professions you speak of. They are hiring athletes in droves with lower grades than non-athlete. Why? They are mentally tough and have essentially worked full-time while going to school. They have the ability to handle pressure, and don't crack under it. They are more well rounded and tend to have a strong work ethic. By the way, not every lax kid want to be in banking either. Major generalization on your part.
Generalizations are a mistake. For every kid like you describe there is a meat head, prima donna lax bro who has been catered to since second grade with Mommy and Daddy driving him all over the world, politicking to get him on the best travel teams , etc. Some of these kids cannot even write a resume much less excel in the workplace. On the other hand, some have all of the qualities you mention and will crush it. But the point is athletic success does not guarantee success in business.....unless of course the business is lacrosse. Seems to be never ending income stream for anyone with a D1 background who wants to coach young LI hopefuls (ha!)
"Cage, the assertion that a student who gets a 2.5 will not go far in life is "garbage". To say that to a parent or a kid is not only garbage, it is down right irresponsible."
I did not see that statement in Cage's post. Looks like you are making an assumption based on his statements.
What are you talking about? The Economics poster specifically said "an athletes 2.5 gpa will not carry him far in life" That's the garage I referred to. It is garbage and irresponsible to say such a thing. His assertion is that one won't get anywhere if there college gpa was 2.5. As if the next 40 years of your life are doomed because of a 2.5 gpa. Such an insane statement.
I practically failed out of college, today I am making more than most of you clowns!
Amen, and that just about sums up the whole conversation.
Sorry if I have missed this...how does one get an invite to Maverik Showtime? I understand it is "Sold Out" for 2014...but if your son was invited - what was the process? Club or HS coach reached out to maverik? you sent them a highlight link? what was the procedure? thanks
"Cage, the assertion that a student who gets a 2.5 will not go far in life is "garbage". To say that to a parent or a kid is not only garbage, it is down right irresponsible."
I did not see that statement in Cage's post. Looks like you are making an assumption based on his statements.
What are you talking about? The Economics poster specifically said "an athletes 2.5 gpa will not carry him far in life" That's the garage I referred to. It is garbage and irresponsible to say such a thing. His assertion is that one won't get anywhere if there college gpa was 2.5. As if the next 40 years of your life are doomed because of a 2.5 gpa. Such an insane statement.
I practically failed out of college, today I am making more than most of you clowns!
Amen, and that just about sums up the whole conversation.
Different world today then when you grduated.
Sorry if I have missed this...how does one get an invite to Maverik Showtime? I understand it is "Sold Out" for 2014...but if your son was invited - what was the process? Club or HS coach reached out to maverik? you sent them a highlight link? what was the procedure? thanks
Best, most important individual showcase by a wide margin in my opinion. Club and/or H.S. coach recommendation. Nominations due in by late August/early September. Extremely selective. They filled up a long time ago but there could be some late spots open up if some committed kids decide not to go. They encourage both committed and non-committed kids to go, but some committed kids may decide not to which may open up a few spots.
What club team does the 2017 FOGO from Commack who just committed to Maryland yesterday play for? Congrats to him as there are a lot of good fogos on LI.
True Blue lacrosse for that Commack player.
Seems like Maverick is becoming more of the elite camp over Jake Reed. What are the differences. How has become so popular over the past couple of years.
True Blue lacrosse for that Commack player.
Thanks and congrats to him and the club. Good player!
Seems like Maverick is becoming more of the elite camp over Jake Reed. What are the differences. How has become so popular over the past couple of years.
Maverick has fewer kids - 160 vs. 240 for Jake Reed and is therefore more selective
Maverick has an All-Star game which college coaches like, Jake Reed doesn't
Maverick is better organized and better run with fewer fields/closer together which makes it easier for coaches to watch and evaluate
Jake Reed is still good/coveted, but for the reasons above plus a view that 3D has watered down Jake Reed by expanding the # of kids to 240, marketing hype, etc., Maverick is more important/higher profile right now. Plus they have better garb for the kids ):
I would second that. JR has been a brand name for some time, but the franchise has been diluted a lot by expanded numbers. Our club coach told us something interesting which was that college assistant coaches are going to JR, Maverick, Top205, UA and possibly Brine. Hit two of those five and you are seen and known. Hit five and you are likely just draining money for duplicative looks. And he also said the king now is Maverick.
Everyone is bashing Jake Reed, he is doing exactly what he should be doing conforming his camp to the present environment. It is impossible to get a true evaluation of players in the present environment by word of mouth alone. Youth lacrosse is exploding in this country, their are more kids then ever playing lacrosse. They still give out invites to the best players recommended by the most respected coach's in the country without going to Florida. Now he is giving kids the chance to get a look what can possibly be wrong with this why is this considered watered down? If they player can not preform he will not get selected period.
Who are the people behind the Maverick Camp?
Who are the people behind the Maverick Camp?
Syracuse guys
Another day, another 2 2017 commits. 1 LI FOGO from Commack to Maryland, 1 St. Paul's/Breakers A to Furman. According to Inside Lacrosse, 2017 class now up to 27 "public" commits. Crazy stuff when Furman starts taking 2017s. Congrats to the boys.
Why is it "crazy" for Furman? Do you not understand the direction this is headed? No one, or no organization will stop it. Least of all the NCAA. (think $$$) In football and basketball they are getting verbals from 7th an 8th graders. Just two or three years ago it was un-heard of to see a sophomore commit in lacrosse. Now we have freshman committing all over the place. It will not stop. Either this coming fall or next we will see an 8th grader commit. It is bound to happen. It has to. Some programs are nearly done at the 2017 level. Early recruiting is on a runaway train, with no signs of slowing down. I neither agree nor disagree with it, but one cannot ignore the path...
Everyone is bashing Jake Reed, he is doing exactly what he should be doing conforming his camp to the present environment. It is impossible to get a true evaluation of players in the present environment by word of mouth alone. Youth lacrosse is exploding in this country, their are more kids then ever playing lacrosse. They still give out invites to the best players recommended by the most respected coach's in the country without going to Florida. Now he is giving kids the chance to get a look what can possibly be wrong with this why is this considered watered down? If they player can not preform he will not get selected period.
Money Grab!!! JR getting rich off the backs of lacrosse hopefulls. Showtime charges less than 700. This includes room and board as well as about 500$ worth of unbelievable equiptnment! Plus all star games and every major school represented, Added bonus for LI is minimum travel. It's truly a no-brainer!
My understanding is that Maverick is run by former Syracuse guys.
Everyone is bashing Jake Reed, he is doing exactly what he should be doing conforming his camp to the present environment. It is impossible to get a true evaluation of players in the present environment by word of mouth alone. Youth lacrosse is exploding in this country, their are more kids then ever playing lacrosse. They still give out invites to the best players recommended by the most respected coach's in the country without going to Florida. Now he is giving kids the chance to get a look what can possibly be wrong with this why is this considered watered down? If they player can not preform he will not get selected period.
I don't think it is bashing or unfair. JR is a diluted product in an exploded market in terms of youth participation. There is a place for that, and your point is well taken. It is a venue where some 2000 kids can get a good look in the Florida 3d Blue Chip things in the Winter, then 240 kids at JR in the Summer. That is a lot of inventory of kids and you are correct that it is constructive to maximize the possibilities for kids to get looks on the demand side, and for JR and 3d to maximize their rake on the supply side at $700+ a pop.
I think the posters here are making a note of the fact that Maverick and some others are more exclusive in a way JR used to be and is no longer. That isn't really disputable.
My son and I were very satisfied by the quality of training, competition level and the overall way the 3dbluechip was run. My son played well against solid competition, I hope he is selected for JR, but if not it was still a great experience.
No one showcase will make everyone happy. I recommend talking with the Club/HS coaches and directors to determine which showcase is right for your boy.
With 5 weeks until the start of the HS season, what is your stance on HS JV vs MS Modified for the 2018 class. Your advice and comments from your experience is appreciated.
Of course each district may be different as each district may have stronger programs and better youth programs acting as a feeder systems.
With 5 weeks until the start of the HS season, what is your stance on HS JV vs MS Modified for the 2018 class. Your advice and comments from your experience is appreciated.
Of course each district may be different as each district may have stronger programs and better youth programs acting as a feeder systems.
My son played JV last year as an 8th grader. Our town does not have a deep program like other towns, but we are in a competitive geographic area (Section 1). He had a good experience. I use the pronoun he, but I think my comments are applicable to girls.
In deciding whether to allow him to play we considered the following: physical maturity, emotional maturity, lax skill level and coaching.
First he has to pass the NYS physical/maturity tests. Check to see if your town even allows 8th graders to play JV. If he passes the tests it is just one indication of his physical maturity. You have to gauge how big he is compared to those he will be playing against. A relatively small boy might be able to pass the tests but his relative size might put him at risk come play time. That's your judgement call. Is he willing to go up against older/bigger kids? If he shrinks from a more physical game you may want him at the MS level where he can work on his confidence.
Because our town does not have a deep program my son had been playing with older kids all along - our town teams were historically drawn from two classes like a 7/8th grade team. So he already knew kids who would be playing on the JV team. More importantly, we as parents knew the boys and their parents, so we felt comfortable with him being around the older kids. You must consider whether you want him to be exposed to what 9th and 10th graders might be talking about and doing: parties/girls/drugs. There is a big leap between 8th and 9th grade and he will be spending a lot of time with older kids at practice and on bus rides. Also, being on the JV team probably means he won't be playing lax with his MS friends. There is a trade off. Its got to be fun for him and being without his MS friends may be a deal breaker (especially if he does not get a lot of playing time - see below).
Are his lacrosse skills good enough? If he is not going to get a decent amount of playing time, he may get discouraged. Did he get a lot of playing time last year? If not, he might not get much as a 8th grader on a JV team. I'd talk to his MS coach from last year. The MS coach should know how his skill level compares to those in the grades above.
On the other hand its likely that the coaching and practices will be much better at the JV level. How is the coaching at each level.
These are some of the things we considered. The list is not exhaustive, but its a start. Good luck.
[quote=Anonymous]I would like to get some opinions. My 2017 son is a very good player with a 3.5 GPA in non-honors classes (for now!) He has serious interest and offers from the following schools. Syracuse(#2 lax, #62 rank).4 of tuition, and Georgetown (not lax ranked,#20 rank) .4 tuition, Maryland (#10 lax, #62 rank), .33 Tuition, UNC (#5 lax rank, #30 rank) .25 of total cost, and Penn State (#11 lax , 37 rank) .5 of total. It is such a big decision, and we are leaning to one, but would like to know if anyone has any words of wisdom in making this choice. Thanks!
Congratulations to your son! Out of curiosity, are there any time limits on these offers?
Congratulations to your son- what a great bunch of schools to have to chose from!
May I ask, what do you think made the difference for your son? Was it his club team, school team, a specific coach going to bat for him, show cases, etc? We have a year or two ahead of us, but am already overwhelmed by all that the kids can do/should do. It seems like your son is a hard worker, both on the field and off. You must be very proud of his efforts.
My son is not a hard worker at school. He does what he needs to do, but does not "love" school. He loves lacrosse. It has made him a better person, the values he has learned will hopefully translate into success in life (hopefully). He plays for a good school and has been doing varsity tournaments since last summer, also Philly showcase. This put him on radar. Did club many years but not last summer. We are proud of him, and wish the best to everyone else going though this process.
Thanks for the insight. My son is a couple of years away from this process, so the information is helpful. Did the coaches begin contacting you after Philly, or did you show interest first?
[quote=Anonymous]I would like to get some opinions. My 2017 son is a very good player with a 3.5 GPA in non-honors classes (for now!) He has serious interest and offers from the following schools. Syracuse(#2 lax, #62 rank).4 of tuition, and Georgetown (not lax ranked,#20 rank) .4 tuition, Maryland (#10 lax, #62 rank), .33 Tuition, UNC (#5 lax rank, #30 rank) .25 of total cost, and Penn State (#11 lax , 37 rank) .5 of total. It is such a big decision, and we are leaning to one, but would like to know if anyone has any words of wisdom in making this choice. Thanks!
Congratulations to your son! Out of curiosity, are there any time limits on these offers?
Congratulations to your son- what a great bunch of schools to have to chose from!
May I ask, what do you think made the difference for your son? Was it his club team, school team, a specific coach going to bat for him, show cases, etc? We have a year or two ahead of us, but am already overwhelmed by all that the kids can do/should do. It seems like your son is a hard worker, both on the field and off. You must be very proud of his efforts.
My son is not a hard worker at school. He does what he needs to do, but does not "love" school. He loves lacrosse. It has made him a better person, the values he has learned will hopefully translate into success in life (hopefully). He plays for a good school and has been doing varsity tournaments since last summer, also Philly showcase. This put him on radar. Did club many years but not last summer. We are proud of him, and wish the best to everyone else going though this process.
Thanks for the insight. My son is a couple of years away from this process, so the information is helpful. Did the coaches begin contacting you after Philly, or did you show interest first?
We began to get interest before Philly, I think that just gave the coaches a second time to see him play with kids his own age. Coaches noticed my son when he played in varsity tournaments last summer/fall. I supposed they saw that he could hold his own playing with kids as much as 4 years older. That's why all the whining you here on this site seems silly. I think playing against older kids actually helped my son. College coaches began to show interest by talking to our HS coach.
[quote=Anonymous]I would like to get some opinions. My 2017 son is a very good player with a 3.5 GPA in non-honors classes (for now!) He has serious interest and offers from the following schools. Syracuse(#2 lax, #62 rank).4 of tuition, and Georgetown (not lax ranked,#20 rank) .4 tuition, Maryland (#10 lax, #62 rank), .33 Tuition, UNC (#5 lax rank, #30 rank) .25 of total cost, and Penn State (#11 lax , 37 rank) .5 of total. It is such a big decision, and we are leaning to one, but would like to know if anyone has any words of wisdom in making this choice. Thanks!
Congratulations to your son! Out of curiosity, are there any time limits on these offers?
Congratulations to your son- what a great bunch of schools to have to chose from!
May I ask, what do you think made the difference for your son? Was it his club team, school team, a specific coach going to bat for him, show cases, etc? We have a year or two ahead of us, but am already overwhelmed by all that the kids can do/should do. It seems like your son is a hard worker, both on the field and off. You must be very proud of his efforts.
My son is not a hard worker at school. He does what he needs to do, but does not "love" school. He loves lacrosse. It has made him a better person, the values he has learned will hopefully translate into success in life (hopefully). He plays for a good school and has been doing varsity tournaments since last summer, also Philly showcase. This put him on radar. Did club many years but not last summer. We are proud of him, and wish the best to everyone else going though this process.
Thanks for the insight. My son is a couple of years away from this process, so the information is helpful. Did the coaches begin contacting you after Philly, or did you show interest first?
We began to get interest before Philly, I think that just gave the coaches a second time to see him play with kids his own age. Coaches noticed my son when he played in varsity tournaments last summer/fall. I supposed they saw that he could hold his own playing with kids as much as 4 years older. That's why all the whining you here on this site seems silly. I think playing against older kids actually helped my son. College coaches began to show interest by talking to our HS coach.
It's great that playing against older kids helped your son. Keep in mind, he and you "chose" to play against older kids. For those that choose to play on age, they should be allowed to do so, without being forced to play against holdbacks and reclass kids. That is not whining. Speaking of whining, you're on here whining about college costs,loans and debt for your kid. Stop whining and pay up. If you can't afford it, have your son go to Nassau. Don't whine about cost and debt, we don't care.
It is every parents "choice" to go to tournaments in MD and PA also. Based on the chatter on this Board, it is clear that everyone knows or recognizes that there are holdbacks and reclass players in those tournaments. So why go? Is it to challenge your child? Is it hoping to beat "older" teams? Stay on LI and play within your own rules. Why continue to go and cry foul? It is your choice as to which team and which tournaments your child plays.
Why not just go to thr best tournaments and forget all this banter over holdbacks. If your LI team comes down and beats my son's MD team that has 7 repeat kids - my son not one of them - then more a power to you. Coaches know your kids' s birth dates. If the coaches want 19 year old freshmen there isn't anything to say. Play the game or go to a school that is less inclined to focus on repeat kids (UNC, UVA). Like Duke and Syracuse. And oh, which teams played for the NCAA title last year again? Bottom line is by the time these kids are 18 or 19, the spread for physical advantage is gone. Maybe Breschi and others will see that soon before too late. UNC has not smelled an NCAA championship in the last five years and won't for the next five. 45 former U-15 studs and one ball.
We began to get interest before Philly, I think that just gave the coaches a second time to see him play with kids his own age. Coaches noticed my son when he played in varsity tournaments last summer/fall. I supposed they saw that he could hold his own playing with kids as much as 4 years older. That's why all the whining you here on this site seems silly. I think playing against older kids actually helped my son. College coaches began to show interest by talking to our HS coach.
"We began to get interest before Philly, I think that just gave the coaches a second time to see him play with kids his own age." So, we are all whiners because we want our sons to play against fair age-based competition, yet it appears the determining factor for the coaches in your son's case was seeing him play against age-based competition.
Basically, your son playing with and against older boys was good practice (hard to argue with that). But, the determination of where he stands was made by a true age comparison.
I believe you just proved our point.
We began to get interest before Philly, I think that just gave the coaches a second time to see him play with kids his own age. Coaches noticed my son when he played in varsity tournaments last summer/fall. I supposed they saw that he could hold his own playing with kids as much as 4 years older. That's why all the whining you here on this site seems silly. I think playing against older kids actually helped my son. College coaches began to show interest by talking to our HS coach.
"We began to get interest before Philly, I think that just gave the coaches a second time to see him play with kids his own age." So, we are all whiners because we want our sons to play against fair age-based competition, yet it appears the determining factor for the coaches in your son's case was seeing him play against age-based competition.
Basically, your son playing with and against older boys was good practice (hard to argue with that). But, the determination of where he stands was made by a true age comparison.
I believe you just proved our point.
Maybe, I'm not really sure what the coaches are looking for. The way I see it, if a kid can only excel against kids his own age, what happens when he gets to college. Will he only be able to play as a senior? If you can step it up as a freshman on varsity, the future will probably be bright!
Another kid just commited. This time a middie from FCA and Calvert Hall to Ohio State. According to Inside Lacrosse, that now makes 32 "public" commits. UNC (8), UVA (7) close to being filled up, John Hopkins has 7, Maryland 4. How many more commits to you think are outr there (meaning actual verbals) that have not gone public yet? 10/20/30? This is happening very quickly, admittedly a decent percentage of the 32 have re-classified into the 2017 class (e.g., were 2016s), but that is still a lot. Nothing slowing this early commit thing down apparently.
Another kid just commited. This time a middie from FCA and Calvert Hall to Ohio State. According to Inside Lacrosse, that now makes 32 "public" commits. UNC (8), UVA (7) close to being filled up, John Hopkins has 7, Maryland 4. How many more commits to you think are outr there (meaning actual verbals) that have not gone public yet? 10/20/30? This is happening very quickly, admittedly a decent percentage of the 32 have re-classified into the 2017 class (e.g., were 2016s), but that is still a lot. Nothing slowing this early commit thing down apparently.
And yes he is a re-class - DOB 4/8/98 - Another Freshman who will be driving to school in 2 months
Another kid just commited. This time a middie from FCA and Calvert Hall to Ohio State. According to Inside Lacrosse, that now makes 32 "public" commits. UNC (8), UVA (7) close to being filled up, John Hopkins has 7, Maryland 4. How many more commits to you think are outr there (meaning actual verbals) that have not gone public yet? 10/20/30? This is happening very quickly, admittedly a decent percentage of the 32 have re-classified into the 2017 class (e.g., were 2016s), but that is still a lot. Nothing slowing this early commit thing down apparently.
And yes he is a re-class - DOB 4/8/98 - Another Freshman who will be driving to school in 2 months
Would you like some cheese with that whine? Good Lord. What will you do when your son plays against HS teams with kids who are 2-3 years older?
Another kid just commited. This time a middie from FCA and Calvert Hall to Ohio State. According to Inside Lacrosse, that now makes 32 "public" commits. UNC (8), UVA (7) close to being filled up, John Hopkins has 7, Maryland 4. How many more commits to you think are outr there (meaning actual verbals) that have not gone public yet? 10/20/30? This is happening very quickly, admittedly a decent percentage of the 32 have re-classified into the 2017 class (e.g., were 2016s), but that is still a lot. Nothing slowing this early commit thing down apparently.
And yes he is a re-class - DOB 4/8/98 - Another Freshman who will be driving to school in 2 months
Would you like some cheese with that whine? Good Lord. What will you do when your son plays against HS teams with kids who are 2-3 years older?
There is a big difference of playing HS lacrosse with kids 2-3 years older when ALL the kids on the field have reached puberty, and a kid's parents reclassing him to play with kids barely hitting puberty to have him (appear) better. Remember when these holdbacks are showcased it's not against varstiy, it's against kids only in the recruiting year. My kid is a true 2017 and plays with varsity aged kids all the time and does well, he will end up where he ends up. If I used the system to our advantage and had him play with the 2018 young boys he would without question dominate. I couldn't do it, and embarrassed by the thought. I would have a very hard time feeling proud of anything he accomplished out of it regardless of the advantages and outcomes. If it is OK for others so be it.
Another kid just commited. This time a middie from FCA and Calvert Hall to Ohio State. According to Inside Lacrosse, that now makes 32 "public" commits. UNC (8), UVA (7) close to being filled up, John Hopkins has 7, Maryland 4. How many more commits to you think are outr there (meaning actual verbals) that have not gone public yet? 10/20/30? This is happening very quickly, admittedly a decent percentage of the 32 have re-classified into the 2017 class (e.g., were 2016s), but that is still a lot. Nothing slowing this early commit thing down apparently.
And yes he is a re-class - DOB 4/8/98 - Another Freshman who will be driving to school in 2 months
Would you like some cheese with that whine? Good Lord. What will you do when your son plays against HS teams with kids who are 2-3 years older?
There is a big difference of playing HS lacrosse with kids 2-3 years older when ALL the kids on the field have reached puberty, and a kid's parents reclassing him to play with kids barely hitting puberty to have him (appear) better. Remember when these holdbacks are showcased it's not against varstiy, it's against kids only in the recruiting year. My kid is a true 2017 and plays with varsity aged kids all the time and does well, he will end up where he ends up. If I used the system to our advantage and had him play with the 2018 young boys he would without question dominate. I couldn't do it, and embarrassed by the thought. I would have a very hard time feeling proud of anything he accomplished out of it regardless of the advantages and outcomes. If it is OK for others so be it.
I applaud you, sir. Bravo! :-) could not have said it better. Integrity is not dead.
Any confirm the rumor that a Team 91 defenseman just committed to the admission process at Penn? Don't know the kid personally but have seen him play. Seems like he works hard and congratulations to him if it is true. This would be the 2nd unconfirmed Penn commit of the 2017 class. The other kid is the Dukes FOGO.
Any confirm the rumor that a Team 91 defenseman just committed to the admission process at Penn? Don't know the kid personally but have seen him play. Seems like he works hard and congratulations to him if it is true. This would be the 2nd unconfirmed Penn commit of the 2017 class. The other kid is the Dukes FOGO.
My nine year old is committed to the admissions process at Penn. Dude, get a life.
Any confirm the rumor that a Team 91 defenseman just committed to the admission process at Penn? Don't know the kid personally but have seen him play. Seems like he works hard and congratulations to him if it is true. This would be the 2nd unconfirmed Penn commit of the 2017 class. The other kid is the Dukes FOGO.
at least we know who the psycho was on this forum talking about the BIG news feb 1.
Any confirm the rumor that a Team 91 defenseman just committed to the admission process at Penn? Don't know the kid personally but have seen him play. Seems like he works hard and congratulations to him if it is true. This would be the 2nd unconfirmed Penn commit of the 2017 class. The other kid is the Dukes FOGO.
Heard the same thing for both boys plus another middie from Dukes.
Another kid just commited. This time a middie from FCA and Calvert Hall to Ohio State. According to Inside Lacrosse, that now makes 32 "public" commits. UNC (8), UVA (7) close to being filled up, John Hopkins has 7, Maryland 4. How many more commits to you think are outr there (meaning actual verbals) that have not gone public yet? 10/20/30? This is happening very quickly, admittedly a decent percentage of the 32 have re-classified into the 2017 class (e.g., were 2016s), but that is still a lot. Nothing slowing this early commit thing down apparently.
And yes he is a re-class - DOB 4/8/98 - Another Freshman who will be driving to school in 2 months
Would you like some cheese with that whine? Good Lord. What will you do when your son plays against HS teams with kids who are 2-3 years older?
There is a big difference of playing HS lacrosse with kids 2-3 years older when ALL the kids on the field have reached puberty, and a kid's parents reclassing him to play with kids barely hitting puberty to have him (appear) better. Remember when these holdbacks are showcased it's not against varstiy, it's against kids only in the recruiting year. My kid is a true 2017 and plays with varsity aged kids all the time and does well, he will end up where he ends up. If I used the system to our advantage and had him play with the 2018 young boys he would without question dominate. I couldn't do it, and embarrassed by the thought. I would have a very hard time feeling proud of anything he accomplished out of it regardless of the advantages and outcomes. If it is OK for others so be it.
I applaud you, sir. Bravo! :-) could not have said it better. Integrity is not dead.
Concur.
Different topic - anyone know much about the Champion's League tournament?
Another kid just commited. This time a middie from FCA and Calvert Hall to Ohio State. According to Inside Lacrosse, that now makes 32 "public" commits. UNC (8), UVA (7) close to being filled up, John Hopkins has 7, Maryland 4. How many more commits to you think are outr there (meaning actual verbals) that have not gone public yet? 10/20/30? This is happening very quickly, admittedly a decent percentage of the 32 have re-classified into the 2017 class (e.g., were 2016s), but that is still a lot. Nothing slowing this early commit thing down apparently.
And yes he is a re-class - DOB 4/8/98 - Another Freshman who will be driving to school in 2 months
Would you like some cheese with that whine? Good Lord. What will you do when your son plays against HS teams with kids who are 2-3 years older?
There is a big difference of playing HS lacrosse with kids 2-3 years older when ALL the kids on the field have reached puberty, and a kid's parents reclassing him to play with kids barely hitting puberty to have him (appear) better. Remember when these holdbacks are showcased it's not against varstiy, it's against kids only in the recruiting year. My kid is a true 2017 and plays with varsity aged kids all the time and does well, he will end up where he ends up. If I used the system to our advantage and had him play with the 2018 young boys he would without question dominate. I couldn't do it, and embarrassed by the thought. I would have a very hard time feeling proud of anything he accomplished out of it regardless of the advantages and outcomes. If it is OK for others so be it.
I applaud you, sir. Bravo! :-) could not have said it better. Integrity is not dead.
Apparently the Breakers goalie from Baltimore that committed
to UVA last week already has his license and drives! That is a joke, no
wonder he looks bigger.
Another kid just commited. This time a middie from FCA and Calvert Hall to Ohio State. According to Inside Lacrosse, that now makes 32 "public" commits. UNC (8), UVA (7) close to being filled up, John Hopkins has 7, Maryland 4. How many more commits to you think are outr there (meaning actual verbals) that have not gone public yet? 10/20/30? This is happening very quickly, admittedly a decent percentage of the 32 have re-classified into the 2017 class (e.g., were 2016s), but that is still a lot. Nothing slowing this early commit thing down apparently.
And yes he is a re-class - DOB 4/8/98 - Another Freshman who will be driving to school in 2 months
Would you like some cheese with that whine? Good Lord. What will you do when your son plays against HS teams with kids who are 2-3 years older?
There is a big difference of playing HS lacrosse with kids 2-3 years older when ALL the kids on the field have reached puberty, and a kid's parents reclassing him to play with kids barely hitting puberty to have him (appear) better. Remember when these holdbacks are showcased it's not against varstiy, it's against kids only in the recruiting year. My kid is a true 2017 and plays with varsity aged kids all the time and does well, he will end up where he ends up. If I used the system to our advantage and had him play with the 2018 young boys he would without question dominate. I couldn't do it, and embarrassed by the thought. I would have a very hard time feeling proud of anything he accomplished out of it regardless of the advantages and outcomes. If it is OK for others so be it.
I applaud you, sir. Bravo! :-) could not have said it better. Integrity is not dead.
Apparently the Breakers goalie from Baltimore that committed
to UVA last week already has his license and drives! That is a joke, no
wonder he looks bigger.
So what. His breakers got lit up against top express teams. Turtles destroyed them every time and Orange did as well. Last time was this fall with a backup orange goalie...
Sounds like someones jealous!
Come on, I wish my kid could drive himself to practice!
Why would this person write, "so what?" ? Does that show anything? So What?! psycho
Uhhh, committing to a great school/ team is good, right? (unless you hate him for it, or are insanely jealous)
UVA is a great school, the goalie is a good player, saw him at a tourney this fall. My point is, he looks great compared to kids 2 years younger than him but pretends he should be playing with these boys..getting into UVA tells me he has some smarts so Mommy and Daddy kept him back to be bigger and stronger than his classmates...we'll see how he compares in 3 years when size and speed catch up.
Why would this person write, "so what?" ? Does that show anything? So What?! psycho
So what pertaining to who cares if he is older. BTW I'm closer to postal than psycho
UVA is a great school, the goalie is a good player, saw him at a tourney this fall. My point is, he looks great compared to kids 2 years younger than him but pretends he should be playing with these boys..getting into UVA tells me he has some smarts so Mommy and Daddy kept him back to be bigger and stronger than his classmates...we'll see how he compares in 3 years when size and speed catch up.
God, you are obsessed.
UVA is a great school, the goalie is a good player, saw him at a tourney this fall. My point is, he looks great compared to kids 2 years younger than him but pretends he should be playing with these boys..getting into UVA tells me he has some smarts so Mommy and Daddy kept him back to be bigger and stronger than his classmates...we'll see how he compares in 3 years when size and speed catch up.
Good player and good kid. Do you realize you are anonymously trashing a kid here?
UVA is a great school, the goalie is a good player, saw him at a tourney this fall. My point is, he looks great compared to kids 2 years younger than him but pretends he should be playing with these boys..getting into UVA tells me he has some smarts so Mommy and Daddy kept him back to be bigger and stronger than his classmates...we'll see how he compares in 3 years when size and speed catch up.
If at first you can't succeed, play down, play down, play down. Disgusting. People want to congratulate this kid?? What's wrong with our sport? Of course these disgraceful coaches reward the behavior. Ask the kids that bust their butts, train, lift and play on age about what they think of this? Ask them if they think it's cheating them? Let's see... My kid is 6-1 175 and just an ok player... I've got it! Put him with kids 18-24 months younger and lets see if he stands out. The most insane thing ever... Once again, show me another CONTACT sport where this is allowed?
Name a contact sport where it does NOT happen.
There seem to be three levels of perspectives with the reclassification issue.
Is it illegal, unethical, immoral?
Illegal, Clearly not.
Unethical? Maybe, depending on whether you consider someone working WITHIN the rules to provide an advantage to their child as unethical. Rules established by US Lacrosse govern. Rules established by regions apply to the regions.
Immoral? Depends on ones moral code, but most likely yes for most people. "Gaming a system" or "working within the rules" are justifications for the actions. That said, however, what of the non athlete parents out there who ask why an athlete can be admitted to a school with lesser grades. Isn't college about academics? If so, why is a 3.0 athlete getting in over my 3.6 drama student? Shouldn't all applicants, athlete and non-athlete be in the same general application pool? So the question is, how is that different that gaining an advantage over another athlete by reclassifying? Isn't the athlete using other criteria to improve their chances for selection over the non athlete? So what is the difference if one athlete gains an advantage over another?
UVA is a great school, the goalie is a good player, saw him at a tourney this fall. My point is, he looks great compared to kids 2 years younger than him but pretends he should be playing with these boys..getting into UVA tells me he has some smarts so Mommy and Daddy kept him back to be bigger and stronger than his classmates...we'll see how he compares in 3 years when size and speed catch up.
If at first you can't succeed, play down, play down, play down. Disgusting. People want to congratulate this kid?? What's wrong with our sport? Of course these disgraceful coaches reward the behavior. Ask the kids that bust their butts, train, lift and play on age about what they think of this? Ask them if they think it's cheating them? Let's see... My kid is 6-1 175 and just an ok player... I've got it! Put him with kids 18-24 months younger and lets see if he stands out. The most insane thing ever... Once again, show me another CONTACT sport where this is allowed?
Kid can play, no doubt there..the age difference is disturbing...obviously someone is willing to take a bet
Name a contact sport where it does NOT happen.
There seem to be three levels of perspectives with the reclassification issue.
Is it illegal, unethical, immoral?
Illegal, Clearly not.
Unethical? Maybe, depending on whether you consider someone working WITHIN the rules to provide an advantage to their child as unethical. Rules established by US Lacrosse govern. Rules established by regions apply to the regions.
Immoral? Depends on ones moral code, but most likely yes for most people. "Gaming a system" or "working within the rules" are justifications for the actions. That said, however, what of the non athlete parents out there who ask why an athlete can be admitted to a school with lesser grades. Isn't college about academics? If so, why is a 3.0 athlete getting in over my 3.6 drama student? Shouldn't all applicants, athlete and non-athlete be in the same general application pool? So the question is, how is that different that gaining an advantage over another athlete by reclassifying? Isn't the athlete using other criteria to improve their chances for selection over the non athlete? So what is the difference if one athlete gains an advantage over another?
As stated numerous times, football, soccer, hockey, etc all require age verification for all events. That's the answer to your first question. To your second question, race, gender and special talents, i.e. music will gain an advantage over the general applicant pool at most premier colleges. When you lay your twisted head down on your pillow at night, think about how you have taught your child that the only way he can get ahead in the world is to game the system. Surely, that won't manifest itself somewhere else in his life, will it? Think about it.
2017's
Leif Johnson, D, Garden City (N.Y.) has committed to the admissions process at Penn. The 6-foot, 180-pound athlete plays club for Team 91, named the overall MVP at the Philly Freshman Showcase and also attending Nike Blue Chip this past summer. He has plans to attend it again as well as Maverik Showtime in July. Johnson strongly considered Yale, Harvard, Duke and Notre Dame.
UVA is a great school, the goalie is a good player, saw him at a tourney this fall. My point is, he looks great compared to kids 2 years younger than him but pretends he should be playing with these boys..getting into UVA tells me he has some smarts so Mommy and Daddy kept him back to be bigger and stronger than his classmates...we'll see how he compares in 3 years when size and speed catch up.
If at first you can't succeed, play down, play down, play down. Disgusting. People want to congratulate this kid?? What's wrong with our sport? Of course these disgraceful coaches reward the behavior. Ask the kids that bust their butts, train, lift and play on age about what they think of this? Ask them if they think it's cheating them? Let's see... My kid is 6-1 175 and just an ok player... I've got it! Put him with kids 18-24 months younger and lets see if he stands out. The most insane thing ever... Once again, show me another CONTACT sport where this is allowed?
Football
Soccer, Hockey, Girls Field Hockey. Happens in every sport in various leagues, school districts etc. More prevalent in the career sports where 8th graders are committing to Nick Saban etc...
Soccer, Hockey, Girls Field Hockey. Happens in every sport in various leagues, school districts etc. More prevalent in the career sports where 8th graders are committing to Nick Saban etc...
Then de committing by 9th and again breaking another promise and their letter of intent in 12th...
Curious what folks think of the pg year. Is it gaming the system like reclassing? My son is a freshman, has been to all the right tournaments, is on one of the best club teams in the nation, but hasn't gotten any interest from colleges. He has several kids on his hs and club teams who have committed already. Athletically, he is equal to these kids, but shooting wise he's slightly behind he a started lacroase a little later than most on his team, An extra year of skill set development might do him well. Thoughts?
Curious what folks think of the pg year. Is it gaming the system like reclassing? My son is a freshman, has been to all the right tournaments, is on one of the best club teams in the nation, but hasn't gotten any interest from colleges. He has several kids on his hs and club teams who have committed already. Athletically, he is equal to these kids, but shooting wise he's slightly behind he a started lacroase a little later than most on his team, An extra year of skill set development might do him well. Thoughts?
Think of it this way : this is a guaranteed fifth year of payments added to your college planning, often with a price tag in the $40,000-$50,000 range.
Therefore, if your son or daughter was to get a 0.25 scholarship at a four year private institution provided that he/she completes a PG year, you have financially "broken even" with your son or daughter now locked into the lacrosse program for four years. Should your child quit lacrosse in those four years, you are guaranteed to be behind in term of finances.
In a world where folks are struggling with massive collegiate debt loads, it is difficult to understand how the lacrosse culture still professes loyalty to the PG concept.
Curious what folks think of the pg year. Is it gaming the system like reclassing? My son is a freshman, has been to all the right tournaments, is on one of the best club teams in the nation, but hasn't gotten any interest from colleges. He has several kids on his hs and club teams who have committed already. Athletically, he is equal to these kids, but shooting wise he's slightly behind he a started lacroase a little later than most on his team, An extra year of skill set development might do him well. Thoughts?
Think of it this way : this is a guaranteed fifth year of payments added to your college planning, often with a price tag in the $40,000-$50,000 range.
Therefore, if your son or daughter was to get a 0.25 scholarship at a four year private institution provided that he/she completes a PG year, you have financially "broken even" with your son or daughter now locked into the lacrosse program for four years. Should your child quit lacrosse in those four years, you are guaranteed to be behind in term of finances.
In a world where folks are struggling with massive collegiate debt loads, it is difficult to understand how the lacrosse culture still professes loyalty to the PG concept.
I agree with that, but aren't there scholarships to the PG schools. I have heard of kids getting a "full ride" to schools like the Deerfield Academy. I also have a question about redshirting. Does the athelete still receive their scholarship money for a redshirt year? Seems great if true. An extra year paid for to get course work done.
If we heard you right your kid is a freshman. Have patience. There are some great schools that do their recruiting later.
If we heard you right your kid is a freshman. Have patience. There are some great schools that do their recruiting later.
What Schools?
Post graduate, a year between HS and college
Curious what folks think of the pg year. Is it gaming the system like reclassing? My son is a freshman, has been to all the right tournaments, is on one of the best club teams in the nation, but hasn't gotten any interest from colleges. He has several kids on his hs and club teams who have committed already. Athletically, he is equal to these kids, but shooting wise he's slightly behind he a started lacroase a little later than most on his team, An extra year of skill set development might do him well. Thoughts?
Think of it this way : this is a guaranteed fifth year of payments added to your college planning, often with a price tag in the $40,000-$50,000 range.
Therefore, if your son or daughter was to get a 0.25 scholarship at a four year private institution provided that he/she completes a PG year, you have financially "broken even" with your son or daughter now locked into the lacrosse program for four years. Should your child quit lacrosse in those four years, you are guaranteed to be behind in term of finances.
In a world where folks are struggling with massive collegiate debt loads, it is difficult to understand how the lacrosse culture still professes loyalty to the PG concept.
I agree with that, but aren't there scholarships to the PG schools. I have heard of kids getting a "full ride" to schools like the Deerfield Academy. I also have a question about redshirting. Does the athelete still receive their scholarship money for a redshirt year? Seems great if true. An extra year paid for to get course work done.
Good question. When I was a D 1 athlete, I was fortunate enough to have a full ride. I did do a redshirt year and it was paid for.
It seems logical that with 5 years to use 4 years of NCAA eligibility; that whatever percentage per year of athletic aid a student is getting should be equivalent during the redshirt year.
Anyone else with current experience would probably have accurate data on this.
A PG year can be beneficial in many ways, but should not be used as a way to hope for better looks from college coaches. If your son has been injured during the sophomore/junior school season or summer tournament games, the PG year can provide the extra time for being seen. From personal experience, the top boarding schools compete for PG student athletes much like college. They know who is being looked at by what colleges and the circumstances surrounding the PG option. It can be because of academics, injury, the position needed for a college team but not in that graduation year, etc...but it is naive to believe you will opt for a PG year and create a higher level of interest that was not there before. It is best to have secured some type of commitment /plan from college coaches you are in contact with as the PG year is not the time to be seen by college coaches. The lax season is far too late in the game for that option in a PG year. ( aside from academic DIII's that many boarding schools feed into) Boarding School lacrosse teams get the benefit of having the stud PG come from their school, but are not in the business of promoting said player for recruitment. If your options are better taking a PG year, then there is no downside. Older, ( not always, often gives some boys the chance to catch up to those held back and all), physically stronger, injury free and all is great, but the benefit of knowing how to manage your time better in a more independent atmosphere, live away from home but still be in a somewhat managed environment and the chance to meet students from all over the world is also a plus for any young man or woman.
I agree with that, but aren't there scholarships to the PG schools. I have heard of kids getting a "full ride" to schools like the Deerfield Academy.
Who do you think is paying for all of these free rides? How many parents do you think are sending their children to Deerfield (or similar) to pick up the tabs of another? These institutions are not sitting on endowments that underpin many colleges. Do not assume that you will have a free year of 13th grade.
I also have a question about redshirting. Does the athelete still receive their scholarship money for a redshirt year? Seems great if true. An extra year paid for to get course work done.
Since we are talking about redshirting, we will assume that your student-athlete has a National Letter of Intent and associated contract in hand. Read that material very carefully. While some colleges will honor the athletic scholarship during the redshirted year, others will pull the scholarship if medically unable to perform. You need to be absolutely sure that you know the terms of the agreement you sign.
I agree with that, but aren't there scholarships to the PG schools. I have heard of kids getting a "full ride" to schools like the Deerfield Academy.
Who do you think is paying for all of these free rides? How many parents do you think are sending their children to Deerfield (or similar) to pick up the tabs of another? These institutions are not sitting on endowments that underpin many colleges. Do not assume that you will have a free year of 13th grade.
I also have a question about redshirting. Does the athelete still receive their scholarship money for a redshirt year? Seems great if true. An extra year paid for to get course work done.
Since we are talking about redshirting, we will assume that your student-athlete has a National Letter of Intent and associated contract in hand. Read that material very carefully. While some colleges will honor the athletic scholarship during the redshirted year, others will pull the scholarship if medically unable to perform. You need to be absolutely sure that you know the terms of the agreement you sign.
I actually would not consider having my son do a PG year. Don't need to. Just stating a fact that these schools offer scholarships to talented athletes. They can then add to their resume of commitments. AS for the redshirt year, that was just a question. I noticed that many athletes do this. I was wondering what happens to the scholarship. Thanks for the info! Not claiming to be an expert, just want to stay informed correctly about options that may lie ahead.
A PG year can be beneficial in many ways, but should not be used as a way to hope for better looks from college coaches. If your son has been injured during the sophomore/junior school season or summer tournament games, the PG year can provide the extra time for being seen. From personal experience, the top boarding schools compete for PG student athletes much like college. They know who is being looked at by what colleges and the circumstances surrounding the PG option. It can be because of academics, injury, the position needed for a college team but not in that graduation year, etc...but it is naive to believe you will opt for a PG year and create a higher level of interest that was not there before. It is best to have secured some type of commitment /plan from college coaches you are in contact with as the PG year is not the time to be seen by college coaches. The lax season is far too late in the game for that option in a PG year. ( aside from academic DIII's that many boarding schools feed into) Boarding School lacrosse teams get the benefit of having the stud PG come from their school, but are not in the business of promoting said player for recruitment. If your options are better taking a PG year, then there is no downside. Older, ( not always, often gives some boys the chance to catch up to those held back and all), physically stronger, injury free and all is great, but the benefit of knowing how to manage your time better in a more independent atmosphere, live away from home but still be in a somewhat managed environment and the chance to meet students from all over the world is also a plus for any young man or woman.
Pannell took a PG year to get out of his of his original commitment. Look how that played out for him!
Curious what folks think of the pg year. Is it gaming the system like reclassing? My son is a freshman, has been to all the right tournaments, is on one of the best club teams in the nation, but hasn't gotten any interest from colleges. He has several kids on his hs and club teams who have committed already. Athletically, he is equal to these kids, but shooting wise he's slightly behind he a started lacroase a little later than most on his team, An extra year of skill set development might do him well. Thoughts?
Think of it this way : this is a guaranteed fifth year of payments added to your college planning, often with a price tag in the $40,000-$50,000 range.
Therefore, if your son or daughter was to get a 0.25 scholarship at a four year private institution provided that he/she completes a PG year, you have financially "broken even" with your son or daughter now locked into the lacrosse program for four years. Should your child quit lacrosse in those four years, you are guaranteed to be behind in term of finances.
In a world where folks are struggling with massive collegiate debt loads, it is difficult to understand how the lacrosse culture still professes loyalty to the PG concept.
I agree with that, but aren't there scholarships to the PG schools. I have heard of kids getting a "full ride" to schools like the Deerfield Academy. I also have a question about redshirting. Does the athelete still receive their scholarship money for a redshirt year? Seems great if true. An extra year paid for to get course work done.
A PG year for athletic purposes is usually only considered after a college commitment is already made. As far as "scholarships" are concerned don't kid yourself. We're not talking about the Harvard endowment here. Thsese schools are in the business of staying viable for the long run and not in the business of charity. There is need-based financial aid available from some of these schools but it is extrememly limited and the criteria is extremely rigid and may be just in the form of loans and not grants although a combination of the two is common if you are awarded anything. That said, you will be lucky to pay only $35-$40k instead of $50-55k per year, not including an additional several thousand dollars for all of the additional expenses of a year living away from home including travel, laundry service, schoool trips, spending money etc...We looked into it and decided it didn't make sense for our family situation, particularly since our son did not have a D1 commitment.
Good question. When I was a D 1 athlete, I was fortunate enough to have a full ride. I did do a redshirt year and it was paid for.
It seems logical that with 5 years to use 4 years of NCAA eligibility; that whatever percentage per year of athletic aid a student is getting should be equivalent during the redshirt year.
Anyone else with current experience would probably have accurate data on this. [/quote]
I would gather a guess you were a revenue sport scholarship athlete. I plainly don't believe that lacrosse coaches would amortize such scarcity (only 12.5 for the team) to tie up money for five years instead of four. Money is just too tight to make it work to give a kid 5 years of money one of which is not on the field. Hence the coaches' love affair with getting families to consider reclassifying or doing a PG year on the parental dime and not their own.
Every BCS football player is on a 5 year ride. The money is there to do it, and that is the difference.
Every BCS football player is on a 5 year ride. The money is there to do it, and that is the difference.
Remember that BCS Football (in NCAA Division I) is a non-equivilency sport. Translated, that means that football scholarships are all or nothing : there are no partial scholarships in football permitted by NCAA guidelines. So, it is a mistake to think about football scholarships in the same way that you would consider soccer or lacrosse scholarships.
The NCAA allows for 85 scholarship positions for a fully funded NCAA Division I team. If a fifth year student has a fourth (or extra) year of eligibility and the football program chooses to scholarship that player for their fifth year, that comes at the cost of an incoming freshman player being on a scholarship or at the cost of a mid-classman being cut.
According to Inside Lacrosse, there are now 38 "public commits" for the 2017 class. My guess is that there are several more that are not yet public. The following clubs now have the most commits so far (I know it is not a race so no comments please): Dukes (5), LI Express - includes Terps Black and Turtles combined (4), Crabs (3), 3D National (3), MaxLax (3), VLC (3). Team 91 has 2 who were both former Turtles. I also realize that many of the Ivy's need to still be under the radar at this point becuase of Academic Index, etc. Not judging, just reporting what is out there in the public domain.
Isn't a scholarship a year to year contract?
Isn't a scholarship a year to year contract?
Yes, in most equivalency sports, athletics scholarships are a year-to-year affair. Reports are starting to emerge (mostly from soccer) of multi-year agreements being used, but those are generally reserved for non-equivalency sports (football, basketball).
Isn't a scholarship a year to year contract?
Yes, in most equivalency sports, athletics scholarships are a year-to-year affair. Reports are starting to emerge (mostly from soccer) of multi-year agreements being used, but those are generally reserved for non-equivalency sports (football, basketball).
In my sons verbal agreement, it was made abundantly clear that it is a four year deal!The only way the scholarship would change would be due to academic failure or not showing up to practice etc. Not based on performance. It was said that the scholarship can only increase if he does really well. I should also point out that at some of the other schools we made visits to, and considered, the scholarship would be revaluated each year.
Isn't a scholarship a year to year contract?
Yes, in most equivalency sports, athletics scholarships are a year-to-year affair. Reports are starting to emerge (mostly from soccer) of multi-year agreements being used, but those are generally reserved for non-equivalency sports (football, basketball).
In my sons verbal agreement, it was made abundantly clear that it is a four year deal!The only way the scholarship would change would be due to academic failure or not showing up to practice etc. Not based on performance. It was said that the scholarship can only increase if he does really well. I should also point out that at some of the other schools we made visits to, and considered, the scholarship would be revaluated each year.
As we stated, multi-year agreements are starting to emerge and are not the rule in equivalency sports, but the exception at this time.
According to Inside Lacrosse, there are now 38 "public commits" for the 2017 class. My guess is that there are several more that are not yet public. The following clubs now have the most commits so far (I know it is not a race so no comments please): Dukes (5), LI Express - includes Terps Black and Turtles combined (4), Crabs (3), 3D National (3), MaxLax (3), VLC (3). Team 91 has 2 who were both former Turtles. I also realize that many of the Ivy's need to still be under the radar at this point becuase of Academic Index, etc. Not judging, just reporting what is out there in the public domain.
Realistically, probably 50 something commits out there. Very fast pace and not slowing down.
According to Inside Lacrosse, there are now 38 "public commits" for the 2017 class. My guess is that there are several more that are not yet public. The following clubs now have the most commits so far (I know it is not a race so no comments please): Dukes (5), LI Express - includes Terps Black and Turtles combined (4), Crabs (3), 3D National (3), MaxLax (3), VLC (3). Team 91 has 2 who were both former Turtles. I also realize that many of the Ivy's need to still be under the radar at this point becuase of Academic Index, etc. Not judging, just reporting what is out there in the public domain.
Who cares if they were former Turtles, they committed playing for 91! Strange that you would point that out. The real question is why did they leave the Turtles ??
According to Inside Lacrosse, there are now 38 "public commits" for the 2017 class. My guess is that there are several more that are not yet public. The following clubs now have the most commits so far (I know it is not a race so no comments please): Dukes (5), LI Express - includes Terps Black and Turtles combined (4), Crabs (3), 3D National (3), MaxLax (3), VLC (3). Team 91 has 2 who were both former Turtles. I also realize that many of the Ivy's need to still be under the radar at this point becuase of Academic Index, etc. Not judging, just reporting what is out there in the public domain.
Who cares if they were former Turtles, they committed playing for 91! Strange that you would point that out. The real question is why did they leave the Turtles ??
Apparently hit a nerve, wasn't trying to.
As a parent of a younger boy I am less interested about why they left and more interested in which club they were with during their developmental years. If there is commonality between u11/u13 teams and eventual d1 commitment that is valuable information.
As a parent of a younger boy I am less interested about why they left and more interested in which club they were with during their developmental years. If there is commonality between u11/u13 teams and eventual d1 commitment that is valuable information.
Or maybe the Turtles held them back, and they were noticed when they were actually aloud to play at true potential!
Reality is the attackman from CSH was going to get his even if he played for Average Joe's Gym and the D-man played 1 year with the Turtles he also played 1 year for the Tomahawks.
As a parent of a younger boy I am less interested about why they left and more interested in which club they were with during their developmental years. If there is commonality between u11/u13 teams and eventual d1 commitment that is valuable information.
Or maybe the Turtles held them back, and they were noticed when they were actually aloud to play at true potential!
I'm sure that week on 91 really unlocked it. I'm pretty sure they were both mvp of an individual showcase. makes perfect sense
2 more 2017s off the table today to Penn State, one from Smithtown. 3 yesterday to Maryland, Penn State, Syracuse
Isn't a scholarship a year to year contract?
Yes, in most equivalency sports, athletics scholarships are a year-to-year affair. Reports are starting to emerge (mostly from soccer) of multi-year agreements being used, but those are generally reserved for non-equivalency sports (football, basketball).
In my sons verbal agreement, it was made abundantly clear that it is a four year deal!The only way the scholarship would change would be due to academic failure or not showing up to practice etc. Not based on performance. It was said that the scholarship can only increase if he does really well. I should also point out that at some of the other schools we made visits to, and considered, the scholarship would be revaluated each year.
Does your son need to maintain a certain gpa? If so wouldn't it be considered an academic scholarship? What division is your son playing in? And what school did he decide on? Just curious because it is extremely out of the ordinary for a lax scholarship to commit to a spot for that amount of time.
Isn't a scholarship a year to year contract?
Yes, in most equivalency sports, athletics scholarships are a year-to-year affair. Reports are starting to emerge (mostly from soccer) of multi-year agreements being used, but those are generally reserved for non-equivalency sports (football, basketball).
In my sons verbal agreement, it was made abundantly clear that it is a four year deal!The only way the scholarship would change would be due to academic failure or not showing up to practice etc. Not based on performance. It was said that the scholarship can only increase if he does really well. I should also point out that at some of the other schools we made visits to, and considered, the scholarship would be revaluated each year.
Does your son need to maintain a certain gpa? If so wouldn't it be considered an academic scholarship? What division is your son playing in? And what school did he decide on? Just curious because it is extremely out of the ordinary for a lax scholarship to commit to a spot for that amount of time.
D1 CAA school, Top 20 lax. GPA is minimum for the school, for any student attending, I'm basically saying he can't be flunking out. It is a athletic sholarship.
Wow that's awesome! Must be a good student athlete. I wish him all the success. You don't hear of things like that to often.
Wow that's awesome! Must be a good student athlete. I wish him all the success. You don't hear of things like that to often.
Thank you, he works very hard, and is under much pressure to continue to perform to his reputation, a source of much stress for our family. Success is a two edged sword !
Great point! It sounds like exciting times for your son! And maybe early retirement for you!
The unfortunate fact is ugly jealousy that comes from the most unusual suspects
Any LI teams planning on attending the new recruiting event sponsored by IL this summer? Looks like it could be one of the best, as they are so well connected.
Chaminade Freshman tryouts started yesterday with timed runs, was told by my son and his friends that I picked up and drove home, that some boys are so desperate to make the team they lied about their times. This is what you get at a Catholic school?
Chaminade Freshman tryouts started yesterday with timed runs, was told by my son and his friends that I picked up and drove home, that some boys are so desperate to make the team they lied about their times. This is what you get at a Catholic school?
Seriously? Do you really think that certain aspects of human nature disappear because someone attends Catholic school? Whenever the stakes are high; no matter what, where, and when, then some will game.
Chaminade Freshman tryouts started yesterday with timed runs, was told by my son and his friends that I picked up and drove home, that some boys are so desperate to make the team they lied about their times. This is what you get at a Catholic school?
what are the runs they had to do and what are the times they had to attain?
Chaminade Freshman tryouts started yesterday with timed runs, was told by my son and his friends that I picked up and drove home, that some boys are so desperate to make the team they lied about their times. This is what you get at a Catholic school?
what are the runs they had to do and what are the times they had to attain?
Lying at a Catholic School tryout....that may get you on the team but it isn't getting you past the Pearly Gates! They will forever be banished to fresh/soph
the coaches are there timing.... more bs unbelivable
Chaminade Freshman tryouts started yesterday with timed runs, was told by my son and his friends that I picked up and drove home, that some boys are so desperate to make the team they lied about their times. This is what you get at a Catholic school?
My son told me the same thing, I thought it was a joke. If my son and these other boys picked up on it I would hope the coaches did also.
Coaches wrote down what the players told them. Thats not BS thats fact.
Chaminade Freshman tryouts started yesterday with timed runs, was told by my son and his friends that I picked up and drove home, that some boys are so desperate to make the team they lied about their times. This is what you get at a Catholic school?
Seriously? Do you really think that certain aspects of human nature disappear because someone attends Catholic school? Whenever the stakes are high; no matter what, where, and when, then some will game.
Ita like saying your a good person because you go to church.
My son told me the the same thing. One coach was outside giving the boys their times, they then would give the times to another coach, yes some seem to have given lower times.
Don't the JR slots come out today from blue chip?
As a parent of a younger boy I am less interested about why they left and more interested in which club they were with during their developmental years. If there is commonality between u11/u13 teams and eventual d1 commitment that is valuable information.
Or maybe the Turtles held them back, and they were noticed when they were actually aloud to play at true potential!
allowed... YOU'RE #s are off. Wizard......
As a parent of a younger boy I am less interested about why they left and more interested in which club they were with during their developmental years. If there is commonality between u11/u13 teams and eventual d1 commitment that is valuable information.
Or maybe the Turtles held them back, and they were noticed when they were actually aloud to play at true potential!
allowed... YOU'RE #s are off. Wizard......
What #s?
According to Inside Lacrosse, there are now 38 "public commits" for the 2017 class. My guess is that there are several more that are not yet public. The following clubs now have the most commits so far (I know it is not a race so no comments please): Dukes (5), LI Express - includes Terps Black and Turtles combined (4), Crabs (3), 3D National (3), MaxLax (3), VLC (3). Team 91 has 2 who were both former Turtles. I also realize that many of the Ivy's need to still be under the radar at this point becuase of Academic Index, etc. Not judging, just reporting what is out there in the public domain.
These #s are off. Sorry
According to Inside Lacrosse, there are now 38 "public commits" for the 2017 class. My guess is that there are several more that are not yet public. The following clubs now have the most commits so far (I know it is not a race so no comments please): Dukes (5), LI Express - includes Terps Black and Turtles combined (4), Crabs (3), 3D National (3), MaxLax (3), VLC (3). Team 91 has 2 who were both former Turtles. I also realize that many of the Ivy's need to still be under the radar at this point becuase of Academic Index, etc. Not judging, just reporting what is out there in the public domain.
These #s are off. Sorry
According to Inside Lacrosse, there are now 38 "public commits" for the 2017 class. My guess is that there are several more that are not yet public. The following clubs now have the most commits so far (I know it is not a race so no comments please): Dukes (5), LI Express - includes Terps Black and Turtles combined (4), Crabs (3), 3D National (3), MaxLax (3), VLC (3). Team 91 has 2 who were both former Turtles. I also realize that many of the Ivy's need to still be under the radar at this point becuase of Academic Index, etc. Not judging, just reporting what is out there in the public domain.
These #s are off. Sorry
Uh sorry, no they were not at the time this was posted. Pretty straightforward actually. Go to Inside Lacrosse forums (recruiting forum 2017 commit list), look at public commits for 2017s, look at club web pages or articles about commits and it is very easy to piece together. The # of commits has changed a bit since my original post a few weeks ago (which you are replying to now as if it is wrong?) as there have been more commits. In terms of non-public commits who knows, but the info above is accurate at the time it was posted and again look it up before saying it is wrong. For example, go to the Crabs page and you will see 4 public commits/ Dukes/Big 4 5, etc.
The Chaminade 2017 lax Roster will look like an All Star team...
The Chaminade 2017 lax Roster will look like an All Star team...
uhh, is this a new thing? Chaminade and St. ants look that way every year. St Ants has 18 D1 recruits this year... Nothing new for these two programs.
The Chaminade 2017 lax Roster will look like an All Star team...
Will Chaminade play any 2017s up - either JV or Varsity or all freshman on freshman team no matter what given depth in other grades.
The Chaminade 2017 lax Roster will look like an All Star team...
Who cares?
Yes you have the cheater that repeated 8th grade last year,
Agree...that is wrong. Repeating 8th grade? As a Chaminade graduate I am disappointed in the school for taking a kid who does that.
The Chaminade 2017 lax Roster will look like an All Star team...
Starts Freshman Year: 100+ kids trying out for 40 dedicated frosh spots. And it only gets harder and more competitive from there......
The Chaminade 2017 lax Roster will look like an All Star team...
Starts Freshman Year: 100+ kids trying out for 40 dedicated frosh spots. And it only gets harder and more competitive from there......
I asked this above and didn't get a response. Does Chaminade or St. Anthony's ever take a freshman and move them up to play JV or Varsity or do they all play for the freshman team no matter how good they are because of depth in the older grades or just philosophical reasons that freshman will only play on the freshman team. thanks.
I think you already know the answer
I don't have a kid on the team this year so others can chime in.....but traditionally Chaminade never allowed Freshmen to play up.
The St A's AD explained that on occasion a Frosh will move up to JV or JV player will move up to Varsity. The moves happen after tryouts although cuts are often made with these moves in mind. Never mentioned a Frosh up to Varsity. I got the impression that does not happen. Don't know about Chaminade.
I think you already know the answer
Actually don't. From NJ and know how Delbarton, Mt. Lakes, and Summit do it (typically Freshman only play freshman) but don't know how LI powers have done it. But thanks for the accusation.
I'm curious why no LIExpress team appears to be playing at any of the BLC tournaments this summer? Was there a falling out? Especially sine half the universe seems to be going to the Crabfeast. Seems like they really opened it up this year. Many LIE teams went last year.
I think you already know the answer
Actually don't. From NJ and know how Delbarton, Mt. Lakes, and Summit do it (typically Freshman only play freshman) but don't know how LI powers have done it. But thanks for the accusation.
Folks, if I may. There is not ONE correct policy regarding this, although each year the topic is debated like mad. Is it not hard to fathom that the schools size, talent pool, team roster size, coaches philosophy, etc., may all contribute? Imagine for a moment that there are situations that differ from yours, AND philosophies regarding this as well.
Chaminade traditionally does not believe in moving freshman to JV etc...
1-they don't believe the risk of playing up out weighs the risk of injury against physically more matured varsity players
2- they don't have to
I think you already know the answer
Actually don't. From NJ and know how Delbarton, Mt. Lakes, and Summit do it (typically Freshman only play freshman) but don't know how LI powers have done it. But thanks for the accusation.
Folks, if I may. There is not ONE correct policy regarding this, although each year the topic is debated like mad. Is it not hard to fathom that the schools size, talent pool, team roster size, coaches philosophy, etc., may all contribute? Imagine for a moment that there are situations that differ from yours, AND philosophies regarding this as well.
Stop making sense. There is no room for logic on this forum. It won't be tolerated
[quote=Anonymous]Chaminade traditionally does not believe in moving freshman to JV etc...
1-they don't believe the risk of playing up out weighs the risk of injury against physically more matured varsity players
Makes sense, with boys maturing at different rates, it seems dangerous and perhaps reckless to be moving kids up. These boys will have plenty of time to play at the higher level, what's the point in rushing it and risking injury (mostly so daddy can say little billy is playing up).Looks like Chaminade has found the right formula!
[quote=Anonymous]Chaminade traditionally does not believe in moving freshman to JV etc...
1-they don't believe the risk of playing up out weighs the risk of injury against physically more matured varsity players
Makes sense, with boys maturing at different rates, it seems dangerous and perhaps reckless to be moving kids up. These boys will have plenty of time to play at the higher level, what's the point in rushing it and risking injury (mostly so daddy can say little billy is playing up).Looks like Chaminade has found the right formula!
Makes no sense! If a kid shows he's ready because he outperforms older players during tryouts then he should be brought up. Injuries can happen at any level. Reckless? Please stop it and go play badminton
[quote=Anonymous]Chaminade traditionally does not believe in moving freshman to JV etc...
1-they don't believe the risk of playing up out weighs the risk of injury against physically more matured varsity players
Makes sense, with boys maturing at different rates, it seems dangerous and perhaps reckless to be moving kids up. These boys will have plenty of time to play at the higher level, what's the point in rushing it and risking injury (mostly so daddy can say little billy is playing up).Looks like Chaminade has found the right formula!
It's mostly due to an overwhelming talent pool. I have seen some 10 graders play on Varsity at Chaminade, although very rare.
It is much more prevalent to play up in the publics. A talented, big 8th grader will be moved up to JV or Varsity. Most publics do not have freshmen teams. If the kid has the size and talent, I think it's a great opportunity.
It's mostly due to an overwhelming talent pool. I have seen some 10 graders play on Varsity at Chaminade, although very rare. [/quote]
Final cuts yesterday...certainly some difficult choices and some talented kids left over. gotta feel bad for whoever the last player is that was cut because his rightful spot was taken by someone's daddy who held back an 8th grader last year... tough pill to swallow for a 14 or 15 year old
It's mostly due to an overwhelming talent pool. I have seen some 10 graders play on Varsity at Chaminade, although very rare.
Final cuts yesterday...certainly some difficult choices and some talented kids left over. gotta feel bad for whoever the last player is that was cut because his rightful spot was taken by someone's daddy who held back an 8th grader last year... tough pill to swallow for a 14 or 15 year old [/quote]
My son told me there's a big drop off after the first twenty. And that there are certainty players on the team from favors. It is sad when the last person cut was ousted by a less talented players. And I'm pretty sure there aren't any 16 yr olds on team.
It's mostly due to an overwhelming talent pool. I have seen some 10 graders play on Varsity at Chaminade, although very rare.
Final cuts yesterday...certainly some difficult choices and some talented kids left over. gotta feel bad for whoever the last player is that was cut because his rightful spot was taken by someone's daddy who held back an 8th grader last year... tough pill to swallow for a 14 or 15 year old
My son told me there's a big drop off after the first twenty. And that there are certainty players on the team from favors. It is sad when the last person cut was ousted by a less talented players. And I'm pretty sure there aren't any 16 yr olds on team. [/quote]
It's called life, learn to deal with it...doesn't change when you get older
It's mostly due to an overwhelming talent pool. I have seen some 10 graders play on Varsity at Chaminade, although very rare.
Final cuts yesterday...certainly some difficult choices and some talented kids left over. gotta feel bad for whoever the last player is that was cut because his rightful spot was taken by someone's daddy who held back an 8th grader last year... tough pill to swallow for a 14 or 15 year old [/quote]
Someone was held back in 8th grade???
My son told me there's a big drop off after the first twenty. And that there are certainty players on the team from favors.
I can't understand why parents get involved with the tryout process. They make a call to coach and then run and hide, or deny any involvement. Don't they realize everyone knows the call was made, and jrs on the team because of daddy or mommy's phone call?
There is no drop-off in talent on the team. Coaches seem to have done a very good job on picking the team. It does not seem anyone does not belong, unfortunately with over 100 kids trying out for 35 spots it was bound to happen. Some good players and great kids did not make it. Good luck to all.
What happening at St a's?
What happening at St a's?
Since Chaminade is going to be Soooo strong all the players are running track.
What happening at St a's?
Since Chaminade is going to be Soooo strong all the players are running track.
ST A, will also be very legit. They have one of the best goalies, Dpole/LSM, big mids and great fogo's... don't count them out
How do you know there is "no drop-off" and the "coaches seem to have done a very good job on picking the team?" Were you at the try-outs?
Look at the name's on the roster, if your son has been playing lacrosse since 4th grade all the serious players know the names of the players
Where do you find the rosters ?
What summer tournaments are considered to be the "must go" best tournamants for this age group?
What summer tournaments are considered to be the "must go" best tournamants for this age group?
Depends on what schools he's looking to go to. Find out where those coaches are going to be and target those tourneys.
What summer tournaments are considered to be the "must go" best tournamants for this age group?
A couple I would highlight:
- Crabfeast
- NSCLA Champions Cup or Adrenaline Platinum Cup (same weekened)
- King of the Hill
Individual showcases:
- Maverick Showtime (the best)
- Jake Reed
- Warrior NSCLA Select Showcase
- Adrenaline Black Card
- Nat'l 175
I think you are referring to individual showcases - no? Otherwise how does an individual player get to choose what tourney his team is going to play in at this point? That is a club decision. I was just looking to see how my son's team's tourney schedule ranks.
What summer tournaments are considered to be the "must go" best tournamants for this age group?
A couple I would highlight:
- Crabfeast
- NSCLA Champions Cup or Adrenaline Platinum Cup (same weekened)
- King of the Hill
Individual showcases:
- Maverick Showtime (the best)
- Jake Reed
- Warrior NSCLA Select Showcase
- Adrenaline Black Card
- Nat'l 175
I would add Big 4's Champions League to this as well - Express, Dukes, Sweet Lax, 3d and a few others
I think you are referring to individual showcases - no? Otherwise how does an individual player get to choose what tourney his team is going to play in at this point? That is a club decision. I was just looking to see how my son's team's tourney schedule ranks.
The top 3 mentioned - Crabfeast, NSCLA Cahmpions Cup or Adrenaline Platinum Cup which are the same weekend, and King of the Hill are all team events. I agree with the comment that the Big 4 tournament is good too. Many college coaches will be at these team events plus the individual showcases I outlined.
Another shellback to JHU. The power pipeline for the nepotism inclined I presume.
Have a rising freshman this fall at St. A's. I am curious to hear the tryout numbers for the freshman team this spring. I heard (2nd hand) that Chaminade had over 130 kids.
Another shellback to JHU. The power pipeline for the nepotism inclined I presume.
Going down this weekend when they actually verse real competition! Can't wait to see
Have a rising freshman this fall at St. A's. I am curious to hear the tryout numbers for the freshman team this spring. I heard (2nd hand) that Chaminade had over 130 kids.
The fact that you're admitting spreading rumors make you Sound like an idiot. CHS HAS 106. But why do u care how many there were? Seriously, do you think anyone cares? This is the dumbest forum I've seen and won't waste my time viewing anymore.
...so all I had to do was make a phone call to get my kid on Chaminade??
I'm sure glad the parents of the 70 kids cut didn't read the last post a week ago...
Just curious... Did your son rank himself in the top or bottom 20?
Maybe your son can share his list, in rank order, to all D1 coaches, and save them from a long summer of traveling, and scouting in the searing heat.
We wouldn't think of it...
Are you kidding me??
What kind of psycho follow kids from PAL days, and better yet, expects the rest of us to recognize 14 year old players as house hold names??
St Anthony's will keep much more on the freshman team but playing time is a much different story.
If you your son is concerned about his chances of making the cut at Chaminade... Use the club team as an early indicator.... If he plays, and competes well on the A club tourney teams (express , TB, turtles, outlaws etc) he should be fine. If he is playing B in 8th, he will either need to get bigger, faster or improve his skills to have a real shot.
The level of competition is fierce
I think many of the parents at both StA And Chami know who most of the top players are in their grades (some even a grade above and below). They have played with or against them for a few years now. I don't think that makes anyone psycho.
At this stage and level, I would call a parent that didn't do their homework irresponsible. I could be off base on this part but I also think that which school some of those top players went to factored on the decision of which school their player went to.
I see it now with the current 8th graders now. I have even heard a 6th grade team exploring options to go to a lesser publicized catholic school in Lax so they can over take St A and Chami.
Are you kidding me??
What kind of psycho follow kids from PAL days, and better yet, expects the rest of us to recognize 14 year old players as house hold names??
Have a rising freshman this fall at St. A's. I am curious to hear the tryout numbers for the freshman team this spring. I heard (2nd hand) that Chaminade had over 130 kids.
The fact that you're admitting spreading rumors make you Sound like an idiot. CHS HAS 106. But why do u care how many there were? Seriously, do you think anyone cares? This is the dumbest forum I've seen and won't waste my time viewing anymore.
Wow! Change your Lenten Commitment to stop acting like a arrogant arse when somebody asks a simply question. I am glad my kid chose St. A's
To the guy that "hears of" 6 grade laxers planning to go to a "lesser" known Catholic school over taking chaminade Anthony's.... Do you Hear yourself??
Please impose a personal ban on your posts until these little group of self declared phenoms at least sign up for middle school tryouts... Fair??
Make sure everyone calls their Senator 877-255-9417 TODAY! Tell them not to pass the bill to use public school tax money to fund all the arrogant asses at private school lax programs!
Any opinions on the recruiting value of the following summer team tournaments?
NYLA Showcase, UPLAX Summer Shootout, LEGACY INVITATIONAL, JERSEY SHOOTOUT, YOUNG GUNS SHOOTOUT
Which are the must-do's and which are the ones that are a waste of time?
To the guy that "hears of" 6 grade laxers planning to go to a "lesser" known Catholic school over taking chaminade Anthony's.... Do you Hear yourself??
Please impose a personal ban on your posts until these little group of self declared phenoms at least sign up for middle school tryouts... Fair??
As much as you may not like it, nothing in life is fair, so no ban! Now if you read it again you will probably hear the voice in your head say, "...that is not so far fetched and could be true".
I think many of the parents at both StA And Chami know who most of the top players are in their grades (some even a grade above and below). They have played with or against them for a few years now. I don't think that makes anyone psycho.
At this stage and level, I would call a parent that didn't do their homework irresponsible. I could be off base on this part but I also think that which school some of those top players went to factored on the decision of which school their player went to.
I see it now with the current 8th graders now. I have even heard a 6th grade team exploring options to go to a lesser publicized catholic school in Lax so they can over take St A and Chami.
Are you kidding me??
What kind of psycho follow kids from PAL days, and better yet, expects the rest of us to recognize 14 year old players as house hold names??
Check back with us in 6 years and let us know how the 6th graders made out......knucklehead.
Why not?? If it was not for those "arrogant asses" who send their kids to private school, your taxes would be higher than they are now...
Did Those parents pay same taxes as you- without ANY expense to your school district
It took a few times of repeating it... But, i have to admit it, you were right... It worked
A few observations to share with the board. The Hill played my son's HS team, and was impressive in a win. I watched Hill play two other games against top Baltimore teams, and today I will go watch them beat up on Landon.
Two takeaways from this...
1. Canadians are really good. Better than the Maryland kids and likely better than your LI kids too.
2. The Hill families are working class Canadians who don't and can't send their kids all over the East coast to showcases, prospect days, etc. They don't have a "strategy" to get their kids recruited and they drive from Ontario to Maryland and sleep in their minivans to make it affordable to watch their kids play.
Oh, and there were colleges at these high school games. They came to see Brodie Merrill's Hill boys.
Maybe LI and MD parents should be a bit more focused on being good and not getting noticed. What I notice is this showcase and other US based garbage is not helping these kids be better. Thr Canadians are better and smarter than us and the smart recruiters will figure that out too.
You can't compare the Hill Academy to U.S. High schools, especially public schools. These Hill kids are playing as a team year round at this school. I'm sure tuition is not cheap either, are all these working class kids going on scholarship ? Because if they're not I'm sure tuition is more than the $3000 It usually sets me back for a club season including travel expenses. That could explain why the parents are sleeping in their cars. This is why I don't see why some polls include Hill and prep schools in the rankings. The closest U.S. equivalent would be IMG Academy in Bradenton,Florida. I heard tuition tops $30,000 a year. I will take the $3000.
A few observations to share with the board. The Hill played my son's HS team, and was impressive in a win. I watched Hill play two other games against top Baltimore teams, and today I will go watch them beat up on Landon.
Two takeaways from this...
1. Canadians are really good. Better than the Maryland kids and likely better than your LI kids too.
2. The Hill families are working class Canadians who don't and can't send their kids all over the East coast to showcases, prospect days, etc. They don't have a "strategy" to get their kids recruited and they drive from Ontario to Maryland and sleep in their minivans to make it affordable to watch their kids play.
Oh, and there were colleges at these high school games. They came to see Brodie Merrill's Hill boys.
Maybe LI and MD parents should be a bit more focused on being good and not getting noticed. What I notice is this showcase and other US based garbage is not helping these kids be better. Thr Canadians are better and smarter than us and the smart recruiters will figure that out too.
You do know that the hill is between $30,000-$35,000 a year to attend, right?
Yes. And I know the lacrosse and hockey players go for free. Did I touch a proud LI Daddy nerve?
You can't compare the Hill Academy to U.S. High schools, especially public schools. These Hill kids are playing as a team year round at this school. I'm sure tuition is not cheap either, are all these working class kids going on scholarship ? Because if they're not I'm sure tuition is more than the $3000 It usually sets me back for a club season including travel expenses. That could explain why the parents are sleeping in their cars. This is why I don't see why some polls include Hill and prep schools in the rankings. The closest U.S. equivalent would be IMG Academy in Bradenton,Florida. I heard tuition tops $30,000 a year. I will take the $3000.
Team LI beat Hill Academy this past fall.
wow good win last fall. you also are a non profit right? also your boys only play age based games. did the hill bring a age based team or a grade based team? youiare the best! right?
A few observations to share with the board. The Hill played my son's HS team, and was impressive in a win. I watched Hill play two other games against top Baltimore teams, and today I will go watch them beat up on Landon.
Two takeaways from this...
1. Canadians are really good. Better than the Maryland kids and likely better than your LI kids too.
2. The Hill families are working class Canadians who don't and can't send their kids all over the East coast to showcases, prospect days, etc. They don't have a "strategy" to get their kids recruited and they drive from Ontario to Maryland and sleep in their minivans to make it affordable to watch their kids play.
Oh, and there were colleges at these high school games. They came to see Brodie Merrill's Hill boys.
Maybe LI and MD parents should be a bit more focused on being good and not getting noticed. What I notice is this showcase and other US based garbage is not helping these kids be better. Thr Canadians are better and smarter than us and the smart recruiters will figure that out too.
The Hill is a POST grad academy. Post grad U-18 and a U -16 team as well.
Did your son's HS team lose to a bunch of 19 year old men? Then I'm not impressed. Did they lose to the U-16 team? Then that is interesting.
It shouldn't feel that bad to have your collection of post grad 19yr olds be beaten by the Canadian 19yr olds. They only out gamed the post grad Maryland gamers.
You must have a bad taste in your mouth for putting all of your money into a 19 yr old high school player post grad school and then have drop to your knees to "praise" the Canadians.
wow good win last fall. you also are a non profit right? also your boys only play age based games. did the hill bring a age based team or a grade based team? youiare the best! right?
Actually Team LI is a mixture of 9th though 12th grade boys mostly from Miller Place Mt. Sinai and Comsewogue. the face off kid is from Smithtown East and is a sophomore, won almost all. Goalie is also an amazing sophomore! I don't get your point about age based? Are you trying to put down Team LI where the majority of the players were younger than varsity Hill? You sound like a pathetic loser! I was just stating a fact that Team LI managed to pull off a win against one of the toughest teams in the county. Sad that you are mad about that! You should be happy that born an bred LI kids CAN beat Canadians!
The Hill is a POST grad academy.
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Agreed, the Hill has post grads so, I'm not impressed by them beating a true HS team (even if a few players from MD and LI might be older anyway - reclassified). I would say that the true HS teams also likely have juniors and possibly younger players as well.
I believe that is why many schools don't play postgrads like Brunswick, Tinity Pawling, and the Deerfields. And that is why some polls don't include these pg schools no matter how good the team might be.
Lastly, I wouldn't Rule out there being more than a few working class families on Long Island making significant sacrifices for their kids best opportunities. So I don't think that makes the Hill families that special.
It would be interesting to see how the hill compares academically to some of the better school districts and schools here on LI... And where the grads go to college.
Some predictable "yeah, but..." defensive posts by the LI Daddies who can't handle anything to the positive about someone else.
The Hill team roster likely did have a few 2014s who were postcards. I don't know...I didn't Google research their names to Summer tournaments to get their birth dates because I am not fron Long Island and I don't care. I do think it is reasonable to note to you that according to the game programs the Hill's starting attack are all 10th graders and they do have a few 9th graders fostered. Unlike the MD schools thry don't roster 45. I counted 26 Hill helmets. Approximately 1/3 of their roster are 2014s...held back or not I don't know.
There are valid criticisms of Maryland and I agree with them. My son is in 9th grade and he is 14 turning 15 in the final week of thks lacrosse season. He is in his proper grade, and in the interest of full disclosure his prep classmates who play lacrosse are ALL a year older and two of them are already 16. I concur with this board that the parents who drive this mentality are sissies and are raising sissies. End of my analysis. I don't call it cheating because there is no rule against it but do see it as a pathetic cop out to have your 16 year old out there with 14 year olds to choreograph an advantage. College coaches who fall for this are fools.
I do think it is unfair to pound down on Hill's remarkable Spring swing success this year and just say, well that's a PG school, because that is not correct.
I was told by a Hill parent who does have a PG kid there for one year that it was for academic reasons. Yes, I immediately thought that was B.S...but then I learned that in Canada you cannot go to public school in anything but your calendar year class by law. So even if you are remedial or flunking their system passes you through. The only exceptions are for valid health reasons...a rare instance where a kid was hospitalized for months out of school. Apparently one of the reasons is financial, they don't want to add to school crowding with back booked kids. Thr second reason was they did not want what we have in the US...kids restraining back a year to have an ice hockey advantage. In Canada that would be blasphemy.
If LI kids are so tough, why don't you schedule Hill? I am sure they'd love to play Chaminade and others. What are you so scared of, that a team with a few big bad PGs will beat you? Or the excuses getting harder to spin? A San Francisco team traveled cross country to almost beat Chaminade last year and all you guys could do is make excuses that the game was only close because some of the kids went to Disneyland on Spring Break the week before. Pathetic.
The Hill is a POST grad academy.
Agreed, the Hill has post grads so, I'm not impressed by them beating a true HS team (even if a few players from MD and LI might be older anyway - reclassified). I would say that the true HS teams also likely have juniors and possibly younger players as well.
I believe that is why many schools don't play postgrads like Brunswick, Tinity Pawling, and the Deerfields. And that is why some polls don't include these pg schools no matter how good the team might be.
Lastly, I wouldn't Rule out there being more than a few working class families on Long Island making significant sacrifices for their kids best opportunities. So I don't think that makes the Hill families that special.
It would be interesting to see how the hill compares academically to some of the better school districts and schools here on LI... And where the grads go to college. [/quote]
You are correct that Hill Academy has a PG team, but you are incorrect that this Hill team which came to Maryland had PG players. Look at the Hill Academy website. They have three schoolboy teams. One PG team, one U-18 team and one U-16 team. The team that came to MD for a Spring swing was the U-18 team. Apparently their PG team plays a lot of colleges. This should quiet the conspiracy theories and accuses of cheating with PGs against high schoolers. That should be music to the LI parents' ears in terms of being a purist. As irony has it, Hill played U-18 players against MD schools soaked with repeaters and beat them.
I like that Hill age constrains their teams instead of by grade, which beards the fact that is labored on this thread about the repeat kids being age advantaged.
Some predictable "yeah, but..." defensive posts by the LI Daddies who can't handle anything to the positive about someone else.
The Hill team roster likely did have a few 2014s who were postcards. I don't know...I didn't Google research their names to Summer tournaments to get their birth dates because I am not fron Long Island and I don't care. I do think it is reasonable to note to you that according to the game programs the Hill's starting attack are all 10th graders and they do have a few 9th graders fostered. Unlike the MD schools thry don't roster 45. I counted 26 Hill helmets. Approximately 1/3 of their roster are 2014s...held back or not I don't know.
There are valid criticisms of Maryland and I agree with them. My son is in 9th grade and he is 14 turning 15 in the final week of thks lacrosse season. He is in his proper grade, and in the interest of full disclosure his prep classmates who play lacrosse are ALL a year older and two of them are already 16. I concur with this board that the parents who drive this mentality are sissies and are raising sissies. End of my analysis. I don't call it cheating because there is no rule against it but do see it as a pathetic cop out to have your 16 year old out there with 14 year olds to choreograph an advantage. College coaches who fall for this are fools.
I do think it is unfair to pound down on Hill's remarkable Spring swing success this year and just say, well that's a PG school, because that is not correct.
I was told by a Hill parent who does have a PG kid there for one year that it was for academic reasons. Yes, I immediately thought that was B.S...but then I learned that in Canada you cannot go to public school in anything but your calendar year class by law. So even if you are remedial or flunking their system passes you through. The only exceptions are for valid health reasons...a rare instance where a kid was hospitalized for months out of school. Apparently one of the reasons is financial, they don't want to add to school crowding with back booked kids. Thr second reason was they did not want what we have in the US...kids restraining back a year to have an ice hockey advantage. In Canada that would be blasphemy.
If LI kids are so tough, why don't you schedule Hill? I am sure they'd love to play Chaminade and others. What are you so scared of, that a team with a few big bad PGs will beat you? Or the excuses getting harder to spin? A San Francisco team traveled cross country to almost beat Chaminade last year and all you guys could do is make excuses that the game was only close because some of the kids went to Disneyland on Spring Break the week before. Pathetic.
Chaminade and SA's are scared to play Hill. Hill would destroy both without question just like they did to all teams they played at the SWR tournament past fall.
The Hill has 3 lacrosse teams. The Hill PG team plays a college schedule.
The two Hill HS teams are U18 and U16, and are therefore both age and grade appropriate, and typically younger than the competition on LI and definitely younger than the MD teams.
I suspect the Hill team that lost to Team LI last fall fielded numerous U16 players. That said, it was an amazing showing for Team LI. Everyone else in 2013 lost to the Hill, and in 2012 the Hill beat every team they played in the same tournament by wide (double digit) margins.
And the Hill kids play every game on the road. They live out of a bus and play top 20 national teams in the US consecutively in the same week, and then drive back to Ontario.
At least the top MD prep/HS teams agree to play the Hill U18 team. After the 2012 beat down, all the top LI high schools refused to play the Hill in 2013. Again, much credit to Team LI for stepping up and winning.
Calvert Hall just beat Hill. With all this traveling, when do the Canucks go to school ? Face it, they play all year round and specialize in lacrosse. They essentially are run like a college program. It would be tough for public schools to compete. Let me put it this way-how many public or catholic Canadian high schools are coming down to play field lax? By the way, what subject does Brodie Merrill teach?
Calvert Hall just beat Hill. With all this traveling, when do the Canucks go to school ? Face it, they play all year round and specialize in lacrosse. They essentially are run like a college program. It would be tough for public schools to compete. Let me put it this way-how many public or catholic Canadian high schools are coming down to play field lax? By the way, what subject does Brodie Merrill teach?
And LI kids play lacrosse 3 months a year? Give it a rest. Your kids are 9-12 months a year as well.
And Hill has a two week Spring Break they use to play a bunch of games in the Mid Atlantic. They go to school just as much as your kids do. Stop using excuses.
Interesting, the picture that the first drunk moron wrote from jail. He or she creates a nice scenario of the blue collar working family's child living out of the mini van. Nice, but inaccurate. I think that in Canada, the gov't doesn't so much require schooling, as much as hand out hockey sticks and booze to the kids, then send 'em out to the parking lot to bash each others brains in. Take off, hoser! EH?
The Hill has 3 lacrosse teams. The Hill PG team plays a college schedule.
The two Hill HS teams are U18 and U16, and are therefore both age and grade appropriate, and typically younger than the competition on LI and definitely younger than the MD teams.
I suspect the Hill team that lost to Team LI last fall fielded numerous U16 players. That said, it was an amazing showing for Team LI. Everyone else in 2013 lost to the Hill, and in 2012 the Hill beat every team they played in the same tournament by wide (double digit) margins.
And the Hill kids play every game on the road. They live out of a bus and play top 20 national teams in the US consecutively in the same week, and then drive back to Ontario.
At least the top MD prep/HS teams agree to play the Hill U18 team. After the 2012 beat down, all the top LI high schools refused to play the Hill in 2013. Again, much credit to Team LI for stepping up and winning.
You do understand that a U-18 can have players who have turned 19 on it, yes? And the u-16 can kids who turn 17 that year. Age and grade appropriate. Sure.
And what's with the "lean to" structure of the actual school and folding desks? 30K does not get them much but a bus ride and camping in minivans durning spring break!
At least the hockey, lax and weight room facilities are top notch.
Way to go with the priorities, Hill.
Some predictable "yeah, but..." defensive posts by the LI Daddies who can't handle anything to the positive about someone else.
The Hill team roster likely did have a few 2014s who were postcards. I don't know...I didn't Google research their names to Summer tournaments to get their birth dates because I am not fron Long Island and I don't care. I do think it is reasonable to note to you that according to the game programs the Hill's starting attack are all 10th graders and they do have a few 9th graders fostered. Unlike the MD schools thry don't roster 45. I counted 26 Hill helmets. Approximately 1/3 of their roster are 2014s...held back or not I don't know.
There are valid criticisms of Maryland and I agree with them. My son is in 9th grade and he is 14 turning 15 in the final week of thks lacrosse season. He is in his proper grade, and in the interest of full disclosure his prep classmates who play lacrosse are ALL a year older and two of them are already 16. I concur with this board that the parents who drive this mentality are sissies and are raising sissies. End of my analysis. I don't call it cheating because there is no rule against it but do see it as a pathetic cop out to have your 16 year old out there with 14 year olds to choreograph an advantage. College coaches who fall for this are fools.
I do think it is unfair to pound down on Hill's remarkable Spring swing success this year and just say, well that's a PG school, because that is not correct.
I was told by a Hill parent who does have a PG kid there for one year that it was for academic reasons. Yes, I immediately thought that was B.S...but then I learned that in Canada you cannot go to public school in anything but your calendar year class by law. So even if you are remedial or flunking their system passes you through. The only exceptions are for valid health reasons...a rare instance where a kid was hospitalized for months out of school. Apparently one of the reasons is financial, they don't want to add to school crowding with back booked kids. Thr second reason was they did not want what we have in the US...kids restraining back a year to have an ice hockey advantage. In Canada that would be blasphemy.
If LI kids are so tough, why don't you schedule Hill? I am sure they'd love to play Chaminade and others. What are you so scared of, that a team with a few big bad PGs will beat you? Or the excuses getting harder to spin? A San Francisco team traveled cross country to almost beat Chaminade last year and all you guys could do is make excuses that the game was only close because some of the kids went to Disneyland on Spring Break the week before. Pathetic.
For a person to beat their chest so loudly regarding the "just sayin'" mentality, I find something here ironic. You claim that a team "almost beat" somebody. What deficit is an "almost win"? Would a team comprised of all honest aged kids losing by a few, have "almost beat" your privileged, but not wanting to admit that they are, team?
Some predictable "yeah, but..." defensive posts by the LI Daddies who can't handle anything to the positive about someone else.
The Hill team roster likely did have a few 2014s who were postcards. I don't know...I didn't Google research their names to Summer tournaments to get their birth dates because I am not fron Long Island and I don't care. I do think it is reasonable to note to you that according to the game programs the Hill's starting attack are all 10th graders and they do have a few 9th graders fostered. Unlike the MD schools thry don't roster 45. I counted 26 Hill helmets. Approximately 1/3 of their roster are 2014s...held back or not I don't know.
There are valid criticisms of Maryland and I agree with them. My son is in 9th grade and he is 14 turning 15 in the final week of thks lacrosse season. He is in his proper grade, and in the interest of full disclosure his prep classmates who play lacrosse are ALL a year older and two of them are already 16. I concur with this board that the parents who drive this mentality are sissies and are raising sissies. End of my analysis. I don't call it cheating because there is no rule against it but do see it as a pathetic cop out to have your 16 year old out there with 14 year olds to choreograph an advantage. College coaches who fall for this are fools.
I do think it is unfair to pound down on Hill's remarkable Spring swing success this year and just say, well that's a PG school, because that is not correct.
I was told by a Hill parent who does have a PG kid there for one year that it was for academic reasons. Yes, I immediately thought that was B.S...but then I learned that in Canada you cannot go to public school in anything but your calendar year class by law. So even if you are remedial or flunking their system passes you through. The only exceptions are for valid health reasons...a rare instance where a kid was hospitalized for months out of school. Apparently one of the reasons is financial, they don't want to add to school crowding with back booked kids. Thr second reason was they did not want what we have in the US...kids restraining back a year to have an ice hockey advantage. In Canada that would be blasphemy.
If LI kids are so tough, why don't you schedule Hill? I am sure they'd love to play Chaminade and others. What are you so scared of, that a team with a few big bad PGs will beat you? Or the excuses getting harder to spin? A San Francisco team traveled cross country to almost beat Chaminade last year and all you guys could do is make excuses that the game was only close because some of the kids went to Disneyland on Spring Break the week before. Pathetic.
Chaminade and SA's are scared to play Hill. Hill would destroy both without question just like they did to all teams they played at the SWR tournament past fall.
You are missing teeth, and are covered in ink
Some predictable "yeah, but..." defensive posts by the LI Daddies who can't handle anything to the positive about someone else.
The Hill team roster likely did have a few 2014s who were postcards. I don't know...I didn't Google research their names to Summer tournaments to get their birth dates because I am not fron Long Island and I don't care. I do think it is reasonable to note to you that according to the game programs the Hill's starting attack are all 10th graders and they do have a few 9th graders fostered. Unlike the MD schools thry don't roster 45. I counted 26 Hill helmets. Approximately 1/3 of their roster are 2014s...held back or not I don't know.
There are valid criticisms of Maryland and I agree with them. My son is in 9th grade and he is 14 turning 15 in the final week of thks lacrosse season. He is in his proper grade, and in the interest of full disclosure his prep classmates who play lacrosse are ALL a year older and two of them are already 16. I concur with this board that the parents who drive this mentality are sissies and are raising sissies. End of my analysis. I don't call it cheating because there is no rule against it but do see it as a pathetic cop out to have your 16 year old out there with 14 year olds to choreograph an advantage. College coaches who fall for this are fools.
I do think it is unfair to pound down on Hill's remarkable Spring swing success this year and just say, well that's a PG school, because that is not correct.
I was told by a Hill parent who does have a PG kid there for one year that it was for academic reasons. Yes, I immediately thought that was B.S...but then I learned that in Canada you cannot go to public school in anything but your calendar year class by law. So even if you are remedial or flunking their system passes you through. The only exceptions are for valid health reasons...a rare instance where a kid was hospitalized for months out of school. Apparently one of the reasons is financial, they don't want to add to school crowding with back booked kids. Thr second reason was they did not want what we have in the US...kids restraining back a year to have an ice hockey advantage. In Canada that would be blasphemy.
If LI kids are so tough, why don't you schedule Hill? I am sure they'd love to play Chaminade and others. What are you so scared of, that a team with a few big bad PGs will beat you? Or the excuses getting harder to spin? A San Francisco team traveled cross country to almost beat Chaminade last year and all you guys could do is make excuses that the game was only close because some of the kids went to Disneyland on Spring Break the week before. Pathetic.
Chaminade and SA's are scared to play Hill. Hill would destroy both without question just like they did to all teams they played at the SWR tournament past fall.
You are missing teeth, and are covered in ink
Are you implying that he has an inverse tooth to tattoo ratio? Well then, a mullet can't be out of the question either.
I watched Hill play at SWR this past fall. They were actually a very nice bunch of young men. The were friendly and polite. Even complementary to other teams concerning certain positions. They play with grit and heart, something lacking in many LI players. Why is everyone so negative about this team? They show every year that there is no contest between them and LI HS teams. I admire them for their dedication and accomplishment and you all should be ashamed of yourselves for making excuses for why they are better than your son's team. They just are, get over it!
Yes you did. Please take what you said and LI Daddy's back.
Almost means St. Ignatius fron California stepping off a plane last year and taking Chaminade to the buzzer losing 5-4 after being down 5-1. Chaminade got outplayed and wad lucky. And LI does what it always does...make excuses.
Almost means St. Ignatius fron California stepping off a plane last year and taking Chaminade to the buzzer losing 5-4 after being down 5-1. Chaminade got outplayed and wad lucky. And LI does what it always does...make excuses.
HAHA, thats because that game against Chaminade was your SUPERBOWL!! While Chaminade's, St.Ants's, Manhassett's, GC's, Smithtown's, Cold Spring's, Ward Melville's play a Superbowl level game prob about 4 to 5 times a season! Chaminade playing St. Anthony's 3x a year in itself!
Please slow down and do your homework. Watch any NCAA D1 lacrosse game online or TV, they ALL have tons of NY (most are L.I.), MD & PA players. That will NEVER change. Look at the 2017 & 2016 D1 commits thus far from these areas ALREADY. So everyone from CA, FL, Canada and anywhere else, you might put out a
handful of great players in the game but Northeast players (namely LI) are the the driving force.
Take a look on some of the top recruiting sites and look at the amount of players from LI & Philly area in 2016 compare it to Cali, Colorado or Canada its a MASSIVE difference in the amount of players already committed while west coast, south & Canada have small sprinkles of players committed this early. Not exactly sure but in 2017 class LI & PA might have 6 or 7 D1 verbal commits each, more than everyone else. Northeast controls the game, always have always will.
Lets not even discuss Tewaaraton watch lists for 2014, the TOP guys on that are from LI also!
So what you west coast kids are to baseball/football thats what my LI kids are to lacrosse.
I would add NJ to your list. Inside Lacrosse recently ran a study of which states D1 commits came from, and NJ was pretty high on the list along with NY/PA/MD.
I would add NJ to your list. Inside Lacrosse recently ran a study of which states D1 commits came from, and NJ was pretty high on the list along with NY/PA/MD.
Yes your correct, my mistake. NJ needs to be included.
Almost means St. Ignatius fron California stepping off a plane last year and taking Chaminade to the buzzer losing 5-4 after being down 5-1. Chaminade got outplayed and wad lucky. And LI does what it always does...make excuses.
Future is the same as the present & past in regards to ncaa lacrosse. Below are the numbers for D1 lacrosse verbal commits from current freshman & soph HS classes-
2016-
Canada - 2
Colorado - 1
Cali- 5NJ - 10
TX - 2
NY - 22 ( 9 are from L.I.)PA- 30
MD - 12
2017-
Canada - 0
Colorado - 1
Cali -1 NJ - 1
TX- 3
NY- 9 ( 7 from L.I.)PA - 5
MD - 4
Pretty clear the northeast boys still running stuff.
Almost means St. Ignatius fron California stepping off a plane last year and taking Chaminade to the buzzer losing 5-4 after being down 5-1. Chaminade got outplayed and wad lucky. And LI does what it always does...make excuses.
Future is the same as the present & past in regards to ncaa lacrosse. Below are the numbers for D1 lacrosse verbal commits from current freshman & soph HS classes-
2016-
Canada - 2
Colorado - 1
Cali- 5NJ - 10
TX - 2
NY - 22 ( 9 are from L.I.)PA- 30
MD - 12
2017-
Canada - 0
Colorado - 1
Cali -1 NJ - 1
TX- 3
NY- 9 ( 7 from L.I.)PA - 5
MD - 4
Pretty clear the northeast boys still running stuff.
Buddy, check your numbers again. I think you point is generally correct but you are way off on the # of commits. Looks at Inside Lacrosse/Recruiting Forums/2017 Boys Verbal Commitments and you will see almost 50 commits not the mid 20s you show above. Again your point is generally correct but use the correct numbers.
Almost means St. Ignatius fron California stepping off a plane last year and taking Chaminade to the buzzer losing 5-4 after being down 5-1. Chaminade got outplayed and wad lucky. And LI does what it always does...make excuses.
Future is the same as the present & past in regards to ncaa lacrosse. Below are the numbers for D1 lacrosse verbal commits from current freshman & soph HS classes-
2016-
Canada - 2
Colorado - 1
Cali- 5NJ - 10
TX - 2
NY - 22 ( 9 are from L.I.)PA- 30
MD - 12
2017-
Canada - 0
Colorado - 1
Cali -1 NJ - 1
TX- 3
NY- 9 ( 7 from L.I.)PA - 5
MD - 4
Pretty clear the northeast boys still running stuff.
Buddy, check your numbers again. I think you point is generally correct but you are way off on the # of commits. Looks at Inside Lacrosse/Recruiting Forums/2017 Boys Verbal Commitments and you will see almost 50 commits not the mid 20s you show above. Again your point is generally correct but use the correct numbers.
Yes you are correct but I didn't pull those numbers from IL. And yes there are around 50 2017 commits from what I hear. I pulled a few areas and entered the amounts from Top Lax Recruits. They broke it down by State.
Excuses, excuses. You guys are precious. You think LI and Maryland players are better because more early commits are coming from these two areas? I am from Maryland and I can assure you there are dozens of CA players as good or better than the players here who are committed, including the few already from our team.
All that tells me is the NCAA coaches are still recruiting in a local or regional myopia. I can see that because LI and MD are familiar to them, and they know the type of players they are getting from the established hotbeds. But any NCAA coach who snoozes will lose. There are a lot of terrific players in CA, CO, Texas and Florida. Boys Latin played a very competitive game against a Florida prep school a couple days ago. That never would have happened only 2 years ago.
Give the growth of the game some credit. A kid is not a better lacrosse player because he is in the 516, 917, 301 or 410 area codes. Suspend your vanities and give those guys at SI some credit for stepping off a plane and taking you to the buzzer. All this crap about your excuses that the kids were off on Spring Break the week before and went to Disney, etc. are baloney. Saying it was SI's Super Bowl is baloney too. They laced them up and gave Chaminade all they could take and then some.
You LI guys are all easy to find at the Summer Tournaments. Always excuses when you lose. And you do lose.
Our kids were on vacation, their kids are older, they play year round, our best attackman had the flu...blah, blah, blah...they players on LI are good, it is the fathers that the college coaches have to worry about. My son participated in the Villanova Prospect day this past January. The experience was pleasant. All the parents were in the press box, you could hear a pin drop. No complaining, no excuses.....until one LI father didn't like the effort his son was putting forth nd ran out o the press box to "correct" his son. I am sure the kid was embarrassed and I know the coaches didn't find it amusing. Pipe down and let the boys play
. There are a lot of terrific players in CA, CO, Texas and Florida. Boys Latin played a very competitive game against a Florida prep school a couple days ago. That never would have happened only 2 years ago.
Give the growth of the game some credit.
And while we are giving credit; why don't YOU give credit where it is due? Just where do you think all of the coaches come from who are now producing those terrific players in CA,CO,TX.FLA?
Did you get the answer yet?? Do your homework and then pay homage to the Mecca of LAX. None of those places would have LAX without those transplants.
Ingrate.
Excuses, excuses. You guys are precious. You think LI and Maryland players are better because more early commits are coming from these two areas? I am from Maryland and I can assure you there are dozens of CA players as good or better than the players here who are committed, including the few already from our team.
All that tells me is the NCAA coaches are still recruiting in a local or regional myopia. I can see that because LI and MD are familiar to them, and they know the type of players they are getting from the established hotbeds. But any NCAA coach who snoozes will lose. There are a lot of terrific players in CA, CO, Texas and Florida. Boys Latin played a very competitive game against a Florida prep school a couple days ago. That never would have happened only 2 years ago.
Give the growth of the game some credit. A kid is not a better lacrosse player because he is in the 516, 917, 301 or 410 area codes. Suspend your vanities and give those guys at SI some credit for stepping off a plane and taking you to the buzzer. All this crap about your excuses that the kids were off on Spring Break the week before and went to Disney, etc. are baloney. Saying it was SI's Super Bowl is baloney too. They laced them up and gave Chaminade all they could take and then some.
You LI guys are all easy to find at the Summer Tournaments. Always excuses when you lose. And you do lose.
Easy to spot you MD folks also, your the ones that your kids drive you to the tournaments.
Yes, a big reason why lacrosse has come so far so fast is coaches who are from the Atlantic hotbeds have gone out to grow the game. And they are obviously doing a great job and the programs out West are much richer to have them. Again, for lacrosse to be a real sport -- and get the memo, it is not one yet -- this needs to keep happening. Right now there are about as many who play lacrosse as volleyball. I am sure those who care about volleyball are really into it, but the rest of us could not care less. Let's face it...lacrosse is awesome to us, but we are an ESPNU sport. Like women's water polo.
Yes, a big reason why lacrosse has come so far so fast is coaches who are from the Atlantic hotbeds have gone out to grow the game. And they are obviously doing a great job and the programs out West are much richer to have them. Again, for lacrosse to be a real sport -- and get the memo, it is not one yet -- this needs to keep happening. Right now there are about as many who play lacrosse as volleyball. I am sure those who care about volleyball are really into it, but the rest of us could not care less. Let's face it...lacrosse is awesome to us, but we are an ESPNU sport. Like women's water polo.
Haha, so true! Maybe LI should stop pounding their chest and be glad about the spreading of lax throughout the country. I think some parents are threatened that kids outside the hotbeds will be snatching up scholarships from their sons. The truth is that as the sport grows, there will be more scholarships available, as more schools add the program. Maybe we will even make it to a real TV channel!
Yes, a big reason why lacrosse has come so far so fast is coaches who are from the Atlantic hotbeds have gone out to grow the game. And they are obviously doing a great job and the programs out West are much richer to have them. Again, for lacrosse to be a real sport -- and get the memo, it is not one yet -- this needs to keep happening. Right now there are about as many who play lacrosse as volleyball. I am sure those who care about volleyball are really into it, but the rest of us could not care less. Let's face it...lacrosse is awesome to us, but we are an ESPNU sport. Like women's water polo.
Haha, so true! Maybe LI should stop pounding their chest and be glad about the spreading of lax throughout the country. I think some parents are threatened that kids outside the hotbeds will be snatching up scholarships from their sons. The truth is that as the sport grows, there will be more scholarships available, as more schools add the program. Maybe we will even make it to a real TV channel!
Long Island welcomes the new competition. The problem we have is our teams play straight up age and grade appropriate. Always have and always will. The new kids on the block keep bending the rules to have an equal footing. Just can't play fair.
Lets make a deal. Bring your birth certificates to each and every game and tourney and let's see which teams can't take the field secondary to having to play without their cheaters. Fair enough??. Better yet; demand that your teams do so. Take a stand and do the right thing. Lets see if there is even one virtuous bone amongst the herd of cheaters who say Long Island complains. Play our teams straight up or don't play at all.
Yes, a big reason why lacrosse has come so far so fast is coaches who are from the Atlantic hotbeds have gone out to grow the game. And they are obviously doing a great job and the programs out West are much richer to have them. Again, for lacrosse to be a real sport -- and get the memo, it is not one yet -- this needs to keep happening. Right now there are about as many who play lacrosse as volleyball. I am sure those who care about volleyball are really into it, but the rest of us could not care less. Let's face it...lacrosse is awesome to us, but we are an ESPNU sport. Like women's water polo.
Haha, so true! Maybe LI should stop pounding their chest and be glad about the spreading of lax throughout the country. I think some parents are threatened that kids outside the hotbeds will be snatching up scholarships from their sons. The truth is that as the sport grows, there will be more scholarships available, as more schools add the program. Maybe we will even make it to a real TV channel!
I think a deal is in the works to put more games on ESPN 8. "the Ocho"
Easy to spot you MD folks also, your the ones that your kids drive you to the tournaments. [/quote]
Ha! You got us there. Thanks, that is the best laugh I had on an otherwise miserable work day. That is a good one!
Lets make a deal. Bring your birth certificates to each and every game and tourney and let's see which teams can't take the field secondary to having to play without their cheaters. Fair enough??. Better yet; demand that your teams do so. Take a stand and do the right thing. Lets see if there is even one virtuous bone amongst the herd of cheaters who say Long Island complains. Play our teams straight up or don't play at all. [/quote]
Actually, what you wrote is what youth soccer mandated. My daughter plays club down here in MD, and if you don't bring your card with your picture ID with birthdate on it, you can't play. So another sport mandated it. Lacrosse should too. Won't aid your complaint on holding back on school years, but maybe a different sanction would be appropriate. Like no kid can play HS lacrosse past his 19th birthday. In MD you have some kids who were 16 before Spring tryouts. Some of them would not be able to play as juniors or as seniors...and maybe that is fair. I agree it is pretty brazen to put a 16 year old out there in March of 9th grade against 14 year old natural freshman soon to turn 15. I rather doubt the sport of lacrosse is so organized and motivated to do anything about it unfortunately.
Lets make a deal. Bring your birth certificates to each and every game and tourney
Get a life and quit crying.
That only happens with Long Island Dad's??
Then I guess it must be true that college coaches remember to recruit on LI to find that tuff player who fights for ground balls :|
Lets make a deal. Bring your birth certificates to each and every game and tourney
Get a life and quit crying.
Said the dad of a MD/DC/VA cheater holdback reclassified player whose kid couldn't capitalize on the cheating game. (Don't worry; a 20 year old post grad is a very proud achievement!! )
Nope! No crying and am having a great life....especially since my long island 2017 is committed to the top 10 D1 lax school of his choice. Damn near whistling Dixie over here!! I oughtn't be in Maryland! Feel like I got away with some cheating.....but no; it was just good old strong island work ethic and balls to the wall play by an age appropriate player who is making his own way!!! No cheating needed here!
Take notes MD/DC/VA.....your post grad farm system will never surpass the lax DNA our boys have.
Lets make a deal. Bring your birth certificates to each and every game and tourney
Get a life and quit crying.
I like that the [lacrosse]'s ToC required birth certificates. Last summer a team was disqualified from another LI tourney for having older kids as well. I think it may take a few years, and probably instigated by a lawsuit due to injury, but I think we may start seeing more prominent tourneys require birth certificates. The age range may be a bit wider than a grade based tourney, but I don't think it would allow for a full year to two year age gap. I don't think it would be a bad thing. If teams want to compete with older kids on the team, they can just play up.
Lets make a deal. Bring your birth certificates to each and every game and tourney
Get a life and quit crying.
Said the dad of a MD/DC/VA cheater holdback reclassified player whose kid couldn't capitalize on the cheating game. (Don't worry; a 20 year old post grad is a very proud achievement!! )
You guys truly sound like 2-year olds. You should be embarrassed.
Nope! No crying and am having a great life....especially since my long island 2017 is committed to the top 10 D1 lax school of his choice. Damn near whistling Dixie over here!! I oughtn't be in Maryland! Feel like I got away with some cheating.....but no; it was just good old strong island work ethic and balls to the wall play by an age appropriate player who is making his own way!!! No cheating needed here!
Take notes MD/DC/VA.....your post grad farm system will never surpass the lax DNA our boys have.
Learn how to use the quote function already. Any 2 year old can do it.
Lets make a deal. Bring your birth certificates to each and every game and tourney
Get a life and quit crying.
Said the dad of a MD/DC/VA cheater holdback reclassified player whose kid couldn't capitalize on the cheating game. (Don't worry; a 20 year old post grad is a very proud achievement!! )
Nope! No crying and am having a great life....especially since my long island 2017 is committed to the top 10 D1 lax school of his choice. Damn near whistling Dixie over here!! I oughtn't be in Maryland! Feel like I got away with some cheating.....but no; it was just good old strong island work ethic and balls to the wall play by an age appropriate player who is making his own way!!! No cheating needed here!
Take notes MD/DC/VA.....your post grad farm system will never surpass the lax DNA our boys have.
Maybe its NY that is age inappropriate. Who says the "correct" age for any grade should be defined by self-absorbed 'we are the center of everything' New Yorkers?
Lets make a deal. Bring your birth certificates to each and every game and tourney
Get a life and quit crying.
Said the dad of a MD/DC/VA cheater holdback reclassified player whose kid couldn't capitalize on the cheating game. (Don't worry; a 20 year old post grad is a very proud achievement!! )
Nope! No crying and am having a great life....especially since my long island 2017 is committed to the top 10 D1 lax school of his choice. Damn near whistling Dixie over here!! I oughtn't be in Maryland! Feel like I got away with some cheating.....but no; it was just good old strong island work ethic and balls to the wall play by an age appropriate player who is making his own way!!! No cheating needed here!
Take notes MD/DC/VA.....your post grad farm system will never surpass the lax DNA our boys have.
Wrong on every account. My son is not reclassified, we don't live in MD/VA/DC, and his age is not illegal by NY definition or any other definition.
Just laughing at you LI guys and your bizarre obsession.
At 3:45am? Who's the obsessed?
Lets make a deal. Bring your birth certificates to each and every game and tourney
Get a life and quit crying.
Said the dad of a MD/DC/VA cheater holdback reclassified player whose kid couldn't capitalize on the cheating game. (Don't worry; a 20 year old post grad is a very proud achievement!! )
Nope! No crying and am having a great life....especially since my long island 2017 is committed to the top 10 D1 lax school of his choice. Damn near whistling Dixie over here!! I oughtn't be in Maryland! Feel like I got away with some cheating.....but no; it was just good old strong island work ethic and balls to the wall play by an age appropriate player who is making his own way!!! No cheating needed here!
Take notes MD/DC/VA.....your post grad farm system will never surpass the lax DNA our boys have.
Wrong on every account. My son is not reclassified, we don't live in MD/VA/DC, and his age is not illegal by NY definition or any other definition.
Just laughing at you LI guys and your bizarre obsession.
You forgot to add "and not committed"....then the statement would be wrong on all accounts.
Prob should have added in PA; they are catching the PG drift also.
Lets make a deal. Bring your birth certificates to each and every game and tourney
Get a life and quit crying.
Said the dad of a MD/DC/VA cheater holdback reclassified player whose kid couldn't capitalize on the cheating game. (Don't worry; a 20 year old post grad is a very proud achievement!! )
Nope! No crying and am having a great life....especially since my long island 2017 is committed to the top 10 D1 lax school of his choice. Damn near whistling Dixie over here!! I oughtn't be in Maryland! Feel like I got away with some cheating.....but no; it was just good old strong island work ethic and balls to the wall play by an age appropriate player who is making his own way!!! No cheating needed here!
Take notes MD/DC/VA.....your post grad farm system will never surpass the lax DNA our boys have.
Wrong on every account. My son is not reclassified, we don't live in MD/VA/DC, and his age is not illegal by NY definition or any other definition.
Just laughing at you LI guys and your bizarre obsession.
You forgot to add "and not committed"....then the statement would be wrong on all accounts.
Prob should have added in PA; they are catching the PG drift also.
Nope, son is not committed and we don't live in PA, either. You guys provide great entertainment on a daily basis.
Lets make a deal. Bring your birth certificates to each and every game and tourney
Get a life and quit crying.
Said the dad of a MD/DC/VA cheater holdback reclassified player whose kid couldn't capitalize on the cheating game. (Don't worry; a 20 year old post grad is a very proud achievement!! )
Nope! No crying and am having a great life....especially since my long island 2017 is committed to the top 10 D1 lax school of his choice. Damn near whistling Dixie over here!! I oughtn't be in Maryland! Feel like I got away with some cheating.....but no; it was just good old strong island work ethic and balls to the wall play by an age appropriate player who is making his own way!!! No cheating needed here!
Take notes MD/DC/VA.....your post grad farm system will never surpass the lax DNA our boys have.
Wrong on every account. My son is not reclassified, we don't live in MD/VA/DC, and his age is not illegal by NY definition or any other definition.
Just laughing at you LI guys and your bizarre obsession.
You forgot to add "and not committed"....then the statement would be wrong on all accounts.
Prob should have added in PA; they are catching the PG drift also.
Nope, son is not committed and we don't live in PA, either. You guys provide great entertainment on a daily basis.
So which end then, of the bench, does your age appropriate non-ny/md/Dc/va/pa /committed son play on and in which state?(for grins and giggles).
We too, are entertained by the constant attempts to measure up to Long Island lax by upstarts who want to claim superiority.
Please do entertain us more.
If there was any doubt that lacrosse is a blue collar sport in Long Island, these posts eliminate any such doubt.
LOL. The inferiority complex you guys have is amazing.
If there was any doubt that lacrosse is a blue collar sport in Long Island, these posts eliminate any such doubt.
LOL. The inferiority complex you guys have is amazing.
Such an elitist postion you have assumed. Pray tell; from what white collar profession might you be from? Are you here to undermine and belittle the blue collar work ethic that America has been built on and subsequently exploited by those who have presumed to be above such labors? Why use blue collar in a negative connotation other than to elevate yourself to self delusional heights? Is this then the mentality that you project upon your progeny?
Oh, the shame.
Why would you take such a stance? Has Long Island not been the stalwart bastion of the roots of lacrosse that your region lacks? Is your envy so deep such that you would resort to assigning a whole region to what you consider a lesser state of existence?
Your trend of labeling only serves to enlighten those who would even care to take a moments notice that you're most likey incline to be racist as well.
Bravo on revealing your true colors.
Some of the most successful people in this country's history started as "blue collar" workers. And even today some of the wealthiest people in this country are in businesses that started as "blue collar" . In my experience any individual that disparages another group is rarely an individual of means or success. But I am quite certain that your children will grow up to be the same weak minded, insecure individual tha t you have portrayed yourself to be on this blog. Well done!
As an aside, Nassau County has the thirteenth highest median income and Suffolk County has the twenty second highest median income in the United States according to the IRS published data for 2012. There are 3,144 counties in the United States - where do you live????
Are you so simple that you do not realize your OWN handicap? The prior contributor points out that some of the most....started as blue collar. Possibly "ending up" a blue collar working person may not sound so bad to some. I think that we could cite examples of happy / unhappy, rich / poor, etc. This debate has been officially wrung out (in my humble, working class opinion).
Hello, I hope to not become too involved, but some folks just keep different hours. I don't think that the portrait of a psychotic, sitting up while family sleeps, trembling and scratching until drawing blood, may apply to all who enjoy having the house to themselves on occasion. I guess that I'm just trying to show how easy it is to draw attention to your small-mind. Have a pleasant day (or evening, or early morning!)
Lets make a deal. Bring your birth certificates to each and every game and tourney
Get a life and quit crying.
Said the dad of a MD/DC/VA cheater holdback reclassified player whose kid couldn't capitalize on the cheating game. (Don't worry; a 20 year old post grad is a very proud achievement!! )
Nope! No crying and am having a great life....especially since my long island 2017 is committed to the top 10 D1 lax school of his choice. Damn near whistling Dixie over here!! I oughtn't be in Maryland! Feel like I got away with some cheating.....but no; it was just good old strong island work ethic and balls to the wall play by an age appropriate player who is making his own way!!! No cheating needed here!
Take notes MD/DC/VA.....your post grad farm system will never surpass the lax DNA our boys have.
Maybe its NY that is age inappropriate. Who says the "correct" age for any grade should be defined by self-absorbed 'we are the center of everything' New Yorkers?
Yes, that is it. Maybe you are correct. Yep. The right thing to do is to go to Kindergarten, then first, second, and third grade. Following this, we should all enter fourth grade, and having passed this, we do fifth, sixth, and seventh grade. After a wonderful summer, it would be smart to attend eighth grade. Upon completing the school year, our parents will sign us up at a private school to enter eighth grade again. You have shown us all how silly we are for realizing how ignorant New [lacrosse] people truly can be. Imagine, numeric progression being so confusing! Idiots!
I think the white collar parents that enroll their kids in every camp/clinic are just jealous and annoyed that the blue collar kids are getting many of the coveted scholarship s. Sorry that Money does not but innate talent. Try again! Not all of us need to pay to send our kids to st. Anthonys. They will excell because they are that good!
If there was any doubt that lacrosse is a blue collar sport in Long Island, these posts eliminate any such doubt.
LOL. The inferiority complex you guys have is amazing.
Such an elitist postion you have assumed. Pray tell; from what white collar profession might you be from? Are you here to undermine and belittle the blue collar work ethic that America has been built on and subsequently exploited by those who have presumed to be above such labors? Why use blue collar in a negative connotation other than to elevate yourself to self delusional heights? Is this then the mentality that you project upon your progeny?
Oh, the shame.
Why would you take such a stance? Has Long Island not been the stalwart bastion of the roots of lacrosse that your region lacks? Is your envy so deep such that you would resort to assigning a whole region to what you consider a lesser state of existence?
Your trend of labeling only serves to enlighten those who would even care to take a moments notice that you're most likey incline to be racist as well.
Bravo on revealing your true colors.
You take yourself way too seriously.
Does anyone talk about lacrosse anymore??
... Is this a sociology board??
A discussion regarding lacrosse would be a nice change on this site. So sick of hearing daddy wannabes berating each other (and their kids) This is worse than the middle school lunch room. Such generalizations thrown at each other as form of entertainment. Blue collar, white collar, LI, MD...you all sound like a bunch of imbeciles. Lets back an intelligent lacrosse discussion, please.
How many 2017 boys have made an impact on their varsity teams.
With all of the early recruiting it would be nice to show that those college coaches know what they are talking about. How many 2017's have made a difference (if even a point) on their school teams.
Next week we should have a good population of the LI teams first few games. I hope we can celebrate some of these boys accomplishments.
I understand a big pool of 2017 talent may go to St A or Chami, and be missing from this list but this will also prove that if your a good player you don't need those two to play and get noticed.
Would be nice to get a Name - school - minutes - Goals - Asst - GB - saves its.
Not asking Sage to do it - maybe those who browse the site.
A discussion regarding lacrosse would be a nice change on this site. So sick of hearing daddy wannabes berating each other (and their kids) This is worse than the middle school lunch room. Such generalizations thrown at each other as form of entertainment. Blue collar, white collar, LI, MD...you all sound like a bunch of imbeciles. Lets back an intelligent lacrosse discussion, please.
I've never seen it on this thread. This thread seemingly consists of parents arguing about which team is the best on LI, or about how every other team is a cheater because their kids must be reclassified kids.
How many 2017 boys have made an impact on their varsity teams.
With all of the early recruiting it would be nice to show that those college coaches know what they are talking about. How many 2017's have made a difference (if even a point) on their school teams.
Next week we should have a good population of the LI teams first few games. I hope we can celebrate some of these boys accomplishments.
I understand a big pool of 2017 talent may go to St A or Chami, and be missing from this list but this will also prove that if your a good player you don't need those two to play and get noticed.
Would be nice to get a Name - school - minutes - Goals - Asst - GB - saves its.
Not asking Sage to do it - maybe those who browse the site.
How those Turtles adapting to the big pond?
If a school is very bad at lacrosse and there is a standout player who wants to go somewhere for lacrosse but won't be recognized because he plays with bad people who make him look bad do you think he should transfer to a catholic school? Really would be helpful to answer.
If a school is very bad at lacrosse and there is a standout player who wants to go somewhere for lacrosse but won't be recognized because he plays with bad people who make him look bad do you think he should transfer to a catholic school? Really would be helpful to answer.
Quite frankly have him play on the strongest travel team possible and attend college prospect camps if 2016 or older. Make sure grades are there first and foremost.
If a school is very bad at lacrosse and there is a standout player who wants to go somewhere for lacrosse but won't be recognized because he plays with bad people who make him look bad do you think he should transfer to a catholic school? Really would be helpful to answer.
I don't think I'm going out on a limb here to take a guess that you are the
"standout player" on a "bad team".
I would recommend you speak with your parents and coach if possible. Are you on a club team? If so ask your coach there as well thes question about transferring. Ask him if he thinks your skills are competitive enough to justify the cost of attending an expensive private school. The upside is that even if you don't playor start om the lacrosse team; you will have a greater chance to get into a great college if you keep a high GPA.
Many on this site would say that if you're a great player; some coach somewhere will find you and your HS coach should also be able to make a few contacts on your behalf. So continue to play your best no matter what. Most importantly; keep your grades as high as possible.
The two major Catholic schools are bursting at the seams with "stand out players"; many of whom wont really get a lot of field time.
You may transfer and fine out that your skills are equal to or less than or even greater than those who are already at the those schools.
Keep playing hard and keep studying even harder and ask your coaches and parent their opinions.
Good luck!
If a school is very bad at lacrosse and there is a standout player who wants to go somewhere for lacrosse but won't be recognized because he plays with bad people who make him look bad do you think he should transfer to a catholic school? Really would be helpful to answer.
What district? Many of the "bad" districts have young commits, probably due to travel team
If a school is very bad at lacrosse and there is a standout player who wants to go somewhere for lacrosse but won't be recognized because he plays with bad people who make him look bad do you think he should transfer to a catholic school? Really would be helpful to answer.
What district? Many of the "bad" districts have young commits, probably due to travel team
If a school is very bad at lacrosse and there is a standout player who wants to go somewhere for lacrosse but won't be recognized because he plays with bad people who make him look bad do you think he should transfer to a catholic school? Really would be helpful to answer.
What district? Many of the "bad" districts have young commits, probably due to travel team
Bad players do not make good players look bad. Yes, it can be frustrating as my child experienced that exact situation. Bad players raise the game of the good player. (Bad, good are your terms). The good players persevere in every single game. It makes them a leader. A warrior. And a faithful teammate, one that doesn't bail in difficult situations. They become feisty and tenacious and a better player for it. And they never, never give up. My child ended up at a top D1 school Andes a leader in his conference on several levels. Also, It was his travel team that got him noticed, not his school. Summer playing on great team was essential.
All Stats are available for viewing on MSG Varsity. Goals, Assists and Saves. You know who the early comits are and where they play.
Lets make a deal. Bring your birth certificates to each and every game and tourney
Get a life and quit crying.
Said the dad of a MD/DC/VA cheater holdback reclassified player whose kid couldn't capitalize on the cheating game. (Don't worry; a 20 year old post grad is a very proud achievement!! )
Nope! No crying and am having a great life....especially since my long island 2017 is committed to the top 10 D1 lax school of his choice. Damn near whistling Dixie over here!! I oughtn't be in Maryland! Feel like I got away with some cheating.....but no; it was just good old strong island work ethic and balls to the wall play by an age appropriate player who is making his own way!!! No cheating needed here!
Take notes MD/DC/VA.....your post grad farm system will never surpass the lax DNA our boys have.
Maybe its NY that is age inappropriate. Who says the "correct" age for any grade should be defined by self-absorbed 'we are the center of everything' New Yorkers?
Yes, that is it. Maybe you are correct. Yep. The right thing to do is to go to Kindergarten, then first, second, and third grade. Following this, we should all enter fourth grade, and having passed this, we do fifth, sixth, and seventh grade. After a wonderful summer, it would be smart to attend eighth grade. Upon completing the school year, our parents will sign us up at a private school to enter eighth grade again. You have shown us all how silly we are for realizing how ignorant New [lacrosse] people truly can be. Imagine, numeric progression being so confusing! Idiots!
Takes one to know one. Pass the hanky!!
All Stats are available for viewing on MSG Varsity. Goals, Assists and Saves. You know who the early comits are and where they play.
How about F/O percentage? Many of the early commits are F/O specialists, how can we find out how they are doing?
If a school is very bad at lacrosse and there is a standout player who wants to go somewhere for lacrosse but won't be recognized because he plays with bad people who make him look bad do you think he should transfer to a catholic school? Really would be helpful to answer.
Don't know about others, but as a general rule Chaminade doesn't accept transfers.
All Stats are available for viewing on MSG Varsity. Goals, Assists and Saves. You know who the early comits are and where they play.
Yes, for the public schools. I guess the 2017's that attend the two Long Island H.S. private power programs are all on the freshmen teams due to the amount of talent in numbers, so no public stats for those players yet. But great job thus far for the freshman doing well on their public schools Varsity programs!
Very True.
I know a few Freshman that seem to be off to a great start to the Varsity season that haven't given a verbal yet. I'm looking at all Fresman playing Varsity.
Goals, assist and saves. No ground balls and defense stats.
When will Duke, G-Town , Notre Dame and Loyola start to ask for verbals.
GTown did to an LSM/D, Duke will make one soon (to a reclassified 2017), ND, in the summer, Loyola, no idea .. but it will be a Baltimore kid first
When will Duke, G-Town , Notre Dame and Loyola start to ask for verbals.
GTown did to an LSM/D, Duke will make one soon (to a reclassified 2017), ND, in the summer, Loyola, no idea .. but it will be a Baltimore kid first
When will Duke, G-Town , Notre Dame and Loyola start to ask for verbals.
Duke has 5 2017's. News will break after final grades
If a school is very bad at lacrosse and there is a standout player who wants to go somewhere for lacrosse but won't be recognized because he plays with bad people who make him look bad do you think he should transfer to a catholic school? Really would be helpful to answer.
What district? Many of the "bad" districts have young commits, probably due to travel team
If a school is very bad at lacrosse and there is a standout player who wants to go somewhere for lacrosse but won't be recognized because he plays with bad people who make him look bad do you think he should transfer to a catholic school? Really would be helpful to answer.
What district? Many of the "bad" districts have young commits, probably due to travel team
Bad players do not make good players look bad. Yes, it can be frustrating as my child experienced that exact situation. Bad players raise the game of the good player. (Bad, good are your terms). The good players persevere in every single game. It makes them a leader. A warrior. And a faithful teammate, one that doesn't bail in difficult situations. They become feisty and tenacious and a better player for it. And they never, never give up. My child ended up at a top D1 school Andes a leader in his conference on several levels. Also, It was his travel team that got him noticed, not his school. Summer playing on great team was essential.
Thank you. Finally, someone with wisdom!
Not true! Kids that can't catch and throw make good players look bad. Fact!
Not true! Kids that can't catch and throw make good players look bad. Fact!
You couldn't be more wrong! You people are obsessed with being on the BEST team surrounded by the BEST players because you think your kid is the BEST! Get off your high horses. How about facing adversity! Stop riding the coat tails and take charge of the hand you were dealt. The previous poster couldn't have said it better. A great player Playing on a lower level team will and does rise above. He will become a leader And better player.
For attack its hard because you can pass it to someone and they get it turned over and then the defense is so bad that the opposing side has the ball most of the game. Yes it is good to play with bad people to become a leader but you can't be the one going through 3 defense-men and no one is doing anything to help you.
For attack its hard because you can pass it to someone and they get it turned over and then the defense is so bad that the opposing side has the ball most of the game. Yes it is good to play with bad people to become a leader but you can't be the one going through 3 defense-men and no one is doing anything to help you.
For all positions it's hard when kids are dropping balls and making wild passes. I would agree if there is a small difference, but when most of the team is not good, and a couple of kids are, they will have a tougher time really showing what they can do.
It HAS to be better to play with higher skilled players. You may cite a rare exception, but an EMO, for example, will NOT benefit young Johnny if 3 of the kids drop the ball. NO WAY, Jose'. Chasing ground balls all day may help your child at ground balls, but the game involves a bit more than that. As for character development, your point is taken. This will build cojones, but not the ENTIRE game or player. When plays go as planned, it is better
Chaminade does not accept transfers no matter what. Never did never will
God , Academics, Sports and clubs. Chaminade way. They mold them from day one
Chaminade does not accept transfers no matter what. Never did never will
God , Academics, Sports and clubs. Chaminade way. They mold them from day one
Yep, take only really smart kids, create a homogenous false environment, and take credit for the success these kids would have had if they stayed in public school. Kids make the school, school has almost zero impact on the kids. Sorry that's the reality. Not like the school is taking C+ students and turning them into A students. Taking A students and making sure they stay A students, that's about it. Which the vast majority would have been had they stayed in public school.
Chaminade does not accept transfers no matter what. Never did never will
God , Academics, Sports and clubs. Chaminade way. They mold them from day one
OMG!!! What arrogance.
That is the Chaminade way. The right way. All you people love to bash Chaminade and there great success with athletics and molding young adults. It is my fealing that all the people who bash Chaminade, cannot afford to send there son to the school. Maybe if you parents would have attended Chaminade, you would have had a better career and earned a greater salary.
That is the Chaminade way. The right way. All you people love to bash Chaminade and there great success with athletics and molding young adults. It is my fealing that all the people who bash Chaminade, cannot afford to send there son to the school. Maybe if you parents would have attended Chaminade, you would have had a better career and earned a greater salary.
This comment is clearly from a Chaminade student. I can tell by the poor writing style. What's the matter, mommy wasn't there to help make sure it was done correctly! Kids chose not to go to Chaminade because they don't want to be around snobs like you!
Chaminade does not accept transfers no matter what. Never did never will
God , Academics, Sports and clubs. Chaminade way. They mold them from day one
Into what [lacrosse]*****?
That is the Chaminade way. The right way. All you people love to bash Chaminade and there great success with athletics and molding young adults. It is my fealing that all the people who bash Chaminade, cannot afford to send there son to the school. Maybe if you parents would have attended Chaminade, you would have had a better career and earned a greater salary.
Its FEELING so now we know your parents could not afford Chaminade
Chaminade does not accept transfers no matter what. Never did never will
God , Academics, Sports and clubs. Chaminade way. They mold them from day one
Into what [lacrosse]*****?
The word Hole is only 4 letters not ***** ,
That is the Chaminade way. The right way. All you people love to bash Chaminade and there great success with athletics and molding young adults. It is my fealing that all the people who bash Chaminade, cannot afford to send there son to the school. Maybe if you parents would have attended Chaminade, you would have had a better career and earned a greater salary.
Its FEELING so now we know your parents could not afford Chaminade
And its "their great success" not "there great success". Awesome job Chaminade.
Always better to play with higher skilled players in any sport as long as you can compete. If you are the best out there all the time you aren't playing against the right kids. The character comes from playing with lesser players at time and what the better player does. Does that player help or does that player criticize and complain?
Chaminade is a great school. It's not the money it costs to go but the involvement of the parent whether that support come in the form of tutors or any other extra. Most private schools only take the good students and when they don't perform pit them on probation then get rid of them if they can't achieve. The same great student with involved parents will rise at public school. It's just a choice. I didn't send my son to catholic school because I went and hated it.
Chaminade does not accept transfers no matter what. Never did never will
God , Academics, Sports and clubs. Chaminade way. They mold them from day one
Into what [lacrosse]*****?
The word Hole is only 4 letters not ***** ,
Actually I did mean [lacrosse]****s! Ha , nice try! (Plural was appropriate)
Shouldn't it of been written
a**holes
I didn't know the word hole was offensive - I think you bleeped the wrong half of the word - LOL
Chaminade does not accept transfers no matter what. Never did never will
God , Academics, Sports and clubs. Chaminade way. They mold them from day one
Into what [lacrosse]*****?
The word Hole is only 4 letters not ***** ,
Actually I did mean [lacrosse]****s! Ha , nice try! (Plural was appropriate)
Not true! Kids that can't catch and throw make good players look bad. Fact!
You couldn't be more wrong! You people are obsessed with being on the BEST team surrounded by the BEST players because you think your kid is the BEST! Get off your high horses. How about facing adversity! Stop riding the coat tails and take charge of the hand you were dealt. The previous poster couldn't have said it better. A great player Playing on a lower level team will and does rise above. He will become a leader And better player.
Yep, in order to become better you should play with weaker players. That is how all kids who are trying to reach the highest level of their sport do it. Olympic hopefuls, kids trying to make it to the NBA, NFL, NHL and Major League Baseball should play with less skilled players in order to improve their own skills. I guess the student who would like to attend Harvard or MIT should take remedial courses.
Pipe down there big guy, you used the passive voice in your third sentence!
Not true! Kids that can't catch and throw make good players look bad. Fact!
You couldn't be more wrong! You people are obsessed with being on the BEST team surrounded by the BEST players because you think your kid is the BEST! Get off your high horses. How about facing adversity! Stop riding the coat tails and take charge of the hand you were dealt. The previous poster couldn't have said it better. A great player Playing on a lower level team will and does rise above. He will become a leader And better player.
Yep, in order to become better you should play with weaker players. That is how all kids who are trying to reach the highest level of their sport do it. Olympic hopefuls, kids trying to make it to the NBA, NFL, NHL and Major League Baseball should play with less skilled players in order to improve their own skills. I guess the student who would like to attend Harvard or MIT should take remedial courses.
Wasn't the post about a stinky school team? Where you're at a school with a bad team? Especially public, where you may not have the luxury to send your child to private or catholic? So what? Sounds like you're a crybaby. Tell your son to work with what he's got. Then go play travel and show the colleges why they should want you!!
Pipe down there big guy, you used the passive voice in your third sentence!
What is there to pipe down about? And what is with the big guy comment? My post was not meant to be passive or aggressive. It was to illustrate how absurd it is to think that you will improve at anything if you are not challenged. An athlete will not reach their potential by competing with or against weaker players. A student will not reach their potential if placed in a class with weaker students.
Sorry if this offends you.
That is the Chaminade way. The right way. All you people love to bash Chaminade and there great success with athletics and molding young adults. It is my fealing that all the people who bash Chaminade, cannot afford to send there son to the school. Maybe if you parents would have attended Chaminade, you would have had a better career and earned a greater salary.
The school which you love so dearly teaches spelling and grammar as well as eloquent writing skills. This is obvious. My public school supports your right to exercise that. Rock on, friend. I love you very much. Now run along, and let your teacher feel you up a bit.
That is the Chaminade way. The right way. All you people love to bash Chaminade and there great success with athletics and molding young adults. It is my fealing that all the people who bash Chaminade, cannot afford to send there son to the school. Maybe if you parents would have attended Chaminade, you would have had a better career and earned a greater salary.
The school which you love so dearly teaches spelling and grammar as well as eloquent writing skills. This is obvious. My public school supports your right to exercise that. Rock on, friend. I love you very much. Now run along, and let your teacher feel you up a bit.
Kind of like your Priest does? Sound's like you like that!
That is the Chaminade way. The right way. All you people love to bash Chaminade and there great success with athletics and molding young adults. It is my fealing that all the people who bash Chaminade, cannot afford to send there son to the school. Maybe if you parents would have attended Chaminade, you would have had a better career and earned a greater salary.
The school which you love so dearly teaches spelling and grammar as well as eloquent writing skills. This is obvious. My public school supports your right to exercise that. Rock on, friend. I love you very much. Now run along, and let your teacher feel you up a bit.
Kind of like your Priest does? Sound's like you like that!
flop
Not like we don't have to pay the same school taxes you do so really we are supporting your kids not the other way around.
Check the papers lately. Seems like more public school teachers are getting caught with the wrong things on their computers or touching the wrong people.
Not like we don't have to pay the same school taxes you do so really we are supporting your kids not the other way around.
Check the papers lately. Seems like more public school teachers are getting caught with the wrong things on their computers or touching the wrong people.
Public schools are exactly that- public. Nothing special about them and anyone and everyone goes there that want to go there. ANYONE! So my point is don't even bother with anyone comparing public with private. You're dealing with idiots if they think people pay $$ for a private education for sub pat education!!
Not like we don't have to pay the same school taxes you do so really we are supporting your kids not the other way around.
Check the papers lately. Seems like more public school teachers are getting caught with the wrong things on their computers or touching the wrong people.
I'm catholic, but you're really not going to try and defend the church's record on that subject? Are you? Honestly, given that record, I would never send my son to an all boys catholic school.
This page has officially hit new lows... The stereo typing is dangerously close to the border of hate.
Back of the Cage- feel free to better direct this "2017 lacrosse" forum
LOL. Instead of endless tirades about teams with supposed "illegal" players, now you guys rail against private schools and Catholics?
Not like we don't have to pay the same school taxes you do so really we are supporting your kids not the other way around.
Check the papers lately. Seems like more public school teachers are getting caught with the wrong things on their computers or touching the wrong people.
I thought this was a lacrosse forum....Can we get back to discussion of the sport and cool it a bit with the Catholic bashing?
I'm catholic, but you're really not going to try and defend the church's record on that subject? Are you? Honestly, given that record, I would never send my son to an all boys catholic school.
Not like we don't have to pay the same school taxes you do so really we are supporting your kids not the other way around.
Check the papers lately. Seems like more public school teachers are getting caught with the wrong things on their computers or touching the wrong people.
I'm catholic, but you're really not going to try and defend the church's record on that subject? Are you? Honestly, given that record, I would never send my son to an all boys catholic school.
I thought this was a lacrosse forum....Can we get back to discussion of the sport and cool it a bit with the Catholic bashing?
Back on topic
How is your 2017 player feeling about the early commitments as of late?
Is there added pressure now to "perform better"?
Back on topic
How is your 2017 player feeling about the early commitments as of late?
Is there added pressure now to "perform better"?
YES!!! Ridiculous. Very hard on the boys, and they are feeling the stress!
Back on topic
How is your 2017 player feeling about the early commitments as of late?
Is there added pressure now to "perform better"?
YES!!! Ridiculous. Very hard on the boys, and they are feeling the stress!
What "boys"?? How can you speak for all the 2017 commits?
Back on topic
How is your 2017 player feeling about the early commitments as of late?
Is there added pressure now to "perform better"?
YES!!! Ridiculous. Very hard on the boys, and they are feeling the stress!
What "boys"?? How can you speak for all the 2017 commits?
Even the Turtle boys aren't "shaking up" anything on their varsity teams! One has a couple goals, F/O star is mediocre at best! So which boys are you suggesting are excelling as freshman, with all the recruiting pressure on?
Public schools are exactly that- public. Nothing special about them and anyone and everyone goes there that want to go there. ANYONE! So my point is don't even bother with anyone comparing public with private. You're dealing with idiots if they think people pay $$ for a private education for sub pat education!!
Ding ding we have a winner! Most Ignorant BOTC Comment Ever. This is a very competitive prize on this forum. Well done.
Back on topic
How is your 2017 player feeling about the early commitments as of late?
Is there added pressure now to "perform better"?
YES!!! Ridiculous. Very hard on the boys, and they are feeling the stress!
What "boys"?? How can you speak for all the 2017 commits?
Read carefully before posting a response.
Back on topic
How is your 2017 player feeling about the early commitments as of late?
Is there added pressure now to "perform better"?
YES!!! Ridiculous. Very hard on the boys, and they are feeling the stress!
What "boys"?? How can you speak for all the 2017 commits?
Read carefully before posting a response.
Sounds like all the LI 2017 commits are doing pretty good for themselves right now in their public or private HS's.
Question: what percentage of kids could commit as 9th graders but hold out for something better? Does that happen or is the practice to grab the first offer? Do kids (and their parents) get swept up in the early commit frenzy and fear available slots get filled the longer they vo without commuting?
Back on topic
How is your 2017 player feeling about the early commitments as of late?
Is there added pressure now to "perform better"?
YES!!! Ridiculous. Very hard on the boys, and they are feeling the stress!
What "boys"?? How can you speak for all the 2017 commits?
Even the Turtle boys aren't "shaking up" anything on their varsity teams! One has a couple goals, F/O star is mediocre at best! So which boys are you suggesting are excelling as freshman, with all the recruiting pressure on?
Might want to check Newsday about that "mediocre FO kid". Turtle boys, current and former are all doing just fine. I will send them your regards.
Back on topic
How is your 2017 player feeling about the early commitments as of late?
Is there added pressure now to "perform better"?
YES!!! Ridiculous. Very hard on the boys, and they are feeling the stress!
What "boys"?? How can you speak for all the 2017 commits?
Even the Turtle boys aren't "shaking up" anything on their varsity teams! One has a couple goals, F/O star is mediocre at best! So which boys are you suggesting are excelling as freshman, with all the recruiting pressure on?
Might want to check Newsday about that "mediocre FO kid". Turtle boys, current and former are all doing just fine. I will send them your regards.
was at that game and saw kid lose four in a row, then go early and not get called! Of course when our guy went early they called that! Newsday couldn't even get a picture of him winning so they have our guy smoking him, wierd, huh? the spin that some people get! They only kid we couln't shut down was #40, temendous player!
This seems to be the first year where these 9th graders are committing in such large numbers.
You only verbal for your dream school, most Coaches respect the verbal and lay off. So many good Players and a lot of great schools. Lots of programs improving.
Might want to check Newsday about that "mediocre FO kid". Turtle boys, current and former are all doing just fine. I will send them your regards. [/quote]
Agreed. I am from MD, not LI, but my understanding is that kids from some schools don't play varsity as freshman. Chaminade is one example I was told of. Basically, I think at this point the only level play evaluation of 2017s is club play. My son starts on his varsity team and has lights out stats. But his team sucks and their schedule is whatever. There are some JV players at MIAA teams who are committed to places like Hop. I don't understand how a high school resume means anything as a freshman to the negative. The fact is a lot of great 2017 players are at prep schools where there are a lot of great players ahead of them in older classes.
I thought the Turtles were without question the best 2017 team I saw. I thought a lot of them merit being high level D1 prospects and think it is silly to propose maybe they are not all that because a few of them run JV at Chaminade. Stupid.
Any committed 2017 player or parent feeling stress over being under pressure to perform better this Spring...well, you're insecure, phony tough, soft and in for a bad ride ahead. I am not a former lacrosse player, but did play D1 in two sports at a Pac 10 school and made All-America in both. Not a humble brag or point about me...this is all on your kids and you.
Committing to a college and then swagging out in your future college shorts and sweatshirts amongst your club or high school teammates, and Twittering about "your team" that you won't be on campus to play on for years is pathetic. I'd whoop my boy back into shape pretty good for trying that one.
Train hard, compete hard, be a good teammate and be a good kid off the field. Oh, and by the way, those are the four things that will make you stand out to the college coaches who recruited you when you arrive. When you arrive, everyone WAS a good recruit, and that won't ever matter for anything ever again.
Stop being such a [lacrosse]. You're from New [lacrosse]. Start acting like it.
Back on topic
How is your 2017 player feeling about the early commitments as of late?
Is there added pressure now to "perform better"?
YES!!! Ridiculous. Very hard on the boys, and they are feeling the stress!
What "boys"?? How can you speak for all the 2017 commits?
Even the Turtle boys aren't "shaking up" anything on their varsity teams! One has a couple goals, F/O star is mediocre at best! So which boys are you suggesting are excelling as freshman, with all the recruiting pressure on?
Might want to check Newsday about that "mediocre FO kid". Turtle boys, current and former are all doing just fine. I will send them your regards.
correct, and the turtle boys aren't the only commits doing well in HS..
Question: what percentage of kids could commit as 9th graders but hold out for something better? Does that happen or is the practice to grab the first offer? Do kids (and their parents) get swept up in the early commit frenzy and fear available slots get filled the longer they vo without commuting?
Who knows. And how do you know these players grab the 1st offer?? Are you assuming they only got 1 offer?? And even if they did take something as a holding spot than good for them. There are not as many spots at the mid to high level D1's as many think, meaning spots where you go early and get money and will play when you get to that college.
Check these out. Doing a nice job:
Fresh Bay Shore A
Fresh HHHW A
Fresh Sayville M
Fresh SE Mid
Fresh Commack M
Fresh Deer Park D
Im sure we have others.
Check these out. Doing a nice job:
Fresh Bay Shore A
Fresh HHHW A
Fresh Sayville M
Fresh SE Mid
Fresh Commack M
Fresh Deer Park D
Im sure we have others.
Commack kid is a stud, gotta be the best fresh F/O on island!
Check these out. Doing a nice job:
Fresh Bay Shore A
Fresh HHHW A
Fresh Sayville M
Fresh SE Mid
Fresh Commack M
Fresh Deer Park D
Im sure we have others.
Good for those boys, I'm sure they will keep doing great. Good thing they are in a public school lacrosse system, otherwise we are looking at freshman team.
2018 parent here. Please advise on fall showcase for next years freshman.
Philly Freshman Showcase
NAT175
Is there a fall Jake Reed or Maverick Showtime event?
Any others that are worth it?
Thank you in advance.
Question: what percentage of kids could commit as 9th graders but hold out for something better? Does that happen or is the practice to grab the first offer? Do kids (and their parents) get swept up in the early commit frenzy and fear available slots get filled the longer they vo without commuting?
Who knows. And how do you know these players grab the 1st offer?? Are you assuming they only got 1 offer?? And even if they did take something as a holding spot than good for them. There are not as many spots at the mid to high level D1's as many think, meaning spots where you go early and get money and will play when you get to that college.
Easy does it.....take a breath and reread the post. It was just a question and not even remotely critical.
HHHW A . Put together a nice start to the season.
2018 parent here. Please advise on fall showcase for next years freshman.
Philly Freshman Showcase
NAT175
Is there a fall Jake Reed or Maverick Showtime event?
Any others that are worth it?
Thank you in advance.
IN order of importance in my opinion:
- Philly Showcase - by far the best and most important
- Nat'l 175 and Jake Reed Fall - even with Jake Reed less important in the Fall than in the summer. In fact, many of the top kids attended Philly Showcase over Jake Reed as they were on the same weekend.
- Everything else
In terms of Fall tournaments, Terrapin Classic was the best attended by college coaches for the 2017s this Fall followed by the Big 4, NSLCA Fall Classic, and 3D in fl$. There may have been others.
How did he do against Se yesterday
Check these out. Doing a nice job:
Fresh Bay Shore A
Fresh HHHW A
Fresh Sayville M
Fresh SE Mid
Fresh Commack M
Fresh Deer Park D
Im sure we have others.
Good for those boys, I'm sure they will keep doing great. Good thing they are in a public school lacrosse system, otherwise we are looking at freshman team.
Combined league record for the teams listed is 8 wins 9 losses. Factor in that Smith E is 3-0. Only Bayshore at 2-1 has a winning league record.
Check these out. Doing a nice job:
Fresh Bay Shore A
Fresh HHHW A
Fresh Sayville M
Fresh SE Mid
Fresh Commack M
Fresh Deer Park D
Im sure we have others.
Commack kid is a stud, gotta be the best fresh F/O on island!
remember....All would be playing on Freshmen teams at St A or Cham.
Check these out. Doing a nice job:
Fresh Bay Shore A
Fresh HHHW A
Fresh Sayville M
Fresh SE Mid
Fresh Commack M
Fresh Deer Park D
Im sure we have others.
Commack kid is a stud, gotta be the best fresh F/O on island!
remember....All would be playing on Freshmen teams at St A or Cham.
Also how many should be in 10th grade or shall I say have a 1998 birth year (not in December).
Check these out. Doing a nice job:
Fresh Bay Shore A
Fresh HHHW A
Fresh Sayville M
Fresh SE Mid
Fresh Commack M
Fresh Deer Park D
Im sure we have others.
Commack kid is a stud, gotta be the best fresh F/O on island!
remember....All would be playing on Freshmen teams at St A or Cham.
Also how many should be in 10th grade or shall I say have a 1998 birth year (not in December).
Doubt many at Sta or Cham are older in the freshman class lacrosse wise. I know of one (maybe two) at Cham. Really aren't many others as far as I know, nice try.
What are you guys going to do when your kids are in college, complain they are playing against some kids who are 21 when they are 18? Toughen up a little.
Dont forget about these:
CSH Fresh- A
Glenn Fresh- D
Glenn Fresh- A
NB Fresh- D
I find it exciting and fun to watch these Boys on Varsiry now and the others in years to come. Most of us have been watching them play since 3rd grade. Reading the box scores and recognizing these players is nice to see.
Back on topic
How is your 2017 player feeling about the early commitments as of late?
Is there added pressure now to "perform better"?
YES!!! Ridiculous. Very hard on the boys, and they are feeling the stress!
What "boys"?? How can you speak for all the 2017 commits?
Even the Turtle boys aren't "shaking up" anything on their varsity teams! One has a couple goals, F/O star is mediocre at best! So which boys are you suggesting are excelling as freshman, with all the recruiting pressure on?
Might want to check Newsday about that "mediocre FO kid". Turtle boys, current and former are all doing just fine. I will send them your regards.
was at that game and saw kid lose four in a row, then go early and not get called! Of course when our guy went early they called that! Newsday couldn't even get a picture of him winning so they have our guy smoking him, wierd, huh? the spin that some people get! They only kid we couln't shut down was #40, temendous player!
That is the most bias article yet! Picture proves it!
I am glad they are playing varsity - its just, don't give them credit for being a freshman. But even if they were a Soph playn varsity its an accomplishment.
What are you guys going to do when your kids are in college, complain they are playing against some kids who are 21 when they are 18? Toughen up a little.
Any committed 2017 player or parent feeling stress over being under pressure to perform better this Spring...well, you're insecure, phony tough, soft and in for a bad ride ahead. I am not a former lacrosse player, but did play D1 in two sports at a Pac 10 school and made All-America in both. Not a humble brag or point about me...this is all on your kids and you.
Committing to a college and then swagging out in your future college shorts and sweatshirts amongst your club or high school teammates, and Twittering about "your team" that you won't be on campus to play on for years is pathetic. I'd whoop my boy back into shape pretty good for trying that one.
Train hard, compete hard, be a good teammate and be a good kid off the field. Oh, and by the way, those are the four things that will make you stand out to the college coaches who recruited you when you arrive. When you arrive, everyone WAS a good recruit, and that won't ever matter for anything ever again.
Stop being such a [lacrosse]. You're from New [lacrosse]. Start acting like it.
Talk about an overinflated know it all. Did you learn any reading comprehension at your PAC 10 school or were you just the ultimate jock?
Read the OP again: it asked if the 2017's in general (not specifically the committed ones) are feeling any pressure as a result of the recent commits in the 2017 class.
Normally these issues would have been encountered in the upper classman years. Being that slots are now going earlier; does then the non committed, high caliber 2017 player feel any added pressures to perform better in order to secure their position at the school(s) of their dreams?
Accurate comments please.
GTown did to an LSM/D, Duke will make one soon (to a reclassified 2017), ND, in the summer, Loyola, no idea .. but it will be a Baltimore kid first
When will Duke, G-Town , Notre Dame and Loyola start to ask for verbals.
What does it mean to reclassify. Doesn't it just mean to repeat a grade in elementary school? To hold a kid back for lacrosse or do people hold their kid back for other sports too? Do high schools like this?
GTown did to an LSM/D, Duke will make one soon (to a reclassified 2017), ND, in the summer, Loyola, no idea .. but it will be a Baltimore kid first
When will Duke, G-Town , Notre Dame and Loyola start to ask for verbals.
What does it mean to reclassify. Doesn't it just mean to repeat a grade in elementary school? To hold a kid back for lacrosse or do people hold their kid back for other sports too? Do high schools like this?
Yes. Yes. Some do.
There's pages and pages on this. Time to catch up.
[quote=Anonymous]I am glad they are playing varsity - its just, don't give them credit for being a freshman. But even if they were a Soph playn varsity its an accomplishment.
Committing as a 9th grader is an accomplishment too I guess. And taking up a roster spot while never seeing the field at that college is an accomplishment too. Many of the LI and MD people will carry the same baggage all the way. There will be an excuse in the future for why you kid can't play at the next level. The reason is LI and MD club owners and parents would like to quarantine the sport, and the eventual outcome is you can't manipulate that at a higher level. D1 coaches have better problems than listen to you whine about how special your son it. That's your club owner's job.
Congratutlations to the only two Freshman named to the boys top 100 list in Newsday
F/O specialist from Commack Kevin Snyder
Attack from CSH Ian Laviano (Plays for team 91)
Awesome accomplishment!
Any committed 2017 player or parent feeling stress over being under pressure to perform better this Spring...well, you're insecure, phony tough, soft and in for a bad ride ahead. I am not a former lacrosse player, but did play D1 in two sports at a Pac 10 school and made All-America in both. Not a humble brag or point about me...this is all on your kids and you.
Committing to a college and then swagging out in your future college shorts and sweatshirts amongst your club or high school teammates, and Twittering about "your team" that you won't be on campus to play on for years is pathetic. I'd whoop my boy back into shape pretty good for trying that one.
Train hard, compete hard, be a good teammate and be a good kid off the field. Oh, and by the way, those are the four things that will make you stand out to the college coaches who recruited you when you arrive. When you arrive, everyone WAS a good recruit, and that won't ever matter for anything ever again.
Stop being such a [lacrosse]. You're from New [lacrosse]. Start acting like it.
Talk about an overinflated know it all. Did you learn any reading comprehension at your PAC 10 school or were you just the ultimate jock?
Read the OP again: it asked if the 2017's in general (not specifically the committed ones) are feeling any pressure as a result of the recent commits in the 2017 class.
Normally these issues would have been encountered in the upper classman years. Being that slots are now going earlier; does then the non committed, high caliber 2017 player feel any added pressures to perform better in order to secure their position at the school(s) of their dreams?
Accurate comments please.
yes
Congratutlations to the only two Freshman named to the boys top 100 list in Newsday
F/O specialist from Commack Kevin Snyder
Attack from CSH Ian Laviano (Plays for team 91)
Awesome accomplishment!
Laviano plays for 91 now but was a Turtle for since they started until this year.
Congratutlations to the only two Freshman named to the boys top 100 list in Newsday
F/O specialist from Commack Kevin Snyder
Attack from CSH Ian Laviano (Plays for team 91)
Awesome accomplishment!
Laviano plays for 91 now but was a Turtle for since they started until this year.
Who cares? He left because Turtles were holding him back, He really started to get noticed AFTER he left!
Who cares? He left because Turtles were holding him back, He really started to get noticed AFTER he left!
That's ridiculous he was the MVP of most high profile tournaments that he played with the Turtles including DICKS. He got noticed for his amazing skill while playing for the Turtles.
Congratutlations to the only two Freshman named to the boys top 100 list in Newsday
F/O specialist from Commack Kevin Snyder
Attack from CSH Ian Laviano (Plays for team 91)
Awesome accomplishment!
Actually they were teamates in forth grade with the Express. Now they are both with other programs
Who cares? He left because Turtles were holding him back, He really started to get noticed AFTER he left!
That's ridiculous he was the MVP of most high profile tournaments that he played with the Turtles including DICKS. He got noticed for his amazing skill while playing for the Turtles.
Why are you so angry Turtle daddy? Truth is, he was showing up the less skilled players, so he went where he would be appreciated. Stop trying to take credit for Ian, he's gone, worry about the rest of your team!
[quote=Anonymous]
Who cares? He left because Turtles were holding him back, He really started to get noticed AFTER he left!
That's ridiculous he was the MVP of most high profile tournaments that he played with the Turtles including DICKS. He got noticed for his amazing skill while playing for the Turtles. [/quot
The 91 Cult needs to insert themselves whenever possible. They are still the little brother to the Express Brand. They have a couple of ex Turtles for their “older team”. They hang their hats on that for now. They are hoping that Extreme stays together (no shot, a bunch of them are heading to Chammy) and a 2020 team that hasn’t reached puberty yet. They need to get SOMEONE in a DI program to stay somewhat credible…
Who cares? He left because Turtles were holding him back, He really started to get noticed AFTER he left!
That's ridiculous he was the MVP of most high profile tournaments that he played with the Turtles including DICKS. He got noticed for his amazing skill while playing for the Turtles.
True
Two players who left the turtles became mvps of high profile showcases.
It cannot be discredited the advantages they gained while playing for such a high caliber team. The training they underwent while there ensured that their skills would develop and ultimately be noticed by D1schools as it is for players still with the turtles. All will eventually find their appropriate D 1 slots.
[quote=Anonymous]
Who cares? He left because Turtles were holding him back, He really started to get noticed AFTER he left!
That's ridiculous he was the MVP of most high profile tournaments that he played with the Turtles including DICKS. He got noticed for his amazing skill while playing for the Turtles. [/quot
The 91 Cult needs to insert themselves whenever possible. They are still the little brother to the Express Brand. They have a couple of ex Turtles for their “older team”. They hang their hats on that for now. They are hoping that Extreme stays together (no shot, a bunch of them are heading to Chammy) and a 2020 team that hasn’t reached puberty yet. They need to get SOMEONE in a DI program to stay somewhat credible…
CRUSH!!!!!!
Congratutlations to the only two Freshman named to the boys top 100 list in Newsday
F/O specialist from Commack Kevin Snyder
Attack from CSH Ian Laviano (Plays for team 91)
Awesome accomplishment!
Actually they were teamates in forth grade with the Express. Now they are both with other programs
The Commack player is on a very talented True Blue team.
[quote=Anonymous]
Who cares? He left because Turtles were holding him back, He really started to get noticed AFTER he left!
That's ridiculous he was the MVP of most high profile tournaments that he played with the Turtles including DICKS. He got noticed for his amazing skill while playing for the Turtles. [/quot
The 91 Cult needs to insert themselves whenever possible. They are still the little brother to the Express Brand. They have a couple of ex Turtles for their “older team”. They hang their hats on that for now. They are hoping that Extreme stays together (no shot, a bunch of them are heading to Chammy) and a 2020 team that hasn’t reached puberty yet. They need to get SOMEONE in a DI program to stay somewhat credible…
Why wouldn't Extreme stay together if some go to Chaminade, there are kids that play for Chaminade and play for 91. As for the other team, I would say for a team that has not reached puberty yet- they do pretty well for themselves, especially playing up against some kids already in puberty.
Who cares? He left because Turtles were holding him back, He really started to get noticed AFTER he left!
That's ridiculous he was the MVP of most high profile tournaments that he played with the Turtles including DICKS. He got noticed for his amazing skill while playing for the Turtles.
Why are you so angry Turtle daddy? Truth is, he was showing up the less skilled players, so he went where he would be appreciated. Stop trying to take credit for Ian, he's gone, worry about the rest of your team!
There are people in the know and people not. You my friend are the latter. Should you know the truth and perhaps his parents you would retract your hype. Stay thirsty...
Ward Melville 2017 Playing Varsity.
6 points in 5 games, 5 goals and 1 assist.
He played for The Gladiators before switching to The Express Turtles. Now at WM.
Who cares? He left because Turtles were holding him back, He really started to get noticed AFTER he left!
That's ridiculous he was the MVP of most high profile tournaments that he played with the Turtles including DICKS. He got noticed for his amazing skill while playing for the Turtles.
Why are you so angry Turtle daddy? Truth is, he was showing up the less skilled players, so he went where he would be appreciated. Stop trying to take credit for Ian, he's gone, worry about the rest of your team!
There are people in the know and people not. You my friend are the latter. Should you know the truth and perhaps his parents you would retract your hype. Stay thirsty...
Just think it's funny how Turtle parents always have to interject themselves with a pat on the back! Who cares if kid used to play for the Turtles! Fact is he left because he wasn't happy there. He was great before he was on that team and will continue to excel after. The post was stating that he was one of the only two freshman on the top 100 list. Maybe you should start a new thread abut the acompishments of former Turtles players, that way you can remind peple any time a former player gets an award that he used to play for you!
Impressive. No verbal on the Ward Melville 2017 Player.
a Very smart family behind that player , letting their son mature more before making a decision like that also a brilliant kid in the class room .
Who cares? He left because Turtles were holding him back, He really started to get noticed AFTER he left!
That's ridiculous he was the MVP of most high profile tournaments that he played with the Turtles including DICKS. He got noticed for his amazing skill while playing for the Turtles.
Why are you so angry Turtle daddy? Truth is, he was showing up the less skilled players, so he went where he would be appreciated. Stop trying to take credit for Ian, he's gone, worry about the rest of your team!
There are people in the know and people not. You my friend are the latter. Should you know the truth and perhaps his parents you would retract your hype. Stay thirsty...
Just think it's funny how Turtle parents always have to interject themselves with a pat on the back! Who cares if kid used to play for the Turtles! Fact is he left because he wasn't happy there. He was great before he was on that team and will continue to excel after. The post was stating that he was one of the only two freshman on the top 100 list. Maybe you should start a new thread abut the acompishments of former Turtles players, that way you can remind peple any time a former player gets an award that he used to play for you!
Actually what is funny is that he and the other former turtle are on a team that wont ever face the turtles. Maybe he just wanted to stand out on his own. BTW how many 91 practices did the kid make since varsity kicked in? Come on...you know the answer.
What are you guys going to do when your kids are in college, complain they are playing against some kids who are 21 when they are 18? Toughen up a little.
Maybe, maybe not. It would be nice to compete fairly for the chance, however.
What are you guys going to do when your kids are in college, complain they are playing against some kids who are 21 when they are 18? Toughen up a little.
Maybe, maybe not. It would be nice to compete fairly for the chance, however.
Yea yea. That's right. Let's all play "fair". Because that's what all the colleges coaches want. They're dying for 17 yr old freshman and 21 yr old srs. Because they can really really compete against 22,23,24 yr olds and yes some 25 year olds!!! Yup.
a Very smart family behind that player , letting their son mature more before making a decision like that also a brilliant kid in the class room .
Ivy's and duke waiting for full year of grades. Good for him!! Congrats!!
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]
Who cares? He left because Turtles were holding him back, He really started to get noticed AFTER he left!
That's ridiculous he was the MVP of most high profile tournaments that he played with the Turtles including DICKS. He got noticed for his amazing skill while playing for the Turtles.
You are one of those small member angry people? The team that you mention respects yours, silly man. That team has had one practice since Varsity started, and people like them more.
a Very smart family behind that player , letting their son mature more before making a decision like that also a brilliant kid in the class room .
Ivy's and duke waiting for full year of grades. Good for him!! Congrats!!
Thats great if its true. Why is it that all the "best high profile" players are "waiting" f[b][/b]or Ivy's and Duke? could it be a case of that your not on radar strong enough yet? That ok you know. I guess schools like Penn, UNC, Bucknell, Hopkins and UVA are NOT high level academics thats why 2017's are committed to those schools so early. lol
a Very smart family behind that player , letting their son mature more before making a decision like that also a brilliant kid in the class room .
Ivy's and duke waiting for full year of grades. Good for him!! Congrats!!
Thats great if its true. Why is it that all the "best high profile" players are "waiting" f[b][/b]or Ivy's and Duke? could it be a case of that your not on radar strong enough yet? That ok you know. I guess schools like Penn, UNC, Bucknell, Hopkins and UVA are NOT high level academics thats why 2017's are committed to those schools so early. lol
Go hate somewhere else. you are another small minded bitter person.
Maybe he & his family, or other "best high profile" players & their families, are just not ready to make that decision yet. Maybe (just maybe) they don't feel the pressure to be the "first to commit". Maybe they are in talks with many schools & maybe he is "not on radar strong enough yet". I don't know, you don't know & the next poster to put their "honest opinion" on here doesn't know either. There are many scenarios going on for many very talented kids. For those that have given their verbal and are secure in that decision, Congratulation! For those that are in "talks" with many schools and are waiting, good for you and good luck and finally, for those that are not high on coaches radar yet, good luck this season and up coming summer (& oh, yeah, the next two years) IDK why there is so much animosity on here. Good luck boys!
a Very smart family behind that player , letting their son mature more before making a decision like that also a brilliant kid in the class room .
Ivy's and duke waiting for full year of grades. Good for him!! Congrats!!
Thats great if its true. Why is it that all the "best high profile" players are "waiting" f[b][/b]or Ivy's and Duke? could it be a case of that your not on radar strong enough yet? That ok you know. I guess schools like Penn, UNC, Bucknell, Hopkins and UVA are NOT high level academics thats why 2017's are committed to those schools so early. lol
Go hate somewhere else. you are another small minded bitter person.
Not hating. Not small minded at all. Making a point that you missed due to your BITTER reply. Best of luck to your kids and all the players.
Do most of you actually realize these commitments mean very little. Yes these 9th grade students most who are 15 and younger have three more years left to play lacrosse or decide that today's dream college is tomorrow's after thought. These children really have limited ability to realize what this decision means for their future. Until the financial paperwork is submitted and accepted be the university both sides could opt out. There is way too much time for these children to mature , decide perhaps they don't want to play, god forbid get hurt, fail classes the variables are many. If any of you think that any commitment you get now is concrete you are naive. When the perceived better player gets an offer your child can be bumped. This is not speculation but reality. With that said I hope everyone gets the opportunity their offered but until that child is enrolled anything can happen.
Do most of you actually realize these commitments mean very little. Yes these 9th grade students most who are 15 and younger have three more years left to play lacrosse or decide that today's dream college is tomorrow's after thought. These children really have limited ability to realize what this decision means for their future. Until the financial paperwork is submitted and accepted be the university both sides could opt out. There is way too much time for these children to mature , decide perhaps they don't want to play, god forbid get hurt, fail classes the variables are many. If any of you think that any commitment you get now is concrete you are naive. When the perceived better player gets an offer your child can be bumped. This is not speculation but reality. With that said I hope everyone gets the opportunity their offered but until that child is enrolled anything can happen.
Wow, aren't you a debbie downer!! And I bet you don't think there's a Santa Claus!!! Haha.
Do most of you actually realize these commitments mean very little. Yes these 9th grade students most who are 15 and younger have three more years left to play lacrosse or decide that today's dream college is tomorrow's after thought. These children really have limited ability to realize what this decision means for their future. Until the financial paperwork is submitted and accepted be the university both sides could opt out. There is way too much time for these children to mature , decide perhaps they don't want to play, god forbid get hurt, fail classes the variables are many. If any of you think that any commitment you get now is concrete you are naive. When the perceived better player gets an offer your child can be bumped. This is not speculation but reality. With that said I hope everyone gets the opportunity their offered but until that child is enrolled anything can happen.
Spoken like a mom/dad who's kid ISNT committed or even close. Also, you are out of touch on what these commitments mean and the many more to come by this summer.
[quote=Anonymous]Do most of you actually realize these commitments mean very little. Yes these 9th grade students most who are 15 and younger have three more years left to play lacrosse or decide that today's dream college is tomorrow's after thought. These children really have limited ability to realize what this decision means for their future. Until the financial paperwork is submitted and accepted be the university both sides could opt out. There is way too much time for these children to mature , decide perhaps they don't want to play, god forbid get hurt, fail classes the variables are many. If any of you think that any commitment you get now is concrete you are naive. When the perceived better player gets an offer your child can be bumped. This is not speculation but reality. With that said I hope everyone gets the opportunity their offered but until that child is enrolled anything can happen. [/qu
You do realize you are absolutely wrong! No University would rescind on a verbal (without proper justification) Their reputation wouldn't allow it. That is not my opinion, it is a fact. Nothing naïve about that. Can a child (& I believe at 15 they are children also) get hurt, decide not to play, absolutely but a coach would not destroy his reputation over a partial scholarship. However, we have heard of students opting out of their end of a verbal agreement, in favor of a better school. Sorry to burst you "Debbie Downer" bubble but, that's the reality.
Do most of you actually realize these commitments mean very little. Yes these 9th grade students most who are 15 and younger have three more years left to play lacrosse or decide that today's dream college is tomorrow's after thought. These children really have limited ability to realize what this decision means for their future. Until the financial paperwork is submitted and accepted be the university both sides could opt out. There is way too much time for these children to mature , decide perhaps they don't want to play, god forbid get hurt, fail classes the variables are many. If any of you think that any commitment you get now is concrete you are naive. When the perceived better player gets an offer your child can be bumped. This is not speculation but reality. With that said I hope everyone gets the opportunity their offered but until that child is enrolled anything can happen.
I was just reading the prior entry. Wow. How can you take something so special, hard-earned, exciting, etc., and pee on it like that? The commitment means very little...... Wow. You must have all of the answers.
[quote=Anonymous]Do most of you actually realize these commitments mean very little. Yes these 9th grade students most who are 15 and younger have three more years left to play lacrosse or decide that today's dream college is tomorrow's after thought. These children really have limited ability to realize what this decision means for their future. Until the financial paperwork is submitted and accepted be the university both sides could opt out. There is way too much time for these children to mature , decide perhaps they don't want to play, god forbid get hurt, fail classes the variables are many. If any of you think that any commitment you get now is concrete you are naive. When the perceived better player gets an offer your child can be bumped. This is not speculation but reality. With that said I hope everyone gets the opportunity their offered but until that child is enrolled anything can happen. [/qu
You do realize you are absolutely wrong! No University would rescind on a verbal (without proper justification) Their reputation wouldn't allow it. That is not my opinion, it is a fact. Nothing naïve about that. Can a child (& I believe at 15 they are children also) get hurt, decide not to play, absolutely but a coach would not destroy his reputation over a partial scholarship. However, we have heard of students opting out of their end of a verbal agreement, in favor of a better school. Sorry to burst you "Debbie Downer" bubble but, that's the reality.
what world are you living in... they do have the right to rescind the offer. you say they wont, okay believe what you want. with this push for early commits lets see how many get rescinded in the next 3/4 years.
[quote=Anonymous]Do most of you actually realize these commitments mean very little. Yes these 9th grade students most who are 15 and younger have three more years left to play lacrosse or decide that today's dream college is tomorrow's after thought. These children really have limited ability to realize what this decision means for their future. Until the financial paperwork is submitted and accepted be the university both sides could opt out. There is way too much time for these children to mature , decide perhaps they don't want to play, god forbid get hurt, fail classes the variables are many. If any of you think that any commitment you get now is concrete you are naive. When the perceived better player gets an offer your child can be bumped. This is not speculation but reality. With that said I hope everyone gets the
opportunity their offered but until that child is enrolled anything can happen. [/qu
You do realize you are absolutely wrong! No University would rescind on a verbal (without proper justification) Their reputation wouldn't allow it. That is not my opinion, it is a fact. Nothing naïve about that. Can a child (& I believe at 15 they are children also) get hurt, decide not to play, absolutely but a coach would not destroy his reputation over a partial scholarship. However, we have heard of students opting out of their end of a verbal agreement, in favor of a better school. Sorry to burst you "Debbie Downer" bubble but, that's the reality.
what world are you living in... they do have the right to rescind the offer. you say they wont, okay believe what you want. with this push for early commits lets see how many get rescinded in the next 3/4 years.
Some people and it seems too many lacrosse parents live in a fantasy world. To think a college would not rescind a verbal commitment is insane. Does anyone realize a verbal commitment is a gentlemens agreement between the coach and player. The university itself cannot be held accountable. Would it be bad form for a coach to rescind the offer absolutely. But, it happens on a pretty regular basis in the NCAA for baseball, football , hockey and basketball. There are many reasons a verbal can get rescinded. Once they put it in writing outstanding but there is a reason for all these verbal commitments. The big business NCAA should once again review policy of coaches talking to players not yet completed their sophomore year. You want a true binding commitment get the letter of intent. Good luck to all 2017 players. Hopefully many of them go on to pursue whatever sport or education they can. I have had enough with Long Island lacrosse parents touting their children in middle school as can't miss d1 lacrosse players. Lacrosse parents are by far the most vocal loud parents of all the sports.
Harvard just got out of a verbal commit in hockey - LI kid too
Of course there is a legal right to rescind an offer. But looking back at Bucknell's early commitments over the past seven years, I don't think there was one case where an offer was rescinded - except where the athlete's academics went completely downhill. I imagine many good academic colleges can say something similar.
Harvard just got out of a verbal commit in hockey - LI kid too
once more, I think that you can imagine that there may be justification for the school yanking their deal. it is not simply so because you post it. academic issues, legal, behavioral, etc. I realize that on these threads, nobody really backs claims with factual evidence, but do consider that the coach IS the university or school. NO college worth their salt would fail to support the coaches decision in offering a deal. This Harvard kid may have not exactly made public the reason for his release. Why would you not even consider this? Did you read this on an anonymous blog board? I guess that would make it so.
Do most of you actually realize these commitments mean very little. Yes these 9th grade students most who are 15 and younger have three more years left to play lacrosse or decide that today's dream college is tomorrow's after thought. These children really have limited ability to realize what this decision means for their future. Until the financial paperwork is submitted and accepted be the university both sides could opt out. There is way too much time for these children to mature , decide perhaps they don't want to play, god forbid get hurt, fail classes the variables are many. If any of you think that any commitment you get now is concrete you are naive. When the perceived better player gets an offer your child can be bumped. This is not speculation but reality. With that said I hope everyone gets the opportunity their offered but until that child is enrolled anything can happen.
You do hopefully realize how petty and absolutely jealous you sound.
Is the above statement something you've had to tell you uncommitted child as he cries himself to sleep for not living up to your expectations? You must rain down on every achievement your kid has made....."hey dad; I made varsity".....that means so little now go do your homework. "Dad; I'm going to be valedictorian and Stanford is giving me a full academic scholarship". Big deal; show me a paycheck with 7 digits to start.
What a wet blanket you are Debbie Downer Dad!!!
When Tambroni took over at Penn St., he rescinded all verbals and recruited his own kids. That's why one of the most important question is will that coach be there?
That worked out well for Penn State.
Other D1 Coaches were lined up to grab those Penn State Players. Once a top recruit it's easy to catch on.
Do most of you actually realize these commitments mean very little. Yes these 9th grade students most who are 15 and younger have three more years left to play lacrosse or decide that today's dream college is tomorrow's after thought. These children really have limited ability to realize what this decision means for their future. Until the financial paperwork is submitted and accepted be the university both sides could opt out. There is way too much time for these children to mature , decide perhaps they don't want to play, god forbid get hurt, fail classes the variables are many. If any of you think that any commitment you get now is concrete you are naive. When the perceived better player gets an offer your child can be bumped. This is not speculation but reality. With that said I hope everyone gets the opportunity their offered but until that child is enrolled anything can happen.
You do hopefully realize how petty and absolutely jealous you sound.
Is the above statement something you've had to tell you uncommitted child as he cries himself to sleep for not living up to your expectations? You must rain down on every achievement your kid has made....."hey dad; I made varsity".....that means so little now go do your homework. "Dad; I'm going to be valedictorian and Stanford is giving me a full academic scholarship". Big deal; show me a paycheck with 7 digits to start.
What a wet blanket you are Debbie Downer Dad!!!
Where is the jealousy exactly? Is it the comment that a 15 year old with three years to play shouldn't need to make a life decision at that time is that jealousy? Is the comment that a 15 year old really doesn't have the life experience to make that decision jealousy? Is saying that colleges do rescind verbal offers jealousy ? Or was my comment about hoping every gets the opportunity to follow their dream by getting an offer jealousy ? The other comments in my post are facts. Look it up verbals get rescinded all the time in the NCAA. It is a fact. I have nothing to be jealous about. My 2017 plays varsity and on a club has made some great friends, has been to tournaments and is pretty damn happy. When he is ready to decide where or what sport or what academic life he wants for himself we will sit down and talk it out. Once again I hope everyone gets the opportunity to follow their dream or wait is that the jealousy coming out.
When Tambroni took over at Penn St., he rescinded all verbals and recruited his own kids. That's why one of the most important question is will that coach be there?
Thats true, Tambroni did that. But what about Harvard? The current Harvard coach honored all the prior commits that were made before he was hired. So maybe you should mention that unless you didn't know. Which you probably didnt.
Night and day comparison. Tambroni did what every coach can do if he wants when he takes over a program. Harvard coach could have done the same thing but the difference is getting a kid to commit and GET IN to Harvard is a lot harder than getting in to Penn St. To start recruiting late there would be no way for the Harvard Coach to fill his needs. Penn St on the other hand you have a much larger pool to choose from. Spell your name right and fill out a post card with a return address and you are half way there.
Do most of you actually realize these commitments mean very little. Yes these 9th grade students most who are 15 and younger have three more years left to play lacrosse or decide that today's dream college is tomorrow's after thought. These children really have limited ability to realize what this decision means for their future. Until the financial paperwork is submitted and accepted be the university both sides could opt out. There is way too much time for these children to mature , decide perhaps they don't want to play, god forbid get hurt, fail classes the variables are many. If any of you think that any commitment you get now is concrete you are naive. When the perceived better player gets an offer your child can be bumped. This is not speculation but reality. With that said I hope everyone gets the opportunity their offered but until that child is enrolled anything can happen.
You do hopefully realize how petty and absolutely jealous you sound.
Is the above statement something you've had to tell you uncommitted child as he cries himself to sleep for not living up to your expectations? You must rain down on every achievement your kid has made....."hey dad; I made varsity".....that means so little now go do your homework. "Dad; I'm going to be valedictorian and Stanford is giving me a full academic scholarship". Big deal; show me a paycheck with 7 digits to start.
What a wet blanket you are Debbie Downer Dad!!!
Where is the jealousy exactly? Is it the comment that a 15 year old with three years to play shouldn't need to make a life decision at that time is that jealousy? Is the comment that a 15 year old really doesn't have the life experience to make that decision jealousy? Is saying that colleges do rescind verbal offers jealousy ? Or was my comment about hoping every gets the opportunity to follow their dream by getting an offer jealousy ? The other comments in my post are facts. Look it up verbals get rescinded all the time in the NCAA. It is a fact. I have nothing to be jealous about. My 2017 plays varsity and on a club has made some great friends, has been to tournaments and is pretty damn happy. When he is ready to decide where or what sport or what academic life he wants for himself we will sit down and talk it out. Once again I hope everyone gets the opportunity to follow their dream or wait is that the jealousy coming out.
Bottom line: do not assume that one year of growth will have any major impact on a student athlete's ability or inability to make life decisions. That is where parenting comes in. That is where family discussions and decisions are made.
You make it sound like these kids are out in the cold making every decision by themselves. Many can and will have the majority of say in the decision and their parents will hopefully be there to guide them. I contend that the majority of these elite players can in fact be very instrumental in the process. It takes a certain level of maturity and accumen to become an elite level player.
Can commits be rescinded? Sure; when a student athlete does not live up to the verbal contract that stipulates his or her obligations; it can and may be rescinded. But this he's true for any year during the commitment and even after a national letter of intent is signed.
But it is not all meaningless as you have purported it to be. You are just not on the committed side of the equation and this your bias is as such. When and if your son gets signed; you may have different opinions.
When Tambroni took over at Penn St., he rescinded all verbals and recruited his own kids. That's why one of the most important question is will that coach be there?
Thats true, Tambroni did that. But what about Harvard? The current Harvard coach honored all the prior commits that were made before he was hired. So maybe you should mention that unless you didn't know. Which you probably didnt.
The thread was implying that rescinding verbals was a very rare occurrence. I brought up the Penn St example as an effort to point out it happens more than we would all like to admit. And it should be noted, a verbal to the ivy admission process is different than the Penn St situation.
Night and day comparison. Tambroni did what every coach can do if he wants when he takes over a program. Harvard coach could have done the same thing but the difference is getting a kid to commit and GET IN to Harvard is a lot harder than getting in to Penn St. To start recruiting late there would be no way for the Harvard Coach to fill his needs. Penn St on the other hand you have a much larger pool to choose from. Spell your name right and fill out a post card with a return address and you are half way there.
Ok I stand corrected. Good points.
Do most of you actually realize these commitments mean very little. Yes these 9th grade students most who are 15 and younger have three more years left to play lacrosse or decide that today's dream college is tomorrow's after thought. These children really have limited ability to realize what this decision means for their future. Until the financial paperwork is submitted and accepted be the university both sides could opt out. There is way too much time for these children to mature , decide perhaps they don't want to play, god forbid get hurt, fail classes the variables are many. If any of you think that any commitment you get now is concrete you are naive. When the perceived better player gets an offer your child can be bumped. This is not speculation but reality. With that said I hope everyone gets the opportunity their offered but until that child is enrolled anything can happen.
You do hopefully realize how petty and absolutely jealous you sound.
Is the above statement something you've had to tell you uncommitted child as he cries himself to sleep for not living up to your expectations? You must rain down on every achievement your kid has made....."hey dad; I made varsity".....that means so little now go do your homework. "Dad; I'm going to be valedictorian and Stanford is giving me a full academic scholarship". Big deal; show me a paycheck with 7 digits to start.
What a wet blanket you are Debbie Downer Dad!!!
Where is the jealousy exactly? Is it the comment that a 15 year old with three years to play shouldn't need to make a life decision at that time is that jealousy? Is the comment that a 15 year old really doesn't have the life experience to make that decision jealousy? Is saying that colleges do rescind verbal offers jealousy ? Or was my comment about hoping every gets the opportunity to follow their dream by getting an offer jealousy ? The other comments in my post are facts. Look it up verbals get rescinded all the time in the NCAA. It is a fact. I have nothing to be jealous about. My 2017 plays varsity and on a club has made some great friends, has been to tournaments and is pretty damn happy. When he is ready to decide where or what sport or what academic life he wants for himself we will sit down and talk it out. Once again I hope everyone gets the opportunity to follow their dream or wait is that the jealousy coming out.
Bottom line: do not assume that one year of growth will have any major impact on a student athlete's ability or inability to make life decisions. That is where parenting comes in. That is where family discussions and decisions are made.
You make it sound like these kids are out in the cold making every decision by themselves. Many can and will have the majority of say in the decision and their parents will hopefully be there to guide them. I contend that the majority of these elite players can in fact be very instrumental in the process. It takes a certain level of maturity and accumen to become an elite level player.
Can commits be rescinded? Sure; when a student athlete does not live up to the verbal contract that stipulates his or her obligations; it can and may be rescinded. But this he's true for any year during the commitment and even after a national letter of intent is signed.
But it is not all meaningless as you have purported it to be. You are just not on the committed side of the equation and this your bias is as such. When and if your son gets signed; you may have different opinions.
Well said and I agree.
Do most of you actually realize these commitments mean very little. Yes these 9th grade students most who are 15 and younger have three more years left to play lacrosse or decide that today's dream college is tomorrow's after thought. These children really have limited ability to realize what this decision means for their future. Until the financial paperwork is submitted and accepted be the university both sides could opt out. There is way too much time for these children to mature , decide perhaps they don't want to play, god forbid get hurt, fail classes the variables are many. If any of you think that any commitment you get now is concrete you are naive. When the perceived better player gets an offer your child can be bumped. This is not speculation but reality. With that said I hope everyone gets the opportunity their offered but until that child is enrolled anything can happen.
You do hopefully realize how petty and absolutely jealous you sound.
Is the above statement something you've had to tell you uncommitted child as he cries himself to sleep for not living up to your expectations? You must rain down on every achievement your kid has made....."hey dad; I made varsity".....that means so little now go do your homework. "Dad; I'm going to be valedictorian and Stanford is giving me a full academic scholarship". Big deal; show me a paycheck with 7 digits to start.
What a wet blanket you are Debbie Downer Dad!!!
Where is the jealousy exactly? Is it the comment that a 15 year old with three years to play shouldn't need to make a life decision at that time is that jealousy? Is the comment that a 15 year old really doesn't have the life experience to make that decision jealousy? Is saying that colleges do rescind verbal offers jealousy ? Or was my comment about hoping every gets the opportunity to follow their dream by getting an offer jealousy ? The other comments in my post are facts. Look it up verbals get rescinded all the time in the NCAA. It is a fact. I have nothing to be jealous about. My 2017 plays varsity and on a club has made some great friends, has been to tournaments and is pretty damn happy. When he is ready to decide where or what sport or what academic life he wants for himself we will sit down and talk it out. Once again I hope everyone gets the opportunity to follow their dream or wait is that the jealousy coming out.
Bottom line: do not assume that one year of growth will have any major impact on a student athlete's ability or inability to make life decisions. That is where parenting comes in. That is where family discussions and decisions are made.
You make it sound like these kids are out in the cold making every decision by themselves. Many can and will have the majority of say in the decision and their parents will hopefully be there to guide them. I contend that the majority of these elite players can in fact be very instrumental in the process. It takes a certain level of maturity and accumen to become an elite level player.
Can commits be rescinded? Sure; when a student athlete does not live up to the verbal contract that stipulates his or her obligations; it can and may be rescinded. But this he's true for any year during the commitment and even after a national letter of intent is signed.
But it is not all meaningless as you have purported it to be. You are just not on the committed side of the equation and this your bias is as such. When and if your son gets signed; you may have different opinions.
Well said and I agree.
One year of growth or two years of growth? Commitments should not be made to students until the end of their sophomore year is my belief. Yes there is tremendous growth and maturity of a child maturing into a young man from when he enters as a freshman to when he enters as a junior. Not all elite players display maturity many are not very mature having been catered too for years. We have all seen them. A 14-15 year old cannot make a verbal commitment it must be made with their parents.
A verbal commitment is not a contract where the nli is. Yes they can be rescinded but the nli is more binding.
My bias is not on the committed - uncommitted side you are mistaken. My feelings are that these verbal commitments to minors in their freshman year are too soon. The NCAA needs better regulations. Lacrosse is getting away from the old boys network and becoming more of a college business for winning. This will go either in a positive direction or negative because college lacrosse does not make money for colleges.
As for my son he will go to college and play one of two sports. I am lucky enough to be in a different position because I am on staff at a local university and my son will have different opportunities at different schools because of it. My perspective is admittedly different because my situation. As I said all these boys should be lucky enough to,follow their dreams but at 14\15 year old freshman that dream may change several times.
FYI - The 2017 freshman Chaminade team rolled over Anthony's yesterday
FYI - The 2017 freshman Chaminade team rolled over Anthony's yesterday
Great. No ones cares.
FYI - The 2017 freshman Chaminade team rolled over Anthony's yesterday
Great. No ones cares.
Actually, I do. Thanks for sharing. I generally only hear about the older teams, so good to hear about this year. How have the other games gone?
Woa, you don't speak for everyone - some of us are interested in hearing about freshman games.
What was the score? Did you see the game? Future does not bode well for St. A's - the 2018 Chaminade class looks to be much more stacked than does the St. A's 2018 class.
FYI - The 2017 freshman Chaminade team rolled over Anthony's yesterday
Freshman plus the 17 year old on the team
FYI - The 2017 freshman Chaminade team rolled over Anthony's yesterday
Freshman plus the 17 year old on the team
He isn't the only older one on that team. But very good freshman team, hope it keeps up for you guys.
FYI - The 2017 freshman Chaminade team rolled over Anthony's yesterday
Freshman plus the 17 year old on the team
Please, there is no "17" year old on the team. Was a great game and the next few years will be a lot of fun to watch both teams compete
FYI - The 2017 freshman Chaminade team rolled over Anthony's yesterday
Freshman plus the 17 year old on the team
Please, there is no "17" year old on the team. Was a great game and the next few years will be a lot of fun to watch both teams compete
Great game? My kid had a black helmet on, wasn't so great for us. Congrats on your win, will be very tough for us to beat you guys just not enough firepower with the 2017 Friars.
FYI - The 2017 freshman Chaminade team rolled over Anthony's yesterday
Freshman plus the 17 year old on the team
Please, there is no "17" year old on the team. Was a great game and the next few years will be a lot of fun to watch both teams compete
Great game? My kid had a black helmet on, wasn't so great for us. Congrats on your win, will be very tough for us to beat you guys just not enough firepower with the 2017 Friars.
I thought it was a great game for all the boys. Most of both teams know each other, some from town and some play club ball together. That reason alone makes it a great game!
I noticed some posts on what happens to "verbal commitments" when there is a coaching change. One example was new Penn State coach redacting the prior verbals given out and re-doing it. This leads to a point and then a question...a few coaches of bellwether NCAA teams are either older now or could be on the ropes if their programs decline / don't show at a high level / something unforseen happens like Cornell earlier this year. For example, a coach like Dom Starsia is an icon and is greatly respected and all, but he can't coach forever. Given the extremes of early recruiting, it would not be too bold to suggest that a current 2017 high school player will not play for Coach Starsia. What if the next UVa coach is not enamored with the 2017 commits and wants to do what Tamborini did at Penn State? It is at least a material risk to consider before having your kid go commit. Once these kids are juniors or seniors and there is a coaching change, there is no 1-800-get me another deal in this sport.
Chaminade 2017 team is clearly on another level.
that is no way a slight to the freshman St. Anthony's team.
Chaminade's depth of talent at all positions creates competitive imbalance...
I noticed some posts on what happens to "verbal commitments" when there is a coaching change. One example was new Penn State coach redacting the prior verbals given out and re-doing it. This leads to a point and then a question...a few coaches of bellwether NCAA teams are either older now or could be on the ropes if their programs decline / don't show at a high level / something unforseen happens like Cornell earlier this year. For example, a coach like Dom Starsia is an icon and is greatly respected and all, but he can't coach forever. Given the extremes of early recruiting, it would not be too bold to suggest that a current 2017 high school player will not play for Coach Starsia. What if the next UVa coach is not enamored with the 2017 commits and wants to do what Tamborini did at Penn State? It is at least a material risk to consider before having your kid go commit. Once these kids are juniors or seniors and there is a coaching change, there is no 1-800-get me another deal in this sport.
Ok so should a 2017 player & his family pass up an a chance to commit with a school he loves because of a "what if" ? WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!
Ok so should a 2017 player & his family pass up an a chance to commit with a school he loves because of a "what if" ? WAKE UP!!!!!!!!! [/quote]
What which I wrote merits your Neanderthal reply? Look, a kid commits to Penn or Princeton, who gives a hoot who the coach is. I don't think it is a bad point to wonder if my 2017 son will be playing for a coach recruiting him. If you believe that a guy in his 60s is going to be there another 7-8 years, or that a coach like Petro won't get heat if Hop goes mediocre, then ignore those risks. And if a verbal is no good, there also goes the scholarship economics offered.
I noticed some posts on what happens to "verbal commitments" when there is a coaching change. One example was new Penn State coach redacting the prior verbals given out and re-doing it. This leads to a point and then a question...a few coaches of bellwether NCAA teams are either older now or could be on the ropes if their programs decline / don't show at a high level / something unforseen happens like Cornell earlier this year. For example, a coach like Dom Starsia is an icon and is greatly respected and all, but he can't coach forever. Given the extremes of early recruiting, it would not be too bold to suggest that a current 2017 high school player will not play for Coach Starsia. What if the next UVa coach is not enamored with the 2017 commits and wants to do what Tamborini did at Penn State? It is at least a material risk to consider before having your kid go commit. Once these kids are juniors or seniors and there is a coaching change, there is no 1-800-get me another deal in this sport.
Ok so should a 2017 player & his family pass up an a chance to commit with a school he loves because of a "what if" ? WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!
...don't sweat, friend. Just somebody going all "sour grapes". They figured that if they tried hard enough, and veiled their reasoning with good grammar and such, that their green wouldn't show.
FYI - The 2017 freshman Chaminade team rolled over Anthony's yesterday
Freshman plus the 17 year old on the team
Please, there is no "17" year old on the team. Was a great game and the next few years will be a lot of fun to watch both teams compete
Great game? My kid had a black helmet on, wasn't so great for us. Congrats on your win, will be very tough for us to beat you guys just not enough firepower with the 2017 Friars.
I thought it was a great game for all the boys. Most of both teams know each other, some from town and some play club ball together. That reason alone makes it a great game!
That sounds very sporting of you. Is this a freshman team? Question being, "Do they have a freshman, a JV, and a Varsity team?" Thank you and enjoy. I'm sure that the defeated team is no joke as well, although some seriously maladapted folks would like to conceal their inadequacies by flaunting and taunting!
Chaminade 2017 team is clearly on another level.
that is no way a slight to the freshman St. Anthony's team.
Chaminade's depth of talent at all positions creates competitive imbalance...
The middie lines for Chaminade and St Anthony's seemed equal
The middies comparison is probably fair...
I noticed some posts on what happens to "verbal commitments" when there is a coaching change. One example was new Penn State coach redacting the prior verbals given out and re-doing it. This leads to a point and then a question...a few coaches of bellwether NCAA teams are either older now or could be on the ropes if their programs decline / don't show at a high level / something unforseen happens like Cornell earlier this year. For example, a coach like Dom Starsia is an icon and is greatly respected and all, but he can't coach forever. Given the extremes of early recruiting, it would not be too bold to suggest that a current 2017 high school player will not play for Coach Starsia. What if the next UVa coach is not enamored with the 2017 commits and wants to do what Tamborini did at Penn State? It is at least a material risk to consider before having your kid go commit. Once these kids are juniors or seniors and there is a coaching change, there is no 1-800-get me another deal in this sport.
Ok so should a 2017 player & his family pass up an a chance to commit with a school he loves because of a "what if" ? WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!
The issue is, although "early commits" has become a controversial subject; the slots are being filled at the top programs. In that there is no doubt. Thus; the question becomes: take what you are offered while its available or wait it out to see if any coaching changes will occur and turn down a slot because 1-800-..... is not a sure thing?
I am sure everyone would say 'no thanks,coach. It's too early for us; check back in a couple of years'.
As I read the posts why is it anyone with an opinion against early commits is jealous? There is a reality that they could be rescinded. But, it's hard to imagine anyone turning them down. I certainly wouldn't. You offered my son a college commitment at a school he wants he will say yes the same way he will to a new car when he hits age 17. What kid wouldn't and what parent wouldn't be proud and happy to get that financial support. It is controversial.
College Lax Coaches have no better change of predicting what a 15 year old boy will become 4-8 years from now than a weather forecast from Al Gore...
Guess how many historic early commits are on the roster as seniors, let alone starting for their original college...
These "early commit" college coaches are either desperate or delusional
Can anyone reasonably disagree?
College Lax Coaches have no better change of predicting what a 15 year old boy will become 4-8 years from now than a weather forecast from Al Gore...
Guess how many historic early commits are on the roster as seniors, let alone starting for their original college...
These "early commit" college coaches are either desperate or delusional
Can anyone reasonably disagree?
Yes!!I disagree!, Do you really think you know better than D1 coaches from top programs? The only thing desparate, is their quest to indentify and lock in top talent. By 9th grade, you will not see much vertical movement in talent. The boys will just get bigger and stronger. By summer of rising sophomore, most boys height is leveling off, if the skill level is there, it will most likely still be there in 4 years. I also don't think you can use the term "historic". This is a newer phenomena, we are making history. Real data won't be available for about 6-7 years. I can say for sure that the current HS jrs and seniors who committed in their sophomore year (this was considered ground breaking a couple years ago) are in fact the stars of their HS teams in most cases. These kids didn't just magically get good as sophomores, most of them were great as freshman an middle school players as well. I can agree that it must be very frutrating for the parents of 9-12th graders who are not commited. The more time goes by , the slimmer the chances. This however, does not mean the boys who have committed, are not well deserving.
College Lax Coaches have no better change of predicting what a 15 year old boy will become 4-8 years from now than a weather forecast from Al Gore...
Guess how many historic early commits are on the roster as seniors, let alone starting for their original college...
These "early commit" college coaches are either desperate or delusional
Can anyone reasonably disagree?
Disagree? Have you read the posts? Yes people will disagree not with facts to support anything you say because children are fully developed mentally and physically at 14-15 reaching their peak athletic performance.
Many will just call you jealous and green with envy. Any opinion against early commit is just jealousy.
As the original poster questioning the veracity of the early verbal in instances of coaching changes, I do take well the point that this alone is not a reason to decline a spot IF the school is first rate and the kid and parent are decided on it. Offer me a spot for my 8 year old at any Ivy and I'd jump to secure it.
I only suggested it as a reason to evaluate. UVa is a good school, but is not an Ivy or a Stanford. The coach is in his 60s and that school has a recent history of running long tenured coaches out to rejuvenate a program. Women's basketball, baseball, swimming, track and field all had legendary coaches shown a door as they got to a certain age. Dom Starsia retires in 2 years, then what? At that point the new coach may look at the 2017, 2018 & 2019 commits and say you must be kidding me...I take over a program and can't have my own recruits on the field for the next 3-4 years?!? I am just saying it is an outcome all families need to handicap. I'd be pretty concerned if my family was offered some economics needed to have a kid attend a school, and then lose that in 2 years. I don't believe that a coach taking over a first flight NCAA program is going to risk his own job without at least re-evaluating the spot lacrosse and the money and possibly re-auditioning recruits to earn it from him. This is just a factor, and one that has NEVER BEEN ONE BEFORE because this is the first time 9th graders have committed verbally end masse. Just saying. Anyone in disagreement I can understand.
Does anyone know what happened at Penn State? Were kids and families told the deal is no longer the deal when Tamborini took over? If it is true, there is precedent to make that approach more comfortable for the next coaches taking over a Bucknell, UVa, Hop, Penn...you name it.
There are so many variables to the process. Club team, High school team, playing time, upper class players in front of you, attitude, grades, injury, social influence, genetics, coaching, drive, mental toughness, smart and stupid decisions, girlfriends, passion, parents, luck, timing, money and God's blessing. Probably missed a few but you know all of this gets thrown into the recruiting soup! You want a grilled cheese with your soup??
Can anyone reasonably disagree?
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Yes!!I disagree!, Do you really think you know better than D1 coaches from top programs? The only thing desparate, is their quest to indentify and lock in top talent. By 9th grade, you will not see much vertical movement in talent. The boys will just get bigger and stronger. By summer of rising sophomore, most boys height is leveling off, if the skill level is there, it will most likely still be there in 4 years. I also don't think you can use the term "historic". This is a newer phenomena, we are making history. Real data won't be available for about 6-7 years. I can say for sure that the current HS jrs and seniors who committed in their sophomore year (this was considered ground breaking a couple years ago) are in fact the stars of their HS teams in most cases. These kids didn't just magically get good as sophomores, most of them were great as freshman an middle school players as well. I can agree that it must be very frutrating for the parents of 9-12th graders who are not commited. The more time goes by , the slimmer the chances. This however, does not mean the boys who have committed, are not well deserving. [/quote]
I don't disagree with the poster. You're wrong. Girls physically mature by 13-14. Look at Olympic sports where the medalists are girls in 8th to 10th grades like Katie Ledecky in swimming. Then look at men's Olympic sports...it is the rarest of rare for a teen to be a medalist in track, swimming, basketball, etc.
In truth, the period for boys with the most volatility of growth is 13-18. Our club team had a dinner in the recent weeks, and I coild swear on average the kids grew 2 inches and a lot of weight since last seeing them in November. What you see at 14 or 15 is not what you get physically. And I have always believed that the real advantage our MD kids and your LI kids have is stick skills, and frankly that delta goes away with practice. What we know is some kids are the best 11, 13, or 14 year olds and those kids are normally not the same kids as they age up. I think we have all seen that with our own eyes already. One commit to an ACC school from our club team didn't start to play lacrosse until he was 12 and in 8th grade in Fall all said he was too behind...but he was a physical talent, a fast growing big kid and he had the natural ability to pick up the stick skills. Come Summer as a rising 9th grader he was arguably the best player on our team and in thr local area...passed the MD blue blood kids like they were standing still.
Not complaining about early recruiting at all. My kid didn't want UVa, UNC and would rather die than go to school near home in MD...so we're not losing or losers.
I think of it like poker. Some NCAA coaches are going all in before the flop. Some coaches are just checking until they can at least see the flop, if not the turn and the river. Realistically no coach can see the turn or the river anymore to look at juniors and seniors...but the smart ones are at least understanding their own bets better. The more information you have, and that mwans more time, the better your decisions will be.
Oh, and by the way, what storied programs are either declining (UVa and Hop) or have not done anything at NCAAs (UNC) in recent years? The early recruiters. What programs are rising or dominating (Duke, Loyola)? The smart gamblers. I don't think the early data are misleading or wrong.
These are professionals. You have to believe they see things that us parents do not. These verbals seem to be an ACC/Hop thing. I wonder if Maryland will still feel the pressure to verbal early once they move to the Big 10. Impossible to have the answers until these Boys get to College.
How come the IL verball list hasnt been updated in weeks?
Maryland and Virgina verbals.
College Lax Coaches have no better change of predicting what a 15 year old boy will become 4-8 years from now than a weather forecast from Al Gore...
Guess how many historic early commits are on the roster as seniors, let alone starting for their original college...
These "early commit" college coaches are either desperate or delusional
Can anyone reasonably disagree?
Yes!!I disagree!, Do you really think you know better than D1 coaches from top programs? The only thing desparate, is their quest to indentify and lock in top talent. By 9th grade, you will not see much vertical movement in talent. The boys will just get bigger and stronger. By summer of rising sophomore, most boys height is leveling off, if the skill level is there, it will most likely still be there in 4 years. I also don't think you can use the term "historic". This is a newer phenomena, we are making history. Real data won't be available for about 6-7 years. I can say for sure that the current HS jrs and seniors who committed in their sophomore year (this was considered ground breaking a couple years ago) are in fact the stars of their HS teams in most cases. These kids didn't just magically get good as sophomores, most of them were great as freshman an middle school players as well. I can agree that it must be very frutrating for the parents of 9-12th graders who are not commited. The more time goes by , the slimmer the chances. This however, does not mean the boys who have committed, are not well deserving.
College Lax Coaches have no better change of predicting what a 15 year old boy will become 4-8 years from now than a weather forecast from Al Gore...
Guess how many historic early commits are on the roster as seniors, let alone starting for their original college...
These "early commit" college coaches are either desperate or delusional
Can anyone reasonably disagree?
Yes!!I disagree!, Do you really think you know better than D1 coaches from top programs? The only thing desparate, is their quest to indentify and lock in top talent. By 9th grade, you will not see much vertical movement in talent. The boys will just get bigger and stronger. By summer of rising sophomore, most boys height is leveling off, if the skill level is there, it will most likely still be there in 4 years. I also don't think you can use the term "historic". This is a newer phenomena, we are making history. Real data won't be available for about 6-7 years. I can say for sure that the current HS jrs and seniors who committed in their sophomore year (this was considered ground breaking a couple years ago) are in fact the stars of their HS teams in most cases. These kids didn't just magically get good as sophomores, most of them were great as freshman an middle school players as well. I can agree that it must be very frutrating for the parents of 9-12th graders who are not commited. The more time goes by , the slimmer the chances. This however, does not mean the boys who have committed, are not well deserving.
College Lax Coaches have no better change of predicting what a 15 year old boy will become 4-8 years from now than a weather forecast from Al Gore...
Guess how many historic early commits are on the roster as seniors, let alone starting for their original college...
These "early commit" college coaches are either desperate or delusional
Can anyone reasonably disagree?
Yes!!I disagree!, Do you really think you know better than D1 coaches from top programs? The only thing desparate, is their quest to indentify and lock in top talent. By 9th grade, you will not see much vertical movement in talent. The boys will just get bigger and stronger. By summer of rising sophomore, most boys height is leveling off, if the skill level is there, it will most likely still be there in 4 years. I also don't think you can use the term "historic". This is a newer phenomena, we are making history. Real data won't be available for about 6-7 years. I can say for sure that the current HS jrs and seniors who committed in their sophomore year (this was considered ground breaking a couple years ago) are in fact the stars of their HS teams in most cases. These kids didn't just magically get good as sophomores, most of them were great as freshman an middle school players as well. I can agree that it must be very frutrating for the parents of 9-12th graders who are not commited. The more time goes by , the slimmer the chances. This however, does not mean the boys who have committed, are not well deserving.
You really believe there will not be vertical movement in talent? The pro athletes in so many sports weren't playing freshman or jv some didn't play until varsity. This is a fact. One of the most famous is Michael Jordan. Too many factors into giving a 14/15 playe a verbal commitment to justify it. You are right the data doesn't yet come into okay because this is so new. We will not know if it hurst or helps the game for ten years. If you start seeing the "second" tier schools get better because they are getting juniors and Seniors who didn't commit early then we will know. What does it really mean if a child gets a d1 scholarship to play lacrosse or a d3? Isn't it about th education ?
College Lax Coaches have no better change of predicting what a 15 year old boy will become 4-8 years from now than a weather forecast from Al Gore...
Guess how many historic early commits are on the roster as seniors, let alone starting for their original college...
These "early commit" college coaches are either desperate or delusional
Can anyone reasonably disagree?
Yes!!I disagree!, Do you really think you know better than D1 coaches from top programs? The only thing desparate, is their quest to indentify and lock in top talent. By 9th grade, you will not see much vertical movement in talent. The boys will just get bigger and stronger. By summer of rising sophomore, most boys height is leveling off, if the skill level is there, it will most likely still be there in 4 years. I also don't think you can use the term "historic". This is a newer phenomena, we are making history. Real data won't be available for about 6-7 years. I can say for sure that the current HS jrs and seniors who committed in their sophomore year (this was considered ground breaking a couple years ago) are in fact the stars of their HS teams in most cases. These kids didn't just magically get good as sophomores, most of them were great as freshman an middle school players as well. I can agree that it must be very frutrating for the parents of 9-12th graders who are not commited. The more time goes by , the slimmer the chances. This however, does not mean the boys who have committed, are not well deserving.
College Lax Coaches have no better change of predicting what a 15 year old boy will become 4-8 years from now than a weather forecast from Al Gore...
Guess how many historic early commits are on the roster as seniors, let alone starting for their original college...
These "early commit" college coaches are either desperate or delusional
Can anyone reasonably disagree?
Yes!!I disagree!, Do you really think you know better than D1 coaches from top programs? The only thing desparate, is their quest to indentify and lock in top talent. By 9th grade, you will not see much vertical movement in talent. The boys will just get bigger and stronger. By summer of rising sophomore, most boys height is leveling off, if the skill level is there, it will most likely still be there in 4 years. I also don't think you can use the term "historic". This is a newer phenomena, we are making history. Real data won't be available for about 6-7 years. I can say for sure that the current HS jrs and seniors who committed in their sophomore year (this was considered ground breaking a couple years ago) are in fact the stars of their HS teams in most cases. These kids didn't just magically get good as sophomores, most of them were great as freshman an middle school players as well. I can agree that it must be very frutrating for the parents of 9-12th graders who are not commited. The more time goes by , the slimmer the chances. This however, does not mean the boys who have committed, are not well deserving.
College Lax Coaches have no better change of predicting what a 15 year old boy will become 4-8 years from now than a weather forecast from Al Gore...
Guess how many historic early commits are on the roster as seniors, let alone starting for their original college...
These "early commit" college coaches are either desperate or delusional
Can anyone reasonably disagree?
Yes!!I disagree!, Do you really think you know better than D1 coaches from top programs? The only thing desparate, is their quest to indentify and lock in top talent. By 9th grade, you will not see much vertical movement in talent. The boys will just get bigger and stronger. By summer of rising sophomore, most boys height is leveling off, if the skill level is there, it will most likely still be there in 4 years. I also don't think you can use the term "historic". This is a newer phenomena, we are making history. Real data won't be available for about 6-7 years. I can say for sure that the current HS jrs and seniors who committed in their sophomore year (this was considered ground breaking a couple years ago) are in fact the stars of their HS teams in most cases. These kids didn't just magically get good as sophomores, most of them were great as freshman an middle school players as well. I can agree that it must be very frutrating for the parents of 9-12th graders who are not commited. The more time goes by , the slimmer the chances. This however, does not mean the boys who have committed, are not well deserving.
You really believe there will not be vertical movement in talent? The pro athletes in so many sports weren't playing freshman or jv some didn't play until varsity. This is a fact. One of the most famous is Michael Jordan. Too many factors into giving a 14/15 playe a verbal commitment to justify it. You are right the data doesn't yet come into okay because this is so new. We will not know if it hurst or helps the game for ten years. If you start seeing the "second" tier schools get better because they are getting juniors and Seniors who didn't commit early then we will know. What does it really mean if a child gets a d1 scholarship to play lacrosse or a d3? Isn't it about th education ?
Careful what you wish for... I am hearing about so many kids that went D1 and hated it. They hate the grind, the demands, they realize they may never play, etc, etc. Many are transferring to D3 schools where they play immediately and still get a great education. Not sure if this has anything to do with early recruiting, but it's something that seems to be happening at higher rate.
These are professionals. You have to believe they see things that us parents do not. These verbals seem to be an ACC/Hop thing. I wonder if Maryland will still feel the pressure to verbal early once they move to the Big 10. Impossible to have the answers until these Boys get to College.
How come the IL verball list hasnt been updated in weeks?
At one interview; my son asked the head coach; why do you think that I'm a good enough player to choose so early?
The coach's answer was straight forward. He said, " this my job, my profession. This is what I get paid to do. It is not a hobby. I use my knowledge and experience to "see" who has what I need in a player in order for them to ultimately contribute to our team".
Here is how it typically went in the recruiting my son went through at a few schools:
The coaches (head and assistants) all are at different events the previous summer and see individual players and talent. They get together and confer on who they want to look at as a group. Those players then get "invited" to prospect camps that are supposed to be open to the public but are somehow typically limited to 45-60 blue chip players. Then all of the coaches can see the players as a group. These players are then reevaluated and are culled once again. The third look visit is when it starts to get interesting and the coaches then relay to the player and their parents what their goals are and that they are considering that player as a potential commitment player. From there it gets rolling really fast and "slots" are offered or not. It can be pretty heady and intimidating yet also very flattering.
The vetting process also included review of current academic class load and the previous year of grades. Assuredly they are a poor litmus for future success; but these guys seem to "know the ropes". A clandestine review of social media sites was also researched at a couple of interviews and it was related that his media profile is not seen in a negative context (get your kids off of Facebook, my space, twitter, etc !! They look at these areas for character development and or flaws. Make sure you know who is writing what that might be seen in a bad connotation. Get you kid away from that stuff ASAP)
So it's not just genetics and field performance that is being reviewed. Far from it. These guys do know what they are doing and it is very systematic so I don't see it as playing poker in their eyes. They are stacking the deck in their favor by doing their due diligence.
Define "many kids that went D1 and transferred".
Please show the source of "many" and how they hate the grind.
Please do expand upon this weak claim which is mostly anecdotal, I am sure.
Great post, very informative about the early recruiting process.
Please note to all posts that feel that the early commits are being attacked or discredited... They are not...
For each additional school year before a student athlete reaches college, The inherit risk of accuarely predicting a player's potential level of contribution at the college level is much greater.
No one can argue the fact that it is easier to predict how a senior may perform in 1 year, than a freshman will perform in 4 years...
Further the time horizon, more the risk -
that is the reason the majority of college lacrosse coaches do NOT offer verbals to freshman HS boys
We have seen parity in the sport since the Carolnas of the world keep leveling the playing field, with recruiting mistakes, while Lehigh and Loyola's recruiting patients have paid rich dividends
...and this is not "anecdotal"
We have seen parity in the sport since the Carolnas of the world keep leveling the playing field, with recruiting mistakes, while Lehigh and Loyola's recruiting patients have paid rich dividends
...and this is not "anecdotal"
Im confused.......Where are they patients......are they recruiting from a hospital??
Define "many kids that went D1 and transferred".
Please show the source of "many" and how they hate the grind.
Please do expand upon this weak claim which is mostly anecdotal, I am sure.
Look on the U tampa website...2 transfers that wanted to put lacrosse in proper perspective.
That is very true... But I want to hear more from the poster who insists that 14-15 year old boys are fully developed physically and emotionally.... Cause that is good stuff
Define "many kids that went D1 and transferred".
Please show the source of "many" and how they hate the grind.
Please do expand upon this weak claim which is mostly anecdotal, I am sure.
Look on the U tampa website...2 transfers that wanted to put lacrosse in proper perspective.
Couple that transferred to Cabrini, know of another at MD that gave up lax and left the school. No, not the one you think, but him too. Another at Stony Brook. I could go on. I'm sure if you researched it, you would be very surprised. Please understand, not knocking anyone's kid by any stretch. Just making the point that it is a very tough road. I commend those that can do it, and find fulfillment. I feel for the kids that for whatever reason it doesn't work out. Surely it is difficult for them. However, in some cases they may be much happier!
I didn't bite when a college coach sang the same song in an interview with my son...this is my profession, my job, not my hobby, been doing this since before you were born.
Lacrosse coaches are interested in keeping their jobs, which means winning. Some think that a mercenary approach to bet big earliest will pay off. So far, it hasn't. The poster above is right. Look at what Loyola and some other Patriot Conference leans have done. Look at what some of the rising Ivies are doing. Look at what Duke is doing. It is worth the world to wait and see how a kid develops through and a Summer beyond at least a Summer. Dueling philosophies, yes...but the above poster is right. Decent evidence is in that the programs rising are waiting, and the sacred cows that are all in with early recruiting are declining. Knowing nothing of the pipeline in NY, I could assure that a lot of the current IAC commits coming out of MD this year and in thr next few are the greatest story ever sold. Name the last IAC player who did anything at UNC or UVa. Bray Malphrus? Literally dozens of IAC players just taking up spots and dead money. Plenty made some plays that involved law enforcement. ..but just keeping it polite. A polite joke made to me, and IAC player's Dad. Thank god my kid is a good student considering all this early recruiting stuff may not be all that for him.
Just one quick thought; Why would we think that any new incoming coach would release the former coach's commitments? Would he not have to scramble to fill spots, with players who are headed elsewhere?
That is very true... But I want to hear more from the poster who insists that 14-15 year old boys are fully developed physically and emotionally.... Cause that is good stuff
Most boys will reach their adult height before their 16th birthday. They will continue to "fill out" for a few more years. Kind of like a puppy at 6 months. As for emotional, some are mature at 15 some will not mature till 30, or maybe never. Academically, you will have a VERY good idea what type of student you are dealing with by the end of Freshman year. Kind of like having a VERY good idea what type of lacrosse player the kid is by that same time. Not saying their aren't exceptions to all my points, just stating on average.
What was the score? Did you see the game? Future does not bode well for St. A's - the 2018 Chaminade class looks to be much more stacked than does the St. A's 2018 class.
Forgive me but arent the 2018's only 8th graders and not in Chaminade and St A's yet?
That is very true... But I want to hear more from the poster who insists that 14-15 year old boys are fully developed physically and emotionally.... Cause that is good stuff
Most boys will reach their adult height before their 16th birthday. They will continue to "fill out" for a few more years. Kind of like a puppy at 6 months. As for emotional, some are mature at 15 some will not mature till 30, or maybe never. Academically, you will have a VERY good idea what type of student you are dealing with by the end of Freshman year. Kind of like having a VERY good idea what type of lacrosse player the kid is by that same time. Not saying their aren't exceptions to all my points, just stating on average.
..so would one agree that; "there are exceptions to most every rule, and quoting one or two students' testimony regarding D1 schools, or Michael Jordan's late start at basketball, may not determine FACT for all kids/ athletes?
That is very true... But I want to hear more from the poster who insists that 14-15 year old boys are fully developed physically and emotionally.... Cause that is good stuff
Most boys will reach their adult height before their 16th birthday. They will continue to "fill out" for a few more years. Kind of like a puppy at 6 months. As for emotional, some are mature at 15 some will not mature till 30, or maybe never. Academically, you will have a VERY good idea what type of student you are dealing with by the end of Freshman year. Kind of like having a VERY good idea what type of lacrosse player the kid is by that same time. Not saying their aren't exceptions to all my points, just stating on average.
Be careful of averages. Boys are a different animal. I know a few kids in our well regarded district who in MS were 95 avg kids. Slipped to 90-91 freshman year and will graduate at about 88-89. Not something to slit ones wrists over, but some boys tend to get distracted later in HS. GIRLS, friends, parties, etc. You can only control so much. If your lucky enough to have a kid who is really driven in the classroom, that's great. Just beware, things change sometimes.
MThart boys will reach their adult height before their 16th birthday. They will continue to "fill out" for a few more years. Kind of like a puppy at 6 months. As for emotional, some are mature at 15 some will not mature till 30, or maybe never. Academically, you will have a VERY good idea what type of student you are dealing with by the end of Freshman year. Kind of like having a VERY good idea what type of lacrosse player the kid is by that same time. Not saying their aren't exceptions to all my points, just stating on average. [/quote]
Trusting the AMA and NIH, you are correct. Over 93% of boys are their mature height by and of 16th year. Isn't that when they are HS Spring sophomore or Fall juniors? Or when they are supposed to be without the sissy repeat grade stuff. That said, the highest rate of male muscle mass add is between 16 and 19. At 19 the non-vertical growth plates (rib cage) mature. That is when they are entered in college again assuming that the kid is not a grade repeater. In terms of maturity, I don't acknowledge your point at all. 14 year olds want to commit to Ohio State because the play on ESPNU and have cool uniforms. Or at least my 14 year old did. If after private schools he went to Ohio State I would just as soon jump off a bridge.
Yes, there is such a thing as a talented and smart 14 year old. Hard stop. They are just kids and and no way are mature in any of the ways you assert except for the point about being a smart/good student. At this point I know my oldest is a great student and my youngest is not. What is between your ears does not extrapolate to the physical or the maturity factors.
Being that this is a 2017 thread, do many districts "bring up" freshmen to Varsity, only to have them sit out completely, while they could help on JV? I've been hearing about this more lately. It seems as if the kid could be doing better for his school, playing, rather than watching.
When Tambroni took over at Penn St., he rescinded all verbals and recruited his own kids. That's why one of the most important question is will that coach be there?
Thats true, Tambroni did that. But what about Harvard? The current Harvard coach honored all the prior commits that were made before he was hired. So maybe you should mention that unless you didn't know. Which you probably didnt.
The thread was implying that rescinding verbals was a very rare occurrence. I brought up the Penn St example as an effort to point out it happens more than we would all like to admit. And it should be noted, a verbal to the ivy admission process is different than the Penn St situation.
Tambroni did that because the former coach was reckless in his commits prior to his departure and the program was in very bad shape. Not all the verbals were rescinded, just reevaluated. You can't expect a new coach to wait 4 years before they bring their own pics in when trying to rebuild. Granted they had a tough year, but the program is on an upswing. Some very good recruits coming in next year. Same will most likely happen when others coaches leave. I would expect that the majority of recruits will be retained in most cases.
Being that this is a 2017 thread, do many districts "bring up" freshmen to Varsity, only to have them sit out completely, while they could help on JV? I've been hearing about this more lately. It seems as if the kid could be doing better for his school, playing, rather than watching.
This happens in many districts, very bad for the kids, they start the season excited and their spirits are broken as time goes on. Freshman should not be brought onto varsity when the coach has no intentions of playing them!
So is there a "magic" HS GPA score that gets you into nearly every school?I guess what I am asking, the coach asks your GPA, and you say 93, at NESCAC or Ivy or Patriot school, do you get in? or are these schools looking for 96+? I assume there is a sliding scale on just how talented the player is, but is there a GPA minimum number that if you are entertaining these schools you have to be above?
That is very true... But I want to hear more from the poster who insists that 14-15 year old boys are fully developed physically and emotionally.... Cause that is good stuff
Most boys will reach their adult height before their 16th birthday. They will continue to "fill out" for a few more years. Kind of like a puppy at 6 months. As for emotional, some are mature at 15 some will not mature till 30, or maybe never. Academically, you will have a VERY good idea what type of student you are dealing with by the end of Freshman year. Kind of like having a VERY good idea what type of lacrosse player the kid is by that same time. Not saying their aren't exceptions to all my points, just stating on average.
..so would one agree that; "there are exceptions to most every rule, and quoting one or two students' testimony regarding D1 schools, or Michael Jordan's late start at basketball, may not determine FACT for all kids/ athletes?
Michael Jordan is probably one of the most famous examples but the examples are NOT exceptions. The MLB, NFL and NHL are littered with these players. NBA a little different because the rosters are so small but they are there. What you fail to mention is that many kids also peak athletically at this time. The people who support early commits can always find fault with reason or just fall back on the jealousy line. Time will tell what happens with the early recruiting because it is so new. Lacrosse is the rare sport that seems to be handing out these early commitments to freshman more than any other sport.
Being that this is a 2017 thread, do many districts "bring up" freshmen to Varsity, only to have them sit out completely, while they could help on JV? I've been hearing about this more lately. It seems as if the kid could be doing better for his school, playing, rather than watching.
Different theories on this. My kid is a 2017 (not held back) and plays Varsity on a perrenial tri-state lacrosse power. He is seeing the field, but in a relatively limited way. I believe he is getting much better due to the practices and playing with bigger, strong, faster, better players than he otherwise would at the JV or Varsity level. I think the trade off in playing time (less on Varsity) is worth it as he is no doubt getting much better. Just one man's opinion, not there there is one right or wrong school of thought.
So is there a "magic" HS GPA score that gets you into nearly every school?I guess what I am asking, the coach asks your GPA, and you say 93, at NESCAC or Ivy or Patriot school, do you get in? or are these schools looking for 96+? I assume there is a sliding scale on just how talented the player is, but is there a GPA minimum number that if you are entertaining these schools you have to be above?
The gpa question is a good one. Most schools regardless of ability have minimum requirements and or both sat/act scores. Then you need a certain grade to be eligible. Schools will work,with the more talented player but there is only so much a coach can do. Especially lacrosse because it isn't a money maker.
Tambroni did that because the former coach was reckless in his commits prior to his departure and the program was in very bad shape. Not all the verbals were rescinded, just reevaluated. You can't expect a new coach to wait 4 years before they bring their own pics in when trying to rebuild. Granted they had a tough year, but the program is on an upswing. Some very good recruits coming in next year. Same will most likely happen when others coaches leave. I would expect that the majority of recruits will be retained in most cases. [/quote]
Tambroni did that because he inherited a program in tough shape, he is under pressure to perform and you can't expect that he or another coach would wait through 4 years of onboarding players from the prior coach's recruiting efforts.
Doesn't that sound like more of what we could guess is the AVERAGE inheritance of a D1 program after the prior guy leaves? I think it is more the instance that at Harvard, you get a very isolated strata of recruits, and that is a school that recruits great students who are also athletes. Harvard, I would presume to be more the exception than the rule...but I suppose we are the guinea pig class and some of our families will find out if the coach who offered spot to our kids are out before Fall 2018. And that is a looooong time.
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So is there a "magic" HS GPA score that gets you into nearly every school?I guess what I am asking, the coach asks your GPA, and you say 93, at NESCAC or Ivy or Patriot school, do you get in? or are these schools looking for 96+? I assume there is a sliding scale on just how talented the player is, but is there a GPA minimum number that if you are entertaining these schools you have to be above?
The gpa question is a good one. Most schools regardless of ability have minimum requirements and or both sat/act scores. Then you need a certain grade to be eligible. Schools will work,with the more talented player but there is only so much a coach can do. Especially lacrosse because it isn't a money maker.
Ivy's use AI (academic index) and you can google it to find out how to calculate. Also, don't forget that High school profiles also are very important
So is there a "magic" HS GPA score that gets you into nearly every school?I guess what I am asking, the coach asks your GPA, and you say 93, at NESCAC or Ivy or Patriot school, do you get in? or are these schools looking for 96+? I assume there is a sliding scale on just how talented the player is, but is there a GPA minimum number that if you are entertaining these schools you have to be above?
The gpa question is a good one. Most schools regardless of ability have minimum requirements and or both sat/act scores. Then you need a certain grade to be eligible. Schools will work,with the more talented player but there is only so much a coach can do. Especially lacrosse because it isn't a money maker.
Google "Academic Index" it is a formulaic way to measure GPA, Class Rank and Standardized Test Score - a 240 point scale. Above 200 is really good. Above 210 paired with a Blue Chip Lacrosse resume should get you into the Ivies. No Guarantees but a good indicator.
also depends on the strength of the jv team and the level of lacrosse your kid is capable of. if he is not going to play I would keep him down. let him develop some leadership abilities instead of water bottle boy or ball boy.
Define "many kids that went D1 and transferred".
Please show the source of "many" and how they hate the grind.
Please do expand upon this weak claim which is mostly anecdotal, I am sure.
Look on the U tampa website...2 transfers that wanted to put lacrosse in proper perspective.
Yup....2 players equal "many"....and Tampa is a well known center for higher education...they def put lax in perspective with that move.
I didn't bite when a college coach sang the same song in an interview with my son...this is my profession, my job, not my hobby, been doing this since before you were born.
Lacrosse coaches are interested in keeping their jobs, which means winning. Some think that a mercenary approach to bet big earliest will pay off. So far, it hasn't. The poster above is right. Look at what Loyola and some other Patriot Conference leans have done. Look at what some of the rising Ivies are doing. Look at what Duke is doing. It is worth the world to wait and see how a kid develops through and a Summer beyond at least a Summer. Dueling philosophies, yes...but the above poster is right. Decent evidence is in that the programs rising are waiting, and the sacred cows that are all in with early recruiting are declining. Knowing nothing of the pipeline in NY, I could assure that a lot of the current IAC commits coming out of MD this year and in thr next few are the greatest story ever sold. Name the last IAC player who did anything at UNC or UVa. Bray Malphrus? Literally dozens of IAC players just taking up spots and dead money. Plenty made some plays that involved law enforcement. ..but just keeping it polite. A polite joke made to me, and IAC player's Dad. Thank god my kid is a good student considering all this early recruiting stuff may not be all that for him.
Waiting was not an option for those schools. All of the early blue chip players were snatched up early by the tier 1 schools. The rest needed to develop prior to other schools perusing them. Don't kid yourself into thinking these other schools do not try to speak with potential early commits. The facts are that the great players choose the great schools first. The rest of the second tier schools make due with what is left and these players are to be re evaluated as their games and physicality mature.
Tambroni did that because the former coach was reckless in his commits prior to his departure and the program was in very bad shape. Not all the verbals were rescinded, just reevaluated. You can't expect a new coach to wait 4 years before they bring their own pics in when trying to rebuild. Granted they had a tough year, but the program is on an upswing. Some very good recruits coming in next year. Same will most likely happen when others coaches leave. I would expect that the majority of recruits will be retained in most cases.
Tambroni did that because he inherited a program in tough shape, he is under pressure to perform and you can't expect that he or another coach would wait through 4 years of onboarding players from the prior coach's recruiting efforts.
Doesn't that sound like more of what we could guess is the AVERAGE inheritance of a D1 program after the prior guy leaves? I think it is more the instance that at Harvard, you get a very isolated strata of recruits, and that is a school that recruits great students who are also athletes. Harvard, I would presume to be more the exception than the rule...but I suppose we are the guinea pig class and some of our families will find out if the coach who offered spot to our kids are out before Fall 2018. And that is a looooong time. [/quote]
Isn't this ironic given that most coaches and parents tell the kids to pick the school that they would want to be at not because of the lacrosse but in the case where they blow out their knee and can never play again.
Define "many kids that went D1 and transferred".
Please show the source of "many" and how they hate the grind.
Please do expand upon this weak claim which is mostly anecdotal, I am sure.
Look on the U tampa website...2 transfers that wanted to put lacrosse in proper perspective.
And your kid attends which high academic institution........ And plays what position
Yup....2 players equal "many"....and Tampa is a well known center for higher education...they def put lax in perspective with that move.
Define "many kids that went D1 and transferred".
Please show the source of "many" and how they hate the grind.
Please do expand upon this weak claim which is mostly anecdotal, I am sure.
Look on the U tampa website...2 transfers that wanted to put lacrosse in proper perspective.
And your kid attends which high academic institution........ And plays what position
Yup....2 players equal "many"....and Tampa is a well known center for higher education...they def put lax in perspective with that move.
First: learn how to use the quote option. Clearly that wasn't taught at your institution of higher learning.
Second: it's none of your business as to which of the IVY's he attends nor his position as that is not relative to your claim of "many" D1 kids bail.
Do the math: 61 D1 programs with approx 44 players per team. 2 bailing here to tampa and a few more to other programs do not = "many". There is attrition in every discipline in college. Lacrosse is not the rate limiting step in this equation. There are myriad reasons as to why this will occur to 10's of 1000's of students each year across the nation.
Do not try to equate leaving a D1 lax school for any other reason than "life happens".
What was the score? Did you see the game? Future does not bode well for St. A's - the 2018 Chaminade class looks to be much more stacked than does the St. A's 2018 class.
Forgive me but arent the 2018's only 8th graders and not in Chaminade and St A's yet?
So I heard the StA freshman team is headed to Princeton to play a New Canaan and they are in a school bus? I'm sure the parents are happy to see their $9K being put to good use for their kids.
Define "many kids that went D1 and transferred".
Please show the source of "many" and how they hate the grind.
Please do expand upon this weak claim which is mostly anecdotal, I am sure.
Look on the U tampa website...2 transfers that wanted to put lacrosse in proper perspective.
And your kid attends which high academic institution........ And plays what position
Yup....2 players equal "many"....and Tampa is a well known center for higher education...they def put lax in perspective with that move.
First: learn how to use the quote option. Clearly that wasn't taught at your institution of higher learning.
Second: it's none of your business as to which of the IVY's he attends nor his position as that is not relative to your claim of "many" D1 kids bail.
Do the math: 61 D1 programs with approx 44 players per team. 2 bailing here to tampa and a few more to other programs do not = "many". There is attrition in every discipline in college. Lacrosse is not the rate limiting step in this equation. There are myriad reasons as to why this will occur to 10's of 1000's of students each year across the nation.
Do not try to equate leaving a D1 lax school for any other reason than "life happens".
I agree, thanks for pointing this out.
Define "many kids that went D1 and transferred".
Please show the source of "many" and how they hate the grind.
Please do expand upon this weak claim which is mostly anecdotal, I am sure.
Look on the U tampa website...2 transfers that wanted to put lacrosse in proper perspective.
And your kid attends which high academic institution........ And plays what position
Yup....2 players equal "many"....and Tampa is a well known center for higher education...they def put lax in perspective with that move.
First: learn how to use the quote option. Clearly that wasn't taught at your institution of higher learning.
Second: it's none of your business as to which of the IVY's he attends nor his position as that is not relative to your claim of "many" D1 kids bail.
Do the math: 61 D1 programs with approx 44 players per team. 2 bailing here to tampa and a few more to other programs do not = "many". There is attrition in every discipline in college. Lacrosse is not the rate limiting step in this equation. There are myriad reasons as to why this will occur to 10's of 1000's of students each year across the nation.
Do not try to equate leaving a D1 lax school for any other reason than "life happens".
I agree, thanks for pointing this out.
Easy lax guru. 67 D1 teams, 69 next year with U Mass Lowell and NJIT coming on. Might want to check a few facts. You might be surprised how many kids leave freshman/sophomore year. Better make sure the kids are going to a school they like first, academics second, lax third. This goes for D,1,2 and 3.
What was the score? Did you see the game? Future does not bode well for St. A's - the 2018 Chaminade class looks to be much more stacked than does the St. A's 2018 class.
Forgive me but arent the 2018's only 8th graders and not in Chaminade and St A's yet?
So I heard the StA freshman team is headed to Princeton to play a New Canaan and they are in a school bus? I'm sure the parents are happy to see their $9K being put to good use for their kids.
How does the world look through your green little eyes.
Define "many kids that went D1 and transferred".
Please show the source of "many" and how they hate the grind.
Please do expand upon this weak claim which is mostly anecdotal, I am sure.
Look on the U tampa website...2 transfers that wanted to put lacrosse in proper perspective.
And your kid attends which high academic institution........ And plays what position
Yup....2 players equal "many"....and Tampa is a well known center for higher education...they def put lax in perspective with that move.
First: learn how to use the quote option. Clearly that wasn't taught at your institution of higher learning.
Second: it's none of your business as to which of the IVY's he attends nor his position as that is not relative to your claim of "many" D1 kids bail.
Do the math: 61 D1 programs with approx 44 players per team. 2 bailing here to tampa and a few more to other programs do not = "many". There is attrition in every discipline in college. Lacrosse is not the rate limiting step in this equation. There are myriad reasons as to why this will occur to 10's of 1000's of students each year across the nation.
Do not try to equate leaving a D1 lax school for any other reason than "life happens".
Hey, I could not help butting in, but the remark about using the quote option. Would any institution of higher learning really support taking part in this? Come on, now......
Define "many kids that went D1 and transferred".
Please show the source of "many" and how they hate the grind.
Please do expand upon this weak claim which is mostly anecdotal, I am sure.
Look on the U tampa website...2 transfers that wanted to put lacrosse in proper perspective.
And your kid attends which high academic institution........ And plays what position
Yup....2 players equal "many"....and Tampa is a well known center for higher education...they def put lax in perspective with that move.
First: learn how to use the quote option. Clearly that wasn't taught at your institution of higher learning.
Second: it's none of your business as to which of the IVY's he attends nor his position as that is not relative to your claim of "many" D1 kids bail.
Do the math: 61 D1 programs with approx 44 players per team. 2 bailing here to tampa and a few more to other programs do not = "many". There is attrition in every discipline in college. Lacrosse is not the rate limiting step in this equation. There are myriad reasons as to why this will occur to 10's of 1000's of students each year across the nation.
Do not try to equate leaving a D1 lax school for any other reason than "life happens".
Hey, I could not help butting in, but the remark about using the quote option. Would any institution of higher learning really support taking part in this? Come on, now......
Just havin' fun... :-)
What was the score? Did you see the game? Future does not bode well for St. A's - the 2018 Chaminade class looks to be much more stacked than does the St. A's 2018 class.
Forgive me but arent the 2018's only 8th graders and not in Chaminade and St A's yet?
So I heard the StA freshman team is headed to Princeton to play a New Canaan and they are in a school bus? I'm sure the parents are happy to see their $9K being put to good use for their kids.
That is a nominee for dumb comment of the week
School kids on a school bus! That is no way to treat these Freshman Athletes!!!
What are they using that tuition money for? Books? Teachers?
You mean my freshman athlete can play a quality tri-state opponent and do it on the fields at Princeton. Where do I need to drop him off for that school bus and what time does it leave
School kids on a school bus! That is no way to treat these Freshman Athletes!!!
What are they using that tuition money for? Books? Teachers?
I understand your point and sarcasm. I have no problem with it, but you might be missing my point. The money people HAVE TO SPEND on everything at that school they should at least do the right thing by these young players.
Seems like a long ride for 35 to 45 players that are 14 & 15 year olds with gear in a school bus. "Lord" knows they have the money.
I second the notion....
Although the dumbest post of the week, has plenty of competition
Are you suggesting stretch limos or helicopters??
.... And you wonder why "some" kids around here get their heir of entitlement
School kids on a school bus! That is no way to treat these Freshman Athletes!!!
What are they using that tuition money for? Books? Teachers?
I understand your point and sarcasm. I have no problem with it, but you might be missing my point. The money people HAVE TO SPEND on everything at that school they should at least do the right thing by these young players.
The boys played some good lax in great weather and watched the Princeton game for free. Your little green eyes and big mouth have nominated you the idiot of the week.
Seems like a long ride for 35 to 45 players that are 14 & 15 year olds with gear in a school bus. "Lord" knows they have the money.
If Chaminade costs $9K, then the only idiots on this board are us...the Maryland people. The private "lacrosse schools" here are between $30K and $40K. Makes us feel pretty dumb.
School kids on a school bus! That is no way to treat these Freshman Athletes!!!
What are they using that tuition money for? Books? Teachers?
I understand your point and sarcasm. I have no problem with it, but you might be missing my point. The money people HAVE TO SPEND on everything at that school they should at least do the right thing by these young players.
Seems like a long ride for 35 to 45 players that are 14 & 15 year olds with gear in a school bus. "Lord" knows they have the money.
No we got your point and found it as well as your clarification ridiculous. give us the address so we can drop the dunce cap off at your place.
Who will be top 10 club teams 2017?
Wow!!! Please tell me that was a joke!!!
$30 grand for high school. You people are nuts.
Chaminade around $9000, st anthonys around $10000.
If Chaminade costs $9K, then the only idiots on this board are us...the Maryland people. The private "lacrosse schools" here are between $30K and $40K. Makes us feel pretty dumb.
Garden City, Mahasset, Ward Melville, Smithtown West, Massapequa, etc....all PUBLIC..costs you $0. Now how do you feel?
Wow!!! Please tell me that was a joke!!!
$30 grand for high school. You people are nuts.
Chaminade around $9000, st anthonys around $10000.
Chammy & St. Anthony's are less then $9k per year...
Who will be top 10 club teams 2017?
Total guess as it will not be played out until this summer (in no particular order I listed 13):
Dukes
Crabs
3D National
Turtles
Team 91
West Coast Starz
Leading Edge
Breakers
Madlax
VLC
Laxachussets
Patriot
Mesa Fresh
If Chaminade costs $9K, then the only idiots on this board are us...the Maryland people. The private "lacrosse schools" here are between $30K and $40K. Makes us feel pretty dumb.
Garden City, Mahasset, Ward Melville, Smithtown West, Massapequa, etc....all PUBLIC..costs you $0. Now how do you feel?
If Chaminade costs $9K, then the only idiots on this board are us...the Maryland people. The private "lacrosse schools" here are between $30K and $40K. Makes us feel pretty dumb.
Garden City, Mahasset, Ward Melville, Smithtown West, Massapequa, etc....all PUBLIC..costs you $0. Now how do you feel?
If Chaminade costs $9K, then the only idiots on this board are us...the Maryland people. The private "lacrosse schools" here are between $30K and $40K. Makes us feel pretty dumb.
Garden City, Mahasset, Ward Melville, Smithtown West, Massapequa, etc....all PUBLIC..costs you $0. Now how do you feel?
Hardly zero, we do pay some ridiculous school taxes up here. I know the private parents pay both freights- taxes and tuition. Yikes !
How big are the class sizes at those close to zero schools? I will pay 12k next year for my boy to attend a school that has an average class size of eleven. So I feel pretty good.
What about express? They're better than 90% of those teams
About 20 to 1. I'd rather keep the $12,000. That would feel a lot better!!!!
How big are the class sizes at those close to zero schools? I will pay 12k next year for my boy to attend a school that has an average class size of eleven. So I feel pretty good.
What will your boy do freshman year of college when there are 150 kids in his classes? If he goes to one the big schools that will surely be the case!
How big are the class sizes at those close to zero schools? I will pay 12k next year for my boy to attend a school that has an average class size of eleven. So I feel pretty good.
Went to a school like that myself- top notch education, but your top notch kids can get that from any of the great schools- public or private. We are very fortunate in LI to have top ranked public schools. A class of 20 students has it's benefits too- you learn from your peers as well as your teachers. Latin or economics with 6-12 kids a class was not all that it was cracked up to be.
If Chaminade costs $9K, then the only idiots on this board are us...the Maryland people. The private "lacrosse schools" here are between $30K and $40K. Makes us feel pretty dumb.
Garden City, Mahasset, Ward Melville, Smithtown West, Massapequa, etc....all PUBLIC..costs you $0. Now how do you feel?
$0 schools......hmmm...girls with tube tops and shorts that have their a$$ hanging out. Boys with jeans around their a$$ and underwear hanging out with t-shirts and backward baseball caps. Yea....i will pay tuition at Chammy or St A's. Lax lasts 4 years or so....education and respect.... a lifetime.
About 20 to 1. I'd rather keep the $12,000. That would feel a lot better!!!!
Average taxes in Garden City are $15k (most of that goes to the school district).
If you live in GC and send your son to Chaminade, it is really $9k plus whatever local school taxes you are paying that are attributable to your son (even if he isn't attending the high school, you still pay for it). Assuming you have only the one son, call it $19k in real dollars to send your kid to Chaminade.
Average class size is about the same, but it hardly matters when the students are disciplined. Chaminade could have a 100-1 student/teacher ratio and you would hear a pin drop in the classroom. Same at GCHS and Manhasset etc. If you have a bunch of undisciplined, under-parented dolts in the class, even a 10-1 ratio is meaningless if 8 of the kids are miscreants.
What about express? They're better than 90% of those teams
Does club ball even matter anymore? School ball than showcases. Nothing else matters at this age.
I think you have to throw True Blue in there...
How big are the class sizes at those close to zero schools? I will pay 12k next year for my boy to attend a school that has an average class size of eleven. So I feel pretty good.
Went to a school like that myself- top notch education, but your top notch kids can get that from any of the great schools- public or private. We are very fortunate in LI to have top ranked public schools. A class of 20 students has it's benefits too- you learn from your peers as well as your teachers. Latin or economics with 6-12 kids a class was not all that it was cracked up to be.
How big are the class sizes at those close to zero schools? I will pay 12k next year for my boy to attend a school that has an average class size of eleven. So I feel pretty good.
Went to a school like that myself- top notch education, but your top notch kids can get that from any of the great schools- public or private. We are very fortunate in LI to have top ranked public schools. A class of 20 students has it's benefits too- you learn from your peers as well as your teachers. Latin or economics with 6-12 kids a class was not all that it was cracked up to be.
I doubt it. Plus, this is boarding. So I'm really out a net six k or so when you figure the food I save. The public schools simply do not compare. Myth might not know that if you didn't go public.
How big are the class sizes at those close to zero schools? I will pay 12k next year for my boy to attend a school that has an average class size of eleven. So I feel pretty good.
Went to a school like that myself- top notch education, but your top notch kids can get that from any of the great schools- public or private. We are very fortunate in LI to have top ranked public schools. A class of 20 students has it's benefits too- you learn from your peers as well as your teachers. Latin or economics with 6-12 kids a class was not all that it was cracked up to be.
How big are the class sizes at those close to zero schools? I will pay 12k next year for my boy to attend a school that has an average class size of eleven. So I feel pretty good.
Went to a school like that myself- top notch education, but your top notch kids can get that from any of the great schools- public or private. We are very fortunate in LI to have top ranked public schools. A class of 20 students has it's benefits too- you learn from your peers as well as your teachers. Latin or economics with 6-12 kids a class was not all that it was cracked up to be.
I doubt it. Plus, this is boarding. So I'm really out a net six k or so when you figure the food I save. The public schools simply do not compare. Myth might not know that if you didn't go public.
$12k for a private boarding school ... what did you do, enlist him in the Marines?
How big are the class sizes at those close to zero schools? I will pay 12k next year for my boy to attend a school that has an average class size of eleven. So I feel pretty good.
Went to a school like that myself- top notch education, but your top notch kids can get that from any of the great schools- public or private. We are very fortunate in LI to have top ranked public schools. A class of 20 students has it's benefits too- you learn from your peers as well as your teachers. Latin or economics with 6-12 kids a class was not all that it was cracked up to be.
By the way, our local public is often on the US News top 100. Still does not compare to my son's private where most faculty have PhDs. And to be honest, while my kid is in the top one percent athletically, he is not a stellar student. Just above average. So it is worth it to get him to a better environment. My daughter is a great student and could thrive anywhere. So, the point is, it depends on the family, the kid, the circumstances, etc. But you already know that's, yet you guys cannot seem to refrain from acting like a bunch of middle school girls snarking on each other's clothes....glad I'm down here in VA.
How big are the class sizes at those close to zero schools? I will pay 12k next year for my boy to attend a school that has an average class size of eleven. So I feel pretty good.
Went to a school like that myself- top notch education, but your top notch kids can get that from any of the great schools- public or private. We are very fortunate in LI to have top ranked public schools. A class of 20 students has it's benefits too- you learn from your peers as well as your teachers. Latin or economics with 6-12 kids a class was not all that it was cracked up to be.
By the way, our local public is often on the US News top 100. Still does not compare to my son's private where most faculty have PhDs. And to be honest, while my kid is in the top one percent athletically, he is not a stellar student. Just above average. So it is worth it to get him to a better environment. My daughter is a great student and could thrive anywhere. So, the point is, it depends on the family, the kid, the circumstances, etc. But you already know that's, yet you guys cannot seem to refrain from acting like a bunch of middle school girls snarking on each other's clothes....glad I'm down here in VA.
Not at all- I agree with you- have to do what's best for your family. I've just seen the other side and I know there are pros and cons to each, as a PhD does not definitely make a stellar teacher, and a smaller class does not make a better environment. Pros and cons to each, but you have to find the right fit. Not everyone is as lucky as you and I with the options of excellent public schools. Having both options make it that much easier to find the right fit. Best of luck to your kids.
What about express? They're better than 90% of those teams
Really? Not based on the Fall. Admitedly summer will be a much better barometer. We shall see.
What about express? They're better than 90% of those teams
Does club ball even matter anymore? School ball than showcases. Nothing else matters at this age.
Yes it does. Top tournaments for 2017s not committed yet (a lot of kids) still matter without question. Showcases matter as well, particularly Maverick, Jake Reed, NSCLA Select or Adrenaline Black Card.
If Chaminade costs $9K, then the only idiots on this board are us...the Maryland people. The private "lacrosse schools" here are between $30K and $40K. Makes us feel pretty dumb.
Garden City, Mahasset, Ward Melville, Smithtown West, Massapequa, etc....all PUBLIC..costs you $0. Now how do you feel?
$0 schools......hmmm...girls with tube tops and shorts that have their a$$ hanging out. Boys with jeans around their a$$ and underwear hanging out with t-shirts and backward baseball caps. Yea....i will pay tuition at Chammy or St A's. Lax lasts 4 years or so....education and respect.... a lifetime.
So you are telling me you never saw the Brittany Spears video…
What about express? They're better than 90% of those teams
Does club ball even matter anymore? School ball than showcases. Nothing else matters at this age.
Yes it does. Top tournaments for 2017s not committed yet (a lot of kids) still matter without question. Showcases matter as well, particularly Maverick, Jake Reed, NSCLA Select or Adrenaline Black Card.
The poster DID say showcases matter, I agree that club ball doest matter that much anymore. Between showcases and prospect camps at colleges why deal with the club BS. I would think that a few schools want to still see you play with your club team to judge you, but the key is to shine as a individual at the BEST individual showcases against the best players and/or at prospect clinics.
What about express? They're better than 90% of those teams
Does club ball even matter anymore? School ball than showcases. Nothing else matters at this age.
If your on LI and go public it matters plenty. With the exception of a handful of schools, there is no other way to get exposure. You have to play in the tournaments and do the showcases. Especially if your a mid-level kid.
How big are the class sizes at those close to zero schools? I will pay 12k next year for my boy to attend a school that has an average class size of eleven. So I feel pretty good.
Went to a school like that myself- top notch education, but your top notch kids can get that from any of the great schools- public or private. We are very fortunate in LI to have top ranked public schools. A class of 20 students has it's benefits too- you learn from your peers as well as your teachers. Latin or economics with 6-12 kids a class was not all that it was cracked up to be.
By the way, our local public is often on the US News top 100. Still does not compare to my son's private where most faculty have PhDs. And to be honest, while my kid is in the top one percent athletically, he is not a stellar student. Just above average. So it is worth it to get him to a better environment. My daughter is a great student and could thrive anywhere. So, the point is, it depends on the family, the kid, the circumstances, etc. But you already know that's, yet you guys cannot seem to refrain from acting like a bunch of middle school girls snarking on each other's clothes....glad I'm down here in VA.
I agree, 100 percent. Where is you son committed?
Just looked at the Crabfeast website. Turtles now listed as participating in this tournament for 2017 teams. Will be interesting to see if any teams have caught up like some posters claim. Currently 39 teams listed. There now appears to be one spot left. Why isn't LIE playing in it?
How big are the class sizes at those close to zero schools? I will pay 12k next year for my boy to attend a school that has an average class size of eleven. So I feel pretty good.
Went to a school like that myself- top notch education, but your top notch kids can get that from any of the great schools- public or private. We are very fortunate in LI to have top ranked public schools. A class of 20 students has it's benefits too- you learn from your peers as well as your teachers. Latin or economics with 6-12 kids a class was not all that it was cracked up to be.
By the way, our local public is often on the US News top 100. Still does not compare to my son's private where most faculty have PhDs. And to be honest, while my kid is in the top one percent athletically, he is not a stellar student. Just above average. So it is worth it to get him to a better environment. My daughter is a great student and could thrive anywhere. So, the point is, it depends on the family, the kid, the circumstances, etc. But you already know that's, yet you guys cannot seem to refrain from acting like a bunch of middle school girls snarking on each other's clothes....glad I'm down here in VA.
I agree, 100 percent. Where is you son committed?
It is a school in central va. As to a prior poster who asked if if was military, if is not. The sticker price tuition is several times what I will pay. This school gives aid to a relatively large percentage of families, and we are lucky they are making it affordable for us.
Just looked at the Crabfeast website. Turtles now listed as participating in this tournament for 2017 teams. Will be interesting to see if any teams have caught up like some posters claim. Currently 39 teams listed. There now appears to be one spot left. Why isn't LIE playing in it?
Turtles will have their hands full this summer. Will be interesting.
What Tournaments will True Blue be playing this year? Don't see them any where?
Just looked at the Crabfeast website. Turtles now listed as participating in this tournament for 2017 teams. Will be interesting to see if any teams have caught up like some posters claim. Currently 39 teams listed. There now appears to be one spot left. Why isn't LIE playing in it?
The turtles are LIE so your question is answered.
How big are the class sizes at those close to zero schools? I will pay 12k next year for my boy to attend a school that has an average class size of eleven. So I feel pretty good.
Went to a school like that myself- top notch education, but your top notch kids can get that from any of the great schools- public or private. We are very fortunate in LI to have top ranked public schools. A class of 20 students has it's benefits too- you learn from your peers as well as your teachers. Latin or economics with 6-12 kids a class was not all that it was cracked up to be.
By the way, our local public is often on the US News top 100. Still does not compare to my son's private where most faculty have PhDs. And to be honest, while my kid is in the top one percent athletically, he is not a stellar student. Just above average. So it is worth it to get him to a better environment. My daughter is a great student and could thrive anywhere. So, the point is, it depends on the family, the kid, the circumstances, etc. But you already know that's, yet you guys cannot seem to refrain from acting like a bunch of middle school girls snarking on each other's clothes....glad I'm down here in VA.
I agree, 100 percent. Where is you son committed?
It is a school in central va. As to a prior poster who asked if if was military, if is not. The sticker price tuition is several times what I will pay. This school gives aid to a relatively large percentage of families, and we are lucky they are making it affordable for us.
What college is he committed to?
How big are the class sizes at those close to zero schools? I will pay 12k next year for my boy to attend a school that has an average class size of eleven. So I feel pretty good.
Went to a school like that myself- top notch education, but your top notch kids can get that from any of the great schools- public or private. We are very fortunate in LI to have top ranked public schools. A class of 20 students has it's benefits too- you learn from your peers as well as your teachers. Latin or economics with 6-12 kids a class was not all that it was cracked up to be.
By the way, our local public is often on the US News top 100. Still does not compare to my son's private where most faculty have PhDs. And to be honest, while my kid is in the top one percent athletically, he is not a stellar student. Just above average. So it is worth it to get him to a better environment. My daughter is a great student and could thrive anywhere. So, the point is, it depends on the family, the kid, the circumstances, etc. But you already know that's, yet you guys cannot seem to refrain from acting like a bunch of middle school girls snarking on each other's clothes....glad I'm down here in VA.
I agree, 100 percent. Where is you son committed?
It is a school in central va. As to a prior poster who asked if if was military, if is not. The sticker price tuition is several times what I will pay. This school gives aid to a relatively large percentage of families, and we are lucky they are making it affordable for us.
What college is he committed to?
None. He is in 8th grade.
True Blue did not do too much in the fall. Their team has a lot of multiple sport athletes that play high school football, basketball, hockey.
They will be stacked this year, with 9 boys playing on Chaminade and another 7 or 8 playing varsity
True Blue did not do too much in the fall. Their team has a lot of multiple sport athletes that play high school football, basketball, hockey.
They will be stacked this year, with 9 boys playing on Chaminade and another 7 or 8 playing varsity
How is that? I have been told (by the people on this site) that if you go to St Anthony's or Chaminade you have to play for Express.
Please explain.
True Blue did not do too much in the fall. Their team has a lot of multiple sport athletes that play high school football, basketball, hockey.
They will be stacked this year, with 9 boys playing on Chaminade and another 7 or 8 playing varsity
I assume you mean 9 are at Chaminade combined from both True Blue 2017 teams. Of the 9 how many are starters?
True Blue did not do too much in the fall. Their team has a lot of multiple sport athletes that play high school football, basketball, hockey.
They will be stacked this year, with 9 boys playing on Chaminade and another 7 or 8 playing varsity
I assume you mean 9 are at Chaminade combined from both True Blue 2017 teams. Of the 9 how many are starters?
didn't TB start out as a group trying to get a 2106 team together from players from Express from the bellmore-merrick area so they would keep a certain group of kids together. because this was the time 91 was evolving. Back when it was cheap to join and it was personal. TB then hit the jackpot and had a great following in 2017 by reaching out to players not happy or on second tier teams or lines (and from there gained momentum with good players who proved they were good are many older boys in the 2017 class).
2018 not to sure what happened with that age group, then another group of folks moved/stole players from another organization to make a great 2019 only to see them fall apart.
so if what you are saying is if you go to St A or Chaminade you must play on Express lets see how this develops. because I could see some of these players moving over. remember these folks are looking to get a better position for their sons. Lets see who can provide that opportunity.
If they are any good before they play JV at Chaminade they will be told it would be in their best interest to play Express. Some of the very talented get away with playing for fl$ because he wont punish the better players. Coach C at St Anthony's will also approach certain kids and make promises he cant keep to push kids to express but you have to remember Tru Blue controls the fields that Coach C uses so he does not want to [lacrosse] them off. What happened to Coach C retiring and moving to Maryland like he told people? Is he waiting to see what school his younger son will be tranferring too ??
If they are any good before they play JV at Chaminade they will be told it would be in their best interest to play Express. Some of the very talented get away with playing for fl$ because he wont punish the better players. Coach C at St Anthony's will also approach certain kids and make promises he cant keep to push kids to express but you have to remember Tru Blue controls the fields that Coach C uses so he does not want to [lacrosse] them off. What happened to Coach C retiring and moving to Maryland like he told people? Is he waiting to see what school his younger son will be tranferring too ??
Does the wind whistle through your head much? Not defending anything written about this subject however you clearly do not know what you are talking about. Be bitter about the direction our Country is going in and leave the lax for the kids.
After reading these boards and witnessing some real crap at games by coaches and parents is there any sportsmanship in Lacrosse? My youngest of three plays both Varsity and JV as a freshman he seems to be caught in the middle the best on JV but only a few runs each game when he plays varsity. He played JV the other day because varsity was cancelled and I am not sure wht was more deplorable a coach up 10 nothing in the fourth whose team goes man up for a 2 min unreleasable with 6 minutes left then scores three more goals only to follow this up by going man up with 57 seconds then proceeding to score again making it 15-0. Really are you kidding me? Then the parents going crzy after each score as the players celebrate as if they just won the NCAA title. This doesnt happen in most other sports because of retribution. MY oldest plays JR hockey and try this crap you find a body on the ice, my middle pitches for a baseball HS and excessive celebration means taking on too the ribs. Lacrosse does not have the ability to police itself in game I guess. I have seen this behavior in lacrosse more often than the other sports but that last game really took the top prize for being poor sports. You may say its sour grapes but it isnt that team was good and our team is not. the deserved to win but nobody deserves to get embarrassed.
Than on another point, it is entirely possible to play with kids who you are better than and look average too bad. When players stand around , cant catch a pass, throw a pass, run a simple give and go it is tough for any good player to excel at any team sport.
Just venting as it was all I could do not to confront some jerk of a father screaming and yelling at the ref at the players then going crazy each goal was scored up ten.
I guess that would break the myth of at least Chaminade requiring players to join express club team
...and I think it recently changed with an Anthony's coach recently departed
Tell me in one year where these True Blue Chaminade Kids will be.
It still kind of matters about club... Recommendations, follow up looks from coaches, and extra practices, etc... But you are right in thinking its less important
Ha! Yeah, that will be the real test
Chaminade has 91 players that stayed with their teams. Do they try to sway them too?
How about all that great CHARACTER building going on at our Catholic HS which people pay big $$
4 students expelled for racially inappropriate behavior!!
Should have stayed public! At least the spoiled brats can't graduate now!
How about all that great CHARACTER building going on at our Catholic HS which people pay big $$
4 students expelled for racially inappropriate behavior!!
Should have stayed public! At least the spoiled brats can't graduate now!
Go tell that to your boss...he/she probably graduated from one of those schools....
How about all that great CHARACTER building going on at our Catholic HS which people pay big $$
4 students expelled for racially inappropriate behavior!!
Should have stayed public! At least the spoiled brats can't graduate now!
Don't agree with what they did, but punishment does not fit the crime. Way over the top reaction. The confederate flag is part of our history, like it or not. Further, those kids who had things on their personal social media sites, that has nothing to do with the school. If it were my kid, I would not be happy or condone the behavior. However, I would fight this tooth and nail. You can't destroy a kid for some silly pranks. The kids made some bad choices and that's wrong, the reaction is equally wrong. The only people who win here are the politically correct police.
How about all that great CHARACTER building going on at our Catholic HS which people pay big $$
4 students expelled for racially inappropriate behavior!!
Should have stayed public! At least the spoiled brats can't graduate now!
Ironic with all ranting about how great private is! Go crawl under a rock now! Disgusting behavior! Try getting into a good college now!
Totally ridiculous how in this day of age every action has a loop hole to reprimand and control people , the actions taken by the School will now have to deal with this in court . I am sure if the kids marched around the hallway with a kid strapped to a crucifix representing a religious occurrence with Jesus they would not have a problem with that , but do your history lesson reenactment on confederates in the south that reenactment becomes offensive.
Total non-sense !
How about all that great CHARACTER building going on at our Catholic HS which people pay big $$
4 students expelled for racially inappropriate behavior!!
Should have stayed public! At least the spoiled brats can't graduate now!
Don't agree with what they did, but punishment does not fit the crime. Way over the top reaction. The confederate flag is part of our history, like it or not. Further, those kids who had things on their personal social media sites, that has nothing to do with the school. If it were my kid, I would not be happy or condone the behavior. However, I would fight this tooth and nail. You can't destroy a kid for some silly pranks. The kids made some bad choices and that's wrong, the reaction is equally wrong. The only people who win here are the politically correct police.
What school are you talking about? Or was the intent just to smear all Catholic schools with your truncated "summary" of these "facts"?
All you people ripping Catholic Schools and grouping them all together have no clue. Chaminade and St Anthony's are two totally different worlds. Not to say kids are not expelled at Chaminade but there is a reason the word private is used. Last thing like the principle said each kid signed an agreement / code of conduct before entering and if you want to try and take a chance and go against them good luck. Since they are PRIVATE SCHOOLS it is their way or the highway. Good luck fighting that.
How about all that great CHARACTER building going on at our Catholic HS which people pay big $$
4 students expelled for racially inappropriate behavior!!
Should have stayed public! At least the spoiled brats can't graduate now!
Ironic with all ranting about how great private is! Go crawl under a rock now! Disgusting behavior! Try getting into a good college now!
Were these kids lax players?
Really look no further than Express Blue 2015. There are kids committed to D1 schools on the roster that attend Chaminade. YES I SAID BLUE TEAM NOT ORANGE. Why ??? Because that is the team the Chaminade coach coaches in the summer. Look at the remainder of the roster as well. 85% are Chaminade kids
Just want to know whats everyone's opinions are on these 2 events. National 175 and Top 205 and if you or anyone you know attended.
A lot of people who played on good travel teams were invited to tryout for a new team in the summer called BE THE BEST, I don't if anyone remembers this, but if you do, do you know if they actually have a team for class of 2017?
Totally ridiculous how in this day of age every action has a loop hole to reprimand and control people , the actions taken by the School will now have to deal with this in court . I am sure if the kids marched around the hallway with a kid strapped to a crucifix representing a religious occurrence with Jesus they would not have a problem with that , but do your history lesson reenactment on confederates in the south that reenactment becomes offensive.
Total non-sense !
Yup! Should've stayed in public school - at least there they would've gotten away with it where there ARE no consequences for ones actions!!!!! Come on man, you can't be serious!!
How about all that great CHARACTER building going on at our Catholic HS which people pay big $$
4 students expelled for racially inappropriate behavior!!
Should have stayed public! At least the spoiled brats can't graduate now!
Don't agree with what they did, but punishment does not fit the crime. Way over the top reaction. The confederate flag is part of our history, like it or not. Further, those kids who had things on their personal social media sites, that has nothing to do with the school. If it were my kid, I would not be happy or condone the behavior. However, I would fight this tooth and nail. You can't destroy a kid for some silly pranks. The kids made some bad choices and that's wrong, the reaction is equally wrong. The only people who win here are the politically correct police.
This is not true! 2015 express blue is coached by a st. Anthonys coach not Chaminade.
Not sure but I know they have a legit 2015 team and a 2020 team. Team use to be the Jr Lizards but the moved over. The Coach moved and they all followed. He is a very good coach and runs a good program. He keeps the numbers low so there is never any playing time problems. I think 6 of the players are D1 commits. The 2020 came over from the Jesters. Same situation the coach came over and most followed.
Last year the team was coached by BOTH when they showed up but certain kids were told they had to play. My son was on the team and was "asked" to play and expected Chaminade coach to be more involved. He was around and showed for some but not enough.
All you people ripping Catholic Schools and grouping them all together have no clue. Chaminade and St Anthony's are two totally different worlds. Not to say kids are not expelled at Chaminade but there is a reason the word private is used. Last thing like the principle said each kid signed an agreement / code of conduct before entering and if you want to try and take a chance and go against them good luck. Since they are PRIVATE SCHOOLS it is their way or the highway. Good luck fighting that.
All true. Those students needed to live up to a certain standard to which they and their parents agreed. Just in case anyone is wondering social media now also falls under the schools for discipline regardless when or where it happens. This just started this year. A student can harass another over the web on a Saturday night 1am and the school will still be held responsible for the actions. The NYSED figured this was a great idea. These students made a mistake and mistake that ended up with them expelled. This couldve happened at any school it is not isolated to the private schools. This will be a hard lesson learned. I am sure that this is not reflective of the entire student body of St Anthonys AND NO I do not have a child there.
Not sure but I know they have a legit 2015 team and a 2020 team. Team use to be the Jr Lizards but the moved over. The Coach moved and they all followed. He is a very good coach and runs a good program. He keeps the numbers low so there is never any playing time problems. I think 6 of the players are D1 commits. The 2020 came over from the Jesters. Same situation the coach came over and most followed.
Is the Be the Best involved with fl$? If you clink on the Be the Best banner above, it brings you to the fl$ site.
NO something wrong there. If I find info I will post it. Like I said not flashy program but get it done.
All you people ripping Catholic Schools and grouping them all together have no clue. Chaminade and St Anthony's are two totally different worlds. Not to say kids are not expelled at Chaminade but there is a reason the word private is used. Last thing like the principle said each kid signed an agreement / code of conduct before entering and if you want to try and take a chance and go against them good luck. Since they are PRIVATE SCHOOLS it is their way or the highway. Good luck fighting that.
Use your head, you invested $40,000 with the school over four years for a diploma. You paid for it. Now at the eleventh hour it's taken away because of a subjective interpretation of a behavior code? Don't think that would hold up in a legal challenge.
All you people ripping Catholic Schools and grouping them all together have no clue. Chaminade and St Anthony's are two totally different worlds. Not to say kids are not expelled at Chaminade but there is a reason the word private is used. Last thing like the principle said each kid signed an agreement / code of conduct before entering and if you want to try and take a chance and go against them good luck. Since they are PRIVATE SCHOOLS it is their way or the highway. Good luck fighting that.
Use your head, you invested $40,000 with the school over four years for a diploma. You paid for it. Now at the eleventh hour it's taken away because of a subjective interpretation
of a behavior code? Don't think that would hold up in a legal challenge.
Where is the subjective interpretation? The students either broke the behavior iced or not. The code should be black and white not being up for anyone's interpretation. The students and parents signed off on the code. The private school has every right to expel them. What exactly is the legal challenge? Not only were the students expelled their actions will follow them to their college choices.
Totally ridiculous how in this day of age every action has a loop hole to reprimand and control people , the actions taken by the School will now have to deal with this in court . I am sure if the kids marched around the hallway with a kid strapped to a crucifix representing a religious occurrence with Jesus they would not have a problem with that , but do your history lesson reenactment on confederates in the south that reenactment becomes offensive.
Total non-sense !
What is more ridiculous?? Carrying a flag (not a crime) or Newsday's immediate play to the race card??
How about all that great CHARACTER building going on at our Catholic HS which people pay big $$
4 students expelled for racially inappropriate behavior!!
Should have stayed public! At least the spoiled brats can't graduate now!
Don't agree with what they did, but punishment does not fit the crime. Way over the top reaction. The confederate flag is part of our history, like it or not. Further, those kids who had things on their personal social media sites, that has nothing to do with the school. If it were my kid, I would not be happy or condone the behavior. However, I would fight this tooth and nail. You can't destroy a kid for some silly pranks. The kids made some bad choices and that's wrong, the reaction is equally wrong. The only people who win here are the politically correct police.
How about all that great CHARACTER building going on at our Catholic HS which people pay big $$
4 students expelled for racially inappropriate behavior!!
Should have stayed public! At least the spoiled brats can't graduate now!
Ironic with all ranting about how great private is! Go crawl under a rock now! Disgusting behavior! Try getting into a good college now!
The fact that this happened speaks to the character of the students involved. The fact the school delt with it in a swift and decisive manner speaks to the character to the school. You would not get that integrity in a public school, to much red tape.
And as far as the school being taken to court, don't count on it. This is a private institution. Every student is given a student hand book with a code of conduct. The consequences are clearly spelled out for this type of misconduct. Students agree to these guide lines when they pay their tuition..
All you people ripping Catholic Schools and grouping them all together have no clue. Chaminade and St Anthony's are two totally different worlds. Not to say kids are not expelled at Chaminade but there is a reason the word private is used. Last thing like the principle said each kid signed an agreement / code of conduct before entering and if you want to try and take a chance and go against them good luck. Since they are PRIVATE SCHOOLS it is their way or the highway. Good luck fighting that.
Use your head, you invested $40,000 with the school over four years for a diploma. You paid for it. Now at the eleventh hour it's taken away because of a subjective interpretation
of a behavior code? Don't think that would hold up in a legal challenge.
Where is the subjective interpretation? The students either broke the behavior iced or not. The code should be black and white not being up for anyone's interpretation. The students and parents signed off on the code. The private school has every right to expel them. What exactly is the legal challenge? Not only were the students expelled their actions will follow them to their college choices.
Do you really think the behavior code said no carrying of flags? If the kid was carrying a Mexican flag, would that be ok? What about a Russian flag? A flag of Japan? How about an Al Qiada flag? Would the kid be expelled for carrying any of those flags? NO. That would be SUBJECTIVE INTERPERTATION of a behavior code. For some people the Stars and Bars is nothing more than a piece of American History. Others have decided to make it a calling card for racism. Sorry to inform you, but the Civil War was fought for many other reasons. The North and the South did not go to war just because of slavery.
In business, (and when you charge $40k for something it's a business arrangement) you can't decide to forgo your side of the deal at the last minute because that's the way you want to do it. There definitely will be a legal challenge and quite frankly, I don't think the school has a leg to stand on. However, we'll never know. When the school settles, surely they will want a gag order as part of the terms and conditions. Ya know, so they can save face!
I thought people send their kids to Catholic to build character? Do you really thinks that there are not more kids involved in unbecoming behavior at these institutions?
NO something wrong there. If I find info I will post it. Like I said not flashy program but get it done.
Be the Best has a total of 2 teams. That's a program? It wouldn't even exist this year if the coaches of their 2 teams didn't have a falling out with head clown of the Jesters.
All you people ripping Catholic Schools and grouping them all together have no clue. Chaminade and St Anthony's are two totally different worlds. Not to say kids are not expelled at Chaminade but there is a reason the word private is used. Last thing like the principle said each kid signed an agreement / code of conduct before entering and if you want to try and take a chance and go against them good luck. Since they are PRIVATE SCHOOLS it is their way or the highway. Good luck fighting that.
Use your head, you invested $40,000 with the school over four years for a diploma. You paid for it. Now at the eleventh hour it's taken away because of a subjective interpretation
of a behavior code? Don't think that would hold up in a legal challenge.
Where is the subjective interpretation? The students either broke the behavior iced or not. The code should be black and white not being up for anyone's interpretation. The students and parents signed off on the code. The private school has every right to expel them. What exactly is the legal challenge? Not only were the students expelled their actions will follow them to their college choices.
Do you really think the behavior code said no carrying of flags? If the kid was carrying a Mexican flag, would that be ok? What about a Russian flag? A flag of Japan? How about an Al Qiada flag? Would the kid be expelled for carrying any of those flags? NO. That would be SUBJECTIVE INTERPERTATION of a behavior code. For some people the Stars and Bars is nothing more than a piece of American History. Others have decided to make it a calling card for racism. Sorry to inform you, but the Civil War was fought for many other reasons. The North and the South did not go to war just because of slavery.
In business, (and when you charge $40k for something it's a business arrangement) you can't decide to forgo your side of the deal at the last minute because that's the way you want to do it. There definitely will be a legal challenge and quite frankly, I don't think the school has a leg to stand on. However, we'll never know. When the school settles, surely they will want a gag order as part of the terms and conditions. Ya know, so they can save face!
You can't be serious can you? The confederate flag carries a racially charged message end of story. We are not talking about other flags because they didn't waive them. Every flag you mention is a nation not a racially charged message. An al qiada flag? Really? I bet they would've been suspended for also because of the message of terrorism. Did you not read the story they these boys were already suspended and this is another violation or do also support the blackface as just good old fashioned humor. Wake up. There will be no court hearing no settlement. Students get thrown out of private school every year for various reasons. The students made a decision to wear blackface or carry that flag now will suffer the consequence. St Anthony's didn't forego their side of any arrangement. If the code was broken the students violates their part.
All you people ripping Catholic Schools and grouping them all together have no clue. Chaminade and St Anthony's are two totally different worlds. Not to say kids are not expelled at Chaminade but there is a reason the word private is used. Last thing like the principle said each kid signed an agreement / code of conduct before entering and if you want to try and take a chance and go against them good luck. Since they are PRIVATE SCHOOLS it is their way or the highway. Good luck fighting that.
Use your head, you invested $40,000 with the school over four years for a diploma. You paid for it. Now at the eleventh hour it's taken away because of a subjective interpretation
of a behavior code? Don't think that would hold up in a legal challenge.
Where is the subjective interpretation? The students either broke the behavior iced or not. The code should be black and white not being up for anyone's interpretation. The students and parents signed off on the code. The private school has every right to expel them. What exactly is the legal challenge? Not only were the students expelled their actions will follow them to their college choices.
Do you really think the behavior code said no carrying of flags? If the kid was carrying a Mexican flag, would that be ok? What about a Russian flag? A flag of Japan? How about an Al Qiada flag? Would the kid be expelled for carrying any of those flags? NO. That would be SUBJECTIVE INTERPERTATION of a behavior code. For some people the Stars and Bars is nothing more than a piece of American History. Others have decided to make it a calling card for racism. Sorry to inform you, but the Civil War was fought for many other reasons. The North and the South did not go to war just because of slavery.
In business, (and when you charge $40k for something it's a business arrangement) you can't decide to forgo your side of the deal at the last minute because that's the way you want to do it. There definitely will be a legal challenge and quite frankly, I don't think the school has a leg to stand on. However, we'll never know. When the school settles, surely they will want a gag order as part of the terms and conditions. Ya know, so they can save face!
You can't be serious can you? The confederate flag carries a racially charged message end of story. We are not talking about other flags because they didn't waive them. Every flag you mention is a nation not a racially charged message. An al qiada flag? Really? I bet they would've been suspended for also because of the message of terrorism. Did you not read the story they these boys were already suspended and this is another violation or do also support the blackface as just good old fashioned humor. Wake up. There will be no court hearing no settlement. Students get thrown out of private school every year for various reasons. The students made a decision to wear blackface or carry that flag now will suffer the consequence. St Anthony's didn't forego their side of any arrangement. If the code was broken the students violates their part.
For people who say St. Anthony's is "better" or equal or "the same" as Chaminade...this stuff would never happen at Chaminade.
Not sure here if the boys carrying the flag had any intent on being racially inflamatory or not. The question if they should have been expelled or suspended may have depended on what they said and did while carrying the flag and their past record. At first glance expulsion seems a little extreme especially since these kids may have not even known the signifigance of the flag etc. You may want to ask these kids if they even know who won the civil war before we start having a conversation on what was the root cause of the war. The girls on the other hand I think their behavior is appalling if true. While the incident took plp;ace off schools grounds I am sure that the schools code of conduct allows a liberal interpration for the adm. to suspend or expell. While we are on the subject I recall in the 80's when my HS had games against Great Neck South (the "rebels") we were often witness to much confedrate flag waving and grey kepi cap wearing. Does any one know if GNS HS still allows this ?
All you people ripping Catholic Schools and grouping them all together have no clue. Chaminade and St Anthony's are two totally different worlds. Not to say kids are not expelled at Chaminade but there is a reason the word private is used. Last thing like the principle said each kid signed an agreement / code of conduct before entering and if you want to try and take a chance and go against them good luck. Since they are PRIVATE SCHOOLS it is their way or the highway. Good luck fighting that.
Use your head, you invested $40,000 with the school over four years for a diploma. You paid for it. Now at the eleventh hour it's taken away because of a subjective interpretation
of a behavior code? Don't think that would hold up in a legal challenge.
Where is the subjective interpretation? The students either broke the behavior iced or not. The code should be black and white not being up for anyone's interpretation. The students and parents signed off on the code. The private school has every right to expel them. What exactly is the legal challenge? Not only were the students expelled their actions will follow them to their college choices.
Do you really think the behavior code said no carrying of flags? If the kid was carrying a Mexican flag, would that be ok? What about a Russian flag? A flag of Japan? How about an Al Qiada flag? Would the kid be expelled for carrying any of those flags? NO. That would be SUBJECTIVE INTERPERTATION of a behavior code. For some people the Stars and Bars is nothing more than a piece of American History. Others have decided to make it a calling card for racism. Sorry to inform you, but the Civil War was fought for many other reasons. The North and the South did not go to war just because of slavery.
In business, (and when you charge $40k for something it's a business arrangement) you can't decide to forgo your side of the deal at the last minute because that's the way you want to do it. There definitely will be a legal challenge and quite frankly, I don't think the school has a leg to stand on. However, we'll never know. When the school settles, surely they will want a gag order as part of the terms and conditions. Ya know, so they can save face!
You can't be serious can you? The confederate flag carries a racially charged message end of story. We are not talking about other flags because they didn't waive them. Every flag you mention is a nation not a racially charged message. An al qiada flag? Really? I bet they would've been suspended for also because of the message of terrorism. Did you not read the story they these boys were already suspended and this is another violation or do also support the blackface as just good old fashioned humor. Wake up. There will be no court hearing no settlement. Students get thrown out of private school every year for various reasons. The students made a decision to wear blackface or carry that flag now will suffer the consequence. St Anthony's didn't forego their side of any arrangement. If the code was broken the students violates their part.
For people who say St. Anthony's is "better" or equal or "the same" as Chaminade...this stuff would never happen at Chaminade.
Of course there are no girls at Chaminade either, but that's another story.
All you people ripping Catholic Schools and grouping them all together have no clue. Chaminade and St Anthony's are two totally different worlds. Not to say kids are not expelled at Chaminade but there is a reason the word private is used. Last thing like the principle said each kid signed an agreement / code of conduct before entering and if you want to try and take a chance and go against them good luck. Since they are PRIVATE SCHOOLS it is their way or the highway. Good luck fighting that.
Use your head, you invested $40,000 with the school over four years for a diploma. You paid for it. Now at the eleventh hour it's taken away because of a subjective interpretation
of a behavior code? Don't think that would hold up in a legal challenge.
Where is the subjective interpretation? The students either broke the behavior iced or not. The code should be black and white not being up for anyone's interpretation. The students and parents signed off on the code. The private school has every right to expel them. What exactly is the legal challenge? Not only were the students expelled their actions will follow them to their college choices.
Do you really think the behavior code said no carrying of flags? If the kid was carrying a Mexican flag, would that be ok? What about a Russian flag? A flag of Japan? How about an Al Qiada flag? Would the kid be expelled for carrying any of those flags? NO. That would be SUBJECTIVE INTERPERTATION of a behavior code. For some people the Stars and Bars is nothing more than a piece of American History. Others have decided to make it a calling card for racism. Sorry to inform you, but the Civil War was fought for many other reasons. The North and the South did not go to war just because of slavery.
In business, (and when you charge $40k for something it's a business arrangement) you can't decide to forgo your side of the deal at the last minute because that's the way you want to do it. There definitely will be a legal challenge and quite frankly, I don't think the school has a leg to stand on. However, we'll never know. When the school settles, surely they will want a gag order as part of the terms and conditions. Ya know, so they can save face!
You can't be serious can you? The confederate flag carries a racially charged message end of story. We are not talking about other flags because they didn't waive them. Every flag you mention is a nation not a racially charged message. An al qiada flag? Really? I bet they would've been suspended for also because of the message of terrorism. Did you not read the story they these boys were already suspended and this is another violation or do also support the blackface as just good old fashioned humor. Wake up. There will be no court hearing no settlement. Students get thrown out of private school every year for various reasons. The students made a decision to wear blackface or carry that flag now will suffer the consequence. St Anthony's didn't forego their side of any arrangement. If the code was broken the students violates their part.
You see that's the problem with this country, you say that flag carries a racially charged message, so now it can never be shown again. They showed a flag... End of story. Over reach, breach of contract. Settlement you'll never hear about.
Not sure here if the boys carrying the flag had any intent on being racially inflamatory or not. The question if they should have been expelled or suspended may have depended on what they said and did while carrying the flag and their past record. At first glance expulsion seems a little extreme especially since these kids may have not even known the signifigance of the flag etc. You may want to ask these kids if they even know who won the civil war before we start having a conversation on what was the root cause of the war. The girls on the other hand I think their behavior is appalling if true. While the incident took plp;ace off schools grounds I am sure that the schools code of conduct allows a liberal interpration for the adm. to suspend or expell. While we are on the subject I recall in the 80's when my HS had games against Great Neck South (the "rebels") we were often witness to much confedrate flag waving and grey kepi cap wearing. Does any one know if GNS HS still allows this ?
The boys have been suspended before if the reporting was correct. If these boys didn't know the significance of the flag or who won the civil war st Anthony's has some bigger problem in education then we can address here. Also, the school must address the issues brought up on social media as per the nysed states in the regulations. Regardless, of the private school all schools must follow certain aspects of what the state deems appropriate. Pesonally i think the school shouldn't be responsible for,what goes on over any social media if it isn't school related but that's a different story. I would imagine the parent of these students are not happy. A very difficult lesson to learn but I can't believe none of these students didn't realize this could be wrong. What they probably didn't expect was the severe repercussions. Also if I remember correctly every student with the flag wasn't expelled. So there may be a little more here than we know. Either was this ws and is unacceptable behavior.
All you people ripping Catholic Schools and grouping them all together have no clue. Chaminade and St Anthony's are two totally different worlds. Not to say kids are not expelled at Chaminade but there is a reason the word private is used. Last thing like the principle said each kid signed an agreement / code of conduct before entering and if you want to try and take a chance and go against them good luck. Since they are PRIVATE SCHOOLS it is their way or the highway. Good luck fighting that.
Use your head, you invested $40,000 with the school over four years for a diploma. You paid for it. Now at the eleventh hour it's taken away because of a subjective interpretation
of a behavior code? Don't think that would hold up in a legal challenge.
Where is the subjective interpretation? The students either broke the behavior iced or not. The code should be black and white not being up for anyone's interpretation. The students and parents signed off on the code. The private school has every right to expel them. What exactly is the legal challenge? Not only were the students expelled their actions will follow them to their college choices.
Do you really think the behavior code said no carrying of flags? If the kid was carrying a Mexican flag, would that be ok? What about a Russian flag? A flag of Japan? How about an Al Qiada flag? Would the kid be expelled for carrying any of those flags? NO. That would be SUBJECTIVE INTERPERTATION of a behavior code. For some people the Stars and Bars is nothing more than a piece of American History. Others have decided to make it a calling card for racism. Sorry to inform you, but the Civil War was fought for many other reasons. The North and the South did not go to war just because of slavery.
In business, (and when you charge $40k for something it's a business arrangement) you can't decide to forgo your side of the deal at the last minute because that's the way you want to do it. There definitely will be a legal challenge and quite frankly, I don't think the school has a leg to stand on. However, we'll never know. When the school settles, surely they will want a gag order as part of the terms and conditions. Ya know, so they can save face!
You can't be serious can you? The confederate flag carries a racially charged message end of story. We are not talking about other flags because they didn't waive them. Every flag you mention is a nation not a racially charged message. An al qiada flag? Really? I bet they would've been suspended for also because of the message of terrorism. Did you not read the story they these boys were already suspended and this is another violation or do also support the blackface as just good old fashioned humor. Wake up. There will be no court hearing no settlement. Students get thrown out of private school every year for various reasons. The students made a decision to wear blackface or carry that flag now will suffer the consequence. St Anthony's didn't forego their side of any arrangement. If the code was broken the students violates their part.
You see that's the problem with this country, you say that flag carries a racially charged message, so now it can never be shown again. They showed a flag... End of story. Over reach, breach of contract. Settlement you'll never hear about.
Try again....There is nothing discriminatory or illegal about a
private school taking disciplinary action for this type of behavior. So you're right we'll never hear about the settlement...but that is because there won't be one.
Just to give you a sense: 20+ years ago when I was at Chaminade a kid a couple years older was expelled for streaking at Sacred Heart. Then and now Seniors finish their year earlier at Chaminade and then have weeks before graduation. This kid had literally completed the year and was just awaiting graduation when he pulled his stunt and got caught. Chaminade expelled him and he graduated from the local public school.....Last year a Freshman was expelled on
suspicion of smoking pot in the school during the first week. They don't care if you just got there or are almost done...if you break the rules you are gone. So don't be so sure sbout your prediction of legal victory for these students. Private schools have wide latitude when it comes to discipline.
Not sure here if the boys carrying the flag had any intent on being racially inflamatory or not. The question if they should have been expelled or suspended may have depended on what they said and did while carrying the flag and their past record. At first glance expulsion seems a little extreme especially since these kids may have not even known the signifigance of the flag etc. You may want to ask these kids if they even know who won the civil war before we start having a conversation on what was the root cause of the war. The girls on the other hand I think their behavior is appalling if true. While the incident took plp;ace off schools grounds I am sure that the schools code of conduct allows a liberal interpration for the adm. to suspend or expell. While we are on the subject I recall in the 80's when my HS had games against Great Neck South (the "rebels") we were often witness to much confedrate flag waving and grey kepi cap wearing. Does any one know if GNS HS still allows this ?
Wait until TMZ finds out who's little brother was one of the boys involved.
All you people ripping Catholic Schools and grouping them all together have no clue. Chaminade and St Anthony's are two totally different worlds. Not to say kids are not expelled at Chaminade but there is a reason the word private is used. Last thing like the principle said each kid signed an agreement / code of conduct before entering and if you want to try and take a chance and go against them good luck. Since they are PRIVATE SCHOOLS it is their way or the highway. Good luck fighting that.
Use your head, you invested $40,000 with the school over four years for a diploma. You paid for it. Now at the eleventh hour it's taken away because of a subjective interpretation
of a behavior code? Don't think that would hold up in a legal challenge.
Where is the subjective interpretation? The students either broke the behavior iced or not. The code should be black and white not being up for anyone's interpretation. The students and parents signed off on the code. The private school has every right to expel them. What exactly is the legal challenge? Not only were the students expelled their actions will follow them to their college choices.
Do you really think the behavior code said no carrying of flags? If the kid was carrying a Mexican flag, would that be ok? What about a Russian flag? A flag of Japan? How about an Al Qiada flag? Would the kid be expelled for carrying any of those flags? NO. That would be SUBJECTIVE INTERPERTATION of a behavior code. For some people the Stars and Bars is nothing more than a piece of American History. Others have decided to make it a calling card for racism. Sorry to inform you, but the Civil War was fought for many other reasons. The North and the South did not go to war just because of slavery.
In business, (and when you charge $40k for something it's a business arrangement) you can't decide to forgo your side of the deal at the last minute because that's the way you want to do it. There definitely will be a legal challenge and quite frankly, I don't think the school has a leg to stand on. However, we'll never know. When the school settles, surely they will want a gag order as part of the terms and conditions. Ya know, so they can save face!
You can't be serious can you? The confederate flag carries a racially charged message end of story. We are not talking about other flags because they didn't waive them. Every flag you mention is a nation not a racially charged message. An al qiada flag? Really? I bet they would've been suspended for also because of the message of terrorism. Did you not read the story they these boys were already suspended and this is another violation or do also support the blackface as just good old fashioned humor. Wake up. There will be no court hearing no settlement. Students get thrown out of private school every year for various reasons. The students made a decision to wear blackface or carry that flag now will suffer the consequence. St Anthony's didn't forego their side of any arrangement. If the code was broken the students violates their part.
For people who say St. Anthony's is "better" or equal or "the same" as Chaminade...this stuff would never happen at Chaminade.
Are you serious? Never say never! Kids are kids and they sometimes do terrible things, thinking they're funny, that their parents (or schools) are not proud of. To say that a catholic/private school kid will be a better person because there aren't "girls in tube tops and guys in low hung jeans" is absolutely ridiculous. Kids learn behavior in school, at home, with friends, on the field, in church/temple etc. Keep your fingers crossed that your kids remember right from wrong & make good decisions at all times.
& BTW I've known quite a few not so nice guys that graduated from Chaminade over the years...
A little history lesson: the south seceded from the
union to form their own country. The confederate
states of America. That country flew their own flag. The
Confederate flag. It was not used as a symbol of racism.
It is interpreted today as that. But to this day
the majority of the south does NOT see this flag that way.
Civil war was not about Slavery alone.
And the reason they seceded was because they wanted to keep slavery. The SOuth then went on to lynch , murder and oppress blacks every way it could, all the while with that flag a flying. Its a symbol for a culture who believed blacks where animals to be bought and sold, and that what it stands for.
A little history lesson: the south seceded from the
union to form their own country. The confederate
states of America. That country flew their own flag. The
Confederate flag. It was not used as a symbol of racism.
It is interpreted today as that. But to this day
the majority of the south does NOT see this flag that way.
Civil war was not about Slavery alone.
A little history lesson: the south seceded from the
union to form their own country. The confederate
states of America. That country flew their own flag. The
Confederate flag. It was not used as a symbol of racism.
It is interpreted today as that. But to this day
the majority of the south does NOT see this flag that way.
Civil war was not about Slavery alone.
FACTS! That flag is a symbol of the south that most down there respect it's NOT a symbol of slavery.
So the north according to you had no slavery????
Completely false!! We flew the same flag then that we do today.
Is that a symbol for oppression and slavery?
Get your facts straight. Slavery was everywhere
in this country, yet we still fly our flag.
For those of you on here decrying the Confederate flag, I trust that every time you see someone driving a Mercedes, BMW, or a VW, you judge the driver and the other passengers very harshly. Those companies, and others whose products we buy freely and celebrate today, behaved horrifically during the Holocaust in World War II. Among other things, they profited from slave labor from both camp occupants and POWs. And this is just a few generations ago, not hundred and 50 years. So surely that is a terrible affront to anyone impacted by the Holocaust and the atrocities of Imperial Germany. Again this would include people who are alive today who lived through this and many many people who are just one generation removed.
My guess, you don't bat an eye, and you may even drive these cars yourself, either knowing the horrible history or just not caring. Why? Because the population that would find this so offensive has moved on. They have chosen to focus on the here and now and the future and not dwell on something in the past. Some people, and peoples, grow up and move on. Some do not. In case you're wondering, I'm not a member of the group that is offended by any of this stuff.
What any of this carping has to do with the sport of lacrosse is beyond me.
So the north according to you had no slavery????
Completely false!! We flew the same flag then that we do today.
Is that a symbol for oppression and slavery?
Get your facts straight. Slavery was everywhere
in this country, yet we still fly our flag.
Where is the post saying the north had no slavery?
As a twenty year educator teaching social studies the confederate flag has been and will continue to be controversial. Even the people of the south are torn over how and where it should be represented. It is a part of our history. It symbolizes the strength and unity of the south and men that gave their lives believing in their cause. It also stands for oppression , bigotry and rascism often portraying the south in a horrendous light. If those boys were from the south carrying around their flag as a badge of honor and pride from their roots then they shouldn't face any discipline but an explanation why the school believes it inappropriate. If they were carrying it around for any other reason wether it was a joke or not then the discipline they received was appropriate. Ignorance, stupidity and foolishness are not excuses. My guess is none of the were from the south.
But the North was in the process of getting rid of it, they where in the process of making sure it was not allowed in the new territories. Tell me, why do you think it was all the Southern States who voted against the Civil Rights act?
So the north according to you had no slavery????
Completely false!! We flew the same flag then that we do today.
Is that a symbol for oppression and slavery?
Get your facts straight. Slavery was everywhere
in this country, yet we still fly our flag.
Where is the post saying the north had no slavery?
As a twenty year educator teaching social studies the confederate flag has been and will continue to be controversial. Even the people of the south are torn over how and where it should be represented. It is a part of our history. It symbolizes the strength and unity of the south and men that gave their lives believing in their cause. It also stands for oppression , bigotry and rascism often portraying the south in a horrendous light. If those boys were from the south carrying around their flag as a badge of honor and pride from their roots then they shouldn't face any discipline but an explanation why the school believes it inappropriate. If they were carrying it around for any other reason wether it was a joke or not then the discipline they received was appropriate. Ignorance, stupidity and foolishness are not excuses. My guess is none of the were from the south.
Just because they were in the process of getting
rid of it does that change the fact that it happened
in the north? The question is about the flag. We still
fly the same flag today that we did then when slavery
was rampant. No one complains about that.
So....how about that game called lacrosse? Anyone interested in discussing it? Is the history lesson and its controversy over?
Can that discussion be moved to another website, please?
Why hasn't Ty updated the committed list in like; forever???
So....how about that game called lacrosse? Anyone interested in discussing it? Is the history lesson and its controversy over?
Can that discussion be moved to another website, please?
Why hasn't Ty updated the committed list in like; forever???
Couldn't agree more. No one cares about St. Ants or Chaminade and how bad.great they are. Back to Lacrosse please.
Aside from Chaminade and GC, any other undefeated JV teams this season?
Aside from Chaminade and GC, any other undefeated JV teams this season?
Didn't Chaminade JV lose to St A's JV?
Aside from Chaminade and GC, any other undefeated JV teams this season?
Didn't Chaminade JV lose to St A's JV?
If that's what you want to call a 13-2 loss then yes.
Wow. I dozed off a little right in the middle of that.....but that was certainly educational.
Thank you for that.
Any thoughts on the history of lacrosse or websites?
WM JV also undefeated thus far.
WM JV also undefeated thus far.
what is the break down of 2016 and 2017 on WM JV?
Who will be top 10 club teams 2017?
Total guess as it will not be played out until this summer (in no particular order I listed 13):
Dukes
Crabs
3D National
Turtles
Team 91
West Coast Starz
Leading Edge
Breakers
Madlax
VLC
Laxachussets
Patriot
Mesa Fresh
The Express Orange will be an extremely strong team.
Aside from Chaminade and GC, any other undefeated JV teams this season?
Didn't Chaminade JV lose to St A's JV?
If that's what you want to call a 13-2 loss then yes.
Not sure but the GC defense has let up a total of less than ~15 points on the season.
Very stingy defense and well coached.
Any one aware of any freshman playing varsity in NY Section 1?
Aside from Chaminade and GC, any other undefeated JV teams this season?
Didn't Chaminade JV lose to St A's JV?
If that's what you want to call a 13-2 loss then yes.
Not sure but the GC defense has let up a total of less than ~15 points on the season.
Very stingy defense and well coached.
Outside of thumping your chest for GC what does that have to do with a SA vs Chaminade conversation?
Eclipse 2017 will be good this year. This fall they beat both Dukes and Crabs. Granted its fall ball, but most kids at the higher level play year round. I'm sure both teams had someone missing too.
Aside from Chaminade and GC, any other undefeated JV teams this season?
Didn't Chaminade JV lose to St A's JV?
If that's what you want to call a 13-2 loss then yes.
Not sure but the GC defense has let up a total of less than ~15 points on the season.
Very stingy defense and well coached.
Outside of thumping your chest for GC what does that have to do with a SA vs Chaminade conversation?
I thought this was a boys 2017 thread, not a SA VS Chaminade conversation. However, the original poster (after the civil war reenactment) asked "Aside from Chaminade and GC, any other undefeated JV teams this season? There was a bit "thumping of the chest" but, no different than any other daddy on this site.
Eclipse 2017 will be good this year. This fall they beat both Dukes and Crabs. Granted its fall ball, but most kids at the higher level play year round. I'm sure both teams had someone missing too.
Agree with this (I put the list together up top). I know the team is relatively new so this summer will be a great test. How does this affect the CT Chargers organization?
Eclipse 2017 will be good this year. This fall they beat both Dukes and Crabs. Granted its fall ball, but most kids at the higher level play year round. I'm sure both teams had someone missing too.
Agree with this (I put the list together up top). I know the team is relatively new so this summer will be a great test. How does this affect the CT Chargers organization?
The 2017 CT Chargers will be much weaker. They lost about 1/2 to 2/3rds of their players to Eclipse. They still have some great players, just not as deep. I wish them luck.
I remember seeing the CT Chargers at the Young Gunz last summer as U-15aa team. They got beaten up pretty badly at that tournament. I did see Eclipse 2017 in the Fall in Baltimore when they beat Dukes, and Crabs and lost a tight game to VLC. The Eclipse are definitely in the top class of club teams for their 2017 team. I have a hard time reconciling that those were mostly the same players from CT Chargers, but maybe it was just the case the Chargers played very poorly last Summer in Baltimore, or it is possible the players improved dramatic.
The Eclipse 2017 team is very good and will be competitive this Summer at the top tournaments.
Patriots , laxachucets , chargers... All third tier teams... Probably on par with last year's 91 team - that could not compete with turtles true blue or express
Patriots , laxachucets , chargers... All third tier teams... Probably on par with last year's 91 team - that could not compete with turtles true blue or express
True Blue or Express? Where was True Blue in the Fall? Did you watch Express in the Fall?
Patriots , laxachucets , chargers... All third tier teams... Probably on par with last year's 91 team - that could not compete with turtles true blue or express
Your kid is a rising sophomore this summer, and you're still worried about who's team is better? Most kids and their parents are worried about which coaches they are going get the opportunity to play in front of. I guess you just don't get it. SAD. No one cares, go to the 2021 thread and join that conversation, much better fit for you.
Patriots , laxachucets , chargers... All third tier teams... Probably on par with last year's 91 team - that could not compete with turtles true blue or express
Your kid is a rising sophomore this summer, and you're still worried about who's team is better? Most kids and their parents are worried about which coaches they are going get the opportunity to play in front of. I guess you just don't get it. SAD. No one cares, go to the 2021 thread and join that conversation, much better fit for you.
Right on point. What are the parameters to be met when being deemed third tier ?
Patriots , laxachucets , chargers... All third tier teams... Probably on par with last year's 91 team - that could not compete with turtles true blue or express
That's a joke, as are you
Patriots , laxachucets , chargers... All third tier teams... Probably on par with last year's 91 team - that could not compete with turtles true blue or express
Your kid is a rising sophomore this summer, and you're still worried about who's team is better? Most kids and their parents are worried about which coaches they are going get the opportunity to play in front of. I guess you just don't get it. SAD. No one cares, go to the 2021 thread and join that conversation, much better fit for you.
EXACTLY!!!
Is ok if we still talk about team achievement for one more year??
... After all lacrosse (even on LI) is still considered a TEAM sport... (For the parents that are more focused on their boy's future "D1" career than let the next 3 1/2 years of HS and Club team achievement)
Yes there is a kid playing significant minutes for a strong team in Section 1
Any one aware of any freshman playing varsity in NY Section 1?
Okay Dad of freshman player in section 1. Just tell us all about how great he is doing without all your anonymous posts attempting to identify him.
Okay Dad of freshman player in section 1. Just tell us all about how great he is doing without all your anonymous posts attempting to identify him.
Such negativity! Can't bear to have the discussion move away from your precious section 8 and 11 boys?
Yes there is a kid playing significant minutes for a strong team in Section 1
Any one aware of any freshman playing varsity in NY Section 1?
Is there any one place where I can find each school's roster listing each players' class? Every school is different and some schools publish the info and some don't. MSGVarsity and Maxpreps are also inconsistent. There is an opportunity for BackoftheCage. Thanks.
Amusing article in Deadspin "Why Rich Lacrosse Parents Are Making Their Kids Repeat A Grade"
http://deadspin.com/why-rich-lacrosse-parents-are-making-their-kids-repeat-1570381983
Makes me sick to my stomach to read this. We all know it has been going on. Less so in LI and NJ, but still goes on. Prevalent in Maryland and D.C., and in Philly to a lessor extent. Not sure what they are teaching their kids in terms of life lessons but who am I to quesiton it.
Actually, I don't find it amusing having a 2017 kid who will graduate at 17 :-(
Great quote in the article from a Maryland parent who decided against reclassifying, emphasis mine:
"There's no social reason, emotional reason, or academic reason they're [redshirting]," the parent says. "It's to have an advantage physically over everybody else. IT'S INSTITUTIONALIZED CHEATING, and it's everywhere, and the thing that's troubling is everybody's closing their eyes"
Straight from a MD lacrosse proud parent of a 2017 who is 14 and is a strong player/recruit, THIS IS AWESOME. Time for this fraud to get outed. The dopes and real losers are the NCAA coaches who don't look at the birth dates when recruiting the 9th graders who drive home from school already.
Straight from a MD lacrosse proud parent of a 2017 who is 14 and is a strong player/recruit, THIS IS AWESOME. Time for this fraud to get outed. The dopes and real losers are the NCAA coaches who don't look at the birth dates when recruiting the 9th graders who drive home from school already.
Couldn't agree more. How do coaches not evaluate that these kids have 1 more year of mental and physical maturity, 1 more year of getting used to showcases, etc., 1 more year of playing. I think the answer is they just don't care unfortunately.
Makes me sick to my stomach to read this. We all know it has been going on. Less so in LI and NJ, but still goes on. Prevalent in Maryland and D.C., and in Philly to a lessor extent. Not sure what they are teaching their kids in terms of life lessons but who am I to quesiton it.
Are you serious? Going on at an epidemic level in the Philly preps schools. Also out of control in Mass as well. 3d actually promoting the practice at their camps and teams.
Straight from a MD lacrosse proud parent of a 2017 who is 14 and is a strong player/recruit, THIS IS AWESOME. Time for this fraud to get outed. The dopes and real losers are the NCAA coaches who don't look at the birth dates when recruiting the 9th graders who drive home from school already.
Really??? I think they know too well the birth date but just don't care....There is an incentive for coaches to take holdbacks and nothing preventing them from doing so. Please let's not make this into a discussion about how the coaches are duped on birthdates.....because that is nonsense. They know what they are getting.
How are the dopes/losers the NCAA coaches? They are recruiting the best athletes many times in these cases they are the more physically developed players, they could care less what age they graduate HS, as long as they can get them wins. Thank you US Lacrosse for cow-towing to the Baltimore elite;you finally found a way to spread lacrosse,have kids outside of the tri-state area play down.
Straight from a MD lacrosse proud parent of a 2017 who is 14 and is a strong player/recruit, THIS IS AWESOME. Time for this fraud to get outed. The dopes and real losers are the NCAA coaches who don't look at the birth dates when recruiting the 9th graders who drive home from school already.
Really??? I think they know too well the birth date but just don't care....There is an incentive for coaches to take holdbacks and nothing preventing them from doing so. Please let's not make this into a discussion about how the coaches are duped on birthdates.....because that is nonsense. They know what they are getting.
I see the point that the coaches are getting the MD parents to underwrite a redshirt year. The MD parents must also understand their bet. Best you can hope for in this sport is a fractional scholarship. So money wise, the scholarship money the kid gets over 4 years will be about what is put into a year of prep school tuition. If a MD parent bets well, the kid gets into a better school than without being a lacrosse recruit. But what if after the extra year of private school the kid goes to UMass, Denver, etc. and not Penn, Princeton, etc.? Suicide anyone???
Suicide? No. The bet is to play D1 lacrosse. From there it's Ivy's or ACC first, then so on. One thing it's not about is the scholarship money.
How are the dopes/losers the NCAA coaches? They are recruiting the best athletes many times in these cases they are the more physically developed players, they could care less what age they graduate HS, as long as they can get them wins. Thank you US Lacrosse for cow-towing to the Baltimore elite;you finally found a way to spread lacrosse,have kids outside of the tri-state area play down.
The coaches definitely know what's going on and they definitely don't care. Why should they? They aren't breaking any rules. You don't win games by standing on a principle.
However, whats troubling about some coaches is how they talk out of both sides of their mouths. They say they don't favor early recruiting, but don't do anything about it. They should simply not say anything. It's insulting. As a group they have the power to come together and influence the process, but there's no incentive for them to do so. The NCAA won't because it's governed by the schools.
Nevertheless, the chorus against early recruiting/reclassing is rising. Bill Tanton 's editorial in this month's Lacrosse Magazine spoke out against early commits and Quint has been vocal. Nothing may ever change, but the spotlight is becoming more focused.
Suicide? No. The bet is to play D1 lacrosse. From there it's Ivy's or ACC first, then so on. One thing it's not about is the scholarship money.
Honestly, a parent would not be disappointed if after years of private schools their kid went to Zoo Mass to play lacrosse. Really?
Lots of great schools outside of the Ivy's. Besides, private school alone doesn't guarantee Ivy admission. That angle has actually gotten much more difficult in recent years. Today, it might actually be better to be a standout student and a good athlete in a public school if you want Ivy.
Back to the point, "wealthy parents" paying for private school or a PG year aren't doing it for a scholarship. It's for the chance to get their kid a D1 slot. As for Ivy, which by the way don't offer athletic scholarships, if that's the motivation for a PG, then you need to know where your kid stands with a target institution before going through the effort.
Can anyone tell me if there is a 2017 Long Island Sting because I was on their website and they go to very good tournaments.
Makes me sick to my stomach to read this. We all know it has been going on. Less so in LI and NJ, but still goes on. Prevalent in Maryland and D.C., and in Philly to a lessor extent. Not sure what they are teaching their kids in terms of life lessons but who am I to quesiton it.
Are you serious? Going on at an epidemic level in the Philly preps schools. Also out of control in Mass as well. 3d actually promoting the practice at their camps and teams.
The people who get fired up about this issue do so bc for the vast majority of them they don't have the option to reclassify. If given the chance most would do it. The moral high ground argument is nonsense.
Makes me sick to my stomach to read this. We all know it has been going on. Less so in LI and NJ, but still goes on. Prevalent in Maryland and D.C., and in Philly to a lessor extent. Not sure what they are teaching their kids in terms of life lessons but who am I to quesiton it.
Are you serious? Going on at an epidemic level in the Philly preps schools. Also out of control in Mass as well. 3d actually promoting the practice at their camps and teams.
The people who get fired up about this issue do so bc for the vast majority of them they don't have the option to reclassify. If given the chance most would do it. The moral high ground argument is nonsense.
I have a talented 7th grader. How do I do this on LI?
Makes me sick to my stomach to read this. We all know it has been going on. Less so in LI and NJ, but still goes on. Prevalent in Maryland and D.C., and in Philly to a lessor extent. Not sure what they are teaching their kids in terms of life lessons but who am I to quesiton it.
Are you serious? Going on at an epidemic level in the Philly preps schools. Also out of control in Mass as well. 3d actually promoting the practice at their camps and teams.
The people who get fired up about this issue do so bc for the vast majority of them they don't have the option to reclassify. If given the chance most would do it. The moral high ground argument is nonsense.
I do not think so- not too many kids would be keen on switching schools, leaving their friends and adding another year to their school life, all by themselves. If it were more predominant, maybe kids would be more apt to do so, but since it is not something that occurs in our area for the sport of lacrosse, it is not really a financial decision. A few do so in hockey, but it is far and few between, and even those kids have not had a great experience. On top of that, many MS and HS kids in LI are advanced a year in multiple curriculum areas, as the whole school is advanced, not just individuals. By the end of 8th grade they have taken many 9th grade courses. To move your child to a private prep school and have them repeat 8th grade, they would most likely be taking 2 years worth of courses over, as they were taking 8th grade classes in 7th grade at their public school. They would in essence be taking 2 years worth of courses again. One of my sons is a top student, and is in a school where they advance all the students in 3 subject areas and he would not want to reclassify. Not all LI schools do this, but a good handful of your better schools, with good lacrosse programs that do. PLus, there is plenty of money on LI, there is certainly more to it then money.
Makes me sick to my stomach to read this. We all know it has been going on. Less so in LI and NJ, but still goes on. Prevalent in Maryland and D.C., and in Philly to a lessor extent. Not sure what they are teaching their kids in terms of life lessons but who am I to quesiton it.
Are you serious? Going on at an epidemic level in the Philly preps schools. Also out of control in Mass as well. 3d actually promoting the practice at their camps and teams.
The people who get fired up about this issue do so bc for the vast majority of them they don't have the option to reclassify. If given the chance most would do it. The moral high ground argument is nonsense.
Absolutely not true.
Makes me sick to my stomach to read this. We all know it has been going on. Less so in LI and NJ, but still goes on. Prevalent in Maryland and D.C., and in Philly to a lessor extent. Not sure what they are teaching their kids in terms of life lessons but who am I to quesiton it.
Are you serious? Going on at an epidemic level in the Philly preps schools. Also out of control in Mass as well. 3d actually promoting the practice at their camps and teams.
The people who get fired up about this issue do so bc for the vast majority of them they don't have the option to reclassify. If given the chance most would do it. The moral high ground argument is nonsense.
This might be news to you, but some people really do have a moral compass. Some people also know what it means to work hard to achieve.
Makes me sick to my stomach to read this. We all know it has been going on. Less so in LI and NJ, but still goes on. Prevalent in Maryland and D.C., and in Philly to a lessor extent. Not sure what they are teaching their kids in terms of life lessons but who am I to quesiton it.
Are you serious? Going on at an epidemic level in the Philly preps schools. Also out of control in Mass as well. 3d actually promoting the practice at their camps and teams.
The people who get fired up about this issue do so bc for the vast majority of them they don't have the option to reclassify. If given the chance most would do it. The moral high ground argument is nonsense.
I have a talented 7th grader. How do I do this on LI?
Here you go--- assuming your 7th grader is currently 12 or 13 years old....
A Few Easy Steps (but start now!):
1) Have your kid complete 8th grade at his current school
2) Pay $28+g to go to Friends, Buckley, Waldorf, Portledge, GreenVale (or any similar independent private school).
3) Have your child REPEAT 8th GRADE at one of the above (reclassify your child to the year below his actual birth/academic age for travel / club lacrosse).
4) Let club team coaches know your 2019 kid is REALLY now a 2020 kid.
5) Bring your kid to as many showcases as possible so that he/she can compete against kids 1 year (or more) younger.
6) Now, submit to the high school entrance process, take necessary tests, etc.
7) Then choose a nice Catholic (CHS,STA,KEL) or Private(FA) and have them enter as a Freshman.
8) The child will be "Noticed" as standout Freshman and be rewarded with a premium spot on the lax team (possibly a jump to JV or Varsity) and play 4 years of HS.
9) The College Recruiting Process will be in full swing during all this... go to an many showcases and talk to coaches; also start exploring the costs of a Post Grad year at Deerfield, Salisbury, Avon, etc.
10 ) Accept offer to D1 Lacrosse Program (partial scholarship)to enter as a Freshman in 2021 (at age 20) two years AFTER your next door neighbors kid who is the same age.
11 ) Embark on a Red Shirt Freshman year.
12 ) Finally your child competes in his/her first meaningful college game at age 21.
13 ) Your child graduates in 2026 (at age 24 - 25)
What is also very important is that your child must be bigger, faster and act more mature than any other 12-13 year old that they face once they've reclassified because they will actually be 1 year (OR MORE) older...and you want to make sure they stand out in their new "MAGIC" age group.
Also, fairness and honesty and respect for fair competition must be forgotten... and don't ever think of it as cheating.
Sleep well.
Makes me sick to my stomach to read this. We all know it has been going on. Less so in LI and NJ, but still goes on. Prevalent in Maryland and D.C., and in Philly to a lessor extent. Not sure what they are teaching their kids in terms of life lessons but who am I to quesiton it.
Are you serious? Going on at an epidemic level in the Philly preps schools. Also out of control in Mass as well. 3d actually promoting the practice at their camps and teams.
The people who get fired up about this issue do so bc for the vast majority of them they don't have the option to reclassify. If given the chance most would do it. The moral high ground argument is nonsense.
I have a talented 7th grader. How do I do this on LI?
Here you go--- assuming your 7th grader is currently 12 or 13 years old....
A Few Easy Steps (but start now!):
1) Have your kid complete 8th grade at his current school
2) Pay $28+g to go to Friends, Buckley, Waldorf, Portledge, GreenVale (or any similar independent private school).
3) Have your child REPEAT 8th GRADE at one of the above (reclassify your child to the year below his actual birth/academic age for travel / club lacrosse).
4) Let club team coaches know your 2019 kid is REALLY now a 2020 kid.
5) Bring your kid to as many showcases as possible so that he/she can compete against kids 1 year (or more) younger.
6) Now, submit to the high school entrance process, take necessary tests, etc.
7) Then choose a nice Catholic (CHS,STA,KEL) or Private(FA) and have them enter as a Freshman.
8) The child will be "Noticed" as standout Freshman and be rewarded with a premium spot on the lax team (possibly a jump to JV or Varsity) and play 4 years of HS.
9) The College Recruiting Process will be in full swing during all this... go to an many showcases and talk to coaches; also start exploring the costs of a Post Grad year at Deerfield, Salisbury, Avon, etc.
10 ) Accept offer to D1 Lacrosse Program (partial scholarship)to enter as a Freshman in 2021 (at age 20) two years AFTER your next door neighbors kid who is the same age.
11 ) Embark on a Red Shirt Freshman year.
12 ) Finally your child competes in his/her first meaningful college game at age 21.
13 ) Your child graduates in 2026 (at age 24 - 25)
What is also very important is that your child must be bigger, faster and act more mature than any other 12-13 year old that they face once they've reclassified because they will actually be 1 year (OR MORE) older...and you want to make sure they stand out in their new "MAGIC" age group.
Also, fairness and honesty and respect for fair competition must be forgotten... and don't ever think of it as cheating.
Sleep well.
And all of that to possibly get partial tuition. Still have to save 120K to cover the difference.
Makes me sick to my stomach to read this. We all know it has been going on. Less so in LI and NJ, but still goes on. Prevalent in Maryland and D.C., and in Philly to a lessor extent. Not sure what they are teaching their kids in terms of life lessons but who am I to quesiton it.
Are you serious? Going on at an epidemic level in the Philly preps schools. Also out of control in Mass as well. 3d actually promoting the practice at their camps and teams.
The people who get fired up about this issue do so bc for the vast majority of them they don't have the option to reclassify. If given the chance most would do it. The moral high ground argument is nonsense.
I have a talented 7th grader. How do I do this on LI?
Here you go--- assuming your 7th grader is currently 12 or 13 years old....
A Few Easy Steps (but start now!):
1) Have your kid complete 8th grade at his current school
2) Pay $28+g to go to Friends, Buckley, Waldorf, Portledge, GreenVale (or any similar independent private school).
3) Have your child REPEAT 8th GRADE at one of the above (reclassify your child to the year below his actual birth/academic age for travel / club lacrosse).
4) Let club team coaches know your 2019 kid is REALLY now a 2020 kid.
5) Bring your kid to as many showcases as possible so that he/she can compete against kids 1 year (or more) younger.
6) Now, submit to the high school entrance process, take necessary tests, etc.
7) Then choose a nice Catholic (CHS,STA,KEL) or Private(FA) and have them enter as a Freshman.
8) The child will be "Noticed" as standout Freshman and be rewarded with a premium spot on the lax team (possibly a jump to JV or Varsity) and play 4 years of HS.
9) The College Recruiting Process will be in full swing during all this... go to an many showcases and talk to coaches; also start exploring the costs of a Post Grad year at Deerfield, Salisbury, Avon, etc.
10 ) Accept offer to D1 Lacrosse Program (partial scholarship)to enter as a Freshman in 2021 (at age 20) two years AFTER your next door neighbors kid who is the same age.
11 ) Embark on a Red Shirt Freshman year.
12 ) Finally your child competes in his/her first meaningful college game at age 21.
13 ) Your child graduates in 2026 (at age 24 - 25)
What is also very important is that your child must be bigger, faster and act more mature than any other 12-13 year old that they face once they've reclassified because they will actually be 1 year (OR MORE) older...and you want to make sure they stand out in their new "MAGIC" age group.
Also, fairness and honesty and respect for fair competition must be forgotten... and don't ever think of it as cheating.
Sleep well.
Thanks so much I will start to put my ducks in a row now.
Here you go--- assuming your 7th grader is currently 12 or 13 years old....
A Few Easy Steps (but start now!):
1) Have your kid complete 8th grade at his current school
2) Pay $28+g to go to Friends, Buckley, Waldorf, Portledge, GreenVale (or any similar independent private school).
3) Have your child REPEAT 8th GRADE at one of the above (reclassify your child to the year below his actual birth/academic age for travel / club lacrosse).
4) Let club team coaches know your 2019 kid is REALLY now a 2020 kid.
5) Bring your kid to as many showcases as possible so that he/she can compete against kids 1 year (or more) younger.
6) Now, submit to the high school entrance process, take necessary tests, etc.
7) Then choose a nice Catholic (CHS,STA,KEL) or Private(FA) and have them enter as a Freshman.
8) The child will be "Noticed" as standout Freshman and be rewarded with a premium spot on the lax team (possibly a jump to JV or Varsity) and play 4 years of HS.
9) The College Recruiting Process will be in full swing during all this... go to an many showcases and talk to coaches; also start exploring the costs of a Post Grad year at Deerfield, Salisbury, Avon, etc.
10 ) Accept offer to D1 Lacrosse Program (partial scholarship)to enter as a Freshman in 2021 (at age 20) two years AFTER your next door neighbors kid who is the same age.
11 ) Embark on a Red Shirt Freshman year.
12 ) Finally your child competes in his/her first meaningful college game at age 21.
13 ) Your child graduates in 2026 (at age 24 - 25)
What is also very important is that your child must be bigger, faster and act more mature than any other 12-13 year old that they face once they've reclassified because they will actually be 1 year (OR MORE) older...and you want to make sure they stand out in their new "MAGIC" age group.
Also, fairness and honesty and respect for fair competition must be forgotten... and don't ever think of it as cheating.
Sleep well.[/quote]
And all of that to possibly get partial tuition. Still have to save 120K to cover the difference. [/quote]
Well, that $120k extra is well worth it when your kid graduates from an IVY or ACC school you wouldn't have gotten into otherwise and earns six figures plus a year in income for the rest of his life
After making my way through your boring sarcasm I see a plan that makes perfect sense. Outside of NY because of the the late school cutoff if I had a promising athlete why wouldn't I want him to compete at the highest level? These showcases you're referring to will and do have kids 18 to 24 months older. I'm not gonna just sit back and watch his dreams go by the wayside and think a 14 yr old can compete with a 17 yr old? And I certainly won't care what my neighbors do or anyone else for that matter. You simple minded peeps can keep your head in the sand and continue to whine while I PREPARE my young son to reach his dreams. And btw, hope you're enjoying the tournament. You might want to check out some birthdates of the kids playing. Actually, don't bother. Just keep whining on this forum. It's entertaining!!
Here you go--- assuming your 7th grader is currently 12 or 13 years old....
A Few Easy Steps (but start now!):
1) Have your kid complete 8th grade at his current school
2) Pay $28+g to go to Friends, Buckley, Waldorf, Portledge, GreenVale (or any similar independent private school).
3) Have your child REPEAT 8th GRADE at one of the above (reclassify your child to the year below his actual birth/academic age for travel / club lacrosse).
4) Let club team coaches know your 2019 kid is REALLY now a 2020 kid.
5) Bring your kid to as many showcases as possible so that he/she can compete against kids 1 year (or more) younger.
6) Now, submit to the high school entrance process, take necessary tests, etc.
7) Then choose a nice Catholic (CHS,STA,KEL) or Private(FA) and have them enter as a Freshman.
8) The child will be "Noticed" as standout Freshman and be rewarded with a premium spot on the lax team (possibly a jump to JV or Varsity) and play 4 years of HS.
9) The College Recruiting Process will be in full swing during all this... go to an many showcases and talk to coaches; also start exploring the costs of a Post Grad year at Deerfield, Salisbury, Avon, etc.
10 ) Accept offer to D1 Lacrosse Program (partial scholarship)to enter as a Freshman in 2021 (at age 20) two years AFTER your next door neighbors kid who is the same age.
11 ) Embark on a Red Shirt Freshman year.
12 ) Finally your child competes in his/her first meaningful college game at age 21.
13 ) Your child graduates in 2026 (at age 24 - 25)
What is also very important is that your child must be bigger, faster and act more mature than any other 12-13 year old that they face once they've reclassified because they will actually be 1 year (OR MORE) older...and you want to make sure they stand out in their new "MAGIC" age group.
Also, fairness and honesty and respect for fair competition must be forgotten... and don't ever think of it as cheating.
Sleep well.
And all of that to possibly get partial tuition. Still have to save 120K to cover the difference. [/quote]
Well, that $120k extra is well worth it when your kid graduates from an IVY or ACC school you wouldn't have gotten into otherwise and earns six figures plus a year in income for the rest of his life [/quote]
If you think in today's economy that an Ivy League education is an automatic ticket to riches you are seriously mistaken and heading for a huge letdown. That was the story 25 years ago. Nowadays it remains a huge leg up with networking, prestige, etc. but not the slam dunk it once was. Trust me, if you slide through as a lax bro with a 2.5 GPA you are more likely to be working summer camps and teaching private lessons after graduation then opening your own hedge fund.
Here you go--- assuming your 7th grader is currently 12 or 13 years old....
A Few Easy Steps (but start now!):
1) Have your kid complete 8th grade at his current school
2) Pay $28+g to go to Friends, Buckley, Waldorf, Portledge, GreenVale (or any similar independent private school).
3) Have your child REPEAT 8th GRADE at one of the above (reclassify your child to the year below his actual birth/academic age for travel / club lacrosse).
4) Let club team coaches know your 2019 kid is REALLY now a 2020 kid.
5) Bring your kid to as many showcases as possible so that he/she can compete against kids 1 year (or more) younger.
6) Now, submit to the high school entrance process, take necessary tests, etc.
7) Then choose a nice Catholic (CHS,STA,KEL) or Private(FA) and have them enter as a Freshman.
8) The child will be "Noticed" as standout Freshman and be rewarded with a premium spot on the lax team (possibly a jump to JV or Varsity) and play 4 years of HS.
9) The College Recruiting Process will be in full swing during all this... go to an many showcases and talk to coaches; also start exploring the costs of a Post Grad year at Deerfield, Salisbury, Avon, etc.
10 ) Accept offer to D1 Lacrosse Program (partial scholarship)to enter as a Freshman in 2021 (at age 20) two years AFTER your next door neighbors kid who is the same age.
11 ) Embark on a Red Shirt Freshman year.
12 ) Finally your child competes in his/her first meaningful college game at age 21.
13 ) Your child graduates in 2026 (at age 24 - 25)
What is also very important is that your child must be bigger, faster and act more mature than any other 12-13 year old that they face once they've reclassified because they will actually be 1 year (OR MORE) older...and you want to make sure they stand out in their new "MAGIC" age group.
Also, fairness and honesty and respect for fair competition must be forgotten... and don't ever think of it as cheating.
Sleep well.
And all of that to possibly get partial tuition. Still have to save 120K to cover the difference.
Well, that $120k extra is well worth it when your kid graduates from an IVY or ACC school you wouldn't have gotten into otherwise and earns six figures plus a year in income for the rest of his life [/quote]
If you think in today's economy that an Ivy League education is an automatic ticket to riches you are seriously mistaken and heading for a huge letdown. That was the story 25 years ago. Nowadays it remains a huge leg up with networking, prestige, etc. but not the slam dunk it once was. Trust me, if you slide through as a lax bro with a 2.5 GPA you are more likely to be working summer camps and teaching private lessons after graduation then opening your own hedge fund. [/
Nothing is an automatic ticket, which is why you have to stack the deck in your favor when you can to improve your odds best you can.
I'd rather my kid make it into an Ivy on academics and not because of lax skills. If his lax skills help- great, but he'll have a great many opportunities if he has more than just his lax going for him. If a kid is retained and doesn't get recruited, do you think the better schools will be interested in him/her? You can look at the positive side, but don't forget the risks as well.
And btw, hope you're enjoying the tournament. You might want to check out some birthdates of the kids playing.
Why don't you enlighten the simple minded of us?
And btw, hope you're enjoying the tournament. You might want to check out some birthdates of the kids playing.
Why don't you enlighten the simple minded of us?
Quick snapshot of Duke's key offense players
Josh Dionne – 23 year old senior born in April (held back)
Folwer – 22 yr old sr born in dec (older end)
Jordan wolf - 22 yr old sr born in dec (older end)
Matheis – sophomore born in oct (held back)
Deemer class – soph, 21 in June (held back)
Myles jones – soph turned 21 in march (held back)
I'll let someone else look at the other rosters.
And btw, hope you're enjoying the tournament. You might want to check out some birthdates of the kids playing.
Why don't you enlighten the simple minded of us?
Quick snapshot of Duke's key offense players
Josh Dionne – 23 year old senior born in April (held back)
Folwer – 22 yr old sr born in dec (older end)
Jordan wolf - 22 yr old sr born in dec (older end)
Matheis – sophomore born in oct (held back)
Deemer class – soph, 21 in June (held back)
Myles jones – soph turned 21 in march (held back)
I'll let someone else look at the other rosters.
Sickening and disgusting cheaters who I will not repect the achievements of.
And btw, hope you're enjoying the tournament. You might want to check out some birthdates of the kids playing.
Why don't you enlighten the simple minded of us?
Quick snapshot of Duke's key offense players
Josh Dionne – 23 year old senior born in April (held back)
Folwer – 22 yr old sr born in dec (older end)
Jordan wolf - 22 yr old sr born in dec (older end)
Matheis – sophomore born in oct (held back)
Deemer class – soph, 21 in June (held back)
Myles jones – soph turned 21 in march (held back)
I'll let someone else look at the other rosters.
Unbelievable!! I wouldn't want my child to be living in a dorm room at 23. My 23 year old was a Div.1 athlete and is living and working in NYC for 2 years already. To each their own...
And btw, hope you're enjoying the tournament. You might want to check out some birthdates of the kids playing.
Why don't you enlighten the simple minded of us?
Quick snapshot of Duke's key offense players
Josh Dionne – 23 year old senior born in April (held back)
Folwer – 22 yr old sr born in dec (older end)
Jordan wolf - 22 yr old sr born in dec (older end)
Matheis – sophomore born in oct (held back)
Deemer class – soph, 21 in June (held back)
Myles jones – soph turned 21 in march (held back)
I'll let someone else look at the other rosters.
Myle Jones did a PG year, probably due to academics to get him into Duke. That is why he is 21 yr. old soph. I wouldn't consider him a hold back. No different than a redshirt year.
And btw, hope you're enjoying the tournament. You might want to check out some birthdates of the kids playing.
Why don't you enlighten the simple minded of us?
Quick snapshot of Duke's key offense players
Josh Dionne – 23 year old senior born in April (held back)
Folwer – 22 yr old sr born in dec (older end)
Jordan wolf - 22 yr old sr born in dec (older end)
Matheis – sophomore born in oct (held back)
Deemer class – soph, 21 in June (held back)
Myles jones – soph turned 21 in march (held back)
I'll let someone else look at the other rosters.
Duke must have stopped listing the players date of birth on the player bio. DOB is listed for upperclassman but not for any of freshmen.
I wonder why Duke stopped listing DOB for the freshmen class?
Considering that all of the freshman came out of private or prep schools I would imagine that there are some holdbacks or older kids in the class.
And btw, hope you're enjoying the tournament. You might want to check out some birthdates of the kids playing.
Why don't you enlighten the simple minded of us?
Quick snapshot of Duke's key offense players
Josh Dionne – 23 year old senior born in April (held back)
Folwer – 22 yr old sr born in dec (older end)
Jordan wolf - 22 yr old sr born in dec (older end)
Matheis – sophomore born in oct (held back)
Deemer class – soph, 21 in June (held back)
Myles jones – soph turned 21 in march (held back)
I'll let someone else look at the other rosters.
Duke must have stopped listing the players date of birth on the player bio. DOB is listed for upperclassman but not for any of freshmen.
I wonder why Duke stopped listing DOB for the freshmen class?
Considering that all of the freshman came out of private or prep schools I would imagine that there are some holdbacks or older kids in the class.
Can someone list a bench warmer on one of Dukes past few years teams who is making $100k.
And btw, hope you're enjoying the tournament. You might want to check out some birthdates of the kids playing.
Why don't you enlighten the simple minded of us?
Quick snapshot of Duke's key offense players
Josh Dionne – 23 year old senior born in April (held back)
Folwer – 22 yr old sr born in dec (older end)
Jordan wolf - 22 yr old sr born in dec (older end)
Matheis – sophomore born in oct (held back)
Deemer class – soph, 21 in June (held back)
Myles jones – soph turned 21 in march (held back)
I'll let someone else look at the other rosters.
Myle Jones did a PG year, probably due to academics to get him into Duke. That is why he is 21 yr. old soph. I wouldn't consider him a hold back. No different than a redshirt year.
M Jones was NOT a holdback player.
Haven't heard much about this. Anyone going?
And btw, hope you're enjoying the tournament. You might want to check out some birthdates of the kids playing.
Why don't you enlighten the simple minded of us?
Quick snapshot of Duke's key offense players
Josh Dionne – 23 year old senior born in April (held back)
Folwer – 22 yr old sr born in dec (older end)
Jordan wolf - 22 yr old sr born in dec (older end)
Matheis – sophomore born in oct (held back)
Deemer class – soph, 21 in June (held back)
Myles jones – soph turned 21 in march (held back)
I'll let someone else look at the other rosters.
Myle Jones did a PG year, probably due to academics to get him into Duke. That is why he is 21 yr. old soph. I wouldn't consider him a hold back. No different than a redshirt year.
M Jones was NOT a holdback player.
Why is a PG year different than reclassing at a younger age?
Why is a non medical redshirt year different than reclassing or holding back at a younger age?
And btw, hope you're enjoying the tournament. You might want to check out some birthdates of the kids playing.
Why don't you enlighten the simple minded of us?
Quick snapshot of Duke's key offense players
Josh Dionne – 23 year old senior born in April (held back)
Folwer – 22 yr old sr born in dec (older end)
Jordan wolf - 22 yr old sr born in dec (older end)
Matheis – sophomore born in oct (held back)
Deemer class – soph, 21 in June (held back)
Myles jones – soph turned 21 in march (held back)
I'll let someone else look at the other rosters.
Myle Jones did a PG year, probably due to academics to get him into Duke. That is why he is 21 yr. old soph. I wouldn't consider him a hold back. No different than a redshirt year.
M Jones was NOT a holdback player.
on this board, PG is the same thing. search PG and you will find pages dedicated to how that is also "cheating"
PG is clearly different. It means that the school and the kid said I need to get my grades up to perform in your institution, I have plenty of athletic ability but they want to see me get my grades up. I am not competing against younger kids today, but I will be next year.
It is not cheating.
The point is that the year of age matters alot at 8th grade, but very little after HS. Most kids are fully grown in 12th grade, most are not fully gown at 14 or 15. that is the difference.
Holding back an 8th grader to get a physical advantage over boys in the middle of puberty is cheating. It is common sense and people who do it plainly admit they are doing so to give their kid an advantage. They just dont like the fact that others call them cheaters.
PG is clearly different. It means that the school and the kid said I need to get my grades up to perform in your institution, I have plenty of athletic ability but they want to see me get my grades up. I am not competing against younger kids today, but I will be next year.
It is not cheating.
The point is that the year of age matters alot at 8th grade, but very little after HS. Most kids are fully grown in 12th grade, most are not fully gown at 14 or 15. that is the difference.
Holding back an 8th grader to get a physical advantage over boys in the middle of puberty is cheating. It is common sense and people who do it plainly admit they are doing so to give their kid an advantage. They just dont like the fact that others call them cheaters.
Right on point and saves me from writing the same.
PG is clearly different. It means that the school and the kid said I need to get my grades up to perform in your institution, I have plenty of athletic ability but they want to see me get my grades up. I am not competing against younger kids today, but I will be next year.
It is not cheating.
The point is that the year of age matters alot at 8th grade, but very little after HS. Most kids are fully grown in 12th grade, most are not fully gown at 14 or 15. that is the difference.
Holding back an 8th grader to get a physical advantage over boys in the middle of puberty is cheating. It is common sense and people who do it plainly admit they are doing so to give their kid an advantage. They just dont like the fact that others call them cheaters.
How is it not cheating when North Carolina says to a 9th grader we will give you a spot in the following year's class after you PG. Hardly about grades. They did it this year with a current 2017 from texas who agreed to PG
PG is clearly different. It means that the school and the kid said I need to get my grades up to perform in your institution, I have plenty of athletic ability but they want to see me get my grades up. I am not competing against younger kids today, but I will be next year.
It is not cheating.
The point is that the year of age matters alot at 8th grade, but very little after HS. Most kids are fully grown in 12th grade, most are not fully gown at 14 or 15. that is the difference.
Holding back an 8th grader to get a physical advantage over boys in the middle of puberty is cheating. It is common sense and people who do it plainly admit they are doing so to give their kid an advantage. They just dont like the fact that others call them cheaters.
You people are "clearly" just ridiculous! Justify it however you want...PG, Reclassify, hold back, immature, blah, blah, blah, its gaining an advantage (cheating) kids of the same age. Just because "they do it" does not mean its ok. A lot of things in this world get taken advantage of, until there are guidelines put in place. Until USL does something about it people like you will take advantage of it. None of my children would have felt right about playing against kids younger than them at any age, in any sport. Two of my children have graduated as a D1 scholar athlete at 21yrs. old, & my 3rd, hopefully, will do the same. just how we roll here in LI!
PG is clearly different. It means that the school and the kid said I need to get my grades up to perform in your institution, I have plenty of athletic ability but they want to see me get my grades up. I am not competing against younger kids today, but I will be next year.
It is not cheating.
The point is that the year of age matters alot at 8th grade, but very little after HS. Most kids are fully grown in 12th grade, most are not fully gown at 14 or 15. that is the difference.
Holding back an 8th grader to get a physical advantage over boys in the middle of puberty is cheating. It is common sense and people who do it plainly admit they are doing so to give their kid an advantage. They just dont like the fact that others call them cheaters.
How is it not cheating when North Carolina says to a 9th grader we will give you a spot in the following year's class after you PG. Hardly about grades. They did it this year with a current 2017 from texas who agreed to PG
PG means post grad. After HS is over you do a year at a PG school. Not cheating at all. The kid then goes to college a year later and plays against kids who are older than him. Repeating a year of school in 8th grade to gain an advantage by dropping into the lower grad year is pure cheating.
PG is clearly different. It means that the school and the kid said I need to get my grades up to perform in your institution, I have plenty of athletic ability but they want to see me get my grades up. I am not competing against younger kids today, but I will be next year.
It is not cheating.
The point is that the year of age matters alot at 8th grade, but very little after HS. Most kids are fully grown in 12th grade, most are not fully gown at 14 or 15. that is the difference.
Holding back an 8th grader to get a physical advantage over boys in the middle of puberty is cheating. It is common sense and people who do it plainly admit they are doing so to give their kid an advantage. They just dont like the fact that others call them cheaters.
How is it not cheating when North Carolina says to a 9th grader we will give you a spot in the following year's class after you PG. Hardly about grades. They did it this year with a current 2017 from texas who agreed to PG
PG means post grad. After HS is over you do a year at a PG school. Not cheating at all. The kid then goes to college a year later and plays against kids who are older than him. Repeating a year of school in 8th grade to gain an advantage by dropping into the lower grad year is pure cheating.
My mommy says its only cheating if its against the rules.
This whole thing only works in lacrosse, because sports that have real Professional leagues do not want 23-24 to draft with more bad habits to break and less peak pro years left...
For Lax, D1 college is like the pros...
None of it is cheating - bending the rules YES, cheating NO
These parents do it simply to get the child into a school they would not otherwise be able to attend.
Think about it--
4 years in CHSAA mostly riding the pines behind an upperclassman
Finally senior year you get to play but your league has only teams in it. 50/50 chance of a CHSAA championship. No arguements over brackets and seeding when there are only two teams. Instead, you travel the northeast for a regular season of out of conference friendlies which mean nothing.
You then get to Duke only to ride the pines again or maybe if you are truly good you see the field. NONE of your classmates care. The attendence is tiny despite the strong performance of the team. Heck Duke football (normally a joke - yes they were good this year) draws tens of thousands of fans but lacrosse less than 1,000 for most home games
Five/Six years later your son graduates with a Duke degree thanks to your willingess and resources to bend the rules. I do not see a problem with this - BRAVO
None of it is cheating - bending the rules YES, cheating NO
These parents do it simply to get the child into a school they would not otherwise be able to attend.
Think about it--
4 years in CHSAA mostly riding the pines behind an upperclassman
Finally senior year you get to play but your league has only teams in it. 50/50 chance of a CHSAA championship. No arguements over brackets and seeding when there are only two teams. Instead, you travel the northeast for a regular season of out of conference friendlies which mean nothing.
You then get to Duke only to ride the pines again or maybe if you are truly good you see the field. NONE of your classmates care. The attendence is tiny despite the strong performance of the team. Heck Duke football (normally a joke - yes they were good this year) draws tens of thousands of fans but lacrosse less than 1,000 for most home games
Five/Six years later your son graduates with a Duke degree thanks to your willingess and resources to bend the rules. I do not see a problem with this - BRAVO
You don't see a problem with this?...There lies the problem!
You don't see a problem with this?...There lies the problem!
I meant to use my sarcasm font. Problem yes, cheating no
None of it is cheating - bending the rules YES, cheating NO
These parents do it simply to get the child into a school they would not otherwise be able to attend.
Think about it--
4 years in CHSAA mostly riding the pines behind an upperclassman
Finally senior year you get to play but your league has only teams in it. 50/50 chance of a CHSAA championship. No arguements over brackets and seeding when there are only two teams. Instead, you travel the northeast for a regular season of out of conference friendlies which mean nothing.
You then get to Duke only to ride the pines again or maybe if you are truly good you see the field. NONE of your classmates care. The attendence is tiny despite the strong performance of the team. Heck Duke football (normally a joke - yes they were good this year) draws tens of thousands of fans but lacrosse less than 1,000 for most home games
Five/Six years later your son graduates with a Duke degree thanks to your willingess and resources to bend the rules. I do not see a problem with this - BRAVO
Sign me up.
None of it is cheating - bending the rules YES, cheating NO
These parents do it simply to get the child into a school they would not otherwise be able to attend.
Think about it--
4 years in CHSAA mostly riding the pines behind an upperclassman
Finally senior year you get to play but your league has only teams in it. 50/50 chance of a CHSAA championship. No arguements over brackets and seeding when there are only two teams. Instead, you travel the northeast for a regular season of out of conference friendlies which mean nothing.
You then get to Duke only to ride the pines again or maybe if you are truly good you see the field. NONE of your classmates care. The attendence is tiny despite the strong performance of the team. Heck Duke football (normally a joke - yes they were good this year) draws tens of thousands of fans but lacrosse less than 1,000 for most home games
Five/Six years later your son graduates with a Duke degree thanks to your willingess and resources to bend the rules. I do not see a problem with this - BRAVO
I don't see any rules being bent let alone broken. What rules? Free will baby.
My son has not been talked to by any coaches... does this eliminate the opportunity of him going to a division one school to play?
My son has not been talked to by any coaches... does this eliminate the opportunity of him going to a division one school to play?
Thais can't be a serious question. If your son is a 2017 , then as long as he's playing his best and can do well at the showcases; the calls will comme eventually. Don't put pressure on the situation. Just tell him to have fun. He will be noticed when the time is right if he has the goods.
He has a lot of time ahead of him to play and improve. Odds are in his favor if he's good.
None of it is cheating - bending the rules YES, cheating NO
These parents do it simply to get the child into a school they would not otherwise be able to attend.
Think about it--
4 years in CHSAA mostly riding the pines behind an upperclassman
Finally senior year you get to play but your league has only teams in it. 50/50 chance of a CHSAA championship. No arguements over brackets and seeding when there are only two teams. Instead, you travel the northeast for a regular season of out of conference friendlies which mean nothing.
You then get to Duke only to ride the pines again or maybe if you are truly good you see the field. NONE of your classmates care. The attendence is tiny despite the strong performance of the team. Heck Duke football (normally a joke - yes they were good this year) draws tens of thousands of fans but lacrosse less than 1,000 for most home games
Five/Six years later your son graduates with a Duke degree thanks to your willingess and resources to bend the rules. I do not see a problem with this - BRAVO
I don't see any rules being bent let alone broken. What rules? Free will baby.
I guess in the above scenario it would have made zero sense to attend a D3 school with a better academic pedigree. The benefits are plenty, play a lot as a freshman, maybe start your last three years, save the extra $30-50k. By the way, while the commitment is heavy in D3 it is not nearly the year round full-time job lacrosse has become at a top D1 program. Hence your student will be able to spend far more time on academics. Which in the end is the very reason we all do this, to get our kids the best education, Right??? Or perhaps it's just the crazy parents that have to say "Johnny is going D1".
On the other end of spectrum you have the kid that has great grades and only gets offers from some of the more obscure D1 programs, schools that the student could have gained acceptance to without lacrosse. As a parent, how do you allow this? It's like playing down academically just for lacrosse...
My son has not been talked to by any coaches... does this eliminate the opportunity of him going to a division one school to play?
Yep, its over!! Go take up track (better scholarships anyway)
My son has not been talked to by any coaches... does this eliminate the opportunity of him going to a division one school to play?
Yep, its over!! Go take up track (better scholarships anyway)
Yeah, time to look for other options...La Parma in East Williston is looking for bus boys
How are the dopes/losers the NCAA coaches? They are recruiting the best athletes many times in these cases they are the more physically developed players, they could care less what age they graduate HS, as long as they can get them wins. Thank you US Lacrosse for cow-towing to the Baltimore elite;you finally found a way to spread lacrosse,have kids outside of the tri-state area play down.
The coaches definitely know what's going on and they definitely don't care. Why should they? They aren't breaking any rules. You don't win games by standing on a principle.
However, whats troubling about some coaches is how they talk out of both sides of their mouths. They say they don't favor early recruiting, but don't do anything about it. They should simply not say anything. It's insulting. As a group they have the power to come together and influence the process, but there's no incentive for them to do so. The NCAA won't because it's governed by the schools.
Nevertheless, the chorus against early recruiting/reclassing is rising. Bill Tanton 's editorial in this month's Lacrosse Magazine spoke out against early commits and Quint has been vocal. Nothing may ever change, but the spotlight is becoming more focused.
I have to laugh at the chorus against early recruiting. One of my friends kids was one of the early recruits in question. The parents of this kid and the school are all very happy about it. The young man is having a great time on his high school team playing to win and not caring about his personal stats. So tell me what is so bad about that? He has no pressure and so he is working like heck to get good grades for the sake of learning? Anything wrong with that? The college is in constant contact and it seems like they are building a good relationship with their future recruit.
Frankly I think it is all about jealousy from the Maryland and US Lacrosse crowd because if you look closely most of the early recruits were from other areas.
If my kid were good enough to get an offer from a good college we would absolutely encourage him to take it.
By the way I hear from a lot of people that the coaches are also saving some spots on the back end for late bloomers. So it all evens out.
How are the dopes/losers the NCAA coaches? They are recruiting the best athletes many times in these cases they are the more physically developed players, they could care less what age they graduate HS, as long as they can get them wins. Thank you US Lacrosse for cow-towing to the Baltimore elite;you finally found a way to spread lacrosse,have kids outside of the tri-state area play down.
The coaches definitely know what's going on and they definitely don't care. Why should they? They aren't breaking any rules. You don't win games by standing on a principle.
However, whats troubling about some coaches is how they talk out of both sides of their mouths. They say they don't favor early recruiting, but don't do anything about it. They should simply not say anything. It's insulting. As a group they have the power to come together and influence the process, but there's no incentive for them to do so. The NCAA won't because it's governed by the schools.
Nevertheless, the chorus against early recruiting/reclassing is rising. Bill Tanton 's editorial in this month's Lacrosse Magazine spoke out against early commits and Quint has been vocal. Nothing may ever change, but the spotlight is becoming more focused.
I have to laugh at the chorus against early recruiting. One of my friends kids was one of the early recruits in question. The parents of this kid and the school are all very happy about it. The young man is having a great time on his high school team playing to win and not caring about his personal stats. So tell me what is so bad about that? He has no pressure and so he is working like heck to get good grades for the sake of learning? Anything wrong with that? The college is in constant contact and it seems like they are building a good relationship with their future recruit.
Frankly I think it is all about jealousy from the Maryland and US Lacrosse crowd because if you look closely most of the early recruits were from other areas.
If my kid were good enough to get an offer from a good college we would absolutely encourage him to take it.
By the way I hear from a lot of people that the coaches are also saving some spots on the back end for late bloomers. So it all evens out.
Agree, it all about jealousy. Please tell me what is wrong with accepting an offer to go to a great school in the 9th or 10th grade.
How are the dopes/losers the NCAA coaches? They are recruiting the best athletes many times in these cases they are the more physically developed players, they could care less what age they graduate HS, as long as they can get them wins. Thank you US Lacrosse for cow-towing to the Baltimore elite;you finally found a way to spread lacrosse,have kids outside of the tri-state area play down.
The coaches definitely know what's going on and they definitely don't care. Why should they? They aren't breaking any rules. You don't win games by standing on a principle.
However, whats troubling about some coaches is how they talk out of both sides of their mouths. They say they don't favor early recruiting, but don't do anything about it. They should simply not say anything. It's insulting. As a group they have the power to come together and influence the process, but there's no incentive for them to do so. The NCAA won't because it's governed by the schools.
Nevertheless, the chorus against early recruiting/reclassing is rising. Bill Tanton 's editorial in this month's Lacrosse Magazine spoke out against early commits and Quint has been vocal. Nothing may ever change, but the spotlight is becoming more focused.
I have to laugh at the chorus against early recruiting. One of my friends kids was one of the early recruits in question. The parents of this kid and the school are all very happy about it. The young man is having a great time on his high school team playing to win and not caring about his personal stats. So tell me what is so bad about that? He has no pressure and so he is working like heck to get good grades for the sake of learning? Anything wrong with that? The college is in constant contact and it seems like they are building a good relationship with their future recruit.
Frankly I think it is all about jealousy from the Maryland and US Lacrosse crowd because if you look closely most of the early recruits were from other areas.
If my kid were good enough to get an offer from a good college we would absolutely encourage him to take it.
By the way I hear from a lot of people that the coaches are also saving some spots on the back end for late bloomers. So it all evens out.
A little perspective would do you guys a lot of good. In less than a decade your sons will be in the real unrelenting world, and some of the trade offs to play high level lacrosse MIGHT be a regret. Who cares if some coaches are saving some spots? If a coach wants to early recruit and close out a 2017 class before these kids finish freshman year, let them. That applies to 3, maybe 4 programs. The money in this sport blows. 12.6 over 45-50 roster spots? I mean, my niece who plays field hockey is better set up for a better scholarship yield than any of our sons will be just by being an average recruit.
Lacrosse is a lousy financial strategy to pay for college. It is not a sport you can make a living on professionally. It is a sport that can get you into a good school. In my experience as a D1 athlete, the burdens on time and my energy meant I didn't make the best grades in college. And that is a very typical thing in D1 sports. If you go to a good one like a Duke or a U Michigan but graduate with a 2.8, you lost all the advantages of a degree from a good school. You are in line behind the 3.3s-4.0s at Duke and Georgetown, and then there are the 4.0 kids from Towson State who worked their way through college. Find me employers that could give a crap about Johnny All-America in any fill-in-the-blank sport, and I would be impressed. Didn't help me, and didn't make much of a difference for the kids I tried to help leaving good schools like Duke and Georgetown where they were student athletes.
If your kid were good enough to get an offer from UNC, then great. But if he is good enough a student to get an Ivy spot...what are you thinking to take UNC?!? If anyone gave an ounce of credibility to some of the posters on this thread, you'd think that kids who are not committed but are being looked at this Summer by Ivies or Notre Dame for example are losers who might as well kill themselves now because it won't/can't get better.
Good thing is if the kid is a good enough lacrosse player, you can get what you want. If you want junior to go to UNC and lax bro out and live with you for a year or two after he graduates looking for someone to bite on his 2.9 GPA and lacrosse resume, then yes...you got what you wanted. Congrats.
How are the dopes/losers the NCAA coaches? They are recruiting the best athletes many times in these cases they are the more physically developed players, they could care less what age they graduate HS, as long as they can get them wins. Thank you US Lacrosse for cow-towing to the Baltimore elite;you finally found a way to spread lacrosse,have kids outside of the tri-state area play down.
The coaches definitely know what's going on and they definitely don't care. Why should they? They aren't breaking any rules. You don't win games by standing on a principle.
However, whats troubling about some coaches is how they talk out of both sides of their mouths. They say they don't favor early recruiting, but don't do anything about it. They should simply not say anything. It's insulting. As a group they have the power to come together and influence the process, but there's no incentive for them to do so. The NCAA won't because it's governed by the schools.
Nevertheless, the chorus against early recruiting/reclassing is rising. Bill Tanton 's editorial in this month's Lacrosse Magazine spoke out against early commits and Quint has been vocal. Nothing may ever change, but the spotlight is becoming more focused.
I have to laugh at the chorus against early recruiting. One of my friends kids was one of the early recruits in question. The parents of this kid and the school are all very happy about it. The young man is having a great time on his high school team playing to win and not caring about his personal stats. So tell me what is so bad about that? He has no pressure and so he is working like heck to get good grades for the sake of learning? Anything wrong with that? The college is in constant contact and it seems like they are building a good relationship with their future recruit.
Frankly I think it is all about jealousy from the Maryland and US Lacrosse crowd because if you look closely most of the early recruits were from other areas.
If my kid were good enough to get an offer from a good college we would absolutely encourage him to take it.
By the way I hear from a lot of people that the coaches are also saving some spots on the back end for late bloomers. So it all evens out.
A little perspective would do you guys a lot of good. In less than a decade your sons will be in the real unrelenting world, and some of the trade offs to play high level lacrosse MIGHT be a regret. Who cares if some coaches are saving some spots? If a coach wants to early recruit and close out a 2017 class before these kids finish freshman year, let them. That applies to 3, maybe 4 programs. The money in this sport blows. 12.6 over 45-50 roster spots? I mean, my niece who plays field hockey is better set up for a better scholarship yield than any of our sons will be just by being an average recruit.
Lacrosse is a lousy financial strategy to pay for college. It is not a sport you can make a living on professionally. It is a sport that can get you into a good school. In my experience as a D1 athlete, the burdens on time and my energy meant I didn't make the best grades in college. And that is a very typical thing in D1 sports. If you go to a good one like a Duke or a U Michigan but graduate with a 2.8, you lost all the advantages of a degree from a good school. You are in line behind the 3.3s-4.0s at Duke and Georgetown, and then there are the 4.0 kids from Towson State who worked their way through college. Find me employers that could give a crap about Johnny All-America in any fill-in-the-blank sport, and I would be impressed. Didn't help me, and didn't make much of a difference for the kids I tried to help leaving good schools like Duke and Georgetown where they were student athletes.
If your kid were good enough to get an offer from UNC, then great. But if he is good enough a student to get an Ivy spot...what are you thinking to take UNC?!? If anyone gave an ounce of credibility to some of the posters on this thread, you'd think that kids who are not committed but are being looked at this Summer by Ivies or Notre Dame for example are losers who might as well kill themselves now because it won't/can't get better.
Good thing is if the kid is a good enough lacrosse player, you can get what you want. If you want junior to go to UNC and lax bro out and live with you for a year or two after he graduates looking for someone to bite on his 2.9 GPA and lacrosse resume, then yes...you got what you wanted. Congrats.
My friend, your words are crystal clear and as real as it gets. Thanks for sharing!
Of all the 2017's commited what are the top three "schools" that these players are headed to?
How are the dopes/losers the NCAA coaches? They are recruiting the best athletes many times in these cases they are the more physically developed players, they could care less what age they graduate HS, as long as they can get them wins. Thank you US Lacrosse for cow-towing to the Baltimore elite;you finally found a way to spread lacrosse,have kids outside of the tri-state area play down.
The coaches definitely know what's going on and they definitely don't care. Why should they? They aren't breaking any rules. You don't win games by standing on a principle.
However, whats troubling about some coaches is how they talk out of both sides of their mouths. They say they don't favor early recruiting, but don't do anything about it. They should simply not say anything. It's insulting. As a group they have the power to come together and influence the process, but there's no incentive for them to do so. The NCAA won't because it's governed by the schools.
Nevertheless, the chorus against early recruiting/reclassing is rising. Bill Tanton 's editorial in this month's Lacrosse Magazine spoke out against early commits and Quint has been vocal. Nothing may ever change, but the spotlight is becoming more focused.
I have to laugh at the chorus against early recruiting. One of my friends kids was one of the early recruits in question. The parents of this kid and the school are all very happy about it. The young man is having a great time on his high school team playing to win and not caring about his personal stats. So tell me what is so bad about that? He has no pressure and so he is working like heck to get good grades for the sake of learning? Anything wrong with that? The college is in constant contact and it seems like they are building a good relationship with their future recruit.
Frankly I think it is all about jealousy from the Maryland and US Lacrosse crowd because if you look closely most of the early recruits were from other areas.
If my kid were good enough to get an offer from a good college we would absolutely encourage him to take it.
By the way I hear from a lot of people that the coaches are also saving some spots on the back end for late bloomers. So it all evens out.
A little perspective would do you guys a lot of good. In less than a decade your sons will be in the real unrelenting world, and some of the trade offs to play high level lacrosse MIGHT be a regret. Who cares if some coaches are saving some spots? If a coach wants to early recruit and close out a 2017 class before these kids finish freshman year, let them. That applies to 3, maybe 4 programs. The money in this sport blows. 12.6 over 45-50 roster spots? I mean, my niece who plays field hockey is better set up for a better scholarship yield than any of our sons will be just by being an average recruit.
Lacrosse is a lousy financial strategy to pay for college. It is not a sport you can make a living on professionally. It is a sport that can get you into a good school. In my experience as a D1 athlete, the burdens on time and my energy meant I didn't make the best grades in college. And that is a very typical thing in D1 sports. If you go to a good one like a Duke or a U Michigan but graduate with a 2.8, you lost all the advantages of a degree from a good school. You are in line behind the 3.3s-4.0s at Duke and Georgetown, and then there are the 4.0 kids from Towson State who worked their way through college. Find me employers that could give a crap about Johnny All-America in any fill-in-the-blank sport, and I would be impressed. Didn't help me, and didn't make much of a difference for the kids I tried to help leaving good schools like Duke and Georgetown where they were student athletes.
If your kid were good enough to get an offer from UNC, then great. But if he is good enough a student to get an Ivy spot...what are you thinking to take UNC?!? If anyone gave an ounce of credibility to some of the posters on this thread, you'd think that kids who are not committed but are being looked at this Summer by Ivies or Notre Dame for example are losers who might as well kill themselves now because it won't/can't get better.
Good thing is if the kid is a good enough lacrosse player, you can get what you want. If you want junior to go to UNC and lax bro out and live with you for a year or two after he graduates looking for someone to bite on his 2.9 GPA and lacrosse resume, then yes...you got what you wanted. Congrats.
Amen brother. Not hating on early recruits at all, but I agree 100% with this guy coming from a D1 athlete who is now a hedge fund guy. I promise you that D1 soccer didnt get me where I am today, grades and hard work did. Top quality school and grades first, lax second is the formula for LT success.
Of all the 2017's commited what are the top three "schools" that these players are headed to?
in looking at the list of 2017's committed its tough to name only three. IMO in no set order, UVA, Mich, Bucknell, UPENN. Gotta throw Air Force in there also. Acceptance & Grad rate tells the story on the above mentioned.
How are the dopes/losers the NCAA coaches? They are recruiting the best athletes many times in these cases they are the more physically developed players, they could care less what age they graduate HS, as long as they can get them wins. Thank you US Lacrosse for cow-towing to the Baltimore elite;you finally found a way to spread lacrosse,have kids outside of the tri-state area play down.
The coaches definitely know what's going on and they definitely don't care. Why should they? They aren't breaking any rules. You don't win games by standing on a principle.
However, whats troubling about some coaches is how they talk out of both sides of their mouths. They say they don't favor early recruiting, but don't do anything about it. They should simply not say anything. It's insulting. As a group they have the power to come together and influence the process, but there's no incentive for them to do so. The NCAA won't because it's governed by the schools.
Nevertheless, the chorus against early recruiting/reclassing is rising. Bill Tanton 's editorial in this month's Lacrosse Magazine spoke out against early commits and Quint has been vocal. Nothing may ever change, but the spotlight is becoming more focused.
I have to laugh at the chorus against early recruiting. One of my friends kids was one of the early recruits in question. The parents of this kid and the school are all very happy about it. The young man is having a great time on his high school team playing to win and not caring about his personal stats. So tell me what is so bad about that? He has no pressure and so he is working like heck to get good grades for the sake of learning? Anything wrong with that? The college is in constant contact and it seems like they are building a good relationship with their future recruit.
Frankly I think it is all about jealousy from the Maryland and US Lacrosse crowd because if you look closely most of the early recruits were from other areas.
If my kid were good enough to get an offer from a good college we would absolutely encourage him to take it.
By the way I hear from a lot of people that the coaches are also saving some spots on the back end for late bloomers. So it all evens out.
A little perspective would do you guys a lot of good. In less than a decade your sons will be in the real unrelenting world, and some of the trade offs to play high level lacrosse MIGHT be a regret. Who cares if some coaches are saving some spots? If a coach wants to early recruit and close out a 2017 class before these kids finish freshman year, let them. That applies to 3, maybe 4 programs. The money in this sport blows. 12.6 over 45-50 roster spots? I mean, my niece who plays field hockey is better set up for a better scholarship yield than any of our sons will be just by being an average recruit.
Lacrosse is a lousy financial strategy to pay for college. It is not a sport you can make a living on professionally. It is a sport that can get you into a good school. In my experience as a D1 athlete, the burdens on time and my energy meant I didn't make the best grades in college. And that is a very typical thing in D1 sports. If you go to a good one like a Duke or a U Michigan but graduate with a 2.8, you lost all the advantages of a degree from a good school. You are in line behind the 3.3s-4.0s at Duke and Georgetown, and then there are the 4.0 kids from Towson State who worked their way through college. Find me employers that could give a crap about Johnny All-America in any fill-in-the-blank sport, and I would be impressed. Didn't help me, and didn't make much of a difference for the kids I tried to help leaving good schools like Duke and Georgetown where they were student athletes.
If your kid were good enough to get an offer from UNC, then great. But if he is good enough a student to get an Ivy spot...what are you thinking to take UNC?!? If anyone gave an ounce of credibility to some of the posters on this thread, you'd think that kids who are not committed but are being looked at this Summer by Ivies or Notre Dame for example are losers who might as well kill themselves now because it won't/can't get better.
Good thing is if the kid is a good enough lacrosse player, you can get what you want. If you want junior to go to UNC and lax bro out and live with you for a year or two after he graduates looking for someone to bite on his 2.9 GPA and lacrosse resume, then yes...you got what you wanted. Congrats.
One of the best posts I've seen in a long time. Healthy straight talk as real as it gets. That's why I'm a huge proponent of D1 talent going to an academically superior D3 if they can handle the lack of academic support. What's better in the long run? Riding the pine with a shallow academic experience at "big name ACC" (before you bite my head off read the recent news headlines out of Chapel Hill) or having a better chance at playing a lot (although don't kid yourself, most kids could not see the field at some of these D3s) and hopefully benefiting from the prestige and alumni network of Amherst, Williams and the like?
Of all the 2017's commited what are the top three "schools" that these players are headed to?
in looking at the list of 2017's committed its tough to name only three. IMO in no set order, UVA, Mich, Bucknell, UPENN. Gotta throw Air Force in there also. Acceptance & Grad rate tells the story on the above mentioned.
Our 2017 early commit is aware that lax is a stepping stone to a great D1 school and that once in; his attentions will be academics first, second and lax 3rd. We couldn't care less if he sees the field or not. (Which is unlikely that he won't). He mapped this out himself and his plan thus far is bearing the early fruits and he understands that it is but the first of many steps. We got lucky with this kid. He could have went another way but his level of focus at this age is uncanny and we're just letting him run with it.
So far so good.
Why is the common response always "jealous" if you do not agree with early recruitment? To think any 2017 is a lock to see the field when he enters college is a ridiculous statement. In three years before he gets there as a college freshman much can happen including recruiting a better player. Do you think colleges stopped looking because they have a commitment to players. They are always looking for better. Good for any student athlete who gets an early commit. But, colleges are recruiting too early. This should be regulated by the NCAA. This early recruiting will hurt colleges down the road and in ten years the programs will see the effect.
Any 2017 mapping out his future who is determined and motivated I see great for him! Too many high school students lack that direction and purpose for success. What starts now will continue throughout life in all areas.
Why is the common response always "jealous" if you do not agree with early recruitment? To think any 2017 is a lock to see the field when he enters college is a ridiculous statement. In three years before he gets there as a college freshman much can happen including recruiting a better player. Do you think colleges stopped looking because they have a commitment to players. They are always looking for better. Good for any student athlete who gets an early commit. But, colleges are recruiting too early. This should be regulated by the NCAA. This early recruiting will hurt colleges down the road and in ten years the programs will see the effect.
Any 2017 mapping out his future who is determined and motivated I see great for him! Too many high school students lack that direction and purpose for success. What starts now will continue throughout life in all areas.
Lacrosse has always been fortunate to have the cream of the crop of student/athlete. Many times these players have their priorities straight and do see their future better than some others by freshman year. As I am sure they would if they didn't play lacrosse. and yes, there are those student athletes who are not as studious and there are good schools for them to attend (that aren't the best academically but still very good) and why is that great some because you don't want to overwhelm any student in college either.
The fit for a student is the most important thing. So for those committing early I am sure the folks are being realistic.
With the sport seeing dramatic increases across the country, the student/athlete will still be the jewel for the college coaches. Be it in Frosh or Soph year. But for those of us watching at home - don't forget that Denver player who went to 205 after he graduated HS and took the chance Denver gave him (Denver was a relative no name at the time - they went on the map after they came to LI and Beat Duke at Bethpage).
Just remember there is always a Denver Marquette as well as a Williams or Tufts. Don't forget Ohio and Michigan.
Good luck to all of you. and don't forget we are all from LI. So cheer on those boys on TV!!!!!
Denver was not a relative no name. With bill tierney coaching that team they were considered an up and coming team when they showed up at bethpage and beat duke. If you realize anything about lacrosse here on Long Island the tierney name means quite a bit. The only surprise is that Denver only has two Long Island players on the team. A former st Anthony player and a levittown goalie. Has everyone forgotten were bill tierney came the news paper did when they printed no Long Island ties to Denver last week in the paper.
Denver was not a relative no name. With bill tierney coaching that team they were considered an up and coming team when they showed up at bethpage and beat duke. If you realize anything about lacrosse here on Long Island the tierney name means quite a bit. The only surprise is that Denver only has two Long Island players on the team. A former st Anthony player and a levittown goalie. Has everyone forgotten were bill tierney came the news paper did when they printed no Long Island ties to Denver last week in the paper.
Just as Meade at furman. Realitive no name lax school. Give it 2 years and it becomes relavent. Great coaches at no name lax schools. Equals opportunities.
Does anyone know if there is going to be a Be the Best tryout this year for 2017?
No tryout, but I heard next year 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020 20121 teams all coming. I like what they do and how they do it. Small program but do it right.
They already have a team coming up? They won't let other kids try out?
No tryout, but I heard next year 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020 20121 teams all coming. I like what they do and how they do it. Small program but do it right.
This group was about to go out of existence, and then was resurrected after the Jester split. They are solid lacrosse guys, but what have they done to say they "do it right"?
If they are adding teams next year, they should get there website up and running.
Click on the Be the Best line under LI Clubs and it looks like you are going to a dating site.
Does anyone know if there is going to be a Be the Best tryout this year for 2017?
You probably don't want to play on any team having tryouts now?!?!
If you are still trying to get on a team I would try contacting a larger program (that's all of them) and maybe someone has a spot available.
They do it right by being honest and telling you excatly what you are getting. 9 mids, 6 attack, 6 defense, 2 goalies. You know going in. You don't show up after paying because you only had 24 hours to make a decision and find out there are 12 mids 8 attack 8 defense and 2 goalies. The coaches are solid good guys who know the game, played the game and have been coaching for 25+ years on all levels. They only have 2 teams this year but I always hear good things about them. They do winter workouts, spring league and then solid summer schedule and it doesnt cost you an arm and a leg. I may try to track them down this weekend and get more info. They are playing in the JDRF.
What does this have to do with the Jesters?
[quote=Anonymous]They do it right by being honest and telling you excatly what you are getting. 9 mids, 6 attack, 6 defense, 2 goalies. You know going in. You don't show up after paying because you only had 24 hours to make a decision and find out there are 12 mids 8 attack 8 defense and 2 goalies. The coaches are solid good guys who know the game, played the game and have been coaching for 25+ years on all levels. They only have 2 teams this year but I always hear good things about them. They do winter workouts, spring league and then solid summer schedule and it doesnt cost you an arm and a leg. I may try to track them down this weekend and get more info. They are playing in the JDRF
Where did youth team play in the spring?
They do it right by being honest and telling you excatly what you are getting. 9 mids, 6 attack, 6 defense, 2 goalies. You know going in. You don't show up after paying because you only had 24 hours to make a decision and find out there are 12 mids 8 attack 8 defense and 2 goalies. The coaches are solid good guys who know the game, played the game and have been coaching for 25+ years on all levels. They only have 2 teams this year but I always hear good things about them. They do winter workouts, spring league and then solid summer schedule and it doesnt cost you an arm and a leg. I may try to track them down this weekend and get more info. They are playing in the JDRF.
You know all this how? Sounds like lot of insight for someone looking to track them down. lol
Good luck!!
My sons team practices at the same field and you know how parents are. Have to talk to someone and find out if the grass in greener. These days you have to do your homework. Or spy work lol
They do it right by being honest and telling you excatly what you are getting. 9 mids, 6 attack, 6 defense, 2 goalies. You know going in. You don't show up after paying because you only had 24 hours to make a decision and find out there are 12 mids 8 attack 8 defense and 2 goalies. The coaches are solid good guys who know the game, played the game and have been coaching for 25+ years on all levels. They only have 2 teams this year but I always hear good things about them. They do winter workouts, spring league and then solid summer schedule and it doesnt cost you an arm and a leg. I may try to track them down this weekend and get more info. They are playing in the JDRF.
You know all this how? Sounds like lot of insight for someone looking to track them down. lol
Good luck!!
Not bashing them here, I think they know the game. However, there's a reason they folded this thing to begin with. I have heard that they were a bit disorganized and things weren't run very well. Couldn't handle the non-lacrosse stuff, as the program grew it got worse. From my experience there needs to be a solid administrator involved.... I wish them luck.
They do it right by being honest and telling you excatly what you are getting. 9 mids, 6 attack, 6 defense, 2 goalies. You know going in. You don't show up after paying because you only had 24 hours to make a decision and find out there are 12 mids 8 attack 8 defense and 2 goalies. The coaches are solid good guys who know the game, played the game and have been coaching for 25+ years on all levels. They only have 2 teams this year but I always hear good things about them. They do winter workouts, spring league and then solid summer schedule and it doesnt cost you an arm and a leg. I may try to track them down this weekend and get more info. They are playing in the JDRF.
You know all this how? Sounds like lot of insight for someone looking to track them down. lol
Good luck!!
Not bashing them here, I think they know the game. However, there's a reason they folded this thing to begin with. I have heard that they were a bit disorganized and things weren't run very well. Couldn't handle the non-lacrosse stuff, as the program grew it got worse. From my experience there needs to be a solid administrator involved.... I wish them luck.
You sound like a lot of Maryland parents. Large amounts of non-lacrosse stuff at the high school ages, which is really pathetic. If these are "elite" clubs, why they can't just keep the parents away and pick and play the best kids is a hard thing to understand.
Thoughts on top 20 tryouts? A lot of talent! Will kids that play JV have a shot?
thought the competition was tight. Didn't see to many kids that didn't belong. tough to judge on just 2 halves.
Congratulations to Coach Channy the Express 2017 Orange team. Two of their kids played on State Championship teams today. Reflects well on the whole team.
Under Armour tryouts - what can 2017s expect out of the event? Also, tough timing for the Catholics with comps this week. Anyone choosing not to go?
wth? So 2 kids who happen to play express played in the state championship and somehow that reflects on the whole LIE team? I don't think even he would take credit for that.
The team with real players for 2017 is 91--
No one else in this division has attack players like them. Maybe fl$ should have taken them when they tried out.really?
Congratulations to Coach Channy the Express 2017 Orange team. Two of their kids played on State Championship teams today. Reflects well on the whole team.
How? Were they the stat leaders? If not, going along for the ride is not immpressive!
The team with real players for 2017 is 91--
No one else in this division has attack players like them. Maybe fl$ should have taken them when they tried out.really?
Turtles destroy 91, sorry!
C'mon you know 91 is not in that class with express at that age group .
C'mon you know 91 is not in that class with express at that age group .
No they are beyond express
Who made the LI showcase for suffolk?
When is second round cuts
Under Armour tryouts - what can 2017s expect out of the event? Also, tough timing for the Catholics with comps this week. Anyone choosing not to go?
too many talented kids won't go because of this
The team with real players for 2017 is 91--
No one else in this division has attack players like them. Maybe fl$ should have taken them when they tried out.really?
Turtles destroy 91, sorry!
Is this the 2022 thread? Which team is better? fl$ should have grabbed them? Come on, grow up!It doesn't matter at this age as long as you are in recruiting tournaments. Bragging rights as to which team is better is for dumb parents who are concerned with the team magnet on the back of their car. If your son is a defensemen, you'd rather have those attack on an opponents team so that you/coaches can see how they rate against the best.
The team with real players for 2017 is 91--
No one else in this division has attack players like them. Maybe fl$ should have taken them when they tried out.really?
Turtles destroy 91, sorry!
Is this the 2022 thread? Which team is better? fl$ should have grabbed them? Come on, grow up!It doesn't matter at this age as long as you are in recruiting tournaments. Bragging rights as to which team is better is for dumb parents who are concerned with the team magnet on the back of their car. If your son is a defensemen, you'd rather have those attack on an opponents team so that you/coaches can see how they rate against the best.
Those recruiters are there usually looking at specific kids don't fool yourself.
[quote=Anonymous]The team with real players for 2017 is 91--
No one else in this division has attack players like them. Maybe fl$ should have taken them when they tried out.really?
Turtles destroy 91, sorry!
Is this the 2022 thread? Which team is better? fl$ should have grabbed them? Come on, grow up!It doesn't matter at this age as long as you are in recruiting tournaments. Bragging rights as to which team is better is for dumb parents who are concerned with the team magnet on the back of their car. If your son is a defensemen, you'd rather have those attack on an opponents team so that you/coaches can see how they rate against the best.
Those recruiters are there usually looking at specific kids don't fool yourself. [/quot
You're all fooling yourselves. The coaches are way more interested in how the kid plays in individual events, with no support from the team or "system". If you notice, almost every school now has their own prospect camp. They want to see what the kids can do on their own. The tournaments are becoming less and less important. Individual events will highlight a players lax IQ and specific talents and expose what's missing. For example, can an attack just finish? Or can he dodge, feed, ride, go rt and lft, can he go from up top? With no game plan or plays, will the player attempt all these things?
[quote=Anonymous]The team with real players for 2017 is 91--
No one else in this division has attack players like them. Maybe fl$ should have taken them when they tried out.really?
Turtles destroy 91, sorry!
Is this the 2022 thread? Which team is better? fl$ should have grabbed them? Come on, grow up!It doesn't matter at this age as long as you are in recruiting tournaments. Bragging rights as to which team is better is for dumb parents who are concerned with the team magnet on the back of their car. If your son is a defensemen, you'd rather have those attack on an opponents team so that you/coaches can see how they rate against the best.
Those recruiters are there usually looking at specific kids don't fool yourself. [/quot
You're all fooling yourselves. The coaches are way more interested in how the kid plays in individual events, with no support from the team or "system". If you notice, almost every school now has their own prospect camp. They want to see what the kids can do on their own. The tournaments are becoming less and less important. Individual events will highlight a players lax IQ and specific talents and expose what's missing. For example, can an attack just finish? Or can he dodge, feed, ride, go rt and lft, can he go from up top? With no game plan or plays, will the player attempt all these things?
It's still fun to talk about which team will win and if parents of those teams want to, then let them, last I checked its a free country. No one said what you and the previous poster wrote is wrong. Anyway, my kids team will beat both Turtles and 91 this year, so there! See you at the Crabfeast!
[quote=Anonymous]The team with real players for 2017 is 91--
No one else in this division has attack players like them. Maybe fl$ should have taken them when they tried out.really?
Turtles destroy 91, sorry!
Is this the 2022 thread? Which team is better? fl$ should have grabbed them? Come on, grow up!It doesn't matter at this age as long as you are in recruiting tournaments. Bragging rights as to which team is better is for dumb parents who are concerned with the team magnet on the back of their car. If your son is a defensemen, you'd rather have those attack on an opponents team so that you/coaches can see how they rate against the best.
Those recruiters are there usually looking at specific kids don't fool yourself. [/quot
You're all fooling yourselves. The coaches are way more interested in how the kid plays in individual events, with no support from the team or "system". If you notice, almost every school now has their own prospect camp. They want to see what the kids can do on their own. The tournaments are becoming less and less important. Individual events will highlight a players lax IQ and specific talents and expose what's missing. For example, can an attack just finish? Or can he dodge, feed, ride, go rt and lft, can he go from up top? With no game plan or plays, will the player attempt all these things?
This lack of "system" as well as no game plan or plays typically results in the ball in the stick way too long and very tough to watch, if anyone was at Nassau/Suffolk this was happening on just about every possession for both sides, "don't pass the ball as you will never get it back" was a great quote from one parent that day.
[quote=Anonymous]The team with real players for 2017 is 91--
No one else in this division has attack players like them. Maybe fl$ should have taken them when they tried out.really?
Turtles destroy 91, sorry!
Is this the 2022 thread? Which team is better? fl$ should have grabbed them? Come on, grow up!It doesn't matter at this age as long as you are in recruiting tournaments. Bragging rights as to which team is better is for dumb parents who are concerned with the team magnet on the back of their car. If your son is a defensemen, you'd rather have those attack on an opponents team so that you/coaches can see how they rate against the best.
Those recruiters are there usually looking at specific kids don't fool yourself. [/quot
You're all fooling yourselves. The coaches are way more interested in how the kid plays in individual events, with no support from the team or "system". If you notice, almost every school now has their own prospect camp. They want to see what the kids can do on their own. The tournaments are becoming less and less important. Individual events will highlight a players lax IQ and specific talents and expose what's missing. For example, can an attack just finish? Or can he dodge, feed, ride, go rt and lft, can he go from up top? With no game plan or plays, will the player attempt all these things?
This lack of "system" as well as no game plan or plays typically results in the ball in the stick way too long and very tough to watch, if anyone was at Nassau/Suffolk this was happening on just about every possession for both sides, "don't pass the ball as you will never get it back" was a great quote from one parent that day.
Not for nothing but that was the way Shoreham was playing this year. Keep the ball and run. Pretty much a joke to play against them.sad.
[quote=Anonymous]The team with real players for 2017 is 91--
No one else in this division has attack players like them. Maybe fl$ should have taken them when they tried out.really?
Turtles destroy 91, sorry!
Is this the 2022 thread? Which team is better? fl$ should have grabbed them? Come on, grow up!It doesn't matter at this age as long as you are in recruiting tournaments. Bragging rights as to which team is better is for dumb parents who are concerned with the team magnet on the back of their car. If your son is a defensemen, you'd rather have those attack on an opponents team so that you/coaches can see how they rate against the best.
Those recruiters are there usually looking at specific kids don't fool yourself. [/quot
You're all fooling yourselves. The coaches are way more interested in how the kid plays in individual events, with no support from the team or "system". If you notice, almost every school now has their own prospect camp. They want to see what the kids can do on their own. The tournaments are becoming less and less important. Individual events will highlight a players lax IQ and specific talents and expose what's missing. For example, can an attack just finish? Or can he dodge, feed, ride, go rt and lft, can he go from up top? With no game plan or plays, will the player attempt all these things?
This lack of "system" as well as no game plan or plays typically results in the ball in the stick way too long and very tough to watch, if anyone was at Nassau/Suffolk this was happening on just about every possession for both sides, "don't pass the ball as you will never get it back" was a great quote from one parent that day.
That maybe so at that event. However, the reason why every D1 coach in the country is on the side lines at Showtime, Philly Showcase and Jake Reed is to see the kids play without their team...
Crabfeast brackets posted.
to answer your question... my son wisely elected to forgo the UA tryouts to prepare for the comps
wth? So 2 kids who happen to play express played in the state championship and somehow that reflects on the whole LIE team? I don't think even he would take credit for that.
He Did lol
Crabfeast brackets posted.
Should be a great event. Lots of quality teams.
[quote=Anonymous]The team with real players for 2017 is 91--
No one else in this division has attack players like them. Maybe fl$ should have taken them when they tried out.really?
Turtles destroy 91, sorry!
Is this the 2022 thread? Which team is better? fl$ should have grabbed them? Come on, grow up!It doesn't matter at this age as long as you are in recruiting tournaments. Bragging rights as to which team is better is for dumb parents who are concerned with the team magnet on the back of their car. If your son is a defensemen, you'd rather have those attack on an opponents team so that you/coaches can see how they rate against the best.
Those recruiters are there usually looking at specific kids don't fool yourself. [/quot
You're all fooling yourselves. The coaches are way more interested in how the kid plays in individual events, with no support from the team or "system". If you notice, almost every school now has their own prospect camp. They want to see what the kids can do on their own. The tournaments are becoming less and less important. Individual events will highlight a players lax IQ and specific talents and expose what's missing. For example, can an attack just finish? Or can he dodge, feed, ride, go rt and lft, can he go from up top? With no game plan or plays, will the player attempt all these things?
This lack of "system" as well as no game plan or plays typically results in the ball in the stick way too long and very tough to watch, if anyone was at Nassau/Suffolk this was happening on just about every possession for both sides, "don't pass the ball as you will never get it back" was a great quote from one parent that day.
My experience is the kids who play within a team concept at the individual events and college camps are the one the coaches actually are interested in. The ball hogs are seen for what they are. Of course many kids and their parents dont understand that.
The team with real players for 2017 is 91--
No one else in this division has attack players like them. Maybe fl$ should have taken them when they tried out.really?
Turtles destroy 91, sorry!
Is this the 2022 thread? Which team is better? fl$ should have grabbed them? Come on, grow up!It doesn't matter at this age as long as you are in recruiting tournaments. Bragging rights as to which team is better is for dumb parents who are concerned with the team magnet on the back of their car. If your son is a defensemen, you'd rather have those attack on an opponents team so that you/coaches can see how they rate against the best.
2018 Parent - would love to hear what tournaments this group thinks are THE tourneys to attend in the summer between freshman and sophomore years? Thanks for any input.
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2018 Parent - would love to hear what tournaments this group thinks are THE tourneys to attend in the summer between freshman and sophomore years? Thanks for any input. [/quote]
Crabfeast is the only tournament that is meaningful.All the best teams are there hence there will be a lot of college coaches there. The other tournaments are all relatively the same.
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2018 Parent - would love to hear what tournaments this group thinks are THE tourneys to attend in the summer between freshman and sophomore years? Thanks for any input.
Crabfeast is the only tournament that is meaningful.All the best teams are there hence there will be a lot of college coaches there. The other tournaments are all relatively the same. [/quote]
Better take a look at the adrenalin platinum cup for this weekend. EVERY D1 school of note registered to watch and recruit.
2017 bracket is jacked. Only thing missing is the Maryland crews who can't form real 2017 teams
Due to the split between Adrenaline and NSCLA, their respective tournaments are both this weekend. EVERY D1 school of note will also be at NSCLA.
All really good teams will be at Crabfeast. We all know which games will get the most coaches on those sidelines.
Which one will get the most coaches? All really good teams at Crabfest? You are an a$$.
Hope your son has a great showing, but you are an a$$
My take is the Summer will be more broken up than in the past with college coaches. I disagree all the best teams are doing the same tournaments, which is a shame, but agree the teams listed for NSLCA, Crabfeast and fl$ in 3d are most impressive.
I suspect that with 2-3 legit tournaments on same weekends is the new normal, and college coaches will split up their staff to canvas it. If you saw every D1 name coach at the Crabfeast in years past, that might be a thing of the past. The Crabfeast is also diluting more in the recent year or two because the club owner just blackballs other good clubs for stupid reasons. We all get it that he hates FCA for building a great program across the street and won't let Blackwolf in either just to name two, but to not welcome these other local elite programs at his big event makes him a fool more and more. I would guess coaches need to take seriously these different places like Adrenaline, 3d and IL are now running high level tournaments. We can all find out soon enough. Also, by now we have all been to the tournament where it lists big name schools and we could swear we missed seeing the guys from those programs, or at least could note it wasn't the head coach or first assistant there. Just because Hopkins is there doesn't mean Hopkins is really there with the top two evaluators.
UA tryouts, 8 hours on the field and every D1 head coach in the country watching in Baltimore for $175 = best bargain in lacrosse.
Brine 2 hour tryout and hand back your pinkie against rec league kids for $165 = worst value and most pathetic money grab for nothing in lacrosse.
My take is the Summer will be more broken up than in the past with college coaches. I disagree all the best teams are doing the same tournaments, which is a shame, but agree the teams listed for NSLCA, Crabfeast and fl$ in 3d are most impressive.
I suspect that with 2-3 legit tournaments on same weekends is the new normal, and college coaches will split up their staff to canvas it. If you saw every D1 name coach at the Crabfeast in years past, that might be a thing of the past. The Crabfeast is also diluting more in the recent year or two because the club owner just blackballs other good clubs for stupid reasons. We all get it that he hates FCA for building a great program across the street and won't let Blackwolf in either just to name two, but to not welcome these other local elite programs at his big event makes him a fool more and more. I would guess coaches need to take seriously these different places like Adrenaline, 3d and IL are now running high level tournaments. We can all find out soon enough. Also, by now we have all been to the tournament where it lists big name schools and we could swear we missed seeing the guys from those programs, or at least could note it wasn't the head coach or first assistant there. Just because Hopkins is there doesn't mean Hopkins is really there with the top two evaluators.
Look at the almost incestuous relationship between Hopkins and the Crabs
I heard there will be a fair amount of college coaches at the Baltimore Summer Kickoff in Baltimore this weekend
As a former college coach , not lacrosse, I feel that both perspectives have validity. When we were recruiting watching games we needed to know how the athlete played within a system, what kind of team player he was and how that athlete could contribute to a team. We found that multi sport team athletes had a higher sports iq then single sport athletes. An athlete that can play within a system is usually coachable also. The skills portion of individual workouts were important but has a great flaw. Many many times we saw athletes look like absolute stars when working through skills and drills. These were talented can't miss star type players. However, these same players just had no team iq and shrunk in a game. It was more frequent a player was a little less talentd in drills but a better game performer. It was no easy process and all coaches make mistakes. The one thing that always stood out was speed you can't teach it in any sport.
As a former college coach , not lacrosse, I feel that both perspectives have validity. When we were recruiting watching games we needed to know how the athlete played within a system, what kind of team player he was and how that athlete could contribute to a team. We found that multi sport team athletes had a higher sports iq then single sport athletes. An athlete that can play within a system is usually coachable also. The skills portion of individual workouts were important but has a great flaw. Many many times we saw athletes look like absolute stars when working through skills and drills. These were talented can't miss star type players. However, these same players just had no team iq and shrunk in a game. It was more frequent a player was a little less talentd in drills but a better game performer. It was no easy process and all coaches make mistakes. The one thing that always stood out was speed you can't teach it in any sport.
Very true. Now please get back to bashing a player , team or coach.
just kidding, I think that you are spot on.
Due to the split between Adrenaline and NSCLA, their respective tournaments are both this weekend. EVERY D1 school of note will also be at NSCLA.
All really good teams will be at Crabfeast. We all know which games will get the most coaches on those sidelines.
I believe you are quite mistaken. All of the great teams are at adrenaline
Mesa fresh
Sweet lax
91
Turtles express
Laxachusetts
Dukes
West coast stars
True national black
Bring the crabs to this gauntlet. (Age appropriate, of course!)
As a former college coach , not lacrosse, I feel that both perspectives have validity. When we were recruiting watching games we needed to know how the athlete played within a system, what kind of team player he was and how that athlete could contribute to a team. We found that multi sport team athletes had a higher sports iq then single sport athletes. An athlete that can play within a system is usually coachable also. The skills portion of individual workouts were important but has a great flaw. Many many times we saw athletes look like absolute stars when working through skills and drills. These were talented can't miss star type players. However, these same players just had no team iq and shrunk in a game. It was more frequent a player was a little less talentd in drills but a better game performer. It was no easy process and all coaches make mistakes. The one thing that always stood out was speed you can't teach it in any sport.
I'll agree with the speed assessment, definitely true. You couldn't be any more wrong on your other points. Multi-sport athletes are just that, multi-sport athletes. Kids that have different interests, that's it. If two kids are of the same talent, multi-sport has nothing to do with anything. It does not make the kid any better. All you need to do is look at the Thompsons... I assure you, no amount of football or basketball gave those kids the stick skills or lacrosse IQ they have. They had talent, and it was honed for years with constant practice and a love of the game. Hence, they won lacrosse's high honor. This fact is the final nail in the coffin of this silly notion about multi-sport athletes somehow being superior lacrosse players. Once again, no amount of football will give you the skills that these Thompsons have, period, end of story.
To dispute this or say otherwise is pure ignorance.
Should also mention that Ty Xanders tweeting about busy weekend of kickoff lax...talks about Adrenaline but not Crabs...
Due to the split between Adrenaline and NSCLA, their respective tournaments are both this weekend. EVERY D1 school of note will also be at NSCLA.
All really good teams will be at Crabfeast. We all know which games will get the most coaches on those sidelines.
I believe you are quite mistaken. All of the great teams are at adrenaline
Mesa fresh
Sweet lax
91
Turtles express
Laxachusetts
Dukes
West coast stars
True national black
Bring the crabs to this gauntlet. (Age appropriate, of course!)
This is a fascinating debate. Our kid will be at the Baltimore Summer Kickoff, which is not looking like a premier one like NECKS or Adrenaline although we were sold on it as premier. I will be very interested to hear how the coaches count goes at Adrenaline ad NSLCA. I get it that NSLCA has been the big one, but the list of 8 teams going to Adrenaline looks like the top one to me in terms of quality. Dukes, Turtles and WCS is a huge and other 5 are strong too. Adrenaline also lists the schools attending. The Baltimore one lists the ones that went last year. I hope that is not a beard for this year it will be lousy, but considering where most elite teams are this weekend I am not too bullish.
Is this the start of a big time showdown between Crabs/Tierney mafia and Adrenaline?
As a former college coach , not lacrosse, I feel that both perspectives have validity. When we were recruiting watching games we needed to know how the athlete played within a system, what kind of team player he was and how that athlete could contribute to a team. We found that multi sport team athletes had a higher sports iq then single sport athletes. An athlete that can play within a system is usually coachable also. The skills portion of individual workouts were important but has a great flaw. Many many times we saw athletes look like absolute stars when working through skills and drills. These were talented can't miss star type players. However, these same players just had no team iq and shrunk in a game. It was more frequent a player was a little less talentd in drills but a better game performer. It was no easy process and all coaches make mistakes. The one thing that always stood out was speed you can't teach it in any sport.
I'll agree with the speed assessment, definitely true. You couldn't be any more wrong on your other points. Multi-sport athletes are just that, multi-sport athletes. Kids that have different interests, that's it. If two kids are of the same talent, multi-sport has nothing to do with anything. It does not make the kid any better. All you need to do is look at the Thompsons... I assure you, no amount of football or basketball gave those kids the stick skills or lacrosse IQ they have. They had talent, and it was honed for years with constant practice and a love of the game. Hence, they won lacrosse's high honor. This fact is the final nail in the coffin of this silly notion about multi-sport athletes somehow being superior lacrosse players. Once again, no amount of football will give you the skills that these Thompsons have, period, end of story.
To dispute this or say otherwise is pure ignorance.
We were at the Suffolk Lax Awards last night. A very talented group, to say the least! At least 90% of the AA team were multi-sport athletes. Not ignorant, nor are those boys!
Noone ever said guys playing basketball among D1 and NBA players at Rucker Park had high basketball IQ. What we are calling lacrosse IQ is basically game and situation experience. You get it by playing a lot, and kids in areas outside of LI and MD are playing lacrosse a lot now. In warmer climates, they are playing year round outdoors more than LI and MD kids possibly could. Kids get stick skills through a lot of practice, and kids who play a lot get them.
In Baltimore when someone says high lacrosse IQ I now think it is a crutch to find a positive when talking about a 5'7 140lb 16 year old prep school freshman whose dad played back in the day at some college. When parents of 2017s were playing this sport was so small in population that anyone who wanted to play college lacrosse could. If there is a kid who was born with a lacrosse IQ because dad played, I have not seen him yet.
I wonder how many of the best face off players were wrestlers? You ask any college lacrosse coach, or go to any recruiting seminar, like the one at 3D blue chip, they are looking for multiple player athletes, but no matter what I say you will say I am wrong and clueless, so keep having your boy train just for lax, I am sure you know more then everyone else, BTW google Fowler, great HS wrestler.
Due to the split between Adrenaline and NSCLA, their respective tournaments are both this weekend. EVERY D1 school of note will also be at NSCLA.
All really good teams will be at Crabfeast. We all know which games will get the most coaches on those sidelines.
I believe you are quite mistaken. All of the great teams are at adrenaline
Mesa fresh
Sweet lax
91
Turtles express
Laxachusetts
Dukes
West coast stars
True national black
Bring the crabs to this gauntlet. (Age appropriate, of course!)
How many Turtles are committed D1 now? 2?
I wonder how many of the best face off players were wrestlers? You ask any college lacrosse coach, or go to any recruiting seminar, like the one at 3D blue chip, they are looking for multiple player athletes, but no matter what I say you will say I am wrong and clueless, so keep having your boy train just for lax, I am sure you know more then everyone else, BTW google Fowler, great HS wrestler.
I think the best face off guy alive is some high school wrestler who has not played lacrosse yet...that position is dominated by kids who are or could be great wrestlers. Face offs clamps are not a lacrosse stick skill and FOGOs don't need other stick skills.
As a former college coach , not lacrosse, I feel that both perspectives have validity. When we were recruiting watching games we needed to know how the athlete played within a system, what kind of team player he was and how that athlete could contribute to a team. We found that multi sport team athletes had a higher sports iq then single sport athletes. An athlete that can play within a system is usually coachable also. The skills portion of individual workouts were important but has a great flaw. Many many times we saw athletes look like absolute stars when working through skills and drills. These were talented can't miss star type players. However, these same players just had no team iq and shrunk in a game. It was more frequent a player was a little less talentd in drills but a better game performer. It was no easy process and all coaches make mistakes. The one thing that always stood out was speed you can't teach it in any sport.
I'll agree with the speed assessment, definitely true. You couldn't be any more wrong on your other points. Multi-sport athletes are just that, multi-sport athletes. Kids that have different interests, that's it. If two kids are of the same talent, multi-sport has nothing to do with anything. It does not make the kid any better. All you need to do is look at the Thompsons... I assure you, no amount of football or basketball gave those kids the stick skills or lacrosse IQ they have. They had talent, and it was honed for years with constant practice and a love of the game. Hence, they won lacrosse's high honor. This fact is the final nail in the coffin of this silly notion about multi-sport athletes somehow being superior lacrosse players. Once again, no amount of football will give you the skills that these Thompsons have, period, end of story.
To dispute this or say otherwise is pure ignorance.
Your last sentence exposes YOUR ignorance, but hey it's an entertaining post. Oh, and by the way, ask any college coach if they ask the kids or parents if they play another sport
How many Turtles are committed D1 now? 2? [/quote]
Our son went to a number of Ivy days and several of the Turtles kids are headed to Ivy schools and are not listed as commits. I hope your post does not imply the Turtles are less than best 2017 team because of a commits count. I think they are the best team and have seen them pick apart other 2017 teams with more commits. If # of commits was indicator of quality this board would be gushing over how great MadLax is.
How many Turtles are committed D1 now? 2?
Our son went to a number of Ivy days and several of the Turtles kids are headed to Ivy schools and are not listed as commits. I hope your post does not imply the Turtles are less than best 2017 team because of a commits count. I think they are the best team and have seen them pick apart other 2017 teams with more commits. If # of commits was indicator of quality this board would be gushing over how great MadLax is. [/quote] How many peck are in a bushel? Who cares
I wonder how many of the best face off players were wrestlers? You ask any college lacrosse coach, or go to any recruiting seminar, like the one at 3D blue chip, they are looking for multiple player athletes, but no matter what I say you will say I am wrong and clueless, so keep having your boy train just for lax, I am sure you know more then everyone else, BTW google Fowler, great HS wrestler.
I think the best face off guy alive is some high school wrestler who has not played lacrosse yet...that position is dominated by kids who are or could be great wrestlers. Face offs clamps are not a lacrosse stick skill and FOGOs don't need other stick skills.
You are insane. Every player on the filed needs stick skill, speed and Lax IQ. Yes, I have a fogo who is also a better middie than most but happens to be exceptional at fogo...
You are insane. Every player on the filed needs stick skill, speed and Lax IQ. Yes, I have a fogo who is also a better middie than most but happens to be exceptional at fogo... [/quote]
You need stick skills and lacrosse IQ to face off ?!? Brendan Fowler has neither and he's the best at X in college game.
I wonder how many of the best face off players were wrestlers? You ask any college lacrosse coach, or go to any recruiting seminar, like the one at 3D blue chip, they are looking for multiple player athletes, but no matter what I say you will say I am wrong and clueless, so keep having your boy train just for lax, I am sure you know more then everyone else, BTW google Fowler, great HS wrestler.
I think the best face off guy alive is some high school wrestler who has not played lacrosse yet...that position is dominated by kids who are or could be great wrestlers. Face offs clamps are not a lacrosse stick skill and FOGOs don't need other stick skills.
You are insane. Every player on the filed needs stick skill, speed and Lax IQ. Yes, I have a fogo who is also a better middie than most but happens to be exceptional at fogo...
Your an Idiot if you have a player who faces off and is a better middie than most and you force him to face off then get off.
How many Turtles are committed D1 now? 2?
Our son went to a number of Ivy days and several of the Turtles kids are headed to Ivy schools and are not listed as commits. I hope your post does not imply the Turtles are less than best 2017 team because of a commits count. I think they are the best team and have seen them pick apart other 2017 teams with more commits. If # of commits was indicator of quality this board would be gushing over how great MadLax is.
How many peck are in a bushel? Who cares [/quote]
To satisfy your curiosity; 3 former and 4 current and several unarmed ivy commits
Due to the split between Adrenaline and NSCLA, their respective tournaments are both this weekend. EVERY D1 school of note will also be at NSCLA.
All really good teams will be at Crabfeast. We all know which games will get the most coaches on those sidelines.
I believe you are quite mistaken. All of the great teams are at adrenaline
Mesa fresh
Sweet lax
91
Turtles express
Laxachusetts
Dukes
West coast stars
True national black
Bring the crabs to this gauntlet. (Age appropriate, of course!)
How many Turtles are committed D1 now? 2?
D1 commits (I'm pretty sure this is correct)
6 turtles (and a few waiting on Ivy)
4 for Dukes
3 for 91
I assume Mesa & WCS have a few commits also.
How many Turtles are committed D1 now? 2?
Our son went to a number of Ivy days and several of the Turtles kids are headed to Ivy schools and are not listed as commits. I hope your post does not imply the Turtles are less than best 2017 team because of a commits count. I think they are the best team and have seen them pick apart other 2017 teams with more commits. If # of commits was indicator of quality this board would be gushing over how great MadLax is.
How many peck are in a bushel? Who cares
To satisfy your curiosity; 3 former and 4 current and several unarmed ivy commits [/quote]
I am not trying to be a wise guy, I'm just curious because of the Turtles success. But one post says 6 D1 commits now you are saying 4 current. I don't think it matters how many former there are. Whats the correct number now? Thanks in advance.
How many Turtles are committed D1 now? 2?
Our son went to a number of Ivy days and several of the Turtles kids are headed to Ivy schools and are not listed as commits. I hope your post does not imply the Turtles are less than best 2017 team because of a commits count. I think they are the best team and have seen them pick apart other 2017 teams with more commits. If # of commits was indicator of quality this board would be gushing over how great MadLax is.
How many peck are in a bushel? Who cares
To satisfy your curiosity; 3 former and 4 current and several unarmed ivy commits
I am not trying to be a wise guy, I'm just curious because of the Turtles success. But one post says 6 D1 commits now you are saying 4 current. I don't think it matters how many former there are. Whats the correct number now? Thanks in advance. [/quote]
Their website lists 2?
As a former college coach , not lacrosse, I feel that both perspectives have validity. When we were recruiting watching games we needed to know how the athlete played within a system, what kind of team player he was and how that athlete could contribute to a team. We found that multi sport team athletes had a higher sports iq then single sport athletes. An athlete that can play within a system is usually coachable also. The skills portion of individual workouts were important but has a great flaw. Many many times we saw athletes look like absolute stars when working through skills and drills. These were talented can't miss star type players. However, these same players just had no team iq and shrunk in a game. It was more frequent a player was a little less talentd in drills but a better game performer. It was no easy process and all coaches make mistakes. The one thing that always stood out was speed you can't teach it in any sport.
I'll agree with the speed assessment, definitely true. You couldn't be any more wrong on your other points. Multi-sport athletes are just that, multi-sport athletes. Kids that have different interests, that's it. If two kids are of the same talent, multi-sport has nothing to do with anything. It does not make the kid any better. All you need to do is look at the Thompsons... I assure you, no amount of football or basketball gave those kids the stick skills or lacrosse IQ they have. They had talent, and it was honed for years with constant practice and a love of the game. Hence, they won lacrosse's high honor. This fact is the final nail in the coffin of this silly notion about multi-sport athletes somehow being superior lacrosse players. Once again, no amount of football will give you the skills that these Thompsons have, period, end of story.
To dispute this or say otherwise is pure ignorance.
Not sure where I said the multi sport kid was better or even made that inference. You pick a very interesting example are you sure the thompsons played no other sports? Or how about kavanaugh from notre dame? How about miles from duke? What I wrote was fact about recruiting and the way many college coaches assess talent and potential. There is also a burnout factor in players who only play one sport. I speak frequently to my friends still coaching college sports and they continue to support what i saying. You can sit and think what you want and pick examples of great college players but how many of them played multi sports that made them better. Look at some of the great high school Long Island players and you will see an assortment of multi sport stars with a high team sport iq. We have all seen that player who looks like a star in practice and drills but come game time disappears. Does your son play just one sport? It would be a shame because one sport is so limiting athletically. All these kids should at least be trying or have tried other sports.
Honestly, to think that playing multi sports doesn't help an athlete develop skills is ignorant. There are many aspects of football, basketball, hockey and soccer that can translate well into overall lacrosse ability. Specifically stick skills no but athletic ability to run, dodge, take a hit and know how to fit into a team while being coached by different coaches are also great skills. I don't think I said one negative thing maybe that's the problem.
I wonder how many of the best face off players were wrestlers? You ask any college lacrosse coach, or go to any recruiting seminar, like the one at 3D blue chip, they are looking for multiple player athletes, but no matter what I say you will say I am wrong and clueless, so keep having your boy train just for lax, I am sure you know more then everyone else, BTW google Fowler, great HS wrestler.
First of all, 3d also tells kids to repeat grades, so you might want to find a better reference than them. Second, I can name plenty of lax only guys who are also top players. I say the multi sport athletes are playing other sports because they want to, not because it makes them any better at lacrosse. If they like playing those other sports they should continue. To infer that those other sports will make them better at lacrosse is baseless. No study out there to back that notion up. It's nothing but a school of thought. How many inner city basketball D-1 recruits are playing other sports? Is coach Cal looking for multi-sport athletes? Doubtful. Those recruits are playing basketball all the time! How many top HS D1 recruits for Soccer, Swimming, Golf, Tennis and other sports are being recruited because they are multi-sport athletes? Not many I'm sure. But according to you, in order to play lacrosse you have to play football.
Here's something that will blow your mind. I know of two recruits, for top ACC schools. Both College coaches have told the recruits to STOP playing football. As in, DONT play anymore!!! So you keep pushing your kid out there in the fall, because YOU know better.
I wonder how many of the best face off players were wrestlers? You ask any college lacrosse coach, or go to any recruiting seminar, like the one at 3D blue chip, they are looking for multiple player athletes, but no matter what I say you will say I am wrong and clueless, so keep having your boy train just for lax, I am sure you know more then everyone else, BTW google Fowler, great HS wrestler.
I think the best face off guy alive is some high school wrestler who has not played lacrosse yet...that position is dominated by kids who are or could be great wrestlers. Face offs clamps are not a lacrosse stick skill and FOGOs don't need other stick skills.
You are insane. Every player on the filed needs stick skill, speed and Lax IQ. Yes, I have a fogo who is also a better middie than most but happens to be exceptional at fogo...
I wonder how many of the best face off players were wrestlers? You ask any college lacrosse coach, or go to any recruiting seminar, like the one at 3D blue chip, they are looking for multiple player athletes, but no matter what I say you will say I am wrong and clueless, so keep having your boy train just for lax, I am sure you know more then everyone else, BTW google Fowler, great HS wrestler.
I think the best face off guy alive is some high school wrestler who has not played lacrosse yet...that position is dominated by kids who are or could be great wrestlers. Face offs clamps are not a lacrosse stick skill and FOGOs don't need other stick skills.
You are insane. Every player on the filed needs stick skill, speed and Lax IQ. Yes, I have a fogo who is also a better middie than most but happens to be exceptional at fogo...
If face off get off guys have such great face off skills why do they get off? If your fogo is better than most middies the coach should be playing him or you should find a new team so the kid can play. To be specialized at the high school level and basically podgeonholed in one area really hurts development. What is the goal if the kid takes face offs then leaves the field in ninth grade? Especially that age wouldn't you want your best athletes and players on the field?
I wonder how many of the best face off players were wrestlers? You ask any college lacrosse coach, or go to any recruiting seminar, like the one at 3D blue chip, they are looking for multiple player athletes, but no matter what I say you will say I am wrong and clueless, so keep having your boy train just for lax, I am sure you know more then everyone else, BTW google Fowler, great HS wrestler.
First of all, 3d also tells kids to repeat grades, so you might want to find a better reference than them. Second, I can name plenty of lax only guys who are also top players. I say the multi sport athletes are playing other sports because they want to, not because it makes them any better at lacrosse. If they like playing those other sports they should continue. To infer that those other sports will make them better at lacrosse is baseless. No study out there to back that notion up. It's nothing but a school of thought. How many inner city basketball D-1 recruits are playing other sports? Is coach Cal looking for multi-sport athletes? Doubtful. Those recruits are playing basketball all the time! How many top HS D1 recruits for Soccer, Swimming, Golf, Tennis and other sports are being recruited because they are multi-sport athletes? Not many I'm sure. But according to you, in order to play lacrosse you have to play football.
Here's something that will blow your mind. I know of two recruits, for top ACC schools. Both College coaches have told the recruits to STOP playing football. As in, DONT play anymore!!! So you keep pushing your kid out there in the fall, because YOU know better.
How many division one basketball players went on to play pro football in the nfl with great success ? Tony Gonzales , Antonio gates and jimmy graham to name a few.mhell Dave Winfield was drafted in three sports. It is not a baseless claim to make that playing more than one sport helps develop athletic skill. Who ever said lax only players weren't talented? I didn't read that anywhere. Playing other sports may not make them better lax players but it helps make them better athletes. You cannot compare inner city athletes to the suburban lacrosse player that is not a valid comparison because the opportunity is not there. College basketball is a completely different animal. It is the money maker for the NCAA where the tournament pays the entire NCAA budget for the year.
Wow my mind has been blown. A college coach advising a player to stop playing football where the risk of injury is high. I can't believe that even happens.
How many Turtles are committed D1 now? 2?
Our son went to a number of Ivy days and several of the Turtles kids are headed to Ivy schools and are not listed as commits. I hope your post does not imply the Turtles are less than best 2017 team because of a commits count. I think they are the best team and have seen them pick apart other 2017 teams with more commits. If # of commits was indicator of quality this board would be gushing over how great MadLax is.
How many peck are in a bushel?
To satisfy your curiosity; 3 former and 4 current and several unarmed ivy commits
I am not trying to be a wise guy, I'm just curious because of the Turtles success. But one post says 6 D1 commits now you are saying 4 current. I don't think it matters how many former there are. Whats the correct number now? Thanks in advance.
Their website lists 2?
A friend of a friend of a friend who's cousin is friends with the brother of one of the turtles said 4...2hop 1unc 1fairfield
http://www.insidelacrosse.com/artic...f-lacrosse-s-hotbeds-and-geography/28964Keeping in mind this is a current list of D1 players and not a percentage of kids currently in high school 2015 to 2017, look at the data. Baltimore and other Maryland declining. Right now, as many kids from California in D1 lacrosse as from Baltimore. Yes, I know California is a big place but now the data is already showing a shift that will never reverse. Non historical hotbeds have a share of the pie that is material and growing. I tip my cap to LI for having a high percentage that increased nominally in this snapshot, very impressive considering the growth of the game elsewhere.
Considering Maryland is repeat a grade territory more than anywhere else, maybe this data is also telling us that being a 16 year old freshman or 17 year old sophomore older and bigger than other 2017s is not the key to making D1 once it is all settled. Yes, I also know that kids repeat grades elsewhere like Philly but I cannot comprehend it being worse than here in Maryland. My son's 2017 team has only 4 legit aged freshman, my son included as one of them. It is repugnant, but the only thing that halts the crazy stuff is if the repeat kids wind up with same or worse results.
Just curious on hie Duke wins and how Coach Danowski recruits. I guess he doesn't read this website because 38 of his 44 players were multi sport athletes lettering throughout high school or prep school in sports like football, soccer, basketball, track and hockey. I guess there is no correlation between becoming a better athlete by playing multiple sports. Somebody needs to tell the Duke coaches they are doing it all wrong. What they should be looking at is lacrosse only athletes.
A friend of a friend of a friend who's cousin is friends with the brother of one of the turtles said 4...2hop 1unc 1fairfield [/quote]
Not one Turtle is an early commit to OCC or Nassau Community College? Losers.
Heard that team 91 is raiding the Terps Black. Large size of Terps Black team is what is causing the move.
Raiding? or are Black running?
Black are running. Plenty of options. Team 91 is pushing hard to convince the Express kids to join and the Parents are quite interested. This past year was not a healthy situation and it was entirely his doing
Please help me to understand this.
Terps roster is too big so some want to leave and go to 91?
How many will be on the 91 Roster if a bunch of Terps join the team?
We are to believe that the current 91 players and parents will be happy with a bunch of new players added to the team?
If the 91 parents think their kids are the best why would they welcome a bunch of players from Express?
Heard that team 91 is raiding the Terps Black. Large size of Terps Black team is what is causing the move.
Raiding? or are Black running?
Black are running. Plenty of options. Team 91 is pushing hard to convince the Express kids to join and the Parents are quite interested. This past year was not a healthy situation and it was entirely his doing
Please help me to understand this.
Terps roster is too big so some want to leave and go to 91?
How many will be on the 91 Roster if a bunch of Terps join the team?
We are to believe that the current 91 players and parents will be happy with a bunch of new players added to the team?
If the 91 parents think their kids are the best why would they welcome a bunch of players from Express?
Not sure about 91 taking Terps Black players, but i did hear a few of the Terps Black players are now with Turtles. Which makes sense, its all Express.
Congratulations to the two LI 2017 boys and the one Philly 2017 boy who made the UA Underclass teams. That is about the most impressive accomplishment a rising sophomore could point to this Summer. It is an inspiration to our 2017 who will suit up for the Wash DC tryouts Monday and Tuesday night. To see that it is possible is a motivator.
Congratulations to the two LI 2017 boys and the one Philly 2017 boy who made the UA Underclass teams. That is about the most impressive accomplishment a rising sophomore could point to this Summer. It is an inspiration to our 2017 who will suit up for the Wash DC tryouts Monday and Tuesday night. To see that it is possible is a motivator.
And both are age appropriate 2017 too!
Heard that team 91 is raiding the Terps Black. Large size of Terps Black team is what is causing the move.
Raiding? or are Black running?
Black are running. Plenty of options. Team 91 is pushing hard to convince the Express kids to join and the Parents are quite interested. This past year was not a healthy situation and it was entirely his doing
Please help me to understand this.
Terps roster is too big so some want to leave and go to 91?
How many will be on the 91 Roster if a bunch of Terps join the team?
We are to believe that the current 91 players and parents will be happy with a bunch of new players added to the team?
If the 91 parents think their kids are the best why would they welcome a bunch of players from Express?
Not sure about 91 taking Terps Black players, but i did hear a few of the Terps Black players are now with Turtles. Which makes sense, its all Express.
Precisely. But somehow there will be some sort of twist as there usually is. The fact is that express/turtles wanted to field an extremely competitive team and perhaps may have been down a few players. In any event with some orange (orange is the new black - couldn't resist) players it will continue to show dominance. It is my understanding that these borrowed players will also play with their orange team when there aren't any conflicts. Btw, orange remains a very strong team as well.
Heard that team 91 is raiding the Terps Black. Large size of Terps Black team is what is causing the move.
Raiding? or are Black running?
Black are running. Plenty of options. Team 91 is pushing hard to convince the Express kids to join and the Parents are quite interested. This past year was not a healthy situation and it was entirely his doing
Please help me to understand this.
Terps roster is too big so some want to leave and go to 91?
How many will be on the 91 Roster if a bunch of Terps join the team?
We are to believe that the current 91 players and parents will be happy with a bunch of new players added to the team?
If the 91 parents think their kids are the best why would they welcome a bunch of players from Express?
Not sure about 91 taking Terps Black players, but i did hear a few of the Terps Black players are now with Turtles. Which makes sense, its all Express.
Precisely. But somehow there will be some sort of twist as there usually is. The fact is that express/turtles wanted to field an extremely competitive team and perhaps may have been down a few players. In any event with some orange (orange is the new black - couldn't resist) players it will continue to show dominance. It is my understanding that these borrowed players will also play with their orange team when there aren't any conflicts. Btw, orange remains a very strong team as well.
Orange is the new Black line was funny! Good one, I get the feeling that a couple of the, as you called them "borrowed" players (I'm sure their moms & dads like you saying that) won't be at any of the Orange stuff anymore. MC is telling you people that "they will play for both teams", hmmmmm.
Congratulations to the two LI 2017 boys and the one Philly 2017 boy who made the UA Underclass teams. That is about the most impressive accomplishment a rising sophomore could point to this Summer. It is an inspiration to our 2017 who will suit up for the Wash DC tryouts Monday and Tuesday night. To see that it is possible is a motivator.
Went to UA site, I don't see any 2017 player on the underclass team, I don't even see a roster for underclass team! I see a 2017 non committed team.
Congratulations to the two LI 2017 boys and the one Philly 2017 boy who made the UA Underclass teams. That is about the most impressive accomplishment a rising sophomore could point to this Summer. It is an inspiration to our 2017 who will suit up for the Wash DC tryouts Monday and Tuesday night. To see that it is possible is a motivator.
Went to UA site, I don't see any 2017 player on the underclass team, I don't even see a roster for underclass team! I see a 2017 non committed team.
Look at the roster for the uncommitted team and you will see almost all of the MD kids are 1 or 2 years older than a normal 2017. Then they brag about being on varsity as freshman when they should be sophomores!
Ward Melville and Garden City defense are 2017
Congratulations to the two LI 2017 boys and the one Philly 2017 boy who made the UA Underclass teams. That is about the most impressive accomplishment a rising sophomore could point to this Summer. It is an inspiration to our 2017 who will suit up for the Wash DC tryouts Monday and Tuesday night. To see that it is possible is a motivator.
Went to UA site, I don't see any 2017 player on the underclass team, I don't even see a roster for underclass team! I see a 2017 non committed team.
Look at the roster for the uncommitted team and you will see almost all of the MD kids are 1 or 2 years older than a normal 2017. Then they brag about being on varsity as freshman when they should be sophomores!
A) who cares?
B) who made you the birthday police and have you nothing better to do other than cypher spying? (Unless you work for NSA and in that case you have way more problems other than kids birthdays)
C) have you not been reading how most great lax schools fill their classes with typically older kids?
correction WM and Mount Sinai
Look at the roster for the uncommitted team and you will see almost all of the MD kids are 1 or 2 years older than a normal 2017. Then they brag about being on varsity as freshman when they should be sophomores! [/quote]
No 2017 made the UA underclass team. I think what you mean is the 2016 & 2015 kids are 12-12 years old for their grade which is right.
Ward Melville and Garden City defense are 2017
I don't see GC. Only wm and mt Sinai. Both defenders
Look at the roster for the uncommitted team and you will see almost all of the MD kids are 1 or 2 years older than a normal 2017. Then they brag about being on varsity as freshman when they should be sophomores!
No 2017 made the UA underclass team. I think what you mean is the 2016 & 2015 kids are 12-12 years old for their grade which is right. [/quote]
Can't anyone read on this board??? Omg
As a former college coach , not lacrosse, I feel that both perspectives have validity. When we were recruiting watching games we needed to know how the athlete played within a system, what kind of team player he was and how that athlete could contribute to a team. We found that multi sport team athletes had a higher sports iq then single sport athletes. An athlete that can play within a system is usually coachable also. The skills portion of individual workouts were important but has a great flaw. Many many times we saw athletes look like absolute stars when working through skills and drills. These were talented can't miss star type players. However, these same players just had no team iq and shrunk in a game. It was more frequent a player was a little less talentd in drills but a better game performer. It was no easy process and all coaches make mistakes. The one thing that always stood out was speed you can't teach it in any sport.
I'll agree with the speed assessment, definitely true. You couldn't be any more wrong on your other points. Multi-sport athletes are just that, multi-sport athletes. Kids that have different interests, that's it. If two kids are of the same talent, multi-sport has nothing to do with anything. It does not make the kid any better. All you need to do is look at the Thompsons... I assure you, no amount of football or basketball gave those kids the stick skills or lacrosse IQ they have. They had talent, and it was honed for years with constant practice and a love of the game. Hence, they won lacrosse's high honor. This fact is the final nail in the coffin of this silly notion about multi-sport athletes somehow being superior lacrosse players. Once again, no amount of football will give you the skills that these Thompsons have, period, end of story.
To dispute this or say otherwise is pure ignorance.
Not sure where I said the multi sport kid was better or even made that inference. You pick a very interesting example are you sure the thompsons played no other sports? Or how about kavanaugh from notre dame? How about miles from duke? What I wrote was fact about recruiting and the way many college coaches assess talent and potential. There is also a burnout factor in players who only play one sport. I speak frequently to my friends still coaching college sports and they continue to support what i saying. You can sit and think what you want and pick examples of great college players but how many of them played multi sports that made them better. Look at some of the great high school Long Island players and you will see an assortment of multi sport stars with a high team sport iq. We have all seen that player who looks like a star in practice and drills but come game time disappears. Does your son play just one sport? It would be a shame because one sport is so limiting athletically. All these kids should at least be trying or have tried other sports.
Honestly, to think that playing multi sports doesn't help an athlete develop skills is ignorant. There are many aspects of football, basketball, hockey and soccer that can translate well into overall lacrosse ability. Specifically stick skills no but athletic ability to run, dodge, take a hit and know how to fit into a team while being coached by different coaches are also great skills. I don't think I said one negative thing maybe that's the problem.
The two sport athlete doesn't make a better lacrosse player it is clearly obvios with one of the Thompsons who played ice hockey for three years in high school and Kavanagh who played junior hockey in the EJHL. I guess a sport like hockey doesn't translate at all being you need to create time and space in a smaller space, the game is faster, they are tremendous physical athletes. lower body shooting techniques very similar , they need to play both ways learning body control yeah no relevant skills that would make a lacrosse player better. Then you have that kid from Duke Miles who was his high school Qb. Nothing gained there at all leadership, quick decisions, foot speed...... Yeah as I said clearly obvious a multi spot athlete can never really transfer any of those skills to lacrosse.
Li showcase team announced, some deserving, some head scratchers. Another flawed process, Suffolk will smoke that Nassau team. You may not even get the ball.
After all the debates and bashing of MD reclassified kids, LI tough guys, etc. I thought I would put the UA underclass teams that have been posted to a test. If you are going to reply to this post with something snarky, don't bother. I admit I am a loser for doing this, but would rather pass time and kill my curiousity in this horrible hotel room doing this than being in the bar with MD lacrosse parents.
Without further adieu:
** In the data some kids did not report their class year, birthdate or either, so the percentage of population is kids who did report both class and d.o.b. LI has 4 missings, MidWest has 3, Philly has 2, Upstate NY has 1, West has 3. Baltimore and South had zero missings.
** Not all the UA teams are roster posted yet, and some have not had tryouts yet. I will update this data later for all the regions as they come in.
** There are two double holdback kids on UA underclass teams thus far; one from Midwest and one from West.
** There are 3 2017s qualified. One in Philly and two in LI.
** Shout out to the two LI 2017s each of whom are in the calendar year 1999 birthdate.
** Shout out to Marshall McGlove, a Maryland class of 2015 public school kid who made the Baltimore UA team. Marshall is the only November or December birth month kid in the data so far who is not a holdback kid. Bravo.
** I have been reminded that in some states, like California, the d.o.b. cutoff for grades is Sept 30th, and therefore kids who are old by a calendar quarter to their calendar birth-year class are not repeat kids. Those are just states with different calendar cuts for entering a school grade. It is notable a lot of the California kids who list out as calendar year holdbacks are not school year holdbacks because they had Oct, Nov or Dec birth months.
Conclusions:
1. LI walks the walk. Only two kids who are out of calendar year, or 10% of reporting d.o.b. UA team members. And one kid deserves an asterisk...his birth date was 12/30. If we grace that kid out it is only one kid on the LI team with a year ahead d.o.b.
2. The generalization that MD kids are overwhelmingly holdbacks is false. Sort of. "Only" 12 kids, or 50% of the reporting d.o.b. UA team members are holdbacks. The generalization that MD kids are double holdbacks is false, at least in this data.
3. Upstate NY sort of walks the walk. They are second place after LI with "only" 9 holdbacks, or 39% of the reporting d.o.b. UA team members are holdbacks.
4. West region UA team has 13 holdbacks, representing 62% of the reporting d.o.b. kids on roster. Again, the California school year dates asterisk above deserves some note.
5. Philly checks in with an abysmal 68% of UA underclass rostered kids who are holdbacks. 15 of the d.o.b reporting kids are holdbacks.
And, the "we really loved 8th grade...twice" award goes to....
6. It's a tie. Midwest and South regions statistically tie at a whopping 71% of the d.o.b reporting kids on the US underclass rosters who are holdbacks. 15 kids in the Midwest and a whopping 17 in the South.
We do have a few more contenders for the title...Jersey tryouts were yesterday and DC ones next week. DC might be a doozy boys. Some IAC schools won't admit 9th graders unless they have a drivers license picture ID.
Curious, what date did you use to establish a holdback? VA school year cut off is Sept 30th.
Curious, what date did you use to establish a holdback? VA school year cut off is Sept 30th.
Calendar year
As a former college coach , not lacrosse, I feel that both perspectives have validity. When we were recruiting watching games we needed to know how the athlete played within a system, what kind of team player he was and how that athlete could contribute to a team. We found that multi sport team athletes had a higher sports iq then single sport athletes. An athlete that can play within a system is usually coachable also. The skills portion of individual workouts were important but has a great flaw. Many many times we saw athletes look like absolute stars when working through skills and drills. These were talented can't miss star type players. However, these same players just had no team iq and shrunk in a game. It was more frequent a player was a little less talentd in drills but a better game performer. It was no easy process and all coaches make mistakes. The one thing that always stood out was speed you can't teach it in any sport.
I'll agree with the speed assessment, definitely true. You couldn't be any more wrong on your other points. Multi-sport athletes are just that, multi-sport athletes. Kids that have different interests, that's it. If two kids are of the same talent, multi-sport has nothing to do with anything. It does not make the kid any better. All you need to do is look at the Thompsons... I assure you, no amount of football or basketball gave those kids the stick skills or lacrosse IQ they have. They had talent, and it was honed for years with constant practice and a love of the game. Hence, they won lacrosse's high honor. This fact is the final nail in the coffin of this silly notion about multi-sport athletes somehow being superior lacrosse players. Once again, no amount of football will give you the skills that these Thompsons have, period, end of story.
To dispute this or say otherwise is pure ignorance.
Not sure where I said the multi sport kid was better or even made that inference. You pick a very interesting example are you sure the thompsons played no other sports? Or how about kavanaugh from notre dame? How about miles from duke? What I wrote was fact about recruiting and the way many college coaches assess talent and potential. There is also a burnout factor in players who only play one sport. I speak frequently to my friends still coaching college sports and they continue to support what i saying. You can sit and think what you want and pick examples of great college players but how many of them played multi sports that made them better. Look at some of the great high school Long Island players and you will see an assortment of multi sport stars with a high team sport iq. We have all seen that player who looks like a star in practice and drills but come game time disappears. Does your son play just one sport? It would be a shame because one sport is so limiting athletically. All these kids should at least be trying or have tried other sports.
Honestly, to think that playing multi sports doesn't help an athlete develop skills is ignorant. There are many aspects of football, basketball, hockey and soccer that can translate well into overall lacrosse ability. Specifically stick skills no but athletic ability to run, dodge, take a hit and know how to fit into a team while being coached by different coaches are also great skills. I don't think I said one negative thing maybe that's the problem.
The two sport athlete doesn't make a better lacrosse player it is clearly obvios with one of the Thompsons who played ice hockey for three years in high school and Kavanagh who played junior hockey in the EJHL. I guess a sport like hockey doesn't translate at all being you need to create time and space in a smaller space, the game is faster, they are tremendous physical athletes. lower body shooting techniques very similar , they need to play both ways learning body control yeah no relevant skills that would make a lacrosse player better. Then you have that kid from Duke Miles who was his high school Qb. Nothing gained there at all leadership, quick decisions, foot speed...... Yeah as I said clearly obvious a multi spot athlete can never really transfer any of those skills to lacrosse.
Back to the inner city Basketball player, plays BBall 24/7 all year round. Many do 1 or 2 years in college and straight to the NBA. By your assertion, the mult-sport athlete is the better athlete. If this is the case, why aren't the multi-sport athletes from the suburbs destroying it in the NBA? Why, because it has nothing to do with playing multiple sports, it has everything to do with innate athletic ability. All the baseball and football you can play will never allow your kid to do what Lebron does. Just like no amount of football will ever give you better stick skills... Sorry. You just can't accept it. Look, you have your kid play football in the fall, mine will be in the gym. Try to comprehend this, if your son is a star running back, it's about athletic ability not because he plays lax in the spring. He'll be good at lax in the spring, because of that athletic ability and only because of that.
You think Michael Phelps became the greatest swimmer of all time because he played a year of HS golf? I'm sure you do. BTW what was the sport the Williams sisters played to get better at Tennis?
Hold on, I have to go play two hours of basketball to better my golf game. So silly.
Back to the inner city Basketball player, plays BBall 24/7 all year round. Many do 1 or 2 years in college and straight to the NBA. By your assertion, the mult-sport athlete is the better athlete. If this is the case, why aren't the multi-sport athletes from the suburbs destroying it in the NBA? Why, because it has nothing to do with playing multiple sports, it has everything to do with innate athletic ability. All the baseball and football you can play will never allow your kid to do what Lebron does. Just like no amount of football will ever give you better stick skills... Sorry. You just can't accept it. Look, you have your kid play football in the fall, mine will be in the gym. Try to comprehend this, if your son is a star running back, it's about athletic ability not because he plays lax in the spring. He'll be good at lax in the spring, because of that athletic ability and only because of that.
You think Michael Phelps became the greatest swimmer of all time because he played a year of HS golf? I'm sure you do. BTW what was the sport the Williams sisters played to get better at Tennis?
Hold on, I have to go play two hours of basketball to better my golf game. So silly.
You are truly ignorant. Go look at the Duke roster 38 of 44 multi sport stars. You point out one population, inner city basketball players, who have very little opportunity to play anything else. These inner city athletes are all looking to go pro and spend only as you say one or two years in college then move on often NOT graduating. There only way out more often than not is basketball so that's what they do. The chance to make millions is there in hoops not in lacrosse at that level. To compare an inner city athlete to an athlete in the suburbs is ignorant in itself. If your kid is like one of the 6 kids on Duke that didn't list a second sport in their bio so be it. DO I think that a player like Kavanaugh who played junior hockey , Thompson who played hockey, Fowler a better FOGO because of wrestling and Miles who was the HS qb are better athletes because they play two sports absolutely. Better yet read last months Lacrosse USa magazine for the article where the D1 coaches talk about the plus of being a 2 sport athlete vs a lax only player. If you cant see the value of playing multi sports you are contradicting what coaches are saying in baseball, hockey, lacrosse, football........ I am sure you know better. Once again the guys from Duke and ND must all be very lucky because close to 90% of their two teams were star multi sport athletes but I guess they are wrong also.
The biggest flaw of the entire UA selection wrt 2017's is that as far we know; there weren't any committed 2017's at these tryouts.
Thus, the selections would then be deemed the "best of the rest".
After all the debates and bashing of MD reclassified kids, LI tough guys, etc. I thought I would put the UA underclass teams that have been posted to a test. If you are going to reply to this post with something snarky, don't bother. I admit I am a loser for doing this, but would rather pass time and kill my curiousity in this horrible hotel room doing this than being in the bar with MD lacrosse parents.
Without further adieu:
** In the data some kids did not report their class year, birthdate or either, so the percentage of population is kids who did report both class and d.o.b. LI has 4 missings, MidWest has 3, Philly has 2, Upstate NY has 1, West has 3. Baltimore and South had zero missings.
** Not all the UA teams are roster posted yet, and some have not had tryouts yet. I will update this data later for all the regions as they come in.
** There are two double holdback kids on UA underclass teams thus far; one from Midwest and one from West.
** There are 3 2017s qualified. One in Philly and two in LI.
** Shout out to the two LI 2017s each of whom are in the calendar year 1999 birthdate.
** Shout out to Marshall McGlove, a Maryland class of 2015 public school kid who made the Baltimore UA team. Marshall is the only November or December birth month kid in the data so far who is not a holdback kid. Bravo.
** I have been reminded that in some states, like California, the d.o.b. cutoff for grades is Sept 30th, and therefore kids who are old by a calendar quarter to their calendar birth-year class are not repeat kids. Those are just states with different calendar cuts for entering a school grade. It is notable a lot of the California kids who list out as calendar year holdbacks are not school year holdbacks because they had Oct, Nov or Dec birth months.
Conclusions:
1. LI walks the walk. Only two kids who are out of calendar year, or 10% of reporting d.o.b. UA team members. And one kid deserves an asterisk...his birth date was 12/30. If we grace that kid out it is only one kid on the LI team with a year ahead d.o.b.
2. The generalization that MD kids are overwhelmingly holdbacks is false. Sort of. "Only" 12 kids, or 50% of the reporting d.o.b. UA team members are holdbacks. The generalization that MD kids are double holdbacks is false, at least in this data.
3. Upstate NY sort of walks the walk. They are second place after LI with "only" 9 holdbacks, or 39% of the reporting d.o.b. UA team members are holdbacks.
4. West region UA team has 13 holdbacks, representing 62% of the reporting d.o.b. kids on roster. Again, the California school year dates asterisk above deserves some note.
5. Philly checks in with an abysmal 68% of UA underclass rostered kids who are holdbacks. 15 of the d.o.b reporting kids are holdbacks.
And, the "we really loved 8th grade...twice" award goes to....
6. It's a tie. Midwest and South regions statistically tie at a whopping 71% of the d.o.b reporting kids on the US underclass rosters who are holdbacks. 15 kids in the Midwest and a whopping 17 in the South.
We do have a few more contenders for the title...Jersey tryouts were yesterday and DC ones next week. DC might be a doozy boys. Some IAC schools won't admit 9th graders unless they have a drivers license picture ID.
As a former college coach , not lacrosse, I feel that both perspectives have validity. When we were recruiting watching games we needed to know how the athlete played within a system, what kind of team player he was and how that athlete could contribute to a team. We found that multi sport team athletes had a higher sports iq then single sport athletes. An athlete that can play within a system is usually coachable also. The skills portion of individual workouts were important but has a great flaw. Many many times we saw athletes look like absolute stars when working through skills and drills. These were talented can't miss star type players. However, these same players just had no team iq and shrunk in a game. It was more frequent a player was a little less talentd in drills but a better game performer. It was no easy process and all coaches make mistakes. The one thing that always stood out was speed you can't teach it in any sport.
I'll agree with the speed assessment, definitely true. You couldn't be any more wrong on your other points. Multi-sport athletes are just that, multi-sport athletes. Kids that have different interests, that's it. If two kids are of the same talent, multi-sport has nothing to do with anything. It does not make the kid any better. All you need to do is look at the Thompsons... I assure you, no amount of football or basketball gave those kids the stick skills or lacrosse IQ they have. They had talent, and it was honed for years with constant practice and a love of the game. Hence, they won lacrosse's high honor. This fact is the final nail in the coffin of this silly notion about multi-sport athletes somehow being superior lacrosse players. Once again, no amount of football will give you the skills that these Thompsons have, period, end of story.
To dispute this or say otherwise is pure ignorance.
Not sure where I said the multi sport kid was better or even made that inference. You pick a very interesting example are you sure the thompsons played no other sports? Or how about kavanaugh from notre dame? How about miles from duke? What I wrote was fact about recruiting and the way many college coaches assess talent and potential. There is also a burnout factor in players who only play one sport. I speak frequently to my friends still coaching college sports and they continue to support what i saying. You can sit and think what you want and pick examples of great college players but how many of them played multi sports that made them better. Look at some of the great high school Long Island players and you will see an assortment of multi sport stars with a high team sport iq. We have all seen that player who looks like a star in practice and drills but come game time disappears. Does your son play just one sport? It would be a shame because one sport is so limiting athletically. All these kids should at least be trying or have tried other sports.
Honestly, to think that playing multi sports doesn't help an athlete develop skills is ignorant. There are many aspects of football, basketball, hockey and soccer that can translate well into overall lacrosse ability. Specifically stick skills no but athletic ability to run, dodge, take a hit and know how to fit into a team while being coached by different coaches are also great skills. I don't think I said one negative thing maybe that's the problem.
The two sport athlete doesn't make a better lacrosse player it is clearly obvios with one of the Thompsons who played ice hockey for three years in high school and Kavanagh who played junior hockey in the EJHL. I guess a sport like hockey doesn't translate at all being you need to create time and space in a smaller space, the game is faster, they are tremendous physical athletes. lower body shooting techniques very similar , they need to play both ways learning body control yeah no relevant skills that would make a lacrosse player better. Then you have that kid from Duke Miles who was his high school Qb. Nothing gained there at all leadership, quick decisions, foot speed...... Yeah as I said clearly obvious a multi spot athlete can never really transfer any of those skills to lacrosse.
Back to the inner city Basketball player, plays BBall 24/7 all year round. Many do 1 or 2 years in college and straight to the NBA. By your assertion, the mult-sport athlete is the better athlete. If this is the case, why aren't the multi-sport athletes from the suburbs destroying it in the NBA? Why, because it has nothing to do with playing multiple sports, it has everything to do with innate athletic ability. All the baseball and football you can play will never allow your kid to do what Lebron does. Just like no amount of football will ever give you better stick skills... Sorry. You just can't accept it. Look, you have your kid play football in the fall, mine will be in the gym. Try to comprehend this, if your son is a star running back, it's about athletic ability not because he plays lax in the spring. He'll be good at lax in the spring, because of that athletic ability and only because of that.
You think Michael Phelps became the greatest swimmer of all time because he played a year of HS golf? I'm sure you do. BTW what was the sport the Williams sisters played to get better at Tennis?
Hold on, I have to go play two hours of basketball to better my golf game. So silly.
Been watching the world cup? I wonder what other sports the kids in Brazil play to become such amazing soccer stars??? Oh I know, probably American football or Baseball. It couldn't be that they play soccer all the time, right? I'm sure all the other South and Central American countries also produce all their soccer stars by having them play something other than soccer as well.
If you are a committed kid and are ducking outb of competing at UA tryouts, I'd call that a character flaw and a huge red flag to the coaches who recruited the kid. At the Baltimore tryouts were a lot of committed 2017 kids. None made it, but respect to them for competing.
If you are a committed kid and are ducking outb of competing at UA tryouts, I'd call that a character flaw and a huge red flag to the coaches who recruited the kid. At the Baltimore tryouts were a lot of committed 2017 kids. None made it, but respect to them for competing.
Yes...what 17 year old freshman from MD could hope to compete with the 20 year old seniors?
The debate of multi sport athletes is ridiculous. I was just making it clear what the coaches in college are looking at. It isn't solely about skills or individual sports. Quite simply when I had a choice between two equally talented players, one who was a two sport athlete and one a singleton athlete , I choose the two,sport athlete IF it was a sport I felt contributed to athleticism. The concept being that the two sport athlete is usually better ll around athlete developing muscle and muscle memory in greater depth then a single sport athlete. This is not hard to believe or comprehend. That is not to say that an athlete that played the single prt wasn't better than the multi sport but as a college coach you also need to project futures because your scholarship space is limited. It isn't an easy job but ask the d1 coaches what their feeling on it and the majority will encourage the multi sport athlete. I never recruited inner city basketball players becaus they didn't have the skill set I needed for the sport I coached nor did I go to Brazil to get soccer players. Even more insight is that the two sports must be related in some way developing certain skills. Individual sports like bowling or golf didn't translate but wrestling did it really isn't an exact science but a valid way to project athletes. To say a multi sport athlete isn't an advantage is contradicted be the rosters and bios of many many athletes in d1 programs in all sports.
Back to the inner city Basketball player, plays BBall 24/7 all year round. Many do 1 or 2 years in college and straight to the NBA. By your assertion, the mult-sport athlete is the better athlete. If this is the case, why aren't the multi-sport athletes from the suburbs destroying it in the NBA? Why, because it has nothing to do with playing multiple sports, it has everything to do with innate athletic ability. All the baseball and football you can play will never allow your kid to do what Lebron does. Just like no amount of football will ever give you better stick skills... Sorry. You just can't accept it. Look, you have your kid play football in the fall, mine will be in the gym. Try to comprehend this, if your son is a star running back, it's about athletic ability not because he plays lax in the spring. He'll be good at lax in the spring, because of that athletic ability and only because of that.
You think Michael Phelps became the greatest swimmer of all time because he played a year of HS golf? I'm sure you do. BTW what was the sport the Williams sisters played to get better at Tennis?
Hold on, I have to go play two hours of basketball to better my golf game. So silly.
You are truly ignorant. Go look at the Duke roster 38 of 44 multi sport stars. You point out one population, inner city basketball players, who have very little opportunity to play anything else. These inner city athletes are all looking to go pro and spend only as you say one or two years in college then move on often NOT graduating. There only way out more often than not is basketball so that's what they do. The chance to make millions is there in hoops not in lacrosse at that level. To compare an inner city athlete to an athlete in the suburbs is ignorant in itself. If your kid is like one of the 6 kids on Duke that didn't list a second sport in their bio so be it. DO I think that a player like Kavanaugh who played junior hockey , Thompson who played hockey, Fowler a better FOGO because of wrestling and Miles who was the HS qb are better athletes because they play two sports absolutely. Better yet read last months Lacrosse USa magazine for the article where the D1 coaches talk about the plus of being a 2 sport athlete vs a lax only player. If you cant see the value of playing multi sports you are contradicting what coaches are saying in baseball, hockey, lacrosse, football........ I am sure you know better. Once again the guys from Duke and ND must all be very lucky because close to 90% of their two teams were star multi sport athletes but I guess they are wrong also.
Has nothing to do with playing two sports, all about god given athletic ability. Being a star in two sports is nothing more than evidence of that athletic ability. Like I said, your kid or mine could play 14 other sports, they'll never be able to do what Lebron does. They don't have that level of athletic ability, get it? Probably not. I give you example after example where it proves that people are at the top of their sports all over the world by playing one sport, but a few college coaches say differently and so its law to you, go figure. BTW why are you trolling through every bio of every player on Duke and ND just to try and prove me wrong with more anecdotal information?
Here's another one for you, David Beckham never played anything but soccer. In fact, he dropped out of school as a teenager and went pro at 18. Oddly, he became one the best players in the world. Imagine if he just would have played American football... Wait, a few Old School lax coaches said something so it must be true. Then they go and recruit lax only kids. I've heard the Duke coach say they've never recruited a non multi-sport athlete. Yet he has 6 lax only kids? Kind of like the UVA coach saying early recruiting has got to stop and yet they are recruiting 9th graders left and right. One more for you, UMD's graduating senior middie, Tawarrton finalist and former Ivy rookie of the year was lax only in HS. Here's something else for you to chew on, these coaches will recruit the best available player. One sport, multi-sport, 8th grade, they don't care.
Now go pay attention to the Rangers, I'm sure all those Eastern European players got to the NHL because they were playing Baseball growing up, you know to get better at hockey.
The debate of multi sport athletes is ridiculous. I was just making it clear what the coaches in college are looking at. It isn't solely about skills or individual sports. Quite simply when I had a choice between two equally talented players, one who was a two sport athlete and one a singleton athlete , I choose the two,sport athlete IF it was a sport I felt contributed to athleticism. The concept being that the two sport athlete is usually better ll around athlete developing muscle and muscle memory in greater depth then a single sport athlete. This is not hard to believe or comprehend. That is not to say that an athlete that played the single prt wasn't better than the multi sport but as a college coach you also need to project futures because your scholarship space is limited. It isn't an easy job but ask the d1 coaches what their feeling on it and the majority will encourage the multi sport athlete. I never recruited inner city basketball players becaus they didn't have the skill set I needed for the sport I coached nor did I go to Brazil to get soccer players. Even more insight is that the two sports must be related in some way developing certain skills. Individual sports like bowling or golf didn't translate but wrestling did it really isn't an exact science but a valid way to project athletes. To say a multi sport athlete isn't an advantage is contradicted be the rosters and bios of many many athletes in d1 programs in all sports.
Nobody cares that you were a volunteer assistant coach 20 years ago. You're just another lunatic on this board.
So just to be clear because I am not sure I understand what I am reading on this site. Parents of athlets that play one sport feel that is the best way to get better but the actual coaches of successful division one programs like duke and notre dame that look for two sport athletes are wrong? This forum continue to prove that lacrosse parents are insane and perhaps the most delusional parents of all the sports in our area.
Any one sport focused athlete is not just training in their sport- their workouts include cross training- so while they may not be actually on another field or rink playing a game- they are in fact cross training and using muscles in different ways. My sons hockey team does three on land practices a week. Sometimes it includes a a ball, and sometimes track and field activities. Ballet, yoga and pilates is also beneficial to the athlete and strengthens, lengthens and stretches the muscles in another way. While it is fun for a kid to play with friends in multiple sports, not everyone needs to play 3-4 sports. Some kids enjoy just two and some just one. As long as they are getting trained in a variety of ways, the body will respond and so will the brain.
So just to be clear because I am not sure I understand what I am reading on this site. Parents of athlets that play one sport feel that is the best way to get better but the actual coaches of successful division one programs like duke and notre dame that look for two sport athletes are wrong? This forum continue to prove that lacrosse parents are insane and perhaps the most delusional parents of all the sports in our area.
My final post on this, because if someone has a differing opinion based in evidence and fact they have to be a nut.
We're saying the same thing. We're both saying that an athlete that can be a star in two sports is clear evidence of athletic greatness. Here's the difference. You say one sport makes you better at the other. I say its innate god given athletic ability that makes you the athlete you are. To be able to play D1 lacrosse you have to be a great athlete, hence many of these kids would find it EASY to be a star in two sports, BECAUSE OF ATHLETIC ABILITY. The only lunacy here is the thinking that playing six football games at tight end in the fall is going to somehow give you the ability to do what the Thompsons are able to do in the spring. That's NEVER EVER going to happen. BTW two kids in my town on the very young age of the recruiting spectrum both play lax, both great players, one plays two other sports the other just lax. Guess which one is being recruited by a top 3 ACC school? Not the one your theory would suggest. Sorry.
Also, as stated above, why are these same ACC coaches telling their recruits to stop playing football?
Last question: If playing another sport does make you better at lacrosse? Why then wouldn't every D1 lax coach in the country demand that you continue to play that sport in college. Think of how much better all these players would be if they played football or soccer in the fall instead of fall ball? Oh I know, you stop getting better in college. A magic switch goes off. Your theory just stops working. But in the two years before college that other sport is making you so much better, I got it now.
The debate of multi sport athletes is ridiculous. I was just making it clear what the coaches in college are looking at. It isn't solely about skills or individual sports. Quite simply when I had a choice between two equally talented players, one who was a two sport athlete and one a singleton athlete , I choose the two,sport athlete IF it was a sport I felt contributed to athleticism. The concept being that the two sport athlete is usually better ll around athlete developing muscle and muscle memory in greater depth then a single sport athlete. This is not hard to believe or comprehend. That is not to say that an athlete that played the single prt wasn't better than the multi sport but as a college coach you also need to project futures because your scholarship space is limited. It isn't an easy job but ask the d1 coaches what their feeling on it and the majority will encourage the multi sport athlete. I never recruited inner city basketball players becaus they didn't have the skill set I needed for the sport I coached nor did I go to Brazil to get soccer players. Even more insight is that the two sports must be related in some way developing certain skills. Individual sports like bowling or golf didn't translate but wrestling did it really isn't an exact science but a valid way to project athletes. To say a multi sport athlete isn't an advantage is contradicted be the rosters and bios of many many athletes in d1 programs in all sports.
Nobody cares that you were a volunteer assistant coach 20 years ago. You're just another lunatic on this board.
My favorite response by far
. It wasn't volunteer and it wasn't twenty years ago but as I have read so many times on this board if you don't agree with someone insult them. Funny, is I never claimed to be right, never insulted anyone , never said anything negative but was consistently told how I am wrong. Never actually claimed to be right. Made some simple factual statements on how the recruiting process went and what the staff I was part of were looking at. You can agree or disagree but open your eyes and try to look at both sides. There is always the exception to every rule and single sport athletes can be great dominant athletes in their sport no doubt. But there is validity in the two sport athlete. Anyone who doesn't think a superior athlete like Lebron wouldn't pick up a lacrosse stick and be a competitor immediately is crazy. The stick skills would be lacking because that is sport specific but once he became competent his previous learned basketball training, vision, muscle memory and team sport iq would make him a great player. If I had a chance to get a Lebron James type over an equally talented lacrosse only player being they both played lax I would pick Lebron. Good luck to you all and may all your children be given the opportunity to play some college sport whatever it is. I am going to enjoy my day watching some lacrosse after I drink my morning coffee and head to the fields.
The debate of multi sport athletes is ridiculous. I was just making it clear what the coaches in college are looking at. It isn't solely about skills or individual sports. Quite simply when I had a choice between two equally talented players, one who was a two sport athlete and one a singleton athlete , I choose the two,sport athlete IF it was a sport I felt contributed to athleticism. The concept being that the two sport athlete is usually better ll around athlete developing muscle and muscle memory in greater depth then a single sport athlete. This is not hard to believe or comprehend. That is not to say that an athlete that played the single prt wasn't better than the multi sport but as a college coach you also need to project futures because your scholarship space is limited. It isn't an easy job but ask the d1 coaches what their feeling on it and the majority will encourage the multi sport athlete. I never recruited inner city basketball players becaus they didn't have the skill set I needed for the sport I coached nor did I go to Brazil to get soccer players. Even more insight is that the two sports must be related in some way developing certain skills. Individual sports like bowling or golf didn't translate but wrestling did it really isn't an exact science but a valid way to project athletes. To say a multi sport athlete isn't an advantage is contradicted be the rosters and bios of many many athletes in d1 programs in all sports.
Nobody cares that you were a volunteer assistant coach 20 years ago. You're just another lunatic on this board.
My favorite response by far
. It wasn't volunteer and it wasn't twenty years ago but as I have read so many times on this board if you don't agree with someone insult them. Funny, is I never claimed to be right, never insulted anyone , never said anything negative but was consistently told how I am wrong. Never actually claimed to be right. Made some simple factual statements on how the recruiting process went and what the staff I was part of were looking at. You can agree or disagree but open your eyes and try to look at both sides. There is always the exception to every rule and single sport athletes can be great dominant athletes in their sport no doubt. But there is validity in the two sport athlete. Anyone who doesn't think a superior athlete like Lebron wouldn't pick up a lacrosse stick and be a competitor immediately is crazy. The stick skills would be lacking because that is sport specific but once he became competent his previous learned basketball training, vision, muscle memory and team sport iq would make him a great player. If I had a chance to get a Lebron James type over an equally talented lacrosse only player being they both played lax I would pick Lebron. Good luck to you all and may all your children be given the opportunity to play some college sport whatever it is. I am going to enjoy my day watching some lacrosse after I drink my morning coffee and head to the fields.
And just think how much better Lebron would be at hoops if we was spending time playing lacrosse. Maybe they could have gotten by the spurs.
Keep the insults and sarcasm coming because as parents we know better than anyone in the field.
http://www.uslacrosse.org/multimedi...nd-off-on-multi-sport-participation.aspxMakes for a great read but all these colleges coaches now nothing anyway.
Two other concerns to consider. One is turning the kid off to the sport. It is one thing if the particular kid just wants to play that one sport and no other. But for those parents that insist their kids concentrate on lax year round, a relatively recent phenomenon, it will be interesting to see if those kids stick with it thru college (or high school even). Be careful not to make it into a job for that kid.
The other concern is a medical one. More and more doctors are becoming concerned about repetitive nature injuries arising out of year-round one sport athletes. Don't take my word for it - just do some research and you will find articles like this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/opinion/sports-should-be-childs-play.html?_r=0. Just something to think about.
Was that a new team who played Nyla as the 2017 terps? Didn't look like terps from last year. Had a bunch of st Anthony's and chaminade kids, but not the same group fromast year.
Nice day from the Outlaws 2017 who were missing 7-8 of there top end players. Beat up on Jesters and 91 white. Then beat fl$ in convincing fashion. 6-4 and wasn't that close..
Nice day from the Outlaws 2017 who were missing 7-8 of there top end players. Beat up on Jesters and 91 white. Then beat fl$ in convincing fashion. 6-4 and wasn't that close..
If 2 and 3 goal victories in a Collage Showcase is reason for you to Brag I have some beutiful beachfront property for sale in Arizona
Nice day from the Outlaws 2017 who were missing 7-8 of there top end players. Beat up on Jesters and 91 white. Then beat fl$ in convincing fashion. 6-4 and wasn't that close..
Anyone can beat fl$. They r the size of 2nd graders
The outlaws kids are how old?
The outlaws kids are how old?
Pretty sure they are 16/17
Wow
How are things going at Adrenaline?
How are things going at Adrenaline?
You can check the site:
http://www.adrln.com/events/2014-platinum-cup/scoring/
how about that nassau showcase roster?? what were they thinking? bunch of really good varsity players kicked to the curb.
The outlaws kids are how old?
Pretty sure they are 16/17
Wow
The outlaws kids are how old?
Pretty sure they are 16/17
Wow
The outlaws kids are how old?
Pretty sure they are 16/17
Wow
The outlaws kids are how old?
Pretty sure they are 16/17
Wow
All 2017s and missing some of the top kids.
Stop. Talking out of your arse
91 and done. 2017 is going to change color designation from orange to pink.
Which tournaments this past weekend had the best turnout for coaches? The NSCLA or the Adrenaline? There were other tournaments as well advertising large #s of coaches at Delaware and the Baltimore Kickoff. Since it is quality as well as quantity, where did the head coaches of the big programs go?
Which tournaments this past weekend had the best turnout for coaches? The NSCLA or the Adrenaline? There were other tournaments as well advertising large #s of coaches at Delaware and the Baltimore Kickoff. Since it is quality as well as quantity, where did the head coaches of the big programs go?
Danowski was at NYLA.
How did the Turtles, 91 do?
Nice day from the Outlaws 2017 who were missing 7-8 of there top end players. Beat up on Jesters and 91 white. Then beat fl$ in convincing fashion. 6-4 and wasn't that close..
It is about being seen by coaches at this age, not bragging rights of who won. At one game, a parent asked the score and the ref said "we're not keeping score". In the fl$ game, the Outlaws goalie was simply amazing so to say it wasn't that close is inaccurate. That game had a ton of coaches on the sideline, including Danowski. Too bad for the other Outlaws goalie who didn't see one second on the field.
"Then beat fl$ in convincing fashion. 6-4 and wasn't that close"
Ladies and gentlemen, I think we have found the Yogi Berra of Lacrosse quotes. Better hope your kid has your wife's brains.
Nice day from the Outlaws 2017 who were missing 7-8 of there top end players. Beat up on Jesters and 91 white. Then beat fl$ in convincing fashion. 6-4 and wasn't that close..
It is about being seen by coaches at this age, not bragging rights of who won. At one game, a parent asked the score and the ref said "we're not keeping score". In the fl$ game, the Outlaws goalie was simply amazing so to say it wasn't that close is inaccurate. That game had a ton of coaches on the sideline, including Danowski. Too bad for the other Outlaws goalie who didn't see one second on the field.
Which tournaments this past weekend had the best turnout for coaches? The NSCLA or the Adrenaline? There were other tournaments as well advertising large #s of coaches at Delaware and the Baltimore Kickoff. Since it is quality as well as quantity, where did the head coaches of the big programs go?
Adrenaline was great.
Coaches that I noticed were North Carolina, Duke, Maryland, Penn State, Rutgers, Navy, Villanova. I'm sure there were many others but those are the schools that were close to where I was sitting at a few of the games.
There were a lot of very good lacrosse players for the coaches to look at. I have to say that if your town coaches (2018, 2017, 2016, 2015) are telling you not to play for a team that goes to this type of tournament you have to question their thought process.
Great event.
Yea heard he was there to look at a few kids from other teams.
But the attack from fl$- Manhasset is his target.
Which tournaments this past weekend had the best turnout for coaches? The NSCLA or the Adrenaline? There were other tournaments as well advertising large #s of coaches at Delaware and the Baltimore Kickoff. Since it is quality as well as quantity, where did the head coaches of the big programs go?
Danowski was at NYLA.
Other than Danowski, what other colleges had coaches at NYLA?
Yea heard he was there to look at a few kids from other teams.
But the attack from fl$- Manhasset is his target.
Whatever you say Daddy of an fl$ attack position player. Lot's of great players and tournaments. Absolutely foolish to think a coach allocates his weekend to look at one kid.
Adrenaline was great.
Coaches that I noticed were North Carolina, Duke, Maryland, Penn State, Rutgers, Navy, Villanova. I'm sure there were many others but those are the schools that were close to where I was sitting at a few of the games.
There were a lot of very good lacrosse players for the coaches to look at. I have to say that if your town coaches (2018, 2017, 2016, 2015) are telling you not to play for a team that goes to this type of tournament you have to question their thought process.
Great event. [/quote]
Our son went to the Blackcard only, but I came away thinking Adrenaline does everything first class and 1000% better than other groups do. My son's team was not at the Platinum Cup, but I wish so. After this Adrenaline throw down I would not be surprised to see this organization run away with it. They do things better.
Saw Stony Brook and Mount St. Marys at NYLA.
Turtles won the tournament and went undefeated. Scored 76 goals and let up 19 in six games.
91 went 0-3-2 in five games.
Adrenaline was great.
Coaches that I noticed were North Carolina, Duke, Maryland, Penn State, Rutgers, Navy, Villanova. I'm sure there were many others but those are the schools that were close to where I was sitting at a few of the games.
There were a lot of very good lacrosse players for the coaches to look at. I have to say that if your town coaches (2018, 2017, 2016, 2015) are telling you not to play for a team that goes to this type of tournament you have to question their thought process.
Great event.
Our son went to the Blackcard only, but I came away thinking Adrenaline does everything first class and 1000% better than other groups do. My son's team was not at the Platinum Cup, but I wish so. After this Adrenaline throw down I would not be surprised to see this organization run away with it. They do things better. [/quote]
Blackcard was the individual showcase day put on by Adrenaline? When did you (or your son's coach) first submit an application?
Blackcard was the individual showcase day put on by Adrenaline? When did you (or your son's coach) first submit an application? [/quote]
Interesting you should ask. Our son heard from an older friend who went last year it was a blast and great event. We asked his club coach to recommend him in the Fall. His club coach did it but also told us with emphasis this was a waste of time and money. A waste of a day and $100 ?!? Blah blah Jake Reed, blah blah Top 205, etc. Like basically everything else his club coach was wrong and just referring us to the other expensive crap where our club had a relationship. This was a fabulous first class event. Adrenaline I walked away from believing runs the best events...again, our team didn't go to Platinum Cup and I would not be shocked to understand later that the Platinum Cup was also awesome, competitive and run first class.
Nice day from the Outlaws 2017 who were missing 7-8 of there top end players. Beat up on Jesters and 91 white. Then beat fl$ in convincing fashion. 6-4 and wasn't that close..
It is about being seen by coaches at this age, not bragging rights of who won. At one game, a parent asked the score and the ref said "we're not keeping score". In the fl$ game, the Outlaws goalie was simply amazing so to say it wasn't that close is inaccurate. That game had a ton of coaches on the sideline, including Danowski. Too bad for the other Outlaws goalie who didn't see one second on the field.
Maybe there were coaches there to see the Goalie that played the entire game. It is a recruiting event.
I saw the Outlaws/fl$ game and was impressed with the level of play. Lots of coaches on the sidelines.
Good play on both side and yes, it's about recruiting. Folks, we are past the chest thumping "my team is better than your team" age. Leave that for the younger forums who think it really matters.
Nice day from the Outlaws 2017 who were missing 7-8 of there top end players. Beat up on Jesters and 91 white. Then beat fl$ in convincing fashion. 6-4 and wasn't that close..
It is about being seen by coaches at this age, not bragging rights of who won. At one game, a parent asked the score and the ref said "we're not keeping score". In the fl$ game, the Outlaws goalie was simply amazing so to say it wasn't that close is inaccurate. That game had a ton of coaches on the sideline, including Danowski. Too bad for the other Outlaws goalie who didn't see one second on the field.
Maybe there were coaches there to see the Goalie that played the entire game. It is a recruiting event.
I saw the Outlaws/fl$ game and was impressed with the level of play. Lots of coaches on the sidelines.
Says the parent of the player.
Blackcard was the individual showcase day put on by Adrenaline? When did you (or your son's coach) first submit an application?
Interesting you should ask. Our son heard from an older friend who went last year it was a blast and great event. We asked his club coach to recommend him in the Fall. His club coach did it but also told us with emphasis this was a waste of time and money. A waste of a day and $100 ?!? Blah blah Jake Reed, blah blah Top 205, etc. Like basically everything else his club coach was wrong and just referring us to the other expensive crap where our club had a relationship. This was a fabulous first class event. Adrenaline I walked away from believing runs the best events...again, our team didn't go to Platinum Cup and I would not be shocked to understand later that the Platinum Cup was also awesome, competitive and run first class. [/quote]
Thanks much for your insight!
Yea heard he was there to look at a few kids from other teams.
But the attack from fl$- Manhasset is his target.
HAAAAAAAAAAA...
how about that nassau showcase roster?? what were they thinking? bunch of really good varsity players kicked to the curb.
fl$ 2017 coaches hijacked the tryout.
Turtles won the tournament and went undefeated. Scored 76 goals and let up 19 in six games.
91 went 0-3-2 in five games.
Turtles looked very strong for sure. I saw two of their games over the weekend. Looks like the turtles added a few new players or maybe some kids were just wearing their H.S. helmets.
Who I saw at NYLA: Duke, BU, Colgate, Fairfield and Syracuse.
how about that nassau showcase roster?? what were they thinking? bunch of really good varsity players kicked to the curb.
fl$ 2017 coaches hijacked the tryout.
Huh? What do you base your statement on? How many fl$ 2017 made the team?
how about that nassau showcase roster?? what were they thinking? bunch of really good varsity players kicked to the curb.
fl$ 2017 coaches hijacked the tryout.
Huh? What do you base your statement on? How many fl$ 2017 made the team?
enough to know the fl$ 2017 coach, who was a nassau evaluator had significant influence on the process. If fl$ team has all these great players why aren't they better? How did they do at NYLA?
how about that nassau showcase roster?? what were they thinking? bunch of really good varsity players kicked to the curb.
fl$ 2017 coaches hijacked the tryout.
Huh? What do you base your statement on? How many fl$ 2017 made the team?
enough to know the fl$ 2017 coach, who was a nassau evaluator had significant influence on the process. If fl$ team has all these great players why aren't they better? How did they do at NYLA?
At NYLA,
2017 fl$ were beaten by the outlaws. Really. Makes sense as to why the attack from 2017 were given spots on sophomore roster for showcase.
Love for the money goes a long way in any business deal
Guess it's why everyone says it's political.
you have to be that way to think that way says another parent.
how about that nassau showcase roster?? what were they thinking? bunch of really good varsity players kicked to the curb.
fl$ 2017 coaches hijacked the tryout.
Let's try to be a realist and not blame one coach. Here are the facts on the Nassau team: 13 different high schools have players on the team. 4 boys from Southside HS (none play for fl$) 4 boys from Garden City (1 plays for fl$) 7 different HS have one player on the team and of those 7, only 1 plays for fl$. Two fl$ from Manhasset also made it for a total of 4 out of 23. Hijacking means taking control. 17% is hardly taking control. But if it is, that means that the GC/Southside coaches also hijacked it. What club team(s) do the other 19 players play for?
When ratings are down. You have to do whatever it takes to get your organization looking good
[quote=Anonymous]how about that nassau showcase roster?? what were they thinking? bunch of really good varsity players kicked to the curb.
fl$ 2017 coaches hijacked the tryout.
It's called home cooking for a reason. Same thing happens everywhere. In Maryland the Freestate tryouts are notorious for being a self esteem building sham for the IAC and MIAA junior varsity.
I've heard that If you listen closely, you can actually hear a turtle crying.
how about that nassau showcase roster?? what were they thinking? bunch of really good varsity players kicked to the curb.
fl$ 2017 coaches hijacked the tryout.
Let's try to be a realist and not blame one coach. Here are the facts on the Nassau team: 13 different high schools have players on the team. 4 boys from Southside HS (none play for fl$) 4 boys from Garden City (1 plays for fl$) 7 different HS have one player on the team and of those 7, only 1 plays for fl$. Two fl$ from Manhasset also made it for a total of 4 out of 23. Hijacking means taking control. 17% is hardly taking control. But if it is, that means that the GC/Southside coaches also hijacked it. What club team(s) do the other 19 players play for?
[quote=Anonymous]how about that nassau showcase roster?? what were they thinking? bunch of really good varsity players kicked to the curb.
fl$ 2017 coaches hijacked the tryout.
It's called home cooking for a reason. Same thing happens everywhere. In Maryland the Freestate tryouts are notorious for being a self esteem building sham for the IAC and MIAA junior varsity.
I agree. For example, take a look at the Inside Lacrosse website they held their showcase yesterday & today and just posted their All-Stars. Those kids have a GREAT shot to be on the IL top 50 rankings when they come out. Point is, its all about $$$. 3D is the exact same way. We live in a non-hotbed (Ohio) so our options are limited, but the IL event would have been great for my son but we found out about it too late.
[quote=Anonymous]how about that nassau showcase roster?? what were they thinking? bunch of really good varsity players kicked to the curb.
fl$ 2017 coaches hijacked the tryout.
It's called home cooking for a reason. Same thing happens everywhere. In Maryland the Freestate tryouts are notorious for being a self esteem building sham for the IAC and MIAA junior varsity.
Strange, there were mostly public school coaches at the FreeState tryout...how does that benefit the MIAA/IAC teams?
Strange, there were mostly public school coaches at the FreeState tryout...how does that benefit the MIAA/IAC teams? [/quote]
Wrong. The evaluators were mostly IAC and MIAA coaches, and look at the names on the board of directors. You're misinformed.
Turtles won the tournament and went undefeated. Scored 76 goals and let up 19 in six games.
91 went 0-3-2 in five games.
Turtles were Impressive. What's up with Team 91? They struggled. I guess the Turtle additions did not help.
I've heard that If you listen closely, you can actually hear a turtle crying.
how about that nassau showcase roster?? what were they thinking? bunch of really good varsity players kicked to the curb.
fl$ 2017 coaches hijacked the tryout.
Let's try to be a realist and not blame one coach. Here are the facts on the Nassau team: 13 different high schools have players on the team. 4 boys from Southside HS (none play for fl$) 4 boys from Garden City (1 plays for fl$) 7 different HS have one player on the team and of those 7, only 1 plays for fl$. Two fl$ from Manhasset also made it for a total of 4 out of 23. Hijacking means taking control. 17% is hardly taking control. But if it is, that means that the GC/Southside coaches also hijacked it. What club team(s) do the other 19 players play for?
Transferred the below from the Under Armour thread. Pertains to this discussion as well:
you people are funny, if a great player with a big reputation has a bad tryout but makes the team everybody says it was predetermined and the kid made it on reputation, If a player without a big reputation has a great tryout and makes it then t is because of connections, basically nobody ever deserve to make a team based on his tryout, it is always something. Maybe the kid is a good player and the GC coaches never gave him a chance and they were wrong. Or maybe he had a great two days and deserved to make the team.
Turtles won the tournament and went undefeated. Scored 76 goals and let up 19 in six games.
91 went 0-3-2 in five games.
Turtles were Impressive. What's up with Team 91? They struggled. I guess the Turtle additions did not help.
The level of play at Adrenaline was unreal. Turtles by far most impressive, WCS and Sweetlax stacked with talent, Mesa, Dukes and laxachussetts not too far behind, 91 just didn't have the depth to make a big impact. This event will be a recruiting favorite, rutgers is easy to get to, could use some additional turf fields, although very easy to get around.
For those of you crying about the Nassau showcase tryout, the Suffolk showcase tryout was a joke. Coaches weren't even watching the games and absolutely no talent evaluation going on at all. Of course the usual suspects made it whether they played well or not.
the manhasset pole and csh middie got robbed.
For any parents that attended Brine NLC last Summer...What was the schedule roughly like? Did the teams stick together and practice/drill together, were kids separated by position for drills, did teams practice once down there? As a parent what was the day like? For instance, arrive at field at say 9am and leave at 5pm? or? Is there food services on "campus"? Did you pack a cooler with lunch for day? Did you drop off your son and/or stay and watch the entire day? Any heads up is greatly appreciated...
For those of you crying about the Nassau showcase tryout, the Suffolk showcase tryout was a joke. Coaches weren't even watching the games and absolutely no talent evaluation going on at all. Of course the usual suspects made it whether they played well or not.
But you are not crying, good for you! That being said, no one can properly evaluate on the merits over 40 boys in a 60 minute running time game.
For those of you crying about the Nassau showcase tryout, the Suffolk showcase tryout was a joke. Coaches weren't even watching the games and absolutely no talent evaluation going on at all. Of course the usual suspects made it whether they played well or not.
I know a suffolk player that literally didn't touch the ball 1 single time at the tryout but made the 2nd tryout and eventually the team.
Anything with local coaches is going to rigged. It always is. No matter what sport. What do you expect. Kids are never expected to win on their own merit any more lol
Anyone do the Brine 2017 tryout yesterday? How was it?
In the Nassau second round tryout, the coach switched middies. A former Turtle says to the coach as he is coming off "That's f'in [lacrosse], I just got on". Needless to say the coach was less than pleased. This young man is a very good player but hopefully he learned a lesson - how you conduct yourself matters as well.
But on the other hand, the process was rigged and they baited him into this so they could select a favorite.
In the Nassau second round tryout, the coach switched middies. A former Turtle says to the coach as he is coming off "That's f'in [lacrosse], I just got on". Needless to say the coach was less than pleased. This young man is a very good player but hopefully he learned a lesson - how you conduct yourself matters as well.
But on the other hand, the process was rigged and they baited him into this so they could select a favorite.
Why are top LI players trying out for Brine? The other regions will be the equivalent of U-15a teams in a beach ball tournament. That thing is a total joke and waste of money. If your kid did Brine I would wonder if it will hurt his lacrosse resume more than help it.
In the Nassau second round tryout, the coach switched middies. A former Turtle says to the coach as he is coming off "That's f'in [lacrosse], I just got on". Needless to say the coach was less than pleased. This young man is a very good player but hopefully he learned a lesson - how you conduct yourself matters as well.
But on the other hand, the process was rigged and they baited him into this so they could select a favorite.
If the process is rigged and they do not select the best kids then good for the boy for calling them out on it.
What is the problem with Brine? Competition was weak. Why does no one tryout? And if selected should we not go?
In the Nassau second round tryout, the coach switched middies. A former Turtle says to the coach as he is coming off "That's f'in [lacrosse], I just got on". Needless to say the coach was less than pleased. This young man is a very good player but hopefully he learned a lesson - how you conduct yourself matters as well.
But on the other hand, the process was rigged and they baited him into this so they could select a favorite.
If the kid is a former Turtle why inject his old team name. Did your wife force you to hyphenate your surname with hers? Tell it like it is...team 91 player.
In the Nassau second round tryout, the coach switched middies. A former Turtle says to the coach as he is coming off "That's f'in [lacrosse], I just got on". Needless to say the coach was less than pleased. This young man is a very good player but hopefully he learned a lesson - how you conduct yourself matters as well.
But on the other hand, the process was rigged and they baited him into this so they could select a favorite.
These tryouts all boil down to the same thing, if the HS coach isn't there to support his players it's very tough to overcome the politics bs.
btw the kid who said it is still on turtles. wrong kid.
turtles mid said it. iwas there. not new 91 mid. new 91 mid should have made nassau.
no one has time for brine. showcases and team tourneys.
brine Middle School was an excellent dip your fit in the water and see hour the showcase scene works. 1st time on a big stage for many and a great opportunity to practice presenting yourself
For the HS age this is just not a high enough profile event to be worthwhile vs. the alternatives.
The event is very well run, great facilities, great schedule, great experience - if this is what you are looking for than it is worth it
Also it is probably a bigger deal in the Not Hot Beds where showcase invites are harder to come by
What is the problem with Brine? Competition was weak. Why does no one tryout? And if selected should we not go?
We thought the Brine MD tryout one was a total joke and withdrew from it. If selected I would say save $199 and don't go. I'd rather have my kid get a weekend of rest or do something as a family than go to that. I could not believe the lame turnout and lack of quality kids who showed up. Seems like something is afoul when you see kids from teams in your own state you have never heard of and could not place five kids from teams you would see at tournaments like NSLCA, Balt Showcase or the Adrenaline Cup. This looked like a hit and run money grab and a pretty depressing showing for an elite tryout.
no one has time for brine. showcases and team tourneys.
Brine is a showcase.
In the Nassau second round tryout, the coach switched middies. A former Turtle says to the coach as he is coming off "That's f'in [lacrosse], I just got on". Needless to say the coach was less than pleased. This young man is a very good player but hopefully he learned a lesson - how you conduct yourself matters as well.
But on the other hand, the process was rigged and they baited him into this so they could select a favorite.
As there is no place for that at an event like this. It is a catch 22. You have the boys go because you don't want to believe the hype that it is rigged. Then when you get or see a short shift for another player who they may be related to it stinks.
BUT YOU (PLAYER/PARENT) NEED TO CARRY YOURSELF WITH RESPECT, THEY ARE LOOKING AT ALL ASPECTS OF THE PLAYER AND OUTBURSTS LIKE THAT CAN BE DONE DIFFERENTLY.
In the Nassau second round tryout, the coach switched middies. A former Turtle says to the coach as he is coming off "That's f'in [lacrosse], I just got on". Needless to say the coach was less than pleased. This young man is a very good player but hopefully he learned a lesson - how you conduct yourself matters as well.
But on the other hand, the process was rigged and they baited him into this so they could select a favorite.
These tryouts all boil down to the same thing, if the HS coach isn't there to support his players it's very tough to overcome the politics bs.
As other poster said it was not the former Turtle who said this but a current Turtle. Several other "high profile" players who people are complaining got cut also were disrespectful and full of themselves. Their high school coach could not help them overcome bad attitude. Below is a quote from the invitation email
"
First off, let me start off by congratulating you on being selected for the 2014 Nassau County Rising Sophomore Team. Remember, you are representing Nassau County Lacrosse, your school and your family. Play with respect and carry yourself appropriately. We will have two practices prior to the showcase game"
Note the emphasis on "carry yourself appropriately" - explains everything. These kids often behave just the same way their parents speak about others on this thread.
Those kids cut themselves.
In the Nassau second round tryout, the coach switched middies. A former Turtle says to the coach as he is coming off "That's f'in [lacrosse], I just got on". Needless to say the coach was less than pleased. This young man is a very good player but hopefully he learned a lesson - how you conduct yourself matters as well.
But on the other hand, the process was rigged and they baited him into this so they could select a favorite.
These tryouts all boil down to the same thing, if the HS coach isn't there to support his players it's very tough to overcome the politics bs.
As other poster said it was not the former Turtle who said this but a current Turtle. Several other "high profile" players who people are complaining got cut also were disrespectful and full of themselves. Their high school coach could not help them overcome bad attitude. Below is a quote from the invitation email
"
First off, let me start off by congratulating you on being selected for the 2014 Nassau County Rising Sophomore Team. Remember, you are representing Nassau County Lacrosse, your school and your family. Play with respect and carry yourself appropriately. We will have two practices prior to the showcase game"
Note the emphasis on "carry yourself appropriately" - explains everything. These kids often behave just the same way their parents speak about others on this thread.
Those kids cut themselves.
What weight does this event have other than seeing some good kids play county vs county? The privates were discriminated against by not being allowed in the first place so a true N vs S game doesn't exist. HS coach representing or not.
In the Nassau second round tryout, the coach switched middies. A former Turtle says to the coach as he is coming off "That's f'in [lacrosse], I just got on". Needless to say the coach was less than pleased. This young man is a very good player but hopefully he learned a lesson - how you conduct yourself matters as well.
But on the other hand, the process was rigged and they baited him into this so they could select a favorite.
I disagree, good for the kid not taking sh** from these coaches thinking they're god. All the kids should get the same amout of time on the field.
As there is no place for that at an event like this. It is a catch 22. You have the boys go because you don't want to believe the hype that it is rigged. Then when you get or see a short shift for another player who they may be related to it stinks.
BUT YOU (PLAYER/PARENT) NEED TO CARRY YOURSELF WITH RESPECT, THEY ARE LOOKING AT ALL ASPECTS OF THE PLAYER AND OUTBURSTS LIKE THAT CAN BE DONE DIFFERENTLY.
If you didn't know better, you would think fl$ won.
If you didn't know better, you would think fl$ won.
No one cares who won. Scroll down a bit for the write up on the Outlaws.
If you didn't know better, you would think fl$ won.
No one cares who won. Scroll down a bit for the write up on the Outlaws.
No one cares about the outlaws.
In the Nassau second round tryout, the coach switched middies. A former Turtle says to the coach as he is coming off "That's f'in [lacrosse], I just got on". Needless to say the coach was less than pleased. This young man is a very good player but hopefully he learned a lesson - how you conduct yourself matters as well.
But on the other hand, the process was rigged and they baited him into this so they could select a favorite.
I disagree, good for the kid not taking sh** from these coaches thinking they're god. All the kids should get the same amout of time on the field.
As there is no place for that at an event like this. It is a catch 22. You have the boys go because you don't want to believe the hype that it is rigged. Then when you get or see a short shift for another player who they may be related to it stinks.
BUT YOU (PLAYER/PARENT) NEED TO CARRY YOURSELF WITH RESPECT, THEY ARE LOOKING AT ALL ASPECTS OF THE PLAYER AND OUTBURSTS LIKE THAT CAN BE DONE DIFFERENTLY.
AND THESE PLAYERS ARE SUPPOSED TO RESPECT COACHES WITH NO MORALS?? F THAT!
In the Nassau second round tryout, the coach switched middies. A former Turtle says to the coach as he is coming off "That's f'in [lacrosse], I just got on". Needless to say the coach was less than pleased. This young man is a very good player but hopefully he learned a lesson - how you conduct yourself matters as well.
But on the other hand, the process was rigged and they baited him into this so they could select a favorite.
Blame the kids??!! C'mon Coach you can defend yourself better than that.
As there is no place for that at an event like this. It is a catch 22. You have the boys go because you don't want to believe the hype that it is rigged. Then when you get or see a short shift for another player who they may be related to it stinks.
BUT YOU (PLAYER/PARENT) NEED TO CARRY YOURSELF WITH RESPECT, THEY ARE LOOKING AT ALL ASPECTS OF THE PLAYER AND OUTBURSTS LIKE THAT CAN BE DONE DIFFERENTLY.
what about coaches that disrespect the kids. Will they put the kids that play club and not on the coaches summer team on the Suffolk/ Nassau roster, Or cut better players to suit their own agenda.
If you didn't know better, you would think fl$ won.
Well I gues the high number of kids getting recrutied
No one cares who won. Scroll down a bit for the write up on the Outlaws.
No one cares about the outlaws.
If you didn't know better, you would think fl$ won.
No one cares who won. Scroll down a bit for the write up on the Outlaws.
No one cares about the outlaws.
You do, or such a stupid statement would not be made
College coaches do
2014 18 d1 commits
2015 8 d1 commits
2016 10 D1 commits Many more on the way
2017 / only time will tell
what about coaches that disrespect the kids. Will they put the kids that play club and not on the coaches summer team on the Suffolk/ Nassau roster, Or cut better players to suit their own agenda.
Is that shorehams arini
If you didn't know better, you would think fl$ won.
Well I gues the high number of kids getting recrutied
No one cares who won. Scroll down a bit for the write up on the Outlaws.
No one cares about the outlaws.
If you didn't know better, you would think fl$ won.
No one cares who won. Scroll down a bit for the write up on the Outlaws.
No one cares about the outlaws.
You do, or such a stupid statement would not be made
College coaches do
2014 18 d1 commits
2015 8 d1 commits
2016 10 D1 commits Many more on the way
2017 / only time will tell
And nothing is owed to st.anthonys. lol. Or the other high school coaches. Keep drinking the kool aid.
BUT YOU (PLAYER/PARENT) NEED TO CARRY YOURSELF WITH RESPECT, THEY ARE LOOKING AT ALL ASPECTS OF THE PLAYER AND OUTBURSTS LIKE THAT CAN BE DONE DIFFERENTLY. [/quote] [/quote]
AND THESE PLAYERS ARE SUPPOSED TO RESPECT COACHES WITH NO MORALS?? F THAT! [/quote]
These players are supposed to be learning sportsmanship and should have class and dignity. The correct salty thing for this kid to do would have been to ask why am I coming out if I just got in? Non answer from coach, ask the question again. Non answer from coach, take your helmet off and walk off. There is a right way to be do it.
what about coaches that disrespect the kids. Will they put the kids that play club and not on the coaches summer team on the Suffolk/ Nassau roster, Or cut better players to suit their own agenda.
Its real life. If you you direct an F-bomb to your boss at work - you will pay the price. Do you think college coaches are going to put up with this behaviour and attitude. These talented boys have got to learn that if they are disrespectful they will not see the field. Their dad's can blame whatever else and suggest whatever coaching agenda they want, the problem on the field in the Nassau tryouts was crystal clear and made onlookers cringe.
what about coaches that disrespect the kids. Will they put the kids that play club and not on the coaches summer team on the Suffolk/ Nassau roster, Or cut better players to suit their own agenda.
Its real life. If you you direct an F-bomb to your boss at work - you will pay the price. Do you think college coaches are going to put up with this behaviour and attitude. These talented boys have got to learn that if they are disrespectful they will not see the field. Their dad's can blame whatever else and suggest whatever coaching agenda they want, the problem on the field in the Nassau tryouts was crystal clear and made onlookers cringe.
Thats not always true. We played a team in early fall from wading river and the coaches cursed at the kids, Grabbed the kids by their helmets and jerseys. The kids looked mortified by their coaches, We didn't see the refs stop the game or stop the coaches. So when is the balance between yelling and bullying going to end with lacrosse and other sports. Bullying doesn't make these kids more talented or stronger....it teaches them how to be cowards and how to disrespect others. the game has evolved but not in a good way.
what about coaches that disrespect the kids. Will they put the kids that play club and not on the coaches summer team on the Suffolk/ Nassau roster, Or cut better players to suit their own agenda.
Its real life. If you you direct an F-bomb to your boss at work - you will pay the price. Do you think college coaches are going to put up with this behaviour and attitude. These talented boys have got to learn that if they are disrespectful they will not see the field. Their dad's can blame whatever else and suggest whatever coaching agenda they want, the problem on the field in the Nassau tryouts was crystal clear and made onlookers cringe.
I was at this tryout and the only cringing going on was when certain players held the ball too much, which was plenty. If players were cut for mouthing off their HS coaches should be made aware. And that isn't the case
what about coaches that disrespect the kids. Will they put the kids that play club and not on the coaches summer team on the Suffolk/ Nassau roster, Or cut better players to suit their own agenda.
Its real life. If you you direct an F-bomb to your boss at work - you will pay the price. Do you think college coaches are going to put up with this behaviour and attitude. These talented boys have got to learn that if they are disrespectful they will not see the field. Their dad's can blame whatever else and suggest whatever coaching agenda they want, the problem on the field in the Nassau tryouts was crystal clear and made onlookers cringe.
Thats not always true. We played a team in early fall from wading river and the coaches cursed at the kids, Grabbed the kids by their helmets and jerseys. The kids looked mortified by their coaches, We didn't see the refs stop the game or stop the coaches. So when is the balance between yelling and bullying going to end with lacrosse and other sports. Bullying doesn't make these kids more talented or stronger....it teaches them how to be cowards and how to disrespect others. the game has evolved but not in a good way.
Our 2017 plays for a decent team in the Midwest and we were at the Baltimore Summer Kickoff. Same as prior trips up to Baltimore some of our games were competitive and some were not since the teams in the East are really strong. I was very disappointed in the levels of profane and classless behavior by parents in the stands, and what I could hear some of these kids saying on the field. In between those two points are a line of college coaches watching and listening. VLC 2017 and Breakers, nice teams you got there. The rest needs some work in this Mom's opinions. People notice manners, sportsmanship and respect. I realize you have some fancy teams and great players, but I would not want my son playing on your teams or anywhere near your crazy and profane parents. I was embarrassed for you and pray you can do a little better in the future.
Unfortunately not everyone has class or dignity when playing lax or coaching it. Some teams on long island encourage bad behavior, slashing , cursing, dirty hitting with sticks. Some of the coaches have no training, no idea how to coach and no class/dignity.
Just watch shoreham play next time. The coaches yell profanities at their players the entire game. Pitiful at NYLA.
Please stop, i was at the Brine try out last year kids on the did not make field, all of the sudden ended up on the A team. mostly 91 and express kids because of Mule, and Joe, I did not come on here and knock your kids, I simply told my kid that how sports and life work.Clearly this is your first time with no connection and you can't handle it. SAD
Sorry to hear that, but I think maybe direct that to the Mid-Atlantic forum as I think Breakers and VLC are not from the northeast. We do have our share of classless parents on L.I. though.
what about coaches that disrespect the kids. Will they put the kids that play club and not on the coaches summer team on the Suffolk/ Nassau roster, Or cut better players to suit their own agenda.
Its real life. If you you direct an F-bomb to your boss at work - you will pay the price. Do you think college coaches are going to put up with this behaviour and attitude. These talented boys have got to learn that if they are disrespectful they will not see the field. Their dad's can blame whatever else and suggest whatever coaching agenda they want, the problem on the field in the Nassau tryouts was crystal clear and made onlookers cringe.
Thats not always true. We played a team in early fall from wading river and the coaches cursed at the kids, Grabbed the kids by their helmets and jerseys. The kids looked mortified by their coaches, We didn't see the refs stop the game or stop the coaches. So when is the balance between yelling and bullying going to end with lacrosse and other sports. Bullying doesn't make these kids more talented or stronger....it teaches them how to be cowards and how to disrespect others. the game has evolved but not in a good way.
I agree. There is no place for coaches yelling and bullying the kids. Someday one of these kids will videotape these inappropriate tirades and post it on you tube. Then maybe some ADs will be embarassed enough to reign in their coaches.
But parents can and should expect their children to remain respectful on the field - and if their children are not and are "kicked to the curb" because of it they need to own that and stop blaming other factors.
just when you thought MD parents and kids could not go more pathetic...now we learn that kids who tried out for but did not make Baltimore UA team registered again to try out for Wash DC UA team. the lawyer joke about rats not being willing to do what lawyers do also applies to MD lacrosse families. pathetic.
ARE THE BRINE RESULTS POSTED FOR LI?
What tryout were you people watching? Cringing? What a bunch of crap. Drama club practice on Tuesdays at 7.
just when you thought MD parents and kids could not go more pathetic...now we learn that kids who tried out for but did not make Baltimore UA team registered again to try out for Wash DC UA team. the lawyer joke about rats not being willing to do what lawyers do also applies to MD lacrosse families. pathetic.
We have some real winners here on Long Island too. Ive seen plenty of Long Island parents running to other regions when little Joey boombats didn't make Brine or UA. That's not limited to Maryland, its everywhere
just when you thought MD parents and kids could not go more pathetic...now we learn that kids who tried out for but did not make Baltimore UA team registered again to try out for Wash DC UA team. the lawyer joke about rats not being willing to do what lawyers do also applies to MD lacrosse families. pathetic.
We have some real winners here on Long Island too. Ive seen plenty of Long Island parents running to other regions when little Joey boombats didn't make Brine or UA. That's not limited to Maryland, its everywhere
I pity the NCAA coaches recruiting 2017 kids and families. Needy emails, voice mails, psycho Dads showing up at the coaches offices family therapy when the kid doesn't see the field in college. Yup. I hope the pay is good because these college coaches will have two jobs. Coaching a team and managing this mess of needy kids and their parents to manage. Whether college coaches want to admit it, they are signed up for both.
Long Island parent here... you are right. it is a pressure cooker here.
no excuses for classless behavior - but consider this:
when you take over taxed long islanders, in a bad economy, trying to pay for expensive training, club teams, showcase camps, time away from work, every weekend of summer on searing hot fields...
only for the desperate hope that your son or daughter can get a better education, and or scholarship money... so they don't have to struggle in the same way.
Long Island Lax is NO Longer considered the noval sport of choice for the wealthy elite. Long Island Lax is main steam! Much larger pools of athletes, more pressure to stay competitive...
Can contributors agree with the LI Lax dynamics?
Long Island parent here... you are right. it is a pressure cooker here.
no excuses for classless behavior - but consider this:
when you take over taxed long islanders, in a bad economy, trying to pay for expensive training, club teams, showcase camps, time away from work, every weekend of summer on searing hot fields...
only for the desperate hope that your son or daughter can get a better education, and or scholarship money... so they don't have to struggle in the same way.
Long Island Lax is NO Longer considered the noval sport of choice for the wealthy elite. Long Island Lax is main steam! Much larger pools of athletes, more pressure to stay competitive...
Can contributors agree with the LI Lax dynamics?
I didn't grow up playing lacrosse and am not from LI but went to UVa and had first year roommates in the dorm who played for the team, and then had fraternity brothers who were on the team. All of them were from LI and to me seemed to be pretty average kids family wealth wise. If my buddies needed for their families to pay for showcases, prospect days, clubs year round and other items in addition to playing for their local schools, I doubt those kids would have wound up at UVa. That is pretty telling if my knowledge is true. In the 1970s and 1980s lacrosse was not an elite prep school thing in LI, it was what kids grew up playing in their towns and at their public high schools. They just happened to be really good at it without all this drama and expense that is now in the game.
just when you thought MD parents and kids could not go more pathetic...now we learn that kids who tried out for but did not make Baltimore UA team registered again to try out for Wash DC UA team. the lawyer joke about rats not being willing to do what lawyers do also applies to MD lacrosse families. pathetic.
We have some real winners here on Long Island too. Ive seen plenty of Long Island parents running to other regions when little Joey boombats didn't make Brine or UA. That's not limited to Maryland, its everywhere
I pity the NCAA coaches recruiting 2017 kids and families. Needy emails, voice mails, psycho Dads showing up at the coaches offices family therapy when the kid doesn't see the field in college. Yup. I hope the pay is good because these college coaches will have two jobs. Coaching a team and managing this mess of needy kids and their parents to manage. Whether college coaches want to admit it, they are signed up for both.
Everyone's a wanna be when it comes to lax
A great deal of parents spend more money on showcases, training and expensive club teams then they do for their child's education. Sad but true. Not every kid leavin 2017 graduation will continue to play lacrosse, thrive in college with mediocre grades or touch a field in division I lax except for practices. The dummy squad. But keep doing what you all do best. Ruin friendship, stab your high school coaches in the back, all for that million dollar dream. Of having bragging rights that your child played divsion I lax. Where have the good ole days gone
of parents bragging about their child becoming a doctor, a volunteer for peace corps, or the president of the US? That's right those dreams are all crazy huh $! All for the love of the game..
People are willing to invest $280,000 for a basic 4 year degree with maybe $16,000 in lax scholarship money.
And you wonder why our country is in financial " ruins" thats right the future rocket scientist are only focused on lax.
Long Island parent here... you are right. it is a pressure cooker here.
no excuses for classless behavior - but consider this:
when you take over taxed long islanders, in a bad economy, trying to pay for expensive training, club teams, showcase camps, time away from work, every weekend of summer on searing hot fields...
only for the desperate hope that your son or daughter can get a better education, and or scholarship money... so they don't have to struggle in the same way.
Long Island Lax is NO Longer considered the noval sport of choice for the wealthy elite. Long Island Lax is main steam! Much larger pools of athletes, more pressure to stay competitive...
Can contributors agree with the LI Lax dynamics?
One of the most well thought out and well presented posts I have ever seen on this board. Absolutely 1000 percent agree. I have to admit I am in that category of people that sees something in my son that I believe he can succeed at the next level not only athletically but academically as well. Not many of us were afforded the same opportunities growing up, we all kid of made our way the best we could. I don't consider myself a lunatic parent but I am very tuned in to what is going on with my sons life both on and off the field. However, none of that excuses some of the behavior that gets exhibited on the sidelines. The stakes are high indeed but it all needs to be kept in its proper perspective. Nice job!
I don't see the issue with this. It is clearly stated in the rules. You can try out in multiple regions, but must play for the region and attend practices for the region that you made the team. Pretty straight forward...if you don't make it on LI or MD, why not go to another region and give your son a chance to play in front of college coaches and possibly gain some recognition?
Long Island parent here... you are right. it is a pressure cooker here.
no excuses for classless behavior - but consider this:
when you take over taxed long islanders, in a bad economy, trying to pay for expensive training, club teams, showcase camps, time away from work, every weekend of summer on searing hot fields...
only for the desperate hope that your son or daughter can get a better education, and or scholarship money... so they don't have to struggle in the same way.
Long Island Lax is NO Longer considered the noval sport of choice for the wealthy elite. Long Island Lax is main steam! Much larger pools of athletes, more pressure to stay competitive...
Can contributors agree with the LI Lax dynamics?
I didn't grow up playing lacrosse and am not from LI but went to UVa and had first year roommates in the dorm who played for the team, and then had fraternity brothers who were on the team. All of them were from LI and to me seemed to be pretty average kids family wealth wise. If my buddies needed for their families to pay for showcases, prospect days, clubs year round and other items in addition to playing for their local schools, I doubt those kids would have wound up at UVa. That is pretty telling if my knowledge is true. In the 1970s and 1980s lacrosse was not an elite prep school thing in LI, it was what kids grew up playing in their towns and at their public high schools. They just happened to be really good at it without all this drama and expense that is now in the game.
That was a long time ago dude. There are some bad parts with the growth of the sport.
Rising sophs showcase score: Suffolk crushes Nassau 18-7. Nice job Nassau coaches with your selections. Ball don't lie. Left off top kids and you got what you deserved. Should've picked on merit. Who's cringing now?
Suffolks attack choice was all done on politics and not based on true talent! Wink wink
Both sides appear to have selections based off politics and not true merit. Its long island where [lacrosse] walks
is there a roster of the Suffolk 2017 team posted anywhere?
Thanks
Yes your 5 foot 2 kid would have made the difference. Loser
Yes your 5 foot 2 kid would have made the difference. Loser
Ouccchhy
Rising sophs showcase score: Suffolk crushes Nassau 18-7. Nice job Nassau coaches with your selections. Ball don't lie. Left off top kids and you got what you deserved. Should've picked on merit. Who's cringing now?
Sad for those boys, they were in over their heads and unfortunately exposed in front of all those college coaches.
Can someone please sort out the pecking order of the different 2017 LI Express teams?
Please tell me your joking.
No, I am not from Long Island and obviously know the turtles are the best of the bunch but don't know how the rest stack up.
Now that this sport has reached a lowest common denominator recruiting kids before they enter high school, it would not be a bad suggestion for the NCAA to make a rule on commitments timetables like they have with NLI's.
A committed kid in any sport cannot sign a National Letter of Intent until December of his/her senior year. That is when it becomes official with a grant-in-aid student athlete scholarship.
I would propose that the NCAA place into rule that member institutions cannot formally or informally offer out scholarships or commitments of any kind until one calendar year before the NLI date for the class. December of their junior year.
Before the lunatics jump in with calling everyone who is not in for early recruiting a loser, etc., think about what this really does and what impact it will have. For starters you can't tell NCAA lacrosse coaches to not evaluate kids early, and they'd be doing it with your talented 2017 and now 2018 kids anyways. At the coaches' convention in Baltimore this past Fall, all of the usual suspects were preaching for some curbing on early recruiting. The most vocal were the worst offenders starting with Starsia and Petro. In summary, they debated and generally agreed early recruiting extremes were getting too extreme without defining what extreme is and agreed something had to be done. Then they all agreed that the biggest problem is they could not trust each other to abide by a gentlemen's agreement because they were all admittedly terrible about following that in prior attempts. They they got tired and were hungry and wanted to retire to adjourn to lunch, and that was the end of it.
What we are seeing now will continue no matter what reforms eventually come. This the coaches in lawn chairs at tournaments and showcases, the NCAA campus prospect team camps, the NCAA campus prospect days, kids doing highlight videos and sending them in, "unofficial" visits of kids to the campus and athletic facilities and NCAA coaches being tethered to the club and HS coaches via text and calls to speak on kids would continue at this or a worse rate. Again, if the coaches want to evaluate early they will one way or next anyways and the clubs, high schools and families all encourage that through consumer behavior.
But if you put in one plain rule stating no OFFERS can be made until December of the junior year, it would be good for the sports and the business of sports. This includes at least the following benefits:
1. Clubs can remain relevant. Right now, if I were the owner of a strong club like Dukes, LI Express, Crabs I would be really concerned if I will be relevant in a year or two. If kids commit as rising ninth graders, who needs the club? It will start to look silly when club websites show lists of freshmen commits who dropped their club for their prep school Summer team which has been a trend in recent 2 years, or to just do showcases and train in the Summer.
2. Hotbed area prep schools / coaches can look like less of a joke. Right now if I were the coach of a $30K a year or more prep school in Philly Main line, MIAA or IAC school, I would be really concerned if my lacrosse families would really want to pay that freight for prep school to help place their kids at NCAA programs if for the best players it is happening in ninth grade before they hit the field. Public school teams are lifting country wide and in hotbeds, and let's face it the Philly, MIAA and IAC schools are not Deerfield or Andover type places academically. Lacrosse keeps the money till running.
3. College coaches win big money wise. Team camps and prospect days are a gold mine for NCAA programs and coaching staff compensation. But really, if UNC and UVa are "full" for rising tenth graders and have long since been full for rising eleventh graders, what lacrosse consumers are bone stupid enough to shell out cash and time to enroll their kid in these things. UNCA and UVa each have had very lucrative Summer team camps for years. Now who would want to go? Teams or families that bite on those camps stating other NCAA coaches will be there watching too? Those same coaches go to everything else, so that value proposition is worth nothing to the lacrosse consumers.
4. The NCAA admissions offices retain integrity and a standard. UPenn committed kids with one semester of high school grades. Princeton committed a kid just out of ninth grade. The bargain is not solid enough for the admissions offices to do this for non-revenue sports. Some kids let grades slip or can't score on SATs and the commitment is gone, so why make one without the baseline data needed? And that is the least of it. What admissions director wants some lacrosse coach asking him/her to look past something else God forbid like a drug or alcohol related incident or arrest, suspension or expulsion from a prep school, etc.? What admissions officer would even want to risk being in that position?
5. The families and kids don't lose. It is still a 12.5 scholarship sport with roster spots to give each year. Instead of a verbal commitment, a talented 2017 would be getting indications from his club and HS coaches that he is on track for a spot and is being recruited by schools. The best players will take the scholarships and the spots anyways in the end. If you are one of the best there is not a need to worry reform is coming to take your dream spot.
6. Mandating that OFFERS cannot go until December of eleventh grade would, I believe, greatly reduce the "reclassified" game theory families are buying into for eighth and ninth grade. Ok, we all reach Malcolm Gladwell's book with keen attention to the chapter about the hockey players being born in January through March and having an age advantage. The book was referring to 5-7 year old hockey players getting a permanent advantage by being able to play for clubs and get coaching early. Lacrosse has no such limitations. All kids can play somewhere, and being a year older makes less difference in the later parts of high school and beyond. Families also save that extra year of $30K-$50K prep tuition or can save that option for a PG year if an NCAA coach really wants them a year later.
Who loses if this happens? Who does not win if this does not happen?
Translation: your kid is not on the radar of early recruiting. Therefor; something must be done about the trend so that your "anonymous to D 1 coaches son" can maybe develop more and become a factor later. That can only happen if your reforms are placed and maybe your kid will have a chance; which is not about to happen.
Now that this sport has reached a lowest common denominator recruiting kids before they enter high school, it would not be a bad suggestion for the NCAA to make a rule on commitments timetables like they have with NLI's.
A committed kid in any sport cannot sign a National Letter of Intent until December of his/her senior year. That is when it becomes official with a grant-in-aid student athlete scholarship.
I would propose that the NCAA place into rule that member institutions cannot formally or informally offer out scholarships or commitments of any kind until one calendar year before the NLI date for the class. December of their junior year.
Before the lunatics jump in with calling everyone who is not in for early recruiting a loser, etc., think about what this really does and what impact it will have. For starters you can't tell NCAA lacrosse coaches to not evaluate kids early, and they'd be doing it with your talented 2017 and now 2018 kids anyways. At the coaches' convention in Baltimore this past Fall, all of the usual suspects were preaching for some curbing on early recruiting. The most vocal were the worst offenders starting with Starsia and Petro. In summary, they debated and generally agreed early recruiting extremes were getting too extreme without defining what extreme is and agreed something had to be done. Then they all agreed that the biggest problem is they could not trust each other to abide by a gentlemen's agreement because they were all admittedly terrible about following that in prior attempts. They they got tired and were hungry and wanted to retire to adjourn to lunch, and that was the end of it.
What we are seeing now will continue no matter what reforms eventually come. This the coaches in lawn chairs at tournaments and showcases, the NCAA campus prospect team camps, the NCAA campus prospect days, kids doing highlight videos and sending them in, "unofficial" visits of kids to the campus and athletic facilities and NCAA coaches being tethered to the club and HS coaches via text and calls to speak on kids would continue at this or a worse rate. Again, if the coaches want to evaluate early they will one way or next anyways and the clubs, high schools and families all encourage that through consumer behavior.
But if you put in one plain rule stating no OFFERS can be made until December of the junior year, it would be good for the sports and the business of sports. This includes at least the following benefits:
1. Clubs can remain relevant. Right now, if I were the owner of a strong club like Dukes, LI Express, Crabs I would be really concerned if I will be relevant in a year or two. If kids commit as rising ninth graders, who needs the club? It will start to look silly when club websites show lists of freshmen commits who dropped their club for their prep school Summer team which has been a trend in recent 2 years, or to just do showcases and train in the Summer.
2. Hotbed area prep schools / coaches can look like less of a joke. Right now if I were the coach of a $30K a year or more prep school in Philly Main line, MIAA or IAC school, I would be really concerned if my lacrosse families would really want to pay that freight for prep school to help place their kids at NCAA programs if for the best players it is happening in ninth grade before they hit the field. Public school teams are lifting country wide and in hotbeds, and let's face it the Philly, MIAA and IAC schools are not Deerfield or Andover type places academically. Lacrosse keeps the money till running.
3. College coaches win big money wise. Team camps and prospect days are a gold mine for NCAA programs and coaching staff compensation. But really, if UNC and UVa are "full" for rising tenth graders and have long since been full for rising eleventh graders, what lacrosse consumers are bone stupid enough to shell out cash and time to enroll their kid in these things. UNCA and UVa each have had very lucrative Summer team camps for years. Now who would want to go? Teams or families that bite on those camps stating other NCAA coaches will be there watching too? Those same coaches go to everything else, so that value proposition is worth nothing to the lacrosse consumers.
4. The NCAA admissions offices retain integrity and a standard. UPenn committed kids with one semester of high school grades. Princeton committed a kid just out of ninth grade. The bargain is not solid enough for the admissions offices to do this for non-revenue sports. Some kids let grades slip or can't score on SATs and the commitment is gone, so why make one without the baseline data needed? And that is the least of it. What admissions director wants some lacrosse coach asking him/her to look past something else God forbid like a drug or alcohol related incident or arrest, suspension or expulsion from a prep school, etc.? What admissions officer would even want to risk being in that position?
5. The families and kids don't lose. It is still a 12.5 scholarship sport with roster spots to give each year. Instead of a verbal commitment, a talented 2017 would be getting indications from his club and HS coaches that he is on track for a spot and is being recruited by schools. The best players will take the scholarships and the spots anyways in the end. If you are one of the best there is not a need to worry reform is coming to take your dream spot.
6. Mandating that OFFERS cannot go until December of eleventh grade would, I believe, greatly reduce the "reclassified" game theory families are buying into for eighth and ninth grade. Ok, we all reach Malcolm Gladwell's book with keen attention to the chapter about the hockey players being born in January through March and having an age advantage. The book was referring to 5-7 year old hockey players getting a permanent advantage by being able to play for clubs and get coaching early. Lacrosse has no such limitations. All kids can play somewhere, and being a year older makes less difference in the later parts of high school and beyond. Families also save that extra year of $30K-$50K prep tuition or can save that option for a PG year if an NCAA coach really wants them a year later.
Who loses if this happens? Who does not win if this does not happen?
[quote=Anonymous]Translation: your kid is not on the radar of early recruiting. Therefor; something must be done about the trend so that your "anonymous to D 1 coaches son" can maybe develop more and become a factor later. That can only happen if your reforms are placed and maybe your kid will have a chance; which is not about to happen.
I have a 2015 who committed in Fall of soph year and a 2017 going through the process now. I think the poster posed some decent suggestions. Maybe the poster didn't realize that something thoughtful is not welcome with neanderthal lacrosse parents like youn
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Translation: your kid is not on the radar of early recruiting. Therefor; something must be done about the trend so that your "anonymous to D 1 coaches son" can maybe develop more and become a factor later. That can only happen if your reforms are placed and maybe your kid will have a chance; which is not about to happen.
What kind of a man (or woman) says such things! You are really a bully and your lack of class is astounding.
How did Terps do this weekend.
Right, you where there? Where on the sidelines at East Northport with a microphone on the sideline? give me a break
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Translation: your kid is not on the radar of early recruiting. Therefor; something must be done about the trend so that your "anonymous to D 1 coaches son" can maybe develop more and become a factor later. That can only happen if your reforms are placed and maybe your kid will have a chance; which is not about to happen.
I'm a former D1 assistant coach. Yes, we read these things. A little advice for you: most of my colleagues in college lacrosse don't need two things. Bad kids & bad parents. This post also made its way through the coaching ranks and some of us forwarded it to the NCAA in Indianapolis. Another translation; stay anonymous. If anyone knew your name it would do more damage to your kid than I could say which is unfortunate.
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Translation: your kid is not on the radar of early recruiting. Therefor; something must be done about the trend so that your "anonymous to D 1 coaches son" can maybe develop more and become a factor later. That can only happen if your reforms are placed and maybe your kid will have a chance; which is not about to happen.
I'm a former D1 assistant coach. Yes, we read these things. A little advice for you: most of my colleagues in college lacrosse don't need two things. Bad kids & bad parents. This post also made its way through the coaching ranks and some of us forwarded it to the NCAA in Indianapolis. Another translation; stay anonymous. If anyone knew your name it would do more damage to your kid than I could say which is unfortunate.
Hey moderators
Can you highlight this former coach's response - there are so many posts just as out of line like this on this board, especially this thread.
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Translation: your kid is not on the radar of early recruiting. Therefor; something must be done about the trend so that your "anonymous to D 1 coaches son" can maybe develop more and become a factor later. That can only happen if your reforms are placed and maybe your kid will have a chance; which is not about to happen.
I'm a former D1 assistant coach. Yes, we read these things. A little advice for you: most of my colleagues in college lacrosse don't need two things. Bad kids & bad parents. This post also made its way through the coaching ranks and some of us forwarded it to the NCAA in Indianapolis. Another translation; stay anonymous. If anyone knew your name it would do more damage to your kid than I could say which is unfortunate.
Hey moderators
Can you highlight this former coach's response - there are so many posts just as out of line like this on this board, especially this thread.
Well, anonymous jerks will continue on blogs. Why not just stay on topic. IL reporter flouting that more kids just out of 8th grade are setting up college campus visits?!?!? Ty Xanders is not a detached bystander. IL is stoking parents to go into a panic with 8th graders now, which suits their media reach. And it works because lacrosse parents will panic react into anything now. So basically if you are supposed to be visiting colleges and all in with recruiting when the kid is 13, then lacrosse parents will start to position for that moment when the kid is 11 or 12. Why would anyone want their kid to play lacrosse if that becomes the norm? For a $5,000 a year lax bro scholarship to UNC?
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Translation: your kid is not on the radar of early recruiting. Therefor; something must be done about the trend so that your "anonymous to D 1 coaches son" can maybe develop more and become a factor later. That can only happen if your reforms are placed and maybe your kid will have a chance; which is not about to happen.
I'm a former D1 assistant coach. Yes, we read these things. A little advice for you: most of my colleagues in college lacrosse don't need two things. Bad kids & bad parents. This post also made its way through the coaching ranks and some of us forwarded it to the NCAA in Indianapolis. Another translation; stay anonymous. If anyone knew your name it would do more damage to your kid than I could say which is unfortunate.
Nice post coming from just another anonymous poster.. Former assistant D1 college coach, huh?
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Translation: your kid is not on the radar of early recruiting. Therefor; something must be done about the trend so that your "anonymous to D 1 coaches son" can maybe develop more and become a factor later. That can only happen if your reforms are placed and maybe your kid will have a chance; which is not about to happen.
I'm a former D1 assistant coach. Yes, we read these things. A little advice for you: most of my colleagues in college lacrosse don't need two things. Bad kids & bad parents. This post also made its way through the coaching ranks and some of us forwarded it to the NCAA in Indianapolis. Another translation; stay anonymous. If anyone knew your name it would do more damage to your kid than I could say which is unfortunate.
Nice post coming from just another anonymous poster.. Former assistant D1 college coach, huh?
Is the arini from shoreham wading river. ....its sounds just like him. Threatening a poster
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Translation: your kid is not on the radar of early recruiting. Therefor; something must be done about the trend so that your "anonymous to D 1 coaches son" can maybe develop more and become a factor later. That can only happen if your reforms are placed and maybe your kid will have a chance; which is not about to happen.
I'm a former D1 assistant coach. Yes, we read these things. A little advice for you: most of my colleagues in college lacrosse don't need two things. Bad kids & bad parents. This post also made its way through the coaching ranks and some of us forwarded it to the NCAA in Indianapolis. Another translation; stay anonymous. If anyone knew your name it would do more damage to your kid than I could say which is unfortunate.
Nice post coming from just another anonymous poster.. Former assistant D1 college coach, huh?
Is the arini from shoreham wading river. ....its sounds just like him. Threatening a poster
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Translation: your kid is not on the radar of early recruiting. Therefor; something must be done about the trend so that your "anonymous to D 1 coaches son" can maybe develop more and become a factor later. That can only happen if your reforms are placed and maybe your kid will have a chance; which is not about to happen.
I'm a former D1 assistant coach. Yes, we read these things. A little advice for you: most of my colleagues in college lacrosse don't need two things. Bad kids & bad parents. This post also made its way through the coaching ranks and some of us forwarded it to the NCAA in Indianapolis. Another translation; stay anonymous. If anyone knew your name it would do more damage to your kid than I could say which is unfortunate.
Definitely the coach from swr....always bragging about his div 1 day. Ahhaha
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Translation: your kid is not on the radar of early recruiting. Therefor; something must be done about the trend so that your "anonymous to D 1 coaches son" can maybe develop more and become a factor later. That can only happen if your reforms are placed and maybe your kid will have a chance; which is not about to happen.
I'm a former D1 assistant coach. Yes, we read these things. A little advice for you: most of my colleagues in college lacrosse don't need two things. Bad kids & bad parents. This post also made its way through the coaching ranks and some of us forwarded it to the NCAA in Indianapolis. Another translation; stay anonymous. If anyone knew your name it would do more damage to your kid than I could say which is unfortunate.
Nice post coming from just another anonymous poster.. Former assistant D1 college coach, huh?
Is the arini from shoreham wading river. ....its sounds just like him. Threatening a poster
[quote=Anonymous]Translation: your kid is not on the radar of early recruiting. Therefor; something must be done about the trend so that your "anonymous to D 1 coaches son" can maybe develop more and become a factor later. That can only happen if your reforms are placed and maybe your kid will have a chance; which is not about to happen.
I'm a former D1 assistant coach. Yes, we read these things. A little advice for you: most of my colleagues in college lacrosse don't need two things. Bad kids & bad parents. This post also made its way through the coaching ranks and some of us forwarded it to the NCAA in Indianapolis. Another translation; stay anonymous. If anyone knew your name it would do more damage to your kid than I could say which is unfortunate.
Definitely the coach from swr....always bragging about his div 1 day. Ahhaha
Not everything has to do with SWR. If nothing is going on on the 1,000 page SWR thread you throw it out on another...Go outside and enjoy the sunshine! GET OVER IT!!!!!
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Translation: your kid is not on the radar of early recruiting. Therefor; something must be done about the trend so that your "anonymous to D 1 coaches son" can maybe develop more and become a factor later. That can only happen if your reforms are placed and maybe your kid will have a chance; which is not about to happen.
I'm a former D1 assistant coach. Yes, we read these things. A little advice for you: most of my colleagues in college lacrosse don't need two things. Bad kids & bad parents. This post also made its way through the coaching ranks and some of us forwarded it to the NCAA in Indianapolis. Another translation; stay anonymous. If anyone knew your name it would do more damage to your kid than I could say which is unfortunate.
Nice post coming from just another anonymous poster.. Former assistant D1 college coach, huh?
Is the arini from shoreham wading river. ....its sounds just like him. Threatening a poster
[quote=Anonymous]Translation: your kid is not on the radar of early recruiting. Therefor; something must be done about the trend so that your "anonymous to D 1 coaches son" can maybe develop more and become a factor later. That can only happen if your reforms are placed and maybe your kid will have a chance; which is not about to happen.
I'm a former D1 assistant coach. Yes, we read these things. A little advice for you: most of my colleagues in college lacrosse don't need two things. Bad kids & bad parents. This post also made its way through the coaching ranks and some of us forwarded it to the NCAA in Indianapolis. Another translation; stay anonymous. If anyone knew your name it would do more damage to your kid than I could say which is unfortunate.
Definitely the coach from swr....always bragging about his div 1 day. Ahhaha
Not everything has to do with SWR. If nothing is going on on the 1,000 page SWR thread you throw it out on another...Go outside and enjoy the sunshine! GET OVER IT!!!!!
I honestly thought this was a joke. Shoreham-Wading River the name of a high school ?!? Google search. Yes. Yes, it is. Shout out to LI, this is fabulous entertainment. I am bummed I can't see and hear you. If we could nobody would watch reality TV.
This site continues to spew hate once anyone has a differing view on early recruitment , multi sport athlete or any other idea that goes against what the majority believe. You don't agree with the current early commits it's because you are jealous , you think their is value in multi sport athletes as does most d1 coaches you are just wrong and forget about it if you are a former coach who did not criticize anyone. When looking at each lacrosse parent the majority are nuts. There is more over the top behavior at any lacrosse tournament by parents then any other sport.
Rising sophs showcase score: Suffolk crushes Nassau 18-7. Nice job Nassau coaches with your selections. Ball don't lie. Left off top kids and you got what you deserved. Should've picked on merit. Who's cringing now?
Sad for those boys, they were in over their heads and unfortunately exposed in front of all those college coaches.
Is there a summary writeup of the game somewhere? I'd like to see who was highlighted from both Nassau and Suffolk.
When looking at each lacrosse parent the majority are nuts. There is more over the top behavior at any lacrosse tournament by parents then any other sport.
Ha ha. You sure about that?
When looking at each lacrosse parent the majority are nuts. There is more over the top behavior at any lacrosse tournament by parents then any other sport.
Ha ha. You sure about that?
Your kid obviously does not play ice hockey. Come see a brawl when police are called. This is an extreme, but I think hockey parents may take the cake.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=96553
Lacrosse was a great sport totally going to the dogs
When looking at each lacrosse parent the majority are nuts. There is more over the top behavior at any lacrosse tournament by parents then any other sport.
Ha ha. You sure about that?
Your kid obviously does not play ice hockey. Come see a brawl when police are called. This is an extreme, but I think hockey parents may take the cake.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=96553Hockey is more extreme but lacrosse parents on a whole take the cake. I think the fact parent and spectators can get so close to the field makes a difference. A crazy hockey parent is more extreme I'll give you that but at least every hockey parent doesn't truly believe their kid is going division one.
Anybody going to the Crabfeast? The lineup of teams is sick.
When looking at each lacrosse parent the majority are nuts. There is more over the top behavior at any lacrosse tournament by parents then any other sport.
Ha ha. You sure about that?
Your kid obviously does not play ice hockey. Come see a brawl when police are called. This is an extreme, but I think hockey parents may take the cake.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=96553When looking at each lacrosse parent the majority are nuts. There is more over the top behavior at any lacrosse tournament by parents then any other sport.
Ha ha. You sure about that?
Your kid obviously does not play ice hockey. Come see a brawl when police are called. This is an extreme, but I think hockey parents may take the cake.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=96553Well these brawls aren't limited to hockey. I was at a pal game when my son was EIGHT and the cops were called for a brawl between two parents.
Well these brawls aren't limited to hockey. I was at a pal game when my son was EIGHT and the cops were called for a brawl between two parents. [/quote]
Let's stay tuned. At least two Jerry Springer shows filming this weekend. Crabfeast and Gait Cup.
Rising sophs showcase score: Suffolk crushes Nassau 18-7. Nice job Nassau coaches with your selections. Ball don't lie. Left off top kids and you got what you deserved. Should've picked on merit. Who's cringing now?
Sad for those boys, they were in over their heads and unfortunately exposed in front of all those college coaches.
Is there a summary writeup of the game somewhere? I'd like to see who was highlighted from both Nassau and Suffolk.
Quick Breakdown: Suffolk dominated the game, only reason it was close in first half was that Nassau was man up 6-10 times, lost count. Final score not indicative of actual game as Nassau scored a few in garbage time.
Rising sophs showcase score: Suffolk crushes Nassau 18-7. Nice job Nassau coaches with your selections. Ball don't lie. Left off top kids and you got what you deserved. Should've picked on merit. Who's cringing now?
Sad for those boys, they were in over their heads and unfortunately exposed in front of all those college coaches.
Is there a summary writeup of the game somewhere? I'd like to see who was highlighted from both Nassau and Suffolk.
Quick Breakdown: Suffolk dominated the game, only reason it was close in first half was that Nassau was man up 6-10 times, lost count. Final score not indicative of actual game as Nassau scored a few in garbage time.
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Are you the same bully coming back again -
A main reason Suffolk dominated was that their face-off man was unstoppable!!
Here is the summary but you might have to pay to view it
:http://www.laxlessons.com/2014/06/22/lacrosse-insider-long-island-showcase-rising-sophomore-review/
Nobody wants to talk about Crabfeast?
Yes, thank goodness it seems as though it won't be as hot and humid as two years ago when we were at Young Guns.
A lot of great teams. Can't wait to see how everyone does.
Nobody wants to talk about Crabfeast?
What is there to say? Lots of good teams and good players, but talk is cheap. Let's see who does well. It will be a good event.
Rising sophs showcase score: Suffolk crushes Nassau 18-7. Nice job Nassau coaches with your selections. Ball don't lie. Left off top kids and you got what you deserved. Should've picked on merit. Who's cringing now?
Sad for those boys, they were in over their heads and unfortunately exposed in front of all those college coaches.
Is there a summary writeup of the game somewhere? I'd like to see who was highlighted from both Nassau and Suffolk.
Quick Breakdown: Suffolk dominated the game, only reason it was close in first half was that Nassau was man up 6-10 times, lost count. Final score not indicative of actual game as Nassau scored a few in garbage time.
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Are you the same bully coming back again -
A main reason Suffolk dominated was that their face-off man was unstoppable!!
Here is the summary but you might have to pay to view it
:http://www.laxlessons.com/2014/06/22/lacrosse-insider-long-island-showcase-rising-sophomore-review/
Rising sophs showcase score: Suffolk crushes Nassau 18-7. Nice job Nassau coaches with your selections. Ball don't lie. Left off top kids and you got what you deserved. Should've picked on merit. Who's cringing now?
Sad for those boys, they were in over their heads and unfortunately exposed in front of all those college coaches.
Is there a summary writeup of the game somewhere? I'd like to see who was highlighted from both Nassau and Suffolk.
Quick Breakdown: Suffolk dominated the game, only reason it was close in first half was that Nassau was man up 6-10 times, lost count. Final score not indicative of actual game as Nassau scored a few in garbage time.
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Are you the same bully coming back again -
A main reason Suffolk dominated was that their face-off man was unstoppable!!
Here is the summary but you might have to pay to view it
:http://www.laxlessons.com/2014/06/22/lacrosse-insider-long-island-showcase-rising-sophomore-review/
Bully?? Someone asked for a recap. I was there, the box score nor the final score is not indicative of the game. It was 18-4 with a few minutes left. 18! The game wasn't close Nassau had plenty of opportunities but turned the ball over. How many man ups do you want?
Rising sophs showcase score: Suffolk crushes Nassau 18-7. Nice job Nassau coaches with your selections. Ball don't lie. Left off top kids and you got what you deserved. Should've picked on merit. Who's cringing now?
Sad for those boys, they were in over their heads and unfortunately exposed in front of all those college coaches.
Is there a summary writeup of the game somewhere? I'd like to see who was highlighted from both Nassau and Suffolk.
Quick Breakdown: Suffolk dominated the game, only reason it was close in first half was that Nassau was man up 6-10 times, lost count. Final score not indicative of actual game as Nassau scored a few in garbage time.
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Are you the same bully coming back again -
A main reason Suffolk dominated was that their face-off man was unstoppable!!
Here is the summary but you might have to pay to view it
:http://www.laxlessons.com/2014/06/22/lacrosse-insider-long-island-showcase-rising-sophomore-review/
I'm not a bully (I didn't write the past post) but, it was definitely MUCH more than the TWO faceoff MEN that were the reason for Suffolk's dominance. Sorry!
Rising sophs showcase score: Suffolk crushes Nassau 18-7. Nice job Nassau coaches with your selections. Ball don't lie. Left off top kids and you got what you deserved. Should've picked on merit. Who's cringing now?
Sad for those boys, they were in over their heads and unfortunately exposed in front of all those college coaches.
Is there a summary writeup of the game somewhere? I'd like to see who was highlighted from both Nassau and Suffolk.
Quick Breakdown: Suffolk dominated the game, only reason it was close in first half was that Nassau was man up 6-10 times, lost count. Final score not indicative of actual game as Nassau scored a few in garbage time.
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Are you the same bully coming back again -
A main reason Suffolk dominated was that their face-off man was unstoppable!!
Here is the summary but you might have to pay to view it
:http://www.laxlessons.com/2014/06/22/lacrosse-insider-long-island-showcase-rising-sophomore-review/
I'm not a bully (I didn't write the past post) but, it was definitely MUCH more than the TWO faceoff MEN that were the reason for Suffolk's dominance. Sorry!
and the 5 offensive players from the same school. Nassau was under prepared. Even day of showcase, Suffolk was dressed and warming up over an hour before, Nassau was in locker room at 7:30pm. Looked like a different approach. Whatever, it's done. All the kids will be fine-
Enough already. Who cares about a public school only game. Everyone knows the good players come from private schools!!
Enough already. Who cares about a public school only game. Everyone knows the good players come from private schools!!
Is that why they lose to little public schools?
True-
You can easily make an argument that 2017 Chaminade freshman team plus would beat the nassau suffolk all star team straight up...
if you added just the starting Anthony's middies... you would have a blow out
Enough already. Who cares about a public school only game. Everyone knows the good players come from private schools!!
Is that why they lose to little public schools?
Yorktown or Darien ring a bell?
Yes you are right all the Nassau boys will be going D3.LOL
Nothing wrong with D3. Much better schools! That's what matters anyway
Yes you are right all the Nassau boys will be going D3.LOL
Well at least three of them will not be going d3 with the syosset player committed to pen state and the two boys from locust valley committed to St. John's. Why is everyone so invested where these kids end up? Who cares? Good for any student athlete who gets to play in college at any level in their loved sport.
Yes you are right all the Nassau boys will be going D3.LOL
Well at least three of them will not be going d3 with the syosset player committed to pen state and the two boys from locust valley committed to St. John's. Why is everyone so invested where these kids end up? Who cares? Good for any student athlete who gets to play in college at any level in their loved sport.
I missed the games and am not going to pay for Lax lesson. Who were the impact players from Suffolk. Who were the impact players from Nassau. if you cannot name the boys can you list the school they attend.
Were most of these boys on their teams varsity programs or were they on JV last year. Can they attribute their success to their town programs, to a travel program or natural athletic talent.
Can this give a good indication who the better schools would be in the years to come?
Yes you are right all the Nassau boys will be going D3.LOL
Well at least three of them will not be going d3 with the syosset player committed to pen state and the two boys from locust valley committed to St. John's. Why is everyone so invested where these kids end up? Who cares? Good for any student athlete who gets to play in college at any level in their loved sport.
Those are 2016 boys. This is a 2017 forum.
Yes you are right all the Nassau boys will be going D3.LOL
and your son aspires to play in the MLL.
add LOL
Yes you are right all the Nassau boys will be going D3.LOL
and your son aspires to play in the MLL.
add LOL
Yes, they will live with their parents and play in the MLL. And that MLL team will be owned by a guy who went to Tufts or Williams College and played D3 lacrosse but got a great education, started his own company and made a great success of it. But being a lax bro is awesome too.
is there a list of players on the brine 2017
Yes you are right all the Nassau boys will be going D3.LOL
Well at least three of them will not be going d3 with the syosset player committed to pen state and the two boys from locust valley committed to St. John's. Why is everyone so invested where these kids end up? Who cares? Good for any student athlete who gets to play in college at any level in their loved sport.
Those are 2016 boys. This is a 2017 forum.
You are correct but the original post was about the rising sophmore game. A HS Sophmore would be a 2016 so why didnt you give the same response the first time it was mentioned?
Yes- the brine Long Island team has been released
Boys committing like crazy. We will see the first 2018 soon.
Crab Feast Results- The Top 2017 Tournament, bar none of the summer
Turtles 3-0
Outlaws 2-1
Team 91 2-1
All Advance to 10 Team Playoff on Sun
Express terps 0-3
Crab Feast Results- The Top 2017 Tournament, bar none of the summer
Turtles 3-0
Outlaws 2-1
Team 91 2-1
All Advance to 10 Team Playoff on Sun
Express terps 0-3
91 Did not make Playoff
They are in the 2nd Place Team bracket today
Stone east freshman to Harvard
[lacrosse] east fo forgo to Harvard
Crab Feast Results- The Top 2017 Tournament, bar none of the summer
Turtles 3-0
Outlaws 2-1
Team 91 2-1
All Advance to 10 Team Playoff on Sun
Express terps 0-3
Why do you say it was the Top 2017 Tournament of the summer? Quality of teams? College coaches in attendance? Isn't the latter what 2017 tourneys are all about?
Crab Feast Results- The Top 2017 Tournament, bar none of the summer
Turtles 3-0
Outlaws 2-1
Team 91 2-1
All Advance to 10 Team Playoff on Sun
Express terps 0-3
Why do you say it was the Top 2017 Tournament of the summer? Quality of teams? College coaches in attendance? Isn't the latter what 2017 tourneys are all about?
Top quality and all the coaches were there.
Good showing from the Turtles, and surprisingly the Outlaws. How did they get so good?
The Outlaws were in one of the easiest brackets.
The Express Terps went 1-4, only managing to beat the worst team in the tournament. I have never seen such a bad Express team.
NXT and the Breakers are "easy" - I think not. Also 91 was in the losers bracket. Check the web app. Just sayin.
Turtle Nation rocked it.
The Outlaws were in one of the easiest brackets.
The Express Terps went 1-4, only managing to beat the worst team in the tournament. I have never seen such a bad Express team.
Wrong On Outlaws Bracket- Nice try 91 parent
hey news, 2017 outlaws are better then your 91 Team
They have added great kids and are coached very well.
The Outlaws were in one of the easiest brackets.
The Express Terps went 1-4, only managing to beat the worst team in the tournament. I have never seen such a bad Express team.
Wrong On Outlaws Bracket- Nice try 91 parent
hey news, 2017 outlaws are better then your 91 Team
They have added great kids and are coached very well.
Outlaws 2017 are very good. I watched them beat True Blue 2017 at JDRF.
only team your team defeated, lost to the turtles by 20 goals. time to go to camp North Star. (Meatballs) reference.
First off, Crabfeast is still a wonderful if not one of the elite best tournaments and the undisputed best 2017 team of them all won it. That said, two things I heard and was thinking myself and led me to wonder if Crabfeast is already declining and will further decline. First let's face it, there were 3-4 great teams there and another 10 good teams there and then 25 glorified rec teams there. Why no WCS, no Denver Elite, no FCA National and no 3d National or better regional teams? Another point is Ryan McLernan really needs to temper the home cooking a bit before people stop coming. His club is in a bracket with Bulldog, Booth and True. Cupcake city. At least 4 other brackets had two strong teams in them. It is arbitrary what good teams to put together in the brackets, so give him a hall pass there but then on the second day the brackets were pretty horrible. Edge, Dukes, Patriot and Turtles on one side and Crabs get to feast on Thunder and Sweetlax to the final. That is a joke.
Yes, a lot of coaches were there. But much fewer than in prior years. Yes, great teams there and the best team nationally won. But some great teams - not good teams great teams - not coming anymore. Yes, good teams after the great teams. But not as many of those as in prior years. And there were at least 20 crappy teams there that frankly should have been at some Trilogy or whatever event. Our team was one of the good - not great - teams in the consolation round. It was a real bummer to play some bracket and next day games against teams that can't catch or throw with both hands or play what looks like lacrosse as rising 10th graders. Our team could have earned better looks by beating the one other team in our bracket, but since we did not we played games so horrid looking no college coach could stand to watch. The coaches were actually reading their smartphones most of the time we played against crappy teams Saturday and Sunday and I don't blame them.
Thoughts anyone?
I think there are just to many tournaments. They are all watered down. They really need to set up a tier system. you can literally play for the championship of the world every weekend. Any way we had a lot of fun.
The Outlaws were in one of the easiest brackets.
The Express Terps went 1-4, only managing to beat the worst team in the tournament. I have never seen such a bad Express team.
Wrong On Outlaws Bracket- Nice try 91 parent
hey news, 2017 outlaws are better then your 91 Team
They have added great kids and are coached very well.
91 and Outlaws have not played each other, and we do not know how they would match up.
Some common opponents:
Outlaws beat NXT by 3, 91 lost to NXT by 3.
Outlaws beat BBL by 3, who beat laxachussetts by 6. 91 lost to laxachussets.
They are both competitive teams nationally. Outlaws have had a better summer.
Outlaws also in close game with Patriot who played Turtles 7-5.
Good weekend for Outlaws.
First off, Crabfeast is still a wonderful if not one of the elite best tournaments and the undisputed best 2017 team of them all won it. That said, two things I heard and was thinking myself and led me to wonder if Crabfeast is already declining and will further decline. First let's face it, there were 3-4 great teams there and another 10 good teams there and then 25 glorified rec teams there. Why no WCS, no Denver Elite, no FCA National and no 3d National or better regional teams? Another point is Ryan McLernan really needs to temper the home cooking a bit before people stop coming. His club is in a bracket with Bulldog, Booth and True. Cupcake city. At least 4 other brackets had two strong teams in them. It is arbitrary what good teams to put together in the brackets, so give him a hall pass there but then on the second day the brackets were pretty horrible. Edge, Dukes, Patriot and Turtles on one side and Crabs get to feast on Thunder and Sweetlax to the final. That is a joke.
Thoughts anyone?
You are an idiot. The seeding for the playoffs was due to goal differential and other criteria, not an arbitrary "these teams on one side, the other teams on the other side".
Think express kids need to do more celebrity clinics
First off, Crabfeast is still a wonderful if not one of the elite best tournaments and the undisputed best 2017 team of them all won it. That said, two things I heard and was thinking myself and led me to wonder if Crabfeast is already declining and will further decline. First let's face it, there were 3-4 great teams there and another 10 good teams there and then 25 glorified rec teams there. Why no WCS, no Denver Elite, no FCA National and no 3d National or better regional teams? Another point is Ryan McLernan really needs to temper the home cooking a bit before people stop coming. His club is in a bracket with Bulldog, Booth and True. Cupcake city. At least 4 other brackets had two strong teams in them. It is arbitrary what good teams to put together in the brackets, so give him a hall pass there but then on the second day the brackets were pretty horrible. Edge, Dukes, Patriot and Turtles on one side and Crabs get to feast on Thunder and Sweetlax to the final. That is a joke.
Thoughts anyone?
You are an idiot. The seeding for the playoffs was due to goal differential and other criteria, not an arbitrary "these teams on one side, the other teams on the other side".
Not idiotic. You missed the point. Ryan puts Dukes, Patriot, Edge all in brackets with one team that could play. NXT, Outlaws and Breakers are three good / not great teams in same bracket. In a tournament with 20+ rec level teams, how do three decent teams wind up in the same four team bracket out of ten brackets. Then Mesa Fresh, Crabs and Turtles go in with three rec teams. Of course the seedings will have those three top seeds. Friggin Madlax or Breakers could have gone 3-0 with 40+ goals for and 7 against if swapped in brackets with Crabs and gotten a bye. You think Madlax or Breakers were one of the great teams? Turtles didn't need the help. Crabs and Mesa Fresh are teams that would not have sniffed the semis or final if the brackets were equitable. Get a little real Crabs Dad.
Boys committing like crazy. We will see the first 2018 soon.
relax 2018 parent, little Johnny is not committing anytime soon. The majority of the kids you see committing at the moment represent the best of the 2017 class and it is still relatively a small number of kids. The 2017 commits will start really revving up during the fall and next summer. Lets calm down a little.
Boys committing like crazy. We will see the first 2018 soon.
relax 2018 parent, little Johnny is not committing anytime soon. The majority of the kids you see committing at the moment represent the best of the 2017 class and it is still relatively a small number of kids. The 2017 commits will start really revving up during the fall and next summer. Lets calm down a little.
I would not put it past UNC or UVa to commit a kid before first day of high school. Last year Breschi did it in September for a 2017, so we are really picking at the nit as to whether someone pushes it weeks or a month earlier than that. Maybe Breschi and Starsia consider it their competitive advantage. If you look closely, the earlier and earlier lunacy is limited to a recruiting rivalry between UNC, UVa and Hopkins. I find it interesting that all three are very good academic schools and the admissions directors have not spoken up against it. At bottom if I were are JHU alum I would be disgusted to have a degree from a world class university pulling this crap for a lacrosse team.
First off, Crabfeast is still a wonderful if not one of the elite best tournaments and the undisputed best 2017 team of them all won it. That said, two things I heard and was thinking myself and led me to wonder if Crabfeast is already declining and will further decline. First let's face it, there were 3-4 great teams there and another 10 good teams there and then 25 glorified rec teams there. Why no WCS, no Denver Elite, no FCA National and no 3d National or better regional teams? Another point is Ryan McLernan really needs to temper the home cooking a bit before people stop coming. His club is in a bracket with Bulldog, Booth and True. Cupcake city. At least 4 other brackets had two strong teams in them. It is arbitrary what good teams to put together in the brackets, so give him a hall pass there but then on the second day the brackets were pretty horrible. Edge, Dukes, Patriot and Turtles on one side and Crabs get to feast on Thunder and Sweetlax to the final. That is a joke.
Thoughts anyone?
You are an idiot. The seeding for the playoffs was due to goal differential and other criteria, not an arbitrary "these teams on one side, the other teams on the other side".
Not idiotic. You missed the point. Ryan puts Dukes, Patriot, Edge all in brackets with one team that could play. NXT, Outlaws and Breakers are three good / not great teams in same bracket. In a tournament with 20+ rec level teams, how do three decent teams wind up in the same four team bracket out of ten brackets. Then Mesa Fresh, Crabs and Turtles go in with three rec teams. Of course the seedings will have those three top seeds. Friggin Madlax or Breakers could have gone 3-0 with 40+ goals for and 7 against if swapped in brackets with Crabs and gotten a bye. You think Madlax or Breakers were one of the great teams? Turtles didn't need the help. Crabs and Mesa Fresh are teams that would not have sniffed the semis or final if the brackets were equitable. Get a little real Crabs Dad.
McLernan can't hear your complaints, he's got wads of $100 bills stuffed in his ears from you suckers that pay the high price for his tournaments...And don't call Breakers weak
For anyone that thinks age isn't a factor in this sport, go take a look at the Under Armour 2017 Uncommitted teams. A large majority of them are 1998 Birthdays and many of them have 1997 birthdays. So lets hear the Maryland and PA parents come on here and tell us it doesn't make a difference. What an absolute farce
Thoughts anyone?[/quote]
You are an idiot. The seeding for the playoffs was due to goal differential and other criteria, not an arbitrary "these teams on one side, the other teams on the other side".
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Nice post, Ryan.
Boys committing like crazy. We will see the first 2018 soon.
relax 2018 parent, little Johnny is not committing anytime soon. The majority of the kids you see committing at the moment represent the best of the 2017 class and it is still relatively a small number of kids. The 2017 commits will start really revving up during the fall and next summer. Lets calm down a little.
I would not put it past UNC or UVa to commit a kid before first day of high school. Last year Breschi did it in September for a 2017, so we are really picking at the nit as to whether someone pushes it weeks or a month earlier than that. Maybe Breschi and Starsia consider it their competitive advantage. If you look closely, the earlier and earlier lunacy is limited to a recruiting rivalry between UNC, UVa and Hopkins. I find it interesting that all three are very good academic schools and the admissions directors have not spoken up against it. At bottom if I were are JHU alum I would be disgusted to have a degree from a world class university pulling this crap for a lacrosse team.
You do realize there are some rising Sophomores that are not only advanced on the field but in the classroom as well. It is not uncommon that a player has completed their NYS Math and Science requirements entering into their 2nd year of HS. Some of these students could have also taken a Bio SAT. Not sure if these are the same kids but it is possible.
To your Alum comment, I would take a 90 avg Student elite athlete (as above) over a 97 student only. I think the alum would be proud of such a recruit.
Boys committing like crazy. We will see the first 2018 soon.
relax 2018 parent, little Johnny is not committing anytime soon. The majority of the kids you see committing at the moment represent the best of the 2017 class and it is still relatively a small number of kids. The 2017 commits will start really revving up during the fall and next summer. Lets calm down a little.
I would not put it past UNC or UVa to commit a kid before first day of high school. Last year Breschi did it in September for a 2017, so we are really picking at the nit as to whether someone pushes it weeks or a month earlier than that. Maybe Breschi and Starsia consider it their competitive advantage. If you look closely, the earlier and earlier lunacy is limited to a recruiting rivalry between UNC, UVa and Hopkins. I find it interesting that all three are very good academic schools and the admissions directors have not spoken up against it. At bottom if I were are JHU alum I would be disgusted to have a degree from a world class university pulling this crap for a lacrosse team.
You do realize there are some rising Sophomores that are not only advanced on the field but in the classroom as well. It is not uncommon that a player has completed their NYS Math and Science requirements entering into their 2nd year of HS. Some of these students could have also taken a Bio SAT. Not sure if these are the same kids but it is possible.
To your Alum comment, I would take a 90 avg Student elite athlete (as above) over a 97 student only. I think the alum would be proud of such a recruit.
I think you missed the mark. The above is making reference to kids committing before high school or very early in Fall of freshman year. No grades, no scores. Let a kid get his 90 in a high school classroom for at least a year and put up a PSAT score at a minimum. As a UVa alum who'd like to believe UVa is a great school, I think it is disgraceful and an embarrassment to the institution to waive in children.
Boys committing like crazy. We will see the first 2018 soon.
relax 2018 parent, little Johnny is not committing anytime soon. The majority of the kids you see committing at the moment represent the best of the 2017 class and it is still relatively a small number of kids. The 2017 commits will start really revving up during the fall and next summer. Lets calm down a little.
I would not put it past UNC or UVa to commit a kid before first day of high school. Last year Breschi did it in September for a 2017, so we are really picking at the nit as to whether someone pushes it weeks or a month earlier than that. Maybe Breschi and Starsia consider it their competitive advantage. If you look closely, the earlier and earlier lunacy is limited to a recruiting rivalry between UNC, UVa and Hopkins. I find it interesting that all three are very good academic schools and the admissions directors have not spoken up against it. At bottom if I were are JHU alum I would be disgusted to have a degree from a world class university pulling this crap for a lacrosse team.
You do realize there are some rising Sophomores that are not only advanced on the field but in the classroom as well. It is not uncommon that a player has completed their NYS Math and Science requirements entering into their 2nd year of HS. Some of these students could have also taken a Bio SAT. Not sure if these are the same kids but it is possible.
To your Alum comment, I would take a 90 avg Student elite athlete (as above) over a 97 student only. I think the alum would be proud of such a recruit.
That last comment is really too much....If you think 90 average athletes rule the world you have spent too much time on this site.
You do realize there are some rising Sophomores that are not only advanced on the field but in the classroom as well. It is not uncommon that a player has completed their NYS Math and Science requirements entering into their 2nd year of HS. Some of these students could have also taken a Bio SAT. Not sure if these are the same kids but it is possible.
To your Alum comment, I would take a 90 avg Student elite athlete (as above) over a 97 student only. I think the alum would be proud of such a recruit. [/quote]
We all realize there are exceptional and gifted kids in New [lacrosse]. I am a lacrosse mom with a medical degree from JHU. My husband has an undergraduate degree from JHU. I think it is a disgrace to admit kids as rising high school freshman or freshman without grades and scores. JHU is a world class research university. If a kid has a special talent like lacrosse, that is fine but no kids should get a pass from meeting basic requirements. There is always Towson State for that.
Boys committing like crazy. We will see the first 2018 soon.
relax 2018 parent, little Johnny is not committing anytime soon. The majority of the kids you see committing at the moment represent the best of the 2017 class and it is still relatively a small number of kids. The 2017 commits will start really revving up during the fall and next summer. Lets calm down a little.
I would not put it past UNC or UVa to commit a kid before first day of high school. Last year Breschi did it in September for a 2017, so we are really picking at the nit as to whether someone pushes it weeks or a month earlier than that. Maybe Breschi and Starsia consider it their competitive advantage. If you look closely, the earlier and earlier lunacy is limited to a recruiting rivalry between UNC, UVa and Hopkins. I find it interesting that all three are very good academic schools and the admissions directors have not spoken up against it. At bottom if I were are JHU alum I would be disgusted to have a degree from a world class university pulling this crap for a lacrosse team.
You do realize there are some rising Sophomores that are not only advanced on the field but in the classroom as well. It is not uncommon that a player has completed their NYS Math and Science requirements entering into their 2nd year of HS. Some of these students could have also taken a Bio SAT. Not sure if these are the same kids but it is possible.
To your Alum comment, I would take a 90 avg Student elite athlete (as above) over a 97 student only. I think the alum would be proud of such a recruit.
I think you missed the mark. The above is making reference to kids committing before high school or very early in Fall of freshman year. No grades, no scores. Let a kid get his 90 in a high school classroom for at least a year and put up a PSAT score at a minimum. As a UVa alum who'd like to believe UVa is a great school, I think it is disgraceful and an embarrassment to the institution to waive in children.
For that UVA ALUM - there is a light at the end of the tunnel. It's just a train that will run you over!
Boys committing like crazy. We will see the first 2018 soon.
relax 2018 parent, little Johnny is not committing anytime soon. The majority of the kids you see committing at the moment represent the best of the 2017 class and it is still relatively a small number of kids. The 2017 commits will start really revving up during the fall and next summer. Lets calm down a little.
I would not put it past UNC or UVa to commit a kid before first day of high school. Last year Breschi did it in September for a 2017, so we are really picking at the nit as to whether someone pushes it weeks or a month earlier than that. Maybe Breschi and Starsia consider it their competitive advantage. If you look closely, the earlier and earlier lunacy is limited to a recruiting rivalry between UNC, UVa and Hopkins. I find it interesting that all three are very good academic schools and the admissions directors have not spoken up against it. At bottom if I were are JHU alum I would be disgusted to have a degree from a world class university pulling this crap for a lacrosse team.
You do realize there are some rising Sophomores that are not only advanced on the field but in the classroom as well. It is not uncommon that a player has completed their NYS Math and Science requirements entering into their 2nd year of HS. Some of these students could have also taken a Bio SAT. Not sure if these are the same kids but it is possible.
To your Alum comment, I would take a 90 avg Student elite athlete (as above) over a 97 student only. I think the alum would be proud of such a recruit.
That last comment is really too much....If you think 90 average athletes rule the world you have spent too much time on this site.
I think you are too much. 90 avg ELITE athletes do contribute the world. They have much on their plate and still are able to balance the work load. Many of these student are in those AP and advanced courses with those 97 avgs.
Has anyone actually looked at the pools for Crabfeast? Why the complaints? One national or top team, one very good or regional team, and the rest are mostly good "local" teams. Hardly "glorified rec" teams except for the one that lost to Turtles by 20. Tourney gave many teams a shot at the reigning great teams. Great teams came through with the best 2017 coming out on top. Teams were seeded 1-10 based on record and goals against then other criteria including head to head. To say that Crabs head set up the bracket his way is probably giving him way too much credit. If Mesa did not fall asleep in their last game and give up 3 quick goals, they would have been 2nd seed opposite the turtles and this whole comment would be moot as Crabs would have been same side as Turtles. After day 1, Turtles, Crabs, Mesa, Dukes, Building Blocks, and Edge were 3-0. Son's team one of the good but not great teams and it was fun to play others outside of the usual MD/NY matchups.
For anyone that thinks age isn't a factor in this sport, go take a look at the Under Armour 2017 Uncommitted teams. A large majority of them are 1998 Birthdays and many of them have 1997 birthdays. So lets hear the Maryland and PA parents come on here and tell us it doesn't make a difference. What an absolute farce
I did take a look at the roster and I wouldn't create hysteria over it. Yes, there are some early '98 birthdays and even a couple of '97's, but 3/4 of the roster are on-age. This might not be enough for the on-age fans, but it's hardly a disadvantage to be a true 2017.
Boys committing like crazy. We will see the first 2018 soon.
relax 2018 parent, little Johnny is not committing anytime soon. The majority of the kids you see committing at the moment represent the best of the 2017 class and it is still relatively a small number of kids. The 2017 commits will start really revving up during the fall and next summer. Lets calm down a little.
I would not put it past UNC or UVa to commit a kid before first day of high school. Last year Breschi did it in September for a 2017, so we are really picking at the nit as to whether someone pushes it weeks or a month earlier than that. Maybe Breschi and Starsia consider it their competitive advantage. If you look closely, the earlier and earlier lunacy is limited to a recruiting rivalry between UNC, UVa and Hopkins. I find it interesting that all three are very good academic schools and the admissions directors have not spoken up against it. At bottom if I were are JHU alum I would be disgusted to have a degree from a world class university pulling this crap for a lacrosse team.
You do realize there are some rising Sophomores that are not only advanced on the field but in the classroom as well. It is not uncommon that a player has completed their NYS Math and Science requirements entering into their 2nd year of HS. Some of these students could have also taken a Bio SAT. Not sure if these are the same kids but it is possible.
To your Alum comment, I would take a 90 avg Student elite athlete (as above) over a 97 student only. I think the alum would be proud of such a recruit.
That last comment is really too much....If you think 90 average athletes rule the world you have spent too much time on this site.
I think you are too much. 90 avg ELITE athletes do contribute the world. They have much on their plate and still are able to balance the work load. Many of these student are in those AP and advanced courses with those 97 avgs.
And C+ students run the world... A students are the professors that teach B students to work for the C student. He was bored with school, barely graduated and created the company. Most highly successful Entrepreneurs are C students and many never graduated. Sorry.
Crab Feast Results- The Top 2017 Tournament, bar none of the summer
Turtles 3-0
Outlaws 2-1
Team 91 2-1
All Advance to 10 Team Playoff on Sun
Express terps 0-3
Why do you say it was the Top 2017 Tournament of the summer? Quality of teams? College coaches in attendance? Isn't the latter what 2017 tourneys are all about?
Top quality and all the coaches were there.
Good showing from the Turtles, and surprisingly the Outlaws. How did they get so good?
How many Ward Melville kids are playing on the Outlaws Team?
Has anyone actually looked at the pools for Crabfeast? Why the complaints? One national or top team, one very good or regional team, and the rest are mostly good "local" teams. Hardly "glorified rec" teams except for the one that lost to Turtles by 20. Tourney gave many teams a shot at the reigning great teams. Great teams came through with the best 2017 coming out on top. Teams were seeded 1-10 based on record and goals against then other criteria including head to head. To say that Crabs head set up the bracket his way is probably giving him way too much credit. If Mesa did not fall asleep in their last game and give up 3 quick goals, they would have been 2nd seed opposite the turtles and this whole comment would be moot as Crabs would have been same side as Turtles. After day 1, Turtles, Crabs, Mesa, Dukes, Building Blocks, and Edge were 3-0. Son's team one of the good but not great teams and it was fun to play others outside of the usual MD/NY matchups.
Fact is the two best teams played in the championship, Crabs vs Turtles. Classic MD vs LI and Turtles (LI) win it. Great job by both teams to reach this final game with 40 teams in the Crabfeast.
Very hard to disagree that the Turtles are the #1 2017 team in the land. Undefeated at Adrenaline Platinum Cup & undefeated at Crabfeast.
Has anyone actually looked at the pools for Crabfeast? Why the complaints? One national or top team, one very good or regional team, and the rest are mostly good "local" teams. Hardly "glorified rec" teams except for the one that lost to Turtles by 20. Tourney gave many teams a shot at the reigning great teams. Great teams came through with the best 2017 coming out on top. Teams were seeded 1-10 based on record and goals against then other criteria including head to head. To say that Crabs head set up the bracket his way is probably giving him way too much credit. If Mesa did not fall asleep in their last game and give up 3 quick goals, they would have been 2nd seed opposite the turtles and this whole comment would be moot as Crabs would have been same side as Turtles. After day 1, Turtles, Crabs, Mesa, Dukes, Building Blocks, and Edge were 3-0. Son's team one of the good but not great teams and it was fun to play others outside of the usual MD/NY matchups.
Fact is the two best teams played in the championship, Crabs vs Turtles. Classic MD vs LI and Turtles (LI) win it. Great job by both teams to reach this final game with 40 teams in the Crabfeast.
Very hard to disagree that the Turtles are the #1 2017 team in the land. Undefeated at Adrenaline Platinum Cup & undefeated at Crabfeast.
Is it true turtles have 10 division 1 commits already?
Boys committing like crazy. We will see the first 2018 soon.
relax 2018 parent, little Johnny is not committing anytime soon. The majority of the kids you see committing at the moment represent the best of the 2017 class and it is still relatively a small number of kids. The 2017 commits will start really revving up during the fall and next summer. Lets calm down a little.
I would not put it past UNC or UVa to commit a kid before first day of high school. Last year Breschi did it in September for a 2017, so we are really picking at the nit as to whether someone pushes it weeks or a month earlier than that. Maybe Breschi and Starsia consider it their competitive advantage. If you look closely, the earlier and earlier lunacy is limited to a recruiting rivalry between UNC, UVa and Hopkins. I find it interesting that all three are very good academic schools and the admissions directors have not spoken up against it. At bottom if I were are JHU alum I would be disgusted to have a degree from a world class university pulling this crap for a lacrosse team.
You do realize there are some rising Sophomores that are not only advanced on the field but in the classroom as well. It is not uncommon that a player has completed their NYS Math and Science requirements entering into their 2nd year of HS. Some of these students could have also taken a Bio SAT. Not sure if these are the same kids but it is possible.
To your Alum comment, I would take a 90 avg Student elite athlete (as above) over a 97 student only. I think the alum would be proud of such a recruit.
You do realize that that entering your sophomore year in high school it is impossible to complete your three years of regents required math classes. At best a sophomore would be in the third math regents class. So your statement carries no weight at all.
Boys committing like crazy. We will see the first 2018 soon.
relax 2018 parent, little Johnny is not committing anytime soon. The majority of the kids you see committing at the moment represent the best of the 2017 class and it is still relatively a small number of kids. The 2017 commits will start really revving up during the fall and next summer. Lets calm down a little.
I would not put it past UNC or UVa to commit a kid before first day of high school. Last year Breschi did it in September for a 2017, so we are really picking at the nit as to whether someone pushes it weeks or a month earlier than that. Maybe Breschi and Starsia consider it their competitive advantage. If you look closely, the earlier and earlier lunacy is limited to a recruiting rivalry between UNC, UVa and Hopkins. I find it interesting that all three are very good academic schools and the admissions directors have not spoken up against it. At bottom if I were are JHU alum I would be disgusted to have a degree from a world class university pulling this crap for a lacrosse team.
You do realize there are some rising Sophomores that are not only advanced on the field but in the classroom as well. It is not uncommon that a player has completed their NYS Math and Science requirements entering into their 2nd year of HS. Some of these students could have also taken a Bio SAT. Not sure if these are the same kids but it is possible.
To your Alum comment, I would take a 90 avg Student elite athlete (as above) over a 97 student only. I think the alum would be proud of such a recruit.
You do realize that that entering your sophomore year in high school it is impossible to complete your three years of regents required math classes. At best a sophomore would be in the third math regents class. So your statement carries no weight at all.
Because youre not one of them or know who has accomplished this please dont spew your opinion as fact. Many students take integrated algebra in 7th. This allows them to complete their regents requirement at the end of freshman year. These same students know which schools they have as their top 3.
Uva is not on the list but hopkins and cornell are.
For anyone that thinks age isn't a factor in this sport, go take a look at the Under Armour 2017 Uncommitted teams. A large majority of them are 1998 Birthdays and many of them have 1997 birthdays. So lets hear the Maryland and PA parents come on here and tell us it doesn't make a difference. What an absolute farce
I did take a look at the roster and I wouldn't create hysteria over it. Yes, there are some early '98 birthdays and even a couple of '97's, but 3/4 of the roster are on-age. This might not be enough for the on-age fans, but it's hardly a disadvantage to be a true 2017.
There are 2 2017 uncommitted teams with a total of 48 kids. There are at least 26 kids with 1998 or 1997 birthdays on the rosters. So I don't know where you went to school but how is that any where near 3/4 of the rosters being on age? So your statement of being a true 2017 not being a disadvantage is equally misleading. Only true 2017's should be allowed to tryout for a 2017 team, plain and simple. One of the kids on the roster has a June of 1997 birthday! That's not an advantage? He took the spot of a "true" 2017, end of discussion. Nice try though........
There are 2 2017 uncommitted teams with a total of 48 kids. There are at least 26 kids with 1998 or 1997 birthdays on the rosters. So I don't know where you went to school but how is that any where near 3/4 of the rosters being on age? So your statement of being a true 2017 not being a disadvantage is equally misleading. Only true 2017's should be allowed to tryout for a 2017 team, plain and simple. One of the kids on the roster has a June of 1997 birthday! That's not an advantage? He took the spot of a "true" 2017, end of discussion. Nice try though........ [/quote]
I have to believe that pretty soon lacrosse will wind up at what larger participation sports like soccer and hockey do...just make club play age level. U-9, U-11, U-13, U-15, U-17 and U-19. You can go to high school at a 16 year old freshman 2017, but in club ball you play U-17. If parents want their kids home until they are 21 graduating high school, go have at it. But the only field he can play at years older than his peers is high school season.
If all these "reclassified" kids who turned 16 as high school freshmen in Winter or Spring were playing U-17 ball this Summer, I'd wager we'd bee seeing a very different complexion of early recruiting. I am from Baltimore, and with rare exceptions of the local guys down the street at Hop or Loyola, coaches can't go out of zip code to watch high school lacrosse. And even if they are local they can't do much to watch HS ball because of their own season.
If a kid is really all that, and is lit it up as a reclassified 16 y.o. freshman at an MIAA school or a LI school then I say legit. I saw very very few examples of that in MD this Spring. If the evaluation is 16 y.o. lighting it up in 2017 club ball in Fall or Summer, then I say fraud.
I think a lot of the early recruiting drama with the parents on this thread and the early recruiting stupidity of the 2017s age advantage deltas on the field gets made if club ball was just straight up U-15 or U-17. My 2017 could be U-15 still by that and would look like a moose in a china shop. A lot of the preppy kids who are 16 would be getting smoked as undersized U-17s. Stick skills don't save 5'7 and 140 middies in this sport that has evolved a lot.
For anyone that thinks age isn't a factor in this sport, go take a look at the Under Armour 2017 Uncommitted teams. A large majority of them are 1998 Birthdays and many of them have 1997 birthdays. So lets hear the Maryland and PA parents come on here and tell us it doesn't make a difference. What an absolute farce
I did take a look at the roster and I wouldn't create hysteria over it. Yes, there are some early '98 birthdays and even a couple of '97's, but 3/4 of the roster are on-age. This might not be enough for the on-age fans, but it's hardly a disadvantage to be a true 2017.
There are 2 2017 uncommitted teams with a total of 48 kids. There are at least 26 kids with 1998 or 1997 birthdays on the rosters. So I don't know where you went to school but how is that any where near 3/4 of the rosters being on age? So your statement of being a true 2017 not being a disadvantage is equally misleading. Only true 2017's should be allowed to tryout for a 2017 team, plain and simple. One of the kids on the roster has a June of 1997 birthday! That's not an advantage? He took the spot of a "true" 2017, end of discussion. Nice try though........
The oldest 17 uncommitted plays for the Crabs, drove himself to Jake Reed Blue Chip...win at any cost, that's the Crab way...they put a good team on the field, granted a year or 2 older than the competition...boycott their camps, boycott their tournaments if it bothers you that much, if not, ignore it and live with it
For anyone that thinks age isn't a factor in this sport, go take a look at the Under Armour 2017 Uncommitted teams. A large majority of them are 1998 Birthdays and many of them have 1997 birthdays. So lets hear the Maryland and PA parents come on here and tell us it doesn't make a difference. What an absolute farce
I did take a look at the roster and I wouldn't create hysteria over it. Yes, there are some early '98 birthdays and even a couple of '97's, but 3/4 of the roster are on-age. This might not be enough for the on-age fans, but it's hardly a disadvantage to be a true 2017.
There are 2 2017 uncommitted teams with a total of 48 kids. There are at least 26 kids with 1998 or 1997 birthdays on the rosters. So I don't know where you went to school but how is that any where near 3/4 of the rosters being on age? So your statement of being a true 2017 not being a disadvantage is equally misleading. Only true 2017's should be allowed to tryout for a 2017 team, plain and simple. One of the kids on the roster has a June of 1997 birthday! That's not an advantage? He took the spot of a "true" 2017, end of discussion. Nice try though........
"I don't know where you went to school...." That's funny and immature.
You need to do the math better. Later 1998 birthdays are legitimate 2017's in many areas. So, again, 3/4 of the roster are on age.
Not denying that the early '98's and especially the '97's can get people like you all riled up, but the roster hardly reflects an unfair advantage. Just worry about your kid getting better and stronger. They'll be a better player for it.
So how is this for real math or couting:
DOB 1997 = 5
DOB 1998 = 20
DOB 1999 = 21
then there are 2 w/o DOB's.
DOB in 1998 in Dec = 5
DOB in 1998 in Nov = 2
So excluding the 2 w/o DOB's and including the Dec and Nov 1998, there would be 28 out of 46....pull your calculators out if you need to but still not 3/4. Plus there is one DOB 1997 kid(?)that lists his accolades as playing on the 2016 Laxachusets team last year and 2017 Laxachussetts team this year.
So how is this for real math or couting:
DOB 1997 = 5
DOB 1998 = 20
DOB 1999 = 21
then there are 2 w/o DOB's
DOB in 1998 in Dec = 5
DOB in 1998 in Nov = 2
So excluding the 2 w/o DOB's and including the Dec and Nov 1998, there would be 28 out of 46....pull your calculators out if you need to but still not 3/4. Plus there is one DOB 1997 kid(?)that lists his accolades as playing on the 2016 Laxachusets team last year and 2017 Laxachussetts team this year.
Don't you people have anything else to do?
So how is this for real math or couting:
DOB 1997 = 5
DOB 1998 = 20
DOB 1999 = 21
then there are 2 w/o DOB's
DOB in 1998 in Dec = 5
DOB in 1998 in Nov = 2
So excluding the 2 w/o DOB's and including the Dec and Nov 1998, there would be 28 out of 46....pull your calculators out if you need to but still not 3/4. Plus there is one DOB 1997 kid(?)that lists his accolades as playing on the 2016 Laxachusets team last year and 2017 Laxachussetts team this year.
Don't you people have anything else to do?
No, actually.
So, the calculator says 65% (thank God for that invention). Don't forget, on-age crusader, that you must also include September and October for on-age 2017 kids.
Sure, there may be some reclassed kids. You would know since you are really tackling this forensically. My 3/4 assessment was cursory, because really, this issue doesn't demand that kind of effort. However, no doubt most are kids who started school later, which is a worthy parental decision if your child is born close to the school cutoff date.
March on soldier.
So how is this for real math or couting:
DOB 1997 = 5
DOB 1998 = 20
DOB 1999 = 21
then there are 2 w/o DOB's
DOB in 1998 in Dec = 5
DOB in 1998 in Nov = 2
So excluding the 2 w/o DOB's and including the Dec and Nov 1998, there would be 28 out of 46....pull your calculators out if you need to but still not 3/4. Plus there is one DOB 1997 kid(?)that lists his accolades as playing on the 2016 Laxachusets team last year and 2017 Laxachussetts team this year.
Don't you people have anything else to do?
No, actually.
So, the calculator says 65% (thank God for that invention). Don't forget, on-age crusader, that you must also include September and October for on-age 2017 kids.
Sure, there may be some reclassed kids. You would know since you are really tackling this forensically. My 3/4 assessment was cursory, because really, this issue doesn't demand that kind of effort. However, no doubt most are kids who started school later, which is a worthy parental decision if your child is born close to the school cutoff date.
March on soldier.
I think you are completely missing the point. For example, there is one kid on the 2017 uncommitted roster who just turned 17 he is a full 2 years to almost 3 years older than most on age 2017's as you call them. Do you think maybe that helped him get a spot? Do you think he might have had an advantage at tryout time? He took a spot from a kid that was a legit 2017, that's the point. Im sure your cavalier attitude is most definitely due to the fact that your intimately familiar with this whole concept, so your child is one that is benefiting.
The kid who turned 17 couldn't figure out the
correct percentage either, hence his being a 17 year
old rising sophomore.
The 3/4 guy keeps saying that 3/4 are age appropriate. No matter how many times he says it or insults people that point out he is wrong, he is still wrong. My 2017 was born in October 1999 and is on a top club team and played varsity this year so yes, he played with and against older kids. I think the point is with these teams such as Under Armour is that the boys who are two years older should be embarrassed to be on a 2017 team when they are 17 or 16. 5 years old. Play with your age. Pretty simple concept unless you can't hang with your age on the filed.
So how is this for real math or couting:
DOB 1997 = 5
DOB 1998 = 20
DOB 1999 = 21
then there are 2 w/o DOB's
DOB in 1998 in Dec = 5
DOB in 1998 in Nov = 2
So excluding the 2 w/o DOB's and including the Dec and Nov 1998, there would be 28 out of 46....pull your calculators out if you need to but still not 3/4. Plus there is one DOB 1997 kid(?)that lists his accolades as playing on the 2016 Laxachusets team last year and 2017 Laxachussetts team this year.
Don't you people have anything else to do?
No, actually.
So, the calculator says 65% (thank God for that invention). Don't forget, on-age crusader, that you must also include September and October for on-age 2017 kids.
Sure, there may be some reclassed kids. You would know since you are really tackling this forensically. My 3/4 assessment was cursory, because really, this issue doesn't demand that kind of effort. However, no doubt most are kids who started school later, which is a worthy parental decision if your child is born close to the school cutoff date.
March on soldier.
I think you are completely missing the point. For example, there is one kid on the 2017 uncommitted roster who just turned 17 he is a full 2 years to almost 3 years older than most on age 2017's as you call them. Do you think maybe that helped him get a spot? Do you think he might have had an advantage at tryout time? He took a spot from a kid that was a legit 2017, that's the point. Im sure your cavalier attitude is most definitely due to the fact that your intimately familiar with this whole concept, so your child is one that is benefiting.
Let's be honest, there's a reason the kids that are born before the sept 1 US lacrosse cutoff are uncommitted. 17?? and uncommitted, news flash, your not that good. You can drop these kids back as far as you want, bottom line it will all catch up to them. what is an advantage today will dissipate in college, and the college coaches are keenly aware of that.
So how is this for real math or couting:
DOB 1997 = 5
DOB 1998 = 20
DOB 1999 = 21
then there are 2 w/o DOB's
DOB in 1998 in Dec = 5
DOB in 1998 in Nov = 2
So excluding the 2 w/o DOB's and including the Dec and Nov 1998, there would be 28 out of 46....pull your calculators out if you need to but still not 3/4. Plus there is one DOB 1997 kid(?)that lists his accolades as playing on the 2016 Laxachusets team last year and 2017 Laxachussetts team this year.
Don't you people have anything else to do?
No, actually.
So, the calculator says 65% (thank God for that invention). Don't forget, on-age crusader, that you must also include September and October for on-age 2017 kids.
Sure, there may be some reclassed kids. You would know since you are really tackling this forensically. My 3/4 assessment was cursory, because really, this issue doesn't demand that kind of effort. However, no doubt most are kids who started school later, which is a worthy parental decision if your child is born close to the school cutoff date.
March on soldier.
I think you are completely missing the point. For example, there is one kid on the 2017 uncommitted roster who just turned 17 he is a full 2 years to almost 3 years older than most on age 2017's as you call them. Do you think maybe that helped him get a spot? Do you think he might have had an advantage at tryout time? He took a spot from a kid that was a legit 2017, that's the point. Im sure your cavalier attitude is most definitely due to the fact that your intimately familiar with this whole concept, so your child is one that is benefiting.
Not at all denying that there are some age discrepancies, so to speak. I'm just suggesting that it's not as prevalent as originally portrayed. Believe it or not, I'm also critical of the reclass strategy for athletic reasons. We're on the same side of the fence. So, no, my son is not benefitting from a holdback and is, in fact, a summer '99 birthday.
My "cavalier" attitude simply comes from the fact that I make sure my son is smiling everyday he plays the game, and that he plays because he loves it. I teach him self respect, integrity and that hard work is the runway to achievement. From there it's up to him to train hard to achieve. We'll leave the system gaming to others. The cream does rise to the top.
So how is this for real math or couting:
DOB 1997 = 5
DOB 1998 = 20
DOB 1999 = 21
then there are 2 w/o DOB's
DOB in 1998 in Dec = 5
DOB in 1998 in Nov = 2
So excluding the 2 w/o DOB's and including the Dec and Nov 1998, there would be 28 out of 46....pull your calculators out if you need to but still not 3/4. Plus there is one DOB 1997 kid(?)that lists his accolades as playing on the 2016 Laxachusets team last year and 2017 Laxachussetts team this year.
Don't you people have anything else to do?
No, actually.
So, the calculator says 65% (thank God for that invention). Don't forget, on-age crusader, that you must also include September and October for on-age 2017 kids.
Sure, there may be some reclassed kids. You would know since you are really tackling this forensically. My 3/4 assessment was cursory, because really, this issue doesn't demand that kind of effort. However, no doubt most are kids who started school later, which is a worthy parental decision if your child is born close to the school cutoff date.
March on soldier.
I think you are completely missing the point. For example, there is one kid on the 2017 uncommitted roster who just turned 17 he is a full 2 years to almost 3 years older than most on age 2017's as you call them. Do you think maybe that helped him get a spot? Do you think he might have had an advantage at tryout time? He took a spot from a kid that was a legit 2017, that's the point. Im sure your cavalier attitude is most definitely due to the fact that your intimately familiar with this whole concept, so your child is one that is benefiting.
Not at all denying that there are some age discrepancies, so to speak. I'm just suggesting that it's not as prevalent as originally portrayed. Believe it or not, I'm also critical of the reclass strategy for athletic reasons. We're on the same side of the fence. So, no, my son is not benefitting from a holdback and is, in fact, a summer '99 birthday.
My "cavalier" attitude simply comes from the fact that I make sure my son is smiling everyday he plays the game, and that he plays because he loves it. I teach him self respect, integrity and that hard work is the runway to achievement. From there it's up to him to train hard to achieve. We'll leave the system gaming to others. The cream does rise to the top.
Ill end this argument by disagreeing with you once again and I will reiterate that this reclassifying and holding back is VERY prevalent and the Under Armour team was just one example of it. I happen to have a late November 1999 son and he plays pole for a decent club team. The fact of the matter is had he tried out for Under Armour he would have no shot against kids that are 1 1/2 to 2 years older than him. The size, speed and physical maturity difference is quite drastic at this age as you know. It all evens out in 11th and 12th grade for the most part, but with the early recruiting that is going he is most definitely at a extreme disadvantage. I too teach my son to work hard, keep a positive attitude and persevere, however I also teach him not to stand by when there is unfairness or injustice and to speak up for yourself and what's right. Nothing will change unless people change it. Like a previous poster said, play with your age group, I don't think that's too much to ask.
So how is this for real math or couting:
DOB 1997 = 5
DOB 1998 = 20
DOB 1999 = 21
then there are 2 w/o DOB's
DOB in 1998 in Dec = 5
DOB in 1998 in Nov = 2
So excluding the 2 w/o DOB's and including the Dec and Nov 1998, there would be 28 out of 46....pull your calculators out if you need to but still not 3/4. Plus there is one DOB 1997 kid(?)that lists his accolades as playing on the 2016 Laxachusets team last year and 2017 Laxachussetts team this year.
Don't you people have anything else to do?
No, actually.
So, the calculator says 65% (thank God for that invention). Don't forget, on-age crusader, that you must also include September and October for on-age 2017 kids.
Sure, there may be some reclassed kids. You would know since you are really tackling this forensically. My 3/4 assessment was cursory, because really, this issue doesn't demand that kind of effort. However, no doubt most are kids who started school later, which is a worthy parental decision if your child is born close to the school cutoff date.
March on soldier.
I think you are completely missing the point. For example, there is one kid on the 2017 uncommitted roster who just turned 17 he is a full 2 years to almost 3 years older than most on age 2017's as you call them. Do you think maybe that helped him get a spot? Do you think he might have had an advantage at tryout time? He took a spot from a kid that was a legit 2017, that's the point. Im sure your cavalier attitude is most definitely due to the fact that your intimately familiar with this whole concept, so your child is one that is benefiting.
Not at all denying that there are some age discrepancies, so to speak. I'm just suggesting that it's not as prevalent as originally portrayed. Believe it or not, I'm also critical of the reclass strategy for athletic reasons. We're on the same side of the fence. So, no, my son is not benefitting from a holdback and is, in fact, a summer '99 birthday.
My "cavalier" attitude simply comes from the fact that I make sure my son is smiling everyday he plays the game, and that he plays because he loves it. I teach him self respect, integrity and that hard work is the runway to achievement. From there it's up to him to train hard to achieve. We'll leave the system gaming to others. The cream does rise to the top.
Ill end this argument by disagreeing with you once again and I will reiterate that this reclassifying and holding back is VERY prevalent and the Under Armour team was just one example of it. I happen to have a late November 1999 son and he plays pole for a decent club team. The fact of the matter is had he tried out for Under Armour he would have no shot against kids that are 1 1/2 to 2 years older than him. The size, speed and physical maturity difference is quite drastic at this age as you know. It all evens out in 11th and 12th grade for the most part, but with the early recruiting that is going he is most definitely at a extreme disadvantage. I too teach my son to work hard, keep a positive attitude and persevere, however I also teach him not to stand by when there is unfairness or injustice and to speak up for yourself and what's right. Nothing will change unless people change it. Like a previous poster said, play with your age group, I don't think that's too much to ask.
As you may think you ended the argument all you did was continue it. Your son is now going into his 2nd yr of HS now; it is all grade based. Your son playing to get noticed by colleges and they want to know when one graduates. In HS it isn't even grade base but mixed grade based.
My son is also a summer boy I realize unfortunate things do happen you just need to work through them and persevere.
Ill end this argument by disagreeing with you once again and I will reiterate that this reclassifying and holding back is VERY prevalent and the Under Armour team was just one example of it. I happen to have a late November 1999 son and he plays pole for a decent club team. The fact of the matter is had he tried out for Under Armour he would have no shot against kids that are 1 1/2 to 2 years older than him. The size, speed and physical maturity difference is quite drastic at this age as you know. It all evens out in 11th and 12th grade for the most part, but with the early recruiting that is going he is most definitely at a extreme disadvantage. I too teach my son to work hard, keep a positive attitude and persevere, however I also teach him not to stand by when there is unfairness or injustice and to speak up for yourself and what's right. Nothing will change unless people change it. Like a previous poster said, play with your age group, I don't think that's too much to ask. [/quote]
Why not just have open field teams in club tournaments once they are done with 8th grade? All these kids are in high school and here we are believing they need to be recruited as 9th or 10th graders. When they get to college as freshman they have to compete with upperclassmen, and are playing on HS teams now with upperclassmen. The reclassified game has made it so that kids years apart anyways despite the 2017 label.
The bottom line is how in the world does a 17 yr old get to call himself a 2017? It matters at these individual showcases. When a 17yr old can call himself a freshman theres something really wrong.
This article sums it up pretty nicely
http://deadspin.com/my-father-happens-to-be-from-jamaica-and-he-ran-high-sc-1570498629
Why is lacrosse not like elite club soccer? Soccer is all age based. Girls playing U-16, U-17 can be in odd school years as holdbacks. Nobody in soccer seems confused if they are recruiting a specific U16 kid who is a 2017 or a 2016 at a tournament. Do we have a confidence problem that NCAA lacrosse coaches can't read the school year from a tournament roster sheet?
Crabs have a few players close to, if not 17 on the 2017 team...look at the school they attend, BL is a notorious dumping ground for children with poor academic skills. The coaches love to wait and grab them from other prep schools promising them an easier education and a chance to play lacrosse at a high level...no different than Alabama or Florida State
Dear Duke Daddy,
Your son has no accomplished YOUR main goal. He repeated a grade so he could be a better athlete and commit to a school. Now, get the [lacrosse] of this site!
Check this out:
http://future150.com/hs/basketball-rankings/2015/can go by class for NCAA men's basketball for commits:
31 of the top 150 in 2015 class
6 of the top 150 in 2016 class
1 of the top 100 in 2017 class
Just interesting to note how another larger and wildly more competitive NCAA sport goes along on it. The best basketball recruits are mostly losers, especially 99 of the 2017s.
Crabs have a few players close to, if not 17 on the 2017 team...look at the school they attend, BL is a notorious dumping ground for children with poor academic skills. The coaches love to wait and grab them from other prep schools promising them an easier education and a chance to play lacrosse at a high level...no different than Alabama or Florida State
No kidding
http://www.boyslatinmd.com/document.doc?id=1910Take away the lacrosse admissions office exceptions and SUNIJ at Parsippany is a reach for BL kids.
Why is lacrosse not like elite club soccer? Soccer is all age based. Girls playing U-16, U-17 can be in odd school years as holdbacks. Nobody in soccer seems confused if they are recruiting a specific U16 kid who is a 2017 or a 2016 at a tournament. Do we have a confidence problem that NCAA lacrosse coaches can't read the school year from a tournament roster sheet?
This is the same system used by hockey USA. Lacrosse needs to be age based 16u is 98 under, 99 is 15 under you can always play up but not down. It would even the system for all while giving the better players the opportunity to play up,if their ability allows it. Using graduation year makes for some shady moves and each state has different dates as cutoffs for school. Most Long Island schools use 12/1 as the date. But birthdate is your birthdate and if you want to change that give it a try.
The coaches don't seem to care to see through the reclassifying game. It stinks on a whole bunch of levels, but the truth is that all the coaches care about is your graduation year, period, end of story.
My son's 2017 team now has four committed players, and another two who are close. 5 of the 6 should be 2016's, and I can promise you none of the college coaches care.
This is becoming as much about simple supply and demand at the top end of the college food chain as it is about trying to game the system.
Well said.
Fast forward 10 years in the future (when lax is all over) to get a better idea if all the system gaming, did more harm, than help...
The coaches don't seem to care to see through the reclassifying game. It stinks on a whole bunch of levels, but the truth is that all the coaches care about is your graduation year, period, end of story.
My son's 2017 team now has four committed players, and another two who are close. 5 of the 6 should be 2016's, and I can promise you none of the college coaches care.
This is becoming as much about simple supply and demand at the top end of the college food chain as it is about trying to game the system.
The coaches do care. There is little scholarship money in lacrosse to go around, and they don't want to give it out in 5 year pieces with a redshirt year. So they'd like for you the dopey lacrosse parent to pay for a redshirt year before they go to college. Seems to be working out well for them. Lacrosse parents are idiots. You're chasing $5,000 to $10,000 in scholarship money at colleges running over $40,000 up over $60,000 a year. If you need the money for your kid to go to college, you're likely to have same or better luck with the financial aid office.
The coaches don't seem to care to see through the reclassifying game. It stinks on a whole bunch of levels, but the truth is that all the coaches care about is your graduation year, period, end of story.
My son's 2017 team now has four committed players, and another two who are close. 5 of the 6 should be 2016's, and I can promise you none of the college coaches care.
This is becoming as much about simple supply and demand at the top end of the college food chain as it is about trying to game the system.
I agree coaches don't care. Look at the Turtles, they are best 2017 team and I hear have the most D1 commits (11 or 12) but I'm sure they are all held back.
Dear Duke Daddy,
Your son has no accomplished YOUR main goal. He repeated a grade so he could be a better athlete and commit to a school. Now, get the [lacrosse] of this site!
Calm down Joey Buttafuoco
The coaches don't seem to care to see through the reclassifying game. It stinks on a whole bunch of levels, but the truth is that all the coaches care about is your graduation year, period, end of story.
My son's 2017 team now has four committed players, and another two who are close. 5 of the 6 should be 2016's, and I can promise you none of the college coaches care.
This is becoming as much about simple supply and demand at the top end of the college food chain as it is about trying to game the system.
I agree coaches don't care. Look at the Turtles, they are best 2017 team and I hear have the most D1 commits (11 or 12) but I'm sure they are all held back.
Nice Try!
The coaches don't seem to care to see through the reclassifying game. It stinks on a whole bunch of levels, but the truth is that all the coaches care about is your graduation year, period, end of story.
My son's 2017 team now has four committed players, and another two who are close. 5 of the 6 should be 2016's, and I can promise you none of the college coaches care.
This is becoming as much about simple supply and demand at the top end of the college food chain as it is about trying to game the system.
I agree coaches don't care. Look at the Turtles, they are best 2017 team and I hear have the most D1 commits (11 or 12) but I'm sure they are all held back.
Not really true at all. Out of the 9 turtles who are D1 commits, maybe 2 of them are held back.
The coaches don't seem to care to see through the reclassifying game. It stinks on a whole bunch of levels, but the truth is that all the coaches care about is your graduation year, period, end of story.
My son's 2017 team now has four committed players, and another two who are close. 5 of the 6 should be 2016's, and I can promise you none of the college coaches care.
This is becoming as much about simple supply and demand at the top end of the college food chain as it is about trying to game the system.
I agree coaches don't care. Look at the Turtles, they are best 2017 team and I hear have the most D1 commits (11 or 12) but I'm sure they are all held back.
Not really true at all. Out of the 9 turtles who are D1 commits, maybe 2 of them are held back.
If the rules for school based lacrosse say this is acceptable and the parents are ok with holding back their children so be it. They are doing nothing against the rules. Good for any student athlete who gets a commitment to any college d1, d2...........
With that said the club lacrosse should apply rules based on birth date. Players can play their birthdate and up not down. Would be a huge boost to club lacrosse and increase a more even playing field in tournaments. But once again if the rules aren't broken stop complaining. Your child as does mine has a choice play or don't play. To be clear also my son has no commit but interest from a few schools based on his athletics and grades. I wish everyone could play in college it is a great experience and a chance to make life long friends.
I'll probably catch a lot of flack for this, but here it goes anyway. My son of his own accord ( i know many of you won't believe it, but oh well) has pretty much decided he wants to reclassify.
He's a 2017 on a top club team, but missed most of his high school season, started as a freshmen on a mediocre team, and has had a lower leg injury that has kept him out of most of his summer tournaments. He had an invite to Jake Reed and couldn't play and the only summer tournament he played in was a local event with no exposure so no colleges have seen him play since last fall. He is a semi-late bloomer who wasn't physically big enough (plays close and pole) to be a candidate for early recruiting, but he is a young 2017 and is now 6' 2" and still growing.
He's gotten initial interest from a couple of Patriot League schools, and reclass or not has a great shot at one of them, but in a perfect world he wanted to have all of the available options on the table that are the right academic and athletic fits.
His club coach has been advocating on his behalf anyway, but understandably college coaches want to at least see current video which he doesn't have and better yet see him play which probably won't happen this summer.
Not looking for a shoulder to cry on, and sometimes things aren't fair and you have to deal with the cards that you have been dealt. I think he should plug away through at least the fall season, and hopefully he'll be healthy enough to play at a high level and then make a decision.
The narrowing of the window of opportunity IMO is the worst thing with the early recruiting and early committing. It will be an interesting decision and not sure how I feel about it, but as an earlier poster said it isn't breaking any rules, it sure seems like at least a 1/3 to a 1/2 of the commits so far reclassed or were held back at some point.
I'll probably catch a lot of flack for this, but here it goes anyway. My son of his own accord ( i know many of you won't believe it, but oh well) has pretty much decided he wants to reclassify.
He's a 2017 on a top club team, but missed most of his high school season, started as a freshmen on a mediocre team, and has had a lower leg injury that has kept him out of most of his summer tournaments. He had an invite to Jake Reed and couldn't play and the only summer tournament he played in was a local event with no exposure so no colleges have seen him play since last fall. He is a semi-late bloomer who wasn't physically big enough (plays close and pole) to be a candidate for early recruiting, but he is a young 2017 and is now 6' 2" and still growing.
He's gotten initial interest from a couple of Patriot League schools, and reclass or not has a great shot at one of them, but in a perfect world he wanted to have all of the available options on the table that are the right academic and athletic fits.
His club coach has been advocating on his behalf anyway, but understandably college coaches want to at least see current video which he doesn't have and better yet see him play which probably won't happen this summer.
Not looking for a shoulder to cry on, and sometimes things aren't fair and you have to deal with the cards that you have been dealt. I think he should plug away through at least the fall season, and hopefully he'll be healthy enough to play at a high level and then make a decision.
The narrowing of the window of opportunity IMO is the worst thing with the early recruiting and early committing. It will be an interesting decision and not sure how I feel about it, but as an earlier poster said it isn't breaking any rules, it sure seems like at least a 1/3 to a 1/2 of the commits so far reclassed or were held back at some point.
Sounds reasonable given the injury. So, how are you going to go about reclassifying him? Obviously he has to go to a private school probably off Island. Curious about the plan.
The coaches don't seem to care to see through the reclassifying game. It stinks on a whole bunch of levels, but the truth is that all the coaches care about is your graduation year, period, end of story.
My son's 2017 team now has four committed players, and another two who are close. 5 of the 6 should be 2016's, and I can promise you none of the college coaches care.
This is becoming as much about simple supply and demand at the top end of the college food chain as it is about trying to game the system.
The coaches do care. There is little scholarship money in lacrosse to go around, and they don't want to give it out in 5 year pieces with a redshirt year. So they'd like for you the dopey lacrosse parent to pay for a redshirt year before they go to college. Seems to be working out well for them. Lacrosse parents are idiots. You're chasing $5,000 to $10,000 in scholarship money at colleges running over $40,000 up over $60,000 a year. If you need the money for your kid to go to college, you're likely to have same or better luck with the financial aid office.
You're showing you're ignorance if you're talking about scholarship $$. It's all about getting into a college you're son may not get into otherwise. Way more valuable then scholarship money IMHO.
If your son is 6'2 and still growing have him play football, 25 man recruiting roster per year, if he is academically qualified for those schools, at 6'2" way better chance to score a scholarship in football.
WAYYYY easier to get money for playing football
I'll probably catch a lot of flack for this, but here it goes anyway. My son of his own accord ( i know many of you won't believe it, but oh well) has pretty much decided he wants to reclassify.
He's a 2017 on a top club team, but missed most of his high school season, started as a freshmen on a mediocre team, and has had a lower leg injury that has kept him out of most of his summer tournaments. He had an invite to Jake Reed and couldn't play and the only summer tournament he played in was a local event with no exposure so no colleges have seen him play since last fall. He is a semi-late bloomer who wasn't physically big enough (plays close and pole) to be a candidate for early recruiting, but he is a young 2017 and is now 6' 2" and still growing.
He's gotten initial interest from a couple of Patriot League schools, and reclass or not has a great shot at one of them, but in a perfect world he wanted to have all of the available options on the table that are the right academic and athletic fits.
His club coach has been advocating on his behalf anyway, but understandably college coaches want to at least see current video which he doesn't have and better yet see him play which probably won't happen this summer.
Not looking for a shoulder to cry on, and sometimes things aren't fair and you have to deal with the cards that you have been dealt. I think he should plug away through at least the fall season, and hopefully he'll be healthy enough to play at a high level and then make a decision.
The narrowing of the window of opportunity IMO is the worst thing with the early recruiting and early committing. It will be an interesting decision and not sure how I feel about it, but as an earlier poster said it isn't breaking any rules, it sure seems like at least a 1/3 to a 1/2 of the commits so far reclassed or were held back at some point.
I'll probably catch a lot of flack for this, but here it goes anyway. My son of his own accord ( i know many of you won't believe it, but oh well) has pretty much decided he wants to reclassify.
He's a 2017 on a top club team, but missed most of his high school season, started as a freshmen on a mediocre team, and has had a lower leg injury that has kept him out of most of his summer tournaments. He had an invite to Jake Reed and couldn't play and the only summer tournament he played in was a local event with no exposure so no colleges have seen him play since last fall. He is a semi-late bloomer who wasn't physically big enough (plays close and pole) to be a candidate for early recruiting, but he is a young 2017 and is now 6' 2" and still growing.
He's gotten initial interest from a couple of Patriot League schools, and reclass or not has a great shot at one of them, but in a perfect world he wanted to have all of the available options on the table that are the right academic and athletic fits.
His club coach has been advocating on his behalf anyway, but understandably college coaches want to at least see current video which he doesn't have and better yet see him play which probably won't happen this summer.
Not looking for a shoulder to cry on, and sometimes things aren't fair and you have to deal with the cards that you have been dealt. I think he should plug away through at least the fall season, and hopefully he'll be healthy enough to play at a high level and then make a decision.
The narrowing of the window of opportunity IMO is the worst thing with the early recruiting and early committing. It will be an interesting decision and not sure how I feel about it, but as an earlier poster said it isn't breaking any rules, it sure seems like at least a 1/3 to a 1/2 of the commits so far reclassed or were held back at some point.
What would be you rationale to the school? Did he pass all his classes? How much would holding back an academically sound ninth grade student benefit him for future studies? He still needs to be prepared academically. Then in ninth grade his friends would still be moving on AND he would still be playing the same level at high school. I know that a move like this in school is not considered reclassifying but retaining and public schools do not support this and you would need to go to an independent impartial hearing to prove your son needs to be retained for academic reasons. Or you can move to a private school where they don't care as long as you can pay the tuition and pass the classes. Your reason is your own and they will allow for it.
In the long term what is the real benefit of holding him back in school. You are not reclassifying but retaining. Is the scholarship worth it when it seems like he will be getting interest anyway?
Just for the sake of the jealousy comments my son has not committed yet but has a few choices also and he hopes to commit soon if he decides he would rather play lacrosse than his other sport.
Good luck.
The coaches don't seem to care to see through the reclassifying game. It stinks on a whole bunch of levels, but the truth is that all the coaches care about is your graduation year, period, end of story.
My son's 2017 team now has four committed players, and another two who are close. 5 of the 6 should be 2016's, and I can promise you none of the college coaches care.
This is becoming as much about simple supply and demand at the top end of the college food chain as it is about trying to game the system.
I agree coaches don't care. Look at the Turtles, they are best 2017 team and I hear have the most D1 commits (11 or 12) but I'm sure they are all held back.
Nice Try!
So will all the turtles be committed by next summer?
National 175 individual showcase yesterday was well ran, with ton of college coaches. Most of them bailed when the rain picked up but most of the teams had a good game in front of about 12-15 d1 coaches.
I'll probably catch a lot of flack for this, but here it goes anyway. My son of his own accord ( i know many of you won't believe it, but oh well) has pretty much decided he wants to reclassify.
He's a 2017 on a top club team, but missed most of his high school season, started as a freshmen on a mediocre team, and has had a lower leg injury that has kept him out of most of his summer tournaments. He had an invite to Jake Reed and couldn't play and the only summer tournament he played in was a local event with no exposure so no colleges have seen him play since last fall. He is a semi-late bloomer who wasn't physically big enough (plays close and pole) to be a candidate for early recruiting, but he is a young 2017 and is now 6' 2" and still growing.
He's gotten initial interest from a couple of Patriot League schools, and reclass or not has a great shot at one of them, but in a perfect world he wanted to have all of the available options on the table that are the right academic and athletic fits.
His club coach has been advocating on his behalf anyway, but understandably college coaches want to at least see current video which he doesn't have and better yet see him play which probably won't happen this summer.
Not looking for a shoulder to cry on, and sometimes things aren't fair and you have to deal with the cards that you have been dealt. I think he should plug away through at least the fall season, and hopefully he'll be healthy enough to play at a high level and then make a decision.
The narrowing of the window of opportunity IMO is the worst thing with the early recruiting and early committing. It will be an interesting decision and not sure how I feel about it, but as an earlier poster said it isn't breaking any rules, it sure seems like at least a 1/3 to a 1/2 of the commits so far reclassed or were held back at some point.
I'll probably catch a lot of flack for this, but here it goes anyway. My son of his own accord ( i know many of you won't believe it, but oh well) has pretty much decided he wants to reclassify.
He's a 2017 on a top club team, but missed most of his high school season, started as a freshmen on a mediocre team, and has had a lower leg injury that has kept him out of most of his summer tournaments. He had an invite to Jake Reed and couldn't play and the only summer tournament he played in was a local event with no exposure so no colleges have seen him play since last fall. He is a semi-late bloomer who wasn't physically big enough (plays close and pole) to be a candidate for early recruiting, but he is a young 2017 and is now 6' 2" and still growing.
He's gotten initial interest from a couple of Patriot League schools, and reclass or not has a great shot at one of them, but in a perfect world he wanted to have all of the available options on the table that are the right academic and athletic fits.
His club coach has been advocating on his behalf anyway, but understandably college coaches want to at least see current video which he doesn't have and better yet see him play which probably won't happen this summer.
Not looking for a shoulder to cry on, and sometimes things aren't fair and you have to deal with the cards that you have been dealt. I think he should plug away through at least the fall season, and hopefully he'll be healthy enough to play at a high level and then make a decision.
The narrowing of the window of opportunity IMO is the worst thing with the early recruiting and early committing. It will be an interesting decision and not sure how I feel about it, but as an earlier poster said it isn't breaking any rules, it sure seems like at least a 1/3 to a 1/2 of the commits so far reclassed or were held back at some point.
What would be you rationale to the school? Did he pass all his classes? How much would holding back an academically sound ninth grade student benefit him for future studies? He still needs to be prepared academically. Then in ninth grade his friends would still be moving on AND he would still be playing the same level at high school. I know that a move like this in school is not considered reclassifying but retaining and public schools do not support this and you would need to go to an independent impartial hearing to prove your son needs to be retained for academic reasons. Or you can move to a private school where they don't care as long as you can pay the tuition and pass the classes. Your reason is your own and they will allow for it.
In the long term what is the real benefit of holding him back in school. You are not reclassifying but retaining. Is the scholarship worth it when it seems like he will be getting interest anyway?
Just for the sake of the jealousy comments my son has not committed yet but has a few choices also and he hopes to commit soon if he decides he would rather play lacrosse than his other sport.
Good luck.
The only reason to reclassify would be to reset his year group because of losing a year. Even if he has the ability to play at a top school, if the public lists are correct there are probably only 2-3 school that are full or close to be being full at his position.
The only thing he/we would be committing to is if the right school came along he would commit to doing a PG year somewhere so he would continue with his 2017 group, but as far as "recruiting" is concerned the schools would consider him to be a 2018.
I am not wild about the idea, but we'll be meeting with his coaches to discuss.
I'll probably catch a lot of flack for this, but here it goes anyway. My son of his own accord ( i know many of you won't believe it, but oh well) has pretty much decided he wants to reclassify.
He's a 2017 on a top club team, but missed most of his high school season, started as a freshmen on a mediocre team, and has had a lower leg injury that has kept him out of most of his summer tournaments. He had an invite to Jake Reed and couldn't play and the only summer tournament he played in was a local event with no exposure so no colleges have seen him play since last fall. He is a semi-late bloomer who wasn't physically big enough (plays close and pole) to be a candidate for early recruiting, but he is a young 2017 and is now 6' 2" and still growing.
He's gotten initial interest from a couple of Patriot League schools, and reclass or not has a great shot at one of them, but in a perfect world he wanted to have all of the available options on the table that are the right academic and athletic fits.
His club coach has been advocating on his behalf anyway, but understandably college coaches want to at least see current video which he doesn't have and better yet see him play which probably won't happen this summer.
Not looking for a shoulder to cry on, and sometimes things aren't fair and you have to deal with the cards that you have been dealt. I think he should plug away through at least the fall season, and hopefully he'll be healthy enough to play at a high level and then make a decision.
The narrowing of the window of opportunity IMO is the worst thing with the early recruiting and early committing. It will be an interesting decision and not sure how I feel about it, but as an earlier poster said it isn't breaking any rules, it sure seems like at least a 1/3 to a 1/2 of the commits so far reclassed or were held back at some point.
I'll probably catch a lot of flack for this, but here it goes anyway. My son of his own accord ( i know many of you won't believe it, but oh well) has pretty much decided he wants to reclassify.
He's a 2017 on a top club team, but missed most of his high school season, started as a freshmen on a mediocre team, and has had a lower leg injury that has kept him out of most of his summer tournaments. He had an invite to Jake Reed and couldn't play and the only summer tournament he played in was a local event with no exposure so no colleges have seen him play since last fall. He is a semi-late bloomer who wasn't physically big enough (plays close and pole) to be a candidate for early recruiting, but he is a young 2017 and is now 6' 2" and still growing.
He's gotten initial interest from a couple of Patriot League schools, and reclass or not has a great shot at one of them, but in a perfect world he wanted to have all of the available options on the table that are the right academic and athletic fits.
His club coach has been advocating on his behalf anyway, but understandably college coaches want to at least see current video which he doesn't have and better yet see him play which probably won't happen this summer.
Not looking for a shoulder to cry on, and sometimes things aren't fair and you have to deal with the cards that you have been dealt. I think he should plug away through at least the fall season, and hopefully he'll be healthy enough to play at a high level and then make a decision.
The narrowing of the window of opportunity IMO is the worst thing with the early recruiting and early committing. It will be an interesting decision and not sure how I feel about it, but as an earlier poster said it isn't breaking any rules, it sure seems like at least a 1/3 to a 1/2 of the commits so far reclassed or were held back at some point.
What would be you rationale to the school? Did he pass all his classes? How much would holding back an academically sound ninth grade student benefit him for future studies? He still needs to be prepared academically. Then in ninth grade his friends would still be moving on AND he would still be playing the same level at high school. I know that a move like this in school is not considered reclassifying but retaining and public schools do not support this and you would need to go to an independent impartial hearing to prove your son needs to be retained for academic reasons. Or you can move to a private school where they don't care as long as you can pay the tuition and pass the classes. Your reason is your own and they will allow for it.
In the long term what is the real benefit of holding him back in school. You are not reclassifying but retaining. Is the scholarship worth it when it seems like he will be getting interest anyway?
Just for the sake of the jealousy comments my son has not committed yet but has a few choices also and he hopes to commit soon if he decides he would rather play lacrosse than his other sport.
Good luck.
The only reason to reclassify would be to reset his year group because of losing a year. Even if he has the ability to play at a top school, if the public lists are correct there are probably only 2-3 school that are full or close to be being full at his position.
The only thing he/we would be committing to is if the right school came along he would commit to doing a PG year somewhere so he would continue with his 2017 group, but as far as "recruiting" is concerned the schools would consider him to be a 2018.
I am not wild about the idea, but we'll be meeting with his coaches to discuss.
So sick of this "held back" topic. Enough. If someone wants to hold back their kid than great, if not than thats great also.
FACT: 8 of the 15 2017 commits from LI are NOT held back. If your kid is a hard worker and has talent there is no reason to hold back your kid for lacrosse reason, these current boys have proved that as 2017's.
You are not reclassifying you are having your son retained to play a sport in college with no real possible future after college in that sport. The fact this happens at such a rate is both alarming and says a tremendous amount about the lacrosse culture. If you can't be seen or stand out at your given graduation year just make a case for retention and have your child repeat an academic year in high school. It is truly sad.
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Dukes VS Express and Outlaws VS True Blue in Semi's at Best of best
The coaches don't seem to care to see through the reclassifying game. It stinks on a whole bunch of levels, but the truth is that all the coaches care about is your graduation year, period, end of story.
My son's 2017 team now has four committed players, and another two who are close. 5 of the 6 should be 2016's, and I can promise you none of the college coaches care.
This is becoming as much about simple supply and demand at the top end of the college food chain as it is about trying to game the system.
I agree coaches don't care. Look at the Turtles, they are best 2017 team and I hear have the most D1 commits (11 or 12) but I'm sure they are all held back.
Not really true at all. Out of the 9 turtles who are D1 commits, maybe 2 of them are held back.
Turtles are at 10 committed,
3 Hopkins
1 UNC
1 Fairfield
2 Harvard
1 Bucknell
1 Duke
1 Maryland
We were at a tourney in Denver where a player on the 3D 2017 committed as a 2016 a week or so later. Hear he is a rising Junior. Apparently you can just claim anything.
Whatever happened to the 2017 fl$. The best travel team out there
Not hearing anythin about them or the kids. Guess no one is committing to the next level? 1
Who else has committed for 2017
Who else has committed for 2017
We were at a tourney in Denver where a player on the 3D 2017 committed as a 2016 a week or so later. Hear he is a rising Junior. Apparently you can just claim anything.
Thats weak.
The coaches don't seem to care to see through the reclassifying game. It stinks on a whole bunch of levels, but the truth is that all the coaches care about is your graduation year, period, end of story.
My son's 2017 team now has four committed players, and another two who are close. 5 of the 6 should be 2016's, and I can promise you none of the college coaches care.
This is becoming as much about simple supply and demand at the top end of the college food chain as it is about trying to game the system.
I agree coaches don't care. Look at the Turtles, they are best 2017 team and I hear have the most D1 commits (11 or 12) but I'm sure they are all held back.
Not really true at all. Out of the 9 turtles who are D1 commits, maybe 2 of them are held back.
Turtles are at 10 committed,
3 Hopkins
1 UNC
1 Fairfield
2 Harvard
1 Bucknell
1 Duke
1 Maryland
Plus the player who committed to Virginia THEN left the Turtles and the 91 Defenseman who played for the Turtles and is now commited to the Process at Penn.
One just committed last week, moron.
Whatever happened to the 2017 fl$. The best travel team out there
Not hearing anythin about them or the kids. Guess no one is committing to the next level? 1
The coaches don't seem to care to see through the reclassifying game. It stinks on a whole bunch of levels, but the truth is that all the coaches care about is your graduation year, period, end of story.
My son's 2017 team now has four committed players, and another two who are close. 5 of the 6 should be 2016's, and I can promise you none of the college coaches care.
This is becoming as much about simple supply and demand at the top end of the college food chain as it is about trying to game the system.
I agree coaches don't care. Look at the Turtles, they are best 2017 team and I hear have the most D1 commits (11 or 12) but I'm sure they are all held back.
Not really true at all. Out of the 9 turtles who are D1 commits, maybe 2 of them are held back.
Turtles are at 10 committed,
3 Hopkins
1 UNC
1 Fairfield
2 Harvard
1 Bucknell
1 Duke
1 Maryland
Plus the player who committed to Virginia THEN left the Turtles and the 91 Defenseman who played for the Turtles and is now commited to the Process at Penn.
Who cares about kids who left, there commitments have NOTHING to do with the Turtles, please stop trying to take credit, it's getting old! My question is :
How many Turtles excelled on their varsity teams? Only a small number as I see it, please correct me if wrong.
One just committed last week, moron.
Just one?
Whatever happened to the 2017 fl$. The best travel team out there
Not hearing anythin about them or the kids. Guess no one is committing to the next level? 1
Ouchy only 1? Moron? Angry bird
The coaches don't seem to care to see through the reclassifying game. It stinks on a whole bunch of levels, but the truth is that all the coaches care about is your graduation year, period, end of story.
My son's 2017 team now has four committed players, and another two who are close. 5 of the 6 should be 2016's, and I can promise you none of the college coaches care.
This is becoming as much about simple supply and demand at the top end of the college food chain as it is about trying to game the system.
I agree coaches don't care. Look at the Turtles, they are best 2017 team and I hear have the most D1 commits (11 or 12) but I'm sure they are all held back.
Not really true at all. Out of the 9 turtles who are D1 commits, maybe 2 of them are held back.
Turtles are at 10 committed,
3 Hopkins
1 UNC
1 Fairfield
2 Harvard
1 Bucknell
1 Duke
1 Maryland
Harvard is now permitting public verbals for rising sophs? It was a big no-no last year...apparently they had 6 or more non-public verbals in 2016 class. I actually don't see a commit list for Harvard 2016s where I looked. Not doubting it, but are the rules that there are no rules for 2017s and up?
No true - most bailed in afternoon as rain picked up. running a showcase on the 4th is strange at best
Big turnout for Maverick Showtime today. I noticed most of the 2017 verbals are participating in this camp, where most skipped Jake Reed.
Big turnout for Maverick Showtime today. I noticed most of the 2017 verbals are participating in this camp, where most skipped Jake Reed.
My son did neither but went to the Adrenaline BlackCard. Why do you think that is to have Maverik retaining the top kids committed or not, and less of a show up at JR? My guess would be $$. BlackCard was very decent at a very reasonable cost with no frills and drama. One day event, run ragged and go home. It was well run and well attended by coaches. JR just strikes me as too expensive a hit and run now...multiple sessions, travel and boarding costs for you and the kid for days, etc. Not to say JR is not top flight competition and coaches watching, but I am guessing families with a committed kid are looking at a practical investment and not a $750 to get looks they don't need event.
What's the rationale of going to a showcase if you are already committed?
Guess all Express(2017 Terps) kids at Showtime
They got 22nd seed out of 22 teams at legacey
What's the rationale of going to a showcase if you are already committed?
Most cases you were invited and paid up before the commit. Its always good to show the coach on the sideline that he made the right selection. Just because someone is committed doesn't mean you take your foot off the gas. Need to get better every day and what better opportunity to play against high level talent than Maverick? Not about $$$ at this point...basically you are "all in" and might as well keep going.
Keep getting better playing the best talent in your class. Show your coach, who will be there at showcase events, that he made the right choice. A verbal is that, a verbal. There is always someone chasing the same spot. There is nothing to say that a coach won't take another verbal for a position and have the players fight it out for the playing time. What does he have to lose?
What's the rationale of going to a showcase if you are already committed?
Most cases you were invited and paid up before the commit. Its always good to show the coach on the sideline that he made the right selection. Just because someone is committed doesn't mean you take your foot off the gas. Need to get better every day and what better opportunity to play against high level talent than Maverick? Not about $$$ at this point...basically you are "all in" and might as well keep going.
You are forgetting another important reason....Rankings.
This fall the best boys will be ranked by IL. They all want to be on that list. Going to a competitive showcase, instead of hiding after you commit, will help establish the pecking order.
You are forgetting another important reason....Rankings.
This fall the best boys will be ranked by IL. They all want to be on that list. Going to a competitive showcase, instead of hiding after you commit, will help establish the pecking order. [/quote]
Buy Ty Xanders a burrito and a sundae and he will put your kid on the IL rankings. Mother of God, going to a showcase to improve where you land in the IL rankings racket? That is like keeping Bernie Madoff's number for when he gets out of jail to get back in touch a second time. If your kid is an early commit, well done. Do a few tournaments and call it a Summer in early July and go vacation. Go do something else, the kid earned it and is not going to be lesser the player for not being burned out to a crisp come college. Back in the day D1 college recruits played a little Summer ball and painted houses. Fall Ball was pick-up on a couple Sundays before the weather went bad, if that. They all played 3 HS sports.
Might work for you, we're working towards top 10
Might work for you, we're working towards top 10
That would be an accomplishment, and good luck. Doesn't matter when they hit the field in college, just that you get a pair of cleats. My coach used to say only momma cares what you did in HS.
You are forgetting another important reason....Rankings.
Buy Ty Xanders a burrito and a sundae and he will put your kid on the IL rankings. Mother of God, going to a showcase to improve where you land in the IL rankings racket? [/quote]
Ha ha, probably true. In any event TX is definitely part of the "problem" with the whole recruiting scene these days. Word is that he never even played the game. That's unconfirmed, but whatever. I guess he just has a talent for picking out talent. Sure.
Guess all Express(2017 Terps) kids at Showtime
They got 22nd seed out of 22 teams at legacey
Other teams missing players as well. Outlaws missing 5 kids to showtime and 2 other top players to injury...
No excuse
Guess all Express(2017 Terps) kids at Showtime
They got 22nd seed out of 22 teams at legacey
Other teams missing players as well. Outlaws missing 5 kids to showtime and 2 other top players to injury...
No excuse
and what seed did the Outlaws get? Looking for excuse too?
Guess all Express(2017 Terps) kids at Showtime
They got 22nd seed out of 22 teams at legacey
Other teams missing players as well. Outlaws missing 5 kids to showtime and 2 other top players to injury...
No excuse
Sure sounds like you are making an excuse for the Outlaws.
Guess all Express(2017 Terps) kids at Showtime
They got 22nd seed out of 22 teams at legacey
Other teams missing players as well. Outlaws missing 5 kids to showtime and 2 other top players to injury...
No excuse
But the Outlaws roster has about 35 boys on it so missing 7 boys shouldn't make a difference.
Might work for you, we're working towards top 10
What's this "we" stuff ? Nobody is recruiting you Pops..or is it Mom ? This is why these event promoters are making a small fortune.
Guess all Express(2017 Terps) kids at Showtime
They got 22nd seed out of 22 teams at legacey
Other teams missing players as well. Outlaws missing 5 kids to showtime and 2 other top players to injury...
No excuse
and what seed did the Outlaws get? Looking for excuse too?
Outlaws Went 3-0 Mon, One of 5 Teams to go 3-0 Got 5 seed because of Goals against went 1-1 on Tuesday, So I think 4-1 with some kids missing is pretty good
Guess all Express(2017 Terps) kids at Showtime
They got 22nd seed out of 22 teams at legacey
Other teams missing players as well. Outlaws missing 5 kids to showtime and 2 other top players to injury...
No excuse
But the Outlaws roster has about 35 boys on it so missing 7 boys shouldn't make a difference.
That is true the roster does have about 30-35 boys. The roster is different for each tournament. The boys are not "missing", they just did not sign up for that tournament. The team definitely looks and plays differently from tournament to tournament. Outlaws structured the roster this way so players would have the flexibility to play for other teams such as their school team.
Was Showtime basically LI/NJ/NE kids? Very few DMV kids went, and none I am awarr of from either Crabs team or Blackwolf. Sounds like it was a great event and a shame kids from MidAtlantic didn't go
Top 10... Really? The real talent makes it on their own. Not because of who you know. The truth comes out on the field and when they get it to college. Be careful. You may be exposed as not all that.
Guess all Express(2017 Terps) kids at Showtime
They got 22nd seed out of 22 teams at legacey
Other teams missing players as well. Outlaws missing 5 kids to showtime and 2 other top players to injury...
No excuse
and what seed did the Outlaws get? Looking for excuse too?
Outlaws Went 3-0 Mon, One of 5 Teams to go 3-0 Got 5 seed because of Goals against went 1-1 on Tuesday, So I think 4-1 with some kids missing is pretty good
Outlaws got shut out by True Blue in the semis.
Guess all Express(2017 Terps) kids at Showtime
They got 22nd seed out of 22 teams at legacey
Other teams missing players as well. Outlaws missing 5 kids to showtime and 2 other top players to injury...
No excuse
and what seed did the Outlaws get? Looking for excuse too?
Outlaws Went 3-0 Mon, One of 5 Teams to go 3-0 Got 5 seed because of Goals against went 1-1 on Tuesday, So I think 4-1 with some kids missing is pretty good
Outlaws got shut out by True Blue in the semis.
True, but that was at Best of the Best, not Legacy. It was 3-0 with a late goal with less than 30 seconds left. For some reason the games were changed to 15 minute running time halves as opposed to 12 minute quarter in pool play. Don't get me wrong, Outlaws didn't deserve to win but it was by far not a blow out. These two teams are 1-1 against each other for the summer.
Guess all Express(2017 Terps) kids at Showtime
They got 22nd seed out of 22 teams at legacey
Other teams missing players as well. Outlaws missing 5 kids to showtime and 2 other top players to injury...
No excuse
and what seed did the Outlaws get? Looking for excuse too?
Outlaws Went 3-0 Mon, One of 5 Teams to go 3-0 Got 5 seed because of Goals against went 1-1 on Tuesday, So I think 4-1 with some kids missing is pretty good
Outlaws got shut out by True Blue in the semis.
True, but that was at Best of the Best, not Legacy. It was 3-0 with a late goal with less than 30 seconds left. For some reason the games were changed to 15 minute running time halves as opposed to 12 minute quarter in pool play. Don't get me wrong, Outlaws didn't deserve to win but it was by far not a blow out. These two teams are 1-1 against each other for the summer.
Outlaws are a very good team with their top goalie. Not so much when he is not in. That being said, why make excuses - no one said it was a blow out, goals count no matter when they are scored, each team played the same amount of time whether shorter than pool or not. Plus True Blue played without three defensemen out with injuries...
Outlaws structured that way for profit, more tournaments where the coach can sell his swag, and to keep all the Gladiators that were a package deal. Doing 11+ tournaments, each boy goes to 5 unless you one of the top 5 on the team where they want you to attend all.
Thanks to the Outlaw parent for the clarification.
I've watched the Outlaws play three times this season. I'm very impressed, if the information is correct on how the team is stuctured with these tournaments I'm shocked. These Boys deserve more and the better players should look for new homes ASAP.
I would say exact opposite Its a Brilliant idea, I see more kids coming than going. Lets kids compete at High level and still play for High school team.
Outlaws structured that way for profit, more tournaments where the coach can sell his swag, and to keep all the Gladiators that were a package deal. Doing 11+ tournaments, each boy goes to 5 unless you one of the top 5 on the team where they want you to attend all.
They are doing ELEVEN tournaments and expect some of the kids to go to ALL of them? Not a bad idea to amortize out a larger roster so that the program is not stuck with bunches of kids out for some showcase or high school team thing, but what kid can physically handle 11 tournaments. The season isn't even 8 weeks!
I'm sure some of the Outlaw tournaments are better then others for visability, who decides on the players for the better tournaments. If it works fine, just a thought from the outside.
It's a great system. The better kids go to the better tournaments, and get placed where they can get recruited. All kids can also play for their high schools and go to top camps they get into through Outlaws.
where does the silver team fit into this?
how does the selection process work as far as picking the kids
going to the better tournaments, showcases and camps?
where does the silver team fit into this?
how does the selection process work as far as picking the kids
going to the better tournaments, showcases and camps?
Silver team gets coached well and put into the proper tournaments. Most kids that age probably need another year of development before they get recruited and my son gets it on the silver team.
Outlaws structured that way for profit, more tournaments where the coach can sell his swag, and to keep all the Gladiators that were a package deal. Doing 11+ tournaments, each boy goes to 5 unless you one of the top 5 on the team where they want you to attend all.
They are doing ELEVEN tournaments and expect some of the kids to go to ALL of them? Not a bad idea to amortize out a larger roster so that the program is not stuck with bunches of kids out for some showcase or high school team thing, but what kid can physically handle 11 tournaments. The season isn't even 8 weeks!
I am positive no player did all the tournaments to date so therefore no one is doing 11. 9 maybe - LOL
where does the silver team fit into this?
how does the selection process work as far as picking the kids
going to the better tournaments, showcases and camps?
Silver team gets coached well and put into the proper tournaments. Most kids that age probably need another year of development before they get recruited and my son gets it on the silver team.
Silver team does not do any showcase or recruiting tournaments.
where does the silver team fit into this?
how does the selection process work as far as picking the kids
going to the better tournaments, showcases and camps?
Silver team gets coached well and put into the proper tournaments. Most kids that age probably need another year of development before they get recruited and my son gets it on the silver team.
Silver team does not do any showcase or recruiting tournaments.
Silver team is the red-headed step child of the Outlaws family. They get none of the benefits (ie. Recruiting tournaments, real coaching, exposure), but the parents are still expected to pay the same as being on the Black team. Basically, they allow themselves to be used as the Brennan bank account.
After all the glowering, looks like Maverik was basically LI + New England and a few kids coming in from California. Nothing from Philly on down going in for that.
[quote=Anonymous]where does the silver team fit into this?
how does the selection process work as far as picking the kids
going to the better tournaments, showcases and camps?
Silver team gets coached well and put into the proper tournaments. Most kids that age probably need another year of development before they get recruited and my son gets it on the silver team.
Silver team does not do any showcase or recruiting tournaments.
Silver team is the red-headed step child of the Outlaws family. They get none of the benefits (ie. Recruiting tournaments, real coaching, exposure), but the parents are still expected to pay the same as being on the Black team. Basically, they allow themselves to be used as the Brennan bank account. [/quo
So how do they pick which kids go to the recruiting tournaments
Showcases and camps that the Outlaws get invitations to if there is
Roster of over 35 kids?
After all the glowering, looks like Maverik was basically LI + New England and a few kids coming in from California. Nothing from Philly on down going in for that.
Boatloads of big lumbering upstate kids
[quote=Anonymous]where does the silver team fit into this?
how does the selection process work as far as picking the kids
going to the better tournaments, showcases and camps?
Silver team gets coached well and put into the proper tournaments. Most kids that age probably need another year of development before they get recruited and my son gets it on the silver team.
Silver team does not do any showcase or recruiting tournaments.
Silver team is the red-headed step child of the Outlaws family. They get none of the benefits (ie. Recruiting tournaments, real coaching, exposure), but the parents are still expected to pay the same as being on the Black team. Basically, they allow themselves to be used as the Brennan bank account. [/quo
So how do they pick which kids go to the recruiting tournaments
Showcases and camps that the Outlaws get invitations to if there is
Roster of over 35 kids?
That b guy owner is a dirtball. And all about the money. What idiot pays 2500 for 4-5 tournaments. Parents are so naive. Its cute
I heard a top DI college coach comment he would have serious reservations about a kid who didn't play high school, regardless of how bad the HS team was or what the coach's reputation was.
that b guy owner is a dirtball. And all about the money. What idiot pays 2500 for 4-5 tournaments. Parents are so naive. Its cute
Every parent whose kid plays for team 91 pays that much for 5 tournaments and even more for the training and winter league.
How could the B Team by owned by someone else? Are the Outlaws a franchise now ?
If all are happy with that 35 Person Team then great. I don't think we would like it.
[quote=Anonymous]where does the silver team fit into this?
how does the selection process work as far as picking the kids
going to the better tournaments, showcases and camps?
Silver team gets coached well and put into the proper tournaments. Most kids that age probably need another year of development before they get recruited and my son gets it on the silver team.
Silver team does not do any showcase or recruiting tournaments.
Silver team is the red-headed step child of the Outlaws family. They get none of the benefits (ie. Recruiting tournaments, real coaching, exposure), but the parents are still expected to pay the same as being on the Black team. Basically, they allow themselves to be used as the Brennan bank account. [/quo
So how do they pick which kids go to the recruiting tournaments
Showcases and camps that the Outlaws get invitations to if there is
Roster of over 35 kids?
That b guy owner is a dirtball. And all about the money. What idiot pays 2500 for 4-5 tournaments. Parents are so naive. Its cute
If your talking Outlaws b Guy which I guess is Brennan - get facts Straight
Black Team last year cost 2200- 2 Fall tournaments and up to 7-8 Summer
Silver 2000 - 2 fall tournaments and 7 this summer
[quote=Anonymous]where does the silver team fit into this?
how does the selection process work as far as picking the kids
going to the better tournaments, showcases and camps?
Silver team gets coached well and put into the proper tournaments. Most kids that age probably need another year of development before they get recruited and my son gets it on the silver team.
Silver team does not do any showcase or recruiting tournaments.
Silver team is the red-headed step child of the Outlaws family. They get none of the benefits (ie. Recruiting tournaments, real coaching, exposure), but the parents are still expected to pay the same as being on the Black team. Basically, they allow themselves to be used as the Brennan bank account. [/quo
So how do they pick which kids go to the recruiting tournaments
Showcases and camps that the Outlaws get invitations to if there is
Roster of over 35 kids?
That b guy owner is a dirtball. And all about the money. What idiot pays 2500 for 4-5 tournaments. Parents are so naive. Its cute
What organization charges 2500 for 4 summer tournaments? And who is "b guy owner"
that b guy owner is a dirtball. And all about the money. What idiot pays 2500 for 4-5 tournaments. Parents are so naive. Its cute
Every parent whose kid plays for team 91 pays that much for 5 tournaments and even more for the training and winter league.
Actually 91 pays around 1600 for 5 tournaments..
[quote=Anonymous]where does the silver team fit into this?
how does the selection process work as far as picking the kids
going to the better tournaments, showcases and camps?
Silver team gets coached well and put into the proper tournaments. Most kids that age probably need another year of development before they get recruited and my son gets it on the silver team.
Silver team does not do any showcase or recruiting tournaments.
Silver team is the red-headed step child of the Outlaws family. They get none of the benefits (ie. Recruiting tournaments, real coaching, exposure), but the parents are still expected to pay the same as being on the Black team. Basically, they allow themselves to be used as the Brennan bank account. [/quo
So how do they pick which kids go to the recruiting tournaments
Showcases and camps that the Outlaws get invitations to if there is
Roster of over 35 kids?
That b guy owner is a dirtball. And all about the money. What idiot pays 2500 for 4-5 tournaments. Parents are so naive. Its cute
At the beginning of the year the team was sent a list of 12 tournaments and asked to pick 7. Some players may play more because of a small response for a particular tournament. Some may play less due to conflicts with school team, showcases, vacations, etc. I'm assuming if the response was large for a particular tournament the coaches chose the roster based on several criteria such as position need, who needs a tournament and, yes, who the stronger players are.
How could the B Team by owned by someone else? Are the Outlaws a franchise now ?
If all are happy with that 35 Person Team then great. I don't think we would like it.
Big roster didn't work for my son. Moving on.
where does the silver team fit into this?
how does the selection process work as far as picking the kids
going to the better tournaments, showcases and camps?
Never mind the silver team, there are kids on the "Black" team that might not even start on the silver team but are there because of patronage or connections to owners.
Boat loads of 17 year olds playing 2017.
that b guy owner is a dirtball. And all about the money. What idiot pays 2500 for 4-5 tournaments. Parents are so naive. Its cute
Every parent whose kid plays for team 91 pays that much for 5 tournaments and even more for the training and winter league.
Well look at it this way, if your kid gets a D1 lacrosse offer you can likely recover a few dimes on a dollar offset on the years of club dues via the scholarship money he gets.
Turtles are at 10 committed,
3 Hopkins
1 UNC
1 Fairfield
2 Harvard
1 Bucknell
1 Duke
1 Maryland
[/quote]
Harvard is now permitting public verbals for rising sophs? It was a big no-no last year...apparently they had 6 or more non-public verbals in 2016 class. I actually don't see a commit list for Harvard 2016s where I looked. Not doubting it, but are the rules that there are no rules for 2017s and up? [/quote]
I have a 2017 player who to be clear is not a big Ivy lacrosse recruit, but is a student who could apply with good chances to be admitted. I also have a sister who married up to someone on Harvard's Board of Trustees. Turns out that my brother-in-law's conversations with the Admissions Dean at Harvard College went a little differently than this. No Harvard coach is permitted to designate spots to student athletes as high school entering sophomores or juniors. There is such a thing at Harvard as a "pressure list" of kids being recruited by sports teams at other institutions (this involves documented offers from other schools to merit acceleration), and these applications can be considered and admissions could be offered to a kid in September of their senior year. Further, the lacrosse coach at Harvard does not have spots to offer.
What Harvard lacrosse coaches can do for you is recommend admissions by way of a referral letter that goes into the admissions file for a candidate. Being committed to the admissions process means that a kid being recruited in a sport applies for admission and gets a letter of recommendation from the coach recruiting him, which has about the same weight as being a legacy or relative of a big donor which is our hope for Harvard.
Lastly, be careful Turtle Dads...don't think you are helping the "Smithtown FO guy to Harvard" or his family at all with the Daddy bragging, and you might have already done more damage onto the poor kid than you might imagine to be so. The Admissions people at Harvard didn't find it too amusing and have long memories. Aim high, and there isn't higher than Harvard. But remember that lacrosse is something the person who matters - the Admissions Dean at Harvard College - could not care any less about.
Turtles are at 10 committed,
3 Hopkins
1 UNC
1 Fairfield
2 Harvard
1 Bucknell
1 Duke
1 Maryland
Harvard is now permitting public verbals for rising sophs? It was a big no-no last year...apparently they had 6 or more non-public verbals in 2016 class. I actually don't see a commit list for Harvard 2016s where I looked. Not doubting it, but are the rules that there are no rules for 2017s and up? [/quote]
I have a 2017 player who to be clear is not a big Ivy lacrosse recruit, but is a student who could apply with good chances to be admitted. I also have a sister who married up to someone on Harvard's Board of Trustees. Turns out that my brother-in-law's conversations with the Admissions Dean at Harvard College went a little differently than this. No Harvard coach is permitted to designate spots to student athletes as high school entering sophomores or juniors. There is such a thing at Harvard as a "pressure list" of kids being recruited by sports teams at other institutions (this involves documented offers from other schools to merit acceleration), and these applications can be considered and admissions could be offered to a kid in September of their senior year. Further, the lacrosse coach at Harvard does not have spots to offer.
What Harvard lacrosse coaches can do for you is recommend admissions by way of a referral letter that goes into the admissions file for a candidate. Being committed to the admissions process means that a kid being recruited in a sport applies for admission and gets a letter of recommendation from the coach recruiting him, which has about the same weight as being a legacy or relative of a big donor which is our hope for Harvard.
Lastly, be careful Turtle Dads...don't think you are helping the "Smithtown FO guy to Harvard" or his family at all with the Daddy bragging, and you might have already done more damage onto the poor kid than you might imagine to be so. The Admissions people at Harvard didn't find it too amusing and have long memories. Aim high, and there isn't higher than Harvard. But remember that lacrosse is something the person who matters - the Admissions Dean at Harvard College - could not care any less about. [/quote]
Smithtown f/o is more of a stud in the classroom than on the lax field
that b guy owner is a dirtball. And all about the money. What idiot pays 2500 for 4-5 tournaments. Parents are so naive. Its cute
Every parent whose kid plays for team 91 pays that much for 5 tournaments and even more for the training and winter league.
Well look at it this way, if your kid gets a D1 lacrosse offer you can likely recover a few dimes on a dollar offset on the years of club dues via the scholarship money he gets.
Try DIII, if your son has decent grades, the schools seem to find academic and merit money for athletes. Even for those who don't have a prayer with any financial aid... 30% off on $56,000 tab is not too shabby.
Hate to burst your bubble but EVERY candidate
For admission to Harvard is a stud in the classroom. Stop bragging about him and let's things fall where they will
Turtles are at 10 committed,
3 Hopkins
1 UNC
1 Fairfield
2 Harvard
1 Bucknell
1 Duke
1 Maryland
Harvard is now permitting public verbals for rising sophs? It was a big no-no last year...apparently they had 6 or more non-public verbals in 2016 class. I actually don't see a commit list for Harvard 2016s where I looked. Not doubting it, but are the rules that there are no rules for 2017s and up?
I have a 2017 player who to be clear is not a big Ivy lacrosse recruit, but is a student who could apply with good chances to be admitted. I also have a sister who married up to someone on Harvard's Board of Trustees. Turns out that my brother-in-law's conversations with the Admissions Dean at Harvard College went a little differently than this. No Harvard coach is permitted to designate spots to student athletes as high school entering sophomores or juniors. There is such a thing at Harvard as a "pressure list" of kids being recruited by sports teams at other institutions (this involves documented offers from other schools to merit acceleration), and these applications can be considered and admissions could be offered to a kid in September of their senior year. Further, the lacrosse coach at Harvard does not have spots to offer.
What Harvard lacrosse coaches can do for you is recommend admissions by way of a referral letter that goes into the admissions file for a candidate. Being committed to the admissions process means that a kid being recruited in a sport applies for admission and gets a letter of recommendation from the coach recruiting him, which has about the same weight as being a legacy or relative of a big donor which is our hope for Harvard.
Lastly, be careful Turtle Dads...don't think you are helping the "Smithtown FO guy to Harvard" or his family at all with the Daddy bragging, and you might have already done more damage onto the poor kid than you might imagine to be so. The Admissions people at Harvard didn't find it too amusing and have long memories. Aim high, and there isn't higher than Harvard. But remember that lacrosse is something the person who matters - the Admissions Dean at Harvard College - could not care any less about. [/quote]
Smithtown f/o is more of a stud in the classroom than on the lax field [/quote]
Great for the kid. You do realize Harvard declines admission to over 3,500 high school valedictorians each year on average, no? Sounds like this will have a solid application to Harvard in Fall of 2016. So why hurt the kid's chances to gain admission to Harvard in three years by lying about it now? If my kid's name was being leaked out there as "going to Harvard" and Bill Fitzsimmons knew about that and thought negatively on it, I'd be pretty concerned. He'll stamp reject on it just on principle if he feels undermined. Sounds like you're not getting the memo.
After all that I bet the kid still gets into Harvard. Good luck young man!
Turtles are at 10 committed,
3 Hopkins
1 UNC
1 Fairfield
2 Harvard
1 Bucknell
1 Duke
1 Maryland
Harvard is now permitting public verbals for rising sophs? It was a big no-no last year...apparently they had 6 or more non-public verbals in 2016 class. I actually don't see a commit list for Harvard 2016s where I looked. Not doubting it, but are the rules that there are no rules for 2017s and up? [/quote]
I have a 2017 player who to be clear is not a big Ivy lacrosse recruit, but is a student who could apply with good chances to be admitted. I also have a sister who married up to someone on Harvard's Board of Trustees. Turns out that my brother-in-law's conversations with the Admissions Dean at Harvard College went a little differently than this. No Harvard coach is permitted to designate spots to student athletes as high school entering sophomores or juniors. There is such a thing at Harvard as a "pressure list" of kids being recruited by sports teams at other institutions (this involves documented offers from other schools to merit acceleration), and these applications can be considered and admissions could be offered to a kid in September of their senior year. Further, the lacrosse coach at Harvard does not have spots to offer.
What Harvard lacrosse coaches can do for you is recommend admissions by way of a referral letter that goes into the admissions file for a candidate. Being committed to the admissions process means that a kid being recruited in a sport applies for admission and gets a letter of recommendation from the coach recruiting him, which has about the same weight as being a legacy or relative of a big donor which is our hope for Harvard.
Lastly, be careful Turtle Dads...don't think you are helping the "Smithtown FO guy to Harvard" or his family at all with the Daddy bragging, and you might have already done more damage onto the poor kid than you might imagine to be so. The Admissions people at Harvard didn't find it too amusing and have long memories. Aim high, and there isn't higher than Harvard. But remember that lacrosse is something the person who matters - the Admissions Dean at Harvard College - could not care any less about. [/quote]
ladies and gentleman we have our biggest DB award.
Harvard Shmarvard move on.
Jeez, how dumb could you LI guys be. On Twitter bragging about Harvard class of 2021. If the lax coach is a supporter, don't do stupid things to make him look like a fool...which you already did.
Boat loads of 17 year olds playing 2017.
What was the best showcase events so far for rising sophs? Jake Reed, Black Card or Showtime? From amount of coaches and better players. Thanks in advance.
let me get this straight, your brother in law is on the board at Harvard, and you took it upon yourself to create an issue in hopes to make a problem for this young man? Could you be a bigger dk??!! What happens when your son doesn't get hired by Goldman, you have a brother in law there to complain to? You must be a treat to have as a bro in law, envious [lacrosse].
let me get this straight, your brother in law is on the board at Harvard, and you took it upon yourself to create an issue in hopes to make a problem for this young man? Could you be a bigger dk??!! What happens when your son doesn't get hired by Goldman, you have a brother in law there to complain to? You must be a treat to have as a bro in law, envious [lacrosse].
Why is he a [lacrosse]? Because someone is lying about beimg recruited in 10th to harvard?
People grow up
let me get this straight, your brother in law is on the board at Harvard, and you took it upon yourself to create an issue in hopes to make a problem for this young man? Could you be a bigger dk??!! What happens when your son doesn't get hired by Goldman, you have a brother in law there to complain to? You must be a treat to have as a bro in law, envious [lacrosse].
Why is he a [lacrosse]? Because someone is lying about beimg recruited in 10th to harvard?
People grow up
let me explain, all Ivy league candidates are committing to the admissions process, there is no guarantee that they will be admitted. This AC is telling us he complained to his Bro in law who is on the Board of Trustees, who then brought it up to admissions, then intimated they could be rejected.
How was your day? Great I'm envious of a young man who wants to and is good enough to play at Harvard and i did my best to crush his dreams. PS he's a FDB
let me get this straight, your brother in law is on the board at Harvard, and you took it upon yourself to create an issue in hopes to make a problem for this young man? Could you be a bigger dk??!! What happens when your son doesn't get hired by Goldman, you have a brother in law there to complain to? You must be a treat to have as a bro in law, envious [lacrosse].
Why is he a [lacrosse]? Because someone is lying about beimg recruited in 10th to harvard?
People grow up
let me explain, all Ivy league candidates are committing to the admissions process, there is no guarantee that they will be admitted. This AC is telling us he complained to his Bro in law who is on the Board of Trustees, who then brought it up to admissions, then intimated they could be rejected.
How was your day? Great I'm envious of a young man who wants to and is good enough to play at Harvard and i did my best to crush his dreams. PS he's a FDB
Must be different for girls. There were sophs last year who committed to Harvard.
Don't repeat that. That loser is probably calling his Brother in law again.
Turtles are at 10 committed,
3 Hopkins
1 UNC
1 Fairfield
2 Harvard
1 Bucknell
1 Duke
1 Maryland
Harvard is now permitting public verbals for rising sophs? It was a big no-no last year...apparently they had 6 or more non-public verbals in 2016 class. I actually don't see a commit list for Harvard 2016s where I looked. Not doubting it, but are the rules that there are no rules for 2017s and up? [/quote]
I have a 2017 player who to be clear is not a big Ivy lacrosse recruit, but is a student who could apply with good chances to be admitted. I also have a sister who married up to someone on Harvard's Board of Trustees. Turns out that my brother-in-law's conversations with the Admissions Dean at Harvard College went a little differently than this. No Harvard coach is permitted to designate spots to student athletes as high school entering sophomores or juniors. There is such a thing at Harvard as a "pressure list" of kids being recruited by sports teams at other institutions (this involves documented offers from other schools to merit acceleration), and these applications can be considered and admissions could be offered to a kid in September of their senior year. Further, the lacrosse coach at Harvard does not have spots to offer.
What Harvard lacrosse coaches can do for you is recommend admissions by way of a referral letter that goes into the admissions file for a candidate. Being committed to the admissions process means that a kid being recruited in a sport applies for admission and gets a letter of recommendation from the coach recruiting him, which has about the same weight as being a legacy or relative of a big donor which is our hope for Harvard.
Lastly, be careful Turtle Dads...don't think you are helping the "Smithtown FO guy to Harvard" or his family at all with the Daddy bragging, and you might have already done more damage onto the poor kid than you might imagine to be so. The Admissions people at Harvard didn't find it too amusing and have long memories. Aim high, and there isn't higher than Harvard. But remember that lacrosse is something the person who matters - the Admissions Dean at Harvard College - could not care any less about. [/quote]
Don't listen to this guy. My son recently graduated from Harvard and was recruited and played lacrosse. It's not really different at Harvard than Johns Hopkins (other than no scholarships). True, you are not formally "accepted" until senior year. (this is true at non Ivy's as well). But what you do get is a letter which basically says you will be given strong consideration for admissions as long as you continue to perform in school, etc. sort of like a highly confident letter. It is obviously not binding but neither is a verbal from Maryland. LOI signing (for non IVYs) is the only time when a contract is formed between player and institution.
And as for no scholarships, if you meet the need based criteria (as we did), there are plenty of grants (not loans), which are the same (and arguably better) than scholarships.
Turtles are at 10 committed,
3 Hopkins
1 UNC
1 Fairfield
2 Harvard
1 Bucknell
1 Duke
1 Maryland
Harvard is now permitting public verbals for rising sophs? It was a big no-no last year...apparently they had 6 or more non-public verbals in 2016 class. I actually don't see a commit list for Harvard 2016s where I looked. Not doubting it, but are the rules that there are no rules for 2017s and up?
I have a 2017 player who to be clear is not a big Ivy lacrosse recruit, but is a student who could apply with good chances to be admitted. I also have a sister who married up to someone on Harvard's Board of Trustees. Turns out that my brother-in-law's conversations with the Admissions Dean at Harvard College went a little differently than this. No Harvard coach is permitted to designate spots to student athletes as high school entering sophomores or juniors. There is such a thing at Harvard as a "pressure list" of kids being recruited by sports teams at other institutions (this involves documented offers from other schools to merit acceleration), and these applications can be considered and admissions could be offered to a kid in September of their senior year. Further, the lacrosse coach at Harvard does not have spots to offer.
What Harvard lacrosse coaches can do for you is recommend admissions by way of a referral letter that goes into the admissions file for a candidate. Being committed to the admissions process means that a kid being recruited in a sport applies for admission and gets a letter of recommendation from the coach recruiting him, which has about the same weight as being a legacy or relative of a big donor which is our hope for Harvard.
Lastly, be careful Turtle Dads...don't think you are helping the "Smithtown FO guy to Harvard" or his family at all with the Daddy bragging, and you might have already done more damage onto the poor kid than you might imagine to be so. The Admissions people at Harvard didn't find it too amusing and have long memories. Aim high, and there isn't higher than Harvard. But remember that lacrosse is something the person who matters - the Admissions Dean at Harvard College - could not care any less about. [/quote]
Don't listen to this guy. My son recently graduated from Harvard and was recruited and played lacrosse. It's not really different at Harvard than Johns Hopkins (other than no scholarships). True, you are not formally "accepted" until senior year. (this is true at non Ivy's as well). But what you do get is a letter which basically says you will be given strong consideration for admissions as long as you continue to perform in school, etc. sort of like a highly confident letter. It is obviously not binding but neither is a verbal from Maryland. LOI signing (for non IVYs) is the only time when a contract is formed between player and institution.
And as for no scholarships, if you meet the need based criteria (as we did), there are plenty of grants (not loans), which are the same (and arguably better) than scholarships.
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What is your name? I am calling my brother-in-law...he s going to rescind your diploma!!!
Turtles committed are:
3 Hopkins
1 UNC
2 Fairfield
2 Harvard
1 Bucknell
1 Duke
1 Maryland
1 UPenn
Ps. Saw the Harvard coach this weekend and congratulated him on his 2017 class...He said thank you.
Turtles are at 10 committed,
3 Hopkins
1 UNC
1 Fairfield
2 Harvard
1 Bucknell
1 Duke
1 Maryland
Harvard is now permitting public verbals for rising sophs? It was a big no-no last year...apparently they had 6 or more non-public verbals in 2016 class. I actually don't see a commit list for Harvard 2016s where I looked. Not doubting it, but are the rules that there are no rules for 2017s and up?
I have a 2017 player who to be clear is not a big Ivy lacrosse recruit, but is a student who could apply with good chances to be admitted. I also have a sister who married up to someone on Harvard's Board of Trustees. Turns out that my brother-in-law's conversations with the Admissions Dean at Harvard College went a little differently than this. No Harvard coach is permitted to designate spots to student athletes as high school entering sophomores or juniors. There is such a thing at Harvard as a "pressure list" of kids being recruited by sports teams at other institutions (this involves documented offers from other schools to merit acceleration), and these applications can be considered and admissions could be offered to a kid in September of their senior year. Further, the lacrosse coach at Harvard does not have spots to offer.
What Harvard lacrosse coaches can do for you is recommend admissions by way of a referral letter that goes into the admissions file for a candidate. Being committed to the admissions process means that a kid being recruited in a sport applies for admission and gets a letter of recommendation from the coach recruiting him, which has about the same weight as being a legacy or relative of a big donor which is our hope for Harvard.
Lastly, be careful Turtle Dads...don't think you are helping the "Smithtown FO guy to Harvard" or his family at all with the Daddy bragging, and you might have already done more damage onto the poor kid than you might imagine to be so. The Admissions people at Harvard didn't find it too amusing and have long memories. Aim high, and there isn't higher than Harvard. But remember that lacrosse is something the person who matters - the Admissions Dean at Harvard College - could not care any less about. [/quote]
Don't listen to this guy. My son recently graduated from Harvard and was recruited and played lacrosse. It's not really different at Harvard than Johns Hopkins (other than no scholarships). True, you are not formally "accepted" until senior year. (this is true at non Ivy's as well). But what you do get is a letter which basically says you will be given strong consideration for admissions as long as you continue to perform in school, etc. sort of like a highly confident letter. It is obviously not binding but neither is a verbal from Maryland. LOI signing (for non IVYs) is the only time when a contract is formed between player and institution.
And as for no scholarships, if you meet the need based criteria (as we did), there are plenty of grants (not loans), which are the same (and arguably better) than scholarships.
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Love it - the majic word "Grants" - the one thing that if you keep your grades up stay with you (most of the time) even if you stop playing. Much better than scholarships. grades... grades... grades
What a way to a brighter future
12 commits is pretty legit and I don't think any other club is close to that although it's not a race or competition.
Goalies generally go later in the process and the turtles goalies are very good. 2016 goalies on very good teams are still uncommitted.
Goalies are one of the last positions looked at for recruiting, but I bet this kid has his phone ringing off the hook with interested coaches feeling him out- and of course, he may very well be waiting for an Ivy.
Doesn't Maverik sell a lot of equip thru Lacrosse Unlimited?
Just sayin
If the turtles are so elite, why isn`t the assistant coaches son (the goalie) committed yet?
you are an a-hole. Kid just made Maverik All-Star team and is very good.
So did others who shouldn't. Politics!
If the turtles are so elite, why isn`t the assistant coaches son (the goalie) committed yet?
you are an a-hole. Kid just made Maverik All-Star team and is very good.
So did others who shouldn't. Politics!
I guess when he played a great game against the crabs to win the championship game at crab feast that was politics also. You have no idea what you are talking about, the kid is a top-tier goalie who will go to a great college. And you are just an envious A - hole
what kind of man attacks a kid. Go back to beating your wife and kids you piece of s..t!!!
If the turtles are so elite, why isn`t the assistant coaches son (the goalie) committed yet?
you are an a-hole. Kid just made Maverik All-Star team and is very good.
So did others who shouldn't. Politics!
I guess when he played a great game against the crabs to win the championship game at crab feast that was politics also. You have no idea what you are talking about, the kid is a top-tier goalie who will go to a great college. And you are just an envious A - hole
OMG.... Lax daddy gone wild!
If the turtles are so elite, why isn`t the assistant coaches son (the goalie) committed yet?
I have to say i've read some classless statements on these pages but this one takes the cake. Asst Coach??? How dare you!
If the turtles are so elite, why isn`t the assistant coaches son (the goalie) committed yet?
I had a College coach answer that for me a few years ago when he said " its had to get a feel for a goalie who only sees 5/6 shots in a game " seems like the Turtles dominance has hurt their 2 very good goalies.
There are 68 2017 commits according to inside lacrosse, 4 are goalies...I would not look too deeply into any teams goalies specifically.
If the turtles are so elite, why isn`t the assistant coaches son (the goalie) committed yet?
I had a College coach answer that for me a few years ago when he said " its had to get a feel for a goalie who only sees 5/6 shots in a game " seems like the Turtles dominance has hurt their 2 very good goalies.
And you are close to these two kids to know that?
I think it is a sad state of affairs that adults feel the need to disparage young boys. Every kid on every team works hard to hopefully get an opportunity to play lacrosse in college. You should be encouraging the boys to always srtive for the best. They will all find a college that that is a good fit for them academically and athletically. I would think you have better things to do with your time!
...and don't forget "hater of the year" award.
Just imagine this DB cornering his bro-in-law at the family 4th of July BBQ
Most of the Turtle's that participated in the Maverick Showtime didn't make the All-Star game. No politics involved hear. Do the research.
Most of the Turtle's that participated in the Maverick Showtime didn't make the All-Star game. No politics involved hear. Do the research.
No politics involved HERE. Unless you are HEARing about the politics.
Most of the Turtle's that participated in the Maverick Showtime didn't make the All-Star game. No politics involved hear. Do the research.
Most of the turtles did not make all-star team, that is true. Its also true that a bunch of LI and PA kids that are excellent players & about 25 commits from all over the US didn't make all star game. Several of their selections had people confused. Regardless, its also true that the goalie from turtles your speaking of is a very strong goalie.
Most of the Turtle's that participated in the Maverick Showtime didn't make the All-Star game. No politics involved hear. Do the research.
No politics involved HERE. Unless you are HEARing about the politics.
I am friendly with one of the coaches from Showtime. He felt that the Turtles are decent players for the most part, but well over hyped, and not any different than the majority of the other players at the camp.
Most of the Turtle's that participated in the Maverick Showtime didn't make the All-Star game. No politics involved hear. Do the research.
No politics involved HERE. Unless you are HEARing about the politics.
I am friendly with one of the coaches from Showtime. He felt that the Turtles are decent players for the most part, but well over hyped, and not any different than the majority of the other players at the camp.
Liar liar pants on fire.
Most of the Turtle's that participated in the Maverick Showtime didn't make the All-Star game. No politics involved hear. Do the research.
No politics involved HERE. Unless you are HEARing about the politics.
the only politics involved is that Sweetlax basically runs the whole thing. Seamed like all the college kids that were coaches played for sweetlax at some point.
Most of the Turtle's that participated in the Maverick Showtime didn't make the All-Star game. No politics involved hear. Do the research.
No politics involved HERE. Unless you are HEARing about the politics.
I am friendly with one of the coaches from Showtime. He felt that the Turtles are decent players for the most part, but well over hyped, and not any different than the majority of the other players at the camp.
i have a friend at the worldcup, says Germany has decent players, over hyped.
Can anyone report college coaches in attendance for this weekend's so called showcase tournaments?
The Jersey Shootout had almost no college coaches in attendance ... Down sharply from last year
Most of the Turtle's that participated in the Maverick Showtime didn't make the All-Star game. No politics involved hear. Do the research.
No politics involved HERE. Unless you are HEARing about the politics.
the only politics involved is that Sweetlax basically runs the whole thing. Seamed like all the college kids that were coaches played for sweetlax at some point.
Exactly. And the amount of sweetlax players at the event for 2017 was huge.
Can anyone report college coaches in attendance for this weekend's so called showcase tournaments?
The Jersey Shootout had almost no college coaches in attendance ... Down sharply from last year
Many were at the NHSLS in Maryland. I is a high
school tourney. Well run, great competition
Most of the Turtle's that participated in the Maverick Showtime didn't make the All-Star game. No politics involved hear. Do the research.
No politics involved HERE. Unless you are HEARing about the politics.
I am friendly with one of the coaches from Showtime. He felt that the Turtles are decent players for the most part, but well over hyped, and not any different than the majority of the other players at the camp.
i have a friend at the worldcup, says Germany has decent players, over hyped.
Overhyped? Ironically the game winner came from a humble kid! #gotthereforareason
Most of the Turtle's that participated in the Maverick Showtime didn't make the All-Star game. No politics involved hear. Do the research.
No politics involved HERE. Unless you are HEARing about the politics.
the only politics involved is that Sweetlax basically runs the whole thing. Seamed like all the college kids that were coaches played for sweetlax at some point.
Exactly. And the amount of sweetlax players at the event for 2017 was huge.
What does that have to do with poor Turtle boys? Stop crying and blaming, others out there as good or better! It is well known that Paul Caracatara runs Showtime. He is a class act, as is Sweetlax who are both Syracuse feeders. Sweetlax recuits players off Showtime and is known for having very good teams. Ty Xanders also evaluates the kids and you may have noticed a few deserving Turtles were included and some left out. What exactly is your point?
Cant make everyone happy. Everyone can't go div. 1. Stop day dreaming
Heard some Turtle boys guest played on the FCA team in Denver over the weekend. How did that go for them?
Most of the Turtle's that participated in the Maverick Showtime didn't make the All-Star game. No politics involved hear. Do the research.
No politics involved HERE. Unless you are HEARing about the politics.
the only politics involved is that Sweetlax basically runs the whole thing. Seamed like all the college kids that were coaches played for sweetlax at some point.
Exactly. And the amount of sweetlax players at the event for 2017 was huge.
What does that have to do with poor Turtle boys? Stop crying and blaming, others out there as good or better! It is well known that Paul Caracatara runs Showtime. He is a class act, as is Sweetlax who are both Syracuse feeders. Sweetlax recuits players off Showtime and is known for having very good teams. Ty Xanders also evaluates the kids and you may have noticed a few deserving Turtles were included and some left out. What exactly is your point?
Ty Xanders??? The kid who has zero credibility? Did he play golf or tennis in HS? What qualifies that "Lax wannabe Bro" an "expert" amazes many.
Most of the Turtle's that participated in the Maverick Showtime didn't make the All-Star game. No politics involved hear. Do the research.
No politics involved HERE. Unless you are HEARing about the politics.
the only politics involved is that Sweetlax basically runs the whole thing. Seamed like all the college kids that were coaches played for sweetlax at some point.
Exactly. And the amount of sweetlax players at the event for 2017 was huge.
What does that have to do with poor Turtle boys? Stop crying and blaming, others out there as good or better! It is well known that Paul Caracatara runs Showtime. He is a class act, as is Sweetlax who are both Syracuse feeders. Sweetlax recuits players off Showtime and is known for having very good teams. Ty Xanders also evaluates the kids and you may have noticed a few deserving Turtles were included and some left out. What exactly is your point?
Point is they missed on many (not just Turtles) in regards to the all star teams. And Sweetlax players had "much support" behind closed doors. Not a knock on Sweetlax they have good teams and very good players. As far as "poor turtle boys" take a look at how many are committed and the list of those schools. They are doing pretty good!! lol
^^^^coming from a jealous fl$ parent. Give it a rest chief.
Most of the Turtle's that participated in the Maverick Showtime didn't make the All-Star game. No politics involved hear. Do the research.
No politics involved HERE. Unless you are HEARing about the politics.
the only politics involved is that Sweetlax basically runs the whole thing. Seamed like all the college kids that were coaches played for sweetlax at some point.
Exactly. And the amount of sweetlax players at the event for 2017 was huge.
What does that have to do with poor Turtle boys? Stop crying and blaming, others out there as good or better! It is well known that Paul Caracatara runs Showtime. He is a class act, as is Sweetlax who are both Syracuse feeders. Sweetlax recuits players off Showtime and is known for having very good teams. Ty Xanders also evaluates the kids and you may have noticed a few deserving Turtles were included and some left out. What exactly is your point?
Point is they missed on many (not just Turtles) in regards to the all star teams. And Sweetlax players had "much support" behind closed doors. Not a knock on Sweetlax they have good teams and very good players. As far as "poor turtle boys" take a look at how many are committed and the list of those schools. They are doing pretty good!! lol
Guys, not coming from an LI person but a MD person. It sounded to us down here like Showtime was more a LI/NY/New England showcase than the best from all over. Nothing wrong with keeping the locals happy. We all know that if you are going to do an All Star team with the best players, you'd have to start with the entire starting 10 from the Turtles. They are the best team with the best players. Down here in MD, the Ty Xanders write ups are written before he goes to the tournament...Crabs and other guys tell him who to write up and he does it. All Star game rosters are done in the parking lot before the games are played. Quite honestly the only honest showcase is the new one, Adrenaline Black Card. For some reason Adrenaline / WCS just have not been corrupted yet and stick to doing good honest events. Maybe they benefit from living as far away as possible from the east coast crap in this sport.
Ty Xanders also evaluates the kids and you may have noticed a few deserving Turtles were included and some left out. What exactly is your point? [/quote]
Ty Xanders??? The kid who has zero credibility? Did he play golf or tennis in HS? What qualifies that "Lax wannabe Bro" an "expert" amazes many. [/quote]
Ty Xanders is the perfect guy for the job. Baltimore lacrosse country club does not want him off thinking on his own. We went to St. Pauls. So any kid from St. Pauls is going to get pumped. He is basically an adopted lacrosse son of the Crabs owner who put him at Inside Lacrosse when he dropped out of college. Crabs is all about MIAA schools, especially BL, so those teams and the players on them will get pumped. Don't get me wrong, I think MIAA and Crabs, etc. have great players but it would be nice to take the taint out of this hype. At least when Ty writes up a LI kid it has more to do with whether he can play.
Plenty of non Turtles and sweetlax on the All Star Team. Il writes what they see during the game. Can't argue with what happens on the field. I saw a few Team 91 Players , a solid bunch from Leading Edge lacrosse (NJ) and a couple from True Blue.
Most of the Boys written up in the Showtime All Star recap from Ty aren't Turtles or Sweetlax Players. These are new Players to me who I didn't see play yet. Explain that????
Plenty of non Turtles and sweetlax on the All Star Team. Il writes what they see during the game. Can't argue with what happens on the field. I saw a few Team 91 Players , a solid bunch from Leading Edge lacrosse (NJ) and a couple from True Blue.
IL writes what they see? Are you kidding? The club coaches have to pump the kids they want placed. Sometimes that is because they are good players. Sometimes that is because the kid's family shelled out a fortune to go to every stupid thing the club could think of billing, including recruiting services.
Plenty of no name players from small club teams mentioned. Everybody always has an agenda? Not all the time. maybe some kids just don't step up. Several Players mention in Showtime do not fit your description.
The talent level doesn't stop at Player 42. We will always have borderline situations on both sides. After 3 solid days the College Coach has seen what they needed to see.
If the turtles are so elite, why isn`t the assistant coaches son (the goalie) committed yet?
I had a College coach answer that for me a few years ago when he said " its had to get a feel for a goalie who only sees 5/6 shots in a game " seems like the Turtles dominance has hurt their 2 very good goalies.
And you are close to these two kids to know that?
Don't need to be close to either goalie to understand what was said, if a college coach goes to a game and sees a goalie make 3 saves in his half of play because his team had control of the ball most of the time, do you think the coach is going to say WOW he had 3 saves.
If the turtles are so elite, why isn`t the assistant coaches son (the goalie) committed yet?
I had a College coach answer that for me a few years ago when he said " its had to get a feel for a goalie who only sees 5/6 shots in a game " seems like the Turtles dominance has hurt their 2 very good goalies.
And you are close to these two kids to know that?
Don't need to be close to either goalie to understand what was said, if a college coach goes to a game and sees a goalie make 3 saves in his half of play because his team had control of the ball most of the time, do you think the coach is going to say WOW he had 3 saves.
No. He will go to a Manhasset or St. Anthonys game and watch them there. Or perhaps speak with either of their coaches or perhaps see them at individual showcases or perhaps see them up close at a prospect camp at a school of their liking...just saying.
After watching the world championships and listening to coaches on recruiting I have come to the conclusion that we Long Island parents or geniuses and they are all morons. Thats right morons. They all place a high value on multi-sport athletes and are against any player playing a sport all year long. They have repeatedly talked about how the different team sports help lacrosse players reach their potential. The NC goalie coach was on the FAN Sunday morning talking about recruiting and he discussed multi sport athletes, game IQ, the ability to learn, potential they see from other sports, speed, good strong hands, the ability to work within a team BUT not once did he mention stick skills. In fact he said they could be taught and used the Duke program as an example. But as I said IDIOTS all of them. We know better here on Long Island. Interestingly enough the coach was against this early recruiting and said in five years he believes the results will not pan out in a positive way. But, once again what do all these commentators, former players, current players and coaches know?
you anonymous are the moron...keep paying those travel coaches all your hard earned $..the college coaches still call your kids HS coach to see what the real story is about your son...and those HS coaches will tell the college coaches about you and how crazy you really are...they may want your kid but they dont want to deal with you and they will pass on little Johnny because of you...get your kid a tutor and have him play 3 sports in HS...you my friend are by far the biggest moron on this board
you anonymous are the moron...keep paying those travel coaches all your hard earned $..the college coaches still call your kids HS coach to see what the real story is about your son...and those HS coaches will tell the college coaches about you and how crazy you really are...they may want your kid but they dont want to deal with you and they will pass on little Johnny because of you...get your kid a tutor and have him play 3 sports in HS...you my friend are by far the biggest moron on this board
Help a not very in the loop parent...is that just bantor or do coaches really dig in on whether the parents are lunatics? I keep hearing it matters, and we have plenty of crazy parents. In a couple instances kids committed and did well, ACC school and another, and I could not help but think wow, that coach really got himself into a bad spot with these parents. I suppose it is easy at NCAA level to just ignore parents or get rid of pain in neck kids/families once they are in the program. The question is, are there examples of a kid not getting recruited because his parents are nuts?
you anonymous are the moron...keep paying those travel coaches all your hard earned $..the college coaches still call your kids HS coach to see what the real story is about your son...and those HS coaches will tell the college coaches about you and how crazy you really are...they may want your kid but they dont want to deal with you and they will pass on little Johnny because of you...get your kid a tutor and have him play 3 sports in HS...you my friend are by far the biggest moron on this board
The post was SARCASM Sheldon
you anonymous are the moron...keep paying those travel coaches all your hard earned $..the college coaches still call your kids HS coach to see what the real story is about your son...and those HS coaches will tell the college coaches about you and how crazy you really are...they may want your kid but they dont want to deal with you and they will pass on little Johnny because of you...get your kid a tutor and have him play 3 sports in HS...you my friend are by far the biggest moron on this board
What a great response to obviously a sarcastic post. This goes to show the original poster is onto something. We are all genius here on Long Island
. To that end dos anyone talk to the high school coach? I haven't said a word to the guy besides hello coach in two years. Nice enough guy but my son as all of ours should be doing the talking at this point. The only thing I agree with is we are all lunatics.
My son is playing in the U15 national championships in Denver next week. Do you think there will be a good showing of d1 coaches there?
My son is playing in the U15 national championships in Denver next week. Do you think there will be a good showing of d1 coaches there?
There will be none, the U15 is not considered a recruiting event.
My son is playing in the U15 national championships in Denver next week. Do you think there will be a good showing of d1 coaches there?
No. It is a fun tournament with some good teams and mostly average ones (especially since it's out west this year).
College coaches do not fly to this tournament.
My son is playing in the U15 national championships in Denver next week. Do you think there will be a good showing of d1 coaches there?
No. It is a fun tournament with some good teams and mostly average ones (especially since it's out west this year).
College coaches do not fly to this tournament.
There might be some coaches staying around a day if they are at the World Championships in Denver already
Doubtful. The field for that tournament (as usual) is lousy. Unless they live out there, they will be flying home. Most of them will be going to the Terps Young Guns tournament which has several excellent 2017 teams.
Doubtful. The field for that tournament (as usual) is lousy. Unless they live out there, they will be flying home. Most of them will be going to the Terps Young Guns tournament which has several excellent 2017 teams.
Actually, there is a big split this weekend and most won't be consolidated anywhere. Terps Young Guns, IL Lacrosse tournament and fl$ in 3d in no particular order. Last year the fl$ had a huge turnout of coaches. This year there are two competing tournaments with decent teams in them. The lists of pre-registered attending coaches is pretty large for Terps and fl$. Not sure about IL, but am sure IL will do a good job selling it to get attendance. We will see.
Big High School Tournament at Delaware. The Battle of The Hot Beds.
My son is playing in the U15 national championships in Denver next week. Do you think there will be a good showing of d1 coaches there?
No. It is a fun tournament with some good teams and mostly average ones (especially since it's out west this year).
College coaches do not fly to this tournament.
There might be some coaches staying around a day if they are at the World Championships in Denver already
FCA National is loaded, saw roster today.
My son is playing in the U15 national championships in Denver next week. Do you think there will be a good showing of d1 coaches there?
No. It is a fun tournament with some good teams and mostly average ones (especially since it's out west this year).
College coaches do not fly to this tournament.
There might be some coaches staying around a day if they are at the World Championships in Denver already
FCA National is loaded, saw roster today.
Of course it is . There are seven turtles on it. Nuff said
My son is playing in the U15 national championships in Denver next week. Do you think there will be a good showing of d1 coaches there?
No. It is a fun tournament with some good teams and mostly average ones (especially since it's out west this year).
College coaches do not fly to this tournament.
There might be some coaches staying around a day if they are at the World Championships in Denver already
FCA National is loaded, saw roster today.
Of course it is . There are seven turtles on it. Nuff said
True, I heard its 8
Doubtful. The field for that tournament (as usual) is lousy. Unless they live out there, they will be flying home. Most of them will be going to the Terps Young Guns tournament which has several excellent 2017 teams.
Actually, there is a big split this weekend and most won't be consolidated anywhere. Terps Young Guns, IL Lacrosse tournament and fl$ in 3d in no particular order. Last year the fl$ had a huge turnout of coaches. This year there are two competing tournaments with decent teams in them. The lists of pre-registered attending coaches is pretty large for Terps and fl$. Not sure about IL, but am sure IL will do a good job selling it to get attendance. We will see.
The 2017 teams for IL's tournament are terrible. Madlax and Breakers are the only 2 decent teams out of 5. Whoever heard of a tournament of 5 teams. But more importantly, the IL tournament doesn't start until Monday, so it's not in the mix.
fl$ in 3D has a lot of teams, but no top tier ones.
Coaches looking for quantity over quality will go to fl$ in 3D. Coaches focused on quality will go to Young Guns to see Crabs, Dukes, VLC, etc.
Turtles pay lots of money for nothing! They stink! Just like little Rudy........the hobbit!
My son is playing in the U15 national championships in Denver next week. Do you think there will be a good showing of d1 coaches there?
No. It is a fun tournament with some good teams and mostly average ones (especially since it's out west this year).
College coaches do not fly to this tournament.
There might be some coaches staying around a day if they are at the World Championships in Denver already
FCA National is loaded, saw roster today.
Of course it is . There are seven turtles on it. Nuff said
Why are they not playing with their Smithtown team at Hotbeds? Guess their too good for that, or maybe afraid they won't stand out when playing other varsity players
This just in. At the Terps Young Guns tournament, the Crabs 2017 team is using a 2016 player who committed to Syracuse. That's right - it's a 2017 division and the Crabs brought a 2016 kid. Amazing.
This just in. At the Terps Young Guns tournament, the Crabs 2017 team is using a 2016 player who committed to Syracuse. That's right - it's a 2017 division and the Crabs brought a 2016 kid. Amazing.
Did he have to reclassify to get his commit? LOL
This just in. At the Terps Young Guns tournament, the Crabs 2017 team is using a 2016 player who committed to Syracuse. That's right - it's a 2017 division and the Crabs brought a 2016 kid. Amazing.
That stinks. But typical of Crabs, the held back stuff is out of control. We know people heading to Denver for u15 this weekend. Got to be a good feeling to see the RARE sighting of kids playing under the watch of PROOF OF BIRTH!
This just in. At the Terps Young Guns tournament, the Crabs 2017 team is using a 2016 player who committed to Syracuse. That's right - it's a 2017 division and the Crabs brought a 2016 kid. Amazing.
That stinks. But typical of Crabs, the held back stuff is out of control. We know people heading to Denver for u15 this weekend. Got to be a good feeling to see the RARE sighting of kids playing under the watch of PROOF OF BIRTH!
Felt that way about Dicks TOC... the better tourneys like this where kids come from all over- will be aged based. Hopefully the tourneys will follow this format- everyone knows where they stand when making a big financial and time commitment to attend.
This just in. At the Terps Young Guns tournament, the Crabs 2017 team is using a 2016 player who committed to Syracuse. That's right - it's a 2017 division and the Crabs brought a 2016 kid. Amazing.
That stinks. But typical of Crabs, the held back stuff is out of control. We know people heading to Denver for u15 this weekend. Got to be a good feeling to see the RARE sighting of kids playing under the watch of PROOF OF BIRTH!
Typical LI post, god forbid a little tiny sophomore has to play against a big bad junior. Not sure why they were allowed to use a player from a different grade, but don't how that automatically opens up the mundane,tired,boring holdback issue. We get it, Long Island doesn't like it, well people in Maryland don't really like it either, but it is what it is and we don't whine about about it every 45 minutes or so.....it's just boring, tired and done.....would love to come on here and see people talk about great plays or players.....all of this negativity won't change anything...can't we all just get along
This just in. At the Terps Young Guns tournament, the Crabs 2017 team is using a 2016 player who committed to Syracuse. That's right - it's a 2017 division and the Crabs brought a 2016 kid. Amazing.
That stinks. But typical of Crabs, the held back stuff is out of control. We know people heading to Denver for u15 this weekend. Got to be a good feeling to see the RARE sighting of kids playing under the watch of PROOF OF BIRTH!
Typical LI post, god forbid a little tiny sophomore has to play against a big bad junior. Not sure why they were allowed to use a player from a different grade, but don't how that automatically opens up the mundane,tired,boring holdback issue. We get it, Long Island doesn't like it, well people in Maryland don't really like it either, but it is what it is and we don't whine about about it every 45 minutes or so.....it's just boring, tired and done.....would love to come on here and see people talk about great plays or players.....all of this negativity won't change anything...can't we all just get along
We can get along when you stop cheating!
Doubtful. The field for that tournament (as usual) is lousy. Unless they live out there, they will be flying home. Most of them will be going to the Terps Young Guns tournament which has several excellent 2017 teams.
Actually, there is a big split this weekend and most won't be consolidated anywhere. Terps Young Guns, IL Lacrosse tournament and fl$ in 3d in no particular order. Last year the fl$ had a huge turnout of coaches. This year there are two competing tournaments with decent teams in them. The lists of pre-registered attending coaches is pretty large for Terps and fl$. Not sure about IL, but am sure IL will do a good job selling it to get attendance. We will see.
The 2017 teams for IL's tournament are terrible. Madlax and Breakers are the only 2 decent teams out of 5. Whoever heard of a tournament of 5 teams. But more importantly, the IL tournament doesn't start until Monday, so it's not in the mix.
fl$ in 3D has a lot of teams, but no top tier ones.
Coaches looking for quantity over quality will go to fl$ in 3D. Coaches focused on quality will go to Young Guns to see Crabs, Dukes, VLC, etc.
Get over yourself. Dukes are a good team. Crabs are a good team, but this Crabs 2017 team has won only one tournament in last couple of years. VLC is a joke. Half their good players have either left or reclassified and that team never seems to get to the semis in any top tournament since 8th grade.
The Eclipse team that handed losses to both Crabs teams is at fl$, Breakers team that beats you is at IL.
Win something or shut up.
This just in. At the Terps Young Guns tournament, the Crabs 2017 team is using a 2016 player who committed to Syracuse. That's right - it's a 2017 division and the Crabs brought a 2016 kid. Amazing.
That stinks. But typical of Crabs, the held back stuff is out of control. We know people heading to Denver for u15 this weekend. Got to be a good feeling to see the RARE sighting of kids playing under the watch of PROOF OF BIRTH!
Typical LI post, god forbid a little tiny sophomore has to play against a big bad junior. Not sure why they were allowed to use a player from a different grade, but don't how that automatically opens up the mundane,tired,boring holdback issue. We get it, Long Island doesn't like it, well people in Maryland don't really like it either, but it is what it is and we don't whine about about it every 45 minutes or so.....it's just boring, tired and done.....would love to come on here and see people talk about great plays or players.....all of this negativity won't change anything...can't we all just get along
Sad post. Apathy gets you nowhere. History is riddled with mistakes borne of apathy. Wrongs are righted when people stay focused on the issue at hand. By your philosophy, our own great nation would never have come about.
This just in. At the Terps Young Guns tournament, the Crabs 2017 team is using a 2016 player who committed to Syracuse. That's right - it's a 2017 division and the Crabs brought a 2016 kid. Amazing.
Did he have to reclassify to get his commit? LOL
This kid's name is Logan Wisnauskas. Crabs 2016 kid playing in a 2017 tourbament.
This just in. At the Terps Young Guns tournament, the Crabs 2017 team is using a 2016 player who committed to Syracuse. That's right - it's a 2017 division and the Crabs brought a 2016 kid. Amazing.
Did he have to reclassify to get his commit? LOL
This kid's name is Logan Wisnauskas. Crabs 2016 kid playing in a 2017 tourbament.
Another sad post. Naming a kid? A minor? Discretion is the better part of valor, but lost on many here.
This just in. At the Terps Young Guns tournament, the Crabs 2017 team is using a 2016 player who committed to Syracuse. That's right - it's a 2017 division and the Crabs brought a 2016 kid. Amazing.
Did he have to reclassify to get his commit? LOL
This kid's name is Logan Wisnauskas. Crabs 2016 kid playing in a 2017 tourbament.
Now wait a minute. Maybe there is a logical explanation, like he wandered onto the wrong field. I mean the 2017 team probably has the same jerseys as the 2016 team. Could happen.
Doubtful. The field for that tournament (as usual) is lousy. Unless they live out there, they will be flying home. Most of them will be going to the Terps Young Guns tournament which has several excellent 2017 teams.
Actually, there is a big split this weekend and most won't be consolidated anywhere. Terps Young Guns, IL Lacrosse tournament and fl$ in 3d in no particular order. Last year the fl$ had a huge turnout of coaches. This year there are two competing tournaments with decent teams in them. The lists of pre-registered attending coaches is pretty large for Terps and fl$. Not sure about IL, but am sure IL will do a good job selling it to get attendance. We will see.
The 2017 teams for IL's tournament are terrible. Madlax and Breakers are the only 2 decent teams out of 5. Whoever heard of a tournament of 5 teams. But more importantly, the IL tournament doesn't start until Monday, so it's not in the mix.
fl$ in 3D has a lot of teams, but no top tier ones.
Coaches looking for quantity over quality will go to fl$ in 3D. Coaches focused on quality will go to Young Guns to see Crabs, Dukes, VLC, etc.
Get over yourself. Dukes are a good team. Crabs are a good team, but this Crabs 2017 team has won only one tournament in last couple of years. VLC is a joke. Half their good players have either left or reclassified and that team never seems to get to the semis in any top tournament since 8th grade.
The Eclipse team that handed losses to both Crabs teams is at fl$, Breakers team that beats you is at IL.
Win something or shut up.
Hey, Madlax dad. Keep pimpin that dreadful IL tournament.
Crabs, Dukes, VLC and a couple other teams at Young Guns could easily beat any of the teams at 3D (or IL)
Play the tournaments and stop bellyaching
You are quite the the wordsmith.
This just in. At the Terps Young Guns tournament, the Crabs 2017 team is using a 2016 player who committed to Syracuse. That's right - it's a 2017 division and the Crabs brought a 2016 kid. Amazing.
Did he have to reclassify to get his commit? LOL
This kid's name is Logan Wisnauskas. Crabs 2016 kid playing in a 2017 tourbament.
As long as it is a stated fact... xyz is playing on abc team- I do not see a problem with it. There is no slander. The fact is that some see playing for a younger team as wrong, especially if you are slated to graduate a year earlier and already committed to college. If he chose to reclassify himself, as a 2017 after he committed, then I suspect it would be fine. So is he reclassified or left back?
Another sad post. Naming a kid? A minor? Discretion is the better part of valor, but lost on many here.
This just in. At the Terps Young Guns tournament, the Crabs 2017 team is using a 2016 player who committed to Syracuse. That's right - it's a 2017 division and the Crabs brought a 2016 kid. Amazing.
Did he have to reclassify to get his commit? LOL
This kid's name is Logan Wisnauskas. Crabs 2016 kid playing in a 2017 tourbament.
As long as it is a stated fact... xyz is playing on abc team- I do not see a problem with it. There is no slander. The fact is that some see playing for a younger team as wrong, especially if you are slated to graduate a year earlier and already committed to college. If he chose to reclassify himself, as a 2017 after he committed, then I suspect it would be fine. So is he reclassified or left back?
Another sad post. Naming a kid? A minor? Discretion is the better part of valor, but lost on many here.
A cheating minor. He and his parents should be ashamed of their selfs. At 16 you are old enough to say "this is wrong, not ethical, I'm not doing it" otherwise you wind up called out on botc. Grow a backbone!
This just in. At the Terps Young Guns tournament, the Crabs 2017 team is using a 2016 player who committed to Syracuse. That's right - it's a 2017 division and the Crabs brought a 2016 kid. Amazing.
Did he have to reclassify to get his commit? LOL
This kid's name is Logan Wisnauskas. Crabs 2016 kid playing in a 2017 tourbament.
As long as it is a stated fact... xyz is playing on abc team- I do not see a problem with it. There is no slander. The fact is that some see playing for a younger team as wrong, especially if you are slated to graduate a year earlier and already committed to college. If he chose to reclassify himself, as a 2017 after he committed, then I suspect it would be fine. So is he reclassified or left back?
Another sad post. Naming a kid? A minor? Discretion is the better part of valor, but lost on many here.
A cheating minor. He and his parents should be ashamed of their selfs. At 16 you are old enough to say "this is wrong, not ethical, I'm not doing it" otherwise you wind up called out on botc. Grow a backbone!
Very pathetic behavior. Creepers, really. Get a life.
This just in. At the Terps Young Guns tournament, the Crabs 2017 team is using a 2016 player who committed to Syracuse. That's right - it's a 2017 division and the Crabs brought a 2016 kid. Amazing.
Did he have to reclassify to get his commit? LOL
This kid's name is Logan Wisnauskas. Crabs 2016 kid playing in a 2017 tourbament.
As long as it is a stated fact... xyz is playing on abc team- I do not see a problem with it. There is no slander. The fact is that some see playing for a younger team as wrong, especially if you are slated to graduate a year earlier and already committed to college. If he chose to reclassify himself, as a 2017 after he committed, then I suspect it would be fine. So is he reclassified or left back?
Another sad post. Naming a kid? A minor? Discretion is the better part of valor, but lost on many here.
A cheating minor. He and his parents should be ashamed of their selfs. At 16 you are old enough to say "this is wrong, not ethical, I'm not doing it" otherwise you wind up called out on botc. Grow a backbone!
Get yourself a b inky and stop your crying
My goodness for the sake your crazyiness. No one cares. If one kid can make a team win...then your team must be terrible.
Crabs, Dukes, VLC and a couple other teams at Young Guns could easily beat any of the teams at 3D (or IL) [/quote]
Not a Madlax Dad here. Crabs 2017s are a talented team but have not won any tournaments. They have lost competitive games very good games to Edge, Turtles. Dukes have lost more than a few to less elite teams. And just stop it with VLC. Can't beat Breakers, can't beat Eclipse and those are two teams at the other "loser" tournaments you are picking on. Yes, we all know that Dukes and VLC teams won one tournament each when they were in 8th grade and have been awesome in the consolation rounds of tournaments since. Edge, Turtles earned earned the right to write like you. Yes, LI guys are brash but they back it up. BTW, I am also not a LI Dad. Win or shut up.
Crabs vs. Tri-State and LeadingEdge vs. Dukes in semis of the Terps Young guns. At least Crabs and Dukes are pulling through to playoffs. Get worked FCA and VLC, and come back as 2018s next year.
Crabs vs. Tri-State and LeadingEdge vs. Dukes in semis of the Terps Young guns. At least Crabs and Dukes are pulling through to playoffs. Get worked FCA and VLC, and come back as 2018s next year.
Leading Edge 2017s beat Dukes in semis and then Crabs in final 8-5 to win Young Gunz second year in a row.
Crabs vs. Tri-State and LeadingEdge vs. Dukes in semis of the Terps Young guns. At least Crabs and Dukes are pulling through to playoffs. Get worked FCA and VLC, and come back as 2018s next year.
Leading Edge 2017s beat Dukes in semis and then Crabs in final 8-5 to win Young Gunz second year in a row.
Leading Edge is very good.
They gave True Blue their only loss last week.
Crabs vs. Tri-State and LeadingEdge vs. Dukes in semis of the Terps Young guns. At least Crabs and Dukes are pulling through to playoffs. Get worked FCA and VLC, and come back as 2018s next year.
Leading Edge 2017s beat Dukes in semis and then Crabs in final 8-5 to win Young Gunz second year in a row.
Leading Edge is very good.
They gave True Blue their only loss last week.
I hope the tournament guys can do better next year. Tournaments this Summer were so pathetically watered down. Seems like the good tournaments now have 3-4 decent teams, and the great ones have 10-12 decent teams in a field of 40 like Crabfeast. Yeah, it was wicked awesome beating up on Roch Blaze. I feel bad for college coaches who have to sit and watch good teams like LE or Dukes slam down warm bodies that paid two grand for a weekend tournament by a dozen goals.
Crabs vs. Tri-State and LeadingEdge vs. Dukes in semis of the Terps Young guns. At least Crabs and Dukes are pulling through to playoffs. Get worked FCA and VLC, and come back as 2018s next year.
Leading Edge 2017s beat Dukes in semis and then Crabs in final 8-5 to win Young Gunz second year in a row.
Leading Edge is very good.
They gave True Blue their only loss last week.
I hope the tournament guys can do better next year. Tournaments this Summer were so pathetically watered down. Seems like the good tournaments now have 3-4 decent teams, and the great ones have 10-12 decent teams in a field of 40 like Crabfeast. Yeah, it was wicked awesome beating up on Roch Blaze. I feel bad for college coaches who have to sit and watch good teams like LE or Dukes slam down warm bodies that paid two grand for a weekend tournament by a dozen goals.
Why aren't Turtles playing in the U15 tournament?
Why aren't Turtles playing in the U15 tournament?
There is no recruiting value to this event
U-15 is a youth definition - Rising Sophs should play in HS focused recruiting events
Why would anyone fly from LI to Denver to play that level of competition when there are better tournaments closer to home?
Some of the guys are playing with FCA. The others don't fit the age requirement.
They are playing......recruited to play for fca
Why should they only be focused on recruiting events ? Field a quality team and go have some fun. It doesn't interfere with any recruiting events.
Why aren't Turtles playing in the U15 tournament?
There is no recruiting value to this event
U-15 is a youth definition - Rising Sophs should play in HS focused recruiting events
Why would anyone fly from LI to Denver to play that level of competition when there are better tournaments closer to home?
No recruiting value? Didn't they do it last year?
Some of the guys are playing with FCA. The others don't fit the age requirement.
please...
Its far to travel and expensive for a non recruiting event.
They are playing......recruited to play for fca
Why are they not playing with their town teams at hotbeds?
Flying to Denver to play a few days of lacrosse seems a bit much. IMO.
Some of the guys are playing with FCA. The others don't fit the age requirement.
please...
Its far to travel and expensive for a non recruiting event.
I was just at the FCA - Colorado game and there were college coaches watching the game. Didn't go so well for FCA, 0-2 vs Colorado
They are playing......recruited to play for fca
We counted 9 turtles here in Denver for FCA. There is surprisingly a few strong teams here. Colorado team is excellent.
I counted about 5-6 Turtles and a couple of team 91's in Denver.
Some of the guys are playing with FCA. The others don't fit the age requirement.
Oh, I always thought this team was a true 2017? No?
Everyone knows the U15 tournament is a joke in terms of competition and recruiting value. No matter if it's FL or CO, it's too far to travel to play crappy competition.
Every year, there are only 2-3 decent teams. Everyone else is horrible.
I counted about 5-6 Turtles and a couple of team 91's in Denver.
Incorrect. Zero Team 91 helmets for FCA but 8 Turtles helmets without question.
heard there are 10 Long Island players on FCA
I counted about 5-6 Turtles and a couple of team 91's in Denver.
Incorrect. Zero Team 91 helmets for FCA but 8 Turtles helmets without question.
heard there are 10 Long Island players on FCA
OK...CSH helmet= 91. Feel better?
I counted about 5-6 Turtles and a couple of team 91's in Denver.
Incorrect. Zero Team 91 helmets for FCA but 8 Turtles helmets without question.
heard there are 10 Long Island players on FCA
OK...CSH helmet= 91. Feel better?
FCA not doing well, guess the guns for hire flopped!
Everyone knows the U15 tournament is a joke in terms of competition and recruiting value. No matter if it's FL or CO, it's too far to travel to play crappy competition.
Every year, there are only 2-3 decent teams. Everyone else is horrible.
Wait a second, last year Turtles were boasting on "shocking the world" at U15 and a year later this tournament stinks and find out that most Turtles are not even age eligible this year?
I counted about 5-6 Turtles and a couple of team 91's in Denver.
Incorrect. Zero Team 91 helmets for FCA but 8 Turtles helmets without question.
heard there are 10 Long Island players on FCA
OK...CSH helmet= 91. Feel better?
FCA not doing well, guess the guns for hire flopped!
Fish rots from head down my friend. If a coach doesnt know how to use the hardware he has the machine breaks. Just look at 1900 Pennsylvania Ave.
I watched several of the FCA games in Denver. I am not sure if they are burnt out or the altitude and heat of Denver has taken the starch out of them, but even the basic fundamentals of passing and catching were not good, and when Colorado turned up the heat they were frazzled.
The FOGO has consistently been dominant, but other than that a surprising showing to be honest.
So much for the Fellowship of Christian Turtles
I watched several of the FCA games in Denver. I am not sure if they are burnt out or the altitude and heat of Denver has taken the starch out of them, but even the basic fundamentals of passing and catching were not good, and when Colorado turned up the heat they were frazzled.
The FOGO has consistently been dominant, but other than that a surprising showing to be honest.
We all know the 2017 Turtles are the best team with the best players. If some of the kids look like they are playing on fumes, I can understand why. Those kids have played a lot of lacrosse this Spring and Summer and the recruiting trail events. Does not make them any less excellent team or group of kids.
So much for the Fellowship of Christian Turtles
Idoit
I watched several of the FCA games in Denver. I am not sure if they are burnt out or the altitude and heat of Denver has taken the starch out of them, but even the basic fundamentals of passing and catching were not good, and when Colorado turned up the heat they were frazzled.
The FOGO has consistently been dominant, but other than that a surprising showing to be honest.
We all know the 2017 Turtles are the best team with the best players. If some of the kids look like they are playing on fumes, I can understand why. Those kids have played a lot of lacrosse this Spring and Summer and the recruiting trail events. Does not make them any less excellent team or group of kids.
Here come the excuses!! Typical. Everyone has been playing a lot of lax this summer, not just them. Stop the whining and admit that there are other players that are as good/better out there! You can't just excel on your travel team and expect that to carry you. If you can't adapt to new situations, that is trouble going forward, as the Turtles will not play together indefinitely. There new motto might read "together we stand, divided we fall"
I watched several of the FCA games in Denver. I am not sure if they are burnt out or the altitude and heat of Denver has taken the starch out of them, but even the basic fundamentals of passing and catching were not good, and when Colorado turned up the heat they were frazzled.
The FOGO has consistently been dominant, but other than that a surprising showing to be honest.
We all know the 2017 Turtles are the best team with the best players. If some of the kids look like they are playing on fumes, I can understand why. Those kids have played a lot of lacrosse this Spring and Summer and the recruiting trail events. Does not make them any less excellent team or group of kids.
Here come the excuses!! Typical. Everyone has been playing a lot of lax this summer, not just them. Stop the whining and admit that there are other players that are as good/better out there! You can't just excel on your travel team and expect that to carry you. If you can't adapt to new situations, that is trouble going forward, as the Turtles will not play together indefinitely. There new motto might read "together we stand, divided we fall"
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I don't think anyone is whining. The only whining I hear sounds like your jealousy. These Turtle players have excelled and will continue to excel. It has carried them all the way to the bank- committing to colleges. Also, it seem like the college coaches who committed these players believe they can adapt to new situations, so no trouble going forward. Stop being a hater!!
So much for the Fellowship of Christian Turtles
Idoit
Idiot, but a funny idiot
I don't think anyone is whining. The only whining I hear sounds like your jealousy. These Turtle players have excelled and will continue to excel. It has carried them all the way to the bank- committing to colleges. Also, it seem like the college coaches who committed these players believe they can adapt to new situations, so no trouble going forward. Stop being a hater!!
Only time will, and it will tell a lot! nobody can blame not starting on their varsity teams next year on being a freshman!
I don't think anyone is whining. The only whining I hear sounds like your jealousy. These Turtle players have excelled and will continue to excel. It has carried them all the way to the bank- committing to colleges. Also, it seem like the college coaches who committed these players believe they can adapt to new situations, so no trouble going forward. Stop being a hater!!
Are they all committed? Sounded like whining
Congratulations to 3 for winning the u15. Major talent on that team!
So, let me get this strait. Turtles did not enter u15 championship this year. They entered last year and were beat down. Many of Turtles players played for FCA this year. FCA was eliminated early while 3D wins second strait year. Sounds like someone was afraid to lose!
The whole idea of National All Star teams playing in events that are advertised as club team evetns destroys both the integrity and interest in these events.
These events reduce themselves to meaningless money grabs when there is no integrity behind the selection process.
There should be a separate national all star bracket and a local club bracket where home towns are verified.
Both 3D and the FCA/Turtle team are at a distinct advantage when drawing from a national pool rather than localized pool. Same thing happens at [lacrosse]'s this is part of the reason these events are so lopsided
I watched several of the FCA games in Denver. I am not sure if they are burnt out or the altitude and heat of Denver has taken the starch out of them, but even the basic fundamentals of passing and catching were not good, and when Colorado turned up the heat they were frazzled.
The FOGO has consistently been dominant, but other than that a surprising showing to be honest.
FCA team was NOT a Turtle team. Not one Turtle goalie not one Turtle Close Defensemen. The two LSM's were Turtles. A few middies, FOGO & two Attack were Turtles. My kid was on the team and we are not from NY but it was great time with the FCA team and getting to watch the boys try to gel. 1 practice when we first met on Sunday.
As far as colleges coaches not being there, two of the FCA Dmen committed D1 while there and playing for FCA in front of coaches.
I watched several of the FCA games in Denver. I am not sure if they are burnt out or the altitude and heat of Denver has taken the starch out of them, but even the basic fundamentals of passing and catching were not good, and when Colorado turned up the heat they were frazzled.
The FOGO has consistently been dominant, but other than that a surprising showing to be honest.
FCA team was NOT a Turtle team. Not one Turtle goalie not one Turtle Close Defensemen. The two LSM's were Turtles. A few middies, FOGO & two Attack were Turtles. My kid was on the team and we are not from NY but it was great time with the FCA team and getting to watch the boys try to gel. 1 practice when we first met on Sunday.
As far as colleges coaches not being there, two of the FCA Dmen committed D1 while there and playing for FCA in front of coaches.
With all that talent, why did you do so bad? National teams don't practice either, so that cant be it.
Has 3D apologized for this fiasco? If so, can somebody copy/paste what they wrote? I'd love to see how they explained away that clusterF.
Complain....but every year your driving to the same poorly run tournament.
I watched several of the FCA games in Denver. I am not sure if they are burnt out or the altitude and heat of Denver has taken the starch out of them, but even the basic fundamentals of passing and catching were not good, and when Colorado turned up the heat they were frazzled.
The FOGO has consistently been dominant, but other than that a surprising showing to be honest.
FCA team was NOT a Turtle team. Not one Turtle goalie not one Turtle Close Defensemen. The two LSM's were Turtles. A few middies, FOGO & two Attack were Turtles. My kid was on the team and we are not from NY but it was great time with the FCA team and getting to watch the boys try to gel. 1 practice when we first met on Sunday.
As far as colleges coaches not being there, two of the FCA Dmen committed D1 while there and playing for FCA in front of coaches.
With all that talent, why did you do so bad? National teams don't practice either, so that cant be it.
lost twice to same team, crushed everyone else. Thats "so bad"?
So, let me get this strait. Turtles did not enter u15 championship this year. They entered last year and were beat down. Many of Turtles players played for FCA this year. FCA was eliminated early while 3D wins second strait year. Sounds like someone was afraid to lose!
So, let me get this strait. Turtles did not enter u15 championship this year. They entered last year and were beat down. Many of Turtles players played for FCA this year. FCA was eliminated early while 3D wins second strait year. Sounds like someone was afraid to lose!
So, let me get this strait. Turtles did not enter u15 championship this year. They entered last year and were beat down. Many of Turtles players played for FCA this year. FCA was eliminated early while 3D wins second strait year. Sounds like someone was afraid to lose!
So, let me get this strait. Turtles did not enter u15 championship this year. They entered last year and were beat down. Many of Turtles players played for FCA this year. FCA was eliminated early while 3D wins second strait year. Sounds like someone was afraid to lose!
So, let me get this strait. Turtles did not enter u15 championship this year. They entered last year and were beat down. Many of Turtles players played for FCA this year. FCA was eliminated early while 3D wins second strait year. Sounds like someone was afraid to lose!
So, let me get this strait. Turtles did not enter u15 championship this year. They entered last year and were beat down. Many of Turtles players played for FCA this year. FCA was eliminated early while 3D wins second strait year. Sounds like someone was afraid to lose!
Afraid to lose???? C'mon man can you be anymore of a
Db. The team had a vote and as a group decided not to attend. Adrenaline champs, crabfeast champs , 12 verbals, what else do you want?
Not a turtle team....2 LSM, a few middies, 3?,
2 attackmen, fogo. Sure sounds like a turtle team to me!!!
8 players. If there were 8 players from one town you would be calling that a town team. Turtles lost their luster.
So, let me get this strait. Turtles did not enter u15 championship this year. They entered last year and were beat down. Many of Turtles players played for FCA this year. FCA was eliminated early while 3D wins second strait year. Sounds like someone was afraid to lose!
So, let me get this strait. Turtles did not enter u15 championship this year. They entered last year and were beat down. Many of Turtles players played for FCA this year. FCA was eliminated early while 3D wins second strait year. Sounds like someone was afraid to lose!
So, let me get this strait. Turtles did not enter u15 championship this year. They entered last year and were beat down. Many of Turtles players played for FCA this year. FCA was eliminated early while 3D wins second strait year. Sounds like someone was afraid to lose!
So, let me get this strait. Turtles did not enter u15 championship this year. They entered last year and were beat down. Many of Turtles players played for FCA this year. FCA was eliminated early while 3D wins second strait year. Sounds like someone was afraid to lose!
So, let me get this strait. Turtles did not enter u15 championship this year. They entered last year and were beat down. Many of Turtles players played for FCA this year. FCA was eliminated early while 3D wins second strait year. Sounds like someone was afraid to lose!
So, let me get this strait. Turtles did not enter u15 championship this year. They entered last year and were beat down. Many of Turtles players played for FCA this year. FCA was eliminated early while 3D wins second strait year. Sounds like someone was afraid to lose!
Afraid to lose???? C'mon man can you be anymore of a
Db. The team had a vote and as a group decided not to attend. Adrenaline champs, crabfeast champs , 12 verbals, what else do you want?
Unfortunately they lost where it counted U15. They blew it last year and now again this year hiding in plain sight on another team. They may have won other tourneys but they never beat 3D.
So, let me get this strait. Turtles did not enter u15 championship this year. They entered last year and were beat down. Many of Turtles players played for FCA this year. FCA was eliminated early while 3D wins second strait year. Sounds like someone was afraid to lose!
So, let me get this strait. Turtles did not enter u15 championship this year. They entered last year and were beat down. Many of Turtles players played for FCA this year. FCA was eliminated early while 3D wins second strait year. Sounds like someone was afraid to lose!
So, let me get this strait. Turtles did not enter u15 championship this year. They entered last year and were beat down. Many of Turtles players played for FCA this year. FCA was eliminated early while 3D wins second strait year. Sounds like someone was afraid to lose!
So, let me get this strait. Turtles did not enter u15 championship this year. They entered last year and were beat down. Many of Turtles players played for FCA this year. FCA was eliminated early while 3D wins second strait year. Sounds like someone was afraid to lose!
So, let me get this strait. Turtles did not enter u15 championship this year. They entered last year and were beat down. Many of Turtles players played for FCA this year. FCA was eliminated early while 3D wins second strait year. Sounds like someone was afraid to lose!
So, let me get this strait. Turtles did not enter u15 championship this year. They entered last year and were beat down. Many of Turtles players played for FCA this year. FCA was eliminated early while 3D wins second strait year. Sounds like someone was afraid to lose!
Afraid to lose???? C'mon man can you be anymore of a
Db. The team had a vote and as a group decided not to attend. Adrenaline champs, crabfeast champs , 12 verbals, what else do you want?
Unfortunately they lost where it counted U15. They blew it last year and now again this year hiding in plain sight on another team. They may have won other tourneys but they never beat 3D.
Man, you funny! Does your wife make you sit when you pee?
Let's move on. Any new commits since the summer showcase season is coming to a close?
So, let me get this strait. Turtles did not enter u15 championship this year. They entered last year and were beat down. Many of Turtles players played for FCA this year. FCA was eliminated early while 3D wins second strait year. Sounds like someone was afraid to lose!
So, let me get this strait. Turtles did not enter u15 championship this year. They entered last year and were beat down. Many of Turtles players played for FCA this year. FCA was eliminated early while 3D wins second strait year. Sounds like someone was afraid to lose!
So, let me get this strait. Turtles did not enter u15 championship this year. They entered last year and were beat down. Many of Turtles players played for FCA this year. FCA was eliminated early while 3D wins second strait year. Sounds like someone was afraid to lose!
So, let me get this strait. Turtles did not enter u15 championship this year. They entered last year and were beat down. Many of Turtles players played for FCA this year. FCA was eliminated early while 3D wins second strait year. Sounds like someone was afraid to lose!
So, let me get this strait. Turtles did not enter u15 championship this year. They entered last year and were beat down. Many of Turtles players played for FCA this year. FCA was eliminated early while 3D wins second strait year. Sounds like someone was afraid to lose!
So, let me get this strait. Turtles did not enter u15 championship this year. They entered last year and were beat down. Many of Turtles players played for FCA this year. FCA was eliminated early while 3D wins second strait year. Sounds like someone was afraid to lose!
Afraid to lose???? C'mon man can you be anymore of a
Db. The team had a vote and as a group decided not to attend. Adrenaline champs, crabfeast champs , 12 verbals, what else do you want?
Unfortunately they lost where it counted U15. They blew it last year and now again this year hiding in plain sight on another team. They may have won other tourneys but they never beat 3D.
Nothing unfortunate anything regarding turtles. Every single game they played in as a turtle team they won. Two of the toughest tournaments in adrenaline & crabfeast, undefeated. As someone posted here, 12 commits D1 so far. Things going "well"
Let's move on. Any new commits since the summer showcase season is coming to a close?
If Ty Xanders's recent tweets have any truth to them, early commits mean less than nothing now. Horror stories out there of kids committing and then rival coaches recruit them more once they have that validation stamp. I have a friend close to Hill in Canada who basically said schedule visits for all your committed kids with us. And this is a school supposedly almost full for 2017s. It now looks like a total free for all. Message from the coaches is they are going to keep recruiting committed kids, and the message taken by the kids and families is to keep listening in case a better deal comes along. How did it get to this point where ethics are out the window on every side of the tables?
I blame the top division 1 coaches for everyones behavior in this early recruiting process!!!
Yes, they did. Parking attendants are supplied directly by Cedar Lane and 3d did not employ them nor were they given a say in how they handled the traffic control and parking. Working on changes for future tournaments held there. That being said, there was an alternative route to come in the back way, which I used and there was not traffic on that route.
So, let me get this strait. Turtles did not enter u15 championship this year. They entered last year and were beat down. Many of Turtles players played for FCA this year. FCA was eliminated early while 3D wins second strait year. Sounds like someone was afraid to lose!
So, let me get this strait. Turtles did not enter u15 championship this year. They entered last year and were beat down. Many of Turtles players played for FCA this year. FCA was eliminated early while 3D wins second strait year. Sounds like someone was afraid to lose!
So, let me get this strait. Turtles did not enter u15 championship this year. They entered last year and were beat down. Many of Turtles players played for FCA this year. FCA was eliminated early while 3D wins second strait year. Sounds like someone was afraid to lose!
So, let me get this strait. Turtles did not enter u15 championship this year. They entered last year and were beat down. Many of Turtles players played for FCA this year. FCA was eliminated early while 3D wins second strait year. Sounds like someone was afraid to lose!
So, let me get this strait. Turtles did not enter u15 championship this year. They entered last year and were beat down. Many of Turtles players played for FCA this year. FCA was eliminated early while 3D wins second strait year. Sounds like someone was afraid to lose!
So, let me get this strait. Turtles did not enter u15 championship this year. They entered last year and were beat down. Many of Turtles players played for FCA this year. FCA was eliminated early while 3D wins second strait year. Sounds like someone was afraid to lose!
Afraid to lose???? C'mon man can you be anymore of a
Db. The team had a vote and as a group decided not to attend. Adrenaline champs, crabfeast champs , 12 verbals, what else do you want?
Unfortunately they lost where it counted U15. They blew it last year and now again this year hiding in plain sight on another team. They may have won other tourneys but they never beat 3D.
Nothing unfortunate anything regarding turtles. Every single game they played in as a turtle team they won. Two of the toughest tournaments in adrenaline & crabfeast, undefeated. As someone posted here, 12 commits D1 so far. Things going "well"
I would say so, but appears that the reason they went to u15 last year was because it would be last year they would be age eligible. In retrospect it seems odd that they would do all this talking through the years when their team, while maybe a "2017" team, really wasn't.
[/quote] I would say so, but appears that the reason they went to u15 last year was because it would be last year they would be age eligible. In retrospect it seems odd that they would do all this talking through the years when their team, while maybe a "2017" team, really wasn't.[/quote]
you're over thinking this! The goal of these teams are to get RECRUITED. The U-15 is just another tournament with a fancy name, if it was a big recruiting event there's no doubt they would've gone, as they ALL qualify. Not to mention a few that will be eligible next year. The travel for this tournament is cost prohibitive for many teams, with little to no recruiting benefit.
Let's move on. Any new commits since the summer showcase season is coming to a close?
If Ty Xanders's recent tweets have any truth to them, early commits mean less than nothing now. Horror stories out there of kids committing and then rival coaches recruit them more once they have that validation stamp. I have a friend close to Hill in Canada who basically said schedule visits for all your committed kids with us. And this is a school supposedly almost full for 2017s. It now looks like a total free for all. Message from the coaches is they are going to keep recruiting committed kids, and the message taken by the kids and families is to keep listening in case a better deal comes along. How did it get to this point where ethics are out the window on every side of the tables?
Like always, Xanders brings nothing to the table. When a verbal happens in any sport before Sr. year it "doesn't mean anything" so that isn't any NEW NEWS for those of us who have been thru this before. BUT, these 2017 players with commitments to these D1 programs it is a massive accompaniment for these players. Kep your grades up, don't get in trouble, keep training and it will be great.
[/quote] I would say so, but appears that the reason they went to u15 last year was because it would be last year they would be age eligible. In retrospect it seems odd that they would do all this talking through the years when their team, while maybe a "2017" team, really wasn't.
you're over thinking this! The goal of these teams are to get RECRUITED. The U-15 is just another tournament with a fancy name, if it was a big recruiting event there's no doubt they would've gone, as they ALL qualify. Not to mention a few that will be eligible next year. The travel for this tournament is cost prohibitive for many teams, with little to no recruiting benefit. [/quote] If that is the case, why did they go last year?
I would say so, but appears that the reason they went to u15 last year was because it would be last year they would be age eligible. In retrospect it seems odd that they would do all this talking through the years when their team, while maybe a "2017" team, really wasn't.
you're over thinking this! The goal of these teams are to get RECRUITED. The U-15 is just another tournament with a fancy name, if it was a big recruiting event there's no doubt they would've gone, as they ALL qualify. Not to mention a few that will be eligible next year. The travel for this tournament is cost prohibitive for many teams, with little to no recruiting benefit. [/quote] If that is the case, why did they go last year? [/quote] Last year was NOT a recruiting year plain and simple.
I would say so, but appears that the reason they went to u15 last year was because it would be last year they would be age eligible. In retrospect it seems odd that they would do all this talking through the years when their team, while maybe a "2017" team, really wasn't.
you're over thinking this! The goal of these teams are to get RECRUITED. The U-15 is just another tournament with a fancy name, if it was a big recruiting event there's no doubt they would've gone, as they ALL qualify. Not to mention a few that will be eligible next year. The travel for this tournament is cost prohibitive for many teams, with little to no recruiting benefit.
If that is the case, why did they go last year? [/quote] Last year was NOT a recruiting year plain and simple. [/quote]
That's a load of crap. U bet your, [lacrosse] it's a recruiting tournament. They all are at this age group. Fact is Turtles or CFT, as they're being called lost again. Face it 3D athletes are better. How many times does it take? How many committed kids do they have, cause if I was a college coach I'd be going after those studs!
I would say so, but appears that the reason they went to u15 last year was because it would be last year they would be age eligible. In retrospect it seems odd that they would do all this talking through the years when their team, while maybe a "2017" team, really wasn't.
you're over thinking this! The goal of these teams are to get RECRUITED. The U-15 is just another tournament with a fancy name, if it was a big recruiting event there's no doubt they would've gone, as they ALL qualify. Not to mention a few that will be eligible next year. The travel for this tournament is cost prohibitive for many teams, with little to no recruiting benefit.
If that is the case, why did they go last year? [/quote] Last year was NOT a recruiting year plain and simple. [/quote] If what you say is true about last year not being a recruiting year doesn't it seem like a small window to have major schools committing to them? After u15 there is little or nothing. The Fall is Philly Showcase and then what you did this past Spring. But didn't some of these players commit before JV/Varsity season was over? Per a previous post, if the time, cost, and distance is an issue, then why did they do it last year, especially if it was NOT a recruiting year?
I would say so, but appears that the reason they went to u15 last year was because it would be last year they would be age eligible. In retrospect it seems odd that they would do all this talking through the years when their team, while maybe a "2017" team, really wasn't.
you're over thinking this! The goal of these teams are to get RECRUITED. The U-15 is just another tournament with a fancy name, if it was a big recruiting event there's no doubt they would've gone, as they ALL qualify. Not to mention a few that will be eligible next year. The travel for this tournament is cost prohibitive for many teams, with little to no recruiting benefit.
If that is the case, why did they go last year?
Last year was NOT a recruiting year plain and simple. [/quote]
That's a load of crap. U bet your, [lacrosse] it's a recruiting tournament. They all are at this age group. Fact is Turtles or CFT, as they're being called lost again. Face it 3D athletes are better. How many times does it take? How many committed kids do they have, cause if I was a college coach I'd be going after those studs! [/quote]
Dummy, FCA never played 3D in Denver. I watched the over time win by 3D over Colorado. 3D won, but Colorado is the better team. 3D was NO WHERE near as strong as their older cheating held back team, 3D had a luck on their side from a pool play & bracket standpoint.
Yes, they did. Parking attendants are supplied directly by Cedar Lane and 3d did not employ them nor were they given a say in how they handled the traffic control and parking. Working on changes for future tournaments held there. That being said, there was an alternative route to come in the back way, which I used and there was not traffic on that route.
3D held a tournament WAY too big for that facility, and they knew it. They should have found a bigger site or scaled back the number of teams. That park cannot handle that much traffic coming in at once.
Hill Academy 2017 to Duke turned 18 in early January?!? Unless a typo.
Hill Academy 2017 to Duke turned 18 in early January?!? Unless a typo.
Turned 18??? Holy smokes! Duke loves to roster the "MEN". Where was the info of the commit?
I was 18 when I graduated high school.
Your telling this young man is 18 going into 10th grade??
Shouldn't be allowed, this must be a typo.
Not a typo.....played U17 box last year. What a joke!!!!!
You LI dads are such idiots. Forget for a second that you are scouring the Internet looking for evidence of cheating.
Has it occurred to you that maybe the kid is playing up in that league? LOL.
Not a typo.....played U17 box last year. What a joke!!!!!
wait until he gets redshirted
You LI dads are such idiots. Forget for a second that you are scouring the Internet looking for evidence of cheating.
Has it occurred to you that maybe the kid is playing up in that league? LOL.
yes it did right up to the point where it said he turned 18.
Easy there cowboy. I saw him play last weekend with Ottowa Capitals 2016s. I thought it was odd and maybe a mistake he was a 2017. I looked at the tournament guide and it said Jan 1996 birthdate. Turning 18 before high school tryouts as a freshman is pretty ridiculous
Easy there cowboy. I saw him play last weekend with Ottowa Capitals 2016s. I thought it was odd and maybe a mistake he was a 2017. I looked at the tournament guide and it said Jan 1996 birthdate. Turning 18 before high school tryouts as a freshman is pretty ridiculous
Jan 1996 DOB should be in College this fall. No?
Playing up???? Are you nuts!!!!! He's 18 as a freshman!!!
What are you talking about. There is no defending an 18 ur old freshmen unless he's a freshmen in college
Easy there cowboy. I saw him play last weekend with Ottowa Capitals 2016s. I thought it was odd and maybe a mistake he was a 2017. I looked at the tournament guide and it said Jan 1996 birthdate. Turning 18 before high school tryouts as a freshman is pretty ridiculous
Jan 1996 DOB should be in College this fall. No?
He is four months older than my son who will be a college freshman lacrosse player this fall..... and 10 months older than me when I entered my freshman year of college. Something has got to change here. Was at a recent ACC camp, 6 of their current recruits for the fall where there, all 19 and older. It's just insanity now.
Easy there cowboy. I saw him play last weekend with Ottowa Capitals 2016s. I thought it was odd and maybe a mistake he was a 2017. I looked at the tournament guide and it said Jan 1996 birthdate. Turning 18 before high school tryouts as a freshman is pretty ridiculous
Jan 1996 DOB should be in College this fall. No?
He is four months older than my son who will be a college freshman lacrosse player this fall..... and 10 months older than me when I entered my freshman year of college. Something has got to change here. Was at a recent ACC camp, 6 of their current recruits for the fall where there, all 19 and older. It's just insanity now.
I agree its out of control. Here on LI they say it isn't happening but thats a lie. And speaking of Duke and held back LI players well many of us know the player committed to Duke. I know many of you are saying at least he isn't held back 2 or 3 times like their latest Attack commit 18 year old, but its the same issue. How does this stop?? Can it ever stop??
There is no rule against repeating 8th grade like a lot of MD kids do. I think it is weak but the strategy works. But this is just mind bending. Duke will get a kid who will turn 23 in first year of college!
HS athletic associations do have maximum ages - this boy should not be allowed to compete in HS competions the year he turns 20
He will spend 2 years not playing lacrosse
Also as an adult would think he has some degree of added liability when competing with children
I feel bad for the 2017 leftie attack players who didn't get this spot. What are they supposed to do to earn a spot, take 9th grade classes over and over to catch up? That's the bad part. Kids who work hard and see this happen.
I can't imagine what kind of HS experience a kid would have, senior girls would not date a freshman, freshman dads won't let their daughters date an 18 year old. By senior year a kid held back that much will be able to by booze, etc., and he will be more emotionally developed than his classmates.
Does this happen in the sports where there is an actual pro-sport outcome with multi-million contracts after college?
I know hockey players wait a few years after HS, play junior league then go to college, that system makes more sense academically and socially, finish HS in the correct year and take some classes at the CC so you can have a lighter course load when you start college.
I can't imagine what kind of HS experience a kid would have, senior girls would not date a freshman, freshman dads won't let their daughters date an 18 year old. By senior year a kid held back that much will be able to by booze, etc., and he will be more emotionally developed than his classmates.
Does this happen in the sports where there is an actual pro-sport outcome with multi-million contracts after college?
I know hockey players wait a few years after HS, play junior league then go to college, that system makes more sense academically and socially, finish HS in the correct year and take some classes at the CC so you can have a lighter course load when you start college.
I wonder if it would occur to top coaches to suggest a different path to kids who are reclassifying or being encouraged to. When you reclassify in 8th or 9th grade it almost always means a transfer into a private HS. That's an extra tuition bill year or many. Why wouldn't NCAA coaches say I will give you a four year scholarship, but I want you on campus to do a red shirt year at your parent's expense. The kid would get a lot more out of it socially, lacrosse and get ahead a bit on academics to make the load less over five years. The really good lacrosse players aren't really being pushed as well to spend that last year in HS as a 19 year old or older.
I can't imagine what kind of HS experience a kid would have, senior girls would not date a freshman, freshman dads won't let their daughters date an 18 year old. By senior year a kid held back that much will be able to by booze, etc., and he will be more emotionally developed than his classmates.
Does this happen in the sports where there is an actual pro-sport outcome with multi-million contracts after college?
Take a look at Jameis Winston.
buy..as in 'to purchase'...is spelled "b u y"
I can't imagine what kind of HS experience a kid would have, senior girls would not date a freshman, freshman dads won't let their daughters date an 18 year old. By senior year a kid held back that much will be able to by booze, etc., and he will be more emotionally developed than his classmates.
Does this happen in the sports where there is an actual pro-sport outcome with multi-million contracts after college?
Take a look at Jameis Winston.
According to Wikipedia he was 18 when he entered college, is that correct? What is the connection I am missing?
I can't imagine what kind of HS experience a kid would have, senior girls would not date a freshman, freshman dads won't let their daughters date an 18 year old. By senior year a kid held back that much will be able to by booze, etc., and he will be more emotionally developed than his classmates.
Does this happen in the sports where there is an actual pro-sport outcome with multi-million contracts after college?
Take a look at Jameis Winston.
Not exactly the best example of being "emotionally developed" multiple arrests and investigated for a rape before the age of 19.
Everyone had better start thinking D3, my kid included. The number of hold backs and legit freak athletes involved in this sport now is off the meters.
The number of kids who would have been D1 football prospects just 10 years ago from places like Florida, Texas and Cali are turning up in Lax now. Think Jadaveon Clowney in the midfield.... JJ Watt with a long pole, or Johnny Mansiel as an attack. With those kind of athletes out there it will be pretty tough for a LI kid with great stick skills to break through. Hate to break it to you all, but that's where all this is going.
I can't imagine what kind of HS experience a kid would have, senior girls would not date a freshman, freshman dads won't let their daughters date an 18 year old. By senior year a kid held back that much will be able to by booze, etc., and he will be more emotionally developed than his classmates.
Does this happen in the sports where there is an actual pro-sport outcome with multi-million contracts after college?
Take a look at Jameis Winston.
According to Wikipedia he was 18 when he entered college, is that correct? What is the connection I am missing?
Apparently correct. I retract. We return to regularly scheduled programming.
Everyone had better start thinking D3, my kid included. The number of hold backs and legit freak athletes involved in this sport now is off the meters.
The number of kids who would have been D1 football prospects just 10 years ago from places like Florida, Texas and Cali are turning up in Lax now. Think Jadaveon Clowney in the midfield.... JJ Watt with a long pole, or Johnny Mansiel as an attack. With those kind of athletes out there it will be pretty tough for a LI kid with great stick skills to break through. Hate to break it to you all, but that's where all this is going.
I dont know about that....I just watched a bunch of committed D1 true 2017's from LI have no problem in Denver. And I watched the LI committed D1 kids from LI that are on age beat older Crabs, Patriot & West Coast Stars a few weeks ago.
Stephen Keogh cuse attackmen, born 2/87 freshman year at cuse 08 was 21yrs old. Not a new trend.
Everyone had better start thinking D3, my kid included. The number of hold backs and legit freak athletes involved in this sport now is off the meters.
The number of kids who would have been D1 football prospects just 10 years ago from places like Florida, Texas and Cali are turning up in Lax now. Think Jadaveon Clowney in the midfield.... JJ Watt with a long pole, or Johnny Mansiel as an attack. With those kind of athletes out there it will be pretty tough for a LI kid with great stick skills to break through. Hate to break it to you all, but that's where all this is going.
I dont know about that....I just watched a bunch of committed D1 true 2017's from LI have no problem in Denver. And I watched the LI committed D1 kids from LI that are on age beat older Crabs, Patriot & West Coast Stars a few weeks ago.
His general point is correct. You won't be seeing a lot of 5'7 rich white prep school kids saturating D1 rosters in a few years. The trend is not your friend. Kids can learn stick skills, they can't change their genetics.
Everyone had better start thinking D3, my kid included. The number of hold backs and legit freak athletes involved in this sport now is off the meters.
The number of kids who would have been D1 football prospects just 10 years ago from places like Florida, Texas and Cali are turning up in Lax now. Think Jadaveon Clowney in the midfield.... JJ Watt with a long pole, or Johnny Mansiel as an attack. With those kind of athletes out there it will be pretty tough for a LI kid with great stick skills to break through. Hate to break it to you all, but that's where all this is going.
I dont know about that....I just watched a bunch of committed D1 true 2017's from LI have no problem in Denver. And I watched the LI committed D1 kids from LI that are on age beat older Crabs, Patriot & West Coast Stars a few weeks ago.
I hope you're not talking about the shelled ones. They didn't do much in Denver!
Everyone had better start thinking D3, my kid included. The number of hold backs and legit freak athletes involved in this sport now is off the meters.
The number of kids who would have been D1 football prospects just 10 years ago from places like Florida, Texas and Cali are turning up in Lax now. Think Jadaveon Clowney in the midfield.... JJ Watt with a long pole, or Johnny Mansiel as an attack. With those kind of athletes out there it will be pretty tough for a LI kid with great stick skills to break through. Hate to break it to you all, but that's where all this is going.
I dont know about that....I just watched a bunch of committed D1 true 2017's from LI have no problem in Denver. And I watched the LI committed D1 kids from LI that are on age beat older Crabs, Patriot & West Coast Stars a few weeks ago.
I hope you're not talking about the shelled ones. They didn't do much in Denver!
I am talking about the shelled ones, damm right. And they did more than "much". What team your kid on and where is he committed?
Everyone had better start thinking D3, my kid included. The number of hold backs and legit freak athletes involved in this sport now is off the meters.
The number of kids who would have been D1 football prospects just 10 years ago from places like Florida, Texas and Cali are turning up in Lax now. Think Jadaveon Clowney in the midfield.... JJ Watt with a long pole, or Johnny Mansiel as an attack. With those kind of athletes out there it will be pretty tough for a LI kid with great stick skills to break through. Hate to break it to you all, but that's where all this is going.
I dont know about that....I just watched a bunch of committed D1 true 2017's from LI have no problem in Denver. And I watched the LI committed D1 kids from LI that are on age beat older Crabs, Patriot & West Coast Stars a few weeks ago.
I hope you're not talking about the shelled ones. They didn't do much in Denver!
I am talking about the shelled ones, damm right. And they did more than "much". What team your kid on and where is he committed?
If you would be so kind and address previous unanswered posts - why did they not go as team, others have submitted that they were age ineligible, is this the case or not? this is a yes or no question. Don't convolute with travel distance and costs as some have already, committed or not committed. Remember, "shock the world"?
Everyone had better start thinking D3, my kid included. The number of hold backs and legit freak athletes involved in this sport now is off the meters.
The number of kids who would have been D1 football prospects just 10 years ago from places like Florida, Texas and Cali are turning up in Lax now. Think Jadaveon Clowney in the midfield.... JJ Watt with a long pole, or Johnny Mansiel as an attack. With those kind of athletes out there it will be pretty tough for a LI kid with great stick skills to break through. Hate to break it to you all, but that's where all this is going.
I dont know about that....I just watched a bunch of committed D1 true 2017's from LI have no problem in Denver. And I watched the LI committed D1 kids from LI that are on age beat older Crabs, Patriot & West Coast Stars a few weeks ago.
I hope you're not talking about the shelled ones. They didn't do much in Denver!
I am talking about the shelled ones, damm right. And they did more than "much". What team your kid on and where is he committed?
If you would be so kind and address previous unanswered posts - why did they not go as team, others have submitted that they were age ineligible, is this the case or not? this is a yes or no question. Don't convolute with travel distance and costs as some have already, committed or not committed. Remember, "shock the world"?
Like I said. They did nothing. Could not produce when needed. Just the facts. Sorry if you can't handle it!
Everyone had better start thinking D3, my kid included. The number of hold backs and legit freak athletes involved in this sport now is off the meters.
The number of kids who would have been D1 football prospects just 10 years ago from places like Florida, Texas and Cali are turning up in Lax now. Think Jadaveon Clowney in the midfield.... JJ Watt with a long pole, or Johnny Mansiel as an attack. With those kind of athletes out there it will be pretty tough for a LI kid with great stick skills to break through. Hate to break it to you all, but that's where all this is going.
I dont know about that....I just watched a bunch of committed D1 true 2017's from LI have no problem in Denver. And I watched the LI committed D1 kids from LI that are on age beat older Crabs, Patriot & West Coast Stars a few weeks ago.
Didn't say our kids won't earn spots, they will. The trend however, is not in the LI kids favor.
Everyone had better start thinking D3, my kid included. The number of hold backs and legit freak athletes involved in this sport now is off the meters.
The number of kids who would have been D1 football prospects just 10 years ago from places like Florida, Texas and Cali are turning up in Lax now. Think Jadaveon Clowney in the midfield.... JJ Watt with a long pole, or Johnny Mansiel as an attack. With those kind of athletes out there it will be pretty tough for a LI kid with great stick skills to break through. Hate to break it to you all, but that's where all this is going.
I dont know about that....I just watched a bunch of committed D1 true 2017's from LI have no problem in Denver. And I watched the LI committed D1 kids from LI that are on age beat older Crabs, Patriot & West Coast Stars a few weeks ago.
Didn't say our kids won't earn spots, they will. The trend however, is not in the LI kids favor.
Completely agree. The game is beginning to attract elite athletes who otherwise might have played football, primarily. It seems that the concussion focus in football and the constant "grow the game" message by US Lacrosse is changing the dynamic. Duke is the prime example and indeed, the trend is irreversible. If you want to be a D1 middie in 5 years you better work on a 4.4 40.
Everyone had better start thinking D3, my kid included. The number of hold backs and legit freak athletes involved in this sport now is off the meters.
The number of kids who would have been D1 football prospects just 10 years ago from places like Florida, Texas and Cali are turning up in Lax now. Think Jadaveon Clowney in the midfield.... JJ Watt with a long pole, or Johnny Mansiel as an attack. With those kind of athletes out there it will be pretty tough for a LI kid with great stick skills to break through. Hate to break it to you all, but that's where all this is going.
I dont know about that....I just watched a bunch of committed D1 true 2017's from LI have no problem in Denver. And I watched the LI committed D1 kids from LI that are on age beat older Crabs, Patriot & West Coast Stars a few weeks ago.
I hope you're not talking about the shelled ones. They didn't do much in Denver!
I am talking about the shelled ones, damm right. And they did more than "much". What team your kid on and where is he committed?
I was at a few of the games and again don't know if it was end of summer burnout, not really wanting to be there, the altitude, or what, but the FCA team other than the FOGO did not look like a team loaded with DI commits.
I'm not affiliated with the team, but when we played them several of the parents were telling us that the team had something like 15 commits on it? I don't know if that was true or not as our team only had 2 (both poles) so I was surprised when we beat them twice.
Please correct me if I am wrong about the number of commits on that team, but again was told by parents of kids on that team.